The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 4 ｜ Cassie Jaye ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Have you ever honestly questioned and challenged your own belief?

00:00:05.040 Even when it was uncomfortable, even when you knew it was going to shake the foundations of your life and your relationships, are you willing to go there and question?

00:00:14.200 If you've done it, you have one thing in common with all the others who have done it.

00:00:20.200 Courage.

00:00:21.540 They faced the uncomfortable.

00:00:23.460 They walked through the unknown.

00:00:24.680 They learned the kinds of things that can only be discovered when you're on an honest search for truth.

00:00:31.740 Honest search.

00:00:32.420 That doesn't happen very often anymore.

00:00:35.280 On this episode of the podcast, I met with Cassie J.

00:00:38.440 I find her one of the most honest and humble people, in my opinion.

00:00:42.560 And this conversation is, frankly, shocking in her ability to say, okay, wait a minute, let me just try this thought out.

00:00:50.380 I don't know if this will even work.

00:00:52.820 It's shocking for someone to be as vulnerable as she is.

00:00:57.480 Three years ago, she was a liberal feminist, and she decided to investigate the men's rights movement.

00:01:02.900 She thought at the time that they were misogynists.

00:01:05.140 But she wasn't going in just to do a hit job. 0.84

00:01:07.480 She was willing to listen and talk to both sides.

00:01:12.060 Somewhere in the process, she began to question her own belief.

00:01:15.300 We dive into the taboo topics surrounding gender equality, child custody rights, even abortion.

00:01:24.500 Come to the table with a wide open mind on this one.

00:01:28.900 Today's podcast, Cassie J.

00:01:31.260 Describe yourself five years ago.

00:01:48.280 Who were you?

00:01:48.840 Well, I was very feminist. 0.95

00:01:56.520 I was very liberal, although I would say today I still am liberal, but I guess that's debatable.

00:02:03.260 Wait, wait.

00:02:04.000 Debatable for you or debatable for the people that you used to be friends with or used to have support from?

00:02:09.800 I feel like my liberal views didn't change, but the center shifted.

00:02:18.440 So I think as far as my politics and why I became a Democrat and a liberal.

00:02:26.420 Can you describe liberal?

00:02:28.100 What do you mean by liberal?

00:02:31.100 That's great because we do have to define the words we use.

00:02:33.920 We do.

00:02:34.380 Yeah.

00:02:35.480 Unlike postmodernists, I think words have meaning.

00:02:37.680 Yeah, but we all have to use the same dictionary.

00:02:40.440 That's the problem.

00:02:41.160 That's why there's so much miscommunication.

00:02:43.700 So liberal to me means wanting to do what's best for the whole and consider those that are most disadvantaged in the system.

00:02:56.460 And this is where I start to lose my footing a little bit, which is, are we all born with a hierarchy based on our race and gender and things like that?

00:03:10.720 And you would have five years ago said yes.

00:03:12.520 Yes, absolutely.

00:03:13.480 Yeah.

00:03:13.660 I was a Marxist feminist.

00:03:17.140 But now I'm, I think when we talk about social issues and politics today, we really have to look at right now what's going on.

00:03:26.200 And I think, of course, looking at history is, is beneficial to educate yourself and know how to move forward in the best way.

00:03:36.160 But I do think that times change.

00:03:39.220 And to me, the country is not the same country it was 10 years ago.

00:03:43.360 And politics aren't the same as they were 10 years ago.

00:03:45.880 And 10 years ago, I was a different person.

00:03:49.200 I was making a documentary on sex education and women's rights.

00:03:54.480 It was, I, I had Planned Parenthood hosted a Northwestern and Alaskan screening tour of my film.

00:04:03.400 And so I was speaking on behalf of Planned Parenthood and going to the marches and standing with them.

00:04:08.040 Then I made a film on gay marriage.

00:04:10.040 And that was a few years before it was legalized across the nation, same sex marriage.

00:04:15.060 And, you know, I think what's consistent is I look at who the underdog is and I want to stand up for them and give them a voice.

00:04:25.480 And so I do, I am proud of the work I did 10 years ago and five years ago.

00:04:31.420 But I think today it is a different world.

00:04:33.940 So what is, I'm trying to understand, you would think, because this is the way people are now, that things are different than they were 10 years ago.

00:04:47.600 But they're just much more intense.

00:04:49.200 And now everything's riding on it.

00:04:50.920 And now is not the time to let your foot up off the gas.

00:04:54.500 What, what do you mean things have changed in the last 10 years?

00:04:57.880 Not the same country.

00:05:00.260 And so it's, what's changed?

00:05:03.060 I think there has been a power shift.

00:05:06.680 And, and I don't know if we'll agree on this or if you'll see my point of view on this, because I live in the San Francisco Bay Area.

00:05:14.160 So I really am in a bubble of, you know, liberal thinking for everything.

00:05:19.660 And in the Bay Area, I feel like my views are conservative, although I still proudly say I'm a liberal.

00:05:26.360 But I think there, there's so much of one side and one opinion and so much silencing of anything that critiques that mainstream view.

00:05:39.320 And I think, you know, the tribalism has gotten so out of control that you're not able to raise your hand and say, hey, maybe we're not doing this right with our own tribe.

00:05:52.480 Maybe we should look at that.

00:05:53.660 That doesn't really follow with what we're saying we're about.

00:05:56.420 But, but I've found that you're not allowed to criticize your own tribe or you'll be kicked out and labeled with all the other people they see as their enemy.

00:06:10.640 I think that's happening on both sides.

00:06:12.020 Yes. I mean, I think if you, you know, it's, I hear a lot of train talk lately.

00:06:17.120 You're either on the train or you're off the train.

00:06:19.140 Well, you know, where's the train going?

00:06:22.840 Where's the train going?

00:06:25.400 So you were very liberal and, and with Planned Parenthood and feminists and Marxists.

00:06:35.440 Was the turning point the red pill for you?

00:06:38.720 Yes.

00:06:39.580 Tell me about that.

00:06:40.440 So I went in with the intention of helping women's rights by exposing the misogynists that are keeping women down. 0.68

00:06:52.820 And so in 2013, I started filming men's rights activists to make the red pill movie. 0.54

00:06:59.640 And I was a staunch feminist myself of about 10 years.

00:07:04.480 And why did they trust you?

00:07:07.800 I don't think they did trust me.

00:07:09.660 Okay.

00:07:09.760 I think they were eager to finally get to able, to be able to speak their views and have a journalist share their views with the world, whether, whether or not it was positive or negative.

00:07:23.180 They were just happy to be getting the call for, for the press.

00:07:27.120 So they didn't trust me.

00:07:29.980 And actually, I think, you know, in the beginning, in the early days of making the red pill, feminists were really fascinated by what I was doing.

00:07:38.240 And I actually got offered funding by a major feminist organization. 0.87

00:07:44.400 And I turned it down because I didn't want to be answering to anyone.

00:07:48.800 I didn't want to lose creative control over the project.

00:07:50.940 Right.

00:07:51.060 Good for you.

00:07:53.080 You know how rare you are?

00:07:54.880 Sincerely.

00:07:55.360 I know.

00:07:56.240 I do know, actually.

00:07:58.140 I've seen this happen on both sides where people will come in and they say, no, no, we're just looking for the truth.

00:08:04.980 And then they edit and it's all agenda driven.

00:08:08.980 And, and not only that, I can't tell you how many interviews I've done where I'm on your side of the table.

00:08:18.620 The interviewer is not listening.

00:08:20.820 They're not listening.

00:08:22.680 They have their storyline that they want to do and they're not listening.

00:08:29.460 You could, when you talk to them, you could just put your hand in front of their eyes.

00:08:33.360 They say, hello, are you even in there?

00:08:34.660 Are you listening?

00:08:35.840 They are, they're not, there's, there's no genuine curiosity, it seems, many times.

00:08:44.700 Have you seen that?

00:08:47.920 Oh, yeah.

00:08:48.700 I mean, they're, to give a bad analogy to it, it's like a pitcher with, with someone up to bat.

00:08:57.060 You know, if you're on the same team, you want to give a good pitch so that they hit it out of the ballpark for training.

00:09:02.460 But if you're on the opposite team, you want them to miss, strike out.

00:09:06.240 And I, I do think that the, well, I, and see, I, I hate to, to make a blanket statement about all liberal, you know, press that, but it is mostly the, the far left press that has, has embellished and falsified my information.

00:09:26.320 And how, how about this?

00:09:27.780 Cause it's, it, it has been for you and it has been for me, but I've also seen it.

00:09:32.720 I've also seen it on, on, you know, disreputable websites, et cetera, et cetera, on the, on the right.

00:09:39.720 But, uh, that it is, it is, um, it's those who believe they are right and will do anything.

00:09:51.620 I think that's the problem is we become certain of our point of view.

00:09:56.340 And so when I walk into an interview, like you walked in with them, if you were certain that you were right and they were wrong, you didn't have to listen to them.

00:10:07.200 You just need them to get you to say the things that you know they're going to say, and then you'll edit that.

00:10:13.200 And if they don't say those things, well, you're certain that that's who they are anyway.

00:10:17.800 Right?

00:10:18.500 Yeah.

00:10:18.940 Oh yeah.

00:10:19.280 So what made you different?

00:10:21.960 Why didn't that happen to you?

00:10:24.780 Well, I did go into interviewing men's rights activists, assuming the worst of them.

00:10:30.760 And I was hoping for them to lash out, to say anti-women things, to maybe even threaten me, uh, because I was going in with an agenda.

00:10:42.620 I was, uh, and then I realized that of the 44 people I interviewed for the red pill,

00:10:49.280 that was not the story I gathered.

00:10:52.260 And I spent two, two hours up to eight hours interviewing each individual person.

00:10:58.820 And it was not the, the truth of the matter was not what I set out to, to make a film about, but I had over a hundred hours of footage.

00:11:09.360 And I do believe that I went on probably the most beneficial life-changing experience of my life today.

00:11:16.280 I'm 32, but it changed my life for the better hearing their perspective and learning about these issues and how it influenced my own relationship with now my husband of almost three months.

00:11:28.200 Um, so I knew that there was a story here and if only I benefited from going on this journey, so be it.

00:11:37.240 But I wanted it, I wanted it to become a documentary because I wanted to share with everyone else what I learned.

00:11:42.840 Thinking at the time, your side would say, oh, wow, interesting.

00:11:49.160 I actually did think that my feminist colleagues would appreciate the film I made because it is about gender equality. 0.99

00:11:57.440 Yeah.

00:11:57.760 It's just looking at the other gender, men. 0.99

00:11:59.880 And so I thought I would have support from my leftist feminist friends. 1.00

00:12:07.540 And when I started to show them the trailer and the teaser video I had for a Kickstarter campaign, I was crowdfunding for post-production.

00:12:16.260 They told me that they didn't want to promote it because it didn't show men's rights activists being violent.

00:12:21.740 They wanted to see them being violent in the video.

00:12:24.480 And I didn't have that.

00:12:25.620 They weren't violent.

00:12:26.200 So I realized I wasn't, I wasn't going to have automatic support from the feminist community. 1.00

00:12:33.880 Um, but I ended up having support from people who support free speech when they realized that I, in a way, indirectly, I was being silenced because I, I had media silence from the left, like a gag order to not talk about this film.

00:12:51.240 Don't make eye contact with this filmmaker.

00:12:53.260 Um, so in, indirectly, you know, it is, is a form of censorship.

00:12:59.140 If you can't get your story out there through the press.

00:13:01.820 A couple of questions.

00:13:22.340 First, because in, in watching, you did a great service.

00:13:29.620 You kept a video diary and, um, you can see the struggle in you as you're, as some of your worldview is, is starting to crumble a little bit.

00:13:43.500 Um, and, and, and I can't help but think, cause I, I, I, I know people think this about me and I think this about people.

00:13:55.900 I just did an interview with somebody last week and I started the interview with, I don't know if I can trust you, you know, um, how did you, how did you beat back the doubt of I'm being duped?

00:14:13.220 I, I mean, are these guys, I, I mean, are these guys, are they real?

00:14:17.080 How did that happen?

00:14:18.460 Did you go through that?

00:14:20.160 Oh yeah.

00:14:20.720 And then sometimes I think the MRAs are just duping me and giving such a strong pitch about what they believe in to convince me of something that's actually just some out there theory that men are discriminated against and women are, have the advantage.

00:14:42.100 My journey in making the red pill was much more, uh, these very high and very low spikes.

00:14:53.480 And in the film, I show some of that, my struggle going through trying to listen to men's rights activists and process with my own feminist mindset, how, how to make sense of this.

00:15:02.920 Where does this fit into my eye, my ideology and how I look at the world.

00:15:06.760 I think I agree with everything you said, but there's, there's still some kind of unsettling doubt and I don't know where that's coming from.

00:15:16.140 So I went through a lot of upside downs and, and often the downs were feeling duped, feeling like from both sides, you know, so, um, feeling duped by the men's rights activists thinking, oh, they're just, they're good salesmen or they're, they're good putting on an, 0.50

00:15:36.740 act in a show and putting on their best face for the interview.

00:15:40.000 And, and when I leave, then, then they're the misogynists that I believe that they were.

00:15:45.480 Um, and then the other lows that I had was feeling duped by feminists because I started digging into the gender wage cap more wanting to find the source of the, the actual study that they're using to say that women make 77 cents on a man's dollar. 1.00

00:16:01.220 And it was a huge letdown to realize that it wasn't the way it was being presented by the mainstream media that women are being discriminated against just based on their gender. 0.97

00:16:13.740 I mean, we, we have the equal pay act from many decades ago.

00:16:16.480 It's not legal to pay someone less just based on their gender, but there is a, a gap in earnings.

00:16:23.280 And so the more I dug into it, realizing that, okay, women make different choices and motherhood and all that. 1.00

00:16:29.700 And they're not less, that's not less, that's not less of a choice.

00:16:33.240 That's not a, none of these things are bad.

00:16:36.700 Right.

00:16:37.280 And, and if, you know, feminists were wanting women to earn just as much as men, it's not necessarily a lifestyle that a lot of women would want to live. 1.00

00:16:45.820 I mean, I like home work-life balance and, uh, you know, I like my leisure time.

00:16:52.520 I like to read, I like to work out, you know, it's, I don't want to work 70 hours a week.

00:16:57.780 And, um, so I realized that when I, when I started to see all, all these publications I used to trust and public figures that I used to trust,

00:17:06.860 talking about the wage gap and, and letting people assume that all women are being paid less than men, um, it made me realize that's, that's abusive to women, to their mind.

00:17:22.220 Because I, I've seen teenage girls break down in tears saying that they want to become a doctor, but they, they don't want to do it if they're going to be paid 77 cents to a man's dollar.

00:17:33.440 They want to become a female filmmaker, but, but they'll never be able to be as good as a male director because they're always going to be paid less and not given the same opportunities. 1.00

00:17:43.520 And it's so sad to me because I really do care about women and especially young girls feeling empowered that they can do and be anything they want to do and be.

00:17:52.860 And so I started to see all these lies and these myths as actually being abusive to women and girls.

00:17:59.680 And, and, and I wanted to, I wanted to help women by saying, actually, you can do anything you want to in the world.

00:18:09.220 It just takes hard work and dealing with rejection because we all deal with rejection.

00:18:14.060 And, um, but I see so many young women, especially today with fourth wave feminism, reveling in this victimhood mentality and letting it define everything that they do and preventing them from succeeding in life because they believe everywhere they go, they're going to be a victim. 1.00

00:18:34.980 And there are many people that have horrible things happen to them and it wasn't their fault and it shouldn't have happened to them, but your responsibility is how you react and picking yourself up from that.

00:18:51.240 And right now I think we're teaching, feminism is teaching young women to be angry and give up because the world is against them, patriarchy is against them.

00:19:07.060 And, and, and, and, and in the Bay area, especially, I see this brewing.

00:19:13.400 I mean, the, the anger is just palpable and, and I, I see so many women who have a lot of potential not living up to it because they believe they were born a victim.

00:19:26.380 Um, so help me out.

00:19:30.940 Let's say I'm a feminist. 0.99

00:19:34.580 I'm, I'm you five years ago.

00:19:38.220 To what end?

00:19:40.580 To what end would these organizations, why would they do that?

00:19:44.420 That makes no sense.

00:19:46.680 Why would they victimize women and keep them down to what end?

00:19:51.360 I think any movement needs a common enemy.

00:20:00.100 And I think modern feminism has identified men as the enemy.

00:20:06.520 And when they say they're the movement for gender equality, that if you believe in gender equality, you should be a feminist.

00:20:13.640 I don't believe they're truly for both the genders having equal treatment and justice and, and being treated fairly and with respect, uh, because they are willing to step on men and their issues in the process. 0.92

00:20:32.040 And just brush over all of them or blame men as the problem of those issues, which the red pill movie talks about the common feminist reaction to hearing about men's issues is that, well, it's the fault of the patriarchy. 1.00

00:20:46.100 And if there are things going on with men, it's men's fault because men have all the power.

00:20:51.240 They have all the privilege.

00:20:52.020 So it's their responsibility to take care of their own if they really do have issues, which a lot of feminists don't believe men have issues, um, but they blame it on them. 1.00

00:21:03.860 So therefore it's not our problem to deal with.

00:21:05.840 So in that way, I don't see feminism as the one and only movement for gender equality.

00:21:12.900 If you're demonizing one half of the population saying that they're the fault of their own problems and this other half, it's not our problem to deal with.

00:21:22.740 But then when you do try to deal with it, like the red pill movie tries to educate people on what are men's issues.

00:21:29.560 A lot of people can't even list off the laundry list of them.

00:21:32.500 They can think of a few women's issues off the top of their head because they've been repeated it so much in the media. 1.00

00:21:38.540 And one of those first issues that most people would say is the wage gap, which I found out was a myth.

00:21:44.360 So there's an information gap on what are men's issues.

00:21:49.220 And, and, and I do see silencing taking place and deplatforming and trying to keep this other half of the narrative just erased from history or, or current day politics.

00:22:06.260 Um, so.

00:22:07.580 That's a frightening statement.

00:22:09.880 Did you hear what you just said?

00:22:11.960 Erased from history.

00:22:13.420 Do you believe that?

00:22:16.540 Yeah.

00:22:16.720 Or was that, that's terrifying, isn't it?

00:22:19.980 I see it happening all the time because.

00:22:24.080 I see rewriting of history and.

00:22:27.000 Okay.

00:22:27.400 Follow me here.

00:22:30.160 Present day.

00:22:31.920 10, 50 years from now, this will be history.

00:22:34.080 Right now, what's really going on today is being rewritten in the moment by the media, by Wikipedia pages, by, I mean.

00:22:44.040 You don't have to tell me.

00:22:45.280 I mean, I know.

00:22:46.520 I mean, the, the tea party in 2010 was smeared and everything else.

00:22:50.760 And there's some crazy people and everything else like there isn't any big movement.

00:22:54.160 But in the year in pictures in Time Magazine, not one photograph in 2010.

00:23:02.340 How's that possible?

00:23:04.580 What?

00:23:05.260 Yeah.

00:23:06.380 Gone.

00:23:07.260 Not one photograph.

00:23:09.780 How do you not put when you're doing a year in review, how do you not cover that?

00:23:17.640 Unless you are writing for future generations and you are erasing in real time.

00:23:24.160 When you're talking about the average person, does the average person have a chance to escape?

00:23:50.020 They don't have your, they're not going to have your ability and it wouldn't, or your car crash, if you will.

00:24:01.040 And I wouldn't wish a car crash on anybody.

00:24:03.820 How do they get out?

00:24:05.740 I really don't know because it took me so long with so much research and the willingness to, if, if I do find out I'm wrong, to accept that.

00:24:22.080 So scary, isn't it?

00:24:23.080 Because that, that was the hard part was you could do research, but still you're, you're looking at it with, with blinders on wanting to find what supports your current day views.

00:24:32.060 But if, if you're going in really doing research with being willing to have your mind changed, if you find evidence, facts that contradict your current beliefs.

00:24:44.880 What does that take to do that?

00:24:50.220 It's the scariest thing.

00:24:53.640 I read Carl Sagan in 95, I think, and, um, recovering alcoholic.

00:25:00.300 And I was at the bottom, I was just starting my recovery.

00:25:02.520 And I realized I don't believe in God because I know God.

00:25:06.600 I believe in God because somebody told me.

00:25:08.940 So I'm really actually an agnostic.

00:25:13.340 Um, I took all of these things and, uh, I, I, I wouldn't accept anything until I knew why I knew.

00:25:23.760 And the scary thing is at the beginning of that is you don't know what you're going to find.

00:25:30.200 You don't know who you're going to be at the end of it.

00:25:33.280 And you're pretty sure that there are going to be some things that you have to embrace that you don't want to embrace.

00:25:43.740 It's deep work.

00:25:45.760 It's looking at the shadow side.

00:25:48.500 It's, you know, I liken it to a very messy closet that you've just pushed, you know, everything in that you don't want to see out and about because it stresses you out of this mess.

00:25:58.580 So you just put it in a closet, shut the door, and then say 10 years later, you're moving or something and you got to go through this stuff.

00:26:06.040 You don't necessarily want to have people watching you look through your past and, and look through all the stuff that you haven't wanted to look at on a daily basis because you, you can't get by.

00:26:19.460 You can't get through the day.

00:26:20.480 That's the problem with what I went through in this three and a half year long journey of making the red pill was, you know, I am a hermit.

00:26:29.040 I'm, I'm introvert.

00:26:30.060 Uh, I have a very small network of friends and family that I ultimately trust to no end.

00:26:36.400 Um, but I, I'm a very private person.

00:26:38.800 And so I was able to do that deep work and explain to my mom or my boyfriend at the time who became my husband that I was challenging my views.

00:26:48.280 And that was really scary because I didn't know if they were going to accept me for changing.

00:26:53.440 And I think a lot of people don't change because they don't want to lose their network or their place in life, their job, their family support.

00:27:05.420 And, uh, I think that's why the car crash is necessary.

00:27:09.440 Yeah.

00:27:09.840 I had somebody write to me this week who had a car crash and said, I understand what you're trying to do and what you're trying to say, but I don't think any of this will work until everybody hits their own bottom.

00:27:27.100 And if the bottom is getting so scary now, I mean, what is our bottom as a nation?

00:27:34.160 What's our bottom?

00:27:36.440 Hmm.

00:27:39.840 I hope it's not too much farther.

00:27:44.140 I mean, I, I think ultimately what we all want is freedom to be who we are.

00:27:51.680 Um, of course we have to look at, you know, the system and how it can work for everyone.

00:27:57.780 Although it's impossible.

00:27:59.280 I think it's impossible to have a system that works for however many million people are in this country.

00:28:04.860 And, but, but we have to continue trying to do our best and thinking of everyone.

00:28:12.860 Um, but we also have to teach people to be accountable and responsible for their actions.

00:28:21.500 And that, I mean, it's, it is, I mean, life is hard work, you know, but, but also to make something of yourself is really hard work.

00:28:33.580 And, um.

00:28:37.440 Are these new discoveries for you?

00:28:42.260 I don't know.

00:28:43.440 I, cause I went through such a transformation.

00:28:46.000 I feel like I'm starting with a blank slate again, a blank canvas.

00:28:49.100 And I don't know.

00:28:50.320 You don't know what's old and what's new or just what's clarified.

00:28:54.100 Yeah.

00:28:55.720 I, I mean, I grew up very evangelical Christian and in that way I was kind of in a bubble until I was about 18, 19.

00:29:04.420 And then right when I was leaving the church, I became a radical feminist and spent the next year, 10 years working on those issues.

00:29:15.180 Um.

00:29:15.740 What role did the church play in pushing you that direction, if any?

00:29:21.620 Um, well, it was actually, cause the, when I left the church and when I became a feminist, what I was really researching was sexual politics.

00:29:34.180 And so I think growing up in the church and having that be a taboo topic that you can't talk about.

00:29:40.740 And, and it's, um, you know, I, I was very modest growing up and, and, uh, still am, but that didn't really change.

00:29:49.820 But, um, but it was very taboo.

00:29:52.900 But then I saw a lot of, um, the, my girlfriends not walking what they preached. 0.98

00:29:59.920 And I saw a lot of, uh, religious girlfriends of mine getting abortions and, um, and it made me start to question, you know.

00:30:10.040 Christ is great. 1.00

00:30:11.040 His followers suck. 1.00

00:30:12.480 Sometimes. 1.00

00:30:12.740 Yeah.

00:30:14.400 Yeah.

00:30:14.900 And so I, I was just really in it.

00:30:16.960 And so also during that time, as I moved to LA at 18, so that really was a shock to the system because, um, you know, it was LA and, and I was a struggling actress.

00:30:27.840 And so I saw some of the worst parts of the film industry.

00:30:30.700 Um, and I think that's what made me a feminist. 1.00

00:30:35.360 I think, I think LA, especially for young women does breed feminists because you do have a chip on your shoulder and you, you are treated in a way that's very uncomfortable and not what you want. 1.00

00:30:48.740 How do you, as a feminist, how do they reconcile that Hollywood is as left as they come and yet it is a cesspool of dirtbags? 1.00

00:31:02.100 Oh gosh. 0.95

00:31:04.340 That's an honest question.

00:31:05.400 I'm not asking to.

00:31:07.340 Well, Hollywood is a different world.

00:31:08.660 It's not like any other industry.

00:31:10.580 There are no rules really.

00:31:12.280 I mean, if you're a filmmaker with money and you want to make a film, you can cast whoever you wish to cast.

00:31:17.540 And if there is a beautiful woman that you would really like to be with, and she says, I will sleep with you.

00:31:24.580 If you give me that role, that happens all the time.

00:31:26.820 It really does.

00:31:28.600 Um, so the exchange of power, and this is something I learned from the red pill that, that gender issues are not apples to apples. 1.00

00:31:37.760 They're apples and oranges.

00:31:38.800 I mean, men's power really is in, in success in their industry and, and wealth and, uh, connections that they have or praise and respect that they get and say like a musician, he may not be wealthy, he's struggling, but he, he gets the recognition and praise for his talents.

00:31:56.980 So women, uh, seek to marry up, which is called hypergamy. 1.00

00:32:04.520 And that usually means into wealth and status and men really do value and appreciate women's beauty.

00:32:13.360 And so what I learned from the red pill and men's rights activists. 0.95

00:32:17.840 Okay.

00:32:19.280 Is there anything but nature going on with that?

00:32:26.840 Men are very visual.

00:32:28.760 I mean, which star, which is very visual.

00:32:31.740 Is there anything but nature?

00:32:35.040 Maybe it's, maybe it's nurture on this that women, um, look to marry up. 1.00

00:32:41.900 I mean, guys are looking to marry up to, you know what I mean?

00:32:46.360 Is there, is there anything but nature happening there?

00:32:50.540 I think there could be societal influences, you know?

00:32:53.800 Um, I think women also do play up their beauty because they know that they can get more attention and, um, you know, treated better. 1.00

00:33:02.580 I mean, I see it all the time with, uh, chivalry still does exist and feminists are not complaining about that. 1.00

00:33:10.000 But I was on a plane to come here and saw pretty much every woman who had an overhead bag. 1.00

00:33:15.540 A man got it down from her, uh, from there for her.

00:33:19.280 And I thought that was wonderful.

00:33:21.140 And yes, you could say, well, uh, you know, men are taller, stronger, more fit, and therefore they should do that.

00:33:27.320 But there are plenty of guys who aren't as tall or strong as, as women, but they still go out of their way to open the door and, you know, do things for them.

00:33:34.620 And that's okay, right?

00:33:34.980 I think it's wonderful.

00:33:36.660 We are different.

00:33:37.640 A lot of feminists don't, don't think that's okay. 1.00

00:33:41.040 And don't say what you just said.

00:33:43.460 We are different.

00:33:44.360 We are different.

00:33:45.020 And that's what I learned from the red pill, because I, I think in a way, when I was a feminist, I really did hope for an, an androgynous society. 0.82

00:33:55.460 How boring would that be?

00:33:58.440 But I had a chip on my shoulder.

00:33:59.840 And I think especially young women, they go through this phase because they get unwanted sexual tension.

00:34:06.140 And when you go through that, there are a lot of things women are dealing with. 1.00

00:34:10.340 One is the unwanted sexual tension, especially if you're a woman who develops early or, um, are, are in an industry that's male dominated, then you can feel on edge and like you always have a thread around.

00:34:22.400 And so a lot of women become feminists through that or, or have, you know, horrible experiences that happen to them. 1.00

00:34:28.220 That's why a lot of people become activists is they have something personal happen to them.

00:34:31.820 Um, but I, another way that I think women, I'm sorry if this is, uh, off limits to talk about, but, um, women are reminded, at least of childbearing age, women are reminded on a monthly basis, how much they hate being a woman.

00:34:54.380 Um, and you know, I think a lot of, I think men are reminded on a monthly basis, how great it is to be a man.

00:35:04.460 But, uh, you know, I think there are women, um, whenever they experience something that they know the average guy doesn't have to deal with immediately, it's reaffirming why they're a feminist and why we live in a patriarchy. 0.99

00:35:18.500 And that women are kept down and men have all the privilege, but women don't see what men go through, you know?

00:35:26.180 And so learning about men's issues, when I found out how many men lose their children in a custody battle, I think any mother would think that's the ultimate price to pay that, that is unjust.

00:35:39.580 We don't have a chance if you lost, we don't have a chance, we do not have a chance, I'm a divorced man, and when I got sober, um, uh, my wife and I divorced and I wanted the children, not a prayer, unless I was willing to go and just drag her through court and just destroy, and in her case, lie.

00:36:06.720 I mean, I mean, I, it was just given, you know, no, no, because a mother is a mother.

00:36:15.780 And that, and feminist groups do lobby to keep it that way, that women have the advantage in custody battles. 1.00

00:36:23.780 And I, I come from a divorced family.

00:36:27.260 My parents separated when I was four, divorced when I was six, we had 50-50 split custody and they did it the best way possible.

00:36:34.180 And, and there are, uh, you know, kind of like a blueprint of the best way to have shared custody.

00:36:40.560 And so they all, they followed all the best ways to do it.

00:36:44.120 And it worked out.

00:36:46.460 I mean, of course, I wish I had parents that stayed together the whole lives.

00:36:49.820 And I think it's wonderful when people do have parents that stay together forever.

00:36:53.680 Um, I do think that family, and this is since the Red Pill's release, so I don't talk about, I don't talk about this in the Red Pill.

00:37:01.220 But since making the film, I, I do feel like I've become a family and marriage advocate.

00:37:08.540 Um, I recently got married and I, I do think that, uh, right now, at least what I'm seeing in the far left circles is wanting to break down the family, the unit.

00:37:22.220 And, and, and a lot of research that I've seen and, and heard from men's rights activists talks about the danger of children raised by single mothers and not having a present father figure.

00:37:37.920 And, you know, feminists love to say, look at all the ills in the world. 1.00

00:37:42.780 We have mass shooters and we have, you know, all the prisons are full of men.

00:37:49.100 And to get the exact numbers, Warren Farrell gives great data on this, but it's something like 90% of inmates, of male inmates didn't have a present father.

00:38:00.620 And the mass shooters, almost all of them didn't have a present father.

00:38:05.680 Serial killers, the same thing.

00:38:07.000 With serial killers, it's different though.

00:38:09.640 It's, it's not just not having a present father, but having an abusive mother.

00:38:15.060 And so, you know, and when feminists say that women don't have any power, who's raising up the next generation? 1.00

00:38:22.980 Who's around kids the most?

00:38:24.460 It is women. 1.00

00:38:25.620 And when women abuse that power, there are real consequences for that by the children who, who grew up with abusive teachers. 1.00

00:38:36.360 Or nuns or mothers, babysitters.

00:38:41.560 So we're all in this together is what I'm saying is that we all have to look at our role and what we provide to society and make sure we're doing our best.

00:38:53.800 I don't think I've ever really shared all of this before.

00:39:06.720 I do a lot of work for women's shelters because my, because of my sisters. 0.95

00:39:15.300 And, um, I, I talk about growing up in an abusive family, but it wasn't my dad.

00:39:25.900 My dad was an abused man and my mother, um, not to me, uh, somehow I escaped this, but to my sisters was, she was, she grew up in the, you know, she came to her prime in twenties in the 1960s and early seventies. 0.91

00:39:47.760 And it was a confusing time and she was at home as a, and that wasn't really her.

00:39:53.320 And it was just, and I think she took it out on my sisters, um, uh, because she saw in them what she couldn't be.

00:40:04.260 And, um, um, she took it out on my, on my father.

00:40:09.860 I don't know why, but people don't ever think of that, you know, and it's shameful.

00:40:19.500 It's shameful for a man to be abused by a woman somehow or another. 1.00

00:40:26.560 And they're weak and they're pathetic and they're not. 1.00

00:40:29.760 Um, my father was abused by his father, his father, by his father. 1.00

00:40:37.280 And my father said, I'm going to break the chain.

00:40:40.620 And he did.

00:40:42.020 He never abused us.

00:40:43.660 Instead, he became his mother and he married an abuser.

00:40:50.220 And I don't understand why abuse is my,

00:40:59.400 My sisters are the greatest people I've ever met.

00:41:07.160 And they're in their 50s and 60s now, and they are still trying to find their value.

00:41:15.000 They're still trying to convince themselves that they're okay, they're good, they're whole, they're complete.

00:41:22.960 It's awful.

00:41:24.660 It's awful what happens to people.

00:41:26.880 But my father was the same way on his deathbed.

00:41:34.520 I know he was thinking the same things.

00:41:37.340 I was the only one in the family he would tell this to.

00:41:41.940 Why can't we just lay our swords down and just see the pain of this, no matter who it is, and just say, this has to stop.

00:41:55.080 This has to stop.

00:41:56.880 And even have compassion, to some degree, on the abusers to say, what is it inside of you that's doing this?

00:42:05.740 How are you missing that these are your children?

00:42:08.620 This is your husband.

00:42:09.740 This is your wife.

00:42:11.340 What happened?

00:42:12.300 What's broken?

00:42:13.060 We can't have that conversation.

00:42:24.960 I've really discovered in the last 10 years.

00:42:29.480 I don't want to live in a world full of conservatives.

00:42:35.700 And I don't want to live in a world full of liberals.

00:42:40.620 I want to live with people.

00:42:42.240 And if all of the liberals, and generally speaking, the liberals are the creative, the art, the beauty of the world, and the conservatives are the bean counters.

00:42:54.040 We need each other.

00:42:56.400 We have to have each other.

00:42:59.020 Just like men and women, we need each other.

00:43:03.680 And we are different.

00:43:05.280 And there's nothing wrong with that.

00:43:07.720 The Me Too movement.

00:43:10.040 There's no one that could feel, as a man, more strongly about that because of where I come from.

00:43:21.760 But why does it have to be a judge, jury, and executioner as a mob?

00:43:28.100 Yeah.

00:43:28.320 How do we change this?

00:43:35.800 We need all the information.

00:43:39.920 And if people can see it all, then we'll see how we can find common ground.

00:43:47.920 And that we can't tip the scales so far that one group is being uplifted, the other is silenced.

00:44:00.460 Women who do abuse feel justified in abusing because they've been told that the world is against them.

00:44:10.940 They've felt abused their whole life.

00:44:13.880 So that's what keeps the cycle of abuse going. 0.99

00:44:17.920 People, don't people feel, when you lash out, it's because you feel invisible.

00:44:29.300 You feel like nobody's listening to you.

00:44:31.900 You feel like it's just you all alone.

00:44:36.160 And they've pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed.

00:44:39.460 How is the society where you're either on the train or you're not, on both sides, that is saying, 1.00

00:44:50.780 shut up, you're wrong, you're worthless, I don't need to actually listen to you, I'm just going to call you horrible names. 0.98

00:44:58.740 Everybody feeling, especially with tech, the way it's coming. 0.99

00:45:07.120 I don't even know as a human being if I'm going to be worth anything in 10 years.

00:45:11.440 We're losing value to each other.

00:45:17.380 We're losing value to the system.

00:45:22.820 We're just, people feel like they're invisible and it's just, we're just grist for the mill.

00:45:28.500 I think, I'm going to try out a new thought here.

00:45:35.980 I never, let's see where this goes.

00:45:38.280 All right.

00:45:38.360 But there's been studies that have been done that our max of how many people we can really have in our life is about a hundred.

00:45:50.180 A hundred people that you can really know as your family, your friends, your loved ones, but also acquaintances and business, you know, colleagues.

00:45:58.140 So it's about a hundred people.

00:46:00.200 That's about the size of my wedding.

00:46:01.540 So that's, you know, that's, those are the people I feel like I really know and they know me.

00:46:06.660 Anything over a hundred at a wedding, you don't know who they are.

00:46:10.740 They were invited by somebody else in the family.

00:46:13.340 Yeah.

00:46:15.240 So now we have the internet, the digital age.

00:46:20.780 And I probably interact with more people online or they hear from me or I hear from them online than people that came to my wedding that are my hundred closest people in my life.

00:46:36.660 But I have all of this out here on the internet that I'm, videos I'm watching and news feeds and everything.

00:46:43.020 I think maybe what's happening is the only way to keep track of, of those thousands, hundreds of thousands of, of people that are talking into your ears throughout the day is to label them.

00:47:01.840 So, you have to compartmentalize groups in order to deal with all this chatter that's going online.

00:47:11.520 So I see this often in comment forums where someone may write one or two sentences and then the next comment is saying, oh, so you're a communist or oh, so you're whatever.

00:47:22.840 However, we're wanting to compartmentalize all these people.

00:47:28.660 And I think that's where we're losing the humanity right now, at least, you know, AI maybe later.

00:47:36.100 But right now, I think we're losing this human interaction and the camaraderie that we're all in this together, that we're assuming the best in each other before, if you're ever proved otherwise.

00:47:53.900 So I think the labeling and throwing out epithets at people to humanize or dehumanize them, I mean, I've been called horrible things, which none of them are true.

00:48:11.340 I don't even want to repeat them because I want it to just, but I, you know, it's the tribalism.

00:48:20.320 Identifying your enemy and then strengthening your group if you have a common enemy.

00:48:28.080 And I don't see that as the place we should move towards.

00:48:50.320 So I think that people who come from my point of view, we believe in the Constitution, we believe in the Bill of Rights, we believe the Bill of Rights is inspired.

00:49:08.560 It just hasn't been used.

00:49:12.180 You know, everything after the first 10 really is, really, I have to spell this out for you?

00:49:20.900 Yes, blacks can vote and they're people too.

00:49:23.200 Really, I have to spell this out to you?

00:49:25.040 Yes, women are people and they can vote too. 1.00

00:49:28.160 It's every, the first 10, they have it. 1.00

00:49:31.540 Everything else is a reiteration of, good God, you're that stupid. 1.00

00:49:35.300 I have to say it again, with an exception of a couple of things. 1.00

00:49:40.200 People see Marxist feminists, if you're a postmodern kind of feminist, they see people who are hiding, saying one thing and doing another. 0.91

00:49:54.540 And I mean, saying, no, no, no, I'm not a radical, when they are a radical.

00:50:02.560 And because we have to put everybody in buckets, we don't know who's who.

00:50:09.860 It's kind of like the difference between Islam and an Islamist. 0.81

00:50:14.900 I have no problem with Islam.

00:50:16.600 An Islamist, I do, because they want the state to impose Sharia law and live to the doctrines. 0.95

00:50:26.080 Well, you can't live here in this country.

00:50:29.100 You can't, because the law of the land is the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

00:50:35.040 Islam, totally fine. 0.96

00:50:36.700 How do you, how is someone, I hate this term, on my side, somebody who's coming to it from a, I think the country is really screwed up. 0.94

00:50:53.220 And I think the country was screwed up under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush.

00:50:59.340 And that's the last time I was really aware I was a kid under Ronald Reagan. 0.94

00:51:04.700 But it's been screwed up for a long, long time.

00:51:09.020 I want transparency.

00:51:10.820 I want justice.

00:51:12.980 I want equal justice.

00:51:17.320 And yet there are these people who want to destroy that.

00:51:23.200 Whether you're a Nazi or a postmodernist Marxist.

00:51:29.340 How do we separate from each other?

00:51:32.840 How do we know who's who?

00:51:34.380 And how do we, should we be afraid of people who are either in hiding and wearing the cloak of some charitable, some, you know, wonderful thing?

00:51:47.520 Or just out and out open, saying, yeah, I want to, can we get along with those people?

00:51:54.200 Hmm.

00:51:55.020 Oh, man.

00:51:55.980 That's a good question.

00:51:59.340 Yeah, I mean, okay.

00:52:01.460 I think there are people with ideas that are dangerous in this country.

00:52:08.100 I think those radicalists are a minority.

00:52:17.260 For the most part, our country.

00:52:19.000 Can you put a number on that?

00:52:20.520 Oh.

00:52:20.720 I think it, I will tell you after.

00:52:22.220 You go.

00:52:22.720 You go first.

00:52:25.380 And I would say on both sides.

00:52:26.600 Look at it as a football field.

00:52:27.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:27.780 A hundred yards.

00:52:29.180 How, how, how, how close to the end zone on each side?

00:52:32.280 So Nazis on one side and the radical, like one, communism kind of far left.

00:52:40.380 For the, for this, yes.

00:52:42.980 That's not the American system.

00:52:44.500 That's the European system.

00:52:46.140 But for this, yes.

00:52:47.220 Go ahead.

00:52:47.460 Anyway, I'd say it's less than 2%.

00:52:57.480 Wow.

00:53:00.660 On either side.

00:53:01.960 Yeah.

00:53:02.280 2%, 2%.

00:53:03.160 Wow.

00:53:04.360 I thought I was being generous saying 10% on each side.

00:53:07.060 I think it's less on the, on the right.

00:53:09.300 I put Nazis because they're national socialists over into a totalitarian kind of realm. 0.70

00:53:15.040 And I don't put all Democrats on that side either.

00:53:17.960 But just to be, just to be sure, you know, I'm like, okay, 10%.

00:53:24.400 There might be a little more, a little less here and there.

00:53:27.160 2%.

00:53:28.120 Then why do we feel they're everywhere?

00:53:32.740 Because they get the most coverage.

00:53:34.380 I mean, and that's why I put it at 2% because I, there are so many people who are apolitical

00:53:41.460 that do not engage in anything that we've been talking about.

00:53:46.140 How can 2% of the population silence what some people would say common sense ideas or traditional

00:53:55.920 ideas?

00:53:56.480 And I'm not talking about gay marriage. 0.94

00:53:57.580 I'm just saying, hey, the country's not that bad.

00:54:02.280 They have the time.

00:54:04.380 They have the will.

00:54:05.860 They have the time.

00:54:06.640 I mean, most people, they just want to have families.

00:54:08.480 They want to have vacations.

00:54:10.440 They want to go to soccer games.

00:54:12.220 They don't, they're not participating in Antifa.

00:54:18.820 But I am in the Bay Area and there are a lot of people who are engaged with Antifa and

00:54:25.720 including college professors.

00:54:27.320 So I know it's, there, there is a lot of that, but I think it's, it's in the major cities.

00:54:36.140 It's on the university campuses and they get a lot of press.

00:54:40.180 What's coming our way because of the universities?

00:54:51.320 It's different than when you went to school.

00:54:54.140 Well, here's the thing.

00:54:55.520 My husband and I both didn't go to college.

00:54:58.520 Oh my gosh.

00:54:59.360 You're one of the uneducated masses.

00:55:02.060 Oh my gosh.

00:55:02.920 I thought that only happened on the right.

00:55:04.480 And I'm so glad I didn't go to college.

00:55:09.860 I mean, the reason I made that choice was because I wanted to go in the film industry

00:55:13.220 and you don't need a degree to get in there.

00:55:15.240 But, but I, what's happening on the campuses, I mean,

00:55:22.580 my area of expertise is in gender politics.

00:55:27.140 So that, that's what I can really speak on.

00:55:28.940 But second wave feminism in the late sixties and early seventies did monopolize the gender 1.00

00:55:37.060 discussion in universities and have continued since.

00:55:41.120 And that hasn't changed.

00:55:43.760 And now if you do want to present alternate, alternate ideas on gender politics and I mean,

00:55:52.640 especially the last like two, three years, gender theory has really become just mind boggling.

00:56:00.940 I mean, there's something like 74 genders now.

00:56:03.220 No, 182.

00:56:04.700 182 now.

00:56:05.480 Okay.

00:56:05.980 You gotta have like a tally every day.

00:56:07.520 Yeah, that's the highest.

00:56:08.320 I mean, that's if you're, you know, that's if you're really pushing it.

00:56:10.700 But, but, uh, I mean, and, and the, one of the many reasons I left feminism was the blatant hypocrisy, 1.00

00:56:21.200 uh, the very gendered dialogue when talking about who are victims and perpetrators and such as in

00:56:29.540 the Me Too movement, you know, if, if it's just people who are victims, who are sharing their story

00:56:34.980 and people are feeling compassion for them or wanting to find justice for what happened to them.

00:56:40.120 I think the Me Too movement is, is great.

00:56:42.940 If it inspired alleged victims to go to law enforcement, where I have issue is going to

00:56:51.120 social media and basically taking down someone's reputation with allegations before there's

00:56:56.040 ever due process.

00:56:57.580 Um, but also the, the dialogue around the Me Too movement is overtly gendered.

00:57:02.880 It's women are the silence breakers. 1.00

00:57:05.500 Time magazine said that the silence breakers of the Me Too movement was the people of the

00:57:09.620 year in 2017, but it's, it's women are finally standing up against men.

00:57:16.760 And, but isn't that the, I mean, we just talked about this kind of with abuse, but isn't that,

00:57:23.960 isn't that generally the case?

00:57:28.620 As far as sexual harassment and assault?

00:57:30.600 Well, here's where it gets interesting because the research around gender is mostly advocacy

00:57:39.860 studies.

00:57:40.900 They're wanting to do the research to, to prove their point of what they want to say.

00:57:46.560 That's trouble.

00:57:47.660 Yeah.

00:57:47.920 I mean, they're funded by feminist organizations for the most part. 1.00

00:57:51.580 So the advocacy research could say that, you know, X amount of women are sexually harassed 0.97

00:57:59.780 in the workplace.

00:58:01.340 Where they get that in their surveys is with creative wording, uh, saying, have you ever

00:58:07.420 felt uncomfortable by a male colleague?

00:58:09.220 I mean, you could be uncomfortable because he.

00:58:11.260 That's why there's a rape epidemic on campuses. 1.00

00:58:14.300 Yeah.

00:58:14.720 You look at the way that's worded and it's like, I think I've been raped three times on the 0.93

00:58:18.060 way to work today. 0.66

00:58:18.840 I mean, it's very broad now.

00:58:23.020 And, uh, an unwanted sexual advance is, can just be a guy saying, Hey, do you want to

00:58:28.180 get dinner this weekend?

00:58:29.000 I mean, you know, so the, the, the dating game, how it's always been is that men approach

00:58:34.640 women and, and basically make the offer. 1.00

00:58:37.160 Yes.

00:58:37.340 Or no, would you like to see where this could go?

00:58:39.460 And the woman is the one that decides, which I today now think that's a very privileged position 0.86

00:58:44.180 to be in as the decider of, whereas men have to ask.

00:58:49.120 Yeah.

00:58:49.720 Yeah.

00:58:49.900 Have the risk.

00:58:51.600 So that's when it's just fine.

00:58:53.520 Can I tell you something?

00:58:54.100 Remember you said once a month you're reminded.

00:58:55.920 Yeah.

00:58:56.340 Okay.

00:58:57.220 Every time a guy has to go out and ask her it, we're reminded how much we hate being

00:59:03.580 a man because it's like, I'm going to get rejected because it's just odds.

00:59:08.600 I'm going to, I'm going to ask 10 and maybe one will say, yeah, I'll go have dinner with

00:59:13.160 you.

00:59:13.320 And the rest are going to look at you like, are you, I mean, look at yourself.

00:59:15.740 Really?

00:59:16.560 Yeah.

00:59:17.000 You know, it's horrible.

00:59:19.500 Yeah.

00:59:19.760 And now I've, I understand it because I've been trying to understand it, but naturally a

00:59:24.540 woman wouldn't understand the struggle that is. 1.00

00:59:26.360 Uh, so, you know, when women, uh, because of how the dating game is played, women are 1.00

00:59:36.960 more at risk to have, you know, some, some kind of unwanted advance and men are more likely

00:59:43.360 to be accused of being, you know, creepy or crossing the line or something because they

00:59:49.380 are the ones to approach.

00:59:50.320 Uh, so, you know, the, the dialogue and the surveys is very vague that can lead to more

00:59:59.500 women saying that they have had, have been harassed or assaulted or something like that.

01:00:04.180 So in 2012, the CDC changed their surveys to include, so it was their sexual violence survey.

01:00:15.560 They changed the wording of the survey to include made to penetrate as, as, uh, as rape made to

01:00:26.040 penetrate.

01:00:26.720 Whereas before they only had, have, has someone forcibly penetrated you, which can only be done 0.67

01:00:31.960 to a woman.

01:00:33.320 Um, so made to penetrate was added.

01:00:37.680 Not necessarily, but.

01:00:39.240 Right.

01:00:39.680 I was thinking that too, that you could also be a man who's forcibly penetrated.

01:00:43.440 But, um, so when they, they added made to penetrate to the survey in that year, 2012, for that,

01:00:51.760 that 12 month period, 1.4 million women had reported that they'd been raped.

01:00:58.200 1.7 million men had reported they'd been raped because of made to penetrate.

01:01:05.420 So this is where feminism wasn't working to include gender neutral dialogue and really 1.00

01:01:15.880 figuring out, you know, what, what is going on for people in this country and who is being

01:01:20.340 assaulted or abused because you need to think about what men can go through.

01:01:25.300 That is different than what a woman could go through.

01:01:29.780 Um, you know, I learned about so many different men's issues that I do now consider rights issues.

01:01:36.360 There are men's rights issues, but they were never defined as gender rights under feminism

01:01:41.640 because it didn't affect women, such as, do you think it's a right to know you're a parent? 1.00

01:01:48.520 Only men would have the option of not knowing they're a parent because women, you know, you 1.00

01:01:55.020 birth the baby, you know, you're a parent, but there are many men who never know that they

01:02:00.640 have a child out there.

01:02:01.760 They have progeny out there.

01:02:03.080 Uh, you know, the lack of reproductive rights for men is not addressed under feminism. 0.95

01:02:10.380 And, you know, I, I think that's a shame because I think there are so many men that

01:02:15.580 really do care about their children.

01:02:16.960 And there have been women who adopted, they, they were unmarried mother and father unmarried

01:02:25.180 and the woman had the baby, adopted the baby away when the father wanted to be a parent 0.95

01:02:31.980 and was willing to have the child just himself to raise.

01:02:35.920 And she adopted the child away.

01:02:38.040 And we show this in the red pill movie, many of those stories.

01:02:41.800 And I never learned about that when I was for 10 years, a radical feminist, never learned 0.90

01:02:47.400 about these issues.

01:02:49.480 So, you know, I, I just think the major problem right now is we were giving a microphone to

01:02:56.160 one side of what's going on for, for the genders. 1.00

01:03:02.120 And, and I, you know, I still care about women's issues and empowering young girls.

01:03:07.080 And I still do think that there are women's issues that need to be fought for, but I know 1.00

01:03:11.000 a lot of organizations with a lot of funding are doing that work.

01:03:14.320 And so I'm just trying to, you know, add to the discussion that we need to look at all

01:03:19.800 people.

01:03:26.160 I've seen you on TV in Australia and everywhere else.

01:03:36.120 And I've seen how you're treated now.

01:03:40.900 And, uh, I remember when I was in South Africa, I did an interview and they hated my guts.

01:03:50.300 And I remember, I mean, it was just, it was like hit in the face and I was like, how do

01:03:56.740 you, how, how, I'm not even in your country.

01:03:59.980 I'm on the other side of the planet.

01:04:01.580 How do you hate me this much?

01:04:04.720 And it was almost like there was a, you know, you know, an alert that went out, uh, that said,

01:04:11.520 Hey, this is what's happening.

01:04:12.960 I see you in these interviews and, um, saw one where the guy, the woman or the guy said,

01:04:22.980 well, did you ask this?

01:04:24.080 Yeah, it's in the movie.

01:04:25.460 Yeah.

01:04:25.860 But did they say this?

01:04:26.780 Yeah, it's in the movie.

01:04:27.900 But did you show this?

01:04:29.000 Yeah, it's in the movie.

01:04:30.180 And yet they called that movie the most bigoted movie.

01:04:35.280 I think of all time or something like that.

01:04:37.660 And they just smeared it and you, without any knowledge, is there any doubt in your mind

01:04:51.600 if this was reverse, if you were, um, somebody who was a conservative filmmaker and you came

01:05:03.060 and decided you were a feminist, I haven't heard you really bash feminism or, you know, 1.00

01:05:09.900 you've said there's these problems, but you're not like vitriolic about it.

01:05:16.500 Any doubt that you would be on the Today Show and everything else and you'd be very famous 0.94

01:05:22.000 today as opposed to sitting, sitting here with a fat old guy?

01:05:27.400 If I made a film?

01:05:29.320 If it was exactly the reverse, if you started out conservative and now you were saying,

01:05:34.440 I'm not a conservative, I'm a feminist.

01:05:40.320 I mean, I did see an article come out shortly after the Red Pill started getting a lot of

01:05:46.380 positive audience reviews and won awards and things like that.

01:05:50.440 Uh, there was an article that came out saying, I was a men's rights activist and now I'm a

01:05:58.140 feminist and here's why. 1.00

01:06:00.520 And it was of course published by Anonymous, like an anonymous person.

01:06:06.120 They didn't share their name or identity.

01:06:08.340 And it was just so hard.

01:06:11.760 I mean, I went in reading it thinking, all right, I'm going to give them the benefit of the

01:06:14.920 doubt.

01:06:15.100 Maybe they really did go through this transformation.

01:06:16.820 But I, I now knowing everything I know about when I was a feminist and learning about men's

01:06:21.360 issues, I'd find it hard to believe you would go from a men's rights activist to a feminist. 1.00

01:06:28.060 Um, but I was willing to, you know, read it and consider it.

01:06:32.420 And it was just, it was almost like they took my story and just reverse genders.

01:06:38.060 And, but it didn't even accurately apply to feminism because the men's movement is, is

01:06:44.860 not the opposite of feminism. 1.00

01:06:46.880 It's, I mean, they're very different.

01:06:49.320 Um, so yeah, if I were a conservative saying I've now become a liberal.

01:06:56.000 No, not a liberal, a feminist. 1.00

01:06:58.400 Oh, a feminist. 1.00

01:06:59.000 If you were, if you were a liberal feminist, if you were, you wouldn't, would you be, um, 1.00

01:07:07.720 you know how they treat somebody now as a feminist that says, wait a minute, wait a minute. 1.00

01:07:13.140 I don't think that this is all bad over here.

01:07:16.660 Do you think, do you see the plight of conservatives at all in a different light with the media?

01:07:23.460 Um, I do think that they're the ones most identifiably being silenced right now.

01:07:33.160 Um, do you see a way of opening that?

01:07:37.320 Do you see a way of piercing that to, or to where we can have dialogue on a mass scale?

01:07:44.120 Um, I think, oh gosh, I don't, I'm going to try out this side, but I don't know if it

01:07:53.620 really holds up.

01:07:54.680 Okay.

01:07:55.440 First one did.

01:07:56.620 I think part of the reason why people on the left don't want to debate conservatives is what,

01:08:05.300 it's when they bring up religion and their beliefs, because that's kind of the, there,

01:08:10.880 there's not many places you can go from there.

01:08:13.380 If you just believe that, and that's your basis for how you vote on everything, then you've

01:08:18.420 lost the liberal atheist and they're like, well, where can we go from here?

01:08:22.140 But I think if conservatives only kept their argument to science-based kind of arguments

01:08:31.860 and left their faith out entirely, if they could, uh, then maybe we could have debates

01:08:38.900 on a stage that, that go somewhere and that have progress.

01:08:43.380 Do you think that could happen?

01:08:45.900 I'm not sure it has happened, but...

01:08:47.260 I'm not sure it should.

01:08:48.420 In this way, I can't prove God and I can't prove my relationship with God at all.

01:08:54.900 And I don't, you know, good friend of mine is Pendulet.

01:08:57.680 I have several, Dave Rubin, good friend of mine.

01:09:00.220 I have several friends who are atheists.

01:09:02.780 That's never a problem.

01:09:04.860 It's never a problem.

01:09:06.380 It's, it's really why I'm a libertarian and a constitutionalist.

01:09:10.480 I can live next door to you.

01:09:13.020 I can live next door to anyone and happily and be great neighbors if they're not trying

01:09:20.080 to tell me how to live my life.

01:09:22.560 And I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life.

01:09:26.700 When it comes to God, I don't expect you to believe me.

01:09:32.580 But if I get to a place to where I say, well, it's because I feel this way about God, then

01:09:38.720 you have to say, I can understand that there's some things that I feel too, or I think too,

01:09:44.500 that I can't really just lock it down into something.

01:09:47.420 So I'll give you that and you give me mine.

01:09:50.260 And I'm not gonna, we're not gonna argue about God.

01:09:54.340 You know what I mean?

01:09:55.480 But I don't think I should, I don't think I should have to.

01:09:58.860 God, for me, God propels me.

01:10:03.220 But that's not the same with my atheist friends.

01:10:05.560 And I don't know how they do it.

01:10:07.580 And they don't know how I do it.

01:10:08.860 It doesn't matter.

01:10:09.860 It does.

01:10:10.560 It works.

01:10:12.000 So why do we have to?

01:10:16.160 Well, so I think there are many conservatives who, you know, when you dig to the bottom

01:10:24.720 of why do they have these political beliefs, it would probably come down to their faith.

01:10:29.740 And I think for liberals, if you dig down to the bottom of their beliefs, it probably

01:10:35.160 would look like something like Marxism.

01:10:38.860 So a conservative would want to analyze that and be like, well, why do you believe that

01:10:45.680 men are of women and have been through all throughout history and whites over blacks and,

01:10:50.780 you know, all this.

01:10:52.380 Let's dig into that and see if that holds water.

01:10:55.220 And if that's legitimate, or maybe I can challenge you on your foundation of all of your beliefs

01:11:01.740 by convincing you that Marxism is not accurate.

01:11:06.380 So I think that's where liberals, you know, they don't get the get out of jail free card

01:11:12.840 by saying it's a faith.

01:11:14.000 They wouldn't even call it a faith.

01:11:15.520 They don't think of it as a religion.

01:11:17.120 Although maybe you could say that it's very close to a religion.

01:11:19.320 Sometimes it is.

01:11:20.440 Let me ask you this.

01:11:22.020 The only place I would go to on God, and I would just ask you, and I don't know what

01:11:26.580 it is for others.

01:11:28.280 The only thing where God plays a role, but I could explain why it's important.

01:11:34.580 And if it's not God for you, you have to find something else.

01:11:38.440 But that our rights come from God.

01:11:41.120 That removes those rights from the table.

01:11:44.680 I can never silence you, because I don't create them.

01:11:50.400 I don't rule over them.

01:11:52.880 I can't touch them.

01:11:54.460 Neither can you.

01:11:56.200 So if you want to say, you know, rights come from, I don't know, the trees or whatever it

01:12:01.240 comes from, it doesn't matter.

01:12:03.020 But once man is in line with those rights, then man can say, you know what, for the best

01:12:09.020 reasons here, we got to all come together.

01:12:11.800 I have to silence those people.

01:12:14.680 And then it all starts to fall apart.

01:12:17.300 We have to get man out of the rights business.

01:12:22.600 And that's what our founders kind of, they struggled with.

01:12:27.020 Okay, so who's printing up rights?

01:12:32.540 And if we understand that that right is really broad, you know, it's not.

01:12:37.960 My daughter was, when she was at Fordham, she came to me and she said, Dad, why are you

01:12:44.380 so anti-gay marriage?

01:12:45.820 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:12:47.700 I don't even talk about that except in a positive way.

01:12:49.940 I'm for gay marriage.

01:12:50.820 What are you talking about?

01:12:51.700 And, but she had been really so worked at college.

01:12:57.400 And I said, listen, here's, here's my stance.

01:13:02.880 I have no right to tell you who to marry and who not to marry.

01:13:06.320 You have no right to tell me who to marry and who not to marry.

01:13:09.500 There are complications that will come from this that we should at least talk about and

01:13:14.400 think about.

01:13:14.900 But my right to get into your life, I have none.

01:13:20.060 Your right to get into my faith, you have none.

01:13:24.640 As long as we're not telling each other what we have to do, why is the government even involved?

01:13:32.460 Why is the government involved?

01:13:34.360 You know, marriage, the marriage license was started to make sure that the races stayed 1.00

01:13:42.420 separate.

01:13:43.360 Oh my gosh, really?

01:13:44.520 Yeah.

01:13:45.460 Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, they didn't have marriage license.

01:13:49.260 You want to get married?

01:13:50.080 Go find somebody, get married, do it.

01:13:51.480 I don't care.

01:13:52.240 Had nothing to do with the state.

01:13:54.320 Marriage license came in because we have to make sure that we keep the races pure. 1.00

01:14:00.360 Then the blood tests came in during eugenics to make sure that we don't have undesirables 1.00

01:14:06.660 in the line.

01:14:08.000 This is craziness.

01:14:09.280 Why do we hold these things up like they're sacred there?

01:14:13.340 They were started for really bad reasons.

01:14:16.600 Control.

01:14:17.200 I have wondered, leading up to this meeting, because I understand you're a libertarian, is

01:14:28.380 that right?

01:14:28.680 So, I guess I would be the opposite, because I think I do fall more into social, yeah, wanting

01:14:39.040 social services and programs to help the disadvantage.

01:14:44.140 Everybody thinks it's left and right.

01:14:46.680 It's not.

01:14:47.760 It's totalitarianism.

01:14:49.240 I don't care if it's religious totalitarianism, communism, Iran, China, it doesn't matter.

01:14:55.120 Complete control, okay, in the state's hands.

01:14:59.640 This side is anarchy.

01:15:01.680 This was the American idea.

01:15:04.040 Anarchy and complete control.

01:15:05.780 The king was over here.

01:15:07.420 So, they said, how do we develop where we give, never before done, the people the power?

01:15:13.120 And so, reading not Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, which, good God, people who read Wealth of Nations,

01:15:21.720 that's where capitalism really comes from.

01:15:24.360 You have, it's a two-volume book.

01:15:26.840 You have to read volume one, which is Moral Sentiments.

01:15:32.000 Moral Sentiments says, if you're going to do capitalism, you better have yourself as a

01:15:39.380 society together because the invisible hand of the market will create beauty or ugliness

01:15:47.360 and poison, but it will be up to you as the individual because you are the market.

01:15:53.400 You want porn, you want rape, movies, you want whatever it is, oh, it will produce it 0.98

01:15:59.360 for you because of who you are. 0.97

01:16:02.580 So, volume one is make sure you know who you are when you start capitalism.

01:16:07.340 Second is Wealth of Nations.

01:16:09.560 How do nations become prosperous?

01:16:12.540 So, we took that idea and said, Articles of Confederation, we just want it far enough

01:16:19.280 from anarchy.

01:16:20.500 Well, it wasn't far enough away.

01:16:22.540 So, we had to try it again.

01:16:25.580 1789, we say, forget, George Washington was not our first president.

01:16:29.860 There was another president before.

01:16:31.300 It's just a different country.

01:16:32.500 We start it again.

01:16:33.780 And this time, we put the Constitution in and we brought it a little farther back from

01:16:38.780 anarchy.

01:16:39.720 We've slowly been drifting this direction.

01:16:44.480 And that's why nobody's talking about, it's amazing to me, Barack Obama scared the living

01:16:54.420 bat crap out of half of the country, okay? 0.88

01:16:57.460 Because we saw a guy who, he was a Marxist. 0.99

01:17:01.460 He was a Marxist.

01:17:02.440 Now, he couldn't say that before because that was racist.

01:17:05.300 But now that everybody's saying, I'm a socialist Marxist, now apparently it's okay.

01:17:09.680 But that's what we felt.

01:17:11.400 You couldn't be in Jeremiah Wright's church.

01:17:14.320 You couldn't be, you couldn't be in and believe in, oh, it's a social justice term out of South

01:17:24.140 America, collective salvation.

01:17:26.980 I can't remember what it's called.

01:17:28.600 You couldn't believe in that and believe in the American system.

01:17:33.340 You just can't, okay?

01:17:35.200 So, we were scared to death, okay?

01:17:38.360 That's not a good feeling.

01:17:39.540 So, what happens, we then run and elect a guy who scares the other half of the country to death

01:17:50.000 and many of us to death, okay?

01:17:54.400 This, the point that we should take from this is we shouldn't have been frightened.

01:18:01.700 You shouldn't be frightened.

01:18:03.600 They have too much power because no president should be able to make us this frightened.

01:18:10.500 Do it in your own town.

01:18:12.060 I have no problem.

01:18:13.220 San Francisco, I think it's the most beautiful town in America.

01:18:16.460 It is the most beautiful city in America.

01:18:18.780 Bar none. 0.95

01:18:19.600 I think it's bad crap crazy, okay? 0.65

01:18:23.260 But you should have the right to do that. 0.97

01:18:26.000 That's your town.

01:18:27.120 Do it.

01:18:27.560 The state, I've never argued against universal healthcare with Romney up in Massachusetts.

01:18:34.940 We're supposed to be little laboratories, 50 little laboratories.

01:18:40.820 If it works, you don't think Texans are going to do it? 0.99

01:18:44.400 Of course they will.

01:18:46.860 Just see what works.

01:18:48.100 And if it works for a group of people, that's fine for them to do over there.

01:18:52.680 Why can't we leave each other alone?

01:18:55.220 Not steal from each other.

01:18:57.020 Not yell at each other.

01:18:58.420 Why can't we just leave each other alone?

01:19:02.280 With respect. 0.96

01:19:03.160 Does this sound like rantings of a madman? 0.88

01:19:08.060 No.

01:19:08.680 Okay.

01:19:12.720 Well, I was kind of hoping we wouldn't go here, but I want to ask.

01:19:18.840 Because it does sound like you're for live and let live and don't tell me what to do

01:19:29.540 and don't regulate everything and let the market work itself out.

01:19:34.200 And capitalism does let people, based on your work ethics, strive to be whatever you want

01:19:39.620 to be.

01:19:40.880 Real capital.

01:19:41.780 We haven't been doing capital.

01:19:42.740 We're crony capitalism now and have been for a long time.

01:19:46.120 Okay.

01:19:46.340 So, I guess the left-minded part of me is wondering, what about abortion?

01:19:58.360 Abortion is, I think, the easiest thing to answer. 0.98

01:20:02.720 And it is amazing to me that we don't have this conversation.

01:20:11.320 Is that a baby?

01:20:13.520 If you believe that is a baby, that a fetus is a baby, then I have to stand for the right

01:20:22.280 to not execute the most innocent.

01:20:25.320 I'm also against the death penalty.

01:20:28.140 So, that is that child.

01:20:30.320 That's that girl's choice being taken away. 1.00

01:20:34.560 Okay?

01:20:34.820 The little girl or the little boy.

01:20:36.960 If you don't believe it's a baby, we should talk about science, but you don't have a right,

01:20:45.380 I don't have a right to kill someone.

01:20:47.520 Now, if you don't, if you honestly don't believe that's a baby, then we're at a place to where,

01:20:55.220 okay, well, we have to figure our way around that.

01:20:58.660 How do we deal with that?

01:21:00.420 We, some of us, it's, it's, the left doesn't understand.

01:21:06.520 They get really violent.

01:21:09.560 And I want you to know the, I think the worst thing people do is, you know, hold up signs

01:21:16.280 and, and, and protest the women that are going in. 1.00

01:21:18.920 They're traumatized enough.

01:21:20.120 So, I don't agree with that.

01:21:24.380 But if you really truly believed that there was a country that was doing a holocaust of

01:21:35.320 50 million children, wouldn't you be a horrible human being if you didn't say something, if

01:21:45.580 you didn't stand up, if you really believed that?

01:21:50.120 I think we're, I think people who are pro-life are amazing that they haven't gotten violent

01:21:56.840 because I have to tell you, if I were in Germany and I knew about that and we had guns, I'd be 0.99

01:22:05.260 the first one to go, let's go shut those damn ovens down. 1.00

01:22:10.940 But we don't because we're Americans and we respect each other. 0.99

01:22:16.200 I think where, uh, the left and, and feminist women who stand with Planned Parenthood stand

01:22:26.620 is, is that the woman, the mother's, the woman, uh, her rights should supersede whatever 0.57

01:22:37.600 the potential is of the, the fetus.

01:22:40.240 Till when?

01:22:43.040 Well, and, and that's where, you know, the, ever since Roe v. Wade, that's what, what's

01:22:46.960 been fought is what length of, of the term is it okay before it's not okay?

01:22:54.520 You know, Peter Singer.

01:22:56.940 Peter Singer is the chair of ethics at Princeton.

01:22:59.720 Brilliant guy.

01:23:00.780 Brilliant guy.

01:23:01.320 I'm surprised you don't know who he is.

01:23:02.420 Um, he has, uh, come out and said, uh, that, uh, we should be able to abort a child up to

01:23:11.400 two years after birth.

01:23:12.980 I mean, that's as extreme as you get.

01:23:14.520 Oh my gosh.

01:23:14.860 He later apologized and said, I shouldn't have put a time limit on it because it is only when

01:23:22.880 a child realizes that there is a tomorrow that they become a person.

01:23:29.460 What?

01:23:30.380 Yeah.

01:23:30.760 Oh my gosh.

01:23:32.200 Chair of ethics.

01:23:33.380 Look him up.

01:23:34.520 Um, so the, the, I mean, I don't think anybody believes that, you know, and, and I don't even

01:23:40.540 know if he is doing more than just theory, you know what I mean?

01:23:43.560 Um, but partial birth abortion, all of that stuff that the line just keeps getting changed

01:23:52.320 and it's going the opposite direction because, you know, it was when the child is viable.

01:23:58.240 Well, medicine is making the child viable earlier and earlier.

01:24:02.400 So are they becoming children earlier and earlier, or are we just seeing it differently?

01:24:08.800 I'm not trying to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not trying to win here.

01:24:12.180 I'd love to hear your answer.

01:24:13.480 And I've, and I've been thinking a lot about this issue the last few years now that I, I

01:24:18.680 try to read and understand both sides and all sides.

01:24:23.040 Uh, so obviously this, anything that's a political topic, it's because there is a gray area.

01:24:29.280 You know, if, if there's something that all people agree on, which is that, you know, child

01:24:34.200 abuse is wrong, then it's not a political issue where one side is standing up for it and against

01:24:38.200 it.

01:24:39.140 Um, but anything that's a political issue means that there's a gray area and that's why people

01:24:44.060 take sides.

01:24:44.640 So, I mean, I, I did some research into baby farming, which was in the UK and England.

01:24:52.940 Have you heard of, I mean, it's really, it's been another thing that's been, I think, uh,

01:24:58.120 erased from history.

01:25:00.260 Um, what is baby farming? 0.99

01:25:01.960 Baby farming was back when abortion was illegal. 0.99

01:25:05.380 And I think it was the 1700s in England, uh, women who, and it was also frowned upon to be 0.99

01:25:13.340 unmarried and pregnant.

01:25:14.800 So women would go on an extended vacation for nine months and visit like a nursing home kind 1.00

01:25:21.940 of thing where these, what they were called nurses, um, would take the newborns and then 1.00

01:25:27.860 care for them for the rest of their childhood until adulthood.

01:25:31.360 Uh, so the, the mothers would pay, you know, a fee and then leave and never have any contact 0.81

01:25:37.740 again.

01:25:38.700 So some women who are running these nursing homes started to abuse the children, but to 1.00

01:25:48.040 the extent of actually murdering the children, uh, they realized that it would be a financial

01:25:53.520 incentive to, you'd have more space in the house if you. 0.71

01:25:56.920 Sure.

01:25:57.020 So, I mean, just horrible stories of strangulation and poison and we have those in this country

01:26:02.880 with, you know, when we used to have institutions where people were put away and yeah, I mean

01:26:08.140 horrible.

01:26:09.160 So, and I only stumbled across this story because I was looking into the worst serial killers

01:26:14.440 of all time when I was thinking about, you know, aren't men all the worst people in the

01:26:18.020 world?

01:26:18.280 And I came across Amelia Dyer who killed over 300 children and she was one of the nurses 0.99

01:26:26.200 running a baby farm.

01:26:27.660 So they buried the infant corpses all throughout London and different small towns.

01:26:36.040 And, uh, and they only discovered it when they found retrieved all these bones, but they also

01:26:41.020 found, uh, fridges that she had with parts.

01:26:44.440 And I mean, it was just horrible.

01:26:46.040 So she was, uh, given the death penalty, but, um, so when I learn about that, I'm thinking,

01:26:52.580 I don't think that would happen today that, you know, we'd have that kind of situation if

01:26:59.000 women were, uh, having children unwanted, but, but I do wonder what would happen for all 0.99

01:27:07.280 those women who find that they're pregnant and, and don't want the child. 1.00

01:27:11.640 Would they be harming themselves?

01:27:13.460 Would we go back to the coat hanger days?

01:27:16.480 So, because I think this is a, um, great discussion.

01:27:20.840 I'd love to continue to get your opinion on, um, a, those kinds of places do exist still

01:27:28.440 all over the world.

01:27:29.480 I mean, you know, go to Russia, go to Haiti.

01:27:33.040 I mean, we rescue children.

01:27:35.120 Part of my charitable arm.

01:27:37.360 Um, we rescue, uh, children out of the sex slave industry and there are bogus, uh, um,

01:27:45.300 you know, orphanages that are just, the people are pimps.

01:27:49.760 Um, so it's horrible.

01:27:52.020 Um, you know, you did say one thing that there were body parts in fridges.

01:27:58.500 We do have that today too.

01:28:00.160 And that's Planned Parenthood selling body parts, which is horrific.

01:28:05.800 Yeah.

01:28:06.220 Um, however, if you look at the stats that show the number, I have an adopted son.

01:28:13.800 The number of people that want children is off the charts.

01:28:22.080 And we don't even, for instance, one thing I'm inconsistent on, and it bothers me in the

01:28:30.520 reverse that probably would bother you.

01:28:32.720 It really bothers me.

01:28:34.800 I believe these are children.

01:28:37.060 Um, uh, but in rape and incest, I could not look at my daughter if that was going to destroy 1.00

01:28:44.500 her and she has to relive that rape over and over again. 0.99

01:28:49.600 I couldn't do it to my own daughter.

01:28:51.300 So how could I possibly say that for somebody else?

01:28:55.340 And that bothers me because I'm in conflict.

01:28:58.500 I do believe that's a child.

01:29:01.940 Which one? 0.92

01:29:04.840 Um, and so it's, you know, I've come to this place and it's uncomfortable and hypocritical,

01:29:11.200 but I've come to this place where I have to choose the mother because of the scarring that

01:29:17.760 she took on at no choice of her own.

01:29:21.440 Okay.

01:29:22.620 Um, and that bothers me, but we're now starting to celebrate abortion used to be rare, safe,

01:29:32.680 legal.

01:29:33.340 And for a reason, I mean, have you ever read Victor Hugo's Les Miserables?

01:29:38.720 No, I haven't.

01:29:39.660 Okay.

01:29:39.820 Unless you really want to be really depressed and you have time to read 1200 pages, don't. 0.62

01:29:45.360 But in summary, everybody in it is miserable.

01:29:49.660 And one of the characters is Fonteen.

01:29:52.640 And she, it's this, this beautiful section where she falls in love with this boy.

01:29:58.160 They think that she thinks they're going to be together forever, but he's not really interested

01:30:03.260 in her.

01:30:03.880 And she gets pregnant. 0.83

01:30:06.040 He goes away.

01:30:07.260 She hasn't told him yet.

01:30:09.040 He says, I'm coming back.

01:30:10.180 He never comes back now because it's France. 1.00

01:30:14.680 Now she's with a child. 1.00

01:30:16.320 So she's immediately a whore. 1.00

01:30:18.300 She's immediately all of these horrible things. 0.99

01:30:21.160 And she has to give the child to somebody else who will care while she works to take care 1.00

01:30:26.760 of the child.

01:30:27.560 Okay.

01:30:27.960 There's a lot more to the story, but that's in a nutshell.

01:30:30.340 We know in this country that there have been people who would, would do horrible things

01:30:39.460 to their own children, even to, you know, even the nicest of them, um, just, I disown

01:30:47.140 you because you're pregnant. 1.00

01:30:49.540 They had to go away on a baby farm.

01:30:52.720 That's not a stigma anymore.

01:30:54.740 It's just not a stigma anymore.

01:30:56.620 So we're fighting for, we're fighting against some things that society has changed.

01:31:04.200 It's not that way anymore.

01:31:05.900 Yeah.

01:31:09.760 I, in thinking about where do we go from here?

01:31:14.680 Um, right now, I feel like we need to keep abortion illegal, but do our best to limit and 1.00

01:31:27.800 prevent that situation from happening.

01:31:30.020 And I do think some factors that are affecting the abortions that do happen are, and I'm going

01:31:37.740 to sound so traditional and straight-laced here, but I do think from ascuity is, uh, you

01:31:44.540 know, it's really has gone through the roof.

01:31:47.300 Yeah.

01:31:48.260 Unchecked and without borders.

01:31:49.940 And, and, uh, so, you know, that, that increases risk also women getting married later in life. 0.99

01:31:57.640 So basically having more years that they are single and dating.

01:32:01.200 Um, and therefore then, cause I, I think once you're, you're with the person that you want

01:32:06.540 to be with for the rest of your life, you wouldn't immediately jump to an abortion. 1.00

01:32:11.140 If it was unplanned, you're, if you did want children in your life, then you would think,

01:32:15.960 okay, well, it's just sooner than later now.

01:32:18.400 Um, but, but there are women who are married and don't want the fifth child and then they 1.00

01:32:24.060 go have an abortion. 1.00

01:32:25.260 So I know that happens a lot too, uh, so, I mean, women's role in society has completely 0.99

01:32:32.620 changed since the fifties and, and then because of second wave feminism in the sixties and, 0.97

01:32:38.100 and questioning gender roles and mothers and, and, uh, you know, so now we're trying to navigate

01:32:45.180 how do we deal with basically increasing half, half of the population into the workforce, uh,

01:32:52.900 and also into colleges. And so we are seeing, you know, men feeling like they, they don't have

01:32:59.080 anything to contribute to a woman's life anymore. And we often hear women say, I don't need a man 1.00

01:33:03.660 and say that as a proud thing, uh, because if they are able to provide for themselves and can

01:33:09.860 obviously have a child without a man in the picture, uh, you know, there are a lot of men that

01:33:15.060 are lost and failure to launch. And so gender relations are, are having issues in that area,

01:33:20.120 but with women and, and sex, I, I think, you know, this is a part of our religious history that I,

01:33:29.180 I feel like was going like on the right track without knowing necessarily the, the benefits

01:33:38.460 for society, like from a scientific kind of standpoint. Uh, so back when I w I went to a

01:33:47.080 Christian school and my freshman, freshman year of school and we were told to, um, like

01:33:54.500 have your knees together, like you had a penny in between them. And, and I mean, we had a lot

01:33:59.820 of different weird roles about not walking with swaying your hips too much and always be a Bible 0.71

01:34:04.220 with Bible's width apart from any man. And, uh, so I, I think that that actually did a lot of 0.95

01:34:12.060 good for my upbringing was that, uh, modest kind of way in life and relationships. And so I did wait

01:34:21.040 a long time until I, uh, started having sexual relationships and thank goodness, because if I,

01:34:28.000 I, I've never had an abortion, I'm very glad I've never had to make that decision. And I think if I

01:34:34.180 did have an unplanned pregnancy when I was in my early twenties, I probably would have had an abortion,

01:34:38.580 not easily. Um, but I'm now today, so glad I never had to go through that. And I think I would

01:34:48.520 have regretted it if I went through it. Um, if I had an abortion. Um, but I, I think, you know, when,

01:34:55.560 when talking about, should we overturn Roe v. Wade or defund, defund Planned Parenthood and all these

01:35:02.160 issues, I think we also need to talk about the before and the after. So preventing women from 1.00

01:35:08.520 getting into that position with sexual education and I think the modesty obviously is such a

01:35:14.700 crazy thing. I mean, the things that women are wearing these days it's, and then get upset if 1.00

01:35:21.040 they're looked at inappropriately. I mean, the women are looking at them because it's all hanging out. 0.91

01:35:24.900 So it's just, it's very confusing and conflicting, uh, all the mixed messages, but, uh, so preventing

01:35:31.900 unplanned pregnancy, but then also if we did make abortion illegal and we had 30 million of those,

01:35:38.920 or however many 60 million children that were aborted since Roe v. Wade, uh, if, if those 60 million

01:35:46.080 children did survive and they were in our country, what would that look like? And how would we provide

01:35:52.380 for them, especially if they had no parents? I mean, if they were given into the adoption system.

01:35:58.540 So I do understand that there are a lot of, um, loving and willing couples who are seeking

01:36:03.700 children to adopt. There's also, also partly from infertility rates skyrocketing right now for men

01:36:10.340 and women. And so where, where do we go from here? I've, I've done some research into what technology 1.00

01:36:17.880 is being developed and I know that artificial wombs could be a reality in the close future. Uh, right

01:36:25.960 now they have artificial wombs that are, that were able to take lambs that were, uh, premature and, 0.94

01:36:31.960 and get them to gestation. And they're expecting to be able to do this for human babies soon, for preemie

01:36:37.620 babies to fully develop and maybe eventually have an artificial womb for nine months. And if that's the

01:36:43.900 case, I do think abortion would be outlawed and maybe rightfully so, because now the mother that 1.00

01:36:50.460 wasn't planning to get pregnant, now she has a fertilized egg in her. If, if we do believe it's a 1.00

01:36:58.740 baby with potential to be a human, then, or a fetus with potential to be a human, then, um, you know,

01:37:05.580 it is, it isn't any harm to her to, to have, to be pregnant for nine months, if they could just

01:37:11.840 remove it from her, her womb and put it in an artificial womb. Um, and there, there's a lot 1.00

01:37:17.680 of different things that they're developing too with, I mean, it gets really scary when you start

01:37:21.560 looking into it with genetic engineering and all that, but yeah. How old are you again? I'm 32.

01:37:28.340 32. You, you know how fortunate you are? Why? When I was 32, I didn't have to be brave

01:37:38.280 except for my own life. You're a very brave person and it's really, it's an honor to talk

01:37:45.940 to you. I've enjoyed it. I hope you have. I have. I really have. Thank you for inviting me on.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 29, 2018

Ep 4 ｜ Cassie Jaye ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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