The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 51 ｜ Over-Regulation Ends Freedom ｜ Philip K. Howard ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to the podcast. Today, I want to explore something. We live in a society so far

00:00:04.880 from what our founders envisioned that you, the individual American, have the freedom to make

00:00:11.420 choices about the way you want to live your life every single day. We're not that country. We spend

00:00:17.140 our time now trudging through red tape rules and regulations so much so that it is suffocating

00:00:23.040 the God-given individual constitutional freedoms. Our parties in Washington can't and won't

00:00:29.960 fix the problem. Neither side. They're part of the D.C. bureaucracy that has become nothing more

00:00:35.440 than a giant rule book where all of us, in some way or another, are living in infraction. So where

00:00:42.200 do we begin? How do we even begin to fix this? Well, I know I can sit down with people who even

00:00:48.600 disagree with me, and it feels like after a while we could fix it in two days. Well, that's called

00:00:54.840 common sense, and we don't have an awful lot of that anymore. Today, I sit down with the author

00:00:59.140 of a book called Try Common Sense. He is not only the one who is really frustrated with today's

00:01:05.540 political system, just like you, but he is frustrated with both the left and the right,

00:01:10.680 and he has decided to do something about it. He is trying to develop a clear plan for how we can

00:01:16.180 return to the kind of democratic responsibility and efficiency that our founders intended.

00:01:21.520 Today's podcast, Radical Thinking About Radical Change with Philip Howard.

00:01:29.140 Philip, I have to tell you, I feel like the audience is going to say, I want that so much,

00:01:52.320 but they will feel like they're on the other side of the glass with absolutely no way to get it.

00:01:59.140 Because common sense is not a part of our life anymore.

00:02:08.660 That's right. It's been banned by Washington, and Washington is this isolated foreign entity, 0.78

00:02:18.180 as if some force from outer space came and started dictating how to behave and how to do this or that.

00:02:26.900 And people have kind of lost any sense of how they can use their hands again, how they can grab hold of a problem and solve it.

00:02:36.900 We used to, let me tell you this story. My son, in my house, in my house, raised by me,

00:02:44.500 we were watching the original producers, the Mel Brooks film, you know, Springtime for Hitler.

00:02:50.740 And he was probably 13 at the time, and he said, Dad, how did the government ever allow this to be made?

00:02:59.440 I stopped the movie and I said, say that to me again. We have gone from a country where, yeah, where the fence was to keep the bad guys out,

00:03:12.720 and you could do whatever you wanted inside here. Just don't break these rules. You know what I mean?

00:03:19.540 Now, you're in here. Everything has a rule. Everything has a rule. And it's all basically telling you you can't do that without permission.

00:03:29.260 That's right. And so the fundamental difference between the Soviet culture and the American culture that's described by the great people who wrote about this,

00:03:40.160 Hayek, Havel, and others, is that in America, you had a system of law and government that prescribed bad things,

00:03:50.440 but left you free to otherwise lead your life. In the Soviet Union, you weren't allowed to do anything unless it was permitted.

00:03:59.260 And what's happened, almost without our noticing when it happened, it's like the pot slowly getting hot or something.

00:04:07.680 In the last 50 years, we went from a system in which government got involved to protect bad things to a system where now you can't do anything unless the government says you can do it.

00:04:21.500 It's really just the damnedest.

00:04:23.180 I have a I have an extensive collection of American history. And after the podcast, maybe I'll take you up to one of our vaults.

00:04:29.920 I have an old it's made out of cloth, but it's a target of a bear, a teddy bear done by Teddy Roosevelt.

00:04:38.620 And it was made for schools because he wanted to put shooting in every school.

00:04:45.540 He wanted a shooting range and teach kids how to shoot. So it's this.

00:04:49.820 Can you hit the teddy bear? OK, and it's a target.

00:04:54.740 What's so crazy about it is at that time, the people went crazy, crazy.

00:05:02.880 How dare you? It wasn't because of the gun.

00:05:06.260 It was because how dare the federal government tell us what we should put and teach in our schools?

00:05:13.000 We want a shooting range. We'll put it in. Keep your place.

00:05:17.060 That was 100 years ago.

00:05:20.660 Boy, right. So, yeah.

00:05:23.740 So we've come to a completely different place where everyone feels disempowered.

00:05:29.120 And and they don't feel any mechanism by which they can band together and fix it.

00:05:36.060 So tell me, first, give me a glimpse through that glass.

00:05:42.400 What does a fixed America look like? 0.66

00:05:47.480 What does America look like when we're using common sense and we we take your prescription and fill it?

00:05:56.160 So when that happens in Americans wake up in the morning, they have a concern about their school system.

00:06:06.900 They can go to the principal and the principal has the flexibility to listen to new ideas, to do things in a different way.

00:06:14.580 Each of the teachers has the flexibility to try to teach in their own way and be accountable about whether they're any good at it.

00:06:21.100 They're not detailed work rules that prescribe exactly how something should happen.

00:06:27.840 You can go to the workplace.

00:06:29.880 You can make judgments about someone, whether they're trying hard or whether they fit in with the other people.

00:06:37.720 You can make a joke and and not be scared of getting fired if it kind of bombs.

00:06:44.640 I think everyone should have five bisps. 0.81

00:06:46.460 They should have five inappropriate jokes every, you know, every month or something, you know, right, you know, without getting in trouble, because we've we've lost all spontaneity in the workplace, too.

00:06:57.600 I mean, freedom is about spontaneity.

00:07:00.980 It's about trial and error.

00:07:03.420 What's crazy is we have developed a country that the citizens are afraid to fail on things.

00:07:11.260 You don't don't dare say that or you're in trouble.

00:07:14.520 And yet the giant corporations in the government.

00:07:18.040 Are never afraid of failure on things that they should be.

00:07:21.540 There's no responsibility.

00:07:23.400 They can just pass it off to somebody else.

00:07:25.540 That's right.

00:07:26.100 And well, you ask people in Washington, well, something doesn't work.

00:07:29.940 Well, who who's responsible for that?

00:07:32.180 And I said, well, I don't know.

00:07:33.000 I mean, the rule made me do it or something.

00:07:35.700 So so you asked me, so what it would look like if it were fixed?

00:07:38.600 So let's go to government.

00:07:39.540 Well, I think a safe workplace is important.

00:07:42.740 But in my world, instead of 4000 rules where people get tickets because they don't keep the material safety data sheets exactly up to date for things that aren't even unsafe, like joy dishwashing liquid and things like that, that require you to have a material safety data sheet because no one's using your judgment.

00:07:59.900 Yeah, seriously.

00:08:00.900 This is like no one's using your judgment.

00:08:04.020 You only have those those sheets for things that are really poisonous.

00:08:08.080 You don't get tickets for paperwork and the regulators look for material unsafe conditions, focusing on industries that are unsafe rather than going around handing out tickets.

00:08:20.460 And so what that does is it allows people because they know now that government is actually concerned about safety, not mindless compliance.

00:08:31.440 They can go to their workplace and focus on doing their job rather than compliance.

00:08:37.980 And that's that use.

00:08:39.980 It's unbelievable how much energy that liberates with people.

00:08:44.920 I mean, today we all know it.

00:08:47.220 We've all been in a brainstorming or something where you have that negative guy who is constantly negative, negative, negative, negative, negative.

00:08:55.140 And you just you just you just give up after a while.

00:08:58.560 Right.

00:08:58.900 And so so in in in in the world that I'm envisioning, you don't have this incredible waste and and sort of suffocation of people going through the day asking themselves,

00:09:14.120 can I prove that what I'm about to do is legally correct?

00:09:18.980 They're allowed to rely on their instincts of right and wrong.

00:09:22.760 And other people are free to judge them about whether they're, you know, doing their job well or whatever.

00:09:29.360 It's there.

00:09:30.300 They're free and other people are free, too.

00:09:33.020 And people are free to express themselves because they're not going to get into trouble.

00:09:38.200 Or if you're a doctor, you're willing to say, hey, I'm not sure this is right, where now you're not sure you should say that because that will be on a record someplace.

00:09:49.300 And if the wrong decision was made, you've just blown the case without really knowing.

00:09:55.760 Right.

00:09:57.220 We had the nonprofit I share, Common Good, had a joint venture with the Harvard School of Public Health a few years ago.

00:10:03.300 And one of the biggest problems in patient care is legal fear by the professionals where they're afraid of speaking up.

00:10:15.860 They're afraid to say, are you sure that's the right dosage?

00:10:18.580 Because they don't want to take legal responsibility because of this unreliable, in this case, litigation system.

00:10:24.180 You know, where anybody can sue for anything in our society and nobody on behalf of society is drawing the lines of what's a, you know, a reasonable lawsuit and what's not.

00:10:35.180 So in that case, we proposed a system of expert health courts.

00:10:39.700 And we got literally everyone in health care to support it.

00:10:43.580 Even even the patient safety advocates supported it.

00:10:46.960 You know, people on the far left supported it.

00:10:49.060 Everyone was in favor of this because they saw what it was doing, not only to cost in terms of defensive medicine, but also safety, you know, sort of the quality of care.

00:11:00.720 And of course, who people who killed the reform with the help of Harry Reid, who is then the Senate majority leader, were the trial lawyers.

00:11:19.060 Are we on the verge of massive reform or change sooner rather than later?

00:11:33.020 Because this system does not work and everyone knows it.

00:11:36.880 So are we headed for massive change one way or another?

00:11:41.700 Yes.

00:11:42.360 And so the electoral needle is swinging wildly.

00:11:44.840 I think Obama was the first shoe to drop.

00:11:46.980 People have been angry at bureaucracy and it's been a part of the election since Jimmy Carter.

00:11:52.320 Jimmy Carter is actually very, very good on this stuff.

00:11:55.520 But it's really came to a head.

00:11:57.600 You know, they elected Obama, somebody nobody even heard of.

00:12:00.420 Right.

00:12:00.920 Two years before.

00:12:02.060 Right.

00:12:02.560 You know, who promised change we can believe in.

00:12:04.920 And then that didn't exactly work out.

00:12:07.040 You know, he became more of a status quo, more of the same.

00:12:11.280 So then they elected an outsider, Donald Trump, who promised to drain the swamp.

00:12:16.580 And if anybody is bold enough to do it, you're going to think it's Donald Trump.

00:12:21.540 And his instincts on this, in my view, are completely right.

00:12:25.320 But he doesn't actually have the vision of how you fix it.

00:12:29.520 In other words, you have to re-empower people.

00:12:31.460 It's not just a question of cutting out stuff.

00:12:34.400 You have to go area by area and say, OK, do we need government oversight for clean air?

00:12:40.120 Yes.

00:12:40.560 OK.

00:12:41.260 So how do we make that practical?

00:12:44.260 Do we need government oversight for schools?

00:12:46.380 Probably not much.

00:12:47.540 No.

00:12:48.260 So so how do we how do we get bureaucratic compliance out of the school system so local

00:12:55.980 communities can innovate and put energy into their school system?

00:12:59.880 And there are all these things that need to happen.

00:13:03.040 And he's going somewhat in that direction.

00:13:05.260 But it's really a philosophical shift.

00:13:07.840 It's not a it's not a prune here and prune there.

00:13:10.960 It's taking 150 million words of binding federal law and regulation, which is what there is,

00:13:16.480 and replacing it, let's pick a number, with five million words.

00:13:21.960 It's crazy.

00:13:23.660 The Declaration of Independence is one page, one big page, but one page.

00:13:28.280 Yeah.

00:13:28.640 Constitution is 12, 11, 15, something like that.

00:13:32.500 Yeah.

00:13:33.440 15 to 15 is like seven or eight thousand words.

00:13:35.520 I mean, I mean, and and and and it is some of the most brilliant stuff and lays out how

00:13:44.220 we are to be.

00:13:46.620 And I don't know all of the other words that have been written, and it's killing us.

00:13:52.140 They're killing us.

00:13:53.320 Well, it's suffocating people.

00:13:54.920 People can't comply with it.

00:13:56.540 But part of the theory of it was that if you made law very clear and precise, this is what

00:14:02.340 many conservative theorists thought, that at least what you would do is you would limit

00:14:07.620 the power of government officials because they had to comply specifically with the rule.

00:14:12.180 What they didn't realize is that when you make law that precise, no one can comply with

00:14:17.920 it.

00:14:18.360 Right.

00:14:18.560 So so there's complete noncompliance throughout, you know, throughout America.

00:14:25.880 So that means an inspector has arbitrary power to do whatever he wants.

00:14:29.720 It's actually far better to go back to something like the Constitution, where the Fourth Amendment

00:14:34.740 says no unreasonable searches and seizures.

00:14:37.500 Four words.

00:14:39.320 And those four words, as interpreted by the courts, make Americans go to bed feeling reasonably

00:14:46.280 confident that somebody's not going to barge into their home at night.

00:14:51.120 So let's talk about how we get there, because I said this to a friend the other day, and he

00:14:57.840 looked at me strangely, and I said, look, believe it or not, Barack Obama was voted in by many

00:15:04.240 of the same people that voted for Donald Trump.

00:15:07.480 And and if they even if they didn't, they're expressing the same sentiment.

00:15:13.180 I I want transparency.

00:15:16.980 I want common sense.

00:15:18.780 They were they were freaked out by Bush and the Patriot Act and everything else.

00:15:23.080 And they saw this creep come in their way and had been coming for a long time.

00:15:27.220 And they said, I just want transparency.

00:15:29.000 I just want somebody to speak like I speak and just get this under control.

00:15:33.540 Well, when he didn't do it, the bar was raised and it was somebody who was, you know, a little

00:15:40.820 more a little more out there, a little more colorful in doing it.

00:15:47.520 If we don't get it under control now, I fear the kind of people that we will run to.

00:15:53.680 Well, look who's running on the Democratic slate and look what they're promising.

00:15:59.320 Right.

00:15:59.980 I mean, this is the opposite of what I think people actually are feeling, of course.

00:16:05.920 And so what they're what they think is, is that people is that there are many voters who

00:16:11.080 who will who want more money or more freebies.

00:16:15.200 And that's probably true, but they're misinterpreting.

00:16:19.960 The the alienation, which is not mainly in studies have shown this, it's not mainly about

00:16:28.120 the kind of dislocation, which is important, economic dislocation and wage stagnation and

00:16:32.860 that sort of thing.

00:16:33.840 But this sense that people don't have ownership of their own lives.

00:16:38.040 Right.

00:16:38.240 You know, again, this kind of sense that everything is beyond their their power.

00:16:46.120 But who does?

00:16:47.640 I mean, in our world today, in our America, the president has, you know, ultimate responsibility

00:16:55.600 for everything.

00:16:57.020 And that's he doesn't.

00:16:59.020 He doesn't.

00:16:59.460 He doesn't.

00:17:00.180 Right.

00:17:00.360 And you go anywhere into government or really now into business.

00:17:06.060 The bigger the business, the more that person is not the decision maker.

00:17:11.740 I look, I don't know.

00:17:13.060 I just know you have to do this.

00:17:14.740 And so it becomes.

00:17:17.900 Soviet style gray.

00:17:20.300 Yeah.

00:17:20.600 Yeah.

00:17:20.780 So everyone's in.

00:17:22.020 It's like a cork in a stream, except the stream is is all legalisms and requirements.

00:17:28.080 And so instead of people waking up in the morning saying, this is the path I want to take.

00:17:33.560 This is how I'm going to do it.

00:17:34.860 I've got a good idea to fix the schools or make my farm work better or whatever.

00:17:42.700 We all find ourselves inextricably pulled by these requirements towards compliance.

00:17:50.760 You know, there's I mean, there are all these these these stories that do that really do

00:17:56.740 drive people to to resistance.

00:17:59.640 I mean, the you know, the the volunteer fireman who heard a call that a toddler was choking

00:18:07.420 at a fast food restaurant in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and they got there.

00:18:11.740 They saw this child was blue.

00:18:13.780 They put it in the fire truck.

00:18:14.860 They got to the hospital all within 13 minutes.

00:18:17.000 And then the next day they were suspended from duty because the fire truck wasn't certified

00:18:24.220 for carrying passengers.

00:18:28.080 I mean, it's that kind of thing that happens all the time where the teacher gets in trouble

00:18:33.640 for putting an arm around a crying child or the you know, how much of that do you think

00:18:37.500 is by design?

00:18:39.060 Because it's it's I mean, it's so pervasive that it is it convinces you don't do anything.

00:18:48.280 It's actually it's it's not by design what it is.

00:18:52.100 It's by philosophy.

00:18:53.940 This idea that you can create a perfect regulatory world where if you only follow the rules,

00:18:59.500 you'll have a safe workplace.

00:19:00.680 Not true.

00:19:01.820 If you only follow it because everything requires human will and judgment.

00:19:05.820 Nothing, no problem in the history of mankind has ever been solved because someone followed

00:19:10.640 a rule.

00:19:11.180 May I say I think it actually makes it worse?

00:19:14.040 Of course, I was on the I was on the Native American side of the Grand Canyon.

00:19:18.180 There are no walls.

00:19:19.780 OK, and I'm why park my car and Native American tour guide is there.

00:19:25.380 And I'm I'm kind of looking over like how far down does this go?

00:19:29.700 And I said, is that the canyon?

00:19:32.560 Does this exist again?

00:19:33.500 And he said, oh, yeah.

00:19:34.660 And I said, how many people fall to their deaths here?

00:19:38.520 And he said, we have none.

00:19:40.920 You speaking of America, you have them all the time compared to us.

00:19:46.340 Right.

00:19:46.680 Because you put these walls up and everybody thinks they're perfectly safe.

00:19:51.980 And so they disengage their brain.

00:19:53.700 Well, they would make a wall that I couldn't climb over if it was if it was going to be dangerous.

00:19:58.920 And so they do, where if you don't have that, you're thinking danger.

00:20:05.360 Right.

00:20:05.620 It's interesting.

00:20:06.700 There's actually cognitive work on this that people haven't that we which is that rules do make people go brain dead.

00:20:14.460 And in a variety of ways.

00:20:16.580 One is they think if they comply, everything will be OK.

00:20:19.340 So they're not thinking for themselves.

00:20:20.800 So the point you just made.

00:20:22.360 Secondly, people, the conscious part of our brain is actually quite limited.

00:20:28.380 It's like a eight bit processor or something.

00:20:31.520 Whereas the it's called working memory.

00:20:33.960 The long term part, the big part of our brain, the instincts, the subconscious where we have our reside, our experience, our values, our training, all that kind of stuff.

00:20:43.260 The subconscious is accessed by the working memory.

00:20:46.820 What happens when you have too much bureaucracy that people are thinking about?

00:20:50.760 It's like going through a detailed checklist.

00:20:52.800 It uses up all of their working memory and it freezes out the long term memory.

00:20:58.800 So it actually makes people stupid.

00:21:02.820 So they need a thing that says, don't use snowblower on the roof.

00:21:06.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:07.160 It makes people it really makes people stupid.

00:21:10.040 And it also I was talking to a senior doctor who is at a big company the other day about this.

00:21:18.620 It also makes health care professionals, in that case, burn out because you're so exhausted trying to keep all of these details straight of all the rules that you burn out.

00:21:30.100 And we've created this world now where 30 percent of the health care dollars spent on administration.

00:21:37.900 That's a million dollars per physician where almost half the states have more non-instructional personnel than teachers.

00:21:47.860 That's there's filling out forms.

00:21:50.780 They're reporting.

00:21:52.200 That's literally crazy.

00:21:54.140 So, so, so, so we, we have all these problems that we need to address in our society.

00:22:00.820 Some of which take money.

00:22:02.900 And we have all of these systems in place from Washington that literally squander, not only squander, pick a number, half the money, but they also prevent Americans from being American, you know, from, from, from the energy to solve a lot of issues.

00:22:21.380 So, that's what needs, we need to reframe the discussion to, to human empowerment.

00:22:28.920 Every, there's not a single farmer that I've ever talked to and many, many smart people not in government who haven't at some point when we've really gotten into what the problems were with America.

00:22:40.080 And they don't have to agree with me politically and they will say the same thing.

00:22:45.200 Dude, you and I could fix this in two days.

00:22:47.900 Right.

00:22:48.360 I mean, people know that there's this machinery that is stopping that if we just started using common sense, we couldn't fix it in two days.

00:22:58.300 But you, there is a lot that would change just by saying common sense.

00:23:04.820 Well, and, and, and the way, let's continue that, that string, because the way to give people the freedom to fix it in two days is to replace that, take worker safety.

00:23:19.340 Those 4,000 rules, really deep, seven pages on ladders, you know, stairwells shall be lit by either natural or artificial light.

00:23:29.860 How else can they be lit?

00:23:31.780 You know, you know, all that kind of stuff, you know, material safety data sheets on joy, dishwashing liquid.

00:23:38.380 I mean, or on bricks, you know, like bricks or toxins or something, you know, a hard substance who, you know, define, somebody's actually spending time doing this stuff.

00:23:47.640 If you replace those 4,000 rules with some rules, because there's some things that may not be self-evident, but mainly basic principles of safety.

00:23:57.520 And you have, you have an authority structure where people are evaluated and those things get evaluated too.

00:24:05.940 So you don't have unfairness or arbitrary decisions, but basically you create something that looks more like the constitution.

00:24:12.980 Based in principles.

00:24:13.800 Based mainly in principles and rules only where you think you've got to really have a rule, not, you know, for the joy, dishwashing liquid.

00:24:22.940 So have you ever heard of this book, Philip Drew, Administrator?

00:24:25.880 No.

00:24:26.560 This was Woodrow Wilson's favorite book.

00:24:29.420 Oh, dear.

00:24:30.080 I know.

00:24:30.960 So I love you.

00:24:32.440 Yeah.

00:24:32.780 And it was written by Colonel House.

00:24:35.440 Oh, yeah.

00:24:36.240 And this is today.

00:24:39.580 This is us.

00:24:40.700 Wow.

00:24:41.020 And it was in story form to tell America how America should be run.

00:24:48.520 And it talks about all the problems.

00:24:50.860 And at the at the end of the book, it's just one guy who's like, I can fix this.

00:24:56.080 And they'll just everybody will just administrate all this stuff.

00:24:59.360 But this is the beginning of this.

00:25:03.780 This nightmare that has been churning.

00:25:07.920 And it is what people now think that machinery is too big.

00:25:12.840 So where do we start?

00:25:13.960 Let's start with the with the with the fundamental structure in outlined in your book on how do we take it apart?

00:25:23.080 How do you do it?

00:25:24.620 Step one, giving responsibility.

00:25:26.620 Talk about that.

00:25:27.560 Yeah.

00:25:28.360 So in the end game is people have to have the authority to take the freedom to take responsibility.

00:25:36.520 Everybody, officials, citizens, everybody has to have in the case of an official, it would be a defined scope of responsibility.

00:25:43.900 In the case of a citizen, you don't define it.

00:25:47.300 You're free.

00:25:48.260 And the only things you're not allowed to do are the things that that are bad.

00:25:52.980 And so pause there for a second.

00:25:54.740 You have to say the role of law and the role of government generally, not exclusively, is to protect against bad things, pollution, people cheating on their contracts, crime, you know, that sort of thing.

00:26:13.300 And the way it does that 10, almost like the Ten Commandments, maybe like seven of the Ten Commandments.

00:26:18.180 Yeah, it's exactly like the Ten Commandments.

00:26:20.580 And so it's a series of walls, outer walls, says you can't pollute, you can't discriminate, you can't cheat on your contracts, those walls.

00:26:32.340 And those walls define a field of freedom in which people can do whatever they want.

00:26:39.040 They can be jerks.

00:26:40.220 They cannot get along with people.

00:26:42.220 They can be unfair.

00:26:44.020 They can be free.

00:26:45.500 They can apply their values.

00:26:47.140 They can go move to a part of the country where they have things in common with other people, like the Mormons have moved to Utah or, you know, or the Hasidic Jews are in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

00:26:57.780 They can do all.

00:26:58.360 It's a free country.

00:26:59.360 And those negative things enhance freedom because you go through the day not worrying about whether your bottled water is polluted or not because there's no pollution, right, or whatever.

00:27:11.840 You do contracts with people without being too scared people would break it.

00:27:15.200 So the first thing that we have to do with each and every law is pull it back to a series of negative things that leave people free to innovate on their own.

00:27:28.560 What's happened in the last 50 years is that government has come into our daily lives and told us how to do things correctly.

00:27:35.380 This is how you teach a classroom.

00:27:37.540 Follow this script.

00:27:38.780 This is how you have a safe workplace.

00:27:40.560 By the way, you have to go to 12 different agencies to get a permit to start this little business.

00:27:45.820 And no, you can't have a kid's lemonade stand because you don't have a vendor's license, you know.

00:27:51.440 And it's all this kind of stuff that's come in.

00:27:54.320 So government has wrapped these vines around us.

00:27:57.660 And that's why people are going nuts because that's not what freedom is.

00:28:01.700 Law has replaced freedom.

00:28:03.960 Law is supposed to support freedom by these outer boundaries protecting.

00:28:07.700 And now law has replaced it.

00:28:08.880 It's a fundamental misunderstanding, and I had it when I was searching for religion.

00:28:15.360 I had the misunderstanding that religion would put up a bunch of laws that I would have to abide by,

00:28:25.580 and so it would affect my life and keep me a prisoner.

00:28:29.920 You know what I mean?

00:28:30.620 When those laws are just and based in God's laws, no, they make you freer than you've ever been before

00:28:41.020 because you know what those outer walls are, and everything else is yours.

00:28:46.600 Right.

00:28:47.220 And the test of an effective government, an effective legal system, is whether people are more free.

00:28:53.100 The test is freedom.

00:28:55.200 It's not compliance.

00:28:56.560 It's freedom.

00:28:57.140 Do we even want freedom, though, anymore?

00:28:59.200 Well, many people don't want freedom, but the greatness of this country is freedom.

00:29:06.560 And so...

00:29:07.560 Can you define it?

00:29:09.620 Yes.

00:29:10.580 People have ownership of their own lives and their own choices.

00:29:15.340 Boy, they don't want that.

00:29:18.000 Well, you know...

00:29:19.000 I mean, I do.

00:29:19.660 I think a lot of people do.

00:29:21.040 But there's a lot of people that want to blame everything on something else.

00:29:25.720 It doesn't matter what it is.

00:29:26.900 Well, you know, it's like the parable of Plato's Cave, where people are in a cave,

00:29:32.520 and they're all chained, and they don't see what's really going on outside

00:29:35.480 because they're sort of prisoners in a cave, and then they're given the option to leave,

00:29:40.740 and they say, no, we don't want to leave, you know, it's quite safe.

00:29:45.180 And we are wired, humans are wired in evolution that if we have enough food,

00:29:52.660 we won't step outside the cave.

00:29:55.140 Who wants to face the saber-toothed tiger, right?

00:29:58.120 You know, it's safe here.

00:29:59.480 Let's just stay and get fat. 1.00

00:30:01.180 And so you see that instinct at work with the way we're dealing with children.

00:30:05.300 We don't let children go out and play by themselves anymore,

00:30:07.720 not understanding that we're making them less resourceful

00:30:10.760 and less able to deal with the real dangers in life when they grow up

00:30:13.820 because we haven't let them be resourceful.

00:30:16.760 We were just having a conversation on September 11th anniversary

00:30:19.840 about how much should we really show our children.

00:30:27.300 And I said, have you ever read Grimm's fairy tales

00:30:31.520 before Walt Disney got his hands on it?

00:30:35.140 And they were terrifying, and they were to teach children

00:30:39.800 there are dangers out there, and we don't do that anymore.

00:30:44.580 We just want to protect, and it's doing the opposite.

00:30:48.760 Right.

00:30:49.000 Everyone's a winner.

00:30:49.900 Everyone gets a medal.

00:30:51.280 No one is a loser.

00:30:52.620 Some are eaten by an evil witch because they went into a house of candy.

00:30:56.360 Yeah, I mean, I don't know about you're growing up,

00:30:58.760 but I was really not a successful child.

00:31:02.800 And you learn a lot from failure.

00:31:05.740 People, again, that's one of the bad things about this current system.

00:31:09.680 We think that failure in a job is somehow something to be avoided,

00:31:13.360 and people have a lawsuit if they don't work out in a job for some reason.

00:31:17.580 Failure is where you learn.

00:31:18.920 The people who don't ever feel pain, they're usually dead pretty early.

00:31:25.820 Yeah.

00:31:26.240 You know, they don't, they, they're, I don't remember what the condition's called,

00:31:29.540 but you don't have a feeling of pain.

00:31:31.680 Well, if you don't have a feeling of pain, you don't know,

00:31:35.260 wait, I'm about to break my leg.

00:31:37.000 Oh, wait, this is getting really hot.

00:31:39.260 You don't have that.

00:31:40.840 Pain is there for a reason.

00:31:43.420 Yeah, that's absolutely right.

00:31:44.740 You know, this conversation is making me think we're going from sort of physical resourcefulness.

00:31:51.540 It's also true in choices that, that people need to have a sense,

00:31:59.860 if they're part of a society, that, that they can,

00:32:04.900 they can live their values of right and wrong.

00:32:08.020 Really important that people, fairness.

00:32:12.360 And I don't think.

00:32:13.460 And, and the whole rights vocabulary, that's all about selfishness.

00:32:18.760 And, and we're not allowed to push back and say, wait a minute,

00:32:22.260 you're claiming you have the right for your kid to get hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:32:26.760 out of the budget of this school that we all share to get, to go to some, you know,

00:32:32.920 school a thousand miles away to correct something.

00:32:35.620 But no, this is something we need to discuss because it's all, it's a question of what's fair.

00:32:40.300 And, and, and we've lost the vocabulary of fairness and law has done that.

00:32:47.160 Everyone now, no, no, that's my, I have a legal right.

00:32:49.500 I have a legal right to do this.

00:32:50.680 No, you don't have the right to do this.

00:32:52.760 Say that to me.

00:32:53.500 Or what you're saying offends, I need trigger warnings in college, you know.

00:32:58.800 I don't think anyone feels that we are living in a fair space because in a fair space,

00:33:06.560 you, you have to be allowed to say things that I disagree with.

00:33:11.720 And that might really make me angry.

00:33:14.000 Right.

00:33:14.500 And I have a right to say things and not intentionally to antagonize each other,

00:33:20.360 to harm one another.

00:33:21.560 That's different.

00:33:22.760 But if I'm living next to you, we don't have to live your way or my way.

00:33:29.680 I'm living one way.

00:33:30.840 You live one of the other way.

00:33:32.200 That's fine.

00:33:32.800 Let's just move on with our lives.

00:33:34.640 Exactly.

00:33:35.480 Exactly.

00:33:35.960 And so all of these things, people need to get back that ownership and a sense of ownership

00:33:40.400 of what's fair as well as what's practical.

00:33:43.400 So what is fairness?

00:33:44.880 What is it?

00:33:46.220 Fairness is what the people involved in whatever the institution is decide is fair.

00:33:52.600 It's not something that the law decides except with outer boundaries.

00:33:56.700 You can't pollute.

00:33:57.500 You can't discriminate or whatever.

00:33:59.300 You know, you have these outer boundaries of lines you can't cross.

00:34:02.500 But when you're running any organization or you're deciding how to spend public funds,

00:34:08.160 that's what democracy is supposed to do. 0.97

00:34:10.540 You're supposed to have an argument over what's fair.

00:34:12.700 It's not about legal rights.

00:34:14.100 So have an argument over what's fair.

00:34:15.980 And then a decision gets made and you move on.

00:34:18.480 If you don't like it, you move somewhere else or, you know, or elect somebody new.

00:34:23.020 I'm trying to figure out because you say have to, you know, you can't discriminate.

00:34:29.220 I don't think there's a soul that, well, yes, there are.

00:34:34.340 There's a few, you know, there's always a Hitler in a bunch that wouldn't mind discriminating. 0.92

00:34:39.860 But the vast majority of Americans like people, to be fair, look, just don't jam it down my throat,

00:34:47.540 whether it's religion or, you know, your vegan lifestyle.

00:34:51.040 Just don't jam it down my throat.

00:34:53.160 That's where the average person is.

00:34:56.480 But we're not being, we're not being, the average person isn't being heard, isn't, isn't,

00:35:03.400 their voice isn't loud enough.

00:35:05.640 And we're listening to these extremes.

00:35:08.220 Right.

00:35:08.500 Then Big Brother is making everybody go to diversity workshops,

00:35:13.940 which studies show make people feel discriminatory.

00:35:17.580 They enhance discriminatory feelings.

00:35:20.040 I think, again, just, you know, past September 11th anniversary,

00:35:26.180 I did a lot of thinking about this, about what we did that was good,

00:35:30.320 what we did that was wrong, you know, how did we get here from 20 years ago?

00:35:34.820 And there's a lot of stuff there.

00:35:36.720 And one of those things is, I think this claim of Islamophobia is a good warning, 0.99

00:35:46.600 you know, but I listened back to my broadcast from September 11th, 2001.

00:35:52.240 And somebody called and said, I don't know who did it, but get him.

00:35:55.420 And I said, stop, stop.

00:36:00.220 That's the average person.

00:36:02.580 And when you, when you jam something down people's throats,

00:36:07.120 where you say, don't look there, don't look there.

00:36:09.680 You automatically push back and it makes things worse.

00:36:16.240 You know, there are two structural points I'd like to make right here.

00:36:24.120 The first is, in order for people to be practical,

00:36:28.260 this is not what we're talking about now,

00:36:30.200 you have to give them goals but not tell them how to do it.

00:36:34.200 So that implies a radical simplification of regulatory structures

00:36:38.660 so that people have the freedom to take responsibility to meet the goal,

00:36:43.800 whatever it is.

00:36:45.380 That's one thing.

00:36:46.400 In order to be, for people to feel fair and not to resist change,

00:36:53.900 you have to have a legal system that doesn't let anyone assert legal claims

00:37:00.220 as a sword when they feel they want to get their way.

00:37:05.160 That's not what lawsuits are supposed to be about.

00:37:13.720 If somebody feels offended by a bad joke in the workplace or something,

00:37:20.000 they can, and let's just assume for this purpose,

00:37:24.740 it's a one-off thing.

00:37:25.880 There are lots of things they can do.

00:37:30.340 They can speak up, say, I think that's offensive.

00:37:33.760 You know, you made a joke about Muslims and I'm Muslim or something.

00:37:40.060 They can decide they want to work somewhere else.

00:37:42.720 That's fine.

00:37:44.340 The one thing they shouldn't be allowed to do, in my view,

00:37:47.620 is bring a lawsuit for themselves.

00:37:50.380 Say, I don't think I'm getting ahead because I,

00:37:53.880 I, because I think these people, based on this bad joke,

00:37:58.080 you know, have these discriminatory feelings.

00:38:00.640 What happens when you let somebody bring a lawsuit

00:38:03.480 for any playground accident,

00:38:07.180 for any difference in the views,

00:38:10.640 is that you stifle freedom dramatically.

00:38:16.700 So businesses in America no longer give job references.

00:38:20.660 They're scared they're going to get sued.

00:38:21.560 You can't, you're, you're trained in diversity workshops

00:38:25.060 not to be spontaneous and to tell jokes

00:38:27.180 because they might offend somebody.

00:38:28.740 And that, of course, then enhances discriminatory feelings.

00:38:32.200 You have school systems that literally ban running at recess,

00:38:36.120 which Broward County, Florida did.

00:38:37.780 You ban running at recess because if you have a ban in,

00:38:41.720 then you think it helps protect against the lawsuit

00:38:44.140 when some kid falls and breaks his leg, right?

00:38:46.240 So the, the fear of lawsuits, not the actuality,

00:38:52.120 the fear of lawsuits ends up in the land of the First Amendment,

00:38:55.340 meaning people don't ever say what they think.

00:38:57.980 And, and it means that they don't take the reasonable risk of life

00:39:02.160 like letting kids go out and play,

00:39:03.640 you know, because they're scared they're going to get sued

00:39:06.120 if something happens.

00:39:07.040 So structurally, the only way to solve that problem

00:39:12.740 is to not let people use state power in the form of a lawsuit.

00:39:20.780 That's what it is.

00:39:22.140 It's state power unless a judge says,

00:39:26.200 I think this crosses the hurdle of, you know,

00:39:29.460 the threshold of unreasonable conduct.

00:39:31.780 It's not a reasonable risk of life.

00:39:33.360 If it's, that rises to the fact that we,

00:39:36.300 maybe we should let this go to a jury.

00:39:53.140 I think that discrimination in one form is horrible.

00:39:58.980 I mean, why not get to know the person

00:40:01.000 and hate them for their individual reasons?

00:40:02.760 You know what I mean?

00:40:03.940 So that kind of discrimination.

00:40:06.200 However, discrimination as it used to be meant

00:40:09.460 when I was growing up, discriminating taste,

00:40:12.120 use some discrimination here.

00:40:13.580 What is that person's character, et cetera, et cetera.

00:40:17.240 But we've taken all discrimination

00:40:19.180 and thrown it out and said, all of it is bad.

00:40:22.980 Even the bad stuff, if you're going to be free,

00:40:26.240 if you say, you know what, I hate the name Paul

00:40:31.280 and I'm not serving anybody named Paul,

00:40:35.680 the people in the community are going to go,

00:40:38.760 that guy is nuts.

00:40:40.980 And he will harm himself.

00:40:43.660 You know what I mean?

00:40:44.780 I know I'm not going to hire anybody named Paul.

00:40:47.140 I don't like Paul.

00:40:48.840 And as horrible as that sounds,

00:40:53.580 don't you need to allow enough freedom

00:40:57.680 for people to never turn into a monster,

00:41:01.840 you know, like, you know,

00:41:02.760 but to be monstrous in their own way.

00:41:05.700 Yes, exactly right.

00:41:07.700 And it's counterproductive.

00:41:09.520 I've written about this.

00:41:10.460 I write about it some in Tri-Common Sense.

00:41:12.500 I, in my view,

00:41:15.860 when you're talking about discrimination against groups,

00:41:19.800 the rule should be, the threshold rule,

00:41:23.500 and maybe it should be more narrow than this,

00:41:26.680 is that one individual should not be able

00:41:30.760 to bring a lawsuit that they were treated unfairly

00:41:34.040 because it's a free country.

00:41:36.160 And how do you, how does,

00:41:37.420 how does an employer prove,

00:41:39.120 look, this person has bad judgment

00:41:41.300 and doesn't get along with workers.

00:41:42.960 And the person is saying, no, no,

00:41:45.020 it's because I'm, pick your,

00:41:47.420 Let's just say this.

00:41:48.760 I'm running a business.

00:41:50.840 I'm trying to attract clients

00:41:52.860 that dress like you, look like you.

00:41:54.760 And I keep getting these people coming in

00:41:57.120 and they've got pierced noses and tattoos.

00:41:59.840 I, as a business, have a right to say,

00:42:01.940 I'm not hiring anybody that looks like that. 1.00

00:42:04.100 I'm not.

00:42:04.680 Because my clientele does not relate to that.

00:42:08.260 Exactly right.

00:42:09.200 And so.

00:42:09.900 But that's a, that, that would be a group of people

00:42:11.760 that could bring a lawsuit.

00:42:13.040 It could be, you know,

00:42:14.360 I think he could hopefully get away with that.

00:42:17.040 There are dress codes and stuff

00:42:18.180 that people are allowed to have.

00:42:19.780 But, but, but going back to the core, you know,

00:42:23.280 based on religion or race or something.

00:42:26.460 In, in my world, it's, you could bring a claim

00:42:31.560 that there was a pattern or practice against race.

00:42:36.120 You'd say, okay, the law prohibits that.

00:42:37.800 But not that you particularly got hurt by it just alone

00:42:43.160 because it's impossible to distinguish

00:42:45.520 the personal characteristics of any given person

00:42:48.820 from lots of other things.

00:42:50.820 You know, it's just, it's not,

00:42:52.440 and it's counterproductive.

00:42:54.140 And so what happens,

00:42:55.520 and there are, again, there are studies of this.

00:42:57.020 I mean, excuse me.

00:42:57.700 Is it mentors, like, for example,

00:43:01.200 young African-Americans have trouble getting mentors

00:43:03.800 in the workplace, and they think,

00:43:06.840 some think it's because of racism,

00:43:09.680 whereas studies indicate,

00:43:12.000 well, actually, it's because the would-be mentors

00:43:14.960 are afraid of getting in trouble for anything they say.

00:43:18.420 You're going to say, mentors, by definition,

00:43:20.400 say things that are negative.

00:43:22.100 You know, I don't like your writing style or whatever.

00:43:24.380 So they're in trouble.

00:43:25.160 So it ends up being counterproductive.

00:43:29.500 I was once testifying before Congress,

00:43:31.960 the House Judiciary Committee,

00:43:34.120 about something else dealing with litigation,

00:43:37.820 and Maxine Waters was on the, you know, committee.

00:43:42.960 She's always a wild card.

00:43:44.080 Yeah, so I'm, you know,

00:43:45.480 I'm halfway through my testimony.

00:43:46.880 She said, she pulls out this book

00:43:48.700 where I'd written about this,

00:43:50.360 and she said, I see, Mr. Howard,

00:43:51.840 you don't believe there's any such thing as discrimination.

00:43:53.640 I said, no, that's not true at all.

00:43:55.420 You know, we have a terrible history

00:43:56.800 as a country of discrimination,

00:43:57.860 and I think it's important

00:43:59.720 to have the civil rights laws to do that. 0.92

00:44:01.260 And she said, but you don't think

00:44:02.580 people should be allowed to sue? 0.83

00:44:04.420 I said, well, I think people should be allowed to sue

00:44:06.480 if they can prove a pattern or practice against a group.

00:44:09.560 I just don't think that one individual

00:44:11.160 should be able to sue for themselves

00:44:13.220 because it ends up chilling free interaction

00:44:17.040 that ends up being counterproductive to race relations.

00:44:19.720 And she looks at me, and she says,

00:44:21.740 well, Mr. Howard, do you think anyone

00:44:23.780 would bring a lawsuit for discrimination

00:44:25.640 if they hadn't been discriminated against?

00:44:28.720 And I said, well, I said, I said...

00:44:32.720 What century are you living in?

00:44:34.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:35.320 I sort of bit my tongue.

00:44:36.500 I said, well, let me put it this way.

00:44:38.500 Every federal judge I know believes that.

00:44:40.940 But, you know, and so you need to have boundaries

00:44:46.420 of, just as you need to have boundaries

00:44:50.440 of what the regulators were allowed to stop and not stop,

00:44:53.020 these outer boundaries in society,

00:44:54.880 you also need to have outer boundaries

00:44:57.160 of what people can sue for.

00:44:58.980 If we want to restore a free society,

00:45:01.040 in both cases, people have to wake up in the morning

00:45:05.300 with a pretty good sense of their field of freedom.

00:45:09.880 Today, they have a pretty good sense

00:45:12.260 that they're not free at all.

00:45:14.380 You know, anything they do could get them in trouble.

00:45:18.460 Okay, I feel like I'm standing on the other side

00:45:20.280 of the glass looking into the bakery

00:45:21.800 and seeing all the good food inside.

00:45:23.400 Right.

00:45:24.480 And because as I'm listening to you talk,

00:45:28.700 and the more I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:35.620 I keep remembering these guys.

00:45:37.240 This is easy to sell to a group of people

00:45:41.140 because they're going to have power.

00:45:43.300 They're going to have money.

00:45:44.740 They're going to control things.

00:45:46.420 It will be their way where what we're now selling

00:45:51.380 is no longer even understood

00:45:57.700 because we've had it for so long.

00:45:59.820 We take it for, you know, granted.

00:46:03.180 But what we're selling is you go your own way.

00:46:09.220 You have too much money in lawyers.

00:46:13.160 You have too much power with the lawyers.

00:46:16.040 All the politicians, the political parties,

00:46:18.920 the companies that have now spent the last 50 or 100 years

00:46:23.560 retooling to make sure that they understand this system

00:46:27.460 and they can control that system.

00:46:29.960 How do you beat the money and the power?

00:46:33.240 Okay.

00:46:33.580 Really important question.

00:46:35.540 So I'm having lunch with this senior medical officer

00:46:40.440 of a big health care company.

00:46:42.520 And he says to me,

00:46:43.940 what I'm worried about is not what's going to happen

00:46:47.480 in this election cycle to health care and stuff.

00:46:50.320 What I'm worried about is the system

00:46:51.800 obviously doesn't work anymore.

00:46:54.280 It's too expensive.

00:46:55.400 People can't afford it.

00:46:56.640 It influences coverage.

00:46:57.840 It influences relations.

00:46:59.120 It causes professionals to burn out

00:47:01.240 because it's so bureaucratic.

00:47:02.660 And no one has an idea of how to replace it.

00:47:06.540 And so going back to your earlier question,

00:47:08.440 yes, things are changing.

00:47:09.660 The electoral needle and there's no vision.

00:47:11.980 So point number one, you just made the point.

00:47:15.620 Washington will never fix this

00:47:17.320 because all those people are now generations

00:47:21.740 into living this bureaucratic, big brother,

00:47:26.660 the law will tell you how to live, you know, society.

00:47:30.220 That's number one.

00:47:31.200 Number two, neither party as we know it

00:47:34.280 is going to fix it

00:47:35.400 because they each, the special,

00:47:40.160 their interest groups and biggest supporters,

00:47:42.080 whether it's the trial lawyers

00:47:43.300 or the rights harpies on the left

00:47:46.860 or business on either side,

00:47:53.060 they are all invested in the status quo.

00:47:56.740 Washington is not,

00:47:58.300 Washington is mainly about the status quo

00:48:00.160 and both parties are about the status quo.

00:48:02.760 And while we're at it, just to be clear,

00:48:05.300 there's nothing been better

00:48:06.440 for the Democratic Party financially

00:48:08.440 than Donald Trump.

00:48:09.880 The people who can't stand Trump

00:48:12.520 pouring money into the Democratic Party.

00:48:15.960 So they do fine with this polarized,

00:48:18.840 get nothing done kind of political system.

00:48:22.020 Well, I think it's both parties that have,

00:48:24.740 they love the infighting.

00:48:28.660 They love it.

00:48:29.160 Yeah, completely.

00:48:30.100 So Washington won't fix itself.

00:48:33.080 The people there can't even conceive

00:48:34.740 of what we're talking about

00:48:35.820 and neither parties will fix it.

00:48:37.640 So as in all great changes in society,

00:48:41.140 including in our society

00:48:42.420 and in the 60s and in the 30s

00:48:45.460 and all the way back

00:48:47.280 and the American Revolution itself,

00:48:49.260 change has to come from the outside.

00:48:51.160 So we need to start,

00:48:52.780 I won't call it a new party for right now,

00:48:55.380 I'll just call it a new movement.

00:48:57.440 And the new movement is based

00:48:59.480 not on conservative or liberal ideology,

00:49:03.400 it's based on human empowerment

00:49:05.960 and responsibility.

00:49:07.640 And we need to go...

00:49:09.080 Which sounds like what our founders did.

00:49:10.620 Yes, that's right.

00:49:11.600 And we need to remake that.

00:49:13.940 And what that means is going largely back

00:49:17.100 to a principles-based government

00:49:18.860 where you understand that law

00:49:21.820 is not a way to control correctness

00:49:25.160 in a society,

00:49:26.540 but again, has this limited role

00:49:28.840 of protecting mainly against bad things.

00:49:30.940 You know, and we don't let people use it

00:49:34.080 for their own purposes,

00:49:35.480 the way people use lawsuits.

00:49:37.160 Lawsuits today are all about selfishness.

00:49:39.560 Individual rights,

00:49:40.720 the great principle of individual rights,

00:49:43.680 which is supposed to be

00:49:44.720 that the state can't barge into your home,

00:49:47.580 take your property.

00:49:48.900 Individual rights is now mutated

00:49:51.040 into this sword for personal gain.

00:49:54.380 It's just unbelievable.

00:49:55.400 It's turned into its opposite

00:49:57.060 where people use state power

00:49:58.920 to get something for themselves.

00:50:01.820 Because I think we have,

00:50:03.860 at the same time,

00:50:04.780 there have been,

00:50:05.300 there's been greed,

00:50:06.380 there's been a loss of...

00:50:07.080 When I was in high school,

00:50:09.360 the required class for seniors

00:50:11.400 was rights and responsibilities.

00:50:15.640 And no one wants any responsibility.

00:50:18.360 I mean, our founders never,

00:50:20.440 there's a few things they didn't see.

00:50:22.080 One, one group of politicians

00:50:26.460 gladly giving their power

00:50:29.520 to another branch of the government.

00:50:32.500 They never thought that that would happen.

00:50:34.380 That's against human nature.

00:50:35.820 You're too greedy.

00:50:36.880 Right, right.

00:50:37.320 Welcome to Congress, right?

00:50:38.340 Right.

00:50:39.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:41.880 So how do you get responsibility?

00:50:44.900 There's one way you get responsibility

00:50:46.380 is you hold people accountable

00:50:48.760 when they're not responsible.

00:50:49.940 And so you were right earlier.

00:50:52.440 Hold people accountable

00:50:52.960 when they're not responsible

00:50:54.060 or when they are responsible?

00:50:56.580 When they don't act responsibly.

00:50:58.180 Yes, okay.

00:50:58.700 You give them responsibility

00:50:59.940 and then you hold them accountable

00:51:01.760 when they act irresponsibly.

00:51:04.600 In other words,

00:51:04.940 don't bail the banks out

00:51:06.900 when the banks were doing things

00:51:08.520 that were wrong

00:51:09.380 and they knew it.

00:51:10.600 Completely.

00:51:11.720 And you,

00:51:12.360 and so people must suffer consequences.

00:51:14.600 You want responsible,

00:51:15.940 you want trust in an organization.

00:51:17.420 Everybody has to know

00:51:18.980 that if you don't pull your share,

00:51:21.040 you're going to lose your job.

00:51:22.140 And what that does

00:51:23.080 is it creates an incredibly vigorous,

00:51:26.080 happy organization

00:51:27.120 because everyone knows

00:51:28.820 that everybody else

00:51:29.680 is doing their share.

00:51:31.020 And that's why accountability

00:51:32.220 is not a negative thing.

00:51:33.300 It's really a positive thing.

00:51:34.660 Well, the same thing is true 0.73

00:51:35.840 in a society.

00:51:36.800 If you have someone

00:51:38.100 who repeatedly uses the law,

00:51:43.140 a parent or someone,

00:51:44.060 to get things for themselves,

00:51:46.520 they're threatening legal action

00:51:47.800 to get for themselves,

00:51:48.880 they should be shunned.

00:51:50.680 They should be told no.

00:51:52.500 The officials ought to have

00:51:53.760 the authority to say no.

00:51:55.340 That's not fair.

00:51:56.820 You know,

00:51:57.240 you only get this much

00:51:58.280 of the budget or whatever.

00:52:00.220 And they should be shunned.

00:52:01.420 They should be,

00:52:02.020 it's not their legal right.

00:52:03.840 They're no longer acting

00:52:05.200 in a moral way.

00:52:06.840 And so,

00:52:07.840 you know,

00:52:08.100 in Tri-Common Sense,

00:52:08.940 I have a whole section

00:52:09.640 about restoring the moral basis

00:52:11.140 of public choices.

00:52:11.960 You have to give back to people

00:52:14.340 the authority

00:52:16.540 all through society

00:52:19.100 to say what's right and wrong.

00:52:20.540 Who has moral authority?

00:52:22.460 There is no truth anymore.

00:52:24.440 We've all sullied ourselves

00:52:26.300 so much

00:52:27.420 jumping back and forth

00:52:29.900 for power.

00:52:30.740 Hey, well,

00:52:31.040 I'll accept this

00:52:31.920 because it's our side this time.

00:52:33.500 Who has moral authority?

00:52:35.240 You know,

00:52:35.460 character Emerson said

00:52:37.360 is cumulative.

00:52:39.540 No,

00:52:39.780 none of us is perfect.

00:52:40.780 We all make mistakes in life.

00:52:43.300 But we know,

00:52:45.020 we all gravitate

00:52:45.820 towards people

00:52:46.400 with good character.

00:52:47.480 We know them.

00:52:48.520 People gravitate to your show.

00:52:50.340 They gravitate to your show

00:52:51.340 because they think,

00:52:52.100 among other things,

00:52:53.060 you have good character.

00:52:54.020 You're smart.

00:52:54.840 You have a lot of good ideas,

00:52:55.740 but you have good character.

00:52:57.160 So people gravitate

00:52:58.480 towards character.

00:53:00.160 It's just...

00:53:00.680 Are we doing that

00:53:01.520 in Washington?

00:53:02.300 No.

00:53:03.400 No,

00:53:03.920 there's no discourse

00:53:06.320 on character

00:53:07.180 because it's illegal

00:53:09.600 to judge people

00:53:10.660 based on character.

00:53:11.740 The question is

00:53:12.600 what the rule requires.

00:53:13.960 That's the problem.

00:53:15.240 The problem with this

00:53:16.300 legalistic structure

00:53:17.380 we built up

00:53:18.140 really only in the last 50 years

00:53:20.240 is we've abandoned

00:53:22.160 the vocabulary of morality

00:53:24.020 and right and wrong

00:53:25.040 and character

00:53:25.780 and perception itself,

00:53:28.420 the idea of perceiving.

00:53:29.480 I perceive that this person

00:53:31.620 doesn't try hard.

00:53:33.240 Well,

00:53:33.440 how can you prove that?

00:53:35.020 We're no longer allowed

00:53:36.300 to make those judgments.

00:53:38.320 Well,

00:53:38.900 that's crazy.

00:53:40.060 That's...

00:53:40.480 That's how the...

00:53:42.060 You know,

00:53:43.040 some people are better...

00:53:45.220 Work out better

00:53:46.420 in jobs than others.

00:53:47.400 You know,

00:53:47.580 we have to be able

00:53:48.260 to make those judgments.

00:53:49.560 So we need to recreate

00:53:53.440 a society

00:53:54.700 where people feel

00:53:57.220 then when they act honorably

00:53:58.960 and they wait in line

00:54:00.500 rather than demanding

00:54:01.520 something for themselves.

00:54:03.120 They feel they're doing that

00:54:04.820 because that's what

00:54:06.140 good people do.

00:54:08.020 Correct.

00:54:09.080 And instead,

00:54:10.320 we have this society

00:54:11.700 where we've trained people

00:54:13.260 not to do that

00:54:14.700 because you're a dupe

00:54:16.100 or, you know,

00:54:16.900 or somebody...

00:54:17.160 Well, you do feel that.

00:54:18.220 I mean,

00:54:18.380 you get to a point

00:54:19.520 and I think America

00:54:21.900 will reach this.

00:54:22.640 I'm not sure England

00:54:23.640 will reach this.

00:54:24.600 What's happening

00:54:25.240 with Brexit in England

00:54:26.500 is remarkable.

00:54:28.440 Yeah, it is.

00:54:29.660 You know,

00:54:29.980 you have a vote.

00:54:32.160 You're moving down

00:54:33.460 a certain way.

00:54:34.360 Your prime minister

00:54:35.340 now says,

00:54:36.160 I'm going to do this

00:54:36.920 because we have to do this

00:54:38.240 or we're not going

00:54:39.220 to get a good deal.

00:54:40.620 They change the rules.

00:54:42.040 They keep saying,

00:54:42.780 well,

00:54:42.900 then we'll have to bring it

00:54:43.700 back to the people

00:54:44.380 thinking that the people

00:54:46.140 will say something different.

00:54:47.880 It's happening here too.

00:54:49.900 But America...

00:54:50.900 I just...

00:54:51.740 I ask a Scottish friend of mine.

00:54:53.500 I said,

00:54:53.760 what is going to happen

00:54:54.700 to England?

00:54:55.180 And he said,

00:54:56.640 oh,

00:54:57.560 I have no idea.

00:54:58.560 He said,

00:54:58.880 it's screwed.

00:54:59.400 But they won't do anything.

00:55:01.520 The people won't do anything.

00:55:04.220 We're not English yet.

00:55:05.740 Right.

00:55:06.720 We're headed that way,

00:55:08.140 but we're not English yet.

00:55:10.480 And you can't continually

00:55:12.580 re-injure

00:55:13.760 and expect

00:55:15.660 the entire population

00:55:17.980 to go,

00:55:18.660 wait a minute.

00:55:19.520 Right.

00:55:19.700 You know,

00:55:21.440 it's interesting.

00:55:21.920 I think

00:55:22.420 it's interesting

00:55:23.880 about Brexit.

00:55:24.720 Brexit,

00:55:25.180 I think,

00:55:25.660 is in part

00:55:26.720 a failure

00:55:27.200 of hypothesis

00:55:28.820 by the leadership.

00:55:30.260 I think there's a...

00:55:31.460 I think the instinct

00:55:32.420 of the British people

00:55:33.580 to leave the EU

00:55:35.220 is completely understandable.

00:55:37.160 I mean,

00:55:37.940 I mean,

00:55:38.420 speaking of the micromanagement

00:55:40.140 and also the stuff

00:55:42.560 coming from the courts

00:55:43.880 in Europe are...

00:55:45.080 It's the same thing

00:55:45.840 that happened here.

00:55:47.380 You could put

00:55:48.680 all the European states

00:55:50.260 together and say,

00:55:51.240 hey,

00:55:51.420 this big principle,

00:55:52.840 but do your own thing.

00:55:54.400 You're England.

00:55:55.440 They would do that,

00:55:57.020 but they did

00:55:57.980 what the progressives

00:55:59.180 are doing to us here.

00:56:00.860 Everybody has to be the same.

00:56:02.840 Uniformity and perfection.

00:56:04.600 So we have this utopian scheme

00:56:06.920 that only if we have

00:56:07.800 another 150 million words of law,

00:56:10.380 everything will work perfectly.

00:56:12.420 You know,

00:56:13.100 not realizing

00:56:13.800 that nothing's working

00:56:14.800 because people wake up

00:56:15.880 in the morning

00:56:16.300 and they're wasting

00:56:16.800 all their time

00:56:17.600 trying to comply with stuff

00:56:19.300 instead of teaching the kids

00:56:20.540 or helping the patient

00:56:21.600 or making the product

00:56:23.440 or whatever.

00:56:24.480 I mean,

00:56:24.880 or innovating.

00:56:27.740 So we're at this point

00:56:32.360 where Americans actually,

00:56:36.060 they're not going to get it

00:56:37.400 from Washington,

00:56:39.060 that we have to start

00:56:40.640 something new.

00:56:41.460 and Brexit,

00:56:44.680 I fault the leaders

00:56:45.800 only because they don't have

00:56:47.380 a clear hypothesis

00:56:48.540 of here's how we think

00:56:50.300 it should work now.

00:56:52.060 Lay out the 10 principles.

00:56:54.180 Here's how we should deal

00:56:55.140 with the Northern Ireland-Ireland border.

00:56:57.020 Here's how we should do this.

00:56:58.760 And so what I think

00:57:00.040 we need to do now,

00:57:01.080 and I'm starting to talk

00:57:02.280 to some people about doing this,

00:57:04.180 is go area by area

00:57:05.800 with no one appointing us

00:57:07.220 and say here's how this,

00:57:10.980 here's how public schools

00:57:13.220 should work.

00:57:15.280 And by the way,

00:57:16.020 we have to break

00:57:16.720 the teachers' unions

00:57:17.640 because they make them unmanageable.

00:57:19.400 And the way to do that,

00:57:21.000 among other things,

00:57:22.040 is for the federal government

00:57:23.380 to say,

00:57:24.680 you will get no federal funds

00:57:26.560 unless you satisfy us,

00:57:28.720 you state by state,

00:57:30.060 that you have a method

00:57:32.480 of practical accountability

00:57:33.820 to sort the people

00:57:35.380 who are good teachers

00:57:36.180 from those who are not.

00:57:38.200 And the state can have the choice.

00:57:40.560 It either gets the billion dollars,

00:57:42.320 you know,

00:57:42.720 or it doesn't.

00:57:44.600 Now, I mean,

00:57:46.400 let's talk about morality.

00:57:49.400 I have a feeling you and I

00:57:50.620 feel the same way

00:57:51.520 about teachers' unions,

00:57:52.720 and I've seen it in New York.

00:57:54.120 It's obscene.

00:57:55.100 California, obscene.

00:57:56.180 It's bad here in Texas.

00:57:58.360 However,

00:58:00.520 Philip,

00:58:01.940 why do you want to hurt teachers

00:58:04.340 who are in there doing this?

00:58:06.260 They have no one representing them.

00:58:07.880 You're just going to throw them

00:58:08.820 to the wall.

00:58:10.680 You know,

00:58:11.280 it's so interesting.

00:58:12.120 We have a daughter as a teacher.

00:58:15.400 The teachers are among

00:58:17.500 the most important people

00:58:18.400 in our society.

00:58:19.780 They should be valued,

00:58:22.620 honored,

00:58:22.980 and the number one way

00:58:26.220 to do that,

00:58:26.740 you've got to pay them fairly.

00:58:28.280 Number one way to do that

00:58:29.540 is to give them

00:58:30.520 the freedom

00:58:31.280 to put all of their energy

00:58:33.480 into teaching.

00:58:35.360 And then hold them accountable.

00:58:36.980 And then hold them accountable

00:58:38.300 for whether they fit in.

00:58:39.680 And if they think

00:58:40.340 they're so good

00:58:41.020 and being treated unfairly,

00:58:43.320 there are some checks

00:58:43.960 and balances

00:58:44.420 you could put in.

00:58:45.240 You give a teacher a present.

00:58:46.320 But they can go to

00:58:47.020 another school too.

00:58:48.260 You know,

00:58:48.500 it's a free society.

00:58:50.140 And by the way,

00:58:51.280 the third grade teacher,

00:58:53.280 somebody may be

00:58:53.820 a great third grade teacher

00:58:54.840 and a lousy

00:58:55.340 11th grade teacher.

00:58:56.640 You know,

00:58:57.280 it's,

00:58:57.740 and again,

00:58:58.480 there are lots of studies

00:58:59.320 of this.

00:59:00.120 And there are lots of different,

00:59:01.080 Peter Drucker,

00:59:01.720 the great management consultant,

00:59:03.320 said,

00:59:04.080 teaching is the one profession

00:59:06.540 that we've never figured out

00:59:08.180 how to come up

00:59:11.420 with a formula for success.

00:59:13.380 Because it's so idiosyncratic.

00:59:16.440 It's so dependent

00:59:17.220 on the teacher's

00:59:18.260 personality

00:59:19.420 and the funny combination

00:59:20.780 of how the teacher

00:59:21.640 engages with the kids

00:59:22.760 at what age

00:59:23.440 and gets them interested

00:59:24.840 and has them go.

00:59:27.160 And we've pretty much

00:59:27.800 killed those people

00:59:28.840 because you can't be you.

00:59:31.740 Oh, no.

00:59:32.160 So the good teacher,

00:59:33.020 there was a study

00:59:33.520 in California

00:59:34.080 a few years ago.

00:59:35.360 They said the number one reason

00:59:36.700 why good teachers

00:59:37.640 quit teaching

00:59:38.420 was bureaucracy.

00:59:40.100 Not having ownership

00:59:41.200 of their choices.

00:59:42.420 I mean,

00:59:42.640 you cannot read anything

00:59:43.800 about good teachers

00:59:44.760 without seeing

00:59:46.480 the testimonials

00:59:48.320 of discouragement.

00:59:50.000 The combination

00:59:51.080 of wasting their time

00:59:53.600 in bureaucracy

00:59:54.360 and other people

00:59:58.060 around them

00:59:58.620 who aren't doing the job

00:59:59.700 and everybody knows it.

01:00:01.020 Bringing down their schools.

01:00:02.860 It's funny.

01:00:03.600 Well, the bureaucracy,

01:00:04.440 our daughter

01:00:04.980 was a teacher

01:00:06.760 in a very good public school

01:00:08.240 in Brooklyn.

01:00:08.760 And I said,

01:00:12.800 well, what's so great

01:00:13.360 about this school?

01:00:14.360 And she said,

01:00:14.940 well,

01:00:15.780 it's really,

01:00:16.560 the principal really protects us,

01:00:18.260 gives us a lot of authority

01:00:19.280 to do whatever we want.

01:00:20.360 And I said,

01:00:20.620 well, how does she do that? 1.00

01:00:21.420 Because there are all

01:00:21.800 these reporting requirements.

01:00:23.400 And she said,

01:00:23.820 well, apparently

01:00:24.400 on Friday afternoons,

01:00:25.840 the teacher spends,

01:00:26.820 the principal spends

01:00:27.700 a whole afternoon

01:00:28.680 filling out forms

01:00:30.140 certifying that we've done

01:00:31.500 things that we never did.

01:00:32.620 And so this highly successful school

01:00:37.740 is able to get away with it

01:00:40.160 because the principal

01:00:41.280 actually lies to the bureaucracy.

01:00:44.780 She puts all this,

01:00:46.020 she puts all the paperwork stuff

01:00:47.680 under herself

01:00:48.500 and certifies things

01:00:50.240 that never happened.

01:00:51.640 And the school is,

01:00:52.880 it's like one of the most successful,

01:00:54.320 you know,

01:00:54.740 highest ranked schools

01:00:56.120 in New York State.

01:00:57.760 That's crazy.

01:00:59.440 It is,

01:00:59.840 it is,

01:01:00.580 again,

01:01:01.060 a government making

01:01:03.260 every citizen a criminal.

01:01:04.780 Yeah.

01:01:05.340 And we are.

01:01:06.280 I mean,

01:01:06.600 I'm sure this studio

01:01:07.520 is certainly in violation.

01:01:09.900 No, it's not.

01:01:12.000 No, it is not.

01:01:13.040 I want to go back to,

01:01:14.440 you know,

01:01:15.100 the moral mandate

01:01:15.980 because what we've lost

01:01:18.880 is our unum.

01:01:22.420 E pluribus unum.

01:01:24.780 Right.

01:01:25.600 We could come,

01:01:27.080 we're the only nation

01:01:29.040 in the history of the world

01:01:31.040 to put this amount

01:01:33.800 of difference together

01:01:36.160 to mix people

01:01:38.100 from all around the world.

01:01:39.880 You just watch the streets

01:01:41.420 of New York City

01:01:42.380 and you see how people

01:01:44.100 who can't speak

01:01:45.580 the same language even

01:01:47.200 are from different parts

01:01:48.620 of the world

01:01:49.440 that probably have like, 0.88

01:01:51.180 I don't know,

01:01:52.260 camel or,

01:01:53.000 or,

01:01:53.460 or yak yak

01:01:55.200 someplace on them.

01:01:56.360 You know what I mean?

01:01:57.380 And they,

01:01:58.680 everything moves,

01:01:59.300 everything moves

01:02:00.000 because we have

01:02:01.060 a certain set

01:02:02.300 of principles.

01:02:04.140 We don't have

01:02:05.440 a unum anymore

01:02:06.620 and,

01:02:08.420 and our unum

01:02:09.380 is being dismantled.

01:02:10.680 Our,

01:02:10.820 our,

01:02:11.300 our,

01:02:11.720 all men

01:02:12.740 are created equal.

01:02:13.620 It's just being

01:02:14.500 dismantled

01:02:15.580 piece by piece.

01:02:16.920 So,

01:02:17.580 when you say

01:02:18.980 we've got to have

01:02:19.740 a moral revival,

01:02:20.880 we have to have

01:02:21.500 a moral mandate,

01:02:22.600 based on what?

01:02:26.220 Well,

01:02:27.240 the,

01:02:27.840 the great thing

01:02:28.960 about America

01:02:29.720 is not that every,

01:02:32.000 every,

01:02:32.340 not that you have

01:02:33.400 people of 20

01:02:34.480 different cultures

01:02:35.260 in each room

01:02:36.640 and in each workplace.

01:02:38.300 It's,

01:02:39.000 it's not so much

01:02:39.880 about diversity

01:02:40.760 as it is

01:02:41.700 a diversity

01:02:42.800 of conformities.

01:02:44.440 So,

01:02:45.160 what happens

01:02:45.700 in America

01:02:46.340 is that there's,

01:02:47.780 the free society

01:02:48.800 allows people

01:02:49.580 to sort themselves

01:02:50.480 out by,

01:02:51.200 by interests,

01:02:52.640 by,

01:02:53.200 by,

01:02:53.860 by morality,

01:02:55.140 by values,

01:02:56.420 by,

01:02:57.020 by religion.

01:02:58.380 And so,

01:02:58.900 as I said earlier,

01:02:59.620 the,

01:02:59.940 the,

01:03:00.200 the seeds

01:03:00.960 are in the

01:03:01.400 Williamsburg section

01:03:02.200 of Brooklyn.

01:03:02.740 The Mormons

01:03:03.380 are,

01:03:03.980 are,

01:03:04.240 are in Utah.

01:03:05.420 The,

01:03:06.060 there's,

01:03:06.460 there's a Russian

01:03:07.220 community

01:03:07.860 in Howard Beach,

01:03:08.920 Queens,

01:03:09.580 New York,

01:03:10.100 you know,

01:03:10.680 and,

01:03:11.500 and,

01:03:13.200 and yet,

01:03:14.500 those boundaries

01:03:15.160 are not solid.

01:03:16.320 But if you go to,

01:03:17.180 but if you go to

01:03:18.040 Salt Lake City,

01:03:19.580 let's go to Provo

01:03:20.300 because that's like

01:03:20.880 really hardcore

01:03:22.160 more.

01:03:22.640 You go to Provo

01:03:24.020 and you go to

01:03:26.080 New York City,

01:03:26.860 there's lots of

01:03:28.480 differences,

01:03:29.640 but it's,

01:03:30.820 there's probably

01:03:31.280 more things similar.

01:03:33.000 Okay.

01:03:33.780 You go from

01:03:35.600 Provo

01:03:37.760 or let's say

01:03:38.960 New York

01:03:39.560 to parts

01:03:41.360 of Dearborn.

01:03:43.500 There's not

01:03:44.300 the unum there.

01:03:45.440 There's not,

01:03:46.920 they have,

01:03:48.100 the idea

01:03:49.180 used to be

01:03:50.000 we all

01:03:51.820 believe this

01:03:52.760 certain thing

01:03:53.640 about freedom.

01:03:55.080 You know what I mean?

01:03:56.100 And so we are

01:03:56.780 going to have

01:03:57.660 to do

01:03:58.800 this set

01:03:59.960 of things.

01:04:00.860 We are now,

01:04:01.820 you can go to

01:04:02.260 places in California

01:04:03.260 that are

01:04:03.860 as white

01:04:04.900 as I am

01:04:05.500 and we don't

01:04:07.000 see the world

01:04:07.800 the same way

01:04:08.860 and they'll allow

01:04:09.980 crapping in the streets

01:04:11.160 and I'm like,

01:04:11.980 what are we doing here?

01:04:13.540 They don't have

01:04:14.160 a sense of ownership

01:04:14.880 and so you have

01:04:15.740 people who have

01:04:16.560 divorced themselves

01:04:17.500 from their society

01:04:18.680 because they,

01:04:20.600 because Big Brother

01:04:21.380 will take care

01:04:22.140 of this

01:04:22.660 or that's not

01:04:23.480 my problem,

01:04:24.220 someone else's

01:04:24.860 and that's a real

01:04:25.920 cancer in a society

01:04:27.180 and it's true

01:04:28.220 whether it's in,

01:04:29.220 you know,

01:04:30.820 an unemployed

01:04:31.280 part of Michigan

01:04:33.320 or in Orange County,

01:04:35.220 California

01:04:35.620 and it's really

01:04:37.660 important

01:04:38.500 for this culture

01:04:40.980 and this great

01:04:42.000 society of America

01:04:43.440 that this great

01:04:44.140 experiment,

01:04:44.940 200 and some

01:04:45.900 years old,

01:04:47.240 to resuscitate

01:04:48.900 itself,

01:04:49.820 to give people

01:04:51.120 back a sense

01:04:51.900 of ownership

01:04:52.440 but the best way

01:04:53.860 to get them

01:04:54.360 the sense of ownership

01:04:55.220 is to make it

01:04:57.320 clear that

01:04:58.560 one,

01:04:59.000 they're free

01:04:59.580 and two,

01:05:01.800 that if they

01:05:02.560 have a response,

01:05:03.300 that other people

01:05:04.080 can judge them

01:05:04.960 based on their,

01:05:06.540 how they behave,

01:05:08.300 that they're,

01:05:09.240 that they can

01:05:09.940 take ownership

01:05:10.620 and if they don't,

01:05:12.400 they will be judged

01:05:13.040 accordingly.

01:05:32.320 Let me just play

01:05:33.380 devil's advocate.

01:05:34.960 who are you

01:05:36.300 to judge?

01:05:37.540 If I've heard that

01:05:38.120 once,

01:05:38.340 I've heard it a million times.

01:05:39.280 Sure,

01:05:39.620 who am I to judge?

01:05:40.800 I think everybody's

01:05:42.980 free to judge

01:05:43.460 and so,

01:05:44.720 so in my,

01:05:45.740 you know,

01:05:46.200 I'm happy to lay

01:05:47.620 down my chips

01:05:48.620 on the poker table

01:05:49.880 and say,

01:05:50.940 here's the community

01:05:52.260 I want to live in

01:05:53.400 where we have a say

01:05:54.920 in how the schools

01:05:55.620 are run,

01:05:56.300 where we have a say

01:05:57.100 in how we provide

01:05:57.880 social services,

01:05:58.920 where each of us

01:05:59.680 can judge each other

01:06:00.620 and those are my values.

01:06:03.100 Based on whose morality?

01:06:04.780 I'm like,

01:06:05.200 I'm stuck on this.

01:06:06.060 I'm telling you,

01:06:06.900 based on,

01:06:07.420 based on what's like

01:06:08.840 who's common sense.

01:06:11.340 I assert those values.

01:06:13.740 The person next to me

01:06:14.700 can say,

01:06:15.120 well,

01:06:15.220 I agree with that

01:06:15.900 except for this reason

01:06:16.760 and then we have a discussion

01:06:17.680 or we have an argument,

01:06:18.720 we have a disagreement,

01:06:19.420 fine.

01:06:20.340 We're not even having

01:06:21.280 that discussion now

01:06:22.160 and then what happens,

01:06:24.200 anybody who's been married

01:06:25.760 knows that humans

01:06:27.420 can readily disagree

01:06:29.160 with each other.

01:06:31.200 It's in the nature

01:06:32.520 of,

01:06:32.900 it's human nature.

01:06:33.680 Should we take this route

01:06:34.600 or that route?

01:06:35.420 Should we have this for dinner

01:06:36.920 or that for dinner?

01:06:37.620 It doesn't,

01:06:38.040 you know,

01:06:38.580 it's so in human nature.

01:06:40.340 Or I'm sick and tired of this

01:06:41.020 but that doesn't mean

01:06:41.740 I hate you.

01:06:42.380 Yeah,

01:06:42.600 exactly.

01:06:43.480 And so,

01:06:44.120 so what happens is,

01:06:45.520 and it's true

01:06:45.900 in any firm

01:06:47.040 and it's true

01:06:48.120 in all activities of life,

01:06:51.060 is that it's not

01:06:52.280 my values

01:06:53.560 that I'm asserting,

01:06:54.380 I'm simply saying

01:06:55.280 this is how I would do it.

01:06:57.300 And then somebody else says,

01:06:58.480 well,

01:06:58.680 I would do that

01:06:59.300 except for this or that.

01:07:00.960 And,

01:07:01.300 and these,

01:07:01.840 and the molecules bounce around

01:07:03.500 and they land someplace.

01:07:04.980 And where they landed

01:07:05.940 in America

01:07:06.660 was all these incredibly

01:07:08.080 healthy communities

01:07:09.040 that built this country.

01:07:10.520 And they landed in,

01:07:11.780 in companies

01:07:12.460 and they landed in small towns

01:07:14.600 and they landed in,

01:07:15.660 in,

01:07:16.560 in,

01:07:16.820 in great ventures.

01:07:18.280 Um,

01:07:19.300 you know,

01:07:20.120 9-11 was recently,

01:07:21.740 someone called me

01:07:22.740 two weeks after 9-11

01:07:23.960 and said,

01:07:25.340 and I was chair

01:07:26.200 of the leading

01:07:27.520 architectural civic group

01:07:28.880 in New York.

01:07:29.800 And they said,

01:07:30.280 you know,

01:07:30.820 I,

01:07:31.140 I,

01:07:31.500 it just seems so empty

01:07:33.100 looking downtown

01:07:33.840 now from my window.

01:07:35.580 Uh,

01:07:35.860 somebody should put lights

01:07:37.000 down there.

01:07:38.820 This is,

01:07:39.200 this is an architect

01:07:39.720 friend of mine.

01:07:40.840 Somebody should put,

01:07:41.340 I say,

01:07:41.660 gosh,

01:07:41.880 that's a really good idea.

01:07:43.600 So,

01:07:44.320 what happened?

01:07:46.580 It was his idea.

01:07:48.360 I said,

01:07:48.780 Justin,

01:07:49.120 what a nice thing

01:07:50.000 that would be.

01:07:51.360 Uh,

01:07:52.000 I,

01:07:52.320 I,

01:07:52.620 I ran up the flagpole

01:07:54.080 at city hall,

01:07:55.100 but they were too busy

01:07:55.820 trying to catch terrorists.

01:07:57.720 So I said,

01:07:58.280 well,

01:07:58.660 we're going to have to

01:07:59.560 organize this a little better.

01:08:00.660 So I got,

01:08:01.100 uh,

01:08:01.920 somebody who knew

01:08:02.680 David Rockefeller.

01:08:03.760 I went and talked to him.

01:08:04.960 He thought it was a good idea.

01:08:06.000 So he and I co-signed

01:08:06.940 a letter to the mayor

01:08:07.840 saying we will do this

01:08:09.340 and we'll organize

01:08:10.160 how to pay for it.

01:08:11.000 And that became

01:08:12.100 the Tribune in Light Memorial

01:08:13.500 that now goes up

01:08:14.780 every year at 9-11.

01:08:15.860 Those twin beams

01:08:16.640 that go up a mile

01:08:17.460 in the sky.

01:08:18.180 It's incredibly beautiful.

01:08:19.040 It was just because

01:08:20.560 some friend of mine,

01:08:22.800 his name was Richard Gould,

01:08:24.180 had the idea

01:08:25.000 and he helped execute the idea.

01:08:27.420 And somebody else,

01:08:28.500 me and Mr. Rockefeller

01:08:29.660 and ultimately some others,

01:08:32.020 made it happen.

01:08:34.100 That,

01:08:34.320 that,

01:08:34.680 that's happened

01:08:35.460 in this society

01:08:37.080 a kajillion times

01:08:39.080 because people

01:08:40.560 in America

01:08:41.580 owned America

01:08:42.720 and they knew,

01:08:43.620 they wanted to do things.

01:08:45.080 Sometimes it was

01:08:45.980 building a business.

01:08:46.800 Sometimes it was

01:08:47.380 doing something civic.

01:08:48.180 And,

01:08:49.240 and it's not about

01:08:51.360 asserting my idea.

01:08:53.000 It's about having an idea.

01:08:54.520 It's about having

01:08:55.020 a hypothesis.

01:08:56.760 Okay.

01:08:58.180 I honestly,

01:08:59.320 I mean this.

01:09:00.240 I,

01:09:01.360 that is my favorite

01:09:04.680 tribute to anything

01:09:06.500 on planet Earth

01:09:08.240 is what you did.

01:09:09.740 I think that is

01:09:10.720 the most stunning,

01:09:11.740 most beautiful.

01:09:12.640 I think it should be done

01:09:13.980 every day.

01:09:14.820 I love

01:09:16.020 the two towers of light.

01:09:18.340 I just love it.

01:09:21.380 But do you know

01:09:22.160 how many birds

01:09:22.800 are going off?

01:09:24.440 You know,

01:09:25.180 it's funny.

01:09:25.960 So,

01:09:26.260 so the,

01:09:26.880 so the Ottoman society

01:09:28.140 decided they were

01:09:29.340 going to oppose it,

01:09:30.220 right?

01:09:30.780 So,

01:09:31.000 because there's,

01:09:31.360 everybody will oppose

01:09:32.160 anything in America.

01:09:33.040 So,

01:09:33.840 so we said,

01:09:35.780 well,

01:09:35.900 let's see how it works.

01:09:36.860 So,

01:09:37.220 so we put up the,

01:09:38.820 the first time the,

01:09:40.040 the lights,

01:09:40.600 we put in the tests

01:09:41.440 and stuff and the

01:09:42.420 Ottoman society came. 0.87

01:09:44.720 Well,

01:09:45.060 it turned out

01:09:46.060 that it was like

01:09:47.740 their dream come true.

01:09:49.860 It was like a smorgasbord

01:09:51.360 at the biggest party

01:09:52.440 in the world

01:09:52.980 because the lights

01:09:53.860 attracted insects.

01:09:55.180 And so the birds

01:09:56.640 came in

01:09:57.520 and it was,

01:09:58.340 there was this feeding.

01:09:59.780 The birds wished

01:10:00.960 it was there

01:10:01.440 every night.

01:10:02.760 There was no harm.

01:10:04.860 There was no harm

01:10:05.860 to the birds.

01:10:06.620 It was only,

01:10:07.460 only a really good dinner.

01:10:11.120 So it was,

01:10:12.700 that's not the story

01:10:13.900 I just read again

01:10:15.940 this year.

01:10:16.860 You're kidding.

01:10:17.500 No,

01:10:18.040 no,

01:10:18.560 they're still saying

01:10:19.380 it takes birds

01:10:20.760 off their migration path

01:10:22.320 and yada,

01:10:23.540 yada,

01:10:23.840 yada.

01:10:24.100 You know,

01:10:24.240 one night.

01:10:24.720 It's really,

01:10:25.940 anyway,

01:10:26.900 it's a,

01:10:28.140 but,

01:10:28.440 but America

01:10:29.960 is about people

01:10:31.460 who,

01:10:32.220 who own

01:10:33.180 their choices

01:10:34.900 and they own

01:10:35.520 their communities.

01:10:36.660 And so going back

01:10:38.200 to the idea

01:10:39.000 of how do you,

01:10:40.300 whose values,

01:10:41.080 whatever,

01:10:41.900 and I'm introducing

01:10:42.900 a new idea here

01:10:43.860 is,

01:10:44.960 is that,

01:10:45.480 is that each of us

01:10:46.440 has the right

01:10:47.440 and the power

01:10:48.160 to come up

01:10:49.220 with an idea.

01:10:50.160 I think this is the way

01:10:51.180 to solve the problem.

01:10:52.400 And if you're in a good

01:10:53.260 organization,

01:10:53.920 like yours

01:10:54.760 or any other one,

01:10:55.920 somebody else will say,

01:10:57.380 well,

01:10:57.640 I wouldn't do it that way

01:10:58.820 because of this,

01:10:59.640 but maybe that way.

01:11:00.560 And you go back and forth

01:11:01.760 and then you have to make

01:11:03.040 a decision

01:11:03.460 and things get done.

01:11:04.920 That's the way it works

01:11:05.740 on a farm.

01:11:06.780 It works that way

01:11:07.540 in all,

01:11:08.880 all life activities.

01:11:10.700 And that's,

01:11:11.260 joint accomplishment

01:11:12.800 is almost always better

01:11:14.560 than just one person

01:11:15.560 acting solo

01:11:16.200 because you get educated,

01:11:17.580 right?

01:11:17.720 So we need to come up

01:11:19.400 with a hypothesis

01:11:20.220 of how this society works

01:11:22.880 and we need to make it

01:11:23.880 and eventually

01:11:24.360 it could be a party

01:11:25.420 into a party.

01:11:26.740 Here's how it's going to work.

01:11:28.520 This is how the schools

01:11:29.320 are going to work better.

01:11:30.480 This is how we're going

01:11:31.180 to make regulation

01:11:31.780 work better.

01:11:32.260 Here's what I'd like

01:11:33.400 to suggest.

01:11:35.660 You know,

01:11:36.280 if we just had like

01:11:37.460 laboratories

01:11:39.180 that,

01:11:40.580 for instance,

01:11:40.940 you want universal

01:11:41.640 health care.

01:11:42.960 Great.

01:11:43.520 We could have a laboratory.

01:11:44.940 Let's call it a state.

01:11:46.860 They could do it one way

01:11:48.380 and another state

01:11:49.200 could do it another way.

01:11:50.640 Better.

01:11:50.980 And whichever one works out,

01:11:53.440 if it does actually

01:11:55.060 change things,

01:11:55.840 the other laboratories

01:11:57.000 will say,

01:11:57.640 I like that one.

01:11:58.780 I volunteer to go

01:12:00.280 and do that as well.

01:12:02.660 We don't do that.

01:12:03.960 Exactly.

01:12:04.500 Well,

01:12:04.700 one of the great virtues

01:12:05.680 of principles-based

01:12:07.100 regulation

01:12:08.500 where you set about goals,

01:12:10.460 so let's,

01:12:11.040 really simplistic,

01:12:12.220 let's have good schools.

01:12:13.380 You know,

01:12:14.140 so let's say

01:12:14.880 that's the goal,

01:12:16.120 right?

01:12:17.140 And you have a few principles

01:12:18.320 like not discriminate,

01:12:19.600 but not many,

01:12:21.860 is it gives back

01:12:23.220 to the states

01:12:24.060 and to communities

01:12:24.980 the freedom

01:12:25.480 to do it

01:12:25.900 in their own way

01:12:26.460 so they can become laboratories.

01:12:28.460 The terror

01:12:29.280 of 150 million

01:12:32.160 words of binding

01:12:33.020 federal law

01:12:33.600 and regulation

01:12:34.200 is it creates

01:12:35.480 this suffocating uniformity

01:12:37.400 across all states

01:12:38.600 so no one can innovate

01:12:39.720 because you all have to do it

01:12:41.840 the way Big Brother

01:12:42.940 in Washington.

01:12:44.120 You know,

01:12:44.340 there's that great story

01:12:45.260 which I have in the book

01:12:46.500 of the guy

01:12:48.580 with the apple orchard.

01:12:49.820 So he has

01:12:50.480 5,000 rules,

01:12:52.660 the upstate family-owned

01:12:53.580 apple orchard,

01:12:54.180 5,000 rules

01:12:55.120 from 17 different agencies.

01:12:59.680 They have 13 clipboards

01:13:01.500 in their office

01:13:02.620 trying to keep track

01:13:04.480 of all the paperwork

01:13:05.200 in the rules

01:13:05.840 and the rules

01:13:07.480 are just extraordinarily granular.

01:13:09.740 You can imagine

01:13:10.300 they're being,

01:13:10.880 you know,

01:13:11.140 because you don't want

01:13:11.800 pesticides

01:13:12.360 that are really dangerous

01:13:13.520 in the apples

01:13:14.080 and, you know,

01:13:14.660 so there are things

01:13:15.340 that I think

01:13:16.600 government oversight

01:13:17.380 is worth having.

01:13:19.180 You want to have

01:13:19.520 clean apples.

01:13:21.620 But you can have those things.

01:13:24.300 You can have those be goals

01:13:25.400 and maybe it's rules,

01:13:26.320 but 5,000 rules

01:13:27.320 from 17 different agencies.

01:13:28.580 But the rules,

01:13:29.080 so one of the rules

01:13:29.980 requires that

01:13:31.900 when they pick the apples

01:13:33.800 and they're taking

01:13:34.440 the apples

01:13:35.020 from the orchard

01:13:37.220 in the cart

01:13:38.140 to the barn

01:13:38.800 to be washed,

01:13:40.340 that the apples

01:13:41.020 have to be covered

01:13:41.940 with a cloth

01:13:42.800 to protect them

01:13:43.680 against bird droppings.

01:13:46.880 Now,

01:13:48.920 those apples

01:13:51.760 have been growing

01:13:52.800 on the tree

01:13:53.320 for five months

01:13:54.320 and the government

01:13:55.820 has said nothing

01:13:56.680 to protect them

01:13:57.500 against bird droppings.

01:13:58.760 The birds are in the trees.

01:14:00.340 Yeah,

01:14:00.620 the birds are in the trees.

01:14:01.800 I mean,

01:14:02.000 it's truly just idiotic.

01:14:03.900 So you have this stuff

01:14:05.360 that drives Americans

01:14:07.740 to want to pick up

01:14:09.740 their pitchforks

01:14:10.620 because it's so stupid. 0.86

01:14:13.880 So get rid

01:14:15.040 of all that stuff.

01:14:16.520 Have your goals.

01:14:17.520 Have your principles.

01:14:18.840 And area by area,

01:14:19.780 we could do this.

01:14:21.140 You know,

01:14:21.500 the other day,

01:14:21.900 you said in two days

01:14:23.180 we could solve the problem.

01:14:24.240 Well, actually,

01:14:25.260 that's not that far off.

01:14:26.820 You know,

01:14:27.100 leaving aside health care,

01:14:28.240 which is a little complicated

01:14:29.300 for a variety of reasons

01:14:30.480 of, you know,

01:14:31.460 because it can cost

01:14:32.280 an infinite amount of money.

01:14:33.600 So how do you draw the line?

01:14:34.760 But, you know,

01:14:35.660 and that's a separate discussion.

01:14:37.240 But I still believe in people.

01:14:41.880 I believe if they are free,

01:14:44.640 they will figure it out.

01:14:46.540 If they are free from companies

01:14:49.000 who are getting in bed

01:14:50.540 with the lawmakers

01:14:52.680 and they all are looking at capital,

01:14:55.860 capitalism is the greatest system

01:14:58.180 of charity ever.

01:15:00.680 If everyone involved is saying,

01:15:04.180 how can I make things better?

01:15:05.780 I'll get rich.

01:15:06.780 I'll get rich.

01:15:07.580 You'll get rich.

01:15:08.180 We'll all get rich.

01:15:09.080 How can I make something

01:15:10.560 that makes people's lives easier?

01:15:13.140 If we can get money,

01:15:16.880 the grotesqueness

01:15:18.640 of that relationship

01:15:20.460 in Washington out,

01:15:22.840 I still believe

01:15:24.000 the solution will come

01:15:26.080 from a group of doctors someplace.

01:15:28.260 Completely.

01:15:29.120 And so it's all about empowerment.

01:15:31.840 What's happened

01:15:32.600 is there's a whole industry

01:15:34.620 of people who exist solely

01:15:37.940 to write and manage

01:15:40.880 and report on red tape.

01:15:43.420 Not even just in Washington.

01:15:45.480 There are all these,

01:15:46.080 you know,

01:15:46.340 I mean,

01:15:47.340 in every category,

01:15:48.880 nothing,

01:15:49.360 but there's a whole industry

01:15:50.360 of those people.

01:15:51.660 They are the enemy.

01:15:53.080 They and Washington

01:15:54.320 are the enemy

01:15:55.060 because they have

01:15:55.880 a vested interest

01:15:56.840 in this horrible system.

01:15:58.460 And the goal

01:15:59.580 is human empowerment

01:16:00.980 plus human accountability.

01:16:03.460 So how do you do this?

01:16:04.300 How do you roll this out

01:16:05.260 around the country?

01:16:06.060 You say,

01:16:06.500 you know,

01:16:06.700 it's not a party,

01:16:07.580 but it would have to be eventually.

01:16:09.880 But what,

01:16:10.500 how do you roll this out?

01:16:12.260 Well,

01:16:12.620 we're,

01:16:13.080 so,

01:16:13.780 so we're thinking of,

01:16:15.340 I'm talking to

01:16:16.460 Mitch Daniels

01:16:17.500 and Bill Bradley,

01:16:18.420 people,

01:16:18.780 you know,

01:16:19.200 different parties and such.

01:16:20.660 I've been talking to a couple

01:16:22.060 of presidential candidates,

01:16:23.680 long shot presidential candidates

01:16:25.120 about this,

01:16:25.940 but,

01:16:26.220 but we're thinking of rolling out

01:16:28.640 a,

01:16:29.160 the beginning of a campaign.

01:16:33.880 We might call it

01:16:34.800 principled America

01:16:35.780 or we might call it

01:16:36.640 reboot Washington

01:16:37.520 or something like that

01:16:38.580 based on core principles,

01:16:41.460 you know,

01:16:42.580 responsibility,

01:16:44.120 accountability,

01:16:46.100 rebooting all regulation,

01:16:48.260 not to deregulate necessarily,

01:16:49.920 just to make it work,

01:16:51.160 make it practical,

01:16:52.460 you know,

01:16:52.760 bringing order to lawsuits

01:16:55.120 so people can't go around

01:16:56.380 with a legal sword

01:16:57.240 and threaten people

01:16:57.980 all day long.

01:16:58.660 So we have some core principles

01:16:59.860 based on core principles

01:17:01.380 and,

01:17:02.320 and we want to create

01:17:03.720 a citizen movement,

01:17:05.200 a place where citizens

01:17:06.460 can sign up

01:17:07.300 at either party

01:17:08.000 and say,

01:17:09.080 I am interested

01:17:09.960 in participating

01:17:11.740 in a movement

01:17:12.840 that would accomplish

01:17:13.820 these goals,

01:17:14.680 that would re-empower me

01:17:16.260 and my friends

01:17:17.180 and my community

01:17:18.120 to make sense

01:17:19.520 of our lives.

01:17:21.260 Still based on

01:17:22.200 the Constitution

01:17:22.780 of the United States.

01:17:23.680 Still based on

01:17:24.180 the Constitution.

01:17:24.940 Keep the Constitution.

01:17:26.440 And the Bill of Rights.

01:17:27.440 And the Bill of Rights.

01:17:28.200 All that.

01:17:28.840 It's all about

01:17:29.980 going back

01:17:31.080 to what the Constitution

01:17:32.020 is supposed to be doing,

01:17:33.680 which is,

01:17:34.200 which is creating

01:17:35.260 a framework

01:17:35.780 for a free society.

01:17:37.120 And Washington

01:17:37.960 instead has become

01:17:39.140 this,

01:17:39.560 this nanny 0.99

01:17:41.260 that tells everybody,

01:17:44.120 literally people spending,

01:17:45.980 I mean,

01:17:46.220 not all day,

01:17:46.960 but half the day

01:17:48.620 worrying about

01:17:51.540 legal compliance.

01:17:52.640 That's just not

01:17:53.280 a free society.

01:17:54.340 We're having a problem

01:17:55.020 right now

01:17:55.660 with doctors,

01:17:57.420 and I would have seen

01:17:57.940 this one coming.

01:17:59.180 We're having a problem

01:17:59.800 with doctors now

01:18:00.540 where people

01:18:01.280 are becoming

01:18:02.340 practitioners,

01:18:05.740 nurse practitioners

01:18:06.640 or, you know,

01:18:07.700 the assistant

01:18:08.260 to the doctor

01:18:08.960 as close as you can

01:18:10.260 without being the MD

01:18:11.280 because they know

01:18:12.340 once they get the MD,

01:18:13.380 they are responsible

01:18:14.860 for all of that stuff.

01:18:16.100 And they just,

01:18:17.380 like most doctors,

01:18:18.640 they just want

01:18:19.320 to heal people.

01:18:20.520 Right.

01:18:20.960 You know,

01:18:21.740 it's crushing.

01:18:23.660 You know,

01:18:24.180 it's actually,

01:18:25.820 the whole thing

01:18:26.580 about burnout

01:18:27.140 with teachers

01:18:27.660 and doctors

01:18:28.240 and nurses 0.99

01:18:28.740 and stuff

01:18:29.200 is really,

01:18:29.780 it's really tragic.

01:18:31.560 These are all people

01:18:32.520 who want to do good.

01:18:34.000 So,

01:18:34.380 so we have this idea

01:18:35.800 of principled America

01:18:36.840 and the not-for-profit

01:18:37.960 of commongood.org.

01:18:39.620 People can sign up.

01:18:40.580 It's free.

01:18:40.960 But we have to figure out

01:18:43.620 a way to make this

01:18:45.040 into a movement.

01:18:46.360 We just have to do.

01:18:47.580 I mean,

01:18:47.840 we're,

01:18:48.120 I just hired a filmmaker.

01:18:49.900 You know,

01:18:50.460 we're going to do

01:18:50.980 15 short films

01:18:52.940 about the idiocies

01:18:54.440 in daily life

01:18:56.340 that stem right

01:18:57.520 from overbearing government

01:18:59.960 and where the solution

01:19:01.580 isn't to get rid

01:19:02.600 of government

01:19:03.180 but to get rid

01:19:04.200 of the micromanagement

01:19:06.300 from government

01:19:06.940 to give back to people

01:19:07.980 the freedom

01:19:08.440 to make choices

01:19:09.140 for themselves.

01:19:09.680 So we're going

01:19:10.380 to do 15 movies

01:19:11.720 that we're going

01:19:12.500 to launch sometime

01:19:13.200 in the fall.

01:19:14.820 I mean,

01:19:15.160 we're talking

01:19:15.420 about one,

01:19:15.860 two-minute clips.

01:19:16.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:17.100 You know,

01:19:17.600 that in order

01:19:18.800 to begin to get people

01:19:20.680 thinking about this

01:19:21.820 in a different way

01:19:22.600 and ultimately

01:19:23.800 if we get political leaders

01:19:25.640 like in this

01:19:26.320 elected campaign,

01:19:27.480 if we get Donald Trump

01:19:28.720 or some of the Democrats

01:19:29.980 talking this way,

01:19:32.280 I think this idea

01:19:34.060 has legs.

01:19:34.740 The whole idea

01:19:35.260 of human empowerment

01:19:36.200 and rebooting Washington. 0.83

01:19:37.540 I will tell you,

01:19:37.560 Philip,

01:19:37.820 we talked for 20 minutes

01:19:38.900 when I was in New York

01:19:39.900 and I invited you down.

01:19:41.100 I think the secret,

01:19:44.700 you're running out of time

01:19:45.920 and I think the secret

01:19:48.520 is being able

01:19:50.300 to convince people

01:19:51.720 because they've already

01:19:53.520 done the tea party.

01:19:55.720 They've already done

01:19:56.860 the, you know,

01:19:58.040 the women's,

01:19:58.740 all of that

01:19:59.440 and they just don't believe

01:20:01.940 in any of it anymore.

01:20:03.580 They just don't

01:20:04.620 and you have to find a way

01:20:07.860 to tell them

01:20:09.000 there's a door

01:20:10.940 to this bakery.

01:20:12.300 You've had your face

01:20:13.860 up to the glass

01:20:14.620 the whole time

01:20:15.180 and I understand

01:20:15.880 how you feel

01:20:16.800 but there is a door

01:20:18.120 and here's the door

01:20:19.320 and it will work.

01:20:21.580 You know,

01:20:21.760 what the tea party

01:20:22.780 did not have

01:20:23.820 and this is all

01:20:24.500 in hindsight,

01:20:25.120 the tea party was great.

01:20:26.520 I mean,

01:20:26.760 it was just an unbelievable,

01:20:28.400 spontaneous,

01:20:29.400 fantastic thing,

01:20:30.740 fantastic movement.

01:20:31.980 What it didn't have

01:20:33.380 was an alternative,

01:20:35.240 coherent,

01:20:35.980 governing vision.

01:20:37.500 It said,

01:20:38.060 we don't like Washington

01:20:39.340 and the implication,

01:20:42.120 just get rid of it

01:20:43.000 but then when push

01:20:43.640 comes to shove,

01:20:44.820 people don't,

01:20:45.580 in fact,

01:20:45.880 want lead paint

01:20:46.480 on their toys

01:20:47.100 or, you know,

01:20:48.060 whatever.

01:20:48.580 So they didn't have

01:20:49.740 a coherent vision.

01:20:51.360 What we have

01:20:52.120 is a coherent vision

01:20:55.120 for how we would deal

01:20:56.260 with all these things,

01:20:57.100 how you make government

01:20:57.760 officials accountable,

01:20:59.040 how you make regulations

01:21:00.080 so it doesn't,

01:21:01.900 so you don't have

01:21:02.460 to spend half the day

01:21:03.140 filling out forms.

01:21:04.440 You know,

01:21:04.660 we have a vision

01:21:05.540 for how to do that,

01:21:06.400 how to get infrastructure

01:21:07.420 approved so you can

01:21:08.280 fix the broken bridge

01:21:09.380 this year

01:21:10.460 instead of in 10 years.

01:21:12.160 You know,

01:21:12.740 it's amazing

01:21:13.300 and unfortunately

01:21:16.160 I've been looking

01:21:17.120 for it for the last

01:21:18.160 15 years.

01:21:19.600 I'm looking for the,

01:21:21.140 I'm looking for the,

01:21:24.600 the beat down

01:21:25.740 in the well

01:21:26.220 of the Senate

01:21:26.820 that happened

01:21:27.400 in what,

01:21:28.120 1850.

01:21:29.160 Oh yeah.

01:21:29.660 He was Sumner.

01:21:30.500 Sumner, yeah.

01:21:32.740 And,

01:21:33.400 and that came

01:21:34.880 from a sense

01:21:36.720 that I think

01:21:37.320 Americans feel 0.79

01:21:38.120 right now

01:21:38.840 neither one of you,

01:21:41.840 the Democrats

01:21:42.520 and the Whigs,

01:21:43.740 neither one of you

01:21:45.140 are serious

01:21:46.120 about solving

01:21:46.820 these problems

01:21:47.560 like slavery.

01:21:49.120 And he was

01:21:50.260 beaten down

01:21:51.340 and out of that

01:21:52.680 came Democrats

01:21:54.460 and Whigs

01:21:55.440 come together

01:21:56.840 to form

01:21:57.260 a new party

01:21:58.020 that was about

01:21:58.720 a new principle

01:22:00.300 and without

01:22:01.600 the internet

01:22:02.380 with,

01:22:02.860 I mean,

01:22:03.060 with newspaper

01:22:04.080 and barely

01:22:05.320 telegraph,

01:22:06.520 the Republicans

01:22:07.880 took over

01:22:09.460 in six years

01:22:12.080 from nothing

01:22:14.020 to six years.

01:22:16.200 Right.

01:22:16.500 So what,

01:22:17.520 what history

01:22:18.120 will tell you

01:22:18.940 is that

01:22:20.040 what we know

01:22:20.860 that we're in a period

01:22:21.880 where change

01:22:22.900 is the ground

01:22:23.540 is shaking,

01:22:24.360 you know,

01:22:24.640 with,

01:22:24.840 with,

01:22:25.100 with Trump's election

01:22:26.140 and Obama's election

01:22:27.280 and lots of other stuff

01:22:28.340 going on.

01:22:28.800 The Tea Party,

01:22:29.960 you know,

01:22:30.240 we know the ground

01:22:30.880 is shaking.

01:22:32.140 The,

01:22:32.160 for socialism.

01:22:33.600 Yeah,

01:22:33.900 yeah.

01:22:34.380 You know,

01:22:34.580 the ground is shaking.

01:22:35.440 It could go anywhere.

01:22:36.240 It's like the Russian 0.99

01:22:36.740 Revolution or something,

01:22:37.820 right?

01:22:38.200 So you could go anywhere.

01:22:40.960 When change happens

01:22:42.720 will depend

01:22:44.120 on

01:22:45.260 a confluence

01:22:47.980 of events

01:22:48.580 that cannot be predicted.

01:22:50.740 You know,

01:22:51.020 somebody gets beaten

01:22:51.860 on the floor

01:22:52.300 of the Senate.

01:22:52.880 I mean,

01:22:53.080 you know,

01:22:53.440 or whatever.

01:22:54.120 I mean,

01:22:54.440 you know,

01:22:55.140 9-11.

01:22:55.800 I mean,

01:22:55.960 something happens

01:22:56.720 that you can't predict.

01:22:58.220 However,

01:22:59.400 what's really important

01:23:00.720 to do now

01:23:01.560 is before that happens

01:23:03.880 at the guardrails

01:23:04.940 is to,

01:23:06.140 is to create a vision

01:23:07.800 which people begin

01:23:09.520 to understand

01:23:10.520 is the one

01:23:12.100 that would actually

01:23:12.900 give them back

01:23:13.820 what they want,

01:23:15.080 which is a free society,

01:23:17.140 not a benevolent dictator,

01:23:19.500 not a,

01:23:20.400 you know,

01:23:20.740 but a free society

01:23:22.440 in a democratic state

01:23:24.820 where people

01:23:26.040 in different communities

01:23:27.120 have a sense

01:23:28.260 of ownership

01:23:29.580 not only

01:23:30.080 of their own lives

01:23:30.720 but of their communities

01:23:31.540 and we're committed

01:23:35.860 to building that vision.

01:23:37.060 I've got all these

01:23:37.780 really important people

01:23:38.880 signed up,

01:23:39.600 Al Simpson,

01:23:40.300 Ms. Daniels,

01:23:41.060 I was talking to Jerry Brown

01:23:42.100 the other day,

01:23:43.020 you know,

01:23:43.260 Democrats and Republicans,

01:23:44.760 everybody knows

01:23:45.600 it's broken

01:23:46.140 and they can't figure out

01:23:47.240 how to talk about it.

01:23:48.060 Well,

01:23:48.660 I think we can talk about it.

01:23:49.920 I think you can talk about it.

01:23:51.520 It really is as simple

01:23:52.740 as empowerment,

01:23:53.960 responsibility,

01:23:54.980 accountability,

01:23:56.280 you know,

01:23:56.700 and let people be judged.

01:23:58.620 It's so funny

01:23:59.320 in the modern world,

01:24:00.220 we won't let anybody,

01:24:01.880 it's so politically incorrect

01:24:03.280 to say,

01:24:03.860 you know,

01:24:04.380 I don't want to work with you

01:24:06.160 or I think you have

01:24:07.280 lousy ideas,

01:24:08.180 we're not going to do that.

01:24:09.000 That's the currency

01:24:12.380 of a free society

01:24:13.600 is in America,

01:24:14.680 you're talking about

01:24:14.960 all those people

01:24:15.460 on the street

01:24:16.000 and people are judging

01:24:17.500 each other all day long,

01:24:18.920 you're finding

01:24:19.560 all day long,

01:24:20.480 that's the currency.

01:24:21.640 Our society is going

01:24:23.140 against human nature.

01:24:24.360 Yeah,

01:24:24.700 completely.

01:24:25.420 Completely against human nature.

01:24:26.700 Yeah.

01:24:28.000 I want to run something by you

01:24:30.540 and it's something

01:24:35.300 that I'm,

01:24:38.120 it's a timeline question.

01:24:43.560 I've been watching

01:24:44.520 financial markets

01:24:45.420 and watching what's happening

01:24:46.420 all around the world.

01:24:47.100 The whole world

01:24:47.820 is just on the brink

01:24:49.020 and financial institutions

01:24:52.080 are on the brink

01:24:52.840 and especially overseas.

01:24:55.280 We now have sovereign funds

01:24:56.900 moving billions of dollars

01:24:58.900 into America.

01:24:59.940 We are the last great hope

01:25:03.000 of the world right now.

01:25:04.560 No questions asked.

01:25:06.400 Money doesn't talk,

01:25:07.580 it screams.

01:25:09.100 And when European countries

01:25:11.260 are taking money

01:25:12.340 out of Europe

01:25:13.460 and they're sending it over to us,

01:25:17.560 they know,

01:25:18.940 please America,

01:25:19.960 don't fail.

01:25:21.340 Right.

01:25:21.640 Okay?

01:25:22.120 So if we fail,

01:25:24.120 the whole thing goes down.

01:25:25.720 Would you agree

01:25:26.100 with this premise so far?

01:25:27.220 Yes.

01:25:27.620 Okay.

01:25:29.940 We're the anchor.

01:25:33.700 Yes,

01:25:33.960 we are.

01:25:36.580 Let me give you another premise.

01:25:37.920 I'm just going to lay

01:25:38.400 a few things out

01:25:39.000 and then I'll tie them together.

01:25:40.760 Would you agree

01:25:41.580 that Donald Trump

01:25:42.360 does not get elected

01:25:43.680 if we have

01:25:44.800 bad financial

01:25:46.220 storms?

01:25:48.340 You know,

01:25:48.520 we go into a deep recession

01:25:49.740 if something bad happens

01:25:50.940 that we get a repeat

01:25:51.880 of the election

01:25:53.680 of 08

01:25:54.520 where we got to try

01:25:55.760 something different?

01:25:56.940 Probably.

01:25:57.560 Yes.

01:25:57.860 Probably.

01:26:01.200 I've talked to

01:26:02.480 many heads

01:26:03.680 of big corporations

01:26:05.240 who quite frankly

01:26:06.820 10 years ago

01:26:08.400 hated my guts

01:26:09.860 because they were

01:26:10.680 so progressive.

01:26:12.240 They're now looking

01:26:13.520 at this field

01:26:14.600 of Democrats

01:26:15.220 and they're all

01:26:16.360 saying the same thing.

01:26:17.260 I'll vote

01:26:17.920 for Donald Trump.

01:26:18.860 I'll practically

01:26:19.560 vote for the Antichrist

01:26:21.220 over them

01:26:22.560 because they're

01:26:23.880 telling us

01:26:24.940 I'm going to

01:26:26.320 take the free market

01:26:27.400 and I'm going to

01:26:27.960 turn it upside down.

01:26:29.960 Here's the

01:26:30.800 here's the question.

01:26:31.740 if someone

01:26:35.480 like Elizabeth Warren

01:26:37.160 becomes

01:26:38.400 the

01:26:39.280 candidate

01:26:40.020 for the Democrats

01:26:41.800 or

01:26:43.060 is a

01:26:43.820 vice presidential

01:26:44.500 candidate

01:26:44.980 under somebody

01:26:45.680 like Biden

01:26:46.220 or very

01:26:47.000 empowered

01:26:47.700 for

01:26:49.660 something to do

01:26:50.440 with the

01:26:50.760 financial

01:26:51.160 sector

01:26:52.640 the

01:26:53.420 everybody

01:26:55.100 with big money

01:26:56.080 will bake

01:26:57.740 that in

01:26:58.400 and they will

01:26:58.860 start to protect

01:26:59.820 they'll start

01:27:00.800 to pull money

01:27:01.440 out and do

01:27:02.260 different things

01:27:03.060 and they will

01:27:04.400 and that

01:27:04.940 the more you

01:27:06.120 talk about

01:27:07.080 as a

01:27:07.680 as a

01:27:08.320 socialist

01:27:09.160 that I'm

01:27:10.320 going to

01:27:10.660 turn this

01:27:11.240 economy

01:27:11.760 inside and

01:27:12.620 out

01:27:12.840 the faster

01:27:14.320 we would

01:27:15.220 go

01:27:15.560 which would

01:27:16.280 lead to

01:27:17.200 a loss

01:27:17.900 of the

01:27:18.460 the

01:27:19.160 the

01:27:19.880 Republican

01:27:21.160 because the

01:27:22.500 media

01:27:22.840 and the

01:27:23.580 Democrats

01:27:23.940 are so good

01:27:24.760 at saying

01:27:25.180 it's evil

01:27:25.980 capitalism

01:27:26.560 that's doing

01:27:27.160 to this

01:27:27.520 we need

01:27:28.020 a change

01:27:28.740 I think

01:27:30.300 you have

01:27:30.700 a very

01:27:31.100 short

01:27:31.600 time

01:27:32.020 period

01:27:32.360 to get

01:27:32.740 this

01:27:32.980 going

01:27:33.380 yeah

01:27:34.720 it's

01:27:34.960 interesting

01:27:35.260 I

01:27:35.720 you know

01:27:36.100 I think

01:27:36.500 that what's

01:27:36.920 happening

01:27:37.300 in the

01:27:37.680 current

01:27:37.940 electoral

01:27:38.340 cycle

01:27:38.800 is that

01:27:39.520 Donald Trump

01:27:41.060 is actually

01:27:41.680 writing the

01:27:42.900 scripts for

01:27:43.440 the Democratic

01:27:43.980 candidates

01:27:44.640 he could not

01:27:46.460 have done

01:27:46.740 a better

01:27:47.040 job

01:27:47.560 you know

01:27:48.140 because

01:27:50.000 people will

01:27:51.700 vote for

01:27:52.420 him

01:27:52.700 even if

01:27:52.960 they don't

01:27:53.200 like him

01:27:53.780 rather than

01:27:55.380 a socialist

01:27:56.780 loony

01:27:57.320 of any

01:27:58.480 sort

01:27:58.920 so I

01:27:59.480 unless

01:28:01.060 there's

01:28:01.480 real

01:28:01.880 turmoil

01:28:02.360 unless

01:28:02.880 there's

01:28:03.260 real

01:28:03.480 turmoil

01:28:03.980 that's

01:28:06.580 right

01:28:06.820 and so

01:28:07.620 I do

01:28:08.940 think

01:28:09.200 there's

01:28:09.500 a short

01:28:09.980 time frame

01:28:10.780 do you

01:28:11.760 agree

01:28:12.000 with the

01:28:12.340 premise

01:28:12.620 that

01:28:12.960 markets

01:28:15.000 will

01:28:15.340 change

01:28:15.960 if

01:28:16.300 that

01:28:16.600 is

01:28:16.920 yes

01:28:18.180 I think

01:28:18.880 the market

01:28:19.360 I mean

01:28:19.720 I'm not

01:28:20.200 I don't

01:28:20.660 think

01:28:20.860 I don't

01:28:21.220 have

01:28:21.380 ultimate

01:28:21.760 wisdom

01:28:22.120 on markets

01:28:22.700 I think

01:28:23.080 there's

01:28:23.300 been a

01:28:23.580 flight

01:28:23.800 to safety

01:28:24.400 which is

01:28:24.840 why all

01:28:25.260 those

01:28:25.500 all that

01:28:26.460 money's

01:28:26.780 coming to

01:28:27.180 the US

01:28:27.540 I mean

01:28:28.040 it's such

01:28:28.340 a weird

01:28:28.880 market

01:28:29.740 when you've

01:28:30.320 got zero

01:28:30.960 effectively

01:28:31.760 zero interest

01:28:32.660 rates around

01:28:33.260 the world

01:28:33.660 and stuff

01:28:34.080 I mean

01:28:34.440 it's

01:28:35.080 you know

01:28:36.040 or negative

01:28:36.580 right

01:28:36.860 it's

01:28:37.800 so it's

01:28:39.800 but those

01:28:40.360 are all

01:28:40.820 symptoms

01:28:41.520 of a

01:28:42.600 deep

01:28:43.040 problem

01:28:43.800 and a

01:28:44.620 deep

01:28:44.900 uncertainty

01:28:45.820 with where

01:28:46.900 we're going

01:28:47.480 but I

01:28:49.480 think that

01:28:50.040 there's a

01:28:50.480 power

01:28:51.080 there's

01:28:53.660 a power

01:28:54.220 and a

01:28:54.580 vision

01:28:55.000 that's

01:28:57.260 different

01:28:57.740 than the

01:28:58.180 power

01:28:58.580 of politics

01:28:59.520 and if

01:29:01.080 we were

01:29:01.520 able

01:29:01.900 starting

01:29:02.380 today

01:29:03.380 with this

01:29:03.780 podcast

01:29:04.180 if we

01:29:05.180 were able

01:29:05.820 to actually

01:29:07.100 start

01:29:07.540 building

01:29:08.340 a narrative

01:29:09.760 that your

01:29:11.200 listeners

01:29:11.560 and others

01:29:12.300 you know

01:29:13.100 and then

01:29:13.360 political

01:29:13.700 leaders

01:29:14.080 seize upon

01:29:15.100 about

01:29:15.860 remaking

01:29:17.080 a practical

01:29:18.120 America

01:29:18.780 where people

01:29:19.400 are empowered

01:29:20.060 to be

01:29:21.480 themselves

01:29:21.980 and do

01:29:22.560 choices

01:29:22.980 and that

01:29:23.720 where government

01:29:24.280 performs its

01:29:25.140 useful roles

01:29:25.960 in a practical

01:29:26.660 way not in a

01:29:27.420 micromanagement

01:29:28.080 way where

01:29:29.280 financial markets

01:29:30.540 are overseen

01:29:31.960 but they're

01:29:32.380 not

01:29:32.800 strangled

01:29:34.580 you know

01:29:35.240 which is what

01:29:35.960 Elizabeth Warren

01:29:36.840 probably wants

01:29:37.380 to do

01:29:37.720 that vision

01:29:41.380 I think

01:29:42.920 will not

01:29:43.360 only attract

01:29:43.980 popular

01:29:44.500 support

01:29:45.080 will also

01:29:45.660 attract

01:29:46.260 in any

01:29:46.780 smart

01:29:47.080 politician

01:29:47.660 political

01:29:48.360 support

01:29:48.880 so I

01:29:49.780 don't think

01:29:50.160 you need

01:29:50.560 to go

01:29:51.080 and play

01:29:51.620 politics

01:29:52.340 in the

01:29:52.680 way

01:29:52.900 you know

01:29:53.200 give a lot

01:29:53.620 of money

01:29:53.900 to people

01:29:54.400 and try

01:29:55.040 to influence

01:29:55.580 them

01:29:55.720 all you need

01:29:56.660 to do

01:29:57.100 is come

01:29:57.840 up with

01:29:58.260 an alternative

01:29:58.840 vision

01:29:59.360 which no

01:29:59.760 one has

01:30:00.040 done yet

01:30:00.580 that's

01:30:01.120 sufficiently

01:30:01.620 attractive

01:30:02.500 hey yeah

01:30:04.500 I would

01:30:04.940 rather have

01:30:05.660 that

01:30:06.140 I'd rather

01:30:06.920 have schools

01:30:07.600 at work

01:30:08.260 than schools

01:30:08.820 that spend

01:30:09.220 half their

01:30:09.620 money on

01:30:10.040 bureaucracy

01:30:10.680 right

01:30:11.100 you know

01:30:11.780 it's just

01:30:12.200 so completely

01:30:13.240 obvious

01:30:13.600 I'd rather

01:30:14.060 have hospitals

01:30:15.140 and nurses 0.99

01:30:15.680 spend all

01:30:16.280 their time

01:30:17.080 on patient

01:30:17.640 care

01:30:18.040 instead of

01:30:18.740 compliance

01:30:20.280 well hopefully

01:30:23.220 this will be

01:30:24.400 a first step

01:30:25.160 and if you're

01:30:26.360 listening to

01:30:27.120 the podcast

01:30:27.880 try common

01:30:29.280 sense

01:30:29.700 that's the

01:30:31.120 name of the

01:30:31.500 book

01:30:31.780 start there

01:30:32.960 just a reminder

01:30:39.320 I'd love you

01:30:40.740 to rate and

01:30:41.440 subscribe to

01:30:42.060 the podcast

01:30:42.700 and pass this

01:30:43.380 on to a friend

01:30:44.000 so it can be

01:30:44.640 discovered by

01:30:45.160 other people

01:31:01.780 them

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01:31:11.400 you

The Glenn Beck Program - September 21, 2019

Ep 51 ｜ Over-Regulation Ends Freedom ｜ Philip K. Howard ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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