The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 288 ｜ The Man Who Can Predict the Future ｜ Roy H. Williams ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 But you said to me, Glenn, you know you don't win, right?

00:00:06.260 I know what will happen, I just don't know from where or exactly how it will manifest.

00:00:11.500 I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying one kills millions of people.

00:00:16.100 I've talked about it exactly once since the last time I talked to you, which was years ago.

00:00:20.120 And I regretted doing that, because it makes people furious.

00:00:24.120 Roy I have to tell you there are very few guests that I have ever spoken to

00:00:32.080 who what they said to me and you said several things to me what they said to me stuck in my

00:00:40.060 head and who and I think about it all the time do you remember the first time we spoke

00:00:44.940 I called you and you said I've been waiting for you to call um because of what you had to share

00:00:52.360 But you said to me, Glenn, you know you don't win, right?

00:00:59.220 You remember saying that to me?

00:01:01.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:02.440 I think of that all the time, all the time.

00:01:07.560 Why?

00:01:08.060 Why?

00:01:08.880 Why?

00:01:10.260 Yeah, why?

00:01:11.080 because uh i'm i'm hopeful that i'm still around to see not a win but i'm hopeful that i'm still

00:01:20.600 around to see the transition and we are and i believe i'm seeing it but before we get into all

00:01:28.340 of this let me have you explain the pendulum you wrote a book called the pendulum it is to me a

00:01:35.880 game-changing book. And you wrote it, if I'm not mistaken, because you're an ad guy and you saw

00:01:42.680 things change and you tried to figure it out. Right? Well, it wasn't so much that I'm an

00:01:49.020 advertising, an ad writer. Like yourself, I'm a student of history. I'm just fascinated by the

00:01:55.300 patterns of history, the patterns of human behavior. And it was in early December of 2003.

00:02:02.900 I woke up one morning and I was, I was a young boy in 2003. I remember 2003. And I said, I said,

00:02:12.460 you know, when I said 2000, I remember 1963, excuse me. I wrote a thing in 2003 called

00:02:19.020 1963 All Over Again. And it just hit me one morning. I said, you know what?

00:02:25.500 we just finished 2003 and we finished 1963 all over again but we're going in reverse

00:02:32.800 it was 1963 in reverse and i began to ponder that and i began looking for are there other artifacts

00:02:41.060 are there other indicators that this is a real thing and the more i dug into it the more i realized

00:02:47.480 oh yeah so what was it you were seeing in 2003 and i don't understand the 1963 in reverse what

00:02:53.660 what does that mean? Okay. Okay. For a person who has no exposure to pendulum theory,

00:03:03.400 we move from a pendulum being centered at its balance, and then we move for 20 years

00:03:13.420 toward something we hunger for. And in the case of 1963, for 20 years, we were hungering for

00:03:22.560 individuality, self-expression, you be you, I'll be me, we'll be different, life is good,

00:03:31.020 hooray for people. And so it's a little bit of a time of idealism. It's a time of peace, beauty,

00:03:40.320 love. We're all in this together, and let's all just accept our differences and celebrate life

00:03:47.160 together. And it begins as this beautiful thing. Now, there's a six-year transitionary window.

00:03:52.500 You've got about six years. Now, remember, 1963, when you think of the 60s and all the good things

00:03:57.680 of the 60s, the things that emerged from the 60s that were kind of new and exciting and different,

00:04:04.360 60s were over at the end of 1968. 60, 61, and 62 were the tail end of the 50s. 63 to 68,

00:04:14.340 Everything about the 60s that matters was between 1963 and 1968.

00:04:18.680 1969, first year of the 70s.

00:04:21.360 And so when I realized, huh, I wonder how often this little six-year window right at the inflection point happens.

00:04:27.560 Well, it happens every time, every 80 years.

00:04:31.640 We're actually 40 up, 40 down, 40 up, 40 down.

00:04:34.940 And so if you want to know where we're at right now, you look at what were we doing 80 years ago in Western society.

00:04:41.440 And to define Western society, Glenn, I contend that Western society began in Persia and Israel

00:04:49.500 about 3,000 years ago, the time of Solomon.

00:04:53.420 And we have good records going back to that time.

00:04:57.120 And whenever you said, OK, now, if Western society began in Israel and Persia, where

00:05:03.500 did it move?

00:05:04.180 Well, it moved to Aristotle and Socrates in ancient Greece and that whole thing.

00:05:08.380 And then, after a few hundred years, it moved to Rome, where that was the center of Western society.

00:05:16.180 And then it moved to England.

00:05:18.740 And then, arguably, it moved to the United States.

00:05:22.540 And so, when you look at Western society, and people ask, well, where does it begin and end?

00:05:28.060 Basically, it's Istanbul.

00:05:29.680 It's Constantinople.

00:05:31.000 And I said, thanks to the west of that or Western society, thanks to the east of that or Eastern society and Eastern culture,

00:05:37.920 which I think, and I haven't dug deep enough into this to say it with certainty,

00:05:42.340 but I think, Glenn, that Eastern society is on the opposite swing of the pendulum.

00:05:47.020 When we're in a we, we just went past the zenith of a we, which I'll explain in a moment.

00:05:52.900 And when we're going just past the zenith of a we,

00:05:56.020 they're going just over the top of the zenith of a me.

00:05:59.080 So the two divisions of the pendulum,

00:06:02.160 toward one side, 1963 is the beginning of a we, okay?

00:06:06.100 And then you get to the zenith of the way 20 years later.

00:06:09.520 And what began is this beautiful dream of individuality and self-expression has become hollow, phony posing.

00:06:18.440 And it's when everybody's wearing costumes and trying to be the more extraordinarily, spectacularly different and bizarre.

00:06:26.600 And that's when you had the boy bands and you had Michael Jackson swept the Grammys in 1983, won nine Grammys.

00:06:34.200 and then you had Kiss and all of the other, you know, big hair bands and all that kind of stuff.

00:06:39.640 And people are buying Harleys and pretending that they're bikers and they're just a dentist with a

00:06:44.080 do-rag. And it's like, you know, you're not a, you're not a, you're not a Hells Angel. You're 0.51

00:06:48.940 just a guy posing and pretending. And so that weird hollowness where what began as a beautiful

00:06:55.260 dream 20 years later, we take a good thing too far. We always, always, always take a good thing

00:07:00.120 too far explain the difference between a me cycle and a we cycle me is the 1980s where it's me me

00:07:08.380 me i'm going to get rich i'm going to do it i don't need anybody else conspicuous consumption

00:07:12.500 right and then the we is this almost uh i think both sides could be almost cult-like in a way

00:07:19.620 but almost this cult-like we are in this together and you have to be a part of this group and if

00:07:26.380 you're out of this group. You're not part of anything, right? That's not how it begins. Now,

00:07:31.320 remember, at the bottom, when the pendulum is at rest at the bottom, things are glorious. They're

00:07:36.180 beautiful for about six years on either side of that. Isn't this wonderful, beautiful? It's the

00:07:40.680 way it always is in life. If we could keep our pendulum in the middle, a balance of everything,

00:07:47.060 it's great. Yes, balance. But we always go too far. Balance is the word we're looking for.

00:07:53.840 And so when the pendulum is in balance, and within six years of that on either side, is really just a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful time.

00:08:01.800 And so 2003 was when it came back down.

00:08:04.940 So think of this. 0.71

00:08:05.780 Think of baby boomers, loosely speaking, from 63 to 83. 0.94

00:08:10.980 The deflation of that excess was Gen X. 0.90

00:08:17.200 And they come back down to 2003.

00:08:19.920 Now, 2003, major, major inflection point.

00:08:22.260 And basically, the internet had its bar mitzvah in 2003.

00:08:27.760 And all of the really big, big, big game-changing things happened in the six years following 2003, 2003 and 2009.

00:08:36.540 There's always a new, at the beginning of a week, there's a new revolution in communication.

00:08:43.660 And in 1923, it was radio.

00:08:47.060 Radio in the six years after 1923.

00:08:51.300 First radio, I think it was at 21, but from 23 to about 29, thousands of radio stations.

00:08:57.600 And then we had Franklin Roosevelt at the zenith of the Wii.

00:09:01.500 And he's gather around children and we'll have a fireside chat.

00:09:04.200 And so the beauty of the Wii at the beginning, when it's in balance, those first six years is working together for the common good.

00:09:12.200 And it works.

00:09:13.460 So from 2003 to 2009, you did not see the extraordinary polarity, the social ostracism, the cancel culture.

00:09:24.080 You didn't see any of that.

00:09:25.560 2003 to 2009, it was really good.

00:09:28.220 And I told people, I wrote the book, and I said, look, I don't want to talk about this anymore because there's no good news for a while.

00:09:34.340 And everybody's, oh, please tell me more and more and more.

00:09:35.940 I didn't even want to write the book.

00:09:37.140 I was teaching it in our school, and people said, you have to write a book, have to write a book, have to write a book.

00:09:43.240 I said, no, no, no. By the time the book came out, there's nothing but bad news for about 20 years.

00:09:48.100 And they were kind of, well, why? And I says, when you get to 2013, I said, you hit this inflection point.

00:09:56.920 Now we've taken the good thing too far. So from 2013, 2014 to 2023, what began as working together for the common good becomes.

00:10:06.580 Well, Glenn, you know what?

00:10:09.880 I used to think there's nobody really committed

00:10:12.220 Except for me and you

00:10:13.700 Me and you are the only ones that are truly pure

00:10:16.020 And do ruin the right thing

00:10:17.600 And lately I've been wondering about you

00:10:20.320 And so the circle gets tighter

00:10:23.940 There's higher and higher standards of purity

00:10:28.180 And self-righteousness and commitment

00:10:30.480 And it always happens like this

00:10:32.500 See, if you look at that cycle

00:10:35.520 Whoever is in charge of the culture, right? 0.57

00:10:39.620 So in Germany, at the zenith of the we, 80 years ago, okay?

00:10:44.260 Well, not 80 years ago now, longer than 80 years, but approaching the zenith of the we.

00:10:47.760 That was approaching 1943.

00:10:50.220 We have 2023 down here.

00:10:54.200 Well, actually, 63 go backwards.

00:10:56.180 You wind up with World War II was right at the zenith of the previous we.

00:11:01.520 and you look at that and you go okay so the rise of hitler from like what would have been 2013 to

00:11:07.600 2023 80 years earlier and you go huh and it's like and then that was 33 that was 33

00:11:15.020 yeah 33 to 33 is what i'm saying is 2013 at that inflection point somebody will take a good thing

00:11:23.720 too far and they will start as you referred to it the cult of uh excess it's like we're going to

00:11:30.120 take this good thing too far and well both sides both sides do it yeah yeah and there's this

00:11:35.260 unbelievable uh tension between absolutists and there are no centrists okay so then at 2023

00:11:44.140 we hit the zenith and and honestly right i've been thinking about this you know for a long time

00:11:50.780 because i've been watching this because of your book and i'm grateful that you wrote it because

00:11:54.980 it actually gave me hope okay there is a there is a pattern here so I've been watching it and

00:12:02.280 you know it starts to burn itself out in COVID we're at the zenith of this with COVID you will

00:12:09.580 wear the mask you will do these things and that all of a sudden it's the first time you start

00:12:15.880 seeing heroes step in and going no I'm not going to do it whether you agree with them or disagree

00:12:22.040 they're independent thinkers and it's the first time i had seen that for at least a day i had

00:12:29.220 wondered where are the where are the heroes where are the people who are going to stand up and say

00:12:33.860 no i'm an individual and they started and they're coming faster and faster now so that's the sign

00:12:41.180 right we were at the zenith and now you're starting to see signs of courage of individualism correct

00:12:48.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, the thing that if you look back at what happens about now in the next few years, OK, remember, it doesn't like when you get to the zenith, it declines the same pace at incline.

00:13:05.100 Yes. And so in 2033, it'll be like 19, like 2013 all over again, but go in the opposite direction.

00:13:13.540 So the Zenith is 2023. So those last 10 years from 13 to 23, that's an acceleration of crazy.

00:13:21.000 And now we're in the deceleration of crazy. But guess what happens about now?

00:13:25.540 The rise of the prosecutor, the accuser, the Joseph McCarthy, there will be somebody who says,

00:13:32.540 you know you know this big the big crisis is kind of waning somebody will step up and become and i

00:13:39.840 have no idea it'll be it can be on either side it can be on either side and they will rally people

00:13:45.120 to um that person's no good and that person's no good and that person's no good and that person has

00:13:50.440 to be stopped and it's not as big as the zenith of a we but it's the last gasp it's the last

00:13:57.340 we're seeing this on both sides i have i have friends or former friends that are saying these

00:14:05.240 kinds of things right now i'm seeing it from the left as well and it terrifies me sure so that kind

00:14:11.340 of leads me it does me too it leads me and i can always go ahead go ahead go ahead as i say it

00:14:17.560 always i can always spot on both sides who it might be just like it could be one of these dozen

00:14:23.320 guys over here it could be one of these dozen guys over here it could be somebody brand new

00:14:26.500 that we don't know about yet, that just comes out of nowhere. And I just sit back and I go,

00:14:30.980 okay, this is interesting because I know what will happen. I just don't know from where

00:14:36.280 or exactly how it will manifest. And so Stalin in Russia, Hitler in Germany, and then we had

00:14:44.320 FDR in America, three different leaders aiming that same working together for the common good

00:14:49.920 energy at a pinnacle of crisis. And that polarity, that rage, that animosity, you just divide up into

00:14:58.100 two teams. And I'm going, so we did that. It's slowly, slowly on the decline right now, okay?

00:15:06.020 And the inflection point you're looking for is 2033, when you start seeing real significant

00:15:12.500 signs of things are beginning to change. Glenn, we both want to be alive in 2043,

00:15:18.420 because that's the time of celebration and the fever has broken.

00:15:25.060 So let me ask you this, because this is the one question I really want to know.

00:15:33.160 If you go back and you see these movements,

00:15:35.740 usually revolution or something big is happening in the world.

00:15:39.120 You had that with World War I.

00:15:41.940 You had that same we with, was it a we generation?

00:15:45.980 Salem Witch Trials. 0.96

00:15:46.820 But yeah, but it was the same. Wait, wait, wait. Go back with me. It was World War II. Then before that, it was anti-slavery. And then before that. 0.76

00:15:56.560 In the middle of the Civil War, 1863, the middle year of a five-year Civil War. Civil War is 1861 to 1865. Zenith of the previous we was 1863, middle year of the Civil War.

00:16:10.340 right now the zenith before that was the year we signed the constitution and so the revolutionary

00:16:16.500 war took us up to the zenith of the we and then that's when we signed the constitution after we

00:16:22.260 won the revolutionary war so but but if you say that this is a western thing and this is what i

00:16:29.040 this please have a good answer for this one that gives me hope all right all right france was going

00:16:36.240 through it as well so they had all their turmoil and i don't know if they ever hit a me because it

00:16:43.840 it went to guillotines then it then it went to uh napoleon and then another napoleon and then it

00:16:52.040 went right into you know the communist uh you know communes i mean did they ever can you stop

00:17:01.300 It depends. It depends upon what you're looking at. The we was the French Revolution. We're going to work together and we're going to overthrow the aristocracy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:17:15.740 And so they had their whole thing going on, their own little civil war, if you will. And then Robespierre's reign of terror and the whole bit.

00:17:24.180 And you said, now, what happened after that?

00:17:27.780 Well, the guy that I like looking at, honestly, is Napoleon Bonaparte's little brother.

00:17:35.060 All right.

00:17:35.800 And I'll think of his name in a second.

00:17:41.340 Boy, I've got a little portrait of him.

00:17:44.600 It'll come to me.

00:17:45.820 His little brother actually gave Napoleon France.

00:17:49.800 Most people don't know this.

00:17:50.800 his younger brother was the captain of the royal guard and these were the people that literally

00:17:56.860 guarded the king and so a nabolian comes in to the throne room and his little brother puts a

00:18:02.980 sword to his throat his little brother was a true really pure um true believer in the revolution 0.92

00:18:10.740 and he told his brother he said unless you swear to me fraternity you got talent you get

00:18:16.140 Yeah, I know.

00:18:17.900 Equality, but not equality. 0.93

00:18:20.160 The three things.

00:18:20.600 The three things that Fidelberg said. 0.92

00:18:23.080 Well, he says, unless you swear that to me, you die here.

00:18:24.960 And he meant it.

00:18:26.440 And Napoleon knew he meant it.

00:18:27.360 He said, I swear to you that I'm going to do the right thing.

00:18:30.280 Now, whenever Napoleon, and by the way, the French Academy, the Rosetta Stone, all of

00:18:36.440 the salvation of what was the culture of France was his little brother who did that.

00:18:41.460 And when you said, okay, so this guy had a heart of gold.

00:18:44.340 when he saw that Napoleon was going too far. He did the unthinkable. He left France, went to Italy,

00:18:51.780 married an Italian woman, and never looked back. This is royalty in France. He goes, nope,

00:18:57.680 brother, you're taking a good thing too far. You're screwing this thing up, and I'm out.

00:19:02.580 I no longer believe in what you're doing here. And so there was a strong

00:19:08.280 counter to what Napoleon was doing and all of the excesses. But when you look in general

00:19:17.600 at the deflation of a we, the violence dissipates, and then they're looking for

00:19:24.800 self-expression again. They're looking for, okay, we want to be different. We want to be

00:19:30.900 a new thing. We want to start over. And if you look at communism, there was a window of time

00:19:38.120 when a lot of naive people looked at that as, hey, this could be a good thing.

00:19:43.000 You know, if we all work together and we're all sharing, that would be awesome.

00:19:47.040 And then they don't realize, yeah, that never works.

00:19:50.540 But it's a good idea that people were good,

00:19:53.780 but were fundamentally not as good as we need to be

00:19:56.220 for socialism or communism to actually exist.

00:20:01.020 And that's my belief, at least, as an idea.

00:20:04.800 When these when these societies like we could still go into a totalitarian state on either side in this period.

00:20:14.560 And when that happens, is it always like it is because if I'm not mistaken, Russia went in to the totalitarian state really hardcore with Stalin, which is in approaching the zenith of the we.

00:20:28.600 and then yes absolutely they have do they always have to go through the full 80 year cycle before

00:20:34.840 they can break it because i mean it was soviet union was kind of over in the 80s remember it's

00:20:41.620 an energy it's an energy if you say what is the what is the the fuel what is the energy what is

00:20:47.160 the hunger the hunger that is driving this movement to this direction and this beautiful

00:20:55.420 dream of working together for the common good gets carried too far, and it becomes duty,

00:21:01.140 obligation, sacrifice. It becomes virtue signaling. It becomes purity. And then you said, okay,

00:21:08.400 when that deflates, then there's this window of last gasps, which is kind of where we're at right

00:21:15.280 now. And then after the last gas, 2033, you'll see flickers, usually in technology and in literature.

00:21:23.160 there will be some writers emerge that are a little bit fringe, but then they gain momentum.

00:21:30.140 And so in 1953, as we're emerging toward, so let's say 1953 was, yeah, exactly.

00:21:43.040 Exactly.

00:21:43.540 It was 1933.

00:21:44.820 So in 33, what began to happen in.

00:21:49.480 I'm sorry.

00:21:50.200 I was thinking in 53 is actually 2033 in this timeline now.

00:21:55.960 Yes.

00:21:56.300 Okay, go ahead.

00:21:57.400 Yes, you're doing the math right.

00:21:58.660 I'm getting confused.

00:21:59.520 I know, I know, I know.

00:22:00.260 Same page.

00:22:01.220 So in 2033, okay, the last time we were there,

00:22:07.380 but going the opposite direction, 1953,

00:22:10.840 we're just talking about an inflection point.

00:22:12.240 Because, see, coming down from the weenie in...

00:22:20.200 53, because remember, coming down from the Wii, and 63 started the me.

00:22:25.820 63 starts the me, which is—but you know who the Alpha Voices were?

00:22:30.520 That was the year that we got Catcher in the Rye from J.D. Salinger.

00:22:37.360 That was also the year that Jack Kerouac wrote On the Road.

00:22:41.320 Wow. 0.69

00:22:41.820 Now, both of those in literature, both of those were the most outrageous, outrageous, unthinkable hedonism, just like a libertine.

00:22:52.700 These people are like, what in the world are you doing?

00:22:55.100 You're just zigzagging back and forth across America, sleeping with strangers and staying drunk all the time.

00:23:01.000 And that is so horrifically wrong. 0.91

00:23:02.860 But yet these two and then the Holden Caulfield and his whole screwed upness and his whole, you know, I'm going to go do these crazy, crazy things.

00:23:13.360 And and that that that just rampant, rampant, over the top rebellion in 1953.

00:23:19.880 You know what else happened in 1953? Issue number one of Playboy magazine, 1953.

00:23:25.960 And so all of a sudden, all these signals were coming up on that again in 2033.

00:23:30.800 I don't know what the signals will be, but the alpha voices in literature, Playboy magazine, J.D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye, and Jack Kerouac's On the Road, bam, alpha voices.

00:23:42.040 And then you start hearing it in the music, music and literature.

00:23:46.940 First literature, about five years later, the music that expresses those same feelings.

00:23:52.000 And so then you had Buddy Holly and you had, you know.

00:23:56.960 Elvis.

00:23:57.480 Yeah, no, before Elvis, the guy that would duck walk, guitarist, and, you know, bounce across his face.

00:24:04.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't think of it.

00:24:07.880 Little Richard.

00:24:08.700 Yeah.

00:24:09.220 Little Richard. Was it Little Richard?

00:24:11.640 I don't think so, but it was in that same vein.

00:24:15.380 Little Richard was the same kind of guy.

00:24:16.660 Anyway, yeah, what I'm saying is when I was deep, deep, deep into this, and I found all these hit songs, I put them all in the book,

00:24:23.360 And I'll say, and just watch the hits and what happens year by year by year by year, you watch the energy, you read the lyrics, you read the lyrics of these hit songs.

00:24:31.920 And so this reflects, I believe, that the most popular literature and the most popular music of a society will, in fact, indicate the energy of what's in their heart.

00:24:43.600 Does that make sense?

00:24:44.320 Yes.

00:24:45.180 And so when you start tracking that, you can watch it and go, oh, my gosh, you can see the energy as it changes and morphs.

00:24:53.060 Can it get hijacked at this point?

00:24:55.960 Can it get hijacked?

00:24:57.200 Or, I mean, does this have anything to do with totalitarianism?

00:25:00.700 I'm trying to get past a place to where we're struggling with people who are so individualistic. 0.96

00:25:07.280 Because when you're in a we, that's where you can round up millions of people and kill them.

00:25:12.480 When you're in a me, you don't do that, generally speaking, if I'm not mistaken. 0.74

00:25:17.640 No, no, no, no.

00:25:18.680 Right.

00:25:19.180 So you become increasingly self-absorbed.

00:25:22.200 Right, right.

00:25:22.940 I'm not saying it's good. 0.83

00:25:24.140 I'm just saying one kills millions of people.

00:25:27.940 So can this be hijacked?

00:25:29.760 Are we headed towards a safety zone where we might be able to put things back together and come back together?

00:25:37.780 Or can it still be hijacked?

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00:27:43.440 Well, let's put it this way. The energy of the me, the energy of individuality,

00:27:53.060 is going to find its leaders. And those leaders will have influence on the direction of that

00:27:59.660 energy. Now, the energy is immutable. It will be there. So we've been cooped up. We've been

00:28:05.540 tightly confined. Conformity, purity, and absolute, you know, regimentation is what you have at the

00:28:12.480 zenith of a we. We're beginning to move past that. And in 2033, the voices that are advocating for

00:28:19.820 we all have to have room to be different. We all have to give each other some space to be

00:28:26.360 different. And so that energy will happen. Now, leaders emerge, and they can help inflection

00:28:34.400 points and kind of direction of that energy. As an example, the energy of working together for

00:28:39.720 the common good as we went up toward the me in 1933 to 43 we had a different mindset with the

00:28:47.580 leader of our nation than did russia or germany and i'm saying so the the the energy is going to

00:28:55.440 be there the people can be aimed can you show me toward the thing that they can you show me the

00:29:01.020 danger of the me where it becomes totalitarian or can you show me the leadership where the me

00:29:08.720 the me is always just a bunch of nut jobs doing nutty things okay and you know back to normalcy 0.73

00:29:16.480 it is it's just like it's just it's just goofy people trying to be more goofy than the next

00:29:22.660 person and then um you know with the zenith of of a me the expression is whoever dies with the

00:29:29.620 most toys wins correct i mean it's wall street that whole it's it's the it's just get all you

00:29:34.560 can, can all you get, sit on the can, poison the rest. Correct. Correct. And so what I'm saying

00:29:40.540 is in 2033, if I'm still around, and I hope I will be, there will be in literature, and then

00:29:48.860 shortly after that, it will emerge in music, a new perspective. And you'll watch that perspective

00:29:54.640 become, go from what begins kind of at the fringe. And then from the fringe of society,

00:30:02.060 10 years later, in 2043, it is mainstream. And whenever it goes mainstream, it's not just one

00:30:08.600 generation. It has spread from, see, in 1963, the vast majority of people, whether it was the

00:30:16.960 grandkids and the grandparents that were listening to rock and roll in 63, 64, 65, it was the music

00:30:23.440 of everyone. And so there's this great unity coming together of everybody being alike when

00:30:31.540 the pendulum is at rest is this everybody's working together for the common good or everybody

00:30:35.540 is working together to be more individual is this is this born in each generation because i'm seeing

00:30:42.140 this new generation that is coming the ones in high school and below and just into college now

00:30:49.560 it's different and so is it born in the generation are they just what what is it that yes it is sort

00:30:58.100 Sort of, sort of. I mean, let me put it this way. Have you ever noticed how most kids identify with one or both of their grandparents more than they identify with their parents?

00:31:12.220 And it's kind of like you'll be really close to a grandfather or grandmother, maybe both, more than you are your mom and dad in a lot of families.

00:31:19.820 Well, what that really is, is when you look at the kind of the years it takes for a generation to come, you will have a philosophical belief system to reject the excesses of the former generation.

00:31:36.840 And you see the thing they're doing that you know when you're young is just crazy.

00:31:41.760 And you say, I'm not going to be like them.

00:31:44.260 Well, now you're thinking like your grandparents.

00:31:46.700 Wow.

00:31:47.060 Okay. It's because they were in a different cycle. And so this whole thing is nature-nurture.

00:31:53.900 And I'm attributing the part of the energy to nurture. Now, if we take away generations out,

00:32:01.460 if we take away the young and the old and the rejecting of the excesses of the previous

00:32:08.920 generation, if we take that out and we said, okay, if everyone's equal and everyone's the

00:32:14.420 same age, what's actually happening? We're attracted to what we left behind. When we're at

00:32:20.520 the zenith of the me, and there's all this freedom, and then we start losing that, and we come down to

00:32:28.000 where we're in balance, and we start going the other direction, we take a good thing too far.

00:32:32.600 As we take it too far, we're missing what we left behind. See what I mean? And so then we take this

00:32:38.980 one too far, and we start coming back to what we left behind, which is individualism. And then no,

00:32:44.420 We left behind working together for the common good, and we come back to that, because they're

00:32:47.680 both beautiful, they're both wonderful, and they're pure form. Neither one of those is bad.

00:32:52.600 And I tell people, if you embrace one of those and you reject the other one, you missed the

00:32:58.400 lesson. That's not the objective. The objective is to keep responsibility and freedom. Glenn,

00:33:07.220 that's what we're talking about. The duality of every—as a matter of fact, it was actually

00:33:14.340 Niels Bohr, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics, B-O-H-R, Niels Bohr, won the Nobel Prize in

00:33:21.940 Physics, and he very famously said, the opposite of a true statement is a false statement.

00:33:29.840 But the opposite of a profound truth is usually another profound truth.

00:33:36.300 Example, is honesty a good thing?

00:33:45.640 Yes.

00:33:45.840 Yes.

00:33:46.420 Is loyalty a good thing?

00:33:48.440 Yes.

00:33:49.400 Do honesty and loyalty often come into conflict?

00:33:52.820 Yes.

00:33:53.520 Yes.

00:33:54.440 Okay.

00:33:55.120 Let's talk about justice.

00:33:57.300 Is justice a good thing?

00:33:58.560 Yes.

00:33:59.040 Yes.

00:33:59.680 Is mercy a good thing?

00:34:01.420 Yes.

00:34:01.900 Yes.

00:34:02.980 Do justice and mercy come into conflict?

00:34:05.760 Yes.

00:34:06.300 constantly and so these powerful truths and then you say freedom by gosh i want my freedom i'll

00:34:14.260 have my freedom i demand my freedom cool freedom is a wonderful thing you must have about

00:34:19.800 responsibility yes what about responsibility freedom and responsibility are paired opposites

00:34:26.560 so when you get to what happens when you get to these zeniths because i say this on the air all

00:34:30.980 the time arguing with my own listeners you have to be able to hold two things at the same time

00:34:37.980 this can be true and this can be true but we're in this is this time period where no no only this

00:34:44.720 is true or only this is true right and is that a sign that you're in those zeniths

00:34:50.860 yeah it is what happens is um i forget who said it um but they said that the the sign

00:35:00.960 of a first-rate intelligence, just to be able to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same

00:35:06.040 time and still have the ability to function. And so when you stand in between two opposing

00:35:14.620 profound truths, and you don't choose between them, but you just feel the electrical current

00:35:23.140 pass. Because when you have high positive, high negative, you don't want to choose between those,

00:35:29.780 because right in the middle, you have the flow of electric current. A third thing emerges from

00:35:35.480 positive potential and negative potential. A third thing emerges, and it's this flow of energy.

00:35:40.860 And so when we're down at the bottom of the pendulum, when it's in balance, the flow of

00:35:45.820 energy between justice and mercy, between freedom and responsibility, between truth and loyalty,

00:35:52.280 we're right in the middle of that, and we're feeling the energy of both, and we're kind of

00:35:56.500 in balance. It's a great place. But then the one that we just came out of, we're kind of attracted

00:36:02.580 to the one we left behind. And we start going that way. We over-pursue it. We take a good thing too

00:36:07.440 far and we come back down. So it's 20 years up, 20 years down. Then we go the other direction,

00:36:12.120 20 years up, 20 years down. And so it's an 80-year round trip. And to be in the same position you

00:36:18.860 were in, headed the same direction you were going, is once every 80 years. And then we repeat it

00:36:24.800 because nobody remembers 80 years ago.

00:36:27.060 I know. I do.

00:36:29.340 The reading history repeats itself

00:36:30.660 as we didn't pay attention the first time.

00:36:32.920 So is that why, like,

00:36:34.860 is that why the get them can happen at this point?

00:36:40.620 And the, I don't, we got to scoop this guy up

00:36:43.120 and this guy's a danger

00:36:43.900 because we have just been,

00:36:46.560 for lack of a better term,

00:36:47.840 I guess you could say,

00:36:48.980 we've been focused only on mercy,

00:36:51.300 that these people have been victimized,

00:36:53.180 et cetera, et cetera.

00:36:53.880 And there's this great call for, no, I want justice.

00:36:58.060 There's got to be justice.

00:37:00.060 And so this is the overcorrection that we're possibly heading for is justice.

00:37:07.120 What happens is, Glenn, the only thing I can say, and by the way, it infuriates people when we talk about this.

00:37:15.100 I never talk about it.

00:37:16.820 I've talked about it exactly once since the last time I talked to you, which was years ago.

00:37:21.400 Okay.

00:37:21.760 And I regretted doing that.

00:37:23.880 Because it makes people furious because you're calling them to recognize their overzealousness in a single direction.

00:37:35.840 And I remember, I remember Glennon, and you can edit it out if it's something I shouldn't say.

00:37:42.880 We don't ever edit.

00:37:43.900 No.

00:37:44.900 The very first time you spoke, that I spoke to you, you had just done something.

00:37:50.280 and I said, Glenn, that's not going to work out for you, buddy. And what you had just done is

00:37:57.120 you had actually introduced the idea. He said, you know what? I've been thinking about it and

00:38:00.840 I think maybe black lives do matter. I mean, I think maybe these guys need to be considered.

00:38:05.400 They kind of have a point. And I'm going, dude, that ain't going to work because

00:38:09.540 the people who pay the most attention to you have a direction that they're following you in

00:38:17.640 And you just violated the direction by saying maybe we're a little bit wrong.

00:38:22.140 But that's the problem.

00:38:22.660 But that is the problem.

00:38:24.640 That is two things in two different hands.

00:38:27.960 This can be true.

00:38:29.200 Yes, Black Lives Matter.

00:38:30.860 There's been real injustice.

00:38:33.280 However, that's not the answer here.

00:38:36.640 It's to look at that and to solve this without throwing this away.

00:38:41.060 So I was trying to show.

00:38:42.580 I agree.

00:38:43.480 So is there.

00:38:44.380 See, what happens is when you try to show balance in the upswing of a we, nobody's listening.

00:38:51.420 What happens is when everybody's headed towards extremism, don't try to bring them into balance because now you have, you've become a rhino.

00:39:00.620 You're just a Republican in name only.

00:39:02.620 There's always another word for a rhino.

00:39:04.540 Every culture has their slur, right? 0.77

00:39:06.340 And I'm saying, okay. And I'm going, so everybody has their rejection of the person who's no longer as extreme as they need to be. And I'm saying that idea of not letting people have divergent opinions and being willing to listen to an opinion you don't agree with, but listen to it with respect and try to think about it the way they're thinking about it.

00:39:29.680 and then say, I see what you're saying, and I understand why you're saying it, but I see it differently.

00:39:36.580 And then they will listen to you, perhaps.

00:39:38.740 And I'm saying, I want to get back to the place where two people with very different ideas can listen to each other,

00:39:45.940 consider what the other one's saying, not interrupt them, and then say, I hear you, and I see where you're coming from,

00:39:52.960 but I see it differently, and here's how I see it.

00:39:56.100 And now that would be good governance.

00:39:58.560 So is this wouldn't it be great to have a Senate or a House of Representatives that could actually do that?

00:40:03.360 Yeah, that's not going to happen. Is this why the 60s were so different?

00:40:08.280 Because you did have like I see what we've just gone through more akin to what's his name?

00:40:19.120 Malcolm X, then Martin Luther King, where it was my way or the highway.

00:40:24.720 you're wrong, I'm going to kill you for it, instead of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy 0.94

00:40:31.720 going, no, no, no, no, both things can be true. Let's reason this out. So that's what you mean by 0.96

00:40:39.200 leadership makes all the difference. Right, right, exactly. What happens is one person says,

00:40:44.660 you're not going fast enough. I reject you because this is more urgent than you realize.

00:40:49.960 But they said that about Martin Luther King. Why did he win at that time opposed to Malcolm X?

00:40:57.720 Was there something different about the culture?

00:41:01.400 Why did that win and you haven't heard those voices or those voices haven't prevailed at this time?

00:41:09.760 Think of it as voices of reason or voices of tolerance or voices of balance.

00:41:15.180 Those are three possible words for what you're describing.

00:41:17.640 Because Martin Luther King realized if I give white men an excuse to prove that I'm an enemy, if I do anything violent, if I do anything angry or mean, then I lose.

00:41:39.900 And he says, I cannot win unless I beat them by believing more in their values than they do.

00:41:47.640 And they say they believe all these things.

00:41:49.560 I'm going to demonstrate my belief in those same things and it will frustrate them.

00:41:54.340 And then when they start doing things they don't believe in, I win.

00:41:59.400 And so he was playing the long game. 0.80

00:42:01.940 Martin Luther King was playing the long game.

00:42:03.520 He suffered the consequences for it, but he knew what he was doing.

00:42:07.320 And Malcolm X was saying, no, we got to go faster.

00:42:10.680 I'm tired of this. 1.00

00:42:11.920 Let's kill Whitey. 1.00

00:42:12.740 And I'm just kind of like now, you know, you have you've got a war going on. 1.00

00:42:18.880 So I'm saying whenever you get to the point that you've lost all patience, we have a problem.

00:42:24.440 So and I don't want to get you dragged into politics and I don't know what your politics are and I don't really care.

00:42:28.980 But, you know, we had the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:42:36.460 And that's on the other side.

00:42:39.640 i mean that's at the zenith still but it's it's starting to go down and his voice seemed like

00:42:45.860 the voice that could have been the voice for this this path back down to let's just talk

00:42:53.500 let's just talk to each other um right any thoughts on no i get every a lot of i have i have

00:43:02.160 everyone mourns that murder. And I'm saying there's nobody that says, boy, that was great

00:43:10.080 that that happens. Like, no, that was bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. That was a bizarre

00:43:15.420 aberration by a nut. And those things happen. And whenever, whenever somebody is simply disappeared,

00:43:25.800 it only takes one person to do that. But is it the will of the people? Absolutely not.

00:43:30.800 I will tell you there are sections

00:43:34.000 and I don't know how big it is it could be very small

00:43:35.920 I mean I don't know anything because social media

00:43:38.140 is such a funhouse mirror

00:43:40.160 that you just don't know what's true

00:43:42.060 and what's not but there are

00:43:43.700 those that are saying this is a

00:43:46.040 good thing

00:43:46.760 and I'm hoping that those

00:43:49.840 voices are still maybe just

00:43:51.920 hepped up on

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00:43:57.440 coming back to reason

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00:46:08.340 Well, they'll have to, and I'll tell you why.

00:46:10.620 It's because, remember, Pendulum does not predict the actions of individuals or splinter groups.

00:46:20.180 It predicts the energy that will drive the masses.

00:46:24.480 And so the big majority of people will be moving in the same direction.

00:46:30.180 There will be outliers.

00:46:31.500 There will be fringe people who are just, I don't know the word.

00:46:37.520 um but the point is whenever people are headed back down to a place of let's calm down

00:46:48.180 and then somebody doesn't want to calm down they're just rejected they're just outcast

00:46:53.980 and so it's like no no if the energy is is calming and so right now it's only just

00:46:59.820 just beginning to calming look we're three years past the zenith it doesn't you don't

00:47:04.960 see real significant change till 2033 so but it's like another seven years of crap for the most part

00:47:11.520 just lighter and lighter degrees of crap but still crap yeah i and so about 2033 it will begin to

00:47:19.360 really see a light at the end of the tunnel so roy i i have i have you know i i watch patterns 0.95

00:47:28.320 not like you do. I, and I listen to people like you. Um, and there's also something in me that

00:47:35.100 I'm usually ahead of the curve a little bit on things. Um, and very often, um, I am, uh, I'm

00:47:43.740 sensing a chain and I can't put my finger on it yet, but I think this is clarifying it for me.

00:47:49.300 um i'm sensing a profound change in like podcasting and and broadcasting and everything

00:47:58.760 and what i've what i'm yearning for internally and this is how i usually judge things are

00:48:03.760 changing i just feel it internally i don't care about anybody's opinion and your hot take i want

00:48:12.280 the facts you know what i mean and and i think that those podcasters and everything else who

00:48:18.900 have built this whole empire on i'm the hottest i'm the greatest i'm the whatever um i i just

00:48:26.940 think that's that's going to be a thing of the past and it's we're going to see a completely

00:48:31.700 different kind of broadcaster or podcaster all right i want to make a comment about that i didn't

00:48:37.840 want to i wasn't going to bring this up but since you brought it up i'll tell you if you want to do

00:48:41.660 something that will give you real hope and joy. Okay. I started something on March the 5th.

00:48:50.960 So it's been about, what, seven months now, something like that, seven and a half months.

00:48:55.700 And I decided, okay, I'm going to start a YouTube channel. And it's basically just going to be a

00:49:03.660 celebration of Jesus. Not Christianity, but Jesus. Because the word Christianity carries baggage.

00:49:11.660 sometimes that just isn't accurate. And I said, now what I'm going to do, I'm going to ignore

00:49:19.380 the United States, Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. There's only about 600 million

00:49:26.860 people in the world that English is their first language. And I said, there are billions in all

00:49:32.980 24 time zones where English is their first, second language. And so I started this channel

00:49:39.900 And I'm a writer. I'm actually a shockingly good ad writer. And if you understand poetic meter, if you understand meter, then you can write song lyrics that rock. So I have a couple of songs now that are approaching 100 million views each.

00:49:55.740 all right, in seven months. And that channel has 5,450,000 subscribers in 109 nations,

00:50:07.020 none in the US, Australia, Canada, or the United Kingdom. I've got more than 100,000 subscribers

00:50:14.760 in Iraq. I have subscribers in Pakistan. I have subscribers in Singapore. And is it music-based?

00:50:22.300 what is it? Music. It's just songs I've written. I've got in over 200 songs celebrating Jesus,

00:50:28.680 celebrating the scriptures, and it rejects no one. And it doesn't say my religion is better

00:50:34.040 than yours. It says, isn't Jesus great? Isn't he a wonderful? So why is that not connecting,

00:50:40.900 do you think, in the West? Because, remember, this is what I'm doing. It's crazy. Oh my gosh,

00:50:47.200 it's the opposite. Is it the opposite? There's a thumbnail. There's a thumbnail. The thumbnail

00:50:53.240 Remember, these people understand English if they can read along with it.

00:50:57.520 So I have scrolling text, and it changes colors right on the syllable.

00:51:02.320 And so you can read with the song as it's playing.

00:51:05.620 So I'm doing video gland without video.

00:51:09.520 The scrolling text is the only video.

00:51:12.660 And so they're listening.

00:51:13.700 There's not a person to look at except watch everyone on the thumbnail, right?

00:51:17.220 Now, I've started other channels since then.

00:51:19.980 I started another one called the Great Writers Series.

00:51:22.240 I just took the great quotes of the great authors and I said, I love, I've got over 8,000 quotes

00:51:28.440 that I've transcribed from movies and TV shows and newspapers and magazines and some things

00:51:33.100 that you've said. And I'll just say, this is a really great idea. And so you put those to music

00:51:38.960 and you say, it's like, here's one I posted yesterday. You ready?

00:51:42.680 we all have a time machine this is hg wells we all have a time machine

00:51:51.960 those that carry us to the past the ones that carry us backward are memories and the one that

00:52:03.240 carries forward are dreams wow we all have a time machine the one that carries us backward

00:52:08.600 are memories. And the one that carries us forward is dreams. And I'm going, you make that into a

00:52:15.580 little song. Why is this popular? Why is this happening? What does that tell you?

00:52:21.360 Because people are looking for hope all over the world. And so what is happening in the comments,

00:52:27.180 people will say from different nations and see, because of Google Translate, I can capture

00:52:32.400 a script I don't know how to read. It's in Bangla or something or in Hindi. And I can take it,

00:52:39.500 put it in Google Translate and read what they wrote. And one guy said, I always was told you

00:52:45.720 hate us, but I no longer believe that. I believe you are my friend. And I wrote him back in his

00:52:51.240 own language. You type it into Google Translate and have it translated his script so he could

00:52:55.980 read it in his own script, you know, his own language. And I said, you are my friend and I

00:53:00.820 celebrate you, and I look forward to getting to know you. And so this happens, and this building

00:53:06.640 bridges among the people who go, I don't think maybe all Americans are the way that I've been

00:53:11.360 told. And I'm thinking maybe all people in Pakistan and Iraq aren't the way that I've been

00:53:18.000 told. And so when you go on YouTube and you have this idea, now remember, there's no ask of any

00:53:24.940 kind. There's no monetization of this channel. None. Zero. I'm not letting YouTube reward me

00:53:31.160 for this. It's like, nope. This is 100% just trying to connect with people and make everybody

00:53:38.340 feel better about each other. Glenn, all the channels I've created together as of today have

00:53:43.780 over 9 million subscribers in seven months. I'm talking over a million subscribers a month growth.

00:53:51.340 I'll be easily 10 or 12 million by Christmas.

00:53:54.280 And I'm saying I've got a handful of partners that are helping me write this stuff and produce this stuff.

00:54:00.460 And of course, we're using AI to produce the music, but it's all written by human beings.

00:54:05.440 You don't ever let AI write for you, but if you know how to write, and I have partners that really do.

00:54:12.100 And so we're publishing this stuff, scrolling text.

00:54:16.580 And every day, when you realize over a million subscribers a month, there was a window of

00:54:22.820 time, Glenn, when I was looking at it, and I'm going, okay, I've gained this many subscribers

00:54:28.000 in this amount of time, and it was 32 point something subscribers per second, 24 hours

00:54:37.820 a day for a month.

00:54:40.720 32 subscribers per second.

00:54:42.760 So that hunger in the world is there.

00:54:45.820 And if you want to have joy and hope, reach beyond the English-speaking world

00:54:51.020 and figure out a safe meeting place to engage the common people of other nations.

00:54:57.500 How can we do that in an English-speaking world?

00:55:02.020 I don't even try.

00:55:04.260 I wish I knew.

00:55:05.280 I don't have an answer.

00:55:07.520 I don't.

00:55:08.980 I wish I did.

00:55:09.740 If I did, I would be doing it.

00:55:11.040 because i'm you know that that's my thing is how do we save our civilization how do we

00:55:17.740 how do we come back together and and how do we get past this point so we go you know i had dinner

00:55:25.720 with um what was it was it rwanda that that they were killing each other the houthis and the tutus

00:55:32.880 and the not the houthis but yeah yeah yeah um and um and i had dinner with the president of of that

00:55:40.300 country and he told me how they brought people back together I don't know if you've ever heard

00:55:46.200 this story but no I haven't so I mean literally I talked to a young woman who hid under the stairs

00:55:56.680 of her house as her neighbor came in and slaughtered her whole family and she hid under

00:56:04.660 the front stairs of the house as he was slaughtering the family he was a babysitter of those 0.99

00:56:10.540 kids forever they were close friends but they were wound up into this you're my enemy kill them and

00:56:19.440 it happened that fast and they killed millions wow um and so uh she said he now babysits my children

00:56:28.820 they still live next door to each other and i said what what happened and the president told

00:56:34.820 me he said we have a tree in you know in every like you know town green every town square

00:56:40.720 and he said the instruction was every village come together and those who admit their crimes

00:56:49.600 unless they were unbelievably heinous and expanded beyond um if they will come admit

00:56:58.020 their crime, tell people where the bodies of their families are. And if the, if the people

00:57:04.880 underneath this tree believe that they're sincerely sorry, let them go. Okay. Forgive them and let

00:57:13.440 them go. Some have to be tried and go to prison for it, but most just let them go. I found that

00:57:22.080 absolutely amazing. And we're at this place. I keep asking on the air, can we just play this

00:57:27.080 game out let's just where does this end and there's only one ending that's good and that is

00:57:32.880 under the tree saying okay brother how do we you know how do we come back together

00:57:39.760 that's my goal that's my goal and i don't know how to do it i hear you and you you just articulated

00:57:47.160 as you are intensely aware uh the scriptural principle of confession and mercy yes you know

00:57:54.420 Well, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.

00:57:57.760 And I'm saying so with justice, always been with justice as well, where it needs to be

00:58:02.780 applied.

00:58:03.200 Well, no, I'm saying the point is nothing happens until you admit you were wrong and

00:58:09.840 you took a thing too far.

00:58:11.340 And until you're willing to admit you were wrong and took a thing too far, then there's

00:58:16.220 really nothing we can do.

00:58:17.340 And I'm saying, so something, I don't know what it was.

00:58:22.140 I wish I did. But something in that nation caused those people to realize we need to stop this.

00:58:28.400 And we and so somebody I don't know who was the leader who chose the tree and introduced the ritual, but it gained momentum, obviously.

00:58:36.160 um there are people right now not a lot of americans that i'm aware of but i tell you i

00:58:46.860 was wildly impressed insanely impressed with the economist mark carney of canada addressing

00:58:55.100 the leaders of the european union like three days ago if you watched like a 20 minute speech it's

00:59:01.380 like, my gosh, this is one of the great orators of our century.

00:59:06.720 Well, I would have to watch that speech.

00:59:09.680 Listen, he was so elegant.

00:59:11.020 He did not trash anybody.

00:59:12.780 He made no little innuendos or slights.

00:59:16.220 And he was just talking about what Europe offers and what Europe has accomplished and

00:59:20.980 what we're trying to do and what we are trying to accomplish.

00:59:24.080 And so and he was he was he was getting huge ovations from all these other leaders.

00:59:28.680 I'm going, we need leadership like that guy.

00:59:32.080 I'm a huge fan of Mark Carney now.

00:59:34.160 I'm going, wow, what a speech.

00:59:37.600 One of the things with Donald Trump, because I'm not a fan of Mark Carney's policies by any stretch of the imagination.

00:59:46.000 No, no, no.

00:59:46.440 I'm saying just as an orator and as a visionary.

00:59:49.580 He's expressing things.

00:59:51.040 Now, his policies, something else.

00:59:53.480 His hope is a thing you can agree with.

00:59:56.180 But as I'm watching Donald Trump work with Canada, and I'm a supporter, and I'm like, please don't, no, don't do, no, why, don't do that.

01:00:07.720 Why would you do that?

01:00:08.860 And I think it's almost like it's, it's almost like what used to feel good to a lot of people.

01:00:16.540 I know a lot of his supporters are like, I wish he would stop that now.

01:00:19.500 um and maybe that's part of the zenith coming down the other side is we we want i don't think

01:00:26.920 we'll see another donald trump style um coming i don't think that's the style that will win

01:00:33.000 in coming elections no no of course not um keep in mind his age and i'm saying you

01:00:46.220 um my mom and uh president trump i think are the same age and i i have been watching evidence of

01:00:56.100 her slipping in recent years and it's like you know you have to choose to um to remain connected

01:01:05.340 and tolerate some of the craziness that you see and i said i'm not talking about donald trump i'm

01:01:10.380 talking about my mom. And I'm saying, and so it becomes a lot of work when somebody

01:01:15.580 gets to a certain age and begins manifesting things that they didn't do in their earlier years.

01:01:24.020 And so that's just part of growing older. I have a friend named Don Kuhl, K-U-H-L,

01:01:31.120 who writes about this. As a matter of fact, he had 6,000 clients before he sold his company.

01:01:36.780 He's a publishing company. And the Justice Department of the United States was one of his clients.

01:01:42.640 And so all of the behavior modification, certified behavior modification things for everything from drunk driving to spousal abuse to whatever court ordered this.

01:01:54.560 You have to take this course. Right. He wrote all those.

01:01:57.720 And so this is a guy that understands behavior. When you're talking about confession and forgiveness and that whole dynamic.

01:02:06.780 He's one of the great experts in the world at that, and he has a thing he publishes every week, and I always read it, and he and I are very close, and he's 80-something now, and he's not yet slipping.

01:02:20.760 He still physically has been in better health in younger years, but he's still sharp as a razor.

01:02:28.220 And so that idea, what we're talking about right now, I have been plugged into what happens when a generation begins to reach their senior years and how little things that alter in them.

01:02:49.540 And Don Kuhl has kept me very aware of these things and helped me understand what I'm looking at.

01:02:55.140 And so what we're talking about right now, it doesn't make a good conversation for broadcast because it'll outrage some people.

01:03:01.500 I don't mean to do that.

01:03:02.900 Well, I don't I don't edit anything.

01:03:04.820 I don't edit anything out.

01:03:06.300 And I'm glad that because.

01:03:09.100 I don't think you and I see the I don't think you and I see this exactly the same way, but we haven't really delved into it.

01:03:14.900 But I'm having a perfectly fine conversation with you and it doesn't change my opinion of you.

01:03:19.400 And I don't think it changes your opinion of me at all.

01:03:21.400 I mean, this is the way you're supposed to be, you're supposed to be able to have conversations

01:03:28.240 with people.

01:03:29.700 And if you're outraged by this, wow, your meter of outrage is really set way too low,

01:03:37.400 way too low.

01:03:39.580 Let me ask you, because I'm running out of time and I do want to hit this.

01:03:43.460 You wrote about decisions and choices and, and as, as, as I read that, I went, oh my gosh,

01:03:50.120 I think.

01:03:51.400 That's the way I have always made.

01:03:54.780 I didn't know the difference between a decision and a choice, but I almost I almost block my path back whenever I make a decision.

01:04:04.300 I reason it out. I look, I make a decision, I pray about it, and then I do it and I block the exit.

01:04:12.080 So there's no going back. Yeah. Because once you waver, it's over.

01:04:16.380 Do you remember what was the beginning of that explanation?

01:04:21.400 pretty recently. I'm surprised you read it. Not every choice is a decision. The word decide

01:04:31.640 comes from two Latin words, de, which means off, and cadere, which means to cut. And so to decide

01:04:39.900 is to cut off and cast away every other possibility. And so when you decide, you say,

01:04:48.220 okay, I have decided. So decision, incision, precision, that word scission, right? It's like

01:04:57.840 it's a surgical thing. And when you say, so decide, cut off all options except the one you have

01:05:06.800 chosen, and don't look back. Just move forward. It gives you focus. It gives you energy. It gives

01:05:12.760 you clarity. It gives you commitment. It gives you everything you need. And there is nothing worse

01:05:18.180 than a person torn by indecision.

01:05:23.820 And the reason that more people don't decide, Glenn,

01:05:26.420 and this is one of your great strengths,

01:05:27.900 to be able to decide, to make a choice

01:05:30.800 and to cast the other ones aside and move forward.

01:05:35.820 Most people can't do it because they don't want loss.

01:05:40.960 And the truth about decisions is every decision,

01:05:45.640 by definition, comes with loss.

01:05:48.180 All these possibilities have been lost.

01:05:51.400 You have cut them off and thrown them away.

01:05:53.560 And people are looking for an answer that has no loss.

01:05:57.020 And you hear this in conversations, Glenn, when you'll say, well, this is the right thing to do.

01:06:01.060 And they go, yeah, but what about?

01:06:02.700 You go, even so, this is the right thing to do.

01:06:06.400 Well, what about this?

01:06:07.540 Even so, this is the right thing to do.

01:06:10.160 And they don't want to see anything.

01:06:12.040 They don't want to have any loss.

01:06:13.600 They don't want to see anything cast aside.

01:06:16.660 And no, you cannot move forward until you decide.

01:06:21.600 And not every choice is a decision.

01:06:23.540 You don't have to lose with a choice, but with a decision, something will be lost.

01:06:28.880 And you have to make peace with that.

01:06:31.160 I think that is one of the best.

01:06:32.420 I think it's one of the best explanations on even on life, but also business.

01:06:38.200 I mean, you'll fail.

01:06:40.180 You don't decide.

01:06:42.120 You'll fail.

01:06:43.260 You'll fail.

01:06:43.720 um it is always it is always so good to talk to you and i'm so happy for your success you know i

01:06:49.020 always enjoy talking to you i really do thank you thank you i think you're doing a wonderful work

01:06:53.920 and um i i hope that people will follow your open-mindedness are you because uh you have the

01:07:02.120 ability to be a leader in that direction thank you do you uh have you decided to print the book

01:07:08.580 again last time i talked to you it's like no heavens no why it is such an important book

01:07:14.200 well listen it's still available the point is i get too much crap about it people want to label

01:07:23.800 me with things that i'm not and i'm going nope did you know all of my conservative friend thinks

01:07:28.700 i'm a raging liberal and all my liberal friends think i'm a raging conservative

01:07:31.880 Nobody accepts me as a guy that can look at both and see what both sides of it.

01:07:38.800 People don't want that.

01:07:40.000 They want you to choose.

01:07:41.000 And I'm going, no, this is not where I have to choose.

01:07:43.860 This is not a thing I have to choose between.

01:07:46.060 I can stand between these two energies and just feel the electricity and live with it.

01:07:50.180 So great.

01:07:51.180 God bless you.

01:07:52.180 We'll talk again.

01:07:53.180 Thank you.

01:07:54.180 Thank you, Glenn.

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 24, 2026

Ep 288 ｜ The Man Who Can Predict the Future ｜ Roy H. Williams ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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