The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 49 ｜ The Far-Left Feminist Disowned by His Own ｜ Jamie Kilstein

00:00:00.000 About this time every year, our attention turns to the solemn anniversary of 9-11.

00:00:05.820 It's a moment when we all take time to reflect on those who gave their lives that day.

00:00:11.600 Seems weird for those of us who remember it, what we promised ourselves we would do.

00:00:16.360 Those who paid the ultimate sacrifice in the years to come, those who went to war,

00:00:22.120 how are we treating them? Defending our liberties in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:00:27.440 And now, here we are, 18 years later, we find ourselves seemingly in a state of permanent war.

00:00:32.760 We're warned that the Islamic State is poised to make a comeback.

00:00:35.460 We watch as the crescent of Iranian influence extends its long shadow.

00:00:39.340 And in Afghanistan, our leaders are now negotiating the terms of peace with the Taliban,

00:00:44.520 which I thought we had wiped out at one point.

00:00:46.720 Well, I want to tell you about a new film that is out, ties all of this together.

00:00:50.300 It's called Mosul. It is the story of the last battle of the Iraq war,

00:00:54.160 documenting the 2016-2017 fight against ISIS in Iraq's second largest city.

00:00:59.800 It's directed, actually, by a CIA officer, Danielle Gabrielle.

00:01:04.140 Mosul is the name of this film. It's much more than a war story.

00:01:07.360 It is a journey that will take you up the Tigris River,

00:01:09.900 right into the heart of darkness of the ISIS caliphate,

00:01:13.780 revealing an apocalyptic battle against two unyielding enemies,

00:01:17.800 the violent Islamic extremism, and the sectarian mistrust and hatred

00:01:22.240 that will remain long after all of the politicians declare victory.

00:01:25.940 It's available now on iTunes or Amazon, Vimeo.

00:01:29.280 Just visit www.mosul-film.com.

00:01:34.440 You know, at some point in our lives,

00:01:57.720 most of us hopefully learn the danger of acting like,

00:02:01.220 what, I'm fine, I don't have any problems.

00:02:02.980 If you don't learn that early,

00:02:05.520 and if you add politics into that lack of humility or self-reflection,

00:02:11.260 wow, you have a dangerous cocktail.

00:02:13.860 Today's guest has undergone quite a transformation,

00:02:17.680 and he had a huge slap in the face that woke him up.

00:02:21.440 One of the greatest lessons he learned is that

00:02:23.620 if you act like you don't have any problems,

00:02:25.680 and you use that attitude to further your own political ideas,

00:02:29.220 you're probably in for a reckoning.

00:02:31.480 He made his career calling people sexist.

00:02:35.120 Then hashtag MeToo-related accusations popped up against him

00:02:40.340 in an article on a feminist blog.

00:02:42.720 The blowback was really intense.

00:02:45.940 People took the joy he used to take in attacking other people, attacking him.

00:02:51.260 He had burned bridges.

00:02:53.620 Everybody turned against him.

00:02:56.020 This is on the left.

00:02:56.880 He had been banished from his own group,

00:03:00.240 even though those accusations weren't true.

00:03:02.600 He no longer had a tribe.

00:03:04.680 That's when he went,

00:03:06.240 wait a minute, maybe I've been part of the problem here.

00:03:09.240 In the aftermath, he's gotten back into comedy.

00:03:11.780 Last year, he started a podcast that has done really well.

00:03:15.260 His journey has had more bumps and twists than just what I'm telling you.

00:03:19.840 It is hardly the start of it.

00:03:22.260 I have a feeling Jamie Kilstein and I are going to be sitting down more than once

00:03:28.260 because I've got a lot of questions.

00:03:32.540 He is fascinating.

00:03:34.260 Next on Studio 19.

00:03:35.840 When I invite somebody at the studio,

00:03:52.780 and I learned this in the opposite way from Katie Couric.

00:03:58.480 When she first left the Today Show,

00:04:00.260 she went to Yahoo and she was doing some sort of a podcast.

00:04:06.700 And she approached me and she's like,

00:04:08.940 please.

00:04:09.440 And I'm like, I'm not doing any interviews.

00:04:10.920 And I know what all these interviews are like.

00:04:12.880 No, thank you.

00:04:13.820 She's like, no, no, no, it won't be that way.

00:04:15.300 I promise.

00:04:15.860 I really, I need a big get for the podcast.

00:04:18.920 And I said, no, because you're going to sandbag me.

00:04:20.680 And she's like, no, I won't.

00:04:21.760 I promise you.

00:04:22.440 I promise you, please.

00:04:23.380 I need this favor.

00:04:24.660 So I did it.

00:04:25.440 And she sandbagged me.

00:04:26.940 No.

00:04:28.040 Just so horrible.

00:04:29.380 Just such a horrible human being.

00:04:32.100 And when I invite somebody onto my show,

00:04:35.020 it's important that if I'm inviting you into my house,

00:04:39.020 I'm not going to sandbag you.

00:04:41.280 And so when we met a few minutes ago in the hallway,

00:04:44.180 I said, you know, hey, don't, don't worry.

00:04:48.780 You know, you're welcome here and there's no problem.

00:04:52.320 And you said something really strange.

00:04:55.880 You said, no, I'm more excited about doing this

00:04:58.780 than I've been for a long time.

00:05:00.140 I was like, why?

00:05:01.200 I didn't get nervous until you said, don't be nervous.

00:05:04.440 And I was like, ah, crap.

00:05:05.580 Do I look nervous?

00:05:06.640 Because I was like super stoked.

00:05:09.560 Because, I mean, for a couple of reasons.

00:05:12.100 One, I have dad issues and we used to fight.

00:05:18.960 Two, I think that I'm starting to,

00:05:23.200 there's been, it's been really hard

00:05:28.820 not to be calculated with my career.

00:05:31.140 And what I mean by that is

00:05:33.260 when I was sort of disowned from the far left

00:05:37.100 and I went from being rich to having no money,

00:05:42.900 like no money,

00:05:44.200 there's a path for that.

00:05:46.720 And the path for that is to go right wing

00:05:51.500 and to go, and not like this show,

00:05:55.840 but to do the opposite of what I was.

00:06:00.340 The people who wanted to talk to me

00:06:02.660 kind of had ulterior motives.

00:06:05.440 That still happens every once in a while.

00:06:07.260 Like I have really cool fans

00:06:08.880 from the left and the right.

00:06:11.020 Every once in a while,

00:06:12.040 you'll get the person who's like,

00:06:13.180 hey man, like a big fan of yours.

00:06:15.060 And you're like, oh, great, thanks.

00:06:16.040 And they're like, we got to get these whores.

00:06:17.680 And you're like, nope, nope.

00:06:18.600 Like you're not on my team.

00:06:20.160 I don't want this.

00:06:21.760 And you know, I had offered,

00:06:23.660 I remember I got an offer to,

00:06:25.280 to kind of write one of those books,

00:06:27.680 you know, about leaving the left.

00:06:29.920 And I know, and by the way,

00:06:31.940 when this happened,

00:06:32.360 I was living on a couch with my cat

00:06:34.240 at my friend's house

00:06:35.200 and literally holding my cat,

00:06:37.960 like crying, afraid I wouldn't be able to like

00:06:39.820 afford to keep my cat.

00:06:41.920 And if I wrote that book,

00:06:43.580 you know why I left the left

00:06:44.860 and the right is right.

00:06:45.860 I would get a check for like a billion dollars

00:06:48.500 and I'd be set.

00:06:50.360 And I don't think you'd be on this show.

00:06:51.980 I don't think I'd be on this show

00:06:52.900 and I wouldn't be happy

00:06:53.980 and it would read as disingenuous

00:06:55.540 and it would crash and burn.

00:06:57.460 I would become a different version

00:06:58.740 of who I was before.

00:07:00.900 And so I went,

00:07:02.800 I mean, I was depressed and suicidal

00:07:04.540 and I got out of that.

00:07:06.700 And I got off social media

00:07:08.140 and I started teaching jujitsu

00:07:09.680 for like a year in Los Angeles.

00:07:12.940 And for the first time in my life,

00:07:14.760 and I thought I would never go back to standup,

00:07:16.360 never go back to podcasting.

00:07:18.020 And for the first time in my life,

00:07:19.760 I felt like I was helping people

00:07:21.940 where I was teaching kids

00:07:25.160 and I was teaching adults

00:07:26.520 who were afraid to fight,

00:07:28.800 how to fight.

00:07:29.420 And I was watching them spar

00:07:30.540 and I realized that all of this time

00:07:33.720 I was screaming and yelling.

00:07:36.440 Online wasn't anything.

00:07:37.400 Like I've joked about this before,

00:07:38.460 but I was literally the person

00:07:39.820 where if like a girlfriend was like,

00:07:42.000 Jamie, your mom's on the phone,

00:07:42.980 I'd be like, tell her I can't talk.

00:07:44.400 I'm tweeting about feminism.

00:07:45.820 You know, like I was ignoring people

00:07:47.700 in my life to be self-righteous online.

00:07:49.980 And so I really think it was

00:07:51.740 because of that year of helping people.

00:07:54.120 And by the way,

00:07:54.600 I didn't know anyone's politics,

00:07:56.300 like jujitsu, MMA guys.

00:07:57.840 A lot of them are like apolitical,

00:07:59.580 like kind of conservative,

00:08:00.680 definitely more like alpha

00:08:02.420 than I'm used to being around.

00:08:04.780 And I actually found out

00:08:06.940 what it was like to talk to people

00:08:08.400 who I disagree with

00:08:09.440 and to help people in real life.

00:08:11.500 So to your question,

00:08:13.360 I will be called a thousand percent.

00:08:17.180 I will be called alt-right

00:08:18.200 for doing this show.

00:08:19.780 People are called alt-right

00:08:20.620 for doing Rogan's show

00:08:21.540 and he's very liberal.

00:08:23.780 I will be called-

00:08:24.540 Alt-right is an alternative

00:08:25.640 to the right.

00:08:27.380 Yeah.

00:08:27.680 It's not the right.

00:08:29.040 No.

00:08:29.460 They don't believe in the bill of rights.

00:08:31.320 Doesn't matter.

00:08:31.980 I will be called alt-right.

00:08:33.200 I'll be called a sellout.

00:08:34.480 People will say,

00:08:35.400 oh, he's going down this path

00:08:36.820 where, you know,

00:08:37.360 he was once he lost financial freedom

00:08:41.780 or once he lost his financial way

00:08:43.800 on the left,

00:08:44.320 he's going to the right.

00:08:45.200 I'm like,

00:08:45.480 I wish I did that

00:08:46.720 because I would have a lot more money

00:08:48.080 than I have right now.

00:08:49.200 It is not sexy

00:08:50.540 to pitch a podcast

00:08:52.240 to like my agent

00:08:54.120 in the time of Trump

00:08:55.160 about nuance and moderation

00:08:56.920 and having conversations

00:08:58.340 with people who disagree with you.

00:08:59.680 If I became

00:09:00.740 the right-wing version of Jamie

00:09:02.100 and was just screaming

00:09:03.540 about woke culture

00:09:04.420 all day on Twitter,

00:09:05.700 I would be making a lot of money.

00:09:07.720 If I went full right-wing

00:09:09.320 and ratted out

00:09:10.240 all the people on the left,

00:09:11.660 which there's plenty to say,

00:09:13.320 I would be making a lot of money,

00:09:14.920 but I'm desperately

00:09:15.680 trying to do the right thing.

00:09:16.980 So the reason I'm excited

00:09:18.360 about doing this,

00:09:20.200 even though I will be called

00:09:21.400 whatever I will be called,

00:09:23.260 is even as a liberal,

00:09:26.020 what do we accomplish

00:09:27.860 by just screaming at each other

00:09:29.960 and by just being

00:09:31.120 in our own echo chambers?

00:09:32.560 I'm legitimately,

00:09:34.060 I'm becoming a lot more moderate

00:09:36.000 on certain issues,

00:09:36.940 so I'm, I think,

00:09:38.780 intellectually curious

00:09:39.660 to talk to conservatives

00:09:40.640 who I think are intelligent

00:09:42.080 and learn things

00:09:43.220 that I don't know.

00:09:44.500 I think I'm going shooting

00:09:45.540 with someone who works here

00:09:46.760 after this.

00:09:48.420 Have you ever shot before?

00:09:49.240 No, of course not.

00:09:50.320 Oh, we gotta, I'm coming.

00:09:51.420 Oh, 100% coming.

00:09:52.280 I gotta go.

00:09:52.800 I've just been screaming

00:09:54.080 and yelling about guns,

00:09:56.420 and I'm like,

00:09:56.880 I've never shot a gun before.

00:09:59.720 Oh, it's fun.

00:10:00.500 Yeah, and I'm like,

00:10:01.280 if I'm gonna,

00:10:01.880 even if I'm gonna,

00:10:02.580 by the way,

00:10:03.400 criticize it,

00:10:04.380 then I should have done it,

00:10:05.940 and I should know

00:10:06.700 what I'm doing.

00:10:07.640 This is the thing

00:10:08.380 that I think conservatives

00:10:09.520 are starting to say now

00:10:11.140 in their own circles,

00:10:13.460 and I'm just so sick

00:10:16.340 and tired of the gun debate.

00:10:17.880 Yeah.

00:10:18.100 If you don't know

00:10:20.380 what a semi-automatic is,

00:10:22.720 if you don't know,

00:10:24.440 everything's a weapon of war.

00:10:26.900 A knife is a weapon of war.

00:10:28.040 If you don't know

00:10:29.200 what these things do

00:10:30.460 and how they work,

00:10:31.800 and I mean,

00:10:32.760 even just a basic understanding,

00:10:34.780 I can't have a conversation with you.

00:10:36.400 Well, and I wanna have,

00:10:37.620 I feel like there are probably,

00:10:39.720 if I were a gun owner,

00:10:40.820 if I were an NRA member,

00:10:42.380 and I saw all these mass shootings,

00:10:44.340 I, more than anybody,

00:10:45.920 would want regulation, right?

00:10:48.600 Or would want changes

00:10:49.980 or to talk about solutions.

00:10:51.960 Correct.

00:10:52.860 Because you're getting called

00:10:54.480 all these horrible things.

00:10:56.040 Yes, like you're,

00:10:57.140 like, happy about school shootings,

00:10:59.140 which has gotta be a nightmare.

00:11:00.160 NRA members,

00:11:01.040 I'm not talking about the leadership,

00:11:02.500 I'm talking about NRA members

00:11:03.800 that I know,

00:11:04.800 they are the most law and order

00:11:08.040 kind of people

00:11:08.820 because they get so pissed off

00:11:11.540 that they get the bad name,

00:11:13.620 and they're really responsible.

00:11:15.300 This was my hypothesis

00:11:16.300 on the podcast,

00:11:17.760 on my podcast,

00:11:18.440 and I'm glad I'm right,

00:11:20.860 where I just,

00:11:21.700 you know,

00:11:21.940 it was like me as like an MMA fighter,

00:11:23.860 whenever people would be like,

00:11:24.920 oh, it's a blood sport,

00:11:25.900 I'm like,

00:11:26.100 oh, you've never come to a gym

00:11:27.100 because it's the nicest people

00:11:28.400 in the world

00:11:28.900 who would never get into a bar fight,

00:11:30.740 who have no ego

00:11:31.580 because they're getting their ass kicked

00:11:32.700 every day.

00:11:34.240 They're wonderful people

00:11:35.640 who would step in

00:11:36.800 and help someone off the street

00:11:37.900 as opposed to these liberals

00:11:38.940 that would like run

00:11:39.600 in the other direction

00:11:40.180 and then, you know,

00:11:41.020 tweet about it.

00:11:43.160 And I,

00:11:43.840 so I just naturally assumed

00:11:45.680 that gun owners

00:11:47.260 would be the same way.

00:11:47.940 I would be livid.

00:11:48.900 It's like when you criticize America

00:11:51.040 and people go,

00:11:51.840 well, then get out.

00:11:52.500 You're not American.

00:11:53.300 It's like,

00:11:53.500 no, no, no, no, no.

00:11:54.140 I'll criticize America

00:11:55.160 because I love it.

00:11:57.380 I think that it's why

00:11:59.140 we're the most triggered

00:12:00.920 by our family, right?

00:12:02.360 Because we love our family.

00:12:04.060 I think it's important

00:12:05.420 to criticize the things

00:12:07.660 that you love,

00:12:09.100 but I think that.

00:12:10.760 It's important, however,

00:12:13.020 like you get triggered

00:12:14.760 with your family.

00:12:15.780 Yeah.

00:12:16.240 I get triggered with my family.

00:12:17.260 You've come after my family.

00:12:18.580 Wait a minute.

00:12:19.300 And I'm right in your face.

00:12:21.040 100%.

00:12:21.440 Even though,

00:12:23.920 if I would stop and go,

00:12:25.580 I might say,

00:12:26.880 yeah, you know,

00:12:28.380 you got a point on that.

00:12:29.360 Yeah.

00:12:29.600 Okay.

00:12:30.020 But we don't.

00:12:31.120 We jump to defend.

00:12:32.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:33.040 You're not allowed to hate my family.

00:12:34.980 Only I can hate my family.

00:12:36.580 I can hate my family.

00:12:36.600 Right.

00:12:37.040 And so it's,

00:12:38.040 it's what's happened is

00:12:39.100 we get to these,

00:12:40.220 we get to these cartoons

00:12:41.920 to where conservatives

00:12:43.760 are flag waving,

00:12:46.040 you know,

00:12:47.360 F-16,

00:12:48.800 you know,

00:12:49.260 flying firework show.

00:12:51.920 And that's what America is.

00:12:53.260 It's the old red,

00:12:54.080 white,

00:12:54.260 and blue.

00:12:54.680 That's what it is.

00:12:55.500 Yeah.

00:12:55.760 And then the left,

00:12:57.740 it just hates America.

00:12:59.920 They're communists.

00:13:01.280 Yep.

00:13:02.120 Well,

00:13:02.460 there are those people over here

00:13:04.440 like,

00:13:04.800 I'm going to blow them out of the water

00:13:06.100 right now.

00:13:06.780 Yep.

00:13:07.220 And there are those people

00:13:08.240 who genuinely hate America.

00:13:10.380 But then there's people like,

00:13:12.000 what's her name?

00:13:13.160 Tulsi Gabbard.

00:13:14.080 Yeah.

00:13:15.060 She's going to serve.

00:13:16.720 Yeah.

00:13:16.780 She's taking two weeks off.

00:13:18.760 Now,

00:13:18.980 I may disagree with her,

00:13:20.300 but she doesn't hate America.

00:13:22.500 No.

00:13:22.740 And what's so funny is

00:13:24.400 she's actually called out

00:13:26.160 Kamala Harris

00:13:27.920 and called out a lot of the candidates

00:13:29.400 on some of their more conservative policies.

00:13:33.520 And the left,

00:13:34.820 man,

00:13:35.960 the day after Twitter on the debates

00:13:37.380 when Tulsi was trending,

00:13:39.220 I was thrilled to watch her call out

00:13:43.360 a lot of the Democrats.

00:13:45.620 And all these mainstream liberals

00:13:47.440 were like,

00:13:48.200 she's an Assad apologist.

00:13:49.980 Like,

00:13:50.100 this has got to be Russian bots

00:13:51.440 who are making her trending.

00:13:52.840 And it's like,

00:13:53.680 Jesus,

00:13:53.980 can't we take some criticism

00:13:55.580 without saying this like Russian bots?

00:13:58.460 Hillary Clinton,

00:13:59.520 no matter,

00:14:00.060 like the rest of the stuff,

00:14:01.080 I'm,

00:14:01.940 I don't really listen to.

00:14:03.540 But regardless,

00:14:04.520 it's like,

00:14:05.240 she was the worst candidate ever.

00:14:07.140 She was a terrible candidate.

00:14:08.100 Horrible.

00:14:08.680 She was a terrible candidate.

00:14:09.700 And to be like,

00:14:10.180 it was Russia.

00:14:11.020 It's,

00:14:11.540 you know,

00:14:12.540 we talk about AA and recovery.

00:14:14.800 It's like,

00:14:15.240 if you are not going to take responsibility

00:14:16.800 for your actions,

00:14:18.140 you are never going to learn.

00:14:19.420 You are going to keep making the same mistakes

00:14:20.960 over and over and over again.

00:14:22.440 We should be thrilled to have someone like Tulsi

00:14:25.140 who has served,

00:14:26.460 who will call out candidates on their BS.

00:14:28.240 She is a 1995 or even 2000 version of a Democrat.

00:14:32.880 Yeah.

00:14:33.340 That is like the all-star.

00:14:35.260 Yeah.

00:14:35.600 She would have been the all-star.

00:14:37.900 Oh yeah.

00:14:38.340 Even,

00:14:38.920 maybe even 10 years ago.

00:14:40.900 She is now,

00:14:41.740 because she doesn't hate certain things,

00:14:45.640 because she won't crucify everything and everybody.

00:14:49.480 Yeah.

00:14:50.200 She won't be accepted by that core group

00:14:53.720 that is needed for the primary.

00:14:56.980 You know what I mean?

00:14:57.700 Yeah.

00:14:58.020 And one more thing I wanted to say about,

00:15:01.080 when we were talking about guns,

00:15:02.800 you said something that made me think of,

00:15:05.480 people have gotten very defensive,

00:15:08.780 understandably,

00:15:09.720 because of those caricatures,

00:15:10.980 right?

00:15:11.980 Every right-wing person is being called a Nazi,

00:15:14.840 which they are not.

00:15:15.860 Every left-wing person is being called a stone socialist,

00:15:18.160 which like,

00:15:18.520 kind of,

00:15:19.780 but like,

00:15:20.560 like,

00:15:21.060 I get it.

00:15:22.580 But,

00:15:22.980 but,

00:15:24.820 when,

00:15:25.720 I think because people get so defensive,

00:15:28.680 online,

00:15:29.340 they're always being attacked.

00:15:30.200 A lot of times they don't defend things that in their heart,

00:15:35.100 they feel like they should.

00:15:36.980 So what I mean by that is,

00:15:38.680 my friend Jason,

00:15:40.160 who works here,

00:15:41.400 he posted something really wonderful after the El Paso shooting,

00:15:46.340 about how we need to come together and we need to fix this.

00:15:49.980 I saw Republicans using the words white supremacy,

00:15:52.840 which I would have never assumed would happen.

00:15:55.460 And I saw,

00:15:56.980 most,

00:15:58.220 every Republican I followed talked about,

00:16:00.920 something with guns has to change.

00:16:03.240 And this dude is gun owner,

00:16:05.900 go shooting,

00:16:06.940 et cetera.

00:16:08.200 And I retweeted that.

00:16:09.820 And I said,

00:16:10.440 this is what we got to do.

00:16:11.260 I'm saying the same thing as someone from the left.

00:16:13.100 We got to come together and we got to figure this out without screaming at

00:16:15.800 each other.

00:16:17.180 And a bunch of my conservative followers,

00:16:19.920 a bunch of his conservative followers were saying some of the most

00:16:22.560 heartfelt things.

00:16:23.980 You know,

00:16:24.480 too many kids have died.

00:16:25.440 Stuff that I literally and naively would assume that the right wouldn't care

00:16:29.160 about,

00:16:29.360 that they just wanted their guns.

00:16:30.620 They just wanted their bunker of guns for when,

00:16:33.360 you know,

00:16:33.600 I literally just assumed that every,

00:16:35.460 but he was like,

00:16:36.380 they're going to come for my guns.

00:16:37.440 Like they all think they're like Steven Seagal from the movies,

00:16:39.820 but in real life,

00:16:40.500 they're like Steven Seagal in real life,

00:16:41.860 you know,

00:16:42.120 just like very sadly,

00:16:43.540 like come and get it.

00:16:44.400 And by the way,

00:16:46.180 the government would take your guns because they have tanks.

00:16:48.700 And,

00:16:49.140 and all these conservatives were being incredible.

00:16:52.420 I want to just correct that before I forget.

00:16:56.800 Al Qaeda,

00:16:58.060 ISIS,

00:16:58.600 everybody else,

00:16:59.840 they've done a pretty good job going against the United States of America.

00:17:03.180 I don't accept because that is what the second amendment was for.

00:17:08.700 You know,

00:17:08.880 it wasn't like,

00:17:09.680 I mean,

00:17:09.960 it wasn't like they're like,

00:17:11.220 what sport should we put into the second amendment?

00:17:13.920 Right.

00:17:14.140 How about hunting?

00:17:15.480 Right.

00:17:15.800 It was a fear of an out of control government.

00:17:20.960 And everybody says,

00:17:21.740 Oh,

00:17:21.860 you're going to fight with the tanks.

00:17:24.200 Well,

00:17:24.760 look at the guys who were living in the cave.

00:17:27.080 Right.

00:17:27.580 They kind of did it.

00:17:28.780 Right.

00:17:29.120 And you,

00:17:30.220 I don't ever want to get there,

00:17:32.360 but I don't understand the left when they say Donald Trump is a Nazi.

00:17:37.420 We're going to be a fascist country.

00:17:40.000 Quick.

00:17:40.660 Let's give him our guns.

00:17:42.040 That's interesting.

00:17:42.960 I've never heard.

00:17:43.580 I've never heard of put that way.

00:17:45.040 I don't get that.

00:17:45.640 Well,

00:17:46.020 but the.

00:17:48.580 That's what the second amendment is for.

00:17:50.800 But it's really interesting because when I believe it was under Reagan,

00:17:55.040 when a lot of gun legislation was happening was when the black Panthers were

00:18:00.800 showing up armed and you know,

00:18:05.600 killer Mike,

00:18:06.140 who's this amazing rapper and activist and he pisses off liberals a lot from run

00:18:12.060 the jewels.

00:18:12.700 He talks about,

00:18:13.560 he's like,

00:18:13.780 I don't want the black communities giving up their guns because of what's

00:18:16.720 happening.

00:18:18.060 The clan.

00:18:19.660 That was their deal.

00:18:21.040 Right.

00:18:21.500 They went from house to house for your protection.

00:18:24.160 Martin Luther King asked for a concealed carry permit.

00:18:28.240 His sheriff said,

00:18:29.680 for your own safety,

00:18:30.820 sir,

00:18:31.120 I don't think so.

00:18:31.960 Oh,

00:18:32.200 come on.

00:18:33.460 Oof.

00:18:33.980 Come on.

00:18:34.620 Oh,

00:18:35.000 well,

00:18:35.360 that I want to continue this conversation while we are at the range or

00:18:39.640 whatever you guys call it at the gun place.

00:18:42.740 I'm going to have to like,

00:18:45.480 just wear one of my jujitsu shirts just to be like,

00:18:47.520 I'm still a man when you see how scared I am with this kickback.

00:18:50.540 But what I was going to say is all the conservatives were saying really

00:18:53.980 heartfelt things and a bunch,

00:18:57.600 I don't want to say all of them,

00:18:58.680 but a bunch of liberals who commented were like,

00:19:02.240 oh,

00:19:02.340 you're falling for it.

00:19:03.600 You're falling into their trap.

00:19:05.100 Right.

00:19:06.140 And that was so disheartening to me because I'm like,

00:19:08.760 this is what you claim you want.

00:19:10.540 Here is a gun owner.

00:19:11.940 Here is a conservative.

00:19:13.340 Here's a family man saying,

00:19:14.800 I want to do something.

00:19:15.660 I'm a Republican saying,

00:19:16.580 I want to do something.

00:19:17.700 And if every time a Republican says,

00:19:20.460 I want to help,

00:19:21.140 or if every time a Democrat shows up to a conservative cause and says,

00:19:23.640 I want to help,

00:19:24.580 we just get shunned away.

00:19:27.760 Then nothing's going to happen.

00:19:29.140 So what I was going to say before is I think that people are so

00:19:31.920 defensive.

00:19:33.420 And because if the left is going to call every Republican,

00:19:36.980 a Nazi,

00:19:37.420 and then Donald Trump does something really heinous.

00:19:41.500 And,

00:19:42.000 and a conservative wants to tweet about it.

00:19:44.480 They're going to think about it.

00:19:45.980 They're going to like,

00:19:46.620 be like,

00:19:47.000 why would I do this?

00:19:48.680 If I'm just going to get called a Nazi anyway,

00:19:50.700 you know,

00:19:51.160 like I called,

00:19:52.220 I called every major press person.

00:19:55.440 I know Chuck Todd,

00:19:56.920 all of them.

00:19:57.500 Yeah.

00:19:58.040 After Trump won.

00:19:59.280 Yeah.

00:19:59.640 And I said,

00:20:00.400 do not make my mistake.

00:20:04.120 I made the mistake.

00:20:05.780 Do not go on Katie Couric show.

00:20:07.520 Yeah.

00:20:07.760 No,

00:20:08.140 I made the mistake of,

00:20:09.840 of not seeing what I was saying was actually dividing and,

00:20:17.320 and tearing apart.

00:20:18.680 I thought I had certitude.

00:20:21.180 Yeah.

00:20:21.400 I thought that I was right in there.

00:20:23.680 Well,

00:20:24.020 in some,

00:20:24.580 some things I was right in other things.

00:20:26.840 I wasn't.

00:20:27.600 Yeah.

00:20:27.880 Um,

00:20:28.440 but more importantly,

00:20:30.340 the way I said it and the way it was taken out of context,

00:20:35.180 then put into,

00:20:36.260 you know,

00:20:36.900 tweets,

00:20:37.340 it divided.

00:20:40.060 And I said,

00:20:40.720 don't,

00:20:41.180 you're going to be tempted to say everybody over there is a monster.

00:20:45.300 Right.

00:20:45.780 Don't do it.

00:20:47.220 None of them wanted to hear that advice because there's no money.

00:20:51.040 Well,

00:20:51.140 that's what I was going to say.

00:20:51.820 So they screwed up.

00:20:52.700 So I don't totally buy the narrative about the left wing media as someone who

00:20:58.180 was left of left.

00:20:59.600 I was always furious when they said MSNBC is like the right wing Fox because

00:21:04.060 MSNBC is still pretty moderate.

00:21:07.880 They're still owned by G there's like 15 hours of Joe Scarborough on that show

00:21:12.200 where I was just like,

00:21:14.420 you're just not going to compare it.

00:21:16.100 Bill Donahue was fired when the Iraq war was incredibly popular and he was

00:21:20.820 criticizing it.

00:21:21.620 Um,

00:21:22.140 that wouldn't have happened on Fox in the opposite way.

00:21:24.520 Um,

00:21:25.360 but when they say it's the liberal media or all fake news,

00:21:30.660 it's you hit it where they're profit driven.

00:21:34.280 They covered Trump more than they covered Bernie Sanders because they thought it

00:21:38.420 was hilarious and Trump would never win.

00:21:40.260 And it was very click baity.

00:21:41.740 And then when they realized they screwed up and now the nation is furious,

00:21:45.380 including a lot of conservatives that Trump won.

00:21:47.940 Now they're attacking Trump,

00:21:49.560 attacking Trump,

00:21:50.160 attacking Trump.

00:21:50.680 And it is only making it worse.

00:21:53.240 So much worse because it's making people,

00:21:55.240 like I said,

00:21:55.620 with social media,

00:21:56.300 just hunker down and be like,

00:21:57.400 we're going to defend our guy no matter what.

00:22:00.300 And if I got up every day and I had,

00:22:05.200 if the media was reversed,

00:22:07.000 I mean,

00:22:07.520 I think we can both agree that the media is lopsided.

00:22:10.640 Oh,

00:22:10.720 they're the worst.

00:22:11.240 Yeah.

00:22:11.420 Okay.

00:22:11.760 So,

00:22:12.360 um,

00:22:13.100 if,

00:22:14.100 if I had control of the media,

00:22:15.840 if Fox and,

00:22:16.980 you know,

00:22:17.760 Rush Limbaugh were the dominant voices in America and there were clones of them all

00:22:23.840 around and you were just in this little camp.

00:22:25.940 Sure.

00:22:26.140 And we were like,

00:22:27.160 you're a bunch of commies and we hate you and you're the problem.

00:22:31.820 You would be so defensive.

00:22:33.980 Yeah.

00:22:34.280 So defensive.

00:22:35.560 You would run to anyone who would stand by your side.

00:22:39.880 Well,

00:22:40.100 and so this happened.

00:22:41.120 Danger.

00:22:41.380 This happened to me where when,

00:22:43.600 when I was going down that road financially,

00:22:47.760 um,

00:22:48.800 of do I go right wing?

00:22:50.600 You know,

00:22:50.900 do I go like full conservative?

00:22:52.280 And like,

00:22:52.960 I had nights on that couch where I was like,

00:22:54.600 I'm going to watch Ben Shapiro videos.

00:22:55.900 I'm like,

00:22:56.100 no,

00:22:56.260 I'm still liberal.

00:22:57.220 Uh,

00:22:57.800 where I tried,

00:22:59.000 I really did try.

00:23:00.620 Um,

00:23:02.300 it,

00:23:02.600 it wasn't,

00:23:03.680 it really wasn't money.

00:23:06.060 A lot of it was conservatives were just being nice to me.

00:23:10.040 And I lost all my friends and I got divorced and I felt like a pariah and I was in Los Angeles.

00:23:20.420 I don't live there anymore.

00:23:21.580 I was in Los Angeles and I felt like if I walked into anywhere,

00:23:25.460 someone would hear some rumor about me or think something or everyone hated me.

00:23:29.340 And I was going crazy.

00:23:31.740 So when it was conservatives who were just being nice and we're like,

00:23:37.020 Hey man,

00:23:37.360 what happened to you was like weird.

00:23:38.620 Um,

00:23:39.420 and like conservative women were like reaching out to me and like stuff like that.

00:23:43.120 And a lot of eventually liberals did too.

00:23:46.620 Um,

00:23:47.260 but none of my old friends reached out to see if I was okay.

00:23:50.640 Um,

00:23:51.340 period.

00:23:51.900 How did that feel?

00:23:53.120 A whore.

00:23:53.960 I mean,

00:23:54.200 it was,

00:23:55.660 that was the worst part.

00:23:56.780 Cause like I've been,

00:23:58.360 I've been financially screwed before I dropped out of high school to start standup.

00:24:02.960 I lived in my car for two years,

00:24:04.300 just trying to get gigs.

00:24:05.420 Um,

00:24:06.700 I,

00:24:07.260 when I wasn't getting gigs over here,

00:24:09.600 I would fly overseas cause they liked political stuff more.

00:24:12.960 Um,

00:24:13.320 that's what like Hicks had to do like back in the day.

00:24:15.340 And I would fly over there and I'd make a bunch of money.

00:24:17.920 Come back.

00:24:18.560 I played the Sydney opera house with me and Christopher Hitchens.

00:24:22.880 And then I got back to New York the next week and couldn't get booked at like some crappy comedy club in New York.

00:24:28.100 Um,

00:24:28.880 so like I've hustled and I've struggled.

00:24:31.240 And,

00:24:31.740 um,

00:24:31.980 I was like,

00:24:32.380 if I have to go back there,

00:24:33.440 cool.

00:24:34.080 If I have to live in a studio apartment forever and teach kids jujitsu,

00:24:37.600 like at least like I'll respect myself.

00:24:39.700 Fine.

00:24:40.040 But that is what,

00:24:42.900 that's what hurt a lot.

00:24:45.660 I had,

00:24:46.120 um,

00:24:46.740 I remember when I first started to make it a guy who was my idol growing up,

00:24:52.620 just an idol.

00:24:53.320 And I,

00:24:54.080 I just,

00:24:55.500 this guy meant everything to me.

00:24:56.960 Noam Chomsky.

00:24:59.360 And,

00:25:00.020 uh,

00:25:00.960 he called me out of the blue one day.

00:25:02.540 Yeah.

00:25:03.260 Uh,

00:25:03.540 because he wanted to offer me congratulations on all my success.

00:25:07.200 And I was like,

00:25:08.480 I was like a eight year old kid.

00:25:10.260 All of a sudden I was just like,

00:25:11.800 Oh,

00:25:12.180 hello.

00:25:12.640 How are you?

00:25:13.460 And I,

00:25:13.800 I just was so,

00:25:15.040 cause he was just the guy growing up.

00:25:18.700 And I realized about two minutes in the phone call,

00:25:23.340 he was just trying to get money from me.

00:25:26.560 Ah,

00:25:27.460 and I was just destroyed.

00:25:31.780 And when you,

00:25:33.600 when you are,

00:25:34.680 when you're either on the up or the down,

00:25:37.780 the,

00:25:39.040 the,

00:25:39.460 the,

00:25:39.840 the,

00:25:40.240 the games that are played by the people you thought were better than that.

00:25:47.140 Yeah.

00:25:47.880 I,

00:25:48.380 uh,

00:25:49.560 that happened a little bit on my way up.

00:25:51.040 I had people who would,

00:25:53.060 who were,

00:25:53.520 who would just bully me at clubs or like talk trash online.

00:25:56.820 The second I would get something I would get on Conan or I would get,

00:25:59.820 I would just get an email with no like self-awareness at all.

00:26:03.220 Just straight up like,

00:26:04.000 Hey,

00:26:04.040 who books that?

00:26:04.680 And I'm like,

00:26:05.600 do you know,

00:26:06.040 you're terrible to me,

00:26:07.300 right?

00:26:07.480 Like you're a bad person.

00:26:09.300 Why are you doing this?

00:26:10.560 Um,

00:26:10.960 not even opening it up with like,

00:26:12.000 Hey,

00:26:12.100 I know this is bananas that I'm sending you.

00:26:14.280 Uh,

00:26:15.280 but then when I thought about it and in a weird way,

00:26:18.580 it kind of made it easier for me because when I thought about the people who

00:26:24.200 didn't reach out to me now,

00:26:27.040 look,

00:26:27.260 if I was accused of like something heinous or whatever,

00:26:30.340 um,

00:26:31.900 okay,

00:26:32.200 I get it.

00:26:33.000 But I mean,

00:26:33.780 I like publicly have talked about like suicide a lot and depression and

00:26:37.900 addiction,

00:26:38.280 and then I disappear for a year.

00:26:40.320 And so to have no one on the left reach out,

00:26:43.460 the only people that reached out to me,

00:26:45.100 Oh yeah.

00:26:46.300 The only people that reached out to me were comics.

00:26:47.960 And I had spent years.

00:26:49.780 I was on that part of the left where we would trash comics.

00:26:53.020 If they said something offensive,

00:26:54.260 if they said whatever.

00:26:55.660 And suddenly these comics that I abandoned,

00:26:59.200 I abandoned being a comedian for being a political lefty.

00:27:03.580 Um,

00:27:04.660 they were the ones who reached out.

00:27:05.800 Rogan reached out.

00:27:06.540 Doug Stanhope reached out like people who they were just like,

00:27:10.420 Hey,

00:27:10.540 I hope you're not dead.

00:27:11.360 I hope you're okay.

00:27:13.100 And it reminded me that comics while they're demonized and scrutinized so

00:27:17.780 much nowadays,

00:27:18.440 um,

00:27:19.880 they're misfits and they're sweet and they know what it's like to feel

00:27:23.620 broken.

00:27:24.040 Right.

00:27:24.360 And they reached out.

00:27:25.340 The ones who remember Lenny Bruce.

00:27:29.780 Yes.

00:27:30.420 Yeah.

00:27:30.620 But the ones who like you have gone awry and like,

00:27:36.360 you know what?

00:27:37.200 I'm going to virtue signal,

00:27:38.900 right?

00:27:39.020 Those guys are really dangerous.

00:27:41.960 Cause do,

00:27:42.560 do they not?

00:27:43.640 Well,

00:27:43.940 yeah.

00:27:44.500 So I'll tell you,

00:27:45.220 so my trajectory was kind of interesting where I started off.

00:27:49.200 So I idolized Lenny Bruce,

00:27:52.300 Bill Hicks,

00:27:52.740 George Carlin,

00:27:53.560 uh,

00:27:54.420 uh,

00:27:54.640 prior.

00:27:54.900 and,

00:27:56.120 uh,

00:27:56.440 none of them would,

00:27:58.740 uh,

00:27:59.260 be working today.

00:28:00.220 They would all like,

00:28:01.260 they would be in jail.

00:28:02.400 Uh,

00:28:02.980 and,

00:28:04.000 and what's crazy.

00:28:07.300 No,

00:28:07.840 they wouldn't be in jail.

00:28:09.320 They'd be in this cyber jail.

00:28:11.440 Oh yeah.

00:28:12.100 Yeah.

00:28:12.200 Yeah.

00:28:12.440 Yeah.

00:28:12.640 Yeah.

00:28:12.820 You know what I mean?

00:28:13.480 We've always been afraid of the government.

00:28:16.280 It's the mob.

00:28:17.740 That's what's,

00:28:18.620 it's just like,

00:28:19.300 well,

00:28:19.600 even like,

00:28:20.740 and I,

00:28:21.400 I,

00:28:21.660 I should not bring this up,

00:28:24.020 but it's a great example where like Louis CK,

00:28:28.380 let's not talk about if what he did.

00:28:30.700 There are prison sentences for people,

00:28:34.260 right?

00:28:34.800 And the left talks about that a lot.

00:28:36.400 The left talks about forgiveness.

00:28:37.460 The left talks about prison reform.

00:28:39.380 Um,

00:28:39.860 rightfully,

00:28:40.400 I think,

00:28:40.880 I think that,

00:28:41.720 uh,

00:28:41.900 our,

00:28:42.160 our prison system is also very broken,

00:28:43.840 but you question the motive.

00:28:46.280 If you really believe that if you can't forgive,

00:28:48.900 where they never want him to work at,

00:28:50.540 like he gets up at a comedy club and they want that place shut down.

00:28:54.160 And it's like,

00:28:54.740 do you want this guy with daughters just to,

00:28:57.980 he screwed up.

00:28:58.940 He apologized again.

00:29:00.880 I don't want to get into Silverman.

00:29:03.120 Yeah.

00:29:03.640 Right.

00:29:05.000 And Sarah Silverman,

00:29:05.900 by the way,

00:29:06.240 who also just got fired this week.

00:29:08.180 Right.

00:29:08.300 That's what I mean.

00:29:08.880 I thought you meant Sarah Silverman talked about how she was friends with

00:29:11.880 Louie and she Sarah Silverman who did a deal in blackface then comes

00:29:17.480 back a couple of years later and says,

00:29:19.520 wow,

00:29:19.920 that was really stupid.

00:29:21.040 But the thing in blackface was mocking people who were racist.

00:29:25.160 Of course.

00:29:25.480 Then she says,

00:29:26.440 I would,

00:29:27.000 I was mocking the racist thing,

00:29:29.140 but I shouldn't have done it in blackface.

00:29:31.300 And now years later,

00:29:33.320 this doesn't make any sense at all.

00:29:35.580 And that's the best comedy.

00:29:36.420 And that's the comedy we used to idolize for me.

00:29:39.920 I can say that I believed most of the things that I talked about.

00:29:43.840 Um,

00:29:44.840 when I was on the radical left,

00:29:46.400 the,

00:29:46.640 the one thing that I always felt gross was going after comedians because I

00:29:51.740 know that comedy comes from pain.

00:29:54.800 So whenever someone's like,

00:29:56.180 uh,

00:29:56.480 whenever I'm doing an interview and they're like,

00:29:58.620 uh,

00:29:58.920 so we,

00:29:59.380 the class clown,

00:30:00.100 I was like,

00:30:00.440 are you out of your mind?

00:30:01.260 Like the class clown,

00:30:02.120 like called me gay and beat the crap out of me.

00:30:03.820 Like I was not the class clown.

00:30:05.180 Like a lot of the comics were the nerdy,

00:30:06.980 quiet,

00:30:07.800 shy ones who would just write in notebooks.

00:30:10.940 And my first memory of when laughter affected me was when,

00:30:17.920 uh,

00:30:19.800 something terrible would happen to one of my parents.

00:30:21.960 Um,

00:30:22.300 there would be a relapse.

00:30:23.520 There would be a cop showing up at our door.

00:30:25.060 There would be a,

00:30:25.900 an ambulance,

00:30:26.660 whatever.

00:30:27.920 And me and my brothers would be upstairs and we were terrified and we

00:30:32.140 didn't know what to do.

00:30:32.920 And the second someone made a joke and it would always be offensive because

00:30:36.220 we have a family member being carted away in an ambulance.

00:30:39.200 Um,

00:30:39.780 everyone would start laughing.

00:30:40.800 And once you could laugh,

00:30:42.000 it took the power away from this really terrifying issue.

00:30:46.620 And then you could start to brainstorm and be like,

00:30:48.360 okay,

00:30:48.580 what do we do?

00:30:49.240 It would almost like snap you out of a trance.

00:30:51.180 And so whenever I talked about offensive things or whenever I talked

00:30:54.560 about edgier things,

00:30:56.080 it was never to offend people purposefully.

00:30:59.640 It was like,

00:31:00.260 let's dig really deep and see how far we can go.

00:31:03.000 And then let's talk about it.

00:31:04.140 And I think that's where comedy can be.

00:31:05.900 The most powerful.

00:31:07.040 Now there are comedians,

00:31:08.600 usually newer comedians who will see edgy comics,

00:31:12.280 who will see someone like Richard Pryor,

00:31:13.880 who is confessing to this horrible domestic situation he was in and this

00:31:18.300 drug addiction.

00:31:19.140 And as a new comic,

00:31:20.640 you go,

00:31:21.420 Oh,

00:31:21.600 so I just talk about like hidden women and doing smoking crack.

00:31:24.940 And it's like,

00:31:25.260 no,

00:31:25.400 no,

00:31:25.480 no,

00:31:25.600 no,

00:31:25.720 no.

00:31:26.260 Like he would do it with vulnerability with whatever.

00:31:29.940 Um,

00:31:30.860 and a lot of comedians,

00:31:31.940 they would rather hear a groan than silence because silence is the worst

00:31:35.620 thing.

00:31:36.140 So they'll just throw out like some rape joke or some whatever.

00:31:39.440 And that stuff,

00:31:40.560 not,

00:31:40.800 I'm not even offended just as a comic.

00:31:42.660 I don't like that,

00:31:43.520 but I felt like I had a phase where I was doing very well with standup.

00:31:49.720 It was like the year I was almost famous where I did Conan and the green room

00:31:54.160 and Robin Williams took me under his wing and I had managers and agents.

00:31:57.720 And then it kind of plateaued.

00:32:00.020 And as my comedy sort of plateaued,

00:32:01.960 cause again,

00:32:02.720 it was still like pretty edgy.

00:32:04.580 Um,

00:32:05.680 I was definitely the guy that a lot of industry would be like,

00:32:08.000 Hey,

00:32:08.080 we love what you do.

00:32:08.860 And you're like,

00:32:09.120 great.

00:32:09.360 Do you want to work with me?

00:32:09.920 And they're like,

00:32:10.120 Oh Jesus,

00:32:10.720 I would get fired.

00:32:11.380 Like,

00:32:11.620 no,

00:32:11.780 no,

00:32:11.880 no,

00:32:12.020 no,

00:32:12.160 no.

00:32:12.340 Like that was like every meeting I had.

00:32:15.020 Um,

00:32:15.380 but this podcast started to get more popular and on the left,

00:32:19.800 I was hilarious cause we're not really known for,

00:32:22.580 uh,

00:32:22.880 our humor.

00:32:24.180 Um,

00:32:24.660 and I was suddenly like the cool kid.

00:32:26.500 I was suddenly this high school dropout that was on MSNBC panels.

00:32:29.780 And,

00:32:30.500 um,

00:32:30.860 I had really intelligent,

00:32:32.420 smart fans who were using academic jargon.

00:32:35.880 I never heard before.

00:32:36.620 So I felt smart and I felt accepted and all this stuff.

00:32:39.560 And so the show just sort of started going less comedy more in that direction.

00:32:46.240 And so I,

00:32:48.040 I did become that,

00:32:50.360 but that's not the comic I am.

00:32:53.600 That's not who I started as.

00:32:55.120 Um,

00:32:55.780 it was just,

00:32:57.280 I was getting approval from those people.

00:32:58.940 And a lot of times,

00:33:00.160 I mean,

00:33:00.660 I think you've been there.

00:33:01.560 Like when you're getting approval and adulation and you suddenly feel like you're someone and

00:33:06.680 you're doing something,

00:33:07.560 uh,

00:33:08.260 it's powerful.

00:33:09.260 It's really powerful.

00:33:10.420 I think fame and fortune are battery acid to the soul.

00:33:15.900 Yeah.

00:33:16.260 I didn't even get the fortune part.

00:33:17.540 That's the worst part about it.

00:33:18.760 I wasn't even like,

00:33:19.980 Oh man,

00:33:20.240 I'm a salad in my pool.

00:33:21.360 I was still like in Brooklyn,

00:33:23.320 but it's,

00:33:25.480 it's because the minute,

00:33:27.680 the minute you want it.

00:33:31.560 Yeah.

00:33:32.040 The minute is the minute you're done.

00:33:35.760 You're headed in the wrong direction.

00:33:37.940 Right.

00:33:38.600 Wrong direction.

00:33:39.240 And that's what was happening to me.

00:33:40.440 It's funny.

00:33:41.060 It's,

00:33:41.480 you think you're above so much and then you look back and you're like,

00:33:44.940 God,

00:33:45.320 I was that cliche.

00:33:46.580 I was that cliche who was in a marriage that wasn't working.

00:33:49.940 So I just bought all this stuff.

00:33:51.420 And I said all these things because I was trying to project this image.

00:33:54.320 And you really,

00:33:56.460 it's like quicksand,

00:33:57.280 like you get stuck in it.

00:33:58.760 Um,

00:33:59.580 and you don't even really realize that you're just making it worse and worse.

00:34:03.680 Did you,

00:34:04.480 when you left Fox,

00:34:07.340 was there,

00:34:08.920 cause I feel like when you do rock bottom or when you do take a turn,

00:34:13.760 you can go in two directions.

00:34:15.620 You can get really bitter.

00:34:17.020 And I talked to people who have been in similar situations to me and they're

00:34:21.700 bitter and I'm not,

00:34:23.740 I would have died.

00:34:24.580 I wouldn't have made it.

00:34:25.700 Um,

00:34:26.020 if I was like my ex wife or these girls,

00:34:28.580 like,

00:34:29.080 like just gross to think about.

00:34:32.420 Maybe it would have helped me in some ways.

00:34:34.360 I don't care.

00:34:35.440 Um,

00:34:36.120 and then in a weird way,

00:34:38.660 I think rock bottom is what can subvert that battery acid test in the sense

00:34:43.840 that once you've hit that or once you've made a drastic change,

00:34:48.420 suddenly you do things for the right reasons.

00:34:51.380 And now I'm not trying to be rich.

00:34:55.160 I'm not trying to be famous.

00:34:56.420 I'm like,

00:34:56.800 I'm going to do what I do and hopefully I can make a living.

00:35:00.380 So when,

00:35:01.640 so when,

00:35:02.420 uh,

00:35:03.260 I hit rock bottom in the nineties,

00:35:04.920 um,

00:35:06.200 and very similar story to yours.

00:35:09.840 Okay.

00:35:10.380 Hit the,

00:35:11.000 hit the,

00:35:11.760 the bottom.

00:35:12.460 It took me about four years to dig myself out,

00:35:16.140 um,

00:35:16.660 and,

00:35:17.300 uh,

00:35:18.340 turn things around.

00:35:19.220 And then my second bottom was completely different.

00:35:23.820 Interesting.

00:35:24.820 I need to pay attention to this.

00:35:26.140 Yeah.

00:35:26.480 It was,

00:35:27.560 uh,

00:35:28.640 you,

00:35:29.040 you,

00:35:29.240 I don't think you're going to have a problem with it.

00:35:30.960 It was all right.

00:35:33.580 I'm not,

00:35:34.580 I'm going to be all I wanted back.

00:35:36.880 Yeah.

00:35:37.200 You know,

00:35:37.500 cause you lose everything.

00:35:38.540 Only thing I wanted back,

00:35:39.860 not money,

00:35:40.920 not fame,

00:35:41.380 nothing.

00:35:41.860 All I wanted was my integrity.

00:35:45.240 Yeah.

00:35:45.680 Cause I had blown my integrity.

00:35:47.360 Got it.

00:35:47.860 And so it's 95 and that's all I want.

00:35:50.560 I want to be able to look at somebody and say,

00:35:52.380 no,

00:35:52.660 I mean this and have them believe me.

00:35:55.140 Yeah.

00:35:55.440 You know what I mean?

00:35:56.400 Um,

00:35:57.420 so I worked so hard for that and really,

00:36:00.680 really tried to do the right thing.

00:36:03.160 Then a little arrogance because you have success.

00:36:05.600 Arrogance creeps in.

00:36:07.700 I was doing comedy on Fox,

00:36:12.660 deconstructing Fox and the,

00:36:16.060 the cable news network by making,

00:36:18.480 I was mocking a cable news show on a cable news show.

00:36:22.020 Um,

00:36:23.360 and,

00:36:23.980 uh,

00:36:24.960 and I knew I have to,

00:36:28.380 I have to perform and I'm a decent performer.

00:36:31.140 Yeah.

00:36:31.540 I have to perform to be able to get people to watch an hour on Woodrow Wilson.

00:36:36.500 Right.

00:36:36.920 So how can I make that really entertaining?

00:36:40.020 Right.

00:36:40.360 You know,

00:36:40.840 Oh,

00:36:41.160 I can throw a frog in a blender and I can do this and I can pour gasoline over

00:36:45.200 somebody and they'll write,

00:36:46.560 they'll watch it thinking that people will,

00:36:50.160 especially people in media would be smart enough to go,

00:36:53.400 wait,

00:36:53.580 wait,

00:36:53.740 wait,

00:36:54.020 take all that crap away.

00:36:55.640 Sure.

00:36:55.780 I hate him because he's this performer,

00:36:57.880 but what he said here,

00:36:59.800 here and here,

00:37:00.540 is there any truth there?

00:37:01.880 Right.

00:37:02.340 Cause if that's true,

00:37:03.520 that's a problem.

00:37:04.520 Yeah.

00:37:06.240 I thought people in the media would be more,

00:37:10.420 uh,

00:37:10.560 would be less disingenuous and they would be curious,

00:37:14.140 uh,

00:37:14.980 which was a problem.

00:37:17.060 Um,

00:37:17.680 and at the end I was,

00:37:20.360 you know,

00:37:20.820 sitting in my,

00:37:22.160 my Bloomberg building building apartment on the 56th floor,

00:37:25.780 looking at central park.

00:37:27.140 Yeah.

00:37:27.820 And I realized,

00:37:29.480 Oh my gosh,

00:37:30.080 I want this really bad.

00:37:31.940 Yeah.

00:37:32.560 Run for your life.

00:37:34.900 Yeah.

00:37:35.160 And so I was afraid of fame and fortune because I had a little bit of it early in

00:37:42.000 my life.

00:37:42.460 Yeah.

00:37:42.700 And once you want it,

00:37:44.620 it doesn't matter.

00:37:46.700 Your,

00:37:47.020 your good intent is gone.

00:37:49.580 Yeah.

00:37:50.120 I mean,

00:37:50.620 I think for me,

00:37:51.880 I've caught myself a couple of times.

00:37:54.140 I've caught myself where,

00:37:58.400 and you see this online a lot.

00:38:00.620 So there's,

00:38:01.580 there's the right,

00:38:02.400 there's the left.

00:38:03.140 And then there's the middle that I kind of align with,

00:38:06.280 like,

00:38:06.980 you know,

00:38:07.380 the sort of like Jordan Peterson,

00:38:09.940 IDW,

00:38:11.140 Dave Rubin,

00:38:11.700 whatever.

00:38:13.800 And I've had phases where I'm like,

00:38:18.140 well,

00:38:18.220 I'm just going to start retweeting all these like moderate dudes.

00:38:22.980 And I'm going to start like attacking who they're attacking.

00:38:25.560 And then I'm like,

00:38:25.940 Oh my,

00:38:26.200 I'm literally a moderate version of progressive Jamie.

00:38:29.340 And I'm like,

00:38:29.540 I don't want to do that.

00:38:30.380 And I've also caught myself.

00:38:32.000 If I do a right wing show and I got a bunch of followers and people are like,

00:38:35.620 Hey,

00:38:35.920 disagree with you,

00:38:36.800 but you know,

00:38:37.440 great job on the show or whatever.

00:38:39.900 Let's say I want to retweet something that I really liked that AOC said,

00:38:42.960 I'll be like,

00:38:43.380 maybe I shouldn't do this.

00:38:45.380 I've talked to friends of mine.

00:38:46.940 It's hard.

00:38:47.680 It's really hard.

00:38:48.460 And especially when,

00:38:49.760 you know,

00:38:50.380 like I'm in love.

00:38:52.080 I moved out of LA.

00:38:52.880 Like I never thought I was going to have kids.

00:38:54.760 Like we want to have a family.

00:38:56.120 And right now,

00:38:57.480 you know,

00:38:59.080 the money that I had would have been able to do that.

00:39:02.340 And I have to start again.

00:39:03.340 And you see people kind of going up who are just screaming and yelling on

00:39:09.100 Twitter.

00:39:09.320 And I know even now,

00:39:11.960 even I haven't started doing it.

00:39:15.460 I'm desperately trying not to,

00:39:17.160 but the times I've gotten the most like Patreon people from my podcast have

00:39:21.280 been when I,

00:39:22.300 and I haven't done this on purpose,

00:39:23.360 but like when that liberal left,

00:39:25.740 because he's like,

00:39:26.220 you talked about Clinton with Epstein.

00:39:28.880 I'm like,

00:39:29.100 of course I'm going to,

00:39:30.100 he left.

00:39:30.800 And so a bunch of people went,

00:39:31.780 screw that guy.

00:39:32.520 And they became members.

00:39:34.080 And when I saw that,

00:39:35.620 there's that part of you that goes,

00:39:37.160 Oh,

00:39:37.280 if I make like a bigger deal about this on Twitter,

00:39:39.500 I'll get more people.

00:39:40.860 We were just having this conversation.

00:39:44.040 My dad,

00:39:44.880 my,

00:39:45.600 my second bottom was even with good intentions,

00:39:51.560 you just screwed everything up.

00:39:54.500 Okay.

00:39:55.060 This is where I'm like,

00:39:56.080 and so I'm like,

00:39:57.040 Oh crap.

00:39:57.860 So I've spent the last five or six year,

00:39:59.720 eight years going,

00:40:00.960 okay,

00:40:01.180 so wait,

00:40:01.700 how do you navigate?

00:40:02.560 And every day,

00:40:04.540 every single day,

00:40:06.120 you know,

00:40:07.180 I've got hundreds of people relying on me,

00:40:10.540 keeping a job going,

00:40:12.940 you know,

00:40:13.420 all this closes down.

00:40:15.120 Right.

00:40:15.460 Um,

00:40:15.940 and,

00:40:17.200 uh,

00:40:18.180 every day I,

00:40:20.040 I'm smart.

00:40:21.140 I know how to make it work.

00:40:22.800 Right.

00:40:23.200 And you have this choice and you're like,

00:40:24.880 Oh man,

00:40:26.040 I,

00:40:26.340 I could do that.

00:40:27.520 but it just takes,

00:40:29.940 and very few people,

00:40:31.940 you know,

00:40:33.460 I came out so strongly against Donald Trump and I became,

00:40:37.360 I think,

00:40:38.800 bigoted and hateful because I,

00:40:40.700 I wasn't listening for people's pain.

00:40:43.940 Right.

00:40:44.460 When your friend does something just crazy and you're like,

00:40:48.380 wait,

00:40:49.200 Hey man,

00:40:49.840 wait,

00:40:50.380 what?

00:40:51.120 Okay.

00:40:51.300 If they're your friend,

00:40:53.220 you say to them,

00:40:54.440 what the hell's happening in your life?

00:40:57.020 Yes.

00:40:57.400 Okay.

00:40:58.260 I didn't do that to my audience.

00:40:59.720 Right.

00:41:00.080 I just said,

00:41:01.280 well,

00:41:01.420 are you out of your mind?

00:41:03.120 It's right.

00:41:03.860 Idiot.

00:41:04.180 Right.

00:41:04.400 So I made the same mistake again.

00:41:06.980 And I almost did that with this new show.

00:41:08.640 Like I could feel where every day I was like going after like the woke people.

00:41:13.200 That just happened to be the story I was talking about.

00:41:15.020 And I'm like,

00:41:15.420 this isn't it.

00:41:16.280 This isn't what I want.

00:41:17.520 It put it.

00:41:18.300 The society doesn't reward you for that.

00:41:21.020 Right.

00:41:21.460 You know,

00:41:21.760 if you and I,

00:41:22.960 we could even,

00:41:23.860 and I,

00:41:24.220 unfortunately I know these people,

00:41:26.520 you and I were a different edge.

00:41:28.080 So,

00:41:28.880 all right.

00:41:29.180 When the cameras go on,

00:41:30.660 we're going to talk about this.

00:41:31.760 Let's just battle it out.

00:41:32.900 Yeah.

00:41:33.100 That would be huge.

00:41:35.020 Oh,

00:41:35.160 we could do stadium tours.

00:41:36.560 Yes.

00:41:36.940 Yeah.

00:41:37.200 A hundred percent.

00:41:38.860 Penn Jillette and I,

00:41:39.860 we're good friends.

00:41:41.320 Yeah.

00:41:41.560 And he,

00:41:43.080 I was just with him in Vegas and he said,

00:41:44.840 we have got to tour.

00:41:46.400 He said,

00:41:46.840 I don't care if anybody comes.

00:41:48.120 He said,

00:41:48.360 I just love our back and forth dialogue.

00:41:50.920 And I said,

00:41:52.480 well,

00:41:52.760 I'd like to tour too,

00:41:54.080 but I got,

00:41:55.280 I'm busy making money.

00:41:56.640 Right.

00:41:56.880 You know,

00:41:57.520 so would anyone come?

00:42:00.340 And we both stood there and went,

00:42:02.560 I'm not,

00:42:03.100 I'm not sure because we're both able to disagree and go,

00:42:07.900 no,

00:42:08.040 wait a minute.

00:42:08.700 Right.

00:42:10.020 Explain that to me.

00:42:11.060 But I do think that people,

00:42:12.900 God,

00:42:13.160 I hope so.

00:42:13.700 Or else I'm doomed.

00:42:14.640 Cause I'm like,

00:42:15.060 you have a bunch of staff.

00:42:16.220 I'm like,

00:42:16.420 I have like a one bedroom apartment,

00:42:17.600 a girlfriend and a cat.

00:42:18.500 And I'm like teetering right now.

00:42:20.860 Like looking at those Patreon numbers every day where I,

00:42:24.420 I do think that when people ask me comedy advice,

00:42:28.220 uh,

00:42:29.220 or they say they want to start a podcast.

00:42:30.620 I go,

00:42:31.600 it's the easiest advice in the world,

00:42:33.740 but it's hard to take.

00:42:34.700 Or it's like,

00:42:34.980 you just have to be genuine.

00:42:36.180 If you can be talking like this and get up on stage and be talking the same way and not trying to be someone else,

00:42:43.160 you will be successful.

00:42:43.940 And it takes years.

00:42:45.540 You people.

00:42:46.760 It's so weird with comedy.

00:42:48.140 You could have the most respected intellectual whoever.

00:42:52.320 And that first open mic,

00:42:53.940 they are talking like Andrew Dice Clay.

00:42:55.900 Michelle Obama could do an open mic and she'd be like,

00:42:57.940 so I'm nailing my wife.

00:42:58.960 And you'd be like,

00:42:59.420 what Michelle,

00:43:00.120 what is happening?

00:43:00.860 Like,

00:43:01.060 it is so bizarre.

00:43:02.660 Um,

00:43:03.060 what happens with comedy,

00:43:03.940 but that's what I would do.

00:43:04.880 I would say for podcasting,

00:43:06.680 if Joe Rogan pitched his podcast to like an agent and was like,

00:43:10.320 yeah,

00:43:10.460 some days we'll have hunters,

00:43:11.740 maybe Alex Jones,

00:43:12.800 we'll have some UFC guys.

00:43:14.000 Then we'll have like Tulsi Gabbard.

00:43:15.560 Like people would be like that.

00:43:17.320 That's so frantic.

00:43:18.380 That's all over the place.

00:43:19.380 You have to have like a theme and you have to have this,

00:43:21.420 but he was genuine to himself.

00:43:22.700 You're being genuine to yourself.

00:43:23.940 You've built this.

00:43:24.680 I'm being genuine to myself.

00:43:25.740 I have this podcast.

00:43:26.780 It is so much harder to,

00:43:30.000 to start for me.

00:43:31.720 What I noticed.

00:43:32.400 Cause I know if I was starting crap on Twitter,

00:43:34.420 we used to make so much money on this old podcast with no advertising,

00:43:37.480 just cause I was every day,

00:43:39.300 just like riling the troops,

00:43:40.480 riling the troops.

00:43:41.680 Um,

00:43:42.240 with that said,

00:43:43.840 the audience,

00:43:44.740 we,

00:43:44.960 on this new podcast,

00:43:46.460 I have the audience now might even be more conservative.

00:43:51.020 Um,

00:43:52.000 at least the people who give money are,

00:43:54.360 um,

00:43:55.080 I'm watching liberals and conservatives talk on our Patreon page about someone was

00:43:59.560 really depressed.

00:44:00.140 And a bunch of people like jumped in and was like,

00:44:01.960 Hey,

00:44:02.060 try this.

00:44:02.420 Cause we talk about mental health on the podcast too.

00:44:04.300 Like besides politics and,

00:44:06.260 and those people are going to stick around.

00:44:09.000 And I would,

00:44:10.500 even from a business point of view,

00:44:12.920 um,

00:44:13.440 I would much rather 10,000 listeners that are with me for life and are good people and

00:44:20.100 can hear me and be like,

00:44:21.140 Hey,

00:44:21.220 I disagreed with that,

00:44:22.120 but I'm not going to like be a baby and walk off with my $5 a month or whatever.

00:44:26.700 Um,

00:44:27.100 I would rather that than,

00:44:29.600 I mean,

00:44:30.480 dude,

00:44:30.740 I had like a rabid fan base before and could sell out clubs and maybe 15 of them listen

00:44:36.500 to my new show.

00:44:37.440 I mean,

00:44:37.740 when they got their orders that like Jamie's out,

00:44:40.100 uh,

00:44:40.840 I was gone.

00:44:41.520 I had a guy on Facebook the day before all of like all hell broke loose was like,

00:44:47.820 Hey,

00:44:47.880 I just want you to know because of you and your standup,

00:44:49.600 like you saved my life next day.

00:44:51.960 It was Jamie's this monster.

00:44:54.140 Uh,

00:44:54.580 he's a bad liberal,

00:44:55.460 whatever.

00:44:56.000 He didn't even delete that comment.

00:44:57.580 You know how you can like add a comment on Facebook.

00:44:59.280 He added to his original comment,

00:45:00.980 like screw you.

00:45:02.320 I hope you don't whatever.

00:45:04.120 Um,

00:45:04.560 and it was just like gone.

00:45:06.940 They were,

00:45:07.380 I mean,

00:45:07.520 these were kids who,

00:45:09.560 you know,

00:45:10.640 listen to the show that like I helped with like suicide or I helped with whatever.

00:45:15.100 Um,

00:45:15.460 and like,

00:45:15.760 Jesus,

00:45:16.040 I'm glad they're okay.

00:45:17.060 But that was a crazy thing just to see like everything good that I like tried to do.

00:45:22.360 They're like,

00:45:22.720 that doesn't count anymore.

00:45:24.620 You know what I mean?

00:45:35.260 Can we go back?

00:45:36.640 Cause I haven't gotten to a single question I wanted to ask.

00:45:39.080 Oh yeah,

00:45:39.240 that's my bad.

00:45:40.160 Uh,

00:45:40.520 no,

00:45:40.740 no,

00:45:40.820 no,

00:45:41.100 no,

00:45:41.620 it's mine too.

00:45:42.640 I find you fascinating.

00:45:43.780 Um,

00:45:44.660 let me go back in case somebody doesn't know who you are and what your trial is.

00:45:50.260 Now that we've talked about the back,

00:45:51.700 the worst interview,

00:45:53.840 uh,

00:45:54.380 ever.

00:45:55.120 No,

00:45:55.320 it's like,

00:45:55.560 it's like a,

00:45:56.600 it's like a David Lynch movie.

00:45:57.880 It's like jazz.

00:46:00.620 Uh,

00:46:01.240 let's start with,

00:46:02.900 um,

00:46:04.680 uh,

00:46:05.160 where,

00:46:05.800 where should we start?

00:46:06.740 Should we start 2008?

00:46:10.480 Okay.

00:46:11.220 Um,

00:46:11.700 where is that?

00:46:12.460 I'm really bad with years.

00:46:13.800 Uh,

00:46:14.180 2008.

00:46:15.140 Obama had just been elected.

00:46:16.720 Okay.

00:46:17.260 Okay.

00:46:17.920 I was never really good at business in the sense that when I was doing very political material,

00:46:24.040 um,

00:46:25.640 to start,

00:46:26.300 it was right after nine 11,

00:46:28.040 people didn't really want that.

00:46:30.100 Then when Obama got elected,

00:46:31.680 I really liked Obama.

00:46:35.040 Um,

00:46:35.480 but,

00:46:36.940 and,

00:46:37.440 and this,

00:46:38.060 I'll like pat myself on the back a little bit.

00:46:41.000 Um,

00:46:41.540 one of the things I talk about the most on the podcast now is that people should have like principles over partisanship or like values over teams,

00:46:48.940 whatever.

00:46:50.060 And when Obama started doing stuff that I disagreed when Bush did it,

00:46:54.900 I called Obama out.

00:46:56.600 Um,

00:46:57.060 I called Obama out on Conan for drones and,

00:47:01.360 uh,

00:47:01.780 did not go over.

00:47:02.780 I mean,

00:47:02.980 the audience,

00:47:03.540 like the set looked fine,

00:47:04.680 but they got like a lot of hate man.

00:47:06.800 I've not been back on Conan.

00:47:08.600 Um,

00:47:09.120 so I like finally had this opportunity and now,

00:47:11.540 uh,

00:47:12.080 I did it again.

00:47:12.700 Now that Trump is president and every comedian is making a ton of money off of going after Trump.

00:47:17.040 I'm like,

00:47:17.400 don't you think we should all have conversations?

00:47:18.740 Like I've always been on like the wrong side.

00:47:22.120 Um,

00:47:22.520 good.

00:47:23.300 I think so.

00:47:23.940 That's good.

00:47:24.540 Got it.

00:47:24.860 Lenny Bruce.

00:47:26.160 Right.

00:47:26.420 I have a picture of him getting arrested.

00:47:28.160 Um,

00:47:28.760 that,

00:47:29.220 uh,

00:47:29.420 my friend gave me.

00:47:31.060 Um,

00:47:31.740 and so 2000,

00:47:32.500 I have a book for you to read.

00:47:33.480 You got to read the pendulum.

00:47:35.780 Oh yeah.

00:47:36.240 I haven't read it.

00:47:36.780 It's great.

00:47:37.480 And it talks about how society swings back and forth and people like you,

00:47:43.080 people like me are always right out of step.

00:47:46.520 Yeah.

00:47:47.040 Um,

00:47:47.280 either a little ahead or a little behind.

00:47:49.900 Um,

00:47:50.300 but those are the ones that make the difference.

00:47:52.660 Yeah.

00:47:53.200 And that's what you're not,

00:47:54.480 you're not going to be loved.

00:47:55.520 No.

00:47:55.780 And I,

00:47:56.080 and I told myself that,

00:47:57.460 and I've had people say that to me with what I'm doing right now,

00:48:01.080 I think,

00:48:01.920 and we'll get into it.

00:48:03.440 There's still such shame behind what happened to me that it's not like before,

00:48:11.060 like under Bush,

00:48:11.800 I could feel like,

00:48:12.840 you know,

00:48:13.040 Oh,

00:48:13.200 I'm like Carlin.

00:48:14.060 I'm like,

00:48:14.480 you know,

00:48:14.680 sticking it to the man and going after the powerful.

00:48:17.000 But when people will say stuff like,

00:48:20.640 you know,

00:48:20.940 Oh,

00:48:21.100 I'm just going on Glenn Beck show.

00:48:22.460 Cause like the left doesn't like me anymore.

00:48:23.980 It's like,

00:48:24.440 I know that's not true,

00:48:25.920 but also that's what I would have said to me.

00:48:28.520 And it still makes me be like,

00:48:31.480 like,

00:48:31.660 am I,

00:48:32.160 you know,

00:48:32.640 now if I was going on right wing shows,

00:48:34.160 I'm like,

00:48:34.340 we got to build a wall.

00:48:35.320 Then it's like,

00:48:35.740 all right,

00:48:36.000 I'm a sellout.

00:48:36.680 Like whatever.

00:48:38.320 That's good.

00:48:39.120 I don't think we ask ourselves enough.

00:48:42.040 Am I,

00:48:42.760 that's what,

00:48:43.480 when I left Fox,

00:48:45.200 that was the number one question.

00:48:48.220 Yeah.

00:48:48.580 A year before,

00:48:49.940 two years before I was at CNN,

00:48:52.120 I was hammering.

00:48:53.060 My God,

00:48:53.540 I remember that.

00:48:54.240 Yeah.

00:48:54.500 I was hammering,

00:48:55.700 but I was calling for Bush's impeachment.

00:48:57.660 And I was the second or the third most admired man in the country.

00:49:02.300 You know,

00:49:02.480 that was that year.

00:49:03.400 Yeah.

00:49:03.800 I remember this.

00:49:05.180 A year later,

00:49:06.900 half the country hates me.

00:49:09.360 Yeah,

00:49:09.540 sure.

00:49:09.840 And so I get to the end of that and I'm like,

00:49:11.700 okay,

00:49:12.880 I know I'm not the guy that is the most admired.

00:49:16.200 I'm not tied with a Pope and Nelson Mandela.

00:49:18.100 That's insane.

00:49:20.340 But I'm not this guy either.

00:49:22.300 Right.

00:49:22.600 And I spent a long time and I think you still do.

00:49:26.140 And I think it's healthy to some degree to go,

00:49:29.080 gosh,

00:49:30.540 a lot of people are saying this about me.

00:49:32.700 Not,

00:49:33.100 not necessarily am I,

00:49:34.940 which is where I started,

00:49:35.960 but what is it I'm doing that causes them to feel that way?

00:49:41.300 Yeah.

00:49:41.880 Is there something I can do differently that will negate that?

00:49:46.300 Or what is it that they're,

00:49:48.080 they're seeing or their pain is showing?

00:49:50.820 Yeah.

00:49:51.460 You know what I mean?

00:49:52.000 Yeah.

00:49:52.400 And you're built on pain.

00:49:54.400 Yeah.

00:49:54.680 You're built on.

00:49:55.600 That's comedy.

00:49:56.500 Right.

00:49:56.820 It's just like a hill of pain.

00:49:58.500 Yeah.

00:49:58.960 But then it's tricky.

00:50:01.740 It's tricky when you're in survival mode too.

00:50:03.840 Cause I've always been like a hustler from,

00:50:06.300 and I mean that in a good way.

00:50:08.760 Yeah.

00:50:10.140 You know,

00:50:10.740 from again,

00:50:11.360 dropping out of high school to start standup.

00:50:13.100 I was like,

00:50:13.720 I know what I want to do.

00:50:15.320 I'm not good at many things,

00:50:16.660 but the things I'm good at,

00:50:17.880 I use that addict brain and I go hard.

00:50:20.180 So I'm 17.

00:50:21.380 I realized I want to do standup instead of being like,

00:50:23.640 Oh,

00:50:23.780 when I graduate out,

00:50:24.840 whatever.

00:50:25.340 I was like,

00:50:25.860 Nope.

00:50:26.280 Like I'm leaving high school.

00:50:27.600 I literally can't focus on anything.

00:50:29.580 I'm going to take the train into New York every day,

00:50:31.440 do open mics.

00:50:32.680 Then I start to get booked a little bit,

00:50:34.760 not getting booked enough.

00:50:35.660 Don't want to have a day job.

00:50:36.500 I'm going to live out of my car and just drive back and forth to coffee

00:50:39.100 houses and just get paid enough to make it to the next town.

00:50:42.320 Like,

00:50:42.920 and that I'm,

00:50:43.720 I'm great with doing that.

00:50:45.680 And so what I really have to keep in check now is,

00:50:49.560 I mean,

00:50:51.000 that,

00:50:51.220 that financial drop is a scary thing.

00:50:53.760 And when literally I was like holding my cat crying,

00:50:57.060 being like,

00:50:57.460 can I afford this cat?

00:51:00.560 You,

00:51:01.140 I have to make sure my decisions,

00:51:03.300 I have to triple check everything.

00:51:05.320 You know,

00:51:05.860 I mean,

00:51:06.100 I sent my girlfriend like talking points from today just to be like,

00:51:12.120 is this genuine?

00:51:13.800 Is this,

00:51:14.360 you know,

00:51:14.780 um,

00:51:16.160 for this?

00:51:17.100 Yeah.

00:51:17.740 Yeah.

00:51:18.180 Yeah.

00:51:18.640 Um,

00:51:19.040 I mean,

00:51:19.220 not like plan talking points,

00:51:20.580 but,

00:51:20.940 um,

00:51:21.320 you know,

00:51:21.600 like the,

00:51:22.160 the,

00:51:22.600 the advertiser or the,

00:51:23.960 the,

00:51:24.340 the teaser,

00:51:25.080 um,

00:51:25.980 for this.

00:51:26.360 I was like,

00:51:27.060 I just,

00:51:27.560 I,

00:51:27.780 I need to make sure that I'm not going to,

00:51:31.080 you want to be genuine.

00:51:32.280 Yeah.

00:51:32.640 And I,

00:51:33.020 you don't want to desperately court people just because it might get you an extra

00:51:37.940 a hundred bucks a month.

00:51:38.860 You know what?

00:51:39.180 It really bothers me.

00:51:40.200 We've got to stay on track,

00:51:41.580 but what really bothers me is I'll go,

00:51:44.700 some place,

00:51:45.320 for instance,

00:51:46.100 I was on with Samantha B.

00:51:47.480 Okay.

00:51:47.980 Okay.

00:51:48.220 And I did this big thing.

00:51:49.900 It blew up.

00:51:51.160 Oh,

00:51:51.260 I remember that.

00:51:51.720 Yeah.

00:51:51.880 Yeah.

00:51:52.120 Yeah.

00:51:52.240 Blew up everywhere.

00:51:53.100 I was a hero suddenly on the left and hated on the right.

00:51:56.860 Oh,

00:51:57.060 interesting.

00:51:57.400 And I was like,

00:51:58.620 wait,

00:51:59.180 no,

00:51:59.500 I haven't changed.

00:52:01.340 I've changed the way I talk to people because I think if we change the way we

00:52:06.000 talk to people,

00:52:06.940 we can find common ground.

00:52:09.180 Oh,

00:52:09.340 I see.

00:52:10.160 And,

00:52:10.720 um,

00:52:11.260 and we can live like that.

00:52:13.180 Um,

00:52:15.200 and it bothered me.

00:52:17.420 And I checked in the interview all the time of myself.

00:52:20.900 Don't say anything that you're just,

00:52:22.980 you're don't lean too far to appeal.

00:52:25.920 Speak how you really feel.

00:52:28.220 Yeah.

00:52:28.520 And that's really hard,

00:52:30.740 but that's what people are starving.

00:52:34.080 I know.

00:52:34.440 And it's like,

00:52:34.880 I know how to write jokes.

00:52:36.140 If I wanted to write jokes,

00:52:37.540 tearing apart the left right now for a little while,

00:52:40.460 I'd probably be like on the top of the right wing.

00:52:42.340 Like I would just be,

00:52:43.380 I could sell out comedy clubs again.

00:52:45.240 Um,

00:52:46.060 and,

00:52:46.620 and instead what I'm doing is I'm,

00:52:49.020 I told my agent,

00:52:50.680 I was like,

00:52:51.380 I don't think I should headline for a while.

00:52:53.340 I want to go back to opening for people,

00:52:55.400 which means I'm paying for,

00:52:57.180 or I'm driving a,

00:52:58.160 I'm driving on Sunday.

00:52:59.800 I'm driving five and a half hours to do a gig for a hundred bucks.

00:53:02.240 I haven't done that since I was 22 years old,

00:53:04.180 but I don't have an audience anymore.

00:53:05.700 And I want to get on stage.

00:53:07.520 Um,

00:53:07.880 and I want people to listen to my podcast.

00:53:09.280 And so that's what I'm doing on Sunday.

00:53:11.280 I land,

00:53:12.100 I go home from here on Friday.

00:53:14.000 I have one day I'm gonna watch my friends fight.

00:53:15.740 And then,

00:53:16.220 uh,

00:53:16.520 and then I'm driving to like Palm desert to do a bar gig.

00:53:19.600 Like these were the shows I used to do when I was 22.

00:53:23.100 Um,

00:53:23.540 good.

00:53:23.980 I mean,

00:53:24.320 I hate,

00:53:25.120 I hate this.

00:53:26.240 Cause my father said this to me when I was,

00:53:28.780 but he's like,

00:53:29.320 you're going to be humbled and it's going to be so good.

00:53:32.060 I kind of feel that way.

00:53:33.040 It's going to be good.

00:53:33.800 I kind of feel like leaving Los Angeles.

00:53:35.960 Which seems like a silly thing to do now that I'm getting back into comedy.

00:53:39.840 Um,

00:53:40.980 is going to get me on stage for the right reasons again.

00:53:43.980 Um,

00:53:44.380 instead of just preaching to the choir or being like,

00:53:46.960 what does this audience want to,

00:53:48.700 you know,

00:53:48.920 I went to,

00:53:49.680 uh,

00:53:49.940 I had some great shows in LA.

00:53:52.080 I had like the comedy store where my friends were running stuff.

00:53:54.220 And you know,

00:53:54.820 the comedy store is run by like edgy comics.

00:53:56.780 Like it's bill birds,

00:53:57.620 Joe Rogan,

00:53:58.100 it's those guys.

00:53:59.300 Um,

00:54:00.160 but all of the sort of like woke comedy rooms and stuff,

00:54:03.480 my friend was going to introduce me to a booker of one.

00:54:06.560 And I went in there and it was so interesting to me because club comics,

00:54:10.120 a lot of times get made fun of,

00:54:12.960 um,

00:54:13.960 you know,

00:54:14.240 for being generic or whatever.

00:54:15.920 Every time I played comedy clubs,

00:54:17.900 it was an incredibly diverse audience,

00:54:20.140 black,

00:54:20.500 Latino,

00:54:20.920 working class,

00:54:21.500 whatever.

00:54:21.760 When you would go to these like woke rooms where they're just doing the

00:54:25.280 pandery,

00:54:26.080 um,

00:54:26.900 left wing jokes,

00:54:28.240 it was all like white hipsters who could afford to see a comedy show at

00:54:33.680 like Tuesday at 10 because they don't work the next day.

00:54:37.060 And I was like,

00:54:37.840 I'm not even talking.

00:54:39.080 Like when I was on the left,

00:54:40.160 I wasn't even talking to the people I wanted to be talking to.

00:54:44.020 You know,

00:54:44.520 we would go drinking,

00:54:46.620 uh,

00:54:47.240 with like a bunch of writers for the nation.

00:54:49.080 And it was like all white people in park slope.

00:54:51.760 Uh,

00:54:52.440 and I was like,

00:54:53.280 Oh my God,

00:54:53.600 I'm,

00:54:53.860 I'm literally not even getting to regular people.

00:54:56.580 And then you meet regular people and you realize that there's a lot of

00:55:00.560 gray and a lot of them are like kind of conservative on this kind of

00:55:03.560 liberal on this.

00:55:04.720 And you can bring people together by being like,

00:55:08.280 Hey,

00:55:08.420 we can both be,

00:55:09.560 um,

00:55:11.300 you know,

00:55:12.060 like,

00:55:12.320 uh,

00:55:12.580 if we're talking about torture,

00:55:14.320 for example,

00:55:15.420 instead of me assuming like a right wing person,

00:55:17.940 like you just want to torture people and a right wing person,

00:55:20.240 assuming that I'm just like naive and want to like,

00:55:22.820 you know,

00:55:22.980 sing songs with a terrorist,

00:55:24.360 we can go,

00:55:26.220 well,

00:55:26.400 what produces the information we need?

00:55:28.420 And let's look at that,

00:55:29.800 right?

00:55:30.100 Like,

00:55:30.340 I don't care the reasons let's just look at,

00:55:33.840 you know,

00:55:34.180 will this get us Intel?

00:55:35.500 And if not torturing him proves,

00:55:38.160 if statistics show that that gets us more,

00:55:40.040 uh,

00:55:40.580 valid intelligence,

00:55:41.680 we do that.

00:55:42.600 And if torture does,

00:55:43.700 and I would think that also you would have to include in there because,

00:55:47.900 uh,

00:55:49.520 you know,

00:55:50.900 I,

00:55:51.140 I'm for prison reform.

00:55:52.560 I'm,

00:55:53.240 I'm not an execution guy and everybody would think that I would be,

00:55:57.600 and I'm not for torture.

00:55:58.920 And,

00:55:59.520 and,

00:55:59.780 and the biggest,

00:56:01.720 the biggest shame,

00:56:03.280 uh,

00:56:03.880 on the torture thing is we say we don't do it,

00:56:06.880 but we'll ghost plane you.

00:56:09.040 Oh yeah.

00:56:09.920 Saudi Arabia where they'll torture you for fun.

00:56:12.920 Yeah.

00:56:13.380 A hundred percent.

00:56:14.240 That's like,

00:56:14.860 that's so immoral.

00:56:16.260 Yeah.

00:56:16.620 Um,

00:56:17.220 the moral thing has to go in there too.

00:56:19.120 But like,

00:56:19.520 I would have never guessed that about you in 2008.

00:56:23.320 See,

00:56:23.500 I'll bring it back to the question.

00:56:24.560 Uh,

00:56:24.880 I would have never,

00:56:25.640 I would have never guessed that,

00:56:27.180 you know?

00:56:27.520 And I'm like,

00:56:28.100 look,

00:56:28.380 I don't care if you want to get rid of the death penalty because you think it's

00:56:32.640 too expensive or because you think it's immoral.

00:56:34.940 Like if we agree on that,

00:56:36.560 let's just agree on that.

00:56:38.620 Um,

00:56:39.140 you know,

00:56:39.560 we prison reform,

00:56:41.180 uh,

00:56:41.700 not torturing people,

00:56:42.900 that,

00:56:43.320 that isn't just because,

00:56:44.720 you know,

00:56:45.860 I'm just like,

00:56:46.520 we're better than that.

00:56:47.680 And I'm delicate and I don't want to think about like sad things.

00:56:50.380 It's also because like,

00:56:51.620 well,

00:56:51.780 that could lead to extremism.

00:56:53.240 That does lead to extremism.

00:56:54.700 Those Guantanamo pictures will lead to extremists.

00:56:57.440 Um,

00:56:57.840 and then what the left does is the left won't criticize like Islam at all because they don't

00:57:03.760 want to be seen as,

00:57:05.020 as Islamophobic.

00:57:06.020 And so you have one side that's ignoring part of it.

00:57:10.200 And then you have the other side that's ignoring part of it.

00:57:12.820 They won't set.

00:57:13.800 Look,

00:57:14.080 Islam is not a problem.

00:57:16.720 Not at all.

00:57:18.320 Islamacists are not good.

00:57:20.180 Not good.

00:57:20.900 Right.

00:57:21.200 That's the problem.

00:57:22.680 And we,

00:57:23.160 we don't have a,

00:57:25.220 there is no vehicle that is popular yet that will say that difference.

00:57:32.660 And if you don't understand that difference before you join the conversation,

00:57:36.000 understand that difference.

00:57:37.680 Right.

00:57:38.120 Right.

00:57:38.440 So speaking of terrorism,

00:57:39.540 my standup comedy career,

00:57:40.940 uh,

00:57:41.540 2008.

00:57:42.540 So yeah,

00:57:42.940 I think that's the year.

00:57:44.080 I think these were going well then.

00:57:46.040 I think that's probably around when I met Robin,

00:57:48.900 I was starting to get on TV.

00:57:50.840 Um,

00:57:51.240 and like I said,

00:57:52.060 things kind of flatlined.

00:57:54.760 Um,

00:57:55.400 cause I also played into,

00:57:57.560 you know,

00:57:57.920 I would go overseas and every interview or every write up or review was comparing me to

00:58:03.400 Bill Hicks and George Carlin and Bill Hicks and George Carlin was like middle fingers.

00:58:06.840 They would go hard.

00:58:08.220 So like,

00:58:08.920 I kind of played into that and I was like drinking more.

00:58:11.920 And I was,

00:58:12.680 you know,

00:58:12.880 I mean the thing with comedy is a lot of times the more screwed up you are,

00:58:15.820 the more revered.

00:58:16.920 I think that was another reason escaping and going into MMA and jujitsu was so healthy for me.

00:58:22.380 Cause it was the first time where people like read a self-help book or like talked positively about themselves or were sober just because they were training,

00:58:31.280 not because they were alcoholics or degenerates.

00:58:33.480 And,

00:58:33.980 uh,

00:58:34.140 I didn't have a lot of those role models.

00:58:35.620 But in comedy and because I have an addictive personality and a desperate need to be liked,

00:58:41.660 you know,

00:58:42.880 I mean,

00:58:43.040 when I got back into comedy last year,

00:58:45.200 I immediately started drinking again.

00:58:48.180 I,

00:58:48.880 at one point was like,

00:58:49.600 do I have to be depressed again?

00:58:50.800 Like all this positive work I did on myself was kind of gone because comics are like,

00:58:55.700 you know,

00:58:56.040 the screw up,

00:58:56.940 uh,

00:58:57.460 clowns.

00:58:58.720 And so then what happened was,

00:59:00.880 uh,

00:59:01.180 kind of flatlined with standup and got into radio.

00:59:04.840 It turned to our podcast.

00:59:06.180 It just got more and more political.

00:59:08.680 And because I was touring less cause I wasn't getting booked,

00:59:11.580 you know,

00:59:11.780 originally our show,

00:59:13.680 it was called,

00:59:14.380 no,

00:59:14.540 it wasn't in radio before that.

00:59:16.040 It was called,

00:59:16.760 interesting.

00:59:17.640 Drunken politics.

00:59:18.920 Right.

00:59:19.520 Yeah.

00:59:19.740 Which shows no one knows that.

00:59:21.180 Right.

00:59:21.820 Like I,

00:59:22.360 I,

00:59:22.640 I,

00:59:22.720 I guess it's simply,

00:59:23.920 but it's called what I was struck by is it's drunken politics.

00:59:29.320 And then citizen radio.

00:59:32.500 That's such a micro.

00:59:33.900 Yeah.

00:59:34.540 That right.

00:59:35.220 That describes exactly the trajectory where it was like the reason the show was successful in the beginning,

00:59:43.100 I believe was at the time you either had political shows that were just preachy or you had comedy shows that I was always the guy that a lot of places I would go.

00:59:53.920 So I was,

00:59:54.600 I was either too dirty or edgy or funny for the political people.

00:59:58.260 And I was too political for the comedy people.

01:00:01.180 So I had this manager at the time who I think we just got rejected for like a CNN pitch.

01:00:06.960 He was like,

01:00:07.320 why don't you start a podcast?

01:00:08.260 I don't know.

01:00:08.560 Everyone's doing them.

01:00:09.740 And we were like,

01:00:10.720 all right.

01:00:11.560 And just did it for us.

01:00:13.080 It was like,

01:00:13.760 yeah,

01:00:13.880 we can just be edgy and offensive and liberal.

01:00:17.920 And there was a need for that.

01:00:21.100 There were a lot of people who wanted that.

01:00:22.780 And what would happen was wherever I did my standup tour,

01:00:26.080 our numbers would just shoot up.

01:00:27.940 So it was all these comedy fans.

01:00:29.680 So I would go to Australia and suddenly our Australian numbers were like through the roof.

01:00:33.020 But then when I stopped getting booked,

01:00:36.320 it was less comedy people finding us and more people finding us because of a Ralph Nader interview or a Noam Chomsky interview or whatever.

01:00:45.040 And then that audience,

01:00:48.340 because it was less comedy people,

01:00:50.660 they would be like,

01:00:52.120 that offended me.

01:00:53.340 And me being like a white guy and self-hating and a dropout.

01:00:59.280 So kind of like a chip,

01:01:00.240 not a chip on my shoulder,

01:01:01.240 but a soft spot for if I feel like I'm being done.

01:01:03.980 I will always assume I'm wrong is essentially it.

01:01:06.440 But I would just kind of apologize and be like,

01:01:09.200 oh,

01:01:09.280 I guess I am part of the problem.

01:01:11.240 And it just started to be more political and less funny.

01:01:15.900 And that's kind of when the trouble started.

01:01:18.680 I want to talk to you about this,

01:01:20.160 just this segment of your life more.

01:01:22.020 Yeah.

01:01:22.280 Because I think I can really,

01:01:24.860 really relate to it in many ways.

01:01:29.920 But you weren't just,

01:01:32.080 you weren't mamby pamby on this stuff.

01:01:35.080 I mean,

01:01:35.320 I saw the Joe Rogan,

01:01:37.720 what was it?

01:01:38.320 The Joe Rogan delusion.

01:01:39.500 Oh,

01:01:39.600 the bad one.

01:01:40.260 Yeah,

01:01:40.540 for sure.

01:01:42.500 Man,

01:01:42.980 I don't like you.

01:01:43.940 Yeah.

01:01:44.300 You know what I mean?

01:01:46.320 And Joe,

01:01:47.680 I thought was being really reasonable and I didn't really relate to you at all.

01:01:52.280 But that's who you were right before the flame.

01:01:57.200 Yeah.

01:01:57.680 Well,

01:01:57.880 a lot of that is comes from fear and defensiveness.

01:02:03.000 Certitude.

01:02:03.400 And so,

01:02:03.940 yeah.

01:02:04.180 And certitude.

01:02:04.840 So what happened was I had done Rogan show a couple of times and it was great.

01:02:11.920 Great.

01:02:12.420 It was where I got like a large base of my fans.

01:02:15.800 A comedian makes a Daniel Tosh,

01:02:19.260 a very successful comedian.

01:02:20.740 I automatically don't like them because they're successful.

01:02:24.620 Makes the headline that I get that the left gets is Daniel Tosh tells woman and audience

01:02:29.860 it would be funny if she gets raped.

01:02:31.560 That's not a funny thing to say.

01:02:32.840 That's not a joke.

01:02:33.700 There's no punchline.

01:02:34.620 There's no rules of three.

01:02:35.720 That's just telling a lady you hope she gets raped,

01:02:38.220 which sounds horrible.

01:02:39.740 Now,

01:02:40.640 you know,

01:02:41.100 I went back on Rogan's recently and we like rehashed everything.

01:02:43.960 It was great.

01:02:44.980 What he told me,

01:02:46.180 and I didn't know this,

01:02:47.900 the whole,

01:02:49.320 the way,

01:02:49.780 the way it went down was Daniel Tosh shows up at this club.

01:02:52.780 He goes,

01:02:53.120 what do you want me to talk about?

01:02:54.540 Audience members yell something.

01:02:56.060 Some douchebag yells rape.

01:02:57.740 And he goes,

01:02:58.500 oh,

01:02:58.780 right.

01:02:59.080 Cause rape so funny.

01:03:00.080 What can we talk about?

01:03:00.940 The shame,

01:03:01.720 the stigmas,

01:03:02.880 the mix,

01:03:03.100 makes like a pretty subversive,

01:03:05.280 great rape joke.

01:03:06.540 Then woman in the audience goes,

01:03:08.160 rapes,

01:03:08.420 never funny,

01:03:09.440 heckles him.

01:03:10.300 He says that like dumb line,

01:03:12.700 whatever.

01:03:13.020 But there was more to the story.

01:03:14.820 So I go on Rogan show.

01:03:16.700 I have no idea.

01:03:18.560 Joe's mad at me.

01:03:19.440 I don't know that we have any,

01:03:20.960 I didn't think we had any disagreements.

01:03:22.540 So I'm like,

01:03:23.960 even though I'm in this left wing world,

01:03:26.280 I'm very,

01:03:27.460 I'm not expecting this.

01:03:29.080 Not only that,

01:03:30.320 but I get stoned before I go on.

01:03:32.980 This is a little fun fact.

01:03:34.060 Not a lot of people know I get stoned before I go on.

01:03:36.600 And I was sober for years.

01:03:38.540 I think I was sober for like three years at this point,

01:03:40.560 but I'm like,

01:03:40.860 you gotta get stoned if you're doing Joe Rogan show again,

01:03:43.060 because I have no idea there's going to be any confrontation.

01:03:46.920 That clip of me on Rogan show should be used as an anti-drug commercial where it

01:03:51.340 should be me being like,

01:03:53.740 this will be fun smoking weed.

01:03:55.180 And then cuts to 10 minutes later with Joe standing up going,

01:03:57.940 would you rather be raped or murdered?

01:03:59.460 And then it cuts back to me with my eyes wide and bloodshot.

01:04:01.680 And then it just says,

01:04:02.240 don't do drugs.

01:04:02.980 Uh,

01:04:03.460 it was so scary.

01:04:05.100 But in that moment,

01:04:06.500 it was,

01:04:09.000 I had for the first time in my life,

01:04:12.460 I had money for the first time in my life.

01:04:15.840 I was in what I thought was a stable relationship.

01:04:18.860 Someone who's not going to leave me.

01:04:20.940 Um,

01:04:21.900 and for the first time in my life,

01:04:23.020 I had hardcore fans.

01:04:24.440 And when this was happening in the very beginning,

01:04:28.920 I just thought like,

01:04:30.880 look,

01:04:31.040 I'm not suddenly like a pro rape guy or a pro rape joke guy.

01:04:35.700 I,

01:04:36.180 I didn't think that that argument was going to escalate.

01:04:38.480 So when I was like,

01:04:39.660 you know,

01:04:41.000 uh,

01:04:41.800 kind of telling him like the rape statistics or whatever,

01:04:44.900 uh,

01:04:45.660 you know,

01:04:45.940 we ended this big argument.

01:04:47.640 I'm stoned.

01:04:48.580 I'm stuttering.

01:04:49.440 Suddenly my phone's blowing up.

01:04:50.580 Cause all of us fans are tweeting me like,

01:04:52.060 yeah,

01:04:52.220 you cook.

01:04:52.820 Like,

01:04:53.180 I hope you get raped.

01:04:54.080 My Twitter literally got hacked and someone just wrote rape all over it.

01:04:57.160 My career has never been easy.

01:04:58.900 Um,

01:04:59.300 and,

01:05:00.360 and it was just a nightmare.

01:05:01.620 So then the next day on our show was sort of like this,

01:05:06.820 like moment where I had to choose.

01:05:09.320 I was like,

01:05:10.200 well,

01:05:11.560 comedy,

01:05:12.660 I screwed it up.

01:05:14.680 Like I lost it.

01:05:16.060 Um,

01:05:16.560 all of my friends,

01:05:17.880 Rogan,

01:05:18.360 all these people I really looked up to,

01:05:20.600 they don't like me anymore.

01:05:22.060 Because I,

01:05:23.820 you know,

01:05:24.020 at the time really did think what I was saying was right.

01:05:27.320 I wasn't like Daniel Tosh should be censored or he shouldn't do comedy.

01:05:30.780 Everyone on the left was saying,

01:05:32.040 you know,

01:05:32.260 cancel Daniel Tosh.

01:05:33.300 But I was like,

01:05:35.220 I was like,

01:05:35.960 look,

01:05:36.300 I like comedy that goes after powerful people.

01:05:38.820 I don't want someone in the audience who was raped to feel horrible.

01:05:43.240 I still feel that way.

01:05:44.260 You know,

01:05:44.620 I wouldn't make a rape justice to make it.

01:05:46.460 That's the problem with political correctness.

01:05:48.400 It appeals to all of us.

01:05:50.420 I don't want to hurt.

01:05:51.360 No,

01:05:51.760 you just feel like decent.

01:05:53.440 Right.

01:05:53.680 Yeah.

01:05:53.800 Cause you get,

01:05:54.640 then it gets into this,

01:05:55.940 uh,

01:05:56.520 Hey,

01:05:56.840 uh,

01:05:57.100 you need to live over here in this ghetto and we're going to build a wall

01:06:00.080 because you think this or said this.

01:06:01.880 You're like,

01:06:02.180 wait,

01:06:02.620 wait,

01:06:03.260 wait.

01:06:03.760 Can you not use the word ghetto?

01:06:05.180 Um,

01:06:05.820 yeah,

01:06:06.120 but a hundred percent where it's like,

01:06:07.700 again,

01:06:07.860 we're digging for 10 year old tweets from Kevin Hart's instead of trying to

01:06:10.820 like lift up the successful black guy.

01:06:12.360 And he like Silverman,

01:06:14.880 he had already apologized for it totally before it was a scandal.

01:06:19.520 Right.

01:06:19.740 And then now you have the people on the other side who were like,

01:06:22.060 ah,

01:06:22.200 political correctness.

01:06:23.260 And you're like,

01:06:23.580 yeah,

01:06:23.760 right.

01:06:24.000 Like Kevin Hart.

01:06:24.500 He's like,

01:06:24.700 no,

01:06:24.820 why can't I say the N word?

01:06:25.980 And you're like,

01:06:26.280 well,

01:06:26.400 that's not right.

01:06:27.200 That's you being a racist.

01:06:28.540 That's not good either.

01:06:29.840 Right.

01:06:30.540 There are,

01:06:31.140 there are two sides to all of this.

01:06:33.660 Um,

01:06:34.180 so that next day,

01:06:35.100 like I was like,

01:06:36.200 I guess I got to go after Rogan because all of our fans were like,

01:06:42.060 what?

01:06:42.320 Yes.

01:06:43.420 And they were paying the bills.

01:06:46.180 And again,

01:06:46.900 I didn't feel like I was selling out in my head.

01:06:50.420 You believed it.

01:06:51.360 Well,

01:06:51.520 I'm defending women.

01:06:52.760 Yeah.

01:06:52.940 I'm defending women and I'm defending myself.

01:06:56.240 And I was taken back and I was hurt and I was scared.

01:07:00.980 And I knew that audience wasn't going to leave.

01:07:04.320 So then when you leave the show,

01:07:06.340 who accuses you,

01:07:07.600 who gives you a me too?

01:07:09.260 Yeah.

01:07:09.760 So,

01:07:10.240 um,

01:07:11.980 we'll see how much I can like say about this without my goal.

01:07:15.900 When I've done,

01:07:17.620 when I've talked about this publicly has been not to,

01:07:20.420 uh,

01:07:22.000 throw anybody trash women.

01:07:23.740 Right.

01:07:24.200 Yeah.

01:07:24.340 Okay.

01:07:24.680 Um,

01:07:25.980 so,

01:07:26.760 but I also feel like I never,

01:07:29.900 I never really rightfully defended myself either.

01:07:33.200 I had friends.

01:07:34.680 I had a friend who spoke at the woman's March was like a keynote speaker who

01:07:37.520 called me after this happened and was like,

01:07:40.140 you got to say something,

01:07:40.920 you got to defend yourself.

01:07:42.280 Uh,

01:07:42.560 this is ridiculous.

01:07:43.280 Like when you were being accused of makes my job harder going after actual

01:07:47.520 creeps.

01:07:48.100 Right.

01:07:48.400 Um,

01:07:50.020 and I didn't,

01:07:50.960 and I didn't for two reasons.

01:07:52.620 Um,

01:07:53.260 one,

01:07:53.620 I was suicidal.

01:07:54.620 Um,

01:07:54.940 I had a girlfriend at the time who,

01:07:56.840 uh,

01:07:57.100 I'm not with anymore,

01:07:57.880 but was very supportive,

01:07:59.500 but she was out of town when it happened.

01:08:00.980 And she,

01:08:01.800 uh,

01:08:02.080 had a bit of a jealousy problem already.

01:08:04.140 So I was like,

01:08:05.060 Oh,

01:08:05.260 she's a hundred percent going to break up with me when she gets home.

01:08:07.660 So I have no job.

01:08:08.600 I have no money.

01:08:09.760 People are conflating consensual one night stands and literally like tweeting

01:08:13.780 me that I'm a rapist.

01:08:15.220 Um,

01:08:15.760 and my girlfriend's totally going to break up with me.

01:08:18.000 She gets home,

01:08:19.160 uh,

01:08:20.600 as I've been trying to figure out how to kill myself unsuccessfully.

01:08:25.020 And,

01:08:25.380 uh,

01:08:27.540 has my back.

01:08:28.720 Don't know why,

01:08:29.660 but like complete,

01:08:30.820 I mean,

01:08:31.160 of course I know why,

01:08:31.900 like,

01:08:32.100 cause she knows me,

01:08:32.820 um,

01:08:33.560 and knows I'm not that person.

01:08:35.460 Um,

01:08:35.900 and that's really what the only reason I didn't a hundred percent,

01:08:39.980 uh,

01:08:40.460 kill myself.

01:08:41.000 So she also wanted me to respond.

01:08:43.620 A bunch of my very famous liberal friends wanted me to respond,

01:08:46.600 men and women.

01:08:47.680 Um,

01:08:48.260 but I didn't respond because one,

01:08:49.960 I was a coward and I was like,

01:08:51.140 I cannot take any more blowback.

01:08:52.980 The fact that I'm alive right now and that I survived.

01:08:55.580 Well,

01:08:55.840 like my ex was like going to see her family.

01:08:58.060 I was like,

01:08:59.320 if I respond and that triggers one more response piece or one more Jezebel

01:09:04.120 thing,

01:09:04.580 I was like,

01:09:06.040 mentally I'm out.

01:09:07.780 So I just accepted that I was never going to do comedy again.

01:09:10.500 I accepted that I was,

01:09:11.740 I mean,

01:09:11.900 dude,

01:09:11.980 I was walking around with a hoodie and sunglasses.

01:09:13.620 Like I was accused of rape in LA.

01:09:15.720 Like I didn't want to go outside.

01:09:17.300 Um,

01:09:17.900 to this day,

01:09:18.720 when I hand over my credit card,

01:09:21.040 uh,

01:09:21.500 and someone says my last name or they recognize me,

01:09:23.420 my first thought is that they're going to think,

01:09:25.060 and it's never that they're always like wonderful and nice,

01:09:27.560 but that still happens to me.

01:09:30.180 Um,

01:09:31.140 okay.

01:09:31.820 So the other reason I didn't say anything was,

01:09:35.860 and this may sound like old Jamie or like,

01:09:39.180 you know,

01:09:39.600 virtual signaling,

01:09:40.500 uh,

01:09:41.320 feminist,

01:09:41.960 whatever.

01:09:42.460 But I also didn't want to be the anti me too guy because there's a lot of

01:09:47.720 really good stuff.

01:09:48.860 Like the Harvey Weinstein thing that happened.

01:09:50.920 Um,

01:09:51.580 that's just the,

01:09:52.460 this,

01:09:52.760 this goes back to what we talked about earlier.

01:09:54.680 Yes.

01:09:55.040 There is,

01:09:57.680 I was very anti Trump in some regards.

01:10:01.540 I still am.

01:10:02.580 I was never pro Trump,

01:10:04.700 right?

01:10:04.800 But in some regards,

01:10:05.980 I'm not pro Trump.

01:10:07.160 I'm pro some of his,

01:10:08.920 some of his policies.

01:10:10.720 Yeah.

01:10:10.920 Right.

01:10:11.800 And we have made me too sacred.

01:10:15.480 No,

01:10:15.740 no,

01:10:15.860 no.

01:10:17.140 Do process,

01:10:19.060 do process because I want Weinstein to go and Epstein.

01:10:24.540 I'm,

01:10:25.120 I didn't cry when he was dead and Weinstein,

01:10:28.580 I want to go to jail.

01:10:29.800 If he gets away with it,

01:10:30.840 that is a black mark on America.

01:10:33.280 Yeah.

01:10:33.580 You know what I mean?

01:10:34.000 So,

01:10:34.400 but there's a difference between that and a one night stand and it was consensual

01:10:40.000 rape or even just a false accusation.

01:10:43.000 Right.

01:10:43.500 That's a huge difference.

01:10:44.960 That should not be part of me too.

01:10:46.740 And I still,

01:10:47.540 and I,

01:10:47.700 but I've seen guys who have like gotten accused of stuff,

01:10:51.180 just suddenly turn into this just woman hating.

01:10:54.600 And I was like,

01:10:54.940 I can't do that.

01:10:55.660 Like I had a joke about Weinstein where I was like,

01:10:57.640 I probably can't say this.

01:10:59.440 Go ahead.

01:11:00.140 Well,

01:11:00.320 I said,

01:11:00.880 I,

01:11:01.420 I go,

01:11:02.120 I hope everyone goes to jail.

01:11:03.320 I hope he gets raped in jail.

01:11:04.220 I go,

01:11:04.500 I hope the guy who makes Harvey Weinstein suck his makes him do it for like a

01:11:08.340 bit part in the prison play.

01:11:11.580 You shouldn't have said that.

01:11:12.920 I know.

01:11:13.680 I was very aware.

01:11:14.660 And so yeah,

01:11:17.720 very anti Weinstein.

01:11:18.620 My,

01:11:19.220 my line that I say,

01:11:20.480 and I agree with this,

01:11:21.940 or I still stand by this is that if you,

01:11:26.220 cause you have a lot of people go,

01:11:28.720 all these false accusations are,

01:11:30.340 you know,

01:11:30.520 it's terrible for men,

01:11:31.580 blah,

01:11:31.660 blah,

01:11:31.740 blah.

01:11:31.840 It's like,

01:11:32.140 look guys,

01:11:32.840 calm down.

01:11:33.720 We still have a better than women,

01:11:35.160 right?

01:11:35.360 There are still infinitely more women who do not get justice for their sexual

01:11:39.320 assaults or their rapes.

01:11:40.800 Then there are men who are falsely accused with that said.

01:11:44.080 Every time you falsely accuse someone or every time you conflate hookups,

01:11:49.520 uh,

01:11:50.140 not even drunken hookups,

01:11:51.300 very sober,

01:11:52.280 consensual hookups with rape.

01:11:54.040 You're diminishing the real,

01:11:56.560 you're making it worse for women.

01:11:57.600 And that's like,

01:11:58.380 uh,

01:11:58.500 what's his name?

01:11:59.220 Smollett,

01:11:59.800 right?

01:12:00.660 Jussie.

01:12:01.020 Oh,

01:12:01.220 Jussie.

01:12:01.540 Yeah.

01:12:02.760 How could anyone support?

01:12:05.200 I'm willing.

01:12:05.920 If,

01:12:06.120 if that was true,

01:12:07.440 I'm willing to stand with him.

01:12:09.280 Oh yeah.

01:12:09.960 But for that not to be true,

01:12:12.040 you're making it worse for everybody.

01:12:13.560 For everybody who actually has had a racist encounter.

01:12:18.000 Like,

01:12:18.400 I can tell you that a lot of the people who reached out to me first were women who

01:12:23.080 were sexually assaulted and they were like,

01:12:25.700 this is insane.

01:12:26.800 What's happening to you.

01:12:27.800 And it's,

01:12:28.360 it's,

01:12:29.260 it's a horrible thing.

01:12:31.040 Um,

01:12:31.780 but it's like,

01:12:32.180 of course they would think that.

01:12:33.740 Um,

01:12:34.040 I mean,

01:12:34.340 when Matt Damon publicly said that,

01:12:38.360 Hey,

01:12:38.480 should we be treating Al Franken?

01:12:39.780 Like we treat Harvey Weinstein.

01:12:41.620 And the next day,

01:12:42.760 Matt Damon is trending on Twitter.

01:12:44.260 Like he suddenly was like accused of rape.

01:12:46.520 Like if we can't have the conversation,

01:12:49.320 it's,

01:12:50.200 it's bad for everybody.

01:12:53.240 Um,

01:12:53.680 but I think what's happening,

01:12:55.120 I mean,

01:12:55.700 where I can be sort of empathetic is,

01:12:58.380 or where I try to be empathetic is women haven't had justice for a long time with a lot of these issues.

01:13:04.580 And I think when it finally started to happen,

01:13:07.260 everybody was like,

01:13:08.420 here we go.

01:13:10.060 This is like our time.

01:13:11.720 Um,

01:13:12.640 but there's going to be,

01:13:13.740 the pendulum is going to swing the other way.

01:13:15.360 And then people aren't going to take real story seriously where they're going to be like,

01:13:19.820 Oh,

01:13:19.980 is this like Aziz where it was like a date that like went wrong or like,

01:13:23.320 you know,

01:13:24.060 and,

01:13:24.320 and,

01:13:24.460 and that's,

01:13:25.600 that's a scary thing for,

01:13:27.020 for women.

01:13:27.660 I think,

01:13:28.580 um,

01:13:28.880 I'm,

01:13:29.220 it should be scary for all of us.

01:13:30.380 Yeah.

01:13:30.780 Um,

01:13:31.180 I'm glad the men are learning that like,

01:13:33.080 you know,

01:13:33.440 not to be creeps.

01:13:35.140 Um,

01:13:35.340 Oh,

01:13:35.520 so what happened to me?

01:13:36.160 I'm so,

01:13:36.520 this seems like I'm just dodging it.

01:13:37.920 So what happened was,

01:13:38.860 um,

01:13:40.060 so actually,

01:13:41.440 and people,

01:13:42.420 a lot of the timeline,

01:13:43.440 a lot of the stuff that was written just wasn't true.

01:13:46.660 Um,

01:13:47.340 we knew about what was going to happen,

01:13:50.440 um,

01:13:51.660 about these girls who were upset.

01:13:54.060 It was one girl,

01:13:55.380 um,

01:13:55.860 who was upset,

01:13:56.640 uh,

01:13:57.220 before I left the show.

01:13:59.100 And I was like,

01:14:02.000 I was already in LA.

01:14:03.560 Um,

01:14:04.040 my ex and I were already separated.

01:14:05.520 We were doing the show via Skype.

01:14:07.340 She was still in New York.

01:14:08.840 And I was like,

01:14:10.040 why don't I,

01:14:11.080 I'm like,

01:14:11.300 I'm not having fun doing the show anyway.

01:14:12.960 I moved to LA.

01:14:14.420 Why don't I step down and we'll get a co-host and I'll give them a cut of like my money.

01:14:21.400 Um,

01:14:21.800 and I'll still help.

01:14:22.500 I can produce it,

01:14:23.160 whatever.

01:14:23.760 And so that was the plan.

01:14:24.760 So the,

01:14:26.180 the,

01:14:28.020 uh,

01:14:28.460 so my like farewell episode was like this very tearful,

01:14:31.760 um,

01:14:32.980 thing where I'm like,

01:14:33.440 I hope I helped people,

01:14:34.480 whatever.

01:14:36.760 And,

01:14:37.240 and,

01:14:37.460 and,

01:14:37.680 and the girl was like,

01:14:40.460 if he steps down,

01:14:41.360 like I won't do anything.

01:14:43.660 And then the next day she just went like just super hard.

01:14:48.140 And essentially what it was,

01:14:50.300 was I was in a marriage that wasn't working.

01:14:54.680 Um,

01:14:55.640 after 10 years or something,

01:14:58.200 I finally caved,

01:15:00.340 uh,

01:15:00.800 and I cheated.

01:15:01.920 I had this like affair.

01:15:04.460 Uh,

01:15:04.940 I instantly think I'm like in love,

01:15:06.900 uh,

01:15:07.880 cause it was,

01:15:08.860 you know,

01:15:09.400 this young girl and she called me hot and I was like,

01:15:11.820 I've never been called hot.

01:15:12.880 And then,

01:15:13.240 you know,

01:15:13.460 and,

01:15:14.280 uh,

01:15:14.520 she was really cool.

01:15:15.360 And,

01:15:15.960 uh,

01:15:16.540 she,

01:15:17.400 uh,

01:15:18.320 she helped us with the show.

01:15:19.360 Uh,

01:15:19.680 we didn't have like a staff,

01:15:20.800 but she approached us to,

01:15:23.180 she approached me to work for the show.

01:15:25.420 Uh,

01:15:25.840 we start working,

01:15:26.700 she starts working for the show.

01:15:27.760 Then she's like,

01:15:28.460 I should come on the road.

01:15:29.460 I mean,

01:15:29.760 it was like,

01:15:30.920 this was the part I screwed up.

01:15:32.000 It was every cliche.

01:15:33.420 I should have had the guts to get out of a relationship that wasn't working or to keep a friendship.

01:15:38.100 Um,

01:15:39.220 when it clearly wasn't a relationship anymore,

01:15:43.480 it was a partnership.

01:15:44.880 And,

01:15:45.360 and that's where I screwed up.

01:15:46.820 That's the biggest mistake.

01:15:48.240 That is the one thing I will own up to.

01:15:50.980 And it's taken a long time.

01:15:52.140 Cause again,

01:15:52.760 like my girlfriend's parents had to Google me.

01:15:55.840 They're the most wonderful people in the world.

01:15:57.260 They live here in town.

01:15:58.640 Uh,

01:15:59.120 you see the word sexual predator.

01:16:00.980 You see the word abuse.

01:16:02.740 Um,

01:16:03.100 that makes it sound like I put my hands on a woman.

01:16:05.220 That makes it sound like I did something without consent.

01:16:07.260 Um,

01:16:08.360 that is something that still shakes me when I Google me.

01:16:11.860 Um,

01:16:12.220 if anyone looks at this article,

01:16:13.200 please click other things you see that are positive on my Google page.

01:16:16.480 Uh,

01:16:16.960 it's horrible.

01:16:18.420 However,

01:16:19.600 and also when a lot of the stuff you're accused of isn't true,

01:16:22.520 you're like,

01:16:23.240 how am I supposed to learn from this?

01:16:24.820 You know,

01:16:25.220 if I,

01:16:25.680 if I drink and crash a car,

01:16:27.180 I learn,

01:16:27.680 I need to quit drinking.

01:16:28.820 But I'm like,

01:16:29.400 when I didn't even do this,

01:16:30.320 like how am I supposed to become like a better person?

01:16:32.480 But the thing I screwed up was that.

01:16:35.420 So there's this whole affair.

01:16:37.260 I keep trying to end it.

01:16:38.480 I feel bad.

01:16:39.220 This is the first time I'm suicidal.

01:16:40.500 Cause I'm just like,

01:16:41.100 I'm a terrible person.

01:16:42.280 Everyone thinks I'm in this perfect relationship.

01:16:45.160 Uh,

01:16:45.520 every progressive is like,

01:16:46.420 all I want to do is be like you guys.

01:16:47.800 Cause we host this podcast and then we're the cool progressive tattooed couple.

01:16:51.800 Um,

01:16:52.700 and,

01:16:53.400 and of course I would screw it up.

01:16:55.320 Of course,

01:16:55.940 after living out of my car and finally making money and finally having a career,

01:16:59.800 I would find a way to screw it up.

01:17:02.160 You know,

01:17:02.340 I used to joke that because my old podcast never took sponsors or because we weren't on CNN and because we were independently supported and made so much money just from individual sponsors.

01:17:13.100 And I was like,

01:17:13.600 I can never get fired.

01:17:14.720 I'd have to like really screw up to lose this.

01:17:16.720 And I did it.

01:17:17.540 Of course I did it.

01:17:18.480 So I end this and I go,

01:17:21.020 I would rather go back to a loveless marriage than walk around with this shame.

01:17:25.800 And I ended and man,

01:17:27.740 I mean,

01:17:28.260 this is the most I've said,

01:17:29.740 but like looking back,

01:17:30.580 like,

01:17:31.300 I mean,

01:17:31.680 the,

01:17:32.100 the,

01:17:32.480 the woman I was having the affair with,

01:17:33.660 like said while we were together,

01:17:36.260 while I was trying to break it off,

01:17:37.620 like one day I'm going to write a book about this.

01:17:39.280 And in my head,

01:17:39.800 I'm like,

01:17:40.100 I'm not famous enough for that.

01:17:41.740 Uh,

01:17:42.140 so whatever,

01:17:42.620 it's fine.

01:17:44.140 And so then years go by and I was like,

01:17:47.180 just in this partnership.

01:17:48.240 And this friendship marriage,

01:17:49.660 and we were recording the show and the show was so popular and I was depressed,

01:17:53.820 but I kind of thought I deserved it.

01:17:56.320 Um,

01:17:57.660 and then what happens is,

01:18:01.740 uh,

01:18:03.400 my ex-wife and I,

01:18:05.060 it wasn't working.

01:18:06.400 We had a conversation.

01:18:07.280 We almost broke up and we decide to try,

01:18:11.220 uh,

01:18:12.180 like an open relationship,

01:18:13.300 but it's a don't ask,

01:18:14.800 don't tell one,

01:18:15.500 which essentially means that I have to sneak up.

01:18:18.220 I can sneak around like I'm cheating.

01:18:20.960 Um,

01:18:21.320 and it's the same thing all over again.

01:18:24.720 And,

01:18:25.160 uh,

01:18:26.820 and,

01:18:27.120 and,

01:18:27.240 and I wasn't allowed to do anything in New York.

01:18:29.260 So that kind of means like,

01:18:30.260 I can just sleep around on the road essentially.

01:18:32.640 And I'm also like,

01:18:33.760 I'm a relationship guy.

01:18:34.780 I thought I was in love with my first one night stand.

01:18:36.680 I don't like sleeping around.

01:18:38.240 I don't like one night stands.

01:18:40.000 Um,

01:18:40.400 I'm like a dumb romantic.

01:18:42.720 Uh,

01:18:43.440 my friend made a joke to me the other day where he's like,

01:18:45.900 man,

01:18:46.120 people think like,

01:18:47.680 like your,

01:18:48.360 your,

01:18:48.740 your dick got you in trouble,

01:18:49.820 but he's like,

01:18:50.260 it's your stupid heart that got you in trouble.

01:18:52.100 And I was like,

01:18:52.440 kinda.

01:18:53.480 And so this article makes it sound like I was just cheating on my wife the whole time.

01:18:56.600 It doesn't mention that like we were in an open relationship and trying to do this.

01:19:00.000 So the second I go to my ex,

01:19:05.540 I go,

01:19:05.980 we have to say on the show that we're in an open relationship.

01:19:08.360 Cause I feel like a creep.

01:19:09.880 I feel like I'm like sneaking around at shows,

01:19:12.320 you know,

01:19:12.900 uh,

01:19:13.680 it's kind of hard to get a girl when they're like,

01:19:15.740 are you in a relationship?

01:19:16.480 And you're like,

01:19:16.960 I'm in a secret open relationship.

01:19:18.640 Like that sounds like you're lying and you're a scumbag.

01:19:21.840 And again,

01:19:22.680 I was just trying to do everything like above board.

01:19:25.420 Yeah.

01:19:26.100 And,

01:19:26.540 uh,

01:19:27.240 so we announced it on the show and I think it'll be,

01:19:30.000 it'll be cool.

01:19:30.540 Cause I'm like the hardest things in my life I've talked about on the show.

01:19:34.200 And the,

01:19:35.000 the thing that kept me doing that show.

01:19:37.120 And the thing I get the most excited about when I'm doing this current show is when I can talk about my depression.

01:19:42.120 You know,

01:19:42.860 when Robin killed himself,

01:19:44.100 we talked a lot about suicide,

01:19:45.360 um,

01:19:46.220 talked about addiction.

01:19:47.320 And so I'm like,

01:19:48.220 you know what?

01:19:48.640 Open relationships are another kind of new,

01:19:50.740 not really understood thing.

01:19:52.180 I'm sort of struggling with it.

01:19:53.600 Maybe this will be something that helps people too.

01:19:56.360 So we talk about it and man,

01:19:59.260 the,

01:20:00.000 I spent so long being like,

01:20:02.660 hashtag believe all women.

01:20:03.760 If a woman's,

01:20:04.800 uh,

01:20:05.020 if a guy says a woman is like jealous or crazy,

01:20:07.780 he's like lying and being sexist and covering it up.

01:20:10.700 But man,

01:20:11.800 the,

01:20:12.280 like the week of that,

01:20:14.200 we announced we're in an open relationship,

01:20:15.620 even though it was years since I talked to the woman I had an affair with,

01:20:19.180 she goes on this like message board or something to sound like feminist message board and was

01:20:25.460 essentially like,

01:20:26.320 who's been wronged by supposed feminist,

01:20:28.720 Jamie Kilstein.

01:20:29.380 And out of the many women that I've slept with found like one person that was like,

01:20:37.060 he flirted with me on DM.

01:20:39.200 I've never sent like,

01:20:40.780 I've never sent like a naked picture.

01:20:42.180 I'm like the one comedian in the world who has no like scandalous pictures out there.

01:20:44.820 Um,

01:20:46.380 he was on DM.

01:20:47.760 And then another woman said,

01:20:49.440 uh,

01:20:50.960 another woman said that I,

01:20:53.760 she was like,

01:20:55.420 he,

01:20:56.160 he,

01:20:57.320 he,

01:20:57.760 he threatened one of my male friends.

01:21:01.060 Um,

01:21:02.000 what's not mentioned is she told me that guy raped her and I go,

01:21:04.780 do you need me to do something about it?

01:21:06.300 And she said,

01:21:07.000 no.

01:21:07.320 And I said,

01:21:07.700 are you sure?

01:21:08.820 That was it.

01:21:10.140 Um,

01:21:10.500 and then there was another woman who it made it sound in this,

01:21:13.640 uh,

01:21:14.200 Jezebel article.

01:21:14.800 Like I slept with her.

01:21:15.680 We didn't sleep together.

01:21:17.220 Um,

01:21:18.080 we didn't sleep together because before we hooked up,

01:21:21.200 she said,

01:21:21.960 um,

01:21:23.240 she goes,

01:21:23.620 Hey,

01:21:23.720 just so you know,

01:21:24.220 like,

01:21:24.540 I don't want to like sleep with someone on the first date.

01:21:27.580 And so I said,

01:21:28.880 even if you change your mind,

01:21:30.540 like while whatever's happening,

01:21:32.340 I was like,

01:21:32.780 that's the line and we're not going to,

01:21:34.240 and we didn't because I'm not a creep.

01:21:38.140 And she,

01:21:39.720 and in this Jezebel article,

01:21:41.100 so she,

01:21:42.700 she said something like it was the first time I felt safe with a man or

01:21:46.200 something that implied that when we were together,

01:21:47.920 I was decent.

01:21:49.800 Um,

01:21:50.240 and then the Jezebel article goes,

01:21:51.500 but weeks later,

01:21:52.520 uh,

01:21:53.140 he called me a road on his podcast.

01:21:55.640 And then Jezebel,

01:21:56.620 our media in parentheses said Jezebel could not find this quote.

01:22:00.700 And it's like,

01:22:01.340 right.

01:22:01.640 Cause I'm not talking about like slaying road on my feminist podcast with

01:22:06.060 my wife.

01:22:06.800 Like that's an insane thing.

01:22:08.920 But even if all that's true,

01:22:10.940 even if flirting while in an open relationship,

01:22:13.360 having an affair,

01:22:14.760 um,

01:22:16.320 and even if I did this girl's a road,

01:22:18.700 blah,

01:22:18.960 blah,

01:22:19.060 blah.

01:22:19.900 That's me being a jerk.

01:22:22.020 Um,

01:22:22.900 that's not rape.

01:22:23.920 That's not abuse.

01:22:25.060 That's not assault.

01:22:25.920 That's,

01:22:26.840 uh,

01:22:28.160 a lot of people.

01:22:29.540 Uh,

01:22:29.980 it's what a lot,

01:22:30.640 it's what,

01:22:31.220 it's a mistake.

01:22:32.640 Um,

01:22:33.760 but that's it.

01:22:34.980 And that because of who I was and because of all the virtue signaling and the yelling

01:22:43.300 that those accusations,

01:22:45.720 there's nothing else there.

01:22:47.000 You can read the article.

01:22:48.000 Um,

01:22:49.220 I have been treated like I was accused of like legitimate assault and everything was

01:22:56.020 gone.

01:22:56.760 Um,

01:22:57.300 and everything is,

01:22:58.560 I mean,

01:22:58.820 I almost broke when my girlfriend's parents found it.

01:23:02.220 Cause I'm like,

01:23:02.760 it's like six years later or like six or seven years since the affair,

01:23:08.140 three years since the article happened.

01:23:11.040 And it's like,

01:23:12.620 yeah,

01:23:12.820 my Wikipedia,

01:23:13.560 my,

01:23:13.800 like,

01:23:13.960 it still looks like I was just accused of like abuse.

01:23:16.880 What's amazing is,

01:23:18.100 uh,

01:23:18.820 you know,

01:23:19.140 the,

01:23:19.760 um,

01:23:20.200 the human mind forgetfulness is a good thing.

01:23:23.980 No,

01:23:24.420 no time,

01:23:25.300 uh,

01:23:26.380 makes every,

01:23:27.160 all of our memories a little more soft.

01:23:29.640 Um,

01:23:30.160 and they just passed a law in,

01:23:31.800 uh,

01:23:32.120 the EU about the right to be forgotten.

01:23:35.280 Yeah.

01:23:35.900 And the things like this,

01:23:37.540 you know,

01:23:38.420 what's on my page,

01:23:40.000 what's on your page,

01:23:41.300 what's on somebody's page,

01:23:43.060 what they did when they were 16 years old.

01:23:45.180 Yep.

01:23:45.880 You know what we change and that we have a right to have those things not be lived every

01:23:52.220 single day for the rest of our lives.

01:23:54.600 My,

01:23:55.300 uh,

01:23:56.200 my dad,

01:23:57.700 I love to death.

01:23:59.280 Um,

01:24:00.240 you know,

01:24:00.460 I told him I was doing this show and I was like,

01:24:03.620 I was like,

01:24:04.080 yeah,

01:24:04.300 we really like agree that like a lot of our rhetoric in the past was like toxic.

01:24:07.640 And we want to come together and teach people to like,

01:24:09.880 you know,

01:24:10.220 talk to each other like humans.

01:24:11.140 My dad's like,

01:24:11.520 that's so great.

01:24:12.040 That's so great.

01:24:12.760 And then did like a Google search of you.

01:24:14.620 And then like wrote me back like five minutes later and was like,

01:24:17.280 I don't think you should do this show because it will take the worst thing you've ever said

01:24:21.700 in context or out and same with me.

01:24:24.060 And you know,

01:24:24.540 if I want to get rid of,

01:24:25.980 if I want to clean up my Google page,

01:24:27.780 I either need to start getting gigs or it was like $3,000,

01:24:32.920 $5,000.

01:24:33.620 Like a month.

01:24:35.240 And like,

01:24:35.940 you can hire people to do it.

01:24:37.460 And it's like,

01:24:37.880 this is crazy.

01:24:39.240 You just did a podcast on,

01:24:40.920 um,

01:24:42.020 Epstein.

01:24:42.540 Oh my God.

01:24:43.160 Yeah.

01:24:43.860 Tell me what your thoughts are on this.

01:24:45.660 I mean,

01:24:46.160 my thoughts,

01:24:47.360 look,

01:24:47.600 I've never been a conspiracy guy.

01:24:49.240 I've,

01:24:49.840 I've,

01:24:50.160 I think that's how a lot of people feel right now,

01:24:52.660 where all of my reasonable friends,

01:24:55.880 I,

01:24:56.160 I never thought nine 11 was an inside job.

01:24:59.040 I never,

01:24:59.900 when I saw the Epstein news,

01:25:01.540 I was suddenly like,

01:25:02.640 did we even land on the moon?

01:25:03.720 Like suddenly I,

01:25:05.140 I became every insane,

01:25:07.900 uh,

01:25:08.900 caricature of a conspiracy guy.

01:25:10.620 And the,

01:25:11.840 what's crazy to me is watching like this monster of a man is somehow bringing the right and left together.

01:25:21.580 Where I think the one thing we all agree on,

01:25:24.540 like some people think maybe it was Clinton.

01:25:26.780 Some people think maybe it's Trump,

01:25:28.100 but suddenly for the first time in 2019,

01:25:30.740 conservatives and liberals are both like something,

01:25:33.360 but like homeboy was murdered.

01:25:34.280 Right.

01:25:34.700 You know what I mean?

01:25:35.320 Like they're definitely,

01:25:36.640 did you see the autopsy?

01:25:38.140 I saw,

01:25:38.820 Oh,

01:25:38.960 about the broken neck.

01:25:40.160 I just saw that.

01:25:41.160 Okay.

01:25:41.280 So it's,

01:25:42.480 he,

01:25:42.800 he hung himself with paper sheets.

01:25:46.120 Yeah.

01:25:46.600 Paper sheets.

01:25:47.420 Yeah.

01:25:48.060 Broke his neck in several places.

01:25:50.440 The,

01:25:51.360 the breaks are consistent with strangulation.

01:25:53.720 They can happen when you're hanging yourself,

01:25:56.000 but with a paper sheet,

01:25:58.420 not with that impact.

01:25:58.820 So I just saw a special forces guy post about that,

01:26:02.280 about how the impact is much more aligned with some,

01:26:05.600 with,

01:26:05.720 with someone who got their neck broken.

01:26:08.560 Right.

01:26:08.680 Also,

01:26:09.040 I've been,

01:26:10.100 uh,

01:26:11.160 I've been suicidal before and I,

01:26:13.220 I couldn't even read on the internet.

01:26:15.340 I couldn't even look up like a loop knot without being able to figure it out.

01:26:18.100 And I was like crying.

01:26:19.280 Cause I'm like,

01:26:19.640 I'm not even gonna be able to kill me.

01:26:20.440 I'm not even gonna kill myself.

01:26:20.800 Right.

01:26:21.300 Like,

01:26:21.720 let alone.

01:26:22.840 So like,

01:26:23.500 I got empathy.

01:26:24.120 Like it is hard work,

01:26:25.440 um,

01:26:26.180 to do that.

01:26:27.460 Right.

01:26:27.880 Uh,

01:26:28.120 but it is,

01:26:29.540 it's so scary.

01:26:30.460 And it's,

01:26:31.220 it's also one of those moments it's bringing people together because everyone loves a conspiracy

01:26:35.260 theory.

01:26:36.160 Um,

01:26:36.700 this is literally playing out like a movie,

01:26:38.820 but it's also one of those moments where I'm seeing conservatives be like,

01:26:43.960 if Trump or Republicans are involved,

01:26:47.640 then like I'm distant,

01:26:49.740 I'm out.

01:26:50.140 I see Democrats being like,

01:26:51.780 if Clinton's involved,

01:26:52.700 I'm out.

01:26:53.260 And it's one of those moments where it's not a liberal issue.

01:26:56.740 It's not a conservative issue,

01:26:57.880 but it's like a powerful person issue where it's when you see people have so much power

01:27:03.180 that this guy has just been taught.

01:27:05.040 Like,

01:27:05.160 I don't know if he's a liberal Democrat or conservative,

01:27:07.280 I don't care.

01:27:08.240 Um,

01:27:08.440 but he was just so powerful and so untouchable that he was torturing and literally had like

01:27:13.380 an Island where he raped underage women,

01:27:15.580 allegedly,

01:27:16.260 probably allegedly.

01:27:17.700 Um,

01:27:18.200 and,

01:27:19.140 and that he got away with it and that he had powerful friends on both sides of the

01:27:22.740 aisle.

01:27:23.260 It's a lot of times people can come together and realize that like,

01:27:26.420 Oh,

01:27:26.700 it's the same people screwing over all of us.

01:27:28.720 And it's not it to me.

01:27:29.900 It's not just that he did it and got away with it.

01:27:33.840 It's that he did it and then,

01:27:36.880 uh,

01:27:37.820 got away with it to where he had special dispensation in the court system.

01:27:44.060 And then once he's in prison,

01:27:47.080 somebody from the outside can get in and kill him.

01:27:50.840 Yeah.

01:27:51.380 Somebody,

01:27:51.940 I mean,

01:27:52.540 when he was,

01:27:53.180 I mean,

01:27:53.300 when Jeffrey Dahmer was shivved,

01:27:55.040 you're like,

01:27:55.640 of course I get that.

01:27:56.660 Right.

01:27:56.960 If he would,

01:27:57.780 right.

01:27:58.120 And if he would have been shivved in general pop,

01:28:00.780 you'd be like,

01:28:01.400 of course he was a child rapist.

01:28:03.280 But,

01:28:03.680 and also remember this is different.

01:28:05.040 Yes.

01:28:05.260 And especially because Epstein was suicidal before.

01:28:07.620 So even if he wasn't this huge,

01:28:10.140 I mean,

01:28:10.500 he should have a ton of scrutiny because of who he is,

01:28:13.820 um,

01:28:14.260 and,

01:28:14.660 and,

01:28:14.760 and extra surveillance,

01:28:15.780 but he was also suicidal.

01:28:17.100 He should have been on suicide watch.

01:28:18.880 Um,

01:28:19.760 it is so creepy.

01:28:22.460 This whole story is so.

01:28:24.200 Did you,

01:28:24.960 uh,

01:28:25.100 today I read on,

01:28:26.640 uh,

01:28:27.040 the radio,

01:28:27.740 uh,

01:28:28.920 the verbatim text,

01:28:31.500 uh,

01:28:32.540 with an interviewer from New York magazine with,

01:28:35.940 with his Russian MMA fighter bodyguard.

01:28:39.600 Oh my God.

01:28:40.120 Okay.

01:28:40.560 Yeah.

01:28:40.860 So this guy,

01:28:41.800 I mean,

01:28:42.040 when you read it,

01:28:42.700 it is total broken language.

01:28:44.400 Look,

01:28:44.940 I don't know what's saying here.

01:28:46.760 Okay.

01:28:47.400 Yeah.

01:28:47.680 Um,

01:28:48.340 and he's on the record in a 2015,

01:28:52.140 uh,

01:28:53.400 interview that was on the record,

01:28:54.800 but never published.

01:28:55.840 Okay.

01:28:56.240 Okay.

01:28:56.580 So they have the transcript of what he said then.

01:28:59.220 Okay.

01:28:59.840 And then the reporter says,

01:29:01.720 Oh,

01:29:01.920 well now he's dead.

01:29:03.140 I can publish this and I want to see if I get more from him.

01:29:06.240 Right.

01:29:06.640 So he calls him up and he's like,

01:29:08.020 don't know what you're talking about.

01:29:09.580 And he's like,

01:29:09.940 no,

01:29:10.120 you said this,

01:29:11.120 this,

01:29:11.280 and this.

01:29:11.740 I never said no,

01:29:12.860 I never said.

01:29:13.760 And then the last probably two minutes of the interview are like,

01:29:17.900 you're smarter than this.

01:29:19.140 Don't,

01:29:19.580 I don't have conversation like this on phone.

01:29:21.980 Whoa.

01:29:22.380 Be careful.

01:29:23.220 What are you saying?

01:29:24.640 Well,

01:29:24.760 it's like,

01:29:25.360 when I thought it couldn't be more like a movie,

01:29:27.560 they inserted a generic Russian MMA bodyguard.

01:29:31.500 I will say this.

01:29:33.660 I was a little rose colored glasses when I was saying how this is.

01:29:40.580 Dividing tribalism like tribes.

01:29:43.620 I did the first episode I did on Epstein when he got arrested.

01:29:49.200 I had a couple of liberals right in.

01:29:51.180 I had one even like cancel their Patreon membership because I lumped in

01:29:55.260 Clinton with Trump.

01:29:58.160 And I think,

01:29:59.600 and I would say to your listeners,

01:30:00.680 to any conservatives,

01:30:01.500 listening as well.

01:30:03.340 If you are so partisan where you have a,

01:30:10.580 I think you,

01:30:11.320 I think you still have to say alleged,

01:30:12.500 right?

01:30:12.680 Even though he's dead,

01:30:13.360 alleged child rapist that if the dude on your team,

01:30:17.120 if you find out that guy was friends with or knew him or knew what was

01:30:22.360 happening and you're still going to be like,

01:30:24.980 it's my guy,

01:30:25.900 you know,

01:30:26.240 like this isn't like your favorite football team.

01:30:29.180 And you found out like the owner has like gambling debts.

01:30:31.480 Like we have to get to a point where when something this horrible happens,

01:30:36.800 if it's a Democrat or if it's a Republican,

01:30:40.120 we can show our values.

01:30:42.280 It's a human issue.

01:30:44.360 It's a human issue.

01:30:45.720 And it doesn't mean,

01:30:47.180 look,

01:30:47.780 just because Bill Clinton was on the plane with him and he has a history of fooling around.

01:30:53.280 Yeah.

01:30:53.460 That doesn't mean he even knew about child rape.

01:30:57.100 No.

01:30:57.580 You know what I mean?

01:30:58.140 And there's a different things like in very different.

01:31:01.120 Correct.

01:31:01.820 Very different thing.

01:31:03.400 Same thing.

01:31:04.100 Well,

01:31:04.200 you know,

01:31:04.360 people have said,

01:31:05.280 well,

01:31:05.440 Donald Trump had a party with him and cheerleaders at Mar-a-Lago.

01:31:09.960 Okay.

01:31:10.560 Were they high school cheerleaders?

01:31:12.260 Because if they were high school cheerleaders,

01:31:14.580 that's bad.

01:31:15.300 It's a mighty big jump.

01:31:16.460 It's a very right.

01:31:17.960 So you,

01:31:18.600 you don't want to condemn anyone on this,

01:31:21.620 but you also,

01:31:23.280 you also,

01:31:24.540 if it is your guy,

01:31:25.860 if it is your side,

01:31:27.120 if there is corruption,

01:31:28.940 my side should be truth,

01:31:33.680 justice,

01:31:34.120 and the American way.

01:31:35.320 Well,

01:31:35.780 and I'm sure we're going to get more into this in the podcast,

01:31:38.720 but that's,

01:31:39.600 that's one of the biggest problems now.

01:31:42.580 Like we're not mourning the victims.

01:31:45.240 We're not mourning the women.

01:31:47.000 Instead,

01:31:47.880 a lot of us are rushing to how can we tie it to Clinton or how can we tie it to

01:31:52.500 Trump?

01:31:53.060 And we just get excited and play Twitter.

01:31:57.240 Like it's a video game when it's like,

01:31:59.300 yo,

01:31:59.500 there were a lot of real girls who were hurt and we just get so frothed.

01:32:05.320 Nothing at the mouth and our heart racing where it's,

01:32:07.520 can I pin it on the politician?

01:32:09.280 I don't like,

01:32:09.900 does this fit my anti-Trump agenda?

01:32:11.880 Does this fit my anti-Clinton agenda?

01:32:14.040 Instead of taking a moment just to be like,

01:32:16.900 wow,

01:32:17.200 this is terrible.

01:32:18.600 What happened?

01:32:19.180 And it's,

01:32:19.520 it's be to me.

01:32:21.300 It's not just what happened.

01:32:24.820 Yeah.

01:32:25.600 It's what apparently may be happening right now.

01:32:31.040 Right.

01:32:31.680 Who the hell has that kind of power?

01:32:33.620 How far off the scale?

01:32:35.780 I mean,

01:32:36.000 yeah,

01:32:36.280 I've never been a guy who's doubted our FBI.

01:32:39.880 I mean,

01:32:40.100 current FBI,

01:32:41.440 you know,

01:32:42.600 J Edgar Hoover.

01:32:43.540 That guy in a league of his own.

01:32:45.360 Yeah.

01:32:45.700 That's a different story.

01:32:46.680 But in,

01:32:47.740 in our general,

01:32:48.860 in my general lifetime,

01:32:50.280 I believe generally the cops and the FBI,

01:32:53.900 even though I know there are really bad cops,

01:32:56.380 you know,

01:32:57.000 blah,

01:32:57.180 blah,

01:32:57.280 blah.

01:32:57.380 I'm not sure now.

01:33:00.280 I have a friend,

01:33:01.100 Patrick Byrne.

01:33:02.680 He's the CEO of Overstock.

01:33:05.980 Okay.

01:33:06.280 Strong libertarian.

01:33:07.540 Sure.

01:33:07.780 Kind of guy.

01:33:08.660 He does,

01:33:09.220 he,

01:33:09.580 he doesn't like Clinton.

01:33:11.040 He doesn't like Trump.

01:33:11.960 Okay.

01:33:12.400 He has no horse in this race,

01:33:16.740 but he found himself in the middle of the Trump FBI investigation and the Clinton FBI investigation.

01:33:26.360 And he's just come out and said,

01:33:29.560 uh,

01:33:30.760 yeah,

01:33:31.100 I have,

01:33:32.160 I have some information that this was all politic.

01:33:36.400 All of this,

01:33:37.260 both of these were just about politics and not about the truth.

01:33:42.080 I know him.

01:33:43.700 I've pieced together enough of the Trump thing that I know of.

01:33:48.320 So he is in the center.

01:33:50.280 I can't figure out the Clinton thing yet.

01:33:52.240 Yeah.

01:33:52.600 He's not saying,

01:33:53.580 but I think anytime there are just women involved,

01:33:56.200 people were like,

01:33:56.680 ah,

01:33:56.900 Bill was there.

01:33:58.040 Yeah,

01:33:58.180 no,

01:33:58.480 but it was,

01:33:59.080 it was,

01:33:59.820 this is,

01:34:01.100 if this is true,

01:34:03.140 he says it's the biggest scandal in American history.

01:34:05.660 Cause it's,

01:34:06.380 it's about the justice department.

01:34:09.740 I,

01:34:10.180 I,

01:34:10.640 is this who we are?

01:34:12.360 Are we going to allow,

01:34:14.260 can we come together enough to go,

01:34:16.480 wait,

01:34:17.520 I don't care who goes down.

01:34:19.940 Yeah.

01:34:20.660 That has to be cleaned up.

01:34:22.160 Cause if the justice department goes bad,

01:34:24.640 we're all screwed.

01:34:25.580 This is too much.

01:34:26.440 I mean,

01:34:26.700 and it was a problem.

01:34:28.840 I mean,

01:34:29.160 forget,

01:34:30.200 let's say Clinton and Trump didn't even know this guy.

01:34:32.300 When you look at how he was treated in the court systems in Florida,

01:34:36.920 I think where,

01:34:38.620 I mean,

01:34:40.140 they acted like he just got a jaywalking.

01:34:42.380 So here's one of the,

01:34:43.400 like leave jail to like do like work.

01:34:46.120 And so the system failed far before this,

01:34:50.120 like,

01:34:50.500 Oh yeah.

01:34:50.880 Hang hang.

01:34:51.580 Oh yeah.

01:34:51.760 It was already,

01:34:52.760 they were just like young foreign girls.

01:34:55.100 Right.

01:34:55.300 Didn't care about them.

01:34:56.060 And this is a powerful dude who's well connected and tied to,

01:34:58.920 you know,

01:34:59.380 who gets that kind of a jail sentence.

01:35:01.860 Okay.

01:35:02.300 Nobody,

01:35:02.920 nobody.

01:35:03.520 And the,

01:35:04.400 the Russian said in the first interview,

01:35:07.740 yeah,

01:35:08.260 police,

01:35:09.200 police know all about it.

01:35:11.300 They would call.

01:35:12.560 I was supposed to bring him back at night,

01:35:14.480 but they would call night before and say,

01:35:17.220 we're only going to check on you at 8am tomorrow morning.

01:35:20.880 Wow.

01:35:21.340 And so I would drive him back at 6am.

01:35:24.680 Wow.

01:35:25.360 I mean,

01:35:26.220 he was talking about how the cops were coordinating with him.

01:35:30.580 That's like the dad who has a kid.

01:35:32.320 And like after the divorce is trying to like make up for it and just be

01:35:35.180 like,

01:35:35.380 yeah,

01:35:35.460 you can drink when I go to bed.

01:35:37.100 I'm going to sleep.

01:35:39.140 That's,

01:35:39.660 that's insane.

01:35:41.240 And again,

01:35:42.140 just to bring it back to social media,

01:35:44.680 to bring it back to Twitter.

01:35:45.640 I mean,

01:35:46.120 I'm glad that this is so,

01:35:48.140 so horrific that people are like,

01:35:51.940 not going to stand for it,

01:35:53.860 you know,

01:35:54.160 stand by it and are going to force the mainstream media.

01:35:56.840 So cover it,

01:35:57.840 I think.

01:35:59.720 But I also think a lot of it's for the wrong reasons.

01:36:02.780 They just want their guy to go down.

01:36:04.420 You're an alcoholic.

01:36:05.900 Yeah.

01:36:06.520 Yeah.

01:36:06.960 So I think I'm like,

01:36:10.080 probably,

01:36:10.380 probably.

01:36:11.460 Yes.

01:36:12.780 Here's the,

01:36:13.300 here's the thing.

01:36:14.040 If you're questioning it.

01:36:15.300 Yeah.

01:36:15.760 Probably pretty.

01:36:16.560 Yeah.

01:36:16.760 I should probably stay away from it.

01:36:17.740 I'm going to go stick with the water.

01:36:18.940 I think starting in around 2003.

01:36:23.360 Um,

01:36:24.100 you know what?

01:36:26.140 Alcoholics are going to save the world.

01:36:28.100 It's going to be alcoholics.

01:36:29.600 That's great.

01:36:29.760 The world.

01:36:30.640 Because we know where our bottom is.

01:36:33.380 Right.

01:36:33.880 You know what I mean?

01:36:34.620 I hit the bottom.

01:36:35.580 I'm like,

01:36:35.860 okay,

01:36:36.280 I don't go there.

01:36:37.780 Yeah.

01:36:37.960 And you know,

01:36:39.040 if you're going to build it back up and you're going to not be as miserable as you were,

01:36:44.140 you better build it on truth.

01:36:46.440 I hit my bottom on this culture a while ago.

01:36:50.720 Yeah.

01:36:50.920 And everything that's happening.

01:36:53.020 You have.

01:36:53.920 Yes.

01:36:55.860 Where's America's bottom?

01:36:57.160 Cause they're scaring me.

01:36:58.600 It might be death.

01:36:59.600 I would say like the child rapist being pretend suicided in a jail cell could be like,

01:37:05.260 could be part of it.

01:37:06.660 Could be part of it.

01:37:07.680 I love that.

01:37:08.720 Wouldn't that scare you though?

01:37:10.120 You know,

01:37:10.380 Rudyard Kipling wrote,

01:37:12.340 he wrote this great poem about the gods of the copybook headings,

01:37:15.360 which is an old timey way of saying there are certain truths,

01:37:19.180 you know,

01:37:19.620 water will wet,

01:37:20.520 fire will burn.

01:37:21.900 And this poem is all about how societies forget those things and deny that they're not true because

01:37:27.640 they want the beautiful things the marketplace promises.

01:37:30.460 And the end is there are only four things that are true since social progress began that the

01:37:38.120 sow returns to her Meyer and the dog returns to his vomit.

01:37:45.920 And it's,

01:37:47.260 I can't remember the joining line,

01:37:49.520 but it is after,

01:37:52.980 after we pass through the time when no man has to pay for his sins.

01:37:59.260 Yeah.

01:37:59.560 And we deny everything,

01:38:01.780 the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter return,

01:38:06.020 meaning you'll go so far that it will,

01:38:10.320 it will be horrific things that wake people back up.

01:38:15.780 Yeah.

01:38:16.320 Is this horrific enough?

01:38:18.140 I mean,

01:38:18.840 I think it is.

01:38:19.880 I think the problem is one of the problems is again,

01:38:24.300 social media kind of treats it like it's a video game.

01:38:26.520 So it's really easy to remove yourself from what's actually happening.

01:38:32.340 Right.

01:38:32.840 So I know we're gonna talk about this later,

01:38:34.700 but if I was attacking you or attacking someone on Twitter,

01:38:37.400 I didn't see you as like a person.

01:38:39.540 I saw you as a Twitter icon and a Twitter bio.

01:38:42.820 Right.

01:38:43.700 And I think a lot of times people do it as a defense mechanism where things can

01:38:47.820 get so bad that they do treat it like a video game or they try to make it

01:38:51.680 about them or they gossip about it.

01:38:53.320 Or for me,

01:38:53.740 like I make jokes about it.

01:38:55.340 I think that people are hitting their rock bottoms kind of individually.

01:39:01.140 I think that liberals who saw that maybe trying to cancel people who misspoke

01:39:10.700 or mistweeted may have led to.

01:39:15.360 Depersoning.

01:39:16.000 Yep.

01:39:16.320 That may have led to Donald Trump,

01:39:18.620 maybe part of it.

01:39:19.460 Oh yeah.

01:39:19.720 I think that a lot of Republicans are seeing how far extreme factions on the

01:39:25.540 right have gone and they're kind of walking things back.

01:39:28.360 And I think that I hope that conversations like this and that people trying to

01:39:33.480 reach out to both sides are kind of the,

01:39:36.420 the AA meetings,

01:39:37.740 the where we're trying to bring all of those kind of disenfranchised right and

01:39:42.980 left in together because the majority of people you go online and you're like,

01:39:47.840 we're all going to die.

01:39:48.560 You walk outside and it's just like birds chirping,

01:39:51.660 people walking their dogs and you're,

01:39:53.720 you're kind of like,

01:39:54.860 maybe we're okay.

01:39:56.040 You know,

01:39:56.520 when I have a conversation with a conservative in real life,

01:40:00.820 it's great.

01:40:03.300 Three years ago,

01:40:04.100 I would have assumed we would be getting into a fist fight.

01:40:06.520 I mean,

01:40:06.640 I think I literally challenged Jonah Goldberg that Jonah.

01:40:09.340 Yeah.

01:40:09.560 Jonah got tough to a fight and like Huffington post covered it.

01:40:12.520 It was only the front page of Huffington post.

01:40:14.260 It was like me with all my dumb tattoos.

01:40:15.960 I think you would have won.

01:40:16.940 Yeah.

01:40:17.260 Well,

01:40:17.440 yeah,

01:40:17.620 I would have won.

01:40:18.580 But I tried to be,

01:40:19.460 I tried to be like,

01:40:20.000 he has size on me.

01:40:20.780 It's fine.

01:40:21.160 But like,

01:40:21.800 that's where I was.

01:40:23.360 And you know,

01:40:24.100 did I really want to fight the guy or did I think it would get clicks?

01:40:27.100 I thought it would get clicks.

01:40:28.080 You know,

01:40:28.500 I didn't think he was going to fight.

01:40:29.380 I think we see each other.

01:40:30.200 I used to say we see each other's cartoons,

01:40:31.860 but I think you're right.

01:40:34.560 We see each other's avatars.

01:40:36.160 We're not people anymore.

01:40:37.580 We're just this little icon.

01:40:39.240 Yep.

01:40:39.500 And you,

01:40:39.680 and you have your team right next to you,

01:40:41.780 you know,

01:40:42.220 if you're L or if you're R and then the other team knows,

01:40:46.560 well,

01:40:46.740 they're the bad guy.

01:40:47.780 They're the ones to attack.

01:40:49.580 And maybe I've just been friends with conservatives for a little while.

01:40:53.780 So I still have like the,

01:40:54.980 I'm in like the rose colored glasses phase.

01:40:57.040 But right now I have had a lot more.

01:40:59.040 I mean,

01:40:59.180 even my podcast,

01:41:00.380 even the Patreon,

01:41:01.900 I've had conservatives write in and be like,

01:41:03.720 here's money.

01:41:04.460 I don't agree with you,

01:41:05.460 but don't change for me.

01:41:06.580 And I've had liberals cancel because I'm like,

01:41:08.600 was Clinton hanging out with,

01:41:09.680 you know,

01:41:10.480 child rape Island guy.

01:41:12.380 And maybe that's just because those were the kinds of liberals who liked me.

01:41:16.300 And,

01:41:16.580 you know,

01:41:16.720 I don't,

01:41:17.260 I don't,

01:41:17.740 cause I,

01:41:18.140 I really,

01:41:19.060 I,

01:41:19.440 I want you to come back at some point.

01:41:21.360 I just,

01:41:21.680 I just want to go through the bill of rights with you.

01:41:23.620 Cause I bet you,

01:41:25.200 I bet you,

01:41:25.680 you would agree with at least nine out of the 10.

01:41:28.800 Sure.

01:41:29.000 Um,

01:41:30.560 so what are we,

01:41:31.460 right?

01:41:32.040 So what are we arguing about?

01:41:34.220 What is it we're arguing about?

01:41:36.020 Because I think real conservatives progressive is a early 20th century idea that was going to take us without the revolution of 1918.

01:41:48.020 Yeah.

01:41:48.920 To this utopian socialist kind of world.

01:41:52.060 Yeah.

01:41:52.420 That Woodrow Wilson hated the declaration of independence and said the constitution is irrelevant and doesn't work either.

01:41:59.180 I don't think the liberals that I know,

01:42:03.160 they don't believe that they believe in the bill of rights.

01:42:05.800 Yes.

01:42:06.160 But neither party is actually standing up for the bill of rights.

01:42:11.820 And because of that,

01:42:13.460 we're violating all kinds of stuff.

01:42:15.940 Yes.

01:42:16.360 And that's why it's not working.

01:42:18.780 I think so much of it has to do with conversation with one,

01:42:22.080 not talking to people who disagree with us,

01:42:23.620 but two,

01:42:24.340 in the way we talk about it,

01:42:25.640 because we are in a soundbite culture with the news.

01:42:28.500 We see it with the democratic debates,

01:42:29.820 right?

01:42:30.640 A bunch of people on the left got mad that Bernie Sanders was on Joe Rogan's.

01:42:33.900 It was phenomenal because it was a candidate having time to talk about his views without just screaming and yelling in a 30 second soundbite.

01:42:43.940 I mean,

01:42:44.220 you've done cable news.

01:42:45.400 I've done cable news.

01:42:46.440 You do not have a lot of time to talk.

01:42:48.300 And they,

01:42:48.660 and if you got a question that you don't want to talk about,

01:42:51.800 they tell you how to pivot it.

01:42:53.080 You know,

01:42:53.480 like that's what politicians do.

01:42:54.920 Like,

01:42:55.140 well,

01:42:55.400 we could talk about my Island girl scandal,

01:42:57.860 but what the people want to talk about is taxes and then they'll,

01:43:00.520 you know,

01:43:00.760 whatever they'll go into their BS spiel.

01:43:02.820 So it's the way we talk about things.

01:43:04.520 I think that for me being liberal,

01:43:08.520 I,

01:43:09.200 I want people to have,

01:43:11.440 let's raise it this way.

01:43:13.060 When I list the things that I am for every conservative watching is probably going to be like,

01:43:18.700 who wouldn't be for that?

01:43:19.660 Right?

01:43:19.880 So like,

01:43:20.440 I want people to have healthcare.

01:43:22.600 I don't want people to die because they get sick.

01:43:24.720 I want people to have access to food,

01:43:26.540 to education.

01:43:27.940 I think teachers should make a living wage.

01:43:31.060 Pretty simple things.

01:43:32.100 I don't think we should attack countries unless we are in danger.

01:43:35.680 When those troops come back,

01:43:36.820 however,

01:43:37.300 even if I disagreed with the war,

01:43:38.600 I think they should be taken care of.

01:43:40.300 I think we need to focus on mental health in this country.

01:43:42.460 You know,

01:43:43.740 pretty generic,

01:43:46.240 just like decent person things.

01:43:48.480 What I'm,

01:43:49.260 what I'm realizing in the conversation that doesn't happen is that a lot of,

01:43:54.620 I assumed that no conservatives wanted that.

01:43:56.660 So for example,

01:43:57.600 it's insane.

01:43:58.460 So if you were against universal healthcare,

01:44:00.920 my thought is you want people to die because I was told universal healthcare is the way.

01:44:06.760 And so I was like,

01:44:07.620 well,

01:44:07.720 I guess you just want kids to die.

01:44:09.500 After talking to conservatives,

01:44:10.800 you learn it's like,

01:44:11.800 no,

01:44:11.960 they don't trust the government because the government screws a lot of things up.

01:44:15.660 So they don't want the government being in charge of their healthcare.

01:44:17.940 Not only that,

01:44:19.160 when the government is the cop and the robber,

01:44:24.640 who do you call?

01:44:26.940 Yeah.

01:44:27.300 When,

01:44:27.520 when it's,

01:44:28.140 when I have a private institution and they're screwing people over,

01:44:32.420 I know I can call the government and the press,

01:44:35.220 but if the government,

01:44:36.880 the press,

01:44:37.700 uh,

01:44:38.640 and the police are all that are running everything,

01:44:41.720 there's no one to run to.

01:44:43.460 Well,

01:44:43.620 so that's the problem though,

01:44:44.480 is that a lot of these private corporations haven't been held accountable.

01:44:47.840 I know,

01:44:48.060 you know,

01:44:48.340 like that's not capitalism or constitutionalism.

01:44:51.840 And this is what I'm talking about.

01:44:53.000 So if we realize that we have the same goals,

01:44:56.700 then we should be able to call out the,

01:44:59.240 the left should be able to call out the government and the right should be able to call these private corporate corporations.

01:45:03.080 Because both have taken advantage of regular people,

01:45:06.800 right?

01:45:07.060 The health insurance company,

01:45:08.100 when,

01:45:08.500 when your only goal is profit for shareholders,

01:45:11.260 you're not going to get the best treatment.

01:45:12.820 But when you're just leaving it up to the government and it's all covered in bureaucracy,

01:45:16.500 you're also not going to get the best treatment.

01:45:18.400 So why can't the right and the left come together and be like,

01:45:22.440 both of these people do not have our best interests.

01:45:25.340 What can we do?

01:45:26.160 How can we take the best from this and the best from that?

01:45:29.160 What will bring you back to this?

01:45:32.100 Will you come back and invite?

01:45:33.820 Yeah.

01:45:34.100 An invite.

01:45:34.640 And I'm there.

01:45:35.080 You're invited to come back.

01:45:36.160 Yeah.

01:45:36.320 I really enjoyed this.

01:45:37.620 Thank you so much.

01:45:38.460 Thank you for this.

01:45:39.240 Thank you.

01:45:39.540 Just a reminder.

01:45:46.780 I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:46:00.380 Thank you.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 07, 2019

Ep 49 ｜ The Far-Left Feminist Disowned by His Own ｜ Jamie Kilstein ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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