The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 284 ｜ White Males Need Not Apply ｜ Jacob Savage

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00:01:22.780 staff writing job and we can't because you're a white guy for the person is your age that feels

00:01:30.760 like i have i'm being massively screwed how do you how do you deal in that world i was definitely

00:01:38.740 a liberal um i'm not a liberal anymore it's like here's the most popular show in the country for

00:01:44.600 half the country and we're just going to pretend that it doesn't exist

00:01:49.220 hey jacob thanks for being on with me hey oh sure thanks for thanks for having me

00:01:57.420 yeah i uh i read your story and it and i'll tell you why in a little while it really frightens me

00:02:04.880 um it it concerns me a great deal because we're losing a whole generation for anybody who doesn't

00:02:11.360 know your story um and the article that you wrote you were a ticket ticket scalper you wanted to be

00:02:18.460 a hollywood writer what happened um well i moved out to hollywood not to be a ticket scalper uh i

00:02:26.580 moved out to be a writer um when i first moved out it was like 2011 um there were actually a lot more

00:02:34.300 opportunities than there were maybe five years later even though the industry really expanded

00:02:39.420 um i mean the truth is i got into ticket scalping as a side hustle i was sat tutoring and i just got

00:02:46.880 better and better at ticket scalping because i had no opportunities to make money screenwriting

00:02:52.680 um so basically i tried and i tried and you end up uh sort of throwing your head against the wall

00:03:01.220 and obviously it's an industry where no one's guaranteed success but the truth is a couple

00:03:05.720 of times in my career i was brought into like various spaces and told we were about to give

00:03:12.820 you this staff writing job and we can't because you're a white guy um and we already have too

00:03:20.480 many white guys on staff um and that was sort of the uh you know and then you spend another eight

00:03:26.980 years banging your head against the wall and uh yeah then you write a big article so so i just

00:03:33.440 want to play devil's advocate with you i don't mean to i don't mean to i mean i'm going to push

00:03:37.980 you but just plain devil's advocate sure because i think we got to get to a place to where people

00:03:44.300 can actually hear you so let's uh let me ask you this why are you why should i believe you're not

00:03:50.780 just a disgruntled guy who was not a good writer and just couldn't get a job and so now you're all

00:03:56.240 pissed off about it and you're doing this i mean i am partly exactly that but i think part of the

00:04:02.380 thing is, is this, I mean, I mean, I wouldn't have written the article if I was, if I was good for

00:04:07.220 you. Um, at least you're honest. Yes. But I think if you look at the numbers, the number, you know,

00:04:13.340 I, I went into depth in this article about the sort of broader numbers, um, within all these

00:04:19.120 different industries. And the year I moved to Hollywood, um, there were about 48% of the lower

00:04:26.080 level writers um were white men um which honestly seems i think white men for whatever reason were

00:04:33.840 more likely to go into this field partly for you know whatever historic reasons um maybe partly

00:04:40.800 because of some residual um discrimination i can't i don't know but i think 48 was about the number of

00:04:47.120 white men who were aspirants for this for these jobs in 2011 um by 2024 that was 11 was the number

00:04:56.720 of white men who were getting these jobs which is you know obviously you go from being one and a

00:05:02.000 half times more represented via your population to like one third within the space of a decade

00:05:08.800 um and it's sort of astonishing when you really unpack that what that means um it was not a slow

00:05:15.840 change it was not um you know we're gonna have we're gonna hire you know one percent less white

00:05:20.880 guys every year it was we're just gonna stop um and i spoke to a showrunner who

00:05:30.080 reached out after the article was published and he said actually that 11 number is is not even right

00:05:35.760 because the 11 involves all of the true nepo hires that the show runners had to make so someone an

00:05:42.160 actor son got that job someone with some connections got that job so he you're really

00:05:47.680 talking about is that no one was like let in who didn't you know either have like a connection to

00:05:53.480 begin with or um some sort of other identity i suppose you believe in merit based i do believe

00:06:03.400 in merit yes yes i do so i mean it's amazing you have to actually ask that in today's world but

00:06:09.640 i mean i really don't care what color you are funny is funny talent is talent i mean whatever

00:06:16.220 whatever it is you're good at hire the i don't want my surgeon to be a dei hire i don't want

00:06:23.300 my surgeon to be a white guy if he's not the best surgeon you know and i can't believe that we're at

00:06:30.640 this place where you know especially in you know someplace like holly hollywood you i mean hollywood

00:06:38.940 deserves everything they're getting um you know you're just seeing yeah you're just seeing this

00:06:44.640 this destruction of of merit um i think i think a lot of the people who would have come up

00:06:53.800 to create the next generation of shows and i'm not counting myself there i don't i don't consider

00:06:58.340 myself a genius i think i'm a good writer but um i think there are plenty of people who would have

00:07:03.780 been releasing shows around now and been at that stage in their career who never got off the ground

00:07:08.280 And I think that is no small part of why Hollywood is struggling so much at the moment that they just sort of cut off a generation of talent the way that they did.

00:07:19.500 And I don't even consider myself within that.

00:07:21.700 I just wanted a job.

00:07:23.540 Right.

00:07:24.560 The people that that do have a job that are there, do they feel that these are the the best people?

00:07:32.460 no i've gotten some pushback from people i know in the industry who've gotten who work

00:07:39.680 and some people basically will tell you you know a tv writer's room was always like a political

00:07:45.740 thing it wasn't about who wrote the best stuff it was about you know who got along the best with

00:07:53.080 uh you know gelled in the room didn't cause friction and there's some truth to that but

00:07:59.160 yeah and i've also some and also i think some people you know i think film has been less

00:08:04.980 affected it's still been very affected but overall some movies still get made that are good

00:08:11.300 i guess as part of it and there's a whole there's only like one writer who you're hiring versus an

00:08:17.800 entire crew you can kind of okay you can hire you can get a white guy who wrote the script

00:08:22.300 um but yeah i think i think hollywood is suffering because i think they spent

00:08:27.840 10 years not both not following their audience you know it took i don't know yellowstone was

00:08:34.600 on for a long time before they started making yellowstone clones you know they it was like

00:08:40.360 like like you know it's like it's like here's the most popular show in the country for half the

00:08:45.180 country and we're just going to pretend that it doesn't exist i mean they stopped they eventually

00:08:51.080 i think i actually think hollywood is is in terms of this stuff um improving now because i don't

00:08:57.780 think they ever because holly they never believed in anything you know i think academia is the one

00:09:01.960 that is like lost forever but um so before we get into academia let me just stay in hollywood for a

00:09:08.240 second so do you think do you so you don't think that the people that were in these rooms or making

00:09:13.540 these decisions actually believed in any of it they were just doing it i think why to stand what

00:09:18.680 I think there are a few people who believed, but I don't think sort of the senior executives ever believed that this was like good.

00:09:26.960 I don't think that the most showrunners really thought, you know, I really just don't want to hire the best person for this job.

00:09:34.680 I think a lot of people were were frustrated.

00:09:40.420 And I don't and I think they've pivoted.

00:09:43.360 You know, I again, I spoke to this showrunner recently who was basically like, we're back to 2012 rules, which is, you know, don't embarrass us with an all white male writers room.

00:09:53.720 But other than that, you can hire whoever you want.

00:09:56.540 So it is going back.

00:10:00.300 Yeah, I mean, they're not like going back to sort of we don't care at all, but they're going back to, you know, I think we can all acknowledge we went too far with this and we just want, you know, to make some money.

00:10:13.180 again um so what you know if you were they were all white uh writers rooms uh that would imply

00:10:22.380 that the people up at the top were white males as well why did they just roll over or were they part

00:10:29.460 of this um i think both i think some of them sort of some of them really were believers and you know

00:10:38.600 the hypocrisy of you know fully pulling up the ladder behind you is something you know

00:10:44.680 both interesting and you know it could be a case study in its own sort of indie movie but

00:10:52.360 i think a lot of them felt very direct pressure and i think what was interesting about this whole

00:10:57.240 moment is the pressure came both from the bottom and from the top where from the bottom you know

00:11:02.840 you don't want to get um you know have some sort of twitter threat in 2020 go viral about how

00:11:09.400 racist you are because you know you're still only having you know white men in your writer's room

00:11:14.440 at the same time there were literal mandates from the from the companies where you know

00:11:20.440 unless you were maybe the most powerful writer in hollywood i'm not even you as a showrunner had to

00:11:26.520 have a room that was 50 diverse and if you're trying to hire senior writers and the pool for

00:11:33.320 them you know is still primarily white men so you hire a couple senior writers and you're left with

00:11:39.000 you have to everyone else who you hire has to not be a white man so i think some of them were

00:11:43.800 believers and i think some of them you know people do what they have to do to you know make a living

00:11:48.680 and get along and i don't think it was possible in a lot of these contexts for them to even

00:11:55.000 say no it was just a total mandate um i mean you could quit i think that would have been on a more

00:12:01.440 respectable you know moral position right but you know but you wouldn't have worked it wouldn't work

00:12:06.860 yeah um you know but say la vie um you know you said you know they're pulling up the ladder i

00:12:13.100 remember in um uh de tocqueville's book democracy in america he says at some point the rich or the

00:12:21.460 powerful are going to be in a position and they will kick the door that they walked through they'll

00:12:26.940 kick it closed behind them uh and that that feels like what a lot of these people did i mean we can

00:12:34.560 go to the universities but a lot of these um elites white men at universities they kick the

00:12:42.060 door that you try to be a white professor a white male professor now you're not going to get that job

00:12:47.140 yeah i mean they certainly did kick the door down after them um and i think i think the big mistake

00:12:56.400 that sort of everyone you know i don't think what i wrote about was like unknown um especially sort

00:13:03.080 of among your audience and more more right-wing people everyone knew this was happening but i

00:13:08.020 think that the sort of interesting thing to think about that i don't think had been framed like this

00:13:13.020 was just the cohort type effect in terms of who was affected.

00:13:19.220 You know, you could say, I think, it's not to say that there were no 50-year-old white guys who were affected

00:13:23.780 or there were no 20-year-old white guys who were affected.

00:13:27.700 But I think, you know, specifically millennials, like we graduated college

00:13:32.600 really believing that the world was trying to be a fair place.

00:13:37.520 It's never a completely fair place, but that it was trying to be a fair place

00:13:40.700 And people are basically going to be judged on who, you know, on who they were and the quality of their work.

00:13:48.440 And we got disabused of that very quickly.

00:13:53.580 But, yeah, I think people just.

00:13:55.480 Wait, wait, wait.

00:13:56.460 But by what?

00:13:57.840 Because that was that was the argument from the left was it's not a fair place.

00:14:03.620 We're going to make it fair.

00:14:04.560 and it might not have been fair before they started but it's so obviously unfair now i mean

00:14:12.840 whenever you say you know martin luther king was was all about uh reconciliation you can't

00:14:18.760 you can't have losers you have to reconcile all of this there's no reconciliation with this it was

00:14:25.660 we're going to punish you the only way to be not be a racist is to be a racist you know anti-racism

00:14:31.520 i mean which is is nuts in its in its practice yeah i think i think the idea that the answer

00:14:38.820 to past discrimination is present discrimination um correct is just sort of perpetuating this cycle

00:14:46.120 that like will not end in it does not end well um and i think there was also in some sense a lot

00:14:56.240 of stolen valor among um people my generation who were not white men you know if you're a white

00:15:02.620 woman who graduated college in 2010 i don't think you ever faced real sexism in the workplace you

00:15:08.660 did not grow up in the time of your mother you know you were not like a woman in an office in

00:15:13.740 the 1980s um and the idea that that somehow uh is is still was still the case in the 2010s was just

00:15:24.680 so like patently false um but everyone sort of was play acting at living in a different decade

00:15:31.660 than the decade they were actually actually living in how did that happen

00:15:36.360 i think it's it's tough i i mean i part of me wanted to get into sort of the full origins of

00:15:45.320 this but it's hard to know exactly my sense is that there was a lot of disappointment after the

00:15:53.440 first Obama term and you know race relations gender relations had not been completely utopian

00:16:01.240 ly healed in America and I think that people went um went crazy and I think the media drove cycle

00:16:12.040 after cycle about this for almost a decade um and it's hard when you're the CEO of one of these

00:16:19.420 companies to say, you know, we're going to ignore it. You know, think about how many people sort

00:16:24.460 of got canceled in the 2010s for, you know, not real stuff. It was just this hype cycle. I think

00:16:32.100 probably if you go into it, it was probably a combination of politics, technology, and media

00:16:37.100 that made it take off so intensely without even, you know, because the interesting thing is there

00:16:44.280 were no government mandates, like mandating people, you know, obviously, in fact, it's

00:16:48.680 actually illegal to do this stuff um but it all kind of swirled around to create this pressure

00:16:57.820 both from the bottom from sort of like the the generic twitter user in 2015 and from the top

00:17:04.880 you know where you're like the top the people at the top didn't want to be called a racist

00:17:08.400 um or a misogynist so you ended up with converging on these pressures that

00:17:14.000 uh kind of froze out younger white men so what do you think the fields are the the worst that

00:17:21.580 were hit by dei so i wrote about in the article very specifically and in depth about media

00:17:29.780 academia and hollywood um i think those i wrote about those fields not because i think those were

00:17:35.780 the only fields that were affected but because they were the most relentless about cataloging

00:17:41.920 what they were doing um so you know every year there would be reports that told you what how

00:17:49.020 many new hires were of which gender and race right which makes it very easy to sort of go

00:17:54.520 go back and prove prove the case that you were making now i i think it happened it obviously

00:18:01.000 happened in almost every liberal field it happened in foundations it happened in advertising it

00:18:09.100 happened in corporate america i think it happened in tech it happened in a lot of those to a lesser

00:18:14.740 extent than it happened in media academia and uh hollywood but i think it happened in any

00:18:22.020 sort of liberal and when i say liberal i don't mean you know it could be in the heart of texas

00:18:27.920 but if it's like a fortune 500 company they're still gonna um you know face those pressures

00:18:33.700 it happened to anyone who sort of worked within liberal america i think um

00:18:39.800 is are we done with it has it peaked in it's i think it's peaked i think there's still uh

00:18:50.060 there's still i i don't think we're done with it every every once in a while you know there's an

00:18:56.920 article and i think the new york times has gotten a lot better than it was four or five years ago

00:19:01.040 but every once in a while there's still an article that pretends it's 2019 again

00:19:06.100 and you wonder if they're just sort of biding their time I think like for it

00:19:13.700 for example like a month ago I saw an article about how there aren't enough

00:19:18.600 cardiothoracic surgeons who are women and you read the article and basically

00:19:25.120 this is a specialty that requires people to be on call 70, 80 hours a week. And most, you know,

00:19:35.460 it also requires a high level of competence. Most highly competent female doctors, I think,

00:19:42.320 quite reasonably, probably want a family and don't want to work 80 hours a week.

00:19:48.420 The idea that that could be the explanation for what for this gender gap just never came up in

00:19:54.740 the article and i think that's sort of part you know my wife is a costume designer no one is ever

00:20:01.080 like we need to make this this industry more male you know it only ever goes it only ever goes the

00:20:08.480 other way um i do think that academia i i get sent tips all the time academia is still doing

00:20:18.740 this in hiring they're doing it at a sort of lesser grade um i think media has is in the

00:20:26.740 process of self-correcting a little bit you know because it is like a sort of free market and

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00:23:04.440 today. So let me talk to you about people, let's say my age or look like me. I will hear them say,

00:23:17.960 you know, when I was a kid, we just pull ourselves up. It's different than it is now. I mean,

00:23:24.100 i believe in merit base i mean i i know um i mean my success was not given to me by any stretch of

00:23:33.500 the imagination i have i mean i'm the luckiest guy in the world i just happened to be at the

00:23:37.060 right place at the right time and everything else and i worked hard as well but i don't know is that

00:23:43.680 can you accomplish that um you know i mean we're we're looking at you know kind of the

00:23:52.260 Jim Crow laws, except not as bad and in reverse. But when you cap people and say, we're not going

00:23:59.760 to hire these kinds of people, you can't break through on merit. And so I look at people of

00:24:05.120 your generation and say, you were sold absolute lies, absolute lies. Then you go out and you find

00:24:14.380 out that that's a lie and you can't you can't break out do you find that to be true or or can

00:24:22.320 you break out is there any other way to get around this i think there i mean obviously there are ways

00:24:28.920 to get around it i'm not the only i'm not there's not a single there are white men my age who've

00:24:34.320 made it in hollywood or media um or even academia i think that what happened i mean i think that

00:24:42.880 what happened and what people the illusion people are under is that actually they just

00:24:47.160 uh the top five percent of white guys will still get through i don't think that's true maybe five

00:24:52.920 percent of white guys total will get through but a lot of that again is luck and where you are at a

00:24:57.240 point and um you know i i i think that the issue as i see it is a lot of the more talented white

00:25:07.800 men my age saw that you know if you were smarter than i was in 2016 you saw the writing on the wall

00:25:14.680 and you didn't even try you just got into crypto or podcasting or something else

00:25:20.120 um and and you know i'm you're living a probably pretty good life and life is okay i think the

00:25:25.080 issue and i think you can and you should pull yourself up you know and you shouldn't wallow

00:25:30.760 in your own self-complaint.

00:25:32.800 Sure, sure, sure, sure.

00:25:34.600 I think that what happened very specifically

00:25:37.520 was that no one told us

00:25:39.500 that it would have been easier

00:25:42.380 if there had been a quota.

00:25:43.400 If they had just announced in 2014,

00:25:45.440 from now on, it's 7%.

00:25:47.460 And the rest of you are out of luck.

00:25:51.360 We proceeded through this decade of our careers

00:25:54.900 as if we had a chance.

00:25:57.540 And I think that that is the sort of...

00:26:00.760 true tragedy because you could have you could have you know i could have gone into tech i could

00:26:04.340 have gone into some other thing that provided a life for me and my family and i you know in the

00:26:11.920 end of the article i blame myself for not doing that because i think it was you know i i knew what

00:26:16.260 was happening i didn't want to accept it and i think a lot of people feel the same way i think

00:26:21.960 there are ways around it and i think you've seen a lot of ways around it that people who are smart

00:26:27.540 and inventive have made it doesn't mean that it's good that it happened if that makes sense

00:26:34.200 yeah no i i understand but what i'm i'm i'm driving at is

00:26:39.220 there's only two places to go from a point like this and a lot of people will say you know it's

00:26:51.060 rigged against me i'm never gonna make it basically what we're hearing on the left you

00:26:55.000 know for the last 15 years it's rigged against me i'm never going to make it everybody's going

00:26:59.080 to hold me back i have no chance so you either then just go into depression land and you just

00:27:04.020 become zero um or you go dark and you start going towards you know uh i don't even know there's it

00:27:18.340 doesn't seem to be any real middle ground here i guess you go into like white power and you know

00:27:23.080 I fight for the white man. And it's like, no, wait, neither of those are neither of those are good.

00:27:28.680 How do you solve this? I mean, I'm not saying solve it for I'm not saying solve it for the institutions.

00:27:38.380 I'm saying for you, for the person that is your age, that feels like I have I'm being massively screwed.

00:27:45.320 how do you how do you deal in that world i think you know i think it is a personal thing for

00:27:54.360 for sort of everyone personally the way i look at it is you know i have two young sons who i love

00:28:00.820 dearly and i think if if i had made it in hollywood in 2016 i'm not sure they would exist and

00:28:06.240 i think my life would be in a lot of ways worse had you know yeah so i think you have the life

00:28:12.520 that you where you are right now is where you are right now and you and i think you can be angry

00:28:17.740 about it but i think um i think you need to i think the perspective of being able to say uh

00:28:26.240 that this happened and i'm going to do my best to live my life like as a good person without being

00:28:33.400 consumed by rage and to and to you know and you can fight against it and you can create alternate

00:28:39.860 alt-institutions, you know, one of the critiques of the article that I read from the right

00:28:46.660 that, you know, I find interesting, but I think is not quite right, is, you know, who

00:28:52.660 cares about these institutions anyway?

00:28:54.480 They're all just filled with, you know, rabid leftists.

00:28:58.120 We need to just create our own.

00:29:00.320 And I think that that's a valid reaction.

00:29:02.320 The issue is that it takes 20 years to, you know, even start to create new institutions.

00:29:07.160 And by then, you're...

00:29:09.860 um your past your career no so i think i don't know it's hard to i i i think that going forward

00:29:19.020 my hope and i don't i i can't tell people how to feel individually but my hope is that we just

00:29:24.940 moved past this in a way that uh feels fair you know i think part of it is no one in this country

00:29:33.180 at this point not it felt not the left not the right no one thinks anything is fair anymore

00:29:37.260 um you know the and sort of dividing people up like this for the last 15 years has clearly not

00:29:47.020 led to sort of good feeling towards our fellow citizens um right and i just my hope is that you

00:29:56.700 know we just start treating people as people and hiring them as such and acknowledging difference

00:30:04.740 while not you know sort of harping on it in in a way that that is poisonous in the end um but

00:30:12.980 you know part of me is also pessimistic i'm not sure that that will happen like i don't you know

00:30:17.440 that's my hope but i i sort of think this could just be going like a merry-go-round of this until

00:30:23.120 you know i'm an old man which i hope doesn't happen i hope my i hope my kids grow up in a

00:30:28.660 in a world that is,

00:30:30.200 you know,

00:30:32.180 well,

00:30:32.360 usually the world seems to,

00:30:35.160 the world seems to be on a pendulum.

00:30:38.100 I mean,

00:30:38.800 it always,

00:30:39.420 it swings too far one way and then it comes back and it's,

00:30:42.980 then it swings too far the other way.

00:30:44.580 I mean,

00:30:45.560 um,

00:30:46.420 you know,

00:30:46.620 I just wish the swings weren't as rapid and we had more time in the

00:30:49.560 middle.

00:30:50.480 Um,

00:30:51.060 but I,

00:30:51.860 I,

00:30:52.200 I,

00:30:52.300 I,

00:30:52.360 I,

00:30:52.400 unless someone grabs that pendulum by force,

00:30:57.420 and says nope this is the way we are you know and we become fascistic or authoritarian

00:31:03.420 that's the i think that's the real danger when you get out to these extremes then you have

00:31:09.180 people willing to say it's not going anywhere it's staying just like this

00:31:14.300 and that's that's extremely frightening but if if man is is able to play out his worst instincts

00:31:24.640 as always happens it'll we will be in 40 years from now we will be back at you know the absolute

00:31:33.180 zenith of the individual nobody else matters except the individual and forget the collective

00:31:39.080 i mean we just keep going back and forth like this i just uh i'm worried about the swing because

00:31:46.360 i'm worried that too many people are being left behind and being sold a load of goods that you

00:31:51.760 can't make it you never will make it the system is so rigged against you well then if you believe

00:31:58.760 that stuff the only answer is to burn the system down because you're angry and resentful

00:32:04.520 yeah i mean i think i i think that that's a real danger and i i don't i don't quite know how to

00:32:12.320 address it other than to say you know uh there are joys in life that like have nothing to do with

00:32:18.920 your career or you know and you should try to find community however you can um but again it's

00:32:28.540 a small consolation for people who really you know do feel in many cases legitimately iced out of um

00:32:35.680 you know what their capabilities are

00:32:39.780 well speak to more of what you said a little while ago i mean i i could spend my life bitching

00:32:51.820 you know if i wasn't a conservative maybe a little smarter but if i wasn't a conservative

00:32:57.140 i mean i had contracts with paramount studios for movies and everything else until

00:33:01.780 it became popular to start you know saying no to people like me um and uh and so the huge swath of

00:33:11.640 the country was just ignored um and so i had to go out and build my own thing and while that's not

00:33:19.440 what i wanted to do it's been a good life and it's been you know i've hopefully paved the road

00:33:27.300 for others to be able to have access to i mean when i first started doing stuff online netflix

00:33:33.000 was still doing movies and i built a net i've been doing movies on in the mail you know what i mean

00:33:38.920 and i built a network now everybody's doing that when i started everybody said that couldn't be

00:33:43.860 done i didn't want to do that but i did and so expand a little bit more on on you know the fact

00:33:54.340 that where you are you are and it's not necessarily bad you don't always get what you want but you get

00:33:59.340 what you need yeah i mean look i think life i think life is filled with disappointments like

00:34:06.200 even if we lived in a perfect meritocratic world you know you'd still be disappointed in many ways

00:34:12.440 with a lot of the way that your career goes or your life um and i think you know again for me

00:34:19.780 personally you know i i do i do not like scalping tickets on the internet it is soulless it is

00:34:28.920 boring but it provides a life for my family that you know is a good enough life that makes us happy

00:34:37.720 most of the time and there's like a you know there's an honor to that and the truth is you

00:34:44.880 know it's not miserable and um you know take joy in the things that like are you exploring other

00:34:53.460 ways to write i mean you know this article that i wrote i mean i think it would have been picked

00:34:58.320 up a lot more if it wasn't calling out the power so much but i mean let me read this jd vance said

00:35:04.640 a lot of people think di's lame diversity seminars or race racial slogans at nfl games in reality

00:35:10.540 it's a deliberate program of discrimination primarily against white men it's an incredible

00:35:15.200 piece that describes the evil of dei and its consequences i mean i don't know how you feel

00:35:19.820 about jd vance but i mean it was read by a lot of people your article you want to be a writer

00:35:27.020 you were a very successful writer on this article um the response has been very gratifying um

00:35:33.800 and it's great and you know it's it's what you want out of a piece of writing is for people to

00:35:40.440 hear you and to grapple with it i i have been exploring you know more writing pathways what

00:35:46.200 i'll say is that no i've been contacted by a bunch of people um not no one in hollywood has been like

00:35:52.100 maybe we should see what his scripts were all about um right but what kind of what did you

00:35:58.120 what do you write what kind of scripts do you write i wrote um i wrote a bunch of hour-long

00:36:05.320 drop tv pilots dramas a couple that were very good um i did i wrote a couple movies um one i

00:36:14.980 thought was bad one i thought was very good um there were there were a bunch of you know i love

00:36:20.440 you right you write scripts um you know you write some clunkers you write some some stuff that you

00:36:25.820 think is actually really good um yeah i think what i'll say and one of part of the issue and

00:36:34.080 this is what my critics from the left will say is that this is a structural problem and it's a

00:36:38.960 sinking ship in all these industries and you're you know sure uh women and people of color got

00:36:46.300 more of these jobs but it was just because it was the white men had fled because they knew it was a

00:36:50.840 sinking ship um no and no what i'll say to you know what i'll say to that is i do think there

00:36:58.500 structural problems in media and hollywood and academia but um part of those structural problems

00:37:06.500 are because you know they didn't a follow the market to you know what people wanted to watch

00:37:13.780 and read um and hire the best people um and you know i don't know what the world i don't think

00:37:22.740 that it would have solved say a hollywood streaming problem or you know the the decline of

00:37:29.380 all newspapers that are at the new york times but it certainly would have if they had given more

00:37:35.460 you know talent and different voices you know different political voices that were not all

00:37:40.900 identical i think you know like take the free press like that within four years that company

00:37:47.540 went from nothing you know and it was just because there was a market need for that and no one yes

00:37:53.920 um paying attention to it so were you a cons were you conservative are you i mean i don't want to

00:38:03.760 get into politics but where were you when this started and have you moved you don't even have

00:38:07.660 to tell me where sure no but when this started i was definitely i was definitely a liberal um i am

00:38:14.160 not a liberal anymore um my politics are honestly all over the place like there's some things that

00:38:20.960 i'm super conservative about there's something that i'm super liberal about and so in other

00:38:25.960 words you're human yeah no i think i think people i think part of you know this is not part of the

00:38:33.660 article but part of the thing that i felt within my social milieu for the last decade is you know

00:38:40.660 everyone pretended that they had to that every political question had been agreed upon and

00:38:49.340 that you were not allowed that no one could disagree with sort of the the new york times

00:38:56.140 stance on anything and you know i think that that among a lot of i would say that combined

00:39:03.540 with this dei stuff in my own career just broke me politically and just made me question everything

00:39:10.080 from the from from the get-go um they're more of they're more of you every day there are a lot

00:39:17.960 there i think people people ought people swing back and forth um i think what i did sense is

00:39:25.360 even among my old friends who sort of were liberal true believers and still sort of are um

00:39:30.900 is that they're not um they're not into it anymore in the way that like they were a decade ago they

00:39:37.600 were they they there's like an icing out that happened even for people who you know held their

00:39:43.800 noses and decided to vote for kamala harris like i think there's no enthusiasm left among white men

00:39:52.640 my age for you know the mainstream democratic establishment is that how does that work i mean

00:40:00.320 you must know people like you that are not married how is that working because women have become

00:40:07.020 much more progressive um and men are going the opposite direction and how how are now you get

00:40:17.900 into a world where you're disgruntled you don't have a job you feel like every world's against you

00:40:22.280 and you don't have a woman that you wants to spend their life with you most of my friends

00:40:31.100 at this point are married and have kids and i think there's nothing that makes you more

00:40:37.500 like both there's something that makes you both care less about politics and be less

00:40:44.380 sort of dogmatic than just having to deal with your kids every day like um you're tired like

00:40:52.680 no it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like uh you know i don't i think sorry i lost my

00:41:00.640 train of thought on the question, but I think people sort of have come around to the fact that

00:41:10.820 not everyone agrees with them about everything. And I think the more that that happens, the better

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00:41:53.000 all you have you said you had two sons right yeah how old are they they stopped three and a half and

00:42:00.720 one and a half and they stopped sleeping a month ago so if i'm if i'm not quite articulate enough

00:42:05.680 it's it's because of that well that's okay uh you stop so when they stop sleeping you stop sleeping

00:42:12.040 and i guarantee you you're not going to stop sleeping until they're both 20 and out of the

00:42:17.180 house um uh but enjoy every second of it every second of it um

00:42:22.640 do you think the culture is going to change or how do you prepare them to live in the world that

00:42:32.980 you're seeing today i i think the culture is changing i don't think that you're seeing the

00:42:42.340 sort of most out there uh you know like like a like a friend of mine who's a black woman was on

00:42:51.120 a tv writer on a show and she told me that this other writer this white woman came up to her and

00:42:57.180 told her that she wanted her you know she was trying to make sure her toddler sons like didn't

00:43:01.280 grow up to be toxic white men and this woman was like that is the craziest thing i ever heard they're

00:43:06.140 they're like innocent little children but um i think you're seeing less of that

00:43:11.580 um i think you're seeing less of this sort of um you know but i you know i i just want them

00:43:20.260 to grow up in a world in which you know they can i'm more concerned about ai and all this

00:43:25.640 other stuff for them and for the future than i am about this identity stuff i hope it will

00:43:30.640 work itself out um decently uh but uh and i'm more concerned about the fact that kids all have

00:43:40.000 um you know chromebooks in california and kindergarten than i am with the uh

00:43:48.240 maybe with what they're teaching i think that i can teach them

00:43:51.360 you know what they need to know but not if they're on their chromebook all day

00:43:56.400 um go ahead

00:44:00.640 Oh, so I just, I don't know, my hope is that it works itself out, at least that there's more room for, like, actual political difference and less identitarian issues as they grow up.

00:44:23.820 because like the truth is we live in what you know whether you like it or not whether you think you

00:44:28.700 know you know immigration should have been stopped in 1965 or 1925 or 1880 like we're all here and it

00:44:36.620 has to work um and the only way to make it work is to you know is to is to work together as a

00:44:45.260 as a political entity to to make it work right find value in each other um

00:44:53.820 I want to end with this.

00:44:55.000 Give advice to somebody that may be you

00:45:01.440 at your lowest moment, whatever that moment was

00:45:05.600 where you were like, I can't, whatever it was,

00:45:09.580 describe that and then what would you say to yourself

00:45:13.920 or somebody who's living in that moment right now?

00:45:19.420 What's my lowest moment?

00:45:23.820 I think there was a moment I was at a party and I was told that, you know, there were a couple of women who had gotten these TV jobs sort of purely by virtue of canceling this.

00:45:38.900 I'm not going to say names of canceling this, this other guy.

00:45:44.080 And it just made me and I had been banging my head against the wall to try to get a job for, you know, five or six years at that point.

00:45:51.540 and i was um i was just super upset um i think what i would tell myself is to pivot i would

00:46:02.500 tell myself to stop you know if you're banging your head against the wall that much if it makes

00:46:08.100 you that upset like find something that doesn't um you can still be upset about the sort of general

00:46:17.220 socio-political environment but stopping your there's no there's no reason stopping your head

00:46:22.740 against the wall because and find uh some other path that lets you uh either be creative or

00:46:31.940 financially successful um think outside the box of what you um you know think your your uh your path

00:46:42.980 should should be so i guess i guess that would be my advice great advice jacob thank you very much

00:46:52.680 appreciate it all right thanks so much for having me appreciate it you bet you too you bet thank you

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 28, 2026

Ep 284 ｜ White Males Need Not Apply ｜ Jacob Savage ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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