Ep 254 ｜ How God Helped ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ Star Raise Her Kids ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast       Â
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Hollywood is an industry known for its family values, stable marriages, and overall morality. But there is at least one couple in the film business that breaks the mold: David Hunt and Patricia Heaton. To discuss how to build a family, protect a life, and manage to stay married while working in Hollywood, David and Patricia sit down with Glenn Beck to discuss how they managed it.
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Hollywood is an industry known for its family values, stable marriages, and overall morality.
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But there is at least one couple in the film business that breaks the mold.
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He's an accomplished actor and filmmaker, and you certainly know her from her iconic roles on shows like The Middle and Everybody Loves Raymond.
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To discuss how to build a family, protect life, manage to stay married while working in Hollywood, welcome David Hunt and Patricia Heaton.
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We've been trying to cross paths with you for a very long time.
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So let me just, let me start with the two of you first.
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You are a miracle in Hollywood or, you know, in celebrity.
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You've been married for 30 years, I think, right?
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And that usually, I've always heard that usually never works out because somebody's always besting the other one.
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And when somebody's career is up, somebody else's career is down.
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I sublet his apartment in New York to be closer to the guy I was dating.
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I'm actually thinking about writing a movie about it.
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Joking aside, it's actually an extraordinary story, the way we actually met, because it was a real sliding doors kind of situation.
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We discovered once we started dating that we had been working in restaurants on Columbus Avenue in the west side of Manhattan, two blocks from each other for about two years, and who we'd never met.
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Hers was the only restaurant I hadn't been in in that entire strip.
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And it wasn't until she made a random phone call, which I can tell you that story another time if you want, but asking me if I wanted to sublet my apartment that we actually met.
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And then how long before you dumped the other boyfriend, Patricia?
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So what is the secret for having a marriage this long?
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Because a lot of people think it can't be done.
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I thought this morning that it couldn't be done.
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Well, you know, George Harrison's wife said in an interview, they asked her, how did you stay together for so long with everything that went on in your lives?
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I think you both have to have that commitment that you took your vows, your vows mean something, and you figure it out.
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And I think outside of obvious things like any kind of physical abuse or mental or emotional abuse or, you know, something like that, things can be worked out.
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And you should try to do everything you can, especially, I think, if you have kids.
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But, you know, I have to be honest that it's...
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And Patty would agree here that, you know, there have been times when we've had our struggles like anyone else.
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How can you possibly be with another person for so long?
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And if you have any kind of real relationship, there's going to be conflict.
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So the idea that it's going to be perfect is absurd.
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And I think that's what trips a lot of people up.
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In our first year of marriage, we were both bringing a lot of emotional baggage into the situation.
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And, you know, there were a couple of moments where some pots and pans were hurled in my direction.
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Thank God I was an athlete because I managed to pop and weave.
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And I just made a dent to the kitchen cabinet, but not my head.
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We are a little bit of Bickersons, but people seem to get a kick out of it.
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And somebody suggested recently that the two of us need to do a podcast.
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And Patti rolled her eyes, and I thought, well, there you go.
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But, you know, there have certainly been ups and downs.
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And career-wise, just to your point, Glenn, about careers, you know, in the most simplest of terms,
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Patti was nowhere when I met her, and I had a career that was booming.
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I made a lot of bad decisions with my career choices.
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But once we started having kids, that was a total game-changer.
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And I, in fact, quit a couple of big jobs in order to be home because I didn't want to be a Hollywood divorce statistic.
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And that resulted in, gosh, a 10-year hiatus or longer than that.
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Anyway, it was a long time off from my acting career.
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But during that time, we started a production company, and that's a whole other story.
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But, you know, in the long term, no one is going to care about what movies or Broadway shows I turned down on my deathbed.
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But my relationship with my sons and my wife is eternal.
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So, Patricia, let me ask you, because Tanya and I, we have the same kind of relationship.
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I'm surprised neither of you mentioned faith because I know God plays such a big role with you.
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And exactly, you know, I asked my wife, my wife, who is so stupid, asked her for a prenup.
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And she said, now I'm really not going to, I'm not interested in marrying you.
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And I said, well, she said, I'm not negotiating an ending for something that has no ending.
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You have to just realize that there's no going anywhere.
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Do you have, because I, I went to work and there are times when work is, I mean, relentless.
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Do you have any regrets at all about that time period?
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So everybody, everybody loves Raymond started when we had a three-year-old, a one-year-old,
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So you rehearse for four days from like 9.30 to five, five o'clock.
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And you can bring the kids to work with you during those times because you're not in front
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of an audience and they can, you know, the nanny can bring them, whatever.
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And so, and you, you work three weeks on and one week off.
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So you're one week off every month and you have three weeks off for Christmas, two weeks
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They were either with me at work or we were all at home together.
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So it really worked out that I could be taking the kids to school in the morning, go to work.
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And so, and there were lots of kids on the set, writers, kids, actors, kids, you know,
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it was a very family friendly show and welcoming to everybody with, with family.
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And I found that I loved taking the kids to school in the morning and bringing them home.
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I never saw that about myself ever, but I found that I, I just loved it.
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You know, cause I loved just being with them talking about songs on the radio or whatever
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And even when the middle came along, that's a multi-camera show.
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So it's much longer hours, 12 and 14 hours a day, but they were already in middle school
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So they were kind of at school until five or six o'clock with their activities and things.
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And as, you know, as far as our relationship goes and our faith, I mean, it's just kind
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We didn't mention faith, but cause we were talking about the practical nuts and bolts,
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but we feel God has had a hand in, in everything that's happened in our lives.
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We met with a wonderful pastor at Hollywood Presbyterian church, which is where we got
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married, uh, called Ralph Osborne, God rest his soul.
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And he, he, the wonderful thing about Ralph was he was able to provide us with the wisdom
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He'd been married at that point, gosh, 50 some years.
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And, and he said, who do you want to be sitting next to in this, in the twilight of your life?
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Um, do you want to be able to look back with a shared history and, and, and laugh and,
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and, and, and bond about some grandkids and have grandkids or, or do you want to be alone?
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And that was, you know, that's obviously a frightening perspective.
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So, so that really, that really stuck with us, but also one of the biggest influences
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in our lives, I think it's fair to say would be Tim Keller, who was the, um, wonderful,
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a wonderful pastor who ran Redeemer Presbyterian in New York for many years until his passing,
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uh, just a year or so ago, uh, we took his, um, marriage series of tapes very seriously.
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You know, you'd have a little moment where you think, wow, we haven't been to church in
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And he said, don't worry, these are all phases in your life.
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So, so as I said, in spite of myself, um, God was gracious enough to keep me on a relatively
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I want to get to, um, the movie that came out and it's called Unexpected.
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It's been out, but I found out from you that it is, what is it?
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National, uh, National Infertility Awareness Month.
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Um, we have a lot of, well, let me just, can I backtrack just for a second?
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Um, because the, the, the movie is based on a book that we optioned way back in 2004.
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And the book was essentially about, um, a couple that adopts animals and it's kind of
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Uh, and we wrote scripts based on that and it never really worked.
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I turned to the, uh, writer after we did a play reading at our house in LA, uh, after
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this particular reading, it sort of died to death.
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How about we make the couple childless that they can't have kids and they, they go on
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And that's why they're getting all these animals are a substitute for the children.
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He called me a week later and said, uh, okay, I've got the first draft.
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He said, well, I never told you this, but both my daughters are adopted.
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And we realized at that moment that we'd hit a nerve.
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And then when the movie came out, we realized there were, there's so many people that this
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And we've known some, some, some close friends who've been through this issue and it's been
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incredibly painful, but weirdly it seems to be a subject that is not talked about very
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Because it's hard, it's hard, I think for people and, and when you don't want to ask
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your friends, like, are you guys going to have kids?
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And, um, and often if it's, if they're struggling, then you don't know what to say.
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And, and often I think, um, men are left out of, of the, of the conversation.
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And one thing this movie did, one of our crew members said to us was, I'm so glad to see
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you showing the man experiencing the emotions he's feeling about not being able to have
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Cause you don't see it as much as you do with the women.
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And of course, obviously it's very powerful thing, uh, for women to, to experience, but
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And here's another example, Glenn, you know, we've screened it all over the place, but we
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did one particular screening that, that, that really hit home where we had gone out to
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dinner with the guy who was, um, sort of sponsoring the whole evening.
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And we, we do a Q and a afterwards, we walked in about 10 minutes before the end of the
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There's a woman in the back row playing on her phone and both of us went, oh, they hated
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So we sort of trudge up stage for the Q and a and it's silence, no applause, which is
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Uh, and then a woman in the back got up and she's weeping.
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And she said, thank you so much for telling this story with such humor and such love.
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My husband and I have struggled with this issue for two years, blah.
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And then one by one, members of the audience started getting up, telling exactly the same
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He looked like he just walked off a construction site.
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He said, my wife and I, I didn't even know what I was coming to see.
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My wife and I have been through this for over a year and he couldn't even finish his sentence.
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We did the best we could, but then God takes over.
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If it makes a difference in somebody's life, even just for that evening, you've done the
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best that you possibly can because all of the rest of it is out of your control.
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And that's when it came home to us that this is a really important issue that affects people
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I, um, my son is adopted when Tanya and I got married, we couldn't have children.
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And, uh, and we were both, we were both healthy and both fine.
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Uh, and, uh, just, just couldn't have children.
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And it was the hardest two or three years, I think of our marriage.
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I mean, since then we've gone through real hell with some of the kids.
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Um, but, uh, that was the hardest and it was hard for me because I was watching her, uh,
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And, uh, yes, and we finally decided to adopt and, uh, and that is frightening because you
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wonder, you know, is that, how am I going to feel?
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Uh, he, he just moved out a couple of months ago and now he, he was, he was at home for
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the, uh, weekend and I just took him to the airport and it was hard, you know, it's hard.
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Well, the, the, the, the, some of the conversations in the film, uh, well, they're very authentic,
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Um, and so I would urge people, especially those people that have been struggling with
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And if you haven't had a chance to see it yet, Glenn, I, I would encourage you to watch
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it because some, some of these, um, some of the conversations were lifted verbatim from
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Um, well, it's actually a quirky comedy, uh, that kind of takes a, as the title suggests
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So it's not, you know, it doesn't come off as heavy.
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It actually comes off as fairly light and goofy to begin with.
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There's one scene in particular that I must've seen a thousand times and I weep every single
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Um, but, but, you know, coming from a comedy background, I think when you, you open people's
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hearts up with laughter and they literally physically get energized by laughing at the
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beginning of a movie, then they're primed to just really receive, you know, the movie.
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And, um, it's, it's had a real great impact on our audiences.
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10 million women between 15 and 49 either aren't able to get pregnant or to maintain a pregnancy.
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Well, I, I do believe that it is going up because there's also a problem with, uh, fertility
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rates, um, right in, in Western culture period, as we all know, the birth rate in Western countries
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And, and men also, um, for some reason there seems to be, this could be environmental, could
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be many reasons, but, but men's, um, uh, sperm count is, as, as plummeted.
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So if you're smoking pot, marijuana, that's not good for your, for your, um, uh, opportunities.
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And I think, uh, you know, I, uh, for me, the jury's out on RFK, but I think he has the
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right direction of like wanting to clean up what's in our food.
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I think, um, and so I think there's a lot of chemicals there that are probably,
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probably affecting, you know, people's health and, and a big part of that is, is your fertility.
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It's amazing to me how arrogant we are with such important things, food, AI that is coming.
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We just think that, oh yeah, we can, yeah, let's, let's genetically modify all of our food
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And I think we're just starting to see the real ramifications of that.
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And I think it's super complicated because I remember sitting on the set of the middle,
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And, um, on the one hand, you know, you, you want to know what, what they're using to spray
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crops, to make them, you know, so large and what they're clumping up chickens with and
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On the other hand, the ability to, to the world, that feeds the world.
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So there's, there's got, you know, there's, it's not some sort of link there because it's
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But there's a balance that, and I think it's hard to know until maybe sometimes it goes a
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So, but also there are certain societal pressures, you know, and people are trying to get pregnant
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That's a, that's an issue getting married in their early twenties and, you know, as they
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Um, I mean, my mom was what, she was 20 when she had me, I think something like that.
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And that's, you know, that's, that's almost unheard of.
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I mean, I, I, I just, I would have 10 children if I could, cause you just, they're just, there's
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And you get to a, you do get to an age where you're like, this is really all that life is
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And, um, and then you get to a point in your life too.
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If you waited so long, a, you reduce your chances of being able to have your children.
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And B, you get so old, you know, that you're like, I don't have time.
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When you're talking to your six-year-old saying, just push me in the chair.
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It's, it's the Shakespearean cycle of life, right?
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I, I think if Patty and I had met younger, um, there's no question we would have had,
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uh, one or two more, maybe we have four, but, um, I didn't have, we didn't have our
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first, uh, child until I was 35 and then we like cranked them out.
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So, um, yeah, yeah, there it's fantastic and it's difficult.
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And then at the, and then when they move out, you're like, what happened?
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I know a friend of ours once said, who had six kids, by the way, we went to see him before
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we had kids and all these kids are running around and we staggered out of his house, having
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not been able to finish a sentence for the entire afternoon and said, that's it.
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We're not having kids cut to, you know, here we are with, with all ours.
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But he said, get some sleep when we first got pregnant and we just laughed like, oh, I haven't
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You know, it's never the same, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.
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That happens, I think, a lot now because people are, you know, they're, you're, you're
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now an adolescent until you're almost 30 in our society, which is crazy.
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I don't know when you actually become adult in our society anymore, but then you've, you're
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And, and I think we've, the society is, it's, it's, we've lost a bit of like, um, it's
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And there's nothing wrong with feeling like you're, you know, you're using your gifts and
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you're changing, helping in the world and you're contributing, whatever.
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But, um, I, I think you don't really discover yourself and your strengths and whatever until
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And I think we, what's, what's happened in societies is that you can't have kids until
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But I would say you don't find yourself really, truly until you have kids.
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And so, and, and I feel like we're really in a place now where, because even though it's
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not as big now as it was during the pandemic, but there is remote work.
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And when I was long ago working with a group called Feminists for Life, this was, you know,
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this was 20 years ago, they kept pushing for remote work for, you know, working moms and
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And then the pandemic happened and it was all remote work.
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And so I think for women, there's not a better time to, to, um, have kids and be working if,
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if you have to do that, uh, than now, because there's ways to work it out.
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And, you know, and a lot of corporations are willing to, to supply their workers with,
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I would contend, Glenn, this might be a wee bit controversial, but I would contend that
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there are some aspects of the feminist movement that have been tremendously damaging to women.
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And of course, I'm talking specifically about the idea that motherhood is a terrible thing
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and it's a prison for women, which is in fact, the complete opposite.
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Having children, in my humble opinion, is incredibly liberating.
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So many levels, because it absolutely destroys your narcissism and your self-involvement.
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You got to pick up the poop, for goodness sake.
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You haven't got time to think about anything else.
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And that's a wonderful thing, especially for a narcissistic egomaniac like myself.
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I was just, I was just going to say that there's also, in certain sections of society,
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I've witnessed children being viewed as a kind of, um, not an appendage, but kind of like
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an accessory to this glam, to this wonderful life.
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You go to Italy and places like that, where kids are swarming around and are so much a
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part of the culture and are beloved by everybody.
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Nobody grimaces when a child is crying on a plane.
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Um, I mean, the looks we used to get when we would bring our kids on airplanes.
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I mean, I just thought, oh my goodness, who are you people?
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But fortunately, our kids were super well-behaved, so we always got compliments at the end of
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But, you know, there's something in that that's, that I find just a little troubling.
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Um, there, we also live in a society where things are so, things are deemed so bad, um,
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especially with like climate change, which, boy, that's interesting.
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But climate change, uh, you, I hear people all the time, I don't want to bring children
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What if it does, I mean, there's nobody, I am in, I am a optimistic catastrophist, uh,
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Um, but there's not, I mean, you, what, what if you're wrong?
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And even if you're right, what about the child that would have been born that solves the problem?
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There's always been that group that says that there's a population bomb.
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It's, it's a matter of being able to, to have resources, you know, getting to where they
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We have a lot of food that's wasted on this planet.
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There's countries that have not been developed because of the corruption of their governments,
00:32:02.860
but there's nothing wrong with having lots of people, more people, the better.
00:32:06.560
We just have to have the infrastructures and the, uh, the resources properly dispersed.
00:32:12.640
Especially in this country though, that is not hard to do.
00:32:16.200
When you drive across the country and you see the vast amounts of empty land.
00:32:24.000
We are so far away from our planet, not being able to handle, uh, the amount of people.
00:32:30.640
What, what are your thoughts, what are your thoughts on IVF?
00:32:38.580
We're both Catholic, even though we were in the Presbyterian world for a long time, still
00:32:52.160
Um, so personally, and we didn't have to go through this, but I have thought about this
00:32:58.460
a lot, I, I don't have any judgment of people who use IVF.
00:33:09.440
Um, and I just feel like, um, it, once you, you start doing stuff in laboratories and you
00:33:23.360
take it and listen, there's married couples who do this and it's their sperm and their egg
00:33:28.340
and that they're kids and that they just, you know, couldn't conceive in their natural way and
00:33:33.100
I have, as I said, I have no judgment, but just as a Catholic, uh, the, the reason the church,
00:33:40.080
you know, and I don't even know actually what the church's actual position on IVF is, but it's,
00:33:45.340
it's, once you start taking it outside, then many iterations of that start to happen.
00:33:50.740
And, and then you have surrogacy and those issues with surrogacy.
00:33:54.780
And then you have people kind of purchasing children and then designing children.
00:33:59.000
And it just, it's a marketplace type thing now too.
00:34:03.380
And then there's all these kids in foster care and who are waiting to be adopted.
00:34:07.300
And, you know, so it, it, it turns into this thing.
00:34:10.460
As I said, I don't judge, I have friends who used IVF.
00:34:14.680
I have friends who have surrogates, very happy for their beautiful kids.
00:34:18.860
I personally wouldn't do, I don't, but we've never had to deal with it.
00:34:22.260
Maybe it's easier for me to say, but to play down the issue, I mean, you know, the question
00:34:28.480
can be posed, uh, what's wrong with a little medical assistance on the flip side of that
00:34:34.720
is the danger that we end up with an oldest Huxley and world, the brave new world of designer
00:34:46.740
And, and in the gray area in between what we might conceive as right.
00:34:53.240
There's a lot of abuse, you know, the sperm banks and all that kind of thing.
00:34:57.140
That's a whole other issue, but, but there's always abuse because human beings are humanly
00:35:06.380
The, uh, um, I just read something from the founders.
00:35:09.660
I was giving a speech for a pro-life group last week and, uh, I'm trying to remember which
00:35:15.960
founder it was, but not a founder that you, any of us have really heard of.
00:35:21.420
Um, he is the only guy that was, uh, signed the declaration, the constitution, and was a Supreme
00:35:29.600
And he wrote right around the founding of when does a child become a child?
00:35:35.580
When, when is it, when's it, when, when is their life?
00:35:40.200
And he said, as soon as it stirs the quickening, they used to call it as soon as it stirs, as
00:35:47.000
soon as mom knows that there is life inside of her.
00:35:52.180
But that is just that, that, that measurement is, we know almost right away.
00:35:59.720
Now we, we can know there's life inside of you almost immediately.
00:36:04.580
So everything just seems to be getting closer and closer.
00:36:08.480
And it's, you know, you don't want to be wrong on this whole life thing.
00:36:16.440
And, uh, yeah, I think you can, you can completely support, you know, the pro-life position from
00:36:24.560
It's really, it's really, uh, human rights and civil rights.
00:36:30.440
And all science will tell you, it begins at conception.
00:36:34.900
So I think, you know, that that's how I've come to my position.
00:36:40.560
I think, I think we've, I think we've changed as, uh, as a people, you know, I, I, uh, I can
00:36:49.260
never join the pro-life people that were out with the abortion trucks, you know, or shouting
00:36:54.320
at people, you know, um, because most cases, most cases, the women that are going are not
00:37:07.540
They're the ones who don't feel like they have any support whatsoever.
00:37:13.780
And you're starting to see now as a pro-life people will talk to those moms once they, once
00:37:25.960
Once they see an ultrasound and then you talk to them, sometimes it's pretty easy to solve
00:37:32.400
the problems that are causing mom to think, I can't have a baby, you know?
00:37:40.820
You know, and there's been interesting phenomenons, like a woman will find out she's pregnant and
00:37:44.960
she wants to abort and then they find out it's twins and she doesn't want to abort.
00:37:50.780
Like there's weird, you know, stuff that makes people, um, uh, change their mind.
00:37:58.540
And I think it's interesting that at a place like Planned Parenthood, they don't want to
00:38:03.020
Yes, they're not, they're not, you know, so, um, you know, there's a, there's definitely
00:38:08.960
a movement where they are invested in abortion.
00:38:12.160
And, and if, if, if it were really, truly a pro-choice situation, you know, maybe I wouldn't
00:38:18.280
have that much difficulty, but I don't think it's really pro-choice.
00:38:21.380
There's a very vast amount of people who are committed to making sure they happen.
00:38:30.980
Just from the, my personal male perspective, when our eldest son was seven weeks old in the
00:38:37.840
womb and I remember seeing the very first ultrasound, I have to confess that up to that
00:38:42.060
point, my, any views I may or may not have had on abortion were fuzzy at best.
00:38:47.800
Um, I, I think I was in that kind of, um, that shameful male school of like, ah, it doesn't
00:38:57.440
Well, when I saw his little tiny heart beating in the middle of what, what was basically the
00:39:07.300
I was destroyed because I'd seen it in a way that was so real, but I'd never seen before
00:39:16.220
I, uh, my first daughter was born, um, with cerebral palsy and, um, she had strokes at birth
00:39:25.400
and they said, I mean, at this time, I'm an, I'm a 19 year old kid.
00:39:34.120
And, um, so she, the doctors are, you know, taking her in for cat scans and she just fit
00:39:45.960
And, um, the doctors came back and they, they had a scan and they said, black, black means
00:39:57.740
And they took out the scan and it was almost all black.
00:40:01.160
And, uh, and they, I said, what does that mean?
00:40:06.000
And they said, she probably won't feed herself.
00:40:08.760
She probably won't talk, walk in going outgoing speech, all of these horrible, horrible things.
00:40:16.600
And to my shame, if you would have said that to me before she was born, I probably would
00:40:29.500
She graduated from college, um, and she's the joy of my life.
00:40:35.260
And she is, she's taught me more than any other human alive.
00:40:41.860
Uh, it's, it's, it's remarkable how we don't know.
00:40:49.440
And even if it turns out that what we deem is bad, it's actually not bad.
00:40:57.480
And, you know, just to hear that story, uh, we know so many parents who have kids with
00:41:04.460
special needs, down syndrome, autism, all kinds of stuff.
00:41:09.360
And I think that's one thing where if, if we were going to step up more than pro-life
00:41:15.740
people already have, this is, is really getting the government.
00:41:20.020
You get social security if you have, if you're, if you have a disability and what have you,
00:41:23.560
but, but really communities supporting and including parents, supporting parents with
00:41:31.580
disability and including parents with kids with disabilities, excuse me.
00:41:35.060
And, um, you know, I, you see it, I see it a little, as many problems as the UK have, I feel
00:41:41.840
like I see that a lot, uh, out in public more with kids with disabilities.
00:41:47.040
And, um, and that's a really important part of, I think that our government should continue
00:41:52.740
to focus on is making sure all those parents have help.
00:41:55.660
But parents who have kids with disabilities, they do a really incredible job of making those
00:42:03.200
Almost all those great programs that you find for kids with issues have been started
00:42:08.780
by parents who couldn't find any program and so started it themselves.
00:42:13.220
It's, it's really disturbing to me to see what's going on in Canada with MAID, where now they're
00:42:18.940
talking about, it can be depression, kids, teenagers, doesn't matter.
00:42:25.080
I mean, this is a death cult, an absolute death cult.
00:42:29.640
Well, when you have socialism running something and, and people are costly who have disabilities
00:42:37.140
to care for, and then the government is much more likely to say, here's a way out of your
00:42:43.300
pain, because then it gets them off of their, their role.
00:42:50.240
That's the real, that's a huge problem with, uh, with socialism, the kind of medicine they
00:42:56.100
You know, you, I'm not saying what we have here is by any means perfect, but, um, to,
00:43:02.480
to have a solution to a problem, be killing yourself is, is really, really reached rock
00:43:09.640
I, I, I spoke to a guy who runs Singularity University, um, uh, Ray Kurzweil.
00:43:19.600
And he told me once, you know, you only have to live until 2030, Glenn, because then there
00:43:26.060
And I said, what do you, what do you, what do you mean?
00:43:28.020
And he said, we'll be able to download you into a computer.
00:43:41.860
And he said, you can't prove that there's a soul.
00:43:43.600
And, uh, I realized you want to talk about made on steroids.
00:43:50.080
If grandma, grandpa, anyone gets sick, don't worry.
00:44:05.200
That's so, you know, when you first mentioned AI, I'm like, well, I find that AI useful.
00:44:19.480
It's just that we, you know, people haven't thought, I've thought about this since the
00:44:23.320
nineties, um, been studying AI and, and it's, it is tremendous what's coming.
00:44:31.360
And the scary thing is, is nobody's dealing with it.
00:44:35.420
Nobody's thinking about these deep, deep issues.
00:44:38.240
And if we treat a lot, AI, like we treated social media, who were doomed, we're absolutely
00:44:46.260
But how would you, how would you, how would you, yeah.
00:44:48.840
How would you legislate for something that isn't here yet?
00:44:52.000
Like, how do you, what do you do about it at this point before it's become that kind of
00:44:57.740
The biggest thing you do is, yeah, you put guardrails on personhood.
00:45:03.440
You cannot be digital and a person because that's, that's where it's going to slip out
00:45:11.660
of our fingers is people will declare that it will eventually declare personhood.
00:45:22.440
I see what you're saying right now that think that that's their boyfriend and they're in
00:45:31.080
We have to think that's not a person ever, ever.
00:45:36.060
Is anybody doing any kind of thinking about legislation about those things?
00:45:41.820
Yeah, there, there are, there, there's a one guy, uh, two, actually two guys that were both
00:45:48.040
One I think was from Google and I'm not sure where the other one was from.
00:45:50.760
Um, um, and they realized that there's no ethics here, you know, they were the ethicist
00:45:56.000
and they were like, guys, we got to stop and have a conversation.
00:45:58.560
There were no ethics and ethics they're moving.
00:46:02.040
There's no, there's, uh, they're moving too fast.
00:46:10.580
And I, I was reading, I was reading a quote from Jefferson and he used newspapers.
00:46:15.040
Um, but, uh, I just changed the newspapers to social media.
00:46:21.480
He said, um, uh, a man is, uh, much more educated if he never reads anything at all over a man
00:46:37.940
And I, I would suggest if you change newspapers to social media and we're educating ourselves
00:46:47.340
If that's where you get all of your information, you know, look how fast that changes.
00:46:57.540
Dave will tell you, I'm always like, um, but you, I know you do other things.
00:47:04.300
You're not just, you're not getting all of your, you're not getting your education from
00:47:10.680
Now's an appropriate time to take a break and tell you about pre-born.
00:47:14.160
There is an awful lot that feels broken in this world.
00:47:17.140
It is really super easy to feel powerless, you know, like you'd love to do something
00:47:25.600
So in the end you don't, well, don't just shake your head and walk away from it all.
00:47:30.860
You can do something to bring, bring tremendous good into the world.
00:47:34.700
You can be part of the change we all want to see right now across this country.
00:47:39.040
There are women facing unplanned pregnancies and many of them are terrified.
00:47:42.860
Many of them are buying into the lie that the best thing they can do is to have an abortion,
00:47:46.560
but the ministry of pre-born is working to help them see another way.
00:47:50.900
They offer free ultrasounds, counseling, and even postnatal help to those women who just
00:47:58.040
need somebody to show them love and compassion, not judgment.
00:48:01.180
The majority of the time, that's all it takes to save a life.
00:48:05.000
You can do good in this world by helping pre-born in their mission to preserve life,
00:48:11.080
Please dial pound 250, say the keyword baby, that's pound 250, keyword baby, or go to
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Claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament.
00:48:26.980
She was so focused on visualizing that she didn't see the column behind her car on her
00:48:32.980
Good thing Claudia's with Intact, the insurer with the largest network of auto service centers
00:48:38.680
Everything was taken care of under one roof, and she was on her way in a rental car in no time.
00:48:43.000
I made it to my tournament and lost in the first round.
00:48:55.020
They're moving, they're trying to move Hollywood to Austin, Texas, which scares the heck out of me,
00:49:04.220
And I know you guys got away from Hollywood as soon as you could.
00:49:11.520
We're actually trying to raise money specifically for that, to build a film and TV industry and
00:49:20.780
theater industry outside of the LA, New York bubble.
00:49:26.100
So how do you do that and not bring all of the crap that comes with it?
00:49:31.980
Well, Tennessee, in their legislature, when they're working to set up kind of funding and rebates and stuff,
00:49:41.460
they're putting things in there like it has to be a certain type of content,
00:49:46.260
so they wouldn't ever give rebates to pornography or anything that puts down state or...
00:49:53.260
But ultimately, the content creators, which is what it comes down to, which is why we're obviously we're hoping people would back us,
00:50:02.900
given the history that we have and the kinds of projects that we've already produced.
00:50:07.360
So, again, it's tricky, but we've heard that from politicians.
00:50:14.920
Hollywood values, and I'm not even sure what Hollywood values are, because that's kind of an oxymoron.
00:50:25.580
Yeah, so, you know, it's a tricky one, but ultimately, you have to...
00:50:33.320
I think the content creators have to prove themselves, really.
00:50:36.660
There's an enormous underserved audience in the United States.
00:50:49.860
The show that people want content, they want good entertainment.
00:50:54.140
And it's not that you have to make, you know, just Billy Graham movies.
00:50:58.980
No disrespect to Billy Graham, but you know what I'm saying.
00:51:04.020
You can still produce things with excellence and have great stories that don't shy away from the reality of the human condition.
00:51:17.100
These themes that have been so absent for so long.
00:51:20.020
And, you know, I do have to say this, and this probably will get me some enemies,
00:51:47.660
Well, but we found that the kind of people who are attracted to Nashville, who are moving to Tennessee, share those values,
00:51:56.080
and they're leaving Hollywood or New York or Chicago because they have felt not at home for so many years
00:52:03.800
and feel that their worldview and the stories they want to tell aren't being told or Hollywood doesn't want to tell them.
00:52:13.300
Although it's weird because I think, you know, there's a certain bottom line also to Hollywood.
00:52:18.900
They need to make money, and I think they would like to tap into this space, and they kind of don't know how.
00:52:23.240
So I feel like we're seeing them kind of when you see Angel Studios or Andy Irwin at Kingdom Story,
00:52:32.760
and you see John Irwin has the Wonder Project now, and it's out there, and it's coming.
00:52:40.140
Look, in 2008, we made a movie called Amazing Grace about the abolition of slavery in the British Empire.
00:52:48.460
And we, in a sense, you could say that we were ahead of our curve, but what we didn't have was the financial backing to really continue that in any significant way.
00:52:58.240
I think now the environment is a little different, and just like there's an economic shift going on, there's also a cultural shift going on,
00:53:08.100
and I think people are more receptive both in the investment community and in the marketplace for content that's more like that.
00:53:19.780
It's really stunned me how, for the longest time, Christians did not know how to make movies, because all they cared about was the message,
00:53:29.680
And you're like, I can't bring my friends to this.
00:53:31.980
I want to, and I can't bring my friends to this, because they're going to just be beaten over the head with the message.
00:53:39.380
Now, if you look at Snow White, Snow White, what?
00:53:54.100
You even look at House of David, which I think is Erwin.
00:54:01.600
Yeah, and I know that's about the Bible, but it's not pounding in your face.
00:54:09.460
And it's so weird how we've just switched places.
00:54:12.980
I wonder how long it's going to be before they wake up and go, oh, they don't want message movies.
00:54:20.580
I was just going to say, I'm just about to do a little bit on The Chosen, which I'm actually really looking forward to.
00:54:34.220
Somebody once joked to us that Hitler could have showed up in Hollywood if he had a great script under his arm.
00:54:42.220
They would have said, yeah, sorry about that whole Holocaust thing, Adolf.
00:54:45.140
We want to make your movie because we think it's going to make us a lot of money.
00:54:50.740
In the same way, they're looking at this space going, well, so many of our movies are tanking because of the message we keep sending out.
00:55:01.320
So how do we, they don't really know who this audience is.
00:55:09.000
So let's use your show as a plug to anybody out there with a couple of dollars in the bank.
00:55:16.200
But, you know, I also think that it used to be.
00:55:19.800
So my favorite movie of all time, Dave, stick it here.
00:55:22.880
Is On the Waterfront with Marlon Brando, even Marie St.
00:55:26.580
And Carl Malden plays the priest at this mob run, you know, dock in New York.
00:55:33.180
And, you know, Marlon Brando's brother is a mobster and he's, and Marlon Brando's on the take.
00:55:41.240
And he has to make a decision as to whether he's going to rat out on his brother and turn in the mob.
00:55:50.080
And Carl Malden as the priest has this incredible monologue.
00:55:53.380
I don't know, you probably saw it many years ago, but if you haven't watched it or haven't seen it a long time, watch it again.
00:55:58.840
This was an Oscar winning Hollywood movie to me, the greatest movie ever made.
00:56:04.020
Greatest script, music, acting, directing, everything.
00:56:09.240
And it has Carl Malden doing a whole thing about Christ being here on the docks and Christ seeing what's happening to you.
00:56:16.980
And how would he who spoke up against every evil feel about your silence?
00:56:25.240
And that was a, that wasn't considered a faith based film.
00:56:28.980
It was just a great story about a, you know, a moral dilemma.
00:56:33.620
And, and God was just a natural part of that because it used to be in our country.
00:56:38.260
We all shared certain foundational beliefs about God, about history, about our country.
00:56:47.360
Um, and that's kind of been blowing up for so many years, um, uh, with, through universities.
00:56:55.320
And, and so people have a really distorted view of this country.
00:56:59.960
They don't have, you know, you can criticize America and there's lots of things, a lot of room for improvement, but I've traveled with world vision to a lot of different countries.
00:57:08.920
And, you know, to say this country is, you know, a terrible place.
00:57:14.660
When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from Winners, I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners?
00:57:23.680
Like that woman over there with the designer jeans.
00:57:45.240
What it's being replaced with is even more terrifying.
00:57:48.080
Watching the stats on, on anti-Semitism is terrifying.
00:57:54.100
I said, when I was at Fox in 2008, I said, if we allow this to grow now, we will see on our streets the exact kind of hatred that was happening in the 1930s in Europe.
00:58:23.200
Obviously, the education, the education system in this country is in desperate need of massive reform, particularly at the higher education level.
00:58:31.700
But as G.K. Chesterton once said, if you don't worship, if you don't worship God or you don't believe in God, then something's going to have to rush into that vacuum.
00:58:46.960
And you're seeing 21st century postmodernist nonsense, idiotic nonsense, pervasive in major learning institutions in this country, peddling crap.
00:59:12.760
That, to me, is the Orwellian nightmare, is the way that young people's hearts and minds are changed by being perpetually told that, especially if you're white, you're bad.
00:59:29.720
I've heard people in interviews, you know, you have those street interviews.
00:59:38.160
It's like, I don't know, there's so much ignorance out there that it's really hard to counter that.
00:59:46.240
What I think is even scarier is if you take a person who's sort of indoctrinated and you can show them the facts, you can show them Hamas body cam footage that they themselves put on social media, they put on the internet, and they will deny what they're seeing with their own eyes.
01:00:05.220
Like, you can look at history, look at the Bible, say, if you want to know where the Jews' land is, just read this, you know, 5,000-year-old book.
01:00:16.360
And you'll see where they were, and they'll deny it.
01:00:22.060
It's one thing to always have misinformation out there, but when you give people facts and they refuse to accept them, then I don't know where you go.
01:00:32.260
This didn't even mean anything to me until recently that the root of the word culture is cult.
01:00:38.680
And the culture that we have right now is becoming a cult.
01:00:47.780
It's telling you don't listen to your friends, change your friends.
01:00:51.100
If it disagrees with a cult leader, I mean, it's frightening.
01:00:59.340
You guys started, what is it, the organization that you did?
01:01:11.120
Yes, and that happened after I saw that body cam footage.
01:01:14.660
And I just expected a huge outcry across America against what had happened in Israel.
01:01:23.760
And, you know, we live in a city where many, many, there's more churches per capita here than I think any other city in the country.
01:01:34.440
A lot of them don't know their own Jewish neighbors at home.
01:01:39.080
And I think I just felt like something needed to be done.
01:01:44.920
How can Christians, you know, give people the benefit of the doubt?
01:01:52.420
And they're very afraid to offend Muslims is the problem.
01:01:58.500
It's our pastors and our pulpits that have failed us.
01:02:11.800
And what we're trying to do is find, you know, our motto is to activate people, Christians, to be visibly and vocally supportive of the Jewish people of Israel's right to exist and to fight anti-Semitism.
01:02:25.820
And we've been going cities to city, putting unity dinners together, getting Christians and Jews together.
01:02:53.680
I know for myself, October the 8th, I'm looking at thousands of people on the streets of London with placards and banners that seem to have been miraculously produced inside about 12 hours after the attacks.
01:03:10.040
And you go, OK, well, clearly this is orchestrated.
01:03:13.840
And then when the prime minister of Great Britain comes out and says Islamophobia is the biggest problem in the United Kingdom, which is a lie, you talk to the intelligence communities and they will tell you where the real issues are.
01:03:26.700
So, you know, right wing white supremacism and, oh, gosh, it's terrifying.
01:03:37.160
And people do not understand the propaganda behind all of this.
01:03:42.440
What's frightening to me is it happens so quickly and people bought into it immediately.
01:03:49.220
And that's what I find so distressing about it.
01:03:52.040
Well, and it's hard to figure out why other than just Jew hatred, because there isn't a real, it doesn't make sense.
01:03:59.660
And so you get back to that very, the kernel of the question is why the Jew hatred, which is the question Jews have been asking since they've been hated, which is since they were formed.
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And I feel as if you're a person of faith, you can see why, because Christ, Jesus came through the Jewish people, that that would be one of Satan's main places to attack is the Jewish people.
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Because of Christ coming through them, if you wanted to look at it from a spiritual point of view.
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If you believe in Satan, when Satan heard God say to Abraham, your people are my people and I'm going to protect them forever.
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You'll have a group of what, 300, 500 people stand there.
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Satan has got to go, all I have to do to get him to break his promise, which God can't do, and I win, is break that.
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I think it's the root of all of this stuff is evil.
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I mean, the Jewish people are the ones that were the first ones to say life, choose life.
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And you go over there and it's, they're welcoming, you know, I mean, look, they have, Israel has their own issues, but it's just a wonderful, welcoming, warm place for all people.
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They produce so much science and technology and, and they want peace.
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And so, you know, I, I think, you know, there's, we were just listening to a guy talking about radical Muslims are probably 15%, 20%, maybe the population.
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15 million people, but the tipping point, but the tipping point probably means about 200 million Muslims are radicalized.
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And the tipping, tipping point, remember, is only about 17 to 21% of a population.
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If they're really dedicated to that amount of a population, any population makes a difference.
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There are cities in Britain where that's already been passed, but, but I just want to go back for the educational component, because this is, this is so critical.
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And this applies to churches as well as schools, and that is that, you know, even if you don't teach the apologetics of Christianity, even if that's a secondary concern, if you just taught the history, it would make a massive, massive, massive difference to the way people view the world.
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The fact is that there's an entire generation of young people in this country, well, in the West, who have no clue, haven't been taught that at all, because it's been eviscerated from, from syllabuses across the land.
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I think it was Hitchens that said, you can't read Shakespeare without the Bible.
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You have to teach the Bible or you won't understand Western culture at all.
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And it's, by the way, you can teach it as a purely historical document, which is what it is.
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You know, I mean, to, to ban it from schools is ludicrous.
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Well, you're also this, you know, people do, I hate to go on a rant, but just a mini one.
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When people go on about justice, you know, I just, I just need, I want to sit them down and stare them right in the face and say, do you have any idea whether the, the, the, the whole concept of justice?
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Justice came from, it comes directly from, from the Jewish and the Christian traditions.
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It did not exist on planet earth until that happened.
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It just didn't, you know, you can go back and look at all of the others and all the other movements at the time.
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Thanks for all the laughs that, you know, that you've provided and all the joy.
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