The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 65 ｜ Smeared by the DNC and FBI, Carter Page is Unafraid to Fight Back ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:01:18.300 By the end of January 2017, my guest today was under investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation

00:01:46.360 and the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency,

00:01:51.220 the Director of National Intelligence and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.

00:01:56.500 This was a massive operation that spanned more than three years and cost millions of dollars.

00:02:02.900 And in the end, he was not accused of one single crime.

00:02:07.640 I will tell you that in the course of the last few years, I have been conflicted.

00:02:12.300 Is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy?

00:02:13.540 At first, I was convinced he was guilty. And then I wasn't so sure.

00:02:16.640 And then I was convinced again. And then I wasn't sure.

00:02:19.060 Most of our trusted institutions were telling us that this is a bad guy.

00:02:23.740 Media were in lockstep. This is a foreign agent. 1.00

00:02:27.080 But as the facts started to come out and we began to do our homework and more and more things were released,

00:02:32.840 we began to realize that something truly criminal had occurred, but not from him, not the one we originally thought.

00:02:39.980 Our government, in collusion with agencies and the media, did do something criminal.

00:02:47.020 They destroyed an American citizen. 0.63

00:02:49.580 On this episode of the podcast, the man that found himself directly in the crosshairs of the deep state,

00:02:56.440 it all began with the lies about Carter Page.

00:03:00.620 You've been called a lot of things.

00:03:15.540 A lot.

00:03:18.100 You were kind of a fugitive, if you will.

00:03:21.440 Yeah.

00:03:21.580 And one of the things that was said about you, and I think this is the kindest thing that could have been said, 1.00

00:03:28.660 or they did say, was the Russians didn't even want you because you were too stupid. 1.00

00:03:34.340 Looking at your history, you are anything but stupid. 1.00

00:03:40.280 You have your master's. 1.00

00:03:41.620 You have a Ph.D.

00:03:42.720 You were in the top 10% of your class at the Naval Academy.

00:03:49.440 Top 5% actually, but yeah.

00:03:51.160 Anyway, sorry.

00:03:52.540 10 is still a big deal for me.

00:03:54.180 Top 5.

00:03:54.800 I mean, you were anything.

00:03:56.160 And you're successful.

00:03:58.180 You were COO of Merrill Lynch.

00:04:02.520 Is there anything out there about you that's true?

00:04:06.380 It's amazing the impact of the media, because people can take little snippets of information

00:04:17.520 and totally twist and spin it in a way which is completely false and an entirely different reality.

00:04:26.520 You were five years Naval Intelligence?

00:04:31.800 A Naval officer, but I worked with intelligence in many contexts.

00:04:38.160 So you know the world of intelligence.

00:04:43.220 You know the spy game.

00:04:45.680 How shocking was it to you?

00:04:51.140 A guy who's served in the military actually helped put bad guys who were trying to, you know,

00:04:58.600 bring you in as a Russian spy at one point.

00:05:02.040 You turn that whole situation around.

00:05:04.620 You expose bad guys with the government.

00:05:08.060 You become an informant for the government.

00:05:09.820 You, how were you, it was the intelligence agencies that you were working with and that

00:05:21.020 you were a part of for a long time that turned this whole thing around and you're a pawn and

00:05:27.900 you're a nobody because they're after Donald Trump.

00:05:31.020 How do you process that?

00:05:34.280 Well, I process it through a lot of that same experience, right?

00:05:38.380 My first time ever at CIA headquarters was over a quarter century ago in 1993, 1994.

00:05:47.560 I think I should shave my head because you look too young for a quarter century ago.

00:05:52.380 But anyway.

00:05:53.080 Well, that institution, the CIA, it was created around the start of the Cold War, right?

00:06:02.480 So their whole raison d'etre is to, you know, Russia is bad and we're kind of, you know,

00:06:09.980 they sort of were built upon that foundational premise, right?

00:06:15.660 So, you know, they've adapted to a certain extent over time.

00:06:21.140 But there has always been sort of an institutional assumption, a lot of institutional assumptions,

00:06:29.380 often not fully reflective of reality to various different degrees at various points in time.

00:06:38.700 But that's been a major, that is where, you know, you ask about it being a surprise.

00:06:44.280 Because I've had these debates with very high-level people and, you know, mid-level people and, you know,

00:06:52.700 agents on the ground in the CIA as well as the FBI.

00:06:57.060 And, you know, I, like candidate Trump, had a different worldview.

00:07:03.460 A different worldview kind of based upon experience and, you know, understand.

00:07:08.560 And again, this is the foundation upon which this institution was, to a large extent, created.

00:07:17.260 Obviously, you know, it's a global, they have a global footprint and a global, you know, operations and analysis on the one hand.

00:07:25.880 But when you kind of go back to day one of that institution, what the Dulles brothers were involved in,

00:07:33.740 and, you know, a lot of kind of the people, original founders, if you will, that's, you know.

00:07:41.880 So, I know that to be true.

00:07:47.040 However, you have intelligence people now at the heads of our intelligence agency, Clapper and all those people,

00:07:57.020 that, you know, also say that, you know, the Muslim Brotherhood is largely secular.

00:08:02.240 And they're, I mean, they have a completely different worldview of things.

00:08:06.380 The Soviets were an enemy.

00:08:09.080 The Russians are, Russian people are not our enemy. 0.96

00:08:13.900 But Putin is, you know, he's a bad guy.

00:08:18.440 And you have, you know, some really bad oligarchs in Russia.

00:08:23.980 You agree with that, right?

00:08:25.320 It's another one of these situations, Glenn, where if I don't agree with it, then you kind of, people come back.

00:08:32.160 So, let me give you an example on that.

00:08:34.680 President Trump, his interview with O'Reilly, your old colleague, you know.

00:08:40.680 This is something, you know, and he had, he was sort of asked a similar question.

00:08:44.940 And, you know, he kind of punched back a little bit.

00:08:49.200 And I think, again, sort of the reasons I was a centerpiece in terms of them coming after me is a desire to try to find new solutions.

00:09:02.460 Look, nobody is perfect.

00:09:04.140 I'm not perfect.

00:09:05.000 You're not perfect.

00:09:05.980 Anyone.

00:09:06.380 Is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin perfect?

00:09:10.620 Absolutely not.

00:09:11.800 But nonetheless, there are a lot of constructive things that can be done if you look for new approaches.

00:09:19.300 And let me tell you something.

00:09:20.360 As a person who spent, you know, years living in Moscow and actually quite a bit of time in 2016.

00:09:27.600 I made two trips over there in July of 2016 and in December.

00:09:34.240 There are a lot of people and there's a lot of momentum for trying to find new solutions.

00:09:39.940 Oh, I'm not doubting that.

00:09:42.320 At all levels of the government and all aspects of society as well.

00:09:47.580 There are also people that are still looking to crush the United States, just like there are hawks over here that would like to go in.

00:09:54.940 I mean, you know, the night that Trump bombed or Iran bombed, you know, our troops, I heard a lot of people on the right going, we've got to go in and take their oil fields and everything.

00:10:08.660 And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what?

00:10:10.600 But so I know there are hawks on on both sides that just think this is still 1956 or 51 or whatever it is.

00:10:19.600 But go ahead.

00:10:21.440 Well, it's you know, there's kind of hawks, you know, hawks versus dove issues.

00:10:26.800 I think it's a little bit of a separate issue, and I think you can kind of achieve things on both front vis-a-vis this the broader question, which we were, you know, first talking about of relationships.

00:10:40.980 Yeah, right. And I look, I think this is similarly another guy who's, you know, still currently dealing with a lot of a lot of things right now is General Flynn.

00:10:52.080 Right. And he had, I think I don't want to misquote him, but one of the premises of his worldview and his sort of national security strategy, you know, his concepts that he was he's talked about and has written about going back many years.

00:11:07.700 Is these this country, Russia, can be a an ally in terms of that exact in a Middle East context and a lot of other contexts.

00:11:19.660 So. So. I wasn't planning on going here, but I have to just ask this question, but you do believe that the Russians because they announced this beforehand.

00:11:32.380 I was talking about this in 2014 that they wanted to disrupt our elections.

00:11:39.000 I don't think they wanted to have Trump or Clinton.

00:11:43.620 They don't care. They just would like to sow the seeds of chaos, at least, you know, some of them as the government.

00:11:54.020 And we have we have evidence that they did that.

00:11:57.240 You agree with that. Let me tell you about the evidence I know for sure and what we've been talking about in terms of these FISA warrants.

00:12:07.420 The evidence we have is that a lot of this, the impact in meddling in the election.

00:12:15.700 I'm not saying impact. I'm saying that that was their intent.

00:12:18.800 I'm not saying I'm not saying that they did metal or they changed anything.

00:12:23.900 What I'm saying is we've done a better job on sowing chaos inside of our own country by using a failed attempt to influence our election.

00:12:38.920 And I think they kind of knew. I think Putin's really smart.

00:12:43.160 I think he kind of knew all I have to do is do these little things and they'll eat it up.

00:12:47.920 The Democrats, I when did they start hating Russia?

00:12:52.320 They hated Donald Trump. They hated Donald Trump.

00:12:56.500 And we've done the damage. I'm not saying they threw the election.

00:12:59.900 I'm saying they put enough out and then our media and we just consumed it in a way of doing the damage they couldn't do.

00:13:10.960 Well, let's be specific right there on.

00:13:15.260 Early January, two weeks before the inauguration, they had this director of national intelligence Russia report, which came out.

00:13:23.960 Clapper, Comey, Brennan, these guys, you know, now big sort of media stars or, you know, book authors for Mr. Comey.

00:13:34.160 And there were two main conclusions in broad terms in in that in that report.

00:13:41.000 Number one, there was hacking related to the election.

00:13:45.440 And the other part, and it's kind of towards the end, although it's parts of it or there's an appendix at the end of the of that document, which talks about government propaganda.

00:13:58.460 Right. In each of those two, those two allegations, that is precisely what the DNC and the Obama administration did to the Trump campaign.

00:14:10.080 And in conjunction, you know, that was that was the other part of this to me is Russia played a role.

00:14:19.580 They stated it in advance what they were going to do.

00:14:23.160 And and the DN and Trump was not connected to any of that.

00:14:28.800 And the DNC was connected to, I think, stuff that was much worse in the long run with Ukrainians. 1.00

00:14:37.800 You know, anybody who could cause chaos wants to cause chaos, if it's especially if it's in their own interest.

00:14:44.260 It was in the they thought the interest of of the Ukrainians to get Hillary Clinton in.

00:14:51.020 So they'll help any way they want.

00:14:53.480 And the former administration was there.

00:14:57.460 Everything they said Donald Trump was doing.

00:15:01.020 They were doing.

00:15:02.180 Donald Trump was not Russia was trying to interfere, but not coordinating with a campaign.

00:15:10.320 These people in Ukraine were.

00:15:12.560 Is that accurate?

00:15:14.280 You know, I I've spent a fair amount of time in Ukraine.

00:15:18.660 I have not.

00:15:19.940 I don't.

00:15:20.560 I'm always very cautious, Glenn, of talking about things that I don't really know and have all the facts about.

00:15:27.400 And, you know, look, I think this is part of the reason what we see about with respect to this impeachment thing right now, because there's so much confusion and chaos and incomplete information.

00:15:39.880 Right. A lot of this, you know, I think the jury's still out.

00:15:43.860 You know, we don't there's a lot more that we need to know.

00:15:46.500 And, you know, we're even as you know, sort of these pieces are starting to come together and we start getting some of this information.

00:15:54.120 I think we may have a better sense of things.

00:15:56.600 So I'm always very cautious about, you know, coming to conclusions.

00:16:01.060 All I do know is, you know, in a Russia context.

00:16:04.520 And again, going back to that DNI report two weeks before the inauguration, which was effectively a U.S. government slash Obama administration smear campaign against President Trump or President-elect Trump, you know, in the lead up to him, you know, being sworn in.

00:16:24.120 So let's let's let's start with the day it got real for you.

00:16:38.440 The day is coffin Yahoo comes out with a story that says you're a Russian plant, you're a Russian spy, you have connections with the Kremlin, you're part of this coordination, you're you are a bad guy.

00:17:00.120 You know, that's not true.

00:17:01.740 Do your friends and family react the same way?

00:17:07.640 Well, it's interesting throughout several months prior, you know, it became real in a public context.

00:17:17.300 I became a public figure that day.

00:17:19.220 I never had a Wikipedia page, you know, within hours of this, you know, they they have a Wikipedia page on that, you know, using that as the basis.

00:17:28.660 Right. This is kind of, you know, one of the you are, you know, this is the defining moment of this, you know, previously completely unknown guy.

00:17:37.260 Right. But I think it's important, you know, to and it speaks to your point a little bit.

00:17:43.040 And the months prior, I actually got a lot of phone calls from journalists.

00:17:51.640 First one was with The Wall Street Journal.

00:17:53.960 Someone from The Wall Street Journal calls me back in July.

00:17:56.720 Right. Asking about these same false allegations, which the DNC's consultants were trying to spread to try to, you know, this opposite, quote unquote, opposition research against then candidate Trump.

00:18:11.380 And the calls continued over the following months. Washington Post.

00:18:16.260 Nobody reports on it. No one reports on it.

00:18:19.020 Yeah, because they can't verify.

00:18:20.800 Well, number one, not verify. But but, you know, in fairness to those other media organizations, whether it's The Wall Street Journal, even New York Times and The Washington Post, CNN.

00:18:32.060 When they're asking me about this, you know, they it's they're being professional journalists, you know, to maybe, you know, again, like we were saying, there's no one's perfect.

00:18:43.100 But they took steps to try to, you know, do things in a professional way.

00:18:49.360 And this guy, Mr. Isikoff, you know, never talked to him and I never I never spoken with him.

00:18:57.000 He never he never reached out.

00:18:58.420 He he left me a couple of voicemails, did no just saying, you know, can you call me back type of thing?

00:19:05.440 But I had no idea, you know, and I'm again, I'm a private figure.

00:19:09.320 I'm just a little volunteer.

00:19:11.920 You know, the guy in terms of positive impact on the on any presidential campaign, someone who's putting signs on lawns in Texas or Missouri or anywhere.

00:19:28.420 Has a much more, you know, positive impact than a guy who's sort of just a member of this committee.

00:19:36.280 So and the funny thing.

00:19:39.140 So there's there's tons of angles.

00:19:41.760 But yeah.

00:19:42.680 But I mean, on that day, you know, I again, completely unknown person.

00:19:51.960 I start getting tons of calls from the media.

00:19:54.680 Right.

00:19:56.280 Just asking me about about these false allegations.

00:20:00.640 And it just sort of became a downward spiral.

00:20:03.820 And my hope, again, sort of the private figure, sort of behind the scenes kind of guy that I was.

00:20:11.140 My hope is that it would just blow over.

00:20:13.320 So I kind of, you know, I just said, well, a lot of no comments, some comments on background or sort of off the record that, you know, use your common sense. 0.98

00:20:24.580 This is just ridiculous on the face.

00:20:27.220 And and I kind of tried to go underground a little bit, you know, and again, to your point, I there are a lot of questions from, you know, even family people I was close with. 0.92

00:20:44.140 You know, what's going on here, right?

00:20:47.640 I mean, there was a certain assumption about the media that if they're kind of throwing out these very serious allegations, there's got to be something to it.

00:20:57.060 There's got to be something somewhere, you know, so it just creates doubt.

00:21:02.520 And I think the thing that was the most serious element of all this is, again, you talk about divisive forces in politics.

00:21:14.920 This, you know, exactly to your point, there are some that are going to be inclined to believe this.

00:21:19.900 There are some that are going to be, you know, realize that it's completely frivolous on its face.

00:21:25.300 But, you know, you have to to the extent that those people who are the believers of the Russia collusion, a false story, that becomes an issue when they want it to kind of take law into their own hands.

00:21:42.420 And I never meaning meaning a lot of death threats, terror threats that I got starting, you know, right around that time.

00:21:55.300 Was there ever a point to where you realized, I'm really pretty alone and there's no one really writing into my defense?

00:22:12.220 And was there ever just a moment where you thought, I'm destroyed for the rest of my life.

00:22:22.340 I won't get it back.

00:22:23.820 The bigger costs is, I always think about the damage that this story is doing to our country, to our institutions, to our democracy, really.

00:22:37.140 That's always sort of fun.

00:22:38.500 That's awfully noble.

00:22:39.440 I mean, I've gone through, and I haven't gone through what you've gone through, but I've been, I have a Wikipedia page, too.

00:22:46.740 I'm sure.

00:22:47.060 Uh, and, uh, and even trying to change my own Wikipedia page and go, well, what's your evidence?

00:22:53.760 It's me.

00:22:54.620 That's my evidence.

00:22:55.600 It's me.

00:22:56.020 I gave up a long time.

00:22:57.000 I know.

00:22:57.340 I'm with you.

00:22:57.920 Uh, me too.

00:22:59.940 Um, but even as much as I'm focused on that, there are times when I just think I'm, I'm, this is not worth it.

00:23:11.780 Cause you're not going to beat it.

00:23:13.080 You're not going to win.

00:23:14.160 It's too big. 0.99

00:23:15.780 Nobody gives a crap. 0.97

00:23:17.300 There isn't a single person in journalism that actually wants to know the truth. 0.98

00:23:22.340 And you, I go from, you know, times of righteous indignation to, I'm just, I'm going to go to the mountains and I'm just, I don't care anymore.

00:23:33.200 I don't care.

00:23:34.200 Cause if people won't stand up and do their own homework enough and use some common sense, there's no saving them anyway.

00:23:42.940 Yeah.

00:23:43.340 Well, look, I mean, I, I think there's, there's a lot of different motivations for people in terms of the reasons that they do things they do.

00:23:51.300 And the desire, the, uh, commitment to kind of do in the end of the day, whatever it takes.

00:23:58.960 And from, uh, I'm, I'm just getting to know you now, but my, my sense is we kind of come at it from a very similar perspective of, you know, as one of the sole people who can help fix this mess.

00:24:14.280 And, you know, anything you can do to help, uh, create some semblance of integrity within our society and understanding is invaluable.

00:24:27.500 And at the end of the day, you know, despite the costs, it makes it, it makes it all worth it.

00:24:33.920 Cause there is something bigger than just us.

00:24:36.140 Yep.

00:24:37.480 Okay.

00:24:38.160 Um, I just, I, I don't think I've, I don't think I've ever met anybody who is the Cary Grant character in North by Northwest.

00:24:48.240 I don't know if you've ever seen that movie.

00:24:49.560 I don't think so.

00:24:50.120 You should watch it.

00:24:51.320 Okay.

00:24:51.440 He's an, he's an average everyday guy.

00:24:53.540 They mistake him for somebody else.

00:24:56.000 The Russians do. 0.93

00:24:57.140 And they think he's a spy.

00:24:59.060 And he's just, he's like, no, no, no.

00:25:02.140 And everybody's after him.

00:25:03.180 The police is after everybody's after him.

00:25:05.060 The CIA knows.

00:25:07.420 That's not him, but they can't let on because they're going to figure out their, the CIA's real plan.

00:25:14.700 So Cary Grant is being destroyed by everybody.

00:25:18.460 Nobody's standing up between that being your kind of character, at least in my head and, and the awesome betrayal of your country, uh, and your fellow intelligence people and the FBI.

00:25:37.200 I, I have a hard time getting my arms around that, but let's stick, stick to the story here.

00:25:43.520 I've not heard, I've not heard the story of, I know they tried to recruit you years ago as you know, when you were over in Russia.

00:25:54.720 Not true.

00:25:55.980 This is a, again, more spin, right?

00:26:00.300 People are looking.

00:26:01.380 I, some of these cases, which have now been disclosed by government operatives trying to smear me as a way to damaging candidate, president elect and president Trump.

00:26:16.100 It, there's so much more to the, to the story and I have never been quote unquote recruited.

00:26:24.740 You know, I think some of these case studies, which have been, uh, the Mueller report and other, uh, other things that are very misleading.

00:26:34.580 Um, you know, there are these individuals, these, uh, alleged, uh, Russian agents, a couple of guys I, you know, would have casual conversations with no big deal.

00:26:51.080 No one ever asked me to do anything.

00:26:53.760 No one in Russia ever asked me to do anything unethical, illegal, or, you know, really in support of their government as a agent or any, any, anything along those lines.

00:27:08.400 We're just having friendly conversations.

00:27:10.520 And, you know, there was a lot of elements to the first amendment of the U S constitution, freedom of the press, I think is the most well known, but there's also freedom of speech and freedom of association, freedom of association.

00:27:22.800 And so if I'm having a conversation with someone, you know, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that.

00:27:30.300 I've never been asked to do anything unethical, illegal, or questionable in any way by any of these individuals.

00:27:37.620 And so, you know, okay, so that's where that left.

00:27:40.240 Yeah.

00:27:40.420 So then what about the part of the story where you go to the FBI and you say, Hey, I can help you, uh, catch some bad guys.

00:27:50.920 Truth to that one.

00:27:51.940 Well, yes and no.

00:27:54.540 There is a, again, I had a longstanding relationship with people, you know, within both the FBI and CIA.

00:28:02.620 And I was someone who's going back to kind of the, the news and related, uh, you know, telling the truth.

00:28:11.280 I'm someone who has definitive insights of what's happening in the middle East, in Russia, in China, a lot of, you know, worldwide.

00:28:22.280 And so we had a, we had a dialogue, um, and so, you know, it's less, I mean, again, these, these two specific, uh, quote unquote Russian agents who are, you know, portrayed in the Mueller report very incompletely, uh, and in many ways misleading.

00:28:41.560 And in some instances, false information, um, you know, the, uh, they're just conversations I had and, you know, again, I was a supporting, uh, source for the U S intelligence community.

00:28:56.500 And, you know, it's unfortunate that again, bearing in mind the original impetus for the creation of the CIA and, you know, a lot of what the FBI did throughout the original cold war is, you know, going after Russian bad guys.

00:29:13.640 So to the extent someone can give some context and some, you know, the full perspective, uh, it's not unusual for the CIA or FBI when you are going to meet with high level business people in other countries, this is common that they would ask you just for perspective, right?

00:29:33.660 Well, what's interesting about it is, uh, you know, what's, what's different about, uh, my situation is typically, you know, yes, you're absolutely right that, you know, that happens a fair amount of times, uh, or, you know, on some levels.

00:29:53.340 However, what's, what is different is U S government sources leaking information about that support of individuals, right?

00:30:03.020 Particularly in a negative context in a way, which as we've been talking about is very misleading.

00:30:09.760 So, I mean, one great example I like to cite is, um, back when, uh, George H W Bush, uh, the first president Bush was, um, you know, an earlier stage of his, uh, career at, at the high, at the highest levels.

00:30:26.960 It was kind of, I think it was around his, uh, presidential campaign or something like that.

00:30:31.040 He had actually been a, you know, he had done similar to me.

00:30:35.480 He'd be an international business guy focused on the energy sector.

00:30:40.020 So, and he, he would have some meetings with people in Latin America and, you know, same as I was doing, uh, with my, uh, work worldwide, Russia, China, the middle East, you know, I would, I would provide, uh,

00:30:56.820 with some insights, but what's interesting is when that, when that news came up during his presidential campaign, you know, he always, I forget exactly how he, uh, handled it, but, you know, it was always no comment.

00:31:13.700 He never, uh, really was, uh, very forthcoming about that.

00:31:19.060 And, and I never wanted to be either, but unfortunately when, you know, when you have this false story, uh, you know, surrounding this collusion between the intelligence, uh, community, FBI, CIA, and the mainstream media, you gotta, you know, again, you gotta set this, set the records.

00:31:39.460 So that's, that's, that's no doubt in your mind that they all colluded together.

00:31:44.440 Well, I, I think it's, it's apparent on the face.

00:31:47.200 I, I, again, uh, the, look, I think one of the biggest examples is the DNC's consultants, you know, the, the bought and paid for consultants who also had, um, relationships or contractual relationships, either, even with the FBI.

00:32:08.800 We know, uh, Christopher Steele was paid, and this is through a judicial watch, freedom of information act findings, uh, within the last few years, he was paid 11 times by the FBI in the year 2016.

00:32:26.440 So while he's being paid by the DNC.

00:32:30.740 Right.

00:32:31.240 Right.

00:32:31.740 And while the, and their law and their law firm, uh, Perkins Coie.

00:32:35.400 Right.

00:32:35.860 So, and, and at the same time, the FBI decides to cut him off as a source because he's leaking things to the press.

00:32:44.720 Yes.

00:32:45.300 And then they go through somebody else in the justice department and the FBI, somebody in the FBI says, Hey, if you meet with him, you know, let us know what's going on.

00:32:54.900 I mean, they're still getting information.

00:32:56.800 Yeah.

00:32:57.040 So what does that mean to you is, is, is, is our justice department, FBI, CIA, is it fundamentally broken?

00:33:05.540 I think it is.

00:33:07.900 Well, I think elements of it are, and I think, you know, there are some people, a small handful of people at the highest levels, both within DOJ and frankly, in the White House, who are trying to fix the situation.

00:33:22.340 But, you know, there's a lot of institutional momentum and, you know, a lot of bad actors.

00:33:28.920 And these people are individuals who have worked together going back many years or even decades.

00:33:35.260 Right.

00:33:35.820 So, um, you know, you look out for your, your, your brethren, if you will, you look out, you watch each other's backs.

00:33:43.240 Exactly.

00:33:45.100 So, um, with the Russians, um, it's even, it seems even more clear, uh, to me, um, if you hadn't been recruited, um, or attempted to recruit,

00:34:13.240 never, um, that the FISA warrant for you is even weaker than I thought it was.

00:34:21.020 And it, so let's go through the FISA warrant.

00:34:23.680 What did they accuse you of to the judges?

00:34:28.120 Well, what's, I think the most interesting element of it is it's been partially declassified, right?

00:34:34.960 You know, it's about 400 pages, you know, give or take, uh, a hundred pages for each of the, you know, the first warrant in October, 2016, just a couple of weeks before the election.

00:34:47.200 Right.

00:34:47.840 And then the renewals, uh, right during the transition team in January of 2017, and then two, uh, in, uh, April and June of 2017.

00:35:00.780 So, um, the problem, the reason why it's difficult to answer your question is a lot of that remains blacked out, you know, redacted.

00:35:11.980 All right.

00:35:12.920 There are, you know, you see it, I've never seen it.

00:35:16.640 And the, the problem, and this is, you know, some of the, it speaks to a part of the, uh, illegality of all this.

00:35:24.000 There is, and you know, we've talked about, uh, the Watergate situation, you know, one, um, around the same time when that whole scandal was going on, there was a law passed by the U S Congress, the Privacy Act of 1974.

00:35:39.420 This is, it's similar to FOIA, Freedom of Information Act in many ways, which the press, uh, and other, um, private citizens can use to try to get, uh, government information.

00:35:52.320 The difference of Privacy Act is if the, if the information is actually about the individual.

00:35:57.620 So if the government holds what's known as quote unquote, a system of records about you, you're supposed, you have the right as, you know, as defined by law to review that, uh, information.

00:36:12.000 Number one, and also, you know, contested comment and request changes, right?

00:36:19.420 I have never been given that opportunity whatsoever.

00:36:22.900 And I, and I have asked that going back to May of 2017, I put in a request to the DOJ, to the FBI and to national security.

00:36:34.640 When did you know that a secret court had been convened about you and that everything you did, read, saw, typed, talked to was being monitored?

00:36:48.340 You know, I, I got some, I got some glimpses of it, uh, and, you know, there were some somewhat spec, what seemed to be somewhat speculative news reports in, you know, right before the election.

00:37:02.160 Again, this is part of the election interference campaign of, oh, there's something shady going on.

00:37:08.260 And then the intelligence community is looking into it, uh, which is totally based on, you know, falsehoods, spins, spin, and, uh, you know, biased information, you know, and had to be released by government.

00:37:24.420 Somebody.

00:37:25.100 Yeah.

00:37:25.600 Yeah.

00:37:25.780 Somebody again, you know, there's released and, you know, again, whispered or, you know, who exactly did what we're still waiting to find out, you know?

00:37:35.540 So, so, so what was your first inkling that you were being monitored?

00:37:45.300 Uh, and when did you actually know?

00:37:47.640 Well, I think, you know, probably the most definitive, uh, report about this was in April of 2017.

00:37:55.920 And that's, that's the first time that you were like, oh my gosh, they've been watching me.

00:38:00.660 So, well, it's been, you know, been is a past tense.

00:38:04.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:04.860 You know, so April, well, it's, uh, they are watching, but that was my, but the bin is, was my assumption.

00:38:11.520 Right.

00:38:12.400 And I actually asked in, in, you know, the month before in March of 2017, I had, you know, about 10 plus hours of beatings with the FBI, with FBI agents.

00:38:24.440 I mean, how, how, I know they weren't actual, I hope they weren't actual beatings, but what?

00:38:29.820 Meet meetings.

00:38:30.320 I'm sorry.

00:38:30.860 Well, meetings.

00:38:31.320 Meetings, yeah.

00:38:31.860 Okay, all right, all right.

00:38:32.640 Well, it's funny, yeah, it's funny you say that, beatings.

00:38:38.300 Literally, I would, I presented the FBI agents in March of 2017 with evidence of the death threats that I was getting, including, and I've, I've filed, you know, I've provided this in some court filings that I've submitted.

00:38:54.180 But, um, but in March, on March 20th, 2017, literally the, uh, I get this voicemail that, you know, talking about beating me over my head and with a, with a baseball bat, you know?

00:39:08.880 So, yes, I guess, inadvertently, I, I meant meetings, but we did talk about the, uh, beating, the, uh, beating threats, right?

00:39:17.100 And, you know, a lot of other death threats, getting shot, et cetera.

00:39:20.700 So, so were these meetings that they asked for, were they interrogating you or you asked for?

00:39:25.900 Well, I had a long, it's funny, right when this defamatory news article that the DNC was, and their consultants were trying to place, uh, and their associates were trying to place in the media throughout the summer of 2016, which is finally published on Friday, September 23rd, 2016.

00:39:47.940 I sent a letter to then FBI director, James Comey.

00:39:53.720 I emailed him a, a one page letter just explaining how ridiculous this whole thing was.

00:40:00.620 And I had asked in that letter, right, you know, I had offered, you know, this is, it's obvious how ridiculous these false allegations, which have been, you know, spread in the media by the Democrats are.

00:40:14.880 I think anyone with any common sense would understand that if you have any questions and you don't agree, or if I can provide any other information as I've done, you know, going back many, many years to both the FBI and CIA, give me a call.

00:40:31.580 Not only did they not call Glenn, just a couple of weeks later, they, you know, use the DNC consultant to get this fraudulent FISA approved.

00:40:44.740 And then they did it again in January of 2017.

00:40:50.500 So it wasn't until many months later, close to, you know, over five months later that in early March, one of the FBI, you know, a pair of FBI agents kind of walk up to me unannounced, uh, and, you know, say, well, we'd like to like to talk to you with you.

00:41:05.540 And they had a copy of that letter, you know, over five months later, while they're using this defamatory information spread by the Democrats and also, you know, spread throughout the mainstream media.

00:41:18.080 But you didn't know about the FISA, you didn't know what they were doing.

00:41:21.220 Well, they, they, again, there were some kind of somewhat speculative reports in, you know, right before the election.

00:41:28.240 Um, but, you know, I look, I say, you know, there's still a lot I don't know right now.

00:41:34.600 There's still a lot you don't know, you know, and you're people like you who have been really trying to dig hard to get this information on through, you know, any, any way possible in terms of, you know, asking the right questions, you know, we're still all getting blocked.

00:41:49.580 So, yes, you know, there was some hard evidence that we're getting.

00:41:53.080 We got a 480 page inspector general report, which came out in December of 2019.

00:42:00.300 But, you know, it's the tip of the iceberg.

00:42:02.760 There's so much more.

00:42:03.860 I guess I'm asking, is it kind of like a friend who thought this weekend that he had cancer?

00:42:13.620 I spent a lot of time with him this last weekend.

00:42:16.140 I'm sorry.

00:42:16.580 I'm talking, talking through that and, and he would go through periods of real despair and then real hope.

00:42:23.840 And because I've been through this before, I, I wondered how he was going to react once he got the news one way or another, because there's something about not knowing for sure that gives you a little bit of hope.

00:42:38.480 You know what I mean?

00:42:39.640 So was it, is it kind of like that moment when you find out that the government has been reading everything, been watching everything that you, you, you had a little bit of hope that maybe that's not really going on.

00:42:53.940 Glenn, look, what I know for sure.

00:42:56.920 And what I, I've known for sure for over three years already is using your analogy, there is a serious cancer that our country is suffering from based, you know, which started with this metastasizing of the Russia collusion hoax.

00:43:16.880 To me, you know, in answer to your question, that is the biggest problem and, you know, thing at the forefront of my mind.

00:43:25.600 There's a lot of things that I'm starting to do to, you know, help, help find a cure, if you will, for both myself and for our entire country.

00:43:37.940 But litigation is one of those things.

00:43:40.360 Absolutely.

00:43:42.480 Your confidence level.

00:43:43.800 I, I, I'm, I'm very confident that my case is incredibly strong.

00:43:50.940 The thing which sometimes gives me a little bit of caution is I know what's been done in federal courts by false filings by U.S. Department of Justice and private institutions, the DNC and media organizations.

00:44:11.560 In terms of some of my initial battles.

00:44:14.360 So, and look, I mean, that's kind of, that, that caution is, you know, reason for that caution is a key storyline in the inspector general report, right?

00:44:28.540 Those 17 errors and omissions.

00:44:30.240 So what, you know, the caution, you know, I know my case, if we're kind of basing things exactly upon the facts and, you know, what actually happened, I have the strongest case in the world.

00:44:42.340 The challenge becomes when you have really dishonest people hiding in the murk of secrecy, spinning and playing games.

00:44:52.600 So I went, uh, I had to go to court as I was being sued, uh, and, uh, I had, I had documents, federal documents that were given to me by a federal agent, um, who said, this has got to be exposed.

00:45:10.900 I exposed it.

00:45:12.540 What was the date, by the way?

00:45:14.640 Um, or year, what year?

00:45:17.180 Oh, it's, it's during the Obama administration.

00:45:19.680 That's the, that's my main question.

00:45:21.220 Okay.

00:45:21.600 So, uh, I had the documents, had them and showed that the government was absolutely lying and protecting their, their, you know, agenda.

00:45:35.640 Yes.

00:45:36.260 Um, and the cost of it was very high.

00:45:39.520 Well, I, I am taken to court and, uh, the government shows up and there are six.

00:45:49.680 White house attorneys and they say in open court, we will never release these documents and the court orders them to release them.

00:46:00.220 Not going to do it.

00:46:01.460 They openly defy in open court.

00:46:04.560 We're not going to release them.

00:46:07.420 Then finally, they have to release them.

00:46:10.040 And we had a stack of papers about that big, all of it redacted.

00:46:15.220 Okay.

00:46:15.700 Except a couple of words here and there and our documents, you could open up and go, okay, see plate 23.

00:46:22.380 See that word, that word's there.

00:46:24.080 But it didn't help if the government wants to destroy you and wants you to lose, who are you going to?

00:46:34.460 There's no higher court.

00:46:35.900 Who are you going to?

00:46:37.940 So you've seen this apparatus.

00:46:41.860 You've seen what they have.

00:46:43.320 They, this is Jason Bourne stuff where you're like, you know what I mean?

00:46:48.260 And people don't think that those things are real, but they are.

00:46:51.700 That kind of stuff happens when you're playing ball at a global level.

00:46:55.680 Yes.

00:46:56.600 Too much power to lose here.

00:47:01.040 What gives you the Boy Scout hope, Mr. Eagle Scout, that justice will be done for you and America?

00:47:13.400 I think there's a lot of momentum right now.

00:47:16.300 Number one, again, sort of consistent with what he's done since he came down the elevator at Trump Tower back in 2015.

00:47:26.180 The president is committed to really making America great again.

00:47:30.640 And this is a key part of it.

00:47:32.860 Right.

00:47:33.000 But is he is he hated?

00:47:35.440 My thought originally was he was really, truly hated by the press and by the other candidates because he was so unconventional.

00:47:47.380 He wasn't held to any of the same standards.

00:47:49.840 He could say crazy things.

00:47:51.460 Get away with it.

00:47:52.300 He was elected.

00:47:53.060 But my perspective now is he's hated by the power in Washington so much because whether he intends to or not, he's just exploding all over the place.

00:48:09.340 And it's exposing this entire sick, twisted game that's been played in Washington, which is more accurate.

00:48:17.780 I think they're both accurate and I think there's a coalition, if you will, between the bad actors in each of those categories that you're you're alluding to, you know, particularly in a Washington context.

00:48:34.160 A lot of those Washington bad actors who have been there for a long time, you know, know how to manipulate the system on the other side of that equation.

00:48:43.540 So it's a it's a vicious circle, if you will.

00:48:47.780 Um, what did you know about Christopher Steele before?

00:48:55.580 It's an important question, um, and it actually ties together a lot of the things you're you're alluding to.

00:49:01.860 Um, I found out in September of 2016 that the Democrats had hired some, uh, opposition, you know, consultants to dig up dirt on then candidate Trump, including myself.

00:49:21.720 And I knew that there was some entities and individuals in London who are working on this.

00:49:30.400 So again, and we started to talk about what happened in that transition period between, you know,

00:49:37.600 when I took a leave of absence from the Trump, uh, campaign and, uh, the weekend after that, uh, defamatory news report in September, 2016.

00:49:48.260 But I actually, again, when I'm having all these death threats, I, I, I went to South Africa because, you know, it was one, you know, I've done some work there before I've spent some time there.

00:50:01.360 I have colleagues and I'm like, well, maybe I can be safe here when I'm having all these death threats.

00:50:07.040 And so from South Africa in late, uh, late October, 2016, I, there is a commission, the organization of security and cooperation in Europe does an election monitoring, uh, countries around the world.

00:50:24.880 And they, they assess election interference in a lot of countries, typically, you know, more problematic in, you know, some world, third world than, than other.

00:50:34.540 But, but, you know, there was an election monitor with hundreds of monitors doing this in the United States for the 2016 election.

00:50:45.300 I sent a, uh, uh, a letter, a protest letter or kind of, you know, notification of the human rights abuses in, uh, you know, while I was down there in South Africa, you know, I emailed it to the president or the, uh, president in office, the chairman, um, the head of the OSCE.

00:51:04.540 Uh, who is, who is, who's now actually the president of, of Germany, uh, as well as, you know, the kind of the main person on the ground, uh, a British, uh, lady, um, and, uh.

00:51:16.300 What kind of abuses did you see?

00:51:17.840 Well, so to the point, that's, that's where I'm kind of leading with this.

00:51:21.280 I kind of explained the, uh, you know, this hoax, which is, which was just starting, uh, similar to what I explained to Mr. Comey, um, several weeks earlier in the, in the wake of this defamatory report.

00:51:36.000 But, um, I explained that to them and I also mentioned there is a line in there, it's about a four or five page letter, but a line in there saying that, you know, I understand that there are, uh, operatives in London, uh, who have been hired.

00:51:51.000 Uh, and I allude to the fact that they're, you know, working in concert, uh, with a law firm.

00:51:57.620 Uh, and so I notified the, uh, the OSCE, this international organization about this terrible election interference campaign, uh, to try to undermine president or candidate Trump and, uh, and American democracy.

00:52:14.240 Um, and the response, you know, I, I think someone may have asked them about it.

00:52:21.260 They ended up doing a little report, uh, right around the time of the election, kind of in the, in the days filing.

00:52:26.580 And they're like, well, and I, it's funny, I, I believe the response was words to the effect of, well, this is something that needs to be figured out by, uh, by people domestically that are like, you know, long story short, they, they gave the message of, you know, we're not going to, uh, wait into this, uh, this big story.

00:52:48.160 Okay.

00:52:48.640 So let me go through something in the Mueller report.

00:52:51.280 The investigation did not establish that page coordinated with Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

00:52:58.940 However, with incomplete evidence or testimony about who page may have met or communicated with in Moscow, his activities in Russia, as described in his emails with the Trump campaign were not fully explained.

00:53:13.000 What does that mean?

00:53:14.720 It's more spin, right?

00:53:16.940 That the three Democrat operatives who interrogated me for the, in front of the grand jury, um, you know, they had sort of the similar tone and just a really nasty approach by all of them.

00:53:30.920 Um, and look, I mean, there's just tremendous bias and tremendous spin, right?

00:53:38.760 The irony of that statement you just met, uh, read Glenn was think about it.

00:53:45.520 I have been, I was under surveillance for a year.

00:53:48.320 They've gone through everything, you know, and they couldn't find anything because nothing existed, but they couldn't find anything to advance their false, you know,

00:54:00.580 DNC crafted storyline.

00:54:03.620 So just kind of throw some more final dirt as you're kind of walking out the door and going back to your, your big time law firms and spending that, uh, to advance your personal career at the cost of myself, but so many others.

00:54:18.920 And again, I always bear in mind with this, uh, fake Mueller report that, you know, the, uh, obviously they have a lot of hatred for me and a lot of other Trump, uh, you know, members of the Trump movement.

00:54:31.580 But at the end of the day, they, they really just hate our president right now.

00:54:36.180 Did you ever come across any of them, any of them at any level that were like, dude, I'm sorry to have to ask you this.

00:54:47.120 Or I, I think, you know, it, was there any indication anyone at any time was seeing the abuse that from the inside?

00:54:56.480 Well, that, that's sort of the sad part about it, Glenn.

00:54:58.960 Cause I, again, I, so, and it's in the Mueller report that I had five meetings with the FBI in March of 2017, you know, couple, uh, couple months after the inauguration.

00:55:10.900 Um, and towards the end of those five meetings, you know, they're grilling me pretty hard.

00:55:15.660 You know, these are kind of up to close to three hours or, you know, um, you know, long sessions.

00:55:22.020 And I, and I, I always brought my laptop to those sessions and I would kind of, I'd bring like a little thumb drive to kind of give them more and more documents.

00:55:29.860 Little did I know that they had already had them.

00:55:32.780 They hacked my, uh, my computers and, you know, had been wiretapping me for, for many months.

00:55:37.940 So, you know, I kind of, the 20 bucks or whatever I spent on that USB drive, uh, they laughed kind of, well, they, no, they didn't laugh.

00:55:45.640 They're a good kind of, you know, no, I mean to themselves when they got it perhaps, but you know, and this is kind of where I'm going with this, uh, towards the end of those meetings, they said to me, well, you know, originally it was kind of asking me direct questions.

00:56:01.560 And then again, it's just so ridiculous on the face a few times they would say, you know, our bosses want, want us to ask this, right.

00:56:12.540 You know, and this is, you know, uh, then, uh, the director was, uh, Mr. Comey and the deputy director was, um, you know, McCabe.

00:56:22.780 And so, you know, I understood that, uh, you know, maybe these are, you know, there's a lot of great people in the FBI as well as the CIA and, you know, throughout our, our government.

00:56:35.900 But, you know, um, the bigger, uh, issue is, I know there was kind of high level operatives who are very partisan and political who are really just trying to, um, interfere in our election, but also cause as much damage as possible to, uh, to president Trump in the, uh, beginning then.

00:56:57.440 And, you know, in the years since, as we've unfortunately seen.

00:57:05.900 My opinion of Donald Trump has changed an awful lot, um, in some regard, um, he has, uh, not done some of the things that I thought he would do, which I thought would be very destructive.

00:57:23.420 He's done some of those things by just tweeting all the time.

00:57:27.020 Um, but he has also, uh, he's done a lot of good things and, uh, he gets no good.

00:57:35.900 Some of the policies, some of the things like this, if he can expose this and stop this, he may be the most consequential in a positive direction, uh, president since, I mean, I'd put him in Coolidge, Reagan, and even Lincoln on the amount of good that can be done.

00:58:01.520 If he can root this out, but he doesn't seem to have any allies.

00:58:08.260 And I talked to senators and congressmen and quite honestly, in private, they'll tell me how spooked they are by all of it.

00:58:18.440 That's a real scary thing.

00:58:21.780 Can president Trump.

00:58:25.620 Stop this.

00:58:26.520 Well, you know, I, and I, I, I mentioned as a, uh, international fugitive, Mike, going to South Africa, and I actually went to, uh, the home of Nelson Mandela in, you know, his hometown, the Soweto, uh, near, near Johannesburg.

00:58:43.400 And really, you know, what he went through is very much similar to what, uh, president Trump has gone through and really.

00:58:54.740 Oh my gosh.

00:58:55.200 Is that going to cause a media storm?

00:58:57.440 Just saying that.

00:58:58.560 Well, harder page compares Nelson Mandela and Donald Trump.

00:59:03.160 There's evidence that the CIA was involved in, you know, some of when, uh, when Mandela was trying to create some change in South Africa during the apartheid regime, CIA, you know, which had, uh, close, you know, the U S government had ties with, uh, with South Africa.

00:59:24.340 And they were trying to keep things, you know, the establishment, uh, sort of heading in the direction that is in, you know, the way they, they want things to go.

00:59:35.720 And here's a guy, you know, similar to, uh, candidate Trump who's trying, you know, trying to shake things up and make things go in a, a better new direction for their country.

00:59:47.440 Um, and I think there's another similarity between those two is when someone has a, such a, um, goes through those trials, you know, he spent, uh, you know, I spent time in Cape town too.

01:00:04.040 Um, and, uh, you know, he was in jail in, uh, in an, on an Island there for, I think 17 years or something like that.

01:00:12.480 Um, that makes you stronger in a lot of ways, right.

01:00:16.720 To kind of understand that corruption and these people who are coming after you so aggressively, it only makes you stronger if you can kind of go through that crucible and, uh, um, emerge victorious.

01:00:33.100 And I think we're, I think similar to, uh, you know, all the impact that, uh, uh, president Mandela has, it's, it's very similar in many ways.

01:00:43.220 Do you, um, if you hadn't had something, uh, if you had had something to hide anything, cause I've, I've lived a life where we have people going through our garbage.

01:01:00.440 And my wife and I just laughed when we found out people were going through our garbage, um, because we were an open book.

01:01:08.900 Can you speak to the being an open book and how that, uh, how important that is when you go through something like this?

01:01:21.460 Well, again, you know, I think that just to sort of finish the thought, uh, with those meetings in March of 2017, right.

01:01:30.060 And being that open book, that information, which I'm giving to the FBI, again, similar to what you've experienced and, you know, what we've, uh, what we've been talking about, it gets spun, right?

01:01:45.900 You know, sometimes it's the old, uh, Miranda rights statement, uh, anything you say can and will be used against you.

01:01:53.380 And these people are very creative when they have a agenda, both inside government, you know, bureaucracies, but also political operatives in government, but also in the media and the kind of the intersection between those two institutions.

01:02:09.140 And unfortunately, you know, it can have a very big negative impact, but a couple of, a couple of thoughts, this Ukraine story, this whole impeachment, I believe, and I'd love to hear your thoughts are just a, almost a coverup of all of this.

01:02:33.820 They, Nancy Pelosi didn't impeach because they didn't have anything, but once Trump started going to somebody that just might be crazy enough to say, yeah, I want to clean up my country that the democratic party and operatives did not have control of, uh, they came out fast.

01:02:53.900 We have to spin the story before the story before the story is spun against us.

01:02:59.260 Would you agree with that?

01:03:00.540 110% and, you know, I, and I, there's tons of evidence that, that directly supports that.

01:03:07.340 Tons.

01:03:08.580 It's not coming out that way because the press is running, you know, all of the, all the plays for them.

01:03:15.060 Um, but these, the, the, the same tactics used against you.

01:03:23.900 Are, are, are still being run, uh, for instance, Rudy Giuliani was America's mayor.

01:03:34.580 He was the guy who put the Gambino crime family away, you know, and, uh, you know, I, I look at anybody who can really be effective in New York and know you probably, you're probably, you know, talking to some people that, you know, 1.00

01:03:50.120 the good folks back in Iowa are not necessarily talking to, as Rudy said, you can't investigate the crime families unless you have some sources inside the crime families to help do it.

01:04:05.260 That's, I believe what he was doing over in there.

01:04:11.180 He's the president's attorney trying to find out first, who's, how's this Russia thing going on?

01:04:17.060 How is your FISA?

01:04:18.260 How did that happen?

01:04:19.320 Where did that happen?

01:04:20.160 Leaves them right to Ukraine. 1.00

01:04:21.560 And now we don't know the, the guy who was America's mayor, the guy who put the Gambino's away now is Russian operative, dirty, colluding. 0.77

01:04:38.520 And, and, and, and, and the same thing that happened to you is happening to him.

01:04:47.280 Again, I, I'm always very cautious.

01:04:49.180 I, I've never met, uh, mayor Giuliani.

01:04:52.020 Um, but on the face of it, so many elements of that story, I think you're absolutely right.

01:04:58.500 You know, from what I, from what I can gather as a third party and, uh, as an outsider, uh, I definitely see those, those repeats happening.

01:05:08.720 Both for him, but also.

01:05:10.360 Everybody.

01:05:10.880 Well, well, directly, uh, the guy that they're really trying to take down, which is the person in the Oval Office.

01:05:18.000 Yep.

01:05:18.640 And, uh, where is, uh, what's this going to mean in the end here?

01:05:27.480 What, how do you think this plays out?

01:05:30.380 I think it's, we're at a really critical time and people need to take very serious steps.

01:05:36.920 And I know you've, uh, you've often had, uh, Ted Cruz, Senator Cruz from the great state of Texas here.

01:05:44.020 Um, he has been, you know, a growing force to really fight back against this, uh, bureau, you know, this bureaucratic malfeasance.

01:05:54.720 And, uh, and, uh, and he's, he, he has really been a great inspiration, but I think there's, uh, you know, quite a few individuals.

01:06:03.180 Um, and again, you need, you need support, you know, as, as you're correctly alluding to, it's, it's a lot more difficult when you, uh, try to do things on your own.

01:06:12.020 I've talked to senators.

01:06:13.760 There are a lot of senators that just don't want to get into whistleblower stuff and all that in the impeachment trial.

01:06:21.480 Should they?

01:06:22.180 Well, I think, uh, again, all of this is the tip of the iceberg.

01:06:28.980 I think any, I know, uh, Senator Cruz has sort of started to say that, uh, in terms of, uh, you know, let's, if you want witnesses, you know, you want, uh, John Bolton and people like that.

01:06:42.600 Okay, fine.

01:06:43.420 But we need reciprocity, right?

01:06:45.300 We need sort of an equal approach.

01:06:47.320 And I believe, you know, from all the sort of basic evidence that if all, if that actually happened, it would be a complete disaster for the Democrats, given all the.

01:07:00.260 And the state department and the intelligence and the FBI, which makes me think, you know, the, the, the, you keep saying tip of the iceberg.

01:07:08.520 Yes.

01:07:09.200 Well, the iceberg above the water is here.

01:07:11.860 It's this.

01:07:12.820 Yes.

01:07:13.040 Nobody sees that is the real problem.

01:07:16.040 Exactly.

01:07:16.640 How big is what's underneath the surface that would none of, none of us have seen.

01:07:23.180 It's funny.

01:07:25.400 I've talked about that and I've had various assumptions over time.

01:07:29.780 And, you know, just, uh, back in December, uh, in December, 2019, we get this big IG report and, you know, I always knew it was bad.

01:07:40.200 We get this interim IG report, 480 pages with showing more evidence.

01:07:47.020 So it, it just keeps getting worse and worse.

01:07:49.280 So bar a guy who will clean this up or attempt to clean it, clean it up.

01:07:54.400 I, I, I, I've never met him.

01:07:56.220 Uh, I don't know firsthand, but just sort of on a theoretical level and what, what he said in some of his speeches, it's been a great inspiration.

01:08:07.700 So, for example, his federalist society speech last year, where he kind of, he talks about some of these themes, but also at Notre Dame law school, you know, in terms of religious liberties, et cetera.

01:08:20.100 I think he is a incredible force, but he also, from what I can tell, and he faces a lot of the same challenges that president Trump has faced.

01:08:31.800 Number one, with people in the permanent bureaucracy who are not supporting him fully, uh, or anywhere near fully.

01:08:42.220 Number one, and number two, the media, right.

01:08:45.440 Anything he does is, you know, from what I've seen thus far, again, with no firsthand experience, but, um, if he just does the right things or, you know, says reality, they come after him even more aggressively.

01:09:00.160 So, for example, when the inspector general report came out on December 9th, 2019, and two days later, the, uh, um, you know, Mr. Horowitz testified in the Senate judiciary, he made some statements that just showed, you know, sort of underscored how serious this problem is.

01:09:21.280 And a lot of, a lot of people in the media that week were saying, oh, he's just quote unquote, the president's lawyer, a personal lawyer, kind of, kind of a fixer.

01:09:31.840 No, he's just stating reality.

01:09:34.460 And again, sometimes those headwinds of the media, negative media forces, as well as a permanent bureaucracy forces are pretty strong.

01:09:45.840 But I think in each instance, Attorney General Barr and President Trump have great strength of character and great, uh, great leadership skills.

01:09:57.000 So I'm cautiously optimistic.

01:10:02.120 A few years ago, when you first joined the Trump campaign, I imagine with your record, with your international skills,

01:10:12.760 there would be a possibility of you, you know, not saying that you did think this, but thinking, my, I could go anywhere from here.

01:10:21.900 I could be an ambassador because I've, I've served, I've done these things.

01:10:26.280 I know these countries.

01:10:27.240 I know these people.

01:10:30.920 Not probably on your horizon, at least today.

01:10:36.920 What is the net?

01:10:38.320 Where do you go from here?

01:10:39.940 You're certainly not going into media.

01:10:41.720 Um, I mean, I would think that the president, uh, when he sees an injustice, maybe he, he does put you in to serve someplace, but how are you going to get that passed?

01:11:00.100 You know, how are you going to do that?

01:11:01.340 Where do you go?

01:11:02.160 What do you do?

01:11:02.860 Well, look, it's the same challenge.

01:11:04.840 I think to your point, uh, anyone that had sort of his similar worldview, um, the permanent bureaucracy and Democrat forces and the media came after them five times more aggressively.

01:11:22.280 Right.

01:11:23.340 So, I mean, I think a good example, let's, so this, uh, when that Isikoff report came out that, uh, on Friday, September 23rd, 2016, over the weekend, they've got this, uh, is a joy read show on MSNBC and who's with her, but, uh, or with that.

01:11:44.280 They're with, uh, so Isikoff is a guest talking about his big, uh, defamatory report and, um, with, with her, uh, with the two of them is ambassador, Michael McFaul, who was, uh, Obama's ambassador to Russia.

01:12:01.100 And he and I have sparred over the years, but similarly, right around the time of the election, uh, in November, uh, 2016, I believe he tweeted out that is Carter Page going to be the ambassador to Russia.

01:12:16.200 And I mean, it was, uh, it's one of those things where, um, they really, these headwinds, it just, it's such a huge challenge, not only just fighting this permanent bureaucracy, but also, um, the, uh, the problems with, um, individuals, right.

01:12:38.560 You know, who I think along the lines of what you're, what you're leading into, you know, who's going to want to deal with that.

01:12:45.040 I, I actually met a, um, a person who's, who is, uh, still in the administration, worked on the campaign and I met one of their family members, uh, this year, or I, sorry, uh, last year in 2019.

01:12:59.760 And, you know, they said to me that going through all of this, you know, Mueller witch hunt and related processes, I mean, it's, these are huge costs and, you know, people are on a government salary.

01:13:14.360 And the legal costs involved.

01:13:18.220 So it's, uh, it really is quite daunting.

01:13:21.480 And I, and I, again, this is, this is another example where I'm, I'm more concerned about, you know, number one, our country and what this has done to so many innocent individuals and the serious costs they've paid.

01:13:34.320 Right. And I, I mean, I, I said, I, I expressed my apologies to their, to their family, uh, saying that, and part of it, I think this gets to their point, right?

01:13:45.320 What do you, where do you go from here? How do you, how do you deal with this?

01:13:47.980 I think anything I can do to help fix this fundamental system can have a very positive impact.

01:13:57.380 And it's a way of serving that can be very, uh, an important force, uh, and maybe even a more important force outside of government.

01:14:08.360 And I, you know, just knowing your show and kind of getting the word out that, um, there are, there's a lot, uh, there's huge value and, you know, your, the service you do is, uh, is great.

01:14:22.480 And just, just to finish a point, um, we were talking about this DNI report in January of 2017 and the government propaganda, uh, just I, when that Yahoo news defamatory article came out in September, 2016, about 45 days before the election or so radio free Europe, which is government, U S government sponsored propaganda outlet rebroadcast that.

01:14:50.800 And in a defamation context, if you rebroadcast something, you know, it's, it's also illegal.

01:14:58.300 All right.

01:14:59.180 So this is a U S government, uh, funded media propaganda outlet, which is putting out this, uh, false report.

01:15:08.700 And, you know, like we were saying about even CNN, uh, uh, New York times, Washington post, wall street journal, they, they really steered clear of this false, these,

01:15:20.620 you know, these false libelous allegations, but here you are, here you have a, uh, Obama administration led, uh, media agency, government propaganda agency, which is advancing this false story.

01:15:38.020 Industry paid for by your tax and all of our tax dollars.

01:15:42.560 And so radio for Europe that year in 2016, I believe, I don't have the statistics in front of me, but I believe it was around over a hundred million dollars a year organization paid for by, uh, your taxpayer dollars.

01:15:56.900 And smearing you to make sure you don't perhaps have a good name overseas.

01:16:02.200 And well, the, the interesting thing, uh, not only overseas, there was a change of the law right in the middle of the Obama administration, the national defense authorization act of 2013.

01:16:16.900 It said they changed the law.

01:16:19.540 These propaganda agencies were created, you know, similar to the CIA, they were created at the outset, you know, right at the beginning of the cold war.

01:16:28.720 And then I believe in the 1940s and through the, by law, these organizations could never transmit into the United States.

01:16:39.640 These are foreign, you know, operations, government operations to try to influence opinion in foreign jurisdictions, particularly sort of Warsaw pact and former Soviet union.

01:16:54.140 They changed the law in, uh, right in the, around the middle of the Obama administration, um, to change that law to say, now you can broadcast into the United States.

01:17:08.280 So that 2016 was the first time ever, uh, a first presidential election where, you know, they're, they're unleashed, right?

01:17:19.300 This, uh, rabid dogs of disinformation are unleashed and advancing, uh, political objectives against, uh, innocent U.S. citizens, including candidate Trump in September of 2016.

01:17:38.280 And you're, you're, you, you're very loyal to him.

01:17:45.060 I mean, you have, you've made this, not about you.

01:17:48.380 You've always pointed out it's about him.

01:17:51.120 Uh, it's about our country.

01:17:52.460 Let me, let me, let me correct you briefly.

01:17:55.560 He all, and it was an inspiration.

01:17:57.900 It's, it's been sort of my modus operandi.

01:18:00.920 He always said during the campaign in 2016, and he said it throughout the time since, you know, what he, he, what he personally went through and he's gone through so much more than, than I could ever even imagine.

01:18:14.520 But he always says, you know, he had a quote, it's not about me, it's about us, right?

01:18:20.000 This is about a movement to have positive change in our country.

01:18:24.480 And that, you know, I think when I sort of have this philosophy, it sort of is understanding the value of that.

01:18:32.660 But also, you know, just to be clear, I never even met, uh, Donald J. Trump, you know, either as a candidate or in the years since, or any time even before the campaign.

01:18:44.240 To have never met.

01:18:45.480 No.

01:18:45.900 And that's the interesting thing in the, the, uh, the, the, the false spin, right?

01:18:51.160 You, uh, our volunteer committee, uh, had one meeting in, uh, I believe it was somewhere around March 31st, 2016, about a week or so after we were announced.

01:19:06.140 I had previously booked a trip out, uh, uh, to meet with, uh, top military leaders in Hawaii, U.S. Pacific Command, uh, which is, again, it was another one of these kind of off the record meetings,

01:19:19.000 but it, it has been leaked in the time since, so, um, I think it's, it's, it's been acknowledged.

01:19:24.740 But, you know, I'm, I'm with, uh, a lot of top admirals and generals, you know, fellow military veterans, and in, uh, you know, 5,000 miles away from this one meeting of our committee.

01:19:36.740 And so, and I, I, you know, I had already kind of prearranged this.

01:19:40.340 My, my travel is all set, and I'm, I'm, I'm on the other side of the.

01:19:45.700 What would you say to him if you saw him, if you met him?

01:19:49.000 Just, I, I think it, just to express appreciation for how much he's done to help improve our country and to advance these, uh, these elements.

01:19:59.160 But also, I think, you know, to your point about, um, you know, serving within an administration, I just understanding some of the operatives and just how, how much malfeasance.

01:20:11.740 And again, it goes back to the, our tip of the iceberg point, and there's just so much more when you start digging into details about this.

01:20:20.620 And I think explaining some of those details and just looking at the, uh, all the, you know, making sure that, you know, you have the full scope of the wrongdoing.

01:20:31.400 And again, so perfect example are these ridiculous, uh, impeachment hearings in 2019, whether, you know, all these people who are just telling their personal stories.

01:20:45.220 And it's, it's like the, uh, you know, some New York times opinion columns these people are given no facts, no kind of firsthand facts whatsoever.

01:20:55.040 Just opinion, uh, and disagreement, you know, to that point, when people are consistently smashed, who have, who share a similar worldview to our commander in chief, what's left is the, uh, permanent political class in these, uh, these operatives who have perpetuated these negative forces.

01:21:21.120 But we'll see how it all plays out.

01:21:24.520 Hopefully, uh, it plays out, um, well, and plays out well for you in court, uh, going after, uh, the government and the media.

01:21:37.200 And, uh, it goes well for the president and anyone else who has been smeared and wronged and the bad guys go to jail.

01:21:44.820 I'd like to still believe that happens in America. 0.62

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01:21:48.940 Thanks so much.

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 30, 2020

Ep 65 ｜ Smeared by the DNC and FBI, Carter Page is Unafraid to Fight Back ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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