On this episode of the Glenn Beck Show, host Glenn Beck sits down with Jack Ryan's long-time friend and former Jack Ryan consultant Mark Colombo to discuss the CIA's secret mission to bring down the Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
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00:02:34.720And it was like, and, you know, it's a collaborative effort, by the way, it's not, uh, you know, every, we're all working together to figure out the best, the best storyline, but the actual capture, um, the assault, um, the compound was something that I brought in a bunch of, you know, air quotes, former military folks.
00:02:56.660Help the writer's room, um, understand how we could portray that kind of a, of a killer capture mission authentically.
00:03:08.500And so you wrote a book about killing capture, um, but the rest of the world, and, and I think this probably even goes to military people were shocked by how that went down.
00:03:20.900I mean, it puts America in a different place, militarily speaking, I think it shows maybe we have things that nobody understands and we're far more advanced, uh, than what anybody thought.
00:03:36.400Um, how, how shocked were you at how that went down?
00:03:41.000Well, I was shocked for a very different reason.
00:03:45.100And I think for me, I'm always looking at the technical aspects of things in terms of the military equipment and the planning, what's called, and then also how it sits in the long line of history.
00:04:01.200Meaning militaries and the CIA's kill or capture missions since the invention of the sea or the, rather the, the, the sort of CIA became an organization after world war two and dealt, but organizations like Delta force.
00:04:18.740So to me, that's, what's shocking is how it's absolutely changing.
00:04:22.980And, you know, we can get into the details of that because that's what I find really interesting.
00:04:28.400So I do want to get into that because the one thing I, I hate the things the CIA has done, um, much of it is good, but a lot of it is not good.
00:04:39.600And I think a lot of the world hates us because we'll, we have had these policies of, we're going to just depose somebody and we're going to pick the next person for you.
00:04:49.360And so the idea of self-rule and everything else, it just becomes, this is America's guy.
00:04:56.100And that hasn't worked out well for us many times.
00:04:59.920Um, and it's very short-term thinking.
00:05:38.700And what's also interesting is that every, if you, I think if you look at the presidents and you approach, if you're like me, a historian who writes specifically about military and intelligence, you can see how the president, or at least I can, is impacted by both his predecessors.
00:06:00.400And because presidents are briefed on what the other guys have done and who they want to emulate.
00:06:07.480And then also they want to set their own sort of stamp on, you know, special activities, if you will, euphemism for this kind of thing, a killer capture mission.
00:06:17.940But this current president never ceases to amaze me.
00:06:21.700And that was true in the last, uh, his last term as well.
00:06:26.200And when I say amaze, meaning the playbook is not by any stretch predictable or rather it doesn't follow a foot.
00:06:39.880I almost use the word fun and that's a terrible word.
00:06:42.340It's not fun, but it's intriguing to look at how these different presidents approach all this and also how they are impacted by their own successes or failures.
00:06:53.120And that's where it gets really interesting because you can go all the way back to Kennedy and look at how his personal embarrassment over one organization's failed killer capture mission impacts the world going forward.
00:07:09.120You know, um, uh, I think that's one thing that people don't understand that I, I really like about Donald Trump in, in ways scares the hell out of me because he's playing very high stakes games.
00:07:22.540Um, but it seems logical to me, at least I can understand why he's doing things that I think even world leaders are missing.
00:07:32.680He is just, he is saying, I am not playing by the old rules because he sees the old rules getting us from Bretton Woods to where we are now.
00:07:44.220And he doesn't believe we're in a good place.
00:07:46.820Those, you know, might've been good for the time back in the forties and fifties, but the world has changed.
00:07:51.980And so he's, I'm not playing by the rules.
00:07:55.620And I think it took them quite a while before the world started waking up and going, Oh, Oh, wait, wait, wait.
00:08:02.080At what point do you think the world is going to catch up to him and say, okay, I can predict what he's going to do next.
00:08:12.060Well, I think your observations are super interesting and, and they point to something I think about also, which is like, I write about history and it's easier to look at, look at operations through the lens of history.
00:08:28.500And then kind of, you know, reverse engineer your opinion.
00:08:32.300I mean, and I mean that with all humility, that that is actually easier.
00:08:36.420What you just commented on is saying, here's what's happening in the present day.
00:08:47.700And so it's kind of like a comfort being a historian.
00:08:50.480But what's crazy about this is that I am repeatedly being like asked to comment on things that we thought were history that are actually present day.
00:09:01.340So if you just look at, like, I mean, I did not expect to be writing, you know, suggesting to the Jack Ryan writers team, hey, let's do an authentic killer capture mission inside the Venezuela and then have it essentially become kind of true reality.
00:10:36.180And is there a chance that we can get what we need from Greenland without, you know, sending in military or doing something like that?
00:10:47.960Well, I think what you're also pointing out is very important point about what the president and let's call him POTUS, what a POTUS wants to do, what they have the power to do,
00:11:01.820which is mostly the answer is everything, in my opinion, understanding.
00:11:06.360And then what happens, the events that happen and then how the public perception then moves the rudder on on what happens moving forward.
00:11:16.560And so the closest analogy I could make to this presidential, this president's term is like if you look back at the Eisenhower administration after Trump, right?
00:11:29.720But everything was happening in secret.
00:11:31.960And this and I say to say this because this is when like Greenland became this key focal point in the nuclear threat from the Soviet Union.
00:11:43.840But everything that Eisenhower did was done in secret.
00:11:48.920There were no conversations between him and someone like yourself, like a president.
00:11:53.860And right there was it was he and his advisers, his special group.
00:12:50.480And then there also is now this new sort of pressure on what happens in the present tense, which is based on public opinion, which exists in the 1950s.
00:13:06.800People were just way behind the curve.
00:13:09.060And now you're talking about a daily dose of opinion from billions of people around the world, which does impact not only the president's opinion of what he might do, but what others do, what Europe does, what China does.
00:13:27.080And so it's completely new territory and it's interesting for us to discuss.
00:13:35.060I cannot encourage people enough to read history because then it takes the sort of impact.
00:13:42.000Like, how could we be so crazy as to you go?
00:14:12.760You know, my job is to give opinions and I feel less and less qualified to give those opinions every day because we're dealing with things that if he's right, it's going to change the world.
00:14:24.940I think for a much better and freer world, in my opinion.
00:14:30.340But if he's wrong, it could be catastrophic.
00:14:34.220I mean, you just look at he seems to when it came to Venezuela, I felt like he took, you know, the old term, you know, two birds with one stone.
00:14:41.520I felt like he took one stone and knocked out 200 birds.
00:14:45.620I mean, everything China, everything was is affected by that.
00:14:50.700And at some point, you're backing these big countries into corners.
00:14:58.980And that's when countries or anybody becomes dangerous is when they are like, I have no other thing I can do.
00:15:05.980And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you probably know better than I.
00:15:09.560But I think that most wars, if not all wars, all begin with just a simple miscalculation.
00:15:27.660And it sounds like a tangent, but stay with me.
00:15:29.620In the first Trump administration, when he chose to kill General Soleimani, you know, Iranian sort of military chief in a drone strike, I was stunned.
00:16:09.780We, the general person, does not understand how that impacted Israel, how that impacted Hezbollah, how that, you know, impacted the entire terrorist organization across the Middle East.
00:16:21.560And I think that is a little bit of a sort of maybe poetic analogy that I'm trying to get at with this current, you know, capture mission.
00:16:32.240But the specifics of this capture mission are astonishing to me because it was so successful.
00:16:37.640That is what is hard to wrap one's head around, at least for me.
00:16:51.560It would have been catastrophically bad.
00:16:55.080And the amount of people, I mean, for us not to lose any asset, not just people, any asset is remarkable.
00:17:03.520And, you know, one of those ripple effects is, you know, Venezuela is supposed to have the best of China and the best of Russia protecting it.
00:17:12.940I mean, I thought about the Chinese salesman that was going to go to the big convention for weapons that is now looking at all their customers who are saying, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:17:37.140And this is why it's and I mean, that is like an interesting thought experiment, because.
00:17:42.220It's we know about the missions that fail.
00:17:45.900I mean, and again, what what this reminds me of, the closest analogy that failed would have been Bay of Pigs trying to kill Castro.
00:17:55.220And this, you know, most, you know, people aren't even they only know about this as just like the Bay of Pigs.
00:18:00.820But if you really look about the drill down on that and understand what happens when something goes wrong, how a president Kennedy in that situation becomes embarrassed and outraged.
00:18:11.400And so I think we're talking about this mission that was a success.
00:18:17.000What's more interesting to me is what is that going to do now to this president and his authority, perception of authority and his perception of the use of Delta and his perception of the use of the CIA, because all of these things lined up in his favor in a manner that is unprecedented.
00:18:36.120And it's scary because you don't want the president.
00:18:54.260I mean, the agent, the CIA was in, you know, conducting intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance prior.
00:19:01.860There's this strange detail of the president by his own admittance calling Maduro and, you know, giving him a heads up, which is just how did that work?
00:19:44.100In other words, the guys who I remember the Jack Ryan writers team going is going back to the, you know, that being shocked to learn.
00:19:54.100And it's a detail I know, but that I had forgotten how interesting it is that the CIA or the military, they work together in situations like this, essentially has the architectural plans of every important building in every foreign country.
00:20:13.820It was amazing to me when we bombed the nuclear facility that we had been running dry runs of that bombing back in the early 2000s.
00:20:25.720And that we had built that bomb specifically for that, that, and again, 20 years ago.
00:20:32.820It's amazing the things that we have filed away and the things that we're working on, just so if the president says, we're going to do that, they're ready.
00:20:45.540And it's also why I like looking at history to really drill down on these events of the past.
00:20:52.460And I do it from documents, you know, that are declassified as well as firsthand accounts from the operators who are involved in those missions so that you can become a little bit educated about, you know, what might happen in the future.
00:21:09.820And, but I am fascinated by this mission and I cannot wait for a little time to pass and be able to learn more.
00:21:18.220But, um, the Havana syndrome weapon that, you know, they tried to say for a long time that that wasn't real.
00:21:26.880And I'm like, it's, I don't know, it sounds pretty specific that our people are coming back and going to the hospital and saying the same things were happening to them.
00:21:34.440Um, is it possible that we now have that?
00:21:38.700Did we, is it possible we use that on this mission?
00:21:42.200Well, the, from what I understand that what you're referring to is directed at people, right?
00:22:29.560But in terms of the sonic weapons, I wrote about those in my book, DARPA, about the Pentagon's brain, they exist.
00:22:38.020I've interviewed people who have volunteered to be civilian recipients of those sonic weapons, you know, to see if that actually incapacitates them.
00:22:49.720Those are short-term weapons, usually, by the way, you can just Google them and find them.
00:22:53.920So why haven't we used them more or have we, we just didn't notice.
00:22:58.460And do you think they were used on this mission?
00:24:21.960So it will be interesting to learn eventually what those specific weapons were.
00:24:29.160But by now, China and Russia already know about them and are developing, if they hadn't sooner.
00:24:36.280So, you know, I and I talked to the president about this, about why are we still building aircraft carriers when we know in three years, just through AI, everything is going to change.
00:24:48.780And we're already seeing with the use of drones and everything else.
00:24:51.640And I equate the time period that we're in to World War One, when Europe came in with all of the horses and they were going to fight it with the horses.
00:25:05.680And they had no idea that the tank was going to change everything, that you had gas, that, you know, we had flamethrowers and it was going to be a completely different world.
00:25:15.820And it shocked and horrified the world.
00:25:18.680And I keep thinking that the next big conflict, God forbid, is going to shock the world at what, at how efficient man has become in killing in war.
00:26:04.000And you had all these treaties that came out of it, Geneva, et cetera, you know, prohibiting chemical weapons, et cetera, only to be completely defied.
00:27:06.960I mean, that is it's just horrifying, horrifying.
00:27:11.880And I and I I know that the one thing that truly frightens President Trump is if he brought it up once to me, he's brought up a thousand times in private private conversations.
00:27:34.500And so I know he's trying to prevent those things.
00:27:37.020But at the same time, I wonder if we're looking over the horizon and seeing, is there something almost as horrific as a nuclear weapon?
00:27:45.820I mean, the you know, the problem is nuclear weapon is you.
00:27:48.640So I mean, you just so vividly outline in your book, you know, you push that button and it's over and that we're not looking at those kinds of weapons, I hope.
00:27:58.220But we are looking at war that will happen in the blink of an eye battles that will be started in over in a blink of an eye.
00:28:06.860You brought up an interesting point there that maybe I'll tell an anecdotal story about that has to do with acceleration of weaponry.
00:28:16.120When you spoke of the Ukrainian drones.
00:28:19.180I think it's I think it's really interesting to consider that drones didn't exist until they did exist in the summer of 2000.
00:28:30.320There were tiny representations of the battlefield in Vietnam.
00:28:33.380But it was the CIA who really brought the drone to the battlefield in a mission that is kind of analogous or at least important to what happened with Maduro.
00:29:29.780And so my take on hearing about that was, you know, this kind of circular when the when the sort of horseshoe comes together.
00:29:38.640You had, you know, the CIA was furious that Clinton wouldn't give them permission to kill bin Laden, which much of the world would look back and say, too bad.
00:29:56.720And so instead, the CIA developed the Predator drone.
00:30:00.740And, you know, the rest is history about that going all the way up to your comments about Ukraine.
00:30:05.500And then you come around full circle where all these weapons, you know, sort of more conventional and also modern day battlefield weapons go in and take out Maduro, but actually arrest him.
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00:34:08.200You know, you've written about PEDS, presidential, what is it, executive action initiatives, or I mean, directives, right?
00:34:20.120And when I first found out about those, I don't know, I'm slow on the pickup sometimes.
00:34:27.640I've learned a lot about my country in the last 20 years.
00:34:29.700But when I found out about those, they've been going on for a long time, I was horrified, just absolutely horrified.
00:34:39.240If that's not the, if that's not authoritarianism, I don't know what is, where the president can put in a directive and it's in there and only the president and maybe one other person can know what it is.
00:34:53.680And it's only, explain what a PEDS is.
00:34:58.900Well, you're talking about them in terms of, I believe, what I wrote about in Nuclear War Scenario, whereby they're in the briefcase.
00:35:05.660And we're talking, I was speaking specifically to PEDS that are directives for the president in the event that the president is going to launch a nuclear counter-strike.
00:35:25.020But again, this is something I've been writing about in all of my books, because the degree of presidential power, of executive branch power that exists and that has existed since World War II is astonishing and most people do not realize or know about.
00:35:40.920And it's only when some of these radical situations come to the fore that people learn about them.
00:35:47.280And then I think many people are astonished to learn about them.
00:35:50.500But it would probably be better to understand how they've always been there.
00:35:55.460And it's literally just a matter of who uses what kind of authority.
00:36:00.320You know, you saw during the Bush administration the real exercise of that executive authority for the first time in the modern era, for the first time in the modern era.
00:36:09.700But they had always been there going back to, interestingly, because Dick Cheney was the vice president.
00:36:15.760Some people say he was acting like the president.
00:36:19.140But, you know, I write in Surprise Kill Vanish about how Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were the chief of staff and the deputy chief of staff to Ford after Nixon was impeached.
00:36:32.200This is where you can see absolutely the resurgence, the rebirth of executive authority that came directly out of Rumsfeld and Cheney's fear that the church hearings, sorry for too much history.
00:37:51.160But we we are secret about everything.
00:37:53.880And so the secret of things we shouldn't be secret about, you know, it's just we've overclassified everything.
00:38:02.040And that gives power to a lot of people that maybe shouldn't have power.
00:38:06.140And and I am I'm I'm very concerned about the growth of the Intel agencies for it, because it is almost like I.
00:38:18.180I said this to somebody that I can't reveal who it is, but you would you would know who they are.
00:38:23.100And they were very high up in Intel and and he's not necessarily not a fan of Intel and what's going on and or fan.
00:38:35.020But I asked him, I said, if the Intel is out of control, if it's almost like they're their own fiefdom, that they can do whatever they want.
00:38:45.460You know, they don't really report to anybody because a lot of times nobody knows what they're doing.
00:38:51.380I said, are they are they their own little kingdom?
00:38:55.320Can they ever be stopped if that's true?
00:38:57.700And shockingly to me, this man said to me, no, I don't I don't think you ever undo that without just resetting everything.
00:39:09.160I hold a view that's that's shares some of that, but also sort of expands a little bit, starting with this.
00:39:17.620You know, many people think of the CIA as the intelligence community, not acknowledging that there are 17 intelligence agents that we know of.
00:39:27.860So I'm assuming there are just look at NRO, the National Reconnaissance Office, which was a classified office from 1960 to 1993, I believe, maybe 92.
00:39:39.080So for 30 some odd years it existed and no one in the United States of America that wasn't didn't hold a top secret SEI clearance knew it even existed.
00:39:48.580This is this was the satellite agency, in essence.
00:39:51.900And so to your question, how powerful is the Intel world?
00:40:02.220Essentially, they are there to give intelligence to the president to prevent military action.
00:40:08.500This is also transforming in the world in which we live, where intelligence is used not necessarily to prevent, you know, military action, but to foster it.
00:40:21.940But I think the biggest problem that listeners, viewers would benefit from thinking about is that after 9-11, this new organization, the director of national intelligence, this office was created.
00:40:35.800And that's what Tulsi Gabbard is currently the director of.
00:40:39.060And from my understanding of decades on reporting and intelligence is there is a I don't want to say hostility, but there is a rivalry, if you will, or a class of a clash of cultures between
00:40:53.980the CIA and the, you know, and the, you know, and the, you know, and so things are stovepipe there, which ironically was the whole reason that organization.
00:41:11.780All this stuff is really interesting to me, Glenn, because it's human nature.
00:41:15.220You know, what you see, you kind of see in your own family or your tribe or your extended family or your tribe, people getting power or prestige and then kind of wanting a little more.
00:41:26.880And so I think these are human at the core.
00:41:35.380I mean, that's the beauty of our Constitution.
00:41:37.520Average length of a Constitution survival is like 17 years.
00:41:41.060You know, we're we're we're coming up, you know, over 200 years.
00:41:45.700And and that's for a reason, I think, because for a lot of those years, it actually had the checks and balances.
00:41:53.080Our founders, they studied human nature and, you know, they didn't they didn't predict that, like, for instance, Congress would just give up their power and say, no, give it to give it to the agencies because they didn't want to take responsibility for anything.
00:42:06.980So there's a few things that, you know, over time, they didn't expect humans to do.
00:42:13.900But we don't have, especially on secret stuff, there doesn't seem to be checks and balances that work.
00:42:21.520You know, you there's always a backdoor, always a way you can get around it.
00:44:01.980Well, I personally think to be curious how you and I started this conversation off camera.
00:44:07.280That's where the role of the citizen lies, because this business of everybody thinking they are like quarterbacking the president's moves or the secretary of state or I mean, that I find a little suspect because you can one cannot imagine what it would be like to wear the moccasins of those individuals.
00:44:28.980Oh, my gosh. I can't tell you for the first time. I mean, I've been watching this stuff for a long time, but for the first time we are under this president, I have seen him make moves that affect billions of lives.
00:44:47.200And if it's wrong, it affects billions of lives in a negative way.
00:44:51.800And I have thought to myself, I don't know how many times I am too much of a coward to be in the shoes of Rubio or Trump, because I would out of out of responsibility, you know what I mean?
00:45:06.340I would be like this affects so many people. I don't know if I'm qualified to be the one to make the decision.
00:45:11.180And it takes a special person if you can take it out of arrogance and keep it under control.
00:45:18.000It does take a special kind of person that can look at all of it and go, no, we're doing that.
00:45:23.620Otherwise, you would just you'd be bouncing around over and over again and not and not accomplishing anything.
00:46:15.260And you can look back through the lens of history and maybe find errors, errors where, you know, the course needed to be corrected and where America has gone astray in its leadership.
00:46:29.200And then how to get back toward, you know, a better way forward.
00:46:35.400But with that said, and what we have been discussing is that you also have this situation whereby the world, all of us, all of us on this, the world is changing so rapidly.
00:46:45.880Because of the momentum of technology that everybody has to step up and recognize that decisions need to be made about the direction of some of these major national security issues, you know, in an expedited manner.
00:47:04.980And that's the real problem with the Congress.
00:47:06.960You have this old sort of lethargic Congress that can't get anything done.
00:47:12.100And meanwhile, the world is moving forward at lightning speed.
00:47:14.660And so then that just gives the executive more power.
00:47:17.600The president's lean on his ability to create executive orders and do what the perception of the White House needs to be done.
00:47:27.180I found myself recently saying over and over again before a monologue, please take off your team jersey.
00:47:35.300We are facing things that are so consequential that you cannot think about it with a team jersey.
00:47:43.840You have to be rational, you have to be rational, you have to know history.
00:47:47.900I did a monologue recently on the Insurrection Act.
00:47:52.500And I went back to Shea's rebellion because I know the founders did not like authoritarianism.
00:48:36.180I mean, they were, George, if you read the words of George Washington on the Whiskey Rebellion, they, I mean, he was very, very careful.
00:48:43.720He did not want to do that because he didn't want to send the wrong signal to people, you know, that, yep, we're the big state coming in.
00:48:52.060And he was so against that, but yet he rode in with the troops himself to put it down.
00:49:01.900You know, how do you how do you view the things that we are going through now?
00:49:09.900I see this as a completely different time in America.
00:49:14.180And this is one that people that do what you do are going to be studying for maybe centuries.
00:49:21.180This is such a pivotal time in world history.
00:49:27.140Well, the the two differences right now between now and then, most particularly, which we've been discussing, have to do with speed of action, speed of participation and the degree of force involved, the degree of lethality.
00:49:43.520Right. And, you know, you see that right now inside America.
00:49:48.580And that's that I couldn't agree with you more that the team jerseys need to come off because the the danger of, you know, being blinded literally by wanting your team to win is profoundly undemocratic.
00:50:10.540You would want to be curious and say, well, those guys are right about that.
00:50:13.980But I disagree with that. And that and that is not what we see happening with or almost or almost just as if not more importantly, they're right about this wrong about that.
00:50:25.660What does the Constitution say? I mean, are my team is team Constitution and team Bill of Rights?
00:50:34.100You know, that's the team, because that's what's gotten us through all of these really tough times.
00:50:39.420And the minute we start playing with that or not taking that seriously, the entire thing falls apart and you're you're not America.
00:50:47.580So it doesn't matter if your team wins or not, because you're not what we were created to be.
00:50:54.280Mm hmm. Well, I appreciate that a lot.
00:50:58.360I think in any situation you want to have your North Star, you want to have your guiding principles.
00:51:05.060You want to be able to refer to a set of, you know, organized ideas so that you can, you know, course correct your own potentialism, which is also in our DNA.
00:51:20.060I mean, we wouldn't have survived if we if we if we weren't a bit tribal and we didn't sort of have a little bit of protect your own.
00:52:02.540You know, I have no problem if you want to protest.
00:52:05.320And maybe you can take us through the Insurrection Act, what it gives the the president authority to do and not do here.
00:52:13.520But I don't ever want to stifle protest.
00:52:16.700I don't ever want to pick people up because they're protesting this or that.
00:52:20.660But the minute as I read it, the minute you obstruct the federal government from doing its due course and you are using violent means to do that.
00:52:35.520You've kind of backed the government into a corner to where, well, what am I going to do?
00:53:24.980But once the president says, I'm declaring the Insurrection Act, all sort of states bets are off the table.
00:53:36.420All state authority is in deference now to the military.
00:53:40.580And if the military moves in following the directives of the president, the authorization of military force is on the table and soldiers are trained in very specific ways.
00:53:56.260Just look how it behaves in the battle.
00:54:00.060And here's where, you know, because I was reading about, you know, the Shea rebellion and, you know, they made that decision because the courts were being threatened and so they couldn't do the regular business of the state.
00:54:16.800And for the military to come in and put a rebellion down is scary because you just don't want to open that can of worms.
00:54:29.520But it is at times necessary, probably.
00:54:33.160And but it's very specific that the the state, its functions cannot they are not functioning.
00:54:53.760You know, I saw the the three Somalis that beat the guy with a snow shovel and it was ice that arrested him, not the the police in the city.
00:55:06.560And I wondered, is is that a sign that the police are not working and fulfilling their job?
00:55:14.460I mean, it's I don't know if we're going to get a clear answer, which is really horrible.
00:55:20.020Well, let's go back in time for a minute here.
00:55:23.840I think the last time that the Insurrection Act was in, you know, was called upon was in 1993 here in Los Angeles, my hometown during the riots was here.
00:55:34.900And to your point, the police simply could not handle the situation.
00:55:41.060And so the president authorized the military to basically return Los Angeles to the control of the state.
00:56:00.220And so then you get into, well, I mean, do you think that we that this road started when we started to accept sanctuary cities and that could be on pot or whatever things that we thought were no big deal?
00:56:13.980You know, even sanctuary cities for immigrants.
00:56:16.960We all kind of just went, well, that's California or that's, you know, Berkeley or whatever.
00:56:20.580But once a state and a city decide they can pick and choose the federal laws instead of changing, working to change the laws as the system is supposed to be, that the the end result of that eventually is conflict between the state or the city and the federal government.
00:56:42.020Because at some point, if it comes to a head, somebody's got to make the decision.
00:56:47.820And so what you're talking about right now in this situation would be you need the you know, the the phrase cooler heads will prevail comes to mind.
00:57:01.060What is happening is that the states got, you know, the governor is baiting the executive branch, the president in particular, you know, and and and the president has taken the bait and has responded.
00:57:44.260I don't remember his exact language, but he referred to we are training the National Guard for these actions, which is completely unconstitutional.
00:57:55.800I mean, I don't know why he might have just said it to bait or I don't know.
00:57:59.180But he said things that I have never heard from a governor again that just to me, when I heard that speech, I thought he's not calling on the National Guard.
00:58:10.820He is he is activating the citizen National Guard.
00:58:14.460He is he is saying my people that run my team jersey.
00:58:18.200I need you to do the things that the National Guard can't do.
00:58:24.120And then the president did the same thing either last night or today, whereby he used some incendiary language, you know, calling upon we're coming for you.
00:58:33.780I mean, this is this is truly bananas, you know.
00:58:36.620And then you have the governor using the word atrocity, which can only remind any of us of World War Two, which is a really poor word choice.
00:58:46.880So you have, you know, poor, poor word choices coming out of the mouths of the people who are supposed to be restoring order and paying attention to the North Star of the Constitution, instead acting like children in a sandbox.
00:59:01.840I say that as a mother who watched this, these kind of things happen literally.
00:59:07.620And yet the power and the the the responsibility of these offices is just being ignored, to my opinion, on both parties.
00:59:17.100Yeah, I tell you, I you know, when they were talking about arresting Bill and Hillary Clinton.
00:59:26.520First of all, it's to get answers on Epstein.
00:59:30.020And we all know you're never going to get answers on Epstein.
00:59:33.320You don't have anything except a flight log.
00:59:35.780I mean, if you had stuff, maybe, but you don't have stuff.
00:59:39.400We're not. That is just baiting, just baiting.
00:59:43.060And, you know, I said, look, if you want to go, you know, on Gazprom or any anything, a Clinton initiative and you have evidence, then what has to happen is it needs to go over to the DOJ.
00:59:55.820And somebody who's an adult needs to stand with a long, boring list and say, here are the charges here.
01:00:39.300I wonder, you know, it's so important to have people in your orbit that give you counsel that you might not necessarily like at first blush.
01:00:52.880And so it seems to me that, you know, the word sycophant always comes to mind because you see it.
01:01:00.820I see it happen around many powerful people where they just isolate themselves or insulate themselves with opinions by people from people that are only really looking out for their own interests.
01:01:19.020And I can't help but feel like when the jersey just is on and will not come off the team jersey.
01:01:25.660It's because that person is lacking any kind of, you know, outside counsel, for lack of a better phrase.
01:01:36.900You know, when I did that monologue, I looked at my executive producer and said, well, this is not going to make me popular with the diehard team jersey.
01:01:43.900You know, because there's a lot of people that feel I arrest them.
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01:09:05.340This is a classic situation where we do not know we will not know until these systems are declassified.
01:09:14.700And so, yes, one side of the argument is this is just a military industrial complex trillion dollar swindle to give a lot of money to the defense industry to posture against China, Russia, North Korea, et cetera, that we can take down their incoming ICBMs should they come our way.
01:09:34.180And the other side of the argument is, oh, no, we actually have an advanced technology system, maybe involving CubeSats that could do this.
01:10:00.780And there was an executive order that came out of the White House in December, which went completely under the radar, but is super significant because it specifically addresses what a threat space is in terms of nuclear weaponry.
01:10:24.460You know, I talk about how there was the very serious possibility that North Korea had or could send a small nuclear warhead into space disguised as a satellite.
01:10:40.240And it would be orbiting the globe and that were that specific, you know, nuclear small warhead were to detonate 300 miles directly over the United States of America.
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01:11:40.980And then that leads to reconnaissance from space, from satellites, because the remarkable abilities from what a camera can see from hundreds of miles up down on the ground is astonishing.
01:11:55.180That's why that's why that is all classified.
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