The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 266 ｜ Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:19.600 Wars, rumors of wars, political divides, hatred over this, hatred over that.

00:01:27.280 It's pretty much the cycle of news, isn't it?

00:01:29.520 I mean, that sums it up.

00:01:30.780 The way we think about our world, the way we think about ourselves, our lives, sometimes isn't much better than that.

00:01:38.600 I overslept.

00:01:39.340 I didn't get enough sleep.

00:01:40.260 I worked too hard.

00:01:41.040 I sat around too much.

00:01:42.120 I don't have this.

00:01:43.320 I don't have that.

00:01:44.120 I eat too much of this.

00:01:45.880 The bills are due again. 0.99

00:01:46.940 And I'm such a loser. 0.92

00:01:48.480 All of these things is common for all of us to think. 0.94

00:01:54.200 But that's not how God made us to think.

00:01:57.400 He gives us a choice.

00:01:59.040 This week, our guest has discovered how to reset our minds to factory settings, and it makes all of the difference in the world.

00:02:06.080 Please welcome, for his third time on the Glenn Beck Podcast, bestselling author, pastor, and good dear friend, Max Lucado.

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00:03:13.440 Max, you are, I mean, you're called America's pastor for a reason.

00:03:30.080 I mean, you are right on the pulse, I think, of what is happening in the world.

00:03:37.600 Last time, I think you were on, were we not talking about end of days kind of stuff?

00:03:41.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:44.180 Yeah, we were talking about, you know, what the future holds according to a Bible, biblical worldview.

00:03:52.040 Right, right.

00:03:52.900 And I think a lot of people are going through, is this, where are we in time?

00:03:58.280 And I found it really reassuring coming from you and that you could take us through as not somebody who is always saying,

00:04:05.400 oh, the end of the world is here, because that's not really what it's about.

00:04:09.180 And now, at least in my life, this book comes out and, you know, it's so funny because just two weeks ago,

00:04:20.720 I said to a friend, I've been wrestling with some things, and I thought, you know, I wrote this down.

00:04:27.700 This is how I have to start looking at things.

00:04:29.700 It's choose your thinking and change your life.

00:04:35.340 And now, your book, and it is exactly the same thing.

00:04:39.960 It is.

00:04:40.340 It's the same idea.

00:04:41.340 Let's get into this, because I think this book is so important.

00:04:45.620 Explain what your concept is.

00:04:47.800 Well, you just summarized it, Glenn.

00:04:49.740 By the way, thank you so much for the opportunity.

00:04:52.120 But, yeah, I really believe that we can determine our life by choosing our thoughts.

00:04:59.780 And we do have the free will to select the thoughts that we have.

00:05:04.780 Just because we have a thought, we don't have to think it.

00:05:08.060 We don't have to believe everything we think.

00:05:10.560 And so much of life just comes down to managing the thoughts, what we ponder, what we contemplate, what voice we allow to go around and around inside our heads.

00:05:25.980 That's really where our life is managed.

00:05:30.500 I do believe that behavior is preceded by belief.

00:05:34.560 And so if you want to change your behavior, go upstream a bit and deal with your beliefs.

00:05:41.560 I'm glad this connected with you.

00:05:43.400 I do.

00:05:44.100 I think it's a struggle for a lot of people.

00:05:47.300 Yeah, I think it's a way to reset to factory settings in a way.

00:05:52.660 I've been struggling to try to figure out, because, boy, Max, my life is, I'm making massive changes in my life.

00:06:00.240 My kids are now all moved out of the house.

00:06:02.640 We just let the last one go.

00:06:04.640 My wife and I just moved out of the house that was the kids' childhood home.

00:06:11.300 And, you know, I'm 62.

00:06:13.880 And, boy, my mind is playing all kinds of games with me right now.

00:06:17.820 And I'm thinking of things that I know are destructive.

00:06:23.460 I'm thinking about the mistakes that I made with my children and everything else.

00:06:27.320 And I know that that is destructive.

00:06:33.160 And I'm trying to figure out, why does that happen?

00:06:35.400 Why are we like, is that because it's a safety mechanism that we're always trying to look for the thing that might hurt us?

00:06:44.000 And then it just spirals out of control?

00:06:46.780 Is it also spiritual in nature?

00:06:49.240 Why do we always choose the negative over the positive about ourselves?

00:06:55.700 You're not alone.

00:06:56.840 I do the very same thing, Glenn.

00:07:00.260 I've been at the same church since 1988.

00:07:03.680 The church is doing wonderfully.

00:07:06.120 We have my successor is leading the staff.

00:07:10.020 The church is growing.

00:07:11.200 I preach, you know, a fraction of the number of times that I used to.

00:07:16.020 I'm 70 years old.

00:07:17.260 It was right, you know, to turn the leadership of the church.

00:07:20.680 But Sunday morning, just a couple of days ago, I was sitting in the sanctuary.

00:07:25.200 The place was packed.

00:07:26.980 People were happy.

00:07:28.160 Young people everywhere.

00:07:29.520 And what am I thinking?

00:07:31.440 Oh, they don't need me anymore.

00:07:33.540 I'm superfluous to this place.

00:07:36.900 You know, I was I would just let my mind go.

00:07:41.140 So I have two answers to that.

00:07:44.260 I'd love your thoughts.

00:07:46.180 Number one, I do think it's a spiritual issue.

00:07:50.020 I agree.

00:07:50.480 You know, the Bible talks a lot about thoughts.

00:07:53.660 And there's a little phrase tucked in John 13 and verse two about the story of Judas that is often overlooked.

00:08:01.760 And it's a little phrase.

00:08:03.400 Uh, Satan placed the idea in the mind of Judas to betray Jesus.

00:08:11.640 So he placed an idea in the mind of Judas.

00:08:15.920 And so I do believe there is a great God, a loving God who cares for us, who loves us.

00:08:22.080 But I believe there's a malevolent force, the devil, who means us evil.

00:08:27.700 And he places these thoughts in our minds.

00:08:31.820 And that leads into a little more of a secular answer.

00:08:37.140 And that is, we all have proclivities to certain negative thought patterns.

00:08:42.060 Uh, it might surprise people.

00:08:45.180 Uh, I'm, I'm a bit insecure and, and, and I'm not surprised that Satan knows this and that he comes in a beautiful worship service in which I should be thrilled.

00:08:55.760 And yet I allow myself to feel forgotten, neglected, because he loves to take our joy.

00:09:02.820 What, what do you think, Glenn?

00:09:05.760 I, I agree with everything that you, you just said.

00:09:09.380 I, um, I know, I mean, I gauge what I'm doing sometimes on the amount of level of attack I'm under.

00:09:19.140 Uh, you know, you know, you're over the target when you're getting the most flack.

00:09:23.580 Um, I think Satan puts up his, his, his best spiritual punches at you when you are doing or about to do something important.

00:09:34.400 I agree.

00:09:35.440 But I also, I also think there are these tapes that we grew up with tapes that, you know, we heard from a childhood.

00:09:43.140 Uh, you know, if I, I moved away from my home at 18 and I moved across the country in a time when long distance phone calls were expensive and I was poor.

00:09:53.820 My family was poor.

00:09:54.780 I was poor and I couldn't call.

00:09:57.280 And I found in retrospect, I find that time of my life so important because I didn't have the voice of others. 0.93

00:10:07.460 I was no longer the little stinky brother.

00:10:09.360 I was never, you know, I was allowed to be me and discover me. 0.98

00:10:13.760 But at the same time, you know, we tell ourselves these lies over and over again, I'm fat, I'm ugly, I'm, I'm not smart. 0.62

00:10:26.540 I'm whatever it is.

00:10:28.260 Um, and, and I can't figure out why that happens naturally to us, why we're attracted to the negative.

00:10:36.580 Other than it seems to be the way of the world with the Lord, the way he created us service to get me to do service is like pulling teeth until I'm there.

00:10:47.920 And then I'm driving home and I'm like, why don't I do this every day?

00:10:50.860 I feel so good.

00:10:51.720 I know it, but it's hard to get there.

00:10:56.100 It seems like the way we're designed.

00:10:58.980 I think you're hitting so many truths square on.

00:11:02.820 I don't know which one to pick first.

00:11:04.420 Maybe I'll start with what you said about our upbringing.

00:11:08.360 Uh, we cannot overestimate, I'm sorry.

00:11:11.180 Yeah.

00:11:11.560 We cannot overestimate the importance that voices of authority have in our lives.

00:11:21.400 Um, I mean, if it's a high school football coach, if it's a father, if it's a girl scout master, if it's an older sibling.

00:11:33.140 But when you're young and you're so, uh, impressionable and somebody that is physically larger than you, uh, older than you perhaps has a position over you like a teacher or a principal.

00:11:49.080 And when they say things to you that hurt, uh, those go deep, uh, they embed themselves in our psyche.

00:11:59.840 And, uh, it's, it's a, it's a challenge in some ways we spend all of our lives responding to the negative and positive voices that we hear in our youth.

00:12:15.860 That's why parenting matters.

00:12:18.420 And that's why, uh, we have to understand that, uh, ultimately God is the only authority and people that we might have respected.

00:12:30.320 They were limited in their understanding.

00:12:33.160 And we even have to take their criticisms sometimes, especially take their criticisms with a grain of salt.

00:12:43.560 You know, I, a friend of mine said, when you want to understand how to be a parent, imagine God as your literal perfect father.

00:12:56.000 Um, because you will see the pain that you have to go through for the best in the child.

00:13:04.560 You'll see why they don't, he doesn't give you everything you think you want.

00:13:07.980 He, you, you, you'll know how to discipline with true love, um, and restraint.

00:13:13.440 And, and, uh, and I, I think that is, I think that's true, but we look at our parents, uh, who are so flawed and at least for, at least until I started, you know, getting gray hair, you don't, you look at your parents in particular as people who, you know, they're your parents.

00:13:36.860 They're supposed to know better and we're all bluffing, we're all bluffing, yeah, all bluffing, you know, um, and if we would just look for a higher, instead of going to the experts, so-called go to the eternal pattern set by God, I think we're so much better off.

00:13:59.060 I agree a hundred percent.

00:14:01.760 And, uh, you're going through a lot of change right now in your life.

00:14:05.600 It sounds like, and these times of change relocating from one house to another, uh, saying goodbye to our kids, wondering if we raised our kids, if we equipped our kids well, uh, we tend to be our own worst enemy during times like that.

00:14:23.640 Uh, I came across some, oh, go ahead.

00:14:26.600 Go ahead.

00:14:27.500 No, go ahead.

00:14:27.980 Well, uh, Cleveland Clinic tells us number one, that, that we have 70,000 thoughts a day.

00:14:34.960 That's a lot of thoughts.

00:14:36.520 Most of them don't matter.

00:14:37.960 You know, oh, I think I need to go to the restroom. 0.94

00:14:40.280 Hey, I need to be sure and feed the dog.

00:14:42.020 Oh boy.

00:14:42.440 It's hot outside.

00:14:43.320 Most of them are neutral, but of those who have an emotional impact upon us, the Cleveland Clinic says, hang on to your hat.

00:14:51.940 Four out of five are critical.

00:14:55.240 Four out of five are critical.

00:14:57.380 That is stunning to me.

00:14:59.900 Our nature tends to beat ourselves up.

00:15:03.720 Does that statistic surprise you, Glenn?

00:15:05.680 No, um, and that's what I've been pondering.

00:15:10.080 Why is that our nature?

00:15:12.200 I mean, let me, let me go back to something and ask you this question.

00:15:16.360 I know what logos means.

00:15:18.980 So, uh, I'm asking for a more of a surface answer, but in the beginning there was the word and the word was God to me.

00:15:27.960 And especially if you understand logos, the living word that has power, all of our words, if we are, if we are truly sons or daughters of a heavenly father, we have some, some of his power within us.

00:15:45.260 And his power comes from speaking it and it becomes, and it's the one thing that we don't ever seem to concentrate on.

00:15:55.000 We don't, even pastors don't really connect that.

00:15:58.900 God creates through thought and word, not hammers and nails, thoughts and words.

00:16:05.440 And it's the same with us.

00:16:07.320 Absolutely.

00:16:08.400 I could not agree more.

00:16:10.540 Uh, the 20, I was ordained in 1978 and like many pastors, I thought it was my job to tell people how to behave.

00:16:21.900 And I would say, do this or don't do this.

00:16:24.740 That was the essence of my work.

00:16:27.380 Uh, do this, don't do this.

00:16:29.220 I was always focused on behavior, uh, about halfway into my ministry of over all these years.

00:16:37.420 It, it, it dawned on me that really the scripture always deals with belief before it deals with behavior.

00:16:45.260 Uh, someone pointed this out to me in the writings of the apostle Paul, that all of his epistles are dominated by, uh, at least 50, I'm sorry, 30% belief.

00:16:59.220 And then the rest of the epistle will be behavior, belief that God loves you.

00:17:04.960 Belief that you're saved by grace.

00:17:07.420 Belief that God will hear your prayers.

00:17:11.320 He, he introduces his epistles by, uh, talking to our belief system, our thought system.

00:17:18.000 He's, he's shaping a worldview.

00:17:20.280 And then he begins talking to us about, you know, not getting drunk, uh, about respecting one another, about telling the truth and all that's important.

00:17:30.640 But, but it's easy when you know who you are, you know, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.

00:17:37.420 Once you, once you have that belief system, once your worldview is healthy, one of the statistics I came across really stunned me.

00:17:46.520 And that is people who battled the HIV virus were asked, do you believe in the presence of a living and loving God?

00:17:58.060 Those who said yes, those who said yes, had a 300,000 times percentage, greater odds of healing than those who said no.

00:18:12.140 300,000 times?

00:18:14.540 1,000,000 times.

00:18:16.080 It was stunning.

00:18:17.400 It's like the belief in a living and loving God activates something in our physical bodies, in our bodies that, that creates health.

00:18:28.040 And conversely, the idea that there is no God, or if there is a God, he's ticked off at me, perpetually angry at me.

00:18:37.140 Yeah, I know.

00:18:37.560 That creates a, even saying those words can create a sense of heaviness in our lives.

00:18:44.320 And so that's why I think if we're going to really tame our thoughts, we've got to begin to understand what thoughts it is are best for us to think.

00:18:53.160 So, could I go secular here for you?

00:18:55.900 Absolutely.

00:18:56.780 My father, he believed in God.

00:19:01.340 He called God mind, because he said, if I say the word God, that is defined by each individual in their own upbringing and everything else, and it carries so much baggage.

00:19:15.940 He said, so let's just call it mind, or universal spirit.

00:19:19.960 Um, and he said, let's look at it as an engine and it works the same everywhere all the time.

00:19:28.340 And when I was really struggling in my thirties and I was sobering up, he said, uh, I want you to keep a record of your thoughts.

00:19:37.700 Keep a record of your thoughts just for one day.

00:19:39.840 Take a notepad, put P positive on one side and on the other, put a line down the middle and just don't judge the thoughts.

00:19:46.160 Don't think of the thoughts, just notice the thoughts and just count positive, negative, positive, negative.

00:19:51.840 And I was overwhelmed with the negative and he told me I would be.

00:19:57.220 And, uh, he said, uh, your problem is you are, you are building yourself, your life into what you don't, you say you don't want, but because you're thinking about that, that's the way you're perceiving everything.

00:20:12.920 And that's what you're creating.

00:20:15.420 Um, and, uh, it's, it's, he said, you have to start thinking the other to believe the other.

00:20:24.920 And I said, but dad, I don't believe, I don't believe any of those things. 0.99

00:20:27.860 I do believe that I'm stupid. 0.99

00:20:29.180 I do believe that I'm whatever it was. 1.00

00:20:31.400 And he said, well, then you always will be. 0.99

00:20:33.820 He said, you want to change, then you have to say over and over, you got to say it five to one, you have a stupid thought, you, you empower it on the other side, five to one. 0.99

00:20:47.380 And he said, fake it until you are that. 0.98

00:20:50.920 And I really didn't think that was going to work because I, because I was saying things I didn't believe, you know what I mean?

00:20:57.060 At the time, but there is something to that.

00:21:02.300 It's, I mean, I believe it is the power of God within us that is creating, and this is the map of the, that engine he talked about.

00:21:09.000 So I believe it is not secular, but you can understand it in a secular way.

00:21:13.740 Can't you?

00:21:14.160 Absolutely.

00:21:15.980 And what is happening, Glenn, I believe, is that as you are speaking positive words to yourself, you are agreeing with that logos that you mentioned earlier.

00:21:28.580 You're agreeing with the authoritative word that is spoken over the universe.

00:21:36.280 Now, I, a person can be absolutely secular, totally atheist, atheistic, and say things that God would say according to scripture and still benefit from them.

00:21:50.680 You know, and instead of assuming this is going to be a terrible day, what if I get up and say, okay, I'm going to have a good day.

00:21:59.400 Well, that is God's will for you and for me and for every person.

00:22:03.880 He doesn't wish any evil upon people.

00:22:07.900 And so when I say that, even if I'm a secular thinker, I'm agreeing with that supernatural presence of God that's in the world, and I am receiving his will in my life.

00:22:21.260 Now, of course, as a pastor, that would encourage somebody.

00:22:25.640 Jesus Christ is the only picture of God ever taken.

00:22:29.660 He is the presence of God on earth.

00:22:31.620 And so here's what he has to say about you.

00:22:34.880 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son.

00:22:39.000 So you're receiving God's love into your life.

00:22:42.600 And you were intended to lead a life in which you have harmony with him, harmony with others.

00:22:49.360 And it all begins with the way that you think.

00:22:52.520 And we know this by the Garden of Eden story.

00:22:56.280 When Satan tempted Eve, he just simply placed a thought in her mind.

00:23:02.280 Did God really say?

00:23:04.740 And he just deposited that doubt.

00:23:07.780 And that doubt spiraled into disbelief.

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00:24:35.120 So, let's go through some of the things you talk about.

00:24:38.720 Anxiety, guilt, lust, being overwhelmed, pain.

00:24:43.280 Let's start with that.

00:24:44.000 I have noticed, and I've really, I've really, uh, I'm, I'm getting better every day at figuring this out.

00:24:57.760 Um, but I've, I've got bad back pain.

00:25:01.220 I fell out of a two-story window.

00:25:02.980 So, I don't know, when I'm in my 30s, and it's just gotten to the point, Max, to where it's just, I can't take, I've gone to a doctor and the whole time, and he said, I won't cut into you until you beg me.

00:25:12.820 And I'm like, I'm begging you now.

00:25:14.700 And I have found, I have come to this place to where I thought I was a good, I was, I had solved the things that would lead me to be a man of good character.

00:25:29.440 And pain can wring all of that out of you.

00:25:35.240 And I'm trying to get a handle on how to deal with that, and how to choose my thinking on that, that will strengthen my character.

00:25:51.160 So, I'm not somebody who snaps at somebody.

00:25:53.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:54.680 I would imagine that nine out of ten of people listening to this podcast could tell a similar story using a different part of their body.

00:26:08.120 I just have a feeling that, in my case, it's a shoulder.

00:26:12.260 I had a shoulder replacement surgery three months ago, and it still hurts.

00:26:18.140 It does.

00:26:18.940 It woke me up last night.

00:26:20.440 But there were days the pain was so severe that I found my thinking foggy and unclear.

00:26:28.100 It's a real challenge.

00:26:30.600 But I think it's the same, isn't it, though, with any kind of pain, mental pain, mental anguish.

00:26:40.180 You're questioning, did I do enough for my kids?

00:26:42.760 Did I do too much for my kids?

00:26:44.620 All of that stuff just weighs down on you.

00:26:47.540 So, how do you get around that?

00:26:49.340 How do you break that?

00:26:51.960 In this book, I unpack a couple of tools, three tools, actually, that I really think are helpful.

00:26:59.020 And one of them is to practice picky thinking.

00:27:03.000 The scripture verse in the book of 2 Corinthians says, take every thought captive, every thought captive.

00:27:09.660 So, really, the idea of standing at the entryway to the thoughts that come my way and determining, filtering out those which are unhealthy and receiving those which are true is really essential.

00:27:28.300 In this case, let's say, you know, that your back is really hurting.

00:27:33.520 It's a fair thought.

00:27:34.940 It's a true thought to say, my back is hurting.

00:27:38.300 Would it be a true thought to say, the second verse of that, I'm never going to get better?

00:27:43.780 So, there's where we have to filter. 0.98

00:27:46.780 Yeah, my shoulder really, I mean, it sucks.

00:27:49.340 It hurts.

00:27:50.400 Man, I can't.

00:27:51.120 Oh, goodness.

00:27:52.420 And my day, I get it.

00:27:53.820 Today is a little, is heavied with pain.

00:27:57.200 But I have to interrupt the spiral on that.

00:28:01.800 And I have to say, okay, I'm going to tell myself the truth.

00:28:04.900 I'm going to practice picky thinking.

00:28:06.760 I'm going to take that thought captive.

00:28:08.460 And the rest of that verse says, make it submit to the authority of Christ.

00:28:13.740 And the idea is to take a thought into the presence of God and say, God, I'm thinking that I really hurt.

00:28:21.320 Now, that's true.

00:28:22.460 But I find myself spiraling or catastrophizing or assuming the worst.

00:28:29.920 Is that from you or is that from the devil?

00:28:32.940 And I know the answer to that.

00:28:34.880 And that's where I'm trying to practice that discipline, Glenn, of interrupting that thought before it takes over an unfair advantage in my mind.

00:28:47.440 Does that make sense?

00:28:49.620 Yeah, it does.

00:28:51.100 I look at it like I was very careful on saying how I was struggling with some of my thinking.

00:28:57.760 And to rephrase it in, I'm really, I'm getting better every day at understanding some things that are troubling me.

00:29:08.440 You know, being able to say things like that, you know, to say, I am really having a bad pain day, but I know something glorious is going to happen to me.

00:29:20.160 That's it.

00:29:20.840 Because of this, something is going to happen.

00:29:22.840 The Lord is not just saying, live with this pain.

00:29:26.460 He is teaching me something.

00:29:28.580 And it's really hard.

00:29:30.360 It's really hard.

00:29:31.220 But we have to, yeah, we just have to find, because he has a purpose for everything.

00:29:36.760 I'm not saying he gives you pain.

00:29:38.320 Our bodies give us pain.

00:29:40.160 He created our body.

00:29:41.560 He can heal our body.

00:29:42.740 But sometimes he chooses not to heal our body for some reason.

00:29:46.340 And then we have to find, you know, I find myself really having a hard time complaining about pain when you just think of the nails being put into the Lord's hands.

00:29:58.460 You know, my gosh, the pain that he went through.

00:30:02.680 But he knew the good that would come out of it.

00:30:07.500 And I think that's how he endured it.

00:30:09.860 Absolutely.

00:30:10.480 For the joy set before him, he endured the cross.

00:30:13.620 And Glenn, I think what you're saying is so spot on.

00:30:16.900 I hope that we can transcribe this and make it required reading.

00:30:21.480 Because what you're saying is this pain has a purpose.

00:30:26.260 It's when we think our pain is random and meaningless that we begin to descend into a pit of despair.

00:30:37.440 But if I can believe that, yes, I'm not pretending I don't hurt.

00:30:43.660 I'm not glossing over.

00:30:45.020 I'm not trying to be some Pollyanna.

00:30:47.880 It really does hurt.

00:30:49.920 But I really believe that God can use this.

00:30:55.900 Maybe he'll use this to help me be more dependent upon him.

00:31:00.200 Maybe I needed a reminder that I live in a mortal body and he's preparing me for something eternal.

00:31:06.460 Maybe I needed a lesson on pain so that I can be more compassionate toward others.

00:31:12.860 And see, that kind of thinking causes me to say, okay, it really hurts.

00:31:18.260 It's hurt for 12 hours.

00:31:19.840 I was up all night.

00:31:21.000 It's really hard.

00:31:22.380 But, Lord, I'm going to believe that you're going to use this either to shape my character for my good or so that I can be more compassionate toward someone else.

00:31:33.280 And I trust that you hear me just like you said, Glenn, since Christ lived in a mortal body and experienced physical pain, then I can say, Lord, I know you know how I feel.

00:31:44.900 And I ask you to help me.

00:31:47.060 That's a far healthier thought process than one that would lead down into this quicksand of sadness and despair.

00:31:55.040 And I think that's, Max, how you know it's true.

00:32:01.440 I'm listening to you.

00:32:02.460 And I'm refiguring everything that has been going on in my life.

00:32:17.760 And I think you know it's true when, because it's true that the truth will set you free.

00:32:26.440 And that doesn't mean you're not going to have pain.

00:32:29.560 That doesn't mean you're not going to have troubles.

00:32:30.980 It's not going to, it doesn't mean you're not going to have regrets or whatever.

00:32:35.100 But when you look at it that way and you, when you were saying to me, because it will shape my character, it'll make me better.

00:32:42.240 It's going to, something good is going to come.

00:32:45.380 I've been saying that to myself for a while.

00:32:47.360 But when you just said it again, authority figures, when you just said it to me, and I heard it from you, everything in me changed. 0.96

00:33:02.640 And I just know that it is true, that the truth setting you free, I'm no longer, I don't have to be burdened by the crap that's in my head.

00:33:15.040 The Lord is doing something with me that will make me freer and, and more like him.

00:33:22.860 Does that make sense to you?

00:33:24.740 Absolutely.

00:33:25.580 Absolutely.

00:33:26.660 I think understanding the sequence of these thoughts is really, is really helpful.

00:33:33.180 A tool that I use in my life and with others, I call UFO, UFO.

00:33:40.680 And I'm not talking about aliens over Roswell, New Mexico.

00:33:43.980 But I'm talking about how an untruth leads to a false narrative that leads to an overreaction.

00:33:54.120 An untruth.

00:33:55.520 The untruth would be, God is, this pain is a result of God's punishment to me.

00:34:04.520 He's pissed off at me and my back hurts.

00:34:08.140 That's an untruth.

00:34:09.280 That's a lie.

00:34:10.200 But that could be a thought in someone's head.

00:34:13.900 That then would lead to a false narrative.

00:34:17.420 And that false narrative would be, God is against me.

00:34:21.260 He's working against me.

00:34:23.260 All the forces of the universe are against me.

00:34:26.920 I'm all by myself.

00:34:28.740 Glenn, a lot of people you see walking down the street, they have that kind of spiral going on in their head.

00:34:34.260 And then that could lead to an overreaction.

00:34:38.380 You know, maybe I'm going to drink it away.

00:34:40.920 Maybe I'm going to spend it away.

00:34:43.080 Maybe I'm going to exit life itself.

00:34:46.220 You know, it could lead to an overreaction.

00:34:48.540 So starting with that untruth and treating it with truth is really how we interrupt that cycle.

00:34:55.720 And that's why understanding the truth that sets you free is so important.

00:35:02.680 So U is untruth.

00:35:07.140 Untruth.

00:35:07.600 And then F is?

00:35:09.620 False narrative.

00:35:10.920 And a narrative is what we say to ourselves and the way we see ourselves.

00:35:15.380 And that leads to an overreaction, an overreaction.

00:35:20.900 And usually that's some type of outlandish reaction, a temper tantrums, over unhealthy, unbudgeted spending.

00:35:29.640 You know, anything trying to treat the pain that only makes the pain worse.

00:35:35.360 So let me try another.

00:35:38.380 You're somebody who really believes in God, but you've dropped the ball on something.

00:35:42.860 This is something that I think every parent goes through.

00:35:46.960 But as my kids, you know, I've been thinking we didn't read the scriptures every night.

00:35:52.640 I knew that was important and we didn't.

00:35:55.140 And there were times that I cut the corners and there were times that I did this and I was tired.

00:35:59.380 And so you don't necessarily think God is mad at you, but you have this thought that I'm not worthy.

00:36:18.000 That's your false narrative.

00:36:20.480 You know, I wasn't enough for this situation.

00:36:24.840 That's not true.

00:36:26.040 You did the best you could.

00:36:27.320 And then your false narrative is I'm not worthy.

00:36:31.300 And then your outrageous action is deep depression, suicide, all of those destructive thoughts.

00:36:38.560 Am I on the right pattern here?

00:36:40.860 Exactly.

00:36:41.640 Exactly.

00:36:42.780 And so to treat that, the minute that untruth surfaces and you say I was a rotten parent, which I have a strong feeling you were not.

00:36:51.940 But let's just say, but I think everybody kind of goes through that.

00:36:55.560 We all, I've raised three kids.

00:36:57.520 I know it.

00:36:58.500 Yeah.

00:36:58.800 We all beat ourselves up, right?

00:37:00.960 We all could have done better.

00:37:02.320 And that's true.

00:37:03.220 Yeah.

00:37:03.360 Okay.

00:37:04.060 Yeah.

00:37:04.280 So let me, let me deal with that thought.

00:37:06.420 That thought surfaces in my mind.

00:37:08.400 And it says, you know what?

00:37:09.780 I was a cruddy father, but rather than giving in to where the devil wants that thought to

00:37:16.560 take me, what if I take that untruth and say, you know what, Lord, I fell short as a father,

00:37:24.740 but I trust that you're a perfect heavenly father.

00:37:27.540 And I believe what the scripture says.

00:37:29.840 And that is that all things work for good for those who love you and are called according to your purpose.

00:37:35.980 And so I take that untruth and I turn it into a truth and I say, Lord, could you make up?

00:37:40.920 Could you compensate?

00:37:42.800 Could you, you're unbound by time.

00:37:45.220 You can even minister in the past as well as the future.

00:37:48.380 And I start thinking these thoughts of faith.

00:37:51.460 And that leads to a true narrative that says, all right, the story's not over yet.

00:37:57.060 My kids, they're still, you know, they're still learning.

00:38:01.320 They're still being shaped.

00:38:02.360 And I did some things that were pretty good, dadgummit.

00:38:05.220 I did deposit some seeds by the grace of God.

00:38:08.580 And then that leads to a healthy reaction.

00:38:11.180 And that reaction might say, we're all still being created.

00:38:14.760 We're all works in progress.

00:38:17.220 God loves those kids more than I love my kids.

00:38:20.940 And so instead of freaking out, I trust, I release and I trust.

00:38:26.740 Does that make sense, Glenn?

00:38:28.440 Yes, it does.

00:38:29.560 It does.

00:38:30.440 Let me take something else that I think a lot of younger people might be going through.

00:38:34.440 I talked to a young woman last week and she was telling me that, you know, she came from a rough childhood.

00:38:43.820 Not rough, but a very tough childhood.

00:38:46.360 Appalachia.

00:38:46.880 And she worked so hard to get out and she went to school and she did everything that she was supposed to do.

00:38:54.020 And she had good grades and she worked hard.

00:38:56.080 And then she got married to a guy she loved and they've had children.

00:39:01.040 And she's like, now I've done everything right.

00:39:04.220 But now I'm stuck with this student loan.

00:39:06.200 I can't get a job because that was the whole college thing seems to her to be a lie.

00:39:13.600 You know, I'm trying to do the right thing, but we can't make ends meet.

00:39:17.960 We're never going to be able to buy a house.

00:39:20.040 We're never.

00:39:20.280 And people just get bogged down in this place.

00:39:24.880 And it's easy to see it now, Max.

00:39:27.120 It's so easy to see how these so easy to see how.

00:39:30.020 I mean, I would not want to be 30 again in this environment.

00:39:33.880 So you can see how it happens.

00:39:37.980 How would speak to that person?

00:39:39.900 How do you break that up?

00:39:42.220 That it's because that leads to resentment.

00:39:45.320 It leads to really destructive thoughts.

00:39:50.340 And that this that everything is against me and everything is wrong.

00:39:55.100 And it leads to, you know, the first rebel was Satan.

00:39:59.460 Real rebellion.

00:40:00.520 Forty two percent of young people, high school age people today experience persistent thoughts

00:40:08.960 of sadness and anxiety.

00:40:10.820 And twenty two percent have seriously contemplated suicide in six months prior to that particular

00:40:17.200 survey.

00:40:18.080 Now, you're talking about somebody who's not a teenager, but that those statistics reflected

00:40:24.300 the day and age in which we live.

00:40:26.720 And because we feel overwhelmed, we feel like we're facing overwhelming challenges.

00:40:33.460 One of my favorite stories, I think one of the most popular stories in the whole Bible

00:40:38.040 is the story of David and Goliath.

00:40:41.400 Remember the shepherd boy who went up against the Philistine giant?

00:40:44.960 And when you read that story, you might know that David only one time speaks about Goliath, but

00:40:56.040 nine times he speaks about God.

00:40:58.900 One time he speaks about Goliath and he calls him an uncircumcised Philistine.

00:41:04.280 Not a very politically correct phrase.

00:41:07.440 But then nine times he talks about the armies of the living God.

00:41:11.780 And who are you to come against the armies of the living God?

00:41:14.980 And that phrase is repeated over and over and over.

00:41:18.420 I think what David did there is an example for us.

00:41:22.940 What we can do when we face these overwhelming challenges, our own Goliaths, and that is we

00:41:29.340 can be careful and say, okay, we are facing a giant, but my God created the heavens and

00:41:35.120 the universe.

00:41:36.100 He has solutions I know nothing of, but he does love me.

00:41:40.360 He does care about me.

00:41:41.800 And I begin to outweigh the thoughts of Goliath with many, many more thoughts of the goodness

00:41:48.660 of God.

00:41:50.060 That's why this whole idea of understanding that we do serve a living and loving God is

00:41:56.620 so important.

00:41:57.380 I can empathize greatly with your friend.

00:42:00.960 I mean, the overwhelming challenges that she faces must feel like they're going to toss

00:42:06.260 her over the cliff, but it does no good for us to meditate on our misery.

00:42:11.880 It does no good.

00:42:13.740 It does us great good to meditate on the majesty of God because we contemplate him.

00:42:20.660 We're kind of like Peter.

00:42:21.880 Remember when he got out of the boat on the stormy sea and Jesus had walked on the water

00:42:27.200 and Peter said, Lord, if it's you, tell me and I'll come and walk.

00:42:30.660 And Jesus said, come, Peter got out of the boat and he took a few steps, but then the

00:42:37.080 scripture says he saw the wind and the waves and he began to sink.

00:42:41.700 But as long as our eyes are set upon him, and I know not all of our listeners today believe

00:42:56.280 in Jesus, understand that.

00:42:57.880 And I'm not trying to do any side door evangelism here, but I am saying, try, try to set your

00:43:07.260 mind on the idea of a God who loves you and knows you.

00:43:11.340 Just try that.

00:43:12.840 Talk to yourself.

00:43:14.060 Allow yourself to entertain the possibility that there's a good God.

00:43:18.700 Maybe you don't buy everything that preachers like me are always saying, I get it.

00:43:23.460 But would you please at least consider the possibility that there's a living and loving

00:43:28.300 God who has a great dream for your future and meditate on that possibility?

00:43:34.500 Because plan B stinks.

00:43:36.500 If you stare at the wind and the waves, if you stare at the mortgage and the misery, that's 0.99

00:43:42.100 just going to suck you under. 1.00

00:43:43.320 But if you'll open yourself up to the idea that there is a God who means you well and 0.99

00:43:49.320 that you will never outrun his, out send his grace or outlive his love, I think you'll

00:43:55.020 find that your heart and your mind begin to change.

00:44:01.540 It's hard.

00:44:04.740 It's hard, especially if you have, especially if you've been raised one way or another.

00:44:13.320 You know, I was raised Catholic and I didn't really believe in God.

00:44:17.420 I realized I was 28, 29, 30.

00:44:20.740 And I realized everything that I believed in God, I thought I had believed in God, but

00:44:25.140 everything that I believed God was, I had just taken from somebody else.

00:44:30.940 I'd just been told, you know what I mean?

00:44:32.620 And so none of it was personal.

00:44:35.340 And, uh, and I, I realized if God exists, he wants me to find him.

00:44:41.500 He wants me to find him.

00:44:42.300 In fact, everything in the universe would be pointing to him.

00:44:46.300 You know, I thought of a, I thought as a dad, if I had my children and I, for some reason,

00:44:52.380 needed them to be separate from me, but I wanted them to find me.

00:44:56.420 I wanted them to know that I would exist, but I needed them to be on their own.

00:45:01.180 I could make a round room that they were in where they didn't look like there were any

00:45:06.480 doors or windows or anything, but I would be on the other side and I would be wanting

00:45:12.500 them to find me.

00:45:13.540 And so everything in that room would point to me, everything would point to, yeah, there

00:45:19.500 is a dad on the other side.

00:45:20.980 All you have to do is X, Y, and Z and, and you can find him.

00:45:24.720 And so I, I took that and I dismissed coincidence.

00:45:29.160 And then you find yourself max in a place to where you will pile up all of these things,

00:45:35.300 but then you're faced with a choice.

00:45:37.760 I don't want to believe that.

00:45:39.680 I don't want to believe necessarily that's true.

00:45:41.840 Cause it will change the way it'll change my friends.

00:45:45.300 It'll change the way I behave.

00:45:47.040 And I like doing some of the stuff that I do.

00:45:49.200 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:45:49.620 You'll come up with all these kinds of really stupid reasons, but it again comes down to 1.00

00:45:56.700 a choice. 0.98

00:45:58.180 You can investigate and investigate and investigate and do nothing, or you can investigate and really

00:46:05.000 then make a pact with yourself before, no matter what I find.

00:46:10.580 I will pursue because I will find the truth.

00:46:15.860 I am designed to find the truth.

00:46:18.180 I have to do a lot of work.

00:46:19.320 I have to do a lot of meditating.

00:46:20.960 I got to do everything, but I am designed to find that truth.

00:46:25.340 But will you accept it in the end when you find it?

00:46:29.180 And I think that's another hard place for people to get by.

00:46:32.700 It really is.

00:46:34.020 We call that faith, you know, trusting that, that there is a father on the other side of

00:46:40.200 the walls.

00:46:40.880 And he has planted these signs in the universe calling upon us to look to him, that he is

00:46:50.360 up to something that's really good.

00:46:53.000 This is why the big question of life is, who is my authority?

00:46:59.160 Who is my authority?

00:47:00.820 You know, when I was a kid and then in middle school and then in high school and even in

00:47:06.500 college, I played catcher on the baseball team.

00:47:10.140 In college, it was a softball team.

00:47:11.820 I don't want to leave the wrong impression.

00:47:13.200 But the point is, I spent a lot of time squatting behind home plate.

00:47:18.920 And whether I was on the little league, pony league, high school team, or the college softball

00:47:24.020 intramural team, the width of the plate never changed.

00:47:28.060 Never changed.

00:47:29.300 The size of the players changed.

00:47:31.620 The type of ball we were playing changed.

00:47:33.940 But the 17 inch width of home plate never changed.

00:47:38.040 It was unchangeable.

00:47:40.120 It was immutable.

00:47:41.520 I believe the reason that many people struggle to maintain their thoughts is because they don't

00:47:47.220 have a home plate.

00:47:49.060 They don't have an unchangeable standard in their life.

00:47:55.160 Through scripture, God reveals himself as that authoritative voice.

00:47:59.780 He says, I'm not going to change.

00:48:01.720 I'm always going to love you.

00:48:03.600 I'm always going to care for you.

00:48:05.300 I'm always going to strengthen you.

00:48:07.240 I'm going to allow you to experience the consequences of your bad choices.

00:48:11.680 Well, these are truths.

00:48:12.940 These are like home plate.

00:48:14.600 And if you don't have that, if you feel that your truth is your truth, my truth is my truth,

00:48:19.820 nobody knows any truth, well, then you're left, you're like a weather vane whipped about

00:48:25.400 by the winds of fate and chance.

00:48:28.880 You're subject to the economy or to the most recent election or to your emotions or to your

00:48:37.100 shoulder pain or back pain.

00:48:39.460 Your truth changes all the time.

00:48:41.700 That's why I really believe that the secret sauce for managing our thoughts is a deep

00:48:48.160 faith in the God of the Bible, because whether I like the things he does or whether I don't

00:48:55.600 like the things he does, I must submit to him because he's in charge.

00:48:59.740 He's the authority.

00:49:00.780 And the truth is his authority says he's going to make everything work out in the right time

00:49:06.360 in the right way.

00:49:07.220 Why, Max, is it we know, I think we probably know less about space than we do know about

00:49:15.220 the character of God.

00:49:16.980 You know, there's dark matter.

00:49:18.920 We have no idea.

00:49:19.600 Most of the universe is made up of dark matter.

00:49:21.760 We have no idea what that is.

00:49:23.420 No idea what it is.

00:49:24.840 And yet we'll go out into space.

00:49:27.420 We'll take that leap of faith.

00:49:28.920 We'll open up the airlock door.

00:49:30.420 We'll dance around in it.

00:49:31.880 We'll do all of these different things that we've done in space.

00:49:34.280 And it's easy for us to, even though we know to a fraction of a percentage of what we need

00:49:42.760 to know about space, we go there and we can accept that, but we can't seem to open that

00:49:51.820 door on God so many times.

00:49:54.700 Yeah.

00:49:55.740 Why?

00:49:56.740 I think we're inherently self-centered, Glenn.

00:49:59.380 One, I think for me to acknowledge that God exists as the center of the universe is for me to confess

00:50:08.140 that I am not the center of the universe.

00:50:11.980 If I will refuse to bow before God, then truly that's an issue of arrogance.

00:50:19.140 And, uh, what's another word, uh, self-sufficiency, uh, that the person who says, I don't need God

00:50:28.320 is a person who truly is battling pride.

00:50:32.040 But for me to acknowledge that there is a God and it's not about me, but it's all about him.

00:50:38.420 And he is creating for himself a people with whom he'll live forever.

00:50:43.000 And, and, and if I am willing to humble myself before him, literally to get on my knees, to bow

00:50:51.400 my head, to open my hands, all these physical things we do as we worship, then that's the

00:50:57.460 healthiest thing, uh, I can do for myself.

00:51:00.960 The most unhealthy thing is for me to live the Frank Sinatra song and says, I did it my way.

00:51:07.180 You know, I may have screwed everything up, but I did it my way.

00:51:10.220 That, that, that's, that takes us down a path of destruction, but the path that takes,

00:51:15.980 takes us to health is that humility based worship.

00:51:21.720 I, I don't think there's any, well, there probably is, but just off the top of my head,

00:51:30.140 I don't think there's any other trait that is more important to man and his survival mentally

00:51:38.720 and physically than humility.

00:51:41.720 Hmm.

00:51:44.000 I agree.

00:51:46.040 You agree with that?

00:51:47.100 I agree a hundred percent, Glenn.

00:51:49.480 The Bible says that God hates arrogance.

00:51:52.440 He hates it.

00:51:53.520 He doesn't just dislike it, but he hates it.

00:51:56.280 Not, not because we don't have a right to feel proud about winning a football game or,

00:52:02.740 or, or, or, or, or building a house.

00:52:05.040 That's fine.

00:52:06.560 But it's that arrogance that says, I don't need God.

00:52:10.080 God hates that because that's what keeps us from him.

00:52:14.720 Whenever we have this sense that people exist to serve me rather than I exist to serve God,

00:52:21.280 we get things backwards.

00:52:22.460 It's also, it's, it's, uh, it's not just that I don't need God.

00:52:30.000 I don't need anybody else.

00:52:31.280 I'm smarter than you.

00:52:32.660 Yeah.

00:52:33.200 I have the answers.

00:52:34.480 I have it worked out.

00:52:35.480 And so you're cutting every other possibility out.

00:52:39.720 You're, you are the source of all that's right.

00:52:44.680 I think that's one of the problems that we have with our political system right now on both sides

00:52:49.020 is it is either my way or the highway.

00:52:51.700 My guy is 100% right.

00:52:54.640 And you are 100% wrong.

00:52:56.880 And if you don't agree with my guy, 100% of the time, then you are 100% wrong.

00:53:02.960 And we stop listening to each other.

00:53:06.460 And so there's no way to grow.

00:53:09.940 You know, the, the one thing that is so obvious to me on what's happening in our world is look

00:53:18.060 how different the Lord made all of us and how could somebody expect that we all would

00:53:23.960 come to an agreement on the political route?

00:53:28.940 You know what I mean?

00:53:30.240 On really, you know, you, you can have great dreams on how to build whatever a widget, but

00:53:36.360 when you get somebody else that is thinking along the same lines, has the same goal of

00:53:40.900 let's make somebody's life better.

00:53:43.600 And this could be the deal.

00:53:45.360 You put people like-minded together like that, that have wildly different concepts of how

00:53:50.340 to get there.

00:53:51.740 You learn from each other.

00:53:53.200 And then all of a sudden it locks in and, and you do something far greater than any of

00:54:00.460 you guys could have done.

00:54:01.440 And, and that's what, that's what arrogance stops.

00:54:05.620 Arrogance stops the, he put us together for a reason.

00:54:10.320 We're all different for a reason.

00:54:12.440 My wife is very different than me, but she has made me a better man.

00:54:19.480 You're far more politically savvy than I am, Glenn.

00:54:22.900 So I'm going to be careful and not step out of my lane.

00:54:26.320 No, I've read stories.

00:54:28.380 I've read stories.

00:54:29.740 It may be nostalgic as we always get, but of how Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill would

00:54:36.520 meet and they would literally share and swap ideas.

00:54:41.000 And they both became better political leaders as a result of that.

00:54:46.900 Am I misremembering?

00:54:49.620 No, you're not.

00:54:51.180 But, but, but, but here's the thing on that.

00:54:53.860 And, you know, at that time we agreed on universal principles.

00:55:01.960 And so I have, we didn't agree on policies, but we agreed on the big things.

00:55:07.900 All men are created equal and doubt by their creative with a certain inalienable rights, 1.00

00:55:10.960 life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

00:55:11.960 We, we agreed on the bill of rights.

00:55:15.520 And so we could make policies and disagree on policies, but we knew in the end, we both

00:55:21.340 were trying to enhance that idea.

00:55:25.680 And so there are times when I know I can sit with anyone on a different political view.

00:55:31.600 If they agree with the bill of rights, do you agree that all men are created equal?

00:55:37.380 That there isn't a Lord that just should Lord their viewpoints and tell us exactly what to

00:55:42.780 do.

00:55:43.460 And we all have to do it.

00:55:44.720 We all have to think alike.

00:55:46.740 If, if you believe in the bill of rights, we can come there.

00:55:50.560 But if, you know, it's, can a pastor of a Christian church, uh, and a, uh, and a, and a Jewish

00:56:00.140 rabbi get together and do great things?

00:56:02.360 Yes, because their principles are the same.

00:56:05.560 Can I do that with an atheist or worse yet, a guy who is, uh, uh, you know, believes that 0.97

00:56:12.700 Satan is the answer.

00:56:14.640 No, I can't, I can't compromise.

00:56:16.780 I can't, I can't come, I can't sit in a room and work together on anything because we're

00:56:22.580 the exact opposite in our core.

00:56:26.920 Does that make sense?

00:56:28.220 I a hundred percent.

00:56:29.660 Our world.

00:56:30.480 So how do we get diametrically opposed that they can't come together?

00:56:34.900 Yeah.

00:56:35.160 And it's not that our, our policies, but it is our principles, the things that actually

00:56:41.920 nobody ever talks about principles anymore.

00:56:44.120 They're talking about policies.

00:56:45.500 They're talking about whatever they're talking about.

00:56:47.020 You know, your truth is everybody's truth.

00:56:48.980 And you just have to get along with that.

00:56:50.240 Well, I can't, I can't, because if you don't agree on scientific proof, if you don't believe,

00:56:58.360 uh, that there is an eternal system, I don't know what it is.

00:57:04.120 I can't tell you what God looks like.

00:57:05.600 I can't tell you what faith he's telling us all to go into, but I can, I can show you evidence

00:57:10.820 that it looks like at this point, it's this direction.

00:57:14.140 Now I can get onto the other side and he could, you know, he could surprise all of us and go,

00:57:18.360 yeah, that's not me, but it made us a better person.

00:57:22.200 And we were headed toward, we were on the road of right.

00:57:26.580 Just, I don't know how far down that road we are.

00:57:29.180 You know what I mean?

00:57:30.260 Yeah.

00:57:30.660 But how do we, how do we have these conversations?

00:57:34.680 How do we get back to that Tip O'Neill with people who don't believe in those, in those

00:57:41.780 basic principles?

00:57:43.560 How could a political activists, in other words, glean from someone who has a different 0.68

00:57:57.020 policy than they do, uh, so that together they are better.

00:58:04.020 Uh, that can happen.

00:58:05.960 So, uh, policies, that can happen.

00:58:08.620 I think it happens when it matters more that the country is strengthened than my party is

00:58:17.360 victorious.

00:58:18.800 Correct.

00:58:20.000 Correct.

00:58:20.820 I, and that's, that's a lost art, but the question is those who do not believe that America

00:58:27.220 is good should be strengthened.

00:58:28.940 But to restart, how do you, how do you find yourself?

00:58:33.380 We're so far off the beaten path here.

00:58:35.220 I'd like to go back to God, but how do you, how do you get back to that?

00:58:39.340 How do you get back to that person?

00:58:40.920 How, how would you do it?

00:58:44.120 If I said to you, Hey, there's this guy over here, uh, who believes Satan is the answer.

00:58:50.820 You would most likely say, I'll pray for him, but I, I, I'm not going to spend any time

00:58:55.940 with him.

00:58:56.460 What would you say?

00:58:57.600 Uh, I would like to think Glenn that I would say.

00:59:03.380 Let me take him out for a cup of coffee.

00:59:06.100 And, and during that conversation, I would, I would do my best to listen to him asking

00:59:15.920 questions like this.

00:59:17.580 How did you come to believe the way you believe?

00:59:21.680 How did you end up here?

00:59:23.600 Well, you're right.

00:59:24.380 And, and I would respect, I would at least try, Glenn, I'm not saying I would do it, but

00:59:28.880 at least in this conversation, you and I, as I'm envisioning my ideal response, I think

00:59:34.920 I would say, how, how did you come to believe what you believe and, and honestly listen to

00:59:42.860 him and do my best to at least respect him.

00:59:46.460 If there's any chance of dialogue, it has to, it has to have one person saying, tell me why

00:59:57.240 you think the way you think I had that's, that's humility, isn't it?

01:00:04.200 That's humility.

01:00:05.240 Yeah.

01:00:06.060 Yeah.

01:00:07.040 I had a great friend back in the nineties.

01:00:09.380 He's, he's, he's passed on into heaven now, an African-American pastor.

01:00:14.580 And, and he said, Max, the best way that racial division can be overcome is with this question.

01:00:24.340 And that question is help me understand, help me understand what it's like to be you help

01:00:33.000 me understand.

01:00:34.020 And he said, Max, if, if you would ask me an African-American, help me understand what

01:00:40.600 it's like to be African-American in this day and age.

01:00:44.040 And if I would ask you, Max, help me understand what it's like to, you know, be a white guy

01:00:50.840 in Texas in the 1990s.

01:00:53.500 I think we could have a dialogue upon which we could build a good friendship.

01:00:58.480 I agree.

01:00:59.120 That may be oversimplifying things, but I think it's, it would go a long way toward helping

01:01:05.800 us have dialogue with one another.

01:01:09.040 Let me go back to the idea of the book and our words and the power of our own words and

01:01:13.720 changing our thoughts.

01:01:15.860 I know a lot of, I know a lot of preachers really don't like the, I think they're called

01:01:21.400 prosperity preachers, you know, where they're, yeah.

01:01:25.100 And, uh, I look at those guys kind of as a gateway drug in a way that they stop just

01:01:33.060 there, but it, isn't it the same rule?

01:01:36.940 Aren't they applying the same rules that you're talking about?

01:01:40.360 They're just not going any deeper than that.

01:01:43.200 Yeah.

01:01:43.760 I mean, prosperity gospel or prosperity preachers is kind of a big term that refers to a person,

01:01:51.100 uh, uh, allegedly who says God exists to give you whatever you want.

01:02:00.260 Uh, and primarily financially financially.

01:02:04.720 Uh, I do believe that God will bless us.

01:02:07.940 I do believe he wants us to prosper.

01:02:10.560 It's just that sometimes prosper could be in terms of a paycheck.

01:02:14.880 It could also be in terms of patience.

01:02:17.600 It could be in terms of a better living situation could be in terms of a better relationship with

01:02:24.040 my spouse, but he does want us to prosper.

01:02:27.540 And it's okay for me to say, Lord, I'm, I'm financially stuck.

01:02:31.480 Would you help me?

01:02:32.700 Because he does love us, but his blessings may come in another way.

01:02:37.940 Um, so it's really, uh, the problem is, is expecting the outcome you desire.

01:02:45.280 That's it.

01:02:46.400 That's it.

01:02:47.380 Okay.

01:02:48.260 Bingo.

01:02:49.000 Which gets us back to that question of, are we here to make a big deal out of God or does

01:02:55.020 God exist to make a big deal out of max?

01:02:57.520 And if I think God exists to make a big deal out of me, then I'm going to be off balance.

01:03:02.740 I'm going to be out of kilter.

01:03:04.120 You know, we don't have the, well, the phonograph records are coming back, aren't they?

01:03:09.120 I, I, I see them every so often, but I grew up, you know, in the sixties and seventies.

01:03:15.100 We, that's all we had.

01:03:16.420 One time I bought a big album and a record and they've somehow the hole didn't get punched.

01:03:22.560 So I went and got my dad's drill and I tried to think where the hole would be.

01:03:27.860 Of course I had no way of knowing.

01:03:30.040 And I put the album, I put the record on the turntable and it was, wow, it didn't work

01:03:38.200 because I was off center.

01:03:39.920 And, and the reason we make, we have to continually say, I'm here to make a big deal out of God

01:03:46.500 is that's a centered life.

01:03:49.280 If I think God exists to make a big deal out of me, things are going to get all belong and

01:03:54.380 distorted.

01:03:55.820 And so that's why we have to keep coming back to that big idea that God has created a people

01:04:01.880 for himself.

01:04:03.140 He's giving us a choice and I exist to, uh, billboard, to advertise, to reflect his goodness.

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01:05:29.820 I remember one time Tanya and I, my wife, we prayed and prayed and prayed about some business

01:05:36.240 deal and we were very clear.

01:05:38.080 That's what God wants us to do.

01:05:39.860 And, uh, and we get into it and it's not working, not working.

01:05:43.520 And we are praying every day.

01:05:45.040 What are we doing wrong, Lord?

01:05:46.060 And just, you know, and, uh, I said to her at one point, I said, maybe, maybe we were wrong.

01:05:53.300 And she's like, do not doubt what you know to be true.

01:05:57.720 You know, God said this.

01:06:00.220 Maybe we should begin to wonder, does he really, was that the outcome?

01:06:06.100 Was our image of, Hey, it's going to be a success.

01:06:09.300 Is that what he was planning?

01:06:11.500 Or was he just saying, it's going to get you right to the place where you're supposed to

01:06:15.980 be?

01:06:16.840 He doesn't care about our success or failure in that way because he knows he's built us

01:06:21.560 to endure whatever it is.

01:06:24.260 I said, I don't like that answer.

01:06:27.480 It's right.

01:06:28.960 It's right.

01:06:30.480 Don't you hate it when your wife does that kind of stuff? 1.00

01:06:34.460 All the time.

01:06:35.960 I was belly aching one time about deadlines and people who didn't believe, who didn't

01:06:43.340 take my advice.

01:06:44.620 I just had a long litany of things.

01:06:46.980 And, and finally, my wife said, Max, is God in the middle of this anywhere?

01:06:53.260 Wow.

01:06:54.100 I said, honey.

01:06:55.000 Wow.

01:06:55.340 Only your wife. 0.97

01:06:56.180 Don't say that to me.

01:06:58.240 I know.

01:06:58.680 I know.

01:06:59.360 It's so great.

01:07:00.000 Um, you know, you were saying something earlier about how our, our thoughts, we have to control

01:07:06.320 our thoughts.

01:07:07.220 And the first thing that came to mind was I get up in the morning and I get up very early

01:07:12.980 and I'm, I go right to the show prep.

01:07:15.960 My producers have worked all overnight and they send me all these stories.

01:07:20.220 And the first thing I do is I go online and I'm reading those stories.

01:07:24.560 And I know at times, if I'm not reading those stories, I get up and the first thing I do

01:07:30.640 is I go to Twitter or whatever.

01:07:33.720 Somebody said to me recently, Glenn, you are, before you even allow you to have your own

01:07:45.220 thought on what today is, what's your, you have in front of you, decide who you are, decide

01:07:50.420 how you feel, you are putting all of these thoughts into your head.

01:07:55.560 And do you ever come back to it?

01:07:57.240 Do you ever come back and do a reset?

01:07:59.300 And can you do a reset?

01:08:01.660 I mean, I think we're living in a time now more than ever.

01:08:05.480 That first thought has to be scripture and prayer is more important than I think ever before.

01:08:13.000 Because you said 70,000 thoughts.

01:08:16.220 Imagine just scrolling how many more we're having than we've ever had as a people.

01:08:23.560 Absolutely.

01:08:24.540 And they're coming at us from all angles.

01:08:27.180 I know a fellow who went through a terrible tragedy.

01:08:31.920 He had a son die in a four-wheeling accident.

01:08:37.280 And this son had, I can't remember, three or four siblings.

01:08:41.940 And the father had to call them one by one and tell them that their sibling had died.

01:08:48.900 And he said, when they answered the phone, I said, I'm about to give you some of the worst

01:08:56.340 news you're ever going to hear.

01:08:57.900 But before I share it, would you think of five things you know about God to be true?

01:09:04.020 I thought that was so interesting.

01:09:07.060 He said, before I share it, would you think about five things you know of God to be true?

01:09:11.940 And he said, like, God is love.

01:09:14.320 God is.

01:09:16.040 God cares.

01:09:17.160 God is coming for us.

01:09:18.940 God is involved in the world.

01:09:20.680 And he would help the child.

01:09:22.700 And we're not talking about five-year-olds.

01:09:24.780 We're talking about teenagers and 20s.

01:09:28.460 And then he said, once they had, what's a good word, kind of marinated their mind in

01:09:34.880 those truths, he said, now let me tell you some really horrible news.

01:09:40.820 I've never forgotten that because we tend to do the same.

01:09:44.500 Maybe the best thing we could do when we wake up in the morning, even if we only have three

01:09:50.440 minutes, right, before we have to jump into the assignment of the day, maybe the best thing

01:09:55.600 we could do is say, okay, here's what I know to be true about God and just reflect, meditate

01:10:01.600 on that just a bit and then step into the day.

01:10:07.220 It's what he's done is he's, he's put a frame around the picture he's going to show you.

01:10:15.740 Yeah.

01:10:16.640 You know what I mean?

01:10:17.260 He's, he's asked you to build a wall.

01:10:19.880 That picture cannot get bigger than it is.

01:10:23.140 So you're containing that news by that frame.

01:10:27.540 God loves me.

01:10:28.800 So you're not hearing it and spiraling out because what he just asked you to do was build

01:10:34.940 that frame around it to hold all of those thoughts that could go way off the road, hold it into

01:10:42.900 place.

01:10:43.460 I think that's brilliant.

01:10:45.240 Yeah.

01:10:45.740 Yeah.

01:10:46.600 Brilliant.

01:10:46.900 You know, this, this, uh, this idea of choosing what our authority is in life, that's just so

01:10:54.700 essential.

01:10:55.240 Right.

01:10:56.200 And again, if I, if I am subjecting myself to an authority, that's my drinking buddy or my

01:11:02.640 football buddy or the lady, uh, I play bridge with, they don't know any more than I do.

01:11:08.000 I need an authority who, who is high above who, who has been here.

01:11:14.360 Again, this is why we treasure the teachings of Jesus because by faith, I believe he is,

01:11:21.660 he was God on earth and that he came with absolute authority to speak into my life.

01:11:28.500 He is that home plate that allows me to make decisions, even when the circumstances of life,

01:11:35.760 or especially when the circumstances of life are so difficult, I have to choose to believe,

01:11:42.880 uh, who I'm going to trust.

01:11:47.280 It takes me back to the beginning and Max, it takes me back to a horrible thought about

01:11:51.360 me.

01:11:51.640 Boy, I am just a dim bulb, uh, because it's taken an hour for me to realize when you first

01:11:58.020 said, you know, we look for a voice of authority, um, and authority can change us good or ill.

01:12:05.740 Now, as you're saying that, I realize the only authority that we should be looking for is God.

01:12:14.400 The only authority that can, that truly can change us should be that voice.

01:12:20.780 Absolutely.

01:12:22.200 It's not uncommon.

01:12:23.280 And you did all that only in an hour.

01:12:24.580 But, you know, people, people turn away from God because pastors get immoral or involved in

01:12:33.140 scandals.

01:12:34.060 I see that quite often and I have to, I try to remind them.

01:12:38.720 I don't know if I succeed, but I try to remind them that the only authority is the pastor of that

01:12:45.420 pastor, the good shepherd, our almighty God, our loving savior, Jesus. 0.55

01:12:50.460 And yes, that pastor screwed up.

01:12:53.440 And I know you're brokenhearted and disappointed, but don't let the misdeeds of that person turn

01:13:01.160 you away from the great deed of our God who came and lived on the earth and died for our

01:13:07.160 sins and rose from the dead.

01:13:08.860 Don't, don't make that mistake.

01:13:10.660 So we do have to be careful what authorities we choose to speak into our lives.

01:13:16.200 And can, can, can I ask you to expand on that just a little bit?

01:13:21.200 Um, because I have found God uses really flawed men, um, sometimes for his toughest assignments.

01:13:30.680 And, and I think that's because the really good men have too much to lose.

01:13:35.860 Uh, you know, they're worried about, well, I'm at my church and I got this, or I've got

01:13:39.500 my business that I have to worry, whatever it is.

01:13:41.600 And so they come up with an excuse of, well, I can't do that because I can't risk it.

01:13:45.740 And so God just goes down a list of, okay, well, he won't.

01:13:49.180 Okay.

01:13:49.500 I asked him, I asked him, I asked him, okay, I guess it's your turn.

01:13:52.100 And so you get these really flawed men and, um, we begin to, we, we can tell, I think when

01:14:01.740 someone has an anointing on them.

01:14:07.580 For instance, let me say something controversial to the world, but not necessarily to conservatives.

01:14:13.140 Donald Trump, I absolutely believe is being used by God, but that doesn't make him the

01:14:19.600 authority.

01:14:21.120 It makes, he is still the man and can make gross, horrible mistakes, but he, he will have flashes

01:14:32.320 and he could have the whole thing could be great, but yeah, he's not God.

01:14:37.800 He's, he is the first guy that God asked that stepped to the plate that could actually do

01:14:44.580 it and would do it, would get back up after he was shot in the head.

01:14:48.740 You know what I mean?

01:14:49.960 Yeah.

01:14:50.780 I hear you.

01:14:51.760 The story that comes to my mind is the story of King David.

01:14:55.700 The kid was a shepherd.

01:14:57.320 He was the youngest of eight sons.

01:14:59.300 He was out in the field when, uh, Samuel came to anoint the next King, uh, Jesse didn't

01:15:06.480 even bring him in out of this field.

01:15:08.600 I mean, he was such the runt of the family.

01:15:12.200 Uh, and yet Samuel anointed him.

01:15:15.360 And then when it came time for, uh, David to carry food to his brothers in the Valley

01:15:21.500 of Elah and Goliath was there.

01:15:23.400 Nobody else would go up against Elijah, uh, Goliath.

01:15:26.680 But David said, I'll do it.

01:15:28.960 I'll do it.

01:15:29.860 And so David was that guy who was the last one you would expect.

01:15:35.360 And as long as he kept that mindset, Glenn, he did great.

01:15:40.220 Israel was blessed.

01:15:41.980 Their land grew the temple.

01:15:44.340 I'm not the temple hadn't been constructed, but the, but the, the faith of the people was

01:15:49.300 blessed and their coffers, uh, became full of gold.

01:15:53.640 But remember the sin with Bathsheba when he was up on the balcony, looking out over the

01:16:00.220 city and he should have been out to battle with his soldiers, but he wasn't.

01:16:06.020 And you see a different David.

01:16:07.940 And it seems to me that that David was pretty proud of himself.

01:16:12.720 And when he was proud of himself, uh, he fell into temptation.

01:16:17.720 When he was humble before God, he could fight Goliath.

01:16:22.000 And so the anointing was on, on David to do great things.

01:16:27.500 But when David was more impressed with himself than he was with God, then he did very few

01:16:32.980 things and did bad things.

01:16:35.120 In fact, very bad, very bad, Max.

01:16:39.520 I just, you're such a blessing to me, my family and, uh, and to everyone who has ever

01:16:45.360 run across your path.

01:16:46.740 I thank you.

01:16:47.400 Well, I am, I am super honored to have a conversation with you, Glenn.

01:16:51.860 Uh, I love you.

01:16:53.660 I pray God's richest blessings upon you.

01:16:56.360 Uh, I, I always want to remind everybody I'm a converted drunk.

01:17:00.620 Uh, the Lord had mercy on me and, uh, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said,

01:17:05.120 I celebrated, uh, leaving alcohol behind and pursuing Christ this last spring, Glenn, by

01:17:11.440 getting a tattoo, uh, 50 years ago.

01:17:14.600 I saw that.

01:17:14.840 I was going to say, you, he, what does it say?

01:17:17.860 No, it says to tell us die, which is the Greek word for it is finished.

01:17:23.280 What Christ said, uh, before he gave up his spirit, when he hung on the cross, it literally

01:17:29.260 means it is paid.

01:17:30.760 It is paid.

01:17:32.020 And when I was 20 years old, I was such a mess.

01:17:34.780 I didn't think God could forgive me.

01:17:36.680 And I heard a sermon on grace that Christ paid for my sins and that changed my life.

01:17:42.440 And so I commemorated the 50 year, the golden anniversary of grace by getting a tattoo.

01:17:48.960 The tattoo artist said, you're the first 70 year old pastor I've ever tattooed.

01:17:55.480 I said, I'll probably be the last.

01:17:57.400 And I don't intend to get another one.

01:18:01.280 God bless you.

01:18:02.420 Thank you so much.

01:18:03.300 God bless.

01:18:03.500 God bless.

01:18:04.040 Thank you, Glenn.

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01:18:38.180 So many conferences focus on women's emotions and focus on our self-esteem.

01:18:43.140 I just wanted to focus on the Bible.

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01:18:51.360 Thank you, God bless.

01:18:51.740 Amen.

01:18:52.340 Amen.

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01:18:53.740 Amen.

01:18:54.380 Slightboo, God bless. 1.00

01:18:56.240 Amen.

01:18:56.960 Amen.

01:18:58.720 I love you.

01:18:59.500 Amen.

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01:19:13.140 I love you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 13, 2025

Ep 266 ｜ Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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