The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 276 ｜ ‘Jack Ryan’ TV Show Predicted Maduro’s Capture？! ｜ Annie Jacobsen ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:19.260 So the Havana syndrome type weapons have existed since the 50s.

00:01:26.180 The Insurrection Act allows the president to use military force inside the United States of America.

00:01:32.420 We are looking at war that will happen in the blink of an eye.

00:01:36.340 It specifically addresses what a threat space is in terms of nuclear weaponry.

00:01:49.260 So after Venezuela, there's this clip going around with Jack Ryan where he is, he's in a classroom.

00:01:58.480 He's like, tell me the biggest threat to the United States and I think the Western Hemisphere.

00:02:02.960 They might, he might have even said the world.

00:02:04.960 And everybody has a suggestion and he says Venezuela.

00:02:07.620 And, uh, and that, that clip was going around like, look at this, this is magic.

00:02:13.220 Look, I mean, you know, it's like the Simpsons.

00:02:16.040 Um, but you were one of the consultants on that.

00:02:19.580 You were one of them that said, no, Venezuela.

00:02:22.480 Why did you say that?

00:02:25.920 Well, also to be clear, I wasn't just a consultant.

00:02:28.280 I was in that writer's room every day, day in and day out.

00:02:31.520 Jack Ryan season one and season two.

00:02:34.360 Wow.

00:02:34.720 And it was like, and, you know, it's a collaborative effort, by the way, it's not, uh, you know, every, we're all working together to figure out the best, the best storyline, but the actual capture, um, the assault, um, the compound was something that I brought in a bunch of, you know, air quotes, former military folks.

00:02:56.660 Help the writer's room, um, understand how we could portray that kind of a, of a killer capture mission authentically.

00:03:06.520 And that's obviously what we did.

00:03:08.500 And so you wrote a book about killing capture, um, but the rest of the world, and, and I think this probably even goes to military people were shocked by how that went down.

00:03:20.900 I mean, it puts America in a different place, militarily speaking, I think it shows maybe we have things that nobody understands and we're far more advanced, uh, than what anybody thought.

00:03:36.400 Um, how, how shocked were you at how that went down?

00:03:41.000 Well, I was shocked for a very different reason.

00:03:45.100 And I think for me, I'm always looking at the technical aspects of things in terms of the military equipment and the planning, what's called, and then also how it sits in the long line of history.

00:04:01.200 Meaning militaries and the CIA's kill or capture missions since the invention of the sea or the, rather the, the, the sort of CIA became an organization after world war two and dealt, but organizations like Delta force.

00:04:18.740 So to me, that's, what's shocking is how it's absolutely changing.

00:04:22.980 And, you know, we can get into the details of that because that's what I find really interesting.

00:04:28.400 So I do want to get into that because the one thing I, I hate the things the CIA has done, um, much of it is good, but a lot of it is not good.

00:04:39.600 And I think a lot of the world hates us because we'll, we have had these policies of, we're going to just depose somebody and we're going to pick the next person for you.

00:04:49.360 And so the idea of self-rule and everything else, it just becomes, this is America's guy.

00:04:56.100 And that hasn't worked out well for us many times.

00:04:59.920 Um, and it's very short-term thinking.

00:05:02.180 And I've, I've always hated that.

00:05:04.140 What I liked about this and also at the same time, simultaneously disliked is that we didn't topple the regime.

00:05:11.780 The vice president who, uh, you know, duly elected or not, um,

00:05:17.800 she's not a fan of the United States.

00:05:20.560 She's not like our pick, but we took the one person out at the top and said, you are in violation of these things.

00:05:28.560 And we are not necessarily picking the next person.

00:05:33.240 Is that unusual for us?

00:05:35.060 Is that new thinking?

00:05:36.060 It is unusual.

00:05:38.700 And what's also interesting is that every, if you, I think if you look at the presidents and you approach, if you're like me, a historian who writes specifically about military and intelligence, you can see how the president, or at least I can, is impacted by both his predecessors.

00:06:00.400 And because presidents are briefed on what the other guys have done and who they want to emulate.

00:06:07.480 And then also they want to set their own sort of stamp on, you know, special activities, if you will, euphemism for this kind of thing, a killer capture mission.

00:06:17.940 But this current president never ceases to amaze me.

00:06:21.700 And that was true in the last, uh, his last term as well.

00:06:26.200 And when I say amaze, meaning the playbook is not by any stretch predictable or rather it doesn't follow a foot.

00:06:35.740 Right.

00:06:36.320 Yes, it is not standard.

00:06:37.640 And, but you, it's, it's interesting.

00:06:39.880 I almost use the word fun and that's a terrible word.

00:06:42.340 It's not fun, but it's intriguing to look at how these different presidents approach all this and also how they are impacted by their own successes or failures.

00:06:53.120 And that's where it gets really interesting because you can go all the way back to Kennedy and look at how his personal embarrassment over one organization's failed killer capture mission impacts the world going forward.

00:07:09.120 You know, um, uh, I think that's one thing that people don't understand that I, I really like about Donald Trump in, in ways scares the hell out of me because he's playing very high stakes games.

00:07:22.540 Um, but it seems logical to me, at least I can understand why he's doing things that I think even world leaders are missing.

00:07:32.680 He is just, he is saying, I am not playing by the old rules because he sees the old rules getting us from Bretton Woods to where we are now.

00:07:44.220 And he doesn't believe we're in a good place.

00:07:46.820 Those, you know, might've been good for the time back in the forties and fifties, but the world has changed.

00:07:51.980 And so he's, I'm not playing by the rules.

00:07:55.620 And I think it took them quite a while before the world started waking up and going, Oh, Oh, wait, wait, wait.

00:08:02.080 At what point do you think the world is going to catch up to him and say, okay, I can predict what he's going to do next.

00:08:10.760 Are we there yet or not?

00:08:12.060 Well, I think your observations are super interesting and, and they point to something I think about also, which is like, I write about history and it's easier to look at, look at operations through the lens of history.

00:08:28.500 And then kind of, you know, reverse engineer your opinion.

00:08:32.300 I mean, and I mean that with all humility, that that is actually easier.

00:08:36.420 What you just commented on is saying, here's what's happening in the present day.

00:08:42.140 And that is a lot harder.

00:08:44.540 It is a lot harder to know.

00:08:47.700 And so it's kind of like a comfort being a historian.

00:08:50.480 But what's crazy about this is that I am repeatedly being like asked to comment on things that we thought were history that are actually present day.

00:09:01.220 Right.

00:09:01.340 So if you just look at, like, I mean, I did not expect to be writing, you know, suggesting to the Jack Ryan writers team, hey, let's do an authentic killer capture mission inside the Venezuela and then have it essentially become kind of true reality.

00:09:24.140 That is where it gets awkward.

00:09:27.400 When I just I want to just touch on Greenland here for a second, I think he and and and help me out.

00:09:39.640 I talked to him about five months ago, six months ago, and I said, you're rewriting Bretton Woods.

00:09:45.780 You're just rewriting the whole thing.

00:09:47.020 And he said, yes, good observation.

00:09:49.500 Yes, I am.

00:09:50.120 And when I look at what he's saying about Greenland, my God, I don't want to take that over.

00:09:57.800 I don't want to be sowing a 51, you know, 51 star on the flag.

00:10:02.040 I don't I don't want any of that kind of stuff to happen.

00:10:04.840 But I think this is him to understand this.

00:10:09.460 He is saying, in my opinion, Europe has failed.

00:10:13.720 They're going in the wrong direction.

00:10:15.780 They are not going to be able to protect themselves.

00:10:18.900 They're just failing right now.

00:10:20.280 And they don't seem to be waking up at all.

00:10:22.580 And we have to protect our own hemisphere.

00:10:26.140 And so we have to have control of Greenland.

00:10:29.920 A, am I reading that right?

00:10:32.360 B, how does Europe respond to that?

00:10:36.180 And is there a chance that we can get what we need from Greenland without, you know, sending in military or doing something like that?

00:10:47.960 Well, I think what you're also pointing out is very important point about what the president and let's call him POTUS, what a POTUS wants to do, what they have the power to do,

00:11:01.820 which is mostly the answer is everything, in my opinion, understanding.

00:11:06.360 And then what happens, the events that happen and then how the public perception then moves the rudder on on what happens moving forward.

00:11:16.560 And so the closest analogy I could make to this presidential, this president's term is like if you look back at the Eisenhower administration after Trump, right?

00:11:29.720 But everything was happening in secret.

00:11:31.960 And this and I say to say this because this is when like Greenland became this key focal point in the nuclear threat from the Soviet Union.

00:11:43.840 But everything that Eisenhower did was done in secret.

00:11:48.920 There were no conversations between him and someone like yourself, like a president.

00:11:53.860 And right there was it was he and his advisers, his special group.

00:11:58.680 That's always what they're called.

00:12:01.200 Deciding the fate of the world, in essence, or deciding what we would do, we being the United States.

00:12:08.120 And so and then the world would see the results of that a decade later.

00:12:14.140 Correct.

00:12:15.120 I keep saying to my audience, you don't understand.

00:12:20.940 You will not understand what he has done in his first year for 10 years, maybe five.

00:12:28.580 But it's it's not people are like, we're not getting anything done.

00:12:31.560 No, no, no, no, no, no, good or bad mountains are being moved.

00:12:37.460 But you won't understand why for maybe a decade.

00:12:42.260 Exactly like Eisenhower, even though he's saying it out front, some of it.

00:12:46.660 I don't think people connect it.

00:12:49.960 Yes.

00:12:50.480 And then there also is now this new sort of pressure on what happens in the present tense, which is based on public opinion, which exists in the 1950s.

00:13:04.940 It simply didn't exist.

00:13:06.800 People were just way behind the curve.

00:13:09.060 And now you're talking about a daily dose of opinion from billions of people around the world, which does impact not only the president's opinion of what he might do, but what others do, what Europe does, what China does.

00:13:27.080 And so it's completely new territory and it's interesting for us to discuss.

00:13:35.060 I cannot encourage people enough to read history because then it takes the sort of impact.

00:13:42.000 Like, how could we be so crazy as to you go?

00:13:44.980 Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:13:45.860 We doing this.

00:13:47.120 Look at the kill or capture missions since Eisenhower.

00:13:51.360 Yeah.

00:13:51.600 And then begin to understand how this fits into the big scheme of things.

00:13:57.080 So that one's opinion is a little bit more informed.

00:14:00.900 And then I think you have actually a better take on the narrative as it's unfolding and with no doubt understanding that it's a new world.

00:14:09.940 Yeah.

00:14:10.480 And I don't even know.

00:14:11.580 I feel weird every day.

00:14:12.760 You know, my job is to give opinions and I feel less and less qualified to give those opinions every day because we're dealing with things that if he's right, it's going to change the world.

00:14:24.940 I think for a much better and freer world, in my opinion.

00:14:30.340 But if he's wrong, it could be catastrophic.

00:14:34.220 I mean, you just look at he seems to when it came to Venezuela, I felt like he took, you know, the old term, you know, two birds with one stone.

00:14:41.520 I felt like he took one stone and knocked out 200 birds.

00:14:45.620 I mean, everything China, everything was is affected by that.

00:14:50.700 And at some point, you're backing these big countries into corners.

00:14:58.980 And that's when countries or anybody becomes dangerous is when they are like, I have no other thing I can do.

00:15:05.980 And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you probably know better than I.

00:15:09.560 But I think that most wars, if not all wars, all begin with just a simple miscalculation.

00:15:17.100 Somebody has miscalculated.

00:15:19.340 And I I hope it's not us.

00:15:22.480 You have any comment on that thought?

00:15:25.200 Yes, I would like.

00:15:26.660 Here's what comes to mind.

00:15:27.660 And it sounds like a tangent, but stay with me.

00:15:29.620 In the first Trump administration, when he chose to kill General Soleimani, you know, Iranian sort of military chief in a drone strike, I was stunned.

00:15:45.460 I remember thinking.

00:15:47.200 I mean, it was so unusual, the specifics of doing that.

00:15:51.380 Right.

00:15:51.900 And bravado with which that was done.

00:15:55.520 And short of Iran, you know, threatening to kill Pompeo and others, nothing has really happened on that.

00:16:03.800 But again, you know, that we just don't know.

00:16:08.840 We don't know.

00:16:09.780 We, the general person, does not understand how that impacted Israel, how that impacted Hezbollah, how that, you know, impacted the entire terrorist organization across the Middle East.

00:16:21.560 And I think that is a little bit of a sort of maybe poetic analogy that I'm trying to get at with this current, you know, capture mission.

00:16:32.240 But the specifics of this capture mission are astonishing to me because it was so successful.

00:16:37.640 That is what is hard to wrap one's head around, at least for me.

00:16:42.300 Killing Solani is a lot easier.

00:16:43.980 Drone striking someone.

00:16:46.040 I mean, this was an astonishingly huge operation.

00:16:49.820 And what if it had failed?

00:16:51.560 It would have been catastrophically bad.

00:16:55.080 And the amount of people, I mean, for us not to lose any asset, not just people, any asset is remarkable.

00:17:03.520 And, you know, one of those ripple effects is, you know, Venezuela is supposed to have the best of China and the best of Russia protecting it.

00:17:11.480 And none of it worked.

00:17:12.940 I mean, I thought about the Chinese salesman that was going to go to the big convention for weapons that is now looking at all their customers who are saying, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:17:22.740 What the hell happened there?

00:17:24.300 How good is this?

00:17:26.000 Because America, you didn't you didn't even launch a missile. 0.51

00:17:28.460 How did that happen?

00:17:30.320 What do we have something new?

00:17:32.500 Do you know?

00:17:34.120 Well, I don't know.

00:17:36.420 I don't know.

00:17:37.140 And this is why it's and I mean, that is like an interesting thought experiment, because.

00:17:42.220 It's we know about the missions that fail.

00:17:45.900 I mean, and again, what what this reminds me of, the closest analogy that failed would have been Bay of Pigs trying to kill Castro.

00:17:55.220 And this, you know, most, you know, people aren't even they only know about this as just like the Bay of Pigs.

00:18:00.820 But if you really look about the drill down on that and understand what happens when something goes wrong, how a president Kennedy in that situation becomes embarrassed and outraged.

00:18:11.400 And so I think we're talking about this mission that was a success.

00:18:17.000 What's more interesting to me is what is that going to do now to this president and his authority, perception of authority and his perception of the use of Delta and his perception of the use of the CIA, because all of these things lined up in his favor in a manner that is unprecedented.

00:18:36.120 And it's scary because you don't want the president.

00:18:40.240 To become arrogant about it.

00:18:43.120 You know, or that wasn't just a miracle.

00:18:47.000 No, but just a bunch of events working at the right.

00:18:51.000 There were one hundred and fifty aircraft involved.

00:18:53.780 Yeah.

00:18:54.260 I mean, the agent, the CIA was in, you know, conducting intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance prior.

00:19:01.860 There's this strange detail of the president by his own admittance calling Maduro and, you know, giving him a heads up, which is just how did that work?

00:19:12.600 We don't know any of this.

00:19:14.320 We don't know what is actually propaganda or, you know, or call it what you will, sort of narrative that you want to tell.

00:19:21.820 These are interesting times.

00:19:24.480 We knew the CIA had been monitoring him, Maduro, and knew where every family member was.

00:19:31.080 Knew, you know, the guys going in knew the dogs.

00:19:33.820 I mean, knew everything.

00:19:35.040 A, quickly, how unusual is that?

00:19:41.080 That's not unusual at all, from what I understand.

00:19:43.460 OK.

00:19:44.100 In other words, the guys who I remember the Jack Ryan writers team going is going back to the, you know, that being shocked to learn.

00:19:54.100 And it's a detail I know, but that I had forgotten how interesting it is that the CIA or the military, they work together in situations like this, essentially has the architectural plans of every important building in every foreign country.

00:20:09.600 And you can fill in the dots why.

00:20:12.400 Yeah, I mean, it was amazing.

00:20:13.820 It was amazing to me when we bombed the nuclear facility that we had been running dry runs of that bombing back in the early 2000s.

00:20:25.720 And that we had built that bomb specifically for that, that, and again, 20 years ago.

00:20:32.820 It's amazing the things that we have filed away and the things that we're working on, just so if the president says, we're going to do that, they're ready.

00:20:41.960 It's incredible.

00:20:44.040 That is absolutely correct.

00:20:45.540 And it's also why I like looking at history to really drill down on these events of the past.

00:20:52.460 And I do it from documents, you know, that are declassified as well as firsthand accounts from the operators who are involved in those missions so that you can become a little bit educated about, you know, what might happen in the future.

00:21:09.820 And, but I am fascinated by this mission and I cannot wait for a little time to pass and be able to learn more.

00:21:18.220 But, um, the Havana syndrome weapon that, you know, they tried to say for a long time that that wasn't real.

00:21:26.880 And I'm like, it's, I don't know, it sounds pretty specific that our people are coming back and going to the hospital and saying the same things were happening to them.

00:21:34.440 Um, is it possible that we now have that?

00:21:38.700 Did we, is it possible we use that on this mission?

00:21:42.200 Well, the, from what I understand that what you're referring to is directed at people, right?

00:21:50.600 Right.

00:21:50.740 So it's working to injure people and it's injuring people in a long-term manner, like short-term term, but also really long-term.

00:22:00.560 So then the sonic weapons then would be more mass to make you vomit or do whatever it is.

00:22:07.120 Those kinds of weapons are different in your opinion.

00:22:09.200 Yeah, they're all, I mean, I've written about these in almost every one of my books because they always connect.

00:22:15.040 So the Havana syndrome type weapons have existed since the fifties.

00:22:18.820 I, I'm just stunned that I'm stunned when reporters are like reporters were saying, this sounds like it's made up.

00:22:25.300 I mean, it just, it's there historically.

00:22:27.040 Of course it exists.

00:22:28.340 Of course it exists.

00:22:29.560 But in terms of the sonic weapons, I wrote about those in my book, DARPA, about the Pentagon's brain, they exist.

00:22:38.020 I've interviewed people who have volunteered to be civilian recipients of those sonic weapons, you know, to see if that actually incapacitates them.

00:22:49.720 Those are short-term weapons, usually, by the way, you can just Google them and find them.

00:22:53.920 So why haven't we used them more or have we, we just didn't notice.

00:22:58.460 And do you think they were used on this mission?

00:23:01.580 We do use them.

00:23:03.120 The real remarkable situation about this mission is that it was a confluence of events that all came together, working together.

00:23:11.180 When, when the reference, I can't remember if it was the president or the chief of staff said that we, you know, took out the electronics.

00:23:18.920 Yeah.

00:23:19.780 Right.

00:23:20.480 That's an old technique that goes back to Gulf War I, which is what we did to Iraq, you know, to the entire system in the first night. 0.99

00:23:29.620 Right.

00:23:29.860 Those were E, I mean, we've had E6s.

00:23:31.940 I think that's what they are.

00:23:32.820 Those E6s, we've had those forever that go in.

00:23:35.480 They're the first ones to go in.

00:23:36.500 They jam everything.

00:23:37.880 But to come in with, I don't remember the number, 26 helicopters, slow and low, and no missile was even launched at them.

00:23:49.000 That's hard to explain.

00:23:51.380 Well, there's no question that that's new technology.

00:23:53.920 And there's always new technology in these missions.

00:23:56.440 Remember the bin Laden raid or kill when they killed bin Laden?

00:24:00.320 That involved new technology with a stealth helicopter that was only unveiled when a piece of the helicopter got left behind in Pakistan.

00:24:09.800 Oh, that's right.

00:24:10.620 That's right.

00:24:11.340 So these are always like secret pieces of technology that we don't know about until they make an appearance on the battlefield.

00:24:18.260 That's the F-117 in Iraq.

00:24:20.340 This is, again, this is history.

00:24:21.960 So it will be interesting to learn eventually what those specific weapons were.

00:24:29.160 But by now, China and Russia already know about them and are developing, if they hadn't sooner.

00:24:36.280 So, you know, I and I talked to the president about this, about why are we still building aircraft carriers when we know in three years, just through AI, everything is going to change.

00:24:48.780 And we're already seeing with the use of drones and everything else.

00:24:51.640 And I equate the time period that we're in to World War One, when Europe came in with all of the horses and they were going to fight it with the horses.

00:25:05.680 And they had no idea that the tank was going to change everything, that you had gas, that, you know, we had flamethrowers and it was going to be a completely different world.

00:25:15.820 And it shocked and horrified the world.

00:25:18.680 And I keep thinking that the next big conflict, God forbid, is going to shock the world at what, at how efficient man has become in killing in war.

00:25:33.240 Do you agree with that?

00:25:35.340 Well, I think your World War One analogy is pretty brilliant and also terrifying.

00:25:42.460 Yeah.

00:25:42.700 Because, you know, let's not forget the chemical weapons that were used, the muscle gas. 0.80

00:25:50.100 And remember that at the out, you know, at the end of World War One, everyone agreed that was the war to end all wars.

00:25:58.120 Right.

00:25:58.720 Because war was perceived as horrible.

00:26:02.500 It had gotten so mechanized.

00:26:04.000 And you had all these treaties that came out of it, Geneva, et cetera, you know, prohibiting chemical weapons, et cetera, only to be completely defied.

00:26:14.460 And so you're absolutely right.

00:26:16.920 I mean, which is the the reason why all of this must be to prevent a World War Three. 0.57

00:26:26.000 Yes, must be full stop.

00:26:29.820 End of sentence.

00:26:30.960 It is dangerous time with weaponry accelerating to a degree that none of us have any idea about.

00:26:37.980 That is how the Defense Department is structured.

00:26:40.780 They are working on weapon systems we are not meant to know about.

00:26:43.940 I will tell you that I saw when I first saw the drones take out people in a tank in Ukraine and how it just waited for them.

00:26:55.760 And there was no escape.

00:26:56.940 It knew how many people were in and it would follow each one.

00:27:00.240 And there's nowhere to go.

00:27:01.700 And I thought, oh, my gosh, put that at scale.

00:27:04.940 Put that on Taiwan. 0.93

00:27:06.960 I mean, that is it's just horrifying, horrifying.

00:27:11.880 And I and I I know that the one thing that truly frightens President Trump is if he brought it up once to me, he's brought up a thousand times in private private conversations.

00:27:24.620 You don't ever want a nuclear war.

00:27:26.720 He's like, Glenn, I helped rebuild it.

00:27:28.800 You have no idea the destruction that can happen.

00:27:31.700 You do not want a nuclear war.

00:27:34.500 And so I know he's trying to prevent those things.

00:27:37.020 But at the same time, I wonder if we're looking over the horizon and seeing, is there something almost as horrific as a nuclear weapon?

00:27:45.820 I mean, the you know, the problem is nuclear weapon is you.

00:27:48.640 So I mean, you just so vividly outline in your book, you know, you push that button and it's over and that we're not looking at those kinds of weapons, I hope.

00:27:58.220 But we are looking at war that will happen in the blink of an eye battles that will be started in over in a blink of an eye.

00:28:06.860 You brought up an interesting point there that maybe I'll tell an anecdotal story about that has to do with acceleration of weaponry.

00:28:16.120 When you spoke of the Ukrainian drones.

00:28:19.180 I think it's I think it's really interesting to consider that drones didn't exist until they did exist in the summer of 2000.

00:28:29.360 I mean, they existed.

00:28:30.320 There were tiny representations of the battlefield in Vietnam.

00:28:33.380 But it was the CIA who really brought the drone to the battlefield in a mission that is kind of analogous or at least important to what happened with Maduro.

00:28:44.320 So it was the summer of 2000.

00:28:47.460 Clinton was president and the CIA wanted to kill bin Laden.

00:28:51.940 This was a year before 9-11.

00:28:54.580 This is because of his attacks against embassies in Africa.

00:28:58.480 Right.

00:28:58.600 And the CIA specifically went to Clinton and asked for permission.

00:29:02.660 They had been developing these drones.

00:29:04.200 I interviewed all the original players in its in surprise Gilvanish.

00:29:07.980 But they went to the president and the president said, no, we will not do that.

00:29:12.780 You need to have an FBI agent with you when you you have to give bin Laden the opportunity to be arrested.

00:29:21.680 Wow.

00:29:22.040 And do you see my analogy?

00:29:24.320 This is exactly what Maduro.

00:29:26.080 They had FBI agents with them.

00:29:29.780 And so my take on hearing about that was, you know, this kind of circular when the when the sort of horseshoe comes together.

00:29:38.640 You had, you know, the CIA was furious that Clinton wouldn't give them permission to kill bin Laden, which much of the world would look back and say, too bad.

00:29:47.480 But they didn't.

00:29:48.760 OK, he wanted to do it the legal way and bring in an FBI agent.

00:29:53.440 The CIA said that's ridiculous.

00:29:55.180 It will never work.

00:29:56.720 And so instead, the CIA developed the Predator drone.

00:30:00.740 And, you know, the rest is history about that going all the way up to your comments about Ukraine.

00:30:05.500 And then you come around full circle where all these weapons, you know, sort of more conventional and also modern day battlefield weapons go in and take out Maduro, but actually arrest him.

00:30:20.900 Yeah.

00:30:21.120 So that just makes my head spin.

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00:30:25.880 With multiple layers of special operations, which and I'm not saying I'm pro or, you know, for or against a mission.

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00:34:08.200 You know, you've written about PEDS, presidential, what is it, executive action initiatives, or I mean, directives, right?

00:34:20.120 And when I first found out about those, I don't know, I'm slow on the pickup sometimes.

00:34:27.640 I've learned a lot about my country in the last 20 years.

00:34:29.700 But when I found out about those, they've been going on for a long time, I was horrified, just absolutely horrified.

00:34:39.240 If that's not the, if that's not authoritarianism, I don't know what is, where the president can put in a directive and it's in there and only the president and maybe one other person can know what it is.

00:34:53.680 And it's only, explain what a PEDS is.

00:34:58.900 Well, you're talking about them in terms of, I believe, what I wrote about in Nuclear War Scenario, whereby they're in the briefcase.

00:35:05.660 And we're talking, I was speaking specifically to PEDS that are directives for the president in the event that the president is going to launch a nuclear counter-strike.

00:35:16.860 But there are other kinds of PEDS.

00:35:19.520 They cover everything.

00:35:20.480 Oh, yes.

00:35:21.140 Yeah.

00:35:21.500 Oh, yes, absolutely.

00:35:22.760 And we don't know about any of them.

00:35:25.020 But again, this is something I've been writing about in all of my books, because the degree of presidential power, of executive branch power that exists and that has existed since World War II is astonishing and most people do not realize or know about.

00:35:40.920 And it's only when some of these radical situations come to the fore that people learn about them.

00:35:47.280 And then I think many people are astonished to learn about them.

00:35:50.500 But it would probably be better to understand how they've always been there.

00:35:55.460 And it's literally just a matter of who uses what kind of authority.

00:36:00.320 You know, you saw during the Bush administration the real exercise of that executive authority for the first time in the modern era, for the first time in the modern era.

00:36:09.700 But they had always been there going back to, interestingly, because Dick Cheney was the vice president.

00:36:15.760 Some people say he was acting like the president.

00:36:18.460 Touché.

00:36:19.140 But, you know, I write in Surprise Kill Vanish about how Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were the chief of staff and the deputy chief of staff to Ford after Nixon was impeached.

00:36:32.200 This is where you can see absolutely the resurgence, the rebirth of executive authority that came directly out of Rumsfeld and Cheney's fear that the church hearings, sorry for too much history.

00:36:48.700 No, no, no. It's great. I love it.

00:36:49.940 What investigated the CIA over the assassinations, right?

00:36:53.840 So the church hearings are happening and we need to, you know, everyone's screaming and shouting.

00:36:59.400 We need to get rid of the power of the CIA.

00:37:01.360 And meanwhile, inside the executive office, the power is being protected and restored.

00:37:08.240 This is the way of the executive branch.

00:37:10.960 And it's better to know it, I believe, than to be the ostrich who pretends it doesn't exist.

00:37:17.320 It's when the proverbial four letter word hits the fan, you better believe that executive authority comes out.

00:37:24.460 And that's what you're talking about with the peds.

00:37:26.380 You know, they can come out of that briefcase or the file whenever.

00:37:32.540 The president wants and you're looking at that right now with what's happening domestically.

00:37:37.740 And so all of these things entwine and become super interesting.

00:37:41.900 I am really concerned.

00:37:43.880 I don't like secret stuff, and I do believe that there are things that we as a nation have to keep secret.

00:37:50.240 And I like that.

00:37:51.160 But we we are secret about everything.

00:37:53.880 And so the secret of things we shouldn't be secret about, you know, it's just we've overclassified everything.

00:38:02.040 And that gives power to a lot of people that maybe shouldn't have power.

00:38:06.140 And and I am I'm I'm very concerned about the growth of the Intel agencies for it, because it is almost like I.

00:38:18.180 I said this to somebody that I can't reveal who it is, but you would you would know who they are.

00:38:23.100 And they were very high up in Intel and and he's not necessarily not a fan of Intel and what's going on and or fan.

00:38:35.020 But I asked him, I said, if the Intel is out of control, if it's almost like they're their own fiefdom, that they can do whatever they want.

00:38:45.460 You know, they don't really report to anybody because a lot of times nobody knows what they're doing.

00:38:51.380 I said, are they are they their own little kingdom?

00:38:55.320 Can they ever be stopped if that's true?

00:38:57.700 And shockingly to me, this man said to me, no, I don't I don't think you ever undo that without just resetting everything.

00:39:07.380 Do you hold that view?

00:39:09.160 I hold a view that's that's shares some of that, but also sort of expands a little bit, starting with this.

00:39:17.620 You know, many people think of the CIA as the intelligence community, not acknowledging that there are 17 intelligence agents that we know of.

00:39:27.860 So I'm assuming there are just look at NRO, the National Reconnaissance Office, which was a classified office from 1960 to 1993, I believe, maybe 92.

00:39:39.080 So for 30 some odd years it existed and no one in the United States of America that wasn't didn't hold a top secret SEI clearance knew it even existed.

00:39:48.580 This is this was the satellite agency, in essence.

00:39:51.900 And so to your question, how powerful is the Intel world?

00:39:57.880 It's very, very powerful.

00:40:00.340 It's also important.

00:40:02.220 Essentially, they are there to give intelligence to the president to prevent military action.

00:40:08.500 This is also transforming in the world in which we live, where intelligence is used not necessarily to prevent, you know, military action, but to foster it.

00:40:21.940 But I think the biggest problem that listeners, viewers would benefit from thinking about is that after 9-11, this new organization, the director of national intelligence, this office was created.

00:40:35.800 And that's what Tulsi Gabbard is currently the director of.

00:40:39.060 And from my understanding of decades on reporting and intelligence is there is a I don't want to say hostility, but there is a rivalry, if you will, or a class of a clash of cultures between

00:40:53.980 the CIA and the, you know, and the, you know, and the, you know, and so things are stovepipe there, which ironically was the whole reason that organization.

00:41:09.340 And again, that is interesting.

00:41:11.780 All this stuff is really interesting to me, Glenn, because it's human nature.

00:41:15.220 You know, what you see, you kind of see in your own family or your tribe or your extended family or your tribe, people getting power or prestige and then kind of wanting a little more.

00:41:26.880 And so I think these are human at the core.

00:41:30.980 They're human issues for somebody.

00:41:32.540 Can they be corrected?

00:41:35.380 I mean, that's the beauty of our Constitution.

00:41:37.520 Average length of a Constitution survival is like 17 years.

00:41:41.060 You know, we're we're we're coming up, you know, over 200 years.

00:41:45.700 And and that's for a reason, I think, because for a lot of those years, it actually had the checks and balances.

00:41:53.080 Our founders, they studied human nature and, you know, they didn't they didn't predict that, like, for instance, Congress would just give up their power and say, no, give it to give it to the agencies because they didn't want to take responsibility for anything.

00:42:06.980 So there's a few things that, you know, over time, they didn't expect humans to do.

00:42:13.900 But we don't have, especially on secret stuff, there doesn't seem to be checks and balances that work.

00:42:21.520 You know, you there's always a backdoor, always a way you can get around it.

00:42:24.880 And and and that's the real problem.

00:42:27.020 They don't.

00:42:28.000 And this is not just the intelligence agency.

00:42:30.340 Nobody seems to be carry ultimate responsibility for anything.

00:42:37.820 You know, you don't know.

00:42:40.200 Who who do I go to?

00:42:42.360 Who do I who do I go to?

00:42:43.840 Who do I fire?

00:42:44.540 Who made that?

00:42:45.340 It's always kind of just nebulous.

00:42:48.240 And and nobody really seems to have responsibility, even though, you know, people have responsibility.

00:42:53.220 You just as a citizen don't know who it is.

00:42:56.040 Does that make sense?

00:42:57.880 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:59.060 It makes sense.

00:42:59.620 I because I am an eternal optimist, which I know people find shocking because I write about the grimmest.

00:43:06.480 Yeah, I know.

00:43:07.580 But I really am an eternal optimist.

00:43:11.180 And I see the situation that we're in now as I see history, which is as a work in progress, as a work in progress.

00:43:21.100 And so I like to be aware of what's happening in the moment, obviously.

00:43:27.320 But I like to look at how far we've come and where things have gotten better, not necessarily where they've gotten worse.

00:43:36.240 Yeah, because I think you know, you know, you know, pessimism, I think leads to paranoia.

00:43:45.580 And that is deeply dangerous, especially for the citizenry, because that's certainly what I'm part of.

00:43:51.360 And so I'm just examining the leaders and the operators as those who are really holding the reins of power.

00:44:00.020 But what's the role of the citizen?

00:44:01.980 Well, I personally think to be curious how you and I started this conversation off camera.

00:44:07.280 That's where the role of the citizen lies, because this business of everybody thinking they are like quarterbacking the president's moves or the secretary of state or I mean, that I find a little suspect because you can one cannot imagine what it would be like to wear the moccasins of those individuals.

00:44:28.980 Oh, my gosh. I can't tell you for the first time. I mean, I've been watching this stuff for a long time, but for the first time we are under this president, I have seen him make moves that affect billions of lives.

00:44:47.200 And if it's wrong, it affects billions of lives in a negative way.

00:44:51.800 And I have thought to myself, I don't know how many times I am too much of a coward to be in the shoes of Rubio or Trump, because I would out of out of responsibility, you know what I mean?

00:45:06.340 I would be like this affects so many people. I don't know if I'm qualified to be the one to make the decision.

00:45:11.180 And it takes a special person if you can take it out of arrogance and keep it under control.

00:45:18.000 It does take a special kind of person that can look at all of it and go, no, we're doing that.

00:45:23.620 Otherwise, you would just you'd be bouncing around over and over again and not and not accomplishing anything.

00:45:30.360 He is really good or bad.

00:45:34.040 He is bold and making decisions that I would never want to be around.

00:45:39.680 Never. Can't imagine it.

00:45:42.780 I'd never sleep.

00:45:43.740 I think, yes, I mean, look, I think that the I specifically do not write about politics.

00:45:50.760 No one has any idea what my political affiliations are.

00:45:54.060 I want to tell you about what happened and what is happening and hopefully that people make their own decisions about things.

00:46:01.380 But I believe that it's really important for the citizenry to continue to have an objective.

00:46:07.400 Like, I would hope that people would be like, hmm, maybe I can benefit from being a little less tribal.

00:46:14.040 Yeah.

00:46:14.460 Right.

00:46:14.960 Yes.

00:46:15.260 And you can look back through the lens of history and maybe find errors, errors where, you know, the course needed to be corrected and where America has gone astray in its leadership.

00:46:29.200 And then how to get back toward, you know, a better way forward.

00:46:35.400 But with that said, and what we have been discussing is that you also have this situation whereby the world, all of us, all of us on this, the world is changing so rapidly.

00:46:45.880 Because of the momentum of technology that everybody has to step up and recognize that decisions need to be made about the direction of some of these major national security issues, you know, in an expedited manner.

00:47:04.980 And that's the real problem with the Congress.

00:47:06.960 You have this old sort of lethargic Congress that can't get anything done.

00:47:12.100 And meanwhile, the world is moving forward at lightning speed.

00:47:14.660 And so then that just gives the executive more power.

00:47:17.600 The president's lean on his ability to create executive orders and do what the perception of the White House needs to be done.

00:47:27.180 I found myself recently saying over and over again before a monologue, please take off your team jersey.

00:47:35.300 We are facing things that are so consequential that you cannot think about it with a team jersey.

00:47:43.840 You have to be rational, you have to be rational, you have to know history.

00:47:47.900 I did a monologue recently on the Insurrection Act.

00:47:52.500 And I went back to Shea's rebellion because I know the founders did not like authoritarianism.

00:48:00.400 They didn't.

00:48:00.920 But they were also afraid of tyranny coming in a mob or tyranny coming with the banner of liberty.

00:48:12.100 You know what I mean?

00:48:13.300 And that is really tough to balance those two.

00:48:16.360 And with the Whiskey Rebellion and Chase Rebellion, they sent in the troops.

00:48:24.240 And as I'm reading the Constitution, it seems pretty clear to me, at least.

00:48:31.300 But you have to be so careful.

00:48:36.180 I mean, they were, George, if you read the words of George Washington on the Whiskey Rebellion, they, I mean, he was very, very careful.

00:48:43.720 He did not want to do that because he didn't want to send the wrong signal to people, you know, that, yep, we're the big state coming in.

00:48:52.060 And he was so against that, but yet he rode in with the troops himself to put it down.

00:49:01.900 You know, how do you how do you view the things that we are going through now?

00:49:09.900 I see this as a completely different time in America.

00:49:14.180 And this is one that people that do what you do are going to be studying for maybe centuries.

00:49:21.180 This is such a pivotal time in world history.

00:49:27.140 Well, the the two differences right now between now and then, most particularly, which we've been discussing, have to do with speed of action, speed of participation and the degree of force involved, the degree of lethality.

00:49:43.520 Right. And, you know, you see that right now inside America.

00:49:48.580 And that's that I couldn't agree with you more that the team jerseys need to come off because the the danger of, you know, being blinded literally by wanting your team to win is profoundly undemocratic.

00:50:10.540 You would want to be curious and say, well, those guys are right about that.

00:50:13.980 But I disagree with that. And that and that is not what we see happening with or almost or almost just as if not more importantly, they're right about this wrong about that.

00:50:25.660 What does the Constitution say? I mean, are my team is team Constitution and team Bill of Rights?

00:50:34.100 You know, that's the team, because that's what's gotten us through all of these really tough times.

00:50:39.420 And the minute we start playing with that or not taking that seriously, the entire thing falls apart and you're you're not America.

00:50:47.580 So it doesn't matter if your team wins or not, because you're not what we were created to be.

00:50:54.280 Mm hmm. Well, I appreciate that a lot.

00:50:58.360 I think in any situation you want to have your North Star, you want to have your guiding principles.

00:51:05.060 You want to be able to refer to a set of, you know, organized ideas so that you can, you know, course correct your own potentialism, which is also in our DNA.

00:51:20.060 I mean, we wouldn't have survived if we if we if we weren't a bit tribal and we didn't sort of have a little bit of protect your own.

00:51:27.400 And so this is this is the balance.

00:51:29.300 Except we were always we were always e pluribus unum for the most part.

00:51:33.480 We've had tribalism break us apart, but we usually came back to the one thing that brought us together.

00:51:40.760 And that was the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the understanding.

00:51:44.220 My father used to say this all the time.

00:51:45.940 I will I I will argue against your point of view till the day I die.

00:51:52.420 I think you are completely wrong, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.

00:51:58.640 And we've lost that.

00:52:00.500 We've lost that.

00:52:02.540 You know, I have no problem if you want to protest.

00:52:05.320 And maybe you can take us through the Insurrection Act, what it gives the the president authority to do and not do here.

00:52:13.520 But I don't ever want to stifle protest.

00:52:16.700 I don't ever want to pick people up because they're protesting this or that.

00:52:20.660 But the minute as I read it, the minute you obstruct the federal government from doing its due course and you are using violent means to do that.

00:52:35.520 You've kind of backed the government into a corner to where, well, what am I going to do?

00:52:40.360 Stop doing our job.

00:52:43.080 I mean, how else do you react to that?

00:52:45.360 Can you go through the Insurrection Act a bit?

00:52:47.920 Yeah, I think the easiest way for people to understand, because sometimes you just want it to be simple, it's like boil it down.

00:52:54.960 That's why I go to the smartest people as they make this simple for me to understand.

00:52:58.900 The Insurrection Act allows the president to use military force inside the United States of America.

00:53:05.480 That's just the simplest, clearest and most important component of it.

00:53:10.720 The National Guard is there to function at the behest of the governor until, you know, and then you get into Title 10 versus Title 32.

00:53:20.720 Here's where a lot of people's eyes glaze over.

00:53:23.720 So we won't.

00:53:24.980 But once the president says, I'm declaring the Insurrection Act, all sort of states bets are off the table.

00:53:36.420 All state authority is in deference now to the military.

00:53:40.580 And if the military moves in following the directives of the president, the authorization of military force is on the table and soldiers are trained in very specific ways.

00:53:56.260 Just look how it behaves in the battle.

00:53:58.580 Yeah, they are not a police force.

00:54:00.060 And here's where, you know, because I was reading about, you know, the Shea rebellion and, you know, they made that decision because the courts were being threatened and so they couldn't do the regular business of the state.

00:54:16.800 And for the military to come in and put a rebellion down is scary because you just don't want to open that can of worms.

00:54:29.520 But it is at times necessary, probably.

00:54:33.160 And but it's very specific that the the state, its functions cannot they are not functioning.

00:54:47.100 Well, like take Minnesota.

00:54:49.160 The courts are still working.

00:54:51.140 The police are still working.

00:54:52.520 They're just not working.

00:54:53.760 You know, I saw the the three Somalis that beat the guy with a snow shovel and it was ice that arrested him, not the the police in the city.

00:55:06.560 And I wondered, is is that a sign that the police are not working and fulfilling their job?

00:55:13.040 I don't know.

00:55:14.460 I mean, it's I don't know if we're going to get a clear answer, which is really horrible.

00:55:20.020 Well, let's go back in time for a minute here.

00:55:23.840 I think the last time that the Insurrection Act was in, you know, was called upon was in 1993 here in Los Angeles, my hometown during the riots was here.

00:55:34.900 And to your point, the police simply could not handle the situation.

00:55:41.060 And so the president authorized the military to basically return Los Angeles to the control of the state.

00:55:51.480 Right.

00:55:52.560 But right.

00:55:53.080 And that is not the situation that you're saying.

00:55:55.000 All right.

00:55:55.420 Yeah.

00:55:55.840 Right.

00:55:56.380 Because it's it's not that the police can't.

00:55:59.400 They're not.

00:56:00.220 And so then you get into, well, I mean, do you think that we that this road started when we started to accept sanctuary cities and that could be on pot or whatever things that we thought were no big deal?

00:56:13.980 You know, even sanctuary cities for immigrants.

00:56:16.960 We all kind of just went, well, that's California or that's, you know, Berkeley or whatever.

00:56:20.580 But once a state and a city decide they can pick and choose the federal laws instead of changing, working to change the laws as the system is supposed to be, that the the end result of that eventually is conflict between the state or the city and the federal government.

00:56:42.020 Because at some point, if it comes to a head, somebody's got to make the decision.

00:56:47.820 And so what you're talking about right now in this situation would be you need the you know, the the phrase cooler heads will prevail comes to mind.

00:56:58.960 Yeah.

00:56:59.240 And that is not what is happening.

00:57:01.060 What is happening is that the states got, you know, the governor is baiting the executive branch, the president in particular, you know, and and and the president has taken the bait and has responded.

00:57:17.320 And so it is very dangerous.

00:57:20.400 It is a very dangerous situation.

00:57:22.540 I saw the press conference by Governor Walz when the this the first press conference he gave and he said something that shocked me.

00:57:31.780 And I'm paraphrasing.

00:57:32.920 You know, we have never been at war with the federal government.

00:57:36.560 And if I'm not mistaken, he used the actual word.

00:57:39.680 He did.

00:57:40.140 And he said civil war.

00:57:41.200 And he also said he referred to it.

00:57:44.260 I don't remember his exact language, but he referred to we are training the National Guard for these actions, which is completely unconstitutional.

00:57:53.420 I don't think he actually meant that.

00:57:55.800 I mean, I don't know why he might have just said it to bait or I don't know.

00:57:59.180 But he said things that I have never heard from a governor again that just to me, when I heard that speech, I thought he's not calling on the National Guard.

00:58:10.820 He is he is activating the citizen National Guard.

00:58:14.460 He is he is saying my people that run my team jersey.

00:58:18.200 I need you to do the things that the National Guard can't do.

00:58:23.560 Yes.

00:58:24.120 And then the president did the same thing either last night or today, whereby he used some incendiary language, you know, calling upon we're coming for you.

00:58:33.780 I mean, this is this is truly bananas, you know.

00:58:36.620 And then you have the governor using the word atrocity, which can only remind any of us of World War Two, which is a really poor word choice.

00:58:46.880 So you have, you know, poor, poor word choices coming out of the mouths of the people who are supposed to be restoring order and paying attention to the North Star of the Constitution, instead acting like children in a sandbox.

00:59:01.840 I say that as a mother who watched this, these kind of things happen literally.

00:59:07.620 And yet the power and the the the responsibility of these offices is just being ignored, to my opinion, on both parties.

00:59:17.100 Yeah, I tell you, I you know, when they were talking about arresting Bill and Hillary Clinton.

00:59:22.440 I what are you thinking?

00:59:26.520 First of all, it's to get answers on Epstein.

00:59:30.020 And we all know you're never going to get answers on Epstein.

00:59:33.320 You don't have anything except a flight log.

00:59:35.780 I mean, if you had stuff, maybe, but you don't have stuff.

00:59:39.400 We're not. That is just baiting, just baiting.

00:59:43.060 And, you know, I said, look, if you want to go, you know, on Gazprom or any anything, a Clinton initiative and you have evidence, then what has to happen is it needs to go over to the DOJ.

00:59:55.820 And somebody who's an adult needs to stand with a long, boring list and say, here are the charges here.

01:00:04.500 Here is the evidence.

01:00:05.900 This is not personal.

01:00:07.680 It's not revenge.

01:00:08.660 It is based on the law of these charges.

01:00:11.900 You don't put.

01:00:14.260 The GOP or the DNC.

01:00:17.800 Calling somebody in for questioning and then throw them in jail.

01:00:22.900 I mean, it just seems like that's a dream come true for the Clintons.

01:00:27.720 If you really wanted to really stir things up, do me another favor.

01:00:32.180 Can you arrest her at the same time you arrest me?

01:00:34.800 It's crazy.

01:00:36.360 It's crazy.

01:00:37.520 Got to stop.

01:00:39.300 I wonder, you know, it's so important to have people in your orbit that give you counsel that you might not necessarily like at first blush.

01:00:52.320 It's vital.

01:00:52.880 And so it seems to me that, you know, the word sycophant always comes to mind because you see it.

01:01:00.820 I see it happen around many powerful people where they just isolate themselves or insulate themselves with opinions by people from people that are only really looking out for their own interests.

01:01:19.020 And I can't help but feel like when the jersey just is on and will not come off the team jersey.

01:01:25.660 It's because that person is lacking any kind of, you know, outside counsel, for lack of a better phrase.

01:01:35.400 Well, we're not in a place.

01:01:36.900 You know, when I did that monologue, I looked at my executive producer and said, well, this is not going to make me popular with the diehard team jersey.

01:01:43.900 You know, because there's a lot of people that feel I arrest them.

01:01:47.480 We know they're guilty of something.

01:01:49.000 You know, that's not what you do.

01:01:50.140 But that's how people feel.

01:01:51.480 Same thing with with Minnesota.

01:01:55.000 They think that Donald Trump is, you know, an authoritarian.

01:01:58.140 Nothing's going to change their mind.

01:01:59.300 And so there's no reason happening behind any of that.

01:02:03.900 But you to save our nation, you have to have people that will say.

01:02:11.980 But here's the key.

01:02:14.820 Honest people that disagree with you honestly, that will say, Mr.

01:02:19.940 President, I don't agree with you on a lot of stuff.

01:02:22.640 I respect you.

01:02:23.500 I respect the office.

01:02:24.720 I am not playing for a team.

01:02:26.520 I'm playing for principles here.

01:02:28.340 And you have to consider these principles.

01:02:30.900 I don't know any smart or reasonable person that is against that.

01:02:34.920 But we've lost the ability for people at the second tier, it feels, to be that kind of person.

01:02:43.360 You know, they they they are sycophants.

01:02:46.420 We need people of real courage to walk into a room like that and say, I know you're the most powerful person in the world.

01:02:53.320 And I respect you on this, this and this.

01:02:55.100 But I disagree on this.

01:02:56.560 I mean, well, probably the best conversation I ever had with Donald Trump was on trade.

01:03:02.560 I disagree with him on trade.

01:03:04.520 And it was amazing.

01:03:06.560 He said, OK, so what is the problem with trade?

01:03:09.120 And I expected just a little thing.

01:03:11.580 We had about a 25, 30 minute talk.

01:03:14.280 He listened.

01:03:15.060 He repeated the things back.

01:03:16.880 So he really I knew he was listening and understanding.

01:03:19.840 And and then at the end, I expected him to say what all politicians would say.

01:03:25.580 You know, I'm going to take that under advice.

01:03:27.000 I'm going to look into that knowing that he wasn't going to.

01:03:29.880 You know what I mean?

01:03:30.340 But he listened and he said, Glenn.

01:03:34.720 Nothing, nothing you said I haven't thought of already.

01:03:38.780 I've been thinking about this my whole life, so I'm not going to change.

01:03:43.040 But I appreciate the exchange.

01:03:44.960 And I thought that's what I want from somebody in leadership.

01:03:48.800 I want somebody to listen, tell me that they've already thought about these things and know that that is true.

01:03:55.000 And then tell me the truth when I walk out the door.

01:03:58.500 I'm not going to do that.

01:04:00.640 Great.

01:04:01.620 Great.

01:04:02.160 Thank you for the honesty.

01:04:03.900 We just have to find more people that will do that.

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01:06:31.400 Let me let me ask you, because I was curious on going back to Greenland.

01:06:37.580 In reading your book, and I have heard so many people recently say, no, you know what?

01:06:42.660 We have these we have this defense system that can shoot those missiles out of the sky.

01:06:47.040 And have you read Annie's book?

01:06:49.800 Because that ain't true.

01:06:53.180 And then I heard the president say we need the Golden Dome.

01:06:56.880 We need Greenland for the Golden Dome.

01:06:59.820 Is any of that technology real?

01:07:03.020 For nuclear missiles?

01:07:04.520 You're speaking specifically about can we shoot will the Golden Dome intercept?

01:07:12.720 Yeah.

01:07:12.900 What is the what's the difference between what we say we have that you in your book show?

01:07:18.360 That's garbage.

01:07:19.140 What's the difference between that and this new thing called the Golden Dome for intercontinental ballistic missiles?

01:07:28.140 Yes.

01:07:28.620 So to be clear, what we have now are interceptor missiles that are on the ground and they fire at an incoming ICBM, ideally making contact with the warhead 500 miles up in space.

01:07:44.760 Crazy.

01:07:45.680 OK, that's what an interceptor system is.

01:07:48.140 It's got about a 50 percent success rate.

01:07:50.940 There are 44 of them.

01:07:52.260 That's going to do nothing against a thousand incoming ICBMs. 0.91

01:07:56.460 The Golden Dome, again, simplifying it down, is sort of the 21st century version of Ronald Reagan's Star Wars program.

01:08:06.460 The Strategic Defense Initiative, which was the idea that you would put, you know, systems in space.

01:08:14.560 And I use that word systems because that is where you're getting into the classifications that you or I cannot know about, Glenn.

01:08:23.060 People who claim to know about this are just, you know, wagging their tail.

01:08:27.280 That is just I know the people I have interviewed the people in the defense companies like Anderol who are working on these components.

01:08:35.580 And the closest thing we the citizenry can ever get to this who are not top secret cleared is that maybe they involve cube satellites.

01:08:44.460 OK, so systems in space that are directing, you know, other systems to shoot down an incoming ICBM.

01:08:54.540 My guess is that is laser technology.

01:08:58.660 That is what would make sense.

01:09:02.040 OK, so would that work?

01:09:05.340 This is a classic situation where we do not know we will not know until these systems are declassified.

01:09:14.700 And so, yes, one side of the argument is this is just a military industrial complex trillion dollar swindle to give a lot of money to the defense industry to posture against China, Russia, North Korea, et cetera, that we can take down their incoming ICBMs should they come our way.

01:09:34.180 And the other side of the argument is, oh, no, we actually have an advanced technology system, maybe involving CubeSats that could do this.

01:09:43.780 We don't know.

01:09:45.160 We don't know.

01:09:45.660 Just we don't know.

01:09:47.140 I will tell you, I think I've seen China demonstrate laser technology on missiles that was pretty remarkable.

01:09:54.900 I don't know if it's real or not, but it was it's pretty remarkable.

01:09:57.800 Well, this is a very real threat.

01:10:00.780 And there was an executive order that came out of the White House in December, which went completely under the radar, but is super significant because it specifically addresses what a threat space is in terms of nuclear weaponry.

01:10:16.580 Yeah.

01:10:16.820 And without getting too into the weeds, you know, from reading nuclear war scenario.

01:10:21.800 Thank you for reading.

01:10:22.940 Thank you for asking the president.

01:10:24.020 Love it.

01:10:24.460 You know, I talk about how there was the very serious possibility that North Korea had or could send a small nuclear warhead into space disguised as a satellite.

01:10:40.240 And it would be orbiting the globe and that were that specific, you know, nuclear small warhead were to detonate 300 miles directly over the United States of America.

01:10:52.620 It would be what is called electric Armageddon.

01:10:56.240 It would take out the entire power grid.

01:11:00.220 That is not a fantasy.

01:11:01.840 That is a fact.

01:11:02.880 And so the president wrote an EO to address exactly that kind of a threat.

01:11:08.740 And I think that is very interesting.

01:11:12.480 Let me let me end this.

01:11:13.980 I could talk to you forever and I can't thank you enough for coming on again.

01:11:18.420 But let me end this with something that I thought of again on Venezuela.

01:11:24.220 And that was the president said that the Space Force was involved.

01:11:30.300 Yes, they were.

01:11:31.440 Do you know how?

01:11:32.180 Yes, because the Space Force is in charge of looking at all of or conducting all ISR intelligence surveillance.

01:11:40.980 And then that leads to reconnaissance from space, from satellites, because the remarkable abilities from what a camera can see from hundreds of miles up down on the ground is astonishing.

01:11:55.180 That's why that's why that is all classified.

01:11:57.580 That's why I always put my money on NRO as the most important intelligence agency that no one ever talks about.

01:12:06.540 Thank you so much.

01:12:07.900 I really appreciate your conversations.

01:12:10.380 God bless you.

01:12:11.340 Thanks.

01:12:11.580 Thank you for having me.

01:12:12.900 You bet.

01:12:18.860 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:12:26.140 Thank you.

01:12:38.980 See you next time.

01:12:43.260 Bye.

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 31, 2026

Ep 276 ｜ ‘Jack Ryan’ TV Show Predicted Maduro’s Capture？! ｜ Annie Jacobsen ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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