The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 32 ｜ Arthur Brooks ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.200 This is going to be a podcast you will want to listen to all the way to the end.

00:00:06.480 For 12 years, our guest was a professional French hornist,

00:00:11.480 which I don't even know if that's what you call it.

00:00:14.200 He's a guy who played the French horn.

00:00:16.020 Is that a hornist? Because it sounds bad.

00:00:17.700 Anyway, he was with the Annapolis Brass Quintet,

00:00:20.340 then at City Orchestra of Barcelona.

00:00:23.200 Then he was a professor of French horn.

00:00:25.420 After that, he worked as a professor at Syracuse University,

00:00:28.860 where he taught economics and social entrepreneurship.

00:00:32.540 I guess the horn thing didn't work out.

00:00:34.380 Currently, he is the president of the American Enterprise Institute,

00:00:37.780 but he is leaving that position this summer,

00:00:40.980 and he's going to begin teaching at the Harvard Kennedy School and Harvard Business School.

00:00:46.060 His latest book is Love Your Enemy,

00:00:48.740 How Decent People Can Save America from the Culture of Contempt.

00:00:52.960 It came out in early March.

00:00:54.700 He's a bestseller on the USA Today and New York Times list.

00:00:59.580 He's also a columnist for The Washington Post,

00:01:02.120 host of the podcast The Arthur Brooks Show,

00:01:04.900 bestselling author of 11 books on topics including the role of government,

00:01:09.120 fairness, economic opportunity, happiness,

00:01:11.260 and the morality of free enterprise.

00:01:14.680 Don't miss a minute of this episode with Arthur Brooks.

00:01:19.480 What's happened to us?

00:01:35.260 Who are we today?

00:01:38.580 We're the Americans we always were.

00:01:42.060 But it's a hard time.

00:01:43.400 It's a hard time because after a financial crisis and all the stresses and strains,

00:01:49.500 the belief that people in Washington, people who are in charge, have left us behind,

00:01:55.400 we get a dignity gap.

00:01:57.320 There's a lot of despair when you travel around this country,

00:01:59.740 and that despair is metastasized into something really dangerous,

00:02:03.140 which is contempt.

00:02:05.140 The belief that somebody who disagrees with you is utterly worthless.

00:02:07.860 The populism in Washington, the despair in the country,

00:02:11.880 the fact that economic growth has largely been focused on just the top 20% of the income distribution,

00:02:17.800 this has kind of made up nasty mix of circumstances,

00:02:21.400 an ecosystem that's really dangerous.

00:02:22.960 Now put in social media and anonymity.

00:02:27.060 All this together has created this environment that we see today

00:02:30.680 where we're still Americans.

00:02:32.940 We're just not ourselves.

00:02:34.740 Are we misjudging each other?

00:02:40.380 For instance, the border.

00:02:42.540 I'm convinced that the cry for a border wall is not really a cry for a border wall.

00:02:50.780 It's a cry.

00:02:51.740 It's a, I have trusted you to take care of our problems.

00:02:57.900 I've trusted you that you cared about somebody coming in with ill intent,

00:03:02.880 somebody coming in with drugs,

00:03:05.060 um, people coming in and, and doing nefarious things.

00:03:09.340 I trusted you for so long and you keep telling me you want to fix it. 0.88

00:03:13.080 And then you don't, I want a wall, not because I'm afraid of America, because of Mexicans. 1.00

00:03:18.620 I want a wall because I don't believe you actually mean this.

00:03:24.140 And if I don't have a permanent wall, you can do whatever you want.

00:03:29.000 But when the next guy comes in or when you don't have to be reelected,

00:03:32.960 you're going to stop taking care of these things.

00:03:35.820 And, and I think a lot of the frustration that's happening that is being,

00:03:39.980 being made into, oh, you're a racist. 0.79

00:03:43.380 Is actually, I don't trust the government anymore.

00:03:50.060 I don't trust people in power anymore.

00:03:53.380 And I want something fixed that used to be common sense.

00:03:59.340 You know, there are a lot of issues like this that happen in times of real political polarization,

00:04:03.680 where it's not about the specific political case at hand.

00:04:07.460 These are avatar issues.

00:04:09.080 You know, you'll see, by the way, the left on the political left in America,

00:04:13.020 we're talking effectively about open borders.

00:04:15.600 You know, the Democratic Party doesn't want open borders.

00:04:18.500 They've never talked about open borders before,

00:04:20.520 but the reason they are is to be in contrast to what they think Trump is talking about.

00:04:25.320 And the people who support Donald Trump are saying what they're saying about the wall,

00:04:28.520 to be in contrast to what they believe the other side believes.

00:04:32.040 And, you know, in these times of incredible polarization, we, we do theater.

00:04:35.640 This is kind of, and again,

00:04:37.140 I understand it's important to have sovereignty.

00:04:39.320 I understand it's important to have rule of law,

00:04:41.580 but a lot of the times in the discussions that we have,

00:04:44.300 we're trying to set ourselves apart from the other side.

00:04:47.420 We're actually making issues that have traditionally not been at the center of the American conversation

00:04:52.180 into those that are, because we can get the daylight,

00:04:55.180 the maximum amount of daylight between the two sides.

00:04:57.380 And I think that's a perfect example.

00:04:59.160 Is that just politics?

00:05:00.760 It's not just politics. It's culture.

00:05:02.580 We're more polarized as a country than we've been at any time since the Civil War.

00:05:05.940 A lot of data show this one in six Americans have stopped talking to a family member,

00:05:11.100 a close friend because of politics since the 2016 election.

00:05:13.700 And, and here's the kicker, Glenn, 93% of Americans hate it.

00:05:18.160 93% of us say it's not the best country.

00:05:20.780 We are not who we're supposed to be.

00:05:22.600 And we hate how divided we become.

00:05:24.160 So I say this, I mean, you and I are on the same, I mean, I think not, not just the same book,

00:05:33.080 but the same page of the book.

00:05:35.200 Personal values and public values.

00:05:36.280 Right. And, and, and lift yourself up above this and encourage people by having courage.

00:05:46.040 That's contagious and encourage others to do the same.

00:05:49.760 But you'll, I know it.

00:05:52.000 I don't need a poll to tell me, I know people in America are tired of this.

00:05:56.920 They don't want to feel this way.

00:05:58.440 But when you talk to them, they will all say, well, they're not going to stop.

00:06:03.680 Right.

00:06:03.920 They're just not going to stop.

00:06:05.220 And I look at the two sides and I think they're right.

00:06:10.120 They're not going to stop.

00:06:11.600 Neither side is going to stop.

00:06:12.420 Neither side is going to stop.

00:06:13.620 Right. But most of us are kind of weirdly in the middle on this.

00:06:18.280 So when I say 93% of Americans hate how divided we become as a country, that's true.

00:06:22.600 That doesn't mean 93% of us don't have opinions.

00:06:25.180 Correct.

00:06:25.460 Look, I'm, I'm a political conservative.

00:06:26.680 So are you?

00:06:27.400 I have strong opinions.

00:06:28.460 I go hammer and tongs after the stuff that I think about. 0.99

00:06:31.000 But I don't think that people who disagree with me are stupid and evil. 0.96

00:06:35.220 On the contrary, I mean, everybody listening to us, everybody watching us on YouTube right 0.98

00:06:39.000 now, they love somebody with whom they disagree politically and they're bitter and they're

00:06:43.240 angry about the fact that they're being told that they have to repudiate their mother-in-law

00:06:47.140 or somebody who, you know, somebody, their mother, their sister, they don't like it.

00:06:51.620 Right.

00:06:52.240 The problem is they got, they have no team.

00:06:55.160 And furthermore, there's, there is a little bit of a culprit here.

00:06:58.520 The 7% that don't hate how divided we become as a country are dining out on it.

00:07:03.960 You know, we have a whole outrage industrial complex and politics and media on campuses.

00:07:09.900 You know, people who are basically getting rich and powerful and famous saying the other 1.00

00:07:13.400 side is stupid and evil. 0.99

00:07:14.960 Look, I disagree strongly because with other people, because disagreement is the essence 1.00

00:07:19.320 of the competition of ideas makes America great.

00:07:22.300 Disagreement's good.

00:07:23.260 We shouldn't agree because agreement leaves a stagnation and mediocrity.

00:07:26.960 And, you know, one candidate elections and terrible, you know, one product in the stores.

00:07:32.140 We don't want that.

00:07:33.560 I don't want to live that way.

00:07:35.100 But I don't want to hate the people who disagree with me because I don't hate the people who

00:07:39.580 disagree with me.

00:07:40.340 I want to compete on these ideas with them.

00:07:43.200 And basically when we have 7% or whatever minority ginning up the hatred between the

00:07:47.600 two sides, then you can be in this disequilibrium where 93% of the people say they don't like

00:07:52.000 how the country is acting.

00:07:53.740 Don't like how we're fighting each other all the time and hating each other all the time,

00:07:57.520 treating each other with contempt.

00:07:58.480 But at the same time, they don't know what to do.

00:08:01.260 And so they're on one side or the other.

00:08:02.880 So what do they do?

00:08:04.180 The first thing to remember is that it's really not about just getting a better president

00:08:08.980 or Congress or government.

00:08:10.600 It's not going to change anything.

00:08:11.200 It's not.

00:08:11.740 What's going to happen is we need an interior revolution, Glenn.

00:08:14.720 This is interesting.

00:08:15.540 You know, I was thinking about this for a long time.

00:08:17.000 You know, I'm an institutional guy.

00:08:18.660 You know, I live in Washington, D.C.

00:08:19.720 I run a big think tank.

00:08:21.100 You know, I talk to politicians like you.

00:08:23.340 You know, I talk to, I've known presidents of the United States.

00:08:25.980 It's a great life.

00:08:27.520 And I always think there's got to be an institutional answer.

00:08:29.600 But there isn't.

00:08:30.620 Whenever it comes to hatred, whenever it comes to relationship problems, that's an interior

00:08:35.760 revolution.

00:08:36.680 That's a social movement that starts inside each person's heart.

00:08:39.940 And here's basically how it works.

00:08:41.460 Look, nobody in history has ever been insulted into agreement.

00:08:45.660 Ever. 1.00

00:08:46.100 And that means when we're saying that I'm right and you're stupid and evil, that's a 1.00

00:08:50.360 counterproductive. 1.00

00:08:51.500 It's a very, it's a, it's an ineffective way of arguing.

00:08:54.880 Now, there are people getting rich making those arguments, but we will never prosper on

00:08:58.840 the basis of that.

00:08:59.600 So we're not persuasive.

00:09:01.120 Nobody's persuading anybody.

00:09:02.440 Number two, we're unhappy.

00:09:04.420 We find that actually the current climate where we treat each other with contempt in this

00:09:07.860 country with a bitter polarization is leading to higher levels of depression, higher levels

00:09:11.440 of loneliness, higher levels of anger, higher levels of stress.

00:09:15.760 In other words, when we are treated with contempt and we treat other people with contempt, we're

00:09:19.460 not as happy as we could be.

00:09:20.940 And number three, we hate how it's turning the country apart.

00:09:23.640 Lose, lose, lose.

00:09:25.620 The answer to that is not that I am going to change the whole country.

00:09:29.440 The answer to that is that Arthur's going to change Arthur.

00:09:32.980 So I wrote Love Your Enemies as a way to say, this is my declaration of independence, man.

00:09:37.800 I'm not declaring bankruptcy.

00:09:39.200 I'm declaring independence.

00:09:40.400 Independence, independence from the outrage industrial complex, independence from the contempt

00:09:45.180 that's ripping my country apart because I refuse not to love my fellow Americans.

00:09:50.820 I want to be more persuasive.

00:09:52.760 I want to be happier.

00:09:54.300 I want to do something good for America.

00:09:56.720 So I've, you know, after I left Fox, the year I joined Fox, I was at-

00:10:03.300 It was a great year, by the way.

00:10:04.420 We watched it.

00:10:05.300 I was like, I was on Fox at 5 p.m.

00:10:06.780 every day.

00:10:07.440 So in 2008, I'm voted the third or fourth most admired man in the world. 1.00

00:10:14.620 You know, that stupid poll that comes out. 0.99

00:10:16.740 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:17.100 Shows how stupid America really is. 1.00

00:10:19.180 I was, it was in between Nelson Mandela and the Pope. 1.00

00:10:22.980 I was tied with one of them.

00:10:24.360 I don't remember.

00:10:25.060 And, uh, and, and we just had a laugh. 0.80

00:10:28.400 We were like, this is ridiculous.

00:10:30.440 Go to Fox in a year. 0.90

00:10:33.240 I'm hated by half of the country saying the same things that I said on CNN, just a different

00:10:38.880 megaphone now.

00:10:40.240 And, um, and hated by half the country.

00:10:42.960 So I'm there for a couple of years and I leave and, and I really do some soul searching

00:10:49.660 on, okay, so if you had to do it all over again, cause you see the result, what would

00:10:54.660 you do?

00:10:55.420 Right.

00:10:55.720 And if I had the same knowledge, exactly the same thing.

00:10:58.740 I did my best.

00:10:59.600 But if I had today's knowledge, if I knew now or then what I know now, I'd do it differently.

00:11:05.200 How would you do it differently?

00:11:06.700 Um, I would, um, uh, I would never point the finger.

00:11:15.940 I would never, um, uh, make declarative broad statements on movements or people.

00:11:25.800 Ah.

00:11:26.860 Okay.

00:11:27.340 So, so let me see if I'm, if I'm stating this right, you would separate more ideas that you

00:11:32.140 disagree with, with the people who hold them.

00:11:34.500 I would try everything I could to not talk about people, but ideas, right?

00:11:40.560 That's really hard to do when you're talking about the news, but that's where we go wrong.

00:11:45.480 So I, I, I say to people, cause I've really reflected and I thought, okay, I spent two

00:11:52.580 years talking about the things that were coming right on a lot of them, right?

00:11:57.700 Talking about what is happening, how this system works.

00:12:02.260 And it, it didn't make a dent with anyone who is except on my team.

00:12:08.340 Okay.

00:12:09.700 That's not a winning strategy.

00:12:11.320 That's not a persuasive strategy.

00:12:13.580 And now the left is doing the same.

00:12:16.400 The right is still doing it.

00:12:18.520 Right.

00:12:18.720 And I'm watching it and I'm saying, guys, this doesn't work.

00:12:22.120 We're locked down.

00:12:22.680 We're totally locked down.

00:12:23.620 Totally locked down.

00:12:24.640 Yeah.

00:12:24.780 So when I say this to people, they say, but you have to, and I say, you don't have to

00:12:31.580 do anything.

00:12:33.620 Convince, you don't have to convince me, convince somebody that pretend I'm that person who says,

00:12:40.780 you can't do that.

00:12:42.280 Somebody on the, let's say somebody on who agrees with us in politics, somebody on the

00:12:45.580 right. 0.74

00:12:46.320 And they say, look, the people who say these things on the left, they are evil people. 0.98

00:12:51.560 They're wicked. 0.90

00:12:52.820 They're not just wrong. 0.75

00:12:54.300 They want something as bad for America.

00:12:56.060 And I'm going to stand up and I'm going to say it.

00:12:58.020 I've heard this many times.

00:12:59.080 I've heard this many times.

00:13:00.140 And my answer to that is, okay, what's your objective?

00:13:03.400 Do you want to live in a one party state?

00:13:05.760 Are you grateful to not live in a one party state?

00:13:08.480 Then you just told me you're grateful for the other party.

00:13:11.420 Are you grateful that you live in a place where there can be a competition of ideas?

00:13:15.720 Then you're grateful for the other side on that competition of ideas.

00:13:19.200 Furthermore, what if you could do anything you wanted and there were wicked people?

00:13:23.620 Do you want to kick them out of America? 0.88

00:13:25.040 Do you want to put them in jail?

00:13:26.460 Do you want to hurt them?

00:13:27.760 I'm going to say, no, I know what you really want.

00:13:30.400 I bet.

00:13:31.300 I bet you want to persuade them.

00:13:32.560 I bet that you really in your heart of hearts, don't hate them.

00:13:36.660 You want them to think differently because you love your ideas so much and you think they're

00:13:41.380 so good for America.

00:13:42.520 Okay.

00:13:43.320 Let's talk about persuasion.

00:13:44.620 How many people have you persuaded this week, this month, this year, this decade?

00:13:48.660 How many people? 1.00

00:13:50.200 You're stupid and evil. 1.00

00:13:51.220 It has never persuaded anybody in the history of humanity. 1.00

00:13:54.200 And by the way, it's morally bereft because you love people with whom you disagree politically. 1.00

00:14:00.000 So to say that people on the other side are stupid and evil, you're talking about your 1.00

00:14:03.340 mom. 1.00

00:14:04.340 And furthermore, you're putting up with some talk show host saying that about your mom.

00:14:08.440 Shame on you.

00:14:09.420 Fight for your mom.

00:14:10.460 So if it's impractical and it's immoral, it's time to change.

00:14:16.340 Let's be persuasive for the, for, for what don't agree.

00:14:20.940 I mean, agreements for chumps agreements for mediocre places and mediocre people, unless 1.00

00:14:26.780 you're really are in agreement.

00:14:27.840 But if you're not, don't give in.

00:14:29.180 But if you can't actually disagree with respect and love, look, we're not talking about terrorists

00:14:34.120 kicking down your door.

00:14:35.300 You're talking about Americans who disagree with you and maybe strongly disagree with

00:14:39.540 you.

00:14:39.780 But this is the freest, most prosperous country in the history of the world built by people

00:14:45.260 who risked their lives running away from the jackbooted thug and the knock in the night

00:14:49.460 so that they could have a competition of ideas.

00:14:51.900 Shame on us if we can't pursue that competition.

00:14:53.860 Don't you understand that these are the jackbooted thugs that are coming?

00:14:58.780 They're talking about ending the free market.

00:15:01.580 They're talking about getting into bed with people like Google and monitoring everybody

00:15:08.180 and taking away our health care and our choices. 0.84

00:15:11.500 They're there.

00:15:12.600 They actually are talking now about killing children after right after they're born. 0.79

00:15:17.960 Don't you see? 0.97

00:15:19.020 These are those guys.

00:15:20.640 You know, the problem that we have when I talk to people on the hard left, they can't

00:15:26.120 tell the difference between an average Trump supporter and a Nazi.

00:15:29.100 They can't.

00:15:29.980 And the reason is because they're in their silos and they have been hearing from their

00:15:33.120 media figures and from the college professors and they've been hearing from their from the

00:15:36.640 politicians in the extreme wing of their party that there's no real difference between

00:15:41.100 people who have strong views with which they disagree and in historically murderous, tyrannical

00:15:46.580 regimes around the world.

00:15:47.760 And you know what is happening on the right to, you know, we're saying that any run of

00:15:51.980 the mill Bernie Sanders supporters is no supporters no different than a Stalinist.

00:15:55.740 Well, man, we got to get out of the house more.

00:15:57.940 We got to remember that that is just that's a that it's a it's a huge distinction between

00:16:02.820 Americans who disagree with us.

00:16:03.980 We are very far away from these extremes.

00:16:06.320 Now, again, it's OK that we strongly disagree.

00:16:09.140 It's OK to say on anything from the border to abortion to say, no, no, you're I believe that 1.00

00:16:13.780 your ideas are completely wrong, but that's different than saying so, therefore, you're

00:16:17.720 a Stalinist or a Nazi because you foreclosed any possibility of making any progress.

00:16:22.540 And you basically said, I got I got basically only two scenarios, either I lose or you lose.

00:16:29.680 And in America, we can't make progress when we have that Manichaean situation, when we have

00:16:34.240 that black and white situation just won't work.

00:16:36.420 That was another problem.

00:16:37.540 I think I would do differently.

00:16:39.160 I don't know how, though, is I talked about the Nazis a lot.

00:16:43.680 Right.

00:16:44.300 But I wasn't calling people Nazis.

00:16:47.040 I was saying these are the seeds.

00:16:50.080 Yeah.

00:16:50.540 And and if it's not, if it's planted.

00:16:54.080 The next party will just water that, too.

00:16:57.400 Right.

00:16:57.940 It's it's whoever in the end grabs the pendulum because of so much chaos that has been created

00:17:05.620 on the ground by all this arguing.

00:17:08.240 Yeah.

00:17:08.420 No, that's actually this.

00:17:09.340 This is the perfect ecosystem for us to actually lose our our ability to have a competition

00:17:13.800 of ideas in the first place, because somebody will say, look, this is chaos.

00:17:16.460 And sooner, sooner or later, people will throw up their hands and say, all right, all right.

00:17:20.900 Yeah.

00:17:21.220 This is a mess.

00:17:22.020 We can't do anything.

00:17:22.720 We go, you know, the Democrats are in charge.

00:17:24.460 Nothing gets done.

00:17:25.420 Then the Republicans are in.

00:17:26.600 They take everything and make these wild promises and nothing gets done.

00:17:29.640 And it goes back and forth.

00:17:30.640 And, you know, I don't know.

00:17:32.160 I'm not so sure about the democracy thing anymore.

00:17:33.900 That's a threat to democracy.

00:17:35.060 You know, it's interesting because, you know, you talk about you wish you had when you were

00:17:38.920 at Fox in those Fox years that you had separated people from their ideas more.

00:17:43.820 And, you know, I wish I'd done that, too.

00:17:46.340 You know, it's the same thing.

00:17:47.520 It's like none of us is is without blame.

00:17:50.920 I know.

00:17:51.260 And, you know, I saw none of us.

00:17:53.800 I mean, I don't mean just the people.

00:17:55.940 I mean, people who have never spoken on television or radio, just in their own home.

00:18:01.640 All of us treating people with contempt.

00:18:03.460 And, you know, contempt is the conviction of other worthlessness of another person.

00:18:07.500 Anger is not problematic.

00:18:09.080 You know, anger, according to specialists in marital reconciliation, anger is uncorrelated

00:18:13.560 with separation and divorce.

00:18:14.700 You know, thank God I'm married to a Spaniard.

00:18:16.320 So, you know.

00:18:16.700 But it's it's contempt where you take anger and you mix it with disgust that becomes a

00:18:22.280 toxic compound.

00:18:23.320 It's kind of like, you know, chlorine and bleach.

00:18:25.540 You put it together, you get chlorine gas and it kills you.

00:18:29.860 There's a guy named John Gottman who teaches the University of Washington in Seattle.

00:18:32.660 He's the world's leading expert on bringing couples together.

00:18:35.120 He's a hero and he has a marriage laboratory and he can predict with 94 percent accuracy

00:18:39.560 if a couple will be divorced within three years with one session.

00:18:43.760 And what he's looking for is contempt.

00:18:45.400 He's looking for these expressions like eye rolling, sarcastic jokes, derision, dismissal

00:18:50.580 of another person.

00:18:51.280 That's how the that's how people are talking on television.

00:18:54.080 That's how people are talking about the Thanksgiving table around the Thanksgiving table.

00:18:57.920 That's how they talk to family members.

00:18:59.700 It's not right.

00:19:00.820 You know, and so the big problem, if we want to declare war on this, we actually have to

00:19:04.380 declare war on the communications habits that have been cultivated within us such that we

00:19:08.780 can listen to other people really listen to what their moral principles are and engage

00:19:14.380 them at that level.

00:19:15.160 And then then disagree.

00:19:17.940 If you listen, really listen, not trying to win, not trying to not listen while thinking,

00:19:26.060 OK, I got to remember that because I have to say this.

00:19:29.260 Just listen.

00:19:30.520 Put your shield down.

00:19:31.720 Right.

00:19:32.420 I have found.

00:19:35.640 That both the right and the left, I'm not talking about the fringe crazies, both the

00:19:41.420 right and the left generally outside of Washington are saying the same thing.

00:19:48.000 We're frustrated with exactly the same thing.

00:19:52.340 Right.

00:19:52.480 And we're being told it's them on each side.

00:19:57.100 No, no, no.

00:19:58.420 It might be you guys.

00:20:00.600 It might be Washington.

00:20:02.140 That is that we're all saying this isn't working because we're not following certain

00:20:07.220 principles.

00:20:07.940 And we've lost the mooring of those principles in our own self, in our own home.

00:20:13.160 Yes.

00:20:14.140 That we can't recognize when somebody when the system has lost it.

00:20:18.560 So it's not just them.

00:20:19.860 No, it's us.

00:20:20.480 It's us.

00:20:20.980 Yes.

00:20:21.320 It starts with us.

00:20:22.180 Jordan Peterson is super popular these days.

00:20:24.300 He probably had him on your show.

00:20:25.720 Yeah.

00:20:25.960 He's phenomenal.

00:20:26.980 The reason that Jordan Peterson is so, in my view, is such a big phenomenon right now,

00:20:31.680 particularly among young men, is because he calls people to personal revolution.

00:20:34.660 This is the point of my book is calling people to personal revolution.

00:20:37.600 Jordan Peterson basically says, you know that evil out there with the other guys, the other

00:20:40.740 guys, the other guys.

00:20:41.620 It's in your heart, too.

00:20:43.620 If you want to take on evil and you want progress, if you want things to be better, be the master

00:20:48.320 of yourself.

00:20:49.560 Conquer yourself.

00:20:50.520 And people are like, can I do it?

00:20:52.340 Can I do that?

00:20:53.040 Can I do that?

00:20:54.460 Is that possible for me to do?

00:20:55.760 Yes.

00:20:56.660 No, no, no.

00:20:57.060 It's not just possible.

00:20:58.140 You must do that.

00:20:59.580 You must be the master of yourself.

00:21:01.520 Take your happiness.

00:21:02.720 Grab your happiness.

00:21:04.240 Grab the love to which you're entitled.

00:21:06.260 And the only way that you do that is willing the good of the other, even if you disagree with

00:21:09.940 the other, you know, and so that's the key.

00:21:12.200 I mean, yeah, it's true.

00:21:13.420 We haven't been represented well with leaders in Washington.

00:21:15.800 It's true.

00:21:16.340 They have not listened enough.

00:21:17.560 But you know what else?

00:21:19.300 You know, there are people all over this country that have lost the frontier spirit, 0.51

00:21:23.220 the entrepreneurial startup life that basically says that when things aren't right, I got

00:21:28.460 to do something about it.

00:21:30.400 You know, it's it's it's in the United States goes through phases like this.

00:21:33.720 You see this all throughout history.

00:21:35.020 Every 50 years or so, we go through a phase like this where we have a bad economic

00:21:39.540 circumstance, people who are demobilized, people who blame leaders.

00:21:43.280 We get populism and the whole thing falls apart and we start again.

00:21:47.360 And this is not the first time that this has happened.

00:21:49.340 So let's watch to the end of the movie and say, what is the personal revolution I need

00:21:52.500 within?

00:21:52.800 How can I grab my happiness?

00:21:54.040 How can I show more love?

00:21:55.480 How can I be more persuasive, happier, more successful and help my country?

00:21:59.380 And if we can start that social movement, Glenn, I actually am more optimistic than I've

00:22:03.780 been in a long, long time.

00:22:05.120 OK, so how?

00:22:08.320 It starts with the revolution within asking ourselves, what am I trying to do?

00:22:14.900 You know, what is the outcome that I want to see?

00:22:17.560 Do I actually want people to be more bitter, angrier or hostile?

00:22:22.340 Do I want more hatred or do I want more love?

00:22:25.600 Now, for most of us, that's a question that answers itself.

00:22:28.600 I want more love.

00:22:29.600 I want to experience more love and I want other period people to experience more love.

00:22:33.640 Can I push back on this?

00:22:34.520 Please do.

00:22:36.260 I have found, and what's amazing to me, I have found so many diehard Christians who

00:22:43.580 say, the Jesus stuff won't work.

00:22:47.980 Yeah.

00:22:48.580 And I'm like, I think that's what Judas said.

00:22:51.860 Yeah, I know.

00:22:53.300 It worked then.

00:22:55.360 It worked for Lincoln.

00:22:56.340 It worked for Gandhi. 0.90

00:22:57.840 It worked for Martin Luther King.

00:22:59.200 What makes you say it won't work?

00:23:03.180 People of faith have lost their faith that love is the most revolutionary.

00:23:11.340 Now, most of the people who are making that argument, it's one of two things happening.

00:23:15.500 The first is that they're in a very short term time horizon.

00:23:17.820 If you've only got three weeks, then you'll get out the negative power tools all day long.

00:23:22.820 But if you're playing the long game, if you're playing for five years, 10 years, the rest

00:23:28.280 of my life.

00:23:29.340 Eternity.

00:23:30.000 They'll say, I know, but they'll say we don't have that.

00:23:32.580 Yeah.

00:23:32.940 Well, okay.

00:23:33.320 So I got that.

00:23:35.380 But I also recognize that, you know, the people who were most effective were the people who

00:23:40.440 were playing the long game.

00:23:41.920 You know, Martin Luther King, it was, you know, he was playing, look, when he, when he

00:23:45.680 died, when he was assassinated, he was at 33% popularity of his ideas.

00:23:49.640 Today, 95%.

00:23:50.600 He won.

00:23:52.100 What are we trying to do?

00:23:53.180 Are we trying to have satisfaction in the next four weeks?

00:23:56.360 Or are we actually trying to save America?

00:23:58.600 What are we trying to do?

00:23:59.720 Try to convince people, because I've tried to do it, that Bonhoeffer won.

00:24:03.620 Absolutely.

00:24:04.460 He was hung in the woods, alone.

00:24:07.760 Yeah.

00:24:08.340 Killed.

00:24:08.860 I know.

00:24:09.200 I mean, but he won.

00:24:10.400 I know.

00:24:10.680 If you read the second letter of St. Paul to Corinthians, it's got that desperate language, and you 0.86

00:24:15.780 can tell St. Paul is going like, I don't know if this is working.

00:24:19.600 I don't know.

00:24:20.660 And he's frustrated, and he's angry, and he created Christian theology. 0.52

00:24:28.260 Christianity is, we understand it as a religion comes out of the way that St. Paul taught.

00:24:33.680 We can't expect to win in the time horizon that we are going to most enjoy.

00:24:38.840 The question is, what are we trying to do?

00:24:40.900 Do I want to have more love in the world?

00:24:43.440 Do I want a better country?

00:24:45.100 Do I want America to continue to be a gift to the world or not?

00:24:48.520 Look, you and I have talked many times about capitalism.

00:24:51.520 Capitalism is a long game.

00:24:53.700 The reason I came into the free enterprise movement is because poverty is the thing that

00:24:57.460 I care about the most, because I recognize that since 1970, two billion of my brothers

00:25:01.380 and sisters have been pulled out of poverty by one thing, which is the American free enterprise 0.95

00:25:05.560 system spreading around the world.

00:25:07.100 If I had gone three weeks to three weeks, or four weeks to four weeks, or even year to

00:25:11.140 year, I would have said, yeah, big government programs and socialism, they work better.

00:25:15.560 They work better as the short-term power tools.

00:25:18.520 But I'm saying, dude, I got a 50-year time horizon because I want two billion fewer people

00:25:23.840 who are earning their success.

00:25:25.440 If that's our gift to the world, you have to think on a long time frame.

00:25:30.560 And if you want more love in the world, hating on the short-term is not going to get you there.

00:25:35.640 And if you're actually trying to practice the gospel of Jesus Christ, then short-term hatred

00:25:41.720 is not going to get you to that goal either.

00:25:44.000 It just isn't.

00:25:45.460 It's not compatible with what he taught.

00:25:47.960 He did get angry.

00:25:49.240 He turned over the tables of the money changers.

00:25:51.460 But at the same time, he was working, what he wanted was to change the hearts of the

00:25:56.400 other people.

00:25:56.980 Why?

00:25:57.200 Because he had love for everybody, including his tormentors.

00:26:01.020 He said, Matthew 5, 44, love your enemies.

00:26:04.500 He didn't say kill your enemies, hate your enemies.

00:26:06.700 He said, love your enemies.

00:26:07.760 Do good to those who harm you.

00:26:09.640 Because that was the ultimate long-term strategy.

00:26:21.460 I can tell you that I have a hard time relating to Christ.

00:26:26.480 You know what I mean?

00:26:27.080 He's a pretty hard figure to do.

00:26:28.220 Yeah.

00:26:28.620 It's kind of hard.

00:26:29.600 You're kind of like, love your enemies.

00:26:30.820 Well, yeah, but you're Jesus.

00:26:32.420 Yeah.

00:26:32.660 I know we're close to Jesus.

00:26:34.900 All right?

00:26:36.240 But I read, I read Paul.

00:26:40.640 Yeah.

00:26:40.920 And I read, um, just, just reading, uh, letters of Peter or, or, or, or just reading, um, um,

00:26:50.560 the opening of, of acts, the first two chapters where he lays out, you got to be together.

00:26:56.580 You have to be of one mind.

00:26:59.140 Then you're going to be influenced.

00:27:01.660 You all come together, make sure you're going to be influenced and things are going to happen,

00:27:06.140 but they're going to say horrible things.

00:27:09.340 Miracles are going to happen.

00:27:10.660 Right.

00:27:10.920 They're going to see it.

00:27:12.160 They're going to deny it.

00:27:13.380 They're going to tear you down, but love them.

00:27:16.460 Right.

00:27:16.840 Love them.

00:27:17.680 Right.

00:27:17.880 And you see Paul all the way through.

00:27:20.220 He lays out.

00:27:22.080 He's, he's more calculated.

00:27:23.500 Jesus was just Jesus. 0.95

00:27:25.480 Paul's more calculated.

00:27:26.860 You know what I mean?

00:27:27.760 He's waiting to be taken to the steps to be whipped.

00:27:32.040 And he's like, Hey, hang on just a second.

00:27:34.100 I just, I want to talk to these people for a second.

00:27:36.440 And he's amazing because he, he has the same pattern over and over again.

00:27:44.300 You know, I really like when he's on Mars Hill, you know, I come here.

00:27:48.280 He, they got all these gods.

00:27:49.480 Yeah.

00:27:49.800 Come here.

00:27:50.440 It's, I think it's in the scripture where it says you're too religious.

00:27:53.580 That's not what it, that's not right.

00:27:55.240 He didn't mean you're too religious.

00:27:56.560 He meant you guys, man, I've come here.

00:27:58.620 I see all these gods everywhere.

00:28:00.540 You guys are really super religious.

00:28:02.360 I even found a God, I haven't found a temple dedicated to a God with no name.

00:28:07.840 Right.

00:28:08.100 And he used, he is, he talks, I read it even in your poetry.

00:28:12.500 Yeah.

00:28:12.940 He knows them.

00:28:14.520 He's found a way to love them.

00:28:16.620 Yeah.

00:28:17.000 He admires what they've done.

00:28:19.260 Then he finds the door of the unknown God and says, by the way, I know who that one is.

00:28:25.360 Yeah.

00:28:25.820 And they listen.

00:28:26.880 Yeah.

00:28:27.300 And why, why?

00:28:28.060 Because he made moral common cause with them.

00:28:29.800 But, but Glenn, there's also, you know, people listening to us are going to be like, yeah,

00:28:32.980 Glenn and Arthur, you know, those guys are really lucky guys.

00:28:35.840 They've got a really good platform.

00:28:37.240 Easy for those guys to stand up there and say, love your enemies.

00:28:40.980 Right.

00:28:41.760 But, but you know what?

00:28:43.320 It's an incredibly practical self-interested argument that I'm making too.

00:28:47.520 Because the one thing that I know is that you'll never persuade anybody who doesn't already

00:28:52.000 agree with you.

00:28:52.900 If you, if you treat other people with hate, you will be more stressed out, more frustrated

00:28:57.640 and more lonely if you do that.

00:28:59.880 And so will the other people.

00:29:01.960 And you're getting a country that if you're like the 93% of the rest of us, we don't like

00:29:06.160 the way the country is going.

00:29:07.500 So this is a very self-interested argument.

00:29:09.600 If you turn it around, if, if when people treat you with contempt, which they're going

00:29:13.200 to, if you go on social media, go on Twitter, you go and I go on Twitter, 20 seconds from

00:29:16.420 now, we post a picture of Glenn and Arthur doing a podcast, right?

00:29:19.880 We're going to get just rained on with contempt.

00:29:22.800 We have a choice of how we're going to react.

00:29:25.440 Now you can be, you know, it's like you react.

00:29:27.960 Like if you, if you stimulated a slug with a, you know, an electrode, it'll react, right?

00:29:33.380 If you can react to that, you can react to that contempt with contempt, or you can choose

00:29:38.080 your action because you're the master of yourself and choose to react with kindness

00:29:43.020 and respect.

00:29:44.120 People who are watching that interaction, they're going to say, huh, I think I know which, which

00:29:48.920 person in that exchange I like better.

00:29:51.120 That's how persuasion works, man.

00:29:53.280 This is especially with social media now where we could make a group statement by being

00:29:58.480 individuals, you know what I mean?

00:30:00.160 It's like if you're walking in, you're, you're invited to this ball party, whatever, and you

00:30:06.020 walk into a giant ballroom and there's 70 people over on one side and they're just yelling

00:30:13.040 and screaming at each other, taking both sides, all sides is just awful.

00:30:18.660 And there are five people on the other side and they're laughing and they're, they might

00:30:25.000 even be going, these guys are crazy and laughing about how crazy they are and they're all getting

00:30:30.880 along.

00:30:31.340 I guarantee you, you walk into that room, you do not go to the 70 people.

00:30:36.860 You go to the five and you at least observe what's happening in that safe area.

00:30:43.320 And yet on social media, right?

00:30:46.040 You go to the 70.

00:30:47.220 It's crazy.

00:30:47.680 It's craziness.

00:30:48.200 If we were just five, eventually those 70, that those numbers would dwindle down because

00:30:54.740 they either kill each other or some people would just go, I'm tired of this, man.

00:30:58.620 This is crummy. 0.95

00:30:59.140 I don't like it.

00:30:59.720 I don't want to be over here.

00:31:00.560 This is not fun.

00:31:01.580 Yeah.

00:31:01.840 And, and, you know, that's what a lot of people are actually starting to figure out about

00:31:04.180 social media.

00:31:04.740 They're starting to figure out that it's not neat.

00:31:06.960 They don't enjoy it.

00:31:08.060 It's not fun.

00:31:08.820 They're not persuading anybody.

00:31:09.960 And we're starting to actually see that bleed.

00:31:11.620 So let's create a movement.

00:31:12.740 Like the people were watching us.

00:31:14.100 I've made a public commitment that I'm going to say five nice and loving things for every

00:31:18.220 criticism I put out on Twitter.

00:31:19.660 That's my five to one rule.

00:31:20.820 By the way, I didn't make that up.

00:31:21.820 John Gottman, the guy I talked about before, the marriage counselor, he makes his couples do

00:31:25.620 a five to one thing.

00:31:26.700 So they can't criticize each other until they've said five loving things.

00:31:29.640 It makes them write it down in a notebook.

00:31:31.400 So I've made a commitment to doing that.

00:31:33.460 I've made a commitment.

00:31:34.220 I wrote a book called Love Your Enemies. 0.96

00:31:36.020 So if I'm ever a jerk, boy, am I ever going to hear about it fast, right? 0.89

00:31:38.760 When you write a book and it's on the bestseller list and it's called Love Your Enemies. 0.99

00:31:41.840 Well, you know, you know that if 10 years from now I'm acting like a jerk, I'm going to hear 0.99

00:31:47.540 it. 0.99

00:31:47.680 But why?

00:31:48.100 Because I want that.

00:31:49.020 Call me out.

00:31:50.000 Because I haven't been right in the past consistently.

00:31:54.080 I want to be better.

00:31:55.080 I want to be a force for good.

00:31:56.040 And the interesting thing about this, this is not just about me as a public figure and

00:31:59.400 Glenn Beck as a public figure.

00:32:00.720 This is about every single person watching us who is a leader.

00:32:03.560 And says, what kind of leader do I want to be?

00:32:05.420 Do I want to be a coercive, divisive leader who goes anonymously into a forum and hates

00:32:10.640 on somebody else and persuades no one and winds up more stressed out?

00:32:14.500 No, no, for a little tiny bit of dopamine, for a little bit of this neurotransmitter,

00:32:19.240 this little like smoking a cigarette.

00:32:20.760 Or do I want to be the guy that people are watching and saying, huh, that's actually the

00:32:25.620 kind of person I want to be.

00:32:26.860 Am I the kind of person I would want my kids to be?

00:32:29.000 You know, and when we do that, by the way, we coalesce around a philosophy that Americans

00:32:34.220 like the best, which is frankly kind of a center right philosophy, pro-capitalist philosophy.

00:32:38.680 So let's do that on the basis of love, as opposed to trying to pretend that we're going

00:32:43.280 to browbeat the whole country into it, because it's not going to work.

00:32:54.180 Speak directly to somebody, left, right, doesn't matter, that they're afraid.

00:33:01.000 They're afraid.

00:33:02.100 They see what's on the horizon.

00:33:03.360 And I want to talk to you about tech in a minute, but they see what's on the horizon.

00:33:06.680 They feel insignificant.

00:33:08.720 They feel left behind.

00:33:09.940 They feel whichever side, they feel like they no longer matter.

00:33:15.420 Right.

00:33:15.700 Okay.

00:33:16.320 And the one thing that they can do to matter is to pick a side and be part of a team,

00:33:25.560 because you're even more ostracized when you won't pick a team, when you won't.

00:33:31.460 And I don't mean pick a team.

00:33:32.700 I mean, when you won't slam.

00:33:34.720 Right.

00:33:34.940 Because then everybody's going after you.

00:33:36.680 Right.

00:33:36.880 At that point.

00:33:37.420 Right.

00:33:37.720 And so, and I hear this from people all the time.

00:33:40.580 They'll say, I can't say anything.

00:33:42.460 I'm glad you say something, because I can't say anything.

00:33:44.680 I'd lose my job.

00:33:45.800 And I think all the time, you know, that's a very big possibility for me, too.

00:33:51.400 Look, it's happened to you.

00:33:52.760 It's happened to you.

00:33:53.400 You've gone from thing to thing.

00:33:54.760 It's not like, you know, you stayed in one job for your whole life.

00:33:57.520 You've had disagreements with employers.

00:33:59.240 Why?

00:33:59.920 Because Glenn Beck lives a startup life.

00:34:03.200 And that's the answer to this whole conundrum where people are afraid.

00:34:06.480 Right.

00:34:07.020 We live in a climate of fear.

00:34:08.560 We have a culture of fear.

00:34:10.240 The big, you know, it's like love drives out fear.

00:34:13.200 St. John the Apostle.

00:34:14.380 Why?

00:34:14.720 Because the fear is the ultimate negative emotion.

00:34:17.340 It's the opposite of love.

00:34:18.500 People think hate is the opposite of love.

00:34:19.820 It's not.

00:34:20.520 Fear is the opposite of love.

00:34:21.900 When you feel fear, that's crowding out love.

00:34:25.440 And so what do you need to do if you want to have more love in your life?

00:34:27.560 Take on the fear.

00:34:28.920 Look, you confronted fear in your life.

00:34:31.160 I did, too.

00:34:31.920 We all do.

00:34:32.640 We have to confront it head on.

00:34:33.660 But when we have a culture where our leaders on right and left are telling us to be afraid of the other side.

00:34:39.920 And it's endemic across our culture.

00:34:42.560 You know, I'm looking at a lot of data these days about people in the 20s.

00:34:45.300 They're a third less likely to be in love than we were when we were that age.

00:34:48.920 They're less like they don't date.

00:34:51.100 It's like I asked my one of my sons, a junior in college.

00:34:53.920 Is this true?

00:34:54.540 It's like no one dates.

00:34:55.980 They're less likely to do.

00:34:57.660 They don't have relationships.

00:34:59.200 And the reason for this is because there's a culture of fear of personal rejection.

00:35:04.680 That's a non-entrepreneurial culture.

00:35:06.960 So when people are afraid, they're afraid of being rejected.

00:35:09.260 They're afraid of being ostracized because of politics.

00:35:13.080 You got to stand up.

00:35:15.000 You got to live a startup life.

00:35:16.340 You got to say, this is what I believe.

00:35:17.800 I reject fear.

00:35:19.560 However, I will live with love.

00:35:22.060 There is no other way.

00:35:24.220 And if we do that, that's the interior revolution within.

00:35:26.720 To love your enemies is the ultimate subversive tactic.

00:35:30.200 It's the ultimate toughness.

00:35:32.000 It's funny.

00:35:33.360 I mean, I tell a lot of stuff in this book about the Dalai Lama because I've been working with the Dalai Lama for seven years.

00:35:37.940 It's the weirdest relationship because, you know, the president of the American Enterprise Institute with his holiness, the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhist, you know, the most respected religious leader in the world.

00:35:45.440 And people sort of associate him with the political left.

00:35:48.320 But what he is, is he's a man fully alive because he is he has stood up ultimately to fear.

00:35:55.360 And we talk about this all the time.

00:35:57.140 And we talk about how how ultimately you you you're responsible for living your one life.

00:36:02.740 And when you do that, then it's the ultimate satisfaction.

00:36:07.180 I mean, look, if you need to don't look at Twitter, delete the app on your phone.

00:36:11.940 It's no big deal.

00:36:13.240 And if you want to, if you're really willing to take a big bite out of life, then stand up and say, I refuse to hate.

00:36:20.740 I refuse to hate people just because they disagree with me.

00:36:23.340 I refuse to be afraid.

00:36:25.100 I refuse to have people in my own political party telling me that I'm one step away from a jackbooted thug because I don't believe it.

00:36:32.520 I don't actually believe it.

00:36:34.200 I think that it's still a great country.

00:36:35.760 I still believe it doesn't mean I'm going to get everything I want.

00:36:38.220 We're going to get a bunch of laws that I ever get tax is going to be all screwed up.

00:36:41.300 And, you know, abortion laws are never going to be what I like or they're not going to be for a long time.

00:36:45.520 But but but for Pete's sake, this is not Nazi Germany.

00:36:49.520 It's not you know, we're not about to have a knock in the night in this country.

00:36:53.160 So we have to stop being afraid and we have to stop start living our lives as people who are not afraid.

00:36:57.780 That's that's why Jordan Peterson right now is so popular, because Jordan Peterson is telling particularly young men, take control.

00:37:04.320 Be the master.

00:37:05.540 Stop being afraid.

00:37:07.700 Recognize what you have within you, good and bad.

00:37:09.660 And maybe you can actually start start being as alive as you're supposed to be.

00:37:14.660 Just spent a weekend with Tony Robbins a couple of weeks ago.

00:37:18.060 Same message.

00:37:18.640 See your coach.

00:37:19.540 Yeah.

00:37:19.940 The same message.

00:37:20.780 Same message.

00:37:21.900 Yeah.

00:37:22.600 Just.

00:37:25.220 Who are you?

00:37:26.640 Who are you?

00:37:27.320 You decide who you are.

00:37:29.680 So what's blocking you?

00:37:30.960 Yeah.

00:37:31.340 You.

00:37:32.160 Yeah.

00:37:32.480 Take it out.

00:37:33.460 Go.

00:37:34.300 That's exactly right.

00:37:35.140 I mean, it's a Tony Robbins has an incredible ministry.

00:37:39.920 What Tony Robbins has been able to do.

00:37:41.740 I mean, finding the giant within.

00:37:43.260 I mean, that's just like he's actually literally a giant.

00:37:45.620 I know.

00:37:46.100 It's amazing that you use that word because he he is so deeply spiritual.

00:37:52.480 All the stuff he talks about.

00:37:53.900 It's.

00:37:54.920 Yeah.

00:37:55.080 We just all use different language.

00:37:57.180 Yeah.

00:37:57.420 You know what I mean?

00:37:58.020 But it's all the same truth.

00:37:59.120 It's all the same truth.

00:38:00.860 And when we what we are doing in public life, when we talk about public policy and politics

00:38:05.260 to hurt this country is by telling people that they're victims to telling people that

00:38:09.960 they should be that it should be the master.

00:38:12.600 Their master should be their grievance that they need to band together to fight somebody

00:38:16.700 as opposed to being able to to stand up on their own.

00:38:19.200 I mean, Tony Robbins, when you know, when you see him and he's talking to people who

00:38:24.320 feel that they've been oppressed and they've been held down, he says, throw off your chains,

00:38:27.700 man.

00:38:28.280 I know.

00:38:28.900 I mean, stand up because you can.

00:38:31.420 And it's the ultimate freeing experience that that's what Americans need to do, too.

00:38:34.860 We are not victims.

00:38:36.100 We're the ultimate non-victim country like the Becks and the Brookses came to this country 1.00

00:38:40.940 as ambitious riffraff and running away from some.

00:38:44.460 We're still ambitious riffraff.

00:38:46.320 At least I am.

00:38:47.120 Totally.

00:38:47.500 My family is still just riffraff. 0.73

00:38:49.640 So riffraff, it's time to unite.

00:38:52.920 That's the point of love your enemies.

00:38:55.140 The ultimate act of subversive riffraff is to stand up against the outrage industrial

00:39:00.620 complex and say, I refuse to hate because I refuse to live in fear.

00:39:05.100 That's the ultimate message and it's the how to guide on how to get past the fear.

00:39:09.380 I have a, my assistant is Scottish.

00:39:12.720 Yeah. 0.98

00:39:12.920 He was with the Royal Marines and some elite, you know, kill you with a toothpick and a spoon 0.91

00:39:19.060 deal. 0.96

00:39:21.200 And murderous MacGyver.

00:39:24.000 Yeah.

00:39:24.220 And he was, uh, we were talking about, uh, curse words cause you know, you watch British 1.00

00:39:30.580 television and they can use the C word like there it's running out of style and it's so

00:39:35.600 jarring to America.

00:39:37.120 And, and I said, what is your deal with that?

00:39:40.240 And he said, it doesn't mean it, that doesn't mean the same thing over there.

00:39:45.340 You know, it's, it's, it's just, it's, it carries a different connotation over here.

00:39:49.140 And he said, I learned that real fast.

00:39:51.520 Um, he said, but you guys have a word that I cannot get used to.

00:39:57.380 What's that?

00:39:57.880 He said, you guys will call your, you call each other.

00:40:00.520 Oh yeah. 1.00

00:40:01.040 Bastard. 0.99

00:40:02.160 He said, you don't ever say that over there. 0.99

00:40:05.900 Note to self.

00:40:07.060 Right.

00:40:07.680 But I, but it makes sense that it means nothing here, but over there where it's all hierarchy,

00:40:15.180 it's all, who are you related to?

00:40:17.280 What family did you come from here? 1.00

00:40:19.620 We're, it's like, we're all bastards. 1.00

00:40:21.940 We're all the riffraff. 1.00

00:40:23.420 We're all the scum and we made it there. 1.00

00:40:26.760 It means something. 1.00

00:40:28.680 Yeah.

00:40:28.860 Yeah.

00:40:29.020 That's right.

00:40:29.580 And, and, you know, it's for, for us to remember, it's funny, you know, Glenn, when I, when I

00:40:33.560 talked to Americans and asked them about their families, they always brag about how poor their 1.00

00:40:37.960 ancestors were.

00:40:39.480 That's like a point of pride.

00:40:40.760 There's no country in the world, except maybe Israel, where it's also a point of pride that

00:40:45.720 your family came from nothing and built itself up.

00:40:48.120 And, and what that is, is the, in the time in American life that's so inspirational where

00:40:53.400 this really became a thing was after the civil war, after this time of incredible polarization

00:40:57.520 in the United States and the country had to come together and it did spontaneously around

00:41:01.700 the self-improvement movement where, you know, the Baptist and the Methodist and the tent

00:41:05.260 revivals and the abolitionists who, who before had gotten rid of slavery, then we were talking

00:41:10.340 about temperance and, and, and, and others like Andrew Carnegie building English speaking

00:41:16.340 libraries and Dale Carnegie, no relation that I'm aware of, was writing how to win friends

00:41:20.800 and influence people.

00:41:21.420 This was the civic religion of what, of riffraff being his or her own CEO. 0.78

00:41:27.820 There was no grievance.

00:41:29.020 There was no victimization.

00:41:30.100 And it's time for Americans to get that back.

00:41:32.480 I, I just performed, uh, at a, a Carnegie theater.

00:41:37.200 You do?

00:41:37.920 Yeah.

00:41:38.220 In Pittsburgh.

00:41:38.900 And it was adjoined to a library and I, I'm sitting inside, I read a lot.

00:41:45.440 I'm sure you do too.

00:41:46.260 I have a pretty big library, but you know, bigger than most people cause nobody reads anymore,

00:41:51.160 but you know, it's not an, it's not some wealthy, you know, crazy library full of books.

00:41:57.840 Uh, and my library is probably bigger than that original library.

00:42:03.660 Okay.

00:42:04.560 And he said, I have to build this.

00:42:07.460 He built these libraries all over, all over the country, English speaking libraries all

00:42:12.220 over, 2,509 of them.

00:42:13.980 It's crazy.

00:42:14.500 Yeah.

00:42:14.640 Crazy. 0.56

00:42:15.080 Crazy. 0.93

00:42:15.680 And, and we don't know this.

00:42:16.980 And, and what he said about why he built them.

00:42:19.680 Do you, do you remember this?

00:42:20.900 So that every man, so that every man can lift himself up.

00:42:23.900 Yeah.

00:42:24.160 He said, not everyone will use the ladder, but there is a ladder to pull yourself out.

00:42:30.420 And it is, it's all in a King's library.

00:42:34.140 So he wanted these libraries to be fit for a King.

00:42:37.580 So if you had the desire to pull yourself out, you had the capability.

00:42:42.820 So the shoeshine boy has equal opportunity with the son of a wealthy man.

00:42:47.700 Yes.

00:42:48.260 And you know, that is the American spirit.

00:42:50.420 Now, is it always going to be true?

00:42:51.800 Is it always going to be perfect?

00:42:52.900 Are the pathways to earn success always going to be perfect?

00:42:55.300 Of course not.

00:42:56.500 We want them to be.

00:42:57.400 And, and, and in point of fact, they've been blocked too much over the, over the past few

00:43:01.880 decades.

00:43:02.200 It's been too hard to do that.

00:43:03.480 There's not been enough income mobility, both going up and also frankly coming down.

00:43:07.860 You know, there's just not, there's been, you know, people create moats around their

00:43:11.140 castles and we have to fight against that all the time, but to basically throw in the

00:43:14.440 towel and say, and, and have populists tell us, you know, somebody's got your stuff and

00:43:19.660 I'm going to get it back.

00:43:20.740 Whether it's a, whether it's a foreigner or a banker or a capitalist or an immigrant,

00:43:26.440 it's not right to say that somebody's got your stuff and I'm going to get it back.

00:43:30.520 And the reason that things are not right in your life is entirely because of somebody

00:43:33.980 else's culpability.

00:43:35.020 That's an anti-American sentiment.

00:43:36.760 And I look, I, I get it.

00:43:38.040 Things are hard.

00:43:39.300 Things have been hard in my life at times.

00:43:40.800 Things are hard in people, in the lives of people who are listening to us.

00:43:43.800 And there is skepticism about this, but I tell you one thing that will never get the

00:43:47.800 job done is complaining about it and banding together and saying that some other side that 1.00

00:43:53.000 disagrees with us is inherently stupid and evil. 1.00

00:43:55.260 All we're going to get after that is a cold civil war and a cold civil war is in a country 1.00

00:43:59.680 that's weak and a cold civil war is in a country that's vulnerable to people who wish us ill.

00:44:04.960 And we can't afford that.

00:44:17.800 Can you help me solve a problem?

00:44:27.340 I've never been able to answer.

00:44:29.320 Free market is fantastic.

00:44:32.720 Free market.

00:44:33.640 Not, not what we have.

00:44:34.660 Not crony capitalism.

00:44:35.460 Not crony capitalism.

00:44:36.640 Okay.

00:44:37.340 And that's really part of the question.

00:44:39.060 Right.

00:44:39.740 I look at two examples.

00:44:43.060 Let me start with Rockefeller.

00:44:44.420 When Rockefeller was building Rockefeller Center, I don't know if you've ever noticed, really

00:44:50.320 looked, I'm, I'm very into art and, and the architecture of, of Rockefeller Center.

00:44:58.440 And, uh, I used to drive to Radio City Music Hall every day.

00:45:01.640 That was where my studios were.

00:45:04.020 And it's all designed for a reason.

00:45:07.620 Everything has a reason.

00:45:08.740 It's almost a temple to man.

00:45:10.520 Right.

00:45:10.660 Okay.

00:45:11.560 Uh, and as I'm driving up, I noticed one day that building is an old 1800s building.

00:45:19.400 And there's another one on the other side of 30 Rock.

00:45:22.460 That's part of 30 Rock.

00:45:24.600 Now that's this old 1800s building out of all these blocks of these perfect art deco.

00:45:32.080 There's two buildings that stand alone and they don't match.

00:45:38.060 So I looked up what, how, how, what happened?

00:45:41.720 Yeah.

00:45:41.840 What is it?

00:45:42.320 So he bought blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks, like 12 blocks.

00:45:46.700 Okay.

00:45:46.900 Bought everybody out.

00:45:47.900 There were two owners that wouldn't sell out.

00:45:50.660 One was a guy who was greedy.

00:45:52.460 He offered him, I think a million dollars during the depression, sell it.

00:45:56.380 He thought Rockefeller was going to keep going up.

00:45:59.420 And so he said, nope.

00:46:01.320 And Rockefeller's top was a million. 0.90

00:46:03.000 He said, screw him.

00:46:04.400 The other guy was a guy who owned an Irish bar. 0.97

00:46:07.380 It was his family's Irish bar since the 1800s.

00:46:10.900 Right.

00:46:11.720 He knew that prohibition was going to end.

00:46:14.460 And he said, this is going to be my family's bar again.

00:46:17.320 I'm not selling.

00:46:18.180 I don't care what the price is.

00:46:19.500 So Rockefeller said, build around.

00:46:23.560 Okay.

00:46:23.840 That wouldn't happen now.

00:46:25.560 Those guys would have eminent domain.

00:46:27.320 They would have lost those places immediately.

00:46:31.440 Somewhere along the line.

00:46:36.640 America loses its de Tocqueville that at some point people get powerful enough and rich enough that they kick the door behind them.

00:46:46.080 Right.

00:46:46.200 Okay.

00:46:47.460 Only when, and this, I can't believe I'm saying this in the 1930s, but only when things like eminent domain, I'm sorry, man, that's his property.

00:46:55.940 He can do whatever he wants with it.

00:46:58.080 When that's strong enough, we're okay.

00:47:01.100 But when you have people like Google, when you have Apple, you have these gigantic corporations with all this money,

00:47:10.320 and they spend all of that money in Washington to write laws, they're closing the opportunity, kicking the door behind them. 0.97

00:47:20.860 So I don't want to ever live in a place where I, that I would say, well, there's only so much money you can make.

00:47:29.560 Oh, there's only so much this you can make.

00:47:31.160 Oh, we've got to break these people up.

00:47:32.840 How do you stop these, and not everybody's like this.

00:47:39.520 Carnegie is a good example.

00:47:41.240 How do you stop people who are that wealthy from dictating the terms for everybody else?

00:47:50.360 So the problem with corny capitalism, forget particular companies, the problem with corny capitalism is that the really, really rich guys have a lot of power.

00:47:59.460 Right.

00:47:59.680 And they have power not just to add to their own wealth, but to protect themselves from startups, to protect themselves from new companies.

00:48:07.820 Right.

00:48:08.100 That's usually what happens.

00:48:09.440 Right.

00:48:09.920 So the way that we need to generate better policy, to engineer policies in this country, is to block that.

00:48:19.060 We don't need to break up any companies.

00:48:21.520 We don't need to prohibit any size.

00:48:23.820 Block the fact that they can buy another company?

00:48:25.440 No, no.

00:48:26.040 Block the fact that they can actually generate regulations.

00:48:29.280 Okay.

00:48:29.680 They have perfect capability with their vast armies of lawyers and accountants and specialists and consultants to cope with, but the little guys can't.

00:48:41.020 See, that's the problem.

00:48:42.140 I mean, we have an over-regulated economy and huge companies like an over-regulated economy because it doesn't hurt them.

00:48:49.560 They can afford it.

00:48:50.360 It's a barrier.

00:48:50.960 It becomes a barrier to entry, effectively.

00:48:53.260 So we need fewer barriers to entry in an economy that's more capitalistic.

00:48:57.340 And then capitalism will take care of itself, you know.

00:48:59.960 Doesn't that require a public that is educated enough to know we don't have anybody that really understands high tech?

00:49:10.300 Maybe five people in the Congress.

00:49:12.640 Maybe five people.

00:49:14.560 We are on the verge of something entirely different.

00:49:18.020 And when I talk to people in Congress, they'll say, I'll tell them about something that's on the horizon in the next two years, and it'll be completely new to that.

00:49:26.700 Yeah, it'll be a complete surprise, right?

00:49:27.860 And they'll be like, well, we've got to pass a lot.

00:49:29.400 I'm like, you don't understand.

00:49:30.840 It's moving so fast. 0.99

00:49:32.140 By the time you get your head out of your butt, it's totally different again. 0.96

00:49:36.860 So there's no way to keep up with it. 0.97

00:49:39.760 They then go and look, you know, like FDR did.

00:49:43.720 Hey, you're the big four automakers.

00:49:45.900 What would be fair?

00:49:47.160 How can we make this right for everybody?

00:49:50.440 And they develop all these rules because the guys in Washington don't know.

00:49:55.620 So they just go to the experts and they close all the doors for everybody.

00:49:58.660 Well, that's always the problem is when there's more regulation, start to get suspicious.

00:50:02.820 When there's more regulation, particularly that's being proposed by business, get twice as suspicious.

00:50:08.680 That's what we need to do.

00:50:09.620 I mean, one of the beautiful things about capitalism is you don't have to know everything.

00:50:12.740 You only have to know your thing.

00:50:14.260 And one of the things that we need to do is to is to take barriers away from people in productive activity.

00:50:19.740 It's the same thing, Glenn, is barriers away from people to doing what they need to do in their own lives.

00:50:23.940 You know, the big problem that we have in the United States of happiness is that is faith, family, friends and work.

00:50:31.100 And so we don't need government to actually create regulations, a pro religion bureaucracy that's the worst thing ever, pro, you know, the Department of Families or something. 0.97

00:50:41.980 And we don't certainly don't need, you know, the friends bureaucracy.

00:50:44.940 What we need is to take away the disincentives for people to do those things.

00:50:49.040 And that means getting out of the way of those things.

00:50:50.780 And, you know, the government is in the way of faith, family, community and work.

00:50:54.100 The government is in the way of productive activity and in the way of entrepreneurship all the time.

00:50:58.200 So that's what the president needs to do.

00:50:59.920 But they will say that, for instance, it's not scalable.

00:51:04.160 For instance, Facebook, you know this.

00:51:08.360 Once you have a company over one hundred and fifty employees, it changes.

00:51:13.540 Right.

00:51:13.720 It just changes.

00:51:14.960 I found that.

00:51:16.140 Right.

00:51:16.680 We as individuals, we're built to have 30 maybe really good friends.

00:51:23.080 OK.

00:51:23.540 In our life.

00:51:24.800 Right.

00:51:25.060 We are not capable of having, you know, a thousand followers and a thousand friends on Facebook.

00:51:33.480 It's it doesn't work.

00:51:35.800 It's actually bad for us.

00:51:37.500 Right.

00:51:37.880 Yeah.

00:51:38.020 It doesn't work at scale.

00:51:39.580 So that's the problem that they'll say, because because it's coming now.

00:51:43.920 The Internet has been great.

00:51:45.820 We haven't really regulated the Internet until recently.

00:51:48.580 It's it's been a wild west.

00:51:50.660 And look what it's done.

00:51:52.520 But now you're starting to have problems because now who do I trust?

00:51:56.620 What do I do?

00:51:57.400 So now they're starting to come in.

00:51:59.200 And the argument will be it's out of control.

00:52:04.900 People are allowed to do just anything.

00:52:07.860 Just say anything.

00:52:08.860 And I say, yeah, you have to choose to get over it.

00:52:12.740 Right.

00:52:13.120 Or you have to choose not to participate in it, which is exactly what we're talking about here is protecting ourselves by opting out.

00:52:20.600 In a lot of cases, opting out of that part of the economy in the same way that I opt out of cigarettes.

00:52:25.700 I opt out of alcohol.

00:52:27.140 I opt out of pornography because those things are bad for me.

00:52:31.240 And so what we need to do is individuals like all progress.

00:52:35.040 I mean, institutional solutions, fine.

00:52:36.840 Right.

00:52:37.040 I'm glad that there are some institutional solutions.

00:52:38.920 But all progress comes from the heart of the individual.

00:52:42.200 Yes.

00:52:42.520 There is no other way.

00:52:44.420 You know, when we and what we're talking about with antitrust, with very large tech firms, for example, these are sophisticated problems, to be sure.

00:52:51.660 But to the extent that we are victimized by the Internet, this is really because we're abusing the product.

00:52:59.060 And this is basically say, you know what we need.

00:53:01.240 You know, Glenn, man, I just can't stay off Twitter.

00:53:03.700 So I need more regulation of Twitter.

00:53:05.820 Don't get off Twitter.

00:53:06.900 Get off Twitter.

00:53:07.760 It's very simple.

00:53:09.140 It's very simple.

00:53:10.020 Be the master of yourself.

00:53:12.060 You know, it's like there's too much hatred in my life.

00:53:13.840 So what am I going to do?

00:53:14.520 I'm going to make hatred illegal.

00:53:15.600 No, stop hating.

00:53:18.480 Start loving.

00:53:19.820 You know, this is the key.

00:53:20.980 Whenever we get into a very bad place in the United States, whether it's in the Civil War or whether it's today, we must follow it with a self-improvement revolution.

00:53:30.100 There is no other way.

00:53:31.560 That's how we're if anybody's watching us wants to save America, start by acting in a different way.

00:53:37.060 Personally, that's where it comes from.

00:53:39.180 That's where the social movement starts.

00:53:40.580 We need a million social movements that will come together.

00:53:43.980 You know, the politicians, you know, the outrage industrial complex that are ginning up this hatred.

00:53:49.060 It's not because they're awful people.

00:53:50.620 It's because they're followers and their demand signals that are coming from us.

00:53:54.520 There's a parade going down the street.

00:53:56.080 And they're like, I got to get in front of that parade.

00:53:57.380 It needs a leader.

00:53:58.140 In democratic capitalist societies, there are no true leaders.

00:54:01.380 There are only followers who look like leaders.

00:54:03.500 So each one of us has to be the true leader.

00:54:05.600 And each one of us who wants to make it better to say, basically, I'm just not I'm not part of that parade, man.

00:54:10.840 I'm going down this alley.

00:54:11.580 And then if enough people start doing it, I want to I don't want to be about 70 people yelling at the other side of the ballroom.

00:54:16.760 I want to be the five people laughing over here.

00:54:19.240 And that's when when when the politicians and the media and the and the, you know, the academics and all the people who are part of the outrage industrial complex to go, huh?

00:54:28.060 OK, I guess this direction we're going.

00:54:30.220 You know, any leaders like this?

00:54:31.660 Do you know anybody who's.

00:54:32.820 I know a lot of people who want to do this, everybody I talk to.

00:54:37.740 Look, it's the weirdest thing I'm writing.

00:54:40.040 If I had written a book, I would be, you know, mega bestseller. 1.00

00:54:42.640 You know, Republicans are stupid or liberals are evil. 1.00

00:54:45.080 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:45.360 If I'd written that book, you know, mega bestseller.

00:54:47.200 Right.

00:54:47.420 No.

00:54:48.400 So I said, you know, as a calculator risk, I spent the last two years praying and writing and thinking about how to write a book called Love Your Enemies.

00:54:54.900 It's a self-improvement, personal revolution book for me and for people who want to think this way.

00:55:00.360 I thought, you know, maybe it sells 10 copies.

00:55:03.060 I don't know.

00:55:04.100 You know, and the weirdest thing is this book has been out for a couple of weeks now and it sold tens of thousands of copies a week.

00:55:13.140 And this is selling better than any book I've ever read.

00:55:15.140 I've ever written, read, ever.

00:55:17.780 This is selling.

00:55:19.780 Really?

00:55:20.880 Selling better than the Bible.

00:55:22.420 You heard it right here.

00:55:24.900 This is selling better than any book I've ever written.

00:55:27.380 Right.

00:55:27.560 And what that means is it doesn't mean that this is the best book ever written.

00:55:31.780 No.

00:55:31.960 There's an incoherent.

00:55:32.760 There's a zeitgeist.

00:55:33.920 There is a demand.

00:55:35.380 There is a desire for this.

00:55:37.900 And if we grab it, I mean, then there's a lot of politicians that you and I love that we really like.

00:55:44.720 Then they'll be set free, too.

00:55:47.300 And it's time for us to set our leaders free.

00:55:51.500 Let me change to tech.

00:55:54.060 Yeah.

00:55:54.900 You think a lot about tech.

00:55:56.480 A lot.

00:55:56.940 And you like tech.

00:55:58.080 I love tech.

00:55:58.680 To be sure.

00:55:59.560 So I want to make sure that our audience understands.

00:56:02.720 My Glenn Beck, conservative guy, thinks that the tech economy is interesting and is promising and is optimistic and is fun.

00:56:11.620 It gives me.

00:56:13.400 It's like going to Silicon Valley.

00:56:15.280 But that's countercultural, man.

00:56:16.400 Because, you know, conservatives are always like, ah, no, it's all bad.

00:56:19.260 It's all terrible.

00:56:20.220 No.

00:56:20.360 It's dystopian.

00:56:21.320 It's, you know what it is?

00:56:23.560 The Constitution and the Declaration.

00:56:27.040 Yeah.

00:56:27.140 Take the Declaration out.

00:56:28.580 But the Constitution is just a system.

00:56:31.500 Right.

00:56:31.580 And it's going to be based on moral sentiments.

00:56:33.960 It's the Internet.

00:56:36.220 Good, bad.

00:56:37.200 It's both based on moral sentiments.

00:56:39.680 Right.

00:56:40.240 Same thing with tech.

00:56:41.600 It's going to be the worst or the best, but it's all going to be up to us.

00:56:46.260 Right.

00:56:46.520 OK.

00:56:47.180 It's going to be a reflection.

00:56:48.060 It's going to be a mirror.

00:56:49.220 Yeah.

00:56:49.620 It's going to be an amplification.

00:56:52.920 Right.

00:56:53.480 I got it.

00:56:54.260 OK.

00:56:54.680 And the amplification, like a giant, like a giant mirror out in the sun, it'll vaporize

00:57:03.720 things if we're bad.

00:57:06.760 The Internet, the ultimate karma.

00:57:08.580 It is.

00:57:10.840 OK.

00:57:11.260 So I look at tech and I see the unlimited potential ahead of us.

00:57:22.500 I also see 1984 will look like child's play.

00:57:29.780 You know, they're already doing it in China or headed that direction.

00:57:33.420 Um, I see a, I see a world of no disease.

00:57:39.120 I see a world where we can pursue the things that we want to pursue freedom.

00:57:44.920 Like we've never, the one time I could ever say the founders never envisioned this would

00:57:53.180 be what's on the horizon with tech.

00:57:55.480 Right.

00:57:55.700 OK.

00:57:56.440 All good ways.

00:57:58.580 All good.

00:57:58.920 Some bad.

00:58:00.240 I was going to say.

00:58:01.240 Yeah.

00:58:01.440 Then there is the darker side of the prison that it could build.

00:58:07.520 But I think the first one, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

00:58:11.380 The first trouble that will come is unemployment.

00:58:15.100 And we have a, we have a disconnect from Washington and Silicon Valley and the American people.

00:58:22.680 Washington is saying we're going to get the unemployment rate to zero.

00:58:26.880 Right.

00:58:27.220 And that's good.

00:58:28.220 Well, the people who are building the next economy are saying we're going to get unemployment

00:58:33.960 to a hundred percent.

00:58:36.000 Because we don't have to work anymore.

00:58:37.240 Right.

00:58:38.000 OK.

00:58:38.840 Disconnect.

00:58:39.560 Yeah.

00:58:39.960 And the American people who are not involved in this and really don't see that the industrial

00:58:47.460 revolution that took a hundred years is going to happen in the next 10.

00:58:50.920 Yes.

00:58:51.840 And when that happens, the pressure is going to come down.

00:58:56.320 The politicians are going to do one of two things that we know they're going to do this. 0.78

00:59:00.360 I'll bring those jobs back.

00:59:02.500 No, they're not.

00:59:03.540 No, they're not.

00:59:04.500 When the when they start to say that and they really realize those jobs aren't coming back.

00:59:10.000 We have Silicon Valley here.

00:59:13.180 They have really only one thing to do, and that is to team up with Silicon Valley. 1.00

00:59:18.320 Otherwise, we're going to go with torches and kill those those evil scientists that are 0.99

00:59:23.840 making all these spooky machines. 1.00

00:59:26.100 You know what I mean?

00:59:27.300 And no one is talking about things.

00:59:30.560 And I don't agree with this.

00:59:31.740 This is what I want an answer on.

00:59:33.060 I do not agree with basic universal income.

00:59:38.340 Right.

00:59:38.660 OK.

00:59:39.340 However.

00:59:41.100 In a time where we would have 30 percent, according to Bain Capital, 30 percent permanent

00:59:47.720 unemployment by 2030.

00:59:50.820 You got to have something in that transition because you got a lot of people like me that

00:59:56.820 wait, Twitter is no longer cool.

01:00:00.760 And what is this?

01:00:02.280 Snapchat thing that just do not adapt real fast.

01:00:07.420 They won't be able to shift and it will cause all kinds of strife.

01:00:12.760 How do we solve the upheaval, that 10 year upheaval as a bridge?

01:00:21.100 To the answer.

01:00:22.400 I mean, the obvious answer is we don't know or we don't know.

01:00:25.900 I mean, we're we're we're we're it's going to happen and we're going to get through it.

01:00:30.160 Right.

01:00:30.500 Right.

01:00:30.700 The question is how much pain and what the pain looks like and how can we attenuate threshold

01:00:34.880 before total chaos.

01:00:37.240 And that's a big reason why some people are pushing for socialism in a UBI, UBI by unlimited

01:00:45.720 basic income.

01:00:46.520 OK, so to begin with, I actually don't agree entirely with the premise that we're going

01:00:53.040 to get to this 30 percent unemployment.

01:00:55.200 Why?

01:00:56.300 Because what traditionally happens is that when there's a technological revolution and all

01:01:01.540 the technology means is that we use inputs differently.

01:01:04.780 Inputs are simple.

01:01:05.620 There's labor, there's land, there's capital and there's entrepreneurship.

01:01:08.820 Those are the only inputs into any production process in the whole economy.

01:01:11.700 And the way that those things work together differently, that's a change in technology.

01:01:15.700 You know, it might be a machine or it might be, you know, a new way of thinking or, you

01:01:19.000 know, something.

01:01:19.540 Right.

01:01:19.660 It might be college, you know, whatever it happens to be.

01:01:21.400 OK.

01:01:21.960 So when there's a technological revolution that changes the way that we do things, generally

01:01:26.620 speaking, it doesn't destroy jobs.

01:01:28.660 It changes jobs.

01:01:29.920 Every job is 22 or 25 or 40 things.

01:01:33.040 I mean, Glenn Beck's job is like 700,000 things.

01:01:35.880 Right.

01:01:36.040 Because you run this big company.

01:01:37.600 But most people's jobs are literally like 25 things that they know how to do that require

01:01:42.980 expertise.

01:01:43.700 What technology does is it pulls all of those 25 things apart and puts them in a box and

01:01:50.160 then mixes in everybody else's 25 things, shakes the box and takes out handfuls of 25 new

01:01:55.640 things and passes them out.

01:01:56.780 And those are the new jobs.

01:01:57.860 The reason that young people do better is they're trained up in the new bundles of 25.

01:02:02.540 And so that's the challenge is not because we have become overtaken by events that we've

01:02:06.700 become obsolete.

01:02:07.700 We basically only know how to do eight of the 22 things in our jobs.

01:02:12.320 And so that's what we need to do is we need to disintermediate those and learn how to train

01:02:17.180 people in different parts of what the new collection of jobs happen to be.

01:02:21.280 That's not just VOTEC.

01:02:22.540 That's not just career and technical education or technical school, vocational school.

01:02:28.500 That's not what we're talking about.

01:02:29.780 We're training people in new individual tasks.

01:02:32.660 And that's a much smaller job.

01:02:34.860 That's a much easier job than saying you used to be a driver and now there's driverless trucks.

01:02:40.160 And so now we're going to teach you how to fix air conditioning systems when you're 60.

01:02:44.520 Well, it's not going to happen, man.

01:02:45.640 But that's not actually how the job is going to change.

01:02:48.260 The job is going to change in many different ways.

01:02:51.160 And so you're going to have to learn how to do this with a computer slightly differently

01:02:54.760 while you continue to do this as part of your old job.

01:02:57.980 And that's how we need to be thinking about it.

01:02:59.780 That's how the best research that I've seen says that that's the challenge.

01:03:05.100 And that's a less daunting challenge.

01:03:07.080 It's a challenge.

01:03:22.460 Yeah, it's a challenge.

01:03:23.320 And I think part of that challenge is getting people to realize that nothing will be the

01:03:29.460 same tomorrow and being comfortable with that.

01:03:31.980 Nobody's ever going to be really comfortable with it.

01:03:34.040 But if we had a more entrepreneurial culture, we could be much more comfortable than we currently

01:03:38.400 are.

01:03:38.900 If we didn't have leaders on both parties that were telling people to be afraid of the future

01:03:43.080 and afraid of each other, it would be a lot better.

01:03:46.700 We shouldn't be afraid of each other and we shouldn't be afraid of the future because this

01:03:49.840 is America and we're a strong country that's dealt with a lot worse.

01:03:53.220 Okay.

01:03:53.340 When you said that there's, you know, only five things that happen, you know, for jobs.

01:03:59.840 Yeah.

01:04:00.180 Okay.

01:04:00.520 What were the five again?

01:04:01.460 It was, uh, um, the five things that happened for, you know, for, for, uh, a market to work.

01:04:08.920 Okay.

01:04:09.540 So the inputs are the inputs.

01:04:11.500 Yeah.

01:04:11.580 They're labor, labor, capital. 0.84

01:04:13.340 Okay.

01:04:13.500 Stop.

01:04:13.940 Right.

01:04:14.820 Capital.

01:04:15.720 Yes.

01:04:16.320 Right.

01:04:16.880 Labor.

01:04:17.660 Right.

01:04:18.300 Uh, uh, um, robotics.

01:04:21.720 Next one.

01:04:22.880 Well, and that's a substitution of capital for labor, but it changes the relationship of

01:04:27.700 labor to capital because you're still going to need people that is doing different things.

01:04:31.100 In relation to capital.

01:04:32.260 Won't need as many.

01:04:33.740 Yeah.

01:04:34.180 Well, you'll need it.

01:04:34.920 You'll actually, in a weird way, you know, it's funny thing.

01:04:37.500 In the industrial revolution, everybody thought that, that cap, that capital was going to substitute

01:04:40.980 for labor and labor was going to be just like overtaken by events and never do anything.

01:04:44.560 Yeah.

01:04:45.040 And it turns out we needed more labor in the end.

01:04:47.600 We need more people, more people doing more stuff because the whole economy, that was

01:04:50.840 the miracle of capitalism.

01:04:52.020 It's not a zero sum.

01:04:53.320 It's a bigger and bigger and bigger pie, but we have to make sure that people have expertise

01:04:58.000 such that they can work with this expanded capital and the way that they can't currently

01:05:02.640 do it.

01:05:03.700 So you see what I mean, right?

01:05:04.960 Yeah.

01:05:05.160 I think I do.

01:05:06.120 Yeah.

01:05:06.260 I think I do.

01:05:07.160 Um, the problem is you read, uh, demon haunted world by Carl Sagan.

01:05:11.860 Hmm.

01:05:12.100 Um, you know, he talked about, there will be a time when all of this will be Latin to 0.56

01:05:18.180 the average person.

01:05:19.140 Yeah.

01:05:19.420 And so they'll just be going to the high priest of tech and going, make this work.

01:05:24.300 You know what I mean?

01:05:25.520 We are not learning.

01:05:27.540 We are not expanding.

01:05:29.100 We are, we are a, a, um, we are becoming calcified.

01:05:33.980 That's the threat.

01:05:34.940 See, that's the threat.

01:05:35.840 See, if we were actually expanding our knowledge and we're expanding our confidence and we were

01:05:40.720 less fearful than we could actually have expanding human capital, education, skills, jobs that

01:05:47.860 would match with the changing physical capital, which is the machines and the software that

01:05:51.920 are coming into our world such that, that, that labor could be appropriate to it and up

01:05:56.000 to the task.

01:05:56.760 You know, we have way more people working.

01:05:59.100 I mean, right now, I mean, there are seven and a half billion people alive.

01:06:02.040 Only a hundred billion people have ever lived and died before the current in humanity that

01:06:07.600 we see on earth.

01:06:08.140 And you know, all those people that are, that are alive today, that's their, their workforces

01:06:12.460 are so much bigger than they used to be.

01:06:14.840 And yet everything's automated, particularly compared to what it was 200 years ago.

01:06:19.000 And that's because when, when you're more productive, you have more productive capacity,

01:06:23.440 you have more capital, you actually need more labor and everybody gets richer and more stuff

01:06:28.280 gets done.

01:06:28.720 If, if you're not calcified, if you're actually willing to learn and change.

01:06:33.080 And that's the main task of our leadership today.

01:06:36.000 Look, we have, you and I have both railed against education systems that are appropriate

01:06:40.660 to the 1950s that are teaching the same stuff that you and I learned in the 1970s as school

01:06:45.940 kids, the 1970s.

01:06:47.020 I mean, not exactly, but, but for all intents and purposes, that's actually, that's rigid

01:06:51.800 and, and doesn't have any choice and, and is, you know, the, the, the way that the structure

01:06:56.800 it's, it's kind of like education systems a lot for the benefit of the, of the educators

01:07:02.000 as opposed to the students in the future of the country.

01:07:04.080 I mean, that's, that's, that's the problem, you know, to a certain, and unless we can modernize

01:07:09.300 that, then we can't improve the human capital and we can't improve the human capital.

01:07:12.440 Then we're stuck in the dystopian future.

01:07:14.560 You described, do you believe, uh, in AGI and ASI?

01:07:20.280 That's common.

01:07:21.460 I mean, these things are common.

01:07:22.640 I do believe that these things are common.

01:07:24.380 Um, it's, it's funny.

01:07:26.140 Um, I was talking to a guy, the guy was, it was in my, my hometown, I grew up in Seattle

01:07:31.420 and I was back there for some, some speeches I was given.

01:07:34.600 Did you grow up in Seattle?

01:07:35.860 In Queen Anne Hill.

01:07:36.640 Really?

01:07:37.060 Queen Anne Hill, North side of Queen Anne Hill.

01:07:38.400 Yeah.

01:07:38.740 Born in Everett and lived in Mount Lake Terrace and then moved to Mount Vernon.

01:07:42.720 That's crazy.

01:07:43.480 Yeah.

01:07:43.660 It's maybe why.

01:07:45.500 That's why we connect, man.

01:07:46.480 It is.

01:07:46.960 And it may be why we connect with our heart because there's something different in the

01:07:50.680 business.

01:07:50.920 It's gone nuts now, but there's something different.

01:07:54.420 I know.

01:07:55.160 Anyway.

01:07:55.720 I was talking to this guy and we were driving, uh, it was at night and, and he was driving

01:07:59.660 me, um, up, uh, uh, one South past the old Sears building.

01:08:04.980 This is now the Starbucks building.

01:08:06.280 And I said, oh, you know, we're near Boeing field.

01:08:08.180 And I said, go over there because I saw, I said, let's go, let's get on the I five and let's

01:08:12.160 go up the freeway instead.

01:08:14.500 Cause I want to see if I can see from the freeway into the, it was at night, the open

01:08:19.180 hangar where they're building the seven 87 because it's such a beautiful plane.

01:08:23.100 And so we were doing it.

01:08:24.040 We're talking about it.

01:08:24.680 It turns out he's really into innovation attack.

01:08:26.600 And, and I said, I just, I just read an article and I said, give me your impression of this.

01:08:30.620 He was a, he was a very, very pious religious Muslim guy.

01:08:34.380 Give me your, tell me this.

01:08:35.820 I just read an article since you're really into tech that in 40 years, you'll be able

01:08:40.100 to download your mind.

01:08:42.220 Right.

01:08:42.620 And this is basically some combination of AGI and ASI.

01:08:46.020 Right.

01:08:46.900 What do you think about that?

01:08:47.920 And he says, oh, it doesn't make sense.

01:08:50.740 And I said, why not?

01:08:51.340 It says, cause you can't download the soul and that's how people see it.

01:08:56.440 And so this is the key difference.

01:08:58.640 There's a, there's a, the frontiers of technology are vast.

01:09:03.340 We don't know where they go, but humans are fundamentally different.

01:09:09.320 That's, I mean, and the soul.

01:09:10.880 I disagree with you more.

01:09:11.940 I totally agree with you myself.

01:09:15.820 Right.

01:09:16.020 But the way it's going to be perceived and here's why, um, uh, you know who Stephen Hawking

01:09:22.180 is?

01:09:22.540 Of course.

01:09:22.800 Okay.

01:09:23.280 So, uh, I've talked to him several times and this is one of the main things that scares

01:09:28.800 the hell out of me with Stephen Hawking.

01:09:30.580 Uh, I, uh, not Stephen Hawking.

01:09:32.180 Um, uh, Oh shoot.

01:09:34.820 Dawkins, Richard Dawkins.

01:09:35.800 No, no, no.

01:09:36.420 He's a, he's a high tech guy.

01:09:38.460 Silicon Valley, uh, started the university of, uh, Peter Thiel.

01:09:46.020 No, I can't remember now.

01:09:48.180 Uh, oh my gosh.

01:09:51.020 Uh, wrote the age of spiritual machines.

01:09:54.080 Oh, um, um, um, uh, yeah.

01:09:56.820 He was the guy who was at Microsoft.

01:09:58.720 What is it?

01:09:59.580 Yes.

01:09:59.920 Ray Kurzweil.

01:10:00.440 Yeah.

01:10:00.640 Okay.

01:10:00.920 So Ray Kurzweil.

01:10:01.600 Yeah, right.

01:10:01.900 For sure.

01:10:02.560 So Ray is leading this and, and I think in a kind of a creepy way, he's, you know, he's

01:10:08.440 looking for the singularity and I think he's trying to recreate his dad quite honestly,

01:10:11.800 which is a whole nother subject.

01:10:12.980 He's basically that, that was behind this whole concept of downloading the mind.

01:10:16.620 Correct.

01:10:17.000 Right.

01:10:17.260 He says it'll happen by 2030.

01:10:19.180 Okay.

01:10:19.800 But he sees the mind just as, or the person just as a, a, a, a map of how you think.

01:10:28.280 Yeah.

01:10:28.440 Okay.

01:10:29.160 Um, he's a complete materialist.

01:10:30.740 He basically says the mind exists inside the brain.

01:10:33.840 Yeah.

01:10:34.240 Right.

01:10:34.780 Yeah.

01:10:35.080 He's, yeah, he's different.

01:10:36.980 But you know, well, I mean, not only that, he doesn't believe in the soul.

01:10:39.620 Correct.

01:10:40.200 Correct.

01:10:40.420 He doesn't believe the soul exists.

01:10:41.620 Correct.

01:10:42.160 Right.

01:10:42.340 Correct.

01:10:42.860 Okay.

01:10:43.440 So I've had some, I've said some interesting exchange.

01:10:46.740 I so respect him and I believe him that he can accomplish some of the things that he talks

01:10:52.180 about, but he also scares the hell out of me.

01:10:54.120 Yeah.

01:10:54.420 Why?

01:10:54.600 Um, because he, he looks at humanity differently than I do.

01:11:01.280 He believes, he believes we'll come to a time when if you get cancer, we'll just download

01:11:05.860 you into a computer.

01:11:07.640 Well, that's not me, Ray.

01:11:09.500 That's, that, that's a copy of me.

01:11:12.460 That's not my soul.

01:11:13.280 And he doesn't believe in a soul.

01:11:14.340 So, you know.

01:11:15.220 But doesn't, that's a distinction without a difference to him.

01:11:17.480 Yeah.

01:11:17.820 But hang on.

01:11:18.320 And for you.

01:11:19.180 Okay.

01:11:19.500 But hang on.

01:11:20.200 Uh-huh.

01:11:20.440 When you pass the Turing test, when you get AI, look at how people already will treat

01:11:28.780 basic AI.

01:11:31.100 Right now, you have people, just with Siri, you have people like me who are like, shut 0.99

01:11:36.040 up, Siri, shut up. 0.96

01:11:37.800 But actually, Siri makes you a little mad or something irritates you. 0.99

01:11:40.540 And you don't mind, you know it's a machine.

01:11:42.840 There are others who are like, don't, don't, don't talk to Siri.

01:11:45.100 And they're serious.

01:11:45.880 Don't talk to Siri.

01:11:47.100 That's very low level.

01:11:48.860 I talked to a research psychologist, a sexual psychologist, and she said, I heard her on

01:11:57.820 a podcast and say, you know, we should get, we can get AI and we can put that into a body

01:12:05.300 and maybe a body of a robot of a child and give them to pedophiles to see if they can take

01:12:12.000 out their aggression on those because it'll be a lifelike experience.

01:12:15.500 And so they know they can get it out there and not on real children.

01:12:18.860 And I'm thinking to myself, Hey, that sounds nuts to the minute that that machine claims

01:12:26.840 to be conscious because it will, and it will not be human, but it will be convincing enough

01:12:34.660 to a human that you will start to have compassion for it.

01:12:39.240 Okay.

01:12:39.860 Hey, I don't want to be enslaving something that claims to be alive.

01:12:43.900 B you and I know it's not alive, but when it becomes convincing enough to be alive,

01:12:48.860 then what happens?

01:12:51.540 So here's why I'm not worried about it.

01:12:54.840 People anthropomorphize their pets.

01:12:57.680 People attribute human characteristics to animals all the time.

01:13:01.660 And yet we haven't gotten to the point where we give equal human rights to animals.

01:13:06.160 There are some people who want to, but it's not going to work.

01:13:09.360 It's never going to get to the point where we say it is.

01:13:12.560 I mean, we might get to the point where we can grow animal protein in the laboratory such

01:13:16.460 that we don't have to factory farm animals.

01:13:18.520 And we decided that's not the most ethical thing to do, but we're still not saying that

01:13:21.620 a chicken is basically a person.

01:13:23.360 But we feel doesn't have, we don't feel relate to a chicken.

01:13:27.180 We it's, they're not in sold in the same way.

01:13:30.180 We don't believe that they're in sold as people, people naturally, not everybody, not,

01:13:35.720 not, you know, a lot of atheists and a lot of materialists and a lot of, you know, philosophers

01:13:41.360 throughout history.

01:13:41.940 But most of us believe that we are in sold as people.

01:13:45.780 And there's something different about the human soul than any other being living or pseudo

01:13:50.620 living.

01:13:51.380 Well, I can't wait.

01:13:52.420 I got to wait.

01:13:53.020 I can't wait 20 years.

01:13:54.760 We both have to be alive.

01:13:56.140 We got to talk about this again, right?

01:13:57.560 We have to talk about it again.

01:13:58.180 We have to decide whether or not the robot is more like a person or more like a dog.

01:14:01.780 Yeah.

01:14:02.100 And then I'm telling you, it's going to be more like a majority of people because it will

01:14:07.560 become so lifelike and it will be very persuasive.

01:14:10.860 I think it's, Glenn, I think it's going to be more like my dog, Chucho.

01:14:13.820 Why?

01:14:14.140 I think because that, because we can, we can distinguish, you know, the fact that it isn't

01:14:19.140 a person.

01:14:19.680 You know what that is?

01:14:20.300 No.

01:14:20.700 Okay.

01:14:20.880 So, um, you know how Pixar, when they, any, any animation company, they, they take the

01:14:29.520 features and they make the eyes right big or they change them.

01:14:32.600 So, you know, it's not human because of something called the uncanny valley and you like something

01:14:39.440 that looks human.

01:14:40.900 Right.

01:14:41.440 And then all of a sudden it gets close enough to where it nose dives and people are like,

01:14:46.180 I don't like that.

01:14:47.100 And now I don't like it.

01:14:48.020 I don't like that.

01:14:48.620 That's creeping me out.

01:14:49.740 Right.

01:14:49.940 Right.

01:14:50.040 Right.

01:14:50.640 So we're still nose diving, but they think, and this is a big if they think if they can

01:14:56.580 really nail it, it'll come right back up.

01:15:00.480 That's it.

01:15:00.740 That's an empirical question.

01:15:01.820 Yeah.

01:15:01.960 It really is.

01:15:02.780 And it's a question we don't know the answer to, but I, I, you know, I, again, a part of

01:15:06.760 this is, is informed by my Christian faith that they're, this, the insolvent is inherently 0.93

01:15:12.020 known unless, I mean, there are going to be cases in which we become confused.

01:15:16.240 There are going to be cases in which we confuse ourselves on person because on purpose because

01:15:20.320 we're too clever by half.

01:15:22.020 But I can't even say it's male and female anymore.

01:15:26.640 Well, we can, because most people still do, I think, I think most people do and people

01:15:33.360 are afraid to say it.

01:15:34.980 People are afraid to say it, but I think that in the end, particularly when we're talking

01:15:39.340 about what is the essence of humanity, that we're not going to cross that line because

01:15:44.940 we can't, because the soul is still the soul.

01:15:49.320 Because the guy who said, you can't download your mind because you can't download the soul

01:15:53.160 in the end, he recognized, I mean, he inherently knew it.

01:15:55.860 Like he hadn't been thinking about this.

01:15:57.440 I presented him with this and it was just his.

01:15:59.220 But you started with, he is a deeply, you didn't use religious Muslim, he's deeply.

01:16:07.100 Pious. 0.98

01:16:07.760 Pious Muslim. 1.00

01:16:09.400 So you started with the premise that he's coming from a soul based point of view. 0.96

01:16:15.500 Right.

01:16:15.980 The world is going that way.

01:16:18.500 You know, unless there's a reconnection to that.

01:16:21.000 I think that we can get to that.

01:16:22.220 So therefore you have just defined what we need to do.

01:16:25.660 What we don't need to do is to try to put, you know, head to brakes on technology because

01:16:29.900 it's not going to happen.

01:16:30.580 That's an exercise in futility.

01:16:31.980 Right.

01:16:32.200 And it's, it's, what we need to do is if we really, if, if what the world that I think

01:16:37.700 is going to be and you want to be, even though you're not sure it's going to be, is where

01:16:41.080 we can tell, where we can distinguish the ensoulment of a being versus that, which is a simulacrum

01:16:46.700 for humanity.

01:16:48.440 I, I'm going to pretend I, I of course know what a simulacrum is, but there are probably

01:16:55.060 some people in the audience that don't know what something, something that simulates something

01:16:59.300 else, something that looks like it, but it isn't.

01:17:01.040 Okay.

01:17:01.260 It's a simulacrum.

01:17:02.080 Okay. 0.87

01:17:02.200 So it's a, so you know, the, the, the, the super lifelike, you know, dumb it down here.

01:17:06.540 Well, no.

01:17:07.280 Mr. Harvard professor.

01:17:08.520 Dumb it down.

01:17:10.440 I have no idea. 0.96

01:17:11.460 Every fifth word.

01:17:12.240 I'm like, I have no idea.

01:17:13.120 Hey man, you, you, you were giving me the acronyms, AGI and ASI.

01:17:16.920 I'm like, oh man, it's like, you're killing me, man.

01:17:19.240 I'm just an economist.

01:17:20.440 So the, you know, one way or the other, whether or not I'm right or your fears come to pass

01:17:29.360 or whether or not my confidence is more appropriate, one way or the other, the world's going to be

01:17:33.680 better.

01:17:34.240 What a way to frame that.

01:17:36.440 Did you hear that?

01:17:37.840 Your fears and my confidence.

01:17:40.060 How about my confidence and your lunatic utopian, loving your enemies, man, and the robots

01:17:49.460 too. 0.99

01:17:50.100 They're trying to kill us, but it's all good.

01:17:51.940 Anyway.

01:17:52.240 So, so one way or the other, if we don't like the idea where people can't distinguish and

01:17:58.760 where people are no longer fully human because humanity is now, is now manufactured.

01:18:03.800 If we don't want that, then we have to actually fight it.

01:18:07.020 And the only way that we can fight it is by, by remembering the one thing that the robot

01:18:10.860 can never have, which is divinity.

01:18:12.660 The robot can't have divinity.

01:18:14.260 And if we believe the divinity actually exists, we have to make sure that people continue to

01:18:18.140 understand that.

01:18:18.760 And that means we need a revolution of faith.

01:18:21.240 We need a revolution of soul.

01:18:22.940 We need a revolution of the heart that nothing else is going to do it.

01:18:26.800 You know, tech is not going to take care of us.

01:18:28.640 If, if, if, if Christians and Jews and Muslims and Hindus, and they actually believe that

01:18:33.240 these things are true, then they need a re-evangelization.

01:18:36.060 We need a new enlightenment.

01:18:37.340 And, and the good news is that traditionally throughout American history, these enlightenments,

01:18:42.540 these, these times of, you know, great religious fervor, they come along with self-improvement

01:18:46.520 movements.

01:18:47.360 You know, the temperance movement was fundamentally religious and it had to do with evangelical Christianity

01:18:51.280 coming across the United States.

01:18:53.180 And, you know, you know, the, the, the, the big burst of activity of the, the church

01:18:57.140 of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, your church was during the self-improvement

01:19:00.820 movement.

01:19:01.140 It was part and parcel of the self-improvement movement.

01:19:03.360 And so you can't disentangle, you can't, uh, uh, to take apart self-improvement from religious

01:19:10.380 fervor.

01:19:11.000 Let's not try to do it.

01:19:12.260 What we need then is we need religious entrepreneurs that are reminding people of the divinity that

01:19:18.200 is within each one of us.

01:19:19.600 That is our ultimate defense.

01:19:21.460 Okay.

01:19:21.860 So I a hundred percent agree.

01:19:24.240 Let me take you then quickly to, to faith.

01:19:27.240 I was talking to Billy Graham and I said, where, where, where do you, where do you see this

01:19:33.600 headed?

01:19:34.600 How is, how are we going to navigate this?

01:19:37.240 And he said, um, the next great awakening is not going to happen with one guy.

01:19:42.660 There's not going to be a Billy Graham.

01:19:45.040 It's going to be individuals, all of the individuals just rising up and doing it themselves.

01:19:51.860 He did not mean this, but I, I, uh, I do.

01:19:56.700 Um, I agree with that.

01:19:58.540 And I think the church, unless the church, and I say that as a whole body wakes up to

01:20:07.160 reality, you know, what people are really feeling, what people are really struggling with, what

01:20:14.120 they're really afraid of.

01:20:15.660 And I got, I got more out of, uh, you know, a couple of hours with Tony Robbins.

01:20:22.780 That's deep, that's deep.

01:20:25.180 Then you get in a lot of churches and some of these churches are violating their own principles.

01:20:31.820 Yeah.

01:20:32.460 Um, my own church, I'm a Catholic and it's, it's in crisis.

01:20:35.440 It's just in crisis.

01:20:36.740 We are.

01:20:37.040 I think we all are.

01:20:37.780 The people are in the Southern Baptist to have that terrible report that talked about

01:20:41.820 sexual abuse and, you know, we're not living up to our own standards for sure.

01:20:45.700 And people are, you know, the, the biggest rise in religious activity, you know, the category,

01:20:49.060 you know what it is?

01:20:49.960 Nuns, not N-U-N-S, N-O-N-E-S, the non-affiliated people. 0.98

01:20:54.420 That's a huge crisis because it just means people are walking away.

01:20:57.600 People are just like bored.

01:20:58.840 It's inactivity.

01:20:59.840 It's just, it's torpor.

01:21:01.800 It's, you know, the kind of thing where it's funny.

01:21:03.280 I was in, on, on Christmas day, I was in Barcelona, which is where I go a lot because my wife's

01:21:06.800 from Barcelona and, uh, I went to Christmas mass in Barcelona and there were like 12 people

01:21:12.980 in church at Christmas mass.

01:21:14.740 It's a former living in Spain.

01:21:16.640 In Spain.

01:21:16.920 Spain is a formerly Catholic country.

01:21:19.060 Yeah.

01:21:19.560 He used to torture you if you weren't.

01:21:21.980 Perka motto is a long time ago.

01:21:23.680 A long time ago.

01:21:24.240 Yes.

01:21:24.560 I'll give you that.

01:21:26.840 So, but, but, you know, I have 20 years ago, you know, went to the same church and had

01:21:32.060 my son, my oldest son was baptized 21 years ago in that same church.

01:21:36.020 It was on Christmas mass.

01:21:37.340 It was full and it's emptied out.

01:21:39.720 And that's what, that's the real threat that we face.

01:21:42.060 And that's, you know, what we need is a revolution of interest and of each person actually finding

01:21:47.200 the fire within.

01:21:48.560 Well, how do we do that?

01:21:49.440 You know, it's interesting because when you look back at Poland at the end of the, at the

01:21:54.640 end of the cold war, when the nine days in Poland, when JP two, when John Paul II, he

01:21:59.560 went there and you know, the communists, they had to, they had to let him come and there was

01:22:03.680 just no, nothing that they could do, but they could keep, they were trying to keep control.

01:22:06.680 And a third of the country saw him in person during those nine days.

01:22:11.420 I mean, he was just like mobbed every place.

01:22:13.560 And in, and finally in, in Warsaw, in the central square that on the last day, when in unison,

01:22:19.340 a million people started to chant, we want God.

01:22:23.060 That wasn't JP two.

01:22:24.260 That was the heart of each person in unison saying, I demand divinity.

01:22:29.660 I demand to be fully alive.

01:22:31.640 I demand to be a human.

01:22:33.500 What is the ultimate dehumanizing system?

01:22:35.740 Communism.

01:22:36.900 Communism is what turns us into the robots.

01:22:38.840 It makes us into homo economicus, you know, where we're nothing more than an economic 0.96

01:22:43.480 unit, right?

01:22:44.660 It makes us into the, you know, the dystopian fears that we have about tech, about being

01:22:49.620 able to distinguish between the people and the machines and, and the machines substituting

01:22:54.100 for the people that, you know, communism is like kind of, it's a little, it's like a

01:22:58.500 little demonstration project for that.

01:23:01.920 Right.

01:23:02.620 And how did, how was that beaten?

01:23:04.520 That was beaten through two things where Ronald Reagan showed the rest of the world.

01:23:10.100 He said, you know what you want.

01:23:11.340 You want to be free.

01:23:12.320 You want to throw off your chains.

01:23:13.700 And John Paul II said, and you want God because you have the divine within you.

01:23:18.640 And those two things, they brought down the iron curtain.

01:23:23.800 Okay.

01:23:24.520 So maybe the iron curtain is going to be the silicon curtain.

01:23:28.080 Maybe that's what we're going to be talking about.

01:23:29.960 Maybe the dystopian future is one where there are these alternatives, but there's

01:23:34.500 there's still only going to be one future, which is defining the divine within and finding

01:23:40.440 the liberty of what it means to be fully alive and to be living my own life because I'm a

01:23:44.980 true individual.

01:23:45.960 I'm not a cog in the machine.

01:23:47.800 I am somebody who's, you know, who has incarnated soul.

01:23:51.520 And, you know, and, and if we actually, as those of us who are leaders who believe these

01:23:54.900 things, if we're going to do one thing, it's that we have to propagate this and we have

01:23:59.260 to teach people that this is true.

01:24:00.460 And we have to show people how to live that and then they'll be free.

01:24:04.940 This has been a blast.

01:24:06.500 Thank you.

01:24:07.200 Glenn Beck.

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01:24:10.240 The name of the book is love your enemies.

01:24:12.500 Arthur C.

01:24:13.260 Brooks.

01:24:13.940 Thanks, Arthur.

01:24:14.720 Thank you, Glenn.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 13, 2019

Ep 32 ｜ Arthur Brooks ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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