The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 48 ｜ Anarchists Don’t Wear Antifa Masks ｜ Tim Pool ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:52.620 As it stands today, journalism is changing and it will never be the same. Thank God. That's a good

00:02:03.740 thing. Except what is it going to change to? We don't know. At the moment, the mainstream media

00:02:09.240 is toppling and a whole new cast of people is replacing the old guard. Today's guest is Proof.

00:02:15.720 He first rose to attention in 2011 when he live streamed the Occupy Wall Street protests.

00:02:21.300 Unlike the high budget, heavily choreographed reporters and, you know, front of whole film

00:02:26.760 crews, he wandered around inside the protests using the new medium. He gave us a view of the

00:02:32.760 inner workings of a chaotic political movement. The reporting earned him a spot on the Time 100 list

00:02:39.200 and won him a short award for best journalist in social media. He's traveled all over the world for

00:02:45.280 various stories. In 2017, he accepted a challenge made by Paul Joseph Watson, who offered to pay

00:02:51.260 travel costs for any journalist willing to investigate the claim that there were Muslim

00:02:55.980 dominated no-go zones in Sweden. Like many of the people who are dismantling mainstream media,

00:03:02.100 he's kind of a black sheep. He has friends and millions of followers, six million per month on

00:03:08.540 YouTube to be exact. He has written for The Guardian, Reuters, The New York Times, NBC, even Al Jazeera

00:03:14.760 English. He was the founding member of Vice News. And in 2015, he became the director of media innovation

00:03:22.280 at the TV network Fusion, where he has been tasked with reporting new technology as live streaming,

00:03:29.540 aerial drones, mobile software, and hardware, even Google Glass. He has been attacked by the people on

00:03:36.200 both the left and the right, which usually means that what you're saying is important, something that

00:03:42.300 people don't want to hear, something we all need to know. This is my conversation with Tim Poole,

00:03:49.680 beanie and all.

00:04:03.340 Hey, Tim.

00:04:04.440 How's it going?

00:04:05.580 Thanks for having me.

00:04:06.500 You bet. You bet.

00:04:08.000 How would you describe yourself?

00:04:09.380 I have no idea. Roguelike. Heterodox. Anti-authoritarian.

00:04:17.840 What the hell is a heterodox?

00:04:19.820 Like, against the orthodoxy.

00:04:22.580 Oh, okay.

00:04:22.940 You know what I mean? So, I don't want to say contrarian, because that's not true, you know?

00:04:26.640 Although I certainly have contrarian positions. But I think for the most part, it's just,

00:04:31.380 I've often reflected on myself, like, I don't even know what I am. I didn't go to school. Maybe

00:04:36.420 that's why. You know, I dropped out of high school within the first couple months. Briefly

00:04:41.020 did a homeschooling thing and then just stopped. Didn't get a GED. Didn't go to college.

00:04:45.360 So, did you just educate yourself?

00:04:47.480 Yeah. Yeah. But I owe it to my mom, I guess. She was homeschooling me and my siblings before

00:04:54.040 I even started preschool. So, got a head start.

00:04:56.520 Right. So, you had, because you're not a, you know, when you think of an anarchist now,

00:05:02.400 you just think of somebody, well, dressed all in black.

00:05:05.140 Yeah, right.

00:05:05.780 Yeah. Who's, you know, just marching in the street and usually just a numbskull.

00:05:11.960 It's unfortunate. It's not an anarchist.

00:05:13.760 Yeah.

00:05:13.940 You know, I mean, some of them, actually. I've actually, I have met some, I was in San Bernardino.

00:05:18.840 I met an actual anarchist with Antifa who denounced the violence. And I'm like, then why would

00:05:23.380 you march with these guys? He's like, a real anarchist is peaceful.

00:05:28.140 Yeah.

00:05:28.440 And it's about cooperation and things like that. Whether you're market, you know, forces

00:05:33.820 or you're cooperative forces, like, anarchists do not hit each other, do not hit people to

00:05:40.160 get their way. You know, that's the antithesis of anarchy, you know.

00:05:44.180 But you are against the orthodoxy. You're, you're, you question the orthodoxy. Not necessarily

00:05:52.680 against it. Just question it. If you find it to be true, right?

00:05:56.580 Right, right, right. Exactly. That's why, that's why I think contrarian is probably the

00:05:58.680 wrong way to put it. So, you know, when I was younger, I, I was an anarchist skateboarder

00:06:03.240 very far left. And I, what, what pushed me away from all this was violence. Like these,

00:06:08.300 these, I was a teenager and I saw these kids picking fights for no reason. They wanted to

00:06:11.780 fight the jocks. I'm like, why would you start a fight with somebody? They'd yell at people.

00:06:15.700 And I was like, keep me away from that, man. That is not freedom and liberty and anarchy.

00:06:20.820 That is violence. And that is authority. And that's you imposing your will on others.

00:06:26.160 And so then I found myself more of this kind of like, um, more of a Bernie Sanders type.

00:06:30.980 This is when I was younger. Um, Hey, we should have more, you know, bigger government. We

00:06:35.380 should have free college. We should have all these things. I, and against the orthodoxy,

00:06:39.140 but, but this was when I was like 17 or 18. Okay. And then I had this really, this really

00:06:43.680 profound moment. So I, I, I was Catholic, um, from kindergarten until the end of fifth

00:06:48.720 grade. And then, uh, in sixth grade, we transferred to, uh, to a public school.

00:06:53.580 So I went to Catholic school. We were, my family were, were, um, great parishioners.

00:06:58.380 We donated, we fundraised, we were the top selling, you know, and my, put it simply,

00:07:04.320 we were disrespected as it were. And for family economic reasons, we decided to move to public

00:07:08.940 school. And so from there, I immediately became this very atheist man. These conservative pro-life,

00:07:15.260 you know, these people are idiots. They're all insane. And I had that very typical,

00:07:18.960 and then something happened. I, I was, I've been skateboarding my whole life and I met

00:07:23.720 the skateboarder guy who was prominent in Chicago. And so I was like, Whoa, like how cool I get to

00:07:29.980 hang out with this guy. He's like way older and he's really good at skating. And he said, Hey man,

00:07:33.860 me and my friends, we're going to go jam at my place later. You want to come with? And now I'm all

00:07:37.040 like, yeah, like how cool is this hanging out with the cool kids? Right. Right. And then when I get to

00:07:41.200 his apartment, I walk in his room, he's got a picture of Jesus on the wall. And I was like,

00:07:46.240 we have a picture of Jesus on the wall for you, like Christian or something. Think I'm all like

00:07:50.220 tough punk rock. And he goes, no. And I was like, what? No. Then why do you have Jesus on the wall?

00:07:54.940 He was like, Oh, I just thought it was cool. There's a story about a guy who traveled around

00:07:57.440 helping people. And that was like a smack in the face to me. And I was like, maybe I'm misunderstanding

00:08:03.420 people by assuming I know what they think and feel. This guy wasn't Christian. He just says cool story,

00:08:09.200 right? Like he's a, he's a cool guy. He was like really nice to people. And I'm like, that is,

00:08:12.980 that is, that is a good story. He's right. And so that was like a big wake up for me as a young

00:08:17.440 person. And I decided more churches need to do that. Right. Uh, so I, I'm still, I wouldn't call

00:08:22.980 myself an atheist, but that was like a moment for me where I realized I better actually start listening

00:08:27.420 to people. Right. Cause I had all these assumptions about what this meant and who these people were.

00:08:31.920 And that did that change come? What year, man, I was like, I think I was 18, you know,

00:08:36.720 so this is 15 years ago. And then from then on, I was more willing to like, listen. So that's,

00:08:42.040 that's the funny story. Uh, I mentioned off podcast. Uh, I used to work for Greenpeace

00:08:46.600 very briefly and then I worked for another, some other environmental nonprofits, but I remember

00:08:51.340 Greenpeace sent us out in Chicago to go canvas. So I'm one of those guys on the street corner,

00:08:55.720 wave into people like, Hey, you want to help the environment? Now it's been a long time. It's been

00:08:59.360 like 13 years. So I could be getting some of the, it's, it's maybe a bit apocryphal at this point,

00:09:03.600 but I, I, I, I vaguely recall them being for cap and trade, right. Government intervention.

00:09:09.680 And I remember when I was canvassing the books, there's a bookstore next to me with your book.

00:09:14.620 I think it's been a long time. An inconvenient truck. Yeah. Or yeah. Inconvenient book. Yeah.

00:09:19.300 And so I remember like opening up and like reading through it and it was a very like the free market

00:09:22.920 solutions to or something. And I was just like, I was guys, guys, no, he was talking about,

00:09:26.620 I'm 20. I'm, I know. And I go back out and start telling people I have the solution. I thought it was

00:09:31.620 funny that, you know, now here I am. Now here you are. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, the, uh, the problem I

00:09:40.480 think of just real quickly on that is, uh, that is the, uh, that's the attitude of too many people,

00:09:47.240 no matter what side they're on is I just know better. I don't even need to read that where no,

00:09:53.200 no way that's kind of important. You know, if you really, you know, nobody has any credibility with

00:09:59.120 me if you're, uh, if you're asking for government solutions, but you're not a vegan and you don't

00:10:05.280 agree with nuclear energy. You know, uh, I have a friend and I made them cry because they're far

00:10:12.580 left anarchist, real anarchist though, not violent, denouncing violence, but very, very, you know, so

00:10:18.060 we were having a conversation and I said, basically my issue with the policies you propose is that you

00:10:24.980 don't care about anyone outside of your community. Everything you're proposing would just benefit you.

00:10:30.200 And she was like, no, no, no. I want to make the world a better place. And I'm like, you're using

00:10:33.680 a Mac book right now. Look, I under, look, no, no, no. I'm not saying you can't have it, but do you

00:10:37.860 recognize that people at the Foxconn labs were walking off the building because the conditions

00:10:42.260 are so horrifying, right? You've got to say no to the Mac book, right? You can use a computer,

00:10:46.320 but you got to avoid the Foxconn stuff. And, and I said, listen, you're not making the world a

00:10:50.840 better place by giving your resources to a company that has people committing suicide. And what they did

00:10:54.960 they put nets up to catch the bodies. That was their response. And, uh, that conversation led to her

00:11:00.240 crying when I said the fact that you're willing to support these horrifying circumstances, but here's

00:11:06.220 the thing. I recognize that personally. And, uh, it's just, it's, we have to work to solve that

00:11:13.580 problem, but I do try to avoid, you know, you don't use Apple products. Oh, I hate Apple. Yeah. I hate

00:11:20.340 Apple too, but they're great products. I'm pretty sure Foxconn still does Samsung stuff too.

00:11:24.760 So it's, do you want the tool or not? You have to, you have to recognize that Americans

00:11:27.980 are wealthy, wealthy, privileged, and there are people on the world around the world who

00:11:31.620 don't have access to that. What are you going to do about it? That was one of my, uh, funny

00:11:35.520 highlights. I thought of the occupy wall street movement was that they were, they were taking

00:11:40.360 down Steve jobs. They were taking down. That's not true. Well, the ones I, the ones I saw on

00:11:45.720 video were taking them down and, but they were using the products, but, but actually it's worse

00:11:50.620 than that. When Steve jobs died, it was during occupy. They put up a shrine for him. There,

00:11:55.880 there was a Steve and I'm, I'm just like, how is that possible? It's you look, it's, it's

00:12:00.560 not like everyone occupy was marching in lockstep. Uh, but some people there, that, that guy was

00:12:07.140 a ruthless businessman. He was really bad. He's peak capitalism. Yeah. He, uh, he, uh, he's,

00:12:12.960 he's, he's, uh, the dirty kind of cat, right, right, right, right. You know, right. Capitalist

00:12:19.500 capitalism when it's done, right. I think is a charity almost. If you, you know, if you,

00:12:25.220 if you know moral sentiments, you know, that wealth of nations is just how it works, but

00:12:30.740 moral sentiments shows you what the invisible hand is going to give. If you, if you are a

00:12:36.140 society that wants to do good and you're a capitalist who wants to help people, right? How can I

00:12:42.820 help them have an easier life? Oh, I'm going to invent this. Great. I think we'll have some

00:12:47.860 disagreements on capitalism for sure, but yeah, but I do agree. I think, you know, the core of

00:12:53.800 what capitalism is the right to private property and to free trade for the individual, very simple.

00:12:59.080 It makes a ton of sense. And it will, socialism and communism will never work. So where do we

00:13:04.480 disagree? Um, I lean more towards government regulation probably. Oh, I'm assuming. I don't know.

00:13:09.400 Actually, I just made the assumption based on the global warming free market solutions and stuff.

00:13:14.200 I think, uh, left unchecked, like laissez-faire capitalism, you end up with, you know, humans

00:13:20.920 put their resources towards what trigger dope, what's what will trigger their dopamine. And so

00:13:25.320 we have to have, I, I think a mixed economy makes a lot of sense. Um, I think the U S technically

00:13:30.820 leans a little more towards the right in terms of how much taxes go towards government spending.

00:13:34.540 I probably lean a little bit to the left on a lot of, you know, some of these issues,

00:13:38.280 but I'm, I'm rather centrist. I just think, you know, how much money do we allocate towards

00:13:43.460 curing things like baldness? And is it like, I get it, you know, you have a right to do it, but

00:13:49.020 it's that baldness isn't the big concern. It's just kind of a funny thing to poke at,

00:13:52.760 but I look at, um, toxic waste, uh, dead zones in the ocean and things like that.

00:13:58.060 And I absolutely think there can't be market solutions to environmental problems, but I

00:14:03.900 think, you know, look, left unchecked, humans are going to make virtual reality games where

00:14:08.080 they can just, I'll try not to be crude, but you know, pleasure themselves.

00:14:11.520 Oh no, it's coming. It's absolutely coming. Um, and I, no pun intended. And I, I, uh, you

00:14:18.340 know, what am I, what are you going to do about, what are you going to do about that?

00:14:21.060 And I, and, and this is the, this is the ethical conundrum that exists within me because

00:14:24.500 the media is the best example of capitalism going wrong in that we're at a point now where

00:14:30.160 these companies are in danger. So they, they reach to the bottom of the barrel, which is

00:14:33.700 outrage content and ideology. And you know what they're lying. And you know what their next

00:14:38.680 reach out for is the government protection. We have to have government protection because

00:14:45.400 we are a valuable asset. We need bailouts. We need all of that. And there's already advocacy

00:14:50.820 for government funding. Correct. I mean, wasn't there some program

00:14:54.260 where, uh, they were funding journalism? I, I don't want to get into if I don't know the

00:14:58.060 facts, but I'll, I'll, I'll leave that. But yeah, I think that my, my big criticism of

00:15:02.700 government, which you probably share is it's extremely capitalism is effective in that bad

00:15:07.300 systems die. Can't make it work. You're gone. The problem with communist command economy

00:15:12.860 systems is that they just mandate the expenditure and take the resources from someone else by force.

00:15:17.040 And if your system is failing, it doesn't matter. You're draining the system, right? So,

00:15:21.560 you know, I recently made this critique about Bernie Sanders, his campaign can't pay his own

00:15:25.740 staff $15 per hour. Right. So what does he do? He cuts hours to get the equivalent. Well,

00:15:30.760 here's the problem. His staff said 36 K a year wasn't enough to buy food. Did Bernie say,

00:15:35.960 I'll give you more money? No. He said, okay, then don't work Saturdays. So do the same amount of

00:15:40.400 same work you have to do in shorter time, work harder. And we're still not going to pay you more

00:15:44.720 and let some of you go to pay. Some people are quitting, but so, so he's not going to increase

00:15:50.560 their wages. He's just making, he's just saying you better get your work done on time. And it's

00:15:53.980 really funny to come from Bernie. But the reason I think it's, it's a really good example of how

00:15:57.580 socialism doesn't work is that Bernie doesn't have the input to make the output work. The only thing

00:16:03.360 he can do is cut hours. Welcome to business, Bernie. Right. You know, his ideology just doesn't

00:16:08.700 function. And so he will, he will condemn that very act in others while doing it himself.

00:16:14.960 Yeah. So, you know, I was a big fan of Bernie in 20 and 2015, 16, but not particularly for his

00:16:21.200 more far left approaches to like free college. I think that's a terrible idea, but it was more so

00:16:25.560 about for one, he opposed the free trade agreements. He is for secure borders and he has a, he wasn't a

00:16:30.760 flip-flopper. I think it's for secure borders. Oh yeah. And 20 and 2015, he said open borders is a

00:16:37.220 Koch brother's proposal. We can't have that. And in fact, a few months ago, Bernie Sanders said,

00:16:41.980 he was asked, would you be for open borders? He said, my God, no, there's too many poor people 1.00

00:16:46.640 in this world. Bernie said that. Wow. And that's why I don't like him today because I think he's a

00:16:50.600 hypocrite. I think when he goes on stage and says, we're going to give healthcare to, you know,

00:16:54.200 undocumented immigrants. Correct. And, and then everyone, and then you've got Julian Castro saying

00:16:58.200 decriminalize border crossings. It's tacit open borders, but it's worse than that. These people are

00:17:03.700 advocating for a permanent underclass. That to me, freaks me out. You're saying you're going to

00:17:08.260 have people who aren't citizens who you won't deport them. What are they going to do? They're 0.99

00:17:14.200 going to work under the table. They're going to get government benefits, but I imagine it's a very

00:17:17.980 ivory tower elite position to welcome that. And it's not surprising to me. You can't, you can't have

00:17:23.660 a welfare state and open border, right? You have to pick one. You want a welfare state or do you want

00:17:30.920 open borders? But once you open up and say, Hey, free food for everybody, where do you think

00:17:36.140 everybody in the world who has cancer and we happen to be the best at curing cancer, where do you think

00:17:42.260 they're going? So you, so you know what? My, my, my conundrum in all this is for one, love the

00:17:47.060 environment. I'm very much an environmentalist. Like I said, I worked for Greenpeace. You get Ocasio

00:17:51.040 Cortez on the scene and she proposes this green new deal. When she first did, I was like, I'm down to

00:17:56.080 hear it. It sounds great. And then what does she propose? Free, free college, free healthcare, 0.65

00:18:01.000 guaranteed jobs, income. I'm like, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hon. You're, you're killing

00:18:04.580 the environmental argument here. So what, you know, what I, uh, what I often say to a lot of my

00:18:09.280 less liberal friends, you know, more conservative types is if, if look, if you've got people who

00:18:13.820 don't believe climate change is manmade and you're coming to them and saying they're stupid or wrong,

00:18:18.120 you're not arguing anything. Yes. If you think we need a massive overhaul to save the planet

00:18:22.600 and you, you refuse to accept anything from conservatives, you're not making an argument.

00:18:27.340 Perhaps the argument is what can we both achieve? Even if we disagree, is there perhaps a market,

00:18:32.840 you know, a tax incentive program for certain technologies that can bolster business, make

00:18:37.780 the United States more competitive internationally and help, uh, you know, increase environmental

00:18:42.200 awareness and protect the environment. Can we agree on something like that? You don't make.

00:18:46.100 So, so, so, so where do we, so where do we, where do we go? And, and, and let me give

00:18:52.840 you, um, I'm, you know, I'm a demon on global warming. I'm the worst guy ever, except, except

00:19:00.760 my, my farm and my ranch are 100% green. Um, I have insulation over the top, new insulation

00:19:11.700 that makes sure that you can, you can live in my house at 20 below zero or a hundred degrees,

00:19:18.820 and it's going to stay without any real air conditioning and without any fireplace. I mean,

00:19:24.380 one fireplace, 3000 square feet, and I can keep it at 10 below zero outside. I can keep it at 65

00:19:31.520 with one fireplace on private jets. Well, I was, um, I, uh, I'm not saying I'm an environmentalist

00:19:39.180 guy. I'm just saying I care about the environment, right? I do care about things that I can do.

00:19:45.200 There are some things that I'm, I'm not going to change my ways on, but I can afford the expensive

00:19:53.100 stuff for my house. And by, by, by putting those in my house, I'm helping making them cheaper for

00:19:59.940 other people. I do believe that man is probably involved. There's no way man can't be doing all

00:20:06.440 that we're doing and it's not affecting it somehow or another. Yeah, I agree. I also think you can look

00:20:11.240 at the thermometer and, you know, is it going up or down? It's hard to track it beyond 1900 because

00:20:19.380 everything was so bad. And I think some of it is screwy now, but we're getting better at tracking it.

00:20:26.960 Predicting it. I have no idea. The climate is always in flux and always changing,

00:20:32.940 but I'm willing to do the things that I think we should do. Uh, but I don't agree with the

00:20:40.600 solutions to, I don't agree with deals, not a solution. I know that that's most of it's not

00:20:47.140 a solution. Right, right, right. Most of it is about crippling, um, the West or keeping the rising

00:20:55.380 economies in poverty, which I think is absolutely immoral. I don't, I disagree with the first one.

00:21:01.560 I don't think there's an intention among like many people in power to say like, we want to,

00:21:06.980 we want to hurt America. AOC? Well, AOC is different though. Okay. Right. She's this far 0.74

00:21:11.660 left socialist type who has this identity. I mean, look, that, that green new deal was talking about

00:21:16.780 like racial equity. I'm like, what does that have to do with the environment? It is none of it. And,

00:21:21.080 and I'm, I'm deeply offended by that. You know, not like my offense matters to the greater picture,

00:21:26.160 but no, I am. I mean, I want, um, greener pastures and bluer skies and all this beauty

00:21:31.840 and everything. Like I'm sure most people do, but when she comes out, all she did was make the 1.00

00:21:36.780 environmental movement look ridiculous. And it's, and it, and then you get environmentalists just

00:21:40.960 backing her for no reason. But you know what? I've, I've talked to some prominent progressives

00:21:45.360 and they asked me if I support the green new deal. And I say, not hers. And they asked me why.

00:21:50.900 And then I asked him, did you read it? And they say, no. And that's, and there we are.

00:21:54.900 So they're, they're under the assumption, the green new deal is going to be this like

00:21:58.700 government investment into solar power. And I'm like, no, it was like free college and free

00:22:04.580 healthcare, which had nothing to do with the environment. In fact, if you, if we had open

00:22:08.420 borders, if not even let's, let's, let's clarify the open borders things. I know the left is going to

00:22:12.560 jump and say, Oh, they're lying. They're misconstruing. Sure. If you don't criminalize illegal border

00:22:16.920 crossings and then provide government benefits to people to come here, you're incentivizing

00:22:20.400 the behavior and the U S already produces too much carbon, right? So the last thing we need is

00:22:25.460 more people coming here and increasing the amount of carbon we're producing, right? Not only that,

00:22:29.420 but they're not vaccinated. So you've got all these arguments that doesn't, don't seem to make

00:22:33.100 sense. I think, you know, ultimately the way I reach out to people who are more conservative on

00:22:38.620 the issue is look, the government offers you a tax incentive if you buy an electric car. Good.

00:22:43.420 What can we, can we do more things like that, but aren't, aren't the changes and, and I'll give

00:22:49.900 you government regulation has encouraged changes, but haven't the changes in the combustion engine

00:22:57.260 now, a brand new combustion engine is actually better for the environment than an electric car.

00:23:06.400 Is it, is it? I'm not. Yeah, it is. That's, I can't quote it for you right now and we'll look

00:23:12.920 it up, but I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Operate assumption that that's true. Um, uh, and it's,

00:23:18.900 you know, it's close, but it's still getting better. Right. Yeah. Um, and that's just innovation.

00:23:25.320 And I think there's, I go back to the case for moral sentiments, which is, you know, Adam Smith is

00:23:32.780 who wrote the, you know, um, wealth of nations. The first book is moral sentiments. And it says,

00:23:39.020 if you're a part of a society that has moral sentiments, good moral sentiments that can come

00:23:46.860 from just, everybody is just in love and everybody somehow or another has just become, you know,

00:23:52.720 Gandhi and Christ all put together, or there is some system that has taught them how to be moral.

00:24:01.940 That is really important because that will direct what they build and what they want.

00:24:08.860 I agree. We are asking and needing more and more, more regulation and more laws because

00:24:15.000 we're screwing this up. We're not, uh, uh, moral decent people. Uh, I can't say for the most part,

00:24:24.440 but we're, we're losing that. I think we're increasingly becoming, uh, we, we agree less

00:24:30.000 on what is more on what isn't right. Um, uh, yes and no. I think we're, I think, I think we're

00:24:37.220 just becoming morally lazy. Well, I, I look at it this way. Um, you go back to the fifties where

00:24:43.660 most people are Christian, you know? Um, and so there's very common values and it's really easy

00:24:48.660 to trust someone when you know, you have very, very similar base values. Well, things are changing

00:24:55.540 now. I, I wouldn't go to Portland. I wouldn't either, but it's not because it's Christianity. 1.00

00:25:00.740 It's because it's because we don't agree on thou shall not steal. Thou shall not kill. Take out

00:25:06.880 thou, just make it Bob safety tips. The big 10, give me seven of the 10. We, it doesn't matter who

00:25:12.960 said them anymore. Um, it, it, it, they just don't, they don't agree. They believe it is moral

00:25:19.980 to lie. Yes. Um, I say they, as in the, whatever this, uh, more vocal and dominating faction on the

00:25:26.900 left is, you know, the Antifa types, the regressive, whatever you want to call them. They believe by any

00:25:32.480 means necessary, even if it means hurting innocent people, they don't care. And so we don't agree on

00:25:38.080 what is moral now. I certainly don't agree with them. And I think that's why, you know,

00:25:42.460 there's kind of like this weird alignment between centrists, former liberals and conservatives

00:25:46.700 today. We still agree, you know, at least we have these base rules, but this group doesn't have it.

00:25:52.180 They believe that's a majority. I here's, I don't think the majority of the left hold these views,

00:25:57.800 but I do think the majority of the left is bowing to it. Just ignoring it, backing away. I mean,

00:26:04.220 you know, I had a conversation with a boomer who is a lifelong Democrat who told me I'm scared by

00:26:14.320 what's happening with immigration. The Democrats aren't doing anything about it and I can't say

00:26:19.100 anything because I'll be destroyed. So do you think that plays into what? Well, my friends who voted for

00:26:30.400 Bernie felt cheated by the Democrats and they're not paying attention. They don't care anymore.

00:26:34.220 They're just like, I'm done. It's pointless. And there are other people who are paying attention

00:26:39.220 that I know that feel scared. If they speak up, they'll be called a Nazi. Right. They don't.

00:26:45.080 So what are they going to do? Nothing. They, uh, I've, it's, will they vote? Um, independent,

00:26:50.980 probably. So I'm talking about an anecdotal group of, right, right, right. Yeah. I know,

00:26:55.160 you know, it's my personal sphere and, um, my family, lifelong Democrats. And, uh, right now they're

00:27:00.980 all going, what the hell is going on? You know, we're just, I don't see it. I, I, I have no problem

00:27:06.000 speaking up. Of course they call me a right wing, even though you're not, I'm, I'm on a lot of, a

00:27:11.680 lot of issues probably around where Obama was. Yeah. And that's, well, that's right wing today to

00:27:16.220 these people. Look at the Democrats, the 2020 Democrats. I mean, we had an article from the

00:27:20.600 New York Times saying the governors are worried because the 2020 candidates are going so far

00:27:25.760 left. Promising healthcare to undocumented immigrants is mind blowing to me. Obama promised universal

00:27:31.080 healthcare at the end of his first term. Couldn't get it done yet. We've jumped over that. And now

00:27:35.180 we're like, we'll just give healthcare to everybody. And he promised, he promised it won't go there.

00:27:41.720 Yeah. It won't go there. We will never do that. You have, you have Nancy Pelosi saying in 2008,

00:27:48.160 and I believe this is a pretty accurate quote, the last thing we need are more undocumented 1.00

00:27:55.160 citizens. Well, the, first of all, they're not citizens if they're undocumented, but how did you

00:28:00.860 get from there to here? You know what I think it is? Twitter. I really think, you know, Twitter,

00:28:07.740 all these journalists have become addicted to it. And so they're all writing the same things and

00:28:12.880 they're listening to these extremist activists, but you know what it is? It's a combination of around

00:28:18.100 the 2010s when Huffington Post, Buzzfeed, and these other blogs started to pop up. They were

00:28:22.820 exploiting human sentiment on Facebook for shares. Outrage generates the most traffic. It's a fact,

00:28:28.960 as we know this to be true. So you think about what's going to work in terms of selling content,

00:28:33.920 orange man bad, right? That's why we're seeing the Trump bump because scare people, shock them,

00:28:38.740 make them angry. You know, there was a website that I could be getting this wrong. I want to make

00:28:43.280 sure I clarify that, but we got a lot of gray zone stuff here. Well, I mean, I say this,

00:28:48.460 I say, I say it could be wrong specifically to avoid one lawsuits. Yeah. Okay. And also just,

00:28:52.720 it's been years since I've gone over the data, but there was a website dedicated to nothing but

00:28:57.740 police brutality on Facebook that cracked like the top thousand websites in the world

00:29:01.460 because people on Facebook would see this police brutality video and click share. And that was money,

00:29:06.780 money, money. So they went nuts with it. And it's, you know, you, you, you see these,

00:29:11.120 you see sites like that. You saw the problem of, there was a lot of fake news on the right as well,

00:29:14.380 because they were exploiting outrage with fake news. And then what was left is Vox, Buzzfeed,

00:29:20.800 Huffington post, these websites that still try and maintain this fringe identitarian ideology

00:29:26.200 for rage, you know, for, for clicks. And that's where we're at now. And so what happens is you take

00:29:31.660 millennials who for the past 10 years have been inundated nonstop with stories about privilege and

00:29:36.320 diversity and police brutality. And now they live in this crazy world of nonsense where they're like,

00:29:44.620 it's a delusional state. If you ask me, I'll actually give you a real example of,

00:29:48.300 of how this happened. So Facebook created an algorithm that algorithm shows content based on

00:29:54.460 certain criteria, engagement, outrage generates engagement. So Buzzfeed staff, actually, I'll give

00:29:59.860 you a real example, Mike.com. Uh, there was an expose where, uh, I believe tablet magazine did an

00:30:05.060 expose talking to former employees who said, we have a formula X does Y to X. Like basically this

00:30:10.500 is, we write this and it will get shares. Humans trying to cater to the algorithm, which was imperfect,

00:30:17.720 sent people into this weird world of chaos, but, but that's hard to parse through. But this,

00:30:24.080 this next story isn't YouTube created an algorithm. Parents will give their tablet to a baby

00:30:30.760 and press play on a video. And then YouTube automatically plays videos that are similar.

00:30:36.520 The first videos that people were giving to their kids were, was a song called finger family.

00:30:41.380 I don't know if you've ever heard the nursery rhyme, like finger family, finger family.

00:30:44.920 And so you'd see these cartoons of someone singing very happy, very normal, very wholesome

00:30:49.320 people in India seeing an opportunity to generate traffic because you know, these views,

00:30:56.420 these videos were getting watched for 30 minutes because the babies can't press buttons. So they

00:31:00.740 started making really low quality versions that started getting twisted and deranged. They wrote

00:31:05.460 programs to create the videos for them. They sought out keywords in the algorithm that were hot and

00:31:09.820 were more likely to be recommended. And all of a sudden babies were sitting in front of tablets

00:31:14.520 where they would watch the incredible Hulk dance with Adolf Hitler while this creepy muffled voice

00:31:21.720 was singing this very out of tune song. And the parents didn't know their babies were watching it.

00:31:26.420 Good.

00:31:27.300 It was automatic. So YouTube fixed this problem, right? But that story gives you a better view

00:31:33.360 of what human, like the, the adults are getting into and not realizing it. Right. When you look at

00:31:38.240 a video of Hitler dancing with the incredible Hulk while some Indian guy sings into a 1980s microphone,

00:31:43.540 you're like, this is insane. And it was like, it's, and there were different versions of like

00:31:48.160 a Spider-Man and Elsa doing it. We started seeing these really weird videos of Spider-Man and Elsa

00:31:53.160 giving each other injections for, cause it was, yep. And this got to the point where you actually

00:31:58.300 had a video in Russia where a father held his daughter down and gave her an injection on camera

00:32:02.180 and it got millions of views because the algorithm didn't know what was actually good content.

00:32:07.720 It only knew like it gets a lot of watch time, right? So now think about what we can visibly see

00:32:14.140 as insanity, delusional content where babies are watching just, it was, it was like an acid trip.

00:32:20.480 And now you have to realize the stuff that's being fed on Facebook by Buzzfeed Vox. It's very,

00:32:25.900 very similar in its derangement, but it's masked. You know, adults can't see that they're being fed

00:32:31.400 this nightmare reality. And now here we are with the Democrats promising healthcare to people who

00:32:35.440 aren't citizens, which we can't afford, which makes no sense.

00:32:38.540 So where does that end? Oh man. Um, civil war chaos. I mean, look, I'm worried about these babies

00:32:49.820 who were inundated with this nightmarish content. That's, that's, that affects them. Oh yeah. It's

00:32:55.640 the most impressionable years of their life. They're going to grow up with weird things in their heads.

00:33:00.660 These people, these millennials who were teenagers, late teenagers started getting inundated with this

00:33:06.480 fringe outrage content are now living in this nightmare realm that can't be broken out of

00:33:11.180 because they've spent, you know, 40% of their life in this world that isn't real.

00:33:15.840 Okay. So, so, so, uh, before we go to the future, help me here. It's just talking to a senator just a

00:33:24.320 couple of days ago and, um, very intelligent, very well read, um, constitutional guy. And, uh,

00:33:32.840 we were talking about Google and YouTube and Facebook and everything else. And he said,

00:33:37.540 uh, he said, I'm really torn. He said, cause I don't want to regulate them out of business. He said,

00:33:46.420 because I believe in the free market, he said, but then again, we have to have some safeguards. So

00:33:52.620 this kind of stuff doesn't happen. Uh, and I said, well, but they are so fast and things can change

00:34:02.860 so rapidly and it's only going to get worse with machine learning. It'll just, it'll just happen

00:34:08.400 overnight. And I said, I, I really believe this election could be deeply affected by just algorithms

00:34:17.600 that they're designing. Now, you know, they're the creepy line project by the Harvard professor

00:34:22.580 that is documenting just the way they change the recommended, uh, videos, or by the way,

00:34:30.620 Google stacks the news. When you go in and search for something, they can swing independence 80% in

00:34:37.320 the other direction. Oh yeah. Yeah. Out of sight, out of mind. If the only thing you hear is from one

00:34:42.000 side. So, you know, I've said this before and it's, it's meant to be a little hyperbolic, but I think

00:34:46.540 if something isn't done, there won't be Republicans as they are today will cease to exist.

00:34:52.020 By, by when? Uh, I mean, I'm being hyperbolic within the next couple of elections. Uh, look at,

00:34:58.760 I'll, I'll give you a good example. Donald Trump, he's the president. A lot of predictions, uh,

00:35:02.480 models say he'll win 2020. I think that's a fair point, but Twitter said he breaks the rules.

00:35:08.420 He's not allowed to be on the platform, but here's what we're going to do. Twitter said,

00:35:11.640 we're going to put a notice on his tweet if they break the rules, but you know what they're really

00:35:15.340 saying? There's a line in the sand. As of today, no one, whoever speaks like the president will be

00:35:20.720 allowed to use this platform. Well, if you can't use Twitter, which is one of the dominant, you know,

00:35:25.820 spaces for public discourse, then we will never see the rise of someone like Donald Trump ever again.

00:35:32.480 Well, that's the Google stated goal. Facebook is said, same thing internally. The good sense,

00:35:39.120 yeah, we can't let this kind of stuff happen again. You know, they're there. They believe that

00:35:44.820 they are right. And as no offense, but as progressives usually do, they believe they

00:35:51.820 are the right ones. They have more information. And so I'm going to just take progressive steps

00:35:57.900 to get you dummies to go along that there's two ways of looking at progressivism that way.

00:36:03.500 Okay. If it is good and we all agree, that's authoritarian progressivism. Yes. Yeah. And

00:36:09.740 I disagree with it. And that's where they are. That's where they are. Yep. I mean, there's a,

00:36:14.180 there's a, a real problem in my opinion, that is going to happen before we even get up to speed

00:36:21.680 to where these companies, and I am for the free market, but these companies are getting double dealt

00:36:29.920 by the government. They're getting platform status and they're getting publishing status. So they get

00:36:36.820 all the complicated, complicated problem too, but they've got, but you can't be protected on all

00:36:43.920 fronts and then start to say, you know what? I want to do good in the world. And so I believe this is

00:36:50.100 good. And so I'm going to steer people this way. We're, we're talking about companies that

00:36:55.540 will not have, no one will have the protection of the constitution because the constitution applies

00:37:02.920 to the government, not to private companies. The, uh, tyranny is being outsourced. Yes. That's that

00:37:08.200 I find that nightmarish. So it's funny, you know, you get these woke activists, they'll, they'll be

00:37:13.140 like, here comes Tim to the defense of conservatives. And I'm like, first of all, remember that poem

00:37:17.120 first they came for? Yeah. Right. I'm, I, I look to the conservatives in this country as doing what

00:37:22.540 conservatives always do. I've heard the arguments. I disagree with a lot of them, but Hey, we're all

00:37:26.900 Americans. And the point is we find that compromise. The problem now is nothing to do with

00:37:31.580 conservatives. It's a handful of billionaires running unaccountable corporations with government

00:37:36.640 protection. Where's the left? I mean, I grew up with liberals saying corporation bad. And I'm like,

00:37:42.380 I agree. I grew up making fun of things like blade runner going, please. I work for the

00:37:48.560 corporation. Shut up. I've always been there. And for the last 10 years, I find myself with a

00:37:55.640 growing number of conservatives all saying, ah, something's really wrong here. Yep. Something's

00:38:02.480 really wrong. And you know, you know, what really, what, what really annoys me is I've had a lot of

00:38:07.080 conversations with inaction conservatives. I'll call them because I'm not saying regulation is

00:38:11.740 necessarily, you know, what has to happen, but something has to happen. Yes. And there are so many

00:38:16.200 conservatives that say, no, no, no, we should let them do what they want. I'm like, okay, great.

00:38:20.600 You'll be banned first. I mean, your opinions won't exist anymore. Right. You know, here's the

00:38:24.740 thing I noticed. I was talking to this guy who's a far left activist. He told me he was a centrist.

00:38:30.380 He was a socialist. Like socialism is not the center. Quite literally on the political compass,

00:38:35.260 socialism is as far left as can possibly you can go. And laissez-faire is as far right as you can

00:38:40.440 possibly go. And I'm talking about the compass, not like American cultural standards. And he thought he was in

00:38:45.000 the middle. And so you realize that, and you look at someone like, you know, Jack Dorsey or Sundar

00:38:50.480 Pichai, and they think they're in the middle when they're far left. So then they go, okay, so

00:38:56.440 Democrats are far right and communists are far left and socialists, you know, social, socialist

00:39:02.440 Democrats, you know, our democratic socialists are here in the middle. We should, we should ban

00:39:06.600 everyone to the right of a Democrat. That's literally what they're doing, man. I got to say,

00:39:10.780 you know, it's really scaring me too. I, it's my, we're going to derail a little bit,

00:39:13.500 I guess, but I was talking, uh, on the Jack, on the, on the Joe Rogan podcast with Jack

00:39:18.200 Dorsey. And right away I said, your rules are biased against conservatives. And the look

00:39:23.220 on his face, he didn't realize it. He said, what, what rule? He was genuinely believed

00:39:27.160 his rules weren't. And I said, first of all, the misgendering policy. Like, I understand

00:39:31.040 why you want to protect the trans community. They have very high suicide rates. And I can

00:39:35.480 agree with, you know, I can respect that sentiment, but you have to realize more than half

00:39:39.020 this country, like substantial majority of this country, even liberals do not agree with

00:39:44.240 a lot of what's happening in this argument. Like, um, like transgender, uh, women competing 0.99

00:39:48.980 against biological women, right? I'm like lifelong Democrats are concerned about that. When you, 0.61

00:39:53.720 when you say you're going to ban every conservative because they hold this view or, or bent, or they

00:39:58.300 have to bend the knee and never express that view. You've got a rule base that's, is basically

00:40:02.300 threatening them at any moment. The sword is damocles over your head. You can be, you kicked off

00:40:06.060 the platform. Now what do we see in Canada? A trans woman is filed, has filed a human rights

00:40:12.420 complaint against a Brazilian, uh, waxing salon because the trans woman has male parts and

00:40:19.160 is demanding the female make contact. The law, it is this, this, this, this, um, professional 0.96

00:40:27.280 waxer shut down her business. And we've just gone insane. That to me is crossing the line.

00:40:33.060 We are, we are denying reality. Yeah. At the same time, we're denying an individual right 0.61

00:40:41.720 to say, I don't want to participate in that. I don't care if you do it, but I don't want

00:40:47.740 to participate. This right here is like, uh, when it came to the baker in Colorado, whether

00:40:53.400 you should make a custom cake for a gay wedding, I've always been like, it's just a cake. You 1.00

00:40:57.640 don't have to, like my opinion was if you're accepting a public infrastructure, a taxpaying

00:41:03.460 citizen who helps contribute to the pipes, to the sidewalks, to this, to this pub, to

00:41:06.920 your safety and fire department, then just make the cake for them. Right. But I got to

00:41:10.320 admit, making a cake is simple. You might disagree with it, but waxing a male's privates is like 0.92

00:41:17.380 state enforced. Right.

00:41:19.740 Right. So that's a principle, but it doesn't nightmare. I mean, you know, art is so sacred.

00:41:25.880 Well, my father was a cake decorator. I grew up in a bakery and his, he, that was his art.

00:41:32.540 Right. Right. And you're going to force people their art. And you know, you can define that

00:41:38.200 in many, many ways. What I do to some degree is, is an art form. You know, you're, you're

00:41:45.080 doing television, you're whatever. It's an art form. You, you can't tell people and force

00:41:51.820 people to do the things that are against what they feel, truly feel.

00:41:57.880 But this is, this has been so crazy for me because man, I've, I, even in the past few

00:42:02.180 months, I made videos where I said, listen, you know, that gay couple, they're paying taxes.

00:42:07.640 Okay. You're reaping the benefits of their income in our community to turn them away because

00:42:12.080 you don't want to write some words on a cake, but writing, but the issue then becomes, uh,

00:42:16.260 actually, I've got another really great point on this. We're getting now to this, you know,

00:42:19.460 waxing thing in Canada and it's stressing my view on the ethics of whether a business should have to

00:42:24.100 do anything. But I, but I thought about something similar in that it's really easy to hold a

00:42:29.180 principle when you don't challenge the line. For instance, um, you're familiar with Blackstone's

00:42:33.500 formulation. It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer. Or, um, yeah.

00:42:38.800 So I thought about that and I said, okay, would you free 10 shoplifters if it meant one innocent

00:42:48.400 person accused of shoplifting would go free? And most people would say, oh, of course, would

00:42:53.940 you, would you free 10 child rapists if it meant one innocent person would go free? And

00:43:00.000 then all of a sudden people start questioning Blackstone's formulation because that's 10 people

00:43:03.540 did some nightmarish crime. And so, you know, it's easy to hold a principle when your perspective

00:43:09.500 is shoplifting, but you have to, it has to remain in place no matter, no matter how bad

00:43:16.100 the crime, right? And otherwise this is the, well, this is the ethical and moral conundrum

00:43:19.720 for me. Cause I'm like, am I going to be the person to tell that woman she has to touch 1.00

00:43:23.360 that man? No, that's that line is hard. That's hard. We, we, we have, but we have to respect

00:43:32.440 that people have different viewpoints, different lifestyles, different everything. But there's

00:43:39.080 if, if you don't protect the individual right to be themselves and the individual right, um,

00:43:47.680 to say, I'm a, I disagree with that. What, what do you have? You have, you have mom and

00:43:55.940 dad called into the room every time brother and sister are having an argument and then

00:44:00.580 they have to decide, right? They sometimes don't make the right decision. You know what

00:44:04.920 I mean? You have to say, you know what guys, you're going to have to work it out. You have

00:44:11.100 to get along cause we're all living in the same house. You know, it's really interesting

00:44:14.820 though is, uh, the cake argument is my, as I understand it is, is often mis, uh, understood

00:44:20.600 by liberals, the left. I hate saying liberals cause let's be real. Like the left is not,

00:44:24.800 but the people on the left think the issue was he said, get out of my store. When in

00:44:28.040 reality he said, you can have any cake you want, you're not going to get me to draw what

00:44:31.640 you want. What's interesting about that is it's a first amendment argument. I can't be compelled

00:44:36.840 to speak. That's Twitter's argument for banning whoever they want. Twitter's argument

00:44:41.240 is that speech is coming from Twitter and we can't be forced to permit it. It's a first

00:44:46.360 amendment argument, but then they are not a platform and should not have platform protections.

00:44:53.040 But outside of this, right? Yeah. The idea is why should a baker be forced to speak on behalf

00:44:58.960 of the gay couple, but Twitter not be forced to speak on behalf of the citizen. It's great.

00:45:03.400 Arbitrary lines, right? It's, it's, it's man. Um, you know, I think it's funny that there

00:45:09.200 are a lot of people who engage in like political commentary and debate that think you have to

00:45:12.680 have an answer to everything and they approach everything as a debate where one either is

00:45:16.560 or isn't. And I'm like, look, I can just flat out say, honestly, I don't know where that

00:45:19.280 line is. It's a hard, it's a hard ethical, you know, like the pro-choice pro-life thing

00:45:22.820 for me is one of the hardest ethical issues I've ever, you know, had to even try and figure

00:45:26.900 out. But we, well, we can go to the platform publisher thing, you know, to move on from

00:45:32.400 this. Hang on. Let me, let me stop at abortion. Yeah. The problem is the problem

00:45:37.400 with this is I am pro-life, but the thing that I have the hardest time doing is at conception

00:45:51.720 at two weeks, if it's rape, if it's incest, I don't want to be the dad that has to go to

00:46:00.540 my daughter who's just been raped. And so you got to carry that child. Right. However, for 0.99

00:46:05.320 me to be consistent, that's what I have to say, but I don't like it. And I think there's

00:46:11.700 a lot of people that are there. They're like, look, I don't want to get involved in somebody

00:46:15.560 else's life. I don't know all the facts. And so they, they will be mushy there, but we're

00:46:22.920 not that we're not having that conversation. Now we're having the conversation of kill it

00:46:28.220 at any time for any reason, even after they're born. I mean, it's right. Right. So, um, well,

00:46:34.200 we'll jump into this topic. Uh, I've grown up Democrat, Democrat family, pro-choice, except

00:46:41.080 we were always like, there's a limit at a certain point we can't. And so safe, safe, rare. And

00:46:49.560 what was the other one? It was like available or so legal, legal, safe and rare, rare. Yeah.

00:46:54.800 And now, uh, I remember seeing the segment on, um, I think her name is Michelle Wolf or something.

00:47:00.340 I can't remember her name. Was that the comedian? She had a show on Netflix and she was yelling 1.00

00:47:04.100 abortions for everyone. You had Lena Dunham say that she wished she had an abortion. And for me,

00:47:09.180 that was kind of like, what, what's happening? I saw, I saw a person in Seattle, an abortion

00:47:15.220 activist, and she was giving a speech in Seattle. And she said, you know, my first abortion was in

00:47:22.120 Seattle and it was my best abortion. I thought you go to a doctor, you go to a vet and the vet says,

00:47:30.760 Ooh, putting your dog down. That was my first, that was my first euthanizing an animal. That was

00:47:37.040 a good one. You go to everybody, you know, and say, this person has deep issues. This is,

00:47:41.600 this is a really good, uh, man, there's so many issues to talk about how the mainstream media

00:47:46.240 supported left is losing their minds. Polls show most Americans believe on a limitation at a certain

00:47:51.240 point. You know, it was like after the first trimester or something, I don't know the way,

00:47:54.780 the way I've always viewed it is I grew up with very, you know, my, my dad was always kind of

00:48:00.520 conservative. My mom was pretty much a hippie and, but we were Democrat pro-choice and all that. And

00:48:05.600 it was, you know, my dad saying something like, look, you're, you should never be happy about an

00:48:10.740 abortion. You know, if you're ever with a woman and something, you know, you have to be responsible. 0.97

00:48:14.660 And there are certain circumstances where we begrudgingly accept we need the ability to have an

00:48:18.740 abortion. That was the growing up. It was like, it was really bad. And if you had to do it, you had

00:48:23.820 to, and it was something to be upset about today. It's a joke. Oh yeah. People like people wearing

00:48:29.100 shirts that are saying like, you know, going to go get an abortion or something. But most Americans

00:48:33.500 don't feel that way. So here I am as somebody who is always been a moderate, you know, Democrat leaning

00:48:39.180 to the left of my family saying, yeah, right. Um, for me, I'm pro-choice on libertarian grounds and it's

00:48:44.400 a very, very complicated ethical position. I am 100% within every inch of my body opposed to the

00:48:49.180 death penalty. And that makes it really hard when it comes to pro-life. I believe life begins at

00:48:54.480 conception. I don't, I don't see any way you can argue against that. It's it is life exists,

00:49:00.200 but I also think there's a challenge in having the government mandate that one person share their

00:49:05.260 body with another person, not while recognizing sure you can have irresponsible young kids who got

00:49:10.840 themselves in that problem, but you can't have victims of assault or now being forced by the

00:49:14.600 government. And I don't know whether I should be involved in the moral, ethical, and health related

00:49:21.380 decisions of an individual at a governmental level. I want this. I want the cops to go in with guns and

00:49:26.600 force this person to do that thing. And so all I can really do is say within me, the only thing I can

00:49:32.280 do is lean towards the more freedom, even though I understand there are two lives at stake. I can't

00:49:37.180 compel someone to provide their body to someone else. I just don't know. I don't know the answer

00:49:40.960 as best as I can do. I would, I would, um, see your reasoning. Um, if it stops at rape or incest.

00:49:50.040 Well, no, not even that, not even that, because I don't blame the baby for that. I don't blame them.

00:49:55.060 No, no, no. I know that, but you're saying I can't, the government can't compel you to have,

00:49:59.840 um, well, okay, but the government's not compelling you. Those are your consequences.

00:50:07.620 You know, I stand on the railroad track. Well, it's like, um, I'm going to get mowed over by a

00:50:13.060 train eventually. One of the challenges with like later term abortion is severe deformity or

00:50:18.780 inviability. And so it's, it's hard for me to believe the government has the ability to know

00:50:24.700 a one size fits all solution. And here's the bigger ethical conundrum. The data, at least I've

00:50:30.160 looked up shows that majority of abortions are for no reason at all. And so it's like, how do you,

00:50:36.660 that, that I don't believe there's like a good, like compromise to this problem at all. I don't

00:50:40.900 know if there's a solution at all because you either have there, if you're talking about rape,

00:50:46.200 incest, horrible deformities, you can at least make a case to all reasonable people, right?

00:50:54.700 To say no abortions. You can, you could make the case to a moral person, but then it breaks apart 0.92

00:51:05.780 when you start to add in the human element of, Hey, but we don't know everything that's going on.

00:51:12.780 But the abortion anytime for any reason, I don't see the argument. Now here's the problem though. 0.92

00:51:18.660 When it comes to the argues of rape and incest, how does the government determine

00:51:22.900 it was or wasn't right? Is someone lying to get it? Or my problem is, is the baby isn't responsible.

00:51:29.620 Right. Exactly. This is a tough, tough problem. And, and, and, you know, I think, but that's,

00:51:34.760 but that the struggle to get to an answer is just as important as the answer. As long as we're

00:51:43.060 struggling to get to the answer, but I don't think we are, I think we've just abandoned all good

00:51:49.820 faith. Well, whatever this left leftism, there's not even like here we are having a conversation

00:51:55.320 trying to figure out the ethics of what is right and what is wrong, like normal human beings. And

00:51:59.120 the left is basically saying at any point for any reason. Right. And I'm like, wait, wait, hold on.

00:52:02.520 You, you are in the other room. We're not, you're not even in a conversation. What's going on?

00:52:06.020 You know, for me, it comes down to like, you have a victim of rape, incest, and do you have

00:52:12.020 to then have them present evidence? Do they go through some ordeal or is it like between you and

00:52:16.600 your doctor? I just lean towards libertarian, I guess. And I don't think I'm right or wrong. I

00:52:22.260 just, I actually think I'm wrong in a lot of ways on it, but I don't know what to do. You know what

00:52:25.940 I mean? So it's, it's, I think that's where most people are on a lot of big issues. Right. And they

00:52:32.680 just, what they want is an end to this nightmare of calling people names for, you know, you look at

00:52:39.960 identitarians. You've been using that word a lot. And yeah, the identitarian of the, of Europe

00:52:46.420 is wildly misunderstood in, in my, in my view. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There are those who are,

00:52:54.580 you know, Nazi nationalists, blah, blah, blah. But, and it's happening here in America. And it's one of

00:53:00.160 the reasons I think Donald Trump won, not for the Nazi reason that they keep putting out, but maybe

00:53:05.600 in one way, because of the Nazi thing, if you believe in your country, if you believe that,

00:53:12.260 you know, this is a good place, you're demonized over in Sweden. You're, you're a racist. If you,

00:53:18.880 if you won't fly the EU flag and you want to fly the Swedish flag, that makes people automatically

00:53:24.940 push back and go, you know what? My, my identity is important too. I don't think, I think, uh, so let me

00:53:33.460 clarify for those that might understand identitarian is identity based government, right? So identity

00:53:38.280 meaning in this instance, your race or the races of individuals. So in Europe, you have these groups

00:53:44.340 that are concerned about mass migration and the displacement of the indigenous population.

00:53:49.000 It's actually interesting. They call themselves indigenous rights activists because white people

00:53:53.060 in France are the indigenous population. Uh, in the U S I don't think, um, just based on the people I've

00:53:58.960 talked to that white identitarianism was a major factor to Trump's victory. So I'm not talking about,

00:54:05.100 I'm not talking about white, um, nationalism. What I'm talking about are, is this feeling,

00:54:12.140 and it's always connected to white nationalism. Okay. Um, by the press and by people who are,

00:54:18.580 I think being insincere or just not well-read the, the idea that my culture, I don't care what color you

00:54:26.440 are. My culture is important, not to the expense of other cultures. I don't mind, come in and bring

00:54:34.080 the best of yours and let's blend in, but it's underneath the umbrella of America. Yes. Yeah.

00:54:40.900 And it's, and what the problem is, is that people are now saying, no, all cultures are equally great.

00:54:47.580 Well, you know what? There's been some bad cultures that have happened and I don't care what color it is. 1.00

00:54:53.020 Hey, what do you think about the culture of the, of Germany in 1930s and forties? It sucked. Okay.

00:54:59.560 So, so everything is not equal. There may be some great aspects of it. There might be things that

00:55:06.000 you're proud of, but why can't, why do I have to celebrate this and this is torn down? And that's,

00:55:13.220 that's the problem. That's the rub that I think people are feeling. And the, in many politicians,

00:55:19.660 many groups, uh, and especially the media are exploiting it or they just don't understand what

00:55:27.260 this problem is. Well, first I'll clarify that's not identitarianism, right? So identitarianism is,

00:55:31.640 is usually about what your identity is, things you can't control, you know, be it male, female,

00:55:35.480 white, that just valuing American culture, altruism. I don't know what you want to call it.

00:55:40.720 Right. But what is happening and you probably will, I mean, please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

00:55:46.320 And what's happening in, for instance, Brexit, I think there are some people that are part of

00:55:53.420 Brexit that are white identitarian. Totally. Okay. But there are also people who are so beaten up

00:56:01.440 and see what's happening to their country and see what's going on. And no one is recognizing them.

00:56:07.360 Right. The power is putting them into this group that they just say, you know what? Nobody is freaking

00:56:13.640 talking about me. Nobody's helping me. Exactly. At least these guys, you know, are not calling me

00:56:20.220 names and I don't like what they stand for, but they're being pushed into that corner.

00:56:24.920 This is why I think, I do think that at current course, the way the left and, you know, look,

00:56:31.240 the left in this country has gone so far off the path and it's not my opinion. It's the New York

00:56:35.840 Times data. It's Quartz. It's Pew. It's Gallup. It's The Economist. I've got the charts. I show

00:56:40.600 them all the time. The media feels safe for whatever reason with this fringe far left identity

00:56:46.600 based world. I don't understand. You know what? And that's why the center and the right are kind

00:56:51.780 of, you know, more aligned. And the left is the media just thinks it's a safe. They've always felt

00:56:55.960 it safe. I have no idea. But what do you think happens when you have Sarah Jung? Do you know who

00:57:01.240 she is? She's the, she was on Twitter for three years. Oh yeah. Yeah. Anti-white racist 0.99

00:57:05.420 posts. Yes. New York Times hires her. It gives her a prominent position. The alt-right responded

00:57:10.900 by saying, bless the New York Times. I wish we had a thousand more Sarah Johns. They didn't

00:57:15.360 hate it. They loved it. They wanted that because they know the kind of things she was putting 0.94

00:57:20.080 out will force white people to join the, well, they're hoping white people will then come 0.94

00:57:24.780 to the alt-right because. Well, if the alt-right is, the media is already saying that the,

00:57:32.700 the right, Trump supporters are part of the alt-right. They are not. It is a big, there

00:57:39.360 are some people in the alt-right that support Donald Trump. Yep. But there are very few people

00:57:44.060 that support Donald Trump that support the alt-right if they know what it is. But because

00:57:48.440 the media says you're all alt-right. Yep. A lot of people just go, well, I guess it can't

00:57:54.540 be that bad. I'm part of the alt-right. That's dangerous. Now that quote is going to get taken

00:57:58.580 out of context because you just said it. So I've actually talked to some young people who

00:58:05.340 told me they were, and I was just like, I, you know, I completely disagree where America

00:58:11.160 was not, it's not like, you know, look, it's not a European nation. White people didn't come 0.98

00:58:16.280 from here. We came to here and there are other people that were here too. And they're like,

00:58:19.380 oh no, I don't care about race. And I'm like, wait, what? Do you know what alt-right means?

00:58:23.460 Literally it's like neo-confederate white nationalism. And they were like, oh,

00:58:28.380 all they ever saw was people they thought were funny being accused of being alt-right and assumed

00:58:32.940 alt-right meant like. When Ben Shapiro is alt-right. Oh my God. You know, sign me up, I guess.

00:58:41.420 That's not what it is. But, but you've got, you know what I think? I think a lot of people

00:58:45.600 on the left are so far left, they look to the right and they actually, I'll put it this way.

00:58:53.560 One of the things I describe is this event that happened in Boston where you had the right and

00:58:58.360 the left on one side on the right, you had a guy waving a Confederate flag on the other side,

00:59:03.460 you had a guy waving a Soviet flag. So I was talking to one of the organizers of the protest

00:59:07.940 and I said, you know, I'm sure they would welcome you over there for conversation. And he was like,

00:59:12.660 are you kidding? Look, they're flying a Confederate flag. And I said, oh, that's one guy though.

00:59:16.400 And they're like, yeah, but they're, he's there with them. They support him. And I'm like, no,

00:59:20.360 it doesn't mean they support him. I'm like, you guys are flying a Soviet flag. And he goes,

00:59:23.420 no, we're not. And then I said, look behind you. He didn't realize the flag was behind him.

00:59:28.140 So here's what happens. On the right side, they look over the hill and they see the big Soviet flag

00:59:31.460 and they assume everybody over there must be a communist. They look over on the right,

00:59:34.520 see the Confederate flag. So I think that's, that's kind of a good way to explain what happens when the

00:59:38.200 left is so far left. They look to the right and the center, they can see the people in the center,

00:59:43.100 but then to the far right, they see the flags and assume it's one group. When actually we're far

00:59:46.780 away from each other, you know, they can't, they can't tell the difference.

00:59:49.360 Let me switch subjects. Cause I hate to have you here and not go deep on, um,

01:00:12.600 on tech. Um, China 2020, uh, is I think 1984. Oh man. And America 2020, 20, whenever I think is

01:00:30.960 brave new world. I think we're headed the same direction. And when Peter Thiel, who is not an

01:00:38.180 extremist says Google should be at least looked into for treason. Wow. I have, yeah. Wow. And I

01:00:48.520 have a hard time not saying, I don't know about treason. It's the, it's very specific on what that

01:00:55.580 is, but that's really dangerous what they're doing. You know, I kind of feel like China has a 0.70

01:01:02.580 very authoritarian system. You do what China needs like, but that's good for them in the long 0.98

01:01:08.220 run. While life may suffer for the individual, they, I think they're on track to just trounce

01:01:13.800 the United States in a worrisome way. We've allowed, I mean, first of all, I think we have no purpose.

01:01:19.960 The United States millennials, the reason why we're seeing all this fringe, ridiculous activism is 1.00

01:01:24.780 because no one is, there's no mission. You know, they did a survey of the UK and the United States

01:01:29.660 about what you want to be when you grow up. Americans and Brits said vloggers on YouTube.

01:01:35.340 Chinese said astronauts. People in China have a mission. They want to be great. They want to

01:01:39.720 succeed. They want to fly their flag. People in America, I just want people to look at them.

01:01:44.040 And so what happens? They go on Twitter and they say silly things. So that says to me, you know,

01:01:48.660 if young people today don't care about the strength of our community, why would we have one 20 years?

01:01:55.760 China will exist. It's going to be a crappy place to live in for sure. But they're going to have a 1.00

01:02:01.100 massive, they're going to have the commanding economy. They're going to have international

01:02:03.900 power. But as somebody who watches the tech world, um, it says something that Google will assist

01:02:12.580 China in some of the most, some of the worst things we've seen since, you know, fascism in the 1930s, 0.99

01:02:22.160 Pol Pot. I mean, they're, they're, they are brutal. 1.00

01:02:27.120 I think Google pulled out of the Dragonfly. There's like two things. There's Project Maven,

01:02:31.380 which was a government, I believe was like Chinese military in which they're like, oh,

01:02:34.860 we play a small role. Yeah. Right. If, if any at all, why should you? And this is really scary

01:02:40.640 actually. So, um, I believe they did pull out of Dragonfly, which was censored search,

01:02:44.880 but I'll tell you what's really scary is that Google starts in the United States built off the back of the

01:02:49.800 United States. They now, I believe they're headquartered in like Dublin, right? What do

01:02:54.000 you think happens if U S regular regulators come into Google and say, we want you to stop the

01:02:58.480 meddling. We want you to stop the search manipulation. Google can say, we make more

01:03:04.100 money in China. Screw you. And then they basically just do what China wants. What are we going to do? 0.83

01:03:09.820 Go to Ireland, stop them. We can't. So what's scary is the authoritarianism of China will force

01:03:15.660 Google to take action, but Google wants the benefit. So they'll bend the knee in the United

01:03:19.280 States. It just, it's an issue of which is more valuable to Google. Who is Google going to be

01:03:24.180 loyal to? If it's an international company at this point, that is scary. Absolutely terrifying.

01:03:28.860 Think about if, uh, you know, the conflict in the South China sea, which has been brewing for a long

01:03:32.980 time. And then China says, listen, Google, we war is bad, right? Why don't you start weighing

01:03:38.440 things down in the U S so U S interests. And then all of a sudden people in America are like, China's great.

01:03:42.800 We love China. You search for China. What do you see? It's all this really beautiful things about

01:03:47.340 China and Google saying it's better this way because war is bad. And then China's interests

01:03:52.160 supersede the United States. So, and that's not unrealistic. I think it's probably already

01:03:57.400 happened. I do too. I do too. Yeah. So, um, the China 2020, what I'm of, what I'm concerned about

01:04:05.960 is we're, we're just accepting it here. We're not even really standing up and saying, Hey, that's a,

01:04:15.320 that was an episode of the black mirror. Yeah. Um, and we're accepting it and it's growing bigger

01:04:21.460 and bigger. Do you see a time where the doors close, where, where these big corporations have

01:04:31.600 the power and there's just no turning back from it? Absolutely. And you know, the thing is a hundred

01:04:37.640 years ago, if the doors closed, somebody would come and knock those doors down. Can't, you can't

01:04:42.760 anymore. You know why? As I explained earlier with the algorithms, you won't even know the door is

01:04:47.340 closed, right? You're all you're going to see when you open your phone is lollipops and rainbows and

01:04:51.660 you're going to beg life is good and you're not going to realize it. So it is the matrix. Right,

01:04:56.460 right, right, right. It's, it's here's, I'll tell you what's scary about it. Right. At a certain

01:05:00.980 level, we can say, you know what, if we can avoid war, that's a good thing, right? Google has the

01:05:05.660 perspective. We should stop the bad speech and eventually there will be no bad speech. Well,

01:05:10.120 that sounds nice. Right. But here's the thing. As we learned from the YouTube story about Hitler and

01:05:15.460 the Hulk dancing, their algorithms aren't going to lead to what they want. Right. So the way,

01:05:19.960 the way I can actually explain it is YouTube thought their algorithm would lead people towards

01:05:25.140 funny sitcoms. That's what they had in their mind. They were like, what's a good show? Friends,

01:05:29.440 right? So let's tell the algorithm things like friends are good more than 10 minutes. People

01:05:34.080 watch more than 10 minutes. You know, it's got this amount of likes, this amount of views

01:05:37.200 and YouTube instead directed them towards an Indian guy singing into an eighties microphone of Hitler

01:05:42.100 dancing because it didn't know the difference. So they're doing this now. They think they're doing

01:05:47.040 the moral good and they're going to be working. It's going to be this big international thing where

01:05:51.120 it's like, actually, I believe what Jack Dorsey said was we're a global community.

01:05:55.140 They don't, they don't view themselves as catering to the American people.

01:05:58.240 I've talked to, I don't, for years I've talked to some of the people in Silicon Valley, really

01:06:03.980 deep thinkers that don't think the same way I do. Um, but they're fascinating to talk,

01:06:13.480 talk to because they see the world that is coming and they're designing the world that is coming.

01:06:18.900 They think they are. Yeah. They think they are. And they have said to me for years, um, Glenn,

01:06:24.640 you're, you're, you're, you're thinking old world. Um, the, we're entering a world where borders

01:06:33.180 won't matter. It's true though. It is, it is, but not in the way that we have ever felt of borders.

01:06:43.480 You know, the way we think of borders, they mean the, the corporations, uh, have no worry about

01:06:52.600 borders, uh, at all. And they, they are, it's a completely redesigned corporate entity.

01:07:01.680 The corporation will be, I mean, Facebook, if Facebook wanted to right now, they could be the

01:07:05.760 government. You'd never see, look, look, Elizabeth Warren came out and said she wants to break up big 1.00

01:07:10.940 tech, right? And then what happened almost right away, Facebook took her ads down and then brought

01:07:15.480 them back up later saying, oops, that was a mistake. Was it? Yeah, that's scary. YouTube, uh, I'm sorry,

01:07:20.920 Google and Facebook control nearly half, uh, or I believe they control the overwhelming majority of

01:07:26.220 maybe like, uh, I mean, each control around half of the digital ad market. They've just monopolized

01:07:30.200 the whole thing. Biggest ad agency in the world. Yep. So when it comes to the internet,

01:07:34.480 they can make you think whatever they want. You'll never hear a story again. And then, you know,

01:07:39.640 blows my mind is why these people in media just love it. Defend Google all day and night. You know,

01:07:45.420 it's crazy. Uh, a few weeks ago, a bunch of Trump supporters and conservatives had a protest in DC

01:07:51.600 called stop the bias. Something about, I don't know what it was about. All I know is they were saying

01:07:56.020 these big corporations are silencing speech. Antifa shut up to protest the American citizens

01:08:00.420 fighting for their rights against corporations. The far left came out to protest, not authoritarianism,

01:08:06.420 but American citizens complaining and demanding a redress of grievances. It's, it's like the, um,

01:08:13.000 uh, what is it? Uh, the, the internet rules that they tried to get past and, uh, Pajit changed from

01:08:20.420 the FCC. Oh, I don't know. But, but I'll, but I'll say this when it comes to the talk about like

01:08:25.560 China and, you know, 1984 and how the algorithms are manipulating us. Think about the kind of

01:08:30.540 content that these people, these Antifa people see all, all, all day, every day, World War II

01:08:35.100 imagery, talks of parallels between Trump and Nazism. Their Google is whether they're doing it on purpose 0.54

01:08:40.720 or not, are manufacturing people. Twitter is a great example. They create block lists. So you can

01:08:46.120 never see what I have to say. They only ever see the fringe far left and they are festering in this,

01:08:51.420 in this bubble where they just eventually get big and angry and then think they're morally just and

01:08:57.480 then act in defense of these massive corporations. What's the solution? I honestly have no idea. How

01:09:03.380 do you, how do you tell a company they're not allowed to have free enterprise? How do you tell

01:09:06.300 an individual they're not allowed to have free speech? Uh, I think perhaps there, uh, there was

01:09:12.480 one interesting option put forward. I can't remember which Senator did it. He's saying an algorithmic free

01:09:16.380 mandatory option for all social networks, meaning you can choose to see things as they are without

01:09:21.280 being manipulated. And then perhaps a guarantee of free speech on these platforms. Now the

01:09:28.080 conversation has to be had in a very particular way. We can't just say you have to have free speech,

01:09:32.020 but we can say publisher platform, right? This is important distinction because legally there is no

01:09:37.440 publisher or platform distinction. The law just says, you know, a digital service will not be deemed

01:09:43.540 the speaker of, uh, of, of something based on a third person, which is a really interesting

01:09:49.380 conundrum in the United States specifically in Australia. Um, I believe a man recently sued media

01:09:56.300 organizations because they posted to Facebook and then someone commented defamatory information on that

01:10:02.060 post. And he said, that was the media company's speech. And Australia said, you're right. It is

01:10:05.780 because they created the space for it. They were obligated to regulate it in the U S section two 30

01:10:11.220 protects them from this. But I ask if that's true, there's no distinction. Why can't, so you're

01:10:16.240 saying that the wall street journal can write, you know, Glenn Beck is an alien and make some ridiculous

01:10:20.920 false claim that he's a bigot racist. And here's proof. Make it all up. You can't sue him. You can,

01:10:26.320 of course, it's liable. You can, but, but hold on. Section two 30 says you can't, you'd have to sue

01:10:32.100 the individual author, not wall street journal. Right? Because the, they have an editor. And so they look at

01:10:41.160 everything before it goes. The law doesn't say that though. Pardon me? The section two 30 doesn't

01:10:45.440 clarify that. That's the thing. Legally, there's no distinction between platform publisher. So how

01:10:50.640 can we be at a point now where the law accidentally meant gave the New York times immunity? Right.

01:10:56.620 That doesn't make sense. Right. So there needs to be a clarification and, and I will make this point

01:11:00.960 stressing it too. When, when the left always says, you know, it's a private business. They can do what

01:11:05.660 they want. I say, that's wonderful. We create new regulations every day. End of story.

01:11:11.600 Sure. Today they can do whatever they want. I'm arguing they shouldn't be able to,

01:11:14.660 and now we should actually enforce something. Maybe what form regulation takes is a bigger

01:11:19.020 question. But the, the point is just because they can do it now doesn't mean they should be able to,

01:11:24.000 we need to either refine section two 30 to clarify. We need to pass laws restricting, you know,

01:11:29.280 the banning of speech based on arbitraries, you know, whatever. But, you know, I guess it is an

01:11:35.620 extremely complicated problem. It is the development of a new civic within our country that requires

01:11:40.700 the conversation and simply saying, do nothing. It's a private business. I think it's the wrong

01:11:44.580 approach. Where is the, where is the line where we are not going to know if free will exists?

01:11:55.660 You might be past it already. You know, uh, I'll tell you something creepy.

01:11:59.460 I watch on YouTube, anime videos like Dragon Ball Z and One Punch Man. And I don't watch politics

01:12:07.800 for the most part. Uh, even though I make political videos, I watch skateboarding and I watch cartoons

01:12:13.060 where people, Japanese people fight each other. And one day I got a video about people living in a van,

01:12:19.840 van life. And I thought that's weird. I've never watched anything having to do with living off the

01:12:25.480 grid or living in a van. I clicked it and I thought, wow, this is actually really interesting.

01:12:30.600 And then all of a sudden, all I I've been getting recently, every other video is van videos.

01:12:35.440 And I started thinking, why would, why would Google just send me this video? Now I'll be honest. I

01:12:40.180 ended up building a van. I now have a mobile production, you know, slash live shower in it.

01:12:44.720 So I thought it was a great idea, but something else happened. This woman, her name is like Janelle

01:12:50.440 Elena in, in a couple of weeks with only two videos has like 1.5 million subscribers on YouTube.

01:12:57.320 It's one of the fastest growing channels ever for the amount of content she put out, which is a nun. 0.99

01:13:00.940 And now a lot of people are saying they believe it's an industry plant. I'm not saying that's true.

01:13:06.160 At the very least, we can say though, whether on purpose or an accident, the algorithm is putting

01:13:11.000 in the minds of young people not to buy homes and to live in vans. And think about what that's

01:13:16.020 going to do to the housing market in 10 years when millennials are like, I'd rather live in a van. 1.00

01:13:18.880 It sounds fun. Nobody's right now. Millennials aren't buying homes. Can't afford it. 1.00

01:13:23.080 So what happens then when no one can sell a home, the market bottoms out, everyone's

01:13:27.960 investments destroyed. See, that's where people don't understand this. For instance, um, it's

01:13:35.360 my understanding that Amazon is really looking to the future of just being a shipping company,

01:13:40.980 a prediction and shipping company. Once they have enough in their algorithm to predict you 90%,

01:13:47.720 95% of the time they'll just start shipping stuff before you even want to order it and

01:13:52.800 it'll be there. And if you want it, you'll, you'll keep it and pay for it. If not, you'll

01:13:57.780 ship it back. But do I really want it or did they shape me with their ads that are, were

01:14:05.420 aligned directly to me?

01:14:07.060 Well, there are two, two things. First, there's a story of a father received, uh, uh, he picked

01:14:13.980 the mail up from his house and there was some, some coupons for his daughter for maternity

01:14:18.240 items. I got it. You know the story.

01:14:20.580 Yeah, but tell it anyway.

01:14:21.360 He got angry because he was like, why are they advertising to my young daughter? She'd be

01:14:24.540 a mother. And it turned out they actually knew she was already pregnant because of the

01:14:28.460 things she was looking at online, the things she was saying, they didn't mean anything by

01:14:32.060 it. They were like, Oh, she'll probably want this not realizing. But what's really scary

01:14:36.080 is, you know, a lot of people believe that Facebook spies on them because you'll be talking

01:14:40.860 about something and then you'll go on Facebook and see an ad for that very thing. And you're

01:14:44.400 thinking like they had to have been listening to me. It's actually, that's very naive.

01:14:48.220 The reality is scarier. Facebook can predict your behavior so well, they knew you were going

01:14:53.380 to talk about it. And this is true. There was an article that said YouTube, I'm sorry, Facebook

01:14:57.320 knows where you're going to eat lunch with a ridiculous accuracy. They know when you use the

01:15:01.980 bathroom, they can predict all of these things about you. And so they're not spying

01:15:06.040 on you. They don't need to. When you said to your dad or whatever, man, I'm really interested

01:15:09.740 in getting that Nutella caster I saw at the Guitar Center. And then also you see an ad

01:15:13.420 for it. It's because the behaviors before seemingly irrelevant. I like nachos. It's raining. Those

01:15:19.740 behaviors are associated with someone wanting to buy a guitar. Somehow, in some way we don't

01:15:23.540 understand, the AI does. So you think they're listening to you? No, they're predicting your

01:15:28.300 behavior. Now you combine that with shaping behavior. And it could be as simple as if we show

01:15:35.160 you the post about nachos, we know you'll vote for Obama or whoever, right? You might

01:15:39.800 not think seeing endless posts about Taco Bell will impact you in a certain way, so you'll

01:15:44.420 never question it. But they know those seemingly, you know, irrelevant things do guide your behavior.

01:15:52.260 You know, what's scary is how they can control the stock market. They can control, which they

01:15:56.080 can, you know, it's funny.

01:15:57.700 Well, AI is most, most of the stock market now is AI.

01:16:01.600 Right, right, right. But think of it this way. If they really wanted to Twitter, Google,

01:16:06.340 Facebook, whatever, combat global warming or whatever, they could snap their fingers and

01:16:10.740 you'd only see news, you'd only see comments, you'd only see opinions. They could easily

01:16:16.140 restrict or limit speech. They're doing it. On Twitter, you know, people are shadow banned.

01:16:21.000 On YouTube, I'm sorry, I always mix them. Google, you type in a search term, won't appear.

01:16:26.880 Right? So like one common thing right now is you go on Google, type in Ilhan Omar marriage,

01:16:31.260 nothing comes up. You go on DuckDuckGo, marriage fraud pops up first thing, because that's the

01:16:35.940 question people are asking. Google is manipulating what people can see and shaping our behaviors.

01:16:41.900 They call it the good censor. That's the document that was leaked and presented by Ted Cruz in

01:16:46.440 Congress. They know what they're doing. And what's scary is the example of, you know, Hitler and the 0.92

01:16:52.140 Hulk. They think they're guiding you in a direction that makes sense. They don't know.

01:16:56.760 And you're not proposing that you do know.

01:16:59.440 Oh, I don't.

01:17:00.080 You're just, yeah.

01:17:01.120 You know, it's really funny. People always say like, you know, YouTube's coming to get me.

01:17:05.300 I'm next. I'm going to get censored. And I'm like, listen, you got to understand YouTube.

01:17:09.540 YouTube, they could get rid of me at any moment. They've definitely de-ranked independent commentary,

01:17:15.400 but my channel is doing better than ever. So if their intention is to get rid of my voice,

01:17:19.900 I don't think so. Actually, I have a theory on this, which is kind of a sidestep.

01:17:23.720 The media calls me right wing. I'm clearly not, you know, centrist at the very least.

01:17:28.780 But a lot of, you know, I'm supporting Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang.

01:17:31.280 But you know what they want to happen? They want the wheel to shift over.

01:17:36.160 They want me to be conservative so that you, Glenn, are a fringe far-right extremist.

01:17:41.200 How do they shift the full opinions of everybody? How do they control that behavior? 0.75

01:17:45.260 They start telling everybody slowly Tim Pool's right wing. They prop up my YouTube channel

01:17:48.940 and then call it right wing. So it's the only thing people can see.

01:17:51.920 And then people get this view of a moderate liberal as conservative and it shifts the whole

01:17:55.820 wheel to the left. Wow. I'm not saying it's on purpose. It's an Overton window move.

01:18:00.240 Right. So right now I look at, like, Tucker Carlson. You know, he's conservative.

01:18:05.060 I'm definitely to the left of him and Ben Shapiro.

01:18:08.080 But Ben Shapiro won't use the proper pronouns for a trans person.

01:18:13.320 I actually do because I'm actually a liberal.

01:18:16.760 They'll now ban Ben Shapiro eventually. He's high profile, so they have to wait this one out.

01:18:20.520 But they're banning all the lower-tiered individuals who have less followers,

01:18:24.580 who have no protection and no chance of rectifying this for misgendering.

01:18:27.880 And they say, but you broke the rules of a private platform.

01:18:30.240 Once they're all gone, then they say, but Tim Pool is a conservative.

01:18:33.920 Now there's nothing to the right of me but the extremists who are banned.

01:18:37.240 And then the whole wheel shifts over one degree.

01:18:40.100 So why hasn't anyone done anything to at least build another platform?

01:18:53.520 Why is that?

01:18:54.640 They have, they have, they have.

01:18:55.200 Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:56.180 And I think it requires people to use them, right?

01:19:01.020 So I've, I used to have the Twitter logo in my video thumbnails on YouTube because I want people to follow me.

01:19:07.400 I now use the Minds logo, M-I-N-D-S.

01:19:11.640 Minds is kind of like Facebook, YouTube.

01:19:14.040 You can upload videos.

01:19:14.580 It's kind of like Facebook, but it's decentralized, encrypted, privacy, free speech.

01:19:18.340 You don't get banned for offensive content.

01:19:20.480 If you post egregiously offensive things that are like not safe for work, you get a not safe for work tag,

01:19:26.320 which means people have to turn the filter around to see it.

01:19:28.200 Not a big deal, right?

01:19:29.800 So they've got, I think, a couple million users.

01:19:32.640 I actually, I'm working with the CEO on a site, on a separate project, a news venture.

01:19:39.160 So it's, it's happening, right?

01:19:40.400 You've got BitChute, which is video hosting, which is doing pretty well. 0.94

01:19:44.780 And then you've, which is kind of like a YouTube alternative.

01:19:47.300 You've got Gab and Parlay, which are Twitter alternatives.

01:19:49.800 You have Minds.

01:19:50.960 So, you know, here's the thing.

01:19:52.600 And if, if Donald Trump right now signed up for Minds.com and then posted something related to Iran,

01:20:00.200 the media would be forced to cover it.

01:20:01.880 And that would, the market would just overnight, Twitter would lose a massive portion of its share.

01:20:06.740 Its stock would probably go down.

01:20:08.260 Right.

01:20:08.480 But they would also immediately be deemed by, by media and social media as a far right extreme platform.

01:20:17.380 They're already, they're already doing it.

01:20:18.320 And I think, you know, I, I, I, I'm not going to claim these people are doing it on purpose,

01:20:23.800 but I am, it is disconcerting that you have these journalists acting in defense of massive,

01:20:28.620 unaccountable corporations smearing small businesses, decently small businesses.

01:20:33.460 But here's the thing.

01:20:34.660 There's another network called the Fediverse, which stands for Federated Universe.

01:20:38.360 It's an open source protocol for social media.

01:20:41.920 You're familiar with Gab, I imagine, right?

01:20:43.620 Yeah.

01:20:44.020 Gab did something really brilliant and they overhauled their code and took the open source

01:20:48.680 code from a, from a group, uh, I don't want to call it a company, but an organization called

01:20:51.640 Mastodon.

01:20:53.020 Mastodon is pretty far left, right?

01:20:54.980 They have crazy rules.

01:20:55.940 They even banned Will Wheaton for being a transphobe.

01:20:58.680 And Will Wheaton is like, right, right.

01:21:00.620 We know Will Wheaton's kind of far left.

01:21:02.160 So Mastodon's code is open source.

01:21:04.560 Gab takes it.

01:21:05.920 Gab federates, meaning any browser that accesses this open source network can get you to Gab.

01:21:11.100 Can Google ban a browser because you can go to a bad website?

01:21:15.900 No.

01:21:16.760 So now Gab can't be banned or shut down ever.

01:21:19.180 So this is, this is a step in, in, uh, you know, the right direction, whether you like

01:21:23.400 Gab or not, it's not the point.

01:21:24.420 I'm not talking about the history of Gab, just the idea of unbannable networks.

01:21:28.640 What's really interesting about this Fediverse option is that you can make your own social media

01:21:33.880 site called glennbeck.com.

01:21:36.040 And you can tell people, follow me on the Fediverse, glenn at glennbeck.com, like email

01:21:40.800 or a website.

01:21:41.800 No one can ban you because it's your server hosting your speech.

01:21:45.480 The only thing that take you down is a court order.

01:21:47.580 So this is, this is an alternative to these massive networks and censorship.

01:21:51.440 What it's going to take though, high profile individuals using them.

01:21:54.620 So I've been promoting and using minds because it's like, I hate Facebook.

01:21:58.640 It's just for so many reasons.

01:22:00.020 But you know, the easiest path to changing it is if Trump right now, if Trump made a

01:22:06.560 post on any one of these platforms, be it Gab, Mines, Bitchute, whatever, the media would

01:22:10.540 have no choice but to show it front and center on every channel, on every website.

01:22:14.680 And then, you know, you know, Twitter was bleeding users for a while.

01:22:17.360 And then Trump came in, helped prop it back up because now there was a reason to be on

01:22:21.760 the platform.

01:22:22.540 They're still kind of losing users, but until high profile people say, I'm going to use

01:22:27.140 something else, well, they control everything, you know?

01:22:30.020 I want to switch gears and keep it focused on what we're facing in this election right

01:22:47.140 now.

01:22:47.900 For instance, I've been warning the audience of deep fakes for a long time.

01:22:54.420 Once, it's like people said in Germany, you know, in 1925, nobody knew what hyperinflation

01:23:03.660 was.

01:23:04.600 Or 1928.

01:23:06.080 By 29, that's all anyone was talking about, you know?

01:23:11.500 And I think it's going to be that way with the first deep fake, the first real deep fake.

01:23:16.620 I kind of, I kind of think deep fakes are going to be a really good thing for us.

01:23:20.820 And I, I, I, you know, sometimes the solution to problems are counterintuitive.

01:23:24.980 Hey, wait, wait, wait.

01:23:26.180 I think long term, you may be right.

01:23:29.120 And I want to hear your theory on that.

01:23:30.880 But I'm talking about the first real critical moment deep fake that everybody thinks is

01:23:38.460 real and could change an election or could start a war.

01:23:41.940 First one.

01:23:43.080 I think it'll be a good thing.

01:23:45.040 Do you?

01:23:45.360 Why?

01:23:45.980 So, I mean, look at Covington.

01:23:47.980 Remember that, you know, Covington, that wasn't, that was real footage.

01:23:51.540 Right.

01:23:52.020 And so because it was real footage, there was no fact checking to determine whether or not

01:23:55.560 what actually happened was real.

01:23:56.520 They said, of course, it's real.

01:23:57.460 We've seen the footage.

01:23:58.840 Now, what happens when a video comes out of Trump saying something nightmarish and dangerous?

01:24:03.180 And then in three or four days, it turns out to be completely fake.

01:24:06.560 We need something to get, I guess, I don't know if journalists will ever get back on track on

01:24:11.360 this one for whatever reason.

01:24:12.560 But we need to get to a point where people are less trusting of random videos they see

01:24:16.140 on the internet.

01:24:16.940 So once we get that first big deep fake and the media says, oh my, that's, that was fake?

01:24:21.280 Whoa.

01:24:21.840 And people might take a step back for every other video following that.

01:24:25.000 So we need, we need something to say legitimately stop believing everything you see.

01:24:30.800 Because, you know, you can take a video and it's so easy to strip out not just the context

01:24:35.460 of the sentence, but the cultural context surrounding the conversation.

01:24:39.480 So it's amazing what DARPA is trying to do right now.

01:24:45.540 DARPA is, I'm sure you know more than I do, working on deep fakes because they want to

01:24:50.800 be able to have this algorithm that can spot them and then mark them as deep fakes.

01:24:55.880 Well, that, what you're talking about is true.

01:25:00.760 I don't need, we don't need a little approved by marking.

01:25:05.260 We need to have people go back and say, wait a minute, does that make sense?

01:25:10.600 Where's the original source?

01:25:12.200 Give me more of that.

01:25:13.920 You know, because you're exactly right.

01:25:17.160 You don't have to fake someone saying it.

01:25:20.200 I've been taken out of context.

01:25:22.040 You've been taken out of context for over a decade.

01:25:26.060 I've been to have four decades of me.

01:25:29.320 It's just as damaging.

01:25:31.640 What's really interesting about context too, is it's not just the paragraph you said, right?

01:25:36.680 Like if you were to say something like, you know, George Washington is quoted as saying

01:25:40.840 in a sentence, they can take that sentence and then say, you said it.

01:25:43.340 But it's actually the cultural context too.

01:25:45.260 So in one instance, there was a particular news story the New York Times put out, specifically

01:25:50.320 the New York Times.

01:25:51.400 And then there was commentary on it from an internet figure.

01:25:54.280 I said, I don't trust the New York Times, you know, but I do trust so-and-so.

01:25:59.580 The cultural context was that that week, a story came out that was, you know, you know,

01:26:05.080 hard to believe.

01:26:06.320 And I wasn't saying I just don't trust the New York Times, period.

01:26:09.300 It was in that week we were talking about one issue.

01:26:11.160 And so it's not even, you know, so it's, it's true in that instance, I didn't trust

01:26:14.980 them, but people will take that and they use it.

01:26:17.660 Right.

01:26:18.780 Here's the thing.

01:26:19.820 Our society is extremely sensitive to whatever pops up on the internet at whatever moment.

01:26:25.160 You know, there's a story right now of Macy's canceling plates because one person complained.

01:26:29.880 Our businesses need to get to the point, corporations, marketing, and people to where they just say,

01:26:34.460 I don't care about your tweets.

01:26:35.580 I don't care about your video on the internet.

01:26:36.840 So that's what I, where I kind of wanted to go.

01:26:39.120 I was reading a book and I can't remember what it was.

01:26:41.720 I read it over the summer and it, it had a, it was about how the internet, how some people

01:26:50.660 not coordinated, just took someone by association and said, that person's bad.

01:26:58.320 So this person must be bad.

01:27:00.100 Every day.

01:27:00.660 Every day.

01:27:01.140 So this person was being destroyed and just a regular citizen.

01:27:04.960 So somebody in the tech world decided the way to fight this is to fight it with fire hose

01:27:10.660 of, of fire.

01:27:12.700 Just say everything about this person from the believable to the absolutely outrageous and

01:27:20.540 just make it, uh, through algorithms viral.

01:27:24.620 So it's everywhere.

01:27:26.020 And that way, nothing had meaning anymore.

01:27:30.820 Um, and, and in some ways I kind of feel like that's where we're headed.

01:27:34.640 Not necessarily that somebody is doing it, but because everybody's a racist, everybody's

01:27:40.440 whatever.

01:27:41.420 It's going to come to a place to where it's a little boy who cried wolf.

01:27:46.080 It's not going to mean anything anymore.

01:27:48.420 But you know what, what, what's worrying is I already feel that way as somebody who watches

01:27:53.660 a wide, you know, swath of different news from left to right.

01:27:56.500 Right.

01:27:56.980 But there are people on Twitter who, who purposefully block dissenting opinion and only follow people

01:28:02.300 on the left.

01:28:02.960 It's, it's, it's, it's, this is a uniquely left thing to do.

01:28:05.720 And so, you know, you'll see something like there's an interview I did with some alt-right

01:28:10.120 people and they prop that up as proof.

01:28:12.580 I'm secretly friends with these people.

01:28:14.160 I'm not.

01:28:14.480 I've done interviews with a former Soviet general with refugees, but you take one photograph

01:28:19.160 and then when you isolate yourself, these people lose their minds.

01:28:22.880 And so it's one of the reasons why I can't go on the ground and cover things the way I

01:28:26.800 used to.

01:28:27.220 And now I'm doing, you know, more political commentary and we're working on like documentary

01:28:30.920 stuff because big breaking news stories.

01:28:33.320 These people believe insane things about me because they're in isolated groups and you'll

01:28:37.920 have one or two people who know they're lying, but they don't care.

01:28:40.320 The ends justify the means by any means necessary.

01:28:42.800 And that's, that's the way they operate.

01:28:44.660 So Antifa again.

01:28:46.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:47.120 And it was, it's, it's kind of crazy, you know, in 2011, the first time I got attacked,

01:28:52.720 this may have been early 2012 by, uh, you know, black block anarchist type MSNBC had

01:28:57.760 me on and they said, wow, how could this have happened today?

01:29:01.180 Where are they at?

01:29:02.380 They're, they're tacitly supporting it, ignoring it at the very least.

01:29:06.320 And we're seeing high profile individuals prop them up and praise them.

01:29:09.080 Um, we just had, uh, the guardian did a piece, I believe recently on the John Brown gun club.

01:29:14.540 That guy who attacked the ice facility was a member of that, of that Antifa organization

01:29:18.000 and they're getting a piece praising them.

01:29:20.220 I mean, CNN even, uh, uh, it was, um, I can't remember the guy's name, but he has a show

01:29:25.500 on CNN and he was saying you can donate to them.

01:29:27.580 I could, I could be wrong about that, but this was before the attack.

01:29:30.500 Okay.

01:29:30.760 At the very least, I'm surprised that, could you imagine, you know, you're familiar with

01:29:34.780 the Oath Keepers?

01:29:35.840 Are you, could you imagine if CNN was like, everybody donate to the Oath Keepers?

01:29:39.400 Right.

01:29:39.520 Like that'd be, why?

01:29:40.700 Right.

01:29:41.380 But they're, but they do it with Antifa, you know, and how many, how many pieces did we

01:29:45.220 get?

01:29:45.660 There was a CNN piece said Antifa seeks peace, peace through violence.

01:29:49.960 Ah, that's a, that was, they changed the headline eventually, but they, they, they, you know

01:29:55.040 what?

01:29:55.220 They want to hate Trump so much.

01:29:56.980 They disagree with whatever he says, no matter what he says, even if they're going to be

01:30:00.900 wrong about it in the end, just because that's what they, I, for whatever reason, that's what

01:30:04.780 they're after.

01:30:05.460 And then they end up supporting extremists.

01:30:07.940 What do you quickly, cause I've got very little time.

01:30:13.720 What do you think of, uh, what's happening on the ground?

01:30:17.980 Are people waking up on both sides?

01:30:21.320 Normal people just waking up and going, I don't want any of this, or are they polarizing and

01:30:26.260 just polarizing?

01:30:27.620 I think a lot of people are, who are not conservative are moving to join conservatives.

01:30:33.580 Actually, vox.com said in the Andy No scenario, the narrative was divided by left and the center

01:30:39.160 and the right.

01:30:40.180 So here's what I see.

01:30:42.060 Conservatives and centrists and like moderates are pretty much still in agreement, but the

01:30:45.640 left has veered off in a ridiculous path and the data shows it.

01:30:48.600 It's the New York times, it's Gallup, Pew, uh, Axios, Quartz.

01:30:51.940 All of these polls are the same thing.

01:30:53.800 So not my opinion.

01:30:54.360 The left has gone far, far left.

01:30:56.980 And, and when media traces after them, they're, they're going nuts too.

01:31:00.160 But are those people who were kind of on the moderate left who are Democrats?

01:31:04.920 Are they peeling off or are they going with them?

01:31:07.380 I think they're going to the right.

01:31:08.720 A lot of them.

01:31:10.140 You know, my friends who are, you know, were Bernie supporters in 2016, count me out.

01:31:14.140 They're gone.

01:31:15.260 And then you have a lot of people who are now voted for Obama.

01:31:19.140 Now they're calling it walk away.

01:31:20.200 They're saying they're, they're, they're with Trump now.

01:31:22.320 Back in a minute.

01:31:23.060 Let me switch to, uh, A-I, A-G-I-A-S-I.

01:31:43.260 Um, Elon Musk, I think, isn't it?

01:31:46.800 What's your opinion on Elon Musk?

01:31:48.060 Um, I mean, there's a lot to criticize him for, I guess, but I think he's hilarious.

01:31:52.580 I do too.

01:31:53.180 Yeah.

01:31:53.580 He's kind of like, he's like a real version of Tony Stark.

01:31:57.180 That's living the life that a billionaire, you, if you were a billionaire, you'd like

01:32:00.720 to, I tweeted at him.

01:32:02.380 Yeah.

01:32:03.040 And jokingly, Hey, Elon Musk, why haven't you built yourself an Iron Man suit yet?

01:32:07.000 Right.

01:32:07.400 And he responded, working on Starship.

01:32:09.960 That's great.

01:32:10.900 That's great.

01:32:11.560 And it got, it went like decently viral and people were really excited that he were, you

01:32:15.720 know, he's, he's a funny guy.

01:32:17.000 He interacts, you know?

01:32:17.960 Yeah.

01:32:18.300 So, um, uh, he was talking about, uh, oh shoot, I can't, NeuralNet.

01:32:26.200 Yeah.

01:32:26.440 Neuralink.

01:32:26.880 Neuralink.

01:32:27.360 I was going to bring this up.

01:32:28.200 This is a potential solution.

01:32:29.280 Right.

01:32:29.900 Now.

01:32:30.540 Maybe.

01:32:31.040 This is what's amazing.

01:32:32.460 Maybe.

01:32:33.200 Maybe.

01:32:33.640 I've got, I've always got the catastrophe side for you.

01:32:36.000 So give me the hope side.

01:32:37.520 I'm gonna give you the cat catastrophe side.

01:32:39.100 Oh, I know that.

01:32:40.620 I'll give you both.

01:32:41.200 I'll give you both.

01:32:41.560 Um, my daughter is currently, she's gone through a year of testing, uh, to be able

01:32:47.200 to have the implants put into her brain, uh, Neuralink, uh, not for Neuralink.

01:32:52.760 I want to call Elon or write to Elon and say, uh, Hey, can, can she test?

01:32:59.740 Yeah.

01:33:00.060 Um, she's got the, uh, current technology, which his is going to be 10, 10,000 times more powerful.

01:33:09.200 Uh, but it carries with it great promises.

01:33:14.660 Oh yeah.

01:33:15.000 But also some really dark stuff.

01:33:18.660 Well, the, you know what I'm hoping for?

01:33:21.380 What?

01:33:22.000 Man, if you like VR, imagine if you could actually just link your brain to a computer and then

01:33:27.620 be in the matrix world.

01:33:29.140 Now the matrix is a scary movie, but what I mean is like, imagine that fake reality of

01:33:32.660 you get to be Superman.

01:33:33.860 I'm sure people would love to come home from work and just feel powerful for a few that's

01:33:36.580 flying around, shoot laser beams.

01:33:38.340 That sounds fun.

01:33:39.160 In reality, one of the hopeful things is that by being connected to the net, we won't be

01:33:44.420 overtaken by the net.

01:33:45.700 Correct.

01:33:45.900 Our, our, our brain computation will be in sync, but here's the, here's the, the more nightmare

01:33:49.540 scenario.

01:33:51.200 The first one is I go back to the Hitler dancing with Hulk thing. 0.83

01:33:55.100 Just because we hook our brains into that, who knows what our, imagine you think you're

01:33:59.160 going to, you're going to go into a VR world to be Superman.

01:34:01.240 And instead it's a nightmare trip of like talking, you know, hammers exploding and just weird

01:34:07.620 nonsense.

01:34:08.780 You ever watch Star Trek, you know, the Borg.

01:34:11.880 Yeah.

01:34:12.540 So I could be getting my, my lore wrong, but my understanding is the Borg started out like

01:34:16.820 humans, integrated themselves into technology and eventually it formed a hive mind where

01:34:22.120 they're no longer individuals.

01:34:23.540 That's exactly how I described it to a friend over the weekend.

01:34:27.120 It's a, it's a, it is eventually a hive mind.

01:34:31.540 Yep.

01:34:31.900 Uh, almost there already.

01:34:33.340 Yeah.

01:34:33.920 Twitter, you know, um, we're not integrated at the speed of light, the speed of electricity,

01:34:39.600 but we open up our phones and we look at that Twitter feed and we're connected to that network

01:34:44.220 immediately to see their thoughts and opinions.

01:34:45.980 Correct.

01:34:46.800 What happens when it's all instant to our brains and we can hear everything.

01:34:49.720 And when it's two directions, I mean, you want to talk about algorithms just nudging

01:34:56.140 you.

01:34:56.820 I mean, if you read Cass Sunstein's work on nudge.

01:35:00.160 That's dinosaur stuff.

01:35:03.380 It, you know, it sounds bad too, but I could maybe envision it being a good thing in some

01:35:08.100 ways.

01:35:08.760 You know, a lot of great, we'd be able to speak.

01:35:10.580 I mean, he, he talks about being able to affect, uh, language as far as, I mean, I could

01:35:16.580 go to, I could go visit, you know, Russia and speak Russian and understand it.

01:35:20.940 And it would, and it would somehow or another English, they'd be speaking Russian, but you'd

01:35:25.820 both hear the correct.

01:35:27.500 But I also think, you know, one of the biggest problems in politics is the inability to understand

01:35:31.780 the worldview of the other person.

01:35:33.400 What if we did, what if you were like, that's what you think?

01:35:36.840 And then they really, and so I'll, I'll put it in the, um, I guess like the beneficial

01:35:41.580 way to conservatives.

01:35:42.440 Imagine all the liberals are stupid and wrong.

01:35:44.180 And all of a sudden, one day their eyes were opened to the, to everything you knew.

01:35:48.680 Let me use your, let me use your Star Trek analogy.

01:35:51.280 Yeah.

01:35:52.600 Did you ever see the Vulcan mind meld work out poorly? 1.00

01:35:57.640 I mean, when he, yeah, I mean, he was, he was always like Vulcan mind meld and he would 0.98

01:36:02.960 come away with some great, right.

01:36:04.660 Oh, I understand death.

01:36:06.460 I understand.

01:36:07.140 Right.

01:36:07.280 Right.

01:36:07.660 Fear.

01:36:08.380 In, in reality, I think, you know, left, right, up, down, religious, a religious, whatever

01:36:13.280 will, will really understand the perspectives of people and everything.

01:36:16.400 If they can truly communicate more quickly.

01:36:18.540 And, and, you know, uh, when it comes to human speech, look, I've got 15 billion ideas

01:36:23.880 on my head and I can bring them out in this tiny little string.

01:36:26.540 That's really hard.

01:36:27.680 So, you know, it's, it's, I can tell a liberal, think of all those dumb conservatives

01:36:32.560 and all of a sudden they know everything, you know, that sounds great, doesn't it?

01:36:35.240 Cause then they'll, then, then they'll know you're right.

01:36:36.820 Right.

01:36:37.560 And you can say the same to conservatives in reality, everybody will learn from everybody

01:36:40.460 and maybe stop being at each other's throats.

01:36:42.480 Although admittedly, it's like, it's the far left and the fringe wackos.

01:36:46.400 Isn't it the same thing though with, um, I mean, I don't know where you stand on, uh,

01:36:51.340 on Libra, but right.

01:36:54.580 No way.

01:36:55.480 Isn't this, isn't this Libra for the brain who's controlling? 0.99

01:36:59.220 Exactly.

01:36:59.880 You know, if I, if, you know, Stephen Hawking was so misunderstood at the end of his life,

01:37:06.040 I believe he was absolutely right.

01:37:08.340 By 2050, there's a good chance that homo sapiens don't exist.

01:37:12.580 It doesn't mean man doesn't exist.

01:37:15.600 It means what we define as a homo sapien today does not exist because of stuff like this.

01:37:21.380 But if, if they can control, if they're controlling speech, Libra can say, oh, well, you're not,

01:37:30.740 you're, you're, you're no longer tolerable.

01:37:33.400 You're bad for the community.

01:37:35.000 Libra scary.

01:37:35.920 Libra scary.

01:37:36.700 First.

01:37:37.200 But isn't this the same though?

01:37:38.680 Also with the brain.

01:37:39.560 Absolutely.

01:37:39.960 Absolutely.

01:37:40.280 Just turn your, you're a monkey now.

01:37:41.780 That's why I think Neuralink is fun for video games and for you choosing what you connect to.

01:37:47.540 But this like constantly on system, it's kind of scary.

01:37:51.440 But so I'll tell you what Libra is terrifying.

01:37:54.300 MasterCard, depending on your source, there's a, it's disputed a bit between Patreon and MasterCard,

01:37:58.820 but Patreon says MasterCard reached out.

01:38:01.240 You said you have to, you have to ban this man, Robert Spencer.

01:38:03.800 I believe Robert Spencer's name.

01:38:04.960 He's an anti-jihad.

01:38:06.220 You know, you're familiar.

01:38:06.960 Oh yeah.

01:38:07.220 He used to advise presidents.

01:38:08.640 Right.

01:38:08.920 They said ban him.

01:38:09.700 And Patreon said, I'm sorry, MasterCard forced us to do it.

01:38:13.300 MasterCard, I think denied it, but so what happens when banking institutions can tell

01:38:17.580 you, you can't use this anymore.

01:38:19.420 Now it gets worse.

01:38:21.300 One of the things they're proposing with Libra is speeding up transactions by using

01:38:25.140 Libra.

01:38:25.500 So MasterCard, when MasterCard wants to send money from the United States, from their bank,

01:38:29.960 they transfer it through all these different, you know, systems and there's like regulation

01:38:33.180 attached to it.

01:38:33.900 With Libra, it's a finger snap.

01:38:35.760 It's just a quick currency through Facebook.

01:38:37.400 What happens when Facebook bans you for being an extremist?

01:38:39.820 Correct.

01:38:40.020 And then you take your MasterCard and you swipe it at a gas station and it says denied

01:38:43.760 and you call MasterCard.

01:38:44.980 They say, well, we use Libra to do exchanges and you're banned from Libra.

01:38:48.180 So look, we have no problem with you.

01:38:50.820 You can use MasterCard all you want.

01:38:52.880 Unfortunately, Libra is our intermediary and you're banned, so you can't use this card

01:38:56.280 anymore.

01:38:57.200 Now Facebook is in between everything you do and can choose to shut you down.

01:39:02.600 You're seeing this, you're seeing this already being pushed by state governments with Cuomo

01:39:08.980 saying to the financial center of the world saying, hey, by the way, we have to send in

01:39:17.380 our state regulators and we're not telling you how to do business, but we think some of

01:39:24.080 these guys who are making guns or selling guns are kind of suspicious.

01:39:28.560 So it will probably extend your examination every year.

01:39:33.360 Nobody wants that hassle.

01:39:34.900 Yep.

01:39:35.300 And so there he's saying, but you can avoid all that if you just don't do business.

01:39:39.540 Exactly.

01:39:39.960 And they are following that.

01:39:42.040 Yeah, it's authoritarianism.

01:39:44.840 It is.

01:39:45.440 It's tyranny.

01:39:45.980 But again, without the government's involvement.

01:39:49.940 Outsourcing the tyranny.

01:39:51.560 This is what I find really scary about big tech and especially whatever, you know, what's

01:39:57.560 really worrying to me are these people who defend Google and Twitter and Facebook.

01:40:01.180 I'm like, Elizabeth Warren is coming after them.

01:40:03.860 Don't you like Elizabeth Warren?

01:40:05.020 Like, for whatever reason, you know, so.

01:40:07.680 But but even I worry about that because of the history with FDR.

01:40:16.380 I mean, FDR wanted regulation.

01:40:18.860 So let's go to Ford and GM and and Chrysler and ask them how we should regulate.

01:40:27.480 Well, they put all of the small people out of business.

01:40:29.940 It bothers me that that Zuckerberg is saying, hey, we need regulation.

01:40:35.080 Well, who are we going to go to?

01:40:36.640 He's trying to write.

01:40:38.080 Right.

01:40:38.260 He's steering.

01:40:39.080 He wants to be the advisor.

01:40:40.320 One of the more terrifying things if we don't have A.I. is China. 1.00

01:40:46.160 So there was an interesting point made.

01:40:47.720 I think it was Sam Harris's podcast where something to the effect of the moment that

01:40:54.120 A.I. defeated, I think, Kasparov or whatever, the greatest chess player.

01:40:57.980 There was there will never be a chess player who can beat our best A.I., period.

01:41:01.140 What happens if China beats us to the race and then declares war?

01:41:04.600 They declare war because what is it?

01:41:07.100 What did Sun Tzu say?

01:41:08.580 Win before declaring war or something like that effect?

01:41:10.960 So if they have the A.I., they know our output.

01:41:13.940 They know the known knowns, the unknown unknowns, et cetera.

01:41:17.380 And then the A.I. says you have an 87 percent chance of victory.

01:41:20.340 Declare war and follow these steps.

01:41:21.820 And the U.S. can't counter that artificial intelligence.

01:41:25.240 China takes over the world. 1.00

01:41:26.640 You know.

01:41:26.780 Are you do you believe that we will get to a G.I.?

01:41:32.700 What is it?

01:41:33.320 What is it?

01:41:33.600 OK, so A.I. is artificial intelligence, which what we have.

01:41:36.860 What you're talking about is at least artificial general intelligence where, you know, Kasparov

01:41:43.080 was beaten by A.I., but it's very narrow.

01:41:46.660 It can only do that.

01:41:47.720 Exactly.

01:41:48.020 So A.G.I. is something that can look at all of it.

01:41:52.380 And A.S.I. is super intelligence.

01:41:55.580 Yeah.

01:41:56.060 OK.

01:41:56.440 Yeah, absolutely.

01:41:57.820 You know, one of the things that's really interesting I tell people is what makes humans

01:42:01.560 better than computers is that when you need to screw something into a piece of wood,

01:42:05.860 a screw, a screwdriver, we take it, we say the pointy end goes into the hole and then

01:42:10.720 we twist until it feels right.

01:42:12.660 We do very little calculations.

01:42:14.300 But but computers, when they do this, have to calculate literally every step.

01:42:18.200 So when the A.I. defeats Kasparov, it literally calculates is all of the calculates all of

01:42:23.560 these different outcomes, wasting time and energy.

01:42:26.680 If it had general intelligence, which I believe I could be in the right spaces, they could make

01:42:31.300 more assumptions and skip off the wasted time and energy and move faster and more quickly

01:42:35.380 and more directed.

01:42:37.160 So, well, when you add quantum computing, oh, then it's then then it's everything at once.

01:42:43.420 You know, it's really funny is a side note.

01:42:45.820 Are you familiar with Magic the Gathering?

01:42:48.040 No.

01:42:48.500 It's a strategy card game.

01:42:50.200 It's a fantasy strategy card game.

01:42:51.960 It's similar in Rome to like Dungeons and Dragons.

01:42:54.640 A.I. can't win because it's just got so many variables that the computer has to calculate

01:43:01.620 way too much, whereas a human with general intelligence ignores the wasted time and energy.

01:43:07.960 So the game works like this.

01:43:09.700 You have 60 cards in each deck.

01:43:10.860 You have a certain amount.

01:43:12.580 You can only have four of each individual card.

01:43:14.360 So the human thinks I'm playing against this opponent in a professional game.

01:43:17.820 I know the likelihood they'll use a certain card.

01:43:20.240 Why would they use this really bad card in their deck?

01:43:22.320 They wouldn't.

01:43:22.760 I'll ignore that.

01:43:23.340 The possibility doesn't exist to me.

01:43:24.920 It's very simple then for the human to go up against the human.

01:43:27.440 The computer has to calculate 13,000 different cards because it doesn't understand if someone

01:43:33.000 would or wouldn't use one because it doesn't have the general understanding, the context,

01:43:36.640 the game's meta.

01:43:39.220 It doesn't have enough input yet.

01:43:40.880 Right.

01:43:41.020 So for the time being, it's one of the most popular card games in the world, I think,

01:43:46.240 in terms of physical card games.

01:43:47.420 If a computer can't win that game, I'm not super concerned about Global Warfare because

01:43:51.320 that's infinitely more complicated.

01:43:53.020 Well, they've won Go, which is a Chinese game that they were...

01:43:58.500 This is what is concerning.

01:44:00.880 It's not that they can play those games.

01:44:02.920 It's when the Go Masters in China, when they did lose to the...

01:44:09.000 They thought that it was cheating because it was playing it in a way that no human had ever

01:44:17.220 seen.

01:44:17.620 So what we're dealing with is alien thinking.

01:44:21.840 It's like alien life.

01:44:23.940 We can't predict it.

01:44:25.240 We don't know what it's going to do because it's not going to think like us.

01:44:28.980 That's another thing I tell people.

01:44:30.340 They assume a lot of people, not the experts, obviously, but they assume a Terminator scenario

01:44:35.240 where the robots decide to destroy humans.

01:44:37.060 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:44:38.460 If...

01:44:39.100 You know what would happen before the Terminator?

01:44:41.300 The Matrix.

01:44:42.340 They wouldn't...

01:44:42.800 But you don't happen before the...

01:44:44.080 What would happen before the Matrix is a bunch of happy humans gleefully serving their

01:44:48.080 robot overlords, thinking ignorance is like not realizing it.

01:44:51.460 Like this is really great.

01:44:52.480 You know, Olgotron, the giant robot overlord, loves us and we please him, not realizing they've

01:44:58.560 been manipulated, our behaviors, you know, at this...

01:45:01.860 You know what?

01:45:02.260 I'll say this.

01:45:02.780 Isn't ignorance bliss, though?

01:45:03.740 Wouldn't it be great just to bow to your giant robot AI and not be aware at all that

01:45:09.040 you're a slave?

01:45:10.700 No.

01:45:10.760 That's the way people are now.

01:45:12.260 A lot of people.

01:45:12.840 In ways.

01:45:14.140 Yeah.

01:45:14.480 And...

01:45:14.820 It's being built.

01:45:15.520 It's not there, but it's being built.

01:45:16.940 And they are...

01:45:18.260 I remember in 19...

01:45:19.860 In the 1990s saying, there's no freaking way I'll ever give my fingerprints to the government.

01:45:26.380 Never.

01:45:26.640 Now you're like on my phone.

01:45:27.640 Beep.

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:28.280 Now I'm like my face.

01:45:30.080 Yep.

01:45:30.700 And in 2000, I was talking about facial recognition saying, this is really dangerous down the road.

01:45:38.060 I mean...

01:45:38.480 And now we're doing it.

01:45:39.420 Isn't...

01:45:39.820 Weren't social security numbers like shocking to people when they came out?

01:45:43.040 Like you want me...

01:45:43.520 You want the government to number me?

01:45:44.760 Correct.

01:45:45.160 Now we're like, we get a card when we're born.

01:45:47.280 It's normal.

01:45:48.260 You know, we're walking down that path towards the Borg, I guess.

01:45:53.200 Unless we blow ourselves up or something before that.

01:45:55.520 I actually think, you know, World War III type scenarios of like international nuclear war

01:46:00.180 is ridiculously unlikely due to the decaying nature of borders.

01:46:05.580 So what's really interesting about the idea of borders today is, you know, you mentioned

01:46:08.600 how they said there won't be any, you know, it's really...

01:46:10.980 Listen, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, if you went to Canada,

01:46:15.340 and did something to make money, you're in violation of your tourist visa.

01:46:19.860 Today, I make money through the internet.

01:46:22.100 When I go to Canada, Americans paying me.

01:46:25.140 Americans, you know, are the ones paying me, not Canadians.

01:46:27.660 So I can buy a house in whatever country I want and do the exact same work legally.

01:46:34.360 And it's really, really weird because it gets even weird.

01:46:36.560 I'll tell you this.

01:46:37.460 I have people in the UK who donate to me through like, you know, PayPal or whatever.

01:46:41.800 I just use Patreon.

01:46:42.400 I don't use Patreon anymore.

01:46:43.840 If I go to the UK and make a video about delicious, you know, UK beer or something,

01:46:49.780 and then I receive a donation from a British person, did I just violate a tourist visa?

01:46:54.080 A British citizen paid me in exchange for producing content.

01:46:56.960 But they paid an American company, which then relayed the money to me, right?

01:47:01.660 It's...

01:47:02.060 Things are starting to break down in terms of...

01:47:05.460 If we move off of a production-based economy for the most part,

01:47:09.060 anybody who does a job that involves information can live wherever they want and work.

01:47:12.900 You've got American companies that hire developers like digital coders and stuff in Romania.

01:47:18.820 And they can pay them because...

01:47:20.040 It's mainly because it's not...

01:47:24.000 You can't really pin down where...

01:47:27.540 Who you are, where you...

01:47:29.320 Not who you are, but...

01:47:30.540 Yeah.

01:47:31.560 Where that's supposed to go and how it works, right?

01:47:34.960 You know the theory of re-hypothecation.

01:47:37.400 Re-hypothecation is my signal, head to the mountain.

01:47:43.380 Whenever you read the word re-hypothecation in a news story, run for your life.

01:47:51.080 There's not enough gold for all the money that everybody has.

01:47:54.260 Oh, right, right.

01:47:54.760 You know, the banks have been, you know...

01:47:56.720 Well, it's all fiat.

01:47:57.780 It's all fake.

01:47:58.580 It's all fake.

01:47:58.900 It's all just...

01:48:00.020 It's actually backed by guns and oil, I guess.

01:48:01.880 Right.

01:48:02.280 So it's now...

01:48:03.140 So now when Germany demanded their money, their gold from the Fed, it took them five

01:48:10.300 years to give it, okay?

01:48:12.120 And the Fed was like, we're not going to do this for everyone.

01:48:15.240 Right, because there's not enough gold for everybody.

01:48:18.240 Right, right.

01:48:18.540 Okay.

01:48:19.500 You...

01:48:19.900 We printed more.

01:48:21.300 You did more than what you have in gold.

01:48:24.840 But this goes with all of it.

01:48:27.000 When you have the bundles, the tranches, if you will, of CDOs and mortgages and everything

01:48:33.040 else, I have a mortgage with Chase Manhattan, but Chase Manhattan has sold it to somebody

01:48:39.820 else, yet they're keeping that on their balance sheets as well as an asset.

01:48:45.320 Then this bank sells it to they.

01:48:47.760 They've got the asset.

01:48:49.540 So this bank owns the house.

01:48:51.780 This bank owns the house.

01:48:53.180 This bank owns the house.

01:48:54.880 And you own the house.

01:48:56.620 Yep.

01:48:57.000 Who owns the house?

01:48:59.440 Rehypothecation is, uh, crap.

01:49:02.820 We have to figure this out.

01:49:04.100 There's no figuring that out.

01:49:05.300 No, I don't think so.

01:49:06.000 I think, like, uh, it's an ever-exploitable system where people are going to figure out

01:49:12.340 how to sell one thing over another.

01:49:14.520 And, um, it's, I, I, I, this is probably derailing, but it reminds me of what, uh, these

01:49:20.920 media companies were doing with what's called a traffic assignment, where without naming any

01:49:26.620 companies to avoid litigation, uh, some very prominent high profile media companies would

01:49:31.740 buy the assignment of viewership from a clickbait website.

01:49:36.820 So you had, you know, um, oh my God, there was one that was called like luckyfarmer.com.

01:49:42.120 I kid you not, like some ridiculous name.

01:49:43.540 Uh, and they would put up those, the, those articles where it's like 25 celebrities who

01:49:48.280 look crazy.

01:49:48.800 Uh, and every time you want to see a new photo, it's a new page.

01:49:51.540 They're farming those clicks.

01:49:53.400 Then they sell the assignment to a major network who then claims we got a billion views this

01:49:58.220 month.

01:49:58.700 And they go to advertisers and say, we got a billion views.

01:50:00.800 Don't you want to buy ads with us when they only had a million?

01:50:03.360 So it's the, the, the media economy was being built on fake numbers and a manipulation.

01:50:09.520 And, you know, I was reminded of this just because when you're talking about all these different

01:50:13.260 banks owning different things, what I see are different companies trying to figure out how they

01:50:16.420 can sell something again, is this valuable to you?

01:50:19.220 So the clickbait website already made money off that view.

01:50:22.740 Now they can claim the view is part of a network.

01:50:25.940 And now the bigger company can say our network got X views and your ads will sell against those.

01:50:31.060 So they're like selling ads twice.

01:50:32.620 It's just ridiculous.

01:50:34.040 And that's another reason why these companies kind of started to fall apart because eventually

01:50:37.740 if someone pulls the pin on that one bank and then he says, okay, we got to ask the next bank,

01:50:43.380 we got to ask the next bank.

01:50:43.960 And then eventually it comes back to you, you know, and the few,

01:50:46.420 he was, um, all right, there's real quick, you've already, we have run a longer podcast

01:50:51.880 than ever, ever before.

01:50:54.360 Uh, and I talked to you for another two hours.

01:50:57.460 Um, uh, let me just do some real quick, uh, rapid fire 2030 more free, less free Americans,

01:51:10.420 less obliviously, less free.

01:51:12.340 Um, uh, uh, press, uh, better or worse 2025.

01:51:23.960 Ooh, that's a tough one.

01:51:25.360 Um, the, the, I think we're going to see, uh, the press is becoming more and more independent

01:51:30.220 personality based.

01:51:31.220 So I think it'll be not better or worse, just very different.

01:51:35.580 Who is president in 2021?

01:51:39.520 Trump.

01:51:40.760 You say that with such conviction.

01:51:43.120 I, uh, look, I'm not a fan of the guy.

01:51:46.860 That's fine.

01:51:47.580 He's done some things I think are good.

01:51:48.960 He's done, he's done, he's, his, his, his character, his foreign policy.

01:51:51.740 I'll be very critical of, yeah.

01:51:53.000 But if you think there's any charismatic Democrat today who's on that stage is going to beat

01:51:56.900 Trump, I, I'll take that bet any day of the week.

01:51:59.660 Thing that keeps you awake at night.

01:52:03.600 Oh man.

01:52:05.180 Nothing.

01:52:06.540 Nothing.

01:52:07.540 Yeah.

01:52:07.900 Thing on the horizon you most worry about.

01:52:09.880 Let me rephrase it.

01:52:11.220 Um, I'm little things really, you know, I, I'm.

01:52:17.080 So freedom of speech, the loss of free speech is not something that keeps you awake at night.

01:52:21.640 But it's constantly there saying, how can we figure this out?

01:52:24.880 How can we figure this out?

01:52:25.700 Well, I guess, you know, nothing keeps me awake at night because I'm very anarchistic

01:52:32.580 still in my personality.

01:52:33.640 I am ready to go live in the mountains with a dog and go hunting for food.

01:52:36.660 So it's like, yeah, you want to tear down your society, you know?

01:52:39.460 Um, but I, I do think big tech is the most pressing issue right now.

01:52:44.660 Um, thing that you're most excited about with tech thing that you think nobody is really

01:52:49.820 link virtual reality.

01:52:52.320 I'd, I'd love to fly around a Superman for, you know, punching bad guys and shooting laser

01:52:56.200 beams.

01:52:56.520 Wouldn't that sound, sound like fun, a good relaxing.

01:52:58.660 And you know, there's, there's a lot of other things that can do like downloading, like in

01:53:01.620 the matrix, downloading Kung Fu, becoming a master at like, think about, you know, I want

01:53:07.160 to learn how to play tennis.

01:53:08.200 So you just plug in and download tennis and all of a sudden you're champion.

01:53:12.440 You wouldn't be a champion because everybody would be good, you'd be good, right?

01:53:14.920 You'd be good, you'd be good, you'd be good.

01:53:16.620 Everybody, you wouldn't be that good because your muscles would still need to be, you know,

01:53:19.740 but you'd know a lot, you could learn faster.

01:53:22.400 That sounds exciting.

01:53:24.060 Last question.

01:53:24.780 Will you come back again?

01:53:25.840 Yeah, sure.

01:53:26.440 Yeah.

01:53:26.580 Great.

01:53:27.040 Great to talk to you.

01:53:27.860 Likewise.

01:53:28.240 Appreciate it.

01:53:28.600 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

01:53:40.000 so it can be discovered by other people.

01:53:41.640 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - August 24, 2019

Ep 48 ｜ Anarchists Don’t Wear Antifa Masks ｜ Tim Pool ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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