The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 27 ｜ Bob Goff ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 If you could be anybody in the world, from any time period, whatever, who would you be?

00:00:19.560 I think you would be on my top three people.

00:00:25.380 Oh man, I'm honored to hear that.

00:00:27.320 But yeah, I just think this, it's just, life is just so interesting, isn't it?

00:00:32.220 Yes, it is.

00:00:32.860 I'm just so glad we get to be back together again.

00:00:35.140 And your, somebody asked you if you could write your autobiography in six words, you said.

00:00:42.420 Yeah.

00:00:43.220 Remember?

00:00:43.500 What if we weren't afraid?

00:00:45.480 How powerful is that?

00:00:48.900 Yeah.

00:00:49.560 Because I think most of the stuff that drives everything you and I and the people listening do, it's either love or fear.

00:00:55.700 We just got to figure out who we're giving the keys to every day.

00:00:58.700 Right.

00:00:59.300 Right.

00:00:59.940 So I want to come back and how you get to that philosophy.

00:01:04.320 But first, for anybody who doesn't know you, let's start with you're an attorney.

00:01:11.080 Yeah.

00:01:11.360 Isn't that crazy?

00:01:12.100 Yeah.

00:01:13.600 You're like the happiest attorney I think I've ever met.

00:01:16.400 Yeah.

00:01:16.740 So I'm saying I put on this Mickey Mouse watch probably 30 years ago and say, you ever walk into a room and you feel like you're the only guy smiling?

00:01:23.420 I'm like, buddy, me and you.

00:01:26.600 Let's do this thing.

00:01:28.720 All right.

00:01:29.460 So you're an attorney, but you found yourself somehow or another becoming general counsel or counsel.

00:01:38.620 What is it exactly?

00:01:40.260 Honorary counsel for Uganda.

00:01:42.840 Isn't that crazy?

00:01:43.780 So tie it from you're just a practicing attorney to now who you are.

00:01:52.080 How did you thread that?

00:01:53.140 How did that happen?

00:01:54.180 Yeah.

00:01:54.460 Well, you know, first of all, claim to fame is like husband to sweet Maria Goff and dad to these three amazing children.

00:02:00.580 Um, but just like, uh, all the people, uh, let's see, you know, one thing leads to another.

00:02:06.280 So, uh, I have a capability, so it's like practicing law, but we aren't just limited by what we're capable of.

00:02:13.480 You say like, what are some things that will actually light my passions?

00:02:16.840 And so then those started taking me, uh, to some people, Uganda at the time was in a great big civil war, 25 year civil war.

00:02:23.960 And I thought, well, I could help out, maybe do something.

00:02:26.800 So I just headed for the courthouse.

00:02:28.620 I met some judges.

00:02:30.140 We started doing some things.

00:02:31.580 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:02:32.780 You headed for the courthouse in Uganda.

00:02:35.080 I just figured that's where the.

00:02:36.600 Yeah, totally.

00:02:37.580 Right.

00:02:37.960 That's, that's, most people don't get on the plane.

00:02:41.660 I know somebody who, and he changed my life.

00:02:45.300 Um, he was watching the news and he saw these Christians being persecuted in Syria and Iraq and the Yuzidis and everybody else.

00:02:52.500 And he said, I can help out.

00:02:55.380 And he got on a plane and he found himself in Iraq and we started a, a, a, a fund together.

00:03:03.120 And we've, we've rescued all these people over in Iraq and Syria and we building houses for them.

00:03:09.180 And, and, but it's crazy because if you think about it, you don't do it.

00:03:15.200 You don't do it.

00:03:16.360 You say, I'm not going to get on a plane and go to Iraq.

00:03:19.300 I don't know anybody in Iraq.

00:03:20.560 I don't know anybody in Uganda.

00:03:22.480 What am I going to do?

00:03:23.660 I don't even know what language they speak.

00:03:26.540 Yes.

00:03:27.200 The queen's English.

00:03:28.240 Isn't it crazy?

00:03:28.700 With a little bit of an accent, but, but that, that whole idea is, um, uh, getting away from asking for permission to live your life.

00:03:37.180 If you have permission, some, if we have agency over the things that we do, you just say, what's a passion.

00:03:43.100 And is that in within my ability to do it?

00:03:45.820 And then you just start.

00:03:47.200 And I love that everybody's wired so wonderfully different.

00:03:50.060 You know, there's some people like plan it all.

00:03:52.580 And I'm more like build the plane while you're flying it.

00:03:55.280 Um, and I really believe this life is more adventure than it is business trip.

00:03:59.880 Imagine Glenn, if you and I were driving down the road and our left rear wheel passed us in the fast lane, that'd make a lousy business trip, but it'd be an awesome adventure.

00:04:10.200 And so I think one of the things that, uh, I've been doing is where there's an opportunity and you see something, you say like, actually I could get some skin in that game and just go be humble about it.

00:04:20.940 Say like, I don't have much, but I'm available.

00:04:24.360 Um, and so bring all the availability you've got.

00:04:27.200 And, and then what you'll do is that you'll find this opportunity.

00:04:31.180 We'll find this passion.

00:04:32.560 And now you got a ball game.

00:04:33.780 That's why you started this idea.

00:04:35.980 You said we could do a fun.

00:04:37.140 We could, uh, take a passion that you have, meet an opportunity and just see where it goes.

00:04:43.360 So we found an, and, and I found it bizarre that people who had absolutely no experience in any of it, none of it, none of us knew what we were doing.

00:04:57.400 All of a sudden, when we realized nobody was doing it, we're like, well, somebody's got to do it.

00:05:02.640 But most people in most times you, you wait for permission or you look for someone who's already doing it.

00:05:12.740 And you say, I get, can I join you?

00:05:16.160 And then you wait for them to give you permission to do the things that they're telling you to do.

00:05:21.380 So are there two kinds of people?

00:05:25.640 Are there the people who are those kinds of people that should do that?

00:05:30.600 And then there are people like you who are just like, no, I'm, I got my own machete.

00:05:34.800 I'm just going out into the jungle.

00:05:36.820 Yeah.

00:05:37.300 Isn't that interesting?

00:05:38.300 And there's all those variations in between, uh, like kind of like riffing, uh, uh, on, uh, these personality types.

00:05:45.240 Have you been, uh, like read the Enneagram and learned about these personality types?

00:05:49.520 It's really fascinating.

00:05:51.260 Um, there's a one type would be a seven and I'm the enthusiast. 0.71

00:05:55.880 I'm just a flaming seven.

00:05:58.580 I'm just like, uh, I'm always thinking what could possibly go wrong.

00:06:03.140 Right.

00:06:03.660 Just like, let's do it.

00:06:04.920 Fail trying.

00:06:05.540 Don't fail.

00:06:05.960 Watch it.

00:06:06.760 Uh, another one would be a one.

00:06:08.540 It's the organizer.

00:06:09.640 We have some in our family who are just very detailed.

00:06:11.960 And, and so just wonderfully just figure out how you were hardwired from the factory and

00:06:16.920 then live into that.

00:06:17.660 But I wouldn't live in fear back to the original idea.

00:06:20.720 Don't live in fear.

00:06:21.660 I mean, the disciples, those guys got the nets on the wrong side of the boat most of the

00:06:25.320 time and they changed the world.

00:06:27.060 Right.

00:06:27.220 And so what'd you say?

00:06:28.020 Like, I'm just going to fail.

00:06:29.660 Try and we'll just see where it happens.

00:06:31.360 I'll bring all the capability I have and where it finds an opportunity.

00:06:34.860 Now you've got a game.

00:06:37.600 What do you think?

00:06:40.180 The world seems to be going just rushing towards fear right now, just rushing towards fear.

00:06:47.780 You're afraid of everything.

00:06:49.200 And some of it's real.

00:06:51.700 Um, some of it's not, uh, some of it's overblown.

00:06:56.160 You, there's stuff that you're like, I can't do anything.

00:06:58.900 I can't do anything about that.

00:07:00.360 You know?

00:07:01.560 Um, and that is causing more and more frustration.

00:07:04.860 How does somebody, for instance, if you're concerned about the direction of things, okay,

00:07:10.860 the direction of people or society or culture, and you, you don't want to unplug because

00:07:18.340 you feel like, well, I mean, I, somebody's gotta be in there and stand in guard, but you

00:07:24.720 can't really do anything.

00:07:26.780 I mean, is it better to unplug?

00:07:28.960 And I mean, how do you talk about the circle around you, your sir, your oval office?

00:07:35.280 Yeah.

00:07:35.500 Yeah.

00:07:35.900 Beautiful.

00:07:36.800 Um, uh, imagine this best way to describe it.

00:07:39.940 Imagine you and I are down in the Caribbean and we're in the water, uh, like waist deep

00:07:44.920 and it's beautiful and warm and all that.

00:07:46.820 And swimming at you is a huge fin.

00:07:50.420 Would you say that's a shark or a dolphin?

00:07:52.620 What do you think?

00:07:54.280 Uh, I would hope it was a dolphin, but, uh, probably say that it's a shark.

00:07:59.600 Yeah.

00:07:59.760 So if you say to your listeners, some would say definitely dolphin, my wife, sweet Maria

00:08:04.800 golf.

00:08:05.100 She wouldn't say that's one shark.

00:08:06.800 She'd say that's a thousand sharks and the other 999 or a, because I'm the enthusiast,

00:08:13.960 even if it was a shark, I'd say dolphin with a lot of teeth.

00:08:17.960 Just like, come on.

00:08:19.680 So figure out what's keeping you out of the water.

00:08:22.080 And if it's wisdom that you've gained through experience and all that, then that's terrific.

00:08:26.540 But it's fear that I'd get back in the water.

00:08:29.480 I would say what's keeping you out.

00:08:30.840 And so if you take a social issue, something that's captivated people's attention to say,

00:08:35.920 is it fear that's keeping me away from that?

00:08:37.740 Or is it wisdom?

00:08:39.080 Um, I, one of the things that I do is I, I win arguments for a living as do you, but

00:08:46.420 I, I, I'm really picky about the things I argue with people about.

00:08:49.960 I'm just trying to be actually a little bit more humble about things to just say, to be

00:08:55.480 curious to say, I wonder where that's coming from.

00:08:57.420 And to be curious about the people that are sending the messages.

00:09:00.500 There's a guy that calls me about every three weeks from the back of my book.

00:09:03.920 And he just cusses at me.

00:09:06.540 I thought I knew all the cuss words, but evidently there's new ones and we've never gotten to

00:09:11.160 what he's mad about, but I finished the conversation with him the same way.

00:09:14.720 Every time I say, I will always take your call because I'm not trying to be right.

00:09:20.040 I'm just want to be like Jesus to the guy.

00:09:22.240 I want to be, I look at the way these people that have shaped history, take all the leaders

00:09:26.620 that have influenced, uh, you and all the listeners and to just say, how did they deal

00:09:31.180 with people?

00:09:31.600 And they weren't shouting at people.

00:09:33.580 So I'm just not going to be that guy.

00:09:35.020 The only time I raised my voice is when I'm yodeling and I've never yodeled.

00:09:40.240 So, so let's go to, let's go to Jesus for a second.

00:09:43.380 I find it fascinating.

00:09:48.040 Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Lincoln, they all used Jesus stuff.

00:09:55.540 Okay.

00:09:55.780 They were all doing Jesus stuff.

00:09:57.620 They were all just love your enemy.

00:09:59.600 Just love them.

00:10:00.160 Just love them.

00:10:00.700 Just love them.

00:10:01.220 Just love them.

00:10:02.240 Um, and all of the Christians, it seems right now, when you say, 0.91

00:10:11.940 let's talk to our enemy.

00:10:15.980 Let's love our enemy.

00:10:17.920 Let's be kind to our enemy.

00:10:20.140 Don't hit back. 0.83

00:10:22.920 Everyone says, Christians, that's crazy.

00:10:27.620 And you're like, wait, but isn't that what Jesus said to do?

00:10:31.080 So there's a disconnect between what we believe, or maybe it's a disconnect between us and Jesus.

00:10:38.720 We think that's okay for Jesus, but it won't work for me.

00:10:41.940 But wasn't that his message?

00:10:43.940 It will work.

00:10:45.080 And isn't the proof in the pudding with all of the great men that have lived that it does work?

00:10:50.920 I think you nailed it.

00:10:52.280 I think there's a lot of people that have awesome doctrine and lousy theology.

00:10:56.460 And this idea of, it's easy to say to love your enemy until you have an enemy.

00:11:01.360 Yeah.

00:11:01.660 Until you have somebody that you feel disconnected.

00:11:03.240 I don't feel like I have enemies, but there's certainly people that are difficult for me to be around.

00:11:08.000 One of the realizations that I've had is that this idea of loving difficult people that I'm one of them actually among the difficult people in other people's lives.

00:11:18.440 And I'm trying to say, how could I interact with people?

00:11:23.200 There's a, for some people in faith communities, they're familiar with a verse that talks about like being ready to make a defense for the hope that's within you.

00:11:30.800 And everybody wants to like grab their swords and what they leave out the second half.

00:11:36.240 And it said to do with kindness and respect.

00:11:38.780 And I think there's something beautiful about that.

00:11:41.180 Like take Switzerland.

00:11:42.160 They're not mad at anybody and I'm not mad at them.

00:11:46.100 So I, if you could just walk around with a bobsled and a bar of chocolate, you can decide who you are in.

00:11:53.500 Everybody's trying to decide what role am I playing in this?

00:11:56.320 And I think there's a tremendous latitude in that, but I just, the role of grace, the idea of when people just been kind to me, even when I've been wrong, that they just care more about our relationship than they do about winning an argument about something.

00:12:11.580 And there's something really respectful.

00:12:13.160 What has helped me with the people that like creep me out the most is to try to think of what is it that's driving this?

00:12:20.580 Like what's the thing underneath the thing?

00:12:22.800 And oftentimes it's just that they're really insecure.

00:12:26.360 Me too.

00:12:27.500 Like, uh, how do you respond when you get insecure, uh, in a setting?

00:12:32.060 Like, how do you deal with that?

00:12:34.080 I get really funny.

00:12:35.020 I get like, just, I get so, I start talking really fast and I get funnier and funnier than other people get mean as a rattlesnake.

00:12:42.840 So how do you deal with your feeling?

00:12:44.820 You get quiet and reserved.

00:12:46.500 You go turtle on that, like head, legs, tail, everything.

00:12:51.360 And so that even in our relationships that matter the most to us to just say, how do you deal with that?

00:12:57.280 And to say, how are we like, uh, going to react to people?

00:13:02.380 You know what I wear?

00:13:03.460 I'm muttering.

00:13:04.520 I remember those things from the seventies.

00:13:06.560 My wife's got one too. 0.99

00:13:08.040 And there's something actually beautiful.

00:13:09.400 What we do is we talk about, uh, how we feel more than what we want.

00:13:13.900 It would be an interesting experiment.

00:13:15.480 Try that for a week to take the people that you love the most and say, don't say, I want to hammer.

00:13:20.580 Say, I'm feeling hungry.

00:13:22.440 If we could get in touch with how we're feeling about something, I'm not a touchy feely guy, but that has been so helpful in my relationships to just talk about, I'm feeling really insecure right now.

00:13:32.740 So let's talk the, let's talk about the difference here between feelings and facts, because we are entering a world now where feelings are all that matters.

00:13:43.020 I feel as though you're oppressing me.

00:13:46.180 I feel as though you are whatever.

00:13:48.480 Well, that may be the way you feel, but that may not be reality.

00:13:54.400 You know, I feel that I'm, uh, an Eagle.

00:13:57.540 Well, you're not an Eagle.

00:13:59.120 And I appreciate that you feel that way.

00:14:01.280 And I can be kind to you and, and appreciate where you're coming from, but you're not an Eagle. 0.99

00:14:07.280 So can you talk at all about separating?

00:14:10.680 Cause when people say, well, let's talk about feelings, that part of that, that, or the abuse of that is where we are falling apart.

00:14:22.140 Yeah.

00:14:22.400 I would say, uh, and maybe another camera angle on this would say, what are the things you're certain about?

00:14:27.480 And what are you just guessing about?

00:14:28.800 And if we could just say, these are a couple of things that I'm certain about, and these are a couple of things I'm just guessing about, then the things that you're certain about, is it because you are feeling certain about that or that you have a base?

00:14:41.060 Like, where does that come from?

00:14:42.660 Where is that coming from?

00:14:43.480 And you don't do that in, uh, being an antagonist to say, where's that come from?

00:14:49.460 Well, my parents told me that, well, that's terrific, but your parents might be flat wrong.

00:14:53.820 So to say, what are you certain from?

00:14:55.540 And where did that come from?

00:14:56.560 Um, that's actually a beautiful discussion because you're actually more interested in the person than the position.

00:15:02.540 Yeah.

00:15:03.160 Um, because if say, well, what's your position on, like, you don't have to swing at every pitch.

00:15:08.700 Like when people ask me, somebody called me up, they wanted to know what my position on was, uh, what's my position on wrath?

00:15:17.400 Honey, I just haven't even thought about it, but if you want to meet some really weird people, go Google that and make a couple of calls.

00:15:23.280 Right.

00:15:23.780 So we don't have to take a position.

00:15:25.540 And there's some thing that crept in that probably wasn't true when there was, uh, you know, our forefathers that we need to have a position on everything to say, like, to say what I'm interested in is developing my character.

00:15:39.440 I want to be a guy that says something and then does that thing.

00:15:43.340 I want to be a person that takes a genuine interest in the people around him.

00:15:47.300 That was like lifted right from Paul talking about this young guy named Timothy.

00:15:51.040 He said, there's nobody like him.

00:15:52.980 He takes a genuine interest in the people around it.

00:15:55.680 That's the guy I want to be.

00:15:56.720 Uh, and so there's something when somebody has a really strong position on whatever big social issue of the day is, then to take a genuine interest then in them, instead of just saying like, well, no, I need to convince you that ain't going to work.

00:16:09.680 I mean, I've never lost a case and it's not because I'm an awesome lawyer.

00:16:14.540 I'm an awesome picker.

00:16:15.460 I only pick picker picker.

00:16:17.900 Yeah.

00:16:18.220 I don't lose.

00:16:19.000 I only take cases that nobody could lose.

00:16:20.980 And so, so there's one of these things that just be a little bit pickier about the conversations that you're having with people.

00:16:27.760 And when you see this, say like, you know what?

00:16:29.840 I wouldn't trade our friendship for the trajectory of this.

00:16:33.480 And I don't, you don't have to work for NASA to know the trajectory of where this is going.

00:16:37.360 Say that wouldn't be worth it.

00:16:39.420 Um, you'll know that I am disinterested when I start talking about sports.

00:16:43.680 But if you know why you're doing, you will not see me very often without wearing a Boston Red Sox hat.

00:16:52.160 And, uh, I'm not a Red Sox fan, never even gone to a game, but my neighbor, Carol was a huge Red Sox fan.

00:16:59.700 And she, we knew she was going to be in heaven by the end of the weekend.

00:17:02.600 So we made a deal.

00:17:04.000 I told her, Carol, I'll wear your Red Sox hat for the rest of my life and represent the Sox here on earth.

00:17:09.820 But in exchange, every time Jesus walks by you, you need to mention my name.

00:17:16.280 There's a verse that said, I knew you not.

00:17:18.240 I'm like, Carol, but here's the deal.

00:17:20.720 When I go through New York, people hiss at me and they just be like, cause they're rooting for the other team, evidently.

00:17:26.720 And if they knew that I was wearing my dead neighbor's hat, they would just actually have a different angle on that thing.

00:17:34.280 And I don't stop people to tell them the backstory, but I think if I could just assume in people that I don't understand, there's probably mountains of stuff going on there that I don't know about.

00:17:45.680 That'd be really helpful.

00:17:46.880 20 years ago, I remember when, I think it was the Bush administration, it was right after 9-11.

00:18:11.260 And the White House issued a statement that you have to watch your neighbor and report on your neighbor.

00:18:18.700 Oh, yikes.

00:18:19.360 Yeah.

00:18:19.680 And I thought, no, no, that's really bad.

00:18:22.900 The thing that we've always been, the one thing unique about America is that we generally trust each other and we generally like each other.

00:18:31.780 And we're just like, I don't, you know, you do your thing, I'll do my thing.

00:18:35.020 And, you know, we'll meet over the fence and just leave it alone where other countries have been made paranoid because they've gone through times where you couldn't trust neighbor.

00:18:46.980 You didn't know who was working for what government or whatever.

00:18:50.020 And we've kind of come to this place to where families aren't talking to each other and neighbors and friends and somebody says one thing on Facebook that I believe this and they're defriended and it's awful.

00:19:08.260 Are we, is this just amplified because of social media?

00:19:15.940 Are we getting worse?

00:19:17.380 Are we getting better?

00:19:19.440 How, how, how do we navigate these days?

00:19:23.520 Maybe just assuming that you don't know what's going on behind the thing.

00:19:28.580 Like you don't know the guy under the hat.

00:19:30.580 You just see the hat and you think it represents something.

00:19:33.400 Uh, and then to realize that there's this person underneath the hat and to take a genuine interest in them to say, Hey, tell me about that.

00:19:40.860 What are you certain about?

00:19:41.660 What are you guessing about?

00:19:43.000 And say, these are the three things I'm certain about.

00:19:45.360 And then instead of challenging that to say like, wow, where did that come from?

00:19:49.520 You know, to say, and it's not a deposition because I've taken thousands of those, but to say, just take a genuine interest in that.

00:19:55.600 Like, wow, where did that go?

00:19:57.480 The three things that you're certain about.

00:19:59.520 Oh, I'm certain about my faith.

00:20:00.980 Uh, not because I read in a book, I'm supposed to be certain about my faith.

00:20:04.460 And I couldn't tell you quantitatively.

00:20:06.580 I saw a star or a, you know, a dove came down.

00:20:10.900 I would say like, no, I'm just certain about it.

00:20:13.080 Everything I see validates these suspicions that I had about faith.

00:20:17.120 I'm certain about my family.

00:20:18.640 I'm just like positive that I love those guys.

00:20:21.100 And then I've got about eight friends.

00:20:23.520 You know, they, on our last day here, we're going to about have room for eight people around our bed.

00:20:28.240 Nine if they're thin, but like, say like, I'm certain about my friendship with about eight people that they would be there for me.

00:20:35.740 They don't care what my faith looks like.

00:20:38.600 They don't care what my family looks like.

00:20:40.360 They care what it is.

00:20:41.580 And they're not calling me out on stuff.

00:20:43.820 They're just loving me.

00:20:45.120 They're, they're with me.

00:20:46.480 They're with me.

00:20:47.240 They're with me.

00:20:47.860 There's something beautiful about that.

00:20:49.660 If you could just find out a couple of things that you're certain about, then some of the things that are distracting us won't distract us as much.

00:20:57.700 I just go like, I don't know, man, I got these three things that I'm pretty sure of.

00:21:01.000 And then to say, I'm guessing about these other things, but it's an informed guess.

00:21:06.160 It's informed by knowing that I have certain biases that are coming into that and to try to identify what those are.

00:21:13.000 But what happens sometimes is we avoid all the difficult people and they're not dangerous people.

00:21:19.800 They're just difficult.

00:21:20.620 But we're seeing sharks when I see just insecure dolphins, because insecure dolphins, if they're insecure enough, they look like dangerous people.

00:21:29.100 And they're actually, they're just dealing with their own stuff.

00:21:33.060 And that isn't this like a soft, like, you know, touchy feely kind of thing.

00:21:37.500 But just assume that there's more going on in their life than you would assume.

00:21:42.100 I have found, at least with politicians and celebrities, there are a lot like puffer fishes.

00:21:48.880 The more insecure they are, the bigger they pop.

00:21:53.440 Oh, isn't that true?

00:21:54.980 That's really true.

00:21:56.200 There was apparently there's some TED talk out there.

00:21:58.700 I was speaking at some place and there was this woman stretching her hands and they grew up to the ceiling. 0.96

00:22:05.020 I'm like, oh, honey, are you OK?

00:22:06.960 She said, I'm trying to get big.

00:22:08.760 She's like five foot six.

00:22:11.880 But I've actually I'm trying to get small.

00:22:15.520 Like I'm actually not trying to get big.

00:22:18.120 I'm trying to get small because I don't want to be like this huge presence.

00:22:22.540 So there's no room for anybody else.

00:22:24.400 And I think that idea you can tell people when they're humble, when they enter into conversations, kind of palms up.

00:22:31.660 Look at the difficult topics that you take on.

00:22:34.760 And the people have all kinds of opinions about you.

00:22:38.200 And and that takes a lot of courage to do that.

00:22:41.260 And you need to be willing to be misunderstood.

00:22:44.160 Like I get misunderstood all the time.

00:22:46.280 I bet you do.

00:22:46.780 Because people are trying to think, well, you're trying to like you're this, you're this, you're this.

00:22:50.580 And you can be misunderstood and just like Jesus was misunderstood.

00:22:54.280 They killed him.

00:22:55.300 But would say, like, what if you're just get comfortable with the fact that living our lives will be constantly being misunderstood?

00:23:04.600 And and that doesn't make everybody the enemy.

00:23:07.120 It just makes them just either insecure dolphins that look like sharks.

00:23:11.100 Right.

00:23:11.480 People that don't know the guy underneath the hat.

00:23:13.600 They don't know why I'm doing what I'm doing.

00:23:15.200 But in today's world, though, that's really frightening.

00:23:21.800 I mean, I I know people now who are younger, who are starting on the same, you know, kind of, you know, journey that I was on, you know, 15 years ago of just starting to come into the public eye and and they have an opinion.

00:23:36.840 And the first thing I say is, if I could go back and tell myself one thing, and that is always, always be humble with what you say.

00:23:50.980 Stop speaking with such authority.

00:23:53.620 You know what I mean?

00:23:54.360 Because it's just you.

00:23:55.540 But other than other than that, people now are starting to come and it's hard to say, oh, yeah, no, go do that.

00:24:08.160 I mean, it's that's what I say.

00:24:10.220 But I always say to them, are you prepared for what it's going to be like?

00:24:17.180 Because.

00:24:18.860 It's and it's happening down to people who are just regular people.

00:24:23.720 You know, I don't know if you saw the Covington story with the kids that were up on the yes.

00:24:30.240 Well, you talked about, you know, you're wearing a hat and somebody misjudges you.

00:24:36.140 Nobody knew about that kid.

00:24:38.200 Nobody, nobody, nobody even went and watched the whole video.

00:24:41.760 That kid's life is now forever changed, forever changed.

00:24:47.540 And if he's if he's who I hope he is, think he is, it'll be changed for the good.

00:24:54.440 And he will be able to use that and find good things that that can come out of that.

00:25:01.980 But.

00:25:04.280 Most people don't want to go through that.

00:25:06.340 They don't want their family to go through that.

00:25:08.220 They just would rather just I got to be quiet.

00:25:10.620 I'm just gonna be quiet.

00:25:11.440 And that adds to missing out on everything you're supposed to do.

00:25:17.800 Yeah.

00:25:18.100 And it's and then so what thing that could happen is that we actually, you know, this idea of guarding your heart.

00:25:25.580 That's just it's a beautiful proverb for 23 to guard your heart above all else.

00:25:30.020 But we don't need to lock ourselves inside the vault.

00:25:32.240 And there's some people in whether they're faith communities or other communities that are getting inside the vault and closing the door to say that isn't guarding your heart.

00:25:41.300 That's isolating yourself.

00:25:43.180 And so what's the parable of the talents?

00:25:44.940 It's just, yeah, totally, man.

00:25:46.200 Don't bury that thing.

00:25:47.120 Let's go out and like make some moves.

00:25:49.300 And there's something beautiful.

00:25:50.560 And you don't need to be making everybody else's moves.

00:25:53.700 Like keep your eye on your own paper.

00:25:55.900 Like my wife famously just tells me that all the time. 1.00

00:25:59.360 I'm not trying to be like her and she's not trying to be like me.

00:26:02.980 We're just saying, how could we reflect in this marriage into the world?

00:26:06.940 These beautiful things that we think are going to outlast all of us.

00:26:10.940 And that's been beautiful.

00:26:12.180 When we got married, they said the two will become one.

00:26:14.900 And she thought we were going to become her.

00:26:19.120 She's like so different.

00:26:20.760 I get around people.

00:26:22.220 I'm like people.

00:26:23.460 She thinks having me in the room is a lot of people.

00:26:25.600 She's like, nice.

00:26:26.580 But there's something beautiful when we try to be like other people or to take on their issues.

00:26:36.480 That's where it gets murky.

00:26:38.080 Or when we try to fix people, like just sort them out.

00:26:41.760 I would say like, dude, you don't have the toolkit for that.

00:26:44.560 Even just trying to, you know, I have found because I do some self-reflection, the biggest mistakes that I have ever made is when I'm trying to convince someone that they're right or wrong or misguided.

00:27:02.240 And that doesn't work.

00:27:04.960 It just doesn't work.

00:27:06.600 You know, it's this, and this is need is growing with people.

00:27:11.780 This need to win.

00:27:14.100 Yes.

00:27:14.680 No, just don't drop.

00:27:16.960 If you can drop the need to win and replace it with the need to listen.

00:27:23.420 When you can do this with kindness, though, to ask probing questions, which is what you do to ask a probing question to say, where does, where does that come from?

00:27:32.000 What are you thinking?

00:27:32.640 And you can do that with kindness and say, like, what do you think?

00:27:35.340 Prove it.

00:27:36.480 We don't need to cop the attitude.

00:27:39.800 What you can do is to say, I'm really, I'm curious about that.

00:27:42.840 Tell me where that came from.

00:27:43.720 Is that a feeling?

00:27:44.960 Was that something you learned from your parents?

00:27:47.060 Is that something you read somewhere?

00:27:49.740 Why was that among all the things you could be compelling to you?

00:27:54.220 Why did that get your attention?

00:27:55.600 So this is, I go back to our original question, and maybe I can ask it in a way that you'll answer with more than just, I guess, the facts.

00:28:10.460 How did you get here?

00:28:11.580 Oh, I actually asked that question.

00:28:14.720 I was making my way through this hotel and all this, and I got there.

00:28:18.400 I said, how did I get here?

00:28:19.580 And there's something, well, some people say evolution.

00:28:21.980 And I'm like, no, no, buddy.

00:28:23.520 I just said, you know, how did I get to this room?

00:28:26.060 So when you say, how did you get here?

00:28:28.040 Like, in terms of, like, career and track and all that?

00:28:31.340 Let's start with just more fundamental.

00:28:33.540 How did you get to be happy and peaceful and open and California, seemingly without all the weird stuff?

00:28:46.980 I'm actually wearing shoes.

00:28:50.860 The first thing that popped to mind is my grandparents.

00:28:54.320 They were just so big and wonderful in my life.

00:28:57.840 They thought I hung the moon.

00:28:59.560 It was just so beautiful.

00:29:00.680 I would go to Disneyland, and they had rock candy there.

00:29:03.300 Do you remember that?

00:29:04.440 And I would get a little box of rock candy.

00:29:06.840 I'd bring it home to my grandmother.

00:29:09.180 Every time she saw it, it was like the first time.

00:29:11.080 She's like, that's a rock.

00:29:12.920 I'm like, no, grandma, it's candy.

00:29:14.920 She's like, and then she'd put one in her mouth, and she'd pretend that she hurt her tooth. 1.00

00:29:18.860 She's like, oh.

00:29:19.840 She's like, it's candy.

00:29:22.180 And I would just beam with, like, I was that guy that just, she just thought I was so amazing.

00:29:28.640 And I think I learned from them this power of joy.

00:29:32.420 My grandfather was a fireman in San Francisco Bay for 40 years.

00:29:37.680 He worked the graveyard shift.

00:29:38.840 He never put out a fire.

00:29:40.600 I don't even know if he knew how to, but he knew how to love people.

00:29:45.660 And when I think now, they're in heaven.

00:29:48.460 But I think of this legacy they left behind of, like, I still, I go to Disneyland.

00:29:53.620 I see the rock candy, and I think of my grandmother.

00:29:55.880 She thought I was a boss.

00:29:57.380 And so we can build into our lives.

00:30:00.120 You find somebody that's poured into your life some joy and a worldview that's really engaging and very open.

00:30:07.300 And if that consists with, is consistent with who God made you to be, if that's not your thing, like for Maria to be with lots of people is not her thing.

00:30:16.120 But I would say find your space in there and then just delight in that.

00:30:21.900 And then take the small steps.

00:30:23.380 For me, it was like taking a small step.

00:30:26.060 I'm going to be a grandpa this week.

00:30:27.760 Is that awesome or what?

00:30:29.000 Come on.

00:30:29.420 Yeah.

00:30:29.680 First time.

00:30:30.260 First time.

00:30:31.180 Oh, yeah.

00:30:31.520 This is the best.

00:30:32.420 Oh, I'm so excited about it.

00:30:33.680 But I'm imagining that day when this, like, are you, Billy, got any grandkids running around?

00:30:39.100 I have two.

00:30:39.680 You see?

00:30:40.460 Well, so when this grandchild takes the first step, you don't say, like, well, I've seen better.

00:30:46.000 You'd be like, no.

00:30:47.400 You'd be like, that's awesome.

00:30:49.420 Right.

00:30:49.620 And then when they're crawling around, you'd be like, dude, just walk.

00:30:52.520 Right.

00:30:52.740 Like, you're just patient with that.

00:30:54.320 And so I'm trying to think of those same things in the interactions I have with people to just say they're small.

00:31:00.900 Step 4, you don't need a Bible verse for everything, but there's a beautiful one.

00:31:04.340 It's Zechariah 410.

00:31:05.380 It says that God delights in seeing our small beginnings.

00:31:08.920 He just loves to see the work begin.

00:31:10.960 And so if you've had somebody who's listening and they have an ambition that they've been thinking about, man, take this first step.

00:31:17.520 Like, there's something beautiful in that.

00:31:19.280 And I just don't think that the world is grimacing at me.

00:31:22.360 And I don't think it's grimacing at everybody else.

00:31:24.620 You might get that feel from watching a bunch of media.

00:31:27.700 But if you've ever had watched somebody take a picture of someone else, the person taking the picture is smiling.

00:31:35.400 They're like, yes.

00:31:36.700 And I just like that first step as a kid.

00:31:38.980 I just think God's smiling, you know, and I think there's some things that pain him tremendously.

00:31:44.260 What I'm trying to do, though, is not to be Jesus's lawyer.

00:31:47.460 I want to be just available to people and hear and curious about that.

00:31:52.200 And then for me, I'm just going to do what I think is right.

00:31:55.960 And that means like starting schools, which still cracks me up because my worst subject in school was school.

00:32:02.280 But I'm actually pretty good at starting.

00:32:04.100 Every time I want to start another school, I write a book.

00:32:07.400 If I made cupcakes, like people would die.

00:32:10.600 But a typo, like no big deal.

00:32:12.740 So tell me, tell me, let's jump here on the work that you're doing.

00:32:18.960 First, anybody who doesn't know, tell the story of Charlie and Kabi.

00:32:24.740 Oh, man, that's crazy.

00:32:26.500 This in Uganda, there's a practice which witchcraft in these witch doctors actually sacrifice little children because they believe the head or blood or private parts have these magical powers.

00:32:38.520 And so in the history of Uganda and nobody's ever taken on a witch doctor because they're afraid of these guys. 0.50

00:32:44.660 But right back to our beginning, what would your six?

00:32:47.080 What if we weren't afraid anymore?

00:32:49.640 And so there was a little boy that got attacked by the head of all the witch doctors and he actually survived. 0.72

00:32:56.520 And so I went to Uganda, their chief justice, let us bring Uganda's first death penalty case. 0.60

00:33:03.540 And we tried this case and Kabi goes away to Lazira Maximum Security Prison. 0.62

00:33:09.040 But the little boy is all torn up.

00:33:11.460 A doctor at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center finds out about the boys and he calls me up and he says, Bob, you don't know me.

00:33:18.860 My name is Randy.

00:33:19.760 I can fix him like, buddy, you didn't hear what got cut off.

00:33:23.940 You can't fix that.

00:33:24.740 And he said, I'm the head of surgery here.

00:33:26.980 I can fix him.

00:33:28.360 And so I drive up there and I meet him and he starts drawing on a napkin like what he's going to do, which is way too much information.

00:33:35.880 If they find that at DFW, I'm going to jail.

00:33:39.960 Two guys drawing private on napkins.

00:33:43.940 But I asked him, how much would that cost?

00:33:46.280 And he said, it'd be staggering, but I'll do it for nothing.

00:33:49.920 And so I'm like, I'm in.

00:33:52.220 So I flew back to Uganda.

00:33:53.520 I found the kid.

00:33:55.200 I went to court and became his legal guardian.

00:33:57.980 And we flew back here for the operation.

00:34:00.480 And on the way, Obama is the president.

00:34:02.440 And we get a text message when we're in London.

00:34:05.660 He says, we'd like to meet Charlie.

00:34:08.080 And so we divert to D.C.

00:34:10.800 And this kid that was standing in the bush two days before is now standing in the Oval Office.

00:34:17.580 I've got him held up.

00:34:19.220 He's reading the original Emancipation Proclamation.

00:34:21.820 I'm telling little Charlie what that means.

00:34:25.560 Well, one of the things that we thought in this attack that all of this stuff, because he's essentially a eunuch after the attack.

00:34:32.580 And we thought all of this would this would be the course of his life.

00:34:36.620 And then it was about eight months ago.

00:34:38.860 I think it's since the time I saw you last took him in for x-rays.

00:34:42.560 And these two things we thought weren't there.

00:34:45.020 They're actually there.

00:34:46.520 And so two weeks ago, we went back to Cedars-Sinai.

00:34:49.660 They did an operation.

00:34:50.900 He gets to be a dad.

00:34:52.440 Wow.

00:34:52.840 Is that crazy?

00:34:54.460 Wow.

00:34:54.920 Yeah.

00:34:55.380 And so this idea of getting.

00:34:57.360 So he goes back.

00:34:58.500 He's back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

00:35:01.060 That's got to be mind blowing.

00:35:03.120 I don't want him to turn into a surfer if he lives in San Diego.

00:35:05.900 I want him to turn into the president in Uganda.

00:35:08.540 But there's something actually kind of beautiful if we're kind of hoping for other people, these things.

00:35:13.800 And then you just get some skin in the game.

00:35:15.480 A couple of things will happen.

00:35:16.500 Your life will get messier.

00:35:18.060 Right.

00:35:18.520 Because then you've got all this.

00:35:20.280 My problem, though, is I spent my whole life trying to get more and more comfortable and comfortable.

00:35:25.700 People don't seem to understand the power of love as much.

00:35:30.960 And so I'm trying to get less and less comfortable.

00:35:33.380 I got a house and a car and I got all this stuff.

00:35:37.060 And it's not a bad stuff.

00:35:38.680 I'm really grateful for it.

00:35:39.800 But I'm trying to just like dive into a little deeper end with people.

00:35:44.020 So what we've decided, we just start schools.

00:35:46.640 We've got one in Uganda.

00:35:47.700 I've got one in Mogadishu, Somalia.

00:35:50.480 And that is a pretty tense place.

00:35:53.580 Nepal and India.

00:35:55.040 We've got one in Afghanistan.

00:35:57.220 There's the end.

00:35:58.880 Man, there's just a lot of ambiguity surrounding this.

00:36:01.820 But the thing that is really present in my mind is that God isn't dazzled when you go across an ocean.

00:36:08.620 What wows him is when you go across the street.

00:36:11.260 This whole idea of loving your neighbor.

00:36:13.300 But when love has an agenda, then it didn't love anymore.

00:36:16.840 So sometimes these conversations that we're having with each other, there's an agenda.

00:36:21.160 And I don't know.

00:36:21.880 I don't have an agenda with you.

00:36:23.500 And I know you don't have one with me.

00:36:24.860 We're just two friends.

00:36:25.860 Yeah, just talking.

00:36:26.940 That's what we need to have.

00:36:28.360 More of those.

00:36:28.920 Like, no agenda.

00:36:29.600 I'm just delighted to see you again.

00:36:31.700 And that's where it gets good.

00:36:32.960 And you can actually talk maybe more about what you feel than what your position is on all that stuff.

00:36:39.380 I'm feeling delighted.

00:36:40.400 I've wanted to be a grandpa since I was in junior high.

00:36:43.420 Like, literally, because I saw.

00:36:45.040 You had a great grandpa.

00:36:46.520 That's it.

00:36:47.420 What if we're the ones that are known for that?

00:36:50.060 Like, these things that might be eccentric, those are the things that actually people remember.

00:36:55.960 I got no left pockets in any of my pants.

00:36:58.720 Literally, if I put my phone in my left pocket right now to end up in my shoe.

00:37:02.780 And the reason I did it, I cut out my left pockets because it's a reminder to me that our faith, our lives will be the sum of everything we're hanging on to.

00:37:12.300 Right pocket stuff and everything we're willing to let go of.

00:37:15.820 And so I've been trying to move stuff from my right pocket to my left pocket.

00:37:19.720 And it's only 18 inches until Christmas time and pecan pie.

00:37:24.240 Then it's about 20.

00:37:25.360 But there's this whole idea of constantly moving stuff.

00:37:28.960 Has somebody wounded you?

00:37:30.200 Somebody hurt your feelings?

00:37:31.560 A parent?

00:37:32.380 A loved one?

00:37:33.520 Somebody let you down?

00:37:34.700 They said something mean about you?

00:37:36.740 What I've been trying to do instead of hanging on to that, I've been trying to move it that 18 inches to the left pocket.

00:37:42.700 Let it go out.

00:37:43.840 I think people, you go find your, if you're listening, go find some scissors.

00:37:47.220 Get your pants off first, but like cut those pockets out.

00:37:51.760 And there's something beautiful that will happen.

00:37:54.140 These little reminders that will remind you of who you are.

00:37:56.900 It's really amazing how, because it takes, it really takes work and not work that anybody sees.

00:38:05.320 You know, like I, I, I, at one point in my life, I was really arrogant.

00:38:11.280 I mean, really much more than I am now.

00:38:13.540 Really arrogant.

00:38:14.360 And I, all I did was change my signature and I, I changed, I, I never signed my name with capital letters now.

00:38:22.440 Oh, get out of town.

00:38:23.980 I love that.

00:38:24.860 I, I, I did that and nobody knew.

00:38:27.800 I never said that to anybody.

00:38:29.080 I just did all lowercase and it was amazing because every time I have to sign a check, every time I have to sign anything, it reminds me, you're not all that.

00:38:41.700 Yeah.

00:38:42.460 And wouldn't we do that with our kids? 0.68

00:38:44.320 Like to, instead of talking to them about career, talk about the character.

00:38:48.980 Like who's the guy that you want to be?

00:38:51.320 Who's that young woman that you want to turn into? 1.00

00:38:53.880 Tell me about him.

00:38:55.220 Think of you plus 10 years.

00:38:56.860 I'm not going to be 60 here in a couple of weeks.

00:38:59.200 And I'm pretty pumped about that too.

00:39:01.240 I'm going to try to jump a dirt bike, 60 feet.

00:39:05.280 Next time.

00:39:05.980 If you see me in a body cast, if I got like 42 and a half, it'll be a little short, but the whole idea of to say to one another, like, tell me about who you're turning into like not.

00:39:17.300 And a lot of us are a job or two behind who we've become because it was a perfect job at the time.

00:39:23.440 Like I was a lawyer, I'm capable of being a lawyer in five or six States.

00:39:27.280 I know how to pass bar exams.

00:39:29.560 But just because I'm capable of doing it doesn't mean I'm called to do it.

00:39:33.380 And so right now I'm just like, I've got the time.

00:39:36.080 I'm going to go start some schools.

00:39:37.400 And it's not because I want to be known by people as that guy.

00:39:41.460 I just go like, I got the time to do it.

00:39:43.560 But in about a week and a half, I'm going to be a grandpa.

00:39:46.520 And what I saw is my grandparents were available to me.

00:39:49.360 I'm going to be that guy.

00:39:50.880 And then we just get to decide, like, just choose the person that you want to be, the man or woman you want to turn into.

00:39:57.300 And then just start angling stuff.

00:39:58.860 You said to me, which I think is fascinating when you walked in, you said, Oh, it's been a good season.

00:40:07.400 You talked about, you, you described time as a season, which I find, I find wonderful because I think we all do have seasons and we miss the turning of the leaves.

00:40:23.280 You know, and so we, we, and we just keep going, but no, the seasons are changing.

00:40:30.840 And so it's okay to let go of what you were and what you, what you thought.

00:40:37.100 And, and it's a new season in your life.

00:40:40.000 Yes.

00:40:40.380 And I love the idea that, uh, of being a new creation that I've spent like almost 60 long years being old Bob.

00:40:47.940 And but like, I met new Bob like five or six hours ago.

00:40:51.100 I'm like, so who's he going to be?

00:40:53.280 Like, what's he good at?

00:40:54.240 So it's really hard in today's world to, when I was, uh, 18, I did the best thing I could do.

00:41:03.500 And I didn't realize it at the time I moved to the other side of the country.

00:41:09.020 I grew up in Seattle.

00:41:10.000 I moved to Washington, DC at 18.

00:41:12.040 That's good.

00:41:12.900 Didn't know anybody took a job out in DC, knew nothing about it.

00:41:17.860 Um, kind of a, you know, small town, sheltered kid just took a job.

00:41:23.460 Boom.

00:41:24.020 I'm there.

00:41:25.320 Didn't realize until later when I came back home a few times later, I'm no longer what my

00:41:34.960 family and friends had told me.

00:41:38.740 And I thought that I was, I had the time to become me.

00:41:44.140 I was different.

00:41:45.840 You know what I mean?

00:41:46.580 Yeah.

00:41:47.320 That's good.

00:41:48.400 Yeah.

00:41:48.720 And there are people that are 50 that still are what everyone says they've always been.

00:41:56.240 They still are, but it's not them.

00:41:59.980 Yeah.

00:42:00.100 That's who they used to be.

00:42:01.200 But we get this stuff on this kind of loop going like little Bobby Goff at eight years

00:42:06.360 old was super insecure.

00:42:08.580 He would be like, do anything to just whatever it took to make everybody happy.

00:42:13.460 Like that was that, uh, little Bobby Goff.

00:42:16.740 And even at 60, uh, that little boy, like sometimes shows up on my door, knocks.

00:42:23.240 And I think, where's that coming from?

00:42:24.880 Like, what's making me so insecure?

00:42:26.660 What makes me feel like I need to, uh, validate, you know, uh, my worth by getting somebody's

00:42:33.640 acceptance.

00:42:34.280 And it doesn't make me angsty, but it's just worth a little bit of reflection to say, what's

00:42:39.320 the return address on that?

00:42:40.580 And then just update, you know, just like forward the mail to the new address and to

00:42:46.040 say, so now I'm, I don't need to be that little kid anymore.

00:42:49.180 So at least for me, and I've been, and correct where this is wrong or, or guide where,

00:43:17.960 this was my journey.

00:43:22.020 Um, God, my understanding of God, I, one of the three things I know, God, God loves me.

00:43:31.680 God lives.

00:43:32.800 I don't know what he looks like.

00:43:34.460 I don't know where he lives.

00:43:35.840 I don't know anything.

00:43:36.840 I don't know how he creates.

00:43:38.400 I just know he loves me and he is a part of my life and I have access to him that I know

00:43:44.620 we all do.

00:43:46.900 Um, but I didn't really believe that earlier.

00:43:51.180 And so, uh, I had to puff myself up.

00:43:56.000 Once I believed in God, God changes you to where you have the belief in the power of,

00:44:07.860 of just going, you know what, I'm covered.

00:44:11.780 I'm good.

00:44:12.420 I'm going to go do this.

00:44:13.560 Cause I know no matter what happens, it's going to be good.

00:44:17.680 It may not turn out the way I'm wanted or, but I'm okay.

00:44:21.620 Yeah.

00:44:22.140 People who are really one with God, somebody dies in their life and they might have some

00:44:27.520 sadness, but really the overwhelming feeling is hooray.

00:44:32.100 Hey, what a party is happening now on the other side of the veil.

00:44:35.780 This is great.

00:44:36.860 You're going home, you know?

00:44:39.360 Um, but without God, if you are somebody who you don't have God, how do you balance the,

00:44:51.200 the, the power that I, I have access to universal power?

00:45:01.180 You know what I mean?

00:45:02.560 So you have that power.

00:45:03.640 And yet the Judeo Christian, uh, philosophy is, and at the same time, let it all go. 0.85

00:45:12.460 And so it's that great razor edge balance.

00:45:16.880 If you don't have God, how could you do that?

00:45:21.980 How do you, I'm asking, cause you and I are both believers in God.

00:45:26.800 Yeah.

00:45:27.320 So how does somebody do that?

00:45:29.080 Who says, I, you know what?

00:45:31.180 I don't believe in God and I, but I, I want to be there without the God.

00:45:37.480 Yeah, yeah, totally.

00:45:38.400 I think that people just do the best they can.

00:45:41.020 And really, we're just trying to make our way through this thing.

00:45:44.740 And I know one thing that I reacted to early on is when people tell me what to do, uh,

00:45:51.240 or what to believe, I'm like, Oh heck no.

00:45:54.200 If people don't want to be told what to do, but there's a beautiful verse.

00:45:58.160 It's in a Matthew talks about like, they were asking the same question is like, it's a teacher.

00:46:02.740 Is Jesus a prophet?

00:46:04.220 And then Simon Peter says, no, he's God.

00:46:06.260 And one of the things that he said is don't tell anybody.

00:46:09.780 I love that you would make all the evangelicals be like, wait, what? 0.79

00:46:14.440 But the whole idea is show people what you believe.

00:46:17.440 Don't you don't need to tell people what you believe.

00:46:19.160 And so there's something you, if you have a faith, whatever it is, like, I don't know,

00:46:24.320 express it in what you do.

00:46:26.160 Galatians five, six says the only thing that matters is faith expressed in love.

00:46:30.860 And so I want to be that guy.

00:46:32.320 I just, I don't need to be licking a bunch of return addresses and saying, this is why

00:46:36.780 or what you need to believe, but to just express what you believe in with love.

00:46:40.760 And, uh, for some people, they say, no, that's just like, that's just too cotton candy.

00:46:45.300 I'm like, and I'm down with that, like, uh, but here's the deal that it's working for me.

00:46:50.480 What I'm trying to do is to, uh, the things I'm certain about, uh, in, in my faith, I'm

00:46:56.040 not trying to convince other people of, I don't think the verse that follows that, uh,

00:47:00.800 after saying, don't tell anybody, he said, flesh and blood doesn't reveal it to you,

00:47:04.660 but the spirit.

00:47:05.360 And so when some people say like, how do you believe in God?

00:47:08.020 I go like, it just feels like it was something that it just clicked.

00:47:11.540 It just makes sense to me.

00:47:12.800 It wasn't like a guy looking for the life raft.

00:47:15.380 It just makes sense to me.

00:47:16.860 And I didn't grow up in the church.

00:47:18.480 I'm not that guy actually found a Bible in the back of a bus when I was in high school

00:47:23.280 and said it was a good book.

00:47:25.040 I'm like, I could use a good book.

00:47:28.160 And I'm looking through all these, you know, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, like same story.

00:47:31.520 I'm like average book at best.

00:47:34.480 But then I got to the story is the 10 leapers. 1.00

00:47:37.280 I didn't know they were lepers.

00:47:38.420 I'm like, why are they leaving?

00:47:39.620 Sharks in the water.

00:47:40.380 So, and it was like that, uh, the whole idea of living grateful lives that, you know, 10

00:47:47.140 get healed.

00:47:47.940 One comes back to say, thank you.

00:47:50.160 And Jesus's words, like, where's the other nine?

00:47:52.620 And I've just, I want to be the one guy that comes back to just say, thank you to the people

00:47:57.980 in my life that teachers that have impacted me, uh, people that have done acts of kindness

00:48:04.020 towards me.

00:48:04.500 If we can live these kinds of grateful lives and that isn't cotton candy, that's real life

00:48:09.060 stuff.

00:48:09.560 That's a stuff that will outlast us.

00:48:11.580 I want to be known to my friends as the guy that says, thank you.

00:48:16.020 Best, best spiritual day I've had with a group of people was with a group of preachers, all

00:48:26.120 from different faiths.

00:48:27.580 Started the day with them being a little standoffish with each other because they were all in the

00:48:32.880 same community, but all from different churches.

00:48:35.080 And, um, they had never gotten together before and we spent the day serving by the end of

00:48:43.560 the day, they were great friends and they were talking, they were laughing about your sheep

00:48:50.400 stealer.

00:48:51.340 You're going to steal my sheep, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

00:48:53.880 They were laughing about it.

00:48:55.220 And one guy said, what are we doing?

00:49:00.560 We, we, we, we, we bring our people together in these separate buildings and we stay inside

00:49:10.160 every Sunday when this is the best church I've attended in forever.

00:49:18.280 Yeah.

00:49:19.300 You know, going out and doing it.

00:49:22.200 And too many of us, I think don't do it.

00:49:30.020 We attend church.

00:49:33.180 We don't tend.

00:49:35.520 Yeah.

00:49:35.920 One of the things that realized that we actually are the church.

00:49:38.960 I was talking to a guy and said, I'm so mad at the church.

00:49:41.380 I'm like, I'm not going anymore.

00:49:42.600 I'm like, you are the church.

00:49:44.220 You can't quit the church.

00:49:45.380 And that whole idea to like you and I, you know, together two or more are gathered, say

00:49:51.120 like, you know, we're the church.

00:49:53.160 And then I'd love that they gather and some people wave their arms and some people wear

00:49:57.240 cloaks and I'll be like, whatever it is that lights you up.

00:50:00.960 But to just be curious about that, just to be curious rather than critical or to say that,

00:50:06.040 you know, we've got something that you don't have and all that to say that was what Jesus

00:50:11.080 was constantly doing.

00:50:12.380 Everybody thought they had something figured out.

00:50:14.400 And I think that's why eternity is going to take so long.

00:50:17.160 It's going to be this revealing used to think this, but it was really that this, these people

00:50:22.360 or these behaviors or these social issues.

00:50:24.960 And you guys are saying that I think is we're going to be spending a lot of time unlearning

00:50:30.360 a lot of the things that we thought we were positive about.

00:50:33.680 And we go like, oh, dang.

00:50:35.420 So I want to get like a headstart on that one and to realize for the people listening,

00:50:40.980 wherever they are in faith, just realize what you've got.

00:50:43.700 I tried a case and the person that won, they got a cashier check at the end of the day

00:50:49.140 for $1 million and they put it in their pocket.

00:50:52.360 I'm not kidding.

00:50:53.100 They went golfing and they were out there golfing.

00:50:55.860 The president of the bank started calling and they're like busy golfing.

00:50:59.120 So they're like, yeah, whatever.

00:51:00.220 They call about 10 times and he finally gets through.

00:51:03.080 He's like, what's the deal?

00:51:04.340 And he says, do you have the check?

00:51:05.880 And he's like, yeah, yeah.

00:51:06.940 It's in my pocket.

00:51:07.700 It says, open up the check.

00:51:09.140 They had made a mistake.

00:51:10.680 They made it for $1 billion.

00:51:13.360 Oh my gosh.

00:51:15.000 My first thought is go buy Maui.

00:51:17.400 Right.

00:51:17.840 But that idea to realize we don't know what we got in our pocket and for people to realize

00:51:24.180 the value that they have and that the, the validity of the things that they, that they

00:51:29.740 have loved and they've been a little hesitant to express love or gratitude.

00:51:34.080 I'm like, go cash that check.

00:51:36.480 They literally don't carry it around your pocket.

00:51:38.440 Open that thing up and say, like, I actually have a tremendous amount of, of love and gratitude

00:51:45.440 to come to like, to release into the world.

00:51:49.580 It's like stone soup.

00:51:50.740 Remember that kid's story, right?

00:51:52.320 Everybody throws in what they've got in it.

00:51:54.320 The end everybody's fed.

00:51:55.640 And I, I think if we could have authentic conversations with each other about what do you want?

00:52:01.580 Uh, the first thing they'd hear from me is I go on to be a grandpa and then they'd celebrate

00:52:06.260 with me that I'm going to be a grandpa.

00:52:08.100 And if somebody said we really want is to make the major leagues, I want to be a pitcher

00:52:12.140 for insert here, whoever it is, they'd be, they wouldn't be disappointed at them because

00:52:18.620 they didn't make the majors.

00:52:20.380 They would just be delighted as they made those small steps, those first steps towards it.

00:52:24.680 They'd say, don't despise these small beginnings.

00:52:27.180 And I think people that live lives with gratitude and are tremendously curious, get there.

00:52:34.020 I'm a note taker.

00:52:35.100 Like I bet I send myself every day, 150 emails, just things I'm thinking about.

00:52:41.180 Like I actually read that we're going through earth, me and you right now, Glenn, we're moving

00:52:45.920 through the universe at 25,000 miles per hour.

00:52:49.000 If you ever had a day, you didn't think you were getting much done.

00:52:51.740 You're making moves, but to just be curious about like what's going on around you and

00:52:58.820 like, man, that is now we got a ball game.

00:53:01.740 So I think the, the lesson that, uh, we sometimes miss is when Christ says, come to me as little

00:53:12.660 children that once we stop being curious, once we start, when you're, there's a great

00:53:21.080 line in the movie glass that has just come out.

00:53:23.860 And, um, uh, it's about this guy who is one guy is schizophrenic.

00:53:29.000 One guy is, uh, you know, breakable. 0.73

00:53:31.480 His bones are like glass, blah, blah, blah.

00:53:33.120 It's kind of a comic book kind of thing.

00:53:34.560 And he says to the guy who's schizophrenic to one of the, one of his personalities, which

00:53:40.720 is nine, he said, uh, you don't realize how special you are now saying that to a schizophrenic. 0.50

00:53:47.280 And he said, what's so special about me?

00:53:51.160 And he said, you're nine forever, right?

00:53:54.500 Yeah.

00:53:56.220 You will forever see the world as, as it really is.

00:54:00.300 Uh, and that's kind of what he's telling us.

00:54:06.480 And I think it's, it's on two fronts.

00:54:09.120 I think when you stop being curious, when you stop seeking, when you start saying, no,

00:54:17.640 that's not the way you age.

00:54:21.420 Isn't that true?

00:54:22.880 Right.

00:54:23.200 Yeah.

00:54:24.140 And I think when you just said it's forever learning through eternity.

00:54:28.280 I think the Lord is telling us, come to me as a child, because we have built up 50 years,

00:54:39.420 70 years, a hundred years of, no, it's like this.

00:54:44.720 And if we are set in that old mindset, which has just now cemented everything that's true,

00:54:53.980 he's got to undo all that.

00:54:56.220 So when we get to the other side, if he's like, I don't know if he's a woman and, uh,

00:55:05.060 and, and, and, and half, you know, half giraffe, I'm not expecting that. 0.79

00:55:10.720 But if that's what he is, that's what he is.

00:55:14.540 And coming to him as a child, a child would say, you got those like knobby things on your

00:55:20.680 head, like a giraffe, you kind of look like a giraffe in a dress where we would say, you're 0.99

00:55:26.360 not God. 0.97

00:55:27.760 You can't be God.

00:55:28.940 I know what God looks like.

00:55:30.080 I know who God is.

00:55:31.680 Where's the beard.

00:55:33.140 Yeah.

00:55:33.860 And I think you can inform your faith.

00:55:36.500 The faith is important to you.

00:55:37.800 You can inform it.

00:55:38.480 I mean, there's, there's, uh, some scriptures out there.

00:55:41.540 You can read.

00:55:42.420 There's some people that are wise.

00:55:44.220 I, what I've been trying to do is surround myself, not with smart people, but with wise

00:55:48.700 people, right?

00:55:49.860 Cause smart people are a dime a dozen wise people.

00:55:53.300 I've noticed stay really curious about things.

00:55:55.900 They're curious about their faith.

00:55:57.360 They're curious about their friends or curious about their character.

00:56:00.160 Did you know a banana is a berry and a strawberry isn't mind blown.

00:56:06.220 And, but that whole idea to just be curious about things, say, look, what does that have

00:56:10.640 to do with your faith?

00:56:11.440 I'd say everything because people that are curious about what's going on will be curious

00:56:16.300 about people that are hurting and to say, is there any way it can get some skin or they'll

00:56:21.000 be curious about somebody who's really affluent to say, I wonder how life is working to know

00:56:26.280 a judgment, but to just say, Hey, I think that's terrific.

00:56:29.320 I wonder what you're going to do next.

00:56:31.560 Like, I wonder what your next big step will be.

00:56:34.040 I heard somebody say the other day, you know, searching for God.

00:56:38.480 I'm searching for God.

00:56:39.320 Why can't I can't, I can't get beat.

00:56:41.440 On God, I'm searching for God.

00:56:43.240 And I'm sitting in church and somebody is talking and they said, you'll find God in

00:56:50.540 the midst of human suffering.

00:56:52.820 And it kind of goes back to what you were talking about earlier about you're pretty

00:56:57.560 comfortable.

00:56:58.300 Yeah.

00:56:58.880 That we're getting more and more desperate.

00:57:00.920 That's actually, and it's not our, it's not our suffering.

00:57:03.760 I mean, he may be there in the midst of our human suffering too, but, but we really want

00:57:09.100 to find him.

00:57:09.700 Go look for someone else's suffering.

00:57:12.160 Yes.

00:57:12.580 And you'll find him there for you and your suffering.

00:57:16.880 It's weird how you get more out of helping others.

00:57:21.040 It's almost like you can't use it to help yourself.

00:57:23.720 Yeah.

00:57:24.260 When you're helping others, it all of a sudden helps you.

00:57:27.340 Isn't that interesting?

00:57:28.260 So the plan is instead of when you take all of the focus off of yourself and just to say

00:57:33.620 small or big, whatever it is that you're doing, then you start, you aren't just looking for

00:57:38.360 God's plan for your life.

00:57:39.360 Cause I hear that all the time.

00:57:40.860 The plan I was actually, it was before the invasion that liberated Mosul and, and there,

00:57:48.580 all the Peshmerga army had surrounded the city.

00:57:51.400 And I, I went with a whole bunch of metals and we just started putting metals on the

00:57:56.060 chest of these brave Peshmerga fighters.

00:57:58.580 Didn't ask for permission.

00:57:59.700 I just want to let them know I was grateful for what they were doing that in their war.

00:58:04.100 That's like somebody else's, but they really said like, I'm actually going to do this thing.

00:58:08.980 And that person that's like heading up this whole deal is that you want to see what our

00:58:13.340 battle plane looks, looks like.

00:58:14.960 I'm like, yes.

00:58:16.680 It's when we go inside this tent, I think there's going to be satellite images and all that stuff.

00:58:21.460 There's a sandbox.

00:58:22.580 I am not kidding you, Glenn.

00:58:23.640 It was six by eight feet and there's a little green army men.

00:58:26.960 And that was the plan.

00:58:28.400 I thought there'd be more to it.

00:58:32.040 And I think when people are saying like, God, what's the plan for my life?

00:58:36.380 Matthew 25, it says, I was hungry and you fed me.

00:58:39.640 I was thirsty and he gave me something to drink.

00:58:41.840 I was a stranger.

00:58:42.880 I was creepy.

00:58:43.620 And you invited me in.

00:58:45.040 I was sick and you clothed me.

00:58:46.540 I was naked and I was in jail and he came.

00:58:49.920 I just want to do that.

00:58:50.960 So what I'm trying to do is not necessarily across the street or across the ocean, but

00:58:56.460 across the street to say, is there somebody that has a need that I can help with?

00:59:01.280 And there's something beautiful and you don't need to make a hoodie every time you meet somebody's

00:59:05.680 need.

00:59:06.060 I have a neighbor as this like huge restaurant chain all over the place.

00:59:10.100 And he takes out the neighbor's garbage on Monday.

00:59:13.440 That was really hard for me because I don't know.

00:59:16.720 I'm better at giving many people are better at doing things for people than receiving

00:59:21.260 that.

00:59:21.560 That was really difficult until about the fifth year that he kept doing that and he would

00:59:27.160 never make a big deal. 0.96

00:59:28.120 It wasn't just my garbage. 0.97

00:59:29.360 It was everybody's. 0.98

00:59:30.480 And he's the big CEO guy, but he knows how to love his neighbor.

00:59:35.980 Didn't make a hoodie.

00:59:37.220 Didn't make it.

00:59:38.040 There's no newsletter that goes out.

00:59:40.180 He just does it.

00:59:41.060 And that's those things that, that seem to last those things that are just beautiful.

00:59:46.440 They're the simplest stories that just are heartwarming.

00:59:49.660 You go like, that's the guy I want to be.

01:00:11.060 Because you have to get on an airplane, go someplace else.

01:00:13.600 We have to end this, but I want to ask, leave with this, explain this one thing.

01:00:23.200 Alcoholics say one day at a time, but you say, I'm trying to be more like Christ 30 seconds

01:00:31.440 at a time.

01:00:32.520 Yeah.

01:00:33.300 Bingo.

01:00:33.920 Just in the way that we encounter people, the way that you interact with people.

01:00:39.080 Like I've heard somebody say, I'm going to follow Jesus forever.

01:00:42.160 I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to do it for the next 30 seconds.

01:00:46.360 Literally.

01:00:47.000 I had a person ask me, I was speaking somewhere and they said, are you a friend of Bill W's?

01:00:52.720 And I'm like, I, I'm, I don't know.

01:00:55.400 You didn't know what it was, yeah.

01:00:56.900 Yeah.

01:00:57.260 It was just, I think perhaps maybe something I said reminded them of, you know, the steps

01:01:02.520 in Alcoholic Anonymous.

01:01:03.760 And it was just such a kind way instead of saying, are you in recovery?

01:01:09.080 They said, are you a friend of Bill W's?

01:01:10.780 Because if I was in recovery, I would know who he was.

01:01:14.100 Right.

01:01:14.320 And I would say that's just such a beautiful example of treating people with kindness and

01:01:19.700 respect.

01:01:20.500 Because if there was something big, they didn't T-bone me with that.

01:01:23.920 They said, Hey, are you a friend of Bill W's?

01:01:26.420 And then when I said, Oh, who's he?

01:01:28.700 They didn't go into this big, long explanation.

01:01:31.000 They said, I was just curious.

01:01:31.940 And there's something about that.

01:01:34.180 Like the, the, the, the words have that much power to them, but they're kind words.

01:01:39.140 They aren't the big loud words.

01:01:41.720 You can have a life filled with conviction.

01:01:44.200 I mean, I'm resolute. 0.98

01:01:45.540 I mean, witch doctors who kill kids, you will never be seen again ever.

01:01:49.980 But that idea to say to the same witch doctors, uh, if you guys need to learn how to read 0.81

01:01:57.180 and write, I'll start your school and we don't teach them how to be witch doctors. 1.00

01:02:00.880 They already know where we teach them how to read and write.

01:02:03.460 And there's something beautiful about, it'll be that quarter of a twist.

01:02:07.200 And that's the 30 seconds at a time, this idea to encounter people, assume that there's a

01:02:13.340 guy underneath the hat and there's a reason why he's doing what he's doing.

01:02:16.760 Whether he's mean as a rattlesnake or really kind or weepy or that there's a thing going

01:02:23.380 on and to take the time to find out who they are a little bit, you don't have to psychoanalyze

01:02:28.500 them, but to just assume I, you know, you and I have met a couple of times.

01:02:32.540 I just assume you're a guy that loves people and that you've had some really good days and

01:02:36.960 a couple of bad ones and that you've had some things that you're hoping for.

01:02:40.460 And a couple of things have been very shattering as have I, uh, yet here we are sitting at a

01:02:45.680 table together.

01:02:46.300 We're just two men.

01:02:47.480 We're sharing some time, no agenda, just love each other and be fully present.

01:02:51.760 So thank you.

01:02:52.780 It really honors me.

01:02:53.920 Just get some time with you.

01:02:55.500 Thank you.

01:02:56.140 Let's do it again.

01:03:02.540 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

01:03:08.360 so it can be discovered by other people.

The Glenn Beck Program - March 09, 2019

Ep 27 ｜ Bob Goff ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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