The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 258 ｜ Rep. Ro Khanna & Glenn Beck Debate Deportations, Tax Cuts & Trump ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:20.840 My next guest is a Democratic representative from California.

00:01:26.300 Supports Medicare for all.

00:01:28.620 Abortion.

00:01:29.480 Increasing the federal minimum wage.

00:01:31.520 Was a co-sponsor of the Transgender Bill of Rights.

00:01:36.500 What are we going to talk about?

00:01:38.640 Well, he also supports American manufacturing.

00:01:41.100 He says it's time to end the cancel culture. 1.00

00:01:43.100 He has publicly supported some of President Trump's ideas.

00:01:46.580 Believes that America is, at her core, a good country and filled with good people.

00:01:51.920 I don't want to find necessarily common ground.

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00:02:13.760 So, we welcome to the podcast, Congressman Ro Khanna.

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00:03:02.120 Congressman, welcome.

00:03:03.980 Glad to have you.

00:03:05.260 Thank you.

00:03:05.800 Now, I love talking to people that disagree with me, especially if we can find places where we agree.

00:03:15.780 And there's plenty of places that we can agree.

00:03:19.560 But I have to start with this.

00:03:23.480 We wanted to have you on the show.

00:03:25.040 We've called your office several times to have you on the show.

00:03:27.000 And one of them, the last one, I think, was on the stock trading bill.

00:03:31.320 And it didn't happen.

00:03:33.680 And then we were surprised last week when your office called us and said you wanted to be on.

00:03:38.620 And we love it.

00:03:39.740 But it wouldn't have anything to do with you possibly running for president, would it?

00:03:45.260 Not at all.

00:03:46.360 No, not at all.

00:03:49.260 You've got a lot of followers.

00:03:52.000 And look, at the end of the day, we're all Team America.

00:03:54.280 We have differences of opinion.

00:03:56.040 But this country has gone down a place of greater and greater division.

00:04:02.020 And I do hope that the next generation, whether that's J.D. Vance, Rubio, myself, others, that we find some way of turning that around, of finding some common ground on a few key things.

00:04:14.280 Building manufacturing in this country, making sure that we're turning around hollowed towns, Lorraine, Johnstown, Youngstown, places that haven't had a fair shot, making sure we're dealing more with the stagnant economy and wages, making sure we stay ahead of China. 0.98

00:04:28.620 I mean, we're all in this to make sure America leads the 21st century.

00:04:33.560 So I would say at this point, usually, well, yeah, but do you believe in the Bill of Rights?

00:04:41.320 I know you do.

00:04:42.340 So let me ask you this way.

00:04:45.860 We could get together with J.D. Vance and you and everybody else that believe in the Bill of Rights.

00:04:51.040 But when you set off to say as a politician we're very divided, but we can find our way towards X, Y, and Z, I don't think we find our way back to each other if we don't return to our basic principles, which have nothing to do with politics.

00:05:05.760 All men are created equal, endowed by their created with rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, governments instituted among men, and governments are to protect those rights.

00:05:15.460 And just to reiterate, here are the Bill of Rights.

00:05:18.720 Right now, there's a lot of people, and I think on both sides, that don't agree with any of that.

00:05:27.520 Look, I agree with you that our common defining moment as a nation is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as interpreted through the Declaration of Independence.

00:05:40.500 The biggest blessing I had as a son of immigrants born in Philadelphia in our bicentenary is I got to go to a school that taught American history and gave me a reverence for this country.

00:05:53.680 My parents said, Roe, you won the lottery.

00:05:56.020 They didn't talk a lot about my rights.

00:05:57.500 They talked about my responsibilities.

00:05:58.920 They said, go learn about this country's history.

00:06:02.900 Go learn every word in the English language that you can, because being strong in English means being strong in America.

00:06:08.920 And I have the deepest love for this country.

00:06:11.880 I understand what it's like for people in other parts of the world, how people would give anything to come to the United States of America.

00:06:19.140 That's got to be our common ground.

00:06:20.920 That's what makes us an exceptional nation.

00:06:22.620 But that is also how we have rule of law over rule of men, et cetera, et cetera.

00:06:29.720 I mean, I will, you know, I said to the president, I've talked to the president several times and disagreed with him strongly on a few things.

00:06:38.160 And, you know, one of the things that I've said on the air is anybody on the right that is talking about making sure he could have a third term, I'm not with you.

00:06:48.260 That you change the Constitution, and that's fine, but you're not going to be able to, but change the Constitution.

00:06:54.480 We cannot make exceptions.

00:06:57.300 Will you say the same thing about the Democrats?

00:07:01.440 Oh, yeah.

00:07:02.100 I would say Obama shouldn't have a third term, but I...

00:07:04.440 Well, I don't mean necessarily just about that.

00:07:06.240 I mean, we don't...

00:07:07.600 Look, look, I agree with you.

00:07:08.860 I joked around at Bucks County yesterday or two days ago that Donald Trump's not running for a third term.

00:07:15.020 I don't know if he realizes it or not.

00:07:16.600 There are a lot of people like you.

00:07:18.700 He does.

00:07:20.900 But, yes, I think there's certain things we should agree on in the Constitution, but let me push it, and you can certainly push me.

00:07:27.320 What about the view of due process?

00:07:29.200 The First Amendment, the 14th Amendment, say the due process should be for every person in America.

00:07:36.920 It doesn't say citizen.

00:07:38.260 That's how the framers drafted it.

00:07:41.040 That's how the drafters of the 14th Amendment drafted it.

00:07:43.420 And J.D. Vance has said, no, we should have a separate, different standard, lesser standard of due process if you're not a citizen.

00:07:50.260 My view, and I think the Supreme Court will have this view, is that that's not what the Constitution says.

00:07:54.760 I mean, what would you say on something like that?

00:07:56.280 So I would love to have a discussion about that, I mean, a real discussion, because I don't think that – I think the Constitution is clear, exactly what you said, the Supreme Court.

00:08:09.340 I don't like that, because I think we're in a different situation, but you don't change the Constitution for different situations.

00:08:17.980 Which would bring me to, if you want to have due process there, would you agree with me that there should be due process on red flag laws?

00:08:27.320 That there should be due process on civil asset forfeiture, that we need to have due process on everything.

00:08:35.540 The government just can't take things from you without due process.

00:08:40.400 Absolutely.

00:08:41.120 I would never say that someone should have their guns taken away without having a due process in a court of law.

00:08:47.960 And so you can't just say, you know, Ro Khanna thinks that you've committed domestic violence, and now let's take away your guns.

00:08:53.800 You've got to go through a court proceeding, you've got to have due process, absolutely.

00:08:57.840 And civil asset forfeiture is the same on that?

00:09:00.540 Same thing with civil asset forfeiture.

00:09:02.580 In fact, on civil asset forfeiture, there are actually progressive Democrats like me and libertarians in the Freedom Caucus often align, saying that the government shouldn't come in and be able to take things from citizens without due process.

00:09:18.000 Correct.

00:09:18.240 I believe that's the essence of who we are as a people, that we have inalienable rights endowed by God, and that's who makes us citizens.

00:09:30.780 How do you solve, because laws without common sense becomes a cage, but common sense without laws is chaos.

00:09:50.820 So how do you balance this?

00:09:53.840 Because we are, I don't know, I'd love to hear you talk about this.

00:09:57.160 We are at a place with our republic that if we don't make big moves to restore the principles that brought us to the table and restore financial sanity, et cetera, et cetera, we're going to fall apart.

00:10:13.760 I mean, we're in the seven cycles of the end of empires.

00:10:19.000 We're in the seventh stage.

00:10:21.320 So how would you put this back together when you know that we have four years of a wait for anybody that needs to be deported, and you had a president and, quite honestly, a party that allowed millions of people to come in here, disrupt American lives, American cities? 0.88

00:10:45.080 How do we balance this?

00:10:47.520 How do we solve this problem and not just completely overwhelm the system, as Cloward and Piven would tell you they would be happy about?

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00:12:32.340 Well, look, I'm not going to defend the border situation.

00:12:38.700 We should not have had 8 million, whatever the number is, coming across without a process.

00:12:46.600 I think American people are pretty fair about it.

00:12:49.020 Someone said it's like a knock-knock joke.

00:12:51.580 You say knock-knock, who's there?

00:12:53.380 The American people just want to know who's there, who's at the border, just like you would on coming to someone's house.

00:12:59.860 And make sure that people are vetted before they come in.

00:13:03.060 That seems to be very reasonable, a place we can agree.

00:13:06.360 But I also believe that people here, now that they're here, if they're paying taxes, and you and I may disagree with this,

00:13:14.800 if they're paying taxes, if they're working hard, and if they've been here, that there should be some path to at least legalization.

00:13:21.760 I say citizenship, but why not legalization?

00:13:24.020 Look, the reality is, Glenn, tell me if you think I'm wrong.

00:13:27.000 There may be 12 million undocumented folks here.

00:13:29.740 How many people at the end of Donald Trump's term who are undocumented do you expect will still be in the United States?

00:13:35.320 My guess is there will be 11.5 million.

00:13:38.100 Yeah, I believe there will be 10 plus at least, 11 million.

00:13:43.120 What are we going to do?

00:13:43.880 And he's the person who's been the most, oh, let's have mass deportation.

00:13:47.880 Why don't we have some solution of folks that are here?

00:13:52.120 I think that's what, I mean, I think that's what he's, I think that's what he's trying to do.

00:13:59.660 You know, you may not appreciate the way he's doing it, and we can disagree with that.

00:14:04.800 But he is trying to restore order to a complete, I mean, it's interesting to me that the Supreme Court did not have any problem

00:14:13.300 with any of the abuses that were going on, with the state's rights, and honestly, the drug trafficking,

00:14:20.340 the children that have been trafficked, the women who have been raped on the border, because it was chaos.

00:14:27.280 It was absolutely open.

00:14:28.560 And nobody seemed to have a problem with it.

00:14:31.980 And now, when you try to correct it, now everybody wants to get legalistic.

00:14:36.380 And I appreciate that, because I stand on the Constitution.

00:14:40.380 But it's convenient.

00:14:42.840 How do we fix it and not swamp our nation?

00:14:47.380 And I mean, with legal swamp.

00:14:49.380 But I think, look, I think one of the reasons, the two reasons I think Donald Trump was reelected,

00:14:54.600 I mean, he would know more, he's the one who won, so you can ask him.

00:14:57.220 My view is, it was on inflation, and it was on the border.

00:15:00.900 And I think he had a lot of people who wanted him to tighten up the border, make sure folks

00:15:07.960 aren't coming across without the papers.

00:15:13.260 But he did more than that.

00:15:14.680 He started this process of deporting folks.

00:15:17.820 Now, I also think most people, including me, would say, if you're convicted of a violent

00:15:22.300 crime, you should be deported.

00:15:23.900 They just want to make sure that the person who's deported is actually convicted.

00:15:27.680 And Karl Rove was on TV saying, if you just brought Abrego back, gave him a trial, showed

00:15:32.720 whether he was guilty, and then deported him, he'd have a lot more credibility.

00:15:37.200 And so I guess my view on Trump is, OK, if you want to fix the border, why not have some

00:15:42.960 process of people who are here in an undocumented way that respects their rights?

00:15:47.380 Because you'd have a lot more credibility and a lot less division from the American people.

00:15:52.600 So do you know who the president was that deported more people than any other president?

00:15:58.480 Barack Obama?

00:15:59.300 I don't know.

00:15:59.620 I know he had high depotation.

00:16:01.480 Bill Clinton.

00:16:02.940 Bill Clinton was way beyond anybody else.

00:16:06.580 Then it because I believe number two is Barack Obama.

00:16:11.240 Donald Trump is, you know, in last place.

00:16:14.420 Why is there a problem now?

00:16:17.360 Well, I think the problem is, is not on the numbers, it's the process, right?

00:16:20.860 I mean, it's, it's, it's Vance coming out there explicitly saying, and Vance is a really,

00:16:24.880 really smart guy.

00:16:25.760 I mean, I'm not, but he's explicitly saying in his Twitter post, we don't need to have due

00:16:31.200 process at the same standard because the previous president let in all these people who were

00:16:34.900 undocumented and you can't say, okay, now that they've, they're, they've been let in

00:16:38.900 that, that you don't have due process.

00:16:40.700 But, you know, as you pointed out, the constitution doesn't make exceptions of this is what makes

00:16:44.900 us a great country.

00:16:45.820 It is that you could have someone who's an unsympathetic character, but in America, you

00:16:50.740 get justice and you get a process.

00:16:52.380 And I, I really think that this is what's eroding some of the, the, the, the trust because

00:16:58.560 my party had no trust, very little trust on immigration, but people ultimately in this 0.96

00:17:03.940 country are very fair.

00:17:04.940 They, they want to process and that's, that's, I think where a lot of the concern is.

00:17:09.480 You said, and I, I, I really want to understand this.

00:17:12.380 You said what's saddest to me about the rise of president Trump is it reflects the deep disdain

00:17:16.660 that many Americans have for politicians and politics.

00:17:19.440 They think we roll out poll tested policies for votes.

00:17:22.440 They think we spend too much time raising money and catering to wealthy donors.

00:17:25.620 And they think we prioritize procedure over action.

00:17:29.020 I mean, I think, I think we have to, I wrote this down.

00:17:31.880 I think we have to cut this at 40 minutes because you are going for a vote on the procedures,

00:17:37.640 procedural rules for the rest of the week.

00:17:40.740 So, I mean, it is true.

00:17:43.320 All those things are true, but Americans have grown weary of both any politics.

00:17:49.440 Saying one thing and doing the other, treating them with disdain in many cases, you know,

00:17:57.800 you just, you open, I'm not saying you, but a lot of politicians just openly lie.

00:18:02.140 They'll say one thing and they'll turn the, you know, turn around and do the exact opposite.

00:18:07.260 And, and that is also part of what we're supposed to do in America.

00:18:12.540 You know, George Washington said, uh, you know, government is like fire.

00:18:17.740 If you're in control of it, it's great.

00:18:20.160 If you lose control of it, it'll burn everything to the ground.

00:18:22.900 So we should be in a healthy way, suspicious or on guard and holding all of our, our politicians

00:18:31.540 accountable.

00:18:32.160 Agree?

00:18:33.300 Totally agree.

00:18:34.340 And that skepticism is healthy.

00:18:35.920 I get concerned if their town halls and people weren't asking hard questions, weren't criticizing

00:18:41.060 their, their, their politicians.

00:18:42.820 So I, but I, I think there's a difference between skepticism and what's happened now, which

00:18:47.960 is just a loss of trust, the sense that people aren't in it for the country, aren't in it

00:18:53.040 for the public good.

00:18:54.540 And part of what's happened is, look, if you were living in one of these factory towns,

00:18:59.420 a community like Western Pennsylvania, right?

00:19:01.580 Western Pennsylvania built America was part of what won us our freedom.

00:19:06.160 They produce more steel than Japan and Germany combined.

00:19:09.460 Before my parents even came to this country, there were people scaling the cliffs of Normandy,

00:19:14.140 producing the steel and won us our freedom.

00:19:16.700 And then they have watched for 50 years being hollowed out steel going from 50% of America's

00:19:23.440 production.

00:19:24.340 Now China makes 50%.

00:19:25.840 They're at 4%.

00:19:26.760 And no one came in those communities and said, here's what we're going to do to have

00:19:31.440 economic development, to have an economic future for the, for these communities.

00:19:35.760 And you know what?

00:19:36.620 My district's net worth is $14 trillion, NVIDIA, Apple, Google, and people are looking at it

00:19:43.040 saying, look, we're the ones who fought the wars.

00:19:45.120 We're the ones who built the steel.

00:19:46.380 We're the ones who built this country.

00:19:48.340 Why did you abandon us, the governing class?

00:19:51.200 And I really think that was the, the anger in part that Trump identified and, and, and,

00:19:58.240 and, but I disagree with his solutions that David Brooks says he asks all the right questions,

00:20:03.220 has the wrong answers.

00:20:04.000 But I do think if the democratic party wants to get back, I'm not, I'm not saying everyone,

00:20:08.720 but we just, we come from, I would say, let's have a Marshall plan for America.

00:20:12.940 Let's argue with Donald Trump on who's going to be better at building new factories in these

00:20:17.480 places, getting new economic opportunity in these places, getting the young kids in these

00:20:21.520 places to have technology jobs that are going to, as well as other jobs that to, to have a future.

00:20:27.660 So would you, would you then agree with the president that, uh, because he said he's cutting

00:20:34.040 all the red tape and he is going to let these companies build power plants, uh, nuclear power

00:20:40.080 plants, cleanest power of all time, as long as they're regulated and they're built right,

00:20:44.600 especially now with a new power plants, they're the safest form of energy ever devised by man.

00:20:51.020 Um, and he is, he's focused on AI, which if we don't win in the AI race, which requires all

00:21:00.440 of this power, you're not going to be rebuilding anything.

00:21:04.280 He is trying to onshore jobs, bring AI.

00:21:08.760 What part of that do you disagree with?

00:21:10.860 I'm for nuclear power.

00:21:13.060 I'm one of the Democrats who supported good for you power, uh, but his plan, his plan is to,

00:21:19.620 I mean, it may be different than yours, but his plan is let's reshore jobs.

00:21:24.660 Let's bring them back.

00:21:26.480 Uh, let's create power and let's win the AI race because that will determine what all jobs

00:21:33.640 really are going to be in the future.

00:21:35.780 We must command that.

00:21:37.620 Do you disagree with those goals?

00:21:39.380 I don't disagree with the goals and I think it has to be broader than winning the AI race.

00:21:43.420 I'd like to see modern steel manufacturing here, monolumina, modern chip.

00:21:47.020 Where I disagree with him is two, two things on AI and I've been going back and forth with

00:21:52.240 David Sachs today on Twitter in a respectful way, maybe for a long time.

00:21:56.880 But you know, I, his point is, okay, we did this deal with UAE and Abu Dhabi because otherwise

00:22:02.060 the Chinese would get in there, but you know, you know, in Western Pennsylvania, Homer city,

00:22:07.460 which has a natural gas plant, by the way, that was going to get shut down.

00:22:10.700 They want to build, be the, the, the, the AI center.

00:22:13.960 And it's a $10 billion plan.

00:22:15.460 And I would like the American president to first focus on building the largest AI centers

00:22:21.680 in places like Pennsylvania, Ohio, uh, other parts of the, of the country.

00:22:26.640 Do, how about we announce?

00:22:27.840 I think he's doing, well, I think he is doing the United States first.

00:22:31.360 And then we do the Abu Dhabi stuff.

00:22:32.920 Right.

00:22:33.020 I think he's doing both.

00:22:34.660 You, you know, and I know that the man can walk and chew gum.

00:22:37.560 He's, he seems to be able to juggle a thousand things and he is, he is doing that.

00:22:41.340 And I agree with you.

00:22:42.420 We have to bring steel, but this is an argument that I've had with a lot of conservatives.

00:22:46.420 They say, we got to keep the budget increasing for defense.

00:22:51.540 Why?

00:22:52.260 When in, in three years, um, AI may say, because I think aircraft carriers are the horses of

00:23:01.360 world war one, it's everything is going to change.

00:23:05.740 Why not focus for the next three years, finish the jobs you've already got in line, but let's

00:23:12.360 focus on AI and creating, like you said, the steel plants, et cetera, et cetera, to be able

00:23:18.980 to build a new, in a different way, because everything is about to change.

00:23:24.260 And you know, that being from Silicon Valley, you know that.

00:23:27.460 I love that because I think that this new AI and technology is going to allow us to

00:23:31.180 re-industrialize this country, bring these new jobs in the communities that were hollowed

00:23:35.560 out to help us lead against China, but also bring us together as a country.

00:23:40.200 Imagine the technology from the coast.

00:23:42.020 I know that conservatives are a lot of criticisms of California, but imagine some of the robotics

00:23:46.020 and AI from the coast working with the industrial might, the know-how, the hard work of places

00:23:51.680 in the South and in the Midwest.

00:23:53.820 And then I call it economic patriotism.

00:23:55.640 It's how we rebuild this country.

00:23:57.320 And I also agree with you on the defense budget.

00:23:59.580 I mean, not to be partisan, but they're adding $150 billion to defense.

00:24:04.320 It's over a trillion dollar budget.

00:24:06.940 And I'm with you.

00:24:07.660 You know, we ought to make it more emerging technology, more focus on drones.

00:24:13.060 I'm with you.

00:24:13.960 I think what we're doing with the defense, look, I believe the biggest problem that we

00:24:19.500 have, the one that is breathing down, well, it's a lot of things.

00:24:23.000 I mean, our disconnect from one another is going to kill us, but another thing that's

00:24:28.560 going to kill us is our debt.

00:24:30.260 And I'm sorry, but everybody's got to take a haircut on this.

00:24:34.180 We've got to find ways to cut down.

00:24:37.120 And increasing the budget of the defense department is exactly the wrong direction.

00:24:43.260 I want to see them cut into defense department, but I want to see them cut is, I want to see

00:24:48.280 them cut everywhere.

00:24:49.860 How big of a problem is our debt in your book?

00:24:53.460 That's a huge problem.

00:24:54.400 We're sitting on $36 trillion of debt, but everyone's to blame, right?

00:24:57.380 I mean, you know, I want to cut defense.

00:25:01.340 So I've known Elon 15 years.

00:25:03.200 When he first went into government, I said, Elon, you would SpaceX, you disrupted the NASA

00:25:09.220 and Defense Department, help focus on defense and how we get more for the money we're spending.

00:25:16.040 My view, and we may probably, we disagree with USAID and the purpose of it and value of

00:25:21.300 it, but we certainly agree on the facts that it's less than 1% of the budget.

00:25:25.640 And there may be other reasons to cut, but it's certainly not going to do anything on the

00:25:28.600 national debt.

00:25:29.420 You want to get to the debt.

00:25:31.700 Defense is 56%.

00:25:33.220 And that was untouched by Doge.

00:25:36.460 I agree.

00:25:37.180 The total cuts of Doge, you get $86 billion.

00:25:40.420 It wasn't close to the $1 trillion or $2 trillion.

00:25:43.400 And the Republican budget, I mean, Chip Roy, this is why he's still not sold.

00:25:50.180 You have a $36 trillion debt.

00:25:52.840 Biden's budget would have added $24 trillion to that if it had continued.

00:25:58.240 And the Republican current budget would add $28 trillion to that.

00:26:03.140 So how do we solve this?

00:26:04.580 Because if you, because there are people like Chip Roy who are out there who actually believe

00:26:10.320 this and know that, look, this is a ticking time bomb.

00:26:14.600 We don't have many years left.

00:26:17.580 And if there's a large disruption, it may, it may collapse it at that time.

00:26:24.140 We must take care of this debt, but nobody seems to want to.

00:26:28.720 They all campaign on it.

00:26:30.200 They all say it.

00:26:31.060 But once they get to Washington, they all, you know, turn the other way.

00:26:34.820 I shouldn't say all.

00:26:35.740 The majority turn the other way.

00:26:37.820 So what do we do?

00:26:38.740 How do we fix that?

00:26:39.920 Well, look, I have a progressive approach to balancing the deficit.

00:26:43.880 You may not agree with that, but I think it starts with taxing billionaires more in my

00:26:47.720 district.

00:26:48.220 I think it means eliminating the Social Security cap right now, over $250,000.

00:26:54.800 You don't pay Social Security tax.

00:26:56.620 I think we have to pay that.

00:26:58.160 I would get rid of the step up in basis that you have.

00:27:02.700 You know, if you make put $1,000 in Facebook side goes to $100,000 and you pass it to your

00:27:07.960 kids, you don't have to pay capital gains tax on that.

00:27:10.540 I would have a tax on stock buybacks.

00:27:12.580 I would cut defense budget, but I can send you a budget that has appropriate increase

00:27:19.560 in tax, some of the cuts in defense, and some actually making government more effective

00:27:25.220 and efficient without hurting services that would get you on a path towards a more balanced

00:27:30.580 budget.

00:27:31.440 So, well, we have to cut.

00:27:33.860 I mean, it's only a matter of time before everybody understands.

00:27:37.500 We have to cut something from everywhere, including services.

00:27:42.080 But we should do it as compassionately as we possibly can.

00:27:49.440 Let me go back to the budget.

00:27:53.420 You know, you said, let's pass a budget.

00:27:55.320 I would love Congress to pass a budget.

00:27:59.440 You know, the last budget we passed was in 2008.

00:28:03.140 It's so irresponsible.

00:28:04.420 One of the things that I'm pushing for is Congress to take their power back.

00:28:11.680 No American, either left or right, should be afraid of the next president of the United

00:28:17.640 States.

00:28:18.760 And you've got half the country freaking out if it's this person, and the other half freaking

00:28:23.740 out if it's this person.

00:28:24.720 That shows there's too much power in the administration. 0.99

00:28:29.360 Why won't Congress take their power back? 0.60

00:28:33.900 Glenn, you're absolutely right.

00:28:36.320 I mean, the reality is the Federalist Papers, which you've read, assumed that people would

00:28:41.660 have ambition in Congress.

00:28:43.160 They thought we'd have the pride.

00:28:45.320 Who would give up their power to the president?

00:28:47.960 And yet it happens on both sides.

00:28:50.560 When a Democratic president comes in, Democrats are too deferential.

00:28:55.880 And in this case, I think it's happened to an extreme where the Republicans are going

00:28:59.440 along with Trump.

00:29:00.440 To the credit of some, Don Bacon, Chip Roy, others, they're saying, no, we need Mike Lee.

00:29:06.960 You know, Mike Lee, I don't know as well, but I guess.

00:29:09.300 The Reigns Act.

00:29:10.560 He's pushing the Reigns Act.

00:29:12.420 Please take your power back.

00:29:14.240 But, you know, on matters of war and peace, on matters of budgets, a matter of tariffs.

00:29:18.660 By the way, for the Democrats on my side, who are really upset with Musk's cuts that

00:29:23.380 I agree are too much power and one that hasn't been authorized.

00:29:29.960 You know why we haven't been able to clearly sue him?

00:29:32.500 Because we're on these continuing resolutions.

00:29:34.860 And so it's not clear what Congress has authorized.

00:29:38.320 So we are the ones who created this ambiguity that he and Doge has exploited.

00:29:43.400 If we had actual budgets with line items, it'd be much easier for the court.

00:29:47.600 So this is a deeper problem.

00:29:50.340 Yes, I think, you know, you and I probably disagree on this.

00:29:52.720 I think Trump is excessive in his abuse of it.

00:29:56.140 But it is a deeper problem that Congress has been giving power to the president, more and

00:30:01.000 more power.

00:30:02.000 And that's not what this country was supposed to be at its founding.

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00:31:20.120 Any president, both presidents, the last two, the last one and this one, have abused their

00:31:27.660 power.

00:31:28.300 They've gone beyond the scope of what is normal in America, okay?

00:31:33.900 And it happened with the president before that and the president before that.

00:31:37.620 If Congress allows the administrative state to just make rules any way they want, oh, it's

00:31:45.840 up to the secretary to make that, then this is the system you get.

00:31:50.840 You have no check on the administrative power because you've destroyed the checks and balances

00:31:59.080 system.

00:31:59.660 You know, the check on administrative power was Congress, but you've given all that power

00:32:06.400 to the president.

00:32:07.720 You've got to take it back.

00:32:10.260 I agree that Congress needs to be the check.

00:32:13.200 But, you know, I mean, right now in the Oversight Committee, I mean, they're not doing anything.

00:32:17.640 There's no oversight.

00:32:19.100 You know, I had said, Elon's upset at me.

00:32:21.300 I said he should come and subpoena and testify to Congress.

00:32:23.420 How can you have all these cuts that you're doing and not tell Congress and the American

00:32:27.820 people what you're doing?

00:32:28.840 So my view is, you know.

00:32:31.440 How could you spend all this money as Congress?

00:32:34.320 How could you just give them all this money without anybody knowing what they're doing?

00:32:37.960 Look at the things that they have found that you're like, wait a minute, we were doing

00:32:41.500 what?

00:32:43.040 I mean, so that goes both ways.

00:32:45.340 The country is out of control is the point, I think.

00:32:48.180 I will give you that the Congress needs to assert its power more, that the Congress needs

00:32:53.140 to have strong oversight.

00:32:55.360 Now, you and I disagree.

00:32:56.700 I think the administrative state in many places has played a constructive role.

00:33:01.240 I mean, that was the architecture of the progressive era, the FDR in terms of safe, clean water,

00:33:06.060 clean air, safe food.

00:33:08.080 We all want that.

00:33:09.180 We all want that.

00:33:10.000 But Congress, I think, has to have an assertive oversight role and not just a perfunctory

00:33:16.360 role, which is what has allowed presidents way too much power on war and peace, way too

00:33:22.980 much power to do what they want in terms of these agencies and it disconnects from the

00:33:29.000 American public.

00:33:30.380 Yeah, I'm concerned just as much about the agencies doing what they want without the

00:33:34.680 presidential, you know, seal of approval.

00:33:38.020 They get to make the laws and should be in Congress anyway.

00:33:41.220 You were instrumental.

00:33:42.620 I mean, you worked hard and it was kind of your architecture on the Inflation Reduction

00:33:48.080 Act.

00:33:49.720 A, how much inflation did it reduce?

00:33:52.360 And B, Joe Biden came out and said, wish we would have named it that because it was a

00:33:57.160 Green New Deal, which it was.

00:33:59.480 So I don't want to take too much credit for it.

00:34:02.380 I'm proud of the Inflation Reduction Act, but I had much more of a role in the Chips and

00:34:06.540 Science Act.

00:34:07.160 I did play some role in the Inflation Reduction Act with being part of the conversations to

00:34:12.580 convince Manchin to support it.

00:34:15.140 But I don't want to exaggerate my role just out of honesty.

00:34:18.360 But here's why I think it's a good thing.

00:34:20.440 Two parts.

00:34:21.600 One, it has a lot of tax credits for wind, for solar, for geothermal.

00:34:25.720 I don't understand why this, why are we debating this, right?

00:34:29.700 I mean, the point is I'm for nuclear.

00:34:32.000 But why not have all of the above, you know?

00:34:36.040 Wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:34:37.300 If you're saying all of above, I am with you.

00:34:40.940 In fact, that's what Donald Trump is saying as well, trying to rebalance, make sure that

00:34:46.260 we're not destroying everything we have and become Spain with the blackouts. 1.00

00:34:51.360 These tax credits, right?

00:34:52.820 We have tax credits, tax subsidies that we're giving the oil and gas industry that we have

00:34:58.940 since 1916.

00:35:00.280 Accelerate.

00:35:00.720 I agree with you there.

00:35:03.340 But why not with this new industry, which is three to four, five cents a kilowatt hour,

00:35:08.940 cheaper right now than nuclear, though I'm for nuclear.

00:35:11.400 Why wouldn't we want to lead in this over China?

00:35:14.560 And by the way, the places that are leading are Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama.

00:35:19.740 These are a lot of southern states that have a lot of the biggest investments in battery

00:35:25.600 and solar.

00:35:26.580 So to me, you know, I don't want China leading in this new.

00:35:29.960 Neither do I.

00:35:31.820 So here's the thing that I come back to.

00:35:37.120 There are those who want to reduce the human population or reduce our energy to the point

00:35:42.760 to where it's, you know, the dark ages.

00:35:44.660 You know, and and I'm all for new kinds of energy.

00:35:50.280 I'm at my ranch now, which is completely off the grid.

00:35:54.160 It's all solar.

00:35:55.940 We I mean, the windmill fell down and we didn't notice that it even fell down.

00:35:59.640 So we're not doing that.

00:36:00.680 But it's it is green as much as we possibly can be green.

00:36:05.740 We do have generators from time to time that have to kick on.

00:36:08.740 And it is 100 percent unreliable.

00:36:11.740 And I have spent I have spent over a million dollars over the last 10 years trying to make

00:36:18.160 green energy reliable for the use that I would use for.

00:36:23.060 You know, I have to do broadcasts.

00:36:24.320 So I'm pulling more juice out.

00:36:26.280 That is not ready.

00:36:27.420 I mean, maybe you can do it for a small house.

00:36:29.500 This is not ready for the government.

00:36:31.900 And I mean, sorry, for the for the industry of the United States.

00:36:35.760 No one is saying that we can be 100 percent renewable and we need better battery technology.

00:36:41.920 We need that type of battery technology, not just for the grids, but that could be in

00:36:45.260 your house so that you can capture it and use it or in your ranch.

00:36:50.660 And I but that's what, in my view, the IRA was doing.

00:36:53.540 It was trying to facilitate these new technologies.

00:36:56.160 Now, if you say, can we just do all in solar, wind, geothermal?

00:37:02.480 I mean, that'd be unrealistic.

00:37:03.780 But my view is let's build as much of that as we as we can.

00:37:08.620 I'm with you on that.

00:37:09.920 But that's not where many people on the left in your own party are.

00:37:14.760 They are for destroying oil and natural gas, which we were told was we had to go on destroying

00:37:21.740 the any possibility of nuclear energy.

00:37:24.380 We have to have all of it with AI coming online in the next five years.

00:37:29.360 It requires ninety nine percent of all of the energy that we're currently producing.

00:37:35.320 You want to talk about being behind China?

00:37:38.100 China's building every kind of power plant you can imagine under the sun every week.

00:37:43.340 They're opening a new one.

00:37:45.300 I haven't seen a new one open.

00:37:47.000 We could we could do it right here, Glenn.

00:37:49.060 I mean, because you've been very thoughtful.

00:37:50.180 I didn't know you had so many solar and wind at your ranch.

00:37:53.680 Why don't we say, look, we're going to need some of the natural gas in western Pennsylvania

00:37:57.240 and Homer City to build the AI data center there.

00:38:00.220 We're going to need nuclear.

00:38:01.100 But we also shouldn't get rid, in my view, of the IRA tax credits because we're going to

00:38:05.540 need the solar battery wind production.

00:38:08.120 And America should be this energy leader in the world.

00:38:12.980 So help me out on something, because this is this is a view that I hold that I despise,

00:38:19.960 but it's the only answer I can come up with.

00:38:22.120 And that is UBI with AI coming and the displacement of jobs that are that is coming.

00:38:32.940 I mean, we're we're going to find new jobs.

00:38:35.320 We're going to have to retrain, et cetera.

00:38:37.220 But there is going to be a massive turnover of jobs, and that will lead to all kinds of

00:38:42.680 problems.

00:38:43.860 And we've got to talk about something like UBI, but not from the government.

00:38:50.040 I think it should come from these companies that have used all of my information, all of

00:38:56.920 your information, all of everybody's information to gain this power that they will now have over

00:39:04.440 the world and the wealth.

00:39:07.540 Do you agree?

00:39:09.100 I'm for the idea of a tax on people's data and a dividend, but it's probably not going

00:39:14.240 to when you look and do the math, it's probably not more than five hundred or a thousand dollars

00:39:18.480 individually.

00:39:19.720 But where are we getting where are we going to get the do you agree that some sort of

00:39:24.940 universal basic income or something like that is going to have to come into play?

00:39:30.960 I think it's important as people are transitioning or if they're out of work, but I don't think

00:39:36.060 we can.

00:39:36.940 This country is too proud.

00:39:38.420 They don't want all the production, all the wealth generation to be in Silicon Valley

00:39:42.880 and people.

00:39:43.820 So how do we because I agree with that, but how do we stop?

00:39:46.720 There's we're setting up a system where there could be four people that have 90 percent

00:39:51.660 of the wealth because they control A.I.

00:39:56.060 So how do we how do we stop that?

00:39:59.400 Well, I think we've got to, first of all, democratize A.I.

00:40:05.620 Let me give me very concrete.

00:40:07.660 If we're going to have new factories, right, that are A.I., robotics, instead of forty five

00:40:13.220 hundred people, maybe they have five hundred people because they're still going to need

00:40:16.700 precision machinists.

00:40:17.920 Correct.

00:40:18.320 They need quality control.

00:40:19.680 Why aren't those five hundred people who are working there?

00:40:22.040 Why don't they get some stock?

00:40:23.280 I mean, why is it that just the CEO should get the stock and the capital owners should

00:40:27.040 get the stock with the increased productivity?

00:40:29.180 Those workers should be building as well.

00:40:30.800 So I think workers need to have some equity and ownership in a model where A.I.

00:40:35.440 is going to have productivity.

00:40:36.840 I think we need to have massive new industry, new factories coming up with these increased

00:40:41.560 productivity.

00:40:42.640 So you go to a place like Johnstown and you're honest, OK, the new steel plant there is not

00:40:47.040 going to have forty five hundred people.

00:40:48.540 It's going to have seven hundred people.

00:40:50.340 But you know what?

00:40:51.220 They're they're still going to need restaurants. 0.87

00:40:53.180 When you go to a restaurant, I really don't want a robot serving me, just like I hate the fact

00:40:57.800 when I'm right, CVS and I got to struggle with that checkout counter.

00:41:02.580 And, you know, and the A.I. is not going to replace you, Glenn.

00:41:05.040 They don't have your sense of humor or I mean, I don't I don't think we can have a Glenn Beck

00:41:09.500 bot yet in terms of.

00:41:11.520 Well, I think there's a lot of people that follow you that would be very would is right

00:41:15.740 in that camp.

00:41:16.420 We cannot have one.

00:41:18.080 We should not have one.

00:41:20.640 So I think there's there's there's creativity.

00:41:23.620 There's care.

00:41:24.340 But the cliche is that A.I. is not going to take your job.

00:41:28.240 But people who know A.I. may.

00:41:30.980 And that's why I do think one of the things really important is to have tech academies.

00:41:35.020 Look, there's something more important than learning tech.

00:41:37.080 And that is learning about the Constitution, American history and how to how to be good

00:41:41.540 writers in English and readers English.

00:41:43.820 But the second most important thing for kids today is have some understanding of technology

00:41:48.620 so that when they become an electrician, a plumber, a nurse, a doctor, that they know

00:41:54.260 the machines that what how to prompt them.

00:41:56.860 They're going to you still need for A.I., someone to prompt the A.I., someone to ask the

00:42:00.840 question, someone to know the business.

00:42:03.260 And I think those are the types of jobs we want young people to have in the modern factory. 0.64

00:42:07.740 So what I think this country is desperate for is to say, look, we understand where the future

00:42:12.540 is going.

00:42:12.960 And don't just tell us we're not going to have work or opportunity.

00:42:17.200 We want to build economic.

00:42:18.640 Oh, I know.

00:42:19.600 And I agree.

00:42:21.120 I absolutely agree with that.

00:42:23.760 I have been saying this for 15 years.

00:42:25.880 We must talk about what's coming our way with A.I.

00:42:31.240 Because once it arrives, it's too late to talk about.

00:42:34.880 We need to plan.

00:42:36.320 And and, you know, if we treat this like we we treated your iPhone or social media, we're

00:42:43.860 doomed.

00:42:44.480 We can't take this casually and just go, well, I'll just see what happens.

00:42:49.740 But on the other hand, with you, with you in government, how would you legislate against

00:42:58.460 or, you know, to control A.I.?

00:43:01.180 I mean, it's going to be moving so fast by the time you'd get it through Congress.

00:43:04.680 Because it's already mutated.

00:43:06.620 Well, I'd say two things.

00:43:07.820 I think there are two issues.

00:43:08.980 One is the kind of killer robots A.I. is a threat.

00:43:12.640 I'm not dismissing that.

00:43:14.320 But I think the bigger threat of A.I. is it's going to be like globalization.

00:43:17.560 It's going to lead to the concentration of wealth generation in certain communities in

00:43:24.680 places like Silicon Valley.

00:43:25.820 It's going to hollow out the working and middle class. 1.00

00:43:27.900 The way to deal with that is to first figure out that workers have a say in how this technology 0.96

00:43:32.400 is going to be adopted.

00:43:33.220 Workers get ownership.

00:43:34.100 That we're actually deploying the technology to create economic prosperity across the country

00:43:39.000 with a concerted effort with government and the private sector, a Marshall Plan for America,

00:43:43.380 where we're saying, here's our economic vision for every community in this country.

00:43:47.720 On the regulation, I don't think politicians are going to be able to do it.

00:43:51.360 I mean, if you see the questioning in Congress, I said Congress is the only body that can make

00:43:56.340 Mark Zuckerberg look sympathetic.

00:43:58.380 He can't.

00:43:59.000 He's like, go get him.

00:44:00.700 And then you have these Congress people, both parties being like, Mark, you know, who makes

00:44:04.420 the iPhone, Apple or Google?

00:44:05.860 And they're like, God help us.

00:44:07.320 You know, and we need a A.I.

00:44:10.980 regulatory body like we have a nuclear body with scientists, technologists, experts to

00:44:17.040 be able to do it.

00:44:18.260 OK, I got votes coming up, Glenn.

00:44:20.120 And so I know I want to I want to thank you for having the conversation.

00:44:25.380 Love to have you back.

00:44:26.340 Thank you very much.

00:44:27.280 You know, we need more conversations like this in this country.

00:44:29.960 I agree.

00:44:30.720 You know, we're honest differences, but a common commitment to the Constitution.

00:44:35.420 Anybody who says don't talk to the other side is dangerous.

00:44:39.300 Congress, if I can't if I can't ask you how you got there, I can't make any growth.

00:44:45.660 And I'm also then just declaring that I'm smarter than you and I'm not.

00:44:49.760 We have to have these conversations.

00:44:51.820 Who knows?

00:44:52.260 But look, I appreciate that you did this with civility, thoughtfulness, stuck to your principles.

00:44:57.360 I just think the country would be a better place if we could have more conversations like this.

00:45:00.560 Thank you, Congressman.

00:45:01.300 Appreciate it.

00:45:01.700 Bye-bye.

00:45:02.020 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

The Glenn Beck Program - May 24, 2025

Ep 258 ｜ Rep. Ro Khanna & Glenn Beck Debate Deportations, Tax Cuts & Trump ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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