The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 285 ｜ The Gospel According to a Lunatic Farmer ｜ Joel Salatin ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:00:58.920 now let's get to work bernie sanders who walks around the country gotta stop the oligarchy

00:01:03.960 gotta stop the oligarchy that's right he's right the four horsemen of the apocalypse weather price

00:01:10.680 pestilence and disease exactly right that's what every farmer sits on the back of his pickup truck

00:01:15.640 and complains about yeah yeah i am a lunatic of course i am i always thought people who 0.88

00:01:20.520 were talking about you know our food is poison blah blah i just thought they were crazy

00:01:24.040 And in the last 10 or 15 years, I don't think that. 0.94

00:01:32.340 Okay, so, Joel, you call yourself, I want to get this right, Christian, libertarian, environmentalist, capitalist, lunatic farmer.

00:01:42.920 Can you break that down one word at a time?

00:01:44.660 Because some of those words don't seem to go together.

00:01:47.100 That's right.

00:01:47.660 And that's on purpose because the whole idea is don't put me in a box.

00:01:51.560 and so um so the christian is fairly straightforward but my problem with the christian

00:01:57.500 folks my christian friends uh is that in general if you uh if the church is having a potluck

00:02:03.880 and you say you know let's uh let's not use styrofoam why don't we go to the salvation

00:02:09.200 army get a bunch of mismatched uh plates and we'll wash dishes when it's over and there won't 0.69

00:02:14.200 be any trash to take out in the average church what are you some sort of greeny weeny commie 0.96

00:02:19.860 pinko earth muffin you know and so uh so the the in general the faith community is identified with 0.99

00:02:27.080 dominance exploitation conquistador you know look what the spaniards did in the name of god and the 1.00

00:02:32.880 queen um and so so each of these has a plus and a minus for me which is why i've jumbled them

00:02:39.660 together so christian libertarian politically i'm i'm quite libertarian i think the government

00:02:45.780 should be about 10 percent of its size and that big huh maybe smaller we can debate that

00:02:53.660 maybe smaller but but anyway that essentially um one of the reasons that things have become

00:03:00.620 so acrimonious and partisan in our country is because we have um we have elevated yeah to the

00:03:08.140 federal level the 50 state experiment and so we have a k street because everything's for sale

00:03:15.120 so my problem with the libertarians i'm not an anarchist i'm not um i'm very much a a right to

00:03:25.340 lifer you know i think protecting the unborn is a big deal and um uh but but in general you know

00:03:32.600 i'm a very libertarian oriented i would legalize all drugs all of them a government that can tell

00:03:38.000 you you can't take cocaine can also tell you you can't drink raw milk so you know i say when the

00:03:42.540 government gets between my lips and my throat that's an invasion of privacy um so christian

00:03:47.920 libertarian environmentalist um i am a uh a rabid um non-chemical farmer we we compost we don't use

00:03:56.880 chemicals vaccines gmos all of those things and i do think that it matters that there's a

00:04:02.400 a dead zone the size of rhode island in the gulf of mexico and we had and we have infertile frogs

00:04:08.500 and three-legged salamanders and um and i think i think actually the health of earthworms

00:04:16.500 is probably more important than the health of wall street as a society i don't think i've heard the

00:04:23.080 health of the earthworm thing before are they sick no well uh chemicals kill them yeah okay and and

00:04:31.280 of course you know tillage kills them a lot too um but yeah it's just a way to express you know

00:04:37.400 When's the last time you went in with a business plan and a banker says, yeah, this is a great business plan.

00:04:42.620 But what's it going to do to the earthworms in our community?

00:04:44.800 And let's agree that that unseen world that is, you know, 10 billion individuals per double handful of healthy soil, that that unseen, invisible community is not as important culturally as, you know, as Wall Street.

00:05:04.620 And I'm not an enemy of Wall Street.

00:05:06.520 Just just these are these are also here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's so crazy. Environmentalists, you follow that with capitalists. Yeah. Yeah. Capitalists. So, yeah, I am. I do believe that that businesses should be profitable and that and that we do need capital to invest, to develop, to to do new things.

00:05:27.840 But I'm not an amoral capitalist. I think I think amoral capitalism is probably no better or worse than any other amoral economic system from, you know, socialism to whatever.

00:05:40.920 And. And so that's just my my appreciation of, yeah, I do believe that business is important and and and the best thing to do for the environment is not to abandon it.

00:05:55.120 you know we have this environmentalism by abandonment and um let's agree that you know

00:06:00.960 a lot of what we've done environmentally has not been good yeah but the answer to that is not

00:06:05.740 abandonment and okay humans can't come here it's to repent in sackcloth and ashes first 0.92

00:06:11.860 and then dust yourself off and take your take your mechanical ability and your intellectual ability 0.95

00:06:17.380 and let's now redeem and remediate everything we've hurt um and then finally the the lunatic

00:06:24.300 part came after a particularly acrimonious phone call with a guy. And, you know, he called me a

00:06:34.680 bioterrorist and a typhoid Mary and a starvation advocate, you know, because we all know compost 0.92

00:06:41.820 can't compete with chemicals, you know. And this was not the first time. It's happened numerous

00:06:47.620 times. And I got off the phone. Teresa was standing there, my wife. And I said, you know,

00:06:51.900 I can either be frustrated about this and depressed, you know, Rodney Dangerfield.

00:06:56.660 Oh, nobody loves me. Everybody hates me. Or I can play with let's have fun with it.

00:07:01.620 Yeah. Yeah, I am a lunatic. Of course I am. We don't vaccinate our cows. 0.98

00:07:05.540 We you know, we don't use chemical fertilizers.

00:07:08.340 You know, so when Vladimir Putin invades Ukraine, a fertilizer jumps 400 percent doesn't make you doesn't affect me at all. 0.97

00:07:14.780 Yeah, I'm a lunatic. And and it's been exciting. 0.84

00:07:18.260 I'm if you Google lunatic farmer, I'm the only one on the planet, you know, you know, I beg to differ.

00:07:28.400 It's cool to create a handle that's truly unique, you know, in the world.

00:07:32.500 I mean, people live and die to try to create that.

00:07:34.880 So Christian, libertarian, environmentalist, capitalist, lunatic farmer has kind of become my my my handle.

00:07:42.560 So that when I walk in a room, I developed this over years because as a, quote unquote, organic farmer, legally, I can't use the term because I'm not certified by the government.

00:07:52.880 But, you know, I was speaking a lot of conferences around the world and I'd be introduced as this organic farmer, environmental farmer, whatever.

00:08:01.100 And it was always assumed, oh, well, he must be for the teachers union agenda, abortion, higher taxes, government, you know, Bernie Sanders, whatever.

00:08:09.740 and um and i just got really tired of it and so i created literally created this moniker for my bio

00:08:16.160 so that when i walk in a room a people wouldn't put me in a box and b i could with a smile

00:08:24.760 um diplomatically take that tension that awkwardness and just dispel it and it's been

00:08:33.340 very very effective that's good um so let's talk about you know i uh i have a ranch um and when i

00:08:39.800 when i say i'm a farmer somebody suggested i say i'm a gentleman farmer and i'm like i'm neither

00:08:45.240 a gentleman nor a farmer so uh i don't know exactly i own a ranch and i own a farm sure

00:08:52.440 and uh what i have found is that farmers real farmers that have been doing it for

00:08:58.540 long time um they're the biggest environmentalists out there the people who are going and hunting

00:09:05.740 uh you know animals for food they are the biggest environmentalists out there because they they know

00:09:12.040 how delicate this is right and you can be the best farmer in the world but if you don't have

00:09:17.880 a connection if you're not all you can do is pray and do everything right and my crops will fail

00:09:25.080 because i didn't get the rain i got too much rain whatever it is well the four horsemen of the

00:09:29.680 apocalypse weather price pestilence and disease exactly right it's what every farmer sits on the

00:09:34.460 back of his pickup truck and and complains about right so what what happened to us how did we get

00:09:40.640 to this place to where we are just i never thought this you know i always thought um

00:09:49.460 i always thought people who were talking about you know our food is poison blah blah i just

00:09:55.060 just thought they were crazy. And in the last 10 or 15 years, I don't think that anymore. I think

00:10:01.260 it is the source of almost all of our problems. Yes. Yes. Well, I mean, the Maha movement is real. 0.98

00:10:06.680 It is. And when I was at the Maha inaugural ball in D.C., a wealthy friend invited Therese and I

00:10:14.040 to go, probably our only chance to go to an inaugural ball. So we went. And it was an epiphany

00:10:19.980 for me the moment that um del big tree stood up and asked there were 500 of us there uh there were

00:10:28.400 there were uh 50 tables of 10 so i know it was 500 people and um and he asked how many of you

00:10:35.320 um have vaccine um injured children and um i couldn't count the hands but just being there

00:10:47.620 and seeing it probably 150 hands of the 500 people there went up and you could feel I get

00:10:53.960 teary and chill bumps even speaking about it because you could feel the tension here were

00:10:59.540 people who for 5 10 15 20 years had a child with all the hopes and dreams that come with a child

00:11:07.060 you know you think when are they going to walk when are they going to talk when are they going

00:11:10.380 to go to the first day of school have their first romance their first job you know what college they

00:11:15.580 You have all these dreams and hopes, and suddenly there's no dreams and hopes.

00:11:23.080 They're gone.

00:11:24.640 And these people are ridiculed.

00:11:28.660 Oh, it's all in your head.

00:11:30.200 There's nothing here.

00:11:30.980 And suddenly they had a champion, RFK Jr.

00:11:36.400 I don't agree with everything that he says or does.

00:11:39.000 Honestly, and I mean this sincerely.

00:11:40.900 I don't mean this as a slam.

00:11:41.820 I'm not sure he does.

00:11:43.100 Yeah.

00:11:43.220 I think he's discovering.

00:11:45.820 I do, too.

00:11:46.680 I think he's literally unpeeling the onion daily, kind of like the Twitter files were.

00:11:53.740 It was, well, a little and then, whoa, this is deeper.

00:11:58.980 And so I think that where we've gotten is the result of a philosophy that life is fundamentally mechanical.

00:12:11.400 And this started in 1837 with the Austrian biochemist Justice von Liebig, who with these vacuum tubes, he was trying, what is plant?

00:12:21.800 What is that?

00:12:22.280 What are we made of?

00:12:25.100 And he deduced that we were made of nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus.

00:12:30.060 Up until then, life had always had some mystery.

00:12:33.960 Now, whether it was Judeo-Christian, you know, Irish folklore, pagan, whatever, there was

00:12:40.580 always this kind of divine, spiritual, yes, yes.

00:12:45.700 Suddenly, he reduced it to all of life is simply a rearrangement, a rearrangement in

00:12:55.360 ratio of nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus.

00:12:59.420 That was earth shattering.

00:13:00.780 And it went around the world along with, you know, at the same time, 1837 is when the Beagle sailed and we suddenly heard the Beagle.

00:13:15.840 Yeah. Charles Darwin. Oh, OK. Charles Darwin, the Beagle. OK.

00:13:19.280 And he went on his his down to the Galapagos Islands and formulated the theory of evolution.

00:13:25.220 Right. That this really isn't a God made thing. It just all kind of happened.

00:13:29.720 And so I think it's fascinating that 1837 is the year that we were told we're all just NPK.

00:13:36.720 God didn't have anything to do with it.

00:13:38.440 And Cyrus McCormick invented the Reaper, which is the official beginning of the Industrial Revolution, 1837, which threw out the scythe.

00:13:47.500 So before then, the only way to cut grass or grain or whatever it was, a scythe.

00:13:53.740 And the Reaper mechanized that.

00:13:56.000 That's the official beginning of it.

00:13:57.180 And all that happened in 1837, all at the same time.

00:14:02.280 And so since then, our Western, our Greco-Roman Western reductionist disconnected, you know,

00:14:09.940 fragmented linear reductionist kind of society took that and went farther and farther with

00:14:20.240 it and our technology enabled us to do things.

00:14:24.880 And then cheap energy came.

00:14:26.240 the petroleum uh came so we didn't have to worry we didn't have to rely on draft power anymore

00:14:32.220 you know horses and mules and all that oxen and um and it liberated us from the alleged

00:14:40.220 constraints of biology of life and and we were able to take this mechanistic view toward life

00:14:48.060 to its extreme point to where now well you're just some dna we can take a little bit of salmon

00:14:55.020 and a tomato and a little bit of a poison ivy plant and we can we can make something new you

00:15:00.780 know genesis starts everything will be made to bear seed after its kind there is an order

00:15:08.460 and when you start and there are a lot of boundaries in life to make sure that things

00:15:16.640 Don't jump the traces. Yeah. You know, look, if you see if if the sexual organs don't match up, that's like a that's like a it's a boundary.

00:15:29.420 It's a boundary got established, you know, and and so we have been able now to override that and and create life forms that didn't occur because we take a very mechanistic view.

00:15:45.940 But as you know, life is not – there are mechanics.

00:15:50.620 I mean, you know, there's physics.

00:15:52.140 But, you know, you can go out and love on your Maserati all day and it's still a hunk of steel.

00:16:01.220 But if you go out and love on your milk cow or even your tomato plant for that matter, we know that there is communicative capacity.

00:16:11.460 There is response, dynamism.

00:16:13.340 I mean, there's plenty of, you know, plants respond to classical music.

00:16:18.420 They don't like punk rock.

00:16:21.200 You know, I mean.

00:16:21.980 Have you seen the thing, I think it's from Japan, the scientist that did a study where he said nice things to water and horrible things? 0.95

00:16:31.480 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:16:33.600 I mean, it's insane.

00:16:35.120 It is.

00:16:35.620 It blows your mind.

00:16:37.200 It blows your mind.

00:16:38.080 And the problem with that is going too far down that to where you start viewing life as a God rather than life as an expression of God's fearfully and wonderfully matedness.

00:16:57.500 So for me, physical creation is an object lesson of spiritual truth.

00:17:04.320 So when people come to my farm, I want them to drive out the lane saying, oh, oh, that's what mercy looks like.

00:17:12.540 Oh, that's what provision looks like.

00:17:15.140 Oh, that's what redemption looks like.

00:17:19.620 It's not just an assortment of protoplasmic structure to be manipulated however cleverly the human mind can imagine to manipulate it.

00:17:31.120 Nobody in land-grant universities today is asking, how do we grow happy pigs?

00:17:37.940 The question is, how do we grow them faster, fatter, bigger, cheaper?

00:17:41.480 And so if our procedure makes stress on pigs, well, I mean, right now there's research,

00:17:46.440 how do we find the stress DNA, the porcine stress DNA, to extract it so that we can abuse pigs more,

00:17:54.120 but they won't be stressed about it?

00:17:55.320 You know, you know, a society that views life from that kind of dominant, manipulative 0.95

00:18:03.100 standpoint, who doesn't ask what's the essence of pig and how to make a happy pig, will soon

00:18:12.180 not ask how to make a happy citizen or how to have a Tom and a Mary that fully express

00:18:17.440 their physiological and phenotypical distinctiveness.

00:18:21.080 to talk about the the pig again because you wrote an article it's amazing what was it called um

00:18:27.820 the case for again they got it here someplace but you wrote this great article about where

00:18:33.880 you talked about um how you know if we don't pay attention um to our animals um gosh i don't know 0.71

00:18:44.500 where it is but but you talk to the glory of a pig the glory of a pig glory of a pig 0.86

00:18:49.320 uh and the way you worded just just the the headline there the glory of the pig 0.97

00:18:54.480 tells a lot so yeah so so um yeah interest you know we we have um i mean you're you're a you're

00:19:01.820 a spiritual person i know uh so we have what we call a kind of a church speak you know words that

00:19:07.880 we use in the faith community that you don't use you don't hear the word um glory on the street

00:19:14.800 much no you don't know that's reserved for you know the cathedral and the church but the bible

00:19:21.160 isn't isn't um isn't like that it talks about the glory of old men the glory of young men the glory

00:19:28.000 of nations the glory of things terrestrial the glory of things celestial the glory of nations

00:19:32.120 the glory of kings the glory of trees i mean it it it uses the word glory in a in a very visceral

00:19:39.440 way it doesn't just spiritualize it into some sort of a of a bible study focus group

00:19:46.480 and so so this is this is consistent with my idea of that that physical creation is an object

00:19:53.500 lesson of spiritual truth so God's saying how do I how do I get them to understand to honor my

00:19:59.780 glory well glory is the distinctiveness of something it's it's the it's the essence of

00:20:06.460 something um and so so the glory of god is you know holiness um you know mercy forgiveness um

00:20:15.480 omnipresence omniscience right those great big uh doctrines um but how do we get somebody to 0.98

00:20:22.180 honor that well so we honor the glory of the pig what does glory of the pig well he has a snout

00:20:27.220 so we let him dig he's got he's got um you know a short tail um he eats a certain way he wants to

00:20:36.180 live in a certain way uh and so you know imagine um having sunday dinner with your kids and little

00:20:44.240 amy says well mommy why are we eating this pork chop well we're eating these pork chops because 0.99

00:20:48.260 remember we went to farmer john's place and we saw the pigs out you know running and and rooting

00:20:52.940 and they were in the sunshine and they had fresh air and they had grass to eat and worms to dig up

00:20:57.860 in a feeder, and they were living in this wonderful place, exhibiting their uniqueness

00:21:06.260 and their distinctiveness, their glory.

00:21:09.700 Well, it's because of that that we're eating these pork chops and not those pork chops,

00:21:15.440 not the ones from someplace else that were raised in a way that doesn't honor.

00:21:20.460 Why is that important?

00:21:21.940 Why is that important?

00:21:22.920 Because if we want our kids to honor the glory of God and understand his distinctiveness and how do we honor his omniscience and divine attributes into our life, it starts with an object lesson.

00:21:41.320 And that object lesson inculcates into us then a discovery process.

00:21:47.900 What is about what's your glory?

00:21:49.260 How can I help you find your ultimate Glenn-ness, okay?

00:21:55.560 And then we look at God and say, God, how can I help you find your ultimate majesty?

00:22:02.340 Are you with me? 0.88

00:22:03.740 And so the problem is that we humans, you know, our big problem is we're hypocrites, aren't we?

00:22:09.720 You know, we're not consistent in our philosophy, in our practice.

00:22:13.680 and we you know we so we we have this line of thinking over here and then we get into the job

00:22:20.700 or we we get into the other situations and we kind of you know we change our our thinking and

00:22:29.100 um and and i think i think my call is to bring us back to a consistent um you know a a a consistent

00:22:38.620 thought and i'm not consistent either okay you know i got i can tell you my hypocrisies okay

00:22:43.400 But we strive, don't we?

00:22:45.540 We strive.

00:22:46.060 We wrestle for it.

00:22:47.240 We wrestle to it.

00:22:49.240 And that's a good thing.

00:22:51.940 Yeah, that's why I like the beginning of the Constitution, in order to form a more perfect nation.

00:22:58.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:59.020 Perfect never will be.

00:22:59.980 No, no.

00:23:00.620 But we want to strive for that.

00:23:02.060 Strive for it.

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00:23:32.740 I have I've heard, though, that if you allow the animal its glory to be the animal, live the way it's supposed to.

00:23:41.760 it's actually healthier in the end for us oh no no question so um so if you think about what's

00:23:48.980 distinctive about well for example let's take an herbivore a cow okay um cows have a totally

00:23:56.140 different digestive system than an omnivore a pig or a chicken chickens don't even have a stomach

00:24:00.980 they don't even pee what what chickens don't have a stomach they have they have they eat something

00:24:08.360 it goes into a crop a crawl okay and ferments in this wet bag and then it moves into the gizzard

00:24:16.760 which is a grinder it's a physical it's a muscle that just sits there and grinds and grinds that's

00:24:21.760 why they eat rocks and stones so they got grinders and it goes straight into the intestine the chicken

00:24:26.060 doesn't have a stomach and they don't and they don't pee that's why chicken manure is so hot 0.81

00:24:30.860 because the older chickens the older roosters don't have to get up six times at night which is

00:24:35.520 really nice they got it made should have been born a rooster yeah uh i don't know i don't know

00:24:41.820 how that all works in the chicken world but what i'm getting at yeah um the the same diet habitat

00:24:50.080 environment for a chicken would not be the same you'd have for a pig or a cow or whatever that

00:24:55.980 that's that's the idea and so um so when we so when we raise these animals we're in livestock

00:25:05.440 We're in pastured livestock farming.

00:25:09.260 And so when we raise these animals, our first question is, well, how can what what is unique and and distinctive about this critter?

00:25:18.960 How can we create a habitat that allows it to express its, you know, its distinctiveness, its uniqueness?

00:25:25.620 And so, for example, cows, we don't feed cows any grain.

00:25:28.820 um the herbivore uh in nature yes it picks some seeds off you know seeded out grasses or whatever

00:25:36.180 but it doesn't eat grain as a as a large percentage of its of its diet at all and so we

00:25:42.560 grass finish so we're in we're in the grass finished uh business and what's interesting is

00:25:48.220 um the the bionutrient food association is has just completed basically two years of study

00:25:56.340 where they're looking at what is the single most common denominator

00:26:01.360 that determines the nutrient density of beef.

00:26:06.860 They started with carrots, then they did broccoli, and now they're doing beef.

00:26:12.180 And more important than climate, weather, breed, you know, rancher, farmer,

00:26:19.660 any of those things, the number one determinant is how many different plants

00:26:25.040 did the cow eat its variety its diversity of sward we now know on the american plains when

00:26:33.160 the bison were there before the europeans came there were roughly 60 species of grass

00:26:38.760 and some over a thousand species of forbs which we would call weeds but they were edible edible

00:26:46.040 you know flowers i mean from right from plantain to chicory or whatever and so that variety was a

00:26:53.500 was a huge distinctive and so on our farm we're doing everything we can to facilitate

00:27:00.960 more diversity and variety within the sward uh to create this this um this diverse ingestion

00:27:09.400 um you know we could go on with the pigs and the chickens the chickens you know we move them every

00:27:13.700 day to a fresh spot the pigs you know they get uh they run through um you know paddocks of grass

00:27:19.880 and forest and acorns and stuff along with feed as well but what's interesting is over the years

00:27:25.860 we've been in this now for half a century on on our farm and um we've serviced a lot of very very

00:27:33.420 um upscale restaurants oh man we don't sell to mcdonald's

00:27:38.100 so i wouldn't assume you did you you provide meat

00:27:42.980 Yeah. We service a lot of these upscale restaurants. And what we've learned from them is that over time is that all of our stuff cooks 15 percent faster than regular supermarket stuff.

00:28:00.080 Well, why is that? Well, because in a concentrated animal feeding operation, you know, a big confinement chicken house or a piggery or a beef feedlot, whatever, the social and dietary aspects of that are stressful on the animal.

00:28:20.540 You know, there aren't supposed to be 20,000 chickens in one house breathing fecal particulate all day, blocked out from fresh air and sunshine.

00:28:28.080 That's not the way a chicken is supposed to be raised.

00:28:30.860 And so in that stress, what happens when you're under stress?

00:28:34.940 You tighten up, don't you?

00:28:36.400 You get, I mean, that's how a hundred pound mom can pick up a car off her toddler, you 1.00

00:28:40.680 know, if it falls.

00:28:41.700 But after that, you know, she's shaking and all tense.

00:28:44.800 So, so you, you tend to stress, you secrete adrenaline, cortisols, and they, you know,

00:28:50.420 they tighten you up.

00:28:51.620 Whereas when you're relaxed and happy, you know, you're, you relax.

00:28:56.300 And so we've determined that the reason everything we do cooks 15 percent faster is because our animals come happy.

00:29:07.360 They don't come stressed with adrenaline.

00:29:10.580 They come happy.

00:29:12.820 And so the question then obviously becomes, can we eat happiness?

00:29:19.140 And I suggest, yes, we can eat happiness.

00:29:22.440 I don't want to go down there too far.

00:29:25.060 I'll be really branded a kook. 0.72

00:29:27.280 But I do think, realize, our microbiome of billions and billions of microbes,

00:29:35.040 they are very close cousins to everything that's outside of us.

00:29:39.660 And our mouth is a gateway.

00:29:41.720 And everything, our gut, our microbiome, everything it knows about the world,

00:29:49.100 it knows by what comes through our mouth you know here it comes in you know is it

00:29:56.060 monosodium glutamate is it high fructose corn syrup oh no this is grass-finished beef you know

00:30:01.120 i mean i yeah yeah yeah you can play with it but you can imagine the drama okay and i i just can

00:30:07.580 imagine you know uh my my you know your microbiome when something uh really you know good comes in

00:30:13.300 oh hi cousin you know it's been good because really when you when you profile the human gut

00:30:18.920 And healthy soil, they're almost indistinguishable, you know, as like a cutaway, all right?

00:30:27.900 And so if what we're ingesting is grown under stress with adrenaline drips, then our microbiome

00:30:38.180 is going to assume, wow, that's a vicious, bad world out there, as opposed to bringing

00:30:46.220 in loved beef, loved tomatoes, loved things.

00:30:51.540 And, you know, when we look at produce, basically the benchmark of cultivar selection for the

00:30:59.160 last 70 to 80 years, certainly the last 50, has been shippability and spoilability.

00:31:07.980 You know, can a, you know, will this tomato, you know, sit in the back of a truck and bounce

00:31:13.260 for a thousand miles across the country to the supermarket without turning to jello yeah you know

00:31:17.860 uh and when you do that you essentially cardboard eyes vegetables you got to give them more structure

00:31:25.440 and and and less juice and less nutrients and so one of the reasons kids don't like vegetables is

00:31:31.180 because they're all like cardboard because they've been selected for non-spoilability and and and uh

00:31:36.920 and shipability and when something when something doesn't um doesn't rot as fast or structurally

00:31:44.180 break down as fast then it won't digest as fast in our basically our guts are a really

00:31:50.360 are a compost pile on steroids you know and so you take you take squeezable cheese put it on the 0.98

00:31:56.980 table well you can walk away and it can just sit there for a year but if you put real cheese on

00:32:01.500 the table in three days it gets fuzzy and in a week it sprouts legs and walks off the table

00:32:05.980 I mean, that's the difference between living food and inanimate protoplasmic structure.

00:32:15.360 We have, that's why, in theory, I've not done it because I just don't drink milk and my kids are out of the house.

00:32:23.800 But, you know, having milk right from the cow makes all the sense in the world.

00:32:32.020 I mean, we don't need to pasteurize anymore.

00:32:34.080 Those are for the days when cleanliness was not possible, at scale at least.

00:32:40.840 We don't need to do that.

00:32:42.160 And yet we're burning everything out.

00:32:43.980 They just turned the food pyramid, turned it upside down.

00:32:48.400 It's unbelievable.

00:32:51.720 The government has just admitted everything we told you is 180 degrees in the wrong direction.

00:32:58.480 Suddenly eggs are better than Cheerios.

00:33:03.080 Imagine that.

00:33:04.080 Right. Who would have thought that? So, yeah, I'm telling you, you know, I've been in this space all my life.

00:33:09.440 And the changes we've seen in the last year. I never I never thought I'd ever see in my lifetime.

00:33:17.440 I mean, I mean, you know, the the just the recognition that we've gotten everything upside down and and it's it's frankly quite exciting.

00:33:29.800 It really is. It really is exciting. It's really exciting. It's a scary time to be alive in some

00:33:34.800 ways, but it's a really exciting time to be alive. It is. I mean, think of what RFK Jr.

00:33:39.160 has brought to the American public. I mean, I felt like I was fairly informed, but I didn't know

00:33:44.380 that $12 billion of SNAP benefits went to Coca-Cola. I didn't know that eight months ago,

00:33:52.420 nine months ago. I didn't know. I knew there were a lot of food additives,

00:33:56.900 but i didn't know that america that the fda allowed 10 000 and the eu only allows 400

00:34:04.420 i mean that that's incredible and so and so the man for all of his you know flaws and

00:34:12.240 imperfections has just peeled off this truth and and um and i can tell you having i mean we you

00:34:21.800 know we ship we ship nationwide from our farm as well and uh all my life i've gotten up every

00:34:28.320 morning and okay who who can i sell to today who can i who can i take a sample to you know

00:34:32.440 marketing marketing marketing and how do we and in the last 24 months suddenly you don't need to do

00:34:39.180 that no no it's it's just yanking us it's hard to keep up and and it's the same you know for my

00:34:45.500 friends in in this space i'm seeing essentially the same thing and it's it's very very exciting

00:34:50.620 Because the logistics of distribution have plummeted, you know, FedEx, UPS, doorstep delivery, that cost has plummeted and the cost of bricks and mortar retail interface has escalated.

00:35:10.200 the cost of a cashier the the the the cost of insurance to make sure the snow is swept off of

00:35:18.120 the you know walk out front so nobody breaks and sues you so as the one cost has soared the other

00:35:24.520 cost has dropped and so we can you're ready for this from our farm if you told me this two years

00:35:29.840 ago i said you were crazy from our farm right now in the you know at the end of a little pothole

00:35:34.660 dirt road in rural virginia we can ship four dozen eggs to any city in america cheaper than

00:35:42.220 they can get them at farmer's market you gotta be kidding me because cities are expensive places to

00:35:48.920 do business defund the police crime uh high taxes high regulation i mean they're all blue

00:35:57.080 right and i mean you look at the map of the u.s you know it's red but you know you've got these

00:36:03.080 they're all urban centers and those are expensive to do business in and so here we are kind of an

00:36:09.960 inversion of the old it's almost i feel almost like a voluntary colonialist

00:36:15.200 you know here we are in a in a low tax low regulation um you know basically conservative

00:36:25.040 little pocket you know leave us alone and if we can get stuff on a ups truck

00:36:31.280 literally the food system can completely circumvent the supermarket system

00:36:36.140 and that's the first time that's been possible

00:36:39.700 at at cost and at scale make you nervous at all what we learned at covid though

00:36:47.340 oh oh my goodness yeah yeah i mean uh while i you know and i for the record i didn't take the jab

00:36:56.160 um good yeah yeah um but but that that you know i would i would like to think

00:37:07.580 that if that rears its ugly head again you know the world economic forum and what i don't want

00:37:13.880 to get all conspiratorial there's a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact that's a conspiracy

00:37:20.420 fact what's the difference in the two is uh six months is that right yeah it's exactly right

00:37:25.200 it's exactly right so uh uh so that that really um was an emperor has no clothes moment i think

00:37:35.280 in our culture and and the distrust now that that i it's ubiquitous in the cult the distrust of

00:37:42.760 government institutions the distrust of of the big the big food what i call the the chemical

00:37:49.200 industrial food complex the distrust of the colleges the elitists you know the the mainstream

00:37:56.340 narrative if you will um is just glorious it really is glorious yeah if it doesn't if we can

00:38:06.040 fix it and not just burn it down to the ground right right you know that's the scary part because

00:38:10.440 there's some you know there's some good things that that we we need we just need to re we just

00:38:15.840 need to rethink this and you know people are you know these companies are making billions and

00:38:20.760 billions and billions of dollars and nobody's interested in retooling unless they absolutely

00:38:25.320 have to and yeah um and they you know they they'd much rather throw money at it and can you protect

00:38:31.720 us make this go away look at look at trump right now and and you know and i'm i'm for the record

00:38:36.900 i'm happier trump's in there than kamala okay i mean just but i mean here he is throwing 12

00:38:42.520 billion dollars again at the soybean farmers to you know two years ago they got another 12

00:38:46.720 billion dollar bail out and the soybean we don't we don't use soy half of the soybeans produced in

00:38:53.820 the u.s are exported half of them the world is the world is awash in soybeans we don't need that

00:38:59.960 many soybeans and almost half of the corn we grow in the u.s goes into ethanol just so so so so here

00:39:06.920 we are subsidizing these six things well crop insurance it's changed crop insurance now it

00:39:12.680 sounds a little better than subsidy but um but here we are um you know subsidizing uh you know

00:39:20.980 rice sugar cane wheat corn soybeans um that that we have an overabundance of meanwhile

00:39:30.580 we're way short on beef you know beef prices have i mean if you followed that you know

00:39:36.260 the beef herd is is lower than it's been since 1950 wow who would have seen this coming we're

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00:41:08.220 So let's talk about beef for a second.

00:41:11.920 Okay.

00:41:13.740 I raise about 100 head of cattle.

00:41:17.220 And, you know, it's all organic, you know, grass-fed.

00:41:21.920 We just bring them out to the pastures, let them eat.

00:41:24.620 um and i've learned a lot by raising beef i think what we went wrong isn't as a nation is when we

00:41:35.780 stop putting our hands in the dirt you know so many things just answer themselves you know you're

00:41:42.420 better people you're you rely on your neighbor all of this stuff but then when you get to the

00:41:47.720 place to where you're auctioning off your beef i believe that the um the big production uh houses

00:42:01.040 the the yeah the big packers the big yeah the big packers the big four yeah um they seem more like

00:42:08.980 the big one and they are they've been screwing our farmers and our beef uh farmers for a very

00:42:17.380 long time i i brought it up to the president before i've brought it up to rfk somebody's got

00:42:23.160 to break that up because we are we have such a shortage of beef and i'd like you to talk about

00:42:30.280 that for a second but at the same time beef farmers are barely making it yes beef is at an

00:42:36.100 all-time high but they're not getting paid for it yeah yeah well and when trump came on there

00:42:41.480 two months ago berating farmers for their high high you know prices feeder cattle you know four

00:42:47.440 bucks a pound there uh it really angered a lot of farmers because nobody's nobody's helped beef

00:42:52.940 farmers when the price has been under you know yeah under profit so um so it's still close it's

00:43:01.120 not but it's no beef farmers are not they're just every year they just squeak by yeah yeah yeah so

00:43:07.640 so um you've just opened up the door for my um my uh crusade is a bad word but it's as good a word

00:43:18.360 as i know right now i'll put my helmet on let's go for my thing and that is so so bernie sanders

00:43:24.760 who walks around the country gotta stop the oligarchy gotta stop the oligarchy right he's

00:43:31.180 right okay the problem is that the liberal class their only solution to the oligarchy is

00:43:38.980 a bigger government bully you know antitrust whatever to come in and break them up the problem

00:43:46.500 is the oligarchy is in bed with the government yes they become one exactly in 1906 when teddy

00:43:52.920 i call him roosevelt yeah good for you i like that when teddy rooseveltsky got at that time

00:44:01.140 in 1906 after upton sinclair wrote the jungle within six months those seven companies the

00:44:09.200 seven packers swift armor that controlled fit at that time seven companies controlled

00:44:14.420 50 percent of America's meat supply in 1906. They lost 50 percent of their sales in six months

00:44:23.900 after that book was published. That's the power of an informed citizenry. People will make good

00:44:30.500 decisions if they get the truth. But if they don't get the truth, they can't make it. They

00:44:35.840 can't make a decision. And so so the seven big companies came to Teddy Roosevelt. They said,

00:44:40.460 please help us. We we've got to get credibility with the American consumer again, set up a

00:44:44.420 an agency to put a stamp on our products so that the american public will will say okay this is

00:44:50.660 okay and he should have said you made your bed now go lie in it and if he had um independent

00:44:58.280 certifiers would have you know um triple a for beef or whatever okay it would but no he gave

00:45:04.900 them the food safety inspection service in 1908 and um and since the inception of the food safety

00:45:13.220 Inspection Service, FSIS, there's been a steady march of additional regulatory structure within

00:45:22.580 the food and especially the meat industry that has added, added, added scale prejudicial

00:45:32.060 regulations that make it easy for big guys to succeed and hard for little guys to succeed.

00:45:37.980 So we have lost the neighborhood abattoir. We have lost this entire infrastructure of our of our country.

00:45:46.440 I mean, does anybody think that the supermarket shelves in 2020, in April 2020, would we have been, would we have had as big a, you know, hiccup in our, especially meat supply, had the country been nourished by 300,000 neighborhood abattoirs as opposed to 300 megaprocessing facilities around the country?

00:46:13.420 it's a rhetorical question there's an easy answer um you know when you're when you're in um uh

00:46:19.640 rocky waters you want to be in a speedboat a little speedboat you can turn around not an

00:46:24.340 aircraft carrier that takes 12 miles to turn around in you know the the business book it's not

00:46:28.540 it's not the big that eats the small it's the it's the fast that eat the slow and when you're

00:46:33.260 a bureaucratic a large bureaucratic institution movement is very very difficult when you're small

00:46:38.600 like we are you're in a little speedboat hey you know we can adjust and the little slaughterhouse

00:46:43.140 that we co-own you know we got 25 employees um you know we didn't miss a lick we didn't miss a

00:46:49.540 day of work we didn't miss anything and in fact on our farm we sold six months worth of inventory

00:46:54.420 in six weeks in the spring of 2020 it was the best economic thing that ever happened to us even

00:46:59.720 though we lost almost a million dollars of restaurant sales because they all closed

00:47:03.880 but we picked it up on on the retail end so what do we do about this oligarchy about the fact that 0.82

00:47:12.620 Now, 120 years after FSIS was started, we now don't have seven companies controlling 50 percent.

00:47:21.720 We have four companies control 85 percent.

00:47:26.220 This is not a free market.

00:47:28.140 Not at all.

00:47:29.120 It has been an intervented, meddled federal program from the beginning.

00:47:37.540 So here's my solution.

00:47:38.780 instead of a bailout, instead of a federal trade commission, instead of Smoot Hartley,

00:47:45.800 I mean, whatever. Okay. Instead of any of that, let's try freedom. Let's try liberty. We need a,

00:47:52.720 you are a lunatic. Yeah. We need a food emancipation proclamation. Yeah. And I am not 1.00

00:48:00.280 abashed to say I am, I am using every bit of whatever, um, political equity I have to get

00:48:08.280 a 30-minute audience with Trump to pitch him a food emancipation proclamation.

00:48:14.280 We need to take the shackles off of a farmer so that the farmer can sell to his neighbor. 0.98

00:48:20.980 Right now, if you came to my farm and said, man, you make a great chicken pot pie.

00:48:27.240 I've got guests coming next week.

00:48:28.700 Could you make me five?

00:48:29.600 I'll buy them so I can sit my guests.

00:48:31.240 I'm busy.

00:48:32.460 Illegal.

00:48:33.860 You got two Guernsey cows.

00:48:35.660 Oh, man, I'd love some raw milk.

00:48:37.260 Could you sell?

00:48:37.700 Nope.

00:48:38.020 Can't sell it to you.

00:48:39.840 What's happened since 1906 is convenience food.

00:48:45.040 Back then, people cooked in their kitchens.

00:48:47.700 You didn't have TV dinners.

00:48:50.280 You didn't have squeezable cheese.

00:48:52.900 And you certainly didn't have Lunchables and Hot Pockets, okay?

00:48:56.260 So today, 75%, and this is, again, uncovered by RFK Jr., 75% of America's food is convenience food.

00:49:07.920 we we watch cooking shows but we don't cook you know never has a culture been so techno

00:49:16.480 sophisticated gadgetized in our culinary kitchens but not used it and so so 75 percent of our and

00:49:26.720 this is this has literally been an epiphany for me in in literally in the last 12 months

00:49:31.320 i have preached all my life to i do a lot of urban stuff i you know um urban foodie you know

00:49:37.580 presentations and and stuff and what can i do i always say get in your kitchen the best thing

00:49:43.020 you can do is get in your kitchen get real food you know get get a butternut squash peel it and

00:49:48.920 fix it cook it you know um and and i've realized i've become a don quixote on that that that horse

00:49:57.020 left the stable americans are i hope we will eventually but right now the answer is not get

00:50:06.100 in your kitchen because we are so far removed from our kitchens now that that when i say get

00:50:12.340 in your kitchen it's um it's offensive to the average person they don't even know how to boil

00:50:18.640 an egg i know and and and so um so instead of being offensive what we need to do is say okay

00:50:25.800 you're getting convenience food we need you to be able to get good convenience food a chicken pot

00:50:34.160 pie does not have to have msg and glycerin in it or red dye 29 or whatever it is they put in okay

00:50:39.660 a good chicken pot pie can be made in your kitchen with nothing like that and frozen

00:50:46.420 and it's wonderful and i love chicken pot pies or a quiche or shepherd's pie or any of these

00:50:51.620 convenience type foods can be made like this i speak glenn i speak at two thousands and

00:51:00.640 maybe hundreds of thousands because there are a lot of homestead festivals around the country

00:51:04.440 and these are big you know four five six seven thousand people and these are small holders

00:51:10.260 you know they might have five ten fifteen twenty acres they would love to make a living on their 0.77

00:51:16.380 farm okay so right now our farm supplies a local restaurant with chicken that they make a chicken

00:51:23.340 pot pie it's on the menu polyface pastured chicken pot pie it's their signature dish

00:51:27.740 comes in a wonderful little cast iron skillet you know oh it's just fabulous

00:51:31.960 they take a 20 chicken and turn into 405 dollars okay now if we take off 205 of that because it's

00:51:43.240 a restaurant and say i could do that and make because i'm not i don't have a waitress i don't

00:51:50.160 have you know all the overheads so i i can make 200 worth of pot pies out of that that's a tenfold

00:51:57.720 $20 chicken is $200, okay?

00:52:02.100 So we cover an acre with 600.

00:52:06.140 We move them every day, chickens across the pasture.

00:52:08.300 They're in little, you know, floorless shelters to protect them from predators.

00:52:12.380 Move them across the pasture every day.

00:52:14.620 And 600 birds cover one acre, you know, in the course of several weeks that they're out there.

00:52:20.120 These are meat chickens, not laying chickens.

00:52:22.320 And so if you had two acres and you could raise 1,200 of these and you could sell chicken pot pie to your neighbors as a convenience food, you could take those 1,200 chickens times 200 is $240,000.

00:52:40.140 You could make a living on two acres selling a convenience food straight out of your home kitchen.

00:52:50.280 And really good living.

00:52:51.280 A good living if we had a food emancipation proclamation.

00:52:57.440 The problem is farmers, entrepreneurial farmers, who are ready to value add.

00:53:05.280 These are not commodity farmers.

00:53:08.200 These are people, I mean, some big farmers, little farmers, all in between, that view

00:53:14.160 themselves as entrepreneurs as opposed to just raising corn for the man.

00:53:19.320 All right.

00:53:19.800 um i run in there are thousands and thousands and thousands of them around this country that

00:53:26.160 are ready to access their neighborhoods with well-made unadulterated convenience food

00:53:35.340 but it's but it's illegal here's the here's the pushback on that the reason why they'll say well

00:53:40.540 no because you got you got to check for safety yeah you got to make sure those kitchens are

00:53:45.160 clean you got to make sure xyz and yep and to some degree that's true you don't i mean there are

00:53:52.040 going to be people that are doing really nasty stuff absolutely there always are so how do you

00:53:55.580 solve for that so you solve it you solve it by limiting it to direct sale in other words i can't

00:54:02.000 sell this to walmart i can't sell it to a third party you and i have to know as two consenting

00:54:10.080 adults exercising freedom of choice for our microbiome we should be able to engage in a food

00:54:18.060 transaction of provenance without asking the government's permission yeah that's absolutely

00:54:22.480 right there i mean we what good is it to be able to assemble pray preach um if we if we can't choose

00:54:32.780 our body's fuel to give us the energy to go pray preach and assemble i mean it's such a fundamental

00:54:38.720 human right i mean we talk about human agency my ultimate agency is is i mean it involves your body

00:54:46.840 intimate than the act of marriage okay and so being able to choose that what what gets in so

00:54:54.580 safety here's the thing all the other thing all the other parts of our of our culture uh where

00:55:01.740 there's hazardous material like drugs prescription drugs whatever the prohibitions are are across the

00:55:09.920 board you can't use it you can't give it you can't give it away you can't take it you can't sell it

00:55:15.600 you can't buy it you can't sell it you can't give it away you can't all right except in food in food

00:55:21.660 i can give you a pot pie you can feed it to your friends all day perfectly safe what is it about

00:55:29.940 exchanging money that suddenly turns it from a benevolent thing to a hazardous substance.

00:55:38.600 I can give you a glass of milk.

00:55:40.960 In fact, you can feed it to your children.

00:55:43.980 In fact, you can buy it.

00:55:46.760 I just can't sell it.

00:55:48.400 Nobody ever gets taken to court for buying illegal food.

00:55:52.800 Who gets taken to court is the farmer or the value adder who produced it, who created it.

00:55:59.940 So the ultimate hypocrisy of this is that all other hazardous substances that can go between our lips, the prohibition is everything, but food, it's only on the cellar.

00:56:18.060 And so it's not about safety.

00:56:20.500 I mean, they will say it's about safety.

00:56:22.120 But ultimately, if you start drilling down, it's actually about controlling market access.

00:56:31.560 And so what we have right now is we have a real problem in American agriculture in our aging farmer.

00:56:38.980 Our farmers are now 60 years old.

00:56:41.040 In the next 15 years, that's one five, 15 years, half of all America's agriculture equity will change hands.

00:56:49.460 that's never happened in any civilization in peace it's only happened in conquest

00:56:57.340 you know the huns come in and take over rome the polynesians come okay but i can make the case that 0.99

00:57:03.820 is happening that it is the industrial farmer that has made conditions so bad that the young

00:57:09.420 farmers the ones who are watching their mom and dad they work this hard barely make it every year

00:57:15.780 Yeah. I don't want to work like that. Yeah. Well, the problem the problem is that when when old people can't get out or when young people can't get in, old people can't get out. 0.96

00:57:30.920 And so these farmers continue to age, age, age. And you're right. The ultimate, we hear the word, you know, regenerative farming now over and over and over again.

00:57:46.560 Well, you know, when somebody asked me about regenerative farming, you know, they're thinking soil and earthworms and all that stuff.

00:57:52.320 My first reaction is, is it attractive to young people?

00:57:56.220 Because you're a third generation farmer, right?

00:57:57.900 I'm I'm well, I'm second generation. Our son now is third generation. He operates it. But it doesn't have to be family. I mean, we have I mean, we run a very formal stewardship and apprenticeship program on our farm.

00:58:11.720 and uh we just had we just had 135 applicants for 11 spots and these and these are americans

00:58:20.020 they're not i mean i don't want to get down that rabbit trail but but the these are many times

00:58:26.160 college educated articulate sharp well-spoken and a lot of these young people they they get

00:58:32.420 five six years into their dilbert cubicle career and suddenly they're sitting there you know at

00:58:38.200 their screen and they're looking and say, man, I really would rather be out running that zero

00:58:43.140 turn mower with the landscape crew at the corporate headquarters. And they start yearning for

00:58:48.580 something that's visceral that they can touch. We had the most amazing, we had a guy come from

00:58:55.380 Chase Manhattan Bank. He worked in the Valley of the Beast in New York. He came as an apprentice

00:58:59.420 and he came in one day for supper and he was almost in tears. He was visibly, you know,

00:59:05.120 moved i said what you know what's the deal he said well he said he said my career has been working

00:59:10.600 you know at this uh cubicle with you know three team members one's in tokyo one's in shanghai

00:59:15.820 one's in london and me and we build these you know we build these electronic uh you know whatever

00:59:20.800 skeleton you know financial skeletons in cyberspace puts a button at the end of the

00:59:26.040 day it goes who knows where and we do the same thing tomorrow tomorrow and he said today

00:59:31.020 you know with the team we built a millennium feather net um that's what we call our portable

00:59:36.900 laying laying structure millennium feather net named after the millennium falcon in star wars

00:59:41.520 and i knew you'd like that and uh the millennium feather net and uh he said he said we we worked

00:59:47.720 on it all day and we pounded nails we cut boards we you know we put the screws in and he said

00:59:53.060 and he just got all teary he said and tomorrow and he said and my team we we talked we joked i

00:59:59.720 could see them we could we could touch we held things for each other and tomorrow morning i'm

01:00:05.600 gonna wake up and go out there and it's still gonna be there and he was just you know and and

01:00:11.140 and this tactile tactile visceral encounter with life nothing nothing has meaning anymore

01:00:21.280 or substance and it's only that is only going to get worse nothing that's right and i i know i

01:00:26.920 I bought my ranch when I was in New York city and I just wanted to get out of

01:00:32.040 the city.

01:00:32.540 And what I didn't realize the first day we were there,

01:00:35.420 we started a campfire,

01:00:37.160 sat around the campfire and there's no light pollution there.

01:00:40.140 And the campfire started to die down and we all sat there as a family.

01:00:44.000 We looked up at the sky and we did what I hadn't done in years.

01:00:48.620 Wow.

01:00:49.140 We are small,

01:00:50.340 are we?

01:00:50.940 Oh,

01:00:51.140 you're living in the cities.

01:00:52.300 You don't see the moon.

01:00:53.580 All you see are things that man has created.

01:00:56.920 especially New York city. And you don't have those.

01:01:00.340 And then I didn't have to talk to my kids about, you know,

01:01:04.900 how the birds and the bees were, they saw the cattle. Okay.

01:01:08.700 They saw the animals. They know exactly. Right.

01:01:12.460 They know exactly what is happening. Yeah. Um, you know, it's just that,

01:01:17.600 that experience. Yeah. You know,

01:01:20.940 my son who really does not like to work hard, works hard on the ranch.

01:01:24.820 and every time he says i feel so good yeah of course you do that's right because you're working

01:01:31.640 you're creating something with your own hands and it's real and you're worn out at the end of the

01:01:36.960 day yeah we see that in our culture in the bifurcation of the red and blue in that the red

01:01:44.060 tends to be rural and the blue is urban and i've concluded that part of the reason is because

01:01:49.800 the rural areas i'm just being very general a rural area we are immersed every day as you've

01:01:56.540 just described in the magnificence of creation the smallness of people and we're immersed in

01:02:01.800 something that divinity created you know god makes the trees he makes the grass he makes i mean

01:02:06.480 ultimately uh and so we're immersed in in in divine uh expression in our world in the city

01:02:14.720 you're immersed in human made everything cars roads honking you know street lights everything

01:02:21.240 even everything is man-made even success i mean you know i i know because you know my crops pay

01:02:29.880 for the cattle for the whole you know what i mean right um and and we'd have a perfect

01:02:36.600 we we did everything right we did everything right and then it rains in the city you're like

01:02:43.020 you know this isn't fair this isn't fair and you blame it on somebody right right there is no one 0.97

01:02:48.040 to blame but god yeah you know what i mean and so you're like crap and that forces your neighbors 0.95

01:02:56.340 to see you and go that thank god it didn't happen to me this year but it did happen two years ago 0.81

01:03:02.740 i'm helping them out because i'm going to need them to help me out when i'm like that yeah and

01:03:07.140 the whole thing just works everything just works yeah schumacher you know talked about

01:03:12.540 anonymity in um in um small is beautiful and um and it is in his uh iconic book and uh he talked

01:03:22.440 about um he talked about if you want to get lost go to the city if you want to find community go

01:03:27.760 to the country because because in the country everybody knows your car they know when you go

01:03:32.220 out when you come in they oh he didn't go out what's the deal you know and and but in the city

01:03:38.820 it's anonymous you know people don't even know the the person across the across the room and so

01:03:44.900 yeah i i think uh i think you're exactly right so so one of the pathways one of the pathways of

01:03:51.200 entry you know if we say that if we're going to save agriculture we need to create pathways of

01:03:56.780 entry for young people the quickest way to enter is to be able to capture the retail dollar that's

01:04:06.780 in your neighborhood that's the quickest way to enter because you don't have to own a thousand

01:04:11.540 acres you don't have to buy a ranch you can get two three four five acres a little a homestead

01:04:16.420 if you will and and you can make a living and so that's why this this idea of a food emancipation

01:04:23.200 proclamation it's funny people say well do you think it's legal and i said i don't think trump

01:04:27.540 cares i think if he thinks it's right he'll do it and then let the court sort it out and uh and i

01:04:33.040 think nothing could be more trumpian than a food emancipation proclamation i mean it's just so

01:04:37.700 trumpian and um but i bet he has not i bet it's been a very long time since he has cracked an egg

01:04:46.460 and seen how vibrant that yolk is and then the next time you go to the store and you're like

01:04:55.520 okay well that's an egg what is my first response was what is wrong with that egg no no no what's

01:05:02.580 wrong with the eggs you're buying at the store and when you see that yeah you know then then it

01:05:10.360 then it just becomes oh i i get it sure sure and and most people most people have never tasted the

01:05:18.340 kind of food that we produce they don't know what it is yeah i mean we we had a lady and uh she had 1.00

01:05:24.500 a little um very small very small six-year-old boy um clearly was you know struggling a little

01:05:31.000 She says, he's such a picky eater.

01:05:32.560 He won't eat anything.

01:05:33.820 And she got a couple dozen eggs.

01:05:35.380 She called me two days later.

01:05:36.760 She says, he's eating six eggs a day.

01:05:38.900 His body was starved for nutrition.

01:05:41.280 You know, he was eating stuff, but it wasn't nutritional.

01:05:46.520 And so many people, many people don't trust what they see in the store anymore, but they don't know where to turn.

01:05:56.200 And I'm telling you, based on the thousands of farmers and homesteaders that I encounter every year, if we had a food emancipation proclamation, there would be an atomic explosion of value added convenience opportunity in neighborhoods all over this country.

01:06:14.660 And suddenly that good food would be affordable because all food regulations are scale prejudicial.

01:06:23.180 It's easier to comply if you're big than if you're small.

01:06:26.200 I mean, we own a small federal inspected slaughterhouse up in Harrisonburg.

01:06:30.480 It costs us $600 to do what JBS, one of the big four meatpackers, what it cost them $150 to do.

01:06:39.620 Because we have the same HACCP plan, the same paperwork, you know, but we spread our inspector and bathroom and all these special, you know, inspection overheads.

01:06:51.300 We spread it over 50 beef a week.

01:06:54.680 they spread it over 5 000 a day and it's it's exactly the same and so when people accuse me

01:07:02.960 of being well you're elitist you know your prices are high all that they don't have to be they're

01:07:06.880 only high because because we we're trying to squeeze we don't have a food emancipation

01:07:13.640 proclamation so we're trying to squeeze our low volume through this this this industrial

01:07:19.360 right so but that i think has been all done at first i think i don't think people in the

01:07:26.540 government cared or cared to figure it out or look into and really understand it they're just

01:07:30.640 like oh well that's what the big guys say needs to happen so we gotta do that yeah well well when

01:07:34.720 people when people blame so where i differ with a lot of my friends is they view well the big guys

01:07:40.020 are trying to run people like us out of business no no no no no it's the consumer advocates the

01:07:44.900 ralph naderites that are asking for government intervention to protect them they're asking for

01:07:49.760 a safety net a security you know something um they as as food industrialized and went behind big

01:07:56.840 you know screens with you know no trespassing signs they said we need a bigger bully to look

01:08:04.080 over the fence to protect our interests what they didn't realize was their bully was going to go to

01:08:09.680 bed with what was the fist and that's the oligarchy that's Bernie he's right and that that's what

01:08:15.560 happened and so uh so where we where we are now is we now have the ability to uberize our food system 0.90

01:08:24.940 60 years ago if if if I said I'm going to Calcutta I'm going to jump in a car that doesn't even have

01:08:31.060 a taxi thing on it I don't know if the driver's been vetted or not and he's going to take me to

01:08:34.920 the museum, I'd say, what? Are you crazy? You're going to be kidnapped. Why does Uber work? Well, 0.98

01:08:39.620 because the internet has democratized vetting. It has democratized vetting to the point where

01:08:46.360 we can have real-time sleuthing of a global voice to vet the butcher maker and candlestick maker

01:08:54.240 that 500 years ago were embedded in the village. Everybody knew who the school flaws were. Everybody

01:08:58.960 knew who the good one was because they all went to church together. The kids played together.

01:09:02.920 They lived above their shops.

01:09:04.240 Everybody knew who the good ones were and who the bad ones were.

01:09:06.940 That got corrupted or dimmed.

01:09:09.980 It became opaque.

01:09:11.160 Let's just say that.

01:09:11.840 In the Industrial Revolution, with scale and with opaqueness, and suddenly the Internet

01:09:20.980 has blown this open to re-embed the butcher baker candlestick maker observations

01:09:29.380 and democratize everybody's view of them so that we've been able to to have uber i mean that's how

01:09:39.580 uber worked i mean think about this this this launched in a in a place that yeah we got to

01:09:44.680 make sure these guys can drive that the the car is acceptable blah blah blah circumvented everything

01:09:51.240 Talk about safety.

01:09:53.200 Uber circumfined on everything.

01:09:54.640 Airbnb.

01:09:56.260 You know, think about that.

01:09:57.380 In 10 years, Airbnb launched.

01:09:59.220 In 10 years, the globe got double.

01:10:03.800 It doubled the hospitality rooms of Marriott, Sheraton, and Hilton.

01:10:08.740 Those three conglomerates combined, Marriott, Sheraton, and Hilton,

01:10:13.020 doubled the number of rooms without pounding a nail.

01:10:17.600 What?

01:10:18.200 You're going to go stay in somebody's house?

01:10:19.440 How do you know they, maybe they have a bomb there.

01:10:21.580 Maybe they're trying to hurt you, you know, all that, nothing.

01:10:24.060 Why?

01:10:24.440 Because of the internet has re-embedded the village vetting voice in a global situation.

01:10:33.120 So agriculture and food were the last to join the industrial revolution.

01:10:39.080 I mean, the beginning, yeah, I said it was Cyrus McCormick's Reaper, but technology really went, you know, communication, transportation, okay,

01:10:49.160 all that farming and food were kind of the last to join that that technological uh um revolution

01:10:57.780 and because of that it will be the last to exit and so you know i say the food emancipation

01:11:05.660 proclamation i'm also happy to say we need to uberize our food system i mean you you can come

01:11:10.860 at this from from numerous threads uh and in fact you know um i i've just uh finished the rough draft

01:11:16.780 of my 18th book um uh just literally this morning as i was waiting to come here i had another thought

01:11:24.060 for another chapter and hopefully it'll be out this summer and the title is food emancipation

01:11:28.960 unshackling america's sustenance and and i want to present these arguments as an idea as as a as

01:11:37.300 a liberty freedom oriented idea to what has been the foodies the food the environmental food

01:11:45.280 movement if we just broadly environmental food movement has been um on the liberal side of the

01:11:51.120 of the spectrum and and the problem is wonderful people and of course i have deep deep friendships

01:11:59.380 all through that that sure that realm but the thought that we can beat that we can beat the

01:12:07.900 oligarchy with freedom and not with a bigger government agency a bigger government hammer

01:12:13.080 is just never enters their mind no the answer is always you know and and i agree i don't know who

01:12:21.800 said it you probably know uh some famous said that the only way there can be a monopoly

01:12:26.820 is with collusion with the government in a free market monopolies can't exist because

01:12:32.220 there are too many eager beavers yapping at the heels of a of a of an outfit right and um and so

01:12:39.320 i tend to i tend to agree with that and and so uh if we if we want to chip away if we want to

01:12:45.720 actually you know create movement a um a pathway of entry for new young farmers uh which enables

01:12:53.600 an exit for old farmers um a a pathway into um healthy food by people who want to get healthy

01:13:04.960 food and to chip away at the power of the oligarchy the answer is liberty the answer is open up the

01:13:16.520 market for these all these friends of mine plus me that are chafing at the bit to just offer an

01:13:24.400 alternative to the oligarchy to our friends and neighbors people at church

01:13:28.380 you're fabulous i can't wait for your book to come out thank you uh and i will i got to get

01:13:37.480 a copy because if i see the president i will pass it on to him i think you're on to something

01:13:41.680 yeah one of my previous books written 15 years ago is the title is everything i want to do is

01:13:46.960 illegal and and and that articulates many of the frustrations that we've you know got abandoned

01:13:56.020 about today, but this one, this one is going to be the solution. Yeah, that's good. Thank you.

01:14:01.000 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 04, 2026

Ep 285 ｜ The Gospel According to a Lunatic Farmer ｜ Joel Salatin ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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