Ep 258 ｜ Rep. Ro Khanna & Glenn Beck Debate Deportations, Tax Cuts & Trump ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast       Â
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Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) joins Glenn Beck on the Glenn Beck Podcast to discuss his views on immigration, healthcare, abortion, and much more. Glenn Beck is joined by Democratic Rep. J.D. Vance (D, CA) and Republican Rep. Marco Rubio (R, FL) to discuss the need for common ground in American politics.
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My next guest is a Democratic representative from California.
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Was a co-sponsor of the Transgender Bill of Rights.
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He has publicly supported some of President Trump's ideas.
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Believes that America is, at her core, a good country and filled with good people.
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I don't want to find necessarily common ground.
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I would rather spend our time looking at the big picture and what's coming.
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Especially because the area that he represents is Silicon Valley.
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That will be the place where a lot of this change is going to happen first.
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So, we welcome to the podcast, Congressman Ro Khanna.
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Now, I love talking to people that disagree with me, especially if we can find places where we agree.
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And there's plenty of places that we can agree.
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We've called your office several times to have you on the show.
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And one of them, the last one, I think, was on the stock trading bill.
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And then we were surprised last week when your office called us and said you wanted to be on.
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But it wouldn't have anything to do with you possibly running for president, would it?
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And look, at the end of the day, we're all Team America.
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But this country has gone down a place of greater and greater division.
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And I do hope that the next generation, whether that's J.D. Vance, Rubio, myself, others, that we find some way of turning that around, of finding some common ground on a few key things.
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Building manufacturing in this country, making sure that we're turning around hollowed towns, Lorraine, Johnstown, Youngstown, places that haven't had a fair shot, making sure we're dealing more with the stagnant economy and wages, making sure we stay ahead of China.
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I mean, we're all in this to make sure America leads the 21st century.
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So I would say at this point, usually, well, yeah, but do you believe in the Bill of Rights?
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We could get together with J.D. Vance and you and everybody else that believe in the Bill of Rights.
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But when you set off to say as a politician we're very divided, but we can find our way towards X, Y, and Z, I don't think we find our way back to each other if we don't return to our basic principles, which have nothing to do with politics.
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All men are created equal, endowed by their created with rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, governments instituted among men, and governments are to protect those rights.
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And just to reiterate, here are the Bill of Rights.
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Right now, there's a lot of people, and I think on both sides, that don't agree with any of that.
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Look, I agree with you that our common defining moment as a nation is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as interpreted through the Declaration of Independence.
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The biggest blessing I had as a son of immigrants born in Philadelphia in our bicentenary is I got to go to a school that taught American history and gave me a reverence for this country.
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They said, go learn about this country's history.
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Go learn every word in the English language that you can, because being strong in English means being strong in America.
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I understand what it's like for people in other parts of the world, how people would give anything to come to the United States of America.
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But that is also how we have rule of law over rule of men, et cetera, et cetera.
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I mean, I will, you know, I said to the president, I've talked to the president several times and disagreed with him strongly on a few things.
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And, you know, one of the things that I've said on the air is anybody on the right that is talking about making sure he could have a third term, I'm not with you.
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That you change the Constitution, and that's fine, but you're not going to be able to, but change the Constitution.
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Will you say the same thing about the Democrats?
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I would say Obama shouldn't have a third term, but I...
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Well, I don't mean necessarily just about that.
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I joked around at Bucks County yesterday or two days ago that Donald Trump's not running for a third term.
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But, yes, I think there's certain things we should agree on in the Constitution, but let me push it, and you can certainly push me.
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The First Amendment, the 14th Amendment, say the due process should be for every person in America.
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That's how the drafters of the 14th Amendment drafted it.
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And J.D. Vance has said, no, we should have a separate, different standard, lesser standard of due process if you're not a citizen.
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My view, and I think the Supreme Court will have this view, is that that's not what the Constitution says.
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I mean, what would you say on something like that?
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So I would love to have a discussion about that, I mean, a real discussion, because I don't think that – I think the Constitution is clear, exactly what you said, the Supreme Court.
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I don't like that, because I think we're in a different situation, but you don't change the Constitution for different situations.
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Which would bring me to, if you want to have due process there, would you agree with me that there should be due process on red flag laws?
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That there should be due process on civil asset forfeiture, that we need to have due process on everything.
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The government just can't take things from you without due process.
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I would never say that someone should have their guns taken away without having a due process in a court of law.
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And so you can't just say, you know, Ro Khanna thinks that you've committed domestic violence, and now let's take away your guns.
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You've got to go through a court proceeding, you've got to have due process, absolutely.
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And civil asset forfeiture is the same on that?
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In fact, on civil asset forfeiture, there are actually progressive Democrats like me and libertarians in the Freedom Caucus often align, saying that the government shouldn't come in and be able to take things from citizens without due process.
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I believe that's the essence of who we are as a people, that we have inalienable rights endowed by God, and that's who makes us citizens.
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How do you solve, because laws without common sense becomes a cage, but common sense without laws is chaos.
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Because we are, I don't know, I'd love to hear you talk about this.
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We are at a place with our republic that if we don't make big moves to restore the principles that brought us to the table and restore financial sanity, et cetera, et cetera, we're going to fall apart.
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I mean, we're in the seven cycles of the end of empires.
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So how would you put this back together when you know that we have four years of a wait for anybody that needs to be deported, and you had a president and, quite honestly, a party that allowed millions of people to come in here, disrupt American lives, American cities?
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How do we solve this problem and not just completely overwhelm the system, as Cloward and Piven would tell you they would be happy about?
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I made it to my tournament and lost in the first round.
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Well, look, I'm not going to defend the border situation.
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We should not have had 8 million, whatever the number is, coming across without a process.
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I think American people are pretty fair about it.
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The American people just want to know who's there, who's at the border, just like you would on coming to someone's house.
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And make sure that people are vetted before they come in.
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That seems to be very reasonable, a place we can agree.
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But I also believe that people here, now that they're here, if they're paying taxes, and you and I may disagree with this,
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if they're paying taxes, if they're working hard, and if they've been here, that there should be some path to at least legalization.
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Look, the reality is, Glenn, tell me if you think I'm wrong.
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There may be 12 million undocumented folks here.
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How many people at the end of Donald Trump's term who are undocumented do you expect will still be in the United States?
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Yeah, I believe there will be 10 plus at least, 11 million.
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And he's the person who's been the most, oh, let's have mass deportation.
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Why don't we have some solution of folks that are here?
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I think that's what, I mean, I think that's what he's, I think that's what he's trying to do.
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You know, you may not appreciate the way he's doing it, and we can disagree with that.
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But he is trying to restore order to a complete, I mean, it's interesting to me that the Supreme Court did not have any problem
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with any of the abuses that were going on, with the state's rights, and honestly, the drug trafficking,
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the children that have been trafficked, the women who have been raped on the border, because it was chaos.
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And now, when you try to correct it, now everybody wants to get legalistic.
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And I appreciate that, because I stand on the Constitution.
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But I think, look, I think one of the reasons, the two reasons I think Donald Trump was reelected,
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I mean, he would know more, he's the one who won, so you can ask him.
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My view is, it was on inflation, and it was on the border.
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And I think he had a lot of people who wanted him to tighten up the border, make sure folks
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Now, I also think most people, including me, would say, if you're convicted of a violent
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They just want to make sure that the person who's deported is actually convicted.
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And Karl Rove was on TV saying, if you just brought Abrego back, gave him a trial, showed
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whether he was guilty, and then deported him, he'd have a lot more credibility.
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And so I guess my view on Trump is, OK, if you want to fix the border, why not have some
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process of people who are here in an undocumented way that respects their rights?
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Because you'd have a lot more credibility and a lot less division from the American people.
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So do you know who the president was that deported more people than any other president?
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Then it because I believe number two is Barack Obama.
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Well, I think the problem is, is not on the numbers, it's the process, right?
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I mean, it's, it's, it's Vance coming out there explicitly saying, and Vance is a really,
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I mean, I'm not, but he's explicitly saying in his Twitter post, we don't need to have due
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process at the same standard because the previous president let in all these people who were
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undocumented and you can't say, okay, now that they've, they're, they've been let in
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But, you know, as you pointed out, the constitution doesn't make exceptions of this is what makes
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It is that you could have someone who's an unsympathetic character, but in America, you
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And I, I really think that this is what's eroding some of the, the, the, the trust because
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my party had no trust, very little trust on immigration, but people ultimately in this
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They, they want to process and that's, that's, I think where a lot of the concern is.
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You said, and I, I, I really want to understand this.
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You said what's saddest to me about the rise of president Trump is it reflects the deep disdain
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that many Americans have for politicians and politics.
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They think we roll out poll tested policies for votes.
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They think we spend too much time raising money and catering to wealthy donors.
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And they think we prioritize procedure over action.
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I mean, I think, I think we have to, I wrote this down.
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I think we have to cut this at 40 minutes because you are going for a vote on the procedures,
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All those things are true, but Americans have grown weary of both any politics.
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Saying one thing and doing the other, treating them with disdain in many cases, you know,
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you just, you open, I'm not saying you, but a lot of politicians just openly lie.
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They'll say one thing and they'll turn the, you know, turn around and do the exact opposite.
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And, and that is also part of what we're supposed to do in America.
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You know, George Washington said, uh, you know, government is like fire.
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If you lose control of it, it'll burn everything to the ground.
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So we should be in a healthy way, suspicious or on guard and holding all of our, our politicians
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I get concerned if their town halls and people weren't asking hard questions, weren't criticizing
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So I, but I, I think there's a difference between skepticism and what's happened now, which
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is just a loss of trust, the sense that people aren't in it for the country, aren't in it
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And part of what's happened is, look, if you were living in one of these factory towns,
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Western Pennsylvania built America was part of what won us our freedom.
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They produce more steel than Japan and Germany combined.
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Before my parents even came to this country, there were people scaling the cliffs of Normandy,
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And then they have watched for 50 years being hollowed out steel going from 50% of America's
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And no one came in those communities and said, here's what we're going to do to have
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economic development, to have an economic future for the, for these communities.
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My district's net worth is $14 trillion, NVIDIA, Apple, Google, and people are looking at it
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saying, look, we're the ones who fought the wars.
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And I really think that was the, the anger in part that Trump identified and, and, and,
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and, but I disagree with his solutions that David Brooks says he asks all the right questions,
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But I do think if the democratic party wants to get back, I'm not, I'm not saying everyone,
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but we just, we come from, I would say, let's have a Marshall plan for America.
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Let's argue with Donald Trump on who's going to be better at building new factories in these
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places, getting new economic opportunity in these places, getting the young kids in these
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places to have technology jobs that are going to, as well as other jobs that to, to have a future.
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So would you, would you then agree with the president that, uh, because he said he's cutting
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all the red tape and he is going to let these companies build power plants, uh, nuclear power
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plants, cleanest power of all time, as long as they're regulated and they're built right,
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especially now with a new power plants, they're the safest form of energy ever devised by man.
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Um, and he is, he's focused on AI, which if we don't win in the AI race, which requires all
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of this power, you're not going to be rebuilding anything.
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I'm one of the Democrats who supported good for you power, uh, but his plan, his plan is to,
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I mean, it may be different than yours, but his plan is let's reshore jobs.
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Uh, let's create power and let's win the AI race because that will determine what all jobs
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I don't disagree with the goals and I think it has to be broader than winning the AI race.
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I'd like to see modern steel manufacturing here, monolumina, modern chip.
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Where I disagree with him is two, two things on AI and I've been going back and forth with
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David Sachs today on Twitter in a respectful way, maybe for a long time.
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But you know, I, his point is, okay, we did this deal with UAE and Abu Dhabi because otherwise
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the Chinese would get in there, but you know, you know, in Western Pennsylvania, Homer city,
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which has a natural gas plant, by the way, that was going to get shut down.
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They want to build, be the, the, the, the AI center.
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And I would like the American president to first focus on building the largest AI centers
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in places like Pennsylvania, Ohio, uh, other parts of the, of the country.
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I think he's doing, well, I think he is doing the United States first.
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You, you know, and I know that the man can walk and chew gum.
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He's, he seems to be able to juggle a thousand things and he is, he is doing that.
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We have to bring steel, but this is an argument that I've had with a lot of conservatives.
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They say, we got to keep the budget increasing for defense.
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When in, in three years, um, AI may say, because I think aircraft carriers are the horses of
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world war one, it's everything is going to change.
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Why not focus for the next three years, finish the jobs you've already got in line, but let's
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focus on AI and creating, like you said, the steel plants, et cetera, et cetera, to be able
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to build a new, in a different way, because everything is about to change.
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And you know, that being from Silicon Valley, you know that.
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I love that because I think that this new AI and technology is going to allow us to
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re-industrialize this country, bring these new jobs in the communities that were hollowed
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out to help us lead against China, but also bring us together as a country.
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I know that conservatives are a lot of criticisms of California, but imagine some of the robotics
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and AI from the coast working with the industrial might, the know-how, the hard work of places
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And I also agree with you on the defense budget.
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I mean, not to be partisan, but they're adding $150 billion to defense.
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You know, we ought to make it more emerging technology, more focus on drones.
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I think what we're doing with the defense, look, I believe the biggest problem that we
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have, the one that is breathing down, well, it's a lot of things.
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I mean, our disconnect from one another is going to kill us, but another thing that's
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And I'm sorry, but everybody's got to take a haircut on this.
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And increasing the budget of the defense department is exactly the wrong direction.
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I want to see them cut into defense department, but I want to see them cut is, I want to see
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We're sitting on $36 trillion of debt, but everyone's to blame, right?
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When he first went into government, I said, Elon, you would SpaceX, you disrupted the NASA
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and Defense Department, help focus on defense and how we get more for the money we're spending.
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My view, and we may probably, we disagree with USAID and the purpose of it and value of
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it, but we certainly agree on the facts that it's less than 1% of the budget.
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And there may be other reasons to cut, but it's certainly not going to do anything on the
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It wasn't close to the $1 trillion or $2 trillion.
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And the Republican budget, I mean, Chip Roy, this is why he's still not sold.
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Biden's budget would have added $24 trillion to that if it had continued.
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And the Republican current budget would add $28 trillion to that.
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Because if you, because there are people like Chip Roy who are out there who actually believe
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this and know that, look, this is a ticking time bomb.
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And if there's a large disruption, it may, it may collapse it at that time.
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We must take care of this debt, but nobody seems to want to.
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But once they get to Washington, they all, you know, turn the other way.
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Well, look, I have a progressive approach to balancing the deficit.
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You may not agree with that, but I think it starts with taxing billionaires more in my
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I think it means eliminating the Social Security cap right now, over $250,000.
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I would get rid of the step up in basis that you have.
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You know, if you make put $1,000 in Facebook side goes to $100,000 and you pass it to your
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kids, you don't have to pay capital gains tax on that.
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I would cut defense budget, but I can send you a budget that has appropriate increase
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in tax, some of the cuts in defense, and some actually making government more effective
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and efficient without hurting services that would get you on a path towards a more balanced
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I mean, it's only a matter of time before everybody understands.
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We have to cut something from everywhere, including services.
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But we should do it as compassionately as we possibly can.
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You know, the last budget we passed was in 2008.
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One of the things that I'm pushing for is Congress to take their power back.
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No American, either left or right, should be afraid of the next president of the United
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And you've got half the country freaking out if it's this person, and the other half freaking
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That shows there's too much power in the administration.
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I mean, the reality is the Federalist Papers, which you've read, assumed that people would
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Who would give up their power to the president?
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When a Democratic president comes in, Democrats are too deferential.
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And in this case, I think it's happened to an extreme where the Republicans are going
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To the credit of some, Don Bacon, Chip Roy, others, they're saying, no, we need Mike Lee.
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You know, Mike Lee, I don't know as well, but I guess.
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But, you know, on matters of war and peace, on matters of budgets, a matter of tariffs.
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By the way, for the Democrats on my side, who are really upset with Musk's cuts that
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I agree are too much power and one that hasn't been authorized.
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You know why we haven't been able to clearly sue him?
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And so it's not clear what Congress has authorized.
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So we are the ones who created this ambiguity that he and Doge has exploited.
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If we had actual budgets with line items, it'd be much easier for the court.
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Yes, I think, you know, you and I probably disagree on this.
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But it is a deeper problem that Congress has been giving power to the president, more and
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And that's not what this country was supposed to be at its founding.
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First, so many people are living with everyday pain.
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Let me tell you about Jenny from Texas and her relief factor story.
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Any president, both presidents, the last two, the last one and this one, have abused their
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They've gone beyond the scope of what is normal in America, okay?
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And it happened with the president before that and the president before that.
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If Congress allows the administrative state to just make rules any way they want, oh, it's
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up to the secretary to make that, then this is the system you get.
00:31:50.840
You have no check on the administrative power because you've destroyed the checks and balances
00:31:59.660
You know, the check on administrative power was Congress, but you've given all that power
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But, you know, I mean, right now in the Oversight Committee, I mean, they're not doing anything.
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I said he should come and subpoena and testify to Congress.
00:32:23.420
How can you have all these cuts that you're doing and not tell Congress and the American
00:32:31.440
How could you spend all this money as Congress?
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How could you just give them all this money without anybody knowing what they're doing?
00:32:37.960
Look at the things that they have found that you're like, wait a minute, we were doing
00:32:45.340
The country is out of control is the point, I think.
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I will give you that the Congress needs to assert its power more, that the Congress needs
00:32:56.700
I think the administrative state in many places has played a constructive role.
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I mean, that was the architecture of the progressive era, the FDR in terms of safe, clean water,
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But Congress, I think, has to have an assertive oversight role and not just a perfunctory
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role, which is what has allowed presidents way too much power on war and peace, way too
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much power to do what they want in terms of these agencies and it disconnects from the
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Yeah, I'm concerned just as much about the agencies doing what they want without the
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They get to make the laws and should be in Congress anyway.
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I mean, you worked hard and it was kind of your architecture on the Inflation Reduction
00:33:52.360
And B, Joe Biden came out and said, wish we would have named it that because it was a
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So I don't want to take too much credit for it.
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I'm proud of the Inflation Reduction Act, but I had much more of a role in the Chips and
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I did play some role in the Inflation Reduction Act with being part of the conversations to
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But I don't want to exaggerate my role just out of honesty.
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One, it has a lot of tax credits for wind, for solar, for geothermal.
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I don't understand why this, why are we debating this, right?
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In fact, that's what Donald Trump is saying as well, trying to rebalance, make sure that
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we're not destroying everything we have and become Spain with the blackouts.
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We have tax credits, tax subsidies that we're giving the oil and gas industry that we have
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But why not with this new industry, which is three to four, five cents a kilowatt hour,
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cheaper right now than nuclear, though I'm for nuclear.
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Why wouldn't we want to lead in this over China?
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And by the way, the places that are leading are Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama.
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These are a lot of southern states that have a lot of the biggest investments in battery
00:35:26.580
So to me, you know, I don't want China leading in this new.
00:35:37.120
There are those who want to reduce the human population or reduce our energy to the point
00:35:44.660
You know, and and I'm all for new kinds of energy.
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I'm at my ranch now, which is completely off the grid.
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We I mean, the windmill fell down and we didn't notice that it even fell down.
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But it's it is green as much as we possibly can be green.
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We do have generators from time to time that have to kick on.
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And I have spent I have spent over a million dollars over the last 10 years trying to make
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green energy reliable for the use that I would use for.
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And I mean, sorry, for the for the industry of the United States.
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No one is saying that we can be 100 percent renewable and we need better battery technology.
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We need that type of battery technology, not just for the grids, but that could be in
00:36:45.260
your house so that you can capture it and use it or in your ranch.
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And I but that's what, in my view, the IRA was doing.
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It was trying to facilitate these new technologies.
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Now, if you say, can we just do all in solar, wind, geothermal?
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But my view is let's build as much of that as we as we can.
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But that's not where many people on the left in your own party are.
00:37:14.760
They are for destroying oil and natural gas, which we were told was we had to go on destroying
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We have to have all of it with AI coming online in the next five years.
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It requires ninety nine percent of all of the energy that we're currently producing.
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China's building every kind of power plant you can imagine under the sun every week.
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I didn't know you had so many solar and wind at your ranch.
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Why don't we say, look, we're going to need some of the natural gas in western Pennsylvania
00:37:57.240
and Homer City to build the AI data center there.
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But we also shouldn't get rid, in my view, of the IRA tax credits because we're going to
00:38:08.120
And America should be this energy leader in the world.
00:38:12.980
So help me out on something, because this is this is a view that I hold that I despise,
00:38:22.120
And that is UBI with AI coming and the displacement of jobs that are that is coming.
00:38:37.220
But there is going to be a massive turnover of jobs, and that will lead to all kinds of
00:38:43.860
And we've got to talk about something like UBI, but not from the government.
00:38:50.040
I think it should come from these companies that have used all of my information, all of
00:38:56.920
your information, all of everybody's information to gain this power that they will now have over
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I'm for the idea of a tax on people's data and a dividend, but it's probably not going
00:39:14.240
to when you look and do the math, it's probably not more than five hundred or a thousand dollars
00:39:19.720
But where are we getting where are we going to get the do you agree that some sort of
00:39:24.940
universal basic income or something like that is going to have to come into play?
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I think it's important as people are transitioning or if they're out of work, but I don't think
00:39:38.420
They don't want all the production, all the wealth generation to be in Silicon Valley
00:39:43.820
So how do we because I agree with that, but how do we stop?
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There's we're setting up a system where there could be four people that have 90 percent
00:39:59.400
Well, I think we've got to, first of all, democratize A.I.
00:40:07.660
If we're going to have new factories, right, that are A.I., robotics, instead of forty five
00:40:13.220
hundred people, maybe they have five hundred people because they're still going to need
00:40:19.680
Why aren't those five hundred people who are working there?
00:40:23.280
I mean, why is it that just the CEO should get the stock and the capital owners should
00:40:30.800
So I think workers need to have some equity and ownership in a model where A.I.
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I think we need to have massive new industry, new factories coming up with these increased
00:40:42.640
So you go to a place like Johnstown and you're honest, OK, the new steel plant there is not
00:40:51.220
They're they're still going to need restaurants.
00:40:53.180
When you go to a restaurant, I really don't want a robot serving me, just like I hate the fact
00:40:57.800
when I'm right, CVS and I got to struggle with that checkout counter.
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And, you know, and the A.I. is not going to replace you, Glenn.
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They don't have your sense of humor or I mean, I don't I don't think we can have a Glenn Beck
00:41:11.520
Well, I think there's a lot of people that follow you that would be very would is right
00:41:24.340
But the cliche is that A.I. is not going to take your job.
00:41:30.980
And that's why I do think one of the things really important is to have tech academies.
00:41:35.020
Look, there's something more important than learning tech.
00:41:37.080
And that is learning about the Constitution, American history and how to how to be good
00:41:43.820
But the second most important thing for kids today is have some understanding of technology
00:41:48.620
so that when they become an electrician, a plumber, a nurse, a doctor, that they know
00:41:56.860
They're going to you still need for A.I., someone to prompt the A.I., someone to ask the
00:42:03.260
And I think those are the types of jobs we want young people to have in the modern factory.
00:42:07.740
So what I think this country is desperate for is to say, look, we understand where the future
00:42:12.960
And don't just tell us we're not going to have work or opportunity.
00:42:25.880
We must talk about what's coming our way with A.I.
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Because once it arrives, it's too late to talk about.
00:42:36.320
And and, you know, if we treat this like we we treated your iPhone or social media, we're
00:42:44.480
We can't take this casually and just go, well, I'll just see what happens.
00:42:49.740
But on the other hand, with you, with you in government, how would you legislate against
00:43:01.180
I mean, it's going to be moving so fast by the time you'd get it through Congress.
00:43:08.980
One is the kind of killer robots A.I. is a threat.
00:43:14.320
But I think the bigger threat of A.I. is it's going to be like globalization.
00:43:17.560
It's going to lead to the concentration of wealth generation in certain communities in
00:43:25.820
It's going to hollow out the working and middle class.
00:43:27.900
The way to deal with that is to first figure out that workers have a say in how this technology
00:43:34.100
That we're actually deploying the technology to create economic prosperity across the country
00:43:39.000
with a concerted effort with government and the private sector, a Marshall Plan for America,
00:43:43.380
where we're saying, here's our economic vision for every community in this country.
00:43:47.720
On the regulation, I don't think politicians are going to be able to do it.
00:43:51.360
I mean, if you see the questioning in Congress, I said Congress is the only body that can make
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And then you have these Congress people, both parties being like, Mark, you know, who makes
00:44:10.980
regulatory body like we have a nuclear body with scientists, technologists, experts to
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And so I know I want to I want to thank you for having the conversation.
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You know, we need more conversations like this in this country.
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You know, we're honest differences, but a common commitment to the Constitution.
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Anybody who says don't talk to the other side is dangerous.
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Congress, if I can't if I can't ask you how you got there, I can't make any growth.
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And I'm also then just declaring that I'm smarter than you and I'm not.
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But look, I appreciate that you did this with civility, thoughtfulness, stuck to your principles.
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I just think the country would be a better place if we could have more conversations like this.
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