The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 54 ｜ Truth Over Politics： A British Rapper’s View of America ｜ Zuby ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Well, here's a fun fact. The women's deadlift record in England is held by a British rapper

00:00:06.140 who grew up in Saudi Arabia and has a degree in computer science from Oxford. And oh, by the way,

00:00:12.020 he's a man. Now that's kind of true. Kind of. He deadlifted 528 pounds. And in his words,

00:00:19.780 he identified as a woman whilst lifting the weight. If it was an actual competition,

00:00:25.100 he would be the champion female weightlifter. He was trying to make a point. The video of the

00:00:31.900 lift went viral. And like anything that goes viral, it comes with a lot of backlash. But he

00:00:36.920 has handled it in stride. He's a guy who lives in England. He spent the past few weeks now traveling

00:00:42.400 around America, and he has some really interesting insights. He spent a lot of time in Los Angeles,

00:00:48.860 San Francisco, and then came directly from there here to Texas. So he discovered a few things.

00:00:54.860 He's discovered that MAGA hats are nowhere near as prevalent as Bernie signs or even Clinton 2016

00:01:01.460 bumper stickers. In general, he has found serious inaccuracies in the version of America that he

00:01:07.300 has gotten from the media. Based on what the media has to say, he assumed the country was in the middle

00:01:11.960 of some sort of apocalypse created by Donald Trump that the poor, innocent leftists were in danger.

00:01:17.620 He's found the opposite to be true. He stopped by our studios here in Dallas during an incredibly

00:01:22.300 busy week. And we chatted about the things that are happening in his life. I think he has incredible

00:01:27.740 insight. And he has a sharp whip. And he also is rooted in common sense. He has lived already at 30 or

00:01:37.260 33, a real full life of experience. He is a musician, an author, a fitness expert, a self-help guru.

00:01:43.700 He recently is now a social commentator. He has amassed quite a following on Twitter. And he says

00:01:50.940 things like just the other day, unpopular opinion, women wield more societal power and influence than 1.00

00:01:57.340 men do in the West. Another one, if you fear for your job, your family, your children, now think about

00:02:03.500 what awaits you 10 years if you keep letting the radicals run the show and set all the rules and the

00:02:09.640 boundaries, full of common sense and simplicity. Please welcome and enjoy our guest today on the

00:02:17.080 Glenn Beck podcast, Zuby.

00:02:32.080 Zuby, you are not political. Are you?

00:02:35.580 Um, not overly. Yeah, not overtly. No. So is it? Are you being dragged into it? Or is it that

00:02:44.700 everything now in life is political? And you there's no escaping it? Yeah, it's a combination

00:02:52.060 of the two. You know, I didn't set out thinking, okay, I want to go out and get political and get

00:02:57.900 myself involved in all of this stuff. But, um, yeah, there's certain things that I can't let

00:03:04.540 go by me or things that I'm seeing affecting other people or affecting myself and not sort of speak out

00:03:10.920 on them. Like what is the, what, what drives you? What, what to step into this world? Yeah. And you kind of

00:03:20.060 did it by accident, uh, to step in this world. Uh, you must have had some inkling, but now I'm

00:03:32.000 gathering, I'm, I'm guessing cause most people would have had some serious ramifications for

00:03:39.180 saying what they're saying. Uh, what, what, what's driving you? Well, what's always driven me

00:03:46.860 through my music and everything else I do has always been the desire to have an impact on people

00:03:51.700 in a positive way. And my music, I've always tried to inspire and motivate people to strive for their

00:03:58.240 goals. Don't be afraid to go against the grain, be honest, be authentic. Those have always been,

00:04:03.740 people can go back and listen to my, my earliest music. And that's always been the message in there.

00:04:08.780 So as far as I'm concerned, what I do now is kind of an extension of that, trying to stand up for

00:04:13.760 truth, stand up for authenticity and not being afraid to voice the things you want to say and to

00:04:21.520 go against the grain if need be, and to be true to yourself and to be authentic.

00:04:26.060 Where'd you get that? Is that from your mom, your dad, your childhood? Where'd, where'd you get that?

00:04:30.780 A combination of things. I think a lot of it is just my own natural God-given type of personality.

00:04:35.640 Um, as far as I'm aware, I've spoken to my parents about this and actually kind of asked them that

00:04:39.860 question. And they said that since I was a child, I've kind of been the same, that if I set my mind

00:04:44.460 to something that I will do it. And I've always been someone who works hard and perseveres and has

00:04:50.460 always kind of gone my own way and not easily been swayed by the crowd or the masses. Uh, you know,

00:04:56.620 my, my parents have always said like, look, if Zuby's made up his mind to do something,

00:04:59.860 he's going to do it down to the fact of me graduating from Oxford, working in the corporate

00:05:05.020 world for a couple of years, and then leaving that to go and pursue something as crazy as being

00:05:09.400 a professional independent musician. You know, my parents totally have backed, have supported me

00:05:16.200 in that. Um, which is a huge, is a huge blessing in itself. But I think they know that, look, if that's

00:05:22.260 what Zuby wants to do, then he he's going to do it whether or not we, uh, that's what we expected

00:05:28.920 of him or that's what we thought he may do. That's just what he's going to do. So all of that kind of

00:05:34.420 spills into what I do now. So I'd say it's a combination of just my natural personality and

00:05:39.200 then maybe some aspects of me growing up, but I think that's just who I am and just how I'm, how I'm

00:05:45.460 wired. It's interesting in watching interviews with you, how many sides are there to a tesseract?

00:05:52.260 Four dimensional cube. How many sides are there? Oh man, it's been a while since I thought about

00:05:59.000 this one. I should have just memorized the answers. Yeah. Um, you are, you are really well educated.

00:06:07.640 Uh, you have deeply thought things out. At least it appears that way. Um, that's really,

00:06:16.440 how old are you? I'm 33 now. That's really rare in today's world that people are

00:06:22.100 thinking for themselves and your tweets. Let me just go through some of your, Oh no,

00:06:27.400 your tweets. No, no, these are, these are actually all good. Define yourself by what you support

00:06:32.360 rather than what you oppose. It will immediately change your general mindset and outlook from

00:06:37.900 negative to positive. Short-term problems are often long-term blessings. Keep moving.

00:06:44.760 Uh, as I read your, um, your tweets, they are things that my grandmother would have said.

00:07:01.000 Uh, there are things that my father would have said. They were there, they're common sense,

00:07:07.400 but we don't get any of that anymore. There's no such thing as truth. You said a minute ago,

00:07:12.040 well, I, you know, I've searched for truth. So there's no truth anymore and there's no common

00:07:17.240 sense anymore, at least on, in social media. Yeah. Well there it's, it's still there. It's just

00:07:25.180 that people are shying away from it or trying to stick their head in the sand on certain things or

00:07:30.560 just not talk about them, stick their fingers in their ears and say, la la la. And act like it's

00:07:35.520 something's not going on or act like something that can factually be proven is merely an opinion.

00:07:41.280 Or if something is an opinion, trying to disregard opinions that people disagree with and not even

00:07:46.640 engage, not even discuss. And I think discussion is extremely important. I'm obviously someone who

00:07:52.320 values the power of words. That's why I wanted to be a rapper in the first place. And, um, I think

00:07:58.560 that, you know, everyone's got an ability to use a voice now in a way that they didn't before.

00:08:02.540 Everybody's got a platform. I often say with social media, um, the pros and cons are sort of one in

00:08:08.080 the same. The great thing is everybody's got a platform, but the problem is everybody's got a

00:08:12.480 platform. So people are now hearing the thoughts, ideas, opinions of anybody and everybody, which is

00:08:19.680 really unnatural in a way it's remarkable. And it's amazing because you can build incredible things

00:08:26.220 through it. The fact that I'm sitting here in this room right now, somewhat happened would have

00:08:30.360 happened through social media, all this, all these places I'm going to in the USA, all these people

00:08:34.740 I'm meeting and who I'm connecting with wouldn't have happened 15 years ago. No, no, it wouldn't

00:08:38.720 have happened in this way. Certainly not. You know, I'm, I'm totally independent. So I've just got,

00:08:44.040 this has just happened off the magic of, of social media and my own volition really. And that wasn't

00:08:49.460 possible before, but on the flip side of that, you've got a lot of people who are out there,

00:08:55.280 millions of people, if billions of people who are out there using social media, who aren't really

00:09:01.220 using the tool in a great way, you could say, and on a lot of different levels on a lot of

00:09:07.280 different levels. I think it's, to me, it's just, it's a tool. Um, it's not good nor bad. It's like

00:09:13.600 a knife, you know, a knife can be used to, to, to prepare food or to defend yourself, or it could be

00:09:18.360 used to attack someone or, or to kill someone. I think social media is the same thing. I don't think

00:09:22.380 there's not anything inherently wrong with Twitter or Instagram or Facebook or anything like that.

00:09:27.420 Is it just how they use them? Is it just exposing who we are or is it changing who we are?

00:09:33.960 A combination of the two combination of the two. Um, certainly I think it's, it's exposing

00:09:41.120 what people truly do think and believe in. Hang on. Is that even true? Because I, I, I read things

00:09:50.240 and I'm not sure that that's necessarily what everybody believes. I think there are some, I mean,

00:09:55.680 look, we all had that crazy neighbor that nobody talked to cause they were crazy. Now that crazy 0.94

00:10:01.260 neighbor is talking to everybody's crazy neighbor. And so it seems like, wow, there's a lot of them. 0.93

00:10:06.340 No, there's the same number. And we used to dismiss them. We don't dismiss them now where, where we,

00:10:14.800 we think that it's just, we're overwhelmed with crazy neighbors. And then there are the others who are

00:10:20.820 just trying for fame, just trying to, to be provocative, uh, because they want their time

00:10:27.580 in the sunshine. I mean, yeah, it's a combination. I mean, it, social media certainly does change

00:10:34.060 people's behavior. You know, nobody used to take photos of themselves 15 years ago, really people

00:10:39.500 didn't take photos of their food, let alone want to post them up. So there is certainly, you know,

00:10:45.360 people do seek approval and validation through that. Every, everybody does it to some degree.

00:10:50.460 You know, there's, there's nobody who's built up a big human. Yeah. There's nobody who's built up a

00:10:54.360 big following. I can't sit here and say that, Oh, I've never put something out there with the desire

00:10:59.460 to get a reaction. Cause of course I do. And when I make music, I put it out there. I want to get a

00:11:03.220 reaction. You make a podcast, you want it to, you want people to see it. You want a lot of people to

00:11:06.940 see it and you want there to get a reaction. So that's, that's normal. I think the bigger danger

00:11:11.260 is you're now having a lot of people, especially younger people who are more basing their value

00:11:17.100 as a human being or their total value to society based on how many likes or followers or views

00:11:22.280 they're getting online. And that's adapt to that. Yeah, they will. That is the way to be accepted.

00:11:27.440 That is the power. That's the currency of our age and they will do whatever they have to do to,

00:11:34.360 to fit into that slot. Yeah. And that to me, that's, that's the bigger problem. I think there are

00:11:39.980 certain worlds which people need to be able to keep somewhat separate. So you can go on there on

00:11:46.280 your favorite social media platform and you can use it and you can enjoy it, but you can also step

00:11:50.680 away from it and exist in the real world and not let that, you know, not let something, a stranger,

00:11:59.240 a strange avatar with an, with an anime picture, um, tweeted halfway across the world who you don't know

00:12:06.040 and you'd never encounter in your real life. Don't let that person's opinion put you in a bad mood

00:12:12.060 for the rest of the day. Don't let that leak into everything else you're doing to me. That that's

00:12:15.600 kind of crazy. And if that's happening, I think that's the stage where people need to step away

00:12:19.180 a little bit and just exist in the real world for a while and realize that it's, it's all deeper than

00:12:23.540 that. There is a real world, um, but it is being diminished, um, for an ever increasing, uh, exciting

00:12:50.520 world, uh, online, uh, and, uh, uh, in the internet. And that, uh, concerns me because we're not, we,

00:13:04.020 we don't know what reality is even in the United States. Um, we, we have no idea where we're so

00:13:11.180 ungrateful. We don't see the rest of the world. And I don't think the rest of the world sees us,

00:13:16.580 uh, for who we really are. You know, I, I don't know what cartoon we appear to be. Um, but I'm

00:13:24.760 sure we look like a cartoon. You grew up in Saudi Arabia, which I want to get into. Um, you live in

00:13:31.400 the UK now. How do, how does the rest of the world perceive the United, when you think of the United

00:13:38.360 States or you think of how people you grew up with, how are we viewed compared to how you are

00:13:46.160 finding us? Well, I can only ever speak for me. I can't speak for, I wouldn't want to speak for the

00:13:52.980 rest of the world with me. I mean, growing up in Saudi Arabia, I was, I've known lots of American

00:13:59.880 people from the beginning. Um, I love most of my teachers are American. It's why, why, why my accent

00:14:05.720 doesn't sound British. In fact, because I went to an American school and all my teachers were

00:14:09.020 Americans. And your father was, uh, a doctor. He's a doctor. Yeah. He still is. He was working for an

00:14:14.660 oil company in Saudi Arabia. Yeah. That's right. So was that taking care of all the oil people in

00:14:19.700 that town? Essentially. Okay. Yeah. And your mom? Uh, so my mom used to be a journalist. She

00:14:24.860 actually now works as a magistrate in the UK. Um, but yeah, she used to work as a journalist. She 0.96

00:14:30.280 actually was a TV news reporter for a while in Nigeria. And then in Saudi, she used to write for

00:14:35.300 some of the local papers there. Wow. Okay. All right. So you were living in Saudi Arabia and then you

00:14:41.920 moved to the United States or to, uh, London or to, to England. Um, tell me how you perceived

00:14:48.360 us. So my personal view of the U S is generally very positive. I'm a big fan of the USA and I like

00:14:55.860 the, you know, I like the American people. That's a weird thing to say because there, there, there are

00:15:01.400 so many people. Um, but for the most part, I think when I think of the USA, um, either from England or

00:15:08.960 being here now, I've always viewed it in a very positive light. Does everybody? No, I don't think

00:15:15.020 that's the case with everybody. I don't think that's the case for, for any country. Um, I think

00:15:19.820 with any nation though, especially nowadays, when it comes to both the normal media, the mainstream

00:15:24.700 media, what people are seeing on TV, reading and papers and what people are seeing on social media

00:15:30.040 is always going to misrepresent a place and the people because the focus is always going to tend to be

00:15:37.340 on whatever thing is the most, um, the biggest outlier or whatever's the latest outrage or what's

00:15:44.640 the latest political division or crazy issue or thing that people are talking about, or even crime.

00:15:50.380 If you see a lot of the videos that will go viral, it'll be of someone committing a crime or people

00:15:55.040 having a fight or whatever the case may be. So it's easy to, if someone kind of sits in that too long,

00:16:00.780 I think they can develop a very negative view of almost anywhere. Um, especially if they themselves

00:16:07.660 haven't ventured out there themselves and been there and met with those people. If you, if you live in

00:16:12.000 the UK, for example, and you've never been to America and you don't know, maybe you haven't met

00:16:17.320 a lot of Americans or know much about the country. You've got people who think, for example, that, um,

00:16:24.100 take something obvious that people really don't understand in the UK or in Europe, something like

00:16:29.560 the second amendment, even some aspects of the first amendment, but certainly the second

00:16:33.200 amendment, right? Like people just, most people do not get it at all. Right. If you, if you stop

00:16:37.920 the average British person on the street and ask them about it and they just think the whole thing

00:16:41.600 is bonkers, just ban guns, get rid of all of them. It's crazy. Like what? Right. And then you guys

00:16:46.420 are down to knives. And then if you talk to an American, right. Then they say that if you talk to

00:16:52.180 American, they're like, what, not even the police have guns? Right. This is crazy. Yeah. So it's like,

00:16:55.940 you're coming from two really different, really different perspectives, which is interesting

00:16:59.680 because those are two countries which have some shared common history, share a language

00:17:03.660 are very similar countries in many ways. But even with those two, there are some real differences

00:17:10.700 in sort of cultural perspectives and historical and political perspectives there, which can be

00:17:15.660 really hard to understand if you, unless you really sit down and try to get the context of

00:17:21.020 it and have a high degree of empathy and try to put yourself in that world. The same goes

00:17:26.060 with, um, you know, I grew up in Saudi Arabia as well. Of course, it's a place which people

00:17:29.380 have very strong feelings about. Um, very few people have actually been there. Most people

00:17:33.660 don't know very many people from there. There's a lot of stuff people don't understand, understand

00:17:37.200 about it, but people still feel like they can, they can sort of speak for the entire country

00:17:43.660 or the people or whatever. And I can, again, I can understand that, but it's, it's a big shift

00:17:48.300 in perspective because the entire, everything from the way, from the governmental structure

00:17:53.800 to the, the religion, the cultures, the customs, the way the values, the way everything is designed

00:17:59.120 from the ground up is really different in a country like that. So if you were to, um, position

00:18:05.240 it next to the UK or America, for example, I would say the, the prime, the sort of top American

00:18:12.460 value would probably be freedom or Liberty, right? So every, so lots of things are based

00:18:18.380 around the idea that this is the most important value. So we want to structure the rules, the

00:18:22.680 laws, the societies, everything to maximize people's individual freedom and Liberty. Not

00:18:29.140 every country agrees that that is the most important value. And so if you understand that,

00:18:36.800 then it becomes a lot easier to understand the way and reason why, whether or not people agree

00:18:41.900 or disagree, it's easier to empathize with and understand why certain things are done the way

00:18:47.700 they're done in a country like that. It's why our nation building nonsense never works. You know,

00:18:55.100 we go over and we say, we're going to plant democracy. Well, that, what, what, that's our value.

00:19:00.340 That's the way we live our life. They, you have to want that and find that for yourself. And it fails

00:19:08.340 because it's not them. Yeah. It's not them. So if I were in England, I would think that the United

00:19:16.100 States is a bunch of people that are really, really super smart, but they're surrounded by a 0.98

00:19:23.920 bunch of people who are wearing red hats who have guns and are absolute racist, crazy people that just 1.00

00:19:32.300 want to blow up the world. Some Americans think that too, though, right? Yeah, I think some do. Yes. 0.99

00:19:40.460 What did you find about, what did you expect coming over here and what have you found?

00:19:46.000 So it's been pretty well in line with my expectations. I've been to the U S this is my

00:19:50.600 fifth time here. It's my first time in over 10 years though. The last time I was here was in 2008.

00:19:56.220 Have we changed? Um, not greatly as far as I'm, as far as I'm aware, those of us who are here feels

00:20:04.780 like we've changed everything. Really? Yeah. Um, I haven't noticed it significantly. I mean,

00:20:09.780 I've, I've been going to different States and cities. So everywhere I've been to thus far in

00:20:13.820 California and Texas, which is, um, those are two States I'd never been to before. Last time I was

00:20:18.600 here, I was actually in Chicago. Um, and the vibe was different. That was just before Obama got elected

00:20:23.220 in 2008. So that was a sort of different vibe in that sense. But in terms of the vast majority of

00:20:30.500 things, I haven't really noticed much of a, much of a difference. Um, again, on the online world,

00:20:37.200 it seems like everything is super polar polarized and crazy and people are on the brink of some kind

00:20:41.260 of civil war and people aren't talking to their neighbors and everyone's fighting with each other.

00:20:45.840 But again, you know, I, I go out, whether I was in Los Angeles or San Francisco or Austin or Dallas,

00:20:51.000 and I'm like, well, everyone's just trying to live their lives and work and get on with things and

00:20:56.100 take care of themselves and feed their family. And everyone's being cordial and civil to one another

00:21:01.640 for the most part. So, you know, that sort of view of everything being super duper crazy and

00:21:08.340 polarized and divided. I mean, you know, I think it's kind of like it is, it is, and it might be on

00:21:14.340 one level, but in reality, it's not, you know, if you, if you were to just go out there and go to

00:21:21.260 the, go to the center of the city or go to the beach or go where you're like, well, you know,

00:21:25.520 things are, things are fine. For the most part, I mean, you'll find,

00:21:30.960 you know, you'll find some people that do wear a MAGA hat and are just going to be in your face and

00:21:38.040 just yelling and screaming. And you're going to find those people who hate the MAGA hat people,

00:21:42.140 and they're going to be in your face. But for the most part, we're not like that. You go,

00:21:49.320 you go to the two most, uh, different States in the union. This trip, you go to Los Angeles

00:21:57.600 and to Dallas, Texas difference. Uh, yeah, there is a difference. What's the difference?

00:22:05.160 Um, weather has been somewhat similar and both cities are very sprawled and spread out. Yeah.

00:22:13.840 Um, I found, I haven't been out in Dallas, master him out yet. I found out to be a lot cleaner.

00:22:19.720 Um, no cleaner and, uh, feels safer to me than LA does. Um, what, what did I say? There's something I

00:22:29.340 said on Twitter. Um, so I, cause I spent three weeks in California and I've now been in Texas for

00:22:34.500 a week and a half. I said, I felt, I feel like, uh, I felt like California was run by

00:22:39.640 man in the entertainment industry. And I feel like Texas is run by God in the fast food industry.

00:22:47.180 I don't know how technically accurate those are, but that was just like, no, I got, I think that's

00:22:57.580 probably pretty accurate. We love our food in Texas. Everyone's just commenting, telling me what

00:23:05.000 to eat. Yeah. In California, everyone was telling me what to do. Yeah. Here, everyone's telling me

00:23:09.140 what to eat. You have to get that. You've got to go there. Is there anything besides food?

00:23:12.760 That's so funny. Um, let me go back to London here for a second. Sure. Um, because first of

00:23:20.580 all, I don't understand you. I do not understand your system. It is crazy. People are bad crap

00:23:26.680 crazy. Uh, but, uh, there's something similar that is happening that I've been watching on the 0.99

00:23:36.200 continent and also in Europe and here, the ruling class is not listening to the people. They're just

00:23:48.200 not listening. I don't think they even care to listen. I think they kind of despise us. It's

00:23:54.540 almost as if, uh, they just, they just believe that they know better than everyone else. No matter

00:23:59.820 what we do in the United States, vote for Donald Trump because he's going to stop Obamacare and

00:24:06.060 we're going to get our healthcare system back. No, they all promised they were going to do

00:24:10.380 that. Once they had all the power to do it, they didn't do it. They didn't have any intention

00:24:13.680 of doing it. You have Brexit. Every person I talked to, uh, from the UK always says the

00:24:22.180 same thing. I'm just sick and tired of it. I mean, they're just, they're just, they're

00:24:27.200 going to do whatever they want. I'm sick and tired of it. I don't know what the British are 1.00

00:24:32.040 like, but there comes a point to where, when you say to the people, you know what, vote on this,

00:24:39.020 vote on this thing in particular, which we don't do vote on this. And then we'll do what you say.

00:24:47.180 And then you don't do. And in fact, they just passed a law, as I understand it, that now

00:24:53.620 they can, they've passed a law that says they, they can stay. If there's no, um, agreed upon exit

00:25:02.200 plan, uh, they can't leave the European union and that can just be renewed like every six months,

00:25:08.680 something crazy like that. What the hell is happening? Well, first start with, start with,

00:25:16.960 with Boris Johnson. I've read his work. I think the guy's brilliant. I love, I love his books on,

00:25:24.460 uh, uh, Churchill. He seems to be a little nuts, but who are we to say, who are we to say? Um,

00:25:34.980 but he seems as though somebody who is actually standing up and saying, I don't care what you say,

00:25:40.860 the people say. That's what they wanted. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's, um, it's weird. I mean,

00:25:47.200 to, I don't talk, I get asked about Brexit a lot, as you can imagine. And it's one of those things,

00:25:53.000 as you said, I mean, I am in that group of people who just feel exhausted and tired and bored of it.

00:25:57.340 Um, I mean, oftentimes people ask me which way I vote and I don't normally say it publicly, but I've,

00:26:02.700 I personally, I voted remain. So I was on the remain side and, but I'm of the simple opinion. Well,

00:26:08.840 okay. Like my side lost. So, okay, let's go. Is it supposed to be a democratic vote?

00:26:16.140 That's, that's the reason that the referendum came out in the first place. So as far as I'm

00:26:20.540 concerned, I respect the result. So in the UK, you've got a range of different people. So

00:26:25.880 I don't know if you've heard the term Ramoners. So you've got the remainers who are people who voted

00:26:30.380 remain, but are like, okay, well leave one. So we're happy to concede. And then you've got people

00:26:36.740 who people call Ramoners, who are people who voted, who voted remain, but are trying to do

00:26:41.120 anything and everything to stop Brexit from actually happening. And you've got people like

00:26:45.000 that who are actually, um, this includes some of the MPs, you know, some of the people in,

00:26:49.000 in the various political parties and you know, for, for three years, I mean, nothing has,

00:26:55.500 nothing has really happened there. There's, there's been no progress. You've, you've changed prime

00:26:59.900 minister twice and all of this with me is saying she's going to fire him. Do you believe that to

00:27:06.600 be true? Oh, really? I, she said, I haven't actually heard that. She asked whoever, you know,

00:27:12.520 the queen's advisor is, um, on how to fire a, uh, prime minister. If he does go through with Brexit

00:27:24.640 without a plan that she's planning on, and this is the first time she's ever asked that question.

00:27:31.060 First time this would ever happen. I mean, that's new to me. I didn't know that. Yeah. The queen

00:27:36.580 saying that if indeed that's true, that, I mean, she never gets involved. She's supposed to be

00:27:41.980 apolitical. Correct. The royal family is supposed to be apolitical. Correct. Yeah. I don't know. I mean,

00:27:47.800 I just think my, my thoughts on it are very basic and simple. Like if you're going to have a democratic

00:27:52.320 vote, then you can't just want to do it again immediately because you didn't get the result

00:28:00.240 that you wanted to me. That's that whole notion. That idea is a much bigger concern to me than

00:28:06.080 Brexit itself. Yeah. See what I mean? And I believe in the UK. I think that the UK will be fine,

00:28:11.460 whether it stays in or it goes out of the EU. I'm not, I don't buy the scaremongering on either

00:28:16.860 side, right? You've got people who are saying, Oh, if we remain in the EU, then all of this awful

00:28:21.300 stuff is going to happen. I don't buy that. And then you've also got the saying, people saying,

00:28:25.440 Oh, if we leave where, you know, the price of all the food is going to go up triple,

00:28:29.180 we're going to have food shortages. Everyone's going to lose their jobs. The pound will crash.

00:28:33.160 And I'm like, I don't, you know, neither of those sound particularly reasonable to me.

00:28:38.080 The Britain is, it has a very strong economy. It's a very powerful country considering how physically

00:28:43.960 geographically tiny it is. And it's been like that all throughout history. And I believe we'll

00:28:49.520 continue to be in the future.

00:28:51.580 We have, um, I think the problem is, is, uh, what happened with the EU is people are proud

00:29:00.040 of where they're from. I don't care if it's a small town or your country, you're proud and

00:29:03.480 it doesn't make you a xenophobe. It just means this is how I grew up and I like it. Um, and, uh,

00:29:10.560 and the EU has been trying to say, if you're, if you want to be Italian, you are a xenophobe 0.92

00:29:19.540 or a racist. If you, you know, you want to fly the Swedish flag, that means you're a racist. 0.94

00:29:24.900 And I think the same thing is happening here in America. The only state that still is remaining,

00:29:32.040 that is a state. And it's because it was a Republic before it was state was, is Texas.

00:29:37.700 Yeah. They still are saying, I don't mind the other States, but Texas is great. Texas. Do you

00:29:43.060 know one, do you know, this is a slight, slight sidetrack, but related, do you know, one thing

00:29:47.600 I love, I've really loved about being here. One thing I really liked that the U S does got flags

00:29:52.680 everywhere. The USA flag is everywhere. You don't see the British flag in the UK. You very rarely see

00:29:59.920 it in some parts of central London. If you're in kind of touristy areas, you'll see it, but you'll

00:30:05.660 just be driving along, along the highways, you know, driving between Austin and Dallas.

00:30:10.400 I saw hundreds of U S flags, every, every shop, every, and I think that's cool. That's actually

00:30:17.420 something I like. It's weird. Um, to, to some British people in terms of the American perception,

00:30:21.740 there are some people who don't like, who don't like that. There are people, a lot of people

00:30:26.240 who think that Americans are too proud to be like, they think, they think the American pride

00:30:31.100 is too much like the whole, go USA, USA number one. I like that. Maybe that's just my personality.

00:30:37.460 I think that's cool.

00:30:38.580 I like that for all countries. You know what I mean? I, I love the UK. I love the history

00:30:46.240 of the UK and it, it's sad when you think you don't love it. You don't find it special,

00:30:54.120 you know?

00:30:54.760 You know, I think people find it special, but I think there's something that makes them

00:30:58.680 kind of like second guess it like, Oh, is it, is it okay to be proud? Like, I don't

00:31:03.700 want to, that's because the English have always had, they're always like, Oh, you listen to 1.00

00:31:12.500 people who are fighting and you know, you watch British TV or something and you're like, they're

00:31:17.140 about to either have tea or they're about to hit each other. I don't know. Cause everything's

00:31:21.200 so polite always. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's weird. I feel like implicitly deep down, most

00:31:27.860 British people are very proud to be British or to be English or Scottish or Welsh or whatever.

00:31:32.900 Um, but more recently, and I feel the same, I think the same in America too, but I think

00:31:37.480 there's, there's that thing of, you know, we're living in just in a strange time in a lot of

00:31:42.540 ways. And I think a lot of people are second guessing or questioning or thinking, Ooh, you

00:31:47.140 know, that thing happened in history. So maybe we shouldn't be proud of this or maybe the American

00:31:53.120 flag or the St. George's flag or the union. Maybe, maybe these are symbols of, um, whether

00:31:58.540 it's colonialism or, or like you said, xenophobia or race. And it's a weird thing because I don't

00:32:06.160 think other countries do that. I don't think anybody would, my family background's originally

00:32:10.340 from Nigeria. I grew up in Saudi. I don't think anyone would go to Nigeria and see a Nigerian 1.00

00:32:13.540 flag and think that this is some negative symbol or something like that. I mean, a, it's good.

00:32:20.040 The, the Western, the Western culture has not always, but, but it tries to learn from the

00:32:28.680 mistakes. I don't think we're doing that now, but when we're at our best, we try to learn

00:32:32.880 from mistakes. It's in this under this, this misunderstanding, I think of, I think the left

00:32:39.980 believes that you can just, I don't know, you, you progress to just as perfect person

00:32:46.520 or you have all the knowledge and these countries should have always known these things. That's

00:32:52.820 not what people are. Your entire life is set up of one building block and then you learn

00:32:59.180 something else. You're like, well, that's not quite right. And then you learn something

00:33:02.880 else. Well, that one's not quite right either. It's the growth and to condemn yourself. I mean,

00:33:09.140 we're doing this in social media to condemn people for what they did when they were 10

00:33:13.060 or 16 or even 30, if they're 40, it doesn't make any sense. No. If you're that same person,

00:33:20.540 you might as well die because you haven't done anything with your life. Absolutely. And even 0.95

00:33:24.620 weirder than that, people are putting blame and guilt and stuff from people off things that

00:33:30.440 they themselves didn't even do. That's, that's the weirder thing. So you've got that on one,

00:33:35.140 one side, you know, holding people for ransom for things they, they did went 20 years ago,

00:33:40.160 but then you've also got, you know, Oh, this thing happened 300 years ago. So let's hold

00:33:44.880 anybody who fits into certain demographics to these things now. And I'm just like, that's really

00:33:50.180 the wrong way to be the wrong way to be looking at all this. But isn't it? Oh, I'm going to step in

00:33:57.260 it on this one. Isn't that almost a very English way to look at it? I was thinking this week,

00:34:03.440 I heard somebody say, well, Sir Paul McCartney. And I went, Sir Paul McCartney, you imagine being

00:34:08.580 knighted in American point of view. Imagine somebody saying, Oh, you're a knight. Now everybody has to

00:34:13.480 call you sir. And you're somehow or another, a little more, you're a little better than everybody

00:34:17.820 else. And I can't even imagine that. And it's a government saying, you're accepted. You're special.

00:34:28.820 I feel like this is what the world is doing now. They're doing it through Twitter and Facebook or

00:34:34.720 the governments. They're all saying, if you have this, then you're approved. If you don't believe

00:34:43.600 these things, you're a problem. That's the way it used to be with Kings and everything else. No,

00:34:50.680 America has always said, I don't pay for the sins of my father. My father could have been the worst

00:34:56.400 black Bart, black hearted guy ever, but that's not me. No, I don't pay his debts. I don't, 0.98

00:35:03.120 I'm not held responsible for the things he did. It's me, but I don't think we're headed as a world

00:35:09.740 in that direction anymore. Yeah. I mean, I think it's important for, this is why, you know,

00:35:17.340 you were asking me at the beginning of this conversation about why I speak out, why I do

00:35:23.880 what I do. And it's because I think everybody who is sane and reasonable and rational, I feel has a

00:35:30.320 duty to, because if people don't, if people think it's bad now, I mean, think of some of the,

00:35:35.920 think back to 2009, there's a lot of stuff happening now that if in 2009, you said would

00:35:41.920 start happening, people would have been like, Oh, come on, that's not going to happen in 10 years.

00:35:45.240 I know. I've said them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Okay. So I tell what I tell people is like,

00:35:50.380 okay, well, if you're worried about speaking out now, or you're worried about this ostracization or

00:35:55.180 cancel culture, whatever it is, it's like, if you don't, and you let the people who we all are saying

00:36:00.580 are, are a crazy loud fringe minority, if you let them set all the rules and boundaries, then think

00:36:06.340 to 2029, what's, what's the situation going to be like then? Do you think it's going to be better?

00:36:11.380 It's not, it's only going to be better if people actually use their voices to have these discussions

00:36:16.100 and conversations and, you know, think, okay, what, what are the best, what, what, what are the

00:36:20.640 boundaries? What should the boundaries be? How can people, um, touching on what you were saying

00:36:25.000 earlier? We're, we're missing this idea of salvation and forgiveness. That's something

00:36:30.000 that I'm noticing now. It's like, no, if someone did something bad, what someone wrote a bad tweet

00:36:34.880 10 years ago, there is no forgiveness. And you, you, you can't forgive them. There's no route to

00:36:39.720 salvation. They need to be canceled forever. They can't work again and they can't feed their family.

00:36:44.480 They just need to be totally ostracized. That's going back to like a very primitive way of thinking.

00:36:49.740 Oh, I think, I mean, I don't know if you're religious, but it's, it's, I think it is a

00:36:54.040 religion. It's just the opposite of Christianity. It's the opposite of a, of a loving, forgiving 1.00

00:37:00.300 society. I think it's, it's, it's evil myself. It is, you have to confess your climate sins.

00:37:09.400 Um, you have to purge yourself. Climate justice is a right. Uh, social justice. There's no such

00:37:16.500 thing as social justice. Life is unfair. It is our job to try to navigate that and try

00:37:23.740 to make the world a better place. But you, you cannot, man cannot make the sins of the

00:37:31.580 past, right? No, you can't balance it. No, can't. Someone will always get the shaft and

00:37:38.660 then where's their justice. Um, and it's, it's a religion. If you don't practice the religion

00:37:44.760 exactly the way the popes of that religion say, you're out, you're a heretic, you're 1.00

00:37:51.260 a witch, burn them at the stake. 1.00

00:37:52.780 Yep. And those people get the worst treatment, right? Apostates. Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, 1.00

00:37:57.560 a lot of people have called it a secular religion because that's, that's really what it is.

00:38:04.820 Yeah. It's, uh, it's weird, but yeah, I mean, coming back to that point, I do think people

00:38:09.540 just need to, people need to speak out because a lot of people are living in, in fear and

00:38:16.600 just worry about this, this whole thing. And it's, uh, it's weird cause I'll get messages

00:38:21.880 or talk to people from primarily in the UK, USA, Canada, the freest countries in the world

00:38:27.340 at the freest time that's ever existed. And some of them are talking like they're like

00:38:31.160 they're hostages and they can't say this and they can't say that. And they're worried

00:38:34.680 about this. And then, and I'm, you know, this isn't saying you just say whatever the

00:38:38.700 first thing comes to your brain and everybody talks with no filter. That's not what, that's

00:38:42.280 not what we're saying. It's just saying you've got an ability, not just an ability, but also

00:38:47.540 a duty. If you think something is going wrong, you think something is going sideways. You

00:38:50.960 think something's a really bad idea, which is being promoted at your university or your

00:38:54.960 workplace or whatever it is, then you need to say something. It's your, it's your job

00:39:00.120 to object. You can't just let everything slide. If people feel like we're sliding into

00:39:04.320 craziness, then I'm like, well, it's because you're letting, you're letting it happen.

00:39:07.640 You're letting 2% of the population dictate to the other 98%. 0.88

00:39:10.800 It is exactly the mistakes made in the 1930s in Germany. You know, it was the, I, I wondered,

00:39:18.780 um, you know, a few years back, how did you get an entire population that only voted 30%

00:39:25.960 for the Nazis? How'd you get an entire population to do that? Yeah. How'd you do that? They'd beat 0.64

00:39:31.820 you in the streets if you didn't. Um, and people didn't, they weren't willing to stand up to

00:39:37.440 that very small. And so they would just talk in their own thing. And eventually the Nazis 0.75

00:39:43.360 would say, if you were caught talking, I mean, it's the people who didn't believe in the Nazi

00:39:48.940 philosophy at the very beginning, when they were in the majority, they would whisper, but

00:39:55.360 the minority would not. The minority made it very clear who they were and no one stood up against

00:40:01.800 it. And before you knew it, all those whispers started to be killed. I don't see a difference

00:40:09.540 here. And did you know, the craziest thing about everything we're saying here is that if you take

00:40:15.380 a hyper partisan on either side, they'll think you're talking about the other side, right? That's

00:40:20.560 the weirdest thing. That's the weirdest thing about the whole thing, right? Someone will be

00:40:24.920 listening to this and they'll be thinking one thing. Someone else will be thinking, listening,

00:40:28.700 and they'll be thinking the thinking the other. And you see that all the time. I have a theory.

00:40:34.040 If you look at a, a football field, a rugby field is a rugby field, a hundred yards.

00:40:40.780 Ooh, I don't actually know the length. Okay. So it's a little bit shorter, but I don't know. I'm not

00:40:45.340 sure. Football field is a hundred yards. Okay. Okay. The first 15 yards on the right filled with

00:40:52.360 nuts. First 15 yards on the left filled with nuts, the rest of it. And I'm not saying that

00:41:02.760 you're in the middle. I'm saying you're just not part of the fringe that wants to pull everything

00:41:08.040 down or kill or shut up everybody who disagrees with you. There might, and I'm being, I think I'm

00:41:13.460 being generous by saying 15%. I bet you there's 8% maybe, or 5% on each side. And everybody else

00:41:21.480 is being controlled by these two sides. And they're making these, this side is making everyone think

00:41:28.740 that this side is 50% of the field and this side is doing the same. It's not. No, there's all these

00:41:35.840 people right here that believe strongly in what they believe, but they don't want to kill each

00:41:43.680 other or silence one another. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's the people who can't have a laissez faire

00:41:49.620 attitude. All right. It's, you know, everyone has their different beliefs, whether they're political

00:41:55.100 or religious or ideological, you know, I think most reasonable people are totally accepting of that fact

00:42:03.040 and are willing to live and let live. The problem is always going to be radical people, extremists who

00:42:09.680 can't practice live and let live. It doesn't matter if it's political. It doesn't matter if it's religion.

00:42:13.880 Those are always the people who cause the problems because they can't just, it has to be, well, I believe

00:42:18.980 this. So everybody else must, or everybody else who doesn't is evil or is terrible or must be conquered or

00:42:28.420 whatever the case may be. That's the attitude that leads to always leads to problems. So you've always got to

00:42:33.820 keep those extremists and radicals in check, right? You don't want to be excusing their behavior.

00:42:39.680 We're saying, Oh, okay, well they're, they're kind of on our side. So let's, they're not less than the

00:42:45.120 things. Yeah. They're really not anybody who wants to control what everybody else thinks. And you have

00:42:50.980 them on both sides. Anybody who wants to control or tell anyone how to live their life and you must

00:42:57.520 comply is not on my side, any way, shape or form. They're not on my side. And they're a lot more

00:43:03.980 similar to each other than they'd probably like to admit. Yeah. Yeah. It's a circle and they're both right

00:43:08.020 here. Yeah. Well, the rest of us around here. Yeah. Um, so you, you just said something that was

00:43:15.780 interesting because you kind of, you know, you talked about a laissez-faire attitude and then you

00:43:22.640 also say you got to stand up and, and stop this. How do you put those two together easily? So you've

00:43:30.380 got to stop when people are trying to, when someone's coming from an authoritarian perspective,

00:43:36.080 trying to encroach on people's ability to live and let live. Right. So it's, it's, it's,

00:43:45.960 it's simple. It's live and let live. But if someone starts treading on your toes in that regard,

00:43:51.440 if someone is trying to, um, block out the idea of free speech, if someone is trying to force other

00:44:00.140 people to use words or terms or speak in certain ways, if someone is trying to force people to

00:44:05.600 believe in or not believe in whatever religion or political philosophy or whatever it is, that's when

00:44:12.060 you need to stand up. So in other words, if, yeah, it's, I'm, I'm not for gun, I'm not for gun control

00:44:19.020 at all. Um, big second amendment guy. However, I am a big law enforcement guy as well. You use that

00:44:27.720 gun improperly. You don't have that right anymore. Anymore. Is that kind of the thing you're, you're

00:44:34.480 talking about that you have, we have to live together unless you're treading on me. Exactly.

00:44:41.440 Exactly. That that's, that's the, or someone else. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's when,

00:44:46.680 that's what I'm saying about when people need to stand up because a lot of the encroachment,

00:44:51.380 that's what it is. It's, it's the desire to take away people's basic freedom, starting with the

00:44:58.520 freedom to talk, to speak, right. Anytime someone comes with something, which is trying to force people

00:45:05.600 to speak in certain ways that should set off alarm bells for people. Right. Because that's not how

00:45:14.600 that's the most fundamental concept. And to someone who doesn't believe in free speech, it's, and you

00:45:20.380 know, these people do exist and you've got, you've got people now questioning, Oh, is free speech really

00:45:23.580 a good idea? What about this? What about that? And it, you know, for those people, especially if they're

00:45:28.340 coming from a more left perspective, it's important to explain to them that all of the movements that

00:45:35.340 they support, whether you're talking about women's rights or, you know, black rights and the civil

00:45:40.020 rights movements, all those, all the way back to Moses, it all starts with free speech. It all

00:45:44.420 starts with the ability to speak and dissent and ask questions and have discussions. That's where it

00:45:52.320 stems from. So should, so should do the, um, the Facebooks, the Twitters of the world, that is the

00:46:00.440 public square now. Um, you know, I could be heard out at, you know, the shopping center or the center

00:46:07.520 of town. That's not the same. This is the public square. So do, do they have a responsibility to shut

00:46:17.420 people down or do they have a responsibility to make sure that everyone has a fair platform that

00:46:26.820 it is there? Everyone is equal voice and let the people decide. It's a, it's a big question. And it's

00:46:33.420 something a lot of people are discussing at the moment. I do personally think that the solution is

00:46:38.880 fairly simple, which is that I, I don't think it's something that needs to, you've got a lot of people

00:46:47.040 talking about, um, you know, governmental regulation and things like that. I mean, these are generally

00:46:52.620 there, you know, technically they are, they are private companies. I think from, from my perspective,

00:46:58.740 what they really need to do is, you know, they can have, they can have their, their rules and their

00:47:03.460 regulations, and they probably should for a lot of reasons, obvious one being to, you know, keep users

00:47:09.760 on their platform and to protect their own, their own profits is simply to have a rule book,

00:47:15.820 a clear, clear, defined rules that are not open to huge amounts of subjective opinion and ideas.

00:47:23.340 These are the rules. And these are the consequences if you break them. And that needs to be very clear

00:47:29.800 to everybody, not with political bias or ideological bias or anything like that. Look, this is what you

00:47:36.920 can do on this platform. And, you know, whether we like you or we don't like you, or we agree with

00:47:41.800 you or you disagree, if you don't break the rules, we will not de-platform you. If you do continuously

00:47:46.900 break the rules, maybe you have a strike system. Okay. If you do it the first time, 24, 24 a day

00:47:51.320 ban. Next, second time a week, last time, maybe two years, maybe three years. I don't, I think of the

00:47:57.900 lifetime ban thing is pretty stupid. I don't think anybody should be getting lifetime bans. You know, 0.98

00:48:03.760 you broke Twitter's rules in 2005 and you still can't be on the platform even 10 years. Like that's,

00:48:09.400 that's silly. So I think that's, I think that's what most people would agree with and want,

00:48:14.180 whether you're talking about Twitter or YouTube or Facebook, any of these things, it's just

00:48:17.300 the rules are not, don't feel well defined. And it's, and you can find examples of, okay, this

00:48:23.980 person, this person clearly broke the rules and they're fine. This person, we're not sure how they

00:48:29.960 broke the rules, but they're kicked off. And that doesn't instill confidence in people.

00:48:34.860 When Barack Obama was elected, he was elected for a couple of reasons, but his campaign slogan was,

00:48:40.920 and I think a lot of people bought into it was hope and change. And they wanted change. They wanted

00:48:47.100 something to be transparent. They wanted to know what was real. They wanted to know what was really

00:48:52.060 going on. And they wanted their, their leaders to be held accountable. Don't we both have leaders now,

00:49:01.280 Donald Trump and, uh, uh, Boris Johnson. Aren't they really the same guy, not the hair or anything

00:49:09.060 else, but aren't they really the same guys that they're wrecking balls because people aren't getting

00:49:19.420 what they are truly desiring. And that is transparency. Yeah. I mean, I think I'm not,

00:49:29.120 I'm not a political expert, but from what I've gathered, it doesn't matter the country. What I

00:49:33.640 seem to notice is that if people, if there's a general strong feeling of people being disgruntled

00:49:41.120 and unsatisfied or upset or angry, whatever the case may be, they will normally just vote for the

00:49:47.920 op, the change option. Okay. So after, um, I mean, with the U S for example, I know that during, um,

00:49:57.080 George W Bush's presidency and the Iraq war and all that stuff, people were just,

00:50:01.500 people were fed up with that. People didn't want that anywhere. People didn't want that anymore.

00:50:06.440 Obama ran against McCain. Right. I think McCain seemed kind of like, uh, we'll probably get more

00:50:12.040 of the same with him. Right. Obama was like, okay, this is the option for change. So people voted for

00:50:17.140 change after eight years of Barack Obama. People were feeling a similar way for different reasons

00:50:24.080 on in large numbers. And people thought, well, Hillary Clinton, that's going to be kind of more 0.95

00:50:30.360 of the same. Donald Trump, massive wild card, but that's the option for change. And so that's,

00:50:37.480 that's generally how I kind of almost predict elections will go. Well, we, we're probably going

00:50:44.040 to see Elizabeth Warren as the, the candidate against Donald Trump, who's a socialist. Sure.

00:50:50.300 That's never happened in America. Um, that's big change. It is. Yeah, it is. You know, being in

00:50:57.740 America now for a few weeks, this time around, one thing I can say is that I feel like I can better

00:51:02.220 understand some of the deep down concerns of both sides of the political aisle. And I can understand

00:51:12.660 where, so tell me what you learned. Okay. So I went to, uh, so I went to Los Angeles in San Francisco.

00:51:18.180 I spent three weeks in California in two of the main cities and the levels of drug addiction and

00:51:26.440 homelessness and people just living in tents and talking to themselves and doing like doing hard

00:51:33.860 drugs. And I saw, I've traveled pretty wildly, widely, uh, been to 30 something countries,

00:51:40.020 probably a hundred different cities. And I saw stuff in LA and San Francisco. I have never seen

00:51:44.360 anywhere else in the world, which shocked me, which really, truly shocked me. So I can understand

00:51:50.320 how somebody could, could see that and think the solution is okay. We need some more, you know,

00:51:59.800 aspects of socialism. We need to, we need to help these people through the government. We can't have

00:52:04.920 people. I can, I can empathize with that position, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with it.

00:52:11.140 I can understand that. I can also understand the perspective of, you know, having talking to people

00:52:15.360 there and people are saying, Oh, well, you know, the drugs people are using now are different drugs.

00:52:19.420 You know, they're saying this is, this is fentanyl. This is stuff that's coming off of the board. Like,

00:52:22.900 so I can also understand people saying, okay, we need to build that wall and stop these drugs from

00:52:30.320 coming in and wrecking our own citizens. So I can, and also looking at the policies that enable people to,

00:52:37.620 to camp out and use hard drugs in public and defecate in public and, you know, commit crimes that,

00:52:44.200 you know, something like if, if the crime, I think in San Francisco, if the value of the crime is below

00:52:48.160 $950, if people shoplift, if people break into cars, they can get, and all this stuff was mind blowing

00:52:52.920 to me. I was just like, what? Like in the UK, you can't, you know, maybe the police can be overzealous

00:52:57.020 sometimes, but you can't, you can't do meth in the park in public. You can't go steal $900.

00:53:04.560 No, you can't just go and steal stuff away with it. No, you know, you, you can't do that. So I was

00:53:08.500 confused by that level of law and lawlessness, which is also sanctioned, enabling and encouraging

00:53:14.200 this behavior. So I did have that kind of realization point where I was like, wow, okay, I can,

00:53:20.080 I can get where people are coming from in this regard, because I always thought that that aspect of

00:53:25.560 things, you know, the, the drug addiction, the homelessness levels, I, I did think that was

00:53:29.400 being exaggerated online. Right. Before I traveled, a lot of people were saying, Oh, you're going to

00:53:34.300 Los Angeles. You're going to watch out for that. Watch out for poop. Watch out for needles. And I

00:53:38.120 was like, okay, that's probably people being a little bit facetious. And then I got there and I

00:53:42.560 saw it with my own eyes and I was like, okay, this is not, this is not a joke. This is, this is real.

00:53:48.480 This is serious. Yeah. This is, I'm seeing it with my own two eyes now. And this, this whole West coast is

00:53:53.600 starting to be like that. Yeah. Yeah. So that was one thing where I was like, okay, this is not

00:53:58.180 overblown and I don't, I don't have and know all of the solutions. Um, but I can empathize now better

00:54:06.560 with people who would see that and have maybe have very different ideas of what the best way to deal

00:54:14.020 with it is. Um, so the option they've gone for in those cities is to essentially make it easier for

00:54:23.480 the people saying, okay, yeah, you can set up a tent anywhere. Okay. We're not going to prosecute

00:54:27.320 you, you know, for doing drugs. Okay. We will hand out fresh needles, that kind of thing. Right. I

00:54:30.860 don't, in my own perspective, I don't think that's the right direction to go, but that's, that's the

00:54:35.440 way they've gone and that's the way they're doing it. Um, but I can, yeah, I can, I can understand

00:54:41.860 the more, the root cause for that. And in America, what has always happened before is we were set up

00:54:50.580 in many ways like Europe, um, and a European union that might've worked. We were set up as 50

00:54:58.120 different laboratories and you do whatever you want. It's your state. You make the call. You don't

00:55:04.100 violate these 10 things. Um, but you know, um, do it now with somehow or another, the lines of

00:55:13.220 difference between the state and federal governments have been so blurred that you, the, the federal

00:55:21.300 government is, is, is now starting to tell everyone you have to do it this way. Look, if California wanted

00:55:27.720 to be socialist and they wanted to have poop running in their streets and that's fine and

00:55:32.760 they really felt that was the right thing. Fine. You know what? In the end, they might find a way

00:55:39.800 that it, it all works. And if it all worked and it was a better system, Texans would adopt it.

00:55:47.160 But there's a lot of people are fleeing from California to Texas right now.

00:55:50.840 Right. Right. And so we're, I think what's happening to us is for instance, I mean, you said

00:55:57.960 something, um, I mean, cause you've, you're kind of say a lot of things. I know you will. You're kind

00:56:03.000 of, I mean, you really kind of came to play, um, with, uh, you know, breaking the world record. I know

00:56:12.280 you didn't officially, but, uh, you know, you were dead weightlifting, uh, more than the, the record of

00:56:20.120 women. Yeah. And you were identifying as a woman. It's insane. But you said on Rogan, you said,

00:56:26.200 we're living in a time in which gender is a spectrum and politics is binary. How did we get

00:56:34.520 there? Oh boy. And how do we get back? Do we get back? It's wow. It's a, it's a, it's a good question.

00:56:43.800 Um, yeah, it's, it's weird. Cause yeah, the reason I said that is because I, I mean, even, even with

00:56:49.400 myself, I'm, I'm someone who people, especially now that I've risen to a little bit more prominence

00:56:56.200 is a lot of people want to, I'm finding a lot of people want to label me. Everybody wants to throw

00:57:00.840 a label on me. Everyone wants to be a Zuby is this, or he's that, or he's conservative or

00:57:04.600 libertarian or like everyone wants, everyone wants to label me. And you know, I don't, to some degree,

00:57:09.640 I don't mind what someone wants to say. Oh, Zuby's conservative. I'm like, okay, I'm not going to,

00:57:13.880 you know, kick up a fight or whatever. I'd like to just consider myself a thinker. And I don't

00:57:20.040 think, you know, the point of what I was saying there is you've got hundreds of millions, billions

00:57:24.200 of people in the world. And the idea that everyone is on the right or on the left is very weird and

00:57:31.560 strange to me. And that's, doesn't, that really doesn't make sense. That's an actual real social

00:57:37.400 construct. That's the idea that there's, you know, even though I, I think a lot of it stems from the

00:57:41.480 fact that in most countries you've got two major parties. So in the UK, you've got the Republicans

00:57:45.800 and the Democrats and the UK, sorry, in the U S you've got Republicans and Democrats in the UK,

00:57:49.560 you've got a labor and conservative and, you know, funnily enough, they're both red and blue,

00:57:54.520 although the colors are switched around in each country. And so people want to kind of siphon

00:57:59.560 people off in these boxes. And once you've got someone in that box, you can then assume all of

00:58:04.120 this stuff about them. Okay. If you're someone who just believes that conservatives are evil and they

00:58:09.080 hate the poor and they don't like immigrants and all that, you know, all the misconceptions that

00:58:13.160 people may have, then it kind of makes it, I think it's people's brains just trying to find an easy way

00:58:20.280 to categorize the world and other people. Um, and so, yeah, the reason I said that is just to,

00:58:28.520 you know, remind people, look, it's a lot more complicated than that. And anyone who is

00:58:34.120 remotely thinking for themselves won't align absolutely hard down, hard line down either

00:58:41.080 way. Cause that doesn't, that doesn't make sense. No, no, that, that doesn't make sense. If,

00:58:46.360 if I come across someone who agrees with absolutely every line down a politician's manifest or whatever,

00:58:54.520 I'm questioning, are you really considering these things, especially if they, they agree with all

00:58:58.920 this and then they totally disagree with all the other ones. I'm like, I'm like, you know,

00:59:02.840 you can agree with that. And Oh, I agree with that one there. Oh, that one there. Yeah. And

00:59:07.400 you're a traitor. Yeah. You don't walk the line either side. Yeah. And that's, that's silly, 1.00

00:59:12.440 you know, and in terms of how to get over that, I think it comes from getting out of, I mean,

00:59:17.400 that in itself is a, it's a, it's still a form of identity politics really. Um, and it's getting away

00:59:26.360 from this idea of identity politics. It doesn't matter what level it's on. It it's all, it's just

00:59:34.680 a bit of a poisonous attitude and it's not very human and it takes away and it causes people to

00:59:39.880 focus on differences rather than commonalities. I mean, if, if you go out there and you don't know,

00:59:44.360 you're, you're playing sports or you're just going to watch a movie or you're going to theater or

00:59:49.320 whatever, you're just interacting in public. You're not out there thinking, who here is a,

00:59:53.640 who here is, uh, on the red team and who's, who's, who's on the blue team, right? You're just,

00:59:59.160 you're just there. You're having fun. You're mixing, you're mingling, whatever politics normally

01:00:03.240 won't even come up. If it does, most people will just talk. You might disagree. You might agree.

01:00:06.840 And then you carry on. You don't hate each other. You don't fight each other. Um, that's generally how

01:00:11.080 the real world tends to, tends to work. So I think the focus needs to be on focusing on the

01:00:18.280 commonalities rather than the differences. This goes with other forms of identity politics,

01:00:23.080 whether people are talking race or gender or sexuality. I don't know why those are the three

01:00:28.520 ones that people always focus on. I don't know why it's not height, eye color and hair length.

01:00:32.680 Like, I mean, it could be anything, right? It could be anything, but people get obsessed with that.

01:00:37.640 And it causes people to view the world through a framework where the differences are highlighted

01:00:46.120 rather than the commonalities being highlighted, right? Their view, they're walking around and thinking,

01:00:50.920 ooh, what skin color is everybody? Or ooh, what gender is everybody? And everything gets filtered

01:00:56.680 through that. And it makes it harder to just view people as individuals and as humans and to treat

01:01:02.440 them kindly and with compassion and with empathy and to discuss and to try to just converse with each

01:01:07.880 other like normal human beings without just coming back to these totally arbitrary and immutable,

01:01:17.480 largely characteristics, which doesn't make sense. I feel like, but are we being more

01:01:24.440 stereotypical human beings today and less stereotypical human beings with what you're

01:01:30.840 suggesting? Um, sorry, I'm not sure. I totally get the question. The question is, uh,

01:01:38.920 our nature is to categorize. Our nature is to make snap judgments. Okay.

01:01:43.720 All right. So we are actually, uh, we've regressed, we've regressed back into these, this tribal animal. 0.89

01:01:53.880 I got you thing. I think tribalism is innate in all species. It's absolutely in human beings.

01:02:00.840 We've all got tribalism. So I think the key is to make the tribe as big as you can.

01:02:08.680 Right. So that in the, in the U S of the American tribe, right? Not the black American 0.99

01:02:16.360 tribe and the white American tribe and the, uh, female white American tribe and the black lesbian, 0.97

01:02:23.880 um, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Like you, that's what people are trying to do and how people are trying

01:02:29.400 to break the categories down. But what's the commonality here? The commonality is American

01:02:33.080 beyond that. The commonality is human. So if people can, you know, maybe, maybe we're still

01:02:40.120 too primitive for this, but if we can sort of transcend upwards to that top category,

01:02:45.000 I thought we were on that road for a long time. Yeah, we were. But, um, social justice has just

01:02:51.880 said, we're just going to turn the pyramid upside down. Yeah. Yeah. You know, all the power was up here.

01:02:56.280 Fine. We're just going to turn it upside down and now the power will be here and you'll be the low

01:03:00.520 man on the totem pole. Yeah. That's that, that, that, because that's trying to right the wrongs

01:03:05.960 of the past instead of don't make the same mistake. Yeah, exactly.

01:03:21.400 Do you see us? Cause I think this is just a pendulum swing that always happens. It's an 80 year pendulum,

01:03:26.920 pendulum swing. And this, this time I think it is, uh, it's swinging, uh, partly it's natural,

01:03:35.800 natural swing is an overcorrection. You know, we saw problems and now we're just over correcting.

01:03:41.640 Yeah. Um, and when we get back down here towards the center, it'll be great, but we will overcorrect

01:03:46.760 from this. We'll overcorrect again. Yeah. And that's one of, that's one of the general concern.

01:03:51.320 That's a real concern. Cause that's something you're seeing somewhat popping up in Europe,

01:03:55.240 for example. Oh yeah. Right. In Europe, in certain countries, you are getting a rise in,

01:03:59.680 you know, legitimately what could be considered far right nationalistic frightening movements. And

01:04:05.960 people are, again, people are questioning why this is happening. And it's like, it's because,

01:04:10.840 you know, it's, it's, it's, it's reactionary, right? If something swings too hard that way,

01:04:15.800 you're going to get things. And the people in the middle are not people in the middle are really

01:04:19.960 important. You know, you, especially if they're in positions of power, they need to address people's

01:04:24.280 concerns and actually listen to the people. That's what they're there for. Um, I think this is a

01:04:29.960 slight side note. I think when people get involved in politics and this goes with any,

01:04:35.000 any public official, I think people need to, whether you're talking about police officers

01:04:39.800 or you're talking about politicians, people need to remember they work for you.

01:04:45.800 The police work for you. The police work for the people you would literally pay their salary

01:04:51.480 and policemen need to remember that. Right. Right. I think if someone could be in the police force for

01:04:56.280 10, 20, 30 years, and, and it's easier for them to forget that they work for the people, not,

01:05:02.040 not the other way around. Politicians work for the people. And so people need to hold them 0.90

01:05:08.360 accountable, right there. And they, it's not just their job to, Oh, like I'm, I'm in this position

01:05:12.840 of power and I can run roughshod over everybody and there can be votes and I can ignore the, like,

01:05:17.400 that's, that's like, no, that's not, that's not, that's not how it works. Um, so, so I went off on a

01:05:24.280 little tangent there and I lost my, uh, previous, we were talking about swing. We're talking about the

01:05:28.520 swing. Yeah. Swinging back. And I, I'm, you know, the last time we saw this kind of swing in the

01:05:34.760 world was in this kind of turmoil, it resulted in world war two. Um, it's the same seeds being

01:05:43.400 planted again. Uh, there are tripwires in the United States. The second amendment is one of them.

01:05:48.840 That's a tripwire. Um, we will go to war with ourselves if that is, if that right is violated,

01:05:58.520 we will also, I think, go to war over the first amendment. Um, but that one's a little

01:06:03.480 harder to pin down. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Why do you, if you think that's the case,

01:06:08.360 why do you think you've got politicians and parties that are pushing in that direction?

01:06:15.300 Do you think they don't recognize that or no, that's not a possibility to me. Um, because there's

01:06:22.040 a new study out by, uh, a group on the left that shows that that is true, that the people who believe

01:06:30.400 in the second amendment, they are not extremists at this point. The fastest way to push them into

01:06:36.160 extremism is to violate the second amendment. You go collect guns and you will, you will set those

01:06:43.400 people off. Um, and, uh, those people are just normal people right now. Yeah. If you know that

01:06:51.280 information, you're, it's the perfect question. You're the only one that I've heard asked that.

01:06:56.440 Why would you do that? I think there are, I think there are people who just don't know

01:07:00.700 who just don't care to know cause they think their side is right on both sides. Um, and I think there

01:07:07.100 are those who wish to set the world on fire, you know, Fabian socialism, uh, let's mold the world a

01:07:13.240 little closer to our heart's desire by heating the world up. Yeah. Is there a tripwire for England?

01:07:20.760 Is, is, is this, is this Brexit? Cause we would have been rioting in the streets by now.

01:07:28.600 English people are pretty calm. I know British people are like, if you do this in France,

01:07:33.020 like France, they love to protest. Right. Right. France. People love to strike. People love to

01:07:37.460 protest and that that's kind of in their culture. Right. This Brexit thing passes and they

01:07:43.220 miss this deadline and they come up with a new law or they're like, Hey, you got to re-vote again

01:07:47.840 or whatever it is. Is there anything that would take the English? It's a good question. You don't

01:07:53.800 part, I don't know. The Swedes are, are experiencing trouble. Germans are, Italians are, Greeks always,

01:08:03.780 Spain, Spain, France. And I see this big snub, this big, you know, uh, F you to the people of the

01:08:15.580 Ukraine of the UK. And it seems like everybody's like, yeah, but let's have some tea.

01:08:22.740 Yeah. British people are, uh, I mean, you know, the whole stiff upper lip thing that is, uh, you know, 1.00

01:08:28.040 it is part of British culture, I think, you know, to not be too, so we're to be quite diplomatic,

01:08:39.340 very diplomatic and not try to make a fuss over things too much. And so in terms of tripwires,

01:08:47.900 I believe they, I believe they exist, but it would be hard for me to say specifically what it is,

01:08:54.340 what I think a tripwire would be like. I don't think, you know, with all the turmoil and back

01:08:58.720 and forth around Brexit, I don't actually think it's, uh, if, if you're talking about a tripwire

01:09:03.480 in terms of things defending and descending into some kind of violence or, or just a, a real

01:09:09.780 massive uprising. Yeah. I don't know if it's a tripwire, but, um, I, like I said, I think the

01:09:17.300 bigger concern, if that were to happen would be the reactionary movements on the opposite,

01:09:22.820 on the opposite side. I think that's a bigger concern because that would just give them a nice

01:09:29.720 opening for, you know, people who with legitimately bad ideas and bad motives to, you know, grab some of

01:09:37.120 those people who are feeling disenfranchised or kind of homeless and disappointed. It'll give them

01:09:43.900 a chance to kind of seize those people and, you know, radicalize them to a degree. So I think that's

01:09:49.620 what people really need to be concerned about, you know, whatever side of the political spectrum

01:09:53.360 somebody's on, that's where people need to be understanding. That's also why people need to be

01:09:57.960 willing to sit down and talk across party lines, across political lines and discuss and have

01:10:03.180 conversations and not try to, you know, we've got this weird thing now where people want to be like,

01:10:09.020 oh, you spoke to that person who spoke to that person who spoke to that person. So therefore you're

01:10:13.680 associated with that person or you endorse all their ideas or something. It's like, well, why can't

01:10:17.740 people have conversations? You know, people are saying, oh no, don't, don't do that.

01:10:22.080 That's Chinese social scores.

01:10:23.280 Yeah. And it's, it's, it's crazy. And that's another thing that I believe people need to

01:10:27.700 stand up against. There are so many people, I mean, even with myself, there are people who have

01:10:31.480 said, no, don't talk to that person. Oh yeah. And people said, oh, don't go on the Ben Shapiro show.

01:10:35.920 Don't go on the Joe Rowe. I have people tell me not to go on the Joe Rowe. I'm like, are you crazy?

01:10:39.520 Like, why, why would I, why would I, oh, because he spoke to that person who was associated with that 0.71

01:10:44.800 person? I'm like, come on, come off it. Like, that's, that's ridiculous. How do you think you

01:10:49.800 can't complain about division and polarization and then not be willing to talk to people? I mean,

01:10:56.020 how do you think division and polarization happen? And, and even, you know, from a tactical

01:11:01.540 perspective, that's how people get blindsided by things. Right. Um, when I was in California,

01:11:06.640 I could understand again, I could understand how and why people got totally blindsided by Trump's

01:11:11.620 victory. I didn't get blindsided by it. And I live in the UK. Right. But I could see, oh, wow.

01:11:17.200 If you're living in this San Francisco bubble where 85% of people vote Democrat or whatever it is,

01:11:22.140 and everyone's kind of just on the same page in that regard. And you assume everybody else is like

01:11:27.860 that. I can totally see how you would not have seen that coming whatsoever. Cause nobody here,

01:11:35.320 um, you know, you, it seemed like, okay, a hundred percent here. And, uh, it was the same thing in

01:11:40.560 Brexit. You know, a lot of people who live in London, especially we're really blindsided by

01:11:45.140 the Brexit vote. And there's a danger of people becoming too siloed. They end up in echo chambers.

01:11:50.540 And again, whether or not people agree or disagree with each other, it's important to be able to just

01:11:56.140 for your own self, have an awareness of what's going on out there. And in terms of being able to

01:12:01.520 relate with other people and understand other perspectives, it's good to talk to people who

01:12:05.600 disagree with you. And then you can understand them. I mean, I'm, I'm blessed in a way that I'm,

01:12:11.580 I'm often surrounded by people who disagree with me on a lot of major things.

01:12:16.480 Isn't that great though?

01:12:17.260 And so I, I'm very comfortable with being able to explain why I believe what I believe in certain

01:12:24.460 regards or stand up for my beliefs and say, cause I'm constantly being, you know, that challenge is,

01:12:30.340 is constantly there. It's good. Whereas if it, whereas if I were just in the, in the majority

01:12:35.060 all the time and just surrounded by people who think exactly like me, then firstly, I might not

01:12:40.240 even know where those beliefs come from and not be able to articulate why I believe what I believe.

01:12:44.980 Um, but then, yeah, if someone comes with a pin and, you know, puts a little hole in my balloon,

01:12:50.480 then I've got no tools to, and, and, and I mean, I see that happen all the time. Like there are those,

01:12:57.940 sometimes I'll talk to someone and cause oftentimes with me, people will think I believe things that

01:13:03.020 I don't, right? How many people believe I think they believe in things that I don't? And they'll

01:13:08.140 go, and then I'll just ask a basic question. And they're like, Oh, wait, you know, they haven't

01:13:12.900 even thought of, they haven't thought of why they kind of believe what they do. Cause they didn't

01:13:20.020 expect me to question it because nobody else has been questioning it. And I'm like, have you never

01:13:24.700 considered that you've never considered the opposite side? I mean, I like to always know

01:13:30.700 the best argument on any, any, any issue that I'm interested in or care about. I want to know

01:13:36.480 the best argument for and against it. Cause then I can, well, one, I can come to my own conclusion

01:13:43.240 or maybe hang somewhere in the middle, but I can also just understand where each side is coming

01:13:49.040 from. And you see this on a lot of hot button topics where you can just tell that this person

01:13:55.460 has never even considered the opposite side. And that person has never even considered the

01:14:00.540 opposite side because what they're saying doesn't even make sense or what they think the other side

01:14:04.960 believes is totally wrong. And you see this on a lot of different issues and you're just like,

01:14:09.380 huh? Have you even spoken to, have you even spoken to anybody about this? Where did you get that

01:14:14.180 idea from? Um, so yeah, it's, uh, it's interesting. So your mom and dad believe that anything you

01:14:22.440 believe you're going to do and you'll accomplish it. I believe that too. Uh, so if that's true,

01:14:33.220 where are you going to be in five years? Wow. Um, who will you be in five years?

01:14:44.180 What impact will you be making and how, what do you, where are you going to be?

01:14:50.500 I will absolutely still be Zuby, uh, hopefully a better, smarter, stronger, more refined version

01:14:56.540 of him. Um, but I want to be doing everything I currently do just on a larger scale. I love what

01:15:04.920 I do. I love, I love making music. I enjoy doing, having conversations like this. I enjoy public

01:15:09.840 speaking. I enjoy doing podcasts, using my voice essentially to put out everything I said at the

01:15:16.480 beginning of this podcast to the world, truth, authenticity, positivity, inspiration, understanding,

01:15:22.560 helping people understand that they've got a potential that they can achieve and reach.

01:15:26.280 So in five years time, I would like to have an audience in the millions and be traveling nationally,

01:15:38.140 internationally for both my music, speaking podcast, whatever it is that I do. I want to be

01:15:46.860 doing all, I feel, I feel like I'm, I'm on the path I already want to be on. It's just a matter of

01:15:52.760 reaching more and more people through it. Um, I don't, I don't set any ceilings for what I'm able

01:16:01.120 to achieve. I'd like to reach and have an impact on as many people as I possibly can. And as are

01:16:08.060 willing to listen and take on board some of the things that I'm saying, and I won't, you know,

01:16:16.300 totally change who I am or anything like that, just in order to try to reach more people. Uh, that's

01:16:20.980 not, those aren't compromises I'm willing to make, but, um, I know I've got an audience out there.

01:16:25.980 Some are who have already discovered me and following me. Some of who haven't heard of me yet,

01:16:30.800 but I want to try to reach as many of them as I can. It is refreshing and nice to meet somebody new,

01:16:39.100 uh, that, uh, knows who they are, knows where they came from and knows where they're going.

01:16:46.560 And I agree with your parents. You will, you will arrive wherever you set your mind and let me know

01:16:54.000 how I can help and how we can help. It's been a pleasure. I appreciate that so much. Thank you.

01:17:03.480 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 12, 2019

Ep 54 ｜ Truth Over Politics： A British Rapper’s View of America ｜ Zuby ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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