The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 25 ｜ Rabbi Daniel Lapin

00:00:00.000 what is anti-semitism what is anti-semitism yeah all right before i answer that

00:00:22.280 let me ask you what is racism racism is the belief that one race is inferior or superior

00:00:35.380 than another or all others so racism then is only a thought crime

00:00:43.400 uh yes it's it's a belief yes then i would say that um that i agree with you and that would be

00:00:53.960 anti-semitism as well that it is the belief that jews are inferior vandalizing synagogues is

00:01:03.220 just as illegal as van design vandalizing a commercial office space

00:01:08.420 um assaulting jews is just as as criminal as assaulting people of chinese heritage

00:01:16.300 but but where does where does it come from it rears its ugly head in the same way every single time

00:01:28.200 it's you have times of crisis i would say times of marxism and anti-semitism rises up

00:01:37.880 yes why um it it rises up because the um the the ultimate uh titanic cultural struggle

00:01:50.660 um in the world today is exactly the same as it was in russia in the beginning of the 20th century

00:01:58.960 or in france at the end of the 18th century or all the way back to to the nine verses

00:02:07.860 in chapter 11 of genesis the tower of babel um it's always a struggle between uh and loosely

00:02:17.380 paraphrased it's a struggle between um a divine uh godly vision for human society and a a human

00:02:28.000 structured vision for society and um and the jews have always been recognized uh by by great leaders

00:02:41.660 like winston churchill and uh and philosophers and scholars and they've also been recognized by uh anti-semitic

00:02:52.220 tyrants um as the official uh architects of that divine order of human uh social organization

00:03:03.520 so people who because there would be uh well let me ask you this way i can only really understand

00:03:15.100 the anti-semitism i mean there is racism in all races and it doesn't matter it's not white and black

00:03:22.700 it's it's all races all around the world there's you go someplace and you know black guys against the

00:03:29.180 white guy you go other places it's the you know red against the yellow whatever racism is the same but

00:03:35.340 anti-semitism kind of stands alone sure i can understand it if i believe in good versus evil

00:03:43.520 that's right but if i if i don't believe in good versus evil if i don't believe that there is

00:03:49.120 a a force for good and a force for bad that is that is playing a bigger game then anti-semitism is

00:03:56.180 utterly irrational makes no sense yeah that's right yeah now that doesn't mean that every time

00:04:03.200 violence against jews explodes it's always informed by some deep philosophical antipathy towards

00:04:12.320 civilized human living um it isn't it it spreads once once a fire is ignited there's no controlling it

00:04:20.280 and so people will find many different kinds of excuses i mean the fact is that um it is more fun

00:04:29.580 to light fires and break shop windows i mean that's just more fun than writing a book or staying up at

00:04:37.340 night uh tending a sick child or uh or trying to to to build a society so they're always going to be

00:04:45.800 people who are uh attracted towards riots breaking things um it is it's it's astounding to me

00:04:57.540 how many people say if you speak out against george soros you're an anti-semite i mean we're good

00:05:05.880 friends i have lots of jewish friends i don't hate them because they're jewish and i don't hate george

00:05:13.160 soros i actually feel really sorry for him i think he's a sad disgruntled man uh that is really lost in

00:05:19.380 his life and i despise the things that he does with his money but uh that doesn't make me an anti-semite

00:05:27.180 well if it did it would also make me a one uh i you know i find the things that he stands for to be

00:05:34.900 uh reprehensible and destructive so yes but it has nothing to do with the fact that he uh he may be a

00:05:42.660 uncircumcised american of jewish ancestry uh i i think something that people don't always uh fully

00:05:51.400 grasp um is that uh to speak of of the jewish community is meaningless because if we were to

00:06:03.900 gather together all approximately four million americans who are self-identified as jews and by

00:06:14.120 the way i'm not sure whether george soros would include himself in that i don't know but if one

00:06:19.140 did gather together four million american jews into one large place and began a symposium to analyze what

00:06:27.280 sort of things they all agreed on the only thing they'd all agree on is that hitler was a very bad man

00:06:33.260 right and there is no such thing as the american jewish community there literally is nothing else

00:06:39.700 they would all agree on or we would all agree on and the old joke is you put two rabbis in a room you

00:06:45.400 have three opinions that's right and and one of the stories i told in one of my books is the uh

00:06:50.980 the uh the the lone shipwrecked jewish sailor who was finally rescued and the coast guard arrived and

00:06:58.200 they were really quite astonished at what he'd built for himself on his remote island

00:07:01.980 and and he showed them around and this is where he planted his crops and this is where he made his

00:07:07.220 house and then they see two other structures and he what are those yeah well those are both synagogues

00:07:13.380 two synagogues he says yes so what do you need two synagogues he said well it's obvious that's the

00:07:19.580 one i worship at and that's the one i wouldn't be seen dead as so yeah the point is that um something

00:07:30.980 that i think that that many of my christian friends uh are surprised to hear is that just because

00:07:38.640 somebody is jewish doesn't mean that his worldview is shaped by jewish values just because someone is a

00:07:45.640 christian that's such a ridiculous statement if you're a christian that doesn't mean you share the

00:07:51.640 same views i mean i know that i don't understand i thought it did i thought that once people had

00:07:56.420 accepted jesus christ as their lord and savior right then they're fixed well no not fixed necessarily but

00:08:03.380 certainly let me put it this way i think it would be bizarre and very unusual to find somebody who says

00:08:12.180 i'm a christian atheist because yeah okay you're not born a christian you you accept christianity as

00:08:19.520 i understand i think there's a lot of christians that were raised christian and don't necessarily

00:08:25.900 separate themselves from christian uh you know the christian uh title but they're not really living it

00:08:32.140 or even know it yeah yeah probably but but certainly uh because there is this um somewhat confused

00:08:41.900 perspective on what makes a jew uh you you will find many people who will proudly proclaim themselves

00:08:49.900 to be jewish and proud of it and at the same time um you know do not believe in god regard the bible

00:08:57.220 as a collection of anachronistic myths and um and and they would claim to be you know just as jewish as

00:09:04.820 the next guy so it's a it's a little hard to to grasp because what does make a jew then what does

00:09:11.600 what makes a jew is a covenant with god and uh acceptance of of the torah as god's message to

00:09:19.020 mankind is that a universally accepted view of what makes a jew glenn glenn glenn you didn't ask

00:09:26.980 okay no all right we're here for the truth okay okay all right okay good good um let me go back to

00:09:36.220 george soros one one thing one thing that um people have said um uh about me with george soros and it

00:09:45.740 really bothers me deeply because this is not what i said and it's not what i believe but he had when he

00:09:52.980 was a child he was in um wherever he was um and the nazis were rounding people up and he went to

00:10:00.380 live with a christian and the story is as he tells it that um he was working with somebody uh you know

00:10:08.800 in the family that were i don't remember selling the homes of jews or something but i don't blame him

00:10:15.620 for that i don't know what i would have done i don't know what you would have done in that situation as a

00:10:20.420 kid and i don't condemn him for anything that happened and i don't think he did anything bad

00:10:26.960 in the war um however when you are 70 i think he was when he gave this interview and he said he never

00:10:36.800 went back and reflected on that time and never examined it and never had a problem with it

00:10:44.760 does that sound healthy to you you know i don't know the man at all and i i i've spent uh

00:10:53.300 let's say i've just been too busy living my life to delve into george soros so i haven't really uh

00:10:59.060 found out very much or discovered very much about him every now and then i come across organizations

00:11:04.220 that are heavily funded by him which for the most part from my perspective are organizations promoting

00:11:09.960 um a thoroughly destructive agenda yeah uh so i don't really know much about anything that

00:11:16.460 happened within his life so um the destructive agenda let's let's move to this much of the american

00:11:29.020 left they say that they are for the little guy uh they say they are for the oppressed um i mean

00:11:39.760 i don't think you could make a case that there is a more oppressed people than the jewish people

00:11:43.740 yet um you mean that uh we should have um more jews on the supreme court and and you feel no no no that

00:11:54.360 that perhaps three out of six ivy league university presidents being jewish doesn't really represent

00:12:00.580 our four percent of the population and maybe you know 30 uh jewish congressmen

00:12:07.600 you know perhaps we when we finally eliminate the scourge of american anti-seminism we'll be able to

00:12:14.420 take our true place right 150 jewish congressmen no but i'm saying that um they say therefore the people

00:12:24.300 who have been historically oppressed jewish people without a doubt have been historically

00:12:29.420 um targeted uh and oppressed um in in many cases however they don't stand with israel they don't stand

00:12:40.180 with the small little country correct in fact they stand with the real power in the middle east

00:12:45.900 which is radicalized islam and islamists wildly dangerous stands against everything they stay

00:12:54.420 they stand for you're for the oppressed what's happening here i think the people of gaza are

00:12:59.380 oppressed not by israel but by by the the hamas and hezbollah and and all of the uh people who have

00:13:07.460 been running that and convincing their people what is the connection how does someone say i am for

00:13:15.320 the oppressed i am for the rights of women oh and by the way um we're holding these people up who

00:13:23.500 believe in sharia law um the answer is i mean i know you're asking it rhetorically because i know

00:13:29.480 you've read saul alinsky's rules for radicals and he lays it out very clearly there i mean basically he

00:13:35.320 lists the lies you have to tell to persuade people to uh build up grievances until they're willing to act

00:13:42.020 in the streets i mean that's the job of an of a community organizer now who was that name of that

00:13:46.720 most famous community organizer who oh yes yes yes right but that's exactly what it's all about so um

00:13:54.240 uh what do they have in common how did they possibly come together and how do

00:13:59.840 do they look at each other and say okay we need you now and we'll eliminate you when once we get the

00:14:07.600 power i mean i don't understand that i could see that coming from islamists but how does the american

00:14:13.920 left even begin to get there against religion they're against controlling religion they're

00:14:22.100 they're primarily against a society that is built on um the western tradition because the western

00:14:30.840 tradition is based on the bible now you don't have to explore the architecture and art of of europe to

00:14:39.660 know the validity of of that statement uh it it is a simple reality uh the entire face of the

00:14:48.320 geopolitical face of europe was shaped by christianity in its two forms of protestantism and catholicism

00:14:55.880 um you know part of the reason that in the 17th century sweden invaded poland i mean why does sweden

00:15:04.760 have to invade poland you know if if you're going to want to expand your influence and uh and and gain

00:15:13.080 wealth and and you're sweden with one of the most powerful armies uh ever in the 17th century

00:15:18.440 um there are places you can invade right but what is it with poland well it was essentially a

00:15:25.460 religiously driven conflict sweden was one of the early fully protestant countries um poland was

00:15:34.680 proudly and and devoutly catholic and it was a religious war so many of the other wars were

00:15:40.980 in other words the point is that uh it's it's hard to escape the conclusion that um it's it's at its

00:15:49.780 root it's biblical certain biblical principles that shaped the society that we call western society

00:15:58.320 whether we find it in canada or australia or uh on the streets of today on the streets of hungary or

00:16:05.720 london or anywhere else um it's very very foundationally biblical that's what it is and

00:16:12.060 that's partially what lies at the heart of um the the seductive allure of socialism

00:16:18.580 is to get rid of that shatter western civilization it always has been and uh and you know we we chatted

00:16:27.960 a little earlier about the uh the bizarre alliance between aggressive islam and uh liberalism well

00:16:36.000 liberalism it's just a term we use it's not a term that lord acton would would recognize at all you

00:16:43.740 can think of it as liberalism or socialism or secular fundamentalism as i prefer to term it but but in all

00:16:50.820 these instances that's really what it's uh what it's all about it is trying to destroy um christian

00:16:59.280 based society and what islam and secular fundamentalism share is a you know and again

00:17:07.760 islam like any belief system has a very long memory and so september the 11th 1683 uh was echoed

00:17:17.940 in september the 11th 2001 it was an echo uh it was once again a a strike against the west what

00:17:28.020 happened the first september 11th uh what happened then was that um uh the the muslims were determined

00:17:35.240 to basically march all the way through europe they had tried marching through europe from the west

00:17:42.340 in the 8th century from spain that was finally uh stopped um by uh charles martel and um 732 and then

00:17:53.680 uh 1683 they are now at the gates of vienna uh as soon as they overrun vienna the rest of europe is

00:18:01.840 wide open and um and it's it's a war it's it's it literally is intended to wipe christianity off the

00:18:13.160 map of europe that's i mean you can read the contemporary ottoman writings of the time that's what

00:18:18.920 they're trying to do and uh the pope and christian leaders all around europe recognize this and they

00:18:25.700 beg and cajole and and persuade uh knights to um get on their horses and ride to vienna to try and save

00:18:35.120 things and sure enough it was september the 11th when uh king um sobieski of uh of poland was the first

00:18:43.000 to arrive with with sufficient force uh to drive off the ottomans and that was the the beginning of

00:18:49.520 the saving of of the west from from that particular and so that was the the last attempt that islam made

00:18:57.180 to wipe out the west but the the memory the institutional memory of of islam it doesn't go

00:19:04.040 away just because they you know they run some fine international airlines right the um thomas jefferson

00:19:12.040 uh it was very clear on this you know when we went and fought our first foreign war on the shores of

00:19:19.580 tripoli and he said that you have to understand what these people believe because they will not go away

00:19:27.000 they will they will come back and that's so important i mean think for a moment uh on this question of

00:19:33.500 what is really more important in terms of shaping behavior not only of you and me but also of the

00:19:41.180 societies in in which we live is it facts or is it beliefs and i think sort of reducing it to its

00:19:49.360 most elemental um if uh you know if you're traveling arguments sake you you're traveling uh with with a

00:19:58.820 load of diamonds and your ship gets wrecked and somehow or another everybody on board knew that you

00:20:07.340 you're a jeweler and you're traveling with a priceless package of diamonds in your in your money belt

00:20:13.160 the ship gets wrecked and you drag yourself up onto the beach of a lonely desert island

00:20:20.660 and you look around there's not a soul to be seen and you you're just thanking the lord for your

00:20:26.480 miraculous deliverance when you notice somebody else dragging himself up the beach and now there's two of

00:20:32.440 you are you going to be able to go to sleep that night because you need to know whether this guy's

00:20:44.500 view is that um if he acts while you're asleep when the coast guard arrives for the rescue they will find

00:20:52.300 not two survivors but one survivor and so at this point it really doesn't matter whether this man knows

00:21:00.920 differential calculus and and and the history of the early settlement of australia what really matters

00:21:07.240 is not what he knows it's what he believes and if this man has beliefs that are informed

00:21:15.660 unequivocally by the ten commandments then you can go to sleep that night and if you don't know that

00:21:23.380 then you dare not go to sleep at any point at all and it's this is true for everything else as well

00:21:31.280 uh beliefs are what shape the the the the the development of civilization the shape of society

00:21:39.040 uh the the news in tomorrow's headlines is going to be the result of uh of a set of beliefs not a set

00:21:46.240 of facts or knowledge so what do we what's concerning to me is the the facts are all being

00:21:56.180 lost we're just seemingly the left is just making things up as they go along and we're just giving

00:22:02.320 it a whirl um gender everything it's just all everything is up for craps now again you know wonder

00:22:09.380 why think about this why would it be talking of gender why would it be that if a a young girl has a

00:22:16.980 a serious eating disorder and she's wasting away and it's because she thinks that she's fat

00:22:24.320 what do we do we immediately bring in psychiatric help we try and help her adjust her perception of

00:22:34.720 herself dysmorphia in a sense right but if that same girl thinks she's a boy we're cool with that

00:22:42.860 everything's fine i i would suggest that the reason for that is because there is a monumental volume that

00:22:50.080 has shaped the history of the world and in that volume it says male and female he created them

00:22:57.600 and the response of the the left to that is anything in that book has to go whatever that book says

00:23:07.640 we go the other way

00:23:27.600 it's difficult to talk to you because i i agree with so much although i don't think that there

00:23:34.740 i don't think we're headed that direction i don't think the world is is headed in the direction of that

00:23:42.800 book um we are we are throwing everything out and the two things at the very at the very bottom of it

00:23:51.760 all and this is so concerning that there's an archetype there is there's jesus christ and there's moses

00:24:02.020 the lawgiver and the and the love thy neighbor lawgiver those two archetypes are being thrown out

00:24:12.080 and so we are not we're striving for something but we're not saying that's what we think a good man is

00:24:20.640 that's what we think a good leader is we we're just erasing these how do you survive in that

00:24:30.580 well in the short term of course you can survive when that man is called marks as much as you can

00:24:37.260 when he's jesus in the short term um the the seductive allure of socialism um considerably exceeds

00:24:46.940 that of judeo-christian faith apart from anything else um and and here's a question by the way i have

00:24:53.820 great fun asking people this i mean uh on on an airplane uh yesterday somebody sitting next to me

00:25:00.820 i mean i ask people this all the time and i love asking it of young people which is um where about in

00:25:07.360 the bible is it exactly i don't which book was it do you remember where does it say and thou shalt

00:25:13.200 follow thy heart faithfully at all times it is so unusual for me to find somebody who responds and

00:25:22.580 says you know lapin you're an idiot it's not there right there's no such thing in the bible

00:25:27.160 everybody's sure that it exists in the bible well it is so appealing what would you rather do

00:25:33.620 follow your heart or have some guy come along and tell you glenn that's not allowed what you want

00:25:39.340 to do isn't permitted it's immoral you're not allowed to do that there's no question which most

00:25:44.840 people would elect if they had the choice and so the uh the the the the problem that we see playing

00:25:53.220 out and to which you're alluding um is that uh young people are being raised with um with so little

00:26:01.500 information about that book this is possibly the first generation of english-speaking people in all of

00:26:09.220 history we've been speaking english for about 800 years roughly this is the first generation

00:26:15.540 of english-speaking people who do not know if leviticus is the name of a book or a man's after

00:26:24.100 shave lotion they literally don't know so in the face of that ignorance there is no question that the

00:26:33.980 default the default the default is socialism this is this is what makes it so difficult um if if i'm not

00:26:42.820 because it feels it feels good and it's natural look um if uh if i could be persuaded that human beings

00:26:55.460 are just another form of animal which in itself is a seductive you know at the national zoo in washington

00:27:03.720 dc in the primate enclosure they actually have that sequence of silhouette drawings i'm sure you've

00:27:10.060 seen uh with the uh the baboon crouching on all fours and the next picture has him up on twos and

00:27:16.700 seven or eight pictures later finally he looks like a man that narrative is so fundamental to the left and

00:27:24.020 so very appealing uh and and you don't look for for your children and my children it's hard for them to

00:27:31.740 go to school and and have to stand up for an opposing viewpoint because it's so simple and

00:27:41.280 straightforward and so natural that is the default that we are nothing but sophisticated animals once

00:27:48.280 you tell me that and if if i'm persuaded of that then yes um redistribution of wealth absolutely follows

00:27:55.940 inevitably in the same way that if i were a farmer and i noticed that one big cow had been taking away

00:28:02.940 hay and feed from all the other cows i'd go in every dime and redistribute the grass and the hay to make

00:28:10.080 sure all the cows get the same amount how is the it's the decent natural normal thing for anybody to do

00:28:17.220 but at the same time socialism is the furthest from natural because it it discounts it discounts

00:28:25.320 the human uh desire to succeed and to grow and to uh reach for things it it suppresses all of that it

00:28:36.860 makes it makes everything gray in life which is not a human a natural human experience is it

00:28:44.020 no i think you're exactly right and and they would probably say that uh uh you know that it's it's

00:28:51.100 been only imperfectly applied oh no it's never it's never been kind of applied correctly right and you

00:29:00.140 look at it you know when when did when did when did a biblical model get perfectly applied you know

00:29:06.420 when would you you know when would you like to go back to so essentially we're looking at two belief

00:29:12.220 systems neither of them can be proven in a laboratory neither of them can be proved with

00:29:18.200 historic reference and in both cases uh we're we're saying to people look here is a belief system

00:29:25.560 that leads human beings upwards to nobility and aspiration and peace and tranquility and prosperity

00:29:32.280 and here's another one that reduces human beings so we can't we can't you know prove each of the

00:29:39.700 theories they are both religious big bang and and you know creation um but we can see the results

00:29:48.580 of the societies that strive to achieve that the societies that have really taken on uh socialism

00:29:57.340 uh it doesn't it it ends horribly every time um the western judeo-christian values sometimes it

00:30:06.000 doesn't work out but most times and we can look it is because it's not a coincidence that once the

00:30:14.460 enlightenment happens in america is is given birth to that all of a sudden man just takes a 5 000 year

00:30:22.080 leap that's not a coincidence is it no it isn't but um but i think most of us uh are are looking at

00:30:33.560 today not last century not next century we're most of us looking at our interests today and today

00:30:41.700 i see homeless people out there and i think to myself that is terrible and i'm it is 20 it is 20

00:30:49.900 of the population of the globe without the united states is homeless 20 in america it is 0.1 percent

00:30:59.860 that should tell you something about it yes we have homeless but we have the best uh we have the

00:31:06.540 least homeless problem in the world right no question about it but um it's much more fun

00:31:16.580 to light fires and break windows and here we've got homeless people whose fault has got to be

00:31:22.820 somebody's fault and we know it's immoral to blame the victim right because the victim is never

00:31:29.000 complicit in his own misfortune which is absolutely untrue it's complete nonsense but um

00:31:36.020 i mean there are those who are innocent you know there are those who can't make it always always but

00:31:41.540 there is also a lot i mean i am responsible for almost every pain in my life because i misviewed it

00:31:48.220 yes misinterpreted it used it as an axe and of course that's true for each and every one of us

00:31:53.600 the the person who's caused you more harm in in your life has his picture on your driving license

00:31:58.980 that's right yeah no question about it but i mean i i think the uh the the the thing we're grappling

00:32:07.660 with is um as i see it is the uh the the seduction of a socialistic viewpoint um how thoroughly appealing

00:32:17.680 it is to say that um uh some antiquated old system shouldn't regulate my life it's my life i should

00:32:26.900 be able to do exactly as i please with my life that's a hard thing to argue against and that um men and

00:32:34.560 women should be exactly the same well yeah hard to argue with that uh and and part of it is also

00:32:41.460 the fact that a a socialistic vision can be depicted in very quick sound bites

00:32:47.520 and and here we are discussing you know over a period of time considerably longer than a sound

00:32:54.820 bite and at the end of it um i i would have been grateful for the conversation but we're unlikely to

00:33:02.400 have come up with a list of you know here are six sound bites everyone has to know about and then

00:33:07.380 they'll start thinking correctly you know you just said um you just said that you know men and women

00:33:15.120 uh it's it's it's it's hard not to think that men and women are alike and i think that is true on one

00:33:24.420 level we are we're both humans we both have certain inalienable rights but there are also gifts that each

00:33:32.080 of us get and i i want to go i i listen to one of your podcasts i love your podcasts thank you very

00:33:37.160 much i love doing it um and uh i listen to one of your podcasts and you were talking about fashion

00:33:42.200 yes and you were talking about because once you started talking about this i thought of

00:33:47.920 the outfits that are the communist workers outfit they're dressed exactly the same drab coveralls

00:33:56.400 right they're in coveralls and you specifically talked about that yes will you talk about that for

00:34:01.520 saying yeah absolutely um and again the the podcast which to which i um i'm grateful for you

00:34:09.380 because if it were not for you i i would never have i never would have even occurred to me to do a

00:34:14.520 podcast and um and and the truth is that uh through my podcast um here on the blaze um my reach

00:34:25.040 is way beyond anything even when i've been on very large radio stations so no it's been great um so

00:34:33.260 yeah look um what's so great about the podcast is that it's uh it's longer form uh when you're when

00:34:44.580 you're on television uh five seconds yeah i know is is long and moves quickly uh on a podcast

00:34:51.420 there there's an implicit understanding between me and the listener that uh we are going to accept

00:35:00.600 that structuring an argument and making a case is going to take a few minutes yeah which you know

00:35:07.620 which is wonderful and um and fundamental to to this whole this whole discussion is the question of

00:35:15.860 whether you believe that human beings are nine dollars worth of common chemicals or we are a

00:35:24.100 unique creature touched by the finger of god those are two incompatible views do you believe that

00:35:30.960 intelligent design for instance i don't i have no idea nowhere is anybody can convince me at least at

00:35:40.000 this point that they have any idea of how god creates so i'm not going to get into the creation

00:35:46.000 thing uh i don't know i have no no idea whatsoever how he does it is there the possibility that uh you

00:35:55.740 know we we came from monkeys i i don't think so but does it matter if if at one point the divine said

00:36:05.420 that is human yeah it's exactly exactly right let and let me exploit the podcast format to respond

00:36:14.520 to what you're saying but but you know let's imagine uh i wanted to tell somebody that i i spent this

00:36:22.460 morning with glenn beck so i'm going to say to somebody and i i might boast about that i'm going to

00:36:27.440 say you know what i spent this morning with glenn beck and person says glenn beck who's that i said glenn

00:36:33.420 back he's the guy who one time 30 years ago drove a car from tampa to miami

00:36:40.380 or am i going to say glenn beck is the man who built up a huge following based on fundamental truth

00:36:50.440 called the blaze right i'd address what i think is one of your your outstanding accomplishments not

00:36:56.980 something much more mundane well it's interesting is it not that um the ten commandments

00:37:03.180 um begin i'm the lord your god and it should continue who created heaven and earth

00:37:10.540 because that's a pretty significant achievement i'm the lord your god who built this universe

00:37:17.440 you're in right you know what it actually says i'm the lord your god who took you out of the land

00:37:21.740 of egypt yawn i mean really is that the best you can come up with why isn't that interesting it is

00:37:31.820 why it's fascinating not only that but the creation of the world takes up 34 verses in genesis but the

00:37:39.220 construction of a tabernacle which was used only in the desert and for a few hundred years later when

00:37:45.840 the jews came to shiloh with joshua um takes up nearly 200 verses may i take speculate well i i know

00:37:54.060 you're going to get it because you were alluding to it a few minutes ago go ahead yes yeah that it is

00:37:58.400 that the bible is not about god the bible is about man precisely it's so great being with you the bible

00:38:08.500 is not man's book about god if it was we'd talk about the creation of the universe it's god's book

00:38:15.120 about man and fundamental to that is this basic question of what are we are we nothing but a creature

00:38:27.180 on the continuum that starts with bacteria and moves up to to people or are we a completely different

00:38:37.580 creature as i say touched by the finger of god that's really what we have to ask ourselves

00:38:42.240 because everything flows out of that once once we decide that question and you can never know it

00:38:49.840 you have to it's like everything else in life when you get married to a woman there is no way you can

00:38:56.000 possibly know everything about her before you get married that is a step you take with faith

00:39:02.880 when in almost every major decision in life when you choose a career you have no idea

00:39:08.480 all the implications that that's going to have 30 years later and so similarly on on this decision

00:39:14.900 you also make a decision in your life you say look there's this there's two ways to live my life

00:39:22.020 i either have to live my life as if i am truly a purposeless collection of molecules of nitrogen and oxygen

00:39:30.320 and phosphorus and uh and carbon or i am something that god created and put here with a purpose

00:39:38.060 and the implications are absolutely huge and the kind of society first of all the kind of person i'm

00:39:45.380 going to try and make myself become the family i'm going to raise the society i'm going to be part of

00:39:49.760 all of this is shaped as i said earlier by a belief along these lines as opposed to any facts

00:39:56.260 let me let me switch gears um i i am greatly concerned about

00:40:04.900 really probably the next 10 to 12 years of human existence and i fall into the category of stephen hawking

00:40:12.980 and uh and elon musk um are you familiar with ai agi and asi in in the world of artificial intelligence

00:40:22.600 yes yes okay so we right now mit is doing something called the moral machine and they as soon as the

00:40:33.720 5g network is up the world changes reason why we don't have self-driving cars now is we have the

00:40:40.340 technology to do it what we don't have is a big enough fast enough pipeline uh and that's going

00:40:46.740 to require the 5g network once the 5g network is up your car becomes far more capable of doing almost

00:40:55.820 anything it will be able to not only know what's in the road in front of them but also know who is in

00:41:03.740 the road in front of them beside them behind them and it has to make a judgment call if there's going

00:41:10.720 to be an accident who do i kill yes and that has to be programmed in advance correct yes there's a

00:41:18.420 hierarchy of of life if you will we are now designing um all kinds of machines to kill uh we we have

00:41:27.980 drones still has the human kill switch but we are designing for agi technology to be able to go in

00:41:36.380 and we don't have to have a human driver ray kurzweil has said to me by 2030 glenn there will be no death

00:41:43.380 complete nonsense it's it's so amazing that people who are so smart can be so stupid

00:41:50.260 well he's he believes that there will be no death because i can download you well that doesn't that's

00:41:57.100 not that's not you that's not life but we can't even agree on when a child becomes a child in uterus

00:42:08.000 but we do know that two identical twins who are truly identical there is no difference in their dna

00:42:15.740 we do know they have different fingerprints yes we haven't the faintest idea of where that

00:42:21.520 information comes from right we also know that they have different souls obviously right and so

00:42:27.380 a lot of these statements and and and you know you you're you're alluding to smart people but um

00:42:33.400 well i'm here's what i'm here's what i'm i'm driving at yeah um we have these gigantic

00:42:41.760 uh philosophical questions and we are driving the opposite way when it comes to knowing

00:42:51.620 universal principles really standing by those universal principles how do we survive rabbi with

00:43:00.460 the kind of the kind of technology that is coming our way programmed mainly by people who do not

00:43:09.360 look at the book uh for any kind of advice sure in a society that will gobble this up um so so i mean

00:43:18.920 i think the important thing is is not to be overly alarmed uh as i've said before um being very intelligent

00:43:28.580 is very different from being wise and there are many people in fact our culture i think has specialized

00:43:36.020 in producing very smart people um the the whole elite university system the idea now that that

00:43:43.580 marriages are essentially for the most part in that group very smart people marrying very smart people

00:43:50.000 it's not the way it used to be um you know careful you're starting to sound like charles murray

00:43:55.780 you know not everything charles murray said was wrong i think everything he a lot of it as you well know

00:44:02.600 the the bell curve was vilified but um but it was not vilified with data and science it was vilified

00:44:09.060 with beliefs yes and hysteria and emotions and feelings but um uh the the idea that um for instance you

00:44:18.780 know one of the people you mentioned earlier uh has has gone on record saying that uh the problem is

00:44:24.500 going to be not enough work for people there's going to be too much leisure okay people have been saying

00:44:32.060 this since water power replaced hand sawing operations in the 17th century uh it's it doesn't reflect

00:44:43.920 a reality of the human being uh it reflects a reality that would be true provided the human being was

00:44:51.520 nothing but a materialistic outcome if we really are just bodies and no souls then some of these things

00:44:59.440 become concerns but we're not and secondly there's also a cycle but if we believe we are i mean we're

00:45:06.820 headed towards the belief that we are yeah but there isn't a we you see this is this has been a tension

00:45:12.800 that has been true in society for 2 000 years it goes back to jerusalem and athens uh the uh the

00:45:20.180 athenian worldview exemplified really very colorfully by the the entire literature of greek mythology for

00:45:27.800 instance um even has something to say about energy right where prometheus unhappy with the notion that

00:45:34.440 energy in the form of fire belongs only to zeus and the other gods steals it and zeus punishes him

00:45:41.080 with eternal torture in the judeo-christian vision adam and eve are at the gate to the garden of eden on

00:45:48.300 their way to eviction and adam wails to god and how am i going to manage this wild animals there how am i

00:45:54.860 going to eat and god says i've got this great gift for you it's a divine gift you're going to be the

00:45:59.740 only creature on the whole planet that uses this it's called fire these are two incomparable visions

00:46:06.120 the greek vision is obviously more prevalent because that's why people knock on the window of my v12

00:46:12.760 bmw and say how dare you use so much gasoline right why don't you knock on my room in the morning and

00:46:20.160 say how dare you have four cups of coffee right because the way the uh the these these philosophies

00:46:28.020 have evolved energy is either divine or only not meant for you know not meant for the use of human

00:46:35.160 beings the the we've always been uh jerusalem and athens and that's the same uh play here um so where

00:46:44.260 we don't you really don't have to worry that that this group of people who are materialistic in the

00:46:50.980 extreme and and scientific in the extreme um portend these these dismal outcomes the fact is that

00:47:00.400 technology technological progress rises and falls it doesn't flow at a steady rate and so even now

00:47:07.280 for instance uh there's quite a lot of material out there about how some of the the silicon valley

00:47:13.180 geniuses won't allow their children to use ipads and phones right all right that's an interesting

00:47:20.220 development it's it's something that my wife could have told them 15 years ago already the woman one of

00:47:28.760 the women who uh came up with instagram just this last couple of weeks said i'm out and i know i brought

00:47:36.400 it to market but this this is horrible right so so the notion that somehow we're in this dystopian

00:47:42.500 universe heading towards robotic control that kind of gloomy picture is a specialty of the left this

00:47:50.380 is why according to the left the world is always going to end either nuclear winter or acid rain or

00:47:57.980 global warming but whatever it is unless the united nations manages to impose a tax on all of humanity

00:48:04.880 and given the power to save us we are all doomed versus a religious vision that says we don't know the

00:48:11.080 details but on some glorious day of god's choosing everything is going to be great

00:48:15.460 who are we you know i used to read the bible it was so funny you still no no when i when i was younger i

00:48:35.080 would read the bible and i would and i would look at these civilizations and i'm like four pages ago

00:48:41.440 four pages ago you learned this lesson you know everything's a little compacted but i used to laugh

00:48:48.520 at how fast people forgot yes and destroyed themselves over and over again who are we now i don't laugh at

00:48:57.420 that because i read it and i'm like oh my gosh this is us yes who are we if you had to pick a

00:49:03.060 civilization or a group of people or a time period in the bible what are we living right now the united

00:49:09.420 states of america yeah or the world uh the i think those are two different can you give me two can you

00:49:16.460 give me the difference yes i i could certainly try to uh yeah in in the united states of america um we are

00:49:23.400 probably more like ancient israel than like anywhere else uh we have our prophets uh we have

00:49:30.280 a significant part of the population that believes in the bible believes that the bible is god's message

00:49:37.580 to mankind um but then you also have a very significant population that is um hostile to that

00:49:46.200 world view and uh this is a struggle that is as evident today here as it was in israel in the days

00:49:55.000 of jeremiah do you know of any other society that's gone through this besides israel only israel and

00:50:00.360 and and america and there are other similarities as well we're we're the only two nations ancient

00:50:05.400 israel and modern america are the only eight nations that are not um specifically land shaped in

00:50:12.300 other words uh it's very difficult to become a naturalized swiss citizen if you weren't born in

00:50:17.320 switzerland but you can join the people of israel and you can join the people of america by a philosophical

00:50:24.980 belief process i i adopt the founders of america as my fathers as well so i think that that is a

00:50:34.000 um that's a strong similarity we're also uh the the only two nations that fought a civil war early in

00:50:42.520 their histories over moral issues and both emerged stronger than they went into it um it's very very

00:50:50.960 unusual and um and it's strange too that our founders believed so did the pilgrims that they were

00:50:57.380 completing the journey of the exodus of of uh very much so you know as as you know i think you may even

00:51:03.740 have a picture of it is the uh the seal yes the idea of having the great seal with the israelites

00:51:09.320 crossing the the red sea so the these things were very much in the in the minds of the founders

00:51:14.880 without question and uh israel broke up and was destroyed yes yes you see that i don't necessarily

00:51:24.660 see that and and i'm not uh yeah i'm not i'm not really good on the prophecy stuff but um but i see it

00:51:32.200 there's a possibility um i i'm very much um of the view that um that a uh religious reawakening could

00:51:42.800 i don't see another way of doing this by the way either i don't think you can evangelize people to a

00:51:47.800 political viewpoint um i don't think the republican party if we can just get everybody to vote republican

00:51:54.940 oh everything will be fine i i don't think that's that's necessarily true um although i do know if we can

00:52:00.700 get everybody to vote for the democrats as they're currently constituted everything will be terrible

00:52:04.800 but um uh but no i i think it is a case of uh a spiritual and and religious reawakening is is what

00:52:14.460 i see happening where's the rest of the world the rest of the world is um is is kind of where it's

00:52:21.420 always been um in certain ways it's it's a laboratory of of the human experience and um and there is some

00:52:31.800 place on the planet that you can point to for the bringing to life of of whatever philosophy you're

00:52:39.420 inquisitive about either in the present time or or historically but um uh the the idea

00:52:47.800 in others i i don't have any mission to save the world i think people who do can be very dangerous

00:52:54.560 um i don't i don't see that at all i do see my dream is is um is for america and israel to be

00:53:06.020 models of societal structure that the rest of the world willingly and voluntarily imitates and emulates

00:53:13.880 and and i'm i'm seeing some interesting things i mean um uh the the the european union in my view

00:53:21.800 has been doomed from from day one day one uh it's um uh and you know we we see what's happening there

00:53:29.740 and uh and um uh it was it was dreamed up as as a means of uh preventing another world war that was the

00:53:40.420 concept it was dreamed up as a way of trying to emulate the united states we have the united states

00:53:46.260 of america we're gonna have the united states of europe but uh but you do have countries that are

00:53:51.880 routinely denounced as racist and vilified as regressive but you do have some countries that

00:53:59.460 are taking steps to fulfill the most basic function of any state which is self-preservation

00:54:06.240 and uh in poland is who would have dreamed that that that poland could be a functioning

00:54:12.400 democracy in in the early 21st century those those just on the uh western side of the former

00:54:23.200 soviet union they're some of the strongest i mean they're some of the strongest freedom loving people

00:54:30.660 yes um hungary hungary is very fascinating so i yeah i i don't think it's america and the world

00:54:39.020 uh i i don't really i i think there are many many different countries and regions in the world

00:54:45.380 as i as i mentioned in another conversation you and i had i'm absolutely intrigued with some of the

00:54:50.640 things happening in africa now i mean obviously there are huge problems uh one of the biggest problems

00:54:56.860 infecting africa is foreign aid uh which is is nearly always destructive um foreign aid has kept

00:55:04.960 alive the arab refugee problem in the middle east uh it is very very difficult to give people money

00:55:13.120 without causing more problems than you're trying to solve and um and our that's one of the hardest

00:55:19.100 that was one of the hardest lessons i've ever learned from actually a bishop of mine somebody came to me

00:55:24.260 and i knew they were struggling and having trouble and because my faith is a faith of

00:55:29.460 of structure and checks and balances and everything else this person called me and said hey

00:55:34.460 you know i really need your help financially blah blah blah and i said have you talked to the bishop

00:55:39.440 he said yeah but i i really wanted to talk to you i said okay i hung up the phone and i called

00:55:46.340 my bishop and my bishop said and i had the money to help him it wasn't asking for a big thing he said

00:55:50.220 glad i'm gonna ask you to do the hardest thing you've ever done please don't he said if you do

00:55:55.080 you will undo so much of what we're trying to do he said he's got to stand on his own two feet

00:56:01.520 and he said he can he just doesn't want to yeah and it's uh it's a lesson that i don't i bono learned

00:56:11.000 it yes bono has learned it bono is now looking at all of the aid that he's done for his whole life

00:56:16.600 and said none of it made a difference you got to teach a man how to fish right well they're very

00:56:22.720 interesting things happening in africa very very interesting and uh i think it's important not to

00:56:27.880 lump the continent as a whole but to look at different societies there so when you do look at

00:56:33.120 europe um and i remember being mocked at fox uh you know for many things caliphate was one of them

00:56:41.840 the other one was the hatreds of the 1930s are going to come back and here we are yes and i

00:56:47.480 remember i mean they mocked me for always talking about nazis but i was always talking about this

00:56:51.460 problem is coming back and um and now here it is there's a there's something weird and i think it's

00:56:58.900 happening here in the united states too and i'd love for your thoughts on this

00:57:03.880 there is there's a problem that the elite class if you will the ruling class and the media

00:57:13.440 they will they refuse to recognize and then there's the people on the streets that see it

00:57:21.520 and what they're seeing is my wages haven't moved um my life isn't necessarily getting better

00:57:30.260 um we're we're fighting these wars and i'm not really even sure what they're about in europe

00:57:37.380 we're now the eu oh wait a minute i like being swiss or i like being you know german and i like being

00:57:46.700 italian or yes and the swiss never joined the eu they wanted as soon as i said that they wanted to

00:57:52.200 keep their own their own for exactly what you're saying their own identity yeah and and and so they're

00:57:59.000 seeing this come apart they know it doesn't work they're being told that it works economically but

00:58:05.240 they know it doesn't then they're being forced to take on an absorb millions of people who do not

00:58:14.280 want to become german do not want to become french do not want to become uh you know members of the eu or

00:58:20.400 the uk and because the press and the ruling class will not deal with the simple problems of

00:58:30.880 look if you want to come here we want you here but you got to be english we have english law here

00:58:38.880 you know you want to come here you want to be german and it'll be great but you got to fit into society

00:58:44.220 um because they won't deal with that and other basics the only people who will are these

00:58:51.780 you know uber nationalists who are not necessarily trying to solve the problem the average person does

00:59:00.220 but the average person runs to them because they're the only one saying this is a problem yes

00:59:07.720 so it's happening here i think to some extent too it it could get really bad when you have this

00:59:16.960 denial of truth and this yearning to be i think free and yourself that's when bad guys come in and play

00:59:28.600 how do how do we do you see europe waking up to this the whole immigrant question is is a terrific

00:59:38.100 lens through which to look at the whole question it's a great lens to look at it because it's being

00:59:44.160 played out and has been played out since 1965 in the united states with the 1965 immigration reform act

00:59:51.600 whose natural and inevitable consequence is a caravan of migrants moving through

00:59:58.260 central america determined to storm the southern border this is a very straight easily definable

01:00:05.880 line that links the caravan to 1965's immigration reform act um that angela merkel in in germany

01:00:14.760 believed that importing a million males all right one of the reasons that uh that roanoke didn't work

01:00:23.440 and new england did work was that new england was families there was men and women husbands and wives

01:00:29.920 uh soldiers don't build a society men don't build a society alone neither do women of course but uh

01:00:36.320 uh yeah it's it's um the idea that importing a million young arab males was a good idea

01:00:46.180 but i never try i never like saying how stupid they are because they're not

01:00:54.180 it it's uh it's a mistake to think anyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid even if i'm tempted

01:01:00.200 to think that sometimes but it's not true um according to their worldview what they're saying

01:01:06.780 and what they're doing is exactly right let me explain what i mean let's just take a second which is that

01:01:11.620 again a fundamental and categorical distinction between a secularized view of reality and a judeo-christian

01:01:24.020 bible-based view of reality is the whole question of scarcity versus abundance a secular viewpoint

01:01:32.200 always believes in scarcity there's not enough trees there's not enough oxygen there's not enough

01:01:40.700 oil paul earlick is still teaching your children at stanford university at you know 65 grand tuition

01:01:50.480 and this is the guy who predicted in a book in 1972 that by 2000 americans would be dying of starvation

01:01:58.500 because in his world view scarcity and shortage and doom is the absolute inevitable end

01:02:07.540 uh they also believe that um land and resources are scarce and so people they see people as consumers

01:02:17.320 of resources not creators and so the big fear and the big worry is too many people and so zero population

01:02:26.440 growth was a popular movement talking of our friend george soros and many others um now we look at the

01:02:33.180 the religious viewpoint the religious viewpoint is that we have a god whose um identifying characteristic

01:02:40.360 is abundance limitlessness and so this is a god who said be fruitful and multiply

01:02:46.400 really well he also um said in hebrew pru or avu that doesn't just mean it's not just a poetic way of saying

01:02:56.020 be fruitful and have sex or it's it's not like that it's have children and educate them that's what

01:03:02.380 the hebrew says very very different so it's not just putting out kids there it's putting out

01:03:08.360 human beings who are capable of being godlike in their ability to create right in that world view

01:03:15.860 there's not much in the way of shortage now think about an economic system you know very often people

01:03:21.300 say well i don't want any children and i say well okay that's great but your social security is going

01:03:27.880 to end up being paid by my children and they say i don't need social security i have investments

01:03:33.900 and i say my response is exactly the same because your investments absolutely depend on companies

01:03:41.060 continuing to sell their goods and services and the only way those companies are going to continue to

01:03:47.080 sell goods and services is if the population base expands so everybody understands that people may

01:03:54.120 not agree with me that god created a system this way but everybody agrees that you've got to have

01:03:59.740 a pyramid-shaped structure there's got to be more people in the next generation than in this

01:04:04.580 if not for the most basic and elemental reason which is that for a husband and wife to survive in their

01:04:11.280 old age they need more than one child that's sort of pretty basic now you can translate that into vast

01:04:18.740 economic terms and factories and economic systems the basic arithmetic doesn't change there need to be

01:04:25.140 more people in the next generation if this generation is going to survive and so on and so forth okay fine

01:04:30.960 they understand that and germany understood that as well their answer was immigrants anybody

01:04:37.780 because to them people are just materialistic one pair of arms and one pair of legs and one mouth

01:04:46.140 is the same as any other set of those same organs and people on my side of the device said are you crazy

01:04:53.640 you're bringing in not just arms and legs you're bringing in human beings who have beliefs

01:04:59.100 so you believe that this is i have never thought of it that way you believe this is just a way for them

01:05:07.360 to repopulate because the system i mean just mathematically the system is collapsing

01:05:14.520 they're aging out and there's no young people everybody knows that yes i don't think everybody

01:05:21.100 knows no no no no just everyone knows what you just said yes yes yes yeah but i've never heard

01:05:25.700 anybody aging out yes i've never heard anybody tie those two together yeah so bring in those immigrants

01:05:31.380 and um and since we're only bringing in it's like bringing in cows right they're just arms and legs

01:05:38.240 and and hands their economic cogs they'll be plugged with nothing to worry about and outside of the

01:05:44.600 divide says you're completely wrong you're bringing in complete human beings and those human beings have

01:05:50.060 their own beliefs and those beliefs are like fire in their minds and you have to know what those

01:05:57.660 beliefs are because if they're incompatible with yours you don't have the makings of a society you have

01:06:06.080 the makings of a huge civil war and again parts of paris you know many many other french cities today

01:06:13.480 parts of uh sweden malmo in sweden uh cologne in germany uh these these things play out to the point

01:06:20.760 where uh uh the sort of things we're talking about would make europeans yawn and say yeah tell us

01:06:25.920 something new we know about this already i was i was in copenhagen and i was doing um what's called a

01:06:32.000 stand-up for television where you stand up in a certain area and you you tell a story and they

01:06:37.320 recorded and uh i was doing this and i was so focused on what i was doing out of the corner of

01:06:43.440 my eye i see my security agent he's been moving closer and closer he's uncomfortable very uncomfortable

01:06:49.100 and he finally it just puts his hand up and when he did that i knew i've got to pay attention to him

01:06:55.940 um he put his hand up and he said we have to leave right now and we all left and uh there had been a

01:07:04.500 crowd of muslim men that had been gathering we come home nothing happened we come home month later

01:07:11.080 i see cbs or i'm sorry i see 60 minutes australia and they're doing a stand-up in exactly the same

01:07:18.960 place and their team is beaten they didn't leave and there's a riot that breaks out and they're

01:07:24.180 they're beating them yeah i mean it's it's uh europe knows europe knows i'm sorry the european

01:07:33.220 people know people know the european people know look everybody knows uh again just to reduce it to

01:07:39.360 its its silly simplicity but you know ordinary people know that if you are on alone on a dark

01:07:47.060 street very late at night in in parts of town that make you nervous and you see four figures approaching

01:07:53.540 you from the other end normal people are nervous by that but if they get closer and you see it's not

01:08:00.380 four guys but two men out with their wives it's two couples normal people say okay i was worried

01:08:10.540 there for a moment normal people know that if you bring in a million young males into germany

01:08:16.700 that's not good news it's a problem no regardless whatever their beliefs are but now if you bring in a

01:08:23.900 million young males whose beliefs are islamic now you have a real problem ordinary folks know that

01:08:30.220 but again if your secular worldview is dominant then these are just arms and legs these are

01:08:36.000 socioeconomic cogs just like any others ready to integrate and become part of the economy of your

01:08:41.720 country so you can continue living as comfortably as you do in your gated community

01:08:46.240 i know so some of some of my favorite people uh thinkers are jewish because they just i don't know

01:09:08.280 they think differently and i think it's and i could be wrong i think it's because

01:09:12.980 you answer questions with questions you know you question everything isn't israel isn't that

01:09:21.220 it doesn't it doesn't that translate to wrestle with god yeah okay yeah yeah so and and correct me

01:09:27.800 if i'm wrong but it's part of the culture to question and wrestle with things you know it might be

01:09:33.020 um in in my case uh i i've just really done my hardest to make sure that that my thinking and my

01:09:42.360 analysis is driven by ancient jewish wisdom is driven by biblical tradition rather than by jewish

01:09:48.680 cultural but there's okay so but there's difference and i think it is from i think it is from studying

01:09:54.100 the torah i think the questioning comes from studying the torah um uh but there is a difference

01:10:00.660 between people who read the bible every day and people who study torah there's a great deal of

01:10:08.700 difference in the way they think would you agree with that or not um i would say

01:10:15.820 you know like like all your questions that's thought-provoking but my immediate response

01:10:21.780 is that um i have much more in common with a bible believing christian than i have with a secularized

01:10:30.240 jew i agree with that i'm not talking about secularized you i'm talking about somebody who is

01:10:36.620 studying the torah we don't study the bible like jews study the torah right but that's not because

01:10:44.360 of any shortcoming in you that's simply because you don't have access to the hebrew original and the

01:10:52.580 hebrew is a densely packed encoded system of information uh this you know the example i like giving is that

01:11:00.680 i sometimes pull down from my shelf a german book published in germany uh of max planks analysis of

01:11:10.900 thermodynamics and i give it to somebody and i say so you know what do you think i does this view of

01:11:20.180 the physical universe make sense and he opens he says rabbi later i don't speak german i'm so sorry

01:11:26.460 i put it in the shelf and right next to it i've got an english translation which is a very fine

01:11:31.000 highly heralded i pull down the english translation i'm sorry here it is in english tell me what you

01:11:35.860 think and then he says well i now see my obstacle in understanding it wasn't just the language it was

01:11:44.340 i i don't have i don't know enough physics i don't know enough mathematics every page is filled

01:11:50.020 with equations i'm sorry it it didn't help to give it to me in english it's a lot like that as well

01:11:56.460 where um the english translation of the torah is uh i i i want to say it carries as much as one percent

01:12:05.240 of the meaning but i think that's an exaggeration it's a it's it's it's remarkable remarkable how much

01:12:12.640 christians have lost by i mean we got to get these two together it's very problematic you see i mean

01:12:18.600 just a quick example and there's so many of these i mean we i could do the rest of the day on this

01:12:23.740 but um at the beginning of genesis god put man in the garden of eden to work it that's that's what

01:12:30.320 chapter 2 verse 19 says um in exodus chapter 20 verse 7 seven days shalt i do all thy work

01:12:40.300 six days six days in six days you must do all thy work same word work right god said to moses go to

01:12:48.420 pharaoh and say to him let my people go so that they may worship me in the desert

01:12:52.760 chapter 24 of the book of uh joshua near the end joshua saying you know what i'm fed up with you

01:13:01.520 people you guys can do whatever you like as for me and my family we shall worship the lord

01:13:05.380 so i've just told you four verses two of them use the word work as in doing your work and two of them

01:13:12.060 use the word worship and what no devout good wonderful christian brother can do is realize

01:13:20.240 that in the hebrew original that's all one word all one word there is no distinction between work

01:13:25.980 and worship one of the ways you worship god is by doing your daily work now do you see what an

01:13:31.620 immense difference such so rich that makes to how i go to work on monday morning i'm not now going

01:13:38.120 to work to get a paycheck i'm going to work to take care of god's other children and this is part

01:13:43.580 of the way of worshiping it's kind of the theory of pray always yes you are praying everything you're

01:13:50.780 doing is a prayer exactly right so that would be an example of four verses that are completely

01:13:55.880 misunderstood the essence of it is that taking care of your customers is part of worshiping god that

01:14:04.160 god set up a system where that includes human economic interaction and in the same way that

01:14:10.860 you would be filled with love for me if i did something beautiful for your children

01:14:14.780 god loves it when we do things for one another because we're taking care of his children

01:14:19.580 so these these provide a hebraic perspective on life that simply can't be obtained from the english

01:14:27.240 translation one last that's why everyone needs a rabbi if you don't mind dropping that in no i love that

01:14:33.560 um one last question uh i'm having a difficult time my son is struggling with god

01:14:42.860 and i struggle with god i think we all struggle with god and he has you know he doesn't know him

01:14:50.180 for himself he hasn't worked for that relationship exactly yeah um i was lucky to i felt an early

01:14:59.440 connection okay uh he doesn't um and we were talking about the scriptures the other day why do i have

01:15:07.380 to read the scriptures and i said because even if you don't believe in god yeah it is the basis of

01:15:16.360 the western society and it's just if it was bob's book of really great tips the world would embrace it

01:15:25.140 you know it would be it would it would be this this this bob has been selling these books for

01:15:32.400 yeah you know hundreds and thousands of years and there is really some good stuff in here

01:15:37.140 you know um how do you how do you talk to somebody who doesn't who's who's just disconnected

01:15:46.600 from it disconnected from the language and sees the stories as old and how old is he 14

01:15:52.160 um i think the answer is you don't and all you do is work on your relationship with him

01:16:00.740 everything else will said that to somebody somebody said to me he said how's your

01:16:07.580 relationship i said we're really close we just we're really close and uh and uh i said he's

01:16:15.560 struggling with god and they said what are you what are you doing about that and i said

01:16:19.720 telling him it's okay yeah and they kind of looked at me like that that's crazy and i said

01:16:25.700 it has to be from him i can't give him my faith he he has to find it i have to demonstrate that god

01:16:34.620 lives i have to live yes a godly life but at some point he's going to have that crash is that

01:16:42.580 breaks my heart when i see uh fathers so fervent in their devotion to god that they're willing to

01:16:49.700 destroy their relationship with their sons right in an attempt a futile attempt to drive into them

01:16:55.640 an equivalent love of god it doesn't work it will it will push him away from god i think and from you

01:17:01.080 yeah more importantly from you rabbi it's always great to have you are we already through our time

01:17:10.420 we are my goodness time flies when we talk you come back will you just uh

01:17:16.200 make the case for socialism and capitalism and make it in a way that somebody who's 20

01:17:24.420 can really relate can you do that yeah you can do that in your sleep no no i can't sleep at all no

01:17:33.280 it's not it's it's it's a monumental question but but it's one that i've grappled with okay yeah thank

01:17:39.260 you good to be with you

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The Glenn Beck Program - February 23, 2019

Ep 25 ｜ Rabbi Daniel Lapin ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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