Ep 59 ｜ Christ, Race, and Kanye： A New Revival ｜ David J. Harris Jr. ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Summary
David J. Harris Jr. is a political commentator, podcaster, and host of a brand new podcast. He s got his own website, he s a Trump supporter, and he's a Black American. He's also the author of his own book, Why I Couldn t Stay Silent.
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I want to get right to today's podcast. You're going to perhaps be introduced for the first time.
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This is not the first time you've heard him. I think you're going to fall all in love with him
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over again. His name is David J. Harris Jr. He is a guy who is political commentator,
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maybe. Is that how you would do it? Entrepreneur, maybe. Podcaster. He's got a brand new podcast,
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David J. Harris Jr. Podcast. He's got his own website. He's a Trump supporter.
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He's a black American. He's also the author of his own book, Why I Couldn't Stay Silent.
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You can find that now on Audible. He reads it himself. He's fascinating and very, very deep.
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We talk about Kanye. We talk about God. We talk about revival and the revival of the
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black American spirit and family. You are going to love this podcast. Enjoy.
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So before we get to why you couldn't stay silent, I want to go back to you as a child.
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Where were you born? What was your upbringing? You're very religious now. Were you raised in
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a religious family? I was born in Redding, California, and it's predominantly a pretty
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white community. Out of the black folks that were in that area, half of them were my family,
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and then there was the other half, pretty much. But my parents were very strong Christians
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growing up. My grandpa was the first black chaplain for Shasta County, which is the area
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of Redding, and he was a minister for 53 years. My parents got divorced at nine, and I went from
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what I was told where I had a Bible verse memorized for every letter of the alphabet. I'd like to get
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on my shoebox and act like I was preaching. I went from that to my family feeling like it was
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just torn apart. Literally, my dad picked me up from school at nine, and we hopped in the van.
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We was born in Redding. We moved to Klamath Falls, Oregon. He picked me up in the van, and we drove to
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Redding. And I didn't see my mom again until the court date, where the judge brought me back into his
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chambers. And he said, young man, who do you want to live with? And at nine years old, all I could
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think about was, well, my dad is dark. My mom is white. My dad's black. And he's a man. He looks more
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like me. I want to live with my dad. And I didn't realize the ramifications that I would have felt
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from that decision, taking that decision on myself for literally decades later.
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So have you heard of the five love languages? So I'm a physical touch and words of affirmation.
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My dad is not. He was a service. You know, he made sure I had a roof over my head, clothes on my back,
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but it wasn't, it was rarity that I'd get an I love you or I'm proud of you or any of those things.
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So I grew up in my teenage years, I got involved in drugs and drinking pretty heavily to the point
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where at one, at one time I had a pager on that would go off 50 to a hundred times a day from people
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wanting everything from weed to you were selling. Yeah. Crank mushrooms, acid, whatever. I was the
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drug dealer at the party. Everybody wanted to hang out with because if you were at the party and you
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were next to me, you only got something. Wow. So that was my, that had become my life.
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I was very insecure. I felt like the more I could get ladies attention that were popular in school,
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the better that made me feel about myself. So I would have multiple girlfriends at one time and
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then try to keep them all separate. Holy cow. I wasn't going all the way with them. I was actually
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not, I was afraid to do that, but it was just, if I could get them to like me, then I felt better
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about myself. And at 18 years old, um, I had one girlfriend and her mom was supposed to be gone at
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a church retreat all weekend. And I showed up at her house and I was high. I had a big bottle of wine
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and it's Saturday night and her mom comes home and her mom was overly protective.
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Jennifer was her only daughter. She was a single parent and, uh, we were expecting her mom to fly
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off the handle and get a pod, a knife, call the cops. And she opened the door and we were just laying
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there. We weren't doing anything. And she says, so what's going on? And Jennifer says, well, we're just
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hanging out. And her mom says to her, was he staying the night? Yeah. That she would even ask
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that question. Welcome to California. I think it was more of a God thing that he gave her peace
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because her boyfriend before me that she'd been seeing for a year and a half was sitting on her
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bed in the middle of the day. And her mom went off, get out of my daughter's room. You got no business
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in there. So we were expecting that times 10. And instead she asks, is he staying the night?
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So Jennifer said, well, yeah, he was going to. And then her mom asked, well, you're going to go to
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church tomorrow. Now, neither Jennifer nor myself had been going to church. Um, but my grandpa was
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a pastor. So I said, we can go to my grandpa's church. Kind of like hint, hint. My grandpa's a
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pastor. And so she asked what time it started and she said, okay. And she shut the door and let me stay
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the night. And the next day I remember waking up and I hadn't drank anything yet. I hadn't smoked
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anything yet. I'm thinking, man, today really seems like a different day. And my grandpa's service was
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at two o'clock cause he was sharing a church. So it was in between their services. So all morning
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goes by, I don't get any text messages or, uh, from my beeper pager. And, uh, we get to church
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and it's a full gospel, you know, church of God in Christ church. And so the choir is just singing
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and then somebody in the crowd and the audience would stand up and the choir would quiet down and
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they'd testify as to what God was doing their life. I was praying about this. I was going through
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this and God came through and the choir would go crazy and all the church would go crazy and the
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church, the choir would just keep going. So that just continued to happen. Person after person would
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stand up and it was becoming evident to me that not only was God real and working in people's
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lives, but I was missing out and actually doing the devil's work. My pager's on. Then this little
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church mother stood up, 80 something sweet little black lady stood up and she said, she went to the
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window and she saw a clock in the sky. And she said, she saw the hands winding down and she said,
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time is running out and people got to get right. Time is running out and people got to get right.
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And I just broke. Here I am, 18 years old, drug dealing thug, a womanizer, and I'm balling
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in church. It's becoming just real to me that God has been good to me.
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My pager's on. I love that feeling. I hate that feeling actually, but I know the feeling when
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you're like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And you just know you have to.
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Yeah, I did. All the, all the things were running through my mind as far as why I shouldn't
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my life, what I was doing, who am I to say anything, shut up and sit down all words in
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the enemy in my book. But I just stood up and I stood up and I said, I'm just glad I'm still
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here after 18 years. And Glenn, the power of God's love flooded me literally. And I
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took off running around the church. Like you had to run out the back door to come back in
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the other side. I did that three times. It felt like a thousand tons of weights were lifted
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off my shoulders. Things visibly look different to me. And I was so enamored and just blown
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away with this love that God would show me in the middle of my sin drenched lifestyle,
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just middle of it. He just showed me love. So I remember getting back to my seat.
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And I remember thinking, what about this girl, Jennifer? I really liked this girl.
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And I felt Papa speak to me and say, don't worry about her. Just keep loving on me. And
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when I did turn my side and look at her, she had her hands raised and she had tears streaming
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down her cheeks. And Papa spoke to me and said, there's your bride. So we got married six months
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But I was still broken. I still had bitterness issues. I still had abandonment issues from
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being taken out of my school like that, moved to a new area, not seeing my mom again at nine.
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And I had, I went through a course actually just a couple, a little over two years ago called
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restoring the foundations. And it dives into ungodly beliefs that we can have like at the
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core of our being at our subconscious where we don't even know they're there.
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What I discovered going through that was that from, from being ripped apart, I felt like ripped
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apart. And then from me actually sharing with the judge that I wanted to live with my dad,
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I held myself responsible for the lack of words of affirmation and physical touch that I didn't
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get from my father. I also found out that the reason he picked me up, God bless my mom. I love
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her. I know she's in heaven right now, but she wasn't making very good decisions at that moment.
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And my dad found out about it and they were, had been separated already, but he found out about it.
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And he was like, I'm going to get my son and daughter out of there. So he picked me and my
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little sister up and drove us to Redding. So he was actually trying to protect us.
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So going through that whole thing, uh, it uncovered why I had battled with depression
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a lot of, a lot of my life. Uh, I had a belief that the women I love the most and need the most
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will leave me because I just didn't see my mom anymore. And I had a belief that I make bad decisions.
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How are you going to make good decisions in life? If at a subconscious level, I'm holding myself
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responsible for living with my father. And then throughout my teenage years, when I would go see
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my mom, she would give me words of affirmation and give me hugs and fuzzy my back and call me King
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David and tell me all these things that, you know, God's going to do these amazing things in your life.
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And so I always missed that going back home. So I held myself responsible. So going through that
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uncovered, um, the issues and the roots, really the roots of why I had battled serious depression
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for years, especially when I was traveling to work and abusing alcohol. Just, it was a crutch,
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You an alcoholic? Um, I battled with alcohol. I would say I'm an alcoholic. Yeah. I battled
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with alcohol for, for years and going through restoring the foundations, uh, expose the roots
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for that. And I haven't had a battle. I haven't had the mental battle for it anymore. Haven't
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drank. Yeah. Haven't felt the need to. Um, so I am, I will tell you, I'm, uh, sober 22 years
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now. Uh, and, uh, 23 years. And, um, I, I don't fight that battle anymore, but watching
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the news, man, once in a while, I just want a good Jack Daniels or a blackout. Just I'll
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take the blackout without the boobs. I wasted, I wasted all those great blackouts on nothing.
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How, how I'd like to forget now the news will have a tendency life will if you, if you let
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it, but, um, it's been a really good sober last couple of years. So was your, when did you feel
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your life came together? Cause you've been an entrepreneur, you've taken a, an idea and made it
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into a multimillion dollar business. I mean, you've had great success. You've had great failures.
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Yeah. When did your life, do you think, when did you, when, when were you always conservative?
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When did you have the beliefs and be the man that you are today? I've always been a conservative
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because I've always, um, believed that life starts at, at conception. So you've always been
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pro-life. Yeah. Yeah. Raised in the church and, um, just a, a firm belief that we're here
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for a reason. We're not here by accident and that we weren't crafted and given our purpose
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and destiny in life after we came out of the womb. But the Bible says that before, uh, when you were
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in your mother's womb, uh, I formed you and gave you a destiny. And so that just was never really
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a question for me. And so I could never vote for anybody that supported abortion. That was just the,
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that was the crux of it for me. I hear a lot of people and I have a lot of friends that say,
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well, there's other, there's been other good aspects of the Democrat platform. And I'm like,
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yeah, but if, if murdering babies, innocent babies is a part of their platform, what else
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is wrong? And why would I support somebody that's a part of their platform? Right. So I just never
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could, um, growing up in California, then Oregon. Uh, I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. I mean,
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I'm the, I am the whitest white guy besides the marshmallow man who stormed New York city in,
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in, uh, ghostbusters. But I remember the first time I saw an African American and my father said,
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don't stare. We were in the car together. And I was like, he's had dark. He is. How old are you?
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Six, maybe. Uh, and you know, I was around Hispanics and Asians, but I'd never seen an
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African American in person. Uh, and we didn't, at least in my town, we didn't have busing issues.
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We didn't have the racism issues that I, at least that I was aware of. Yeah. And I remember
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people coming from back East and in the South. And my, my grandfather at one point, uh, had a relative
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who was living down South and he came back and he had very racist views. And my grandfather was at the
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table and he just did that. And this individual said, Ed, you don't know, you don't know what it's
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like. He went and he said, I'm telling you, my grandfather got up and said, come on, we're all
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going. That's the only time I had seen racism. Wow. I always thought the West was different.
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Did you have problems with racism living in the West? I did, but I got it from both sides
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because you're, because my dad's, yeah, my dad's black. My mom is, is white. So from the
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black folks that were in my area, most of my friends were white because most of the kids
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in my class were white. So I had to make friends and I didn't even really see color. It wasn't
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an issue to me. It wasn't, it didn't even really register. So at what age, uh, through
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my early going into my teen years, I think that's, I think I was 12 before I really, before
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I met somebody. Um, I talk about it actually in the book that saw me on a water slide and
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I was, I was standing right next to him at the water slide getting ready to go down it. And
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we're in line and I sneezed and I said, excuse me. And this older guy, um, probably in his late
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twenties, looked down at me and said, there is no excuse for you. And it just felt so ugly and so
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hurtful. I mean, it felt genuine that he was really just like, wanted to hurt, wanted to hurt me.
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Yeah. And it made me feel really bad. And I went and I shared that with a friend and he said,
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well, he was probably a racist. And I said, that's the only thing that would make sense.
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And I hadn't even thought of that before. Then in my, in high school, I had to have one
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of my good friends, a white guy actually go to my girlfriend's house and take pictures
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with her and bring her to the semi-formal prom. So I could date her. So I could be there
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with her because her parents wouldn't. Oh, they, if they knew that she was seeing me,
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they wouldn't let her go. Wow. They wouldn't let her out of the house. But then I would hear
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it from some of the black folks too in, in school, you know, Shay Whitey and high yellow.
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And so I kind of got it from both sides, but my mom, my mom always said I got the best of both
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worlds. When Barack Obama was running, you know, his, his speeches, a lot of his speeches were very
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soaring. And how can you disagree with, that's kind of what you want America to be like, where
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we're all coming together. Martin Luther King, you listen to Martin Luther King speeches and you're
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like, yeah, I want that. I want that for everybody. Um, and I, and I always thought, and again, I grew
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up in the West coast, so I don't have experience. And, and quite honestly, you have the kind of
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experience of racism that I would expect in America. Once in a while, there's a jerk over
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here, jerk over there, but generally it's okay. Yeah. That was my view of race relations,
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not in the South. I had been to places where I had seen, Oh, this is a different world. Right.
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Okay. Um, what did you think of the race relations in America when Barack Obama got into office
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before he got in, before he got in, you know, I, I don't think that I felt like there was
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an issue, um, as big of an issue as I think he wound up creating it, creating one and exacerbating
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it and honoring black lives matter and calling out the police. I really believe that he made
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race relations a front and center, um, issue for America because I believe, and I had to
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research this and came to these conclusions after he won, but I firmly believe that he
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won because of his race. He was to the black Americans. It's the opportunity to have a first
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black president. So many of my family members voted for him. Um, and then to white America,
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it was an opportunity to say, Hey, we're not racist. We can vote for a black guy, but not
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necessarily in a bad way, not in a bad way at all. Yeah. I mean, sometimes when you hear
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that, you're like, well, but that doesn't make that they're proud to be able to go. Yeah.
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Absolutely. You know what? My grandfather or my great grandfather or my dad, whoever
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might've had feelings that are, but that's not me. Right. That's not me. I wonder how
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much that played a role though, even though it's a good intentions. Oh, I person's ability
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to say, Oh, I think, I think it played a big role. Yeah. I think it played a big role.
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I mean, it was history, right? It was everybody wants to be a part of history. Yeah. And then
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now we're left where we are all at each other's throats and what makes things so horrible is,
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uh, political correctness. I, I sat with members of, remember the shooting here in Dallas that
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happened, black lives matter. My team happened to be down covering that at the blaze. And, um,
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and so when there was shooting, they all ran and cowered underneath a car and they cowered
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underneath a car with some people that were marching with black lives matter. Wow. And they
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bonded. Wow. And so we brought them into the studio and they were not the militant black lives
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matter. They were the people who are like, our community is on fire and no one is listening to us.
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And I sat with this woman and I, and it was one of the braver things I think I've ever done. Um,
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and I think most white Americans feel this way. I said, uh, we were talking about relations and,
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you know, race relations. And I said, I have to tell you right now, I am terrified of what to say
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because I'm afraid I will say something that I won't know is offensive, but you will take offense
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to. And then I'm going to be a racist and it's horrible. She looked at me and she said,
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really? I said, uh-huh. And she said, cause that's the way I feel. Wow. Talking to you.
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Well, we're, you know, your book is why I couldn't stay silent. We are silent. Yeah. We're silent.
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We, we are afraid to speak. Yeah. This, this PC culture has created this environment where so
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many people would rather just not say anything rather than say something that's heartfelt. I think
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that, you know, we've talked, we talked some about Kanye, we might get back there, but I believe
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what our, our country needs is an awakening of, of forgiveness and understanding that none of us
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are perfect, that we all need to be forgiven and we all need to live a life of forgiving others and be,
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and not be so quick to be offensive, offended. You know, we've got this, this culture that's,
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well, you offended me or you offended me and that we don't want to offend each other. And then nobody
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talks and, you know, evil men prosper when good men do nothing and say nothing. So we've got to get
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to a place where as a people, we can try to always look for the understanding of what a person's trying
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to say, because otherwise we're just going to stay divided. That comes from
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a belief that I always had really up until the last, maybe 10 years that people are good.
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Yeah. People are generally good. There's some bad people out there, but people are good.
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We don't expect decency from the other side. We assign ill will to somebody who thinks differently
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than us. They're our enemy or that's not what you meant. Right. It is what I meant. You know what I
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mean? And when you have, when you have the lack of empathy where you can't see the human inside,
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you have no chance of coming together. That's right. Yeah. That's one of the things that I try
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to talk about when I speak. I get invited to speak in different engagements and events and I try to
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remind everybody there. They're normally conservatives that I'm speaking to. I'm invited to any big,
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Democrat or liberal forum yet. You never know. I don't think that's coming, but good luck.
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But I, one thing that I really felt like pop has impressed on me, especially as of late to share
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and remind people of is the scripture in the Bible that says our battles, not with flesh and blood.
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It's a spiritual battle that we're in and the enemy wins when we try to, as you say, lay the blame
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on the individual that's in front of us. And if we're fighting each other, then we're forgetting
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that there is an actual evil that is at work. I think people are, are, um, there is good found in
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people. I believe that sin is in our blood. That's why the whole need for a savior is natural.
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All natural man is an enemy to God. Yeah. And that a, a redeemed individual, uh, somebody that
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understands our need for forgiveness, then understands the need to forgive others. Uh,
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there's a funny, there's a funny video. We don't hang on a sec, but we don't forgiveness is not part
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of this new religion. The religion that we are practicing now as a country is not forgive.
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Right. Louis CK. Absolutely not. Nowhere. Don't care what you say anymore. Don't care
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if you apologize a thousand times, change your life. No forgiveness. Yeah.
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I think it's created the perfect platform for what just happened with Kanye. I do too.
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Because tell me what you think is happening with Kanye. I think what happens, what's happened with
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Kanye? Um, and it's very interesting too, to see it unfold. Cause I, I wrote about this in my book
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a year ago and then it came out, uh, beginning of this year. Um, I really felt like God was working
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in Kanye's life. You know, he's, he went silent on Twitter for 18 months. I think God was working
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on his heart. I think he was seeing things that were taking place in our country and he wasn't,
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he was debating and arguing and wrestling with himself over if he was going to lay it all on the line
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or not to talk about it. And let's get some perspective here.
00:26:07.100
Kanye was a guy four years ago that could do no wrong. Yeah. He was a two years ago,
00:26:15.020
two years ago, a genius. Um, the greatest music producer of all time. You name it. He could do
00:26:22.960
no wrong. Married into the Kardashians. Okay. The money, the power, the glitz, the glamour,
00:26:32.580
the, all of it, whatever you wanted, the sex, everything. It's all there. Yeah. And for him,
00:26:42.960
you know, because he is such a good marketer at first it was wise to say, well, let's watch him for a
00:26:51.960
while. Yeah. But there came a point to where this guy's getting pummeled so hard, so hard. Do you think
00:26:59.980
the pummeling, uh, did you think he expected that at first? I think so. Yeah. I think he had close
00:27:08.900
people in his circle that would tell him, Hey, it was don't come out for Trump, which I think was a
00:27:16.100
God, uh, urging for him to do that. You'll, you'll be branded all these negative things. You'll be
00:27:23.820
blacklisted. I really think he knew that he was going to be laying it on the line, but he did it
00:27:30.380
anyway. He moved forward and he went and saw the president, but he didn't have his conversion. I hear
00:27:35.960
that he had a, his encounter with God in like April of this year. What do you hear was? Well, I heard
00:27:41.660
that whatever it was, it was a true awakening in his heart, a true encounter with God, a Saul to
00:27:48.220
Paul moment. I mean, in an instant, a guy that's murdering Christians was making it his mission to
00:27:54.220
murder Christians had just left the stoning of, of one of the apostles and was on his way to go find
00:27:59.600
more and kill him. You listened to Kanye and his old music and it's dark playing that in church.
00:28:08.580
No, it's dark. It's very dark. Evil. And you listen to it now.
00:28:16.340
Holy literally. How? Holy cow. Yeah. Yeah. It's got God's presence in it. It's interesting to me
00:28:24.160
because I think he is going to be the one that lights the fire for the third great awakening.
00:28:31.280
Absolutely. And, um, and, uh, it's interesting to me, this is church though for you, how
00:28:42.300
church people have been praying for an awakening and they've been praying for God to use a man in
00:28:51.840
power. And I think many of them think they got it with Donald Trump, but Donald Trump hasn't had his
00:28:58.620
Saul to Paul moment. He's still Saul, but he's, he's doing great things, you know, for Christians
00:29:05.000
and everything else, but he's still Saul. Yeah. And here comes this guy who was Saul now seems to be
00:29:12.760
Paul is opening doors and starting something. And I've heard Christians. Well, now, wait a minute.
00:29:19.960
What are we doing? Let's not wait. You're like, what are you, what are you talking about? Are you
00:29:24.160
kidding me? This is what you've been praying for. That's just like Papa. Uh, we've heard it for
00:29:29.360
decades. You know, he may not call when you want him to, and he might not come the way you think
00:29:33.120
he's going to, but he'll always come on time. And I absolutely believe our country is in desperate
00:29:37.580
need of an awakening of God's goodness and his presence because it's in his presence. There's
00:29:44.480
fullness of joy. When you get in God's presence, when you're, it's like an, it's like a positive
00:29:49.940
infection because when you get infected, when you come into contact with God's presence,
00:29:55.200
you know, there's nothing else like it and nothing else can come close to it. And you
00:30:00.520
listen to Kanye's CD and it's full of God's presence. I mean, he made that CD with God
00:30:06.600
and that's how it was produced. And so it comes out in that, in that music. And it's, it's funny.
00:30:14.680
I've heard so many people that are, that are believers that want to throw stones and throw
00:30:21.140
doubts. And it's like, you're saying, right. It's not just me that's hearing that. No, it's
00:30:26.320
like, are you kidding me? Do you see what's happening? Yeah. But I really do believe most
00:30:33.040
Christians. I mean, you know, John Hagee is. Yeah. Okay. I haven't heard his stance. Is he
00:30:38.700
talking? No, no, no, no. But this is something else. We were in, we were in Israel together one
00:30:42.800
and we're sitting there, we're listening to these preachers and I love John. And he leans
00:30:47.420
over to me and he says, these guys are going to be really surprised when Christ comes back.
00:30:52.660
And I said, why, why is that? And he said, cause he's a Jew and he's going to speak Hebrew.
00:31:01.460
They might not be all okay with that. And I thought, I think many of, many of us would stone
00:31:10.920
Christ if he can, cause he's not coming the way we picture him. We think, you know, our
00:31:16.220
job is to keep an open mind. Yeah. You know, if God comes, you know, Jesus comes in and he
00:31:22.900
looks like, you know, John Merrick, the elephant man. They didn't expect that. Didn't see that
00:31:28.260
one coming, but right. Okay. Yeah. You know, and here he is giving us a gift. Yes. And so
00:31:35.200
many of us are like, I don't know if I like that. Yeah. No, he is sending shockwaves through
00:31:43.380
the church, through believers. I, I, I feel like I get a glimpse sometimes of how many believers
00:31:50.760
that were like Kanye were like me. We're like a person that knows God knows God's real, but
00:31:59.100
are lukewarm or I've just walked away or allowed life to get in the way of, of truly trying
00:32:05.280
to live a life that every day says, Papa, what is your will for me? And they're being
00:32:09.640
woken up. Let me give you an embarrassing true story. I was home just this week and I was
00:32:19.560
watching billions and my wife comes in and she sits down next to me and she just sits there
00:32:29.240
and she doesn't say anything, but I could feel her and I stop and I said, go ahead. And she's
00:32:39.880
like, what? And I said, Oh, I can feel the thinking. Say it. She said, you used to read your scriptures
00:32:51.680
all the time. And she said, I never saw you without your scriptures. And now I walk into
00:33:01.500
a room and you're watching this. And she said, it's not your fault. How have we gotten to this
00:33:10.180
place? She was right. It happens slowly. And you just kind of, sometimes you just get beaten down
00:33:20.980
and you're just, cause I know that's how it started with me. I was like, I'm just tired. I just want to
00:33:25.300
tune out. I just want to tune out for a while. Right. And pretty soon that good guy, that good
00:33:33.180
woman, they're just in a different place and like, and it's hard. Yeah. I think that the, a lot of
00:33:41.800
people are just coming to the realization that that's happened is seeing what's happened in Kanye's
00:33:47.680
life. I think automatically God will shine a spotlight back on our own. Oh yeah. Because when you see
00:33:54.260
somebody that's radiating presence, God's presence and love like that, you can't not be affected by
00:34:01.560
it. It's hard to, and if you believe it, if you believe it, I know you do in an, in an opposite
00:34:08.620
force. Yeah. He is going to go through absolute hell. Look, the attacks that are going to come his way
00:34:16.780
are going to be beyond any of our wildest imaginations. I'm always thankful for that verse that says
00:34:23.320
there's, there's more with us than against us. You know, we can, from what we can see and perceive
00:34:29.000
and think are going to come at us. I just always choose to remember that God is bigger there. There's
00:34:35.760
no real battle between God and the devil. That's not even a, that's, that's laughable. There's no
00:34:41.620
competition there. God wins hands down every time. And when we're his kids, if we just choose to rest in
00:34:50.440
him and rest in that, he says, my yoke is easy and my burden is light. So while on the outside of
00:34:56.140
Kanye, of Candace, of myself, of, of those of, of you that have gone through things and we're being
00:35:02.220
used as voices to try to wake up the masses and ask for God to just use us because God has used
00:35:08.380
you amazingly and he's going to continue to, I really believe he's going to even use you in your
00:35:13.560
next 10, 12 years more than your past 20. I really believe that for you. Wow. Uh, and so when he's
00:35:25.600
with us, he'll make that walk easier. I will tell you that, um, I've told this story a couple of times
00:35:32.660
and it happened to me 10 years ago, but I've told the story a couple of times recently because it's
00:35:39.440
starting to play out. I was with Billy Graham. Um, wow. I had a couple of times with him. I, I was
00:35:49.480
with him right before he died. And then I spent about six hours with him at his house. Um, and while he
00:35:56.780
was still kind of really going and, um, just the most amazing conversation you can bet ever imagine.
00:36:07.680
Um, my goodness, the kindness and the, he is, he was very, he's what I expect the bare minimum
00:36:20.220
Christ would be, you know, he just had, he had such fire in his eyes, but it was such peace,
00:36:27.060
you know? Um, and I said to him, we were, we got to a point where we were just kind of,
00:36:32.980
you know, thinking out loud with each other and kind of talking. And, and I said, um,
00:36:43.300
where, where are we headed, Billy? And, uh, he said, no place. Good. That's trouble.
00:36:52.520
Wow. He said, but we know how it ends. And I said, where are the, where's the next Billy Graham?
00:36:58.840
Where's, where's the next Abraham Lincoln? Where is the next? And he said,
00:37:04.540
I don't think it's going to happen that way. Glenn, he said, I think
00:37:10.580
this one is going to be so tough that everyone will have to admit only the Lord saved us.
00:37:20.800
Wow. And he said, but you watch, he said, he's not going to, he's not going to pick people,
00:37:30.100
you know, like me. And then everybody in the world knows their name. He said, he's, he's going to call
00:37:38.460
on people all over the world and they're all going to do just their part. And he said, you watch,
00:37:45.580
they'll start to connect and one will be doing one thing and another will be doing another.
00:37:51.140
And then all of a sudden they'll connect and they'll go, Oh my gosh. And then someone else
00:37:55.000
will come in and go, Oh my gosh. And he said, it will be all these little people just doing
00:38:00.320
exactly, even if they don't know why they were doing it, doing exactly what the Lord told them
00:38:06.180
to do, build this, do this, stand here. And then pretty soon. And he said, we'll just all connect
00:38:13.260
and we'll all know in the end that was the Lord. That was Papa. Isn't that amazing? Cause
00:38:19.740
that's what's happening. That's what I'm having. That's what's happening. You know, your friends
00:38:23.980
with Candace Owen, you played a big role in, in her, uh, in her movement. Was it Blexit?
00:38:30.800
Yeah. I'm actually speaking there. Are you in Atlanta? So tell me about Blexit. Tell me how,
00:38:35.760
you know, what role do you play in that? And, and look at how you're connected to her. She's
00:38:42.780
connected to, to, uh, Kanye and how this is all just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And
00:38:48.240
it's not one person. Right. No, Papa has been doing that. Blexit's amazing. Candace is amazing.
00:38:54.040
Her heart is, is huge. Her voice is huge and God is using her mightily, uh, as a beacon
00:39:00.900
of light and hope to a lot of, a lot of, especially black girls, but even just the black community
00:39:05.560
to be able to have a strong voice and be courageous when you speak it, you know, that's
00:39:11.680
been, um, we've had those leaders in the black community and conservatives, but not young
00:39:17.060
like Candace. Um, and not as, as not as given as much of a platform as Candace has given.
00:39:23.840
I mean, it's, it's been pretty amazing to watch her, her reach and her appreciation grow.
00:39:29.420
And I would share with her from the very beginning. I would talk to her about Papa and send her
00:39:34.240
some scripture verses and pray with her. She religious. She knows, uh, I don't want to speak
00:39:39.980
for her, but she does know that God is working in what she, uh, in what she's doing. I know
00:39:45.540
when we first started talking there, she wasn't quite as clear and I would, I would share some
00:39:51.420
things with her and, and, uh, I shared my testimony with her and she was like, I love that.
00:39:56.300
You've got to share that, you know, at the next Blexit. And, uh, and it wasn't just me. I know
00:40:00.800
other people were also speaking into her life. And as of, as of late over the last three to six
00:40:06.000
months, I've seen and heard more from her with an open, honest, uh, understanding revelation who
00:40:12.540
God is as her, as her Lord and savior, that I would, I would believe that she's a believer,
00:40:19.960
that she's a Christian. And I know her husband, uh, I know he is, he comes from a very strong
00:40:25.060
heritage and family. Um, and he's a believer. So I think there's just on the beginning of what
00:40:30.980
God is going to do for, for them and through them for this generation.
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I saw, um, what was it? I saw it a couple of weeks ago. Um, it was, um, a show that opened
00:42:17.800
up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, 1920. The Watchmen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, nobody knows that history.
00:42:28.760
I mean, African-Americans do, but yeah. Black wall street. Yeah. Whites don't know that
00:42:33.000
story. I was watching it actually with my brother-in-law, my wife's brother, and he didn't
00:42:37.900
know the story. As soon as it opened up, I was like, Tulsa, Oklahoma, 21. I'm all this black
00:42:41.600
wall street. He's like, what is that? It is one of the most incredible stories. I mean, that
00:42:49.460
was tame. Yeah. Literally really was. Yeah. Um, but, um, I'm watching that and I was struck
00:42:56.460
by, uh, how the little boy wrapped the baby up in a blanket that was made to look like
00:43:04.660
the flag. And you immediately think now you see the flag, you see a blanket with a flag.
00:43:11.120
Oh, you gotta be conservative. African-Americans blacks were conservative. Absolutely. Big
00:43:19.720
time. Yeah. God followers, strong families, all of that stronger families than whites were
00:43:28.220
in the 1960s. Then the great society just destroyed it. The, the movement, I believe, and I think
00:43:40.460
you do too. If we're going to save our country, it's got to be a God thing. Yeah. Cause that's
00:43:46.820
the only thing real. That's the only rock you can tie yourself to is, is the, what's the
00:43:57.460
health of the black community? The health of the white community with God, I don't think
00:44:02.940
is real good. How is it with the black community? You know, I can't speak for the entire community,
00:44:09.660
but what I can speak to is what I know. And what I know is that the majority of the black
00:44:16.060
community has been supporting Democrats for 60 years. And I had a video that I, that I went
00:44:21.740
live about, um, last week. I was actually listening to Kanye song. God is, he's getting wrecked in
00:44:27.800
my car and just started thinking about the black babies that have been aborted for 20 million
00:44:32.420
black babies aboard in this country. And I felt the urge and the need to just put my phone
00:44:38.400
on him and record myself. And I just poured out whatever I felt God was giving me to say.
00:44:44.220
And the charge was to the black leaders, pastors, um, that have allowed Democrats to come into their
00:44:56.160
churches. Some of them are promoting Democrat policies and Democrats only while abortion is a
00:45:03.520
part of their party's platform. And I've had, I actually even had one very prominent conservative
00:45:09.600
black pastor that I won't say his name, but, uh, he got angry at my video and he said, but you got to
00:45:17.340
understand the culture and the community and the, the, most of these kids that are having abortions
00:45:22.420
aren't in the church. You know, they're not going to church on a regular basis. And while I can
00:45:27.160
understand his perspective, there's the church is responsible. I really believe the church is
00:45:36.140
One hundred percent degree. And it's, I don't understand cause I hear that from pastors all
00:45:42.360
the time. Look, you don't understand. I'm trying to get the, well, you don't get the community by
00:45:47.300
becoming the community. You, you, you are responsible for the community. So you got to lead the way with
00:45:54.840
love. Right. You know, you don't condemn them. Hey, well, they have just had an abortion. So
00:45:59.360
they're not going to come to church. Cause what, I'm going to say you're going to hell. Yeah. You
00:46:02.380
love them. Right. You love them. Well, and even more, even more outreach programs for, you know,
00:46:09.420
at the abortion clinics, uh, or for those that have had abortions, uh, more outreach programs to help
00:46:17.360
strengthen the family, uh, in and of itself. But I think that overall the church has to understand
00:46:23.120
that a Jesus wasn't a socialist. He wasn't telling us to have a rule of government that
00:46:29.820
dictated how we treated the, treated the homeless and, and the needy and the poor. That was a charge
00:46:35.400
for the church as believers. We should have that in our heart to help the, the homeless, the
00:46:41.620
hurting, the needy, the poor, the broken. Right. And church is not a building. Exactly. It's us
00:46:51.220
people. It's us. We are the church. Yeah. And so, yeah, I poured my heart out. Uh, Dr. Alveda
00:46:58.960
King shared it. Actually, she sent it out to her, to her email blast. And I guess his, uh,
00:47:05.280
her, uh, engineer sent it to another friend of mine that was like, I've, I know this guy,
00:47:10.280
this is who he is. I've talked to Alveda on the phone, uh, FaceTimed when I had her, uh, God
00:47:15.280
niece, uh, Angela Stanton King on my show a couple times, but she'll be at the event in
00:47:23.020
And, uh, say hi to her for me. Well, she said, I'll never forget. She spoke at my event in
00:47:29.040
Washington, DC. There are 500,000 people. Wow. And, uh, and I had asked her about a year before
00:47:36.300
I said, I'm going to do something big. I'm going to do it in the mall in Washington. I said, like
00:47:41.360
you can, can you stand in for your uncle? And she said, uh, Oh yeah, I'd love to. And I said,
00:47:52.440
okay. And right before I walk out, I'm speaking before she does. Right before I walk out, she's
00:47:59.520
sitting under this tent and she's looking at all of the camera shots, you know, of 500,000 people.
00:48:07.800
And I said, are you ready to go? And she said, one second. And I said, what? And she stood up and
00:48:16.060
she said, the next time Glenn Beck says, he's going to do something big. I'll believe him.
00:48:26.460
She is such a sweet, sweet woman. Yeah. Sweet woman. And blasted in the media. Of course. I mean,
00:48:33.560
it's like, how can you tell someone like that? She tells the truth. Yeah. She tells the truth. She,
00:48:38.260
she is more like Martin Luther King than everything that everybody says Martin Luther King was like.
00:48:46.660
Yeah. I mean, he was the reverend. Right. Dr. Martin Luther King. Yeah, absolutely. You're a big fan of
00:48:53.220
King. I'm a, I am a, uh, probably 10 year fan of Martin Luther King. I didn't pay attention,
00:49:01.720
you know, he has the answers and it's not, it's so stupid to say this because before him,
00:49:11.000
Gandhi had the answer, but Gandhi and Martin Luther King said, it's Jesus that has the answer.
00:49:16.860
Right. It's so clear when you read King, why he changed the world. Yeah. No, it's just,
00:49:26.980
he had a way of, of, of shaming us without shaming us. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. He was not,
00:49:40.420
you know, right now people will say God's a socialist or whatever. Jesus is a socialist.
00:49:46.180
Really? Cause I don't remember Jesus saying, shut that man up. Right. I never ostracized that person.
00:49:55.100
Yeah. Um, you know, go take their stuff and give it to somebody. Never. Yeah. Never. Uh,
00:50:02.860
only in the parable where he gave the talents. Yeah. He gave one, one, one, two, one, five,
00:50:08.800
and they were supposed to go work. Right. And do something with it. And the only person that he
00:50:13.880
took it from was the one that did nothing. Uh, and what is that parable? That parable is
00:50:19.420
you know, but we don't have all equal outcomes. Right. We don't have start equal. Yeah. We don't
00:50:26.180
start equal. Yeah. And, and I'm not judging on how much, right. I'm just seeing what have you done?
00:50:33.520
Right. But to the socialist that did nothing with it because he was afraid he was going to lose it.
00:50:38.260
He thinks he should be rewarded. Right. To the mindset of anybody that thinks our government should
00:50:43.000
be socialist. And they say Jesus was a socialist. They don't know their scripture. It was taken from him.
00:50:49.380
Because he did nothing with it. And given to the one that had invested it. So, um, I've been
00:50:55.020
finishing up a book that I was going to be released in a couple of months, um, uh, right before, uh,
00:51:03.220
super Tuesday. And it's called arguing with socialists. Oh, I bet that's gonna be so good.
00:51:09.740
It's good. It's funny. It's good. Um, but I was discussing it with, uh, some of the researchers
00:51:16.320
yesterday and I'm working on the last chapter and, uh, while it's funny and, you know, it
00:51:24.800
goes after, you know, the crazy socialists, I really wanted to aim the book to where somebody
00:51:30.180
who is honest, who believes that socialism is about loving and caring and sharing can come
00:51:39.860
to a place to where they go. Oh, that's not socialism. Is it when you're hit with the facts,
00:51:45.980
but there is something that we all connect on. When I listened to Bernie Sanders, I listened to
00:51:51.520
Elizabeth Warren. I listened to all these people. I agree with much of their diagnosis. Right. Okay.
00:51:58.380
Yeah. I can listen to them complain and bitch and go, yep. Right. Yep. Once they get into their
00:52:04.880
prescription, you're like, exactly. Don't do that. Exactly. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Don't do that.
00:52:10.160
And millennials right now are being told you will be fulfilled if you are on this train and you just
00:52:24.180
advocate for this philosophy and you'll be fulfilled because we will together fill all of your wildest
00:52:33.580
dreams. It's going to end up where they're very hollow inside. Yeah. When I was their age, I was
00:52:41.440
very into money and, and fame. By the time I was 30, I was a completely broken man because it never
00:52:49.380
fills it. Right. This will never fill that hole. And that's a generation that wants to make a
00:52:55.600
difference. Yeah. How do we, how do we talk to people who don't understand faith? I've never had
00:53:03.160
that encounter where you're like, Ooh, wow. What was that? That felt good. Um, natural man does not want
00:53:10.120
to serve others. At least I don't. I, I go to service projects and I go to things and every time my wife's
00:53:17.300
like, we're going to go help them blow. And I'm like, Oh, I've got so much stuff to do. And then
00:53:22.460
I get there and I serve. And all the way back, I'm saying to her, how can we don't do that more?
00:53:27.320
Yeah. You know, it's not in your DNA necessarily to serve. How do we talk to them about
00:53:36.300
that? This is what Jesus was preaching. This is Jesus was just saying you, you and me, we're going to go
00:53:44.980
out, we're going to do some great things and you are going to be so filled with good. You're going
00:53:49.180
to be complete. Yeah. But Jesus is a joke. God is not existent. The government is your God. These
00:53:59.580
people are the enemy. How do you talk to them? One person at a time. I mean, I always try to
00:54:06.840
remember when, when I'm dialoguing with anybody that it's just me and them in that moment, because I
00:54:13.500
think that's, I don't think there's a shotgun answer for all those different variants of people.
00:54:18.400
I think that we've got to remember that it's about the person that's in front of us.
00:54:23.880
I had an opportunity to, uh, I was flying to DC and I was going to go see the president at one of
00:54:29.540
the events and I always wear my Trump hat, got my truck 2020 hat on. I have a pullout banner that
00:54:35.920
says I support 45 on one side and Trump 2020 on the other. And I like to make videos on the airplane.
00:54:41.080
I don't know if you've seen any of them. I have shared one of those. Sometimes you're a little
00:54:46.120
punk. I like to just be pretty out in the open. So I was, uh, I fly quite a bit. So I got upgraded
00:54:55.020
a seat, uh, to first class and I was in the first row, but I was against the window and I was thinking,
00:55:01.020
man, it would have been great if I was on the aisle because everybody's got to walk right by me,
00:55:04.640
the very first seat. So the gentleman that's getting ready to get on the plane right before me,
00:55:08.240
I happened to notice his ticket as he scanned it. And he's the aisle seat and he's a black guy
00:55:13.640
and I'm behind him. And I'm thinking, I think I just saw his ticket for a reason. I think I'm
00:55:18.840
supposed to ask him. So I was like, Hey, sir, would you mind switching me seats? We're both in
00:55:22.760
the very first row. I'm just on the window. I like to make videos. And he's like, yeah, sure. No
00:55:26.540
problem. So as we sit down, he sees my hat, my Trump 2020 hat. And he says, Oh man, I don't know
00:55:33.480
if I would have traded you seats, if I would have saw that hat. And I was like, really? As I'm
00:55:38.000
setting up my camera and setting up my tripod. And as soon as I turned it on, he says that.
00:55:44.080
And I was like, why not? And he's like, well, you know, I didn't see your hat. And I opened up
00:55:48.640
my banner Trump 2020. And he goes, Oh my gosh. He's like, I feel like I'm being punked. He's like,
00:55:55.500
where's Ashton Kutcher? I'm waiting for him to pop out now. But we had the opportunity on that,
00:56:00.580
uh, two, three, two and a half, three hour flight from DFW to DC to actually talk. And
00:56:07.700
he was semi religious. And I, and I like to say relationship because I understand how the word
00:56:14.420
religion is used for people, but I have a relationship with my Papa. You know, it's like
00:56:18.040
if we have a relationship with Papa, then it's not just going through the motions. I think that he had
00:56:24.720
an awareness of God, but he was very intelligent. Great job. Worked for a, work for a big tech
00:56:31.200
company, not one of the social media ones, but, uh, I think it was Oracle. Worked for a great company,
00:56:35.780
married kids. He'd never had a dialogue with a conservative or a black conservative.
00:56:41.700
He'd always just written us off. If he saw one of us wearing a Trump hat or any shirt,
00:56:47.560
he would just write us off. Like we didn't know what we were talking about.
00:56:50.220
So I had the opportunity on that flight to actually engage and talk and try to meet him
00:56:55.320
where I felt like I could, I could open up his eyes to some things positive that are taking place
00:57:00.040
and give him some understanding to, to some of the, the lies literally that he believed from
00:57:04.780
the mainstream media on how they twist videos and they show clips and they paint our president racist.
00:57:09.620
He hadn't heard those sides before. So at the end of that flight, he not only wanted my numbers
00:57:15.120
that he could stay in contact with me, but he gave me a ride to my hotel in downtown DC from
00:57:19.980
Dulles one person at a time. I think when there's enough of us that have avenues and sources,
00:57:28.180
like you are a great source for news, for truth. Uh, when we have enough of us individually out there
00:57:34.380
that are resourced with information. And then when I meet somebody and I feel like Papa's
00:57:40.080
brought me into that connection with them in that moment to either water a seed or plant a seed of
00:57:45.620
faith, I'm always keeping my ear and my heart open to that. It's like, I realized when Papa's
00:57:51.020
connected me with, with anybody, is it for this or is it for that? And most times I don't know.
00:57:58.980
Yeah. I just know like you, you'll see things, you know, they're like, Oh geez. Okay. All right. I got
00:58:03.660
it. I don't know what I'm supposed to do, but I know there's some sort of connection that's supposed
00:58:08.520
to happen. And sometimes you don't, you don't know. You just, you just don't try to win.
00:58:15.300
Right. He's not putting you there to win. Right. It could be planting a seed. It could be watering a
00:58:21.900
seed. It could be for you to learn something about you from them as well. So I know that, um, as far as
00:58:31.140
reaching the masses and reaching the people that either believe that the government is supposed to
00:58:36.100
be the answer for us. You know, I don't think that we're supposed to live our lives as babies that
00:58:40.320
need everything given to us and, you know, bottle fed, spoon fed, change our diaper.
00:58:46.160
I don't know who would like that. We need personal responsibility. You know, everybody should
00:58:51.660
understand the need for personal responsibility. And then when you understand that need that you're
00:58:56.500
responsible for yourself, no matter how the cards were dealt to you in life, we've all had cards dealt
00:59:02.440
to us some better than others. Does that mean that we should have a pity party? What was me about
00:59:07.000
where we're at? No, we should play the best hand that we're dealt, do what we can every single day
00:59:13.540
to be our best version of ourself. And hopefully at the end of the day, have an understanding that we
00:59:18.000
were created at this time to live in this hour for a reason. And there's a creator that wants to know
00:59:23.540
us as, as Papa. He wants us to know him intimately that wants to co-labor with us and creating
00:59:29.100
things in this world that'll change the world. I, I grew up in a, I grew up in a faith where my
00:59:35.880
understanding as a child was God is everywhere and yet nowhere. And so he couldn't get my hands
00:59:41.860
and arms around him. You know, I knew he existed. I just didn't get my arms around him. And a friend
00:59:48.520
of mine said something that was game changing to me, Glenn, stop thinking of him like everywhere
00:59:54.840
and nowhere. Think of him as a father. Think of him as your dad. Yeah. A good dad, not your dad,
01:00:04.880
a good dad. Perfect. And, um, he said, just do it for 30 days. Your whole understanding of God is
01:00:13.240
going to change. I look now at God as my dad, as literally my father. Yes. And I let
01:00:24.580
so much stuff go now. I don't fret. I often am like, you know, I know I'm in the car going,
01:00:34.360
are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? And dad's driving going, oh dear God. Yes.
01:00:39.000
Yeah. Soon. Soon. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I see myself as the child and I, I, it not only
01:00:48.260
helps me understand him understand you're not in charge. Yeah. You know, you are still the son
01:00:56.880
here and trust me, I got it. I got it. You don't know, you don't understand what I'm doing yet. Just
01:01:03.760
do this. I understand that. And then I understand how to parent my child. Yes. I was so afraid of
01:01:12.280
parenting. Um, because I didn't have a good family, didn't have a good dad. I didn't, none
01:01:18.640
of it was terrified. Once I read the scriptures, like a note from my dad, right? I got this.
01:01:28.240
Yeah. It changes everything, everything, everything, everything. And that's who Jesus was. He was the
01:01:33.420
living example of what we should be like. Yeah. Our father who art in heaven. He's our father. He's
01:01:39.940
our daddy. Where's he at? He's in heaven. He's high above all this mess that we're in.
01:01:45.700
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done. Asking for his will to be done daily in our lives. Jesus
01:01:51.880
said, pray this daily. Um, it's something that I think we all know. I think a lot of us are
01:02:02.280
learning and we're those of us that have an awareness of God's presence and of who he is
01:02:07.160
are growing in that awareness of the timing for this. I don't think anything else. And I think
01:02:14.620
even people that are non-believers have to see this. I don't think anything else can truly save
01:02:20.420
this country from disaster other than a revival and awakening of God's presence and his goodness
01:02:25.620
breaking forth through every part of society and every community, because then that's when you love
01:02:32.240
God and you love your neighbor as yourself. And when you truly are doing those things,
01:02:38.320
there's so much less division. And I've only prayed for this one other time before in my life,
01:02:45.440
and I'm afraid to pray for it as a nation, but I think we have to. The one thing God will answer
01:02:51.800
immediately is when you pray for humility. The country needs to be humbled and that's not going to be
01:03:00.080
pretty. No. Um, I talked to a pastor who escaped China. Um, and, uh, Mr. Remarkable man. And he said to
01:03:13.860
me, I said, well, we're praying for the people in China. He said, that's funny. Cause we are too,
01:03:20.240
but you know what we're paying, praying for Americans. No, he said that you fall. Wow. And I said,
01:03:30.200
how is that helpful? And he said, you have forgotten who you are. You need to be humbled.
01:03:39.140
We know when you are humbled, you will remember who you are and you will come and save us. Wow.
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Wow. Wow. It's true. It is. It's been a pleasure talking to you. You too, Glenn. Thank you. Absolutely.
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