The Glenn Beck Program - April 05, 2025


Ep 252 ｜ Why Conservatives Flipped to Supporting Trump’s Tariffs ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast   


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Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts joins Glenn Beck to discuss the impact of the Trump administration's new tariffs on China, and the potential for a trade war with the world's second-largest economy. Glenn also talks about the impact on small businesses and other small businesses.

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00:01:04.020 Well, happy Liberation Week.
00:01:08.260 How are the Trump tariffs going to impact you?
00:01:12.020 Are we going to see the end of China's flow of fentanyl across our border and a return to American industry? 0.89
00:01:18.000 Or is, you know, worst case scenario, kickstart an unwinnable trade war with everyday Americans suffering the most casualties?
00:01:25.960 My next guest has hope, and I hope he's right.
00:01:29.140 Welcome, American historian, political strategist, and, of course, the evil mastermind behind Project 2025.
00:01:36.360 Hey-ho, he must go.
00:01:38.360 President of Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts.
00:01:41.260 Welcome.
00:01:56.420 Man, it's so awesome to be here.
00:01:57.660 I know.
00:01:57.900 It's so great to have you.
00:01:58.760 So great to have you.
00:01:59.600 You're like a brother from another mother, I think, except maybe you might be the evil twin.
00:02:03.700 I think some people might think that.
00:02:05.080 Oh, I know.
00:02:05.640 I want to talk about you being protested.
00:02:07.400 Hey-ho, Kevin must go.
00:02:09.780 We'll talk about that in a minute.
00:02:11.860 Let's talk about what's happening this week.
00:02:15.340 Heritage has been the thought leader for Republicans and for the conservatives forever, forever been against tariffs.
00:02:28.300 That's changed.
00:02:29.940 Why?
00:02:30.420 Bottom line up front, because when you have smart people, which we do at Heritage, while the dogmas of the past are very important, they're instructive, the most important thing to pay attention to is what's going on right now.
00:02:44.080 And the diagnosis of President Trump and his cabinet about what's going on right now with the deterioration of communities, the destruction of manufacturing towns, of basically the manufacturing capacity of the United States, is spot on correct.
00:02:58.160 And so what we have said this week is we can support tariffs, particularly if they're reciprocal tariffs.
00:03:04.980 Yes.
00:03:05.180 And they are targeted on the worst violators.
00:03:08.060 What the White House has announced in this initial version, I think there's going to be modifications to this, is broader than that.
00:03:13.420 We think that it would be very prudent to do this incrementally, to really implement the reciprocal tariffs first, with a zealous focus on China, so that regular business people who are huge Trump supporters, I'm not talking like the Fortune 10 guys.
00:03:27.640 I couldn't care less about them, really.
00:03:29.220 We're talking about friends of ours who scraped, just like you did, to build your business.
00:03:33.360 They told me, just on this trip to visit you, Glenn, that they're with Trump and they're with the idea of the reciprocity, but something with such a broad brush might be more damaging than the president intends.
00:03:45.480 And Heritage, to sum up here, wants to support the sort of middle-of-the-road position.
00:03:50.080 And the reason we're able to do that is because we read reality truthfully.
00:03:53.980 Something has to change with the economic system.
00:03:55.820 So, I agree with that.
00:03:57.540 I want to go deeper on that, but I want to tell you, I got an email last night at 11 o'clock from a friend who said, I'm going to be out of business.
00:04:05.920 I got an email at 5 a.m. this morning from another friend who owns a car dealership, wildly successful, but all of his stuff are imports.
00:04:15.880 And he said, Glenn, all day yesterday with the tariffs, he said, all I did was field calls from people who said, cancel my order.
00:04:24.240 He said, I am going to be out of business.
00:04:27.280 He's like, I don't know.
00:04:28.360 They're both huge Trump fans.
00:04:31.180 I don't know what to do.
00:04:34.600 What do you tell those people?
00:04:36.560 Well, I'll tell you in your audience what I just mentioned to this new friend of mine who's a small business guy in the oil field services company.
00:04:45.080 You know, people who may not be audience members of this show would think, oh, he's big oil.
00:04:48.780 No, this guy pulled himself up from his bootstraps.
00:04:51.700 He happens to buy all of his equipment from China.
00:04:54.620 He's done that from the same supplier since 1995.
00:04:57.120 Three-time Trump voter, Trump donor.
00:04:59.220 This guy is with him and also with the president and vice president and you and me on the diagnosis of the problem, which is that this economic system has to change.
00:05:08.520 But what he's saying is there is no American factory where he can get that product.
00:05:14.360 He's happy to build one, but he needs a few years to do it.
00:05:17.160 And so he said, Kevin, when I leave this lunch with you, I'm going at this small business to pay a $256,000 tariff bill that was retroactive.
00:05:26.060 And he said, I still love Trump.
00:05:27.840 I'm still with him.
00:05:28.520 But he said, who do I send that cost to?
00:05:30.960 He said, the people who are even smaller businesses, very few, very small oil and gas wells.
00:05:38.040 And he said, they're going to go out of business and there's going to be a chain reaction that's very unintended here.
00:05:43.340 And this goes back to the first question you asked me, Glenn.
00:05:46.000 This is why at Heritage we think if there's a modified focus on reciprocal tariffs that focuses on China and the other bad actors, but there's a ramp, there's a timeline for these small businesses who are very aligned with trying to fix this problem to be able to adjust just like your friends.
00:06:03.240 I think we can get there because just as important as the economics and sort of the political economy argument here is sustaining the political will for this administration, which is doing so many other good things.
00:06:15.020 So I have been against tariffs my whole life.
00:06:17.940 It's not one of it's not something in my wheelhouse that I always talk about.
00:06:21.480 But I have found myself, as I had to explain this to the audience earlier today on my radio program, I find myself in a unique situation to where everything we have been doing doesn't work.
00:06:37.400 It doesn't work.
00:06:39.000 The world is being managed into decline.
00:06:44.000 Every single country in the West is being managed into decline.
00:06:48.540 So they can start something brand new.
00:06:51.320 And we all know it.
00:06:52.100 It's not an it's the World Economic Forum.
00:06:54.340 It is not a conspiracy.
00:06:55.860 So that's one path.
00:06:57.880 Let's just let everything down easy.
00:07:00.360 So there's not a great collapse and it will fold into this and it'll be a smooth transition.
00:07:04.840 That's not me.
00:07:05.840 I don't want that.
00:07:06.980 And the only person that has had the will and has had the ability to talk to people and say, we must do this is Donald Trump.
00:07:17.480 And, you know, running a business and usually surrounded with really smart, good people.
00:07:26.160 But I'm a risk taker, you know, and I'll notice that.
00:07:29.900 Yeah.
00:07:30.120 And I'll walk into a room with my whole staff and I'll say, OK, forget everything, you know.
00:07:35.900 We're going to do this.
00:07:37.140 And everybody in my office will go, good God, Glenn.
00:07:39.660 No.
00:07:40.000 What?
00:07:40.560 No, no, no.
00:07:42.320 Let me explain.
00:07:43.240 And then I'll explain it.
00:07:45.640 And some of them will still disagree.
00:07:47.220 But when they leave the office, we are all one team.
00:07:51.760 And I feel like on election day, he was not subtle about this.
00:07:55.740 Tariffs are my favorite word. 0.99
00:07:58.580 On election day, we all walked out of the office going, OK, you're the boss.
00:08:04.360 He sees something.
00:08:06.460 He has he's the best negotiator I've ever seen.
00:08:10.320 He's a businessman and he's one of the first presidents.
00:08:14.220 In fact, I think the first president since Reagan that I actually trust loves America as much as me, not in it for himself, in it for the country.
00:08:23.900 And so I'm sitting here going, I'm not going to give him a pass forever.
00:08:27.300 I mean, a year from now, if we are really struggling because of this, I'm not going to be saying the same thing.
00:08:31.920 But I think we have to let the chef cook the meal.
00:08:36.640 We came into the restaurant.
00:08:38.060 We came because we knew he was the chef.
00:08:40.720 Let him cook the meal.
00:08:42.360 You know, if you didn't have such a promising day job, we would make you a senior distinguished fellow at Heritage.
00:08:48.040 Because you just summarized exactly where we are.
00:08:50.520 Yeah.
00:08:51.040 And look, we're independent of the administration.
00:08:53.180 There might be some things eventually we disagree with.
00:08:55.940 We we have a difference of opinion about the tactics that's being that are being used right now regarding the universal tariff.
00:09:01.580 Yes.
00:09:01.760 But that can be true.
00:09:03.480 And it's it's a quibble right now because I think it's going to change anyway, because the larger thing is also true.
00:09:08.960 And the larger thing is what you explain, which is Donald Trump's great love for this country, a cabinet that I think is the best assembled in modern history.
00:09:16.640 I think maybe since either Lincoln or I first time I saw the cabinet altogether, I said, look at the brains.
00:09:23.920 I haven't seen this since the founding era.
00:09:26.220 I think you're right.
00:09:27.000 I mean, it's crazy.
00:09:28.100 I think only Washington's and Lincoln's rival them.
00:09:30.380 Yes.
00:09:30.780 And I think, by the way, the star out of this and no disrespect to anyone else involved in the administration is going to be Scott Besant, because given Scott's success with the capital markets and he is making the point that you just made preaching some calm.
00:09:45.840 There might be some some economic choppiness for an economic quarter or two.
00:09:50.980 But to your point, anything that's beyond that signals that this isn't incremental enough in the change.
00:09:57.640 And I think as conservatives, we can recognize that the current status quo, the status quo is just not working.
00:10:03.700 That basically what leaders of the West, especially in Davos, are telling us is we're putting the patient, which is Western civilization, on palliative care.
00:10:11.680 We're putting it in hospice.
00:10:12.980 And you stupid little people just need to get along with it. 0.96
00:10:15.720 Right.
00:10:16.020 But by the way, we're going to do that.
00:10:17.760 And we, the elites, are going to make a hell of a lot of money on you.
00:10:20.880 And what Donald Trump is saying, to be polite, is we're drawing a bright red line in the sand.
00:10:24.960 We're not doing that anymore.
00:10:26.660 And to finish your analogy, he just did a monologue on this yesterday.
00:10:30.500 He's telling us, he's the only doctor who is telling us, you have cancer and you're going to die unless I take these steps.
00:10:39.840 So you have a choice.
00:10:42.240 Go into hospice or if somebody else has something better, that's great.
00:10:46.620 But this doctor is the only doctor telling me the truth that I know this is over.
00:10:51.680 It's over.
00:10:52.360 It's true.
00:10:53.560 And forgive me for continuing the analogy.
00:10:56.140 But what he's saying is, just like when you get cancer treatment, even though the prognosis may be very good, there's going to be a little bit of short-term pain.
00:11:03.520 The treatment is going to be a little painful.
00:11:05.880 I think the key thing is that we give him the opportunity to do the treatment so that in a year, this is working.
00:11:14.120 And what we're saying at Heritage is focus on the reciprocity, focus on the trade abuser, starting with China, and continue to communicate about fairness, equaling free trade.
00:11:24.660 And then you're going to keep the center right that elected him together.
00:11:27.360 Okay, so here's the part of this that bothers me.
00:11:33.560 Tariffs will not do the job.
00:11:35.940 Tariffs alone will not do the job.
00:11:38.420 You have to have not a continuation of the tax cuts we got eight years ago.
00:11:44.800 We have to have actual tax cuts for people who are going to build businesses and hire people and a massive, I mean, chainsaw to regulation.
00:11:58.720 If he doesn't get those next two pieces in quickly, tariffs will have, if we're lucky, they'll have an effect that's not negative.
00:12:08.700 But they will not have the impact that they need to have until he can unleash and take all the regulators off of this engine.
00:12:18.400 Let it run.
00:12:20.680 When are we going to see that?
00:12:21.880 And I don't think that's him.
00:12:23.060 I think that's Congress.
00:12:23.920 That's Congress.
00:12:24.500 When are we going to see that?
00:12:25.560 Well, I keep being told by congressional leaders who I'll just describe the best of intentions to that it's going to happen by Easter.
00:12:32.140 But you know better than anybody in the country that not only are we close to Easter, but it's not going to happen by Easter.
00:12:38.100 It's not going to happen.
00:12:38.600 And especially given your point about, and it's so true, about the tariffs can't be standalone.
00:12:43.980 They're never going to have whatever positive benefit they will have without being done in conjunction with deregulation, with cutting the budget, with the other treatment that you would give a patient with cancer.
00:12:55.560 Now I think the best would be by Memorial Day.
00:12:58.340 And the problem with that is there will be several weeks for the media to completely misconstrue about the best aspects of a reciprocal tariff.
00:13:06.180 Hopefully, this is an encouragement to congressional Republicans to get with the program, to get this reconciliation bill done along the line to what you're saying.
00:13:15.460 But this is really key, especially for the fuzzy math that's happening in Congress right now, to really cut the budget and to really pass real tax cuts.
00:13:25.860 Thank you.
00:13:26.180 I mean, what I voted for was a guy who had a great team around him, best I've ever seen, and not just Republicans.
00:13:39.100 You know, Elon, RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, okay, good team here, all working towards the same thing.
00:13:46.680 We all love our country.
00:13:48.640 Let's not destroy it.
00:13:49.920 And I don't know what it's going to take for these Republicans in Congress to get, to become awake.
00:13:59.940 What is it going to take before they get it?
00:14:02.640 You can't, you have the Democrats right now dismantling or trying to everything he's trying to do with the court system.
00:14:10.400 All that is, none of that's real.
00:14:12.400 All that is, is delay, delay, delay, delay, delay.
00:14:14.700 Donald Trump, what makes him so effective in the last few weeks is, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:14:20.320 You're constantly firing.
00:14:21.680 You can't keep up.
00:14:23.220 What the hell is Congress doing?
00:14:25.060 They're delay, delay, delay.
00:14:26.800 He's got it in.
00:14:28.220 When is he going to say, I've had enough of you, Congress?
00:14:31.500 I've had enough of you Republicans who say you're going to do stuff.
00:14:35.080 Don't you see?
00:14:35.880 The patient is critical.
00:14:37.960 I'm here.
00:14:39.100 The body is open up.
00:14:40.920 I've got blood on my hands right now.
00:14:42.920 I need the extra units of blood now.
00:14:46.340 He needs to say that right now.
00:14:47.700 Right now.
00:14:48.060 Right now.
00:14:48.580 And look, I think that a couple of key figures in this drama have been really good.
00:14:53.980 Speaker Mike Johnson, I think, has been a real stalwart on this.
00:14:56.940 He was beset with a truly ridiculous ploy by a member of his conference on proxy voting that ended up,
00:15:03.660 the only way for the speaker to handle this was to not have votes this week just because of the rules of Congress.
00:15:08.060 It's foolishness like that, political game playing for clicks and campaign funds by members of the Republican Party that have gotten in the way of it.
00:15:17.540 Only, to your point, Glenn, only Donald Trump can break that.
00:15:21.220 He needs to take the verve with which he announced these tariffs yesterday and apply that to Congress getting this done now.
00:15:27.480 And the beautiful thing about that, beyond the substance, is that politically, those on the political right who are Trump supporters but still not sold on this tariff regime will say,
00:15:38.160 OK, I can be a little calmer about these tariffs if I see that they're being in conjunction, being done in conjunction with deregulation, tax cuts, and cutting the budget.
00:15:47.860 It's brilliant politics.
00:15:49.380 All that to say, I bet he does it pretty soon.
00:15:51.620 I hope so.
00:15:52.720 He has to.
00:15:53.560 He must.
00:15:54.120 He has to.
00:15:55.000 And, you know, the nicest thing about this thing is he's not stupid.
00:16:00.200 He knows.
00:16:01.280 I said the other day, this is as dangerous to his presidency as him in August standing in open fields and talking to supporters in open fields.
00:16:15.880 That was dangerous for him personally.
00:16:18.220 That would get him killed.
00:16:19.380 What he's doing right now is that dangerous to his presidency.
00:16:23.520 And if it doesn't go right, he's not stupid.
00:16:27.660 He knows.
00:16:28.380 I only have a certain amount of time.
00:16:30.160 Those midterm elections are coming.
00:16:32.280 Right.
00:16:32.400 And if our economy is not back roaring, he's not going to make it.
00:16:37.920 He will be a lame duck.
00:16:39.740 And he knows that.
00:16:40.820 Almost worse than the disagreement that some people have with the universal tariffs.
00:16:48.020 And let's be honest, that's what he has articulated yesterday.
00:16:50.800 It's not what Heritage is supportive of, which is a reciprocal regime.
00:16:55.100 How do you argue against a reciprocal?
00:16:57.300 I don't know how you can.
00:16:58.840 That's why when we started talking about it at Heritage, to your point about your team always speaking with one voice, we do that same thing at Heritage.
00:17:04.060 Sometimes it can be a little messy, always very collegial, but we let everyone say their piece.
00:17:08.480 Yes, yes.
00:17:08.760 And so for us even to get there earlier this week took a process, but we started saying, who can argue against this?
00:17:14.980 Yes.
00:17:15.160 Well, the people who argue against it have, they're either really tied to what they think is the success of an older regime and they've not caught up with the times.
00:17:22.840 Yes.
00:17:23.220 Or they have a vested interest in the regime.
00:17:25.380 Yeah.
00:17:25.620 So that's why I think it's really safe political ground for the president to focus on that.
00:17:31.200 Right.
00:17:31.280 It is the free market in a distorted way, but not from our distortion.
00:17:37.860 If you want to put 5% on me, fine.
00:17:41.600 I put 5% on you.
00:17:43.980 Now we have a free market on your turf.
00:17:48.020 Yeah.
00:17:48.220 You want to go to zero?
00:17:49.060 Let's go to zero.
00:17:50.540 But no.
00:17:50.880 And yet what the folks who are saying, you can't support reciprocal tariffs at Heritage, is they have faith that we can have a one-way approach to this.
00:18:02.260 That the United States can say, we are free trade absolutists, even when other people are imposing all these tariffs.
00:18:07.320 It's nonsense.
00:18:08.220 It's also economic nonsense.
00:18:09.720 And it's that kind of stuff that has meant that our manufacturing sector, along with over-regulation and other ridiculous policies, has become damaged.
00:18:20.940 And we do have to resurrect that.
00:18:22.400 But as the vice president said at an event at Heritage on Tuesday, he said, folks, let's remember, this is going to take a generation to sort itself out.
00:18:30.080 This is why we have to get going with it right now.
00:18:32.440 More with Kevin in just a minute.
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00:20:01.360 Back to Kevin.
00:20:04.400 So, let me ask you, Stu, on the air with me, said today, he said, so Glenn, what's his plan?
00:20:12.160 Because I keep hearing jobs are going to return, which I want to talk to you about that.
00:20:18.320 Jobs are going to return.
00:20:19.240 But then I also hear reciprocal tariffs.
00:20:23.260 Well, they don't work together.
00:20:26.460 You're not going to have the reciprocal tariff and the jobs coming back.
00:20:30.640 So, what's our real goal?
00:20:32.860 I have an answer to that.
00:20:34.160 What's your answer?
00:20:35.600 I think in the medium or long term, some jobs might come back, but I acknowledge your point.
00:20:40.240 I think the goal is to reset the sort of Davos, Brussels, kind of New York-driven economic system in the world in which you have to bend your knee at the altar of globalization at the expense of American interests.
00:20:54.360 And Trump's trying to completely upend that and bring people to the negotiating table.
00:20:58.860 I am convinced, Glenn, that the purpose of this might be heartfelt from Trump's economic philosophy on reciprocal tariffs, but it's really about fairness.
00:21:08.340 It's really common sense.
00:21:09.840 He's just trying to get every other country who's benefited on the backs of Americans to acknowledge that and come play ball with us.
00:21:18.840 And he's confident enough in our ability to withstand the short-term economic pain that he'll be able to get us there politically and that the jobs will return because American investors will say, I've got confidence, I've got certainty, clarity enough to be able to invest.
00:21:33.900 So one of the things that I felt important to express today again on my program is the jobs that are coming back.
00:21:46.980 It's not the steel mill in Pittsburgh.
00:21:50.080 If we rebuild Pittsburgh and make the same steel mills, we're just going to create a second disaster in Pittsburgh.
00:21:58.000 And it cannot be those jobs.
00:22:01.000 The jobs we need right now, we need people building the new nuclear power plants.
00:22:10.220 We need our government.
00:22:12.080 Here's something our government can do.
00:22:14.280 Build a cloud fortress.
00:22:20.300 I don't want you doing anything on the inside of that building.
00:22:23.480 I want the private sector to do all the cloud servers, let them lose money when there's a new server farm that needs to be built.
00:22:30.020 But I want castles protecting all of that infrastructure.
00:22:36.240 There are things that we need to do that look over the horizon because in five years, you know, you look at what's happening with the Pentagon and they're talking about, you know, well, we've got a new F-47 coming out in 10 years.
00:22:49.620 In 10 years?
00:22:50.580 Because in 10 years, you may not need to use aluminum, steel, wires, anything.
00:22:56.360 You don't know what the world's going to be like in 10 years.
00:22:59.620 Stop the long-term planning.
00:23:02.420 Just build the infrastructure for what you know is going to be there.
00:23:07.080 Does Trump get that?
00:23:08.560 I think he gets it.
00:23:09.400 Actually, I know he gets it.
00:23:10.360 And I know that his key advisors get it.
00:23:12.800 And I want to underscore the point that you make because I work with a lot of smart people and they, over the last several months, have convinced me that what you said about the new nuclear power plants is the single most important thing that we can do.
00:23:28.640 Economically, from the standpoint of our government, it actually will help to foster, help to cultivate the kinds of new jobs that are very likely to come to the United States if we don't allow the Chinese Communist Party to continue to lap us. 0.93
00:23:41.540 And it really is a revitalization of the energy industry.
00:23:44.600 It can include fossil fuels and all the other renewables, but the really key thing is the new nuclear because we're not going to be able to implement the AI possibilities that are so beneficial to the economy without that energy.
00:23:57.280 And if you don't have that, you have nothing.
00:23:58.900 That's right.
00:23:59.220 You are, you might as well be, and no offense to Brazil, but I, you know, I didn't grow up in Brazil.
00:24:04.300 I like America.
00:24:05.260 I like being the leader.
00:24:06.600 You have to have that energy.
00:24:08.800 And China is building it like crazy. 0.99
00:24:10.720 And I think it's the new thorium, right?
00:24:13.540 New thorium plants, they're safer than already the safest form of energy ever devised by man, nuclear power, but it's much safer, it's smaller, and that's where the government can help.
00:24:27.900 Unleash.
00:24:29.220 Unleash the private sector.
00:24:31.260 Support the things that are building.
00:24:33.520 If I hear one more thing about infrastructure and we're going to build roads, I'm going to lose my mind.
00:24:38.360 I'm going to lose my mind.
00:24:39.480 You go to other countries, their airports are beautiful.
00:24:42.820 We're sitting with Soviet air, you know, style air traffic control rooms where they're passing, oh, here's a plane, let me get it to you on paper.
00:24:53.300 What are you, crazy?
00:24:54.180 If we're going to pass things, let's actually do it with people who know what the future looks like.
00:25:02.900 And to that point, it's important for us to acknowledge the worst case scenario.
00:25:08.600 It's also important to aspire to the best case scenario.
00:25:12.180 And I just want to paint that picture for a moment with you because we're not surprising.
00:25:15.740 I know.
00:25:16.020 This is why we couldn't talk before we went on.
00:25:18.820 We had to have this conversation now.
00:25:20.800 What you're talking about, the new nuclear and government's role in that, which is to get the regulation out of the way.
00:25:25.360 Because the capital is there.
00:25:26.460 I mean, you know some of these same people.
00:25:27.640 They're ready to roll with this.
00:25:29.500 Get the government out of the way, that alone.
00:25:30.980 But then secondly, they can also, the government can make sure that they're really secure, that they can't be infiltrated by particularly the CCP or that.
00:25:38.260 Yes.
00:25:38.720 Do that.
00:25:39.860 Do the reciprocal tariffs.
00:25:41.320 Do the deregulation.
00:25:42.780 Continue with Doge.
00:25:43.960 Pass the tax cut.
00:25:45.340 Cut trillions of dollars from the federal budget.
00:25:47.320 And guess what?
00:25:48.140 Even if the next two economic quarters are choppy, guaranteed, history will tell you, the United States in a year is going to be ascended again.
00:25:56.900 And the really key thing politically, going into the midterms, the naysayers right now who, unlike you and me, who are offering some constructive criticism as friends of the administration on the universal tariffs, you know, these people don't want this to succeed at all.
00:26:10.860 They will have to say, this is, in fact, the golden age of America.
00:26:14.840 That's right there.
00:26:15.620 You do.
00:26:16.200 You do.
00:26:16.740 Just what you said.
00:26:18.140 We actually take our place back prior to the progressive era, to when we were the first building trains across continents, when we were actually leading the world, you know, coming up with electricity, lighting up cities.
00:26:34.700 You know, Paris did it before we did.
00:26:37.820 We're the ones that gave the world a great white way.
00:26:40.380 You know what I mean?
00:26:41.280 And I don't mean that in a racist way.
00:26:43.060 Of course not.
00:26:43.400 You know what I mean.
00:26:44.900 But you have to make that.
00:26:45.640 Yeah, you have to, have to, because most people are like, great white way. 0.82
00:26:48.760 What does that mean?
00:26:50.160 Back in Roberts.
00:26:51.060 Right.
00:26:51.280 There must be, you know, white Christian households.
00:26:53.020 I know.
00:26:53.140 So, but we have that opportunity.
00:26:56.660 And I, I'm so glad in looking at his cabinet.
00:27:01.980 I know they know that.
00:27:03.260 Elon Musk, he's got to be, I mean, he doesn't golf.
00:27:07.360 He's in that golf cart with Donald Trump all the time.
00:27:09.740 He's got to be like, hey, I was just bored.
00:27:11.860 I was just thinking about this.
00:27:13.080 You know what's right on the horizon.
00:27:15.100 I know they're having those conversations.
00:27:17.100 Donald Trump's uncle.
00:27:18.240 Do you know, do you know what Donald Trump's uncle did?
00:27:20.820 Hmm.
00:27:21.000 So, you know who Eli, you know who Nikolai Tesla was?
00:27:25.900 Sure.
00:27:26.200 Okay.
00:27:26.680 Nikolai Tesla, first part of his life.
00:27:29.020 Great guy.
00:27:29.540 Coming up with stuff where he's just like, I want to give it to the world free because
00:27:32.480 it's going to change everything.
00:27:33.660 He's screwed by Edison so many times that about halfway through his life, he's like,
00:27:39.020 and he goes dark.
00:27:40.080 He goes really dark.
00:27:41.120 And he starts designing things like death rays, things that will shake buildings apart.
00:27:46.720 I mean, really scary stuff to where the government was like, I think we need to have somebody
00:27:52.420 around him.
00:27:53.700 So they put George H.W.
00:27:56.060 Bush's father in, unbeknownst to Tesla, that he was working for the government, put him in
00:28:03.800 as his private secretary.
00:28:05.680 When Tesla dies, they need somebody to look at all these plans and say, which ones should
00:28:10.360 be classified, which ones shouldn't be, which ones can we send back over to his homeland,
00:28:14.800 which ones do we need to keep under lock and key?
00:28:17.560 They got the smartest guy they could find from MIT.
00:28:21.240 It was Donald Trump's uncle.
00:28:24.000 What a small world.
00:28:24.660 I heard the president praise his uncle for being the smartest guy he's ever.
00:28:28.160 Right.
00:28:28.340 I didn't know why.
00:28:29.060 Yeah.
00:28:29.900 Interesting.
00:28:30.460 Isn't that crazy?
00:28:31.100 And it's instructive about the opportunity we have.
00:28:33.820 I think God has given us the opportunity.
00:28:35.180 And him being able to recognize that kind of thinking and that kind of future.
00:28:41.340 And ideological strictures off to the side.
00:28:44.900 I mean, Trump's a pragmatist.
00:28:46.420 I do know him to be a conservative, maybe not as dogmatic as you and I might be prone
00:28:51.560 to be, which could be both a compliment and a friendly criticism.
00:28:54.580 But it is what it is.
00:28:55.280 He loves this country.
00:28:56.500 And I think if people remember that, maybe they can reignite the trust we ought to have
00:29:02.360 in him because of the love he has for this country.
00:29:05.740 Being a brilliant CEO and assembling, to your point, Glenn, the smartest men and women
00:29:10.460 I have seen in certainly my career in politics as a historian of this country, I think at
00:29:15.040 least since Lincoln's cabinet.
00:29:16.380 And this is why, even though I would have rolled out the tariff regime differently and
00:29:20.300 they may still land on that, I actually think it's going to be okay.
00:29:23.140 I agree with the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, that let's be calm.
00:29:27.300 Let's not think the sky's falling because there was one bad day on the stock market.
00:29:30.560 And let's also remember, the stock market isn't the economy.
00:29:34.080 Let's be focused on the well-being of fellow Americans for once.
00:29:37.100 You know, I started my show today.
00:29:38.920 Again, we are like brothers.
00:29:40.980 I started my show today with, I want to tell you what the tariffs mean, but everybody today
00:29:46.340 is going to talk about the stock market.
00:29:48.100 You care about the price of eggs and your parts to fix your car, all of these things.
00:29:54.280 Yes, there's a place to worry about the stock market because hopefully people will invest
00:29:59.140 and they'll have money in their 401k.
00:30:01.220 But that's not right now.
00:30:03.060 That's not right now.
00:30:04.600 Right now is, what is this going to do to my meal?
00:30:07.340 What is this going to do for me trying to, you know, buy clothing or anything, repair my car?
00:30:13.320 That's a really big concern.
00:30:14.980 It's huge.
00:30:15.880 And what Donald Trump has reminded us of, what J.D. Vance personifies, is that's conservatism.
00:30:21.540 Yes.
00:30:21.680 Not this other stuff.
00:30:22.780 And to that point, I had a friend who's concerned.
00:30:25.240 He said, Kevin, the stock market's down 1,500 points as we sit here talking.
00:30:28.220 What should I do?
00:30:29.220 I said, buy low.
00:30:30.220 It's going higher.
00:30:31.760 He said, when?
00:30:32.500 I said, I have no idea.
00:30:33.520 I'm just a lowly historian.
00:30:34.860 But it's going to go higher at some point because all of this is going to work.
00:30:37.960 The administration is going to do the tweaking and modifying.
00:30:40.720 Keep in mind, this, I think, is all set up to be recalibrated, waiting for our supposed
00:30:45.880 allies to come to the negotiating table.
00:30:48.100 And just imagine on that point, if I may, Glenn, the European Union leader, the most protectionist
00:30:53.540 racket on the planet, complaining about this tariff regime.
00:30:56.360 I know.
00:30:56.780 This is the kind of thing that Trump is right-sizing.
00:30:59.060 So let's talk about the European Union here for a second.
00:31:02.080 They absolutely believe because they've done it to their own countries.
00:31:09.240 I mean, Germany has no industrial base practically at all now.
00:31:13.000 That's insane.
00:31:14.040 I mean, you know, because I have a memory, that's kind of a good thing.
00:31:18.360 You know, in other ways, that's a really bad thing.
00:31:20.640 They are very good at making things.
00:31:23.960 And that's all being dismantled entirely.
00:31:28.080 They actually believe the best thing is to just slowly put this dog down until we can raise
00:31:37.540 up the new thing.
00:31:39.400 The people don't want it, and they know that.
00:31:42.080 Otherwise, they'd be out saying, here's what we're doing.
00:31:44.960 But they're not.
00:31:45.820 They're denying all of it.
00:31:47.180 You know, until it's conspiracy theory, until it's provably not.
00:31:52.720 Those people, though, if they actually believe that, that's so insane, they might just say,
00:32:02.180 you know what?
00:32:03.080 Let's go for a trade war. 0.99
00:32:04.560 It'll speed it up, and we'll get what we want.
00:32:07.740 You know, we're not dealing.
00:32:10.240 It's like the Democrats and the Republicans, all the lawfare.
00:32:14.700 That's not legitimate.
00:32:16.080 They don't actually mean those things.
00:32:18.120 Their intent is to slow everything down and stop it and grind it to a halt.
00:32:22.560 That's sabotage.
00:32:24.160 We have the same kind of partners in some countries that are supposedly friendly to us.
00:32:30.000 What gives you confidence that they're not going to do that?
00:32:36.520 Well, I think that many, if not most of those countries in Europe are going to try.
00:32:41.560 To stop it?
00:32:42.660 To sabotage.
00:32:43.960 To participate in the sabotage.
00:32:45.600 Because nothing since Trump was elected in 2016 has gone according to their plan other than,
00:32:50.760 quote unquote, defeating him in 2020.
00:32:52.160 And I know this because of all the work that Heritage does in Europe trying to revitalize
00:32:56.100 conservatism.
00:32:56.880 And of course, it's our kind of conservatism where people are actually in charge, not the
00:33:00.700 squishy kind of nonsense where you're prioritizing the GDP over the well-being of everyday hardworking
00:33:05.700 people.
00:33:06.520 But to your point, I think they're going to try.
00:33:08.120 In fact, there are already signs just 24 hours in after this tariff announcement that the EU is going
00:33:13.280 to do that.
00:33:13.760 But what gives me confidence that we will prevail over that is not just because of the competence
00:33:18.780 of Trump and his administration and their awareness that that's what they're going to do, but also
00:33:23.360 that regular people in the United States and in these European countries have had enough.
00:33:28.400 They may not win every election, but they've won enough.
00:33:31.860 In fact, they've won a couple that have been overturned, that it's really deteriorated the
00:33:36.760 power of the EU Brussels regime.
00:33:39.240 This is why it's imperative that President Trump and his administration really get a detailed
00:33:45.800 plan on reciprocal tariffs going because it's so hard to argue against that, both in substance
00:33:51.960 and in the rhetoric.
00:33:53.080 I think that's the place to land this plane.
00:33:55.260 And I'm going to keep talking about it until we see it happen at Heritage because this regime
00:33:59.800 that they've announced yesterday, in other words, makes them more vulnerable to the sabotage
00:34:05.440 that the European Union and some other nefarious actors around the world are going to do.
00:34:10.320 Just in terms of the geopolitics of it, I think the administration needs to be just a click
00:34:15.120 more savvy about what they can do to shoot them in their kneecaps figuratively.
00:34:20.120 I think that's one of the things.
00:34:24.580 It's really the only real error I think he has made this time around is Canada is the biggest
00:34:34.360 example.
00:34:35.360 I agree.
00:34:36.360 I agree.
00:34:37.360 You had Trudeau out.
00:34:38.360 You had that over.
00:34:39.360 Over.
00:34:40.360 And I don't know why.
00:34:42.360 I mean, I appreciated the 51st governor.
00:34:44.360 I really did.
00:34:45.360 No one deserved it more than Trudeau.
00:34:47.360 No one.
00:34:48.360 It couldn't have happened to a nicer communist.
00:34:51.360 But we just shot ourselves in the foot.
00:34:55.360 Now we're going to get the other guy who was, what's his name?
00:34:59.820 Carney.
00:35:00.320 And he's a product of the EU.
00:35:01.580 And look, as much as we disagree with him, the guy is no dummy.
00:35:04.480 Yeah.
00:35:04.840 He is a savvy snake.
00:35:06.000 Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
00:35:07.160 And it's the same Kamala Harris thing.
00:35:10.020 Nobody really voted for him.
00:35:11.740 Nobody voted for him.
00:35:12.840 There's a trend here.
00:35:13.840 Yeah, there is a trend.
00:35:15.720 But we can't do that.
00:35:19.940 Tell me about Mexico and Canada on this.
00:35:22.740 Where do you think we're going with that?
00:35:24.960 I agree with you on how the politics of this has cut in Canada.
00:35:28.340 And I think it was a tactical error.
00:35:29.640 I thought it was funny at first.
00:35:31.180 But other media types said, Kevin, I'm going to force you to say something you have a difference
00:35:35.220 of opinion with with President Trump.
00:35:36.540 And it's always been the Canada thing.
00:35:37.680 Yeah.
00:35:38.040 Because it would be nice to have Pierre Polyev as the prime minister of Canada.
00:35:42.080 Interestingly, I never thought I would say this about any socialist, especially the
00:35:45.360 socialist president of Mexico.
00:35:47.400 She understands Trump.
00:35:48.980 And she's been playing ball.
00:35:50.100 So she already, to the extent she can, being governed by the cartels, has helped with some
00:35:56.560 of the southern border issues, some of the fentanyl trafficking.
00:35:59.320 I'm not suggesting she's perfect, but she recognized politically there was a win there 0.65
00:36:03.920 for her country and for her.
00:36:06.120 But the problem with the tariffs is that it actually empowers her to have more leverage. 0.99
00:36:11.600 And that's why if you're emphasizing fairness and reciprocity, we're on much stronger political
00:36:18.480 ground where you can isolate those countries, whether it be Mexico or Canada or the Netherlands
00:36:23.260 who don't want to play ball.
00:36:25.120 We at Heritage see this plain as day.
00:36:26.860 Sometimes we're wrong about things.
00:36:28.180 Hopefully we have the humility to always say that.
00:36:30.140 On this, I just see it so clearly that if the president can stick to that, he actually
00:36:34.980 builds stronger friendships with countries around the world and you eliminate the possibility
00:36:39.860 of the sabotage that the EU wants to lead.
00:36:44.000 I just had Liz Trussett there last week. 1.00
00:36:47.220 She knows this story.
00:36:48.180 Yes, she does.
00:36:49.280 She said, England is a failed state.
00:36:52.260 The prime minister, former prime minister said, my country is a failed state.
00:37:03.520 And not just any country.
00:37:05.260 Yeah, England.
00:37:06.280 The single most important country, ironically, for why we have the American Republic.
00:37:11.820 Think about what that means for the Western civilization.
00:37:16.640 But there's a lesson there.
00:37:18.000 With all due respect to the former prime minister, I love her, as you know, we have her at Heritage
00:37:23.100 often.
00:37:24.680 She was right and moved too fast.
00:37:28.040 Not because moving fast was the wrong policy call.
00:37:31.860 It was the wrong political call.
00:37:34.420 And there's a lesson in how this tariff rollout has happened this week from the Trump administration.
00:37:38.920 It's too much too soon without tilling the soil politically, economically, along with all
00:37:46.000 of these other changes that need to happen, the tax cuts, the deregulation, doge, and so
00:37:49.700 on, to be able to continue to close the sale with the American people, which Trump is the
00:37:54.220 master of.
00:37:57.060 Back with more with Kevin in just a second.
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00:39:54.640 Tell me about Pam Bondi.
00:39:56.820 I met her.
00:39:59.460 I don't know her.
00:40:00.400 She's one of the few in the administration.
00:40:01.640 I just don't know.
00:40:03.120 I have been so underwhelmed with the Justice Department.
00:40:07.560 I really expected to see the Justice Department at least start turning their own people in 1.00
00:40:13.520 and saying, you broke the law.
00:40:16.460 You're going to jail.
00:40:18.360 I mean, what we found out about the FBI and the intelligence community just yesterday about
00:40:23.560 the Hunter Biden laptop stuff.
00:40:25.220 We now have all of the proof.
00:40:26.620 We have all of the transcripts on it.
00:40:30.660 Where, where, where, when are we going to start seeing people go to jail?
00:40:34.840 It's a fair question.
00:40:35.900 And I agree with wanting to see people be in jail.
00:40:38.180 And I would have thought that we would have seen that by now.
00:40:41.020 Me too.
00:40:41.140 And we were disappointed at Heritage that all of the fanfare over the Epstein files sort
00:40:47.820 of landed like a lead balloon.
00:40:49.180 And I'm not quite sure why that happened, but I'll answer your question directly about
00:40:52.700 the attorney general herself.
00:40:53.820 I think she's awesome.
00:40:55.160 And in fact, I saw her earlier this week at the swearing-in ceremony of the number three
00:40:59.420 of the Department of Justice.
00:41:00.980 And that is the point that I want to make.
00:41:03.040 She's been understaffed.
00:41:04.340 The pace of getting these appointments confirmed has been very slow.
00:41:07.920 It's always slow.
00:41:08.840 It's particularly slow.
00:41:10.100 And she's understaffed at a time that the DOJ, more than any other time in American history,
00:41:14.180 must be upended.
00:41:15.200 And I gather informed speculation here, but mostly speculation.
00:41:19.600 She's waiting to get the full team in place to be able to do that. 0.98
00:41:22.360 Her track record would suggest, and she herself, great woman of virtue, would suggest that it's
00:41:28.260 going to happen.
00:41:28.860 But I thought it might have happened by now.
00:41:30.600 Yeah.
00:41:30.900 Okay.
00:41:31.220 I just don't know her.
00:41:32.640 I still have confidence in her, but I understand why you're asking the question.
00:41:35.520 Good, good, good.
00:41:37.920 So, what have you been most impressed with and least impressed with?
00:41:43.020 I guess Canada, you're going to say.
00:41:45.460 Yeah, least impressed, the Canada thing, but it's a quibble.
00:41:48.760 I mean, it really is relatively minor in the big scheme of things.
00:41:51.220 Most impressed with, after the quality of people in the cabinet, the pace.
00:41:57.000 The pace of change.
00:41:58.460 And that's why at Heritage, we're giving the president some grace on an announcement
00:42:02.660 that's a little bit different than what we thought.
00:42:04.400 It's going to be okay.
00:42:05.940 And they know that.
00:42:06.820 It's been breathtaking.
00:42:07.920 It has been.
00:42:08.620 And then after that, the vice president already had very high expectations, but J.D.
00:42:13.140 Vance is a generational thinker.
00:42:14.800 He's a visionary.
00:42:15.720 Even people who disagree with him or don't quite know him well yet, when they get the
00:42:19.560 opportunity to spend some time with him or really think about what he's saying, he's
00:42:23.260 doing the kind of forward-looking thinking that you specialize in, you have in your career.
00:42:28.560 He's the kind of guy bringing in, is the guy bringing in a lot of these, not necessarily doctrinaire conservative voices, but people who love America, to be able to build the America of 2040 and 2050, rather than fight the political battles of 1985.
00:42:43.700 How is he on the, because I hear people say one of two things, conservatives, one of two things.
00:42:49.800 He's, you know, he's in with all the Silicon Valley people.
00:42:53.180 And the Silicon Valley people, they don't love America.
00:42:55.980 Um, I hear that, or I hear he's fantastic.
00:43:00.660 Um, how is he on the founding documents?
00:43:04.680 How is he on the, what our true root is?
00:43:08.680 I think he has a phenomenal understanding and it would be good to get great professor Beck to do an interview with him.
00:43:14.960 Uh, I will say this on the Silicon thing.
00:43:16.660 I know why people ask that.
00:43:17.680 I had that question two years ago, but it would be like me.
00:43:20.720 Well, Kevin was a professor, went to university of Texas, trained by a bunch of libs. 0.78
00:43:26.260 How can we trust him?
00:43:27.040 Maybe people thought or think that.
00:43:28.840 And most people would say that's not in fact something to be worried about.
00:43:32.260 And so I know JD Vance, I personally, and have seen him in action politically.
00:43:36.460 It was at heritage a few days ago and color me biased because I think there's a man of tremendous virtue.
00:43:43.300 He loves this country.
00:43:44.560 He knows the founding documents.
00:43:45.920 He, he maps to them rhetorically, but also to the specific question about Silicon Valley, a lot of those guys and gals are really with us more than we might recognize.
00:43:55.420 And, and I'm a late comer to realizing that.
00:43:57.900 And I tell them that, uh, but we ought to have a certain wariness about the whole group, because if they get inside the administration, like the worst ones get inside the administration, this is what Zuckerberg has been trying to do.
00:44:11.360 We ought not think that they're our friends.
00:44:13.600 They're not our friends.
00:44:14.280 And, and you know what, you know, I don't have anything about against Jeff Bezos, but he's so hepped up on steroids now.
00:44:21.920 And I don't, I mean, he's like, you know, it's, it's, it's a little frightening.
00:44:26.340 Um, and, and, and, and some of the other people are not people I would necessarily trust, but there are good people that are, that are in the administration.
00:44:35.360 The ones that I worry about are the ones around the administration that you see.
00:44:39.260 Um, but it's always the hangers on, you know, whether it's those folks or the hangers on and Washington around members of the Senate.
00:44:46.240 Um, uh, I'm glad to hear you say that.
00:44:50.040 Um, let me ask you, um, you have talked about a second American revolution.
00:44:57.360 Liz trust said to me, this time we might be on the right side.
00:45:02.680 I appreciate it.
00:45:03.800 I said, well, we may not let you in.
00:45:05.020 You burned our white house down and we don't let things go.
00:45:07.180 Um, but, uh, what does that mean to you?
00:45:11.000 Cause I think we, I think we're actually in it right now.
00:45:15.560 I think that's what happened that people don't really understand.
00:45:19.420 It was a peaceful revolution.
00:45:21.940 It wasn't just an, an election.
00:45:24.540 Uh, and, um, he is now going, I mean, I think he called it liberation day to harken back to world war two.
00:45:33.420 Cause that's when all this crap started.
00:45:35.340 All the things that were happening, you know, that are not working now started after liberation day.
00:45:42.560 And so now it's kind of like a liberation day away from all the things that had to be done back then, but no longer work.
00:45:49.300 Do you think that's accurate?
00:45:51.060 100%.
00:45:51.500 Oh, wow.
00:45:51.920 And, and what I mean, when I say second American revolution is precisely what you're talking about, but to be one step more precise, I think about Alexander Hamilton.
00:46:01.140 I mean, when he leaves Yorktown as Washington's aide to camp and the war's over the couple of years of peace negotiations, as you know, well, goes back to being a practicing attorney in New York city.
00:46:11.260 What does he do?
00:46:12.420 He and his wife get really involved in building institutions, little institutions, lawyers, associations, social clubs, institutions that are less formal than schools.
00:46:22.960 Although they contributed, they participated in building some of those, but that happened up and down the States in Virginia, huge upheaval.
00:46:30.180 And it was an upheaval from the old light churches to the new light churches.
00:46:33.520 That's an institutional change.
00:46:35.020 In addition to being a theological one for Virginians, that's the American revolution implemented.
00:46:40.680 The warfare was vital to winning the politics vital, but the real work always is in society and culture.
00:46:47.660 And I think that's what we're doing now, November, 2024 was Yorktown.
00:46:53.220 And after this Yorktown in 2024, each of us gets the opportunity, whether we have platforms like you and I do, or whether we have people who are in your audience or friends of heritage who aren't in the limelight, but doing even more important work to do what?
00:47:06.920 To rebuild the American dream locally through our institutions.
00:47:11.480 And that's why the administration cannot forget that as you're trying to repair the damage done to those people, that you do so in a way that keeps them on the team.
00:47:22.440 The politics of this are vital.
00:47:24.260 Vital.
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00:47:55.500 The one thing I worry about is these are true burn-it-down revolutionaries we're fighting against.
00:48:04.020 Make no mistake.
00:48:05.280 Well, they're terrorists.
00:48:06.700 They are terrorists.
00:48:08.200 If a Republican would have done one of the things that they have done to Tesla, my gosh, they're terrorists.
00:48:20.500 I want to believe that's not the average Democrat.
00:48:23.800 That the average Democrat on the fringes is starting to go, that's not good.
00:48:30.960 And seeing, maybe we don't have a plan.
00:48:34.520 I'm hoping that's happening.
00:48:36.820 And it's not the average Democrat that is doing these things.
00:48:40.720 However, you're just as guilty if you're just saying, I don't care about it.
00:48:45.660 These people, if they're this now, when the justice stuff or the district court stuff doesn't work, they're out.
00:48:59.160 But what's your feeling on making it without somebody just being deadly?
00:49:10.420 I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.
00:49:12.560 You know that from firsthand experience with these people.
00:49:17.340 I do, too.
00:49:18.020 All of us at Heritage do.
00:49:19.480 For doing what?
00:49:20.280 For speaking the truth cheerfully.
00:49:23.060 Thankfully, it is a sliver of the left.
00:49:25.580 But to your point, the sort of normal Democrats need to take control of them.
00:49:31.780 And it's their moral obligation to do so.
00:49:33.920 And I think it's going to get worse before it gets better first.
00:49:36.780 But secondly, it almost has to, before those normal Democrats have the courage to say, we're going to take this over.
00:49:43.360 And obviously, we don't want any of this to happen.
00:49:45.400 But I just think that it's likely that it will.
00:49:47.560 Because the administration is just getting its real momentum when it comes to the reform that needs to happen.
00:49:54.020 And what they're reforming are those centers of power for these people who have no other religion than government power.
00:50:01.960 It's like telling you and me, you can't go to the church of your choice tomorrow.
00:50:11.220 Are we getting rid of the Department of Education?
00:50:13.460 Absolutely, brother.
00:50:14.280 It's why I'm in public policy.
00:50:15.980 Heritage, the day that bill was signed in 1979, called for its elimination.
00:50:21.840 And I'm so proud to be at Heritage, period.
00:50:25.540 But all of us, it doesn't matter if we work on economic policy, foreign policy.
00:50:29.380 When that executive order was signed, there's probably never been greater jubilation at Heritage.
00:50:35.140 And the reason is, that's how you kill the monster.
00:50:39.320 It is.
00:50:40.100 Not talking about individual people, even liberal teachers.
00:50:42.760 I wish the best for them, but the monster that is the institutionalized hatred of this country.
00:50:50.500 But most importantly, the reality that imprinted on our nature is self-governance.
00:50:54.980 And the education department hates that.
00:50:58.080 Whenever you're in town, will you come back?
00:50:59.540 Every time, brother.
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