The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 250 ｜ 'Britain Is a Failed State'： PM Truss BLASTS UK's Decline ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:00:30.940 And now, a Blaze Media Podcast.

00:00:34.180 The shortest-serving prime minister in British history says she wants to be part of the Second American Revolution.

00:00:40.800 Pakistani rape gangs roaming the UK. 0.94

00:00:43.680 British man convicted for praying at an abortion clinic.

00:00:47.100 Quietly, himself, just standing there.

00:00:49.560 The rise of Islam across the continent.

00:00:52.240 You have to wonder, is it too late for Europe?

00:00:56.180 It's quite a conversation we're going to have next.

00:00:58.760 On the podcast, welcome, former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Liz Truss.

00:01:04.140 How are you, Liz?

00:01:18.660 I'm very well, thank you.

00:01:19.700 It is great to have you here.

00:01:20.560 Great to be on.

00:01:21.240 I want to start with just the weirdness of you being prime minister, how it happened that fast.

00:01:34.640 You're in, you're Margaret Thatcher.

00:01:36.360 They meant it in a bad way.

00:01:37.540 And then you're out.

00:01:38.940 What happened?

00:01:39.960 I think, if you look at the run-up to the leadership election, there was a group of conservative MPs who were determined to get Boris Johnson out of office.

00:01:52.400 So that was the background.

00:01:53.900 So I was not expecting the leadership race to take place.

00:01:58.360 And in fact, I was foreign secretary.

00:01:59.620 I was traveling around the world.

00:02:00.780 And I was in Indonesia.

00:02:02.760 And I watched Boris Johnson resign on TV.

00:02:06.080 And I thought, I have to put myself forward.

00:02:08.580 Because I was so frustrated with the fact that the conservatives have been in government for 12 years.

00:02:14.120 But they hadn't been conservative.

00:02:16.720 We know that song.

00:02:18.000 We'd had massive immigration, the highest taxes for 70 years. 1.00

00:02:22.680 Energy was disastrously expensive because we hadn't done fracking.

00:02:27.900 We'd killed our oil and gas industry.

00:02:30.180 So I wanted to fix those things.

00:02:31.800 But it was very, very sudden.

00:02:34.680 So I was campaigning on the hoof.

00:02:36.820 And the reason I won the leadership election was because the conservative base supported the policies I was advocating.

00:02:44.580 You know, being clear, a man is a man and a woman is a woman. 0.77

00:02:48.060 Getting on with fracking, cutting taxes.

00:02:51.620 But a lot of the conservative MPs, the ones who'd campaigned to get Boris out, did not support that.

00:02:59.420 And that was the fundamental issue for me.

00:03:02.600 And given that I had campaigned to take on the blob, which is what you would call the deep state in America, which is a massive problem.

00:03:11.900 I mean, you think you've got it bad.

00:03:13.460 In the U.S., you ain't seen nothing.

00:03:15.840 I know.

00:03:16.100 You've been around for a lot longer than we have.

00:03:18.020 Exactly.

00:03:18.840 The deep state has had longer to embed itself in Britain.

00:03:21.820 But given that I wanted to take them on and that's what I did, I didn't have the support of conservative MPs to do that.

00:03:31.120 And that was the fundamental problem.

00:03:32.680 So when the Bank of England turned on me and essentially blamed me for their failings, what I found was the mainstream media conservative MPs were very happy to join in that chorus rather than back me up.

00:03:48.820 And that was the fundamental problem.

00:03:51.360 I remember when you came in and I heard you were out.

00:03:55.140 Because I was watching from, you know, I don't follow, you know, politics per se of, you know, everything in England.

00:04:02.940 But I follow the leadership and I'm seeing and hearing what you're saying and I'm like, this is amazing.

00:04:11.440 This is maybe a return of common sense and England.

00:04:17.960 And when the Bank of England turned on you and blamed you for that, I thought, I don't know if there's any hope for England.

00:04:26.300 If you can't, if you can't have somebody come in and say, can we just look at the ledger?

00:04:34.800 Yeah.

00:04:35.060 Can we just look at what we're doing and just stop for a second?

00:04:40.700 Is there, I mean, you've called England a failed state.

00:04:45.540 It's profoundly, you know, it was profoundly undemocratic what happened.

00:04:49.820 Because this is about somebody who was not elected, the governor of the Bank of England, blaming me, using the apparatus of the state to undermine me in collaboration with other officials across the government.

00:05:06.720 There was constant leaking, constant briefing.

00:05:10.080 The mainstream media were used to put pressure on me.

00:05:14.240 So if you look at what's happened since under this Labour government, bond rates are higher under Rachel Reeves than they were under me.

00:05:25.040 So all of the things that happened in my tenure in office have happened to a much worse extent under this Labour government.

00:05:32.660 But none of the people are kicking off.

00:05:34.680 Right.

00:05:34.840 The Bank of England has her back.

00:05:37.160 You know, she's a former Bank of England employee.

00:05:39.940 The mainstream media don't want to question what's going on.

00:05:42.940 And the issue is that Britain is heading for bankruptcy.

00:05:47.600 You know, the...

00:05:48.520 Stand in line on that one.

00:05:49.860 They're predicting, you know, they...

00:05:51.540 But the Treasury and the Office of Budget Responsibility, which is like our version of the CBO, the Congressional Budget Office,

00:06:00.260 they predicted that if she raised taxes, more revenue would come in. 0.97

00:06:05.960 But surprise, surprise, the Laffer curve tells us that if you raise taxes too much, the revenues don't come in.

00:06:12.280 And that is exactly what is happening.

00:06:14.400 It's what I predicted back in 2022, that if you raise taxes too much, people leave the country, businesses leave the country, people don't invest.

00:06:23.660 And we now have the fastest rate of millionaires leaving Britain of any country in the world apart from China.

00:06:30.820 You know, people are deserting our country.

00:06:34.460 We've seen the last steel plant that produced steel from scratch close down because our energy prices are so high.

00:06:41.540 So all of the things I was trying to change are now, you know, the chickens are coming home to roost.

00:06:52.060 They're coming home to roost.

00:06:53.340 And it's just massively frustrating.

00:06:55.580 But in answer to your question about can it be fixed?

00:06:59.000 I do look at Argentina.

00:07:00.560 I think things can go very, very, very wrong with a country.

00:07:03.880 And eventually, people wake up.

00:07:08.080 And I'd rather people woke up sooner rather than later.

00:07:10.840 Right.

00:07:11.300 But it takes the backing of the people to be – I mean, I'm a little nervous.

00:07:17.900 I mean, Trump has been very, very popular this time around.

00:07:21.980 And people are backing him.

00:07:23.280 Because he saw what happened last time.

00:07:27.880 So he came in.

00:07:28.820 Who his enemies really were.

00:07:30.060 Yeah, he knew who his enemy was.

00:07:31.100 And I'm now in a position to know that in Britain.

00:07:34.380 But I didn't know that clearly enough before I became leader.

00:07:37.860 That's exactly what he says.

00:07:38.860 I didn't understand how corrupt they would be.

00:07:43.460 I didn't understand how brutally they would fight.

00:07:50.640 So can you give me –

00:07:51.580 I believed that I had a mandate.

00:07:54.620 Right.

00:07:54.880 And they would respect that.

00:07:56.180 And I did not understand – but I understand that now.

00:07:59.620 And I think Trump has benefited from being in in 2016, seeing exactly how the bureaucracy behave.

00:08:07.240 And this is why he's had a plan with all the executive orders, flooding the zone, trying to outsmart the enemy.

00:08:16.480 And I just simply didn't know that back in 2022.

00:08:19.780 He didn't either.

00:08:20.560 He told me in 2016.

00:08:22.100 He said, when I went in last time, I had – I knew it was bad.

00:08:25.460 I had no idea how bad it was.

00:08:29.600 And I think it's been a blessing for America that he lost in 2020 because it gave us four years of seeing, oh, my, it's even worse than we thought it was.

00:08:39.940 And it gave him time to back out and go, okay, I really want to assemble a team that I can trust and plan and then execute it.

00:08:50.620 And it's been remarkable.

00:08:53.240 But he didn't know either.

00:08:54.180 So when you go in and you are – you're elected, you walk in to 10 Downing, what did you think you would find and what did you find?

00:09:07.160 Well, in some ways I should have known better because I'd been a government minister for 10 years.

00:09:11.960 So I'd had all those battles in every department I was in, the environmentalist nutters in the environment department, the human rights lawyers in the justice department.

00:09:23.060 So I should have known that the bureaucracy was not on our side.

00:09:27.140 But I always thought that it was because I was relatively junior and that there were instructions in some way coming from the prime minister and his team.

00:09:37.580 I sort of assumed that what I was experiencing was a political direction that Boris Johnson or Theresa May or David Cameron was imposing.

00:09:52.860 Right.

00:09:52.960 When I got to number 10 and I saw the way that the bureaucracy behaved, and the first thing we did was we got rid of the Permanent Secretary to the Treasury, Tom Scholar.

00:10:09.120 And this is a bureaucrat who'd been there under Gordon Brown time.

00:10:12.780 He'd presided over the stagnation of the British economy.

00:10:17.140 He was a massive Europhile.

00:10:19.980 He hated Brexit.

00:10:20.980 You know, this man had to go because he was part of the problem.

00:10:24.860 But there was a massive backlash by the mainstream media, by the bureaucracy.

00:10:30.980 And what I found is that I didn't know who I could trust.

00:10:36.300 Every single meeting leaked.

00:10:38.500 Within half an hour of me saying something, it would be in the press.

00:10:43.500 So, what I discovered, and then when we moved forward with the mini budget, which was getting on with fracking, keeping taxes low, making it easier to build, all the things that would get the British economy going.

00:10:57.780 We then faced this Bank of England blaming me for the market crisis, which they'd caused by failing to regulate the pension industry.

00:11:08.540 And they essentially forced me to reverse those measures.

00:11:12.700 And they said that if I didn't reverse those measures, there would be a debt crisis in Britain.

00:11:21.960 We would not be able to fund our debt.

00:11:24.240 And we would have to go to the IMF.

00:11:25.820 These are the same people, though, said that England would be wiped out if you left the EU.

00:11:32.180 Of course.

00:11:32.380 Of course it's the same people.

00:11:33.840 And the same people who say net zero, you know, all of these green rules are going to help our economy when they're absolutely destroying the economy.

00:11:44.560 But the point is, the threat they made to me was credible, because I'd seen the way they were able to orchestrate the markets being concerned.

00:11:55.860 They were able to amplify that in the media.

00:12:00.900 They were using international figures.

00:12:03.660 I mean, Joe Biden criticized my budget.

00:12:06.920 There was criticism from the IMF.

00:12:08.340 You should have a T-shirt made with that.

00:12:11.020 Joe Biden criticized my budget.

00:12:13.260 He criticized it from an ice cream parlor in Oregon, no less, is where he criticized my budget from.

00:12:20.500 It's funny.

00:12:21.200 But, you know, what I found is, you know, the IMF were making comments about my budget, overseas politicians.

00:12:30.880 It was a network.

00:12:32.460 So it wasn't just the British state.

00:12:34.460 There was a network of people who believe in these ideas, you know, wokeism, environmental extremism, big government, high taxation.

00:12:47.140 How much of a do you?

00:12:47.660 Open borders.

00:12:49.220 And they were, you know, amplifying all of these messages.

00:12:53.020 So when I was threatened with the fact that I could be in the position that essentially the Labour government were in the 1970s when they had to go to the IMF cap and hand, I believed them because it was a credible threat.

00:13:06.960 So how much influence, how much of that is coming from the World Economic Forum?

00:13:16.220 Because it seems like that is, you know.

00:13:19.140 That is clearly a breeding ground.

00:13:22.000 Right.

00:13:22.380 And a network node for people of those views.

00:13:27.220 So take Mark Carney.

00:13:29.080 Now, Mark Carney was the governor of the Bank of England who printed money to a huge extent, creating inflation.

00:13:38.460 He was the one who created the pensions crisis in the first place by not regulating the pensions industry properly.

00:13:46.020 He's been a champion of net zero.

00:13:48.340 He's now gone to be the prime minister of Canada.

00:13:51.740 He's a World Economic Forum regular.

00:13:54.200 So you have people like that who move in these circles.

00:13:57.800 They move in and out of the financial sector.

00:14:01.660 They are believers in the technocracy.

00:14:07.100 They fundamentally believe that government should be run by experts who know best, which is them and their friends.

00:14:13.920 They do not believe that democracy is a bottom-up thing that should come from the people, be delivered by elected politicians.

00:14:23.900 And those elected politicians get voted in and out according to whether or not they're delivering.

00:14:29.420 That's the way things should work.

00:14:30.640 But those people do not fundamentally believe that.

00:14:33.000 So I want to come back to the new prime minister of Canada here in a minute.

00:14:38.640 But when you look at that system, I recently have wondered a couple of things.

00:14:51.900 When J.D. Vance comes over to Europe and gives a speech about freedom of speech, having some control over your borders, et cetera, et cetera,

00:15:02.680 all things that at any other time in world history, everybody go, you know, that's common sense, not with hatred or anything else.

00:15:10.280 Just I don't I I'm proud of my country.

00:15:14.480 That doesn't mean I think it's the greatest country, you know, and we've got to beat everybody else down.

00:15:19.580 But I'm proud of my heritage.

00:15:21.400 I'm proud of my country.

00:15:22.660 I'm proud of my history in Europe.

00:15:24.600 All of that is being destroyed.

00:15:25.940 It was being destroyed here as well.

00:15:27.980 And at some point, the people have had enough.

00:15:32.100 And if the elites up top don't respond to those people, it never ends well.

00:15:39.560 And you start to have the extremists rise up because if they won't listen.

00:15:47.060 Well, this Nazi over here, he'll he'll listen to you. 0.97

00:15:51.160 I'll fix it for you.

00:15:52.100 And you get these really wicked champions that that some people will go to.

00:15:59.160 I'm very concerned that.

00:16:03.340 This doesn't end well for Europe and maybe England, it wouldn't have ended well for us if we wouldn't have had this this opportunity to reset with Trump.

00:16:14.980 I'm not sure five years from now, we would have been a United States because you can only ignore and abuse the population and lie to them over and over again.

00:16:32.020 And sell them out in your case.

00:16:36.700 Give your country to what seems like is going to be an Islamic nation someday, not maybe not too far away. 1.00

00:16:47.460 You can only do that for so long before people say, no.

00:16:51.960 I I like England.

00:16:54.360 I like America.

00:16:55.800 People already people already think that in Britain.

00:16:58.800 So people voted for Brexit.

00:17:01.900 They voted for Boris in 2019 because they wanted control of our borders, because they were proud of our country, because they wanted to control their own lives.

00:17:14.300 You know, they voted against the Brussels bureaucrats.

00:17:17.460 I mean, the problem is they were replaced with British bureaucrats.

00:17:19.900 So they still had bureaucrats.

00:17:22.360 But the we had that with Republicans and Democrats that were interchangeable.

00:17:26.160 You're like, you know, this is the problem that whoever people vote for, the same people are still in charge.

00:17:33.140 The Mark Carney's of this world are still in charge, whoever you vote for.

00:17:37.460 And that has become the problem.

00:17:39.260 And if you look at Britain, all of Trump's policies poll positively, deporting illegal immigrants, cutting taxes, getting on with fracking and using our natural resources.

00:17:54.200 Those are all popular policies.

00:17:56.860 Drill, baby, drill. 1.00

00:17:57.600 The issue is that when people vote, they can't elect somebody who puts forward those policies.

00:18:06.500 But I see hope because I see what's happened in the United States.

00:18:11.240 I see what's happened with Javier Malay in Argentina.

00:18:14.320 It shows me that there can be a popular movement that takes on the blob, the deep state and succeeds.

00:18:26.140 And, you know, we're obviously in the early days of the Trump administration, but the direction is very positive and doge is being effective and real change is taking place.

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00:20:13.540 So let's pivot to the media here for a second.

00:20:16.080 Set the landscape up for me in comparison to America.

00:20:24.960 You know, they couldn't get rid of me and mainstream media fast enough.

00:20:30.140 And I said at the time, oh, you will pray for the day when I'm just on Fox because I'm

00:20:38.900 going to open a new door and we're going to get out of your system.

00:20:42.880 And we have crippled, not just me, but people like me.

00:20:47.200 We went online and we're entrepreneurs.

00:20:51.440 We're smarter than they are in many ways.

00:20:54.880 And we found ways to get our messages out.

00:20:58.440 Nobody respects the mainstream media anymore.

00:21:01.940 They're just not listening to it.

00:21:03.180 It still has some life to it.

00:21:04.640 But nobody believes it anymore.

00:21:07.000 It's so discredited.

00:21:09.160 Do you have, because you don't have, like, talk radios never existed that I understand

00:21:16.660 over in England.

00:21:17.860 Do you have enough outside media that can challenge the monstrosity of the BBC?

00:21:28.300 Not at present.

00:21:30.880 And if you look at the stats, 68% of people in Britain get their information from the BBC.

00:21:38.180 So it's still very dominant because it's funded by a poll tax on the people of Britain.

00:21:46.280 And because it's free to air and it's free online, people use it.

00:21:52.020 And so there are developing.

00:21:56.220 So we are seeing the development of independent media.

00:22:00.240 So people like Dan Wootten, who've left GB News, now has his own show.

00:22:06.640 There's a growing movement.

00:22:10.040 But I think we're considerably behind the US.

00:22:13.120 And the problem is, we have a regulator called Ofcom that not only regulates broadcast media,

00:22:21.620 they're also regulating online content.

00:22:25.460 And appallingly, this piece of legislation was put through under a conservative government.

00:22:31.820 Unbelievable.

00:22:32.360 Unbelievable.

00:22:33.440 So there are people who are out there doing things differently.

00:22:38.820 But what I am working on, which we want to launch this summer, is a new free speech media network that will be targeted at Europe.

00:22:48.480 The UK will also be available over here to actually tell the truth to people.

00:22:54.100 Because I cannot tell you how frustrated people in Britain are.

00:22:57.400 They're so angry about the media.

00:23:02.220 And when I was campaigning in the election, there would be constant complaints on the doorstep,

00:23:07.300 that they weren't being told the truth, and that things were being presented in a way that was completely false.

00:23:14.120 I mean, everything from the grooming gangs, to climate change and net zero, to political issues.

00:23:26.360 And people are being put in jail for things that they have posted on social media.

00:23:32.800 That is true.

00:23:33.500 When you, I mean, we see, you know, videos, Instagram, Twitter, whatever.

00:23:42.660 We see people being arrested in England for things that we know are human rights here in America,

00:23:54.900 even though we were really close to losing it ourself.

00:23:57.600 I, and I'm glad to hear you say this, and if you could expand a little bit,

00:24:03.340 because I don't think I'm the only American that feels this way.

00:24:06.040 I watch what's happening over in Europe and in England, and I just can't get past,

00:24:13.860 and maybe it's the American in me, but I don't think it is.

00:24:17.980 People are not going to stand here.

00:24:20.360 You can't let their children be raped and killed, and then ignore it, cover it up,

00:24:29.840 and then go and use the state against that person, that parent, or that person in the community that's like,

00:24:38.000 hey, guys, I'm fine with a lot of stuff, but not killing my children or raping our children.

00:24:45.580 I don't, I'm glad to hear you say that the average person, would you believe it's the average person in England,

00:24:54.620 knows what's going on, and it's like, I don't know what to do yet, but.

00:24:58.060 People are horrified, absolutely horrified by what has happened,

00:25:02.300 and we are talking about tens of thousands of girls being raped, as young as 11 and 12,

00:25:09.040 and being tortured, because that's what happened, and some of them being killed.

00:25:12.560 This is what's been going on, and.

00:25:15.560 Isn't Starmer, wasn't Starmer somehow another part of that cover-up?

00:25:18.580 He was, he was the director of public prosecutions, and what has happened has just not been investigated,

00:25:26.000 and what we know is we know that there was collusion with the police,

00:25:32.160 so we've now seen police officers being arrested, but being involved in the crimes themselves.

00:25:38.400 We know that we know that local councils and local councillors covered it up,

00:25:44.320 and we know that Labour politicians, in particular, turned a blind eye,

00:25:50.540 and they're still refusing to have a national inquiry into what has happened.

00:25:55.820 And I understand that this is still going on, that these crimes are still being perpetrated.

00:26:03.780 In fact, some of the original people that are jailed have now been let out of prison.

00:26:09.480 So, you know, we are in a situation in Britain where people are being punished more harshly

00:26:14.780 for posting things on Facebook and Twitter than they are for committing crimes,

00:26:21.520 and that is, it's an outrage.

00:26:24.520 And people, what's been happening is every few years, the issue emerges,

00:26:32.440 and a documentary is produced, and everybody says this is awful and it's terrible.

00:26:37.940 But what happens is the mainstream media, the BBC, just don't report on it very much.

00:26:42.560 So there's a channel called GB News that's done a pretty good job of raising the issue

00:26:48.580 and pushing it, and Elon Musk, you know, who I see as the leader of the opposition in Britain,

00:26:55.080 to be honest, you know, he's the one taking on Keir Starmer more than anybody

00:26:59.980 who's actually in Britain at the moment.

00:27:02.220 But the problem is, the way the media operate is they then have wall-to-wall coverage

00:27:08.280 on other issues.

00:27:09.960 So when this, some of the horrors of what had been done to these girls

00:27:16.120 were coming out in the media, the BBC reported on spat with Elon Musk.

00:27:22.740 So they weren't talking about what happened to the victims,

00:27:25.020 they were talking about a spat with Elon Musk.

00:27:26.860 And the number one story was the LA fires.

00:27:32.580 Now, of course, we all care about the LA fires,

00:27:34.780 but there's a deliberate attempt to push and suppress things down the news agenda.

00:27:41.440 So it's not like they don't ever talk about it.

00:27:43.860 It's just suppressed.

00:27:45.700 And so people move on and they think about something else.

00:27:48.900 And that is what has happened.

00:27:51.480 Are you, is there a real legitimate or not legitimate,

00:27:58.260 capable movement at all being formed to give freedom of speech back online?

00:28:06.780 Because if you don't have that, I mean, we were close to losing it,

00:28:11.560 but we never got anywhere close to where you guys are now.

00:28:15.640 Well, the thing is, though, the Labour government have tried.

00:28:19.400 But what they're unable to do is regulate the internet.

00:28:22.060 And they're unable to cancel X.

00:28:25.440 So they're not going to succeed.

00:28:27.340 They're not going to succeed.

00:28:28.500 And I know J.D. Vance and President Trump will take a very dim view of the UK if that happens.

00:28:36.020 So that is our strength in the battle against the censors.

00:28:43.240 And for those people who are engaged on X, they can see what's actually happening.

00:28:49.660 And what we want to do with our new free speech network is add more content to that,

00:28:55.640 give people more of a voice and develop the type of ecosystem you've got in the US with your show,

00:29:05.960 with organizations like with Steve Bannon, with the whole Joe Rogan.

00:29:11.940 That is the type of media ecosystem that Europe needs.

00:29:16.900 And this censorship isn't just going on in Britain.

00:29:19.420 Oh, I know.

00:29:19.740 I mean, you can be arrested in Germany for hurty words.

00:29:22.380 I know.

00:29:22.740 You know, the French are trying to close down particular TV channels.

00:29:26.660 This is a project which is supported by the elites that we've just been talking about.

00:29:33.580 And if you remember, Hillary Clinton was challenging the First Amendment. 0.96

00:29:37.880 You know, this is not just...

00:29:41.520 I know.

00:29:41.900 And by the way, USAID was funding the BBC.

00:29:45.920 I know.

00:29:46.580 And it was funding the Tony Blair Institute.

00:29:48.980 No, no, no.

00:29:49.260 We're just doing charity.

00:29:51.660 That's all that organization is.

00:29:53.580 This is not a...

00:29:55.620 This is something the global left have been pushing to promote their agenda.

00:30:01.720 And what the agenda here on the grooming gangs is this failure to challenge Islamism in Britain. 0.60

00:30:11.020 That is what is behind it.

00:30:13.400 So help me out on this.

00:30:14.940 Because in America, we got to a point to where you can be incompetent, but you can't be incompetent and have it fall against the interest of the country and stability every single time.

00:30:33.600 Once in a while, it's got to be like, oh, well, that one's in our favor if you're incompetent.

00:30:36.960 We got to a place in America where you're like, I can't explain this anymore.

00:30:42.140 You have, you know, for instance, our immigration problems, but our immigration problems, as big as the numbers are, it's still not the kind of immigration problem that you have and you're getting everything from the Middle East. 0.98

00:30:54.320 And you can't reasonably look at that and then look at the leadership of Europe and England and say, well, no, they have their heart in the right place.

00:31:07.800 They're just mistaken on this.

00:31:10.000 There is no way that what's happening is making a better, stronger Europe and Western culture.

00:31:18.900 You're erasing it.

00:31:20.780 Yeah.

00:31:20.920 And this is because it's a puzzle, isn't it?

00:31:24.020 Yeah.

00:31:24.480 Why are the Islamists on the same side as the transgender ideologues? 0.78

00:31:30.020 You know, it doesn't make any sense when they are concerned about gay people, whereas, you know, the transgender ideologues want to promote transgender rights.

00:31:42.220 It doesn't make any sense.

00:31:43.380 You know, why did Greta Thunberg go from being an environmental activist to campaigning in favor of Hamas? 1.00

00:31:51.180 You know, why are all these things connected?

00:31:52.940 And the thing that connects them all is it's a hatred of Western civilization.

00:31:57.740 Yes.

00:31:58.160 What they hate is they hate the things that made our countries great.

00:32:03.240 Free speech, individual liberty, the family, the nation state.

00:32:09.180 Those are the things they hate.

00:32:10.540 And this is why it's connected with Black Lives Matter and the anti-colonial movement.

00:32:16.140 We've got a foreign secretary that has advocated paying reparations for slavery, even though Britain led the world against slavery.

00:32:25.260 So you've got this collection of people.

00:32:28.800 And the thing that they've got in common is they hate Western civilization.

00:32:32.940 They hate Israel.

00:32:34.380 They hate the United Kingdom.

00:32:36.280 They hate the United States.

00:32:38.140 But what is the end game for the average MP that is like, I don't know.

00:32:46.740 I mean, do they just want to see it burn to the ground?

00:32:50.500 Well, there's a lot of useful idiots.

00:32:52.660 There's a lot of people who just go along with it to get along.

00:32:56.340 And, you know, the amount of times when I fought these battles, whether it was fighting transgender ideology, whether it was fighting net zeroes. 0.94

00:33:05.640 And people would just say, Liz, you're on the wrong side of history, you know, get with a program.

00:33:09.920 You're on the wrong side of history.

00:33:11.100 And I said, you're not on the wrong side of history if you're affirming that a biological male is a biological.

00:33:17.800 I'm on the right side of biology.

00:33:19.800 We're not on the wrong side of history here.

00:33:22.040 But that was the there was a lot of people.

00:33:24.280 And that's true in the corporate sector as well.

00:33:27.440 Or in the police service, who would just go along because it was fashionable.

00:33:31.600 But there is a there is an ideological heart to this movement, which started in the universities and expanded, you know, into this global network.

00:33:41.760 And the issue is that those people themselves aren't affected by the consequences of their policies because they're working for the government.

00:33:50.860 They're paid by a very rich NGO, which is funded by USAID.

00:33:57.120 They're part of the system and they benefit from the system.

00:34:00.640 And look, you know, people like Mark Carney has made a huge amount of money out of it.

00:34:06.200 You know, so have people like Bill Gates.

00:34:09.860 You know, it's all part of the same ecosystem.

00:34:13.360 You track it down no matter where you are in the world.

00:34:16.080 It's the ordinary people in countries like Britain who see their industries decline, who are seeing their towns getting worse and worse,

00:34:24.580 who find it harder and harder to own property, who find it harder and harder to get opportunities.

00:34:31.740 Those are the people that are suffering.

00:34:33.200 But they're not the people with a voice because, you know, we talked about control of the mainstream media,

00:34:39.760 control of the senior heights of the state and the bureaucracy.

00:34:44.140 Those are the people that are part of the system.

00:34:47.000 So this is now in all of our countries.

00:34:50.040 It's not a conservative versus liberal debate.

00:34:52.960 It's a system versus anti-system.

00:34:55.580 Yeah.

00:34:55.820 It's establishment versus anti-establishment.

00:34:59.500 I think it's people, regular people against the elites.

00:35:02.940 I mean, I don't I'm not an anti-establishment.

00:35:05.380 I'm not I'm none of that.

00:35:06.240 But the establishment is now left wing.

00:35:08.060 And this is what so many conservatives don't understand, that it used to be that, you know, doctors, teachers, senior government officials were conservative.

00:35:20.940 They wanted to protect our way of life.

00:35:23.560 Yeah.

00:35:24.020 Whereas what's happened is a lot of those people have now been captured by the left.

00:35:27.420 And that's what's changed.

00:35:28.480 It is why, you know, after 9-11, America paused for a second and we all thought we were on the same team.

00:35:38.860 We all thought here in America, you love a country.

00:35:41.620 I love our country.

00:35:43.020 Let's do the right thing and just come together.

00:35:46.720 And we would, you know, you had people who are on the exact opposite sides of everything come together.

00:35:52.400 And we actually believed that we all kind of believed in we hold these truths to be self-evident, you know, that all men are we don't. 0.62

00:36:03.960 And it's taken us now all this time.

00:36:07.500 And really, Donald Trump just throwing hand grenades into rooms.

00:36:11.260 And then the wall comes down.

00:36:12.720 You're like, what the heck is behind that wall?

00:36:14.940 Well, it's taken us a while, but I think America, at least a good portion of us, is awake now going, no, no, no.

00:36:26.140 We don't all agree on the same thing.

00:36:28.820 And if you can't give me the Bill of Rights, then we have nothing in common.

00:36:34.660 And our vice president was over in Europe, and you had the foreign, I think it was the foreign secretary in Germany, cry that America, because J.D. Vance spoke about the freedom of speech, the foreign secretary of Germany stands up crying.

00:36:53.480 First of all, did Germans cry? 0.99

00:36:55.160 I've never seen that before.

00:36:56.200 But crying and saying, you know, I guess we just don't have in common what we used to.

00:37:02.900 To me, that says, I don't know how to view you as an ally anymore.

00:37:10.560 If we don't have freedom of speech, you know, if we don't have these basic principles in common, how long can we be allies?

00:37:23.340 The thing to know about Europe, though, is it is currently being run by socialists.

00:37:29.500 So you've got a socialist government in Britain, a socialist government in France.

00:37:35.660 You're still going to have the socialists in a coalition in Germany, because even though people voted right, because the CDU won't do a deal with the AFD, you're still going to have the socialists in government.

00:37:52.420 And that's what America used to be like last year.

00:37:55.180 But there was a time where socialists, maybe we all just pretended or closed our eyes, that even socialists, we could disagree with Democrats or socialists and say, you know, you just want a bigger health care system.

00:38:13.220 Yeah, that's true.

00:38:13.860 They were patriots.

00:38:14.740 They were patriots.

00:38:15.940 Right, but it's not now that way.

00:38:17.620 People like Harold Wilson was a patriot.

00:38:21.000 Whereas what I think happened, and this happened in the 1990s in Britain, but the Blair government fundamentally changed that.

00:38:29.820 And they did it by the back door.

00:38:31.600 They introduced the human rights laws.

00:38:33.820 They introduced the climate change laws.

00:38:35.520 They parceled all this power over to the unelected bureaucracy, and the essential nature of socialism or what they represented changed.

00:38:49.120 And that is the battle we have now.

00:38:51.940 And it's why in America you've seen people like Tulsi Gabbard and JFK come on board with Trump.

00:39:00.100 Right.

00:39:00.480 Because it's a different set of voters.

00:39:03.280 It's the working voters across America.

00:39:08.780 The same thing is happening in Europe.

00:39:11.420 What the problem is, is that has not translated yet into a change of who's in charge of the country.

00:39:18.060 So you've got the people.

00:39:19.940 Lots of people applauded what J.D. Vance said in Britain.

00:39:23.940 They love it.

00:39:25.340 You wouldn't hear that.

00:39:26.460 You wouldn't hear that on any of the British media.

00:39:28.580 No.

00:39:28.860 Because people are scared of speaking out.

00:39:33.300 They're literally worried about being arrested.

00:39:35.460 We had a journalist called on at the weekend by the police because of a tweet that she had deleted a year ago.

00:39:43.440 So people are worried about it.

00:39:47.340 They are frustrated about it.

00:39:49.000 They feel they can't say what they think.

00:39:51.600 And you are seeing a rising movement in Britain.

00:39:56.360 We now have, for the first time ever, I think, tractors in Westminster and Whitehall because the farmers are so angry.

00:40:05.720 You know, we had people rioting.

00:40:07.420 We have people rioting because of the failure to deal properly with the appalling terrorist attack in Southport.

00:40:16.260 So you are seeing the emergence, I think, of a movement of very frustrated people.

00:40:24.340 I just think that America has been ahead of that.

00:40:28.320 And frankly, a lot of these bad ideas actually came from America in the first place.

00:40:31.500 Oh, I know.

00:40:31.960 Like transgender ideology. 1.00

00:40:34.140 You know, the lionization of Stonewall and the funding of Stonewall, which has been so destructive around the world.

00:40:40.740 Those things came from the United States.

00:40:42.900 I mean, I know.

00:40:44.940 Our history is.

00:40:46.280 Maybe we should bill you for all of that.

00:40:49.500 Do you like that?

00:40:49.720 It'll all work out with tariffs.

00:40:50.380 I will go back to J.D. Barnes and say, you know, we need to bill you for the damage you have caused with this dubious ideology.

00:40:57.860 I will tell you that that's the one thing I think that has been really good out of this is I think conservatives here in America have been willing to say,

00:41:12.040 at least to some degree, not to the insane degree, but to say, wow, you know what, we've really done some bad things.

00:41:21.220 We've really I mean, our progressivism and eugenics. 0.95

00:41:25.040 I mean, you guys were involved in that, too.

00:41:26.720 But America is the one that shipped it over to Germany and then they took it.

00:41:30.300 And then we shipped all those people with Operation Paperclip back here.

00:41:34.320 I mean, we've been a source of some really bad things.

00:41:37.660 And in this case, I can't believe how we've led the way and this transgenderism. 1.00

00:41:44.680 When Sweden and France, we're always told we should be more like Sweden for the first time in my life.

00:41:51.720 I'm like, yes, we should.

00:41:54.180 When they're turning on these things years before America does.

00:41:59.200 Yeah, it's it shows you how sick we have become.

00:42:03.300 We'll continue our conversation here in just a second.

00:42:08.700 First, let me talk to you about Medicare costs.

00:42:10.940 They are a silent thief.

00:42:13.340 Thousands of your dollars just vanish if you pick the wrong plan.

00:42:18.560 You know, I talked to some people that just started a company called Chapter.

00:42:23.220 And I was shocked to find out things like, I mean, if you pick the wrong plan, you you can't go back into a better plan.

00:42:37.060 You make a mistake.

00:42:37.860 You got one shot.

00:42:38.960 And it's terrifying how many people who are funded, honestly, by insurance companies and scams that are trying to convince you to get into a plan that is most likely wrong for you.

00:42:55.860 But you don't know because it's the the the the politicians have made everything so complex.

00:43:02.600 Lex, please, I want you to check out Chapter.

00:43:06.460 They don't just guide you.

00:43:07.880 They search every plan from every carrier with technology that is so sharp it cuts through all of the noise.

00:43:14.340 This was this was started by.

00:43:17.860 Well, the founder, his parents were just they got onto Medicare and then they were just toast.

00:43:24.360 They got onto the wrong plan and he didn't want to see it.

00:43:27.140 And everybody now that works there is the same thing.

00:43:29.320 They're like, this happened to my parents.

00:43:30.740 I don't want it to happen to anybody else's.

00:43:33.020 So I want you to dial pound 250.

00:43:35.440 Say the keyword chapter.

00:43:36.860 That's pound 250 keyword chapter or go to ask chapter dot org slash back.

00:43:43.220 You have one chance at this.

00:43:44.960 Make it count.

00:43:48.280 Let me go to Canada for a second.

00:43:54.640 I don't think they like us very much right now, but.

00:44:00.740 Canada scares the crap out of me because of made and some of the things that we've seen in the past that never go well.

00:44:09.660 And now the new prime minister, I don't even know how the system works, but the new prime minister.

00:44:14.900 Nobody's ever voted for him.

00:44:16.560 Not a single person has voted for him.

00:44:18.060 And now he's the prime minister.

00:44:20.600 He's terrifying in the things that he believes.

00:44:24.840 What happens to Canada?

00:44:26.980 I mean, I think it is extraordinary that Mark Carney has become the prime minister of Canada.

00:44:32.220 He did a terrible job in Britain of the governorship of the Bank of England.

00:44:36.860 And he created a lot of the problems that blew up on my watch and that I got blamed for were actually created by him.

00:44:43.700 He backed Labour in the election and Rachel Reeves's policies, which are leading the country to bankruptcy.

00:44:51.580 So why on earth the Liberal Party of Canada has selected this man?

00:44:55.740 I have no idea.

00:44:57.620 And I think it is illegitimate that this guy has never been elected as a member of parliament in Canada.

00:45:05.020 I mean, I'm, you know, I'm utterly puzzled.

00:45:07.560 And, you know, the Canadians.

00:45:11.240 Now, I'm not going to tell the Canadians how to vote.

00:45:14.000 Obviously, I want the Conservatives to be elected, to be elected in Canada.

00:45:18.420 But I think it's, it's, Justin Trudeau has pursued a lot of the same policies that Europe has been pursuing.

00:45:28.520 And America has raced ahead of us.

00:45:31.380 Back at the turn of the millennium, the average Brit was catching up with the average American in terms of income per head.

00:45:39.520 We are now $34,000 a year behind.

00:45:42.920 We are poorer than Mississippi, which is the poorest American state.

00:45:47.640 And the same is true. 0.93

00:45:49.040 The same is true of France and Germany and to some extent of Canada, because they pursued all of these woke policies.

00:45:57.780 High taxes, high spending, not using their natural resources.

00:46:03.280 And Justin Trudeau was the architect of that.

00:46:05.740 And, of course, Mark Carney has been the advocate of these policies.

00:46:10.660 So I don't know what is going on in Canada.

00:46:13.600 But in the same way as I think people in Britain need to wake up to what the real threat to our country is, I think they need to wake up in Canada.

00:46:22.600 You know, Trump's one of the best negotiators in the world.

00:46:28.000 Love him or hate him.

00:46:29.080 He is an amazing negotiator.

00:46:31.380 And early on, I learned, don't take him literally.

00:46:37.320 You know what I mean?

00:46:37.820 He's not saying things and he means them literally.

00:46:40.480 But you should take them seriously.

00:46:43.860 You know, he doesn't want Canada to be the 51st state.

00:46:47.080 I mean, if they did it, I'm sure he'd be like, yeah, come on in.

00:46:49.900 But that's his negotiation and everything else.

00:46:54.360 Because this one's getting a little dicey with Canada.

00:46:57.180 And I think it's because of Trudeau.

00:46:59.480 He, I think, would like to hammer Trudeau and his party into the ground.

00:47:06.880 But are we in a place to where Canada and America are going to be at odds for really the first time since like 1812?

00:47:20.640 But I do think the situation in Canada is similar to the situation in Europe.

00:47:27.740 So Canada have not been spending on defence.

00:47:30.780 They haven't been.

00:47:32.020 They've been free riding.

00:47:33.900 They have huge tariffs.

00:47:35.480 And one of my previous roles was International Trade Secretary.

00:47:38.960 I negotiated with Canada.

00:47:41.240 They have things like 230% on their dairy.

00:47:44.420 So they are very protectionist of their own industry.

00:47:47.660 And where I think Trump has got a point, and I know more about the European situation, the Canadian situation, is that there can no longer be a situation where other countries free ride off the United States.

00:48:03.060 We can't afford it.

00:48:04.700 We can't afford it.

00:48:05.600 But also, it's not actually good for the free riders.

00:48:08.920 Because what's happened in Europe, we've got massive welfare dependency.

00:48:14.240 You know, our towns and cities are going downhill because we've de-industrialised.

00:48:18.960 There's no pride in having to have America bail us out.

00:48:24.660 I don't want to live in that kind of country.

00:48:26.160 I want to live in a successful, thriving Britain that pays its own way.

00:48:30.860 And people in Canada should want to live in a successful, thriving Canada that's paying its own way.

00:48:36.980 And that hasn't been happening.

00:48:38.620 Do you think that there's anybody in Europe that really understands that what Trump is really saying is our policies of being involved in everybody else's business has not been working out well for America a lot of the times?

00:48:59.820 Well, that you've been involving yourselves in other people's business in a bad way by funding stuff for USAID.

00:49:05.440 Oh, no, I know.

00:49:06.300 I mean, that's part of it.

00:49:07.580 That's part of it, though.

00:49:08.620 That's why I think Trump is like, get rid of all that.

00:49:11.980 Because all of this, whether we're doing it through our USAID or we're doing it with our military, you know, 30 years ago, I used to believe that, yes, we should stand up and we can help plant democracy.

00:49:29.060 You cannot give freedom to people.

00:49:31.900 They have to want it and earn it.

00:49:34.360 You can be with them, but you can't lead that.

00:49:37.420 And we've tried to lead this.

00:49:39.340 And it's been a series of disasters.

00:49:41.160 Disasters.

00:49:41.560 It's been absolutely disastrous.

00:49:42.920 Disasters.

00:49:43.140 If you look at Afghanistan.

00:49:44.720 Disaster.

00:49:45.000 It's been a disaster.

00:49:46.060 Yeah.

00:49:46.600 So what Trump, I think, is saying to Europe is, look, we're changing the course that we've been on for 100 years in America.

00:49:55.660 It doesn't work.

00:49:56.760 Two, you know, we were rebuilding Europe when NATO started.

00:50:03.320 We wanted and needed to rebuild Europe so you guys could get on your feet. 0.94

00:50:08.960 But we're barely on our feet right now.

00:50:12.640 And we're not going to continue to fund all of this stuff.

00:50:18.000 It's not good for Europe.

00:50:21.860 I have no problem.

00:50:22.680 If Europe says we're going to bring Ukraine into, not NATO, but your own little thing, that's fine. 0.93

00:50:31.040 But we shouldn't have to carry the lion's share of the responsibility of what happens with that.

00:50:43.960 Do you understand what I'm saying?

00:50:45.440 I do.

00:50:46.060 Yeah.

00:50:46.320 I do.

00:50:46.800 I think what we're seeing is we're seeing all of these institutions and ideas that were invented after the Second World War.

00:50:54.500 It's over.

00:50:54.660 They're not working anymore.

00:50:55.820 Yes.

00:50:56.120 They're not working.

00:50:56.840 I mean, the United Nations, I mean, the United Nations Security Council, when you look at who's on it, China, Russia.

00:51:03.680 Iran.

00:51:04.300 It's not credible.

00:51:04.660 It's not a credible organisation and it's not a credible way of organising the world.

00:51:10.840 And the fact is, the number one threat is China.

00:51:13.160 We know that.

00:51:14.800 I mean, I think there's a real threat of Islamism in Europe as well. 0.99

00:51:17.820 Yes.

00:51:18.260 And it would be a disaster if that is allowed to grow.

00:51:21.800 Yes.

00:51:22.180 That is the major threat to us.

00:51:23.900 But the major threat to the world is China, who are allying themselves with Iran, allying themselves with Russia. 0.96

00:51:31.620 And that is what we collectively have to take on.

00:51:36.320 But we need to do it as nation states.

00:51:38.380 And the problem with all of these organisations, like the United Nations and like the sort of the global aid industry that's developed and has been so opaque.

00:51:50.600 Yeah.

00:51:50.800 I mean, I was shocked by all the things that were coming out of USAID.

00:51:56.380 Is what they've done is they've taken power away and responsibility away from nation states.

00:52:01.900 And they've weakened them.

00:52:03.080 Right.

00:52:03.540 And that has been a disaster.

00:52:05.240 And politicians.

00:52:06.020 And our adversaries aren't doing that.

00:52:07.240 Our adversaries, like China, they're keeping absolute control of what goes on in China. 0.99

00:52:12.060 Yeah.

00:52:12.320 But they're using the UN, they're using the World Health Organisation to try and control everybody else.

00:52:19.820 Mm-hmm.

00:52:20.780 And you're watching this happen.

00:52:23.740 And I think, I'm hoping that the rest of the world, and even America, begins to understand what Trump is doing

00:52:33.580 is disrupting the entire system that was put together after World War II.

00:52:42.200 It worked for a while, but it's no longer, none of this works.

00:52:49.140 And if we want to survive, we all have to stand on our own two feet.

00:52:53.620 And I don't, I mean, I saw COVID, you saw COVID.

00:52:58.120 Here in America, when you'd walk into a store a year into it, and you'd say, hey, I want to get, and they'd say, that'll be probably six months before.

00:53:07.080 No American, at least my age and below, had ever seen shortages.

00:53:14.540 And that's when it dawned on us, we are in danger because everything's coming from China now. 1.00

00:53:23.120 And they're going to be our number one enemy.

00:53:26.400 They already are.

00:53:27.960 That's a bad thing.

00:53:28.940 We all have to redevelop our industrial base so each nation can stand on its own.

00:53:36.140 Totally correct.

00:53:37.000 It's crazy.

00:53:37.820 Totally correct.

00:53:39.240 And the thing is that Europe has not just been using the U.S. for defense subsidy.

00:53:45.260 It's also been getting cheap goods from China, oil and gas from Russia.

00:53:49.520 Right.

00:53:50.200 And becoming a welfare state that is subsidized by others.

00:53:56.940 That's not, that's not the future for our country.

00:54:00.040 So if you feel that there are Europeans and British citizens who understand this, they are, they are, they've had enough and they're, they're, they're still kind of a little afraid.

00:54:15.640 Who, who do you have that is in the ranks that, I mean, Trump is the first president in maybe a hundred years that is going to leave office much more poor than he entered office.

00:54:31.480 He has been shot at.

00:54:33.620 He has been vilified.

00:54:36.100 They've gone after, they've gone after everything.

00:54:38.420 And I think he is unique, at least in America right now, is going, bring it on.

00:54:46.240 I am no longer afraid of any of you.

00:54:50.380 Who do you see rising up that, that, that people can rally around and that can connect over in Europe?

00:54:58.940 Because I'm not, that's what my hope was with you.

00:55:01.800 I think it's worth, it's worth understanding that people are frustrated, they're angry, they hate what's happening, but they don't yet fully understand why it's happening.

00:55:15.340 Thus, the BBC.

00:55:17.320 The first, the first thing is that people link what is going wrong with our countries with the policies the elite have been pursuing.

00:55:28.300 And the fact that it's not just politicians in Britain, in fact, politicians are just, you know, the top of the cake.

00:55:34.420 There's a massive cake underneath of the bureaucracy, which is actually more powerful than the politicians.

00:55:39.400 And people like Keir Starmer are just spokesmen for the bureaucracy.

00:55:42.080 Obviously, that's the reality.

00:55:43.840 And that's what people in Britain and, you know, in wider Europe have to understand.

00:55:50.460 Now, there is nobody like Donald Trump.

00:55:54.020 I would point out in, in, in Argentina, they've got Javier Malay.

00:55:59.120 So it's possible to have different types of people who do that.

00:56:02.600 But I think the way you get those people is by creating a movement.

00:56:07.200 And we need people who are running businesses in Britain to get involved in politics.

00:56:13.640 You know, we need people like, you know, our version of Elon Musk, our version of our, you know, there needs to be a coalition of people.

00:56:21.460 I think that's the other learning from Trump's first term is that there was a team of people and that he is a great communicator.

00:56:29.360 He's relying on people like Musk to actually deliver stuff.

00:56:33.640 And in Britain at the moment, there is a very weak bench.

00:56:37.640 There's a weak bench, if you look at Parliament, of who's actually available to do stuff.

00:56:42.880 So who is...

00:56:43.320 So all of that needs to be built up.

00:56:45.700 And...

00:56:46.300 And I think that takes time.

00:56:49.200 Do you think that's why they are taking on social media and everything so strong?

00:56:54.760 Because that's, that was the key here.

00:56:56.500 I mean, I remember in 2008, when all this started, you know, coming to the fore.

00:57:02.180 They're very scared.

00:57:03.600 Labour are very scared.

00:57:05.220 They're very scared of Nigel Farage and reform.

00:57:08.040 They're very scared of, you know, the online right, as they call them.

00:57:13.480 So that suggests to me, yes, that is where the threat is coming from.

00:57:16.660 Can I ask you about the online right?

00:57:19.120 In America, we kind of went on our own track.

00:57:22.080 And back in the 30s, we were kind of pulled back on that European track, which, as I see European left and right, it's communism, fascism.

00:57:30.640 And freedom is somewhere in the middle, you know what I mean?

00:57:34.980 Where we have totalitarianism, that can be any kind of total government, and anarchy, you know what I mean?

00:57:43.020 Yeah.

00:57:43.380 So we don't have a left and right here, like you guys have.

00:57:47.740 That's the true American version. 0.81

00:57:50.840 We have been pulled into this European kind of left and right communism, fascism.

00:57:57.920 But our American constitution is anarchy, total freedom that goes into anarchy, and total control.

00:58:07.320 I don't know how to judge.

00:58:13.380 Like, for instance, I see this stuff coming from, what is it, the AFD in Germany.

00:58:21.720 And a lot of the stuff that I read, I'm like, well, okay, that makes sense.

00:58:27.800 But then you'll read things like, oh, and by the way, they have celebrations for Hitler all the time.

00:58:32.280 And you don't know what's true, because I don't trust our own press to get things right, let alone over in Europe.

00:58:41.760 But what I also find is that Americans believe European media more than they believe their own media.

00:58:49.880 So people will quote things to me from the British press, which is just totally untrue.

00:58:54.200 Well, the BBC, it's because you have British accents, so everything sounds more credible.

00:58:59.780 Exactly, but it's not true.

00:59:01.940 Right, I know that.

00:59:03.060 You have an overuse of the...

00:59:04.560 I've spent a lot of time telling people that stuff is not true.

00:59:08.480 And I don't know the answer to that question about what is true, about what's said about the AFD, and what isn't true.

00:59:17.340 What I know is that people in Germany are hugely frustrated, and they're basically getting more of the same at every election, which is exactly the same as happening in Britain.

00:59:27.660 Yeah.

00:59:27.840 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from Winners, I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners?

00:59:37.600 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. 1.00

00:59:40.320 Are those from Winners?

00:59:41.840 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.

00:59:44.320 Did she pay full price?

00:59:45.660 Or that leather tote?

00:59:46.680 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:59:47.900 Or those knee-high boots?

00:59:49.340 That dress?

00:59:50.120 That jacket?

00:59:50.800 Those shoes?

00:59:51.820 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:59:54.760 Stop wondering.

00:59:56.040 Start winning.

00:59:56.820 Winners.

00:59:57.380 Find fabulous for less.

01:00:00.580 That's a little frightening that you don't know for sure what to think of that party.

01:00:07.740 Because, you know, here in America, I know I love, I've been, you know, 2008, I'm at Fox, and I'm kind of discovering these networks and everything else because nothing made sense anymore.

01:00:25.200 And it's that ability to question, and it's that ability to question and even be wrong at times, but question and educate society.

01:00:34.900 When you can't have an honest dialogue about what does this party really mean, are they good, are they bad?

01:00:46.320 You know, what's really happening?

01:00:47.180 You can't build that truth.

01:00:50.520 But this is why Europe needs a much freer media.

01:00:56.880 That is the only way you get to the truth.

01:00:59.440 It's the only way you get to the truth.

01:01:00.980 Is to actually have these discussions.

01:01:04.400 And, you know, I know much more about what's going on in Britain than I do in Germany.

01:01:09.460 But there's so much misinformation around, you know, political parties in Britain, movements in Britain.

01:01:18.160 And, you know, we were talking about the grooming gangs earlier.

01:01:21.220 There's so much falsehoods, you know, just across, across the media more broadly.

01:01:28.860 How is, outside of the media, how is America viewed?

01:01:36.960 How is Donald Trump viewed?

01:01:38.780 How are the conservatives viewed?

01:01:40.400 Are we just all insane to them over there?

01:01:44.760 You've got to understand that the British elite doesn't like America full stop.

01:01:50.500 You know, they don't.

01:01:51.740 Yeah, I got that.

01:01:52.040 And they, you know, they think America is a country that just produces chlorinated chicken and hormone-injected beef and...

01:01:59.520 Which we do and we're waking up to.

01:02:01.400 And they see America as a right-wing country.

01:02:05.180 And the British elite that we've just been talking about is inherently left-wing.

01:02:10.400 And they are dominant in the media.

01:02:13.480 They're dominant in the civil service.

01:02:15.540 They're dominant in London.

01:02:17.580 So that is why you will hear all of those noises.

01:02:21.080 But if you speak to regular people around Britain, a lot of them want a Trump-style revolution.

01:02:30.020 They'd vote for Donald Trump if he was available in Britain.

01:02:33.420 Now, on the war in Ukraine, there's probably more support for Ukraine in Britain than there is in America.

01:02:42.000 Because people see it's a direct threat to us.

01:02:45.560 Yes.

01:02:45.780 You know, they're worried about...

01:02:46.580 That makes sense to me.

01:02:47.540 They're worried about Russian expansionism.

01:02:49.300 Correct.

01:02:49.460 It's a direct threat to us.

01:02:50.680 But, you know, everybody in Britain...

01:02:54.400 People are talking about a British doge.

01:02:56.780 People are talking about why can't we have this kind of...

01:02:59.500 These policies on illegal immigration.

01:03:01.800 I mean, immigration is the number one issue in Britain.

01:03:04.460 People want deportations of foreign criminals.

01:03:08.940 That is what they want.

01:03:09.840 Is it going to happen?

01:03:10.540 So, not under this government.

01:03:13.240 Of course it's not.

01:03:13.780 We've got a human rights lawyer in charge.

01:03:15.780 But I believe by 2029, it will happen.

01:03:21.420 I think that's the most likely scenario in Britain.

01:03:26.380 That this movement is bubbling up.

01:03:28.620 That people are getting increasingly clear about what the problem is.

01:03:33.520 And I think there will be a massive vote for change in 2029.

01:03:37.420 And we can see what's happened in America, which is a lot of people who didn't vote before,

01:03:41.720 come out and vote because they're so frustrated.

01:03:43.780 So, then I have to bring you back to kind of where we started,

01:03:47.920 which is, you've said it's a failed state.

01:03:52.140 I don't know if we would have been able to turn this around

01:03:56.740 had Donald Trump not won this time.

01:04:01.180 Our spending is absolutely insane.

01:04:05.580 It has to stop.

01:04:06.940 We're not going to be able to afford the interest on this debt very, very soon.

01:04:10.880 The virus that was planted so deep into the system that was just eating and rotting everything.

01:04:22.900 If we wouldn't have been doing Doge right now,

01:04:25.560 if we wouldn't have been turning the corner on some of the really insane things that we're doing,

01:04:30.140 if we wouldn't have been able to say,

01:04:32.760 hey, our military is kind of important and the guys are all in dresses, what is happening to us?

01:04:41.360 That was crazy.

01:04:42.140 That was crazy.

01:04:42.820 That was crazy.

01:04:43.460 We didn't go that far in Britain.

01:04:44.640 I know.

01:04:44.880 That was crazy, honestly.

01:04:45.920 Oh, we were on the crazy train.

01:04:49.560 But if we wouldn't have turned it around this time,

01:04:52.280 I'm not sure we could have turned it around in 2028 here.

01:04:57.660 I agree with you.

01:04:59.400 I agree with you.

01:05:00.360 And this is why.

01:05:01.200 But can you turn it around in 2029?

01:05:03.440 I wrote a book called 10 Years to Save the West last year because I was so concerned

01:05:07.780 about what was happening in America, in Europe,

01:05:13.240 these terrible ideologies infecting our entire systems.

01:05:18.480 And that's why I said there's a 10-year timeline.

01:05:20.340 If we do not turn this around within 10 years, the West is finished and our adversaries will have won.

01:05:28.140 Donald Trump getting elected was the first turning point.

01:05:32.300 It was.

01:05:32.620 That was the first turning point.

01:05:33.740 And let's be honest, it's the most important.

01:05:36.320 It's the biggest, most powerful part of the West.

01:05:39.040 So that is a good start.

01:05:40.800 And I think that that gives people in Europe hope.

01:05:46.840 A lot of people in Europe are talking about make Europe great again.

01:05:50.100 That is a thing.

01:05:51.680 They are talking about it because they understand what Donald Trump is trying to do in America.

01:05:57.660 and want the same thing for Europe.

01:05:59.940 So I think there is momentum.

01:06:02.000 There's momentum.

01:06:03.220 We talked about the leftist network.

01:06:05.920 There is now momentum around an international conservative movement.

01:06:12.740 Mega.

01:06:14.140 Mega.

01:06:14.800 Mega.

01:06:15.100 That actually wants to change things.

01:06:16.620 And one of the things I want to do is host a British CPAC.

01:06:21.120 So we start getting an injection.

01:06:23.500 You don't have anything like that?

01:06:25.480 No.

01:06:26.600 We don't.

01:06:27.820 We don't have an independent media.

01:06:29.800 We don't have a British CPAC.

01:06:31.260 These are all the things we need.

01:06:32.980 Yeah.

01:06:33.440 To.

01:06:34.800 It is.

01:06:35.260 It's amazing.

01:06:35.860 My family.

01:06:36.820 And we're going to have big American hair, by the way.

01:06:38.920 I love British CPAC.

01:06:39.880 We're going to get the American hair in. 0.54

01:06:41.520 I was over in Great Britain last summer, the summer before last, and we went to Scotland

01:06:51.480 and then we went to London for a week and just thoroughly enjoyed ourselves and just loved

01:07:03.580 the people there, it's just so rich, it's just so great, except I did notice something that was so, that we were about to lose here,

01:07:16.180 and that is, I guess the easy way to explain it is hope, you know?

01:07:21.520 It's kind of like, it's this way, it's always been this way, it's never going to change.

01:07:26.240 And I found that so tragically sad, and sad that so many people that I did meet, like we were starting to be,

01:07:38.780 lost hope that England would ever be England again, that it was just going into a wall.

01:07:51.620 And I'm glad to hear that you have hope.

01:07:54.720 I do have hope, because you've got to have hope, haven't you, and I think...

01:07:58.580 Yeah, but I think there's this genuine...

01:07:59.740 The turnarounds, it is genuine.

01:08:01.640 The turnarounds that we're seeing, and I, you know, Argentina, other countries, you know, there is hope.

01:08:11.120 But I think the difference between Britain and America is we have been on this trajectory longer than you.

01:08:16.380 We've been on this declined trajectory, essentially since the start of the 20th century.

01:08:21.360 I would argue, I would argue that we were there too.

01:08:25.280 We had Woodrow Wilson and our crazy progressive thing.

01:08:29.680 You guys had the Fabian Socialist, which is kind of the same.

01:08:33.220 But we also had the bureaucracy.

01:08:35.540 So the bureaucracy started, so this whole idea of the impartial civil service,

01:08:40.340 which has now morphed into this all-powerful blob.

01:08:43.920 Right.

01:08:44.140 That started in the 1800s.

01:08:47.000 This is very, very deep-rooted, and it has to change.

01:08:50.460 Because in my view, it's one of the causes of Britain's decline.

01:08:53.780 You cannot just hand off power to unelected bureaucrats.

01:08:58.240 It's not worked.

01:09:00.080 Wouldn't it be fun if this time, and hopefully not with any kind of bloodshed,

01:09:05.160 but you guys joined us in a second American revolution.

01:09:08.780 It was a British revolution, and we stopped all this insanity

01:09:13.860 and could turn freedom back around and hand our countries back to our people 0.88

01:09:21.580 without bloodshed would be preferable.

01:09:24.080 We want to be part of the second American revolution.

01:09:27.160 Don't burn our White House down this time.

01:09:29.040 With the first American revolution, we might have been on the wrong side of it.

01:09:33.540 We don't want to be on your side.

01:09:36.380 We don't want to be on your side.

01:09:37.580 I think everybody, if we could just be on the people's side,

01:09:40.940 it would be a very, very good thing to be on the side of their rights.

01:09:45.920 Thank you.

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01:09:47.340 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 22, 2025

Ep 250 ｜ 'Britain Is a Failed State'： PM Truss BLASTS UK's Decline ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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