The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 254 ｜ How God Helped ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ Star Raise Her Kids ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:19.280 Hollywood is an industry known for its family values, stable marriages, and overall morality.

00:01:28.200 Oh, wait.

00:01:29.100 No, the opposite of that.

00:01:30.700 But there is at least one couple in the film business that breaks the mold.

00:01:35.380 He's an accomplished actor and filmmaker, and you certainly know her from her iconic roles on shows like The Middle and Everybody Loves Raymond.

00:01:43.480 To discuss how to build a family, protect life, manage to stay married while working in Hollywood, welcome David Hunt and Patricia Heaton.

00:02:08.240 Patricia, David, how are you?

00:02:11.080 Hi, Glenn.

00:02:12.200 Hey, Glenn.

00:02:12.800 How are you?

00:02:13.740 I am great.

00:02:14.680 It is good to finally talk to you.

00:02:16.800 We've been trying to cross paths with you for a very long time.

00:02:20.920 You are so busy, and you rarely, rarely speak.

00:02:26.140 And I appreciate the time.

00:02:29.580 Oh, yes, sure.

00:02:31.000 I don't speak, but she does.

00:02:35.460 Dave would beg to differ.

00:02:37.100 Yeah.

00:02:37.400 I'd like to get a word in match-wise.

00:02:39.020 Right.

00:02:39.280 So let me just, let me start with the two of you first.

00:02:44.720 You are a miracle in Hollywood or, you know, in celebrity.

00:02:50.100 You've been married for 30 years, I think, right?

00:02:54.540 Is that right?

00:02:55.720 We're now 35th.

00:02:57.360 35th year.

00:02:58.380 And you met on stage.

00:03:02.040 You're both actors.

00:03:03.060 And that usually, I've always heard that usually never works out because somebody's always besting the other one.

00:03:10.120 And when somebody's career is up, somebody else's career is down.

00:03:12.920 I don't know if that's true or not.

00:03:14.820 But did you?

00:03:15.580 No, it's a weirder story.

00:03:17.400 It's a weirder story.

00:03:18.800 I sublet his apartment in New York to be closer to the guy I was dating.

00:03:28.460 It's a longer story, Glenn.

00:03:30.280 I'm actually thinking about writing a movie about it.

00:03:33.040 Joking aside, it's actually an extraordinary story, the way we actually met, because it was a real sliding doors kind of situation.

00:03:40.160 We discovered once we started dating that we had been working in restaurants on Columbus Avenue in the west side of Manhattan, two blocks from each other for about two years, and who we'd never met.

00:03:53.560 Hers was the only restaurant I hadn't been in in that entire strip.

00:03:57.180 Wow.

00:03:57.500 And it wasn't until she made a random phone call, which I can tell you that story another time if you want, but asking me if I wanted to sublet my apartment that we actually met.

00:04:07.420 And then how long before you dumped the other boyfriend, Patricia?

00:04:13.720 Well, and you dumped yours.

00:04:16.280 It was kind of simultaneous dumping.

00:04:18.520 Yeah.

00:04:19.360 I hate to use that phrase.

00:04:20.840 That's really unkind.

00:04:22.540 We broke up.

00:04:24.280 What did Gwyneth Feltro say?

00:04:27.460 We consciously uncoupled.

00:04:29.560 Yeah.

00:04:30.000 So what is the secret for having a marriage this long?

00:04:39.160 Because a lot of people think it can't be done.

00:04:42.120 My wife and I have been married for 25 years.

00:04:44.460 I mean, it can easily be done.

00:04:47.340 But what is it with you guys?

00:04:50.220 I thought this morning that it couldn't be done.

00:04:52.820 And if it wasn't for good...

00:04:58.340 We're here by the skin of our teeth.

00:05:01.500 The miracle we made this call.

00:05:05.980 Well, you know, George Harrison's wife said in an interview, they asked her, how did you stay together for so long with everything that went on in your lives?

00:05:16.780 And she said, we just didn't get divorced.

00:05:19.420 And that's kind of the bottom line.

00:05:22.700 I think you both have to have that commitment that you took your vows, your vows mean something, and you figure it out.

00:05:30.700 And I think outside of obvious things like any kind of physical abuse or mental or emotional abuse or, you know, something like that, things can be worked out.

00:05:42.140 And you should try to do everything you can, especially, I think, if you have kids.

00:05:48.560 And so a sense of humor.

00:05:51.440 A sense of humor, I think, is critical for us.

00:05:53.680 It saved us on many an occasion.

00:05:56.420 But, you know, I have to be honest that it's...

00:06:00.520 And Patty would agree here that, you know, there have been times when we've had our struggles like anyone else.

00:06:04.760 How can you possibly be with another person for so long?

00:06:10.760 And if you have any kind of real relationship, there's going to be conflict.

00:06:15.480 It's inevitable.

00:06:16.600 It's part of human nature.

00:06:17.900 So the idea that it's going to be perfect is absurd.

00:06:21.760 And I think that's what trips a lot of people up.

00:06:25.040 Yeah, after the first blush wears off.

00:06:27.100 Things get real.

00:06:28.200 In our first year of marriage, we were both bringing a lot of emotional baggage into the situation.

00:06:35.460 And, you know, there were a couple of moments where some pots and pans were hurled in my direction.

00:06:41.620 Thank God I was an athlete because I managed to pop and weave. 1.00

00:06:44.780 And I just made a dent to the kitchen cabinet, but not my head.

00:06:49.840 No, seriously.

00:06:51.060 Well, we're kind of the Bickersons.

00:06:52.540 We are a little bit of Bickersons, but people seem to get a kick out of it.

00:06:55.560 And somebody suggested recently that the two of us need to do a podcast.

00:06:59.400 And Patti rolled her eyes, and I thought, well, there you go.

00:07:01.780 We're off.

00:07:03.360 That's how it all starts.

00:07:06.760 But, you know, there have certainly been ups and downs.

00:07:09.520 And career-wise, just to your point, Glenn, about careers, you know, in the most simplest of terms,

00:07:18.260 Patti was nowhere when I met her, and I had a career that was booming.

00:07:22.320 I made a lot of bad decisions with my career choices.

00:07:27.440 But once we started having kids, that was a total game-changer.

00:07:32.680 And I, in fact, quit a couple of big jobs in order to be home because I didn't want to be a Hollywood divorce statistic.

00:07:42.880 And I also wanted to be a father to my sons.

00:07:45.740 I didn't want to be an absent dad.

00:07:47.820 And that resulted in, gosh, a 10-year hiatus or longer than that.

00:07:55.160 Anyway, it was a long time off from my acting career.

00:07:57.620 I basically threw away.

00:07:59.760 But during that time, we started a production company, and that's a whole other story.

00:08:03.620 But, you know, in the long term, no one is going to care about what movies or Broadway shows I turned down on my deathbed.

00:08:15.520 No one's going to be even thinking about that.

00:08:18.340 But my relationship with my sons and my wife is eternal.

00:08:23.400 And that's worth more than anything.

00:08:27.820 So, Patricia, let me ask you, because Tanya and I, we have the same kind of relationship.

00:08:31.860 I'm surprised neither of you mentioned faith because I know God plays such a big role with you.

00:08:35.600 But, you know, we've had our moments as well. 0.99

00:08:40.920 And exactly, you know, I asked my wife, my wife, who is so stupid, asked her for a prenup. 1.00

00:08:49.160 And she said, now I'm really not going to, I'm not interested in marrying you. 0.99

00:08:54.580 And I said, well, she said, I'm not negotiating an ending for something that has no ending.

00:08:59.800 You're either in it for life or you're not.

00:09:03.340 And she was right.

00:09:05.620 And she was right.

00:09:07.460 You have to have that state.

00:09:09.000 You have to just realize that there's no going anywhere.

00:09:12.000 This is it.

00:09:12.920 So figure it out.

00:09:15.320 Right.

00:09:15.980 And not give up on it.

00:09:18.120 But so, David, you took care of the kids.

00:09:22.540 And Patricia, then I assume you went to work.

00:09:26.180 Do you have, because I, I went to work and there are times when work is, I mean, relentless.

00:09:34.140 Do you have any regrets at all about that time period?

00:09:39.140 No, I'll tell you what.

00:09:39.940 God was really gracious in that.

00:09:45.320 So everybody, everybody loves Raymond started when we had a three-year-old, a one-year-old,

00:09:50.960 and I was pregnant with our third.

00:09:53.020 And it's a multi-cam show.

00:09:55.880 So you rehearse for four days from like 9.30 to five, five o'clock.

00:10:01.460 And you can bring the kids to work with you during those times because you're not in front

00:10:05.080 of an audience and they can, you know, the nanny can bring them, whatever. 1.00

00:10:09.040 And so, and you, you work three weeks on and one week off.

00:10:12.800 So you're one week off every month and you have three weeks off for Christmas, two weeks

00:10:18.320 off for Thanksgiving.

00:10:19.080 And then you finished in like April.

00:10:21.800 So you've got like three months in the summer.

00:10:23.560 So I really wasn't like I was away.

00:10:26.460 They were either with me at work or we were all at home together.

00:10:29.040 And Dave, we didn't completely stop working.

00:10:31.720 You had jobs here and there.

00:10:32.980 We had a nanny. 0.95

00:10:33.940 So it really worked out that I could be taking the kids to school in the morning, go to work.

00:10:41.860 They come home at three.

00:10:43.020 I get home at five, you know, kind of thing.

00:10:45.260 And so, and there were lots of kids on the set, writers, kids, actors, kids, you know,

00:10:51.620 it was a very family friendly show and welcoming to everybody with, with family.

00:10:56.160 So.

00:10:57.360 And I found that I loved taking the kids to school in the morning and bringing them home.

00:11:02.600 It was weird.

00:11:03.720 I never saw that about myself ever, but I found that I, I just loved it.

00:11:09.000 You know, cause I loved just being with them talking about songs on the radio or whatever

00:11:15.380 sat on the news that day.

00:11:16.840 And even when, yeah.

00:11:18.560 And even when the middle came along, that's a multi-camera show.

00:11:21.880 So it's much longer hours, 12 and 14 hours a day, but they were already in middle school

00:11:26.240 and high school.

00:11:26.900 So they were kind of at school until five or six o'clock with their activities and things.

00:11:31.800 So God really worked it out.

00:11:34.960 And as, you know, as far as our relationship goes and our faith, I mean, it's just kind

00:11:38.980 of baked in.

00:11:39.840 You're right.

00:11:40.480 We didn't mention faith, but cause we were talking about the practical nuts and bolts,

00:11:44.380 but we feel God has had a hand in, in everything that's happened in our lives.

00:11:49.260 Obviously.

00:11:50.240 In spite of myself, he's been there.

00:11:52.840 Yeah.

00:11:53.800 We met with a wonderful pastor at Hollywood Presbyterian church, which is where we got

00:11:59.680 married, uh, called Ralph Osborne, God rest his soul.

00:12:04.060 And he, he, the wonderful thing about Ralph was he was able to provide us with the wisdom

00:12:10.340 and the, the benefit of his long experience.

00:12:13.040 He'd been married at that point, gosh, 50 some years.

00:12:16.520 And, and he said, who do you want to be sitting next to in this, in the twilight of your life?

00:12:22.620 Um, do you want to be able to look back with a shared history and, and, and laugh and,

00:12:27.800 and, and, and bond about some grandkids and have grandkids or, or do you want to be alone?

00:12:33.220 And that was, you know, that's obviously a frightening perspective.

00:12:37.060 So, so that really, that really stuck with us, but also one of the biggest influences

00:12:41.320 in our lives, I think it's fair to say would be Tim Keller, who was the, um, wonderful,

00:12:48.980 a wonderful pastor who ran Redeemer Presbyterian in New York for many years until his passing,

00:12:54.960 uh, just a year or so ago, uh, we took his, um, marriage series of tapes very seriously.

00:13:04.380 And he sort of mentored us.

00:13:07.100 Um, uh, and he was always there for us.

00:13:10.640 You know, you'd have a little moment where you think, wow, we haven't been to church in

00:13:13.660 months and we're exhausted.

00:13:15.700 And he said, don't worry, these are all phases in your life.

00:13:18.200 Anyway, things like that.

00:13:19.820 So, so as I said, in spite of myself, um, God was gracious enough to keep me on a relatively

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00:14:49.240 I want to get to, um, the movie that came out and it's called Unexpected.

00:14:55.120 It's been out, but I found out from you that it is, what is it?

00:14:59.040 National, uh, National Infertility Awareness Month.

00:15:04.360 I didn't know that.

00:15:06.260 You're welcome.

00:15:07.400 Thank you.

00:15:08.080 Thank you for that.

00:15:08.980 So, um, why are you, why are you coming out?

00:15:13.180 Why is that important to you?

00:15:17.200 Uh, well, we have a heart for kids for sure.

00:15:21.040 Um, we have a lot of, well, let me just, can I backtrack just for a second?

00:15:25.100 Sure.

00:15:25.240 Um, because the, the, the movie is based on a book that we optioned way back in 2004.

00:15:30.640 And the book was essentially about, um, a couple that adopts animals and it's kind of

00:15:35.620 an amusing series of anecdotes.

00:15:37.880 Uh, and we wrote scripts based on that and it never really worked.

00:15:41.560 I turned to the, uh, writer after we did a play reading at our house in LA, uh, after

00:15:48.400 this particular reading, it sort of died to death.

00:15:50.620 And I said, it needs a different engine.

00:15:53.000 How about we make the couple childless that they can't have kids and they, they go on 1.00

00:15:57.460 a journey for adoption.

00:15:58.260 And that's why they're getting all these animals are a substitute for the children. 1.00

00:16:01.500 He said, Oh, what a great idea.

00:16:02.820 He called me a week later and said, uh, okay, I've got the first draft.

00:16:07.320 I said, what in a week?

00:16:08.640 He said, yeah, it just poured out of me.

00:16:10.980 And I said, how come?

00:16:12.220 He said, well, I never told you this, but both my daughters are adopted.

00:16:15.100 And we realized at that moment that we'd hit a nerve.

00:16:18.940 And then when the movie came out, we realized there were, there's so many people that this

00:16:25.320 issue affects.

00:16:26.620 Oh yeah.

00:16:27.020 And we've known some, some, some close friends who've been through this issue and it's been

00:16:32.240 incredibly painful, but weirdly it seems to be a subject that is not talked about very

00:16:37.660 much.

00:16:38.900 Um, it is so.

00:16:40.720 Because it's hard, it's hard, I think for people and, and when you don't want to ask

00:16:44.700 your friends, like, are you guys going to have kids?

00:16:47.120 Cause you don't know what's going on.

00:16:49.240 And, um, and often if it's, if they're struggling, then you don't know what to say.

00:16:54.700 And, and often I think, um, men are left out of, of the, of the conversation.

00:17:03.020 And one thing this movie did, one of our crew members said to us was, I'm so glad to see

00:17:08.360 you showing the man experiencing the emotions he's feeling about not being able to have

00:17:13.540 kids and the struggle he has.

00:17:15.720 Cause you don't see it as much as you do with the women. 0.97

00:17:17.660 And of course, obviously it's very powerful thing, uh, for women to, to experience, but 0.76

00:17:22.980 that men go through the, throw it too.

00:17:24.760 And here's another example, Glenn, you know, we've screened it all over the place, but we

00:17:28.100 did one particular screening that, that, that really hit home where we had gone out to

00:17:33.900 dinner with the guy who was, um, sort of sponsoring the whole evening.

00:17:37.060 And we, we do a Q and a afterwards, we walked in about 10 minutes before the end of the

00:17:41.520 screening.

00:17:41.900 There's a woman in the back row playing on her phone and both of us went, oh, they hated

00:17:45.840 it.

00:17:46.560 So we sort of trudge up stage for the Q and a and it's silence, no applause, which is

00:17:52.060 unusual because these people politely applaud.

00:17:55.740 Uh, and then a woman in the back got up and she's weeping.

00:17:59.440 And she said, thank you so much for telling this story with such humor and such love.

00:18:03.880 Nobody, nobody ever talks about this.

00:18:05.560 My husband and I have struggled with this issue for two years, blah.

00:18:09.760 And then one by one, members of the audience started getting up, telling exactly the same

00:18:15.920 story.

00:18:16.600 One guy in the third row, I never forget this.

00:18:20.300 He looked like he just walked off a construction site.

00:18:23.220 He said, my wife and I, I didn't even know what I was coming to see.

00:18:26.600 My wife dragged me in here tonight. 1.00

00:18:27.980 My wife and I have been through this for over a year and he couldn't even finish his sentence.

00:18:34.220 And then we realized, you know what?

00:18:36.300 We did the best we could, but then God takes over.

00:18:39.060 If it makes a difference in somebody's life, even just for that evening, you've done the

00:18:44.400 best that you possibly can because all of the rest of it is out of your control.

00:18:48.220 And that's when it came home to us that this is a really important issue that affects people

00:18:53.860 very deeply.

00:18:55.880 I, um, my son is adopted when Tanya and I got married, we couldn't have children.

00:19:02.100 And, uh, and we were both, we were both healthy and both fine.

00:19:07.020 Uh, and, uh, just, just couldn't have children.

00:19:11.660 And it was the hardest two or three years, I think of our marriage.

00:19:17.800 I mean, since then we've gone through real hell with some of the kids.

00:19:22.220 Um, but, uh, that was the hardest and it was hard for me because I was watching her, uh,

00:19:34.600 question everything about just being a woman.

00:19:38.180 And it was, it was, gosh, it's an awful thing.

00:19:42.300 And, uh, yes, and we finally decided to adopt and, uh, and that is frightening because you

00:19:50.280 wonder, you know, is that, how am I going to feel?

00:19:53.560 Is that really, I just, we love her son.

00:19:59.740 He's just, just, just the best.

00:20:03.480 I'm sorry.

00:20:03.920 I'm tearing up.

00:20:04.660 My son just, uh, went back.

00:20:06.260 Uh, he, he just moved out a couple of months ago and now he, he was, he was at home for

00:20:12.500 the, uh, weekend and I just took him to the airport and it was hard, you know, it's hard.

00:20:18.160 Yeah.

00:20:18.660 Hard.

00:20:19.180 It's always hard.

00:20:20.060 It never, it never gets easier.

00:20:21.980 Yeah.

00:20:22.380 And this movie is also about adoption too.

00:20:24.860 Well, the, the, the, the, some of the conversations in the film, uh, well, they're very authentic,

00:20:30.920 which is why people are hit hard by it.

00:20:33.020 Um, and so I would urge people, especially those people that have been struggling with

00:20:37.460 this issue.

00:20:38.200 And if you haven't had a chance to see it yet, Glenn, I, I would encourage you to watch

00:20:42.580 it because some, some of these, um, some of the conversations were lifted verbatim from

00:20:48.980 the writer's own experience with his own wife.

00:20:52.320 Um, but we don't pull any punches.

00:20:54.800 So it's not a sentimental look at this issue.

00:20:58.560 Um, but it's not, it's not dark.

00:21:00.660 Um, well, it's actually a quirky comedy, uh, that kind of takes a, as the title suggests

00:21:07.360 an unexpected twist.

00:21:09.100 Um, and, and to come at it that way.

00:21:12.120 So it's not, you know, it doesn't come off as heavy.

00:21:15.160 It actually comes off as fairly light and goofy to begin with.

00:21:19.240 And, um, there was some gut wrenching moments.

00:21:21.840 Yeah.

00:21:22.140 Toward the end.

00:21:22.640 There's one scene in particular that I must've seen a thousand times and I weep every single

00:21:27.000 time and I know what's coming.

00:21:28.620 Um, but, but, you know, coming from a comedy background, I think when you, you open people's

00:21:34.640 hearts up with laughter and they literally physically get energized by laughing at the

00:21:40.460 beginning of a movie, then they're primed to just really receive, you know, the movie.

00:21:45.040 And, um, it's, it's had a real great impact on our audiences.

00:21:49.300 10 million women between 15 and 49 either aren't able to get pregnant or to maintain a pregnancy.

00:22:01.140 Is that, is that number going up?

00:22:04.960 Has it always been that high?

00:22:07.540 You know what?

00:22:08.800 I'm not sure.

00:22:09.580 Well, I, I do believe that it is going up because there's also a problem with, uh, fertility

00:22:15.700 rates, um, right in, in Western culture period, as we all know, the birth rate in Western countries

00:22:21.960 is declining precipitously.

00:22:24.120 Yeah.

00:22:24.920 And, and men also, um, for some reason there seems to be, this could be environmental, could

00:22:29.680 be many reasons, but, but men's, um, uh, sperm count is, as, as plummeted.

00:22:35.260 What do you think this is?

00:22:38.120 Gosh, I don't know.

00:22:39.280 Well, you know, pot reduces your sperm count. 1.00

00:22:41.420 So if you're smoking pot, marijuana, that's not good for your, for your, um, uh, opportunities.

00:22:48.720 Stress and anxiety.

00:22:50.120 And I think, uh, you know, I, uh, for me, the jury's out on RFK, but I think he has the 0.73

00:22:56.840 right direction of like wanting to clean up what's in our food.

00:23:01.220 Yes.

00:23:01.660 I think, um, and so I think there's a lot of chemicals there that are probably,

00:23:05.260 probably affecting, you know, people's health and, and a big part of that is, is your fertility.

00:23:11.700 It's amazing to me how arrogant we are with such important things, food, AI that is coming.

00:23:22.040 We just think that, oh yeah, we can, yeah, let's, let's genetically modify all of our food

00:23:28.700 and it'll be fine.

00:23:29.800 And I think we're just starting to see the real ramifications of that.

00:23:34.420 Yeah.

00:23:36.340 And I think it's super complicated because I remember sitting on the set of the middle,

00:23:40.260 having this discussion about modified food.

00:23:44.980 And, um, on the one hand, you know, you, you want to know what, what they're using to spray

00:23:51.760 crops, to make them, you know, so large and what they're clumping up chickens with and

00:23:57.700 all that kind of thing.

00:23:58.400 On the other hand, the ability to, to the world, that feeds the world.

00:24:03.520 I know.

00:24:03.640 So there's, there's got, you know, there's, it's not some sort of link there because it's

00:24:09.760 beyond coincidence.

00:24:11.360 Right.

00:24:11.620 But there's a balance that, and I think it's hard to know until maybe sometimes it goes a

00:24:16.840 little too far.

00:24:17.380 Then you realize, oh, we have to pull back.

00:24:18.960 So, but also there are certain societal pressures, you know, and people are trying to get pregnant

00:24:24.200 much later in life.

00:24:25.940 Yes.

00:24:26.260 That's a, that's an issue getting married in their early twenties and, you know, as they

00:24:31.140 did in generations past.

00:24:32.840 Um, I mean, my mom was what, she was 20 when she had me, I think something like that.

00:24:39.560 21.

00:24:40.840 And that's, you know, that's, that's almost unheard of.

00:24:43.680 Yeah, I know.

00:24:44.260 And I think it's a huge mistake.

00:24:46.460 I mean, I, I, I just, I would have 10 children if I could, cause you just, they're just, there's

00:24:53.900 nothing better.

00:24:55.060 There is nothing better.

00:24:56.480 And you get to a, you do get to an age where you're like, this is really all that life is

00:25:01.680 about.

00:25:02.100 It's just that.

00:25:03.280 Yes.

00:25:03.800 And, um, and then you get to a point in your life too.

00:25:08.360 If you waited so long, a, you reduce your chances of being able to have your children.

00:25:13.780 And B, you get so old, you know, that you're like, I don't have time.

00:25:20.300 I can't keep up with you.

00:25:21.660 I'm really tired.

00:25:23.460 I'm really tired.

00:25:25.280 Yeah.

00:25:26.020 When you're talking to your six-year-old saying, just push me in the chair.

00:25:29.480 Well, come on.

00:25:33.340 Got daddy in a stroller.

00:25:34.900 I'm with you, Bernard.

00:25:36.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:38.000 Do you know, feed daddy.

00:25:39.640 It's, it's the Shakespearean cycle of life, right?

00:25:42.500 Right.

00:25:42.660 Um, uh, I'm with you, Glenn.

00:25:45.300 I, I think if Patty and I had met younger, um, there's no question we would have had,

00:25:51.340 uh, one or two more, maybe we have four, but, um, I didn't have, we didn't have our

00:25:57.340 first, uh, child until I was 35 and then we like cranked them out.

00:26:03.020 So, um, yeah, yeah, there it's fantastic and it's difficult.

00:26:08.200 It's the hardest thing you'll ever do.

00:26:10.580 Um, and it seems like it's never going to end.

00:26:13.740 And then at the, and then when they move out, you're like, what happened?

00:26:17.440 What, what, what happened?

00:26:19.760 Yeah.

00:26:20.080 It's so fast.

00:26:21.160 A friend of ours.

00:26:22.220 I know a friend of ours once said, who had six kids, by the way, we went to see him before

00:26:26.920 we had kids and all these kids are running around and we staggered out of his house, having

00:26:31.800 not been able to finish a sentence for the entire afternoon and said, that's it.

00:26:36.440 We're not having kids cut to, you know, here we are with, with all ours.

00:26:41.040 But he said, get some sleep when we first got pregnant and we just laughed like, oh, I haven't

00:26:49.680 slept since 1993.

00:26:51.660 Yeah.

00:26:52.380 Right.

00:26:52.860 You know, it's never the same, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

00:26:57.860 So what is unplanned childlessness?

00:27:01.320 Is that when you run out of time?

00:27:02.900 I think it is.

00:27:03.700 Yeah.

00:27:04.840 Yes.

00:27:05.360 That happens, I think, a lot now because people are, you know, they're, you're, you're

00:27:12.120 now an adolescent until you're almost 30 in our society, which is crazy.

00:27:18.640 I don't know when you actually become adult in our society anymore, but then you've, you're

00:27:24.320 30, 35, 40.

00:27:27.220 It's over.

00:27:27.860 I mean, you know, for children.

00:27:29.460 Yes.

00:27:31.080 Yes.

00:27:31.580 And, and I think we've, the society is, it's, it's, we've lost a bit of like, um, it's

00:27:41.000 about self-fulfillment a lot.

00:27:42.820 And there's nothing wrong with feeling like you're, you know, you're using your gifts and

00:27:48.420 you're changing, helping in the world and you're contributing, whatever.

00:27:52.300 But, um, I, I think you don't really discover yourself and your strengths and whatever until

00:27:57.700 you're stretched the way kids stretch you.

00:27:59.580 And I think we, what's, what's happened in societies is that you can't have kids until

00:28:03.920 you find yourself.

00:28:04.780 But I would say you don't find yourself really, truly until you have kids.

00:28:08.800 Yeah.

00:28:09.460 Yeah.

00:28:09.780 And so, and, and I feel like we're really in a place now where, because even though it's

00:28:14.900 not as big now as it was during the pandemic, but there is remote work.

00:28:20.020 And when I was long ago working with a group called Feminists for Life, this was, you know,

00:28:24.960 this was 20 years ago, they kept pushing for remote work for, you know, working moms and 0.97

00:28:31.900 nobody would do it.

00:28:32.800 And then the pandemic happened and it was all remote work.

00:28:35.340 And now it's a part of how we live.

00:28:38.400 And so I think for women, there's not a better time to, to, um, have kids and be working if, 1.00

00:28:45.060 if you have to do that, uh, than now, because there's ways to work it out.

00:28:49.360 And, you know, and a lot of corporations are willing to, to supply their workers with,

00:28:56.020 um, those opportunities to be moms also.

00:28:58.740 So I think it's a better time to be a mom.

00:29:01.220 I would contend, Glenn, this might be a wee bit controversial, but I would contend that

00:29:06.460 there are some aspects of the feminist movement that have been tremendously damaging to women.

00:29:11.580 And of course, I'm talking specifically about the idea that motherhood is a terrible thing

00:29:17.000 and it's a prison for women, which is in fact, the complete opposite. 1.00

00:29:22.220 Having children, in my humble opinion, is incredibly liberating.

00:29:26.460 So many levels, because it absolutely destroys your narcissism and your self-involvement.

00:29:32.540 So true.

00:29:33.260 There's no time for it.

00:29:34.540 You got to pick up the poop, for goodness sake.

00:29:36.380 You haven't got time to think about anything else. 0.97

00:29:38.900 And that's a wonderful thing, especially for a narcissistic egomaniac like myself.

00:29:44.260 Yeah, it's, um, it does.

00:29:46.540 It keeps you, it keeps you humble.

00:29:48.760 That's absolutely for sure.

00:29:51.220 Um, people say-

00:29:51.760 And also, I think there's been a movement-

00:29:53.340 Oh, I'm so sorry.

00:29:54.120 No, go ahead.

00:29:55.040 I was just, I was just going to say that there's also, in certain sections of society,

00:30:00.920 I've witnessed children being viewed as a kind of, um, not an appendage, but kind of like

00:30:07.700 an accessory to this glam, to this wonderful life.

00:30:10.700 You go to Italy and places like that, where kids are swarming around and are so much a

00:30:16.860 part of the culture and are beloved by everybody.

00:30:19.920 Nobody grimaces when a child is crying on a plane.

00:30:23.340 Um, I mean, the looks we used to get when we would bring our kids on airplanes.

00:30:27.460 I mean, I just thought, oh my goodness, who are you people?

00:30:32.240 But fortunately, our kids were super well-behaved, so we always got compliments at the end of

00:30:36.520 the flight.

00:30:36.980 People were like, oh, we were so worried.

00:30:38.680 But, you know, there's something in that that's, that I find just a little troubling.

00:30:44.800 Um, there, we also live in a society where things are so, things are deemed so bad, um,

00:30:54.140 especially with like climate change, which, boy, that's interesting.

00:30:59.340 But climate change, uh, you, I hear people all the time, I don't want to bring children

00:31:05.240 into this world.

00:31:06.180 What if it does, I mean, there's nobody, I am in, I am a optimistic catastrophist, uh,

00:31:15.020 in my worldview.

00:31:16.760 Um, but there's not, I mean, you, what, what if you're wrong?

00:31:23.360 You're, what if you're wrong?

00:31:24.640 Right.

00:31:25.640 And even if you're right, what about the child that would have been born that solves the problem?

00:31:31.300 Correct.

00:31:32.820 I mean, come on.

00:31:34.580 Yeah.

00:31:35.100 There's always been that group that says that there's a population bomb.

00:31:41.180 What is it called?

00:31:42.120 Paul Ehrlich.

00:31:42.900 Yeah.

00:31:43.500 And it's all, it's all BS.

00:31:45.220 It's all BS.

00:31:46.160 It's, it's a matter of being able to, to have resources, you know, getting to where they

00:31:53.680 need to get to.

00:31:54.600 That's the only problem.

00:31:55.620 We have a lot of food that's wasted on this planet.

00:31:58.220 There's countries that have not been developed because of the corruption of their governments,

00:32:02.860 but there's nothing wrong with having lots of people, more people, the better.

00:32:06.560 We just have to have the infrastructures and the, uh, the resources properly dispersed.

00:32:12.640 Especially in this country though, that is not hard to do.

00:32:16.200 When you drive across the country and you see the vast amounts of empty land.

00:32:21.360 Yes.

00:32:21.980 Uh, we, we are.

00:32:23.520 Correct.

00:32:24.000 We are so far away from our planet, not being able to handle, uh, the amount of people.

00:32:29.620 Sustained.

00:32:29.960 Yeah.

00:32:30.380 Yeah.

00:32:30.640 What, what are your thoughts, what are your thoughts on IVF?

00:32:36.140 Well, um, I'm Catholic.

00:32:38.580 We're both Catholic, even though we were in the Presbyterian world for a long time, still

00:32:43.440 Catholic, practicing Catholic.

00:32:45.060 All the way from church ring to Catholic.

00:32:47.420 Yeah.

00:32:48.000 And dragon kicking and screaming.

00:32:52.160 Um, so personally, and we didn't have to go through this, but I have thought about this

00:32:58.460 a lot, I, I don't have any judgment of people who use IVF.

00:33:05.800 No, I personally would probably not do it.

00:33:09.440 Um, and I just feel like, um, it, once you, you start doing stuff in laboratories and you

00:33:23.360 take it and listen, there's married couples who do this and it's their sperm and their egg 0.94

00:33:28.340 and that they're kids and that they just, you know, couldn't conceive in their natural way and

00:33:32.280 whatever.

00:33:33.100 I have, as I said, I have no judgment, but just as a Catholic, uh, the, the reason the church,

00:33:40.080 you know, and I don't even know actually what the church's actual position on IVF is, but it's,

00:33:45.340 it's, once you start taking it outside, then many iterations of that start to happen.

00:33:50.740 And, and then you have surrogacy and those issues with surrogacy.

00:33:54.780 And then you have people kind of purchasing children and then designing children.

00:33:59.000 And it just, it's a marketplace type thing now too.

00:34:03.380 And then there's all these kids in foster care and who are waiting to be adopted.

00:34:07.300 And, you know, so it, it, it turns into this thing.

00:34:10.460 As I said, I don't judge, I have friends who used IVF.

00:34:13.260 I'm so happy they have their children.

00:34:14.680 I have friends who have surrogates, very happy for their beautiful kids.

00:34:18.860 I personally wouldn't do, I don't, but we've never had to deal with it.

00:34:22.260 Maybe it's easier for me to say, but to play down the issue, I mean, you know, the question

00:34:28.480 can be posed, uh, what's wrong with a little medical assistance on the flip side of that

00:34:34.720 is the danger that we end up with an oldest Huxley and world, the brave new world of designer

00:34:39.960 children.

00:34:40.580 And we're close to that they want.

00:34:43.800 And we are very, very close to that.

00:34:45.720 And we flirted with that.

00:34:46.740 And, and in the gray area in between what we might conceive as right.

00:34:51.460 And obviously completely wrong.

00:34:53.240 There's a lot of abuse, you know, the sperm banks and all that kind of thing. 0.91

00:34:57.140 That's a whole other issue, but, but there's always abuse because human beings are humanly

00:35:04.260 flawed.

00:35:04.640 Yeah.

00:35:05.660 Yeah.

00:35:06.380 The, uh, um, I just read something from the founders.

00:35:09.660 I was giving a speech for a pro-life group last week and, uh, I'm trying to remember which

00:35:15.960 founder it was, but not a founder that you, any of us have really heard of.

00:35:21.420 Um, he is the only guy that was, uh, signed the declaration, the constitution, and was a Supreme

00:35:28.820 court justice.

00:35:29.600 And he wrote right around the founding of when does a child become a child?

00:35:35.580 When, when is it, when's it, when, when is their life?

00:35:40.200 And he said, as soon as it stirs the quickening, they used to call it as soon as it stirs, as

00:35:47.000 soon as mom knows that there is life inside of her.

00:35:52.180 But that is just that, that, that measurement is, we know almost right away.

00:35:59.720 Now we, we can know there's life inside of you almost immediately.

00:36:04.580 So everything just seems to be getting closer and closer.

00:36:08.480 And it's, you know, you don't want to be wrong on this whole life thing.

00:36:13.680 At least I don't.

00:36:14.460 No, no.

00:36:16.440 And, uh, yeah, I think you can, you can completely support, you know, the pro-life position from

00:36:23.240 an atheist point of view.

00:36:24.560 It's really, it's really, uh, human rights and civil rights.

00:36:27.960 Yeah.

00:36:28.620 And the question is, when does life begin?

00:36:30.440 And all science will tell you, it begins at conception.

00:36:33.100 Right.

00:36:33.620 And it's a human life.

00:36:34.900 So I think, you know, that that's how I've come to my position.

00:36:40.560 I think, I think we've, I think we've changed as, uh, as a people, you know, I, I, uh, I can

00:36:49.260 never join the pro-life people that were out with the abortion trucks, you know, or shouting

00:36:54.320 at people, you know, um, because most cases, most cases, the women that are going are not 0.89

00:37:03.000 the serial, you know, uh, abortion stops.

00:37:07.540 They're the ones who don't feel like they have any support whatsoever.

00:37:11.220 They feel trapped.

00:37:12.640 They don't know what to do.

00:37:13.780 And you're starting to see now as a pro-life people will talk to those moms once they, once 0.97

00:37:23.800 they see an ultrasound, that's the big thing.

00:37:25.960 Once they see an ultrasound and then you talk to them, sometimes it's pretty easy to solve

00:37:32.400 the problems that are causing mom to think, I can't have a baby, you know?

00:37:39.960 Right.

00:37:40.820 You know, and there's been interesting phenomenons, like a woman will find out she's pregnant and

00:37:44.960 she wants to abort and then they find out it's twins and she doesn't want to abort. 0.97

00:37:50.780 Like there's weird, you know, stuff that makes people, um, uh, change their mind.

00:37:58.540 And I think it's interesting that at a place like Planned Parenthood, they don't want to

00:38:02.260 show you the ultrasound.

00:38:03.020 Yes, they're not, they're not, you know, so, um, you know, there's a, there's definitely

00:38:08.960 a movement where they are invested in abortion.

00:38:12.160 And, and if, if, if it were really, truly a pro-choice situation, you know, maybe I wouldn't

00:38:18.280 have that much difficulty, but I don't think it's really pro-choice.

00:38:21.380 There's a very vast amount of people who are committed to making sure they happen.

00:38:25.220 Yeah, it's a really dark, dark agenda.

00:38:28.240 Really dark.

00:38:29.200 Yeah.

00:38:30.020 Really dark.

00:38:30.980 Just from the, my personal male perspective, when our eldest son was seven weeks old in the

00:38:37.840 womb and I remember seeing the very first ultrasound, I have to confess that up to that

00:38:42.060 point, my, any views I may or may not have had on abortion were fuzzy at best.

00:38:47.800 Um, I, I think I was in that kind of, um, that shameful male school of like, ah, it doesn't

00:38:55.440 really affect me kind of thing.

00:38:57.440 Well, when I saw his little tiny heart beating in the middle of what, what was basically the

00:39:02.540 size of a lima bean, I completely fell apart.

00:39:07.300 I was destroyed because I'd seen it in a way that was so real, but I'd never seen before

00:39:11.920 that I could never go back.

00:39:16.220 I, uh, my first daughter was born, um, with cerebral palsy and, um, she had strokes at birth

00:39:25.400 and they said, I mean, at this time, I'm an, I'm a 19 year old kid.

00:39:31.580 I don't know what I'm doing.

00:39:33.560 You know what I mean?

00:39:34.120 And, um, so she, the doctors are, you know, taking her in for cat scans and she just fit

00:39:43.280 in the little headrest.

00:39:44.600 I'll never forget.

00:39:45.960 And, um, the doctors came back and they, they had a scan and they said, black, black means

00:39:54.660 blood.

00:39:55.720 Blood is bad.

00:39:57.740 And they took out the scan and it was almost all black.

00:40:01.160 And, uh, and they, I said, what does that mean?

00:40:06.000 And they said, she probably won't feed herself. 1.00

00:40:08.760 She probably won't talk, walk in going outgoing speech, all of these horrible, horrible things. 0.99

00:40:16.600 And to my shame, if you would have said that to me before she was born, I probably would

00:40:23.380 have said, that's no life.

00:40:25.580 That's no life.

00:40:26.840 Right.

00:40:27.080 I have learned.

00:40:28.080 My daughter is not like that.

00:40:29.500 She graduated from college, um, and she's the joy of my life.

00:40:35.260 And she is, she's taught me more than any other human alive.

00:40:41.860 Uh, it's, it's, it's remarkable how we don't know.

00:40:48.280 Doctors don't know.

00:40:49.440 And even if it turns out that what we deem is bad, it's actually not bad.

00:40:56.260 Right.

00:40:57.140 Right.

00:40:57.480 And, you know, just to hear that story, uh, we know so many parents who have kids with

00:41:04.460 special needs, down syndrome, autism, all kinds of stuff.

00:41:09.360 And I think that's one thing where if, if we were going to step up more than pro-life

00:41:15.740 people already have, this is, is really getting the government.

00:41:18.620 And there is a lot of support.

00:41:20.020 You get social security if you have, if you're, if you have a disability and what have you,

00:41:23.560 but, but really communities supporting and including parents, supporting parents with

00:41:31.580 disability and including parents with kids with disabilities, excuse me.

00:41:35.060 And, um, you know, I, you see it, I see it a little, as many problems as the UK have, I feel

00:41:41.840 like I see that a lot, uh, out in public more with kids with disabilities.

00:41:47.040 And, um, and that's a really important part of, I think that our government should continue

00:41:52.740 to focus on is making sure all those parents have help.

00:41:55.660 But parents who have kids with disabilities, they do a really incredible job of making those

00:42:01.680 things happen in their community.

00:42:03.200 Almost all those great programs that you find for kids with issues have been started

00:42:08.780 by parents who couldn't find any program and so started it themselves.

00:42:13.220 It's, it's really disturbing to me to see what's going on in Canada with MAID, where now they're

00:42:18.940 talking about, it can be depression, kids, teenagers, doesn't matter.

00:42:25.080 I mean, this is a death cult, an absolute death cult.

00:42:29.640 Well, when you have socialism running something and, and people are costly who have disabilities 0.66

00:42:37.140 to care for, and then the government is much more likely to say, here's a way out of your

00:42:43.300 pain, because then it gets them off of their, their role.

00:42:48.420 So they don't have to pay anymore.

00:42:50.240 That's the real, that's a huge problem with, uh, with socialism, the kind of medicine they

00:42:55.660 have there.

00:42:56.100 You know, you, I'm not saying what we have here is by any means perfect, but, um, to,

00:43:02.480 to have a solution to a problem, be killing yourself is, is really, really reached rock

00:43:08.320 bottom.

00:43:08.860 Yeah.

00:43:09.280 Yeah.

00:43:09.640 I, I, I spoke to a guy who runs Singularity University, um, uh, Ray Kurzweil.

00:43:17.100 He's, you know, a leader in AI.

00:43:19.600 And he told me once, you know, you only have to live until 2030, Glenn, because then there

00:43:24.860 will be no death.

00:43:26.060 And I said, what do you, what do you, what do you mean?

00:43:28.020 And he said, we'll be able to download you into a computer.

00:43:33.580 And I said, Ray, that's not life.

00:43:36.840 And he said, oh yeah, oh yes it is.

00:43:39.880 What's the difference?

00:43:40.820 And I said, well, soul.

00:43:41.860 And he said, you can't prove that there's a soul.

00:43:43.600 And, uh, I realized you want to talk about made on steroids.

00:43:50.080 If grandma, grandpa, anyone gets sick, don't worry.

00:43:54.060 They'll live forever.

00:43:55.200 We don't have to treat that.

00:43:56.600 Let's just put them out of the paint.

00:43:57.780 We'll download them.

00:43:58.920 They'll be with you forever.

00:44:00.420 I mean, it's, it's a, it's a terrifying world.

00:44:04.120 Oh my gosh.

00:44:05.200 That's so, you know, when you first mentioned AI, I'm like, well, I find that AI useful.

00:44:12.240 Now I'm going like, oh my gosh, AI.

00:44:15.960 Oh yeah.

00:44:16.220 There's, there's things.

00:44:18.340 Yeah.

00:44:18.860 Sorry.

00:44:19.480 It's just that we, you know, people haven't thought, I've thought about this since the

00:44:23.320 nineties, um, been studying AI and, and it's, it is tremendous what's coming.

00:44:29.100 It is also a horror show what's coming.

00:44:31.360 And the scary thing is, is nobody's dealing with it.

00:44:35.420 Nobody's thinking about these deep, deep issues.

00:44:38.240 And if we treat a lot, AI, like we treated social media, who were doomed, we're absolutely

00:44:45.500 doomed.

00:44:46.260 But how would you, how would you, how would you, yeah.

00:44:48.840 How would you legislate for something that isn't here yet?

00:44:52.000 Like, how do you, what do you do about it at this point before it's become that kind of

00:44:57.080 reality?

00:44:57.740 The biggest thing you do is, yeah, you put guardrails on personhood.

00:45:03.440 You cannot be digital and a person because that's, that's where it's going to slip out

00:45:11.660 of our fingers is people will declare that it will eventually declare personhood.

00:45:17.540 And, uh, and that's not very far away.

00:45:20.480 There are people right now.

00:45:21.680 Okay.

00:45:22.440 I see what you're saying right now that think that that's their boyfriend and they're in

00:45:26.440 love with their boyfriend and it's AI.

00:45:28.020 And you don't want anywhere near this.

00:45:31.080 We have to think that's not a person ever, ever.

00:45:36.060 Is anybody doing any kind of thinking about legislation about those things?

00:45:40.380 Is there anybody looking at that?

00:45:41.820 Yeah, there, there are, there, there's a one guy, uh, two, actually two guys that were both

00:45:47.040 ethicists.

00:45:48.040 One I think was from Google and I'm not sure where the other one was from.

00:45:50.760 Um, um, and they realized that there's no ethics here, you know, they were the ethicist

00:45:56.000 and they were like, guys, we got to stop and have a conversation.

00:45:58.560 There were no ethics and ethics they're moving.

00:46:01.620 Yeah.

00:46:02.040 There's no, there's, uh, they're moving too fast.

00:46:06.500 They're moving too fast.

00:46:07.840 Yeah.

00:46:08.100 And we'll get to that later, you know?

00:46:10.580 And I, I was reading, I was reading a quote from Jefferson and he used newspapers.

00:46:15.040 Um, but, uh, I just changed the newspapers to social media.

00:46:21.480 He said, um, uh, a man is, uh, much more educated if he never reads anything at all over a man 0.91

00:46:35.620 who only reads the newspapers.

00:46:37.940 And I, I would suggest if you change newspapers to social media and we're educating ourselves 1.00

00:46:44.820 on social media, you're an imbecile. 0.99

00:46:47.340 If that's where you get all of your information, you know, look how fast that changes. 1.00

00:46:53.380 I'm 50% an imbecile. 0.99

00:46:57.540 Dave will tell you, I'm always like, um, but you, I know you do other things. 0.99

00:47:04.300 You're not just, you're not getting all of your, you're not getting your education from

00:47:08.160 social media.

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00:48:53.160 Let me go back to Hollywood.

00:48:55.020 They're moving, they're trying to move Hollywood to Austin, Texas, which scares the heck out of me,

00:49:01.440 seeing I'm in Dallas, Texas.

00:49:04.220 And I know you guys got away from Hollywood as soon as you could.

00:49:10.100 Yeah, we're trying to move it to Nashville.

00:49:11.520 We're actually trying to raise money specifically for that, to build a film and TV industry and

00:49:20.780 theater industry outside of the LA, New York bubble.

00:49:26.100 So how do you do that and not bring all of the crap that comes with it?

00:49:31.980 Well, Tennessee, in their legislature, when they're working to set up kind of funding and rebates and stuff,

00:49:41.460 they're putting things in there like it has to be a certain type of content,

00:49:46.260 so they wouldn't ever give rebates to pornography or anything that puts down state or...

00:49:53.260 But ultimately, the content creators, which is what it comes down to, which is why we're obviously we're hoping people would back us,

00:50:02.900 given the history that we have and the kinds of projects that we've already produced.

00:50:07.360 So, again, it's tricky, but we've heard that from politicians.

00:50:13.100 Oh, we don't want, you know...

00:50:14.360 Hollywood values.

00:50:14.920 Hollywood values, and I'm not even sure what Hollywood values are, because that's kind of an oxymoron.

00:50:21.120 But, oops, sorry, all my friends in LA.

00:50:25.580 Yeah, so, you know, it's a tricky one, but ultimately, you have to...

00:50:33.320 I think the content creators have to prove themselves, really.

00:50:36.660 There's an enormous underserved audience in the United States.

00:50:41.500 Huge.

00:50:42.580 Actually, globally.

00:50:44.300 Actually, I would suggest globally.

00:50:46.300 There are stats available for that.

00:50:49.860 The show that people want content, they want good entertainment.

00:50:54.140 And it's not that you have to make, you know, just Billy Graham movies.

00:50:58.980 No disrespect to Billy Graham, but you know what I'm saying.

00:51:01.560 Yeah, I do.

00:51:01.900 You don't have to make sentimental nonsense.

00:51:04.020 You can still produce things with excellence and have great stories that don't shy away from the reality of the human condition.

00:51:11.900 But people want to see hope.

00:51:14.000 They want to see redemption.

00:51:15.540 They want to see forgiveness.

00:51:17.100 These themes that have been so absent for so long.

00:51:20.020 And, you know, I do have to say this, and this probably will get me some enemies,

00:51:23.860 but...

00:51:24.860 You don't have to say it, but go ahead.

00:51:26.960 I don't have to say it, of course.

00:51:28.680 Maybe I should shut up right now.

00:51:30.400 Hello, Lee.

00:51:30.780 Right before we take that show out to pitch.

00:51:35.120 Now you've thrown me.

00:51:38.000 Sorry.

00:51:39.020 That was my cunning plan.

00:51:40.640 It was a brilliant plan because it worked.

00:51:45.960 Yeah, maybe I shouldn't say anything.

00:51:47.660 Well, but we found that the kind of people who are attracted to Nashville, who are moving to Tennessee, share those values,

00:51:56.080 and they're leaving Hollywood or New York or Chicago because they have felt not at home for so many years

00:52:03.800 and feel that their worldview and the stories they want to tell aren't being told or Hollywood doesn't want to tell them.

00:52:13.300 Although it's weird because I think, you know, there's a certain bottom line also to Hollywood.

00:52:18.900 They need to make money, and I think they would like to tap into this space, and they kind of don't know how.

00:52:23.240 So I feel like we're seeing them kind of when you see Angel Studios or Andy Irwin at Kingdom Story,

00:52:32.760 and you see John Irwin has the Wonder Project now, and it's out there, and it's coming.

00:52:38.940 I'm trying to do the same thing.

00:52:40.140 Look, in 2008, we made a movie called Amazing Grace about the abolition of slavery in the British Empire.

00:52:46.920 So good.

00:52:47.860 So good.

00:52:48.460 And we, in a sense, you could say that we were ahead of our curve, but what we didn't have was the financial backing to really continue that in any significant way.

00:52:58.240 I think now the environment is a little different, and just like there's an economic shift going on, there's also a cultural shift going on,

00:53:08.100 and I think people are more receptive both in the investment community and in the marketplace for content that's more like that.

00:53:17.640 In the most general sense.

00:53:19.780 It's really stunned me how, for the longest time, Christians did not know how to make movies, because all they cared about was the message, 1.00

00:53:28.400 and just got to get the message.

00:53:29.680 And you're like, I can't bring my friends to this.

00:53:31.980 I want to, and I can't bring my friends to this, because they're going to just be beaten over the head with the message.

00:53:37.220 And Hollywood had it right.

00:53:39.380 Now, if you look at Snow White, Snow White, what?

00:53:45.340 All they care about is message.

00:53:48.160 We've switched places.

00:53:50.600 Interesting.

00:53:51.520 Yeah, that's an interesting observation.

00:53:54.100 You even look at House of David, which I think is Erwin.

00:53:59.240 That is just John Erwin at Wonder Project.

00:54:01.600 Yeah, and I know that's about the Bible, but it's not pounding in your face.

00:54:05.440 It's a great story, just a great story.

00:54:09.460 And it's so weird how we've just switched places.

00:54:12.980 I wonder how long it's going to be before they wake up and go, oh, they don't want message movies.

00:54:18.660 Well, Rick.

00:54:19.400 Well, go ahead.

00:54:20.580 I was just going to say, I'm just about to do a little bit on The Chosen, which I'm actually really looking forward to.

00:54:26.900 I think Hollywood is all about money.

00:54:34.220 Somebody once joked to us that Hitler could have showed up in Hollywood if he had a great script under his arm. 0.62

00:54:42.220 They would have said, yeah, sorry about that whole Holocaust thing, Adolf.

00:54:45.140 We want to make your movie because we think it's going to make us a lot of money.

00:54:48.300 And that's the harshest way of looking at it.

00:54:50.740 In the same way, they're looking at this space going, well, so many of our movies are tanking because of the message we keep sending out.

00:55:01.320 So how do we, they don't really know who this audience is.

00:55:06.260 They don't know how to speak to them.

00:55:08.260 We do.

00:55:09.000 So let's use your show as a plug to anybody out there with a couple of dollars in the bank.

00:55:16.200 But, you know, I also think that it used to be.

00:55:19.800 So my favorite movie of all time, Dave, stick it here.

00:55:22.140 Let me say this.

00:55:22.520 That's right.

00:55:22.880 Is On the Waterfront with Marlon Brando, even Marie St.

00:55:26.580 And Carl Malden plays the priest at this mob run, you know, dock in New York.

00:55:33.180 And, you know, Marlon Brando's brother is a mobster and he's, and Marlon Brando's on the take.

00:55:41.240 And he has to make a decision as to whether he's going to rat out on his brother and turn in the mob.

00:55:48.380 And it's this big moral decision.

00:55:50.080 And Carl Malden as the priest has this incredible monologue.

00:55:53.380 I don't know, you probably saw it many years ago, but if you haven't watched it or haven't seen it a long time, watch it again.

00:55:58.840 This was an Oscar winning Hollywood movie to me, the greatest movie ever made.

00:56:04.020 Greatest script, music, acting, directing, everything.

00:56:09.240 And it has Carl Malden doing a whole thing about Christ being here on the docks and Christ seeing what's happening to you.

00:56:16.980 And how would he who spoke up against every evil feel about your silence?

00:56:22.180 It's, it's this beautiful monologue.

00:56:25.240 And that was a, that wasn't considered a faith based film.

00:56:28.980 It was just a great story about a, you know, a moral dilemma.

00:56:33.620 And, and God was just a natural part of that because it used to be in our country.

00:56:38.260 We all shared certain foundational beliefs about God, about history, about our country.

00:56:47.360 Um, and that's kind of been blowing up for so many years, um, uh, with, through universities.

00:56:55.320 And, and so people have a really distorted view of this country.

00:56:59.960 They don't have, you know, you can criticize America and there's lots of things, a lot of room for improvement, but I've traveled with world vision to a lot of different countries.

00:57:08.920 And, you know, to say this country is, you know, a terrible place. 0.98

00:57:13.900 It's ridiculous. 0.70

00:57:14.660 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from Winners, I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners? 0.71

00:57:23.680 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. 1.00

00:57:26.400 Are those from Winners?

00:57:27.920 Ooh, are those beautiful gold earrings.

00:57:30.400 Did she pay full price?

00:57:31.740 Or that leather tote?

00:57:32.740 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:57:33.940 Or those knee-high boots?

00:57:35.420 That dress?

00:57:36.200 That jacket?

00:57:36.880 Those shoes?

00:57:37.900 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:57:40.820 Stop wondering.

00:57:42.120 Start winning.

00:57:42.660 Winners.

00:57:43.460 Find fabulous for less.

00:57:45.240 What it's being replaced with is even more terrifying.

00:57:48.080 Watching the stats on, on anti-Semitism is terrifying.

00:57:54.100 I said, when I was at Fox in 2008, I said, if we allow this to grow now, we will see on our streets the exact kind of hatred that was happening in the 1930s in Europe.

00:58:06.760 It'll be happening here.

00:58:08.400 And everybody mocked me for it.

00:58:10.720 And here we are.

00:58:11.840 It is terrifying.

00:58:13.180 Here we are.

00:58:14.040 Terrifying what's going on.

00:58:15.260 Yes.

00:58:16.160 And imagine how Jewish people feel. 0.50

00:58:18.620 I know.

00:58:19.060 I mean, this is what, you know, I...

00:58:21.520 Well, there's a lot of problems.

00:58:23.200 Obviously, the education, the education system in this country is in desperate need of massive reform, particularly at the higher education level.

00:58:31.700 But as G.K. Chesterton once said, if you don't worship, if you don't worship God or you don't believe in God, then something's going to have to rush into that vacuum.

00:58:40.340 Correct.

00:58:40.600 In the end, you'll believe in anything.

00:58:42.300 Anything at all.

00:58:43.260 Right.

00:58:43.500 You can just make it up tomorrow.

00:58:45.460 And that's what we're seeing. 1.00

00:58:46.960 And you're seeing 21st century postmodernist nonsense, idiotic nonsense, pervasive in major learning institutions in this country, peddling crap. 1.00

00:59:01.360 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:59:01.840 There's no other way to describe it.

00:59:03.980 It's lies.

00:59:05.140 It reminds me a lot of the Soviet Union.

00:59:09.560 It reminds me of the kind of... 0.64

00:59:12.760 That, to me, is the Orwellian nightmare, is the way that young people's hearts and minds are changed by being perpetually told that, especially if you're white, you're bad. 0.98

00:59:25.940 You're the problem. 0.99

00:59:27.580 Western civilization is the problem. 0.86

00:59:29.720 I've heard people in interviews, you know, you have those street interviews.

00:59:33.180 Oh, well, America's a country built on racism. 0.97

00:59:35.560 And you just go...

00:59:36.280 Or colonization.

00:59:38.160 It's like, I don't know, there's so much ignorance out there that it's really hard to counter that.

00:59:46.240 What I think is even scarier is if you take a person who's sort of indoctrinated and you can show them the facts, you can show them Hamas body cam footage that they themselves put on social media, they put on the internet, and they will deny what they're seeing with their own eyes.

01:00:05.220 Like, you can look at history, look at the Bible, say, if you want to know where the Jews' land is, just read this, you know, 5,000-year-old book.

01:00:15.920 Right.

01:00:16.360 And you'll see where they were, and they'll deny it.

01:00:20.700 That's what's worse.

01:00:22.060 It's one thing to always have misinformation out there, but when you give people facts and they refuse to accept them, then I don't know where you go.

01:00:29.320 I've never really understood.

01:00:32.260 This didn't even mean anything to me until recently that the root of the word culture is cult.

01:00:38.680 And the culture that we have right now is becoming a cult.

01:00:45.420 It's driving you away from your family.

01:00:47.780 It's telling you don't listen to your friends, change your friends.

01:00:51.100 If it disagrees with a cult leader, I mean, it's frightening.

01:00:55.900 It's frightening.

01:00:56.560 Our culture is becoming a cult.

01:00:59.340 You guys started, what is it, the organization that you did?

01:01:06.080 October 7th Coalition.

01:01:07.800 Yeah, okay.

01:01:08.480 7th Coalition, 07C.

01:01:11.120 Yes, and that happened after I saw that body cam footage.

01:01:14.660 And I just expected a huge outcry across America against what had happened in Israel.

01:01:22.360 And it was like crickets.

01:01:23.760 And, you know, we live in a city where many, many, there's more churches per capita here than I think any other city in the country.

01:01:31.380 And so many people have been to Israel.

01:01:33.340 They love Israel.

01:01:34.440 A lot of them don't know their own Jewish neighbors at home.

01:01:37.300 When they come back.

01:01:39.080 And I think I just felt like something needed to be done.

01:01:44.920 How can Christians, you know, give people the benefit of the doubt? 1.00

01:01:49.640 I think more pastors need to stand up.

01:01:51.980 Yes.

01:01:52.420 And they're very afraid to offend Muslims is the problem.

01:01:55.960 You know what? 0.95

01:01:56.640 They're afraid to offend Muslims.

01:01:58.500 It's our pastors and our pulpits that have failed us.

01:02:02.000 They usually do in bad times.

01:02:04.100 But that is the root of the problem.

01:02:06.720 They have got to stand up and lead.

01:02:09.620 Yes, they do.

01:02:11.800 And what we're trying to do is find, you know, our motto is to activate people, Christians, to be visibly and vocally supportive of the Jewish people of Israel's right to exist and to fight anti-Semitism.

01:02:25.820 And we've been going cities to city, putting unity dinners together, getting Christians and Jews together.

01:02:32.500 We, you know, it's fine in peacetime.

01:02:35.660 Jewish people are doing Jewish things. 0.98

01:02:37.220 Christians are doing Christian things. 0.97

01:02:38.960 But in times like these, we have to be united.

01:02:41.440 Yes, we do.

01:02:42.140 And we have to be very vocal.

01:02:43.780 The other side is really well funded.

01:02:45.780 They're really well organized.

01:02:47.280 And they've indoctrinated a lot of people.

01:02:49.420 This is a battle for Western civilization.

01:02:51.380 Yes.

01:02:51.820 It cannot be understated.

01:02:53.680 I know for myself, October the 8th, I'm looking at thousands of people on the streets of London with placards and banners that seem to have been miraculously produced inside about 12 hours after the attacks.

01:03:06.180 Interesting.

01:03:07.640 Pro-Hamas. 0.73

01:03:08.760 Well, yeah, the pro-Hamas. 0.98

01:03:10.040 And you go, OK, well, clearly this is orchestrated.

01:03:12.820 Clearly it's a campaign.

01:03:13.840 And then when the prime minister of Great Britain comes out and says Islamophobia is the biggest problem in the United Kingdom, which is a lie, you talk to the intelligence communities and they will tell you where the real issues are.

01:03:26.700 So, you know, right wing white supremacism and, oh, gosh, it's terrifying.

01:03:34.540 It's a massive, massive issue.

01:03:37.160 And people do not understand the propaganda behind all of this.

01:03:42.440 What's frightening to me is it happens so quickly and people bought into it immediately.

01:03:49.220 And that's what I find so distressing about it.

01:03:52.040 Well, and it's hard to figure out why other than just Jew hatred, because there isn't a real, it doesn't make sense. 0.72

01:03:59.660 And so you get back to that very, the kernel of the question is why the Jew hatred, which is the question Jews have been asking since they've been hated, which is since they were formed. 0.57

01:04:11.960 And I feel as if you're a person of faith, you can see why, because Christ, Jesus came through the Jewish people, that that would be one of Satan's main places to attack is the Jewish people. 0.84

01:04:28.680 Because of Christ coming through them, if you wanted to look at it from a spiritual point of view.

01:04:35.120 If you believe in Satan, when Satan heard God say to Abraham, your people are my people and I'm going to protect them forever.

01:04:44.700 You'll have a group of what, 300, 500 people stand there.

01:04:48.360 Satan has got to go, all I have to do to get him to break his promise, which God can't do, and I win, is break that.

01:04:55.860 So it's 16 million now.

01:04:57.420 It's not that hard.

01:04:58.520 I can still win.

01:04:59.360 I think it's the root of all of this stuff is evil.

01:05:04.280 It's all evil.

01:05:06.280 It's all tied together.

01:05:07.800 The death cult.

01:05:09.120 I mean, the Jewish people are the ones that were the first ones to say life, choose life. 0.99

01:05:16.180 Yes.

01:05:16.800 Yes.

01:05:17.120 And you go over there and it's, they're welcoming, you know, I mean, look, they have, Israel has their own issues, but it's just a wonderful, welcoming, warm place for all people.

01:05:28.940 It's a vibrant place.

01:05:29.940 They produce so much science and technology and, and they want peace.

01:05:34.380 They've never started a war.

01:05:36.020 They want peace.

01:05:37.180 And they've never broken a ceasefire.

01:05:39.320 They want peace.

01:05:40.700 And so, you know, I, I think, you know, there's, we were just listening to a guy talking about radical Muslims are probably 15%, 20%, maybe the population.

01:05:50.860 Just 20%, that still represents.

01:05:52.480 15 million people, but the tipping point, but the tipping point probably means about 200 million Muslims are radicalized.

01:06:01.460 Right.

01:06:01.760 And the tipping, tipping point, remember, is only about 17 to 21% of a population.

01:06:08.480 If they're really dedicated to that amount of a population, any population makes a difference.

01:06:15.160 Yeah.

01:06:15.460 There are cities in Britain where that's already been passed, but, but I just want to go back for the educational component, because this is, this is so critical.

01:06:23.260 And this applies to churches as well as schools, and that is that, you know, even if you don't teach the apologetics of Christianity, even if that's a secondary concern, if you just taught the history, it would make a massive, massive, massive difference to the way people view the world.

01:06:43.600 The fact is that there's an entire generation of young people in this country, well, in the West, who have no clue, haven't been taught that at all, because it's been eviscerated from, from syllabuses across the land.

01:06:58.180 And that's a very, very dangerous.

01:07:01.140 Was it Hitchens?

01:07:02.200 I think it was Hitchens that said, you can't read Shakespeare without the Bible.

01:07:07.440 You have to teach the Bible or you won't understand Western culture at all.

01:07:12.720 That's right.

01:07:13.600 Yeah.

01:07:13.980 That's right.

01:07:14.500 And it's, by the way, you can teach it as a purely historical document, which is what it is. 0.81

01:07:20.280 You know, I mean, to, to ban it from schools is ludicrous.

01:07:25.140 Well, you're also this, you know, people do, I hate to go on a rant, but just a mini one.

01:07:29.400 When people go on about justice, you know, I just, I just need, I want to sit them down and stare them right in the face and say, do you have any idea whether the, the, the, the whole concept of justice?

01:07:43.400 Justice came from, it comes directly from, from the Jewish and the Christian traditions.

01:07:49.900 Right.

01:07:50.280 It did not exist on planet earth until that happened.

01:07:56.240 Yeah.

01:07:56.460 It just didn't, you know, you can go back and look at all of the others and all the other movements at the time.

01:08:02.500 And anyway.

01:08:03.780 Thank you for all that you guys do.

01:08:05.500 You're, you're wonderful.

01:08:06.980 Thank you for everything you do.

01:08:08.320 Thanks for all the laughs that, you know, that you've provided and all the joy.

01:08:13.040 Thank you sincerely.

01:08:14.780 Well, thanks for having us.

01:08:15.880 This is so much fun to talk to you.

01:08:18.100 Yeah.

01:08:18.360 It's really a lot of fun.

01:08:19.280 I feel like I could do it for hours.

01:08:20.960 Yeah.

01:08:21.500 If you watch the film, Glenn, would you just do us the honor of at least shooting us a text or an email?

01:08:26.580 Letting us know what you do.

01:08:27.720 Yeah.

01:08:28.140 I will.

01:08:29.120 I will.

01:08:29.780 God bless you guys.

01:08:30.660 Thank you.

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01:08:31.880 Thanks.

01:08:32.420 God bless.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 19, 2025

Ep 254 ｜ How God Helped ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ Star Raise Her Kids ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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