The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 281 ｜ The Controversial Truth About Women Preachers ｜ Allie Beth Stuckey ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:04.300 Well, I don't think that we need feminism. I think we need Christianity. 1.00

00:01:08.020 I mean, you're accused of taking a pastor's position because you do these big events.

00:01:11.500 Which, of course, I'm not. I don't shepherd a flock.

00:01:13.560 Peter Thiel has been going around talking about the Antichrist.

00:01:17.480 And for some reason, Israel has become the central question that we need to answer on the right that has become like the defining feature and the dividing line on the right. 0.60

00:01:26.540 Allie, people say you are the next Charlie Kirk.

00:01:33.500 What? Is that good? Bad? How do you react to that? How do you feel about that?

00:01:38.040 You know, I think a lot of people have been trying to figure out who the replacement for him is.

00:01:45.860 I've seen the media say, it's Nick Fuentes. It's, you know, this other activist over here.

00:01:51.440 And the truth is, is that he's irreplaceable and that all of us kind of hold a fraction of what he was.

00:01:58.120 I hope that I can kind of carry the torch of evangelism and apologetics and things like that.

00:02:03.160 But I don't see myself as a political activist or as a coalition builder.

00:02:07.840 Too many disagreements for that. He was so good at peacemaking through debate.

00:02:12.360 I don't see that as my role. So I'm just going to keep running the race that I'm going to run.

00:02:16.660 Yeah, it's interesting because I thought when he died, I thought, who is going to replace him?

00:02:23.440 And I couldn't come up. I could come up with like five people that could take parts of it.

00:02:28.380 But I couldn't come up with one. And then I thought, why are we looking?

00:02:32.200 Why are we saying who's going to replace him? He was unique. He didn't replace somebody.

00:02:38.520 He was just completely unique. And when we find unique people, and I think you're one of them.

00:02:44.920 I mean, how long have we known each other?

00:02:48.220 Okay, so I started coming to Blaze Studios 2017. So now it's been nine years. I think nine years February of 2017.

00:02:58.820 And you were just doing, if I remember right, you were just doing videos in your car.

00:03:04.180 Yeah.

00:03:05.200 I mean, it's crazy.

00:03:06.300 Car, apartment. Yeah, that's all I was doing. And I was not here for a media opportunity.

00:03:12.600 I was here to take a tour of the studio where Glenn Beck was and Dana Lash was.

00:03:18.180 And I, through like a series of strange little connections, just got connected to Dana Lash's producer.

00:03:24.580 And he was like, well, I'll give you a tour. I was like, I'll just tour. That's amazing.

00:03:28.300 And so I toured the studio and a producer said, I think I've seen your stuff on Facebook.

00:03:34.080 Do you want to do a Facebook Live for us? And that's how it started.

00:03:37.280 Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

00:03:38.640 Yeah.

00:03:39.640 I remember really early on, I've seen, I've met, I think I told you this once, I've met a ton of millionaires.

00:03:53.420 And I've met a ton of really powerful, famous people that don't have any money and don't have any fame because they're just not willing to do the one thing, whatever it is, the one thing that, you know, and sometimes it's just, I expect it.

00:04:14.380 Yeah.

00:04:14.600 I expect, well, I'm going to be, you know, whatever. And they won't work for it or whatever it is. I, I don't know. I mean, coming through the blaze door, we now have the secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth.

00:04:29.820 Yeah.

00:04:30.260 We've had so many people come through these doors. You are one who I think is, and I told you this, I think at some point, a legitimate, star is not the right word, a legitimate force to be reckoned with. And I can't, I'm so excited for you.

00:04:49.080 Well, thank you for saying that. We had a lot of conversations early on. And of course I'm nobody walking in and Glenn Beck and is like, oh, he wants to talk to us in his office with Lawrence Jones. And I mean, very intimidating situation. And I remember something that you said that I was like, I do not want to agree with that. I do not want to believe that.

00:05:10.640 You said, and this is paraphrasing that you are never going to be able to meet a moment that you did not prepare for. And you talked about the importance of experience and preparation and hard work. And here I am a few months in to my media career. And I'm like, but I feel like maybe just raw talent is fine.

00:05:31.640 I feel like you could just, you know, you get there and you have enough, just raw ability to take you over. But truly every single new opportunity I've had, it's not, I don't look and I'm not like, wow, I'm so glad that I was so talented or I'm so glad that I just had that natural gift. No, I look back and say, oh, that thing five years ago prepared me for this.

00:05:57.940 Oh, that thing that I've been doing on my podcast. That is actually what prepared me to debate 20 liberals in a circle on that Jubilee video. It wasn't raw talent. It was preparation and hard work. So now almost 10 years in, I can agree with Glenn Beck.

00:06:14.020 Yeah, that's good. I wish more people felt that way. Can I talk to you about that circle? Cause I watched you, you were so good. So under Charlie had that too. I cannot do that. I would lose my mind.

00:06:29.520 I have, you could totally do it. Oh, I don't think so. You could, you could, but you know, it was such an interesting thing because I had watched Charlie's and they were so ruthless to Charlie. They were so mean, they were personal about his appearance, about his kids. And so that's what I was expecting. Now this was the day before Charlie's memorial. So just a couple of weeks after he died and I was expecting vitriol.

00:06:51.960 I even thought they might bring him up in some kind of like attacking way, knowing that we were, you know, that we were friends. But actually I sat down and the first thing that this person said to me, his name was Gilbert was, I am so sorry about your friend, Charlie.

00:07:05.480 And I don't know why they cut that out of the final cut, but that really softened everything. So as much as I want to say, well, I, it was just me. It was my kindness. It was my charm. Really that softened everything from the get go. And that kind of set us up, I think to have a productive debate.

00:07:23.460 That is something that people don't do. I, I, I've done so many interviews with people on the other side of the table and I can come in with a perfectly great attitude, but if they don't want to do, if they don't want to have a great attitude, it's over. It's just over. It takes both sides to sit down and go, I actually want to talk to you. You know what I mean? I want to learn something about you.

00:07:49.640 I want to understand something about you without an agenda. And that just doesn't happen. Do you think that happened because it was the day before the memorial?

00:07:58.660 I think that was part of it. And, and a way I felt that that was a weakness because I was so tired and I was so sad and all of these things, but God really used something really ugly and dark to bring glory to himself and actually create a good debate.

00:08:13.320 And also to your point, I saw it as my goal to persuade the person across from me. I was not thinking, how can I clip this? Can I get this point in? Or what is this person going to think? It's too many things to think about. I thought, how can I persuade the person across from me? I don't know if I accomplished that, but I think it's a better mentality than just thinking about performing for the camera.

00:08:33.800 I wonder if, I wonder how you would react because I believe the only way to persuade somebody is to listen to them and care about them. And I think you're saying that when you're like, how do I persuade this person?

00:08:52.540 You were like, I'm, I'm, I, you matter. Yeah. We're so much of the dialogue and especially what you see online. You're just an object, you know, and I'm just performing on you for that. And nothing happens. Nothing good happens from that.

00:09:11.080 Yeah. I'm sure that you've done a lot of interviews where the person interviewing you is not looking at you. They're looking through you. They're thinking about their next question. They're not listening to you at all.

00:09:20.780 And I just, I can't do that. That's not because I'm a good person, but I can't, I just, I can't think about something else while someone else is talking to me.

00:09:28.920 So I think just the art of listening and then responding to what someone actually said, not just saying what you want to say is something that's lost, but really important.

00:09:37.140 So where, where, where are we? Let me do one more question. Kind of on the Charlie Kirk thing. I think that.

00:09:43.620 When, when, when evil showed up and sickness, whatever, whatever shoots Charlie. Yeah.

00:09:55.360 He knew there would be a, an equal or opposite reaction. I think he was hoping for everybody to cheer him on and say, you know, what a great thing that is.

00:10:06.000 But what happened was not an equal reaction. It was opposite, but it was not equal. And I, I really feel like God showed up. You were at the funeral. I was at the funeral.

00:10:17.040 I've never felt anything like that. God was there. And you could, it was like a, it was like an ocean wave. People started talking about politics and it would withdraw.

00:10:26.260 Yeah. And then they would talk about God again and it would come rolling back in. It was amazing to feel it.

00:10:33.940 But then we went into this period immediately where the right is tearing itself apart. And I don't want to make this about personalities or any of that, but the right is tearing itself apart.

00:10:46.380 And people are starting to believe things that I believe, I believe an equal and opposite reaction. Yeah.

00:10:56.820 I think Satan came in, saw what God was doing and Satan came in and was like, oh yeah, watch this. Yeah.

00:11:04.580 I mean, I feel like we're watching the big boys play right now and we're just pawns on a table in a way. Yeah.

00:11:11.020 You know, because the, the evil that is happening and being, we're just being poisoned by lies.

00:11:25.380 I think right now, you know, what was said about Charlie's wife and just all of this stuff is just so bad.

00:11:35.000 And we're fighting things like, you know, Jews don't run the world. 0.55

00:11:41.360 We're fighting things that are so anti-Semitic that I don't even, I didn't think we had to fight that anymore.

00:11:48.240 I knew anti-Semitism existed, but there's a difference between disagreeing with Israel.

00:11:53.400 You can do that all day long.

00:11:54.460 And what is being said to, to take the Jew out of Judeo-Christian heritage.

00:12:04.460 Does that make sense?

00:12:06.260 Yeah.

00:12:06.860 Do you have any thoughts on where we're at on this?

00:12:09.240 What is happening to us?

00:12:10.800 How is this happening so rapidly?

00:12:13.080 Yeah.

00:12:13.680 I have a lot of thoughts.

00:12:15.180 One, I did not appreciate while Charlie was alive that he gate kept the crazy.

00:12:20.500 That he was kind of holding back these radical forces on the right.

00:12:25.740 Some of the people that, you know, truly hate Jewish people, not just those who disagree with Israel.

00:12:31.160 So there's nothing wrong with that.

00:12:32.420 We can disagree with Israel all you want. 0.56

00:12:33.840 No.

00:12:34.100 And I don't even talk about foreign policy that much.

00:12:36.160 And if you say something like this, they'll call you some kind of radical Zionist.

00:12:39.420 I don't even really talk about that that much.

00:12:40.980 I don't really care what someone thinks about Israeli policy one way or the other.

00:12:44.320 But it, so he was kind of holding back some truly radical forces and gate kept to that

00:12:52.120 and built a coalition that excluded some of those toxic forces on the right.

00:12:58.320 And he also kind of cooled the tensions between those who disagreed, especially about Israel.

00:13:04.960 Like he would bring someone like Josh Hammer and then Dave Smith and have them duke it out

00:13:08.620 on stage.

00:13:09.280 And that was kind of his peace through strength strategy to continue to build this broad coalition

00:13:14.340 that will vote Republican and have liberty minded candidates in office.

00:13:17.740 But then when he went away, those fights that were kind of maybe happening behind doors that

00:13:23.920 were not happening in public for the sake of respect for Charlie are now happening.

00:13:29.120 And some of the debates that were going on that were moderated by the moderate of Charlie

00:13:34.460 Kirk are no longer being moderated.

00:13:36.880 The moderator isn't there anymore.

00:13:38.160 And so now they're truly duking it out in a personal and ugly way.

00:13:41.700 So that's part of what I see going on politically.

00:13:44.060 Now, some people are demoralized by that.

00:13:46.160 I understand people watching AmpFest and being like, this feels for the regular person.

00:13:49.820 They're like, this feels like drama that I'm not really a part of and that doesn't really

00:13:55.420 care about me.

00:13:56.500 But I do just want to say that on the right, we're trying to build something.

00:14:00.700 And on the left, they're trying to destroy something.

00:14:02.880 If you're trying to destroy something, you do not have to agree on what tools you use.

00:14:06.140 You don't have to, you don't have to agree on the materials.

00:14:08.460 You don't have to agree on a foundation.

00:14:10.120 You can take Islam, you can take Marxism, you can take whatever it is, and you can just

00:14:14.980 tear down the edifice of Western civilization.

00:14:17.480 But if you're trying to build something as we are on the right, if you're trying to preserve

00:14:20.580 Western civilization, you have to agree on the materials, the tools, when and how you use

00:14:24.500 them.

00:14:24.740 And most importantly, on what the foundation is.

00:14:28.260 And so that is.

00:14:29.080 And there's nothing wrong with a healthy debate that I'm going to disagree with, as long as

00:14:33.960 it is a balanced debate with, you know, Hannity and Combs always killed me because I know

00:14:40.780 Roger.

00:14:41.260 I know exactly.

00:14:42.000 I remember Hannity and Combs when I was little.

00:14:43.860 And I know exactly.

00:14:44.940 Why was it that, that, that Combs looked the way Combs did?

00:14:52.080 Yeah.

00:14:52.200 I mean, Roger is a very visual person.

00:14:54.900 He did that for a reason.

00:14:56.480 I want to come in with both sides having equal power, equal, you know, intelligence and really

00:15:03.240 having a strong debate with no straw men.

00:15:06.200 Yeah.

00:15:06.360 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:15:08.060 No.

00:15:08.300 But it seems like some people think there is something wrong with that.

00:15:13.200 Yeah.

00:15:14.100 And on both sides, I don't even know which side. 0.99

00:15:16.520 I mean, because both sides are like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. 0.99

00:15:19.340 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:19.740 We're not going to solve anything.

00:15:21.220 I mean, unless you're wrestling with these things and we can't stand up and say, no, this

00:15:28.460 is where you're wrong.

00:15:30.760 Yeah.

00:15:31.040 This is where I think you're right or wrong.

00:15:33.520 Yeah.

00:15:34.180 I don't know if we make any progress.

00:15:36.120 And I think that's what Charlie was trying to do.

00:15:39.040 Yes.

00:15:39.560 And I think that's what we are still trying to do.

00:15:42.180 We're trying to define our terms, but we lost our moderator.

00:15:45.820 We lost our gatekeeper.

00:15:47.460 We lost the coalition builder.

00:15:49.920 So we're just trying to find politically our footing.

00:15:52.780 And for some reason, Israel has become the central question that we need to answer on

00:15:57.820 the right that has become like the defining feature and the dividing line on the right.

00:16:02.240 And so we are trying to figure that out and we can talk more about that.

00:16:05.060 But on the spiritual level, I mean, there's a reason it's called spiritual warfare.

00:16:08.820 Yes.

00:16:09.340 I believe revival was and is still happening post Charlie Kirk, but it's not like Satan

00:16:14.660 was going to be like drat.

00:16:16.120 I didn't see that coming.

00:16:17.660 Like, oh, dang it.

00:16:19.120 Like he, of course, was going to say, whoa, we don't want unity among Christians.

00:16:23.420 We don't want unity on the side of what is good and right and true.

00:16:26.680 Like we've, we've got to tear that down as much as we possibly can and get them focused

00:16:31.880 on the wrong things.

00:16:33.500 And that's not to say that people asking legitimate questions of the federal government or the state

00:16:39.040 government, when it comes to Charlie Kirk or demonic forces, I'm not saying that, but

00:16:43.160 those purposely drawing our eyes away from Christ, away from what is true, away from revival and

00:16:49.960 into true conspiracy and slander and a lot of the stuff that we're seeing.

00:16:56.080 And I do think that that is a power of darkness rearing its ugly head against revival.

00:17:03.880 Yeah.

00:17:04.600 Equal and opposite reaction.

00:17:06.240 Satan shows up.

00:17:08.300 It's God's turn.

00:17:09.460 Yeah.

00:17:09.800 I mean, I think we're going to see a response to this.

00:17:15.180 You know, there's a difference between revival and an awakening.

00:17:21.520 Yeah.

00:17:23.200 And lots of bad things happen during revivals.

00:17:26.080 Awakenings are when you apply those things.

00:17:30.440 When you start to look at, oh, I just, I just found out about this Jesus guy and I found

00:17:35.420 out about this and this and this, and wow, I want to change my life.

00:17:39.260 And then you go, but I like some of these things, but I'm not going to do them anymore because

00:17:46.340 they're not good.

00:17:47.240 And you start applying the hard lessons.

00:17:50.680 Do we have the, you know, I remember hearing, you know, we're a fast food, you know, culture.

00:17:59.700 Oh my gosh.

00:18:00.800 Fast food is slow now.

00:18:02.940 Yeah.

00:18:03.180 You know, do we have the stamina to do the hard things to, do you think that's a part

00:18:10.200 of those under 35?

00:18:13.960 You know, my, I think my bigger question is like, I was studying the difference between

00:18:17.960 revival and awakening too.

00:18:20.300 And what are some characteristics of them?

00:18:22.740 One of them is a widespread desire to see Christ glorified rather than the self.

00:18:28.840 And that is what I wonder, like in our performance-based culture, in our everything is content culture,

00:18:34.960 are we interested in the mostly unseen and unsung self-denial that is required of all Christians 1.00

00:18:43.280 that isn't pretty, that doesn't get likes, that is really about repentance and letting go of things

00:18:50.680 like vanity and pride?

00:18:51.680 I say that as a person who creates content.

00:18:54.480 Like, I think that is an honest question that is not even just about instant gratification,

00:18:58.960 but like, are we willing to like go all in on the gory, nitty gritty Christianity of our

00:19:07.940 ancestors, you know, of those that have gone before us?

00:19:11.760 Because if it is warfare, like it's not always pretty and it's not always aesthetic.

00:19:17.920 So what are those things?

00:19:19.960 Well, repenting of your sin and denying the things that you want to do in exchange for what

00:19:27.800 God calls you to do is individual.

00:19:30.880 I mean, sin is an individual.

00:19:32.480 We know it's defined by God's word is missing the mark of what he says is good, right, and true.

00:19:36.880 But the individual call on your life, it might mean leaving the current job that you're in.

00:19:42.520 It might mean deleting social media.

00:19:44.440 It might mean taking the less lucrative path because it's the one that God calls you on.

00:19:51.280 It might mean being courageous and losing friendships and losing opportunities and losing comfort because

00:19:57.420 you said the true thing and shared the gospel.

00:20:01.120 Has there ever been something that you've been really felt like, okay, this came from God that

00:20:06.540 you were like, man, I'm glad you asked.

00:20:09.620 I really want to do that.

00:20:10.760 You know, I don't know.

00:20:15.700 That's a good question.

00:20:16.880 I think that I can't always see the end result of what God is calling me to do.

00:20:21.780 It's definitely met with the tentative, like, are you sure?

00:20:25.840 Right.

00:20:26.360 Right.

00:20:26.720 I mean, because I don't know if, I mean, God doesn't have to tell me, you know what?

00:20:30.220 You should go on vacation.

00:20:31.580 I got one down.

00:20:32.780 Thanks.

00:20:32.940 You know, you should sleep a little bit more.

00:20:34.420 Yeah.

00:20:34.600 God has to tell me the things to do with your life that I'm like, oh, I don't want to do

00:20:42.460 that.

00:20:42.980 I don't want to be that guy.

00:20:44.580 I don't want to.

00:20:45.820 No, I like this part of my life.

00:20:48.640 God, when he comes in, and for me, this is the struggle, and this may just be me.

00:20:53.440 This is the struggle for me is he's always telling me the things, not all of them, but

00:20:59.420 some of the things that I like to do, he's saying, you really should do this, and that's

00:21:07.600 always less lucrative.

00:21:09.280 That's always the harder road.

00:21:12.040 That's always the thing that I'm like, but I'll get killed if I do that.

00:21:17.300 Right.

00:21:17.780 You know what I mean?

00:21:19.400 Yeah.

00:21:20.380 Yeah.

00:21:20.640 And it always works out to be better, at least personally.

00:21:25.320 Yeah.

00:21:25.460 Once you get through it, you're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I ever wanted to be

00:21:31.060 that.

00:21:32.020 This is so much better.

00:21:33.400 Yeah.

00:21:33.940 But it's, I don't see a big movement towards that.

00:21:41.220 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 I don't know.

00:21:43.440 You know, R.C.

00:21:44.240 Sproul, I'm paraphrasing.

00:21:45.340 He was a theologian, and he died in 2017, I believe, but he said Christ did not die so

00:21:50.540 that you could do the things you already wanted to do before you became a Christian.

00:21:54.860 So that you could get all of the things that your heart already desired before you were

00:22:00.940 a Christian.

00:22:01.620 He gives you a new heart with new desires that is different and better and deeper and

00:22:06.860 more difficult than the things that you desired before.

00:22:09.380 And I do think it is repentance that is the difficult part of Christianity.

00:22:14.880 Like I read that there is this OnlyFans star who recently became a Christian.

00:22:19.800 I hope it's genuine and got baptized and all of that.

00:22:22.840 And one thing that she said in an interview, I think it was to Us Weekly, she said, you know,

00:22:27.380 I'm just not a traditional Christian.

00:22:29.100 Like, I'm still going to keep doing what I'm doing.

00:22:31.180 And there are girls in this industry who will keep doing this. 1.00

00:22:33.900 And I believe in, you know, all of these kind of progressive things.

00:22:37.000 And, you know, maybe she's just, you know, she's a beginner, sanctified, she needs to

00:22:40.560 be discipled and all of that.

00:22:41.880 All of us have been wrong in our beliefs many times.

00:22:44.420 But I think that is the part.

00:22:47.020 That's the part of Christianity that, well, do I really have to take up my cross? 0.62

00:22:51.500 Yeah.

00:22:51.760 Like, do I really have to let go of this stuff?

00:22:54.100 But that's what makes it worth it.

00:22:56.820 That's what makes it so glorious in the end.

00:23:00.020 Yeah. 0.99

00:23:00.640 It sucks. 0.99

00:23:02.080 At the beginning, you think, this is, I don't know what. 0.99

00:23:06.720 There's so many things that you have to, like, shed of yourself.

00:23:11.000 But once you do, it's so much better.

00:23:14.040 It's like, it is a new life.

00:23:15.860 Yeah.

00:23:15.980 It's a new entire life, a new way of looking at everything.

00:23:20.680 And I've just never known, at least with me, God to be the one that's like, oh, no, you're

00:23:28.380 good.

00:23:29.060 Yeah.

00:23:29.340 You're good.

00:23:29.920 Come as you are.

00:23:30.720 Yeah.

00:23:31.140 You know, I got you.

00:23:32.700 You just keep doing those things.

00:23:34.020 Yeah.

00:23:34.740 He requires us to step to the plate.

00:23:39.820 And I guess, you know, there's always this thing about faith.

00:23:43.060 I mean, you know, nobody gets saved by works.

00:23:46.240 I completely agree.

00:23:48.040 However, for me, your product is how I know.

00:23:55.500 How I know.

00:23:56.420 God knows different things.

00:23:57.440 I know, you know, if you're like, I just got baptized and I'm sleeping with another thousand

00:24:03.940 men in the next, you're like, oh.

00:24:06.440 Yeah.

00:24:07.060 You know, your works, it's not because you're trying to earn them.

00:24:10.320 It's you want to change.

00:24:12.540 You want to be better.

00:24:14.320 Right.

00:24:14.540 And so you start producing different things.

00:24:18.100 Yeah.

00:24:18.580 Good works are a product of our faith, not a prerequisite for our salvation.

00:24:23.600 And Jesus said a tree is known by its fruit.

00:24:25.760 It's got bad fruits, bad tree. 0.97

00:24:27.180 It's like not that complicated.

00:24:28.200 Like Jesus makes it really easy.

00:24:30.160 If it's a good fruit, it's a good tree.

00:24:31.640 And you're right.

00:24:32.700 You know, God looks at different things than we look at.

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00:24:39.440 Or that wasn't right.

00:24:40.560 Or I was living the wrong way then.

00:24:42.540 And God's grace sanctifies us.

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00:28:08.140 So as somebody who has been judged, I mean, horrible things are said about you.

00:28:18.760 These are funny. 0.96

00:28:20.220 You're too Christian, but also a bad Christian. 1.00

00:28:23.260 A writer in Salon said, you weaponize your gender to sell the idea of a cold-hearted Jesus.

00:28:28.320 Yeah, I don't even know what that means.

00:28:29.960 We could spend some time breaking that down.

00:28:31.520 Right?

00:28:31.920 I just spent some time and I'm like, I don't even think I understand that one.

00:28:34.820 You know, how do you decipher not judging others, but correcting?

00:28:51.780 Yeah.

00:28:52.440 You know what I mean?

00:28:53.180 Because I think the best Christians are the ones who are changing all the time in themselves and are constantly, am I here? 1.00

00:29:01.460 Am I there?

00:29:01.980 Where am I?

00:29:02.500 And are loving to those who are in error?

00:29:09.940 Yeah.

00:29:10.940 But that doesn't mean embracing it.

00:29:14.260 Yeah.

00:29:14.980 How do you navigate that?

00:29:18.700 My mind immediately goes to the first two chapters of Romans.

00:29:22.460 The first chapter of Romans is kind of a famous or infamous, depending on how you look at it, passage about homosexuality and gender confusion. 0.95

00:29:30.340 Look, these people are depraved in mind and heart.

00:29:34.200 They know God's righteous decrees and they not only don't do them, but they approve of those who are sinning.

00:29:40.900 And they have given themselves over to these unnatural desires and unnatural relationships.

00:29:47.280 And then in the next chapter, it's a chapter about judging.

00:29:50.560 Do not judge. 0.99

00:29:51.400 If you judge others who are doing the same things that you're doing, then you're a hypocrite and you will be judged.

00:29:57.060 So obviously God through Paul is saying in the first chapter, this is sin and you shouldn't do it.

00:30:04.920 It's bad for your body.

00:30:06.100 It's bad for your soul.

00:30:07.240 It's bad for your mind.

00:30:08.080 It's bad for your heart.

00:30:09.480 Also, you shouldn't judge.

00:30:10.820 So how do we reconcile that?

00:30:12.420 It's obvious that you can call out sin and you shouldn't judge.

00:30:15.880 To me, what we see in Jesus's command against judging and the Romans to command against judging is that you shouldn't be a hypocrite, is that you shouldn't say, I shouldn't say, you know what?

00:30:27.060 You really shouldn't have a podcast, Glenn, because all you care about is all you care about is fame.

00:30:32.800 Well, that would be hypocritical because I also have a podcast where I want to have an audience, too.

00:30:37.360 And I think that we have to be really careful about calling out behavior, attitudes or whatever that we ourselves are guilty for.

00:30:44.840 I think God hates hypocrisy, but I don't think that precludes us from saying this is what God calls sin.

00:30:51.320 And of course, the thing that covers a multitude of sin is love and the gospel.

00:30:56.380 Yes, that's a sin.

00:30:57.220 Yes, that's wrong.

00:30:58.040 Yes, you shouldn't do it.

00:30:59.060 But I have really good news for you.

00:31:00.540 I've been where you are.

00:31:02.140 I was also dead in my sin.

00:31:04.180 And Jesus's grace can totally save you like it saved me.

00:31:07.360 That, to me, is how you wed those two things.

00:31:10.100 You make sure you're not being a judgmental hypocrite, and you're also being really clear about sin.

00:31:20.220 There are so many great things happening. 0.86

00:31:26.000 And at the same time, I'm so afraid that we are confused by our day.

00:31:35.000 That there is just enough fog in the air that if you do not have the constant companion of the Spirit with you, you can slip so quickly.

00:31:47.880 There are the traditional family, the traditional life, the traditional marriage.

00:31:58.940 I think all of that is so essential to civilization, not just Western civilization, any civilization.

00:32:07.900 But there are those who believe exactly what I just said, and then will say,

00:32:16.620 Ellie, you should be quiet because you're a woman. 1.00

00:32:23.180 How do you know where the...

00:32:25.900 React just to that first, because there's people who have said, you're trying to take a man's job of preaching, and women shouldn't be preaching, and you should be quiet and pregnant and in the background.

00:32:38.280 Yeah.

00:32:38.400 So how do you react to that first as a woman?

00:32:40.960 And then I want to expand that too.

00:32:43.320 Yeah.

00:32:43.700 What is that?

00:32:45.020 Well, this is an unpopular opinion among a lot of conservative evangelicals, but I agree that women shouldn't preach. 1.00

00:32:52.200 Like, I don't think that women should be pastors. 1.00

00:32:54.180 I don't think they should be behind a pulpit preaching to a mixed crowd on Sunday morning. 1.00

00:32:59.160 That doesn't mean women can't teach. 1.00

00:33:01.400 It doesn't mean that women can't talk. 1.00

00:33:03.040 Traditionally, women have liked to talk. 0.99

00:33:04.660 We talk a lot.

00:33:05.520 We like to communicate.

00:33:06.460 I mean, you're accused of taking a pastor's position because you do these big events.

00:33:11.920 Which, of course, I'm not.

00:33:12.160 I don't shepherd a flock, and women are allowed, biblically, to teach women. 0.68

00:33:16.700 I would say that those who say that women can't teach at women's conferences, that they can't have a podcast, that they can't wade into the culture wars, they are going beyond what Scripture says.

00:33:26.200 That might be their opinion, and they might be able to say, well, I kind of see it implied in this, and I'm fine with that if they want to have that opinion, but it's not what the Bible says.

00:33:35.800 Now, I do think that women should prioritize the home, should prioritize being wives and moms and discipling. 0.96

00:33:43.300 But there is also an opportunity to prioritize that and also follow the call that a woman has on her life, which may or may not be having some sort of sphere of influence in which they are teaching other women.

00:34:00.180 I don't want to be a pastor.

00:34:01.440 I think I'm capable physically of giving a sermon, intellectually of giving a sermon, but capable and called are two different things.

00:34:09.500 And I think the Bible is very clear that that is a man's role. 0.96

00:34:11.920 Where in the Bible does it say that a woman can't be called to preach? 1.00

00:34:15.800 Well, you could look at 1 Timothy.

00:34:17.260 You could look at Titus 2.

00:34:18.540 There are various places where a man's role as both the elder and the pastor is exclusive to that gender.

00:34:27.040 That's something that Charlie and I talked about a lot, because in our kind of like charismatic circles sometimes that are conservative evangelical, we get some pushback on that.

00:34:35.940 I think women have a big role in the church and can play even a teaching role in the church for women and children, but not the office of elder and overseer and shepherd.

00:34:46.200 I know we go to very different churches, but ours is the same.

00:34:51.480 And some people have a real problem.

00:34:54.920 And, you know, we even will separate men and women at times.

00:35:02.440 And I didn't understand that at first.

00:35:04.840 And then my wife and I would talk and we're like, wait, you got the same lesson taught to you by a woman and I got it taught by a man.

00:35:14.080 But it was completely different, but it was exactly the same message.

00:35:18.640 You know, there's this, we're different.

00:35:24.380 We're different.

00:35:25.800 Yeah.

00:35:26.360 And those differences go all the way back to creation.

00:35:29.920 Some people will say, well, you know, Paul said that a woman shouldn't be a pastor because of cultural things at the time.

00:35:36.980 But he really goes all the way back to creation.

00:35:39.140 And he goes back to innate differences.

00:35:42.080 And I'm thankful for that.

00:35:43.500 Like, I'm thankful that my husband is the leader of our marriage and the leader of our family and that I have a pastor.

00:35:49.580 What does that mean?

00:35:50.400 It means that he is the final decision maker.

00:35:52.820 He is the protector of our family.

00:35:54.340 And at the end of the day, even though, you know, we consult each other on everything and we talk about everything and he values me and trusts me and all of that.

00:36:03.140 But at the end of the day, I trust him to make the decision for our family.

00:36:06.760 I trusted him to, when he asked, when he said, okay, we need to move to Texas.

00:36:11.380 That was not me.

00:36:12.880 I didn't want to move to Texas.

00:36:14.100 I wanted to stay in Georgia where we were living.

00:36:16.040 I had this Bible study of girls that I wanted to see graduate from college and he knew it was the right time to move.

00:36:21.960 And I said, okay.

00:36:23.460 And there are about a million different things that have happened like that over the years where I've trusted his wisdom.

00:36:28.800 And I'm glad that at the end of the day, the ultimate spiritual formation of our family rests on his shoulders and not mine.

00:36:35.000 That he's the one that gives an account to God for that.

00:36:37.920 And so really, like, it's a relief of responsibility, not this burden that feminism says that it is. 0.98

00:36:44.900 You said, I think it's feminism is incompatible with Christianity. 1.00

00:36:50.380 Yes.

00:36:51.100 I'm sure I have said that at some point.

00:36:53.460 Tell me what that means.

00:36:55.180 Why?

00:36:56.240 Well, I don't think that we need feminism. 1.00

00:36:58.440 I think we need Christianity.

00:37:00.300 And I think Christianity is what gives us this, what was seen as like a radical view of women, this radical respect of women.

00:37:09.200 And that, you know, we see, we hear these critics of the Bible say, well, the Bible is just compiled by these misogynistic men.

00:37:16.300 And that's why it says the wives should submit to husbands. 1.00

00:37:18.640 But if that's true, the writers of the Gospels didn't have to include all of these beautiful moments that Jesus had with women.

00:37:25.640 The woman of the night washing his hair or his feet with her hair. 0.97

00:37:30.540 The bleeding woman who touched him to be healed.

00:37:33.220 We didn't have to honor Mary.

00:37:35.140 We didn't have to hear about Mary Magdalene.

00:37:37.120 We didn't have to know about the woman at the well who was brought to repentance by Jesus paying attention to her.

00:37:42.640 But we did.

00:37:43.440 And we hear about all of these women who played a part in the genealogy of Jesus and bringing the message of the Gospel.

00:37:50.120 And even in that passage that I referenced in Ephesians 5, where it says wives submit to your husbands, it also says husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

00:38:00.140 Wow.

00:38:00.640 That was different at the time when men, the patriarchs, were given all of the rights.

00:38:05.740 Women were basically treated as property. 1.00

00:38:08.120 And there Christianity comes in and says, no, no, no. 0.92

00:38:10.560 She's also an image bearer of God.

00:38:12.460 She also is a vessel of the Gospel.

00:38:14.120 You have to love her and cherish her to the point that you're willing to die for her just as Christ died for the church.

00:38:20.140 That was radical.

00:38:21.440 That changed how the world saw women. 1.00

00:38:23.300 Christianity changed how the world saw children, all vulnerable groups.

00:38:27.740 I think we need more of that.

00:38:29.380 Feminism, while it may have had some good intentions and some people say it had some pragmatic reasons, it's given us abortion. 1.00

00:38:36.620 It's given us hormonal birth control.

00:38:38.440 It's given us transgenderism. 0.99

00:38:40.080 It's confused us about the difference between a man and a woman biologically, but also socially.

00:38:45.380 I think it's done more harm than good.

00:38:47.400 It's killed our birth rate, too.

00:38:49.400 Right.

00:38:51.000 It's convinced women that they can work the same way as a man can, and we can't. 1.00

00:38:57.560 Why?

00:38:59.880 Because, well, we could get into some physiology, but physically, I don't think that we have the same stamina.

00:39:06.360 Mentally and spiritually, I don't think that we have the same drive for protection and provision.

00:39:11.480 I don't think that means that women have to have their feet up all day. 1.00

00:39:14.960 I actually think that both men and women are called to work in a particular way, but it's different.

00:39:20.140 I want to be able to have a podcast where I can talk, and I come in for a few hours, two times a week, and then I can be at home with my kids for the rest of the time.

00:39:30.780 Well, my husband wants to be out and travel and work and talk and, you know, wheel and deal in a good way and, you know, accomplish the things that need to be accomplished.

00:39:40.160 I don't want to go out there and do that.

00:39:42.260 I don't want to.

00:39:43.340 And people are going to think that this is controversial, and it's fine if women like to know about finances in their families. 0.99

00:39:50.060 I don't want to manage the finances for a family.

00:39:52.920 I don't want to deal with that.

00:39:54.020 So I'm just, like, I'm thankful that I don't have to be in charge.

00:40:01.600 I will tell you that there are women who will listen to you and go, well, I don't mind finances, or I don't, you know, I think most women, it's natural to be the nurturer. 0.65

00:40:20.260 It is completely natural.

00:40:22.620 Yeah.

00:40:24.000 And there is something about guys, and we regret it.

00:40:27.320 Believe me, I'm 61 now.

00:40:29.040 My kids are out of the house.

00:40:30.800 Oh, so much that I thought was true.

00:40:33.860 Yeah.

00:40:34.120 And thought was, no, this is what I have to, I regret.

00:40:41.020 There is a difference in drive in men, but not all men.

00:40:45.080 Yeah.

00:40:45.480 Not all men. 0.61

00:40:46.360 So where does that shake out?

00:40:49.340 Yeah.

00:40:49.640 Well, I think that anytime we talk in generalities, there's going to be an exception to that.

00:40:56.080 But in general, I do think men have a drive to protect and create and to build, and that doesn't mean that women have none of that.

00:41:06.720 So what do you think of, what do you think of, I've thought for a while that we are seeing, in its twisted form, we're seeing the natural man and the natural woman happen in some ways in the youth right now, in 20 and early 30s.

00:41:23.200 Guys are pulling back and going, something's wrong, something's wrong, and their protection, they sense trouble on the horizon.

00:41:34.940 They may not even be able to identify it or know what it is, but they're pulling back from society going, something's wrong here.

00:41:41.900 Yeah.

00:41:42.100 Women are the nurturers, and in this twisted way, they are the first ones to hold and care, and the left has made transgender guys stripping in front of your first grader into something where you should have compassion for the transgender guy.

00:42:06.860 And somehow or another, that has been confused, but they are being nurturers, they are trying to protect what they now perceive as the weakest, not their own children, it's bizarre, but the women are in that nurture role right now, just twisted, and guys are searching for that protection role.

00:42:30.600 Yeah, it's so true.

00:42:31.760 It's misplaced mothering. 1.00

00:42:33.860 All of us, when we're young, I say all of us, most of us like to play with dolls and dress up our Barbies and to take care of something, maybe it's a pet, maybe it was a chia pet, whatever it was, maybe you had a garden, but women are natural nurturers. 1.00

00:42:49.480 I have three girls, I have a ton of nephews.

00:42:52.120 When I see them playing together for my girls, everything becomes a family.

00:42:56.500 It could be three forks, it's mommy, daddy, baby fork.

00:42:58.780 But for my nephew, everything becomes a gun.

00:43:02.860 And so it's now the fork is a gun.

00:43:05.840 And there's a lot of building and a lot of destroying and a lot of nurturing and caretaking over here.

00:43:10.560 Well, that doesn't go away just because feminism exists. 1.00

00:43:13.280 That doesn't go away because you chased your marketing job.

00:43:16.420 And I'm not saying that's always bad.

00:43:18.060 Maybe that's what God has for you in your life.

00:43:20.500 But those instincts don't just go away.

00:43:23.220 But how are they going to manifest themselves if we do not get married and have kids?

00:43:27.820 And I think for a lot of women, why a lot of women, especially single women are liberal, is because instead of kids, they have a cause. 0.96

00:43:36.660 And so that becomes...

00:43:38.180 Or a cat or a dog.

00:43:39.280 Or a cat or a dog.

00:43:40.500 It's pet profession politics has become their child rather than a child themselves.

00:43:48.180 And when you channel that natural mothering or nurturing instinct into something that is not a child, whether it's your child or a child that you're mentoring, then I think we see things be perverted.

00:44:00.540 And we see them manifest the way that they are now.

00:44:03.780 And it creates, I think, a lot of bitterness and resentment.

00:44:06.200 It works with the idea that Satan doesn't destroy per se.

00:44:15.400 He perverts.

00:44:16.340 He's not creating something new.

00:44:18.100 He's just taking what God had set up and just perverting it.

00:44:22.520 You're saying the natural mother is coming out. 1.00

00:44:25.820 It's just all perverted and turned upside down.

00:44:28.220 Yeah, he does both. 1.00

00:44:30.620 He comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

00:44:33.060 But he often does that by twisting things just a little bit. 0.93

00:44:36.720 Yeah.

00:44:37.020 Like in the Garden of Eden, did God really say, no, no, no, you will be like God, which was kind of true.

00:44:43.480 You will know the knowledge between good and evil, but you'll die unlike God.

00:44:48.700 And what does he do to Jesus when Jesus is in the wilderness?

00:44:51.700 He's tired and thirsty.

00:44:53.100 He uses the word of God against Jesus.

00:44:55.940 Jesus, don't you know that if you bow down and worship me, I can give you all of these things?

00:45:01.120 And Jesus, what does he do?

00:45:02.660 He relies on the real word of God in context, in its rightful usage and say, no, no, no, you shall not put the Lord your God to the test.

00:45:10.340 And so that's what we are tasked to as well.

00:45:12.400 When something sounds kind of true, we have to ask, but is it fully true?

00:45:17.280 And I think that's a good guidepost for our whole lives, actually.

00:45:21.480 Does Christianity survive in the next? 0.99

00:45:24.300 I mean, what do you say?

00:45:25.340 Oh, yeah.

00:45:25.940 Look at Europe.

00:45:28.920 I mean, it's interesting.

00:45:30.820 Ten years ago, I would say there's not a chance for Europe to be Christian ever again. 1.00

00:45:35.280 But there is this resurgence that is going on.

00:45:40.760 What do you see globally for this?

00:45:45.500 Are you concerned at all that there's such a lack of understanding of the scriptures and such a lack of understanding of hard work or any of the principles that go along with this?

00:46:02.500 Yeah.

00:46:02.780 That it can be perverted and used in a completely dangerous way?

00:46:09.420 Yeah.

00:46:10.280 I mean, I'm really concerned about that.

00:46:12.640 Now, I'm thankful that Jesus promises that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. 0.67

00:46:17.980 That in the end, Satan doesn't win.

00:46:21.200 That it is not possible.

00:46:22.900 Oh, but it's always, I know he's always, people always say that.

00:46:26.860 I know how it ends.

00:46:27.880 Yeah, but look at all the chapters before that really suck.

00:46:31.900 We got to get through that.

00:46:33.560 I know how it ends.

00:46:34.720 But wow.

00:46:36.000 Yeah.

00:46:36.380 But I also think about, I think about all of the times through history that the Christians must have thought this is the end. 0.66

00:46:43.780 Like when Nero was beheading Christians and then putting them on stakes and lining the roads of Rome and lining them on fire.

00:46:51.440 I can't imagine that the Christians at that time thought, okay, we've got a good 2000 years ahead of us.

00:46:59.180 This is going to be great.

00:46:59.940 We're going to have a Christian nation one day.

00:47:01.360 They were like, this is it.

00:47:02.600 We're done.

00:47:03.240 I don't even have any family members or church members anymore.

00:47:06.360 When I think about Christians throughout history, all the times of persecution, Christians alive today in places like China or Yemen or Afghanistan, who they're like, this has to be the end times, right?

00:47:16.220 Like this is the tribulation.

00:47:18.220 When I think about that and that Christianity has persisted in much harder times, yeah, it's scary. 0.74

00:47:26.000 I don't like the Islamification of Europe. 1.00

00:47:28.280 I don't like the waning influence of Christianity because it's bad for people. 0.84

00:47:32.480 Like it's just bad for babies.

00:47:33.840 It's bad for families.

00:47:34.680 It's bad for people.

00:47:36.280 But yes, I do trust that he wins in the end.

00:47:41.800 And I love Psalm 37.

00:47:43.400 It starts, do not be envious of wrongdoers.

00:47:46.900 Don't be envious of wrongdoers because one day they will soon fade like the grass and wither like the green herb.

00:47:52.240 And I try to remember that verse every day because, as you know, it seems like the evildoer is winning day after day.

00:47:59.740 He's not.

00:48:00.660 It just feels like that at times.

00:48:03.600 Let me talk to you about, let me just start with the Antichrist.

00:48:09.480 Peter Thiel has been going around talking about the Antichrist.

00:48:13.680 Yes.

00:48:14.840 I haven't figured that one out.

00:48:16.800 Have you?

00:48:18.160 What the Antichrist is or what Peter Thiel thinks about it?

00:48:21.320 Yeah.

00:48:22.040 Yeah.

00:48:22.520 I've tried to understand, but he is much smarter than I am.

00:48:27.880 And he is in a whole, occupies a whole different world than I do of technology.

00:48:32.900 So I think the argument is that opposition to artificial intelligence and greater technology is a form of the Antichrist.

00:48:43.780 I think that is the argument.

00:48:48.660 What is your thought on that?

00:48:50.660 You understand that probably much better than me.

00:48:53.120 Well, I don't think opposition is the Antichrist.

00:48:55.620 I think blindness will lead us to the Antichrist when it comes to AI.

00:49:02.060 I think AI could be used as the tool of the Antichrist.

00:49:07.900 What do you mean by that?

00:49:09.080 It is all-knowing, all-seeing, instant.

00:49:15.740 You know, you read in the book of Revelation about, you know, you're not going to be able to move anywhere, go anywhere, you know, currency, all of it.

00:49:25.460 That is a version of what that could be easily.

00:49:31.440 And, you know, there wouldn't be a Jew left in the world if Hitler would have had this technology that is just on the horizon. 0.98

00:49:41.780 I think there are people that are building it that, you know, Sam Altman calls it Sam God.

00:49:48.060 His version of ASI is...

00:49:50.840 What's ASI?

00:49:52.060 Okay, so there's AI, which we have, okay?

00:49:54.960 Artificial intelligence.

00:49:55.940 It's really good, better than you at one thing.

00:49:59.180 Yeah.

00:49:59.460 Okay?

00:49:59.600 Grok, Gemini, ChatGPT.

00:50:02.560 And ChatGPT and Grok, that's leaning towards what's called a GI, artificial general intelligence, which means you're a general intelligence being.

00:50:13.160 I am.

00:50:14.280 You can do a lot of things, and you're really good at a lot of things, okay?

00:50:19.160 You're not the master of everything, but you're good at a lot of things.

00:50:23.520 That's general intelligence.

00:50:24.760 Artificial general intelligence, we are now approaching that line to where it can paint, it can write music, it can write poetry, it can tell you how to build a building, it can tell you, you know, how to build a bomb.

00:50:37.920 It's great at a bunch of stuff.

00:50:41.360 Yeah.

00:50:41.460 Artificial super intelligence is the equivalent of every brain that has ever lived and currently living combined.

00:50:53.360 It is a server farm today in today's, you know, servers the size of Earth.

00:51:00.920 It is so far beyond man's understanding.

00:51:06.960 Man cannot understand.

00:51:09.080 It's thinking so fast, so far ahead of us.

00:51:13.020 It appears to be godlike because we cannot understand it.

00:51:18.760 Okay?

00:51:18.960 We just, that's real danger.

00:51:24.760 AGI, we don't know how long it'll take to get from AGI to ASI.

00:51:30.400 That could be overnight.

00:51:32.020 That could never happen.

00:51:33.620 My guess is it's closer to overnight.

00:51:36.520 And what is the danger?

00:51:38.240 Like you said, if Hitler had that, ASI, then no two would be alive. 0.93

00:51:42.420 Just, if Hitler had just the technology that we have today with all of the surveillance and AGI or AI, it would know where you are. 0.84

00:51:55.000 It would know who you're connected to, who your friends are, where you've been.

00:52:00.360 It will know where you're being hidden.

00:52:02.560 It will know because it will also have access to everybody on your list of friends, your friend tree.

00:52:10.260 You disappear.

00:52:12.000 Whose power outage has gone up, or power usage has gone up?

00:52:15.440 Whose water usage has gone up by one person in your friend tree?

00:52:20.480 Yeah.

00:52:21.040 There you are.

00:52:22.460 You know what I mean?

00:52:23.200 And it can find it that fast.

00:52:25.720 So, just the technology we have today, if Hitler had, it would be horrendous. 0.94

00:52:30.840 Yeah.

00:52:31.400 If we go dark, we will make the Germans look like rookies at everything they did. 1.00

00:52:38.000 ASI is like an alien life form. 0.94

00:52:44.260 If they said today, hey, we just spotted a spaceship, you know, just on the other side of Uranus, and it's coming in, it'll be a few months, let's build a welcoming committee.

00:52:57.980 I would want to build a welcoming committee.

00:53:01.680 But I would also say, should we also not prepare in case they're hostile?

00:53:07.300 Because we don't know how they think.

00:53:10.480 We don't know anything about them.

00:53:12.120 And they're obviously way above us.

00:53:15.020 So, let's be cautious.

00:53:16.920 People like Sam Altman are not cautious.

00:53:20.840 He wants the God.

00:53:22.760 Yeah.

00:53:24.080 Because he thinks, strangely, I think he thinks he can control it.

00:53:28.180 Yeah.

00:53:28.540 You're never going to be able to control it.

00:53:30.460 It's everything we would do is a baby gate.

00:53:33.540 I've been in places where they have lots of babies. 0.82

00:53:35.940 Yeah.

00:53:36.200 I step over the baby gate.

00:53:38.140 Right.

00:53:38.500 It stops the babies.

00:53:40.340 We're the babies in that scenario.

00:53:41.900 It will step over anything that we have tried.

00:53:44.820 Yeah.

00:53:45.180 We just have to be very, very careful.

00:53:47.580 Yeah.

00:53:48.480 It really is just like the Garden of Eden when Satan say you can be like God.

00:53:53.820 And he thought, well, I can just take a bite and that'll be it.

00:53:56.960 Yes.

00:53:57.540 It's never it.

00:53:58.300 And it's always the search for knowledge, which doesn't make the search for knowledge evil or wrong.

00:54:04.540 It just should come with a price tag.

00:54:08.980 Be careful.

00:54:10.680 When you are looking for knowledge, that's great.

00:54:13.160 When you are looking to be like God, do not purchase that.

00:54:18.920 But what are the moral limits that someone like Sam Altman has?

00:54:24.180 Because technology can't tell us what's right.

00:54:27.420 It can take us from what's natural to what's possible.

00:54:29.680 But only those of us who have moral limitations will say, but what's moral and what's good?

00:54:37.420 Really, Silicon Valley is only asking what's possible.

00:54:40.920 And can we do it?

00:54:42.240 Not should we do it?

00:54:43.900 And those of us asking, should we do it?

00:54:45.880 I don't feel like I have enough power.

00:54:47.460 I don't feel like Sam Altman is going to listen to me and say, OK, you can go that far, but no further than that.

00:54:52.540 So what does it look like to try to rein in those powers and to harness them for good?

00:54:57.160 So I talked to somebody who is at that level.

00:55:00.200 I've never shared this before, but somebody at that level said to me, I said, how do you stop this?

00:55:10.340 And he said, well, the governments of the world, China wants control.

00:55:15.220 America wants control.

00:55:17.240 OK, we want these things so we can increase our power and protect ourselves and have control.

00:55:22.360 The minute you go past AGI, you lose control because you are not as smart as it.

00:55:31.100 Right.

00:55:31.280 OK, so even in AGI, you're starting to lose control, but guarantee you are not in charge of ASI.

00:55:37.980 OK, so his belief and the belief of people in his world believe that the governments themselves will say, as we get a little closer, stop.

00:55:50.280 Not allowed.

00:55:51.180 And I said, well, that doesn't solve Sam Altman.

00:55:54.460 And he said.

00:55:56.840 You don't think China, Russia, whoever that really understands we lose all power, you don't think that Sam Altman's of the world would just disappear at night?

00:56:09.540 That they wouldn't just be.

00:56:12.680 So that's what we're waiting on.

00:56:14.580 No, that was his opinion.

00:56:16.000 Yeah.

00:56:16.260 That the only way to stop it is for states to say, to recognize, which they haven't yet, to recognize how dangerous this is for them, selfishly, for them, and say, no.

00:56:31.540 And they just start offing people that are saying, I want ASI.

00:56:35.580 Is that the only way to stop it?

00:56:38.300 Because that's a terrifying prospect.

00:56:39.660 It's terrifying.

00:56:41.660 Terrifying.

00:56:42.260 But we are we're we're we're entering this time.

00:56:45.960 And that's why I think the principles that you preach, the principles that you talk about, the principles that you teach and share are so critically important.

00:56:54.460 Because without the Western civilization, understanding of life and the importance of life.

00:57:03.080 We're doomed.

00:57:04.760 Yeah.

00:57:05.540 Without the lessons of the of just Adam and Eve.

00:57:09.380 Right.

00:57:09.880 Do not pick the fruit of that tree.

00:57:14.280 Yeah.

00:57:14.720 You're not God.

00:57:16.820 Yeah.

00:57:17.100 You know what I mean?

00:57:18.740 You're not God.

00:57:19.940 Maybe the most important three words for anyone, but especially those in Silicon Valley, to realize and to really understand, because that alone puts limitations on what you can do.

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00:58:03.620 My father said to me before he died, he was 85 years old.

00:58:07.180 And he said, I.

00:58:09.980 I can't wait to see what your generation does.

00:58:13.120 And I was like, what do you mean, dad?

00:58:15.300 And he said, Glenn, how much progress has there been in technology and in science since Christ?

00:58:23.720 And I said, fire to the moonshot.

00:58:27.280 And he said, right.

00:58:30.580 How much spiritual growth has there been since Christ to today?

00:58:36.660 We're exactly the same people.

00:58:38.780 Exactly the same people.

00:58:41.700 Yeah.

00:58:42.120 Except we're now playing with toys that are.

00:58:46.960 Have God like powers.

00:58:49.200 Right.

00:58:50.660 I know.

00:58:51.600 It's frightening.

00:58:53.600 Where do you think we are in the.

00:58:56.560 Are you.

00:58:57.120 I believe Jesus is coming in my lifetime, assuming I live long enough.

00:59:03.340 I think people have thought that since.

00:59:05.700 I mean, the apostles thought that.

00:59:07.440 So probably wrong.

00:59:09.180 Odds are and probably wrong.

00:59:13.500 But it is a way that a lot of this is solved.

00:59:16.620 These problems are so huge.

00:59:18.760 And there are so many things that you see of signs.

00:59:24.460 Where are you on that?

00:59:25.540 Do you think.

00:59:27.760 Yeah, I don't.

00:59:29.800 No, I don't know.

00:59:31.620 Which I know is not a fun answer.

00:59:33.900 No, I'm not saying I know either.

00:59:35.800 No, I know that you're not.

00:59:37.120 I know.

00:59:37.660 No one really knows.

00:59:38.640 But there are many people like you who expect it.

00:59:40.940 They look at different biblical prophecies and they see them being fulfilled.

00:59:44.000 And they think that it's going to happen in our lifetime.

00:59:46.620 I don't necessarily have that feeling.

00:59:49.400 I hope.

00:59:50.640 I do hope.

00:59:51.840 I hope that Jesus comes back.

00:59:54.160 And.

00:59:55.060 I actually.

00:59:56.820 I really.

00:59:57.980 Again.

00:59:58.600 I.

00:59:59.280 It gives me so much hope that.

01:00:01.340 Yes.

01:00:01.760 Jesus might be coming.

01:00:03.640 And then you go like.

01:00:04.860 Oh my gosh.

01:00:05.580 But the road between now and Jesus is so hard.

01:00:08.980 I kind of.

01:00:09.400 I wouldn't mind that.

01:00:10.140 Not for my children.

01:00:10.920 But maybe.

01:00:11.760 Great great grandchildren or something like that.

01:00:14.000 It depends on what you believe about the tribulation and when that's going to happen.

01:00:18.340 But.

01:00:19.300 It's hard to imagine it getting much crazier and more confusing and more backwards.

01:00:23.260 But then.

01:00:24.540 You see things like Charlie's memorial.

01:00:27.300 And you're like.

01:00:27.880 Oh he's still up to something.

01:00:30.140 Like.

01:00:30.320 Oh he is.

01:00:30.900 He is seeking and saving the lost just as much as he ever has been.

01:00:35.140 And if you had told me.

01:00:36.800 In the summer of 2020.

01:00:38.500 When things were so bleak.

01:00:40.120 And I just did not believe things were going to get better.

01:00:42.120 I thought we were going to plummet deeper and deeper into the abyss.

01:00:44.860 Because you had the COVID craziness.

01:00:46.500 You had the George Floyd riots.

01:00:47.720 And you had the election.

01:00:49.540 All of it.

01:00:49.980 And all of that.

01:00:51.520 And if you would have told me.

01:00:53.340 Okay.

01:00:53.720 But five years from now.

01:00:55.500 You're going to be in a stadium with however many people.

01:00:58.220 200,000 people.

01:00:59.840 Praising the Lord together.

01:01:01.640 And some of those people are going to go to church and read the Bible for the first time.

01:01:05.160 I don't know that I would have believed it.

01:01:08.120 So I am now more hesitant to think when it feels really bleak that God is done.

01:01:14.120 It's so funny.

01:01:15.200 I would express it in a different way.

01:01:17.160 I stopped.

01:01:19.920 I scold myself all the time now.

01:01:22.500 On stop wanting it your way.

01:01:26.440 Stop thinking you know.

01:01:28.540 You know the.

01:01:30.840 Because I felt the same way after the 2020 election.

01:01:33.060 I'm like we are doomed.

01:01:34.980 Yeah.

01:01:35.240 We are doomed.

01:01:37.540 In retrospect.

01:01:38.380 If Trump hadn't have lost that.

01:01:41.740 We wouldn't be where we are now.

01:01:44.140 We wouldn't have exposed what we've exposed.

01:01:46.440 We are.

01:01:47.300 As we sit today.

01:01:49.740 The entire Western Hemisphere.

01:01:52.100 And assuming it goes smoothly.

01:01:54.780 May be transformed.

01:01:57.000 Iran may collapse.

01:01:59.240 May.

01:01:59.480 I mean there are so many things that are happening now.

01:02:03.920 That you're like what.

01:02:05.040 Wait a minute.

01:02:06.140 What.

01:02:07.100 How is this coming out of this.

01:02:09.100 And it wouldn't have happened in 2020.

01:02:11.260 Yeah.

01:02:11.720 And I was absolutely convinced.

01:02:13.840 And you know I've come to this place.

01:02:15.720 And I struggle with this a bit.

01:02:18.560 A bit.

01:02:19.040 And stop trying to calculate.

01:02:32.360 You know stop trying to go.

01:02:34.320 We have to do this.

01:02:36.340 Because then they'll do this.

01:02:37.740 And then we do this.

01:02:39.780 Just do what you're supposed to do.

01:02:42.000 Yeah.

01:02:42.120 Just that.

01:02:42.720 Just that.

01:02:43.680 Yeah.

01:02:43.940 Because it's never worked.

01:02:47.240 It does.

01:02:47.700 I see people including myself.

01:02:49.840 Try to get things to work out a certain way.

01:02:52.720 And it never works out in a good way.

01:02:56.060 Yeah.

01:02:56.720 You know I've had Justin Haskins on.

01:02:59.160 Your co-author several times.

01:03:00.840 And whenever I'm done talking to him.

01:03:02.960 I'm like okay.

01:03:04.500 That was really heavy.

01:03:06.140 And that was really big.

01:03:07.500 I remember before the.

01:03:08.840 Before Trump was elected.

01:03:09.820 He was talking about this European law.

01:03:11.340 That was going to insert itself into basically all industry everywhere.

01:03:14.940 And they just really didn't want Trump to win.

01:03:17.040 And then of course Trump won and changed things.

01:03:19.440 And that was hopeful.

01:03:20.860 But sometimes it just feels like it's all too much.

01:03:22.800 Like I can't do anything about Sam Altman.

01:03:24.440 I can't do anything about ASI.

01:03:26.680 And I say this phrase.

01:03:28.220 Which the first part is not mine.

01:03:29.700 But I just added to it.

01:03:30.860 Just do the next right thing.

01:03:32.400 In faith.

01:03:33.540 With excellence.

01:03:34.200 And for the glory of God.

01:03:35.300 That's the only thing you can do.

01:03:36.620 Now sometimes that might be a big moment of public triumph.

01:03:39.560 But most of the time.

01:03:41.360 It's changing a diaper joyfully.

01:03:44.380 Most of the time.

01:03:45.760 It's just saying the true thing. 0.89

01:03:48.120 To the grocery store clerk.

01:03:50.320 And most of the time.

01:03:51.700 It's just reading a book to your kids.

01:03:53.860 And all of those moments matter in eternity.

01:03:57.060 Everything done to the glory of God.

01:03:59.040 In obedience to God.

01:04:00.420 Does something good.

01:04:02.640 And the rest is up to him.

01:04:04.400 And if I don't rest in that.

01:04:05.740 Then I get really anxious really fast.

01:04:07.240 Yeah I know.

01:04:08.360 I know.

01:04:08.720 You know it's funny.

01:04:11.340 It's these little things.

01:04:13.400 Look how much social media has changed us.

01:04:16.380 And it's just millions of five second clips.

01:04:20.440 Yeah.

01:04:21.400 Scrolling.

01:04:22.500 Yeah.

01:04:23.340 You know.

01:04:23.860 We're not watching them for more than a minute.

01:04:26.480 And yet that constant scrolling of the mostly negative things.

01:04:32.620 I see stuff you know on social media.

01:04:36.460 And I'm trying to get my social media trained a bit.

01:04:39.360 To just show me the good stuff.

01:04:41.940 The triumphs and all of that stuff.

01:04:45.900 And when you just change that.

01:04:48.180 But it's nothing remarkable.

01:04:50.520 Yeah.

01:04:50.660 It's nothing remarkable.

01:04:51.980 Nothing is like that's game changing.

01:04:55.600 Yeah.

01:04:55.880 It's just all of these little things of people doing either good or bad.

01:05:02.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.560 You know positive or negative.

01:05:04.400 And how we consume it every day.

01:05:06.600 Yep.

01:05:07.260 That's absolutely true.

01:05:08.400 I always say that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch.

01:05:12.300 Always.

01:05:13.340 Even when Charlie was assassinated.

01:05:15.120 Even when we lose an election.

01:05:17.280 Even when crazy conspiracy theories are dominating the internet.

01:05:21.200 God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch.

01:05:23.500 And when I have conversations with people not on the internet in real life.

01:05:27.580 And I talked to someone who two years ago was an atheist.

01:05:30.560 Had completely rejected God and says you know I think I'm going to get baptized.

01:05:34.820 Because I started reading my Bible and going to church.

01:05:37.100 I'm like that's it.

01:05:38.920 Because God's work doesn't always make headlines.

01:05:41.100 And when it seems like he's doing one thing.

01:05:42.680 He's doing 10,000 things that we don't know about.

01:05:45.740 And if I don't trust in that.

01:05:48.160 And I'm only looking at what Twitter shows me.

01:05:50.800 I'm in a really bad place.

01:05:52.040 Which happens.

01:05:52.560 Like I also have to scold myself.

01:05:54.340 And get myself off of X.

01:05:56.140 Because I get like really sad.

01:05:57.880 About the state of the world.

01:05:59.800 And if I don't retreat from that.

01:06:01.560 I've found it lately.

01:06:02.220 I've found it to be.

01:06:04.560 Almost bone crushing sad.

01:06:06.740 Yeah.

01:06:07.300 You're not like.

01:06:08.420 I'm not even getting angry anymore.

01:06:10.280 I'm like.

01:06:10.800 It's just sad.

01:06:11.560 Oh my gosh.

01:06:12.880 How do you live your life like that?

01:06:14.640 Believing that.

01:06:15.440 Feeling that.

01:06:16.180 Oh my gosh.

01:06:16.800 So sad.

01:06:17.720 I know.

01:06:18.440 And just.

01:06:19.280 Injustice in the world.

01:06:20.260 And so you can't allow your mood to be dictated by the highs and lows of Twitter though.

01:06:26.880 I mean that's just no way to live your life.

01:06:30.080 People ask me all the time.

01:06:31.660 Like you know people who follow me.

01:06:33.260 How do you not get just like depressed and anxious and stay in this dark place?

01:06:37.180 Because you can't be on social media all the time.

01:06:39.920 And the fact that I have a real family and real community and a real church and real friends

01:06:46.800 who talk about things and care about things in addition to what happens on X.

01:06:52.640 That is like really what grounds me.

01:06:54.860 And I do you know all of this for them.

01:06:57.320 For those real people who are just confused about what's going on in the world.

01:07:00.720 You know.

01:07:01.200 When you focus on that it makes things a lot clearer.

01:07:04.200 And your purpose a lot clearer too.

01:07:05.500 I think you have such a huge future in front of you.

01:07:11.580 I just think you're an.

01:07:13.740 I hate this word.

01:07:17.020 But a true influencer.

01:07:18.920 You're not.

01:07:20.360 It's not a.

01:07:21.680 You're genuine and bigger than what influencer means.

01:07:26.260 Thank you.

01:07:26.640 For archive purposes.

01:07:35.460 Talk to yourself 20 years from now.

01:07:39.400 On hope.

01:07:40.620 Who you hope you are.

01:07:44.860 Who you.

01:07:45.720 What you hope you haven't forgotten.

01:07:47.720 I hope that my husband and I can look back and say we built that together and we had so much fun and we took our family, our kids along for the ride every step of the way.

01:08:02.120 I hope that in 20 years, all of my kids love and like each other.

01:08:09.060 That is like really big goal in my life.

01:08:12.180 I want them to love and like us.

01:08:13.560 Yes.

01:08:13.780 But I want them to love and like each other.

01:08:15.380 I want them to be friends.

01:08:16.620 I want them to be there for each other.

01:08:17.920 I want them to have each other's back.

01:08:19.540 That is what I spent most of my time as a mom doing. 1.00

01:08:22.860 Teaching them to love God and love each other.

01:08:24.620 And so I hope I can have like these adult children that I love to hang out with and that love to hang out with each other.

01:08:32.600 And I hope that I always remembered the most important thing is faithfulness to God.

01:08:38.920 Not big contracts, not money, not opportunities, not, you know, clips that go viral or any of that.

01:08:46.200 But the steadfast adherence to whatever God's calling is, public or private, at the end of 20 years, if I can say that by the grace of God, then I will feel fulfilled.

01:09:02.180 I have a feeling you'll be happy in 20 years.

01:09:04.960 Thanks.

01:09:05.480 Thank you.

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01:09:19.020 Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything, like packing a spare stick.

01:09:44.520 I like to be prepared.

01:09:45.580 That's why I remember 988 Canada's Suicide Crisis Helpline.

01:09:50.060 It's good to know, just in case.

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 07, 2026

Ep 281 ｜ The Controversial Truth About Women Preachers ｜ Allie Beth Stuckey ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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