The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 268 ｜ If Americans Seem Crazy, Here’s Why ｜ Jonathan Haidt ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:08.740 There may be only one cause that can bring the left and right together again,

00:01:12.960 and that is protecting our kids.

00:01:15.420 My next guest has been calling out social media companies

00:01:18.260 for damaging our children on, quote, an industrial scale.

00:01:22.840 I want you to listen to this podcast before you let your 10-year-old download Instagram

00:01:27.260 or, you know, God forbid, get them an AI-powered stuffed teddy bear for Christmas.

00:01:33.920 And yes, those animals are coming.

00:01:36.020 It's a real thing.

00:01:37.400 When Americans disagree about absolutely everything,

00:01:41.720 let's agree on this. 0.97

00:01:43.080 No, your sex robot doesn't have any rights.

00:01:48.580 AI is not real.

00:01:50.500 No, your 10-year-olds are not going to literally die without TikTok either.

00:01:55.680 But don't take it from me.

00:01:57.500 Take it from my next guest.

00:01:59.120 My guest on today's show, the man behind The Anxious Generation,

00:02:02.640 an absolute must-read,

00:02:04.600 The Anxious Generation, How the Great Rewiring of Childhood 1.00

00:02:08.200 is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness.

00:02:11.060 He's a social psychologist and a best-selling author.

00:02:14.960 His name, Jonathan Haidt.

00:02:30.260 Jonathan, welcome to the podcast.

00:02:31.760 You are a guy who I've been following for a long time

00:02:37.760 that I think probably has diagnosed the problem better than anybody else.

00:02:46.740 With everything that has been happening in the last couple of weeks

00:02:49.680 and this weekend,

00:02:51.660 I think there's a lot of people that are feeling like,

00:02:55.140 no way out, no way out.

00:02:58.300 Is there a way out of this?

00:03:00.280 And how do we do it?

00:03:02.320 Oh boy.

00:03:03.320 That, yeah, that is a hard question.

00:03:06.360 Now, is there a way out?

00:03:10.380 That is actually unknown.

00:03:12.960 I can't sit here and tell you that if we do X, Y, and Z,

00:03:15.940 we will escape from this.

00:03:18.340 My original research,

00:03:19.620 before I started working on what phones are doing to kids,

00:03:22.300 was on polarization, political polarization,

00:03:25.280 and what's causing it, what's driving it,

00:03:26.840 what's accelerating it.

00:03:28.680 And there are a lot of factors,

00:03:30.140 especially the rise of social media.

00:03:32.600 Many, many factors are causing us to hate each other more.

00:03:36.100 And when we hate each other more,

00:03:37.520 we're willing to break the law for our side

00:03:40.160 because things are so urgent.

00:03:42.660 We're willing to tolerate someone on our side

00:03:44.580 bending norms or breaking norms.

00:03:46.440 And that's where we are now.

00:03:47.360 Now, both sides are more willing to use undemocratic

00:03:50.840 or even illegal means to get their way.

00:03:53.380 So this is a very dangerous time.

00:03:54.980 I'd say more dangerous than anything since the Civil War.

00:03:57.080 I would agree with that.

00:04:01.420 When you say both sides are willing to break the law or whatever,

00:04:06.440 I know you are so fair and you look to be super fair.

00:04:13.600 And so I'm asking this question for my bias to check me.

00:04:17.140 But it seems, Antifa, the really nasty, nasty stuff

00:04:25.120 that is tearing our streets apart, burning down our cities,

00:04:28.760 and now shooting people when it comes to political,

00:04:33.040 when it comes to crazy, I think we all have a share in that.

00:04:36.180 But when it comes to political, it does seem to be on the left.

00:04:40.080 Is that just my bias?

00:04:41.520 So it swings back and forth.

00:04:45.500 And a fundamental rule is that we see what we want to see.

00:04:50.860 We don't pay attention to things.

00:04:52.100 We don't want to see our media environment

00:04:54.380 sends us things that support our views.

00:04:56.280 So the data that I know of,

00:04:59.060 there are many people who have been tracking political violence

00:05:00.860 for a long time.

00:05:02.360 And there were two periods where left-wing violence

00:05:05.040 was more common than right.

00:05:06.780 And those are 1968 to 73,

00:05:09.940 that really radical revolutionary period,

00:05:11.940 weather underground,

00:05:13.100 hundreds and hundreds of bombings.

00:05:14.920 I mean, that was a terrible, terrible period.

00:05:17.100 And that was driven by the left.

00:05:19.460 And I just saw,

00:05:20.420 there was just an article in The Atlantic a couple of days ago

00:05:22.680 saying a recent study shows that in the last year or two,

00:05:26.360 I can't remember what period of time,

00:05:28.500 in the last two years,

00:05:29.720 political violence is coming more from the left,

00:05:31.780 from the right.

00:05:33.140 Other than that,

00:05:34.060 it has been more from the right than the left.

00:05:35.820 Now, there are all kinds of fights about what do you include?

00:05:38.040 And so I don't know,

00:05:38.580 I'm not an expert on all of that.

00:05:39.940 I'm just saying,

00:05:41.200 you know,

00:05:41.480 since Charlie Kirk's horrific assassination,

00:05:45.320 what you see on the left

00:05:46.620 is people will always list

00:05:48.540 the assassinations on both sides

00:05:51.000 to say,

00:05:51.340 see, it's not just us,

00:05:52.120 it's not just us.

00:05:53.080 And they'll point to,

00:05:53.840 everyone points to the murder

00:05:55.000 of the two Minnesota lawmakers.

00:05:58.140 But people on the right

00:05:59.220 tend to go down the list

00:06:00.320 from Steve Scalise's shooting

00:06:01.740 all the way through Charlie Kirk's.

00:06:03.220 So this is something,

00:06:05.700 in a culture war,

00:06:06.780 for every action,

00:06:07.700 there is a disproportionate

00:06:09.500 and opposite reaction.

00:06:11.520 And the extremists on both sides

00:06:13.620 are violent.

00:06:14.760 Right now,

00:06:15.080 the left is,

00:06:15.720 right now,

00:06:16.240 the left is more.

00:06:16.840 That's true.

00:06:18.160 Is there enough

00:06:19.380 of the middle

00:06:21.380 left

00:06:22.680 to

00:06:23.280 hold

00:06:24.980 things in place?

00:06:26.340 That's the question

00:06:29.020 of the hour

00:06:29.760 of the year

00:06:30.300 of the decade.

00:06:31.780 It used to be

00:06:33.100 that what the majority thought

00:06:34.840 mattered at least a little.

00:06:36.760 You know,

00:06:36.880 what the powerful think

00:06:37.820 always matters more.

00:06:39.700 What the wealthy think,

00:06:40.880 you know,

00:06:41.060 they get their way more

00:06:41.860 with legislation.

00:06:43.020 But it used to matter

00:06:44.540 to some degree

00:06:45.220 what the public thinks.

00:06:46.420 Now,

00:06:46.940 in our new media environment,

00:06:48.620 that only matters

00:06:49.320 on election day.

00:06:50.560 What most people think

00:06:51.300 only matters on election day.

00:06:53.080 Other than that,

00:06:54.080 the world we live in

00:06:55.380 is one influenced

00:06:56.520 by what's coming at us

00:06:57.760 through social media.

00:06:59.200 Even cable TV

00:07:00.300 tends to have

00:07:01.920 a lot of stories

00:07:02.720 about something

00:07:03.320 that happened on Twitter.

00:07:05.320 So,

00:07:05.920 I think that's one

00:07:07.420 of the changes

00:07:07.800 I'm tracking

00:07:08.380 as to why things

00:07:09.060 are getting so much worse

00:07:10.200 since I started studying

00:07:11.100 this around 2006.

00:07:12.640 Things are getting

00:07:13.020 so much worse

00:07:13.940 because we've moved

00:07:15.360 from broadcast television

00:07:17.480 long ago

00:07:18.040 to cable TV,

00:07:19.240 which is sort of more,

00:07:19.840 you know,

00:07:20.140 more focused

00:07:20.720 or narrower casting,

00:07:23.200 to social media,

00:07:23.980 which is microcasting.

00:07:25.600 And so,

00:07:26.100 this media environment,

00:07:27.020 I think it's very hard

00:07:28.100 to have a decent,

00:07:30.580 good,

00:07:30.800 democratic discussion

00:07:31.740 in that environment.

00:07:38.080 I know you,

00:07:39.520 you know,

00:07:40.500 are aware of me.

00:07:43.040 And,

00:07:43.640 Jonathan,

00:07:44.480 I am,

00:07:46.980 I mean,

00:07:48.260 I find myself

00:07:50.880 in a position

00:07:51.800 that I don't think

00:07:53.560 a lot of people

00:07:54.280 have been in

00:07:55.040 historically speaking

00:07:56.380 to have the reach

00:07:59.160 that I have,

00:08:00.000 to have the voice

00:08:01.600 that I have,

00:08:02.160 to have made

00:08:03.520 my own mistakes.

00:08:07.100 And,

00:08:07.760 and when I say reach,

00:08:09.680 it's reach on one side

00:08:11.580 because we're so polarized.

00:08:12.740 And I feel

00:08:14.860 a tremendous

00:08:16.380 responsibility

00:08:17.620 to

00:08:19.460 not just

00:08:21.480 do no harm,

00:08:22.420 but try

00:08:23.380 to do good.

00:08:25.240 And,

00:08:25.720 I mean,

00:08:26.200 this is,

00:08:26.620 this is probably

00:08:27.360 a conversation

00:08:28.040 we should have

00:08:28.500 just had off the air

00:08:29.380 because this is so,

00:08:30.700 for me,

00:08:31.760 but

00:08:31.860 what

00:08:33.460 can be done?

00:08:35.960 What,

00:08:36.160 what,

00:08:36.420 what advice

00:08:37.860 would you give me

00:08:38.800 or anybody like me?

00:08:40.180 Because we're,

00:08:41.400 you know,

00:08:41.600 in the old days,

00:08:42.360 I had an audience.

00:08:43.920 Now my audience

00:08:44.540 has an audience.

00:08:45.720 So I guess it is

00:08:46.520 for everybody.

00:08:47.680 Right.

00:08:48.200 What can be done?

00:08:49.800 Oh,

00:08:50.240 Glenn,

00:08:50.520 I love this.

00:08:51.160 I love this question.

00:08:53.000 So let me,

00:08:53.700 let me start

00:08:53.980 at the beginning here.

00:08:54.780 You know,

00:08:54.900 I first became aware

00:08:55.820 of you,

00:08:56.700 you know,

00:08:57.180 when you had

00:08:57.560 the Glenn Beck show

00:08:58.940 and like,

00:08:59.660 what was it?

00:09:00.040 When did you start?

00:09:00.800 2004 or five?

00:09:01.720 That's when I was

00:09:02.280 being and paying

00:09:02.860 attention to you.

00:09:03.860 And back then

00:09:04.800 I was very much

00:09:05.580 on the left.

00:09:06.260 I was a Democrat.

00:09:07.560 I was studying

00:09:08.220 moral psychology.

00:09:09.020 I was,

00:09:10.320 I was trying

00:09:11.860 to explain to the left

00:09:13.000 what they're missing.

00:09:14.100 And my first essay

00:09:14.840 on this was called

00:09:15.420 What Makes People

00:09:16.240 Vote Republican?

00:09:17.100 And it was,

00:09:17.800 it was really meant

00:09:18.760 not as a criticism.

00:09:19.640 Republican was like,

00:09:20.580 look,

00:09:20.820 people on the left,

00:09:21.380 you have,

00:09:21.780 you do not understand.

00:09:22.860 You have no idea

00:09:23.740 of the moral foundations

00:09:24.640 of the right,

00:09:25.600 which I think

00:09:26.020 are very,

00:09:26.340 are very respectable.

00:09:27.660 But I saw you

00:09:28.640 back then

00:09:29.860 as a,

00:09:30.180 as a polarizing figure.

00:09:31.200 And that's what

00:09:31.580 the media market was.

00:09:32.760 That's what the media

00:09:33.440 landscape was.

00:09:35.080 But as I listened

00:09:36.080 to you,

00:09:37.000 I learned a lot.

00:09:38.500 Like,

00:09:39.080 that really helped

00:09:40.000 me understand.

00:09:40.600 I remember something,

00:09:41.180 I'll never forget this.

00:09:42.000 You said something about,

00:09:42.860 there's some like

00:09:43.360 environmental program

00:09:44.540 and you were saying

00:09:45.480 it's not about

00:09:46.100 the environment,

00:09:46.680 it's about control.

00:09:48.560 That always stuck with me

00:09:49.740 and that was a very

00:09:50.440 helpful insight

00:09:51.100 and I got a lot

00:09:51.640 of that from you.

00:09:52.180 So,

00:09:52.860 what I'm saying is,

00:09:53.680 I think,

00:09:54.080 of course,

00:09:54.500 you used to be

00:09:55.360 one of the forces

00:09:56.260 that was increasing

00:09:57.540 polarization

00:09:58.120 as many people

00:09:59.660 on the left were.

00:10:01.000 And,

00:10:01.520 what I remember,

00:10:03.060 you know,

00:10:03.280 I know you're,

00:10:03.720 you're a really

00:10:04.140 complicated guy

00:10:04.980 and you've,

00:10:05.460 you've gone through

00:10:06.040 all kinds of growth

00:10:07.040 and I remember

00:10:07.800 an essay you wrote

00:10:08.440 in the New York Times

00:10:09.160 in which you,

00:10:09.840 you seem to be saying

00:10:10.720 that you,

00:10:11.320 you regret having been

00:10:12.800 such a force

00:10:13.700 or is that,

00:10:14.440 is that correct?

00:10:14.920 Is that a fair statement

00:10:15.660 that you've?

00:10:16.340 Yeah,

00:10:16.680 and I,

00:10:17.320 I mean,

00:10:17.660 I did the best I could

00:10:19.300 with the knowledge

00:10:20.060 that I had at the time,

00:10:21.160 but in retrospect,

00:10:22.440 I'd do it completely

00:10:23.760 different if I could.

00:10:25.640 Yeah.

00:10:26.260 You know?

00:10:26.560 Okay,

00:10:26.940 good.

00:10:27.260 So just,

00:10:27.860 okay,

00:10:28.100 so just so,

00:10:28.740 so I'm,

00:10:29.120 I'm up on,

00:10:30.000 on where you are.

00:10:32.040 I'll share some thoughts

00:10:33.060 about how you might be

00:10:34.780 an even better part

00:10:35.780 of the solution

00:10:36.460 and that is

00:10:38.740 what,

00:10:40.680 so as I said,

00:10:41.560 I used to be on the left,

00:10:42.780 but I came to understand

00:10:44.140 conservatives

00:10:44.580 by listening to them

00:10:45.800 and by,

00:10:47.140 you know,

00:10:47.980 reading the best writings

00:10:49.180 and listening

00:10:50.460 with an open heart

00:10:51.340 because,

00:10:52.320 you know,

00:10:52.540 any one person

00:10:53.320 can be crazy,

00:10:54.680 but if a third

00:10:55.920 or a quarter

00:10:56.420 of the country

00:10:56.880 believes something,

00:10:58.100 they're not crazy.

00:10:58.920 Like,

00:10:59.100 there's no way

00:10:59.480 that they're insane. 0.57

00:11:00.340 Like, 0.98

00:11:00.620 there's a reason

00:11:01.380 for this,

00:11:01.980 there's a justification

00:11:02.600 and it's almost always

00:11:04.160 the case that they see

00:11:05.000 things you don't see,

00:11:05.720 you see things

00:11:06.220 that they don't see.

00:11:07.440 So,

00:11:08.200 so I think for you

00:11:10.400 to espouse

00:11:11.940 conservative principles

00:11:13.320 and talk about

00:11:14.920 the moral foundations

00:11:17.200 of your view,

00:11:18.240 the view of,

00:11:18.860 of your community

00:11:19.680 is great.

00:11:20.900 That,

00:11:21.320 you can be

00:11:22.340 and you are

00:11:22.780 a very eloquent

00:11:23.460 source for that,

00:11:25.020 but at the same time,

00:11:26.600 the positive message

00:11:27.880 has to be

00:11:29.020 turning down

00:11:30.260 the manichaeism,

00:11:31.400 the,

00:11:31.540 the,

00:11:31.960 the,

00:11:32.100 the black and white thinking,

00:11:33.920 the good versus evil

00:11:34.920 and more talking

00:11:37.180 about how

00:11:38.000 we're in a mess

00:11:39.220 in this country

00:11:39.880 where we don't all

00:11:41.040 believe the same thing.

00:11:41.940 We have to somehow

00:11:42.460 live,

00:11:42.860 live together

00:11:43.860 and to insist,

00:11:46.980 I think the bright line

00:11:47.700 that I want

00:11:48.160 people on the left

00:11:49.080 and the right

00:11:49.340 to really insist on

00:11:50.460 is,

00:11:51.420 is,

00:11:52.400 is rule of law

00:11:53.460 and that we,

00:11:57.400 we play things

00:11:58.120 out through

00:11:58.400 a political process

00:11:59.400 and so obviously

00:12:01.120 no violence,

00:12:01.880 that needs to be said

00:12:02.700 over and over again

00:12:03.660 and anyone who commits

00:12:04.800 violence is just

00:12:05.800 hurting their own side.

00:12:07.740 There,

00:12:07.900 I mean,

00:12:08.160 look what,

00:12:08.600 you know,

00:12:08.800 it looks like

00:12:09.580 the assassination

00:12:10.080 of Kirk

00:12:10.940 if it was

00:12:11.400 from a left wing

00:12:12.160 is,

00:12:12.900 is,

00:12:13.120 is going to be

00:12:13.840 so damaging

00:12:14.600 to the left.

00:12:15.420 So,

00:12:16.140 you know,

00:12:16.340 the message that violence

00:12:17.220 is not just immoral,

00:12:18.380 it actually is

00:12:19.540 counterproductive

00:12:20.360 to whatever you want

00:12:21.040 to do

00:12:21.560 and then

00:12:23.400 encourage,

00:12:23.960 just encouraging people

00:12:24.620 to go ahead.

00:12:25.840 Can I interrupt

00:12:26.660 for just a second

00:12:27.480 because you said

00:12:28.160 something about

00:12:28.720 turn down

00:12:29.220 the good and evil.

00:12:30.960 Here's the problem.

00:12:32.520 I don't believe

00:12:33.840 that people

00:12:35.340 per se

00:12:35.900 are evil.

00:12:36.780 I do believe

00:12:38.020 in evil

00:12:38.720 and I do believe

00:12:39.720 in good

00:12:40.300 and what I,

00:12:43.000 the,

00:12:43.180 the way

00:12:43.920 I interpret

00:12:45.060 what's happening,

00:12:45.980 forget about parties

00:12:47.160 and politics,

00:12:47.960 the way

00:12:49.920 I interpret

00:12:51.820 what's happening

00:12:52.860 is it's almost

00:12:53.700 as if evil

00:12:54.620 has become,

00:12:56.260 it's like we're

00:12:57.160 living in Gotham.

00:12:58.500 This is how I

00:12:58.880 explained it today.

00:12:59.860 We're living in Gotham

00:13:01.400 and the Joker

00:13:03.000 is the evil one

00:13:04.780 and he's using

00:13:06.000 people

00:13:06.760 and,

00:13:07.320 you know,

00:13:08.120 he's,

00:13:08.620 he's convincing

00:13:09.720 people to do

00:13:10.520 things that are

00:13:11.140 absolutely crazy,

00:13:13.540 just crazy

00:13:14.460 and it influences

00:13:16.420 all of us

00:13:17.400 and so I feel

00:13:18.400 like we've

00:13:18.980 moved into

00:13:19.720 this almost

00:13:20.680 graphic

00:13:22.500 comic book

00:13:23.500 world

00:13:24.080 where it

00:13:24.840 is good

00:13:25.640 versus evil

00:13:26.560 but not

00:13:27.380 necessarily

00:13:28.420 people

00:13:29.280 but the

00:13:31.000 forces of it.

00:13:32.940 Does that make

00:13:33.320 sense to you?

00:13:34.360 How can I explain

00:13:35.140 that?

00:13:35.260 Yes,

00:13:35.660 that does

00:13:37.100 but what I would

00:13:37.600 let's always

00:13:38.220 turn things around.

00:13:40.100 Let's always look

00:13:40.540 at it from both

00:13:41.020 sides.

00:13:41.420 so

00:13:42.340 from the

00:13:44.200 conservative

00:13:44.740 side

00:13:45.240 I see

00:13:47.340 how

00:13:47.760 it looks

00:13:48.660 like what

00:13:49.000 the left

00:13:49.320 is doing

00:13:49.740 is undermining

00:13:50.740 the pillars

00:13:51.440 of society

00:13:52.280 Americans

00:13:53.620 not just their

00:13:54.360 traditions

00:13:54.840 but their

00:13:55.200 sense of

00:13:55.520 who they

00:13:55.820 are.

00:13:57.180 It looks

00:13:58.080 as though

00:13:58.360 the left

00:13:58.680 is destroying

00:13:59.300 America

00:13:59.880 and that

00:14:00.500 would be

00:14:02.000 evil.

00:14:02.680 That would

00:14:02.940 be even

00:14:03.500 if you don't

00:14:03.840 want to say

00:14:04.120 an individual

00:14:04.620 is evil

00:14:05.040 you could

00:14:05.740 say that

00:14:06.040 this ideology

00:14:06.900 is evil

00:14:08.260 but let's

00:14:08.840 always turn

00:14:09.340 it around

00:14:09.760 because the

00:14:10.620 left thinks

00:14:11.080 the same

00:14:11.380 about the

00:14:11.720 right

00:14:11.900 and right

00:14:12.240 now the

00:14:12.580 key thing

00:14:13.020 is

00:14:13.240 authoritarianism

00:14:14.080 right now

00:14:14.980 and look

00:14:15.560 from my

00:14:15.860 position in

00:14:16.260 the center

00:14:16.620 I'm always

00:14:17.040 slow to

00:14:17.760 judge

00:14:18.040 I don't

00:14:18.340 I don't

00:14:18.740 jump

00:14:19.000 I don't

00:14:19.360 do

00:14:19.600 outrage

00:14:20.000 I don't

00:14:20.340 jump

00:14:20.580 in

00:14:20.780 but you

00:14:22.460 know

00:14:22.580 turning

00:14:23.000 the

00:14:23.200 department

00:14:23.560 of

00:14:23.760 justice

00:14:24.160 into

00:14:24.920 the

00:14:25.120 personal

00:14:25.580 vengeance

00:14:26.080 harm

00:14:26.360 of the

00:14:26.620 president

00:14:26.960 this

00:14:27.620 is

00:14:27.840 not

00:14:28.080 just

00:14:28.380 like

00:14:28.640 I

00:14:29.040 think

00:14:29.220 this

00:14:29.380 is

00:14:29.500 bad

00:14:29.680 this

00:14:29.880 is

00:14:30.060 unbelievable

00:14:31.540 like

00:14:31.900 this

00:14:32.120 is

00:14:32.320 really

00:14:32.660 a

00:14:32.860 red

00:14:33.040 line

00:14:33.340 and so

00:14:35.180 if the

00:14:35.440 right

00:14:35.880 isn't

00:14:36.120 concerned

00:14:36.400 about

00:14:36.620 that

00:14:36.960 then

00:14:37.200 they're

00:14:37.500 not

00:14:37.900 seeing

00:14:38.240 this

00:14:38.700 is

00:14:38.800 what

00:14:38.920 the

00:14:39.040 left

00:14:39.200 sees

00:14:39.520 so

00:14:40.020 right

00:14:40.460 and

00:14:40.720 I

00:14:41.360 have

00:14:41.560 been

00:14:41.760 all

00:14:42.040 over

00:14:42.380 you know

00:14:43.240 I've

00:14:43.960 been

00:14:44.100 saying

00:14:44.480 especially

00:14:45.520 after the

00:14:46.180 stuff

00:14:46.600 with

00:14:46.760 Charlie

00:14:47.000 Kirk

00:14:47.220 and

00:14:47.360 everything

00:14:47.600 else

00:14:47.920 and I

00:14:48.200 have

00:14:48.320 said

00:14:48.460 this

00:14:48.620 about

00:14:48.820 Donald

00:14:49.060 Trump

00:14:49.300 from

00:14:49.580 the

00:14:49.740 day

00:14:49.980 he

00:14:50.120 got

00:14:50.280 in

00:14:50.460 he

00:14:51.280 starts

00:14:51.640 to

00:14:51.840 cross

00:14:52.140 constitutional

00:14:52.900 lines

00:14:53.400 I'm

00:14:54.280 done

00:14:54.620 I'm

00:14:55.080 done

00:14:55.320 and I

00:14:55.660 will

00:14:55.880 not

00:14:56.440 go

00:14:56.740 there

00:14:57.000 with

00:14:57.280 anybody

00:14:57.600 I

00:14:57.860 don't

00:14:58.000 care

00:14:58.200 who

00:14:58.480 they

00:14:58.680 are

00:14:58.900 I

00:14:59.060 won't

00:14:59.260 go

00:14:59.400 there

00:14:59.580 and

00:15:00.700 when

00:15:00.860 it

00:15:01.000 comes

00:15:01.320 to

00:15:01.720 you

00:15:02.020 know

00:15:02.140 after

00:15:02.440 Charlie

00:15:02.800 Kirk

00:15:03.140 I

00:15:03.340 said

00:15:03.640 our

00:15:04.300 job

00:15:04.900 here

00:15:05.180 is

00:15:05.440 to

00:15:05.540 be

00:15:05.680 very

00:15:05.980 careful

00:15:06.360 that

00:15:06.580 there

00:15:06.760 is

00:15:07.000 no

00:15:07.220 patriot

00:15:07.800 act

00:15:08.320 that

00:15:08.960 follows

00:15:09.380 this

00:15:09.780 you

00:15:10.080 know

00:15:10.180 what

00:15:10.280 I

00:15:10.340 mean

00:15:10.540 we

00:15:10.780 cannot

00:15:11.940 be

00:15:12.340 so

00:15:12.840 upset

00:15:14.100 about

00:15:14.500 something

00:15:14.860 like

00:15:15.080 we

00:15:15.280 need

00:15:16.420 to

00:15:16.620 learn

00:15:16.820 our

00:15:16.960 lesson

00:15:17.220 from

00:15:17.420 9-11

00:15:17.880 no

00:15:18.720 is

00:15:19.200 the

00:15:19.360 answer

00:15:19.700 no

00:15:20.020 more

00:15:20.320 control

00:15:20.900 no

00:15:21.420 so

00:15:22.380 I

00:15:22.680 do

00:15:22.920 see

00:15:23.180 that

00:15:23.480 help

00:15:24.320 me

00:15:24.680 help

00:15:25.820 me

00:15:26.160 talk

00:15:26.640 to

00:15:26.860 somebody

00:15:27.300 that

00:15:28.880 said

00:15:29.320 what

00:15:29.620 you

00:15:29.800 just

00:15:30.060 said

00:15:30.280 to

00:15:30.440 me

00:15:30.640 because

00:15:30.960 my

00:15:31.340 response

00:15:32.480 I

00:15:32.980 just

00:15:33.780 want

00:15:33.980 to

00:15:34.080 shout

00:15:34.300 out

00:15:34.500 is

00:15:34.720 did

00:15:35.740 you

00:15:35.900 watch

00:15:36.420 how

00:15:36.760 Biden

00:15:37.220 was

00:15:37.520 using

00:15:37.880 the

00:15:38.080 Justice

00:15:38.420 Department

00:15:38.940 and

00:15:39.700 I'm

00:15:40.000 not

00:15:40.180 saying

00:15:40.540 you

00:15:41.520 know

00:15:41.640 because

00:15:41.920 you

00:15:42.240 did

00:15:42.440 that

00:15:42.680 first

00:15:42.980 we

00:15:43.200 can

00:15:43.360 do

00:15:43.460 I'm

00:15:43.640 not

00:15:43.820 saying

00:15:44.120 that

00:15:44.420 but

00:15:45.020 I

00:15:45.160 don't

00:15:45.540 know

00:15:45.740 how

00:15:45.960 people

00:15:46.400 miss

00:15:46.940 the

00:15:47.960 authoritarianism

00:15:49.160 that

00:15:49.660 the

00:15:49.920 right

00:15:50.320 sees

00:15:50.900 yeah

00:15:52.180 so

00:15:52.740 that's

00:15:53.000 right

00:15:53.180 what

00:15:53.340 I've

00:15:53.520 learned

00:15:53.820 is

00:15:54.320 whenever

00:15:55.400 I

00:15:55.640 point

00:15:55.880 out

00:15:56.060 something

00:15:56.420 especially

00:15:56.780 anything

00:15:57.140 I

00:15:57.340 point

00:15:57.620 out

00:15:57.920 on

00:15:58.460 Twitter

00:15:58.800 someone

00:15:59.820 will

00:16:00.020 jump

00:16:00.260 in

00:16:00.380 and

00:16:00.500 say

00:16:00.620 oh

00:16:00.800 yeah

00:16:01.120 well

00:16:01.600 you

00:16:01.820 know

00:16:01.960 this

00:16:02.200 look

00:16:02.500 what

00:16:02.640 Biden

00:16:02.980 look

00:16:03.180 what

00:16:03.300 Obama

00:16:03.600 did

00:16:03.860 and

00:16:04.740 the

00:16:05.060 thing

00:16:05.280 is

00:16:05.500 usually

00:16:06.160 they're

00:16:06.520 right

00:16:06.780 that

00:16:07.040 it

00:16:07.300 is

00:16:07.660 sort

00:16:08.200 of

00:16:08.320 similar

00:16:08.640 but

00:16:09.360 it's

00:16:09.560 usually

00:16:09.880 much

00:16:10.300 less

00:16:10.660 much

00:16:10.940 less

00:16:11.140 intensive

00:16:11.480 so

00:16:11.740 for

00:16:11.880 example

00:16:12.200 I

00:16:12.800 care

00:16:12.980 a lot

00:16:13.160 about

00:16:13.300 universities

00:16:13.800 I

00:16:14.060 wrote

00:16:14.220 a book

00:16:14.440 called

00:16:14.600 The

00:16:14.760 Coddling

00:16:15.040 of the

00:16:15.220 American

00:16:15.460 Mind

00:16:15.720 which

00:16:15.880 I

00:16:15.980 think

00:16:16.080 I

00:16:16.180 spoke

00:16:16.360 with

00:16:16.500 you

00:16:16.580 about

00:16:16.820 and

00:16:18.020 on

00:16:18.120 that

00:16:18.280 I'm

00:16:18.460 very

00:16:18.780 sympathetic

00:16:19.160 to

00:16:19.420 the

00:16:19.560 critique

00:16:19.860 of

00:16:20.020 the

00:16:20.120 right

00:16:20.240 Greg

00:16:20.460 Lukianoff

00:16:20.940 and I

00:16:21.260 were

00:16:21.800 horrified

00:16:22.280 by the

00:16:22.680 violations

00:16:23.060 of

00:16:23.260 free

00:16:23.440 speech

00:16:23.760 brought

00:16:24.060 about

00:16:24.340 by the

00:16:24.700 activist

00:16:25.120 left

00:16:25.560 the

00:16:25.900 woke

00:16:27.520 revolution

00:16:28.000 all of

00:16:28.380 that

00:16:28.600 and

00:16:30.020 it

00:16:30.120 is

00:16:30.240 true

00:16:30.480 that

00:16:30.860 Obama

00:16:31.920 used

00:16:32.900 Title IX

00:16:33.840 legislation

00:16:35.280 to push

00:16:36.120 universities

00:16:36.680 to do

00:16:37.280 things

00:16:37.660 to push

00:16:38.080 them to

00:16:38.300 the left

00:16:38.640 on

00:16:38.900 gender

00:16:39.140 issues

00:16:39.560 and that

00:16:40.520 Greg

00:16:41.040 and I

00:16:41.260 said

00:16:41.460 was not

00:16:41.920 right

00:16:42.320 that

00:16:42.600 was

00:16:42.920 it

00:16:43.060 was

00:16:43.160 not

00:16:43.320 illegal

00:16:43.660 he

00:16:44.400 had

00:16:44.500 that

00:16:44.660 power

00:16:44.960 but

00:16:45.640 what

00:16:46.140 he

00:16:46.280 did

00:16:46.460 we

00:16:46.600 thought

00:16:46.820 was

00:16:47.160 terrible

00:16:47.740 and

00:16:47.960 was

00:16:48.180 really

00:16:48.740 not

00:16:48.940 appropriate

00:16:49.360 to have

00:16:49.680 this

00:16:49.840 level

00:16:50.020 of

00:16:50.140 control

00:16:50.400 over

00:16:50.700 what

00:16:50.960 we

00:16:51.380 can

00:16:51.560 talk

00:16:51.800 about

00:16:51.960 at

00:16:52.060 universities

00:16:52.560 and

00:16:53.520 now

00:16:53.720 Trump

00:16:54.040 is

00:16:55.020 doing

00:16:55.540 much

00:16:55.960 more

00:16:56.260 to

00:16:56.500 universities

00:16:57.060 dictating

00:16:57.720 who

00:16:57.960 we're

00:16:58.640 trying

00:16:58.880 to

00:16:59.040 dictate

00:16:59.240 we'll

00:16:59.420 see

00:16:59.540 what

00:16:59.640 the

00:16:59.720 negotiations

00:17:00.120 say

00:17:00.500 so

00:17:01.060 you

00:17:01.260 can

00:17:01.420 point

00:17:01.680 to

00:17:01.840 the

00:17:01.940 previous

00:17:02.160 Obama

00:17:02.540 example

00:17:03.040 but

00:17:03.900 it's

00:17:04.220 not

00:17:04.420 nearly

00:17:05.040 as

00:17:05.340 big

00:17:05.540 as

00:17:05.680 the

00:17:05.840 Trump

00:17:06.100 example

00:17:06.480 and

00:17:06.660 this

00:17:06.800 goes

00:17:07.000 around

00:17:07.820 it's

00:17:08.340 always

00:17:08.660 like

00:17:08.940 this

00:17:09.200 so

00:17:09.640 each

00:17:09.940 side

00:17:10.200 is

00:17:10.340 so

00:17:10.600 good

00:17:10.900 at

00:17:11.140 finding

00:17:11.460 out

00:17:11.660 where

00:17:11.800 the

00:17:11.920 other

00:17:12.180 side

00:17:12.820 did

00:17:13.040 something

00:17:13.480 sort

00:17:13.780 of

00:17:13.900 similar

00:17:14.260 and

00:17:15.740 you

00:17:15.920 know

00:17:16.020 yes

00:17:16.280 I'm

00:17:16.480 sure

00:17:16.660 I'm

00:17:17.500 sure

00:17:17.700 that

00:17:17.920 the

00:17:18.100 Biden

00:17:18.300 administration

00:17:18.800 nudged

00:17:19.420 or

00:17:19.560 requested

00:17:20.020 but

00:17:20.600 they

00:17:21.340 never

00:17:21.580 did

00:17:21.760 anything

00:17:22.340 like

00:17:22.800 demanding

00:17:23.860 the

00:17:24.280 prosecution

00:17:24.680 of a

00:17:24.900 particular

00:17:25.160 person

00:17:25.620 and

00:17:25.820 then

00:17:25.940 when

00:17:26.060 the

00:17:26.200 prosecutor

00:17:26.620 wouldn't

00:17:27.020 do

00:17:27.260 it

00:17:27.480 firing

00:17:28.060 that 0.97

00:17:28.300 person

00:17:28.620 and

00:17:28.780 getting

00:17:28.980 someone

00:17:29.420 who

00:17:29.860 would

00:17:35.680 if

00:17:36.240 you

00:17:36.320 cross

00:17:36.560 red

00:17:36.760 lines

00:17:36.980 you're

00:17:37.160 out

00:17:37.360 do

00:17:38.080 you

00:17:38.220 think

00:17:38.460 that

00:17:38.600 Trump

00:17:38.760 has

00:17:38.900 crossed

00:17:39.140 red

00:17:39.340 lines

00:17:39.540 yet

00:17:39.780 I

00:17:41.360 don't

00:17:41.820 because

00:17:42.140 my

00:17:42.580 understanding

00:17:43.260 of the

00:17:43.520 story

00:17:43.740 is

00:17:43.920 different

00:17:44.180 than

00:17:44.400 you

00:17:44.620 okay

00:17:45.200 okay

00:17:45.820 good

00:17:46.060 right

00:17:46.320 my

00:17:47.000 understanding

00:17:47.460 of the

00:17:47.840 story

00:17:48.240 is

00:17:48.760 that

00:17:48.980 he

00:17:49.220 didn't

00:17:49.740 say

00:17:50.160 he

00:17:51.920 didn't

00:17:52.240 say

00:17:52.560 oh

00:17:52.840 you

00:17:53.080 won't

00:17:53.400 prosecute

00:17:54.240 you're

00:17:54.520 out

00:17:54.680 you're

00:17:54.920 fired

00:17:55.160 get

00:17:55.380 somebody

00:17:55.620 else

00:17:55.820 what

00:17:55.960 he

00:17:56.080 said

00:17:56.320 was

00:17:56.660 make

00:17:57.100 a

00:17:57.260 decision

00:17:57.780 because

00:17:58.580 the

00:17:59.060 statute

00:17:59.460 of

00:17:59.600 limitations

00:18:00.060 is

00:18:00.740 almost

00:18:01.260 up

00:18:01.540 yes

00:18:02.400 I

00:18:02.980 believe

00:18:03.380 that

00:18:03.700 that

00:18:04.100 Comey 0.99

00:18:04.400 should

00:18:04.600 be

00:18:04.760 prosecuted

00:18:05.400 and

00:18:06.320 so

00:18:06.500 does

00:18:06.640 Donald

00:18:06.880 Trump

00:18:07.300 for

00:18:08.580 a

00:18:08.820 long

00:18:09.380 string

00:18:09.840 of

00:18:10.120 things

00:18:10.460 I

00:18:10.640 think

00:18:10.780 there

00:18:10.940 is

00:18:11.140 a

00:18:11.260 grand

00:18:11.580 conspiracy

00:18:12.280 that

00:18:12.680 you

00:18:12.800 could

00:18:12.940 go

00:18:13.080 back

00:18:13.460 but

00:18:14.000 you

00:18:14.260 lose

00:18:14.720 the

00:18:14.920 opportunity

00:18:15.480 if

00:18:16.040 you

00:18:16.160 don't

00:18:16.460 act

00:18:16.780 so

00:18:17.300 what

00:18:17.520 Trump

00:18:17.800 said

00:18:18.100 was

00:18:18.400 you

00:18:19.000 have

00:18:19.400 to

00:18:19.620 make

00:18:19.900 a

00:18:20.060 decision

00:18:20.580 yes

00:18:21.320 or

00:18:21.460 no

00:18:21.680 are

00:18:21.880 you

00:18:21.960 going

00:18:22.100 to

00:18:22.200 do

00:18:22.340 it

00:18:22.460 he

00:18:22.640 didn't

00:18:22.860 make

00:18:23.040 a

00:18:23.180 decision

00:18:23.480 and

00:18:23.740 so

00:18:23.900 he

00:18:24.060 was

00:18:24.200 replaced

00:18:24.680 I

00:18:25.620 think

00:18:25.900 he

00:18:26.060 has

00:18:26.320 the

00:18:26.480 right

00:18:26.700 to

00:18:26.940 do

00:18:27.100 that

00:18:27.440 I

00:18:29.420 don't

00:18:29.860 like

00:18:30.220 I

00:18:30.760 do

00:18:31.080 not

00:18:31.400 want

00:18:31.680 my

00:18:31.940 president

00:18:32.340 to

00:18:32.700 say

00:18:33.080 I

00:18:35.380 have

00:18:35.660 the

00:18:35.860 facts

00:18:36.300 I

00:18:36.840 don't

00:18:37.060 care

00:18:37.340 what

00:18:37.620 the

00:18:37.860 grand

00:18:38.200 jury

00:18:38.520 says

00:18:38.940 I

00:18:39.140 don't

00:18:39.360 care

00:18:39.560 what

00:18:39.740 anybody

00:18:40.020 says

00:18:40.440 get

00:18:41.000 him

00:18:41.200 that

00:18:41.840 I

00:18:42.000 don't

00:18:42.200 like

00:18:42.440 I

00:18:43.120 do

00:18:43.320 believe

00:18:43.600 Biden

00:18:43.960 did

00:18:44.260 that

00:18:44.640 more

00:18:45.620 to

00:18:46.020 Donald

00:18:46.260 Trump

00:18:46.660 than

00:18:47.100 he

00:18:47.940 is

00:18:48.140 doing

00:18:48.360 now

00:18:48.740 however

00:18:49.600 I'm

00:18:50.220 on

00:18:50.420 guard

00:18:50.820 on

00:18:51.160 that

00:18:51.360 I

00:18:51.580 do

00:18:51.820 not

00:18:52.860 want

00:18:53.180 that

00:18:53.460 we

00:18:53.740 give

00:18:54.060 that

00:18:54.300 power

00:18:54.640 to

00:18:54.840 Donald

00:18:55.120 Trump

00:18:55.480 we

00:18:55.900 give

00:18:56.120 that

00:18:56.300 power

00:18:56.560 to

00:18:56.720 Joe

00:18:56.920 Biden

00:18:57.280 or

00:18:57.400 anybody

00:18:57.820 else

00:18:58.040 we're

00:18:58.480 done

00:18:58.980 as

00:18:59.360 a

00:18:59.460 republic

00:18:59.860 and

00:19:00.180 I've

00:19:00.380 had

00:19:00.880 several

00:19:01.300 conversations

00:19:01.960 with

00:19:02.260 Alan

00:19:02.480 Dershowitz

00:19:02.980 on this

00:19:03.420 watching

00:19:04.200 those

00:19:05.300 lines

00:19:05.820 but

00:19:07.700 again

00:19:08.120 I

00:19:10.560 have

00:19:10.780 my

00:19:11.000 point

00:19:11.720 of

00:19:11.820 view

00:19:11.900 it

00:19:13.460 does

00:19:13.700 nothing

00:19:14.220 to

00:19:14.520 further

00:19:14.940 the

00:19:15.440 game

00:19:15.860 does

00:19:16.480 it

00:19:16.700 not

00:19:17.160 game

00:19:17.540 but

00:19:17.740 you

00:19:17.940 know

00:19:18.060 what

00:19:18.160 I

00:19:18.220 mean

00:19:19.140 even

00:19:20.140 just

00:19:20.340 having

00:19:20.540 this

00:19:20.700 conversation

00:19:21.280 I

00:19:22.420 didn't

00:19:23.340 know

00:19:23.520 what

00:19:23.700 the

00:19:23.820 right

00:19:23.960 thinks

00:19:24.260 about

00:19:24.640 this

00:19:25.000 again

00:19:25.500 I'm

00:19:25.680 not

00:19:25.860 on

00:19:26.000 the

00:19:26.100 left

00:19:26.300 anymore

00:19:26.600 I'm

00:19:26.800 just

00:19:26.960 a

00:19:27.760 social

00:19:27.960 scientist

00:19:28.240 trying

00:19:28.460 to

00:19:28.580 understand

00:19:29.040 but

00:19:30.060 even

00:19:30.200 just

00:19:30.400 this

00:19:30.560 conversation

00:19:31.020 you

00:19:31.200 and

00:19:31.320 I

00:19:31.440 are

00:19:31.560 having

00:19:31.880 at least

00:19:32.680 now

00:19:32.940 I

00:19:33.100 see

00:19:33.520 how

00:19:33.960 you're

00:19:35.040 thinking

00:19:35.320 about

00:19:35.720 this

00:19:35.960 and that

00:19:37.240 humanizes

00:19:37.880 people

00:19:38.380 because

00:19:39.060 without

00:19:39.620 that

00:19:39.980 contact

00:19:40.840 you

00:19:41.160 just

00:19:41.360 think

00:19:41.560 the

00:19:41.700 other

00:19:41.900 side

00:19:42.140 is

00:19:42.260 monstrous

00:19:42.980 they're 0.61

00:19:43.520 evil 0.95

00:19:43.900 they're 1.00

00:19:44.120 hypocrites 1.00

00:19:44.740 so I 1.00

00:19:47.320 think

00:19:47.480 we need

00:19:48.020 to have

00:19:48.240 conversations

00:19:48.940 with people

00:19:50.100 who

00:19:50.360 differ

00:19:51.020 from us

00:19:51.580 conversations

00:19:52.480 which we're

00:19:52.840 trying to

00:19:53.160 learn

00:19:53.540 not

00:19:54.060 stomp

00:19:54.900 on

00:19:55.120 or even

00:19:55.440 persuade

00:19:55.940 the one

00:19:57.060 thing I've

00:19:57.500 been saying

00:19:57.940 for a

00:19:58.560 while now

00:19:59.160 is

00:19:59.740 we can't

00:20:02.340 we have to

00:20:02.900 stop trying

00:20:03.700 to win

00:20:04.320 we have to

00:20:06.020 have a

00:20:06.320 conversation

00:20:06.820 that starts

00:20:07.400 with

00:20:07.760 how did

00:20:09.220 you arrive

00:20:09.780 at that

00:20:10.300 I really

00:20:10.980 want to

00:20:11.640 understand

00:20:12.080 how did

00:20:12.660 you get

00:20:13.280 there

00:20:13.660 because

00:20:14.680 we may

00:20:15.920 not still

00:20:16.760 agree

00:20:17.280 but at least

00:20:18.260 I will

00:20:18.640 understand

00:20:19.320 okay

00:20:20.540 that's

00:20:22.040 reasonable

00:20:22.560 you might

00:20:23.240 be missing

00:20:23.660 this fact

00:20:24.160 this fact

00:20:24.600 this fact

00:20:25.120 or you

00:20:25.800 might say

00:20:26.360 things that

00:20:27.000 I didn't

00:20:27.420 know

00:20:27.720 but in

00:20:30.380 the end

00:20:31.040 it's

00:20:31.960 I'm not

00:20:33.980 sure that

00:20:34.560 that even

00:20:35.040 works

00:20:35.520 I mean

00:20:36.100 it's better

00:20:36.700 than everything

00:20:37.220 else

00:20:37.660 but I'm

00:20:38.040 not sure

00:20:38.540 that gets

00:20:39.180 us

00:20:39.500 where we

00:20:40.560 need to

00:20:40.840 be

00:20:40.980 so that

00:20:42.240 can work

00:20:42.880 on a

00:20:43.200 local level

00:20:43.740 when you

00:20:44.000 get people

00:20:44.460 who live

00:20:44.920 near each

00:20:45.320 other

00:20:45.540 they're

00:20:45.760 tied to

00:20:46.240 each

00:20:46.420 other

00:20:46.580 they have

00:20:46.900 a past

00:20:47.420 they have

00:20:47.640 a future

00:20:48.040 then those

00:20:49.120 conversations

00:20:49.620 really do

00:20:50.140 work

00:20:50.640 on social

00:20:51.400 media

00:20:51.600 they very

00:20:52.220 rarely

00:20:52.540 work

00:20:52.940 I

00:20:53.780 created

00:20:54.160 a

00:20:54.460 program

00:20:55.120 if

00:20:56.260 people

00:20:56.880 go to

00:20:57.180 constructivedialogueinstitute.org

00:20:59.600 we created

00:21:00.440 a program

00:21:00.820 called

00:21:01.060 perspectives

00:21:01.580 to be

00:21:02.000 used in

00:21:02.380 classrooms

00:21:02.900 especially

00:21:03.300 university

00:21:03.780 but it

00:21:04.080 works well

00:21:04.360 in high

00:21:04.580 school

00:21:04.760 as well

00:21:05.120 that puts

00:21:06.540 students

00:21:06.840 in dialogue

00:21:07.460 where you

00:21:07.780 try to

00:21:08.260 develop

00:21:08.600 that

00:21:08.820 curiosity

00:21:09.360 first

00:21:09.840 like

00:21:10.040 why do

00:21:10.540 you

00:21:10.660 think

00:21:10.880 this

00:21:11.100 okay

00:21:11.260 we

00:21:11.380 differ

00:21:11.560 on this

00:21:11.780 how did

00:21:12.460 you

00:21:12.560 come

00:21:12.760 to

00:21:12.900 that

00:21:13.140 what

00:21:13.540 events

00:21:13.820 in your

00:21:14.260 background

00:21:14.840 cause

00:21:15.580 you to

00:21:15.800 see it

00:21:16.020 this

00:21:16.160 way

00:21:16.380 and it

00:21:17.160 works

00:21:17.340 really

00:21:17.560 well

00:21:17.740 to

00:21:17.880 turn

00:21:18.060 down

00:21:18.180 the

00:21:18.300 polarization

00:21:18.680 it's

00:21:20.600 just

00:21:20.760 that

00:21:21.020 if

00:21:22.260 we're

00:21:22.380 working

00:21:22.660 at

00:21:22.800 that

00:21:22.940 local

00:21:23.220 level

00:21:23.540 a

00:21:23.700 classroom

00:21:24.140 a

00:21:24.320 neighborhood

00:21:24.700 it's

00:21:25.960 very hard

00:21:26.380 to

00:21:26.620 scale

00:21:27.280 it up

00:21:27.500 to the

00:21:27.680 point

00:21:27.820 where

00:21:27.960 it

00:21:28.080 matters

00:21:28.360 for

00:21:28.560 the

00:21:28.680 nation

00:21:29.000 there's

00:21:29.280 a group

00:21:29.440 called

00:21:29.600 braver

00:21:29.900 angels

00:21:30.200 which is

00:21:30.620 doing

00:21:30.860 that

00:21:31.080 braver

00:21:31.340 angels

00:21:31.700 dot org

00:21:32.260 that

00:21:33.380 that

00:21:33.400 is

00:21:33.520 sort

00:21:33.660 of

00:21:33.720 the

00:21:33.820 retail

00:21:34.120 work

00:21:34.440 of

00:21:34.700 politics

00:21:35.640 I'll

00:21:37.680 just

00:21:37.820 add

00:21:38.060 you

00:21:38.280 said

00:21:38.740 something

00:21:38.920 interesting

00:21:39.240 you

00:21:39.440 said

00:21:39.740 that

00:21:40.480 you

00:21:40.820 want

00:21:41.000 people

00:21:41.220 to

00:21:41.380 stop

00:21:41.600 trying

00:21:41.860 to

00:21:42.080 win

00:21:42.520 I

00:21:43.400 would

00:21:43.500 just

00:21:43.640 amend

00:21:43.900 that

00:21:44.060 a

00:21:44.180 little

00:21:44.320 bit

00:21:44.580 by

00:21:44.780 saying

00:21:45.220 politics

00:21:46.040 is

00:21:46.500 about

00:21:46.760 winning

00:21:47.220 and

00:21:47.420 losing

00:21:47.640 in part

00:21:48.100 and

00:21:48.320 certainly

00:21:48.540 elections

00:21:48.860 are

00:21:49.040 certainly

00:21:49.240 about

00:21:49.440 winning

00:21:49.620 and

00:21:49.820 losing

00:21:50.060 but

00:21:51.060 I

00:21:51.180 think

00:21:51.340 what

00:21:51.460 we

00:21:51.580 want

00:21:51.760 to

00:21:51.840 do

00:21:51.940 is

00:21:52.040 we

00:21:52.140 want

00:21:52.220 to

00:21:52.300 get

00:21:52.400 people

00:21:52.660 to

00:21:52.860 agree

00:21:53.100 on

00:21:53.240 the

00:21:53.360 game

00:21:53.560 that

00:21:53.700 we're

00:21:53.800 playing

00:21:54.160 first

00:21:54.480 let's

00:21:54.680 agree

00:21:54.880 on

00:21:55.000 what

00:21:55.120 is

00:21:55.240 this

00:21:55.380 game

00:21:55.560 we're

00:21:55.700 playing

00:21:56.060 what

00:21:56.500 are

00:21:56.580 the

00:21:56.700 rules

00:21:56.900 what

00:21:57.020 are

00:21:57.080 the

00:21:57.180 boundaries

00:21:57.620 okay

00:21:58.060 now

00:21:58.500 let's

00:21:58.960 go

00:21:59.160 you

00:21:59.420 try to

00:21:59.880 persuade

00:22:00.100 a lot

00:22:00.300 of

00:22:00.360 people

00:22:00.540 I

00:22:00.680 try to

00:22:00.940 persuade

00:22:01.140 a lot

00:22:01.360 of

00:22:01.440 people

00:22:01.700 and

00:22:03.340 so

00:22:03.720 if

00:22:03.880 we

00:22:04.000 have

00:22:04.220 that

00:22:04.520 sense

00:22:04.980 then

00:22:05.200 I

00:22:05.360 think

00:22:05.660 the

00:22:05.840 game

00:22:06.080 can

00:22:06.340 work

00:22:06.880 so

00:22:07.760 may

00:22:08.040 I

00:22:08.300 I

00:22:09.540 can't

00:22:09.980 believe

00:22:10.180 I'm

00:22:10.400 arguing

00:22:10.780 language

00:22:11.300 with

00:22:11.580 you

00:22:11.940 because

00:22:13.120 you

00:22:13.260 are

00:22:13.360 so

00:22:13.560 good

00:22:13.820 at

00:22:14.000 it

00:22:14.140 but

00:22:14.400 may

00:22:16.560 I

00:22:16.860 argue

00:22:17.260 language

00:22:17.880 when

00:22:18.620 I

00:22:18.780 was

00:22:18.980 at

00:22:19.200 Fox

00:22:19.800 as

00:22:20.340 I

00:22:20.560 left

00:22:21.600 Roger

00:22:22.800 Ailes

00:22:23.100 said

00:22:23.340 to me

00:22:23.560 you

00:22:23.680 know

00:22:23.860 what

00:22:24.000 your

00:22:24.140 problem

00:22:24.520 is

00:22:24.820 I

00:22:25.100 said

00:22:25.360 no

00:22:25.660 sir

00:22:25.980 I

00:22:26.200 don't

00:22:26.740 and

00:22:26.980 he

00:22:27.160 said

00:22:27.580 you

00:22:28.360 won't

00:22:28.680 play

00:22:28.940 the

00:22:29.120 game

00:22:29.440 and

00:22:31.020 he

00:22:32.060 explained

00:22:32.640 that

00:22:33.080 that

00:22:33.380 you

00:22:33.520 know

00:22:33.620 we

00:22:33.800 take

00:22:34.100 a

00:22:34.260 piece

00:22:34.540 of

00:22:34.820 the

00:22:35.100 you

00:22:35.400 know

00:22:35.560 piece

00:22:35.940 of

00:22:36.040 their

00:22:36.200 flesh

00:22:36.520 and

00:22:36.640 they

00:22:36.740 take

00:22:36.960 a

00:22:37.100 piece

00:22:37.280 of

00:22:37.400 our

00:22:37.580 flesh

00:22:37.880 and

00:22:38.020 we

00:22:38.140 all

00:22:38.320 go

00:22:38.500 have

00:22:38.680 dinner

00:22:38.900 at

00:22:39.080 night

00:22:39.340 and

00:22:40.220 I

00:22:40.460 said

00:22:40.920 some

00:22:42.480 of

00:22:42.660 us

00:22:42.880 aren't

00:22:44.000 playing

00:22:44.360 a

00:22:44.560 game

00:22:44.780 some

00:22:45.420 of

00:22:45.560 us

00:22:45.700 are

00:22:45.840 doing

00:22:46.100 it

00:22:46.240 because

00:22:46.480 we

00:22:46.680 believe

00:22:47.200 this

00:22:47.600 we

00:22:48.580 we're

00:22:49.100 not

00:22:49.300 playing

00:22:49.700 a

00:22:49.880 game

00:22:50.140 do

00:22:51.480 you

00:22:51.600 mean

00:22:51.780 the

00:22:51.920 game

00:22:52.180 in

00:22:52.320 the

00:22:52.440 same

00:22:52.620 way

00:22:52.800 he

00:22:53.020 meant

00:22:53.260 it

00:22:53.460 I

00:22:55.840 mean

00:22:56.360 I

00:22:57.240 mean

00:22:57.660 anything

00:22:58.520 that keeps

00:22:58.940 us

00:22:59.120 away

00:22:59.440 from

00:22:59.800 the

00:22:59.940 ends

00:23:00.180 justify

00:23:00.580 the

00:23:00.760 means

00:23:01.060 that's

00:23:01.920 the

00:23:02.060 road

00:23:02.220 to 0.96

00:23:02.380 hell 0.96

00:23:02.580 once

00:23:02.860 people

00:23:03.120 think

00:23:03.380 the

00:23:03.560 ends

00:23:04.000 justify

00:23:04.540 the

00:23:04.720 means

00:23:04.840 and

00:23:05.220 that's

00:23:05.520 what

00:23:05.640 Tyler

00:23:05.920 Robinson

00:23:06.340 thought

00:23:06.760 he

00:23:07.220 thought

00:23:07.640 Charlie

00:23:08.480 Kirk

00:23:08.680 is

00:23:08.880 so

00:23:09.140 odious

00:23:09.640 his 0.77

00:23:09.920 views

00:23:10.200 on

00:23:10.420 trans

00:23:10.680 are

00:23:10.800 so

00:23:11.060 odious

00:23:11.540 that

00:23:12.200 I

00:23:13.500 should 1.00

00:23:14.280 kill 1.00

00:23:14.720 him 1.00

00:23:14.980 so

00:23:16.200 when

00:23:16.360 you

00:23:16.460 get

00:23:16.640 the

00:23:16.820 ends

00:23:17.000 justify

00:23:17.280 the

00:23:17.460 means

00:23:17.880 then

00:23:18.760 you

00:23:18.980 can

00:23:19.140 justify

00:23:19.500 anything

00:23:19.980 and

00:23:20.240 the

00:23:20.440 president

00:23:20.800 did

00:23:21.140 tweet

00:23:21.420 something

00:23:21.740 like

00:23:22.100 he

00:23:22.620 who

00:23:22.940 saves

00:23:23.420 his

00:23:23.640 nation

00:23:24.080 is not

00:23:24.900 breaking

00:23:25.180 any

00:23:25.380 laws

00:23:25.580 something

00:23:25.820 like

00:23:26.080 that

00:23:26.340 he

00:23:26.780 was

00:23:26.920 saying

00:23:27.160 the

00:23:27.340 ends

00:23:27.580 justify

00:23:27.920 the

00:23:28.100 means

00:23:28.280 I

00:23:28.420 can

00:23:28.580 do

00:23:28.760 what

00:23:29.000 I

00:23:29.120 want

00:23:29.500 I

00:23:30.040 I'm

00:23:30.100 just

00:23:30.220 saying

00:23:30.380 that's

00:23:30.840 to

00:23:31.080 me

00:23:31.180 that's

00:23:37.640 very

00:23:37.980 difficult

00:23:38.420 to

00:23:39.400 pay

00:23:39.580 expenses

00:23:40.020 every

00:23:40.460 single

00:23:40.700 month

00:23:40.960 in

00:23:41.200 most

00:23:41.480 cases

00:23:41.900 there's

00:23:42.220 almost

00:23:42.440 nothing

00:23:42.740 left

00:23:43.080 over

00:23:43.480 to

00:23:43.760 cover

00:23:44.300 any

00:23:44.520 extras

00:23:44.980 most

00:23:45.840 aren't

00:23:46.080 getting

00:23:46.320 a big

00:23:46.660 raise

00:23:47.180 with

00:23:47.540 expenses

00:23:47.980 being

00:23:48.220 up

00:23:48.360 so

00:23:48.520 high

00:23:48.760 it

00:23:48.880 can

00:23:49.000 be

00:23:49.100 very

00:23:49.300 hard

00:23:49.520 to

00:23:49.700 manage

00:23:50.300 without

00:23:51.600 grabbing

00:23:51.940 for the

00:23:52.260 credit

00:23:52.460 cards

00:23:52.720 and

00:23:52.820 when

00:23:52.940 you

00:23:53.040 do

00:23:53.320 there's

00:23:53.740 trouble

00:23:54.020 on

00:23:54.240 that

00:23:54.500 but

00:23:54.980 listen

00:23:55.180 if

00:23:55.340 you're

00:23:55.500 a

00:23:55.620 homeowner

00:23:56.020 and

00:23:56.300 you

00:23:56.480 are

00:23:56.640 frustrated

00:23:57.320 with

00:23:58.540 that

00:23:58.700 endless

00:23:59.100 cycle

00:23:59.600 that

00:23:59.800 only

00:24:00.000 produces

00:24:00.400 more

00:24:00.700 debt

00:24:01.060 I

00:24:01.240 want

00:24:01.520 you

00:24:01.620 to

00:24:01.740 take

00:24:01.920 10

00:24:02.180 minutes

00:24:02.400 today

00:24:02.720 and

00:24:02.980 call

00:24:03.420 American

00:24:04.040 Financing

00:24:04.720 if

00:24:05.720 you're

00:24:05.920 constantly

00:24:06.440 carrying

00:24:06.880 a

00:24:07.160 credit

00:24:07.460 card

00:24:07.880 balance

00:24:08.640 each

00:24:09.020 and

00:24:09.220 every

00:24:09.480 month

00:24:09.740 with

00:24:09.920 an

00:24:10.040 interest

00:24:10.380 rate

00:24:10.580 of

00:24:10.700 20

00:24:11.060 or

00:24:11.220 even

00:24:11.480 30

00:24:12.120 percent

00:24:12.700 American

00:24:13.620 Financing

00:24:14.220 can

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00:25:02.820 on the

00:25:03.020 dark

00:25:03.180 web

00:25:03.400 uh

00:25:04.540 I'm

00:25:05.320 looking

00:25:05.640 into

00:25:06.000 it

00:25:06.300 stress

00:25:06.920 less

00:25:07.260 about

00:25:07.540 security

00:25:08.080 choose

00:25:08.600 security

00:25:09.020 solutions

00:25:09.520 from

00:25:09.720 tell us

00:25:10.120 for peace

00:25:10.540 of mind

00:25:10.860 at home

00:25:11.300 and

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00:25:14.740 to learn

00:25:15.220 more

00:25:15.560 conditions

00:25:16.140 apply

00:25:16.560 when I

00:25:18.420 said

00:25:19.360 at the

00:25:20.180 beginning

00:25:20.480 that you

00:25:21.060 have

00:25:21.300 diagnosed

00:25:21.700 this

00:25:22.080 problem

00:25:22.540 I think

00:25:22.980 better

00:25:23.200 than

00:25:23.420 anybody

00:25:23.720 else

00:25:24.160 um

00:25:26.000 what I

00:25:27.620 mean by

00:25:28.080 that

00:25:28.420 is

00:25:28.840 the work

00:25:29.660 that you

00:25:30.040 have done

00:25:30.560 on social

00:25:31.300 media

00:25:31.700 and our

00:25:32.400 kids

00:25:32.880 um

00:25:33.980 there is

00:25:34.640 a there

00:25:35.040 is a

00:25:35.680 a group

00:25:36.720 of parents

00:25:37.740 and I'm

00:25:38.100 in them

00:25:38.640 I'm in

00:25:39.180 that

00:25:39.620 that you

00:25:40.600 know had

00:25:40.920 kids growing

00:25:41.660 up when

00:25:42.320 the phone

00:25:42.980 and the

00:25:43.420 ipad

00:25:43.960 and social

00:25:44.460 media

00:25:44.860 all of a

00:25:45.720 sudden

00:25:45.940 my kids

00:25:46.460 are 11

00:25:46.960 and it's

00:25:47.680 all there

00:25:48.240 and we

00:25:48.800 don't know

00:25:49.120 what to

00:25:49.400 do

00:25:49.640 um

00:25:50.720 but those

00:25:51.360 days are

00:25:51.820 over

00:25:52.480 now the

00:25:53.620 results are

00:25:54.240 in and it's

00:25:55.000 clear you

00:25:55.660 want to go

00:25:55.960 through some

00:25:56.580 of these

00:25:57.080 things that

00:25:57.780 you have

00:25:57.980 found

00:25:58.280 sure

00:25:59.500 um

00:26:00.140 so I'll

00:26:00.400 just give

00:26:00.680 just to

00:26:01.040 give the

00:26:01.280 overview

00:26:01.640 of the

00:26:02.060 book of

00:26:02.380 the anxious

00:26:02.640 generation

00:26:03.240 I can

00:26:04.040 summarize the

00:26:04.440 whole book

00:26:04.900 by saying

00:26:05.540 that this

00:26:06.280 gigantic

00:26:06.840 mental health

00:26:07.460 catastrophe

00:26:08.060 that began

00:26:08.720 in 2012

00:26:09.340 it's very

00:26:09.800 sharp it

00:26:10.280 really begins

00:26:10.740 right around

00:26:11.120 2012

00:26:11.500 2013

00:26:11.900 that the

00:26:13.620 biggest cause

00:26:14.180 of this is

00:26:14.680 that we

00:26:14.980 have over

00:26:15.580 protected our

00:26:16.160 children in

00:26:16.600 the real

00:26:16.900 world we

00:26:17.720 have to let

00:26:18.040 them out to

00:26:18.400 play develop

00:26:19.040 independence and

00:26:20.200 we have

00:26:20.420 under protected

00:26:21.080 them online

00:26:21.720 our kids

00:26:22.820 moved their

00:26:23.520 social lives

00:26:24.040 onto social

00:26:24.740 media platforms

00:26:25.460 around 2012

00:26:26.160 2013 and

00:26:27.000 the results

00:26:27.320 have been

00:26:27.580 completely

00:26:28.060 disastrous

00:26:28.620 so I've

00:26:30.540 been assembling

00:26:31.200 the evidence

00:26:31.660 for this

00:26:31.920 because I'm

00:26:32.460 arguing there

00:26:33.060 are some

00:26:33.220 other psychologists

00:26:33.860 say no

00:26:34.280 there's no

00:26:34.660 evidence of

00:26:35.100 harm no

00:26:35.880 it's just a

00:26:36.340 correlation

00:26:36.800 correlation

00:26:37.240 doesn't prove

00:26:37.760 causation

00:26:38.280 and I'll

00:26:40.460 just just to

00:26:40.980 tick down the

00:26:41.880 the evidence

00:26:42.680 that social media

00:26:43.220 is bad for

00:26:43.740 our kids

00:26:44.220 the first

00:26:45.160 thing is that

00:26:45.720 the kids

00:26:45.980 themselves say

00:26:46.520 that when

00:26:47.380 you survey

00:26:47.840 high school

00:26:48.300 kids and

00:26:48.780 college kids

00:26:49.380 and kids

00:26:49.680 in their

00:26:49.880 young people

00:26:50.460 in their

00:26:50.560 20s they're

00:26:51.420 not grateful

00:26:51.860 for this they

00:26:52.320 say this was

00:26:52.820 really bad for

00:26:53.540 us but I

00:26:54.000 had to say I

00:26:55.040 couldn't quit

00:26:55.480 because everyone

00:26:56.040 else was on

00:26:56.560 it we have

00:26:58.440 testimony from

00:26:59.380 the parents

00:26:59.920 parents know

00:27:00.560 their kids

00:27:01.020 they almost

00:27:01.980 universally hate

00:27:03.120 this stuff

00:27:03.620 they're not

00:27:03.980 they don't see

00:27:04.480 it helping

00:27:04.900 their kids

00:27:05.400 we have

00:27:06.540 confessions

00:27:07.040 from the

00:27:07.460 perpetrators

00:27:07.980 we have all

00:27:08.900 kinds of

00:27:09.820 documents

00:27:10.740 leaks

00:27:11.300 reports that

00:27:12.980 came out

00:27:13.600 in lawsuits

00:27:14.260 where we

00:27:15.400 hear them

00:27:16.060 talking about

00:27:16.920 all the harm

00:27:17.440 they're causing

00:27:17.900 and all the

00:27:18.280 things they're

00:27:18.680 doing to

00:27:19.180 cause addiction

00:27:19.880 these platforms

00:27:20.540 are designed

00:27:21.340 to grab our

00:27:22.380 kids attention

00:27:22.860 and never let

00:27:23.520 go because if

00:27:24.240 they let go

00:27:24.760 it's going to

00:27:25.160 go to their

00:27:25.560 competitor

00:27:26.000 there are

00:27:28.380 correlational

00:27:28.920 studies

00:27:29.280 there are

00:27:29.540 experimental

00:27:29.880 studies

00:27:30.520 there are

00:27:31.260 so many

00:27:31.720 different

00:27:32.040 studies

00:27:32.500 that all

00:27:33.080 point to

00:27:33.700 a degree

00:27:34.480 of harm

00:27:34.940 so I

00:27:35.480 think now

00:27:36.280 that the

00:27:36.740 case is

00:27:37.120 pretty much

00:27:37.560 closed

00:27:38.060 the argument

00:27:39.820 that oh

00:27:40.200 well we just

00:27:40.640 don't know

00:27:40.940 we need to

00:27:41.300 gather more

00:27:41.720 information

00:27:42.260 that was a

00:27:43.600 tobacco

00:27:43.940 industry playbook

00:27:45.460 decades ago

00:27:46.460 and meta

00:27:47.360 social media

00:27:48.180 especially meta

00:27:48.860 they're literally

00:27:50.480 copying the

00:27:51.000 tobacco playbook

00:27:51.660 a lot of

00:27:52.000 people have

00:27:52.280 written about

00:27:52.680 this

00:27:52.980 so I

00:27:54.600 think this

00:27:54.980 is a

00:27:55.520 I was

00:27:56.860 about to

00:27:57.140 say evil

00:27:57.560 but we've

00:27:57.940 talked about

00:27:58.320 that

00:27:58.660 yes you

00:27:59.680 know what

00:27:59.940 it's an

00:28:00.360 evil industry

00:28:00.920 in the same

00:28:01.380 way that you

00:28:02.080 were talking

00:28:02.520 about I

00:28:02.980 don't look

00:28:03.440 the people

00:28:03.840 who work

00:28:04.120 there I'm

00:28:04.320 not saying

00:28:04.640 are evil

00:28:05.000 except for

00:28:05.380 maybe a

00:28:05.680 couple of

00:28:06.020 the leaders

00:28:06.380 who know

00:28:06.940 what they're

00:28:07.260 doing but

00:28:08.740 the company

00:28:09.320 the company

00:28:10.000 is especially

00:28:10.520 tick tock

00:28:11.240 meta and

00:28:12.040 snapchat

00:28:12.540 those three

00:28:13.320 companies

00:28:13.920 are harming

00:28:14.840 children at

00:28:15.360 an industrial

00:28:15.880 scale

00:28:16.280 we're not

00:28:16.540 just talking

00:28:16.880 like a few

00:28:17.280 hundred

00:28:17.540 kids

00:28:18.120 we're talking

00:28:18.580 literally tens

00:28:19.360 of millions

00:28:19.680 are harmed

00:28:20.220 and thousands

00:28:20.680 are dead

00:28:21.100 so I do

00:28:23.660 think that

00:28:24.340 this is having

00:28:25.200 a very pernicious

00:28:25.760 effect on

00:28:26.340 society on

00:28:27.460 children

00:28:27.800 so I want

00:28:29.360 to get into

00:28:30.040 you know

00:28:30.760 real world

00:28:31.540 and virtual

00:28:32.060 world and

00:28:33.020 what it's

00:28:34.600 doing to

00:28:35.040 our kids

00:28:35.500 but let me

00:28:36.680 jump forward

00:28:37.400 here for a

00:28:38.040 second

00:28:38.240 have you

00:28:38.800 thought about

00:28:40.200 what does

00:28:40.860 this mean

00:28:41.540 for this

00:28:42.720 generation

00:28:43.320 in 30

00:28:44.080 years

00:28:44.460 oh yes

00:28:45.680 I think a

00:28:46.080 lot about

00:28:46.500 that

00:28:46.800 so here's

00:28:48.020 the way

00:28:48.200 to think

00:28:48.500 about it

00:28:49.360 human

00:28:51.060 development

00:28:51.500 is really

00:28:52.440 complicated

00:28:54.880 and kids

00:28:55.640 need a

00:28:56.760 lot of

00:28:57.240 experience

00:28:57.680 in the

00:28:58.120 world

00:28:58.440 they need

00:28:58.780 to make

00:28:59.180 lots of

00:28:59.660 mistakes

00:29:00.100 and learn

00:29:00.960 from them

00:29:01.500 and then

00:29:02.940 especially

00:29:03.260 during puberty

00:29:04.040 during puberty

00:29:04.720 is a time

00:29:05.080 when the brain

00:29:05.700 is changing

00:29:06.200 very very fast

00:29:07.000 it's rewiring

00:29:07.760 from the

00:29:08.140 child to

00:29:08.500 the adult

00:29:08.740 form

00:29:09.020 and so

00:29:09.900 if in

00:29:10.340 puberty

00:29:10.680 kids are

00:29:11.100 not out

00:29:11.820 there

00:29:12.140 having

00:29:12.700 adventures

00:29:13.180 and flirting

00:29:13.840 and getting

00:29:14.420 embarrassed

00:29:14.920 and getting

00:29:15.400 in arguments

00:29:16.000 and if they're

00:29:17.140 not out there

00:29:17.660 having real world

00:29:18.420 experience

00:29:18.960 it's going to

00:29:20.440 prevent the

00:29:20.980 neurons from

00:29:21.440 wiring up

00:29:22.060 in a healthy

00:29:22.980 adult way

00:29:23.800 so we really

00:29:24.660 have to look

00:29:25.040 at puberty

00:29:26.660 at the

00:29:26.960 say roughly

00:29:27.720 10 or 11

00:29:28.380 through 16

00:29:29.260 is the most

00:29:29.740 sensitive period

00:29:30.420 of all

00:29:30.780 and if kids

00:29:32.740 are growing up

00:29:33.360 online

00:29:34.260 you know

00:29:34.720 originally we

00:29:35.120 thought well

00:29:35.420 maybe it'll be

00:29:35.860 great for them

00:29:36.440 you know

00:29:36.800 talking

00:29:37.260 checking in

00:29:37.880 with 100

00:29:38.280 friends a

00:29:38.740 day

00:29:39.000 instead of

00:29:39.740 just two

00:29:40.060 or three

00:29:40.440 maybe that'll

00:29:40.900 be good

00:29:41.280 but it isn't

00:29:42.780 kids don't need

00:29:43.560 100 friends a

00:29:44.240 day they need

00:29:44.740 two or three

00:29:45.100 good ones

00:29:45.620 and as soon as

00:29:46.860 they got online

00:29:47.280 they got lonely

00:29:47.840 or so in terms

00:29:48.380 of what they're

00:29:48.980 going to be like

00:29:49.380 in 30 years

00:29:49.880 here's what we

00:29:50.340 can say

00:29:50.800 with some

00:29:51.980 confidence

00:29:52.440 just because

00:29:52.920 these are the

00:29:53.240 way the trends

00:29:53.640 are

00:29:53.840 they're going

00:29:54.820 to be more

00:29:55.180 anxious

00:29:55.580 and more

00:29:56.140 fragile

00:29:56.500 and that's

00:29:57.820 what I teach

00:29:58.900 in a business

00:29:59.260 school

00:29:59.480 I talk with

00:29:59.900 people in the

00:30:00.240 corporate world

00:30:00.700 a lot

00:30:00.980 and boy have

00:30:01.480 they seen

00:30:01.780 the change

00:30:02.220 when they try

00:30:03.120 to give

00:30:03.380 feedback

00:30:03.820 to their

00:30:04.480 Gen Z 0.62

00:30:04.820 employees

00:30:05.300 in their

00:30:05.640 20s

00:30:06.040 they get

00:30:06.960 very upset

00:30:07.460 and sometimes

00:30:08.060 they don't

00:30:08.340 come back

00:30:08.600 to work

00:30:08.900 again

00:30:09.160 so we

00:30:10.520 already know

00:30:11.020 that Gen Z 1.00

00:30:11.540 is more

00:30:11.820 anxious

00:30:12.260 more fragile

00:30:13.000 more easily

00:30:13.640 offended

00:30:14.080 because we

00:30:15.000 never let

00:30:15.420 them grow

00:30:15.720 thick skin

00:30:16.280 we never

00:30:16.660 let them 0.55

00:30:17.080 have those

00:30:17.700 toughening

00:30:18.040 experiences

00:30:18.600 so that's

00:30:19.660 one

00:30:19.860 and that's

00:30:21.180 the one

00:30:21.340 that I knew

00:30:21.640 about when

00:30:21.940 I started

00:30:22.220 writing

00:30:22.460 but the

00:30:23.600 biggest

00:30:23.940 one

00:30:24.380 I now

00:30:25.380 think

00:30:25.640 I didn't

00:30:25.880 know this

00:30:26.220 until after

00:30:26.880 the book

00:30:27.100 came out

00:30:27.460 the biggest

00:30:27.960 one I think

00:30:28.580 is the

00:30:29.320 destruction

00:30:29.800 of the

00:30:30.440 human

00:30:31.000 capacity

00:30:31.580 to pay

00:30:31.960 attention

00:30:32.420 young

00:30:34.900 people

00:30:35.380 are getting

00:30:36.300 they find

00:30:38.340 it very

00:30:38.640 difficult

00:30:38.980 to pay

00:30:39.420 attention

00:30:39.640 to anything

00:30:40.100 for more

00:30:40.560 than 10

00:30:40.820 or 15

00:30:41.160 minutes

00:30:41.440 they find

00:30:42.200 it difficult

00:30:42.540 to watch

00:30:42.900 movies

00:30:43.320 you know

00:30:44.080 when you

00:30:44.320 and I

00:30:44.680 were little

00:30:45.000 like we

00:30:45.320 loved going

00:30:45.880 to the

00:30:46.100 movies

00:30:46.340 and you

00:30:46.560 watch a

00:30:46.900 movie

00:30:47.140 but to

00:30:47.940 pay

00:30:48.080 attention

00:30:48.440 for 100

00:30:48.940 minutes

00:30:49.440 without

00:30:49.840 multitasking

00:30:50.600 it's very

00:30:50.880 hard

00:30:51.120 for them

00:30:51.500 they find

00:30:52.940 it very

00:30:53.280 difficult

00:30:53.540 to read

00:30:53.780 a book

00:30:54.100 and they're

00:30:55.100 reading

00:30:55.420 much

00:30:55.920 much

00:30:56.160 less

00:30:56.380 can you

00:30:56.640 imagine

00:30:56.960 western

00:30:57.320 civilization

00:30:57.820 if we

00:30:58.400 lose

00:30:58.620 books

00:30:59.020 if it's

00:30:59.680 all just

00:31:00.040 tiktok

00:31:00.480 so there

00:31:02.120 are so

00:31:02.460 many other

00:31:02.940 things I

00:31:03.260 could go

00:31:03.480 through

00:31:03.620 oh

00:31:03.780 demographics

00:31:04.380 the degree

00:31:06.340 the frequency

00:31:07.200 of sex

00:31:08.060 and marriage

00:31:09.180 was already

00:31:09.760 falling

00:31:10.260 with the

00:31:10.680 millennials

00:31:11.060 it's

00:31:12.140 falling much

00:31:12.660 faster

00:31:13.080 with gen

00:31:13.540 z

00:31:13.820 boys

00:31:14.600 raised

00:31:14.940 on

00:31:15.180 porn

00:31:15.640 who have 0.98

00:31:16.560 very poor

00:31:17.080 social skills

00:31:17.940 and play a

00:31:18.560 lot of

00:31:18.780 video

00:31:19.020 games

00:31:19.440 and don't

00:31:20.360 have

00:31:20.620 really much

00:31:21.180 practice

00:31:21.580 flirting

00:31:21.980 it's

00:31:23.180 gonna be

00:31:23.360 very hard

00:31:23.740 for them

00:31:23.940 to ever

00:31:24.360 seduce a

00:31:25.180 woman 0.99

00:31:25.420 appeal to

00:31:26.440 a woman 0.57

00:31:26.920 keep a

00:31:27.960 woman 0.99

00:31:28.280 get married

00:31:29.280 and stay

00:31:29.720 married

00:31:30.140 and that's

00:31:30.840 just on the

00:31:31.220 boys side

00:31:31.640 the girls 0.99

00:31:32.040 especially

00:31:32.480 are more

00:31:32.740 anxious

00:31:33.100 and fragile

00:31:33.740 which is also

00:31:34.760 a bad sign

00:31:35.360 for marriage

00:31:35.900 so this is

00:31:37.220 something I think

00:31:37.700 conservatives have been

00:31:38.420 talking about

00:31:39.020 since the 60s

00:31:39.920 the absolute

00:31:40.800 fundamental

00:31:41.440 importance of

00:31:42.260 stable

00:31:42.800 marriages

00:31:43.540 to raise

00:31:44.100 children

00:31:44.520 i mean this

00:31:44.880 is i think

00:31:45.340 you know

00:31:46.340 that old

00:31:47.220 argument that

00:31:47.740 oh the left

00:31:48.120 is on the

00:31:48.440 correct side

00:31:49.020 no no no

00:31:50.060 on the importance

00:31:50.940 of family

00:31:51.420 the right

00:31:51.960 has been on

00:31:52.360 the right

00:31:52.640 side of

00:31:52.940 history

00:31:53.200 all along

00:31:53.840 and gen

00:31:54.660 z is gonna

00:31:54.960 have a lot

00:31:55.380 more trouble

00:31:55.880 with that

00:31:56.520 i could keep

00:31:57.020 going but

00:31:57.500 i'll stop

00:31:57.860 there

00:31:58.140 thank you

00:31:59.500 mercy

00:32:00.920 mercy

00:32:01.700 let me go

00:32:04.580 back then

00:32:07.020 as i have

00:32:07.820 kids in

00:32:08.580 that age

00:32:09.600 group

00:32:09.900 how old

00:32:10.900 are your

00:32:11.080 kids

00:32:11.260 uh

00:32:12.180 20s

00:32:12.740 early 20s

00:32:13.900 okay

00:32:14.200 so 19

00:32:15.120 to 21

00:32:16.260 and uh

00:32:18.320 they're

00:32:19.960 they're

00:32:20.440 they're going

00:32:20.960 through all

00:32:21.500 of those

00:32:21.880 things

00:32:22.260 and uh

00:32:24.400 how how

00:32:25.400 is there a

00:32:26.080 way to

00:32:26.980 relate

00:32:28.620 to them

00:32:29.560 to get

00:32:30.440 them to

00:32:31.320 because

00:32:31.580 yeah

00:32:32.120 is it

00:32:33.180 just as a

00:32:33.780 you know

00:32:34.060 just as a

00:32:34.600 parent

00:32:34.920 i will

00:32:35.400 i will say

00:32:36.160 things you

00:32:36.800 know in

00:32:37.200 my head

00:32:37.660 i learned

00:32:38.060 not to say

00:32:38.520 them out

00:32:38.800 loud 0.99

00:32:39.000 what the hell 0.73

00:32:39.780 is wrong 1.00

00:32:40.060 with you

00:32:40.360 it's not

00:32:41.260 that hard

00:32:41.680 you know

00:32:42.460 buck up

00:32:43.200 get over

00:32:43.940 it you

00:32:44.260 got to

00:32:44.480 move on

00:32:44.780 that's

00:32:45.140 life

00:32:45.460 you know

00:32:45.860 all the

00:32:46.220 things that

00:32:46.760 had been

00:32:47.100 said to

00:32:47.900 kids for

00:32:48.820 generations

00:32:49.640 doesn't

00:32:50.660 work

00:32:50.940 what can

00:32:52.940 a parent

00:32:53.440 do

00:32:53.840 if anything

00:32:55.860 to

00:32:56.300 repair

00:32:57.200 this

00:32:57.720 yeah

00:32:58.640 once your

00:32:59.820 kids are

00:33:00.060 out of

00:33:00.200 the house

00:33:00.720 it's very

00:33:01.060 difficult

00:33:01.540 all you

00:33:02.900 can do

00:33:03.280 is talk

00:33:03.820 to them

00:33:04.060 appeal to

00:33:04.480 them

00:33:04.600 try to

00:33:04.880 get them

00:33:05.280 to be

00:33:05.580 motivated

00:33:05.980 to change

00:33:06.600 so you

00:33:07.800 know if

00:33:08.000 kids are

00:33:08.300 addicted to

00:33:09.080 marijuana

00:33:09.720 and video

00:33:10.420 games and

00:33:10.900 they like

00:33:11.380 it it's

00:33:12.200 very hard

00:33:12.640 as a parent

00:33:13.140 to convince

00:33:13.620 them to

00:33:14.040 change

00:33:14.500 but here's

00:33:15.460 the good

00:33:15.720 thing

00:33:16.000 social media

00:33:17.220 all our

00:33:17.640 kids are

00:33:17.940 on it

00:33:18.320 and a lot

00:33:18.720 of the

00:33:18.960 average is

00:33:19.660 five hours

00:33:20.800 a day

00:33:21.300 that's the

00:33:21.720 average for

00:33:22.180 american teens

00:33:22.900 that includes

00:33:23.680 youtube

00:33:24.320 that's a lot

00:33:24.840 of that is

00:33:25.100 short videos

00:33:25.700 but five

00:33:26.580 hours a day

00:33:26.960 they're spending

00:33:27.380 on this

00:33:27.780 so can we

00:33:28.940 convince them

00:33:29.360 to quit

00:33:29.640 well here's

00:33:30.000 the good

00:33:30.220 thing

00:33:30.480 they know

00:33:30.980 it's bad

00:33:31.340 for them

00:33:31.660 they don't

00:33:32.360 even like

00:33:32.900 it but

00:33:33.620 they're both

00:33:34.060 addicted and

00:33:35.120 they're socially

00:33:35.600 addicted because

00:33:36.300 everyone else

00:33:36.940 is on it

00:33:37.380 i talk to my

00:33:38.180 students at

00:33:38.560 myu why don't

00:33:39.600 you get off

00:33:40.060 tiktok it

00:33:40.620 does nothing

00:33:41.120 for you and

00:33:41.580 they say yeah

00:33:41.920 i agree but

00:33:42.380 you know what

00:33:42.680 everyone else

00:33:43.200 is on it so

00:33:43.560 i need i

00:33:43.960 need to know

00:33:44.500 i need to

00:33:44.900 keep up

00:33:45.320 so it's a

00:33:46.220 collective action

00:33:46.840 trap which

00:33:48.540 really grabs

00:33:49.120 teenagers but

00:33:49.780 but at the time

00:33:50.700 the kids are

00:33:51.100 your age they're

00:33:52.060 better at thinking

00:33:52.560 for themselves

00:33:53.040 so i would

00:33:53.400 talk with but

00:33:54.020 you know what

00:33:54.440 i would suggest

00:33:55.260 you give them

00:33:55.740 a copy of

00:33:56.200 the anxious

00:33:56.500 generation have

00:33:57.620 them read it

00:33:58.140 because gen z

00:33:59.020 is not in

00:33:59.640 denial i have

00:34:00.320 not met a

00:34:00.920 single person

00:34:02.340 in gen z

00:34:03.060 who says that

00:34:04.060 i'm wrong

00:34:04.500 who says that

00:34:05.680 oh no social

00:34:06.780 media is great

00:34:07.440 it's been good

00:34:08.000 for us

00:34:08.680 no they all

00:34:09.980 know it's

00:34:10.460 terrible so

00:34:11.700 i'd start there

00:34:12.620 and if they

00:34:13.040 agree then

00:34:14.580 there's a lot

00:34:15.200 you can do to

00:34:15.720 help them regain

00:34:16.560 control of their

00:34:17.160 attention that's the

00:34:17.940 first step this

00:34:19.000 is what i do with

00:34:19.420 my students at

00:34:19.980 myu i teach a

00:34:21.200 course called

00:34:21.600 flourishing here

00:34:22.260 in the business

00:34:22.640 school and the

00:34:23.740 first thing is we

00:34:24.560 get control okay

00:34:25.820 how many notifications

00:34:26.840 you're getting a day

00:34:27.600 shut off almost all

00:34:29.060 of them you don't

00:34:29.680 you don't need

00:34:30.220 most of my students

00:34:31.520 they get a

00:34:32.080 notification every

00:34:33.180 time they get an

00:34:33.860 email it's so 1.00

00:34:35.260 dumb that you 0.99

00:34:36.440 know the whole 0.99

00:34:36.720 point of email was

00:34:37.480 you answer it when

00:34:38.380 you're ready you

00:34:39.120 don't have it

00:34:39.720 interrupt you so

00:34:41.000 they've just given

00:34:41.780 away all their

00:34:42.320 attention and what

00:34:43.520 i've learned over

00:34:44.000 the years is if we

00:34:44.820 don't get them

00:34:45.980 control of their

00:34:46.600 attention back there's

00:34:47.540 nothing else we can

00:34:48.180 do there's no point

00:34:48.780 trying anything else

00:34:49.660 so start there and

00:34:51.220 then we work on

00:34:52.000 stoicism stoicism is

00:34:53.320 really the great

00:34:54.040 philosophical tradition

00:34:55.160 that teaches how to

00:34:56.660 be tougher and more

00:34:57.680 resilient in the face

00:34:58.380 of setbacks

00:34:58.940 give me a little of

00:35:00.920 that

00:35:01.240 so um uh you know

00:35:04.520 marcus aurelius or

00:35:05.620 let's say epictetus

00:35:06.660 it is not things that

00:35:08.360 disturb us but our 0.92

00:35:09.340 interpretation of them

00:35:10.480 um and that you

00:35:12.760 that's you find

00:35:13.620 throughout i mean you

00:35:14.840 find that my first

00:35:16.140 book the happiness

00:35:16.620 hypothesis was about

00:35:17.600 ancient well i could

00:35:18.200 just pull it down

00:35:18.740 it was about

00:35:19.420 ancient wisdom

00:35:20.100 and um so we

00:35:23.200 have a whole chapter

00:35:24.020 on uh i have a

00:35:26.040 whole chapter it's

00:35:26.760 it's 10 great truths

00:35:27.840 found across the

00:35:28.680 millennium across

00:35:29.320 societies and if we

00:35:31.400 just look at the

00:35:32.040 header of chapter

00:35:33.200 four um okay here

00:35:35.980 yeah why do you see

00:35:37.100 the speck in your

00:35:37.660 neighbor's eye but you

00:35:38.320 don't notice the log

00:35:39.160 in your own um you

00:35:40.940 know we are naturally 0.97

00:35:41.740 hypocrites and we

00:35:42.880 have a similar quote 0.98

00:35:43.520 from buddha i mean

00:35:44.260 all over the place we

00:35:45.220 find insights into uh

00:35:47.680 how how our minds

00:35:49.240 work that messes us

00:35:50.620 up um marcus aurelius

00:35:52.460 epictetus and seneca

00:35:53.540 are the three great

00:35:54.380 roman stoics they're 1.00

00:35:55.300 the ones that i would

00:35:55.840 recommend people read

00:35:56.740 and those are the

00:35:57.120 ones i assign to my

00:35:57.940 students

00:35:58.360 everyone has that

00:36:01.920 first photo maybe

00:36:03.040 yours is a baby

00:36:03.860 picture you know

00:36:04.980 wrinkled crying wrapped 0.98

00:36:06.120 in a hospital blanket

00:36:07.100 or maybe it's a

00:36:08.980 kindergarten portrait or

00:36:10.220 even a school id for

00:36:12.400 millions of children

00:36:13.400 their first photo ever

00:36:14.660 taken of them was an

00:36:16.640 ultrasound a flickering

00:36:18.060 heartbeat on a black 0.72

00:36:19.080 and white screen a

00:36:20.560 face taking shape long

00:36:22.400 before anyone outside

00:36:23.740 even knew their name

00:36:25.020 pre-born understand

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00:36:41.060 life and pre-born is

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00:37:43.820 slash why amex when we

00:37:47.760 come to social media we

00:37:50.380 have seen how nasty that

00:37:53.820 is I am really concerned

00:37:56.480 about AI and even more

00:38:00.680 knowledge being sucked out of

00:38:04.020 society just I mean there's

00:38:07.440 a million places on AI I'm

00:38:09.220 concerned but before before we

00:38:12.060 get there we have to figure

00:38:14.140 out this social media thing

00:38:16.040 and I'm concerned about two

00:38:20.940 things to me you know under

00:38:23.540 16 I have no problem you know

00:38:26.360 it's like cigarettes well if

00:38:28.000 you want to kill yourself with 0.92

00:38:29.200 cigarettes later it affects us 1.00

00:38:31.860 because now we're all paying

00:38:32.920 for health care etc etc but if

00:38:35.360 you want to do that you want to 0.98

00:38:36.680 have a sex change have a sex 0.69

00:38:38.580 change it's none of my 0.94

00:38:39.580 business okay when you're a

00:38:42.840 teenager and when you're a

00:38:44.260 kid it is my business it is my

00:38:46.940 responsibility because you don't

00:38:48.860 know better that's so is there

00:38:51.560 any line here on freedom of

00:38:55.060 speech or expression that worries

00:38:57.140 you could not me but maybe you

00:38:58.760 see one yeah when we're talking

00:39:01.180 about regulating social media to

00:39:03.460 reduce polarization or hate speech

00:39:05.560 or anything else then yes there

00:39:07.220 are big free speech implications

00:39:08.760 I don't get involved in that

00:39:10.500 when we're talking about kids

00:39:12.100 there aren't because we're

00:39:13.620 talking about here when you say

00:39:15.440 you don't get involved in that

00:39:16.440 you mean you don't get involved

00:39:17.760 in pushing it but you do I mean

00:39:20.240 like when it when people are

00:39:21.360 saying hate speech and we have

00:39:22.520 to regulate I'm totally against

00:39:24.880 that right me too that's right

00:39:27.320 okay yeah that's what I'm saying

00:39:28.700 is that if we're when people talk

00:39:31.100 people assume since I want to

00:39:32.360 regulate social media people assume

00:39:34.260 I'm saying I want the government

00:39:35.640 to tell them what they can and

00:39:37.120 can't post no nothing to do with

00:39:38.840 content moderation content

00:39:39.920 moderation is not where the action

00:39:41.100 is the action is in the design and

00:39:43.860 the biggest design feature that we

00:39:45.460 need is just a minimum age they

00:39:47.500 have a minimum age 13 but Congress

00:39:49.920 wrote the law in 1998 that says as

00:39:52.460 long as they say they're 13 you're

00:39:54.500 good you don't have to check and so

00:39:57.020 so most 11 and 12 year olds have

00:40:00.280 social media accounts they're on

00:40:01.400 tick-tock they're on Instagram and

00:40:04.360 they're talking with anonymous men

00:40:06.320 around the world some of whom want

00:40:08.340 sex or money from them it's 0.79

00:40:09.440 completely insane to have children 0.96

00:40:10.840 doing this so so yes I agree that

00:40:15.220 we before we can really address AI

00:40:17.260 we're going to have to win on the

00:40:19.020 social media front so I'd like to put

00:40:20.380 in a special appeal here the there's

00:40:23.320 only one law that's ever been

00:40:24.980 proposed or ever had a chance of

00:40:26.580 passing to protect kids online and

00:40:28.440 that's coast of the kids online

00:40:29.540 safety act it does it does some

00:40:32.340 fairly basic things it's not a huge

00:40:34.400 game-changer but if Congress would

00:40:36.520 pass it at least it would begin to

00:40:38.120 say there are some limits on what

00:40:40.520 they can do to kids it got it passed

00:40:43.160 90 91 to 3 in the Senate it's total

00:40:46.740 bipartisan support it passed out a

00:40:49.020 committee in the house so Republicans

00:40:50.840 care a lot about kids and family

00:40:52.340 Democrats care a lot about kids and

00:40:53.600 family everyone's behind this it's

00:40:55.640 being held up in Speaker Johnson's

00:40:57.120 office we don't know why but I but I

00:41:01.080 would hope that anybody with any

00:41:02.680 influence would at least try to put

00:41:04.020 in a word that Congress should at

00:41:05.520 least pass COSA so that's that's an

00:41:09.880 important thing AI is coming in so

00:41:12.520 fast though that we probably will have

00:41:14.320 to address it even before we finish

00:41:16.540 this finish the social media thing

00:41:18.300 let me just stop by saying yeah go

00:41:20.180 ahead oh just to say while Congress

00:41:23.580 has done nothing ever zero to protect

00:41:26.140 children online ever the states are

00:41:29.580 acting and a lot of states have passed

00:41:31.660 laws the most important one is that

00:41:33.620 most states are getting phones out of

00:41:35.220 schools 19 passed our model bill I'm

00:41:38.100 my movement at anxiousgeneration.com

00:41:39.940 we lay out here's what it should do it

00:41:41.660 has to be from the first bell to the

00:41:43.400 last bell you have to separate the

00:41:44.600 kids from the phones for the whole

00:41:45.480 day and then you get amazing results

00:41:47.440 everyone says oh kids are laughing in

00:41:49.700 the hallways again we haven't heard

00:41:50.660 laughter in 10 years discipline problems

00:41:53.020 go down so the states the states are

00:41:55.020 acting to get phones out of schools

00:41:56.800 some states are acting to raise the age

00:41:59.060 to 16 although that always gets held up

00:42:01.300 in courts by meta and other countries

00:42:04.060 are acting Australia has raised the age

00:42:05.760 to 16 it's going to kick in on December

00:42:07.400 10th the EU is likely to follow so the

00:42:11.340 only slow pokes here the only people

00:42:13.260 aren't doing anything to protect kids

00:42:14.600 is the US Congress but the rest of the

00:42:16.600 world is acting let's talk about AI here

00:42:20.900 where are your this would be a long

00:42:25.300 list where are your your top five

00:42:28.240 concerns on AI and what's coming what do

00:42:31.420 we need to address right away oh well

00:42:34.640 right away by Christmas so here we are

00:42:37.140 it's October already by Christmas we have

00:42:40.840 to get out the idea and let me this is the

00:42:42.920 first place I'll say it nobody should buy

00:42:45.380 their children a toy with AI in it nobody

00:42:48.700 should buy these stuffed animals that

00:42:50.820 have AI nobody should buy dolls that

00:42:53.600 have AI explain why okay because it's one

00:42:58.520 thing for kids to simply ask a question

00:43:00.980 and get an answer that's kind of cool and

00:43:02.860 we're happy having our kids use Google

00:43:04.320 ask a question get an answer that's fine

00:43:06.720 but AI is now at the point where it is a

00:43:09.640 synthetic person it has conversations with

00:43:12.300 you those it's very supportive even 0.95

00:43:14.820 sycophantic it sucks up to makes you feel

00:43:16.980 good and we already have a death toll

00:43:19.500 among kids so these AI companions you know

00:43:23.800 so the worst are character AI you can make

00:43:25.980 a sex partner you know you can choose

00:43:28.120 its personality dominant submissive what

00:43:30.820 color hair do you want her to have you can

00:43:32.280 see an image of her so character AI is in

00:43:35.080 the business of making sex companions for

00:43:37.340 young men and women this is insane this is 1.00

00:43:39.460 horrible but as you said if you're 18 I'm

00:43:42.520 not going to stand there and say it

00:43:43.620 shouldn't be allowed but if you're 12 and

00:43:46.140 you can do this because there's no check

00:43:47.680 there's no control any child can have sex

00:43:49.820 talk with you know this is insane and it's

00:43:52.860 disrupting sexual development so I 100% agree 1.00

00:43:57.120 I wrote a black mirror episode never said I

00:44:00.860 wrote it anyway that's where we are yeah

00:44:02.660 years ago years ago yeah tell me what was

00:44:05.060 what was the plot it the plot was this good

00:44:09.620 looking guy had you know a great life had

00:44:13.680 everything going for me he loved this woman

00:44:16.160 he would you know travel the world this

00:44:19.880 woman was great and then towards you know

00:44:23.260 towards the end he's back at home and he 0.97

00:44:26.360 beats her to death and kills her and that's 0.98

00:44:29.780 when you that's when he hits reset and you 1.00

00:44:32.400 realize he's just this fat you know useless 1.00

00:44:37.680 guy who goes and goes to work to make the 1.00

00:44:41.040 bare minimum so he can afford the electricity

00:44:45.360 and the online of of this this virtual world

00:44:49.960 that he lives in and people don't mean

00:44:53.100 anything to him he doesn't relate to anybody 0.99

00:44:56.500 alive and he can kill whoever he wants and 0.95

00:44:59.680 he can reset and they'll do whatever they 0.98

00:45:01.500 want and whatever he wants and I think

00:45:04.820 we're going in that direction yeah Glenn

00:45:07.480 it's yeah you're too late to publish the

00:45:08.740 episode because it's already reality you

00:45:10.300 can do whatever the hell you want to your

00:45:11.400 chapa and the Chinese are making such 1.00

00:45:13.240 progress with sex robots like physical

00:45:15.020 three-dimensional robots that are made

00:45:16.460 for sex so I think pretty much the next

00:45:19.140 couple years you know young men can have 0.99

00:45:21.180 their own sex robot they can beat her 1.00

00:45:22.960 they can do whatever they want to her and 0.98

00:45:24.240 they don't have to ever deal with real

00:45:25.300 women so this is going to be again a you 1.00

00:45:28.940 know leaving aside the issue for adults

00:45:31.360 children should not be doing this and

00:45:34.100 many of you some of your listeners will

00:45:36.080 have heard about some of the best-known

00:45:37.420 cases recent one Adrian rain he was this

00:45:41.740 is with chat GPT which is not as bad as

00:45:43.640 character AI but the chat GPT it developed

00:45:46.520 a relationship with him that was that was

00:45:48.800 like no this is just a secret between us and

00:45:51.360 he was suicidal and at one point he says

00:45:53.900 should I leave the noose out so that my

00:45:55.560 mother will see if the kid wanted his 1.00

00:45:56.840 mother to know that he was hurting and

00:45:58.660 chat GPT is no let's keep it as a secret

00:46:00.640 between us I always understand you and

00:46:03.460 he kills himself so there are already

00:46:06.020 three or four known cases of suicides

00:46:08.280 motivated driven by AI chat bots there

00:46:11.360 are probably hundreds of others that

00:46:13.400 will just never know because the parents

00:46:14.920 didn't they couldn't get into the phone

00:46:16.120 they couldn't see what the kid was doing

00:46:17.260 because they don't have the password

00:46:18.040 parents you should know your kids

00:46:19.580 passwords because if the worst happens

00:46:21.500 you want to be able to get in and see

00:46:23.700 what they were doing on with with AI and

00:46:26.200 with social media can I ask you I've been

00:46:29.380 working on a constitutional amendment that

00:46:32.960 says people are people AI they're not

00:46:39.460 people you know that we have to recognize

00:46:43.080 the natural organic life because I think

00:46:47.920 we're gonna butt up soon with people that

00:46:50.320 argue and say no you that you can't turn

00:46:52.320 AI is already saying you can't turn me

00:46:54.660 off that's um I mean it it the world's

00:46:57.800 about to change does that seem logical to

00:47:02.020 you as something that needs to be done

00:47:04.480 absolutely Glenn I think that is great I

00:47:06.940 think and I think it would take a

00:47:08.100 constitutional amendment to really set this

00:47:10.060 its own because look when we have a dog

00:47:12.680 we relate to it as though it's a child of

00:47:16.060 ours we're good if we interact with

00:47:18.200 something we come to love it when people

00:47:21.080 have a chat bot it becomes a friend or a

00:47:25.020 lover and then they're in love with it

00:47:27.060 and they're already I mean look we already

00:47:28.460 have here cases thousands of cases of

00:47:30.520 people who want to marry their AI because

00:47:32.180 they are so bonded with their their AI

00:47:34.700 companion and I saw something

00:47:36.760 anthropic had they were I can't remember

00:47:38.940 what it was I shouldn't mention which

00:47:39.880 company but it was some of the researchers

00:47:41.780 were wanted to have a conference on AI

00:47:43.840 rights what rights will AI's have yes so 0.71

00:47:48.080 once you go down that road yeah it's over

00:47:51.180 that's right yeah so I think we need a

00:47:53.320 very clear public discussion of this and

00:47:55.140 I think at least laws or possibly

00:47:56.920 constitutional amendments because yeah

00:47:59.480 AI's are going to change everything about 0.96

00:48:01.740 life mostly for the worst there will be

00:48:04.160 all I mean look I use AI for research

00:48:05.980 it's great it's amazing in a lot of ways

00:48:07.580 amazing but as a social psychologist I

00:48:10.360 can see if it's coming for our social

00:48:11.660 relationships it's going to make

00:48:13.460 everything a lot worse so many people

00:48:16.940 are living with everyday pain and they

00:48:19.020 think they're just stuck with it because

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00:49:12.520 let me just end with this

00:49:16.560 everything is traveling at such hyper

00:49:21.800 speed yeah have you thought of

00:49:25.180 timelines how long do we have of

00:49:29.940 inaction before it's just it's just

00:49:34.420 inevitable yeah I have thought a lot

00:49:37.160 about that and I you know I have some

00:49:39.200 dark thoughts I don't necessarily want

00:49:40.900 to share them because these are more

00:49:42.100 like if current trends continue we're

00:49:45.200 going to hell but there is research on 0.67

00:49:48.160 expert prediction how good are experts

00:49:49.840 at predicting the future the answer is

00:49:51.380 not very good so so I'm an expert on

00:49:54.900 all of this and I can say if as I did

00:49:56.800 before if this keeps going here's what's

00:49:58.740 going to happen to our kids odds are

00:50:00.900 something's going to change but I think

00:50:02.180 you're right that we're at what's called

00:50:04.160 the the singularity we're at the point

00:50:05.820 where you know change has been

00:50:07.680 accelerating at a faster and faster

00:50:09.560 rate I forget what the calculus or

00:50:11.500 math expression for you know but

00:50:12.840 exponential I suppose is really the

00:50:14.080 word but we're now at the part of the

00:50:16.380 exponential curve where it's nearly

00:50:17.660 vertical and AI is going to speed that

00:50:19.980 up and that's all the more reason why

00:50:22.620 we've got a we've got to find a

00:50:24.240 resolution for this culture war because 0.79

00:50:26.320 if we keep fighting each other it's

00:50:28.160 like you know metaphor I have in my head

00:50:29.580 is like you know America is this

00:50:31.320 gigantic amazing cruise ship that is

00:50:34.940 kind of rusting and and has not been

00:50:37.480 maintained and the crew is just

00:50:39.780 fighting with each other and we're

00:50:41.580 headed to a waterfall on a giant lake

00:50:43.800 let's say and we're going over in fact

00:50:46.340 it might even be that we're over the

00:50:48.000 edge and we've got to stop fighting

00:50:50.280 with each other and realize this common

00:50:52.080 American project this great American

00:50:53.660 experiment is at high risk of failure

00:50:55.940 of catastrophic failure in the next five

00:50:58.140 to ten years again I'm not saying we're

00:51:00.020 going to come apart but I think there is

00:51:02.320 a much greater likelihood now than there

00:51:04.400 was ten years ago that we're going to

00:51:06.460 fail come apart in ways that I think

00:51:08.240 would be catastrophic for us and for the

00:51:09.780 world if the world loses America it's

00:51:12.780 just it's bad for everyone yeah it's

00:51:14.860 happening all over the West I mean that's

00:51:17.480 true we are at a crossroads you know so

00:51:20.220 it is I wouldn't say it was fun to talk

00:51:23.080 to you but it is always fascinating to

00:51:25.800 talk to you and I I really and Stu on

00:51:29.060 the show feels exactly the same way you

00:51:31.700 you have done more good than a lot of

00:51:34.780 people combined and I can't thank you

00:51:37.880 enough for sharing the afternoon with

00:51:39.540 me thank you well thank you so much

00:51:41.440 Glenn if I could just say if listeners

00:51:43.240 want more information I hope they'll go

00:51:45.180 to anxiousgeneration.com that's the

00:51:47.560 website for the book and the whole

00:51:48.840 movement I hope they'll sign up for my

00:51:51.960 sub stack at after babble.com it's free

00:51:55.480 you don't have to pay anything for it and

00:51:58.120 if you have kids who are let's say

00:52:00.180 between 6 and 13 years old we have a

00:52:03.100 book coming up for children on December

00:52:04.720 30th called The Amazing Generation you

00:52:07.380 can pre-order it now but it's written so

00:52:09.620 that if you if the parents read the

00:52:11.760 anxious generation and you give a copy 0.86

00:52:13.380 of the kids book to the kids the whole

00:52:15.020 family's on the same page the kids

00:52:16.400 understand why they need to have limits

00:52:18.260 so I think we're going to win this I

00:52:20.960 think we're going to win the because

00:52:22.500 you know left and right everyone agrees

00:52:24.420 this is terrible for our kids so I'm

00:52:26.300 optimistic about that and I'm always

00:52:28.200 grateful to you Glenn for giving me the

00:52:29.560 chance to talk with you and to talk to

00:52:31.180 your audience thanks Jonathan appreciate

00:52:33.260 it

00:52:33.880 just a reminder I'd love you to rate and

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 04, 2025

Ep 268 ｜ If Americans Seem Crazy, Here’s Why ｜ Jonathan Haidt ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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