The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 6 ｜ Eric Bolling ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 I think everybody's had that day where just like everything bad that could possibly happen does.

00:00:08.240 But you're about to hear about a day I think is every person's nightmare,

00:00:15.500 the worst day in anyone's life I've ever heard of.

00:00:20.000 In the end, if we're lucky, we come to realize as people that it's how we deal

00:00:28.160 with what has happened to us, the way we face tragedy, and that, in the end, defines us.

00:00:36.060 Moments in time that we could spend a lifetime wishing we could undo or redo.

00:00:43.060 But at the end of the day, the only thing we can really control is our response

00:00:49.500 and whether we allow it to destroy us or to build us.

00:00:53.560 Today, I'm going to talk to Eric Bolling, who experienced the worst day I've ever heard.

00:01:03.580 This is the first time he is coming out and speaking about this in public for the media.

00:01:10.460 We talk about the loss of his job, and on the way home, he found out about the death of his son.

00:01:17.600 He takes us through important warnings and asks important questions,

00:01:24.080 whether you agree with or not the dangers of opioids, the pain of losing a child,

00:01:29.460 and how his marriage has grown through all of this.

00:01:34.180 We also talk about his personal relationship with Donald Trump,

00:01:37.160 as well as Trump's unconventional but effective approach to business,

00:01:41.480 his presidency, and his policies.

00:01:44.060 Today's podcast, Eric Bolling.

00:01:47.600 Eric, I think you are a guy who could claim the title of

00:02:07.980 I had the worst day anyone on the planet has ever had.

00:02:13.480 You lose your job, and on the same day, you lose your only child.

00:02:20.680 Can you talk to me?

00:02:21.740 I don't care really about the job.

00:02:23.520 Can you talk to me about losing your son?

00:02:26.880 I'll add one more to that.

00:02:28.160 I lost my faith that day, too, Glenn.

00:02:30.520 I had gone to church five days a week during the week and every Sunday.

00:02:34.580 September 8th of 2017 was the last day I went to church.

00:02:44.160 Early in the day, I had spent a long time going back and forth with Fox, with lawyers,

00:02:49.380 trying to figure out where I was going to go forward, what was going to happen.

00:02:53.140 And we came upon an idea that we were going to separate.

00:02:55.980 I was separating from Fox.

00:02:57.160 They said amicably separating.

00:02:59.060 Bowling and Fox are amicably separating.

00:03:02.120 And I looked at it on that day as a new beginning.

00:03:06.000 You can go start and go find another job somewhere, and life's going to be great.

00:03:09.840 And you were going to sue.

00:03:11.820 I didn't know what I was going to do, Glenn.

00:03:14.120 I will tell you that whatever was written about me was false, patently false.

00:03:19.520 It was a lie.

00:03:21.680 It never happened, and no one has ever, ever come forward.

00:03:25.080 It was all anonymous sourcing.

00:03:27.400 Maybe long story short, my lawyer said it's probably time to just cut ties with Fox and

00:03:31.760 move on and go find another job.

00:03:33.220 This could go on forever.

00:03:34.860 And frankly, my family was going to be dragged through the mud for a long time.

00:03:38.240 So I decided that that was the thing to do.

00:03:40.680 We cut ties around 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

00:03:43.600 It was a Friday before a long weekend, before Labor Day.

00:03:47.160 I took my wife out to dinner that night, and we were going to celebrate.

00:03:51.560 The owner of the restaurant came over and said, hey, you know, congratulations.

00:03:54.940 This is a new start.

00:03:55.900 We had a nice drink.

00:03:57.500 On the way home, we got the call.

00:04:00.280 We were driving home, and my phone rang.

00:04:05.100 There was a young man on the other side of the phone saying, Mr. Bowling, call your son.

00:04:09.960 Call Eric right away.

00:04:10.920 I said, what's wrong?

00:04:11.580 He said, just call Eric right away.

00:04:13.080 I called over there, and a girl answered, and her name was Kayla.

00:04:16.500 He had been seeing her on and off.

00:04:18.600 She was crying, and for some reason, I just went right to, is he alive?

00:04:22.540 She said, no.

00:04:43.340 So, that was a rough day.

00:04:55.680 The next day, I went to Colorado, and the president called me.

00:05:04.060 He says, anything we can do for you?

00:05:06.360 I said, no.

00:05:07.920 Thank you.

00:05:08.560 But at that day, I realized that he cared, and so for the next few months, I made it my

00:05:15.840 mission to create awareness around opioids.

00:05:21.140 Eric bought his annex on campus.

00:05:26.780 It was laced with fentanyl, and it killed him.

00:05:34.180 So, yeah.

00:05:36.660 So, that was that day.

00:05:39.320 And so, now we are a year and two days after that, and it's been a rough go.

00:05:46.100 So, we can stop at any time if you don't want to talk about anything.

00:05:51.560 So, I think it's just an important story to tell.

00:05:56.820 Well, when you said, is he alive, why?

00:06:04.500 Were there indications, or was it just a dad feeling?

00:06:07.540 It was a feeling.

00:06:08.480 Who gets a call at 1030 at night and is told to call your son right away without explaining

00:06:13.880 why?

00:06:14.380 And I just had the hunch, and sure enough, the hunch turned out to be true.

00:06:18.260 So, it turns out he bought a Xanax on campus that was laced with fentanyl.

00:06:24.300 It wasn't a prescriptive Xanax.

00:06:25.660 He didn't know, and he passed and was an accidental overdose.

00:06:29.480 So, the question you asked me was, are they going to sue Fox?

00:06:32.500 At that moment, I had no fight in me to do anything.

00:06:35.740 So, we spent, my wife and I just got very close, and we spent the better part of the

00:06:39.880 next year just talking to other parents, talking any opportunity we could to get the

00:06:46.380 word out that it's an epidemic.

00:06:48.860 Excuse me.

00:06:49.440 And parents need to know that their children are at risk, and it's a massive epidemic in

00:06:58.880 the country.

00:06:59.780 Young kids need to know that one pill can kill you.

00:07:02.240 They're not sure what you're ever taking.

00:07:04.460 And parents need to know that your child isn't too smart, too popular, too athletic to be exposed

00:07:11.240 to potentially dying from an overdose.

00:07:13.860 I have very high tolerance to drugs, and I went in for surgery, maybe 10, 15 years ago,

00:07:22.840 and I have woken up on the operating table twice, scare the hell out of the anesthesiologist.

00:07:30.460 But they couldn't keep me down, and I didn't realize until two days later that they were

00:07:41.340 pumping me full of all kinds of stuff.

00:07:42.760 One of them was fentanyl, and I went home with a patch.

00:07:46.600 I had never even heard of fentanyl.

00:07:47.920 And I woke up one night, and I kept waking myself up, and I would stop breathing.

00:07:56.060 And I'd wake up, and I distinctly remember, if you don't, because each time I'd wake up,

00:08:03.360 I'd hear, take that patch off.

00:08:04.860 I didn't even know what it was.

00:08:06.580 Take that patch off.

00:08:07.480 The last time I woke up, I heard, if you don't take that patch off, you will not wake again.

00:08:16.280 So I got up out of bed, and I just ripped it off.

00:08:21.240 That next morning, I asked my wife, I said, what is that?

00:08:26.140 We started reading the box.

00:08:27.620 It's for end-of-life use only.

00:08:32.580 It is the most addictive, most potent.

00:08:38.280 I mean, they're only supposed to give it to people who they know are going to die,

00:08:42.680 because you're going to get hooked on it, because it's so potent, and it's so dangerous.

00:08:47.760 Cancer patients who are on their last stage, you're right.

00:08:52.120 Three or four grains of salt, that's how much fentanyl can kill a 200-pound man.

00:08:56.500 It is, it's set on the box.

00:08:59.140 I just ripped it off.

00:09:00.640 My wife came in, and she was wearing plastic, rubber gloves. 0.99

00:09:04.840 It says on the box, just for the patch.

00:09:08.420 If you touch the patch, and it's not prescribed for you, you could die.

00:09:15.380 It's so wicked.

00:09:16.840 Law enforcement officers have overdosed just by, on a bust, just taking the package of fentanyl.

00:09:24.740 And just coming in contact.

00:09:28.000 It's wildly, wildly potent, painkiller, and opioid.

00:09:33.960 So, I mean, I was young and stupid.

00:09:39.740 I'm a recovering alcoholic.

00:09:41.060 I smoked pot every day from the time I was, I don't know, 14, 15 years old until I was 32.

00:09:49.440 I was, I remember doing cocaine and everything else, and I was lucky enough to not die from it.

00:10:04.880 My mom died from a drug overdose.

00:10:07.820 Or my mom, I'm sorry, almost died from a drug overdose.

00:10:10.580 My mother was addicted to painkillers. 0.99

00:10:15.800 Was your son, did he have a problem with drugs?

00:10:19.820 Or was this a first time, or is this just a part that you know?

00:10:23.840 He was a great student at the University of Colorado.

00:10:27.820 He was a sophomore.

00:10:28.740 He was only back at school a couple of weeks.

00:10:30.840 He drank in high school.

00:10:35.160 He partied.

00:10:36.300 He smoked pot.

00:10:37.640 I could smell it once in a while.

00:10:40.440 There was no indication of any sort of use like this.

00:10:44.900 And the coroner deemed it an accidental overdose.

00:10:48.840 How about the people with him?

00:10:55.360 I don't talk to him.

00:10:57.640 I just haven't had the desire.

00:11:05.120 Was this a girlfriend that he was close to, or is it just a...

00:11:08.820 I don't know.

00:11:10.360 I mean, the girl, there was a girl with him, but I don't know.

00:11:14.440 It's like, that's too painful.

00:11:18.840 I had a, I don't even know what you'd call it, a Twitter war,

00:11:28.020 with one of the parents from Parkland.

00:11:31.320 And it was over the Judge Kavanaugh thing.

00:11:33.600 It was the guy who went to Judge Kavanaugh and put his hand out.

00:11:38.040 And I asked him a question.

00:11:42.400 As someone who has lost a child,

00:11:45.880 you were there when they took Judge Kavanaugh's children away.

00:11:51.780 They were terrified.

00:11:53.860 It was unruly.

00:11:55.380 Did you have no sympathy for a father in that situation?

00:12:00.880 We're not living in a country where you can have a conversation with anyone.

00:12:14.480 If you were a parent at Parkland High School,

00:12:18.560 you can say and do almost anything, it seems,

00:12:22.360 and you're not held responsible.

00:12:27.660 Do you get that same treatment from people?

00:12:33.960 I get an amazing outpouring of support and love,

00:12:41.880 frankly, from both sides of the political aisle, for the most part.

00:12:46.740 I'll get an occasional Twitter person who says something so horrendous

00:12:57.840 I couldn't even repeat it here.

00:12:59.580 It happens.

00:13:00.880 But for the most part, both sides, even in the media,

00:13:07.440 there were a couple people at CNN, Don Lemon, Dan Jones,

00:13:12.140 at MSNBC, Joe Scarborough, they called me

00:13:17.100 and checked up on me regularly, and Adrian.

00:13:20.140 And that was surprising.

00:13:22.180 That was actually, it made me feel good

00:13:24.720 that no matter what our political ideology is,

00:13:29.260 and by God, they're miles apart,

00:13:31.720 that they could put that aside and stay in touch and stay close,

00:13:36.380 frankly, better than most of the people I worked with.

00:13:42.140 So what did you learn as a parent through this?

00:13:51.200 I've spent some time speaking to groups, big groups.

00:13:56.560 And I tell, it's the one piece of advice,

00:13:59.020 and I kind of alluded to it a little while ago,

00:14:00.800 that as a parent, you tend to think that your kid is just amazing

00:14:05.600 and they could never be touched by this.

00:14:07.360 And there's the line I use over and over,

00:14:09.900 or your son or daughter is not too smart, too athletic,

00:14:13.180 too popular, too white, too black, too Hispanic,

00:14:17.000 too Muslim, too Christian, to be touched by this. 1.00

00:14:20.540 And they likely will cross paths with an opportunity to try an opioid,

00:14:25.360 and you just never know if it's going to kill them.

00:14:28.000 So it's the not-my-kid syndrome is deadly.

00:14:30.140 But what did you learn?

00:14:34.620 As I'm a dad,

00:14:38.520 I can't imagine what it feels like to lose your child.

00:14:45.000 It's just not right.

00:14:46.160 It's just not the way life is supposed to work.

00:14:48.400 Parents are supposed to go first.

00:14:49.640 But I spend time thinking,

00:14:55.200 because I lost my mom so early,

00:14:58.220 I spend probably too much time thinking,

00:15:03.360 am I creating a memory with them?

00:15:06.420 If I would die,

00:15:08.700 what did you learn as a dad?

00:15:12.260 You don't have to go here,

00:15:13.700 but if you could do it all over again,

00:15:15.460 what advice?

00:15:16.240 That wasn't it.

00:15:17.920 That wasn't it.

00:15:19.060 If I had ignored something or had not spent time with them,

00:15:23.960 none of those were the case.

00:15:26.720 We were very close.

00:15:27.580 We texted every day.

00:15:28.940 I was at University of Colorado a couple weeks before for Father's Day.

00:15:34.160 It wasn't that.

00:15:35.440 I don't think I've learned anything.

00:15:36.960 I'm not trying to make nothing of this.

00:15:40.980 I've spent literally a year trying to get a grip of my life again.

00:15:48.340 I don't think my wife or I did anything wrong.

00:15:51.180 I think we were stung.

00:15:52.680 No, no.

00:15:53.140 I didn't mean that.

00:15:54.360 I'm saying there's no advice I can give a parent

00:15:57.360 other than have the conversation with your children.

00:16:02.120 He took a Xanax that was laced with fentanyl.

00:16:06.560 I mean,

00:16:07.920 how do you avoid that other than trying to implore your children,

00:16:11.960 which I try to do?

00:16:13.720 Like I said,

00:16:14.500 to the parents,

00:16:15.840 not my kid's syndrome is deadly.

00:16:17.420 To the kids,

00:16:18.340 one pill can kill.

00:16:19.980 Because literally that's what happened.

00:16:23.280 Most marriages don't make it through something like this. 1.00

00:16:27.960 Stats are.

00:16:28.620 What is it that you two have that's allowing you to make it?

00:16:36.580 We were together 20 years prior to that.

00:16:42.060 So we're probably like two sticks, Glenn,

00:16:47.060 kind of leaning against each other,

00:16:48.640 where if either one of them were to go,

00:16:50.040 the other is going to fall.

00:16:51.640 So we're two good people.

00:16:52.660 I can't imagine what kind of pain I would have if Adrian left

00:17:00.320 or what kind of pain I would put on her if I left.

00:17:03.340 So, you know,

00:17:05.540 we're still dealing with it.

00:17:10.220 We're still getting through it.

00:17:11.580 Do you think you'll ever not?

00:17:15.000 No, but I hope it gets a little easier.

00:17:20.160 Let's talk about the epidemic itself.

00:17:38.400 Whose fault is this, Eric?

00:17:42.020 Wow, whose fault?

00:17:43.380 It's probably the pharmaceutical companies,

00:17:46.900 I would say, to develop a drug so strong, so potent.

00:17:52.260 What's the reason for that?

00:17:54.160 I've had...

00:17:55.580 May I just say,

00:17:56.560 as a guy with a very high tolerance to pain,

00:17:58.960 as a guy who just said goodbye

00:18:00.660 to a very good friend last night of cancer

00:18:02.580 who was also on fentanyl,

00:18:05.560 thank God for fentanyl.

00:18:07.460 I think it is the most evil drug

00:18:10.960 you can give to somebody

00:18:12.940 because I was on it for four days.

00:18:17.280 I was addicted.

00:18:18.180 I went through withdrawals.

00:18:19.340 I was on it for four days.

00:18:21.160 It is so powerful.

00:18:22.840 But if you're out and there is nothing else

00:18:25.540 for a physician to give,

00:18:29.940 I thank God that we don't have to live in pain.

00:18:33.540 But it's gone beyond physicians.

00:18:36.300 Glenn, I've had a lower back surgery.

00:18:41.820 I've had a neck surgery

00:18:44.280 where I've removed four discs.

00:18:48.460 I never took any of that stuff.

00:18:50.620 There's a way to not have to do it.

00:18:52.260 I think it's...

00:18:53.300 I think fentanyl is evil.

00:18:55.500 It's evil.

00:18:56.400 They continue to make stronger and stronger

00:18:59.520 and stronger opioids,

00:19:00.620 and they overprescribe the opioids.

00:19:02.760 It's just a fact.

00:19:03.860 So Purdue Pharmaceutical makes Oxycontin.

00:19:09.780 Decided last year

00:19:10.700 that they were going to do something great

00:19:12.060 and cut their sales force in half.

00:19:14.320 And my question to them publicly was,

00:19:16.700 well, why do you have a sales force

00:19:17.800 to begin with?

00:19:19.040 Why don't you just fill

00:19:20.880 what the doctors are ordering,

00:19:22.940 fill their needs,

00:19:23.920 instead of selling more opioids to doctors?

00:19:27.380 If you're going to sell more opioids,

00:19:29.280 they're going to go ahead

00:19:29.940 and turn around and prescribe them.

00:19:31.580 That's just the way the system's going to work.

00:19:33.580 So I think we really need to regulate

00:19:36.200 the way pharmaceuticals

00:19:38.360 are pushing these drugs to doctors.

00:19:42.140 Are they being incentivized

00:19:43.860 to prescribe opioids?

00:19:46.340 I mean, if they are,

00:19:47.060 that's a really bad idea,

00:19:48.720 a really bad situation.

00:19:50.220 So I think the pharmaceuticals

00:19:52.620 are to blame.

00:19:56.580 I would say the doctors are to blame.

00:19:58.140 There's no reason you should send

00:20:00.840 the patient home

00:20:01.560 with a 30, 60, or 90-day supply of opioids.

00:20:05.140 That could be 200 or 300 pills.

00:20:07.440 Those are going to be sitting

00:20:08.080 in a medicine cabinet,

00:20:09.900 and young kids are going to be

00:20:11.080 walking around those medicine cabinets

00:20:12.560 looking to see what's in there.

00:20:13.920 If you yourself don't get addicted.

00:20:16.480 Right.

00:20:16.920 So I think we've become a society

00:20:20.060 looking for the quick, easy relief

00:20:23.520 for everything, including pain.

00:20:27.520 And I'll give you an example.

00:20:30.880 These dealers are buying street drugs.

00:20:35.900 Some dealers are trying to get

00:20:40.180 some of the street drugs

00:20:41.080 that are deadly

00:20:41.680 because then they'll be known

00:20:42.960 as the dealer with the strongest stuff.

00:20:45.660 That's what's going on in the street.

00:20:47.980 There are hot batches

00:20:49.700 where the night Eric Chase passed,

00:20:52.540 there was a military guy.

00:20:55.060 I think he was with the Navy.

00:20:56.440 He was like an admiral.

00:20:57.340 He was a high-level military person

00:20:59.020 who had a 19-year-old son

00:21:00.120 also passed at Denver University,

00:21:03.340 which is about 20 miles

00:21:04.260 from the University of Colorado.

00:21:05.900 Likely the same batch,

00:21:07.180 bad batch of Xanax

00:21:09.220 laced with fentanyl

00:21:10.020 and it killed his son too.

00:21:11.720 We just really need to crack down

00:21:13.160 and understand how deadly

00:21:14.740 the epidemic is.

00:21:16.700 But that's not the pharmaceutical company.

00:21:18.320 No, but it's right.

00:21:19.620 So there's the street stuff

00:21:21.480 that's coming in from China.

00:21:23.060 I think 90% of the world's fentanyl

00:21:25.060 is produced in China

00:21:26.060 and that's coming over illegally.

00:21:28.560 Some of it's coming over legally,

00:21:29.700 a lot of it's illegally.

00:21:30.600 Um, and, and then, and it's, it's both sides.

00:21:35.760 Both, both are causing the epidemic.

00:21:39.120 144 people per day die from overdose,

00:21:41.780 drug overdoses per day.

00:21:44.200 Somewhere around 90, 85 to 90% of those

00:21:47.520 are, have something to do with fentanyl

00:21:48.980 or opioids.

00:21:50.540 That's like flying a 737

00:21:52.440 into the side of a, of a mountain

00:21:54.680 every single day,

00:21:56.020 every day of every week.

00:21:57.700 We would stop that at some point,

00:21:59.500 wouldn't we?

00:21:59.880 We'd figure out what was going wrong.

00:22:01.420 Why were 737s flying into mountains

00:22:04.380 every day?

00:22:05.160 We'd stop it.

00:22:05.960 Why aren't we stopping this?

00:22:08.540 So how do we stop it?

00:22:09.740 Cause are you a believer

00:22:10.540 in the war on drugs?

00:22:12.240 We can't win the war on drugs.

00:22:14.320 So how do you stop it?

00:22:16.560 I think, so I sit down,

00:22:18.420 I sat down with Donald Trump, uh, in March.

00:22:21.960 So it was a couple months after it passed

00:22:23.700 and I was trying to help them out

00:22:24.700 with their opioid, um, awareness push.

00:22:27.960 I did a video, not unlike this right here.

00:22:32.160 Um, you gotta get the message out.

00:22:35.940 They're, they're doing,

00:22:36.680 they're doing great things

00:22:37.740 on the enforcement side.

00:22:39.040 They're stopping stuff that's coming over.

00:22:41.360 They're, they're trying to find,

00:22:42.820 they're actually sending people

00:22:43.760 into, into China to find the labs

00:22:45.760 where the stuff's being produced.

00:22:46.860 And they're trying to shut those labs down

00:22:48.220 with the Chinese government.

00:22:49.640 But we also need the awareness side too.

00:22:51.540 We need to really, if, if,

00:22:53.000 if they're going to spend some money,

00:22:54.200 and I know this isn't very libertarian,

00:22:55.700 but if you're going to spend some money on things,

00:22:57.800 why not spend some money on,

00:22:59.600 on educating families

00:23:01.260 on how dangerous this stuff is?

00:23:03.820 So, um, there is,

00:23:06.220 and I don't know the stats.

00:23:07.800 You probably do.

00:23:09.320 How many people are buying it illicitly?

00:23:13.680 And how many people are,

00:23:15.660 are regular people that got hooked

00:23:19.140 through a doctor

00:23:20.880 because they needed it at the time

00:23:23.220 and now they can't stop?

00:23:25.340 And how many,

00:23:25.980 how, what is the percentage?

00:23:27.420 Just let me ask you that.

00:23:28.700 They, you, you,

00:23:29.720 you keep going back to,

00:23:30.880 they got hooked because they needed it

00:23:32.700 and they can't stop.

00:23:34.240 Isn't it the doctor's responsibility

00:23:36.040 to make sure that they're not prescribed enough

00:23:38.640 to get hooked?

00:23:39.580 I don't think that there is a number of opioids

00:23:45.180 that you could take a day

00:23:46.540 that you wouldn't get hooked.

00:23:49.900 You know,

00:23:50.580 when,

00:23:50.700 when a doctor sends you home with 300 tablets,

00:23:53.040 what's going to happen?

00:23:55.800 Well, if you have restraint,

00:23:57.500 they're going to sit on your cabinet

00:23:59.020 and you take them.

00:24:00.440 But if you,

00:24:01.520 if you take them,

00:24:03.020 let's say you have back surgery.

00:24:04.600 I have a,

00:24:05.580 I have a niece

00:24:08.200 who had back surgery

00:24:10.280 after back surgery

00:24:11.060 after back surgery

00:24:11.980 and the cage came apart in her

00:24:15.000 from a botched surgery.

00:24:16.320 I mean,

00:24:16.480 she was just in excruciating pain.

00:24:18.960 Well,

00:24:19.580 they gave her fentanyl.

00:24:23.640 Okay, doc.

00:24:24.720 Well,

00:24:25.040 thank you for that.

00:24:26.240 What's the plan to get off of fentanyl?

00:24:29.340 And it's,

00:24:30.140 it's almost,

00:24:31.180 I think it's almost impossible

00:24:32.600 to get off of that stuff.

00:24:35.180 She needed it at the time,

00:24:36.760 but then a lot of people,

00:24:40.300 they,

00:24:40.880 it's so hard to get off of it

00:24:42.500 that you're just like,

00:24:43.400 I,

00:24:44.120 well,

00:24:44.700 there's an option of not having access to it too.

00:24:48.380 That gets you off of it.

00:24:49.800 I mean,

00:24:50.140 I think we need to really just firm up our,

00:24:52.560 how we,

00:24:53.880 how,

00:24:54.360 how available these pills are.

00:25:04.600 Tell me about your relationship with Donald Trump.

00:25:08.380 Amazing.

00:25:10.260 Close friend.

00:25:12.460 He calls me often.

00:25:14.500 He'll,

00:25:17.360 he's called me a couple of days in a row sometimes when there's something that's really on his mind.

00:25:21.480 And we talk.

00:25:23.400 And I give him my honest opinion.

00:25:25.320 I tell him,

00:25:26.160 I'm not,

00:25:26.800 you know,

00:25:27.460 a,

00:25:27.720 a psychophant that tells him he's right all the time.

00:25:31.400 I remember when the infrastructure plan came out,

00:25:35.020 it had been leaked by CNN.

00:25:37.200 And I had a meeting with Donald Trump in the Oval Office that afternoon.

00:25:40.860 And I,

00:25:42.160 I downloaded it.

00:25:43.100 I read it.

00:25:43.700 I walked in with the,

00:25:44.940 I said,

00:25:45.420 Hey,

00:25:45.620 Mr.

00:25:46.000 President,

00:25:46.220 I got the infrastructure plan.

00:25:47.320 He's like,

00:25:47.580 yeah,

00:25:47.700 it's great.

00:25:48.080 Right.

00:25:49.120 I said,

00:25:49.360 well,

00:25:49.940 it's okay.

00:25:51.740 He said,

00:25:52.060 what do you mean?

00:25:52.480 And when you say that to Trump,

00:25:54.060 that it's not the greatest thing in the world,

00:25:55.700 he wants to know why.

00:25:57.500 And in the original plan,

00:25:59.100 there were two provisions that I thought were missing.

00:26:01.380 And I said,

00:26:03.040 well,

00:26:03.200 number one,

00:26:03.720 I'd love to see,

00:26:04.540 you know,

00:26:04.920 90% of the,

00:26:06.040 the raw materials used in this trillion dollar plan being produced in the United States.

00:26:10.860 are coming from the United States.

00:26:12.560 And he said,

00:26:12.880 it's not in there.

00:26:13.420 I said,

00:26:13.580 no,

00:26:13.960 let's get it in there.

00:26:15.060 Number two,

00:26:15.920 I said,

00:26:16.360 why don't you let everyone know that Donald Trump in this infrastructure plan is building a wing of a hospital or bringing,

00:26:27.800 building a new school.

00:26:28.860 But why don't you allow the people in those communities first crack at the construction dibs on,

00:26:35.280 uh,

00:26:35.720 bids on,

00:26:36.300 on those jobs?

00:26:37.500 He said,

00:26:38.080 well,

00:26:38.380 what if,

00:26:39.080 what if they don't,

00:26:39.760 they can't compete,

00:26:40.440 uh,

00:26:41.200 financially?

00:26:41.940 I said,

00:26:42.160 well,

00:26:42.260 then they don't get it,

00:26:43.160 but you at least open the door for a local construction company to do the job for their own neighborhood.

00:26:49.360 I said,

00:26:49.700 you know how much goodwill you will have from the people in that neighborhood,

00:26:52.700 even Democrats in that neighborhood,

00:26:54.240 of course.

00:26:55.220 And I'm not suggesting that the American people should overpay because if they can't compete,

00:26:59.180 then you go to the bigger construction company,

00:27:01.300 the fed federally approved construction company,

00:27:03.900 give them a level that they need to beat and let,

00:27:06.860 let the local guy do it.

00:27:08.100 And he said,

00:27:08.440 that's,

00:27:08.740 that's pretty good.

00:27:09.300 He said something like we have a,

00:27:11.120 a,

00:27:11.460 a certain percentage of the plan devoted to rural America.

00:27:15.600 I said,

00:27:15.900 well,

00:27:16.180 I'm not sure that's a little bit too defined for me.

00:27:19.140 I'm just saying,

00:27:19.980 if you're in St.

00:27:20.520 Louis and you're building a hospital wing,

00:27:22.160 offer the construction companies in St.

00:27:24.060 Louis that job first.

00:27:25.240 And if they can't compete,

00:27:26.100 then you can give it to the big whomever,

00:27:28.940 GE,

00:27:29.340 whoever.

00:27:29.640 Anyway,

00:27:31.920 to get,

00:27:32.340 to get back to how,

00:27:33.260 how my relationship with them,

00:27:35.360 I can say that to him.

00:27:37.100 I'm not sure a lot of people around him would say that to him,

00:27:39.480 but,

00:27:39.680 but I do.

00:27:40.400 And I think he appreciates that.

00:27:42.160 So we'll have,

00:27:43.460 we'll have a lot of conversations and I see him,

00:27:46.180 you know,

00:27:46.420 my show's in DC now.

00:27:47.820 So I have the opportunity to be at the white house for Trump or Bill shines,

00:27:53.260 a great friend of mine or any of the senior advisors.

00:27:56.120 I'm probably there once a week at the white house.

00:27:59.380 So let me go back to this because you're a financial guy,

00:28:03.640 right?

00:28:04.760 I mean,

00:28:05.080 you,

00:28:05.480 my background.

00:28:06.100 Yeah.

00:28:06.200 Yeah.

00:28:06.420 You were first a baseball player.

00:28:08.620 Short period.

00:28:09.460 Yeah.

00:28:09.720 Short period.

00:28:10.240 And then you hurt yourself.

00:28:11.820 And then,

00:28:12.640 but you have your degree in economics.

00:28:14.880 Yep.

00:28:15.480 Business and finance both.

00:28:16.540 And you and I both have been crazy about the spending in Washington for a very

00:28:23.480 long time when Obama was spending money like crazy.

00:28:27.120 When,

00:28:27.800 when,

00:28:28.560 when they did TARP,

00:28:30.860 when Bush first did TARP,

00:28:34.340 that wasn't Obama.

00:28:35.220 When Bush did that,

00:28:37.040 when nuts,

00:28:39.120 when,

00:28:39.540 when,

00:28:40.200 when Bush did an auto bailout too,

00:28:42.460 that I know,

00:28:42.940 I know.

00:28:43.720 I don't forget that.

00:28:44.700 Yeah.

00:28:45.300 And then Obama came in and he did the stimulus.

00:28:49.960 What did they,

00:28:50.560 what did they call it?

00:28:51.320 American reinvestment.

00:28:52.260 Yeah.

00:28:53.060 Recovering reinvestment,

00:28:54.240 ARA.

00:28:54.660 And it was the first time that I had ever seen a number in spending at $700

00:29:00.780 billion,

00:29:01.720 almost a trillion dollars.

00:29:04.140 And we went nuts.

00:29:06.780 And I'm pretty sure you were there.

00:29:08.040 the first time I saw the spending proposal from Donald Trump,

00:29:14.420 it was over a trillion dollars.

00:29:16.700 So how do you square that with what you've believed,

00:29:23.760 you know,

00:29:24.420 about spending?

00:29:25.180 So you and I have a financial background.

00:29:32.500 There's no one.

00:29:32.960 You do.

00:29:33.400 I don't.

00:29:33.940 Well,

00:29:34.280 you understand finances.

00:29:35.760 First of all,

00:29:36.120 I just want to note something that you,

00:29:38.900 when you were gracious enough to let me host your Glenn Beck show at Fox,

00:29:43.480 I just remembered that when you brought up the $700 billion American reinvestment act was the day I bought,

00:29:50.500 brought 700 pennies in and threw them on your table on air.

00:29:54.260 And I said,

00:29:54.600 each one of these pennies is a billion dollars.

00:29:56.240 And in the piles like this,

00:29:57.660 and it kind of understood how much money that was.

00:30:01.120 The difference between Obama spending $700 billion and Trump spending it,

00:30:06.680 when Obama's growth rate was probably close to zero,

00:30:09.780 if not negative,

00:30:10.440 when he spent that.

00:30:11.960 And when Trump's growth GDP number is pushing three and a half percent quarterly,

00:30:18.120 annualized,

00:30:18.700 but quarterly,

00:30:19.520 this money is going to come back.

00:30:22.640 This money would never have come back.

00:30:25.340 You were just spending into a,

00:30:27.760 into a dying,

00:30:29.100 a,

00:30:29.560 a terrible economy.

00:30:32.620 We would have made our way out of that the same way we would have with or without that spending.

00:30:36.480 Cause none of that spending really went to infrastructure.

00:30:38.400 Most of that spending went to,

00:30:39.480 went to,

00:30:40.400 you know,

00:30:40.780 friends of,

00:30:41.600 of Obama.

00:30:42.540 So when you,

00:30:43.660 when you say that money's going to come back to us,

00:30:48.280 how's that money going to come back?

00:30:49.220 In growth.

00:30:49.860 I mean,

00:30:50.220 when you,

00:30:50.760 when you,

00:30:51.300 when you spend into growth,

00:30:54.280 you're going to get paid back when you go deficit spend into growth,

00:30:58.020 that pays back in the form of higher taxes.

00:31:00.400 The,

00:31:00.760 the economic pool gets bigger.

00:31:02.680 The taxes go up,

00:31:03.840 even if the rate is lower.

00:31:04.840 So when Joe Biden's,

00:31:06.220 or never forget it.

00:31:07.220 Cause I played it a million times.

00:31:08.900 People say to me,

00:31:09.780 Joe,

00:31:10.200 you mean I got to spend money to make money?

00:31:12.080 Yeah.

00:31:13.040 That's what he was defending.

00:31:14.420 Well,

00:31:14.660 that's what Obama did.

00:31:15.760 That,

00:31:16.040 that was the defense of the American reinvestment act.

00:31:18.760 So why is this one working?

00:31:20.860 And because the economy is stronger.

00:31:23.140 You're,

00:31:23.540 you're spending money into an economy that's growing and you're continuing to grow.

00:31:27.700 And that money is going to come back in the form of higher tax,

00:31:30.120 higher tax revenue.

00:31:31.320 Barack Obama said,

00:31:32.860 um,

00:31:34.500 that.

00:31:35.980 Yeah.

00:31:36.560 I mean,

00:31:36.720 just,

00:31:37.160 I think last few weeks took credit for this administration,

00:31:41.800 which I guess is consistent because he blamed Bush Trump or Bush for like,

00:31:46.080 you know,

00:31:47.240 I think 40 years,

00:31:48.900 um,

00:31:49.880 uh,

00:31:50.280 for all the problems he had.

00:31:52.860 Is there any truth at all that this is the Obama?

00:31:57.860 I honestly think that the reason why,

00:32:00.520 uh,

00:32:00.940 yes,

00:32:01.260 the economy was improving in the last couple of years of the Obama presidency,

00:32:04.460 but if you take the,

00:32:05.420 the totalitarian total of the eight years,

00:32:08.440 he was at one and a half percent growth annualized and said that that would be

00:32:11.980 the new norm.

00:32:13.180 Right.

00:32:13.360 Right.

00:32:13.540 And Trump has proven that that's not the new norm.

00:32:15.760 And hopefully the new norm is,

00:32:16.800 is north of 3%,

00:32:18.200 double the growth of,

00:32:19.900 of Obama.

00:32:20.720 Remember when,

00:32:21.360 when,

00:32:22.100 when the economy grows,

00:32:23.800 wages go up.

00:32:25.160 So do tax revenues go up and that helps pay off some of the,

00:32:29.140 the,

00:32:29.380 you know,

00:32:29.460 the growth in the spending,

00:32:30.560 not all of it.

00:32:31.980 Um,

00:32:33.140 I,

00:32:33.540 I think that with the real reason why the economy is growing,

00:32:36.620 the stock market's high,

00:32:38.180 unemployment is low.

00:32:39.700 I can't remember a time where unemployment was lower than GDP.

00:32:43.300 It's almost unheard of.

00:32:44.700 And if it's sustained,

00:32:45.680 it's phenomenal.

00:32:46.820 Um,

00:32:47.100 but I think that has to do with lower taxes and,

00:32:49.280 and the rollback of regulation,

00:32:50.700 basically everything Trump said he was going to do,

00:32:54.100 he's doing,

00:32:54.580 he lowered taxes.

00:32:55.520 The day he was elected,

00:32:56.640 he started rolling back regulation and that for a business,

00:33:00.040 that's phenomenal.

00:33:01.580 Yeah.

00:33:01.720 His,

00:33:02.140 the,

00:33:02.260 the,

00:33:02.480 the rollback of regulations under this president been amazing,

00:33:05.040 amazing,

00:33:05.720 but also it means so much.

00:33:07.740 People don't realize when a company is debating to come to the United States or debating whether to expand,

00:33:13.640 if their economic prediction for the next one to five years is solid,

00:33:19.720 they're way more likely to hire more people and to spend more money on capital and improvements to their,

00:33:25.420 to their company than they were if they thought the market was declining.

00:33:30.640 So,

00:33:31.200 uh,

00:33:31.820 Calvin Coolidge,

00:33:32.800 I think the,

00:33:33.380 the most underrated president of all time,

00:33:36.060 I think he's,

00:33:37.020 I think he's top five.

00:33:38.340 Um,

00:33:40.060 he came in under,

00:33:42.280 he was vice president under,

00:33:43.940 um,

00:33:44.700 uh,

00:33:44.920 Harding,

00:33:45.780 uh,

00:33:46.340 and then president after Harding.

00:33:48.380 And,

00:33:48.940 uh,

00:33:49.680 what they did was they cut taxes.

00:33:52.580 I remember eight years before there was no income tax.

00:33:56.700 And then they said,

00:33:58.220 it'll never be over 7%.

00:34:00.040 And it's only the wealthiest 1%.

00:34:02.500 When they got into office,

00:34:04.020 I think it was 80%.

00:34:05.340 Um,

00:34:07.340 they cut that back down.

00:34:09.700 I don't remember what it was,

00:34:10.860 but it was,

00:34:11.860 I don't think it was single digits,

00:34:13.320 but it was very low.

00:34:14.800 Um,

00:34:15.720 and they cut at the same time.

00:34:17.440 And maybe first they cut spending in half.

00:34:21.700 Two years later,

00:34:22.900 they cut it in half again.

00:34:25.120 That's what caused the roaring twenties. 0.52

00:34:27.540 That's what caused this unleash because they,

00:34:30.900 they were sending the signal.

00:34:32.720 Government's not in control.

00:34:33.980 The government's not going to take your money.

00:34:35.500 The government's not going to regulate you to death.

00:34:37.900 All that progressive stuff is over.

00:34:41.300 Why is there not a conservative voice around Trump that is really saying cut spending?

00:34:51.740 You know,

00:34:53.460 I don't know.

00:34:54.320 And you're right.

00:34:55.420 We,

00:34:55.700 you know,

00:34:55.920 somewhat we,

00:34:57.720 and maybe even I am being hypocritical because when Obama was increasing spending,

00:35:01.600 we,

00:35:01.860 we,

00:35:02.220 you know,

00:35:02.420 we were basically saying it's a ticking time bomb.

00:35:04.740 And now Trump is spending probably at the same rate that Obama was and,

00:35:08.060 and faster,

00:35:08.900 but we have a bigger economy too,

00:35:11.340 Glenn.

00:35:11.580 I mean,

00:35:11.700 if you related to the size of the,

00:35:14.740 of the pool,

00:35:15.660 I'm not sure there's more water going into it.

00:35:18.040 I'll give you that.

00:35:18.940 But maybe it is.

00:35:20.620 We should be in the same token.

00:35:22.380 The liberals who say,

00:35:24.240 um,

00:35:25.020 now saying what a ticking time,

00:35:26.900 Bob,

00:35:27.120 the increase in debt is.

00:35:28.240 I can't take it because you're being consistent.

00:35:30.460 I'm probably not being consistent.

00:35:31.980 I just,

00:35:32.640 I,

00:35:32.820 I'm just have so much hope that,

00:35:34.440 that,

00:35:35.020 and belief that lowering his,

00:35:37.420 his lowering of the taxes and lowering the,

00:35:39.300 the regulatory burdens of companies in America,

00:35:42.100 which were onerous.

00:35:43.520 I mean,

00:35:43.740 there are sometimes you'd have to fill out 700 pages just to grow a tomato.

00:35:47.840 Yeah.

00:35:48.280 I mean,

00:35:48.600 and he's bringing all that down,

00:35:50.140 making it easier to do business in America.

00:35:52.640 Um,

00:35:53.480 I'm kind of hoping,

00:35:54.600 and by probably being hypocritical that that added growth is going to at least turn the

00:35:58.200 spending this,

00:35:59.040 you know,

00:35:59.380 the,

00:35:59.560 the deficit spending into maybe,

00:36:01.540 uh,

00:36:02.620 non-deficit spending.

00:36:04.320 What do you think,

00:36:05.740 um,

00:36:06.680 is the one thing that he hasn't done that he's,

00:36:09.960 he's itching to do?

00:36:12.320 Is there anything big that,

00:36:14.060 I mean,

00:36:14.240 he's done remarkable.

00:36:16.020 Israel alone.

00:36:17.180 Build the wall.

00:36:18.140 I mean,

00:36:18.740 let's,

00:36:19.140 let's be honest.

00:36:19.940 He's had the house,

00:36:20.980 the Senate and the white house,

00:36:22.300 and he's had every opportunity to,

00:36:26.560 to get all he's,

00:36:27.600 all he has to do is,

00:36:28.580 is sign that document when they say we got whatever,

00:36:31.400 $20 billion to start building your wall and he gets it done and he'd start,

00:36:35.920 you know,

00:36:36.100 he'd fulfilled yet another campaign promise.

00:36:38.380 That's what he really wants.

00:36:39.260 I don't think that's going to be earth shattering to the economy.

00:36:42.540 I think the infrastructure plan could be,

00:36:45.080 um,

00:36:46.560 beneficial.

00:36:48.220 Do you think,

00:36:48.920 I don't think the wall is,

00:36:49.760 but he wants it badly.

00:36:50.600 Do you think,

00:36:51.060 do you think we would be at a place where people would be screaming,

00:36:54.760 build a wall?

00:36:56.880 Because it's made to look like that's racist.

00:36:59.440 Do you think we would be screaming,

00:37:01.320 build a wall?

00:37:01.980 If we had a country that consistently enforced the laws that we had that didn't necessarily go after the immigrant,

00:37:12.400 they're here.

00:37:13.480 So the illegal alien comes. 0.99

00:37:15.720 Well,

00:37:16.380 they stay here because we give them jobs. 0.99

00:37:19.220 If the government was going after these companies that were hiring them and just made their eyes bleed with fines and we were arresting people at the border,

00:37:31.400 we were doing what we're supposed to do anyway.

00:37:34.620 Do you think we would have this cry for a wall or is it?

00:37:38.760 Maybe not.

00:37:39.260 Maybe not.

00:37:39.980 But I,

00:37:40.780 cause I look at this as I don't trust you.

00:37:43.400 I don't trust that you're going to do anything in Congress.

00:37:47.200 You don't really care about this.

00:37:48.440 You'll maybe change the law and enforce the law,

00:37:51.140 but what's the next guy going to do?

00:37:52.560 I think the,

00:37:53.400 I think the wall is all about the American people saying I've had enough.

00:37:57.500 I've had enough.

00:37:58.920 It's absolutely symbolic.

00:37:59.920 Right.

00:38:00.080 I want something permanently there.

00:38:01.620 Cause I don't trust you guys will do anything ever.

00:38:04.500 And I'm sure that the wall is the way to stop illegal immigration. 0.92

00:38:08.320 Maybe you're right.

00:38:09.300 Maybe the,

00:38:09.960 the verify system with massive penalties is the way to do it.

00:38:13.840 I have an alternate theory that I get pretty beat up.

00:38:18.440 For saying,

00:38:19.640 and I've been saying the better part of six years now on Fox.

00:38:22.000 And then now on,

00:38:23.360 on America on COTV,

00:38:24.980 I have a immigration plan.

00:38:27.760 That's amazing.

00:38:29.720 I challenge you to tell me what's wrong with this plan.

00:38:32.640 We've pick a number,

00:38:35.360 12,

00:38:35.720 15,

00:38:36.000 how many illegal immigrants in the country right now?

00:38:38.060 I think probably about 20,

00:38:39.180 20 million,

00:38:39.860 even better.

00:38:40.860 20 million illegals here right now.

00:38:42.860 Um,

00:38:43.340 we let in about 950,000 per year,

00:38:46.760 legally legal immigration into the United States.

00:38:49.640 My plan would be build your wall,

00:38:52.760 build your border security along the wall for the 20 million that are here.

00:38:57.500 First of all,

00:38:58.060 I'd increase legal immigration to 2 million,

00:39:00.240 not one for the people who are already here.

00:39:04.320 Don't send them home.

00:39:06.080 Every state has five,

00:39:07.940 six,

00:39:08.360 15 DMVs,

00:39:09.620 right?

00:39:10.180 Motor vehicle locations.

00:39:12.680 Call those embassies,

00:39:14.080 call those free zones where if you're illegal,

00:39:16.180 undocumented,

00:39:16.940 you can go in there and you're not going to get deported.

00:39:19.180 You're going to get signed up.

00:39:20.400 We're going to know who you are and where you are.

00:39:22.000 And if you're,

00:39:22.460 if you're a criminal,

00:39:23.300 you're going home.

00:39:24.960 They'll never show up,

00:39:26.100 but everyone else who the vast majority of those people here aren't criminals can go

00:39:30.320 there,

00:39:30.760 get in line on this 2 million per year instead of 1 million per year,

00:39:34.440 whatever,

00:39:34.860 3 million per year instead of 1 million.

00:39:38.440 And start paying taxes,

00:39:39.860 get out of the shadows and start paying taxes and work your way into citizenship.

00:39:43.140 Now there's no fear of being deported or separated from families.

00:39:48.180 It's kind of both sides kind of have to be okay with that.

00:39:52.200 Nothing both like not all for Republicans,

00:39:54.900 not all for Democrats,

00:39:56.200 kind of a humane way to,

00:39:57.480 and we don't have 20% of the restaurant workers in America being deported or the,

00:40:05.920 you know,

00:40:06.760 the agricultural workers in America being deported because they're illegal.

00:40:10.880 I don't think you,

00:40:12.580 I don't have a problem with that.

00:40:14.260 However,

00:40:15.120 I think the conservatives traditionally don't like this plan at all.

00:40:19.400 Right.

00:40:20.120 And,

00:40:20.400 and I've always had the stance that,

00:40:23.800 look,

00:40:24.000 I'm not giving you anything until you give us a wall.

00:40:27.480 Because I do,

00:40:28.920 I wasn't for a wall 10 years ago,

00:40:31.380 15 years ago.

00:40:32.360 I just wanted you to enforce the laws,

00:40:34.980 but because I don't believe that will ever happen,

00:40:38.540 I need to see something permanently there that shows,

00:40:42.460 okay,

00:40:43.440 we're not going to be just taking in 2 million people that we don't even know who

00:40:47.760 they are.

00:40:48.180 We don't,

00:40:48.640 we don't know who half a million people are that are just coming into our

00:40:51.860 country.

00:40:52.260 Then after you have shown me that's,

00:40:55.820 that's serious,

00:40:56.560 it's done.

00:40:57.420 It's not like,

00:40:58.060 Oh,

00:40:58.160 we're going to do it.

00:40:59.020 It's done.

00:41:00.220 When that's done,

00:41:01.500 then I'm willing to talk to you about any,

00:41:03.700 any logical plan for the people who are already here.

00:41:07.200 I'm willing to make that,

00:41:09.220 but you've got to be a solid city.

00:41:10.380 If you're criminal,

00:41:10.900 you're going home.

00:41:11.460 You are at the end of this line.

00:41:13.720 So the legal immigration requests come in,

00:41:17.700 but,

00:41:17.980 but you,

00:41:18.860 that's how you work your way at least 20 million people into the system.

00:41:22.480 Hey,

00:41:22.940 they're going to pay taxes on the Republic or on the democratic side.

00:41:28.540 I don't think that they actually want to solve this problem.

00:41:32.800 It's easier to call Republicans racist.

00:41:35.260 Yes.

00:41:35.680 Yeah.

00:41:37.060 I mean,

00:41:38.300 I saw a story.

00:41:39.140 The Republicans are now talking that they're going to make the president's

00:41:44.180 tax plan permanent if they're reelected.

00:41:49.260 And I thought to myself,

00:41:50.560 no,

00:41:50.800 you know what?

00:41:51.620 Why didn't you do that in the first place?

00:41:54.040 Because you want that there.

00:41:55.300 When people say we need to have higher in higher wages,

00:41:59.900 we need to make sure that the minimum wage is raised a,

00:42:03.700 that makes no sense economically.

00:42:05.580 And B,

00:42:08.020 if you actually did that,

00:42:10.300 you could solve this once and for all by saying,

00:42:13.120 we're going to do it for cost of living and it will automatically adjust up or

00:42:17.460 down on cost of living.

00:42:19.040 But that makes the Republicans or Democrats or whoever,

00:42:23.300 I don't need you now because cost of living,

00:42:25.680 they're not interested in actually fixing problems.

00:42:28.180 Do you think they are?

00:42:28.680 Oh no,

00:42:29.340 no.

00:42:29.620 And I don't think they're interested in doing much.

00:42:31.560 I think anytime there's an opportunity to be on television,

00:42:34.540 we have a hearing.

00:42:36.040 There's a,

00:42:36.500 there's a topic that's so important that we have to have a Senate hearing and,

00:42:40.000 you know,

00:42:41.260 senators can get up there and do their seven or eight minutes and go home and

00:42:45.500 call our constituents.

00:42:47.060 Say,

00:42:47.160 see,

00:42:47.440 I,

00:42:47.680 I stood up for you.

00:42:50.240 DC's broken.

00:42:51.400 DC's it's a swamp.

00:42:52.940 I live there now three days a week.

00:42:54.900 It's amazing what you see there.

00:42:56.580 There there's elected officials who they're almost primary and only concern is

00:43:02.340 how they're going to get reelected,

00:43:03.460 not what's the good for the country.

00:43:20.300 You said,

00:43:21.440 I read something you said on your program that you believe Trump Republicanism is

00:43:28.640 the future of the Republican party.

00:43:31.040 What does that mean?

00:43:31.560 It better be.

00:43:32.480 What does that mean?

00:43:33.240 It means if it's not,

00:43:35.240 then the Republicans probably won't see another president for a very,

00:43:39.000 very long time.

00:43:39.520 I don't think the Republicans are,

00:43:40.580 I don't think the Republicans are long for this world.

00:43:43.120 Right.

00:43:43.480 But what,

00:43:43.840 what does it mean?

00:43:44.880 But what is Trump Republicanism?

00:43:46.580 Republicanism is,

00:43:47.340 is think of the guy who comes in and immediately shakes the world up in DC.

00:43:53.940 I mean,

00:43:54.160 he,

00:43:54.440 he's,

00:43:55.440 he's getting rid of people,

00:43:57.600 the John McCain's,

00:43:59.000 Jeff Flakes,

00:44:00.380 it's Lindsey Graham's because they're not really,

00:44:04.980 they don't ascribe to the,

00:44:07.600 to the Trump view of what the country should be,

00:44:10.340 which is America first,

00:44:12.480 everyone else second,

00:44:13.540 but not America alone.

00:44:14.320 And just we're first break trade agreements.

00:44:17.060 A free trade agreement is anything but free trade.

00:44:20.080 It's contrived trade.

00:44:24.520 It's,

00:44:24.960 it's non-establishment.

00:44:28.360 I'm not going to say conservatism because I'm not sure how conservative he is.

00:44:31.680 I just think he's not liberal.

00:44:35.480 And I think he's pro,

00:44:37.660 I think he is who he is.

00:44:39.140 Pro business.

00:44:40.000 Yeah.

00:44:40.220 I think he just,

00:44:41.200 I don't think he fits in any box.

00:44:42.740 He's not a conservative.

00:44:43.740 And that's why I would separate Trump Republican from Republican or GOP.

00:44:48.500 Problem is this small establishment group is shrinking and shrinking.

00:44:52.000 Cause we,

00:44:52.560 cause he's,

00:44:53.100 he's,

00:44:53.680 he's,

00:44:54.080 you know,

00:44:55.520 pull the sheet over off their head.

00:44:57.720 And what they really are,

00:44:58.860 are swamp creatures who just want to stay in DC.

00:45:02.500 Anybody who,

00:45:04.880 anybody who's ever seen any movie has always seen somebody who's going to go out and take point.

00:45:11.680 They're going to do something dangerous.

00:45:13.900 And the last thing they say,

00:45:15.760 they turned to everybody else and they say,

00:45:17.680 okay,

00:45:17.900 I'm going to run out in the middle,

00:45:19.940 provide cover.

00:45:21.820 Yeah.

00:45:21.900 So everybody can,

00:45:24.520 everybody's shooting.

00:45:26.220 Um,

00:45:26.660 the Republicans have the greatest cover I've ever seen.

00:45:31.420 This guy has run out and everyone's gun is focused on him.

00:45:37.180 No one is paying attention at all to what is happening in Congress.

00:45:43.020 They're irrelevant.

00:45:44.660 They could pass,

00:45:46.380 you know,

00:45:47.320 it's,

00:45:47.980 we're a country that believes that,

00:45:50.020 that you can only wear pants on Tuesday.

00:45:52.780 And they could actually get it through the house and the Senate because they control both.

00:45:58.220 And nobody in the media would notice because Trump would be providing cover.

00:46:02.500 He would be on,

00:46:03.860 he's providing the greatest cover and they've done nothing with it.

00:46:07.120 Nothing.

00:46:08.700 Covfefe.

00:46:10.480 He tweets Covfe,

00:46:12.800 C O V F E F E.

00:46:14.520 And the media goes crazy for a week on what's going on here.

00:46:19.700 You remember right after he did that,

00:46:21.940 the left and the media and mainstream media is primarily almost a hundred percent left,

00:46:26.160 but they were,

00:46:26.780 they were concerned about the mental health of the president.

00:46:29.480 They were worried that he was losing it.

00:46:31.480 What's this Covfe mean?

00:46:32.740 Brilliantly.

00:46:33.340 He didn't even,

00:46:34.040 he didn't even explain what that was.

00:46:35.860 He just let that,

00:46:36.820 let that live.

00:46:37.820 In the meantime,

00:46:38.720 he brings a bicameral bipartisan group to the,

00:46:43.080 to the white house,

00:46:43.980 to the oval office to have a discussion about immigration.

00:46:47.480 You remember this?

00:46:48.040 He had,

00:46:48.300 he had Senate and Congress Republicans and Democrats.

00:46:51.440 It was the most brilliant hour of politics on television I've ever seen.

00:46:57.200 He brought to the American people,

00:46:58.740 what's really going on in the immigration debate.

00:47:02.800 15,

00:47:03.440 20 members of Congress and Senate in there.

00:47:05.740 That was phenomenal.

00:47:06.960 And he moderated that with precision.

00:47:09.800 He wasn't losing his mind.

00:47:11.340 Everyone thinks he's going crazy or the left will tell you,

00:47:13.740 he's,

00:47:14.040 he's,

00:47:14.380 we have a,

00:47:14.860 we have a president who's losing his facilities.

00:47:18.500 He's brilliant at what he's doing.

00:47:20.820 He's providing the shiny object over here and signing off regulation of reducing regulations over there.

00:47:27.440 Taxes coming down over here.

00:47:28.700 He's going to get his wall too.

00:47:31.180 He's going to fulfill that one too.

00:47:33.200 But he's not,

00:47:34.160 he has nobody.

00:47:35.600 Why should we elect another Republican at all?

00:47:40.240 Ever.

00:47:41.100 Ever.

00:47:41.900 We shouldn't.

00:47:43.180 Unless they're in,

00:47:44.180 in the same mode realm as,

00:47:47.400 as,

00:47:47.640 as Trumpism.

00:47:49.460 It's working.

00:47:52.580 Glenn,

00:47:53.020 Glenn,

00:47:53.120 I'm not sick of winning it.

00:47:54.640 I'm not sick of winning either.

00:47:56.880 I,

00:47:57.300 I want to talk to you though about the,

00:48:00.900 do you see any downside to Donald Trump?

00:48:06.320 I talked to him and it's,

00:48:08.580 it's,

00:48:08.980 no,

00:48:09.140 take your person out.

00:48:10.140 No,

00:48:10.280 but okay.

00:48:11.060 Take,

00:48:11.240 take you personally out.

00:48:12.580 We can go to that in a minute.

00:48:13.220 So,

00:48:13.460 okay.

00:48:13.640 So I'll take myself out and I'd say raising,

00:48:16.160 raising tariffs and fees on imports is a dangerous concept,

00:48:19.260 but as long as you're doing what you say you're doing,

00:48:22.200 we're only doing it until they lower theirs and we'll lower ours at the

00:48:25.640 same time.

00:48:26.280 I think you can eliminate that as risk.

00:48:28.840 The question is how bad does it get before?

00:48:31.660 Did you think he knows that?

00:48:33.340 I do.

00:48:34.020 I think he's just,

00:48:34.940 he's always wanted tariffs.

00:48:36.000 He believes,

00:48:36.780 he believes in tariffs.

00:48:38.360 Monetarily.

00:48:38.900 I'm not sure he knows.

00:48:40.160 I think he knows how to win a,

00:48:42.640 a fight.

00:48:44.620 Right.

00:48:45.160 For example,

00:48:46.200 China,

00:48:46.700 his biggest trade fight right now is with China bar none,

00:48:49.660 right?

00:48:50.140 Stakes are getting higher and higher and higher,

00:48:51.960 but he knows China's economy is,

00:48:54.560 is weakening.

00:48:55.820 China's economy is becoming dangerous to them.

00:48:59.500 Yes.

00:49:00.000 What they have to relent before he does.

00:49:02.540 Right.

00:49:02.840 We're ripping their,

00:49:04.200 they're struggling.

00:49:05.600 He knows weakness.

00:49:06.860 He knows everyone's Achilles.

00:49:08.920 I'll tell you a story.

00:49:09.640 Uh,

00:49:10.240 it was before the first debate with the member of the Meg and Kelly debate

00:49:14.660 where he got into it with Megan.

00:49:16.020 It was,

00:49:16.340 it was really crazy,

00:49:17.260 but that was in August of 2016,

00:49:22.260 16.

00:49:23.920 I had him on my show before that and we're talking and he says something and

00:49:30.120 he said,

00:49:30.600 you know,

00:49:31.140 blah,

00:49:31.300 blah,

00:49:31.440 blah.

00:49:31.840 It's energy.

00:49:32.560 This energy.

00:49:33.100 Well,

00:49:33.400 low energy Jeb.

00:49:34.460 And I was like,

00:49:37.080 what?

00:49:38.480 He goes,

00:49:38.820 you know,

00:49:39.060 low energy Jeb.

00:49:39.900 And I had no idea.

00:49:40.680 He'd never said it before.

00:49:42.120 He'd never nicknamed anyone.

00:49:43.660 I couldn't figure out what was going on.

00:49:45.080 And I,

00:49:45.340 I literally on air,

00:49:46.460 I go,

00:49:46.880 what are you talking about?

00:49:47.980 So,

00:49:48.460 you know,

00:49:48.820 low energy Jeb.

00:49:49.740 I'm like,

00:49:49.880 okay.

00:49:50.340 We finished the interview and I'm like,

00:49:52.200 what was that?

00:49:53.100 And sure enough,

00:49:55.080 low energy Jeb.

00:49:56.940 Sorry.

00:49:57.660 Lion Ted.

00:49:58.560 No.

00:49:58.740 Hillary was Hillary's crooked Hillary. 1.00

00:50:02.720 These names were these people's Achilles and he would go right at them and smack their

00:50:07.720 Achilles with a,

00:50:08.460 with a machete.

00:50:09.960 Yeah.

00:50:10.680 And so he knows that.

00:50:11.680 So for China,

00:50:12.740 raising tariffs on Chinese imports,

00:50:14.920 the U S right now is smacking their Achilles with the,

00:50:18.500 with the machete.

00:50:19.300 They are going to have to relent.

00:50:21.440 He's,

00:50:22.100 he,

00:50:22.280 he sees that he sees people's weakness.

00:50:24.200 I think he's either.

00:50:28.740 if he,

00:50:31.440 if he's doing this with trade,

00:50:33.100 he's brilliant.

00:50:34.900 If he actually knows where the breaking point is and is watching the numbers,

00:50:41.000 I mean,

00:50:41.180 he's playing a dangerous game,

00:50:43.320 but God bless him.

00:50:44.540 And if he's renegotiating all these things and he's playing this,

00:50:48.120 I mean,

00:50:48.360 the one thing I like about Donald Trump,

00:50:50.180 and I've liked this forever,

00:50:51.340 you know,

00:50:52.140 when they were,

00:50:52.660 when they were struggling for 10 years to build the world trade center,

00:50:55.640 I was like,

00:50:56.000 I don't care if the top 10 floors just say,

00:50:58.740 Trump let the man do it.

00:51:00.600 Cause he gets it done.

00:51:01.520 Don't ask any questions how he gets it done,

00:51:03.340 but he gets it done.

00:51:05.200 The best Trump story I've ever heard was when he wanted to build Trump tower in New York.

00:51:11.600 A lot of people don't know this.

00:51:12.520 They sell the airspace,

00:51:13.760 the empty space above buildings.

00:51:17.000 Do you know this story?

00:51:17.780 I don't.

00:51:18.660 So this is Trump tower.

00:51:20.260 Trump tower.

00:51:20.640 Okay.

00:51:20.960 Okay.

00:51:21.440 On fifth Avenue.

00:51:23.040 Well,

00:51:23.540 he didn't own the airspace.

00:51:24.820 He bought the building,

00:51:25.580 but he didn't own anything over like five floors or something like that.

00:51:29.560 10,

00:51:29.920 maximum 10.

00:51:32.580 Tiffany owned the airspace.

00:51:35.000 Okay.

00:51:35.280 And you can imagine Donald Trump comes into Tiffany and well,

00:51:39.200 we're Tiffany's.

00:51:40.680 And Tiffany says,

00:51:42.200 uh,

00:51:42.900 no,

00:51:43.340 we don't want any big buildings in our area.

00:51:46.060 And he said,

00:51:46.580 that's great.

00:51:48.060 What he hadn't told anyone except his architect was I have two plans.

00:51:55.660 I have Trump tower,

00:51:56.840 which is this new glass building and very,

00:51:59.620 you know,

00:51:59.940 tasteful and nice,

00:52:00.820 but I also have another set of plans.

00:52:03.240 And he had gone to his architect and said,

00:52:05.260 I want you to build.

00:52:06.860 I want you to draw out the ugliest 10 story building you can possibly imagine.

00:52:13.320 And he went to Tiffany with that twitchy eye.

00:52:17.220 He has the damn guy may be crazy.

00:52:19.640 And he rolled out and said,

00:52:20.940 that's fine.

00:52:21.380 You don't sell me the airspace.

00:52:22.660 I own the building.

00:52:23.720 And this is what I'm going to build.

00:52:26.320 By the time he got back to his office,

00:52:29.520 they had called to say,

00:52:31.720 okay,

00:52:32.240 we'll sell you the airspace because they thought he was crazy enough to do it.

00:52:36.800 Whether or not he would have done it.

00:52:38.700 I don't know.

00:52:39.520 But if he's playing that game with trade,

00:52:43.320 and he can win.

00:52:46.100 Brilliant.

00:52:47.320 Absolutely brilliant.

00:52:48.400 He plays that game with everything,

00:52:49.540 Glenn.

00:52:49.920 He played,

00:52:50.400 he's playing the same,

00:52:51.420 same game with,

00:52:53.780 I shouldn't say game,

00:52:55.320 same strategy with national security.

00:52:57.880 I have people calling me.

00:52:59.740 I did interviews for the BBC,

00:53:02.300 Norwegian television,

00:53:04.380 Canadian television.

00:53:05.780 Today I'm doing Chinese television after this.

00:53:08.440 They're,

00:53:08.860 they want to know what's going on with Trump.

00:53:11.200 They can't figure him out.

00:53:12.720 He's got the rest of the world on their heels.

00:53:15.440 They're worried.

00:53:16.840 Is he going to do it?

00:53:17.780 Or isn't he?

00:53:19.180 Well,

00:53:19.420 guess what?

00:53:19.840 That's pretty darn good for the first time for the last 20 years.

00:53:24.220 They're not going to do anything.

00:53:25.460 I want our allies to be pretty sure.

00:53:27.820 I want him to put his arm around our allies and say,

00:53:30.720 don't worry.

00:53:31.160 I got this.

00:53:31.840 And,

00:53:33.320 and,

00:53:33.400 and,

00:53:33.840 and,

00:53:34.280 you know,

00:53:34.540 they keep them a little off,

00:53:36.040 you know,

00:53:36.440 off the edge,

00:53:37.460 but I want to make sure our allies.

00:53:39.220 Who are our allies?

00:53:40.440 Please explain this to me.

00:53:42.020 I think our,

00:53:43.400 our allies.

00:53:44.620 are the Brexit people in England.

00:53:52.980 But England has always been there for us.

00:53:55.640 I think our ally is Canada.

00:53:58.640 You know,

00:53:59.500 I think our ally,

00:54:00.920 Germany to some extent.

00:54:03.640 These are people we're,

00:54:04.740 we're,

00:54:05.240 we're now breaking multilateral deals with to,

00:54:08.740 to deal bilaterally with,

00:54:11.560 which are,

00:54:12.360 which is better for,

00:54:13.280 for the country.

00:54:14.160 No,

00:54:14.260 no,

00:54:14.380 no.

00:54:14.540 I want you to know clear.

00:54:15.640 I have no problem with the deals,

00:54:17.960 the trade deals.

00:54:18.960 you're separating the finance from the security.

00:54:21.540 And my point is Trump is putting these all together.

00:54:24.140 I'll get a better financial deal.

00:54:25.760 If I'm working out a security deal with them.

00:54:28.380 I had no problem with him going to Germany and having breakfast and saying,

00:54:32.300 so what's up with this?

00:54:34.380 I mean,

00:54:34.700 it was so crazy,

00:54:35.980 but it worked and I had no problem.

00:54:39.900 We should not be footing the bill for these places.

00:54:43.140 We,

00:54:43.600 you know,

00:54:43.800 we'll pay our share,

00:54:44.940 but Montenegro,

00:54:45.740 we're going to,

00:54:46.500 we're going to protect Montenegro and NATO.

00:54:49.340 Does that make any sense in the world at all?

00:54:52.080 But Congress says it's a good idea.

00:54:53.820 Why?

00:54:55.280 Who's got a deal?

00:54:56.200 Who went to Montenegro on a code L and got a free month there?

00:55:00.440 Which Senator got that?

00:55:02.300 Break them all.

00:55:03.760 Break,

00:55:04.040 get rid of NATO.

00:55:05.600 You want to do,

00:55:06.160 we want us to protect you,

00:55:07.220 Germany.

00:55:07.600 We will.

00:55:10.420 What's the deal?

00:55:11.680 What's it,

00:55:12.020 what's it in for us?

00:55:14.240 I'm trying to think of the,

00:55:16.180 um,

00:55:17.440 what the best use of our time is here.

00:55:20.480 Um,

00:55:20.840 let me go here.

00:55:22.920 He talks an awful lot about,

00:55:26.200 you know,

00:55:28.220 uh,

00:55:28.940 maybe we should,

00:55:30.600 uh,

00:55:31.360 maybe we should,

00:55:32.220 you know,

00:55:33.800 look into these Facebook things and maybe,

00:55:36.380 you know,

00:55:36.720 it's a,

00:55:38.200 I don't think I've ever heard him say,

00:55:40.080 make them,

00:55:40.820 uh,

00:55:41.120 a utility,

00:55:41.920 but he has danced around the ideas of freedom of speech,

00:55:46.800 of checking people's license,

00:55:48.560 et cetera,

00:55:48.940 et cetera.

00:55:49.640 Those are all bad ideas.

00:55:51.540 You know,

00:55:51.980 I,

00:55:52.220 I am,

00:55:53.280 you and I are the first ones to go when it comes to Facebook,

00:55:57.780 Google,

00:55:58.220 YouTube.

00:55:58.560 I mean,

00:55:59.140 we are on the front line where we practically have the blindfold and the

00:56:03.480 cigarette in our mouth.

00:56:04.500 So I say this,

00:56:06.400 you know,

00:56:06.980 as somebody who's on the front line,

00:56:08.700 but I don't want to violate freedom of speech.

00:56:13.400 Does he understand when he says the press is the enemy?

00:56:17.940 Does he know?

00:56:18.840 Oh,

00:56:18.940 okay.

00:56:19.520 This is very interesting.

00:56:21.180 Okay.

00:56:21.940 The press is the enemy is again,

00:56:25.100 a strategy,

00:56:26.200 right?

00:56:26.540 I mean,

00:56:26.940 the,

00:56:27.220 the,

00:56:27.580 the only people with as low of an approval rating as Congress are,

00:56:35.100 are the media,

00:56:35.860 right?

00:56:36.280 So somewhere in nine,

00:56:37.600 nine percent approval rating.

00:56:39.020 It's brilliant.

00:56:40.140 Make the media,

00:56:40.920 the enemy.

00:56:41.660 Why not?

00:56:42.460 They're look at them.

00:56:43.300 Look at those.

00:56:43.780 Those are,

00:56:44.420 look at the liars. 1.00

00:56:45.120 Look at them all fake news.

00:56:46.760 It's a great strategy.

00:56:48.380 That makes,

00:56:49.060 that gets people,

00:56:50.480 your base united behind you.

00:56:52.060 What's your message?

00:56:52.840 If you're,

00:56:53.240 if you're going for that,

00:56:55.200 you're right.

00:56:56.380 Well,

00:56:56.580 what do you think he's going for?

00:56:57.880 I mean,

00:56:58.120 what else?

00:56:58.560 Well,

00:56:58.680 no,

00:56:58.860 I think that's what he's doing.

00:56:59.920 But will,

00:57:01.420 will you at least acknowledge that we have to make sure at the same time,

00:57:10.900 you could say fake news.

00:57:12.480 These guys are lying all the time,

00:57:14.460 yada,

00:57:14.720 yada,

00:57:14.980 yada.

00:57:15.240 but a free press.

00:57:18.800 They had a right to do it.

00:57:20.160 They got a right to do it.

00:57:21.920 That's not,

00:57:23.080 you know,

00:57:23.480 people aren't even reading the constitution or the bill of rights.

00:57:26.740 Somebody has to stand up for the bill of rights.

00:57:29.300 It does.

00:57:30.480 It does.

00:57:30.920 Is there any concern that he says things that people will go?

00:57:34.980 Yeah,

00:57:35.240 that's right.

00:57:35.920 Let's,

00:57:36.740 let's lock those people up or whatever it is.

00:57:40.360 I don't know.

00:57:42.040 And I've never had this conversation with him,

00:57:44.000 but I I'm,

00:57:44.940 I'm,

00:57:45.460 I'm speculating that if you can go ahead and say some of the things he said

00:57:50.920 about the press and,

00:57:52.220 and I don't know,

00:57:54.220 putting,

00:57:54.720 putting guardrails on the press,

00:57:55.960 everyone from libertarians,

00:57:58.060 especially the liberal press is going to go crazy,

00:58:00.740 right?

00:58:01.120 How can you dare do that?

00:58:02.600 That's,

00:58:02.960 that's a danger to the Republic.

00:58:04.800 But he gets everyone's attention.

00:58:07.020 You want to talk about the shiny object,

00:58:09.120 but if we were,

00:58:10.260 we were,

00:58:11.140 let me take you back in the time tunnel.

00:58:13.920 Yeah.

00:58:14.080 When we were at Fox,

00:58:15.300 Obama would say anything about Fox and we'd be like,

00:58:19.260 they're coming after us.

00:58:20.640 He's coming after us.

00:58:22.080 Yeah,

00:58:22.180 but we didn't do anything about it.

00:58:24.200 We didn't.

00:58:25.260 Oh,

00:58:26.840 well,

00:58:27.060 I spoke out about it.

00:58:28.120 We spoke.

00:58:28.440 Yeah.

00:58:28.680 And they speak out too.

00:58:29.720 Yeah.

00:58:30.040 My point is that that's not,

00:58:31.840 this doesn't seem like a big danger to me.

00:58:33.760 If Donald Trump says they're awful,

00:58:36.480 they should go away.

00:58:38.380 Because you're thinking that this media group is awful.

00:58:40.100 They should go away.

00:58:41.360 Because you think it's just,

00:58:42.140 it's just not going to happen.

00:58:43.160 It's protected.

00:58:44.140 It's constitutionally protected.

00:58:46.060 Free speech.

00:58:49.400 I think he's,

00:58:50.420 he's,

00:58:50.640 he knows how to,

00:58:51.340 he knows how to push buttons.

00:58:53.360 He knows how to rattle cages.

00:58:54.620 Yeah.

00:58:54.960 He does.

00:58:56.380 What did it,

00:58:56.980 you know,

00:58:57.360 that the phrase he's living rent free in every single editorial department of every single media entity in the country.

00:59:05.880 He is the most brilliant PR guy ever.

00:59:12.500 If you are PT Barnum and you think any press is good press,

00:59:15.440 he has them,

00:59:17.680 he is controlling the press and they're,

00:59:20.620 they're gladly giving it to him.

00:59:22.980 They can't help themselves.

00:59:24.240 I know.

00:59:24.640 It's like your,

00:59:25.400 your mom would say,

00:59:26.220 well,

00:59:26.840 that bully is picking on just ignore him.

00:59:30.000 Right.

00:59:30.300 They can't just ignore Trump.

00:59:32.160 They just can't.

00:59:33.160 And if they did,

00:59:34.240 he'd probably stop doing it.

00:59:36.060 It's like,

00:59:36.760 you know,

00:59:37.080 the,

00:59:37.380 the,

00:59:37.760 the,

00:59:38.040 the kid who's constantly teasing the girl cause he's attracted to her.

00:59:41.420 They,

00:59:41.600 they,

00:59:41.840 they love it by the way.

00:59:43.900 It's good business for them too.

00:59:45.900 The media pie has lost them,

00:59:48.660 blossomed under Donald Trump.

00:59:50.220 Everyone's doing better.

00:59:51.620 Ratings are up across the board,

00:59:53.100 left and right.

01:00:03.160 What's next for you?

01:00:18.120 You're at CRTV.

01:00:19.960 CRTV.

01:00:21.180 I'm there for a while.

01:00:22.020 It's having a lot of fun.

01:00:23.320 No,

01:00:23.480 no,

01:00:23.540 no.

01:00:23.620 I'm not saying that you're going to leave there.

01:00:24.980 I mean,

01:00:25.160 but,

01:00:25.300 but what's,

01:00:26.140 what is,

01:00:26.560 what is driving you besides opioids?

01:00:29.660 So I've been doing a lot of that speaking on the,

01:00:34.160 I have a NASCAR collaboration.

01:00:36.340 A team with NASCAR is putting opioid messaging on their car and they're going around,

01:00:40.200 you know,

01:00:41.200 an oval every Sunday with opioid messaging on it.

01:00:45.040 I love that because they're great people doing the CRTV thing.

01:00:49.060 And,

01:00:49.160 and eventually I'll get back on cable news when it's time.

01:00:53.740 Cable news is over.

01:00:55.400 I think,

01:00:56.020 I think,

01:00:56.980 I think there's a exodus from cable news to,

01:00:59.800 to,

01:01:00.040 to digital platforms and podcasts.

01:01:02.220 Absolutely.

01:01:03.540 One last question.

01:01:05.200 Tell me the moment that you thought,

01:01:09.980 this is fricking crazy,

01:01:12.440 man.

01:01:13.880 I'm,

01:01:14.240 I'm,

01:01:14.540 I'm just,

01:01:15.060 Eric is on the phone.

01:01:18.820 The president.

01:01:19.760 Tell me,

01:01:20.740 tell me the,

01:01:22.340 I'll give you the exact moment.

01:01:23.460 Um,

01:01:24.600 my wife and I had just,

01:01:25.700 we were coming home from a Thai dinner.

01:01:27.280 It's about 1030 at night is after he was elected,

01:01:29.600 before he was sworn in random Tuesday or Wednesday night.

01:01:33.380 It's about 10 o'clock at night.

01:01:34.580 I'm driving.

01:01:35.120 She's driving and the phone rings and it's a block.

01:01:38.160 There's,

01:01:38.480 it's like the weird,

01:01:39.620 like a star and a number two or something.

01:01:41.660 And I answer it and it's him.

01:01:45.400 Donald.

01:01:45.700 He's like,

01:01:46.340 Eric,

01:01:47.000 Donald Trump.

01:01:48.140 I'm like,

01:01:48.720 Oh my God.

01:01:49.220 I go,

01:01:49.460 Mr.

01:01:49.640 President,

01:01:49.940 I'm putting you on speaker.

01:01:51.040 So I put it on speaker.

01:01:51.860 My wife's driving. 1.00

01:01:52.640 She's like,

01:01:53.160 really?

01:01:53.600 We're just driving.

01:01:54.740 I just want to let you know you're a good guy.

01:01:57.580 You've been there from the very beginning.

01:01:59.660 The guy is so loyal.

01:02:01.140 And then since then I've had regular conversations with him.

01:02:05.200 And he knows like he,

01:02:07.880 I wouldn't ever do something to undermine him.

01:02:12.400 I've certainly would like to give him more and more advice.

01:02:16.920 But you know,

01:02:17.760 he's got a lot of people doing that too.

01:02:19.220 Last question because of undermining any doubt in your mind.

01:02:23.360 I'm glad that there is adults in the room.

01:02:25.120 I know some of the adults in the room that disagree with some of his policies

01:02:29.200 and they are there to advise him and to say,

01:02:32.200 Mr.

01:02:32.760 President,

01:02:33.280 how about this?

01:02:34.940 There is a difference.

01:02:35.820 I'm not sure there are that many of those,

01:02:37.220 by the way.

01:02:38.340 There may be,

01:02:39.240 you know,

01:02:39.820 less than a handful of those.

01:02:41.300 But there,

01:02:41.800 but there are people who have experience and are advising him and people I

01:02:47.080 would trust.

01:02:48.260 And the American people would trust.

01:02:49.960 They think they're good,

01:02:50.680 solid people.

01:02:52.220 And that's fine.

01:02:54.160 Where I draw the line is when somebody is there and they don't agree,

01:02:59.200 they're taking stuff off of his desk.

01:03:01.460 They're in a cabal.

01:03:02.860 That's terrible.

01:03:04.700 That's terrible.

01:03:05.820 How,

01:03:06.540 how is the president dealing with that internally?

01:03:09.500 Because if it were me,

01:03:11.400 I don't know who I would trust.

01:03:13.840 I mean,

01:03:14.100 I would,

01:03:14.760 my level of trust,

01:03:16.340 my circle of trust would be very small.

01:03:18.660 That's dangerous.

01:03:20.320 This op-ed,

01:03:21.380 I think,

01:03:22.080 was dangerous.

01:03:23.680 Dangerous to everyone.

01:03:24.640 Dangerous to,

01:03:25.340 to his well-being.

01:03:27.240 Dangerous to the Republic.

01:03:28.500 Dangerous on many levels.

01:03:29.500 And there's,

01:03:30.800 but fortunately there's a gentleman you and I both know probably pretty well

01:03:34.120 who came along recently,

01:03:35.800 who I've been thrilled.

01:03:38.140 He's there.

01:03:38.460 Bill Shine.

01:03:39.380 I'm thrilled.

01:03:40.420 He's the guy that goes directly to the president,

01:03:43.100 not through general Kelly,

01:03:45.520 right?

01:03:45.840 To the man's office when he wants to.

01:03:47.960 I think Shine is the guy to,

01:03:49.540 to kind of clean all of that up.

01:03:52.000 He'll focus the message.

01:03:53.400 Also really find out where some of the bad stuff that's been going on.

01:03:57.400 He worked with a guy in many ways,

01:04:00.240 very similar.

01:04:01.040 Very similar.

01:04:01.820 Very similar.

01:04:02.560 Roger Ailes,

01:04:03.320 you could,

01:04:03.880 I mean,

01:04:04.020 that guy was brilliant.

01:04:05.300 You know,

01:04:05.660 I've given a ton of interviews on Bill Shine because my friendship with him.

01:04:11.960 I've always said,

01:04:12.960 he's the guy that's able to somehow tell you no,

01:04:17.300 when you're sure it's going to be yes,

01:04:18.860 but it has to be no.

01:04:20.000 And you don't feel really bad about it.

01:04:21.580 And I think that's what Donald Trump needs.

01:04:23.660 He needs,

01:04:24.360 he needs the conscience,

01:04:25.360 the voice that's not angrily yelling at him.

01:04:28.540 That just kind of nudges him in the right way.

01:04:30.340 I think,

01:04:30.600 I think Shine's the right guy for that job.

01:04:32.880 I think Shine should be chief of staff.

01:04:36.220 Next.

01:04:36.720 Well,

01:04:37.000 I hear Kelly's on his way out.

01:04:39.520 Well,

01:04:39.800 we know a good guy.

01:04:40.640 Oh,

01:04:40.740 you've heard that for a while.

01:04:42.360 I think I've heard that since the first day he was in,

01:04:44.500 but he might be.

01:04:45.420 Yeah.

01:04:46.400 Eric,

01:04:46.720 thank you.

01:04:47.160 Thank you,

01:04:47.500 Glenn.

01:04:47.800 Always good to see you,

01:04:48.560 my friend.

01:04:51.580 Just a reminder,

01:04:56.120 I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:05:01.940 We'll see you next week.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 13, 2018

Ep 6 ｜ Eric Bolling ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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