The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 64 ｜ The Greatest Mission Statement on Earth ｜ Charlie Kirk ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:02:06.880 You know, I think one of the biggest lies today is the rap that is given to, you know, 15 to 30-year-olds.

00:02:34.980 They're all called lazy, self-centered, participation trophy generation.

00:02:39.360 Gosh, we're all going to be destroyed when they finally take over.

00:02:42.740 But I don't think that's true. 0.52

00:02:44.000 I mean, I think there are those dirtbags. 0.82

00:02:46.000 But that's not the majority, at least the ones I've met.

00:02:49.200 And today's guest gives me real hope that I'm right on this.

00:02:53.300 He saw a problem, and he didn't wait around for someone else to fix it.

00:02:57.200 Instead, he inspired high school and college students across the nation to be the voice of freedom.

00:03:02.820 He's a guy who, when he was a kid, watched my show on television, and by the time he's in high school and then in college, he wants to change the world.

00:03:13.960 He's somebody who President Trump has called a great warrior and is no stranger to leftist criticism.

00:03:20.100 He's been called every name in the book for daring to support free speech on college campuses while questioning affirmative action and white privilege.

00:03:27.560 He is the founder of an organization that was nowhere, didn't even exist just a few years ago.

00:03:33.180 It's Turning Point USA.

00:03:35.160 It is the largest, most impressive, and fastest growth youth movement in the country.

00:03:41.960 Chapters at over 1,500 schools in America.

00:03:45.880 It's also worldwide now.

00:03:48.100 Recently, I was invited to speak at their 5th Annual Student Action Summit, and what I saw amazed me.

00:03:54.080 Over 5,000 students attending on their own dime from all across the country and fired up about the truth of America.

00:04:02.120 But before I took the stage, my guest and I had an opportunity to sit down, and we shared what we've gotten wrong, what our country must get right,

00:04:10.640 and the amazing things that happen when people work together and do it.

00:04:14.980 On this episode of the Glenn Beck Podcast, Backstage with Charlie Kirk.

00:04:24.080 So, Glenn, it's so great to be sitting down here, and it's an honor to be able to speak with you.

00:04:37.620 Yeah, likewise. Thank you so much.

00:04:39.340 I grew up listening to you and watching your show with the blackboard.

00:04:44.180 Thank you very much.

00:04:45.580 It was more instructive than you could have ever imagined.

00:04:48.360 Wow. That is meaningful.

00:04:50.120 And you've been right about everything that you predicted.

00:04:52.520 Not everything. Wrong about Donald Trump.

00:04:55.320 Well, I was talking more back in 2012 or 2013, but it's really refreshing to hear people be able to say,

00:05:02.680 no, I was wrong about something. I've been wrong about stuff.

00:05:04.660 I endorsed Cruz, and I was behind him.

00:05:08.020 I think Trump surprised all of us.

00:05:10.460 Yeah.

00:05:10.820 You know, I haven't really even talked about this on the air.

00:05:15.780 I think I maybe have obliquely referenced it recently, but it must have been about six months ago.

00:05:27.480 The president called me, and we haven't spoken since before the election.

00:05:31.780 Wow.

00:05:32.160 And we always had a friendly relationship, you know, and he, if I were traveling, I would stay at Mar-a-Lago and he'd be someplace else.

00:05:42.020 But we haven't spoken to each other since the election.

00:05:44.880 And he called me up, and I'll never forget my Scottish assistant, who was part of the Royal Marines.

00:05:53.340 He comes in while we're shooting a show, and he's off stage, and he's like, the president wants to talk to you.

00:06:03.080 And I said, cut. Stop for a second.

00:06:05.480 What?

00:06:06.200 He said, the president is on the phone.

00:06:07.960 And I said, the president of what?

00:06:11.380 Some university or Bolivia.

00:06:14.320 Yeah, he's the president of Costco.

00:06:16.220 Why are you interrupting?

00:06:18.400 And he said, of your country?

00:06:21.860 Wow. 1.00

00:06:22.140 And I said, oh, crap. 0.99

00:06:25.820 And I didn't even know what to do. 0.90

00:06:27.240 And I strangely said, can you ask him if I can call him back?

00:06:32.240 I'm in the middle of shooting a show. 1.00

00:06:34.360 What a stupid thing to say. 1.00

00:06:35.680 And so he said, okay. 1.00

00:06:38.620 We finished up the show.

00:06:39.920 I called him back about 30 minutes later.

00:06:42.360 And we talked for about a half an hour.

00:06:46.640 Wow.

00:06:46.980 And it was a really – I wish more people knew him and could hear him like that.

00:06:59.480 Because he started in and he said, you know, I want to thank you for, you know, saying some nice things about me.

00:07:10.940 And he thought I was taking this a different direction.

00:07:14.360 And I said, well, I don't know if you know this, but during, you know, the last election – and he cut me off and he said, oh, no, I'm very aware of that.

00:07:22.540 And I said, no, no, no, not that.

00:07:24.480 I'm clear you were aware of that.

00:07:27.060 I said what I said was I want to be wrong.

00:07:31.820 I don't think I am.

00:07:33.800 Yeah.

00:07:34.200 But I want to be wrong.

00:07:35.660 And I'm going to judge him.

00:07:37.980 I'm having to judge him on what I think he's going to do.

00:07:41.700 Wow.

00:07:42.040 Now, once he's the president, I get to judge him for what he is doing.

00:07:47.880 And I said, so there was never any doubt, in my mind at least, that if you did the things that you said you were going to do, I'd be a supporter.

00:07:57.220 I just didn't think you'd do them.

00:07:59.440 And, you know, we talked about Israel.

00:08:02.660 We talked about trade.

00:08:03.920 And I said I strongly disagree.

00:08:06.320 I bet we spent 15 minutes just on trade.

00:08:08.780 Wow.

00:08:09.400 And he did not shy away.

00:08:11.300 He didn't tell me what I wanted to hear.

00:08:14.280 We had a real, frank, honest conversation, which you don't have usually with a politician.

00:08:21.700 Yes.

00:08:22.260 And I think that's what people like about him.

00:08:24.820 Yes.

00:08:26.440 Is that he really will tell you what he's thinking.

00:08:30.680 Totally.

00:08:31.200 What the problem is sometimes, and yet the blessing, is he is just P.T. Barnum.

00:08:36.500 Well, and I'll tell you, you're a great example that shows the success of his presidency from a conservative worldview, which is there's more people supporting him that are saying, you know what?

00:08:50.980 I was hoping he'd succeed, and he has.

00:08:53.780 And he has been able to deliver results.

00:08:55.860 What's interesting is at the time we're recording this, it's just, what, day after the impeachment.

00:09:05.160 And last night, the president had a rally up in Michigan.

00:09:11.540 17% of those who attended were Democrats.

00:09:15.360 Yes, that's right.

00:09:16.080 And I think there's a lot of people who, you know, I heard Ben Shapiro say the other day, it's whether you think the president is a killer or a coroner.

00:09:29.480 Wow.

00:09:30.200 These things, the press and everything else, they've been dead for a long time.

00:09:34.120 Yes.

00:09:34.220 Now he's standing over the body saying they're dead.

00:09:37.560 Mm-hmm.

00:09:38.120 And the press now and everybody else is saying, look, he killed the press.

00:09:42.560 No, he didn't.

00:09:43.220 Wow.

00:09:43.340 They killed themselves a long time ago.

00:09:46.080 So is he a coroner or is he the killer?

00:09:50.520 Wow.

00:09:50.940 Half the country, 40%, are convinced that he's the killer.

00:09:56.320 The other half recognize this stuff has been rotted for a long, long time.

00:10:02.920 Yes.

00:10:03.520 Well, and Glenn, you and I both share the belief that America is exceptional.

00:10:06.940 And I felt that before Donald Trump, and I would make the argument, most Republicans who are running for the presidency would not have done what President Trump has done.

00:10:14.980 Especially the international TPP, Iran deal, renegotiating NAFTA.

00:10:22.060 Those are almost untouchable for both parties.

00:10:24.020 You can't go there.

00:10:25.500 But it felt as if there was a management of the decline of America.

00:10:28.560 And you led the Tea Party movement in 2011.

00:10:32.460 Those are my words, not yours.

00:10:33.600 Okay.

00:10:34.040 So 2010, 2011, you were a big part of it, and you were a very vocal piece of it.

00:10:40.820 And President Trump, in a lot of different ways, has led the revitalization, has given a lot of Americans hope that they thought that this country could not be turned around.

00:10:51.200 You know what's really strange?

00:10:52.220 He has the same thing that Tulsi Gabbard has.

00:10:56.300 And they don't agree on anything.

00:10:58.280 Basically anything.

00:10:58.940 You know what I mean?

00:11:00.100 But Tulsi is a – she's so far out of the mainstream. 1.00

00:11:06.040 And she is so far left.

00:11:08.080 But at no time do I believe she hates America.

00:11:11.740 I believe she loves America.

00:11:12.780 We just disagree.

00:11:14.160 Yes.

00:11:14.420 And what used to bring us together is that we can disagree, but we have a fundamental understanding that this country is a positive force and you can make it.

00:11:26.040 Well, I have a working theory about this.

00:11:27.920 This is why Bernie Sanders has a group that really appreciates him and follows him and why even some people on the right will say, oh, I don't like Bernie Sanders, but I think he really believes what he believes.

00:11:39.120 I think the new era of politics and the bipartisan cartel that has ruined this ruling class essentially, a series of destructive policies that have borrowed too much money and eroded our freedoms and liberties and grew the fourth branch of government,

00:11:52.580 I think the American people would much prefer someone who's authentic, who says why they believe what they believe, like that conversation you had with the president on trade.

00:12:01.060 Even if you might fundamentally disagree with tariffs, you say, I'll deal with that way more than an establishment Republican in a heartbeat.

00:12:07.940 I made argument after argument, and he tried to dismantle it.

00:12:12.500 But wait a minute, Mr. President, this, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:14.600 And in the end, he said, I'm just going to shoot straight with you.

00:12:18.220 I love them.

00:12:19.360 I love trade barriers.

00:12:21.940 I love the fact that we can get things from people if we just use our muscle a little bit.

00:12:29.200 I fundamentally disagree.

00:12:31.200 But I hung up the phone going, at least he told me the truth.

00:12:34.940 Yes.

00:12:35.240 He was not pandering to me.

00:12:37.020 Well, and that's clarity over agreement.

00:12:39.580 Yes.

00:12:39.940 Which, and, or the false agreement that the bipartisan coalition that has really, like I said, ruined our country in so many ways, not completely.

00:12:49.440 But I find the American people have this yearning and this interest, especially young people, for authenticity in our candidates.

00:12:57.500 And that's been deteriorating.

00:12:58.900 So I have a question for you.

00:13:00.660 Okay.

00:13:00.920 And then in 10 years, do you think America will be more or less socialist?

00:13:07.020 I ask this question of everybody, by the way.

00:13:12.260 Can I answer with a caveat?

00:13:13.980 Of course.

00:13:15.640 If we continue the spending and if we continue the erosion of who we are and the truth, we will be much more socialist.

00:13:32.080 If we have this real collapse, an actual depression, people who right now say, I am absolutely against socialism.

00:13:42.460 They will want it to be able to weather that storm.

00:13:47.200 And I'm afraid that we're on that track.

00:13:50.280 However, I've been really heartened.

00:13:54.640 I mean, Charlie, I don't think you know the impact.

00:13:59.180 If you say, oh, Glenn, you made an impact on my life.

00:14:02.060 Do you realize the impact you're having on the country?

00:14:05.920 I mean, your organization didn't exist five years ago.

00:14:10.900 It didn't exist.

00:14:12.880 Tonight, I'm talking to 5,000 people.

00:14:16.200 And I, in this place that paid to come across the country, I was on a plane with all kinds of 18- to 24-year-olds yesterday.

00:14:26.640 And I realized the people you have.

00:14:31.380 Do you remember when I did the thing in Washington, D.C. in Restoring Honor?

00:14:34.560 I do.

00:14:35.180 Right on the Washington Monument.

00:14:37.200 And I said, that day, somewhere in this crowd, there is maybe he's seven, maybe he's 15.

00:14:46.280 I saw that speech.

00:14:47.420 Yeah.

00:14:48.160 Somewhere in this crowd is the next George Washington that will feel it right now.

00:14:53.160 And I am so overwhelmed with the people that I have met from your organization and the people who are coming.

00:15:01.780 You're raising the next generation.

00:15:04.520 You are – you and your organization are really responsible for what I think will be the next great generation.

00:15:15.100 But also, some real sucky ones are going to come out of this group too, you know?

00:15:21.520 There's always a big government progressive left or right in every –

00:15:28.180 And I want to talk to you about that because that's a great point.

00:15:30.280 And I think you're starting to see the coming divide on the right.

00:15:34.980 And I have some sympathy with some of the arguments.

00:15:37.200 And it's definitely 100 percent sympathy with the observations of where the right comes from this.

00:15:42.880 But there's a new right movement where they're okay with using government to trust bust or using government to solve societal, cultural problems, banning things, growing government.

00:15:56.480 So –

00:15:56.820 This idea of banning porn that's been kicked around.

00:15:59.080 So that's part of it.

00:16:00.840 Right.

00:16:01.220 So let's talk about it.

00:16:02.380 I did a whole podcast on that.

00:16:04.140 What's – I don't know if you've commented on that publicly or not.

00:16:07.100 But this is the coming divide though, Glenn.

00:16:08.640 I know.

00:16:09.060 I don't like something.

00:16:10.200 This is horrible.

00:16:10.920 This is evil.

00:16:11.440 It's immoral.

00:16:12.180 It's a sin.

00:16:13.020 You are no different than what you're fighting against.

00:16:16.740 Talk about that.

00:16:17.480 This is the divide, Glenn.

00:16:18.700 Right.

00:16:19.000 That you're going to – by the way, some of the students tonight are going to be looking for that clarity because they're being told, which way do I want to go on this?

00:16:26.920 Yeah.

00:16:27.180 That's the – this is the divide that started with the progressive era.

00:16:31.920 Woodrow Wilson.

00:16:32.520 Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson.

00:16:34.600 Those two believed that the government and a group of experts could decide for everyone else.

00:16:41.480 Philosopher Kings.

00:16:42.300 Right.

00:16:43.760 That's insanity and that is the exact opposite of what our founders believed.

00:16:49.900 What our founders believed was, look, you are going to – some people – and I know this because I come from a suicidal family.

00:16:57.600 I've had two people, my mother and my brother commit suicide.

00:17:01.920 So, I know it.

00:17:03.740 Some people's bottom is death and there is nothing you can do about it.

00:17:11.240 When people say, oh, that guy was an alcoholic, that star was an alcoholic and depressive, we should have seen this coming.

00:17:18.220 Most likely the people in their life did see it coming and they tried to do things.

00:17:23.120 But until the individual decides to change, nothing will change.

00:17:28.040 They'll just hide it deeper and deeper and deeper.

00:17:30.720 And you will cause more strife by trying to force them to sober up, get better, be happy.

00:17:37.740 You know what I mean?

00:17:38.760 And you can't control other people's morality.

00:17:45.540 You can teach why it's destructive, but you become the fascist when you decide this is immoral and thus I'm going to make sure nobody does it.

00:18:00.820 And there's an argument to be made.

00:18:03.180 It's – the efficacy of banning it also is questionable.

00:18:06.660 Black markets pop up.

00:18:08.040 Look at the drug war.

00:18:09.540 Sure.

00:18:10.240 Yeah.

00:18:10.540 Look at the drug war and look at – it's not Spain.

00:18:13.400 It's the island, right?

00:18:14.600 Portugal.

00:18:14.980 Portugal, yeah.

00:18:15.800 Are you familiar with what Portugal is?

00:18:17.120 They legalized all drugs basically.

00:18:19.380 They had the highest addiction rate, I believe, in the world on heroin.

00:18:24.440 They were losing their entire country.

00:18:27.160 They were pouring money.

00:18:28.460 What they decided to do was legalize all of it and then take half of the money they were spending and work on drug programs like AA programs.

00:18:38.900 Just fund things that work to get people off that.

00:18:43.740 They've completely healed their country.

00:18:46.520 I mean there will always be drug problems, but they've healed their country.

00:18:50.800 We keep going down the same path.

00:18:53.440 Bad, slap the hand. 0.81

00:18:54.820 Bad, slap the hand. 0.81

00:18:55.960 It doesn't work.

00:18:57.000 And that's growing on the right, Glenn.

00:18:58.740 I know it is.

00:18:59.620 And it's almost – I don't know the percentages.

00:19:02.240 Remember, the progressives started in the Republican side.

00:19:06.700 Yes.

00:19:07.020 And you're seeing it, especially with the issue of tech, tech tyranny, Facebook, Google, and there's calls on the right now to either trust bust them, where we heard that before, or – and a lot of it is by bad history, by the way, that the trust busting was almost as glamorized from the early 1900s.

00:19:29.700 And you educated me on this, and you educated me on this quite well about really the reality of trust busting.

00:19:33.940 Look, the – it is the one part of capitalism that I can't come up with a comfortable answer on.

00:19:45.220 How do you control it when people become so wealthy and so powerful that they can control?

00:19:55.440 So do we take their money away?

00:19:58.300 Do we take their control away?

00:20:00.460 Do we bust them up so they don't have that much?

00:20:03.800 This country was really built by the railroads.

00:20:06.780 You know, people say, oh, look at the Vanderbilts and what they had just because they built the railroad.

00:20:15.800 The average American has about twice the benefits and lifestyle that the Vanderbilts had back then. 0.94

00:20:24.500 We have a much better life on average and just below average.

00:20:28.800 And they were the top of their –

00:20:29.720 And they were the – no one was even close.

00:20:31.520 Just ask Anderson Cooper.

00:20:33.060 No one was even close.

00:20:34.560 Because I've actually – I've gone into the private residence of the Breakers.

00:20:39.040 There's two floors.

00:20:40.740 Anderson introduced me to the family.

00:20:42.600 I don't know if you know this.

00:20:43.300 The Vanderbilts still live in the Breakers.

00:20:45.060 No, I didn't know that.

00:20:45.660 Top two floors.

00:20:46.540 Wow.

00:20:47.040 Yeah, it's phenomenal.

00:20:49.400 The attic is nothing but Louis Vuitton steamer trunks that just say Vanderbilt silver, Vanderbilt China.

00:20:57.660 The things that they did was crazy.

00:21:01.840 But they helped us grow.

00:21:05.740 The problem was is they decided themselves that they could control things.

00:21:13.080 Henry Ford was an awful – he was a socialist. 0.98

00:21:15.700 He was an awful guy. 0.88

00:21:17.460 He believed – I mean he supported the socialists, the national socialists in Germany. 0.66

00:21:22.440 He believed himself, I'm going to tell my coworkers, my workers what to do.

00:21:28.720 If you wanted to buy a Ford, you had to come see him and he would go over your financial records to see if you were even qualified to own.

00:21:38.420 So these people want to control things.

00:21:42.180 So how do you square that to a free market skeptic?

00:21:44.880 I can't – I can't square it other than it works itself out.

00:21:52.660 We are going through what we went through in the late 1800s.

00:21:57.500 So you think it's a gilded era almost that we might be going through?

00:21:59.800 Yeah, I think it's a – the big, huge houses that are built –

00:22:03.580 The ostentatious lifestyles.

00:22:05.160 Yes, that's going to be the breakers of this century.

00:22:09.040 Yes.

00:22:09.220 Okay?

00:22:09.660 And it will bust itself up eventually.

00:22:12.280 Well, the counterargument, people will say, but no, it took a Teddy Roosevelt to break it up.

00:22:16.420 No.

00:22:16.900 That's what someone on the far left or the new right would say.

00:22:20.020 Here's what Teddy Roosevelt did.

00:22:22.120 He broke up the corruption in politics in New York.

00:22:29.360 You want to fix this?

00:22:31.220 You have to make the government so small that there's no one really to bribe.

00:22:39.520 Okay?

00:22:40.280 You clean the corruption up.

00:22:42.020 It's impossible to lobby a government so small that it doesn't exist, right?

00:22:45.560 Why – you know, it was Woodrow Wilson that really started this lobbying campaign, and they did it in World War I.

00:22:55.040 And so some people that – and mind you, Glenn, this is a growing intellectual community.

00:23:00.080 And I respect a lot – I agree with them 100 percent on a lot of their observations, not always with the conclusions.

00:23:05.020 They'll say, but that's not achievable.

00:23:06.960 We're not going to get back to constitutional government.

00:23:09.560 Why?

00:23:10.440 They say the fourth branch of government is untouchable, not enough representatives.

00:23:14.660 What is achievable, though, is broad consensus of trying to use the instruments of power towards a moral good.

00:23:21.240 And it's not an insignificant amount of people, Glenn, that believe this.

00:23:26.300 I know.

00:23:26.780 We cannot become a group of people that don't understand the tyranny of the majority or the tyranny of the minority.

00:23:37.460 And both of which are –

00:23:39.020 Are just as bad.

00:23:40.820 Yes.

00:23:41.160 Okay?

00:23:42.020 And we are a nation of individuals.

00:23:46.620 You must allow me to fail, and you must allow me to succeed.

00:23:52.420 You can't – it's something that – if I may speak in religious terms here.

00:24:00.600 Sure.

00:24:00.840 I'm a Christian.

00:24:01.520 All right, so the war in heaven when a third of the angels are lost, okay, and Satan's up there, and he's like, I'm going to bring all of them back.

00:24:14.240 I'm going to bring all these people back to you, God, but you've got to give me the credit.

00:24:19.920 And how was – what was his plan?

00:24:22.160 To take away choice, to take away their choice.

00:24:25.920 It's – they'll do what I say they should do, and then they'll be clean of all sin, and so they can come back.

00:24:33.280 Wow.

00:24:33.620 That wasn't the plan that God chose.

00:24:36.740 God said, no, he'll sacrifice himself.

00:24:40.080 They must be free to fail.

00:24:43.180 Wow.

00:24:43.580 Okay?

00:24:44.500 That is the – this is the same argument that has been going on, if you're a spiritual person, since the beginning of time.

00:24:52.200 And I've always wondered, up until the last 10 years or so, how do you stand in front of a group of angels who know who God is, and a third of them are convinced, yeah, God's the bad guy?

00:25:09.340 How do you do that?

00:25:10.700 You do that by saying, you know what he wants?

00:25:14.360 You know what he wants?

00:25:14.880 He wants these people to go down there and suffer and hurt and be in pain and stumble and fall, and some of them won't even make it back.

00:25:25.780 What kind of dad would do that?

00:25:28.480 What kind of God would do that?

00:25:32.380 That's how you get a third of the angels to fall away.

00:25:35.260 That's what capitalism stops.

00:25:38.780 They say – capitalists, true capitalists say, you know what?

00:25:43.260 There are going to be places and people whose heart is so big they want to help, and we as a society are going to promote the general welfare, meaning we're going to show.

00:25:55.300 We're going to point those people out and say, good job.

00:25:58.120 Good job.

00:25:58.760 Hey, you want help?

00:25:59.780 Go to them.

00:26:00.360 And then there's something that is so big that only the government can take care of.

00:26:05.700 We'll consider that.

00:26:07.300 But everyone has to be able to fall.

00:26:09.980 Everyone has to be able to bleed.

00:26:11.580 Everyone has to be able to succeed because it's about the individual, not the group.

00:26:19.040 And so well said.

00:26:21.640 Skeptics will say, but that's doomed to fail because of the law of hierarchies.

00:26:25.700 So that you'll have so many people in the competence hierarchy that will get so good and will only multiply their wealth and multiply it.

00:26:34.060 And over time, the mob will be created no matter what.

00:26:37.760 What is our mission?

00:26:38.880 It's a more pessimistic way to look at it, and I'm saying I believe it. 1.00

00:26:42.960 What is our mission statement?

00:26:44.580 As a country?

00:26:45.280 Yeah.

00:26:46.780 That's how I would articulate it?

00:26:48.960 Yeah.

00:26:49.140 Boy, I would go back to the American Trinity, which is liberty, in God we trust, e pluribus unum, which means out of many one, and also to be able to live free and make choices you see fit as long as they don't hurt somebody else.

00:27:04.520 So may I take that and—

00:27:05.660 That was on—

00:27:06.800 Right, right, right.

00:27:07.260 On the fly.

00:27:07.860 On the fly.

00:27:08.160 May I take what you just said and restate it?

00:27:11.000 Yeah.

00:27:11.180 No, no, no.

00:27:11.820 It's right.

00:27:12.440 Let me restate it a little more eloquently.

00:27:14.680 Secondly, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these rights, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:27:28.940 And governments are instituted among men to protect those rights.

00:27:34.340 Okay?

00:27:35.800 That is the greatest mission statement of all time.

00:27:40.360 Thank you, John Locke.

00:27:41.160 And everyone says, well, yeah, well, we never achieved it.

00:27:46.260 Yeah, we haven't.

00:27:47.820 We haven't.

00:27:48.740 Do you realize that aspirational statement?

00:27:53.040 Those founders that wrote that said, I believe man can do this.

00:27:58.720 That's like John F. Kennedy.

00:28:00.340 My father was born in 1926.

00:28:02.900 And we talked about the moon launch.

00:28:05.940 And I said, what was that like?

00:28:07.600 And he said, son, you have no idea.

00:28:08.880 When I was growing up, we didn't think we could go to the moon.

00:28:13.380 Nobody even talked about it.

00:28:15.000 We didn't even think about it.

00:28:16.460 We didn't even have electricity.

00:28:18.660 The moon was just there, and we were here, and there's no way we're ever going to go to the moon.

00:28:24.640 John F. Kennedy says, we're going to go to the moon.

00:28:28.840 We're going to put men on it, and we're going to return them home by the end of this decade. 0.99

00:28:35.060 Everybody thought, that's insane.

00:28:39.900 We did it.

00:28:40.860 We did it.

00:28:42.560 Okay?

00:28:43.260 This is the biggest idea any man has ever had.

00:28:48.900 Any group of people.

00:28:50.240 Wow. 0.74

00:28:50.480 What we do is we just say, we suck, instead of saying, wait a minute, we failed, but have you seen the progress over here? 0.97

00:29:00.040 Have you seen this person, this group? 0.98

00:29:02.300 Have you seen what these people have done?

00:29:04.420 And promote the general welfare and domestic tranquility by saying, look at how we're advancing as man.

00:29:14.540 Yes. 0.99

00:29:15.200 Instead, we keep saying, man sucks, he'll always suck, and he's got to have a big government being big brother to hold him in place. 1.00

00:29:23.920 I'm telling you, that is an evil plan. 1.00

00:29:27.760 And so, you come from the place and the opinion that man is broken by nature, original sin.

00:29:36.600 Every man.

00:29:37.660 And every man has to start over.

00:29:39.760 And I hate to oversimplify it, but I think a lot of the American left, because they don't come from a biblical worldview, and they look at things, I believe, in more platonic terms and less Aristotelian terms, they believe that it's the structures and the systems, not the man that is broken.

00:29:54.760 So, they'll make the argument, no, man's actually good, but it's the capitalistic patriarchy and the nuclear family.

00:30:03.580 Or they will make the statement that man is nothing more than cattle, and a group of supermen can be the ranchers of those cattle to protect the cattle.

00:30:19.420 I reject both of those.

00:30:21.500 Yes.

00:30:21.760 Every man is put here with everything he needs.

00:30:27.760 Every man has it in him.

00:30:30.420 I love Winston Churchill.

00:30:33.440 Probably the greatest man in the 20th century.

00:30:35.160 Right.

00:30:35.880 Unless you're an Indian from India. 1.00

00:30:39.320 Then that man is a monster. 1.00

00:30:41.540 A monster. 1.00

00:30:42.820 Kill them all. 1.00

00:30:43.960 Shoot them. 1.00

00:30:45.160 Put them down. 1.00

00:30:47.260 They are not capable of self-rule.

00:30:50.780 Crush the rebellion. 1.00

00:30:53.060 If you only know him there, he's a monster. 0.95

00:30:56.340 If you only know him in Europe, he's a miracle.

00:31:01.620 So, Charlie, which one is he?

00:31:04.080 Somewhere in between.

00:31:05.340 Yeah.

00:31:05.920 He's both.

00:31:07.300 He's both.

00:31:08.400 Is he the guy he was in 1935?

00:31:14.420 When he got kicked out of the Navy or the British Navy or whatever.

00:31:17.060 Yeah.

00:31:17.260 Is he the guy in 1935?

00:31:19.080 Or is he the guy in 1945?

00:31:20.900 Or is he the guy at death?

00:31:23.100 What matters is, was he better earlier or better towards death?

00:31:29.680 He admitted his mistakes by the time he was old.

00:31:34.220 He said, I was lost.

00:31:35.960 I didn't think it through.

00:31:37.380 I had a different view of things.

00:31:40.000 He was progressing as a human.

00:31:43.840 And that is the individual responsibility for all of us.

00:31:48.600 And unless you go through the crucible, unless you are put into the refiner's fire of life,

00:31:54.680 if you are not allowed to succeed, well, then you're not going to be able to fail.

00:31:59.340 And if you're only allowed to fail because the entire system is failing,

00:32:04.360 you won't know the sweet.

00:32:06.400 You won't grow.

00:32:08.120 Yes.

00:32:08.580 So you have to be able to grow.

00:32:11.280 Winston Churchill is no different than our country, than you, than me.

00:32:15.440 We all have a dark side and we all have a light side.

00:32:18.920 And it's a battle in between.

00:32:21.380 It's a battle our whole lives.

00:32:23.860 The idea is for you to understand that there is forgiveness for you.

00:32:29.820 So thus, you should provide forgiveness for others.

00:32:33.440 And you should provide understanding and grace to others.

00:32:37.340 Because you know when you do something wrong and nobody will ever forgive you.

00:32:43.020 It's just spirals into darkness.

00:32:46.200 Yes.

00:32:46.400 And I find one of the root causes of this, where also progressivism is able to catch hold,

00:32:54.120 is the fastest growing religion in America, which is atheism.

00:32:57.940 And the rise of atheism, not just agnosticism and not just being deferential, but the committed,

00:33:04.140 I am an atheist and I want to tell the world about it.

00:33:06.400 I call them evangelical atheists.

00:33:08.380 Right.

00:33:08.760 Because they evangelize more than evangelical Christians do.

00:33:12.220 And you've talked about this at length.

00:33:14.360 There's a direct connection to that to statism.

00:33:16.580 When you are able to get people not to believe in a higher power, not believe that natural rights actually come from a creator.

00:33:22.080 Well, why not government?

00:33:23.420 Government then becomes God.

00:33:24.600 You know, for most of my life, I thought Nietzsche was sticking his fist up and going, yeah, God is dead.

00:33:32.560 He didn't say that.

00:33:34.680 God is dead, paraphrasing.

00:33:37.260 Now what?

00:33:38.540 Because man needs a God.

00:33:41.320 So what are you going to replace him with?

00:33:43.820 Yes.

00:33:44.000 And he was warning, you're replacing him with science.

00:33:47.320 And God help you with the direction that you're going right now.

00:33:52.660 And look what happened.

00:33:54.620 Eugenics into the Holocaust. 0.95

00:33:57.300 All right.

00:33:57.860 So man has to have a God.

00:34:01.260 The left, their God is the planet, global warming, socialism.

00:34:07.420 Yes.

00:34:07.700 And if you don't genuflect when you are told to genuflect, if you don't say the rosary the right way, you are a part of the problem. 0.98

00:34:20.700 And you must be run out of town because you're a heretic. 0.97

00:34:25.440 Yes. 0.97

00:34:25.920 Okay.

00:34:26.260 It's the same thing.

00:34:27.800 It's just their God is different than, you know, the invisible guy in the sky.

00:34:33.960 There is a difference, if I may say, between atheists.

00:34:38.840 I know atheists that are not a part of the problem because they're also strong libertarians.

00:34:48.380 And so they don't want to force it on somebody else.

00:34:53.200 And, you know, my friend Penn Jillette, he said to me one time, we were just chatting and he said, you're Christian.

00:35:01.280 And I'm like, yeah, you know that.

00:35:04.180 He said, well, I know.

00:35:05.780 I didn't know if you knew that.

00:35:06.980 And I said, what are you talking about?

00:35:08.280 He said, you know, you never asked me what I know about Jesus and to be baptized.

00:35:14.120 And I said, well, I figure you're smart enough to know and I shouldn't.

00:35:22.000 He said, but doesn't that, isn't that part of your creed to be able to do it?

00:35:29.620 And he said, I actually kind of feel bad that you didn't think enough of me.

00:35:34.560 And I said, no, I was actually trying to respect you and not, you know, do that.

00:35:40.300 And he said, yeah, but it's in your creed to do that.

00:35:45.400 So I know people that like Penn who has changed.

00:35:50.060 When I first met Penn, I asked him, I said, I just finished a show with him.

00:35:55.960 This is like 2006.

00:35:57.700 And I said, hey, next time you're in town, let's get together, have lunch.

00:36:04.560 And he looked at me, this is off air, and he said, are you, are you kidding?

00:36:11.500 And I said, no, why?

00:36:13.160 And he said, it'd be like me having a lunch with a disease.

00:36:19.640 You're a Christian. 0.64

00:36:21.480 And I said, whoa, yes.

00:36:25.060 And he said, I would never have a religious person in my house.

00:36:28.820 It'd be like inviting the plague into my house.

00:36:31.660 And I said, Penn, boy, I've thought a lot of things about you in my life, but not that you were a bigot.

00:36:38.340 And he told me later, he got into the elevator and he just kicked himself.

00:36:42.300 But he was angry about 9-11.

00:36:44.200 And he had grouped all religious people into one ball.

00:36:48.880 Wow.

00:36:48.980 And through our friendship, you know, of me just being there and, you know, always being his friend, he changed.

00:36:58.800 And he is not preaching the hate and division.

00:37:02.660 In fact, he's preaching to his atheist friends.

00:37:04.880 I saw him on stage at the atheist convention saying, don't be what we've always said the worst Christians are to us.

00:37:14.460 Don't try to run them out of the square.

00:37:17.900 Just live with one another and respect one another.

00:37:21.020 I'm afraid that's the minority of atheists, though.

00:37:25.140 A vast majority of atheists.

00:37:27.360 And Dennis Prager has the best question about it.

00:37:29.760 He spoke at the atheist convention once they've invited him.

00:37:32.720 And he asked the question, do you hope you're wrong?

00:37:34.580 And it's a great question to ask Penn because if you don't hope you're wrong, then you want to be right more than what is good.

00:37:42.140 Think about it.

00:37:42.640 You want to be right more than ever having an afterlife, mercy, forgiveness, believing there's ubiquitous creator behind everything that we know to be true.

00:37:50.840 I don't think Penn would say he hopes he's wrong.

00:37:53.440 So he hopes there's nothing.

00:37:55.100 He wants to just be nothing more than a clump of cells and bacteria.

00:37:58.520 Yeah, he thinks that we live a good, decent life now, enjoy every second, be good every second.

00:38:05.740 So he thinks this is perfect then?

00:38:07.880 No, he just thinks make the best out of it.

00:38:10.460 But he should at least hope there's an afterlife.

00:38:12.460 Meaning, would you believe the Bible if it's true, Penn?

00:38:15.240 That's what I would ask.

00:38:16.200 I have asked him that.

00:38:17.220 And I've asked a few of my atheist friends.

00:38:20.680 If I could prove it to you, which I don't think you can either way.

00:38:25.540 But there's good evidence to get people clean.

00:38:27.400 Yeah, but within striking distance.

00:38:29.320 I agree, but faith is required.

00:38:32.840 Okay, so if I could prove it to you, would you change your mind?

00:38:37.840 That's the question to ask.

00:38:39.220 If they say no, if I said no, if they came to you and said, if we could prove that there is no God, I reject that immediately because you can't prove that.

00:38:52.460 But if you could, and here's the evidence, Charlie, there is no God, would you change your mind?

00:39:02.120 So we have to answer that the same way.

00:39:04.760 We'd have to be as open-minded.

00:39:06.040 Right.

00:39:06.440 We'd have to.

00:39:07.720 Knowing that no proof on either side would actually ever do it.

00:39:13.100 That's correct.

00:39:13.760 Right.

00:39:14.140 But, yeah, I am.

00:39:16.400 I am.

00:39:17.740 I mean, I look at my faith.

00:39:21.720 You know, people are like, you actually believe in that stuff?

00:39:25.120 You know what? 0.91

00:39:25.680 But I'm a recovering alcoholic and, even more important, a recovering dirtbag. 0.98

00:39:31.020 I spent a lot of my life being an absolute dirtbag. 0.86

00:39:34.800 And I know what my will got me, and it got me nowhere except into the center of misery.

00:39:43.740 And when I went looking for a faith, I went looking for God, I was looking just for something that would make me a happier person, make me nicer, make people, make me just love people, you know?

00:40:00.440 And to control the worst urges in me, I don't care if I have to drink chicken blood.

00:40:08.560 If it works for me, celebration.

00:40:13.420 Yeah.

00:40:13.680 Celebration.

00:40:14.900 You know?

00:40:15.360 If I get to heaven and God is like some big space octopus, and he's like, you never saw this one coming.

00:40:24.260 I'd go, no, never thought that, but I guess I have to embrace that.

00:40:31.300 Sure.

00:40:31.860 Absolutely.

00:40:32.560 So, I visit campuses a lot, and we're so thrilled you'll be able to speak to our students.

00:40:36.840 And the rise of socialism is real and the destruction of our public education system.

00:40:40.840 Can't wait.

00:40:41.800 And so, can you give a little bit of a preview, or as this will record indefinitely in perpetuity, give it to those that can't be there, give me the low down.

00:40:52.260 I can't give it, I can't give it to you, and I want, our students look up to you and admire you so much, Ben.

00:40:59.620 That's really nice.

00:41:00.280 So, it's just, it's really nice.

00:41:01.760 And if you could remember my name, I would believe it.

00:41:04.040 I was saying Glenn Beck, Ben.

00:41:05.680 Ben.

00:41:05.920 I'm kidding.

00:41:06.460 I'm kidding.

00:41:06.980 Relax.

00:41:07.800 Okay.

00:41:08.680 Let me just start on a couple things.

00:41:10.240 First, this is, this is an 1830 engraving of the original Declaration of Independence,

00:41:21.460 the first draft.

00:41:23.220 Wow.

00:41:23.440 Okay.

00:41:24.060 And if you look at it here, you can take that one.

00:41:26.240 If you look at it, you will see on the sides, on the borders.

00:41:31.760 One in the course of human events.

00:41:32.980 Yeah.

00:41:33.840 And in the, on the borders, you'll see things like Franklin or Adams.

00:41:37.880 That's like a Google Doc where Franklin went in and said, don't like that line.

00:41:42.760 And so, he would write Franklin or Adams.

00:41:45.260 Do you see that?

00:41:46.040 Yeah.

00:41:46.400 Isn't that amazing?

00:41:47.740 So, I want you to notice that look through.

00:41:51.440 They scratch stuff out here.

00:41:53.040 I know.

00:41:54.240 There's a lot different in this draft.

00:41:56.340 And this, so this is the first draft.

00:41:57.800 This is the first draft.

00:41:58.660 This is the first pass.

00:41:59.140 Right.

00:41:59.660 And so.

00:42:00.180 Before it got the king's eyes.

00:42:01.360 Right.

00:42:01.800 So, before Congress got a hold of it.

00:42:04.260 Okay.

00:42:04.560 This is Franklin.

00:42:06.100 This is Jefferson.

00:42:07.380 Then Franklin and Adams going, okay.

00:42:09.680 I kind of like that.

00:42:10.880 Let's present it to Congress.

00:42:12.300 They presented it to Congress.

00:42:13.560 They talked about it.

00:42:14.680 Now, what does the Declaration of Independence say at the very top?

00:42:18.780 When in the course of human events.

00:42:19.920 No, the very top.

00:42:21.480 Well, I'm going to read this.

00:42:22.640 Is that okay?

00:42:23.160 Yeah, go ahead.

00:42:24.120 A declaration by the representatives of the United States of America in General Congress.

00:42:29.460 All right.

00:42:29.660 So, something that did not officially exist.

00:42:31.540 Right.

00:42:31.760 But what does the official, the one that was approved.

00:42:36.480 I don't know.

00:42:38.000 Unanimous declaration.

00:42:40.380 Wow.

00:42:40.700 Okay.

00:42:41.360 So, they started and Thomas Jefferson said, you have to, do we all agree that if we aren't

00:42:48.300 completely in lock sync, that the king will find a way to worm himself between us and he'll

00:42:56.980 split us apart one by one and we'll be done.

00:42:59.940 Wow.

00:43:00.400 So, is everything have to be unanimous?

00:43:02.920 Yes or no?

00:43:03.880 They all voted yes.

00:43:05.340 Jefferson, you go write it.

00:43:06.960 Okay.

00:43:07.220 So, I want you to notice that the only words that are capitalized in that-

00:43:11.620 Are United States of America.

00:43:12.860 Okay.

00:43:13.920 Look at-

00:43:14.820 This is incredible, by the way.

00:43:16.440 Look at-

00:43:16.940 Thank you.

00:43:17.720 I could do this stuff all day.

00:43:18.840 Look at that page.

00:43:20.600 Do you see anything capitalized or printed?

00:43:23.180 Christian.

00:43:23.880 And?

00:43:24.480 Men.

00:43:25.520 Hmm.

00:43:25.800 Now, why, why would, do you notice that that's nowhere else?

00:43:31.400 And it's underlined too.

00:43:32.200 Yeah.

00:43:32.540 There's, it's nowhere else in the document.

00:43:35.200 Wow.

00:43:35.700 He doesn't print anything.

00:43:37.260 Everything is in cursive.

00:43:38.700 He doesn't.

00:43:39.180 His handwriting changes at that point.

00:43:42.380 Okay?

00:43:43.500 You know what that is?

00:43:45.440 That's Thomas Jefferson alone at night writing the first draft.

00:43:50.400 Wow.

00:43:50.740 And in it, he says, and the worst usurptation, the worst thing he has done is this Christian

00:43:59.740 king, handwritten out, that's, that's all printed.

00:44:05.640 That's all caps lock, basically.

00:44:07.620 Right.

00:44:07.880 In today's time, right?

00:44:09.380 He's mocking.

00:44:10.740 This Christian king has taken a group of people who never offended him from another part of

00:44:19.700 the world.

00:44:20.580 Basically criticizing slavery, maybe?

00:44:23.360 Yeah.

00:44:24.080 Because it says bought and sold, right?

00:44:25.580 Right.

00:44:26.120 Put them on a boat if they survived.

00:44:29.120 He sold, capital letters, men on the open market. 0.96

00:44:34.020 Really important because blacks weren't men. 1.00

00:44:37.880 How could Thomas Jefferson write, all men are created? 1.00

00:44:40.520 Oh, he knew.

00:44:41.880 He knew.

00:44:43.100 That's why he, in his own zeal, he, he capitalized men.

00:44:49.560 He sells men on the open market.

00:44:52.340 And now he's taking the people who are trying to free those people.

00:44:58.180 We have tried over and over and over again.

00:45:00.580 And he blocks us every step of the way. 0.92

00:45:03.320 And now he's telling these people that he'll buy their freedom if he will, if they will kill 0.97

00:45:11.940 the people who are trying to set him free. 0.99

00:45:14.540 Wow.

00:45:15.080 Okay.

00:45:15.340 Jefferson didn't understand slavery.

00:45:18.260 The founders didn't include this.

00:45:20.860 Remember, unanimous declaration.

00:45:23.860 Wow.

00:45:24.440 Two states out of 13.

00:45:27.420 Two states said that has to go.

00:45:30.280 Two out of 13.

00:45:32.720 So don't tell me we were built by racists that didn't understand.

00:45:37.300 And they understood.

00:45:39.660 They knew.

00:45:40.480 And inspired by this document, in 1777, Vermont abolished slavery.

00:45:45.480 I mean, this document inspired the abolition movement.

00:45:48.360 It took 30, 40, 50 years.

00:45:51.420 But the lie of the left is that we're a racist country from our founding.

00:45:57.880 What else you got here?

00:45:58.800 Let's see.

00:45:59.620 I'll show you this.

00:46:00.380 This is really kind of cool.

00:46:02.260 This is.

00:46:02.640 We only got a couple minutes because then we got a.

00:46:04.160 So this is handwritten.

00:46:06.480 This is to Caesar Rodney, one of our founders, written by Thomas Jefferson.

00:46:12.980 Just read the last couple of lines.

00:46:15.280 This is incredible.

00:46:16.060 You might recognize that letter.

00:46:19.860 I'm not great at reading cursive.

00:46:21.540 I'm going to confide in you, Glenn.

00:46:23.460 He says, basically, I see the storm.

00:46:26.760 The world entire from the calamity threatened.

00:46:29.020 Yeah, I see storms.

00:46:30.000 We are the world.

00:46:30.780 We are the world's last hope.

00:46:32.880 Hope and its loss will be on our heads.

00:46:38.820 God help you and preserve you.

00:46:42.060 I think that might be a Latin phrase at the end.

00:46:44.480 I mean, here, that's, that's Jefferson, one of his more famous lines.

00:46:48.780 We're the world's last great hope.

00:46:50.740 Disneyland.

00:46:51.280 Just quickly, this is the original prospectus for Disneyland.

00:46:54.320 Wow.

00:46:55.100 Hand colored by Walt.

00:46:56.520 Which was actually Disney World.

00:46:58.320 No, this is Disneyland.

00:46:59.960 In California?

00:47:00.600 Yeah, this is Disneyland.

00:47:01.600 I thought he thought of the, okay, he did, was that first in California?

00:47:04.680 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:05.500 He never saw the Florida one be built.

00:47:07.540 Is that right?

00:47:08.080 No.

00:47:08.420 He died before it was completed.

00:47:09.640 Yeah, he died in 66, I think, and that was opened in 72.

00:47:13.200 Amazing.

00:47:13.580 And Epcot was not supposed to be what Epcot is now.

00:47:16.680 You know what this is?

00:47:17.580 Have you ever seen this?

00:47:18.880 No, but it looks Eastern.

00:47:19.780 So it looks like, if I had to guess, a picture of bombers, obviously from 1940s, probably World

00:47:28.540 War II, Japanese, you know.

00:47:30.500 Japanese.

00:47:31.100 Okay.

00:47:31.520 This American.

00:47:32.780 Okay.

00:47:33.400 On the back, it says, we have a new bomb.

00:47:38.200 So we were letting people know before we dropped the bomb.

00:47:40.480 Well, only 70 million of these were dropped.

00:47:45.000 Leaflets.

00:47:45.640 Leaflets were dropped from the sky over 11 cities.

00:47:49.800 These are the cities here.

00:47:51.860 And Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two of the cities.

00:47:54.900 And on this, it says, get out of the city.

00:47:57.820 We have more firepower in one bomb than all the bombs we have already dropped in Europe.

00:48:04.220 Get out.

00:48:05.480 Food and water will be scarce.

00:48:07.560 We are not after you.

00:48:10.080 We are after your emperor.

00:48:13.760 And his imperial ambitions.

00:48:15.360 Not after you.

00:48:16.460 Tell me where that is in history.

00:48:18.500 We don't even know it.

00:48:19.000 Only Israel would do that with the Palestinian Authority. 0.93

00:48:21.300 Correct.

00:48:21.560 And they do.

00:48:22.200 Correct.

00:48:23.200 I have Lincoln's bloody collar in here.

00:48:27.360 I have the torch from the 36 Olympics.

00:48:30.000 It's going to be a...

00:48:31.080 But Glenn, we're just like every other country.

00:48:33.380 No, we're not.

00:48:34.660 We are an exceptional country.

00:48:36.180 You know, we may be on that road.

00:48:39.500 Walt Disney in 1954 in the...

00:48:43.900 I think it was November of 1954 said, I want to build a park.

00:48:50.960 And I'm going to build it in Orange County.

00:48:53.180 Okay.

00:48:53.400 And it was a Orange Grove in the...

00:48:58.500 Now Anaheim, California.

00:48:59.720 Right.

00:49:00.300 In the fall of 54.

00:49:03.980 In July of 55, it was Disneyland.

00:49:09.620 It's amazing.

00:49:10.460 So we are not the nation we used to be.

00:49:14.080 Now you'd have to get environmental impact statements.

00:49:17.760 You'd have to...

00:49:17.980 You'd never get that done in 20 years.

00:49:19.220 They would march in the streets.

00:49:20.240 No.

00:49:20.640 No.

00:49:21.300 Well, Glenn, it's such an honor to be able to speak with you.

00:49:23.400 Thank you.

00:49:23.780 This is awesome.

00:49:24.140 Likewise.

00:49:24.680 Can't wait to have you speak to our students.

00:49:26.380 I'm proud to be here.

00:49:27.280 Thanks for the impact.

00:49:27.960 Really proud of you.

00:49:28.660 Thank you.

00:49:29.420 That you've made it in my life.

00:49:30.300 Thank you.

00:49:30.640 Thank you.

00:49:30.780 We'll be right back.

The Glenn Beck Program - January 23, 2020

Ep 64 ｜ The Greatest Mission Statement on Earth ｜ Charlie Kirk ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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