The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 75 ｜ The Best Argument to Save America from Socialists ｜ Charlie Kirk ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 I recently sat down with Charlie Kirk for his podcast. He is the founder of probably one of

00:00:07.380 the most important political organizations in America and becoming the world. Turning Point

00:00:13.200 USA is a collection of people in high school and college campuses that dare to question authority,

00:00:20.860 that dare to think out of the box, to dare to think beyond political correctness and what

00:00:26.920 everyone is supposed to say. These are people that are looking for true freedom and they have

00:00:33.180 real principles behind them. And it comes from their leader, Charlie Kirk. This is his podcast,

00:00:39.420 but I find him so intriguing and so smart and his comments and his questions all throughout this

00:00:45.960 podcast. I wanted you to hear Charlie Kirk in an interview about arguing with socialists,

00:00:52.280 something that he does on college campuses every single day. This is Charlie Kirk on the Glenn Beck

00:00:58.720 podcast. Hey, everybody. I am honored today to be joined by someone that has had a very big influence

00:01:17.060 on my life. I was listening to his radio show and watching his television program after school.

00:01:25.680 Boy, when I was in a freshman year in high school and sophomore year in high school,

00:01:29.960 none other than the incredible leader, Glenn Beck. Glenn, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:36.040 Thank you very much, Charlie. Thank you.

00:01:38.620 You have a new book out, Arguing with Socialists. I'm excited to talk to you about it and dive into it.

00:01:45.420 First, tell us why you wrote this book and just a quick summary about it. And then I'd love to dive

00:01:50.480 into some some questions about socialism in general and the kind of the trend of the country.

00:01:55.800 So I wrote it because if you remember right, probably when you were a freshman or a sophomore 0.99

00:02:01.640 in high school, I put another book out called Arguing with Idiots. And this is kind of the follow up of 0.95

00:02:09.000 that. And the reason why we use this format, it's you know, it's got all kinds of it's a graphic novel in some

00:02:17.200 ways. It's got all kinds of charts and pictures and cartoons and everything else. And I did it that way in

00:02:24.640 Arguing with Idiots because I'm riddled with ADD. And so it's something that you could just pick up. You can use it as a 0.99

00:02:32.220 reference book. You can read it cover to cover. You can use it any way you want. But the reason I came

00:02:39.480 back to this format is over the years, I've heard from so many people who are now your age that say

00:02:45.340 they got that book or they got an inconvenient book or or broke, which was in this format. And they used

00:02:52.700 it because the last 100 pages in this book are all footnotes and they're not footnotes to the Heritage

00:02:59.760 Foundation. They're all footnotes to things that your lefty friends will accept. And we really did

00:03:08.060 our homework so you can have the arguments, the intelligence arguments with the sources that they

00:03:14.660 will accept as truth to be able to take this argument apart on socialism because it is an absolute

00:03:22.140 lie that it seems like every 20 years or so we have to defeat.

00:03:27.920 I totally agree. I remember arguing with idiots. I remember reading it and I loved the pictures and 1.00

00:03:33.700 the charts throughout. And so I won't necessarily get into, therefore, I repeat myself arguing with

00:03:41.520 socialists, arguing with, you could fill in the rest, but that's a different conversation.

00:03:46.240 I'm sure someone said that before. My favorite book of yours is actually The Overton Window.

00:03:51.200 I think that had a tremendous contribution to the conservative zeitgeist over the last couple

00:03:57.900 years, especially to how we view the ever-changing new normal of how the left basically changes the

00:04:07.020 goalpost, if you will. But I think The Overton Window actually describes that a lot better.

00:04:11.840 I do want to ask the question, Glenn, as we dive into the specifics of the book,

00:04:16.460 do you think that the socialists are currently winning? I mean, it might be, you might say it's

00:04:22.160 a tie, but do you think as things are happening right now in our country, do you think the socialists

00:04:27.620 are winning?

00:04:28.120 I think because it's a global movement, I would have to say yes. Here in America, I'm afraid that the

00:04:38.920 dropping out of Bernie Sanders is going to be viewed as a win. And I don't believe it is. Bernie is never,

00:04:47.400 he was never the guy to lead the nation and be the president. He was a great catalyst for change and

00:04:54.900 a great message bearer for many people. And I think he's more of the Barry Goldwater

00:05:03.060 of the far left. Barry Goldwater, you know, was torn apart by the press and just decimated in the

00:05:12.120 election. But Ronald Reagan came out of the Goldwater campaign and so many others that were about your

00:05:20.140 age in the 1960s. And that's what led to the Reagan revolution. So I'm not concerned about

00:05:26.440 Bernie Sanders and what we fight today. He has, he has used this time to plant the seeds deeply into

00:05:35.460 people. And if you, if you understand people of your age, you can understand why socialism is so

00:05:44.900 popular in a way. Um, you know, you were probably born around nine 11, maybe your first memory might

00:05:51.500 be of nine 11, maybe. Um, and so what that was, you felt unsafe. The world was coming undone. The

00:06:00.060 markets were coming undone. Maybe people lost their jobs, et cetera, et cetera. We went to war. Then your

00:06:06.940 next big memory of the world is 2008 and the government bails out all of these banks and people

00:06:14.360 get screwed and mom and dad might lose a job or lose their house. And then we have the great recession

00:06:19.280 and now COVID-19. This seems like a system that just doesn't work. It seems like a very unsafe way to

00:06:28.700 live. It seems like something where you're always constantly losing your foothold. You're, you're just

00:06:35.380 getting ahead and then it's taken away from you again. That's the mindset of so many people your

00:06:41.540 age and younger. They see their parents struggling like this and they think this isn't fair. This

00:06:46.940 isn't right. And when it happens, the big guys get bailed out and mom and dad don't, I don't want

00:06:53.040 anything to do with this. And I think that's a very real, uh, understanding of what we're facing right

00:07:01.300 now. That is so well put. I want to ask about some of the more philosophical roots of socialism,

00:07:07.880 but before I do, I want to compliment, um, your comparison of Senator Sanders with Barry Goldwater,

00:07:15.780 uh, cause Barry Goldwater was ahead of his time in a lot of different ways, despite his views on

00:07:20.540 abortion, which, uh, people, I actually think he was misguided on that particular topic. He, he,

00:07:26.160 he led a conservative revolution where we saw people, not just Ronald Reagan, as you put,

00:07:31.620 but you started to see the real movement. Conservatives start to have a voice versus the

00:07:36.180 Rockefeller Romney Bush wing of the Republican party that finally had a sizable challenge.

00:07:42.260 Ronald Reagan did the speech time for choosing, um, in 1976, I think, or was it 72? It was one of

00:07:49.400 choosing was time of choosing was I think 64. I think 64 may have been 68.

00:07:56.220 I'm not sure, but it was in the sixties. So then you, you correct me. Uh, thank you. And then of

00:08:02.980 course he then challenged Ford in 76 is what I was thinking of. Correct. Unsuccessfully. Uh,

00:08:09.740 but leading the way to the conservative Renaissance and the revolution, I think Senator Sanders has a

00:08:14.220 lot of, uh, that's similarities there. My question though, Glenn, is how do you define? And it's funny

00:08:19.080 that say, if I may, I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's, it's interesting to note that the reason why

00:08:25.420 Sanders was blocked, uh, by Hillary Clinton was because of the system that the Democrats put in 0.96

00:08:32.340 after the Reagan revolution, they saw Reagan come in and just decimate the, the Republicans,

00:08:40.420 the, the standard Rhino and said, my gosh, you know, a, a rogue group of people could take over

00:08:46.700 these parties. So they put in all of these things with this, you know, with the super delegates and

00:08:51.680 everything else. That's what stopped Bernie Sanders this, this last time with Hillary Clinton.

00:08:56.600 Uh, and it all came because Reagan was such a rebel and completely changed the face of the

00:09:04.100 Republican party, at least while he was alive. And the, to credit to the Republican party,

00:09:10.400 I don't always go out of my way to compliment the Republican infrastructure to keep that intact,

00:09:15.440 allowed Donald Trump to win the nomination and not the heir apparent Jeb Bush or somebody else

00:09:20.900 within the establishment mold. So Glenn, I want to ask, how do you define socialism?

00:09:25.760 Cause when I go to college campuses, when I talk about socialism, going back to the roots of Marx,

00:09:32.220 Rousseau and Plato, abolition of private property, the deconstruction of the idea of a market-based

00:09:38.840 system, a lot of socialists will say, no, no, that's not real socialism. Let me tell you what

00:09:43.940 real socialism is. I think that we have, sometimes we're talking past each other. I'm not,

00:09:48.980 don't have an agreement on commonality of terms. Can you, uh, tell our audience how you define

00:09:54.380 socialism? Yeah, well, I define socialism same way you define socialism. Um, you know,

00:10:00.420 the thing that you, that you need to use, um, uh, with people is who are socialists,

00:10:07.160 ask them to define communism because communism gets this bad rap. Communism is the gulags is the,

00:10:14.220 the military state. Socialism is the happy place. That's the exact opposite of what Marx talked about.

00:10:20.840 Communism has never been done. If you look at the USSR, it's the United Soviet socialist states. Um,

00:10:28.240 that that's what they were, the Republic. Um, they were socialist. Communism has never truly been

00:10:35.040 achieved. Communism is the utopia. Communism is when we all are just going to put our,

00:10:40.600 our money in a big pile and there's no big strong arm and we all are living happily ever after.

00:10:46.100 That's communism. Socialism is the step in between the free market and that happy place.

00:10:54.900 Socialism is where you have to have the reeducation camps. It's where you have to 1.00

00:10:59.280 silence dissent. It's where you need a strong arm man to be able to push it through so you can get to

00:11:07.820 the happy place. Um, you know, one of the things that I did, and I'm just looking at the, um, uh,

00:11:14.140 the book, the first chapter, I, I brought up this very point. We have to,

00:11:18.680 we have to define these terms or we're just talking past each other.

00:11:23.380 So in the book, in the first chapter, socialism, any various economic and political theories

00:11:29.380 advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production

00:11:34.500 and distribution of goods, democratic socialism features the same system of collective ownership

00:11:41.540 and management of property inherent in every other socialist system, along with all of its problems.

00:11:46.860 The only difference is the, and the adherents also pinky swear that they'll never support any form

00:11:52.680 of government other than the one that the elections, um, with are democratically held as if democracy

00:11:59.600 somehow or another manages to magically guarantee there won't be tyranny. Swedish style, socialism,

00:12:06.820 a mythical correction, uh, creation invented by socialists desperately looking for proof that socialism works.

00:12:14.580 Communism, then real world communism, and then capitalism and free market capitalism with a security net.

00:12:21.460 And this is where, this is where we really get, um, we, we can make points.

00:12:27.340 When people talk about capitalism, we are not doing capitalism. We haven't had capitalism in I don't

00:12:35.780 know how long. What we have is capitalism and cronyism combined. We have the worst of both parts.

00:12:43.640 Um, and when the, when the capitalists understand that they can, uh, cozy up to the government and get special

00:12:51.840 favors, it's just as bad as anything else. We must have the freedom away from the government

00:12:59.540 interference. Government should never get involved in anybody's business except for holding people

00:13:06.740 accountable. If I'm selling you something that I knew was dangerous, uh, and it, it, it, it, you know,

00:13:14.280 it violates everything good and decent, you know, uh, the government should be able to step in and say

00:13:20.380 punishment for that. The government should be able to step in and say punishment for this if you're

00:13:25.420 ripping people off. But other than that, stay out of business government, stay out of business.

00:13:30.760 Just make sure it's fair for everyone. I, I, that is so well said. I'm just taking,

00:13:37.380 taking notes here cause you're, you're kind of jogging, uh, some other questions. So, so Glenn,

00:13:42.400 I also find that when I argue with socialists and I've already, I've already ordered my copy,

00:13:47.220 I can't wait for it to arrive. I think there's a little bit of a shipping lag time, but everyone

00:13:50.620 should go buy their copy right now. Um, when I argue with socialists, it seems that we have such a

00:13:55.140 big disconnect in human nature that the socialists and the communists and the Marxists going back to

00:14:02.620 Rousseau and before that Plato, they believe that if we were able to solve our material inequality,

00:14:10.120 somehow human beings would become better people or almost human nature is not flawed. Naturally,

00:14:16.220 they don't believe in the idea that human beings are naturally inclined towards sin, greed, or self

00:14:22.600 interest. Do you dive into this at all in the book? Or do you speak about this? Cause I think

00:14:26.980 a lot of the motivations of the Marxists and the socialists are, I think the flawed idea that they

00:14:33.060 can fix a lot of the issues in society as long as they fix the material inequality around it.

00:14:39.880 Yeah, I do dive into it. And I dive into the fact that socialism just denies human nature. It denies

00:14:48.400 reality. Uh, some of the most miserable people that you'll ever find are very, very wealthy,

00:14:53.580 famous people. Well, on the lower end of the spectrum, everyone would say, I just want to be

00:14:58.400 rich and famous. Well, no, you don't look at the rich and famous people. Many of them are miserable

00:15:03.560 because that's not a solution to the human condition. In many ways, that is a barrier to the

00:15:10.100 human condition that just makes everything exaggerated. And, and you, once you obtain it,

00:15:17.320 you realize how empty it is. That is denying human nature that, that happiness comes from within

00:15:25.160 some of the happiest people I've ever met. I mean, some of the best Christians I've ever met

00:15:29.800 are the ones that were slaves from ISIS that we went in and rescued, had nothing, lost everything,

00:15:38.120 lost their children. I bring their children out of slavery. They are more faithful, uh, more,

00:15:46.040 more, uh, happy, more grateful, even in their abject poverty and conditions that none of us would be

00:15:54.840 able to handle. Then, then some of the best people I know in America, it's not the physical,

00:16:01.520 it is the internal struggle. And when you deny that there is an internal struggle, there is the good

00:16:08.940 side of man and the bad side of man. When you deny that each of us hold that and it's a constant battle

00:16:17.640 to balance which one is going to win, it all falls apart. You know, you, you, you, you lose what the

00:16:25.820 founders, uh, knew. And that is government is like a fire and it's good if you control it. But if you

00:16:37.260 don't control it, it will be controlled by others. And those with power almost always go bad.

00:16:46.000 And that human nature in those who have power over you are going to rule over you in a way that is

00:16:52.840 not benevolent. So Glenn, something that you could help me with and help our audience with,

00:16:58.300 when we talk, when we argue as socialists, I think our movement is getting better at the indictment

00:17:03.260 of socialism using real world examples, making the moral argument. But something I think we struggle

00:17:09.020 with on our side because of our politicians is painting what we actually stand for and the

00:17:15.420 alternative to socialism, which is a question I get quite often. I'm very effective at indicting

00:17:21.540 Marxism and socialism. And I think this book will instruct me even better at this. What I need to do

00:17:26.900 a better job of though, is articulating to someone who has never heard it before what we believe,

00:17:32.900 why we believe it. And it's become more difficult, Glenn, when you get 96 to nothing votes in the

00:17:37.940 United States Senate for the biggest bill ever in American history to spend $2 trillion. Can you

00:17:43.520 comment on that and build out how we address this, uh, this issue in our movement?

00:17:48.380 Yeah, let me, uh, it's the last chapter in the book, uh, free markets, free people,

00:17:53.860 and prosperity. Um, when was the last time you went to the grocery store and just stood in awe

00:17:58.840 about how truly amazing these modern marvels really are meats, breads, fruits, cheeses, green

00:18:04.820 things, vegetables, uh, as far as the eye can see and the Twinkies. Oh, the Twinkies. You can buy

00:18:10.980 dozens of them for less than 10 bucks. Grocery stores alone are remarkable places. Um, today our people

00:18:18.360 are healthier, wealthier, happier, and safer than man has ever been before. Americans generally live

00:18:24.900 long lives, even though without much wealth and high quality, affordable food is available for

00:18:30.420 every town in every, in every County. Uh, men went from farm and fire to supermarkets and space travel

00:18:38.000 in less than 200 years. Why? What happened at almost any other time in human history, going back for a

00:18:46.140 thousand years, uh, a store of comparable of your run of the mill modern grocery store would have

00:18:52.460 been considered a modern wonder of the world. Markets existed in ancient times and some important

00:18:59.200 cities. You could buy products from hundreds of miles away, but they were nothing like our modern

00:19:04.320 grocery stores where you can, in a single trip, buy apples from Washington state, oranges from Brazil,

00:19:11.000 prosciutto from Italy, chocolate from Belgium, cheese from Wisconsin, cereal from Mexico, coffee

00:19:16.660 from Columbia, milk from the nearby dairy. Some believe this is a bad thing due to carbon emissions,

00:19:22.700 but before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, let's realize what it means to the health and

00:19:27.480 welfare of the entire world to destroy the very system that man has never seen before and has

00:19:33.940 literally saved the lives of hundreds of millions of people. So I take the, I take the tact in the book

00:19:41.840 of let's just stop for a second and separate the bathwater from the baby. Don't throw it all out. 0.77

00:19:50.820 This has never been done before. It happened for a reason, a very specific reason. It's not a coincidence

00:19:57.800 that America is founded. Then all of a sudden we go from fire to electricity. It's not a coincidence.

00:20:05.800 So what is it that caused this? And throughout the book, I really tried to take an open position on,

00:20:13.180 I think that most young socialists, you know, I think Winston Churchill said, if you're not a socialist,

00:20:21.880 uh, when you're 20, you don't have a heart. If you're not a conservative, when you're 50, you don't

00:20:29.040 have a brain. Uh, yeah, it's the, it's the, the combination of the heart and the brain. So I try

00:20:36.500 to take an approach to where I say to the honest person who's looking at socialism and saying, this

00:20:42.920 might be a better way. Okay. Let's really look at what are the results and what are the results of

00:20:49.300 the free market? What are the bad things about the free market and the bad things about socialism?

00:20:54.200 What are the good things about each? When you just make that list of good versus bad, uh, on both

00:21:01.580 sides, the tables, uh, turn quickly towards free markets, not what we're doing, but towards free

00:21:11.500 markets. The, uh, the left will commonly use, uh, people's desire to make the world a better place

00:21:21.500 as a way to market socialism. And they will indict capitalism and free markets by saying, all you care

00:21:28.240 about is yourself and your own self-interest. I actually think it's moral to look out for your own

00:21:32.880 self-interest as an individual, uh, that I'm sure you've talked about quite often, Glenn, and you talk

00:21:39.060 about how we should be proud that we have individual rights that were first and foremost, human beings

00:21:43.860 created in God's image. And then from there, we create social society and civil society in the book,

00:21:49.840 Glenn, how do you make the argument to a young socialist who has grown up in 16, 18, or 20 years

00:21:58.340 of a society through government run schools, through left-wing media, and through Marxist Hollywood,

00:22:05.120 uh, uh, programming to believe that the capitalist system is exploitation and that we have to get

00:22:12.100 back to a system that is primarily one based in compassion and caring and sharing. What's your

00:22:18.620 best argument for that, Glenn? Because that's something a lot of our students face every single

00:22:22.540 day. Well, I don't know if I have the best argument, uh, for that. Um, you know, off the top of my head,

00:22:28.240 I will tell you this, the best thing that we can do is listen to those who are honestly seeking

00:22:34.160 truth and a better way. There's a lot of people that aren't a lot of people just playing politics

00:22:38.620 on both sides. They don't really care. Um, you know, uh, uh, David Horowitz talked about it. He was

00:22:45.080 a, he was a leftist in the sixties and he really believed that Vietnam was wrong and we should get

00:22:50.900 out. And, and, you know, the, the right was saying, if we get out all these people, you know,

00:22:56.060 there'd be killing fields in Cambodia. Well, we left and that's exactly what happened. And, um, 0.64

00:23:02.340 the socialist there would not recognize the truth. And that's what turned him away from that. Cause

00:23:08.080 he looked at it and went, wait a minute, guys, are we not even going to recognize that they were

00:23:11.580 right about these things? We, we might've been right about these, but what about all these dead?

00:23:17.560 And he realized they didn't really care. It was about power. That's when he got out, um, and,

00:23:23.900 and started railing against the left. So we have to look for those people who are honestly seeking

00:23:30.140 answers first. If you're not honest, if you know, one of the best questions asked of me by,

00:23:37.720 I'm trying to remember his name, uh, the scientist, uh, the group of scientists, the three of them,

00:23:42.620 uh, that just did the, uh, the bogus reports and took mine comp and, and made it in, took Jews and

00:23:49.820 made it into women. Uh, we'll get the name. One of those guys. Yeah. Uh, one of those guys was

00:23:55.320 saying to me, he said, he's an atheist and I'm a religious guy. And he said, let me ask you a

00:24:00.700 question. If I could prove to you that there is no God. And he said, I openly admit I couldn't do

00:24:08.180 that. But if I could, and I had definitive proof, there is no God. Would you admit there is no God?

00:24:16.320 And I said, well, you can't prove it, but if you could, and it was definitive. And I agreed with

00:24:22.760 the study, I could see it for my own, with my own eyes. Yes, I would. Let me ask you, you're an

00:24:29.340 atheist. If I could prove to you, which I don't think I can, that there is a God in proof, or you

00:24:34.840 could just read it and it's math. And there is a God. Would you say you're wrong about atheism and

00:24:40.340 believe in God? And he said, yes, we can have all conversations together. We can get along forever,

00:24:48.320 even though we disagree on that fundamental principle, because we are, we're not playing

00:24:54.860 games. We're honestly seeking truth. So the first thing you have to do when you're in an argument with

00:25:01.840 somebody is, are you an honest broker? Will you call your own side out? Will you admit that the

00:25:10.160 socialism of Hugo Chavez has led to death and misery and destruction? Will you admit, unlike Bernie

00:25:18.900 Sanders, that Fidel Castro, when he dies with, what was it? Eight or nine billion dollars in the bank

00:25:27.180 is not one of the people. He was raping the people. You don't, you don't, you don't, in 1950 have

00:25:35.420 nothing and then nine billion dollars just because you're a man of the people. You were stealing from

00:25:41.860 the people. While the people starved, you were taking your country's money. If you can admit those

00:25:47.680 things, I can admit the bad things about capitalism. And now we can start to look and say, okay, what do you

00:25:54.000 really want? What you really want is a better way to take care of people in need. Okay, great. Let's just look

00:26:02.260 at the numbers. How, how can we affect the most amount of people? Let me give you one example. Is it

00:26:11.380 moral? Is it moral for the white star line to not put enough lifeboats on the Titanic because they didn't want 0.52

00:26:21.360 to spend the money and they didn't want to redesign? Clearly horrible, horrible capitalists that are, 0.90

00:26:29.100 they don't care about people. They only care about their bottom line. Once those lifeboats were in the 0.97

00:26:34.860 water, was it moral for the lifeboat captain, the person that was just a passenger just a few minutes

00:26:42.400 ago? Most likely when that lifeboat was full, was it moral for them to, uh, make their way away from

00:26:52.140 all of the people in the water? Yes, it was because they all would have died. They could save 12 or 25

00:27:02.980 or however many fit in that boat, but that's all they could save. If they went back into the sea,

00:27:09.000 they would be swamped and all of them would die. That's the same thing with saving people,

00:27:15.860 um, with our country. We cannot have open borders and free stuff because we will swamp our boat and

00:27:25.740 we won't be able to save anyone. That doesn't mean that you don't, it doesn't mean that you don't

00:27:31.780 love people and want to save them. Yes. You're actually, you're using your brain and your heart.

00:27:37.160 I can't save everybody. How many can I save? Yeah. That's a very good argument for John Stuart

00:27:44.300 Mills ethics. So, uh, in a lot of ways, I think you actually appropriate appropriately applied,

00:27:49.620 um, uh, utilitarian ethics in that, in that sense. So Glenn, you, you mentioned something you want

00:27:55.600 people that want to pursue truth. A couple thoughts on that. I believe that the rise of Marxism

00:28:00.820 socialism is directly correlated with the hyper secularization of America and the spread of

00:28:07.940 atheism in America and the lack of individuals, especially students believing in a higher power

00:28:13.400 and believing in God is a gateway drug to Marxism and socialism because they don't, they don't,

00:28:18.500 they don't lack connecting to something. As soon as they don't believe in a vertical relationship with

00:28:24.480 God, they look at some sort of a connection to government. My question is this though, Glenn,

00:28:29.000 you go ahead, please. Yeah. Uh, comment on that, please. Nietzsche talked about it when he said,

00:28:33.600 God is dead. That wasn't a celebrate. That was a warning. God's dead. What are you going to replace

00:28:38.660 him with? Because people will replace God with something else. That's what happens when you don't

00:28:45.080 have God, you have to have something else that fills that space. And, and they will not admit that their

00:28:53.820 God is government, but it is, it is, it's an absolute, you can't question it. Uh, and Glenn knows

00:29:02.000 better than everybody else. And I go a step further. You have the hyper secular, uh, left right now,

00:29:09.140 since they don't believe in God and they, they won't openly admit that government is their God and

00:29:16.620 government is their church. You can look nowadays though, that the left, they almost view the medical

00:29:23.000 professionals and especially the ones in science, if you will, as untouchable religious clergy. Now, 0.98

00:29:31.320 no, no individual in any position should be untouchable. Uh, they should always be open

00:29:36.960 towards cross-examination, but you could see how the left, especially the ones on, you know,

00:29:42.360 especially the ones that are in the media, they treat it as if certain individuals are above any sort

00:29:47.660 of cross-examination or reproach at all whatsoever. Uh, and this was a point that, you know, the great

00:29:53.700 Dennis Prager made a couple of days ago, where he said, just because you get rid of government

00:29:58.040 doesn't mean the left is going to try to replace, uh, just because you get rid of, uh, God, if you

00:30:02.240 will, and the church doesn't mean that the left won't try to replace that. But I guess Glenn, my

00:30:07.000 question is, um, when you, when you're trying to find someone that is pursuing truth, I guess first you

00:30:12.480 have to convince them that truth actually exists. I know this might be getting deeper and deeper into

00:30:17.680 philosophy, but not everyone even has been convinced that there is anything such as absolute

00:30:23.460 truth. They believe there's something as my truth. And that's rooted in the, um, I think the very

00:30:28.620 dangerous ideology of postmodernism. So that's something I encounter a lot in college campuses

00:30:34.920 where students say, no, there's no such thing as absolute truth. You have your truth. I have my truth.

00:30:39.600 Um, do you think that that's even worth getting into and talking about the ideology of socialism or is

00:30:46.200 it more effective and more useful? Yeah. I'd love to get your thoughts on that. So, um,

00:30:52.380 I, I've always hated, I've always hated, uh, philosophy that is not applied philosophy. If I can't,

00:31:06.140 you know, a wheel is a wheel because we call it a wheel. Okay, fine. Shut up. Um, uh, that mental

00:31:15.080 masturbation, if you will, is, is just ridiculous. It's a waste of time. Applied science, applied 1.00

00:31:23.500 philosophy is good. How can I apply this to my own life to make myself better? Um, and I think,

00:31:31.900 you know, that is because for me, at least there are lots of people that don't mind spending their

00:31:37.980 whole life in that circle of philosophical thought that's really not going to move man in one direction

00:31:46.720 or another. Um, and I think there's a lot of people that are stuck on, there is no truth and they're not

00:31:54.100 going to move past it now. Um, and there is urgency to what we do. And my feeling, and I could be totally

00:32:02.700 wrong, but my feeling is you've got to, uh, throw it out and, uh, scatter the seeds, but don't spend any

00:32:13.340 time watering any seed that is on concrete. It's not going to take root. Go where there is a chance of

00:32:21.960 life and a chance of turning and connect with those people because we have real urgency.

00:32:28.360 That's right. Yes. And I, I always laugh when someone says there's no such thing as absolute

00:32:33.180 truth. And I kid with them. Do you believe that? Absolutely. You apply its own logic against the

00:32:37.240 statement. All of a sudden their entire worldview can go crumbling down. But, but Glenn, can you comment

00:32:42.340 for a second? Um, as the other point I made, which is the rise of secular atheism in connection

00:32:48.440 with the strengthening of Marxism? Cause I do believe they're interconnected and they're related.

00:32:53.540 And I think the less spiritual and less religious our country becomes, the more likely we are to

00:32:59.280 embrace a socialist revolution. Uh, do you talk about this in the book? I know that you're a man

00:33:03.440 of faith. You have, um, commented about your faith publicly so many times. You've been a great fighter,

00:33:08.280 uh, for Israel and, uh, done many, uh, amazing events in Jerusalem. Can you please comment on that?

00:33:14.600 Cause I think it's a very important point when talking about the general socialist debate,

00:33:18.580 uh, as it is. Yeah. Let me start, let me start with this, um, kind of a surprising take on this.

00:33:25.800 Some of my best friends are atheists. Um, uh, they're honest atheists. Um, they, uh, they don't hate

00:33:35.760 religion. They don't hate, uh, people of faith. They just don't believe in God and they don't believe 0.88

00:33:43.820 they need God, but they, they look at it, um, and say to me, uh, you know, it's great. Your faith

00:33:52.500 is great. It's does wonders for your world. This is the place where we all have to get to. We have

00:33:58.240 to be able to work together. So let me take a surprising tact on this. Some of this stuff, some

00:34:04.780 is caused by, uh, in the past religious people jamming it down everybody else's throat. If you 1.00

00:34:12.780 don't go to my church, you're a heathen. If you don't believe exactly what my doctrine says,

00:34:19.920 you're not a believer. Um, if you don't live your life, you are less than worthy.

00:34:26.200 That's what our founders fought against. They fought against it. They went and they would,

00:34:32.340 they, they would be witnesses in trials for faiths that they vehemently disagreed with,

00:34:38.600 but they wanted that faith to be able to plant that seed where it stood. You had to have all of

00:34:46.520 the equal rights. And I think, you know, the problem is, is the pendulum always swings from

00:34:52.260 one extreme to another. And it's in the extremes where we're in trouble. It's always in the center

00:34:57.880 where it's best, where we can live with one another with different points of view. So I think a,

00:35:05.820 that's really important that we are open and not jamming anything down anyone's throat. With that being

00:35:13.160 said, you know, Adam said, this system is, is, uh, wholly inconsistent or incompatible with a,

00:35:24.060 with a group of people that are not religious and spiritual in nature. If you are not a religious

00:35:31.220 person that, that you look to a God to give you a governor, 10 safety tips. Hey, let's not kill each

00:35:40.600 other. Let's not steal. Let's not lie. Just safety tips. If you don't have something giving you those

00:35:47.340 10 things and using and putting a governor on your own animal desires, then somebody is going to have

00:35:56.360 to rule you. But if you can self-regulate, Penn Jillette's a good example of this. He's one of the

00:36:01.560 more moral people I've ever met. Really good guy. Doesn't drink, doesn't smoke. He smokes, doesn't drink,

00:36:08.600 doesn't do drugs, has a great family, is happy, helps his community. He didn't believe in God.

00:36:16.060 Okay. He doesn't need that regulator. He had another regulator. It was his mother and his father.

00:36:23.140 They instilled these things in him. So he just doesn't ever want to shame them. He believes in

00:36:30.040 what they taught him and how to live. But that's not enough for most people. You know,

00:36:37.900 some people will say, well, Glenn, he's crazy because he's a Mormon. Well, I'm not trying to 0.91

00:36:43.720 convert you to join me. I didn't want to be a Mormon. I found it to be true. And here's what 1.00

00:36:51.000 happened. It changed my life. It totally changed my life. It got rid of all of the edges that I had

00:36:57.700 spent 40 years trying to sand off and I couldn't do it. I needed something with real structure for

00:37:04.180 me. Some people don't need that. It won't work for them. Fine. That's great. Let's what is it that's

00:37:11.080 pushing us to be better people as individuals without a gun, without forcing other people to do it?

00:37:21.100 What is making you a stronger person? My personal opinion is that

00:37:28.920 we are facing the troubles that we're facing because we are rejecting God. I don't believe

00:37:37.700 in an angry, vengeful, send you to hell kind of God. I don't. I do believe in a God that is

00:37:45.120 a creator of all of the earth and the heavens and everything that we know, time itself and space

00:37:52.480 and has set up certain rules. And just like an electric fence, it's not punishing the cows. It just

00:38:01.040 is. If you go too far as a cow, you will hear the electricity as a cow. You'll hear it before you hit

00:38:08.500 it. You hit it and you'll get a shock. That's just something that is. God's laws are like that.

00:38:16.520 If we violate, he's not punishing. It's just the way the universe works. It's the ultimate justice

00:38:24.640 system. It really is. You start living principles that don't work, that go against universal principles

00:38:31.400 and universal truth. It all falls apart. And that's what's happening to us right now.

00:38:36.780 Yeah. You choose to sin. You choose to suffer is one way to put it.

00:38:40.920 Right. And it's not an angry God.

00:38:45.200 Yeah. That's very insightful. And it's a deeper theological discussion, but we can continue.

00:38:54.500 I'd love that. I guess to connect it back to the book, do you talk about how socialism doesn't

00:39:01.920 create good people to kind of just kind of expound on what you just talked about?

00:39:06.260 I don't think socialism brings out the best in human beings. In fact, I think socialism makes

00:39:11.300 people selfish and actually preys on the worst impulses of human behavior.

00:39:16.640 Yeah. I don't talk about it in that way because I wanted to get somebody who was open-minded

00:39:24.220 somewhat to be able to hear some of these arguments. And so, I don't think I condemned them

00:39:32.740 that way or condemned the system in that way, but I think you're right. I can't think of a socialist

00:39:45.760 in history that is somebody that I would want to model my life after. They tend to go astray because

00:39:58.340 things don't work. And when they don't work, they become more frustrated and more dark inside.

00:40:05.920 And if they see themselves as someone in power to change things, that makes them more dark inside

00:40:13.600 as well. I think socialism in this growth of socialism and the death of God in our society

00:40:20.120 is why we're seeing such a high rise in suicides. I mean, there's nothing real here. There's nothing

00:40:30.060 that you can count on. There's no purpose without, in my opinion, without a divine plan, without

00:40:38.220 understanding that there's more than this, that it's bigger than you. And that's what socialism lacks.

00:40:46.480 So, to connect it to modern times, I agree to kind of what's going on politically.

00:40:54.060 Joe Biden getting the presumptive nomination, I actually think in some ways he's much more

00:40:59.440 Alinsky-ite than Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders actually disobeyed the teachings of Saul Alinsky,

00:41:06.000 where he outwardly endorsed the most radical elements of modern politics. He would be openly

00:41:15.120 critical of America. And he said exactly what he believed. Saul Alinsky rules for radicals.

00:41:20.860 Glenn, you were the first person actually to mention rules for radicals that I remember. And then I went on

00:41:26.800 a deep dive, bought the book, read it. Never forget when I opened up rules for radicals,

00:41:31.720 the dedication said to Lucifer, the first fallen angel, something of that sort. It was very eye

00:41:36.000 opening. Yeah. But the one who at least had enough courage, something like the one who at least had

00:41:40.820 enough courage to gain his own kingdom, Satan. It's like, whoa, whoa, it's a kingdom of darkness. Okay.

00:41:49.220 So that's how we're starting. But Saul Alinsky talked about that a true radical would dress in

00:41:55.460 a three-piece suit, pretend to be something that he's not, slick back his hair, infiltrate

00:41:59.560 institutions, not go into the streets and burn the flags, instead use the symbology of a country

00:42:04.780 to take it over. Joe Biden's entire campaign is about rebuilding the soul of America, is about we got

00:42:09.740 to get back to our roots, which is such a difference, Glenn. It's such a, it's a deviation in course

00:42:17.300 from the narrative of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, and that

00:42:24.120 whole wing of the Democrat Party that says, no, no, no, we have a racist, bigoted, homophobic,

00:42:28.020 backwards history. We have to get away from it, burn it down to the ground, French Revolution style, 1.00

00:42:32.580 whereas Joe Biden is actually trying to be much more like Obama was in 2008 until his true radicalism

00:42:37.780 slipped out, where he's saying, no, no, no, we have a lot to be proud of. We have to get back

00:42:41.000 to our country's roots. To tie it to modern day politics today, Glenn, how do you view Joe Biden

00:42:49.100 in the entire socialist paradigm? And do you think this is a good thing that Joe Biden is now the

00:42:53.840 nominee? Do you think that we could take it easy, that quote unquote, the Marxist has been defeated?

00:42:59.940 How do you interpret that? I don't even, I mean, I don't think Joe Biden is going to be the nominee

00:43:05.100 because I think I, and I don't say this with any glee or, or any ill will towards Joe Biden at all.

00:43:12.840 I think he is mentally checked out. I don't think he is mentally stable. And I just can't imagine

00:43:20.740 that he's going to be able to navigate all the way through the convention and everything else. I think

00:43:27.280 he's fading quickly. So I think there will be some sort of a hostile takeover at the convention.

00:43:34.380 Maybe I'm wrong on that. If he runs, I think he'll be beaten badly by Donald Trump because

00:43:40.960 the, he's not there. He's just not there. With that being said, the, the interesting thing is if

00:43:50.080 you go back and you look at, for instance, Germany, Germany was this very, very proud nation. And then

00:43:56.180 it was humiliated this, and in a way this happened to us in the 1980s as well. Um, it was humiliated and

00:44:04.040 Hitler was very, very smart. He first in, in the, in the Weimar Republic, they first kind of got rid 0.99

00:44:11.840 of all of the trappings of the old regime. By the time it came back to Hitler, uh, Hitler started 0.89

00:44:21.100 surrounding himself back with the iron Eagle and everything else, but it had, it had been

00:44:26.800 turned and twisted just a bit. It's, it's like the swastika. That is a, that's a very peaceful,

00:44:33.220 uh, Indian and Native American symbol. Correct. But he twisted it. He turned it. It's it to show

00:44:41.860 progress because he was a progressive. He twisted it. So it looked like it was moving.

00:44:46.420 That's the same thing that he did with everything. And that's the problem with, with these, um,

00:44:53.500 progressives like Joe Biden is we don't know your generation has never seen America the way America

00:44:59.980 is truly free. You've never seen it. You don't remember it. You don't remember what it's like

00:45:04.620 to walk into an airport and not have to worry about these long lines and, and trusting our neighbors

00:45:10.220 and not having our government say snitch on one another and all of this stuff.

00:45:14.080 So when someone like Joe Biden comes to restore it, he can twist it just a little bit for progress.

00:45:24.360 And so all of these images and all of these symbols begin to mean something else. It's why I've

00:45:29.720 always been, uh, none of my sets have flags on them. Uh, I tried to stay away from red, white,

00:45:36.420 and blue and blue and everything else because I believe those cysts, those, those images can be

00:45:42.040 twisted so easily. They all were, I mean, we didn't even have a standardized flag until Woodrow

00:45:48.180 Wilson. We didn't have a national anthem until FDR. All of these images were put in by progressives

00:45:55.100 and they can mean so much to so many people. We have to stay focused on what is true. And that requires

00:46:03.900 you to go back and do history. Everything that, uh, uh, AOC and Tlaib and everybody else is doing,

00:46:11.100 they're still burning down, uh, so many people's belief in anything that is true about America and

00:46:18.260 anything that is good while you have somebody else taking these images and these, these notions that

00:46:24.960 no one, uh, in the younger set even remembers and he's resetting them and recasting them. It's

00:46:31.480 extraordinarily dangerous. Yes. And I mean, in the hierarchy of priorities, I think Joe Biden's number

00:46:38.360 one, uh, priority is the enrichment of his family and the continuation and protection of the corrupt

00:46:46.700 international dealings that he has helped broker in the Bernie Sanders hierarchy of priorities.

00:46:52.200 I really truly believe he is a born and bred angry, bitter Bolshevik who does want to participate 0.98

00:46:58.340 in some form of a people's revolution against Western society. Now, Joe Biden will happily allow

00:47:04.360 that to happen. If that means the continuation of his own personal protection and enrichment for the,

00:47:10.560 for the crimes that his son has committed and the action. So therefore in a lot of different ways

00:47:16.020 though, Joe Biden could be argued to be more dangerous because he doesn't actually believe

00:47:20.120 anything. Uh, and again, I actually, I do tend to agree with you, Glenn, that it's hard to see him

00:47:26.140 go from now to election day without rational voters say, hold on a second. I thought this was just a

00:47:32.820 placeholder. I thought this was a, the equivalent, a political equivalent of a treasury bond. Like we're

00:47:37.480 just going to flight to safety until we could figure out things would get better. Um, and it's hard to see

00:47:43.100 him. People say debate. I don't even know if he'll be able to get that far. I mean, the constant

00:47:49.160 errant confusion coming from Joe Biden is, is really, really telling. So Glenn, here's the,

00:47:55.600 here's the thing that I think we're missing. Um, people think that socialism might be on the ropes

00:48:05.760 or whatever. It's not a, there's a chapter, chapter six in the book talks about, um, the worst

00:48:13.340 combination crisis, technology, and, uh, modern monetary theory. And we talk about the crisis

00:48:23.020 would be joblessness. And once there's joblessness, technology will start to, they know they will need

00:48:30.520 the government and the government will know they need them to watch people. So they will marry one 0.99

00:48:35.640 another and they'll need to flood the system with all kinds of bailouts. And, and, uh, they'll need

00:48:42.000 to do all kinds of these socialist programs with modern monetary theory. Well, while I didn't know

00:48:48.200 about Corona virus, when we set this, uh, and lock this for print, that is what we're doing right now.

00:48:55.420 The Fed is using modern monetary theory, which is just money printing. It is a socialist dream,

00:49:03.360 a socialist dream. We just did $6 trillion. They're asking for another half a trillion dollars today.

00:49:09.700 Uh, Charlie, when, when somebody says this, this program is going to cost 10 billion,

00:49:13.680 $10 trillion a year, it won't mean anything soon. Yes. And it's even worse than it's worse than money

00:49:20.980 printing, Glenn, because at least money printing would have some sort of physical requirement.

00:49:25.420 Of us actually having to monitor it. We're money creating, which is even worse. I know it's a,

00:49:30.480 it's a technical, you know, difference of, of linguistics, but if you had to print it,

00:49:34.880 we would actually stop ourselves because you couldn't print this amount of money as quickly.

00:49:39.260 We wouldn't have the amount of physical infrastructure to actually print $6 trillion,

00:49:45.360 $100 bills. Um, and I know that's a silly thing to say for some people, but would literally take us

00:49:50.500 from now to September of manufacturing plants of hundreds of millions of square feet to do it.

00:49:56.360 The math has actually been done. You would need, uh, gigatons of ink to do it. But anyway,

00:50:02.300 it's, uh, just to give people an idea.

00:50:04.660 You're exact. I never thought it that way. That's really, really good.

00:50:07.440 So, thank you. Um, so, but I do want to zero in on that. Uh, you talk about, uh, in chapter six,

00:50:15.220 Glenn, where you talk about the modern monetary theory and some of the instruments within, um,

00:50:20.320 our monetary system. I actually want to ask the thesis of the book that I didn't get a chance

00:50:24.340 to ask Glenn. You say, what happens if socialists get power? Um, tell us Glenn, what happens if

00:50:30.280 socialists get power? And are we actually seeing some of that through some of our congressional leaders,

00:50:35.320 um, through what they're advocating for right now? Um, let's tie it back to actually the sub

00:50:40.700 line of the book. Uh, one of the intro sentences when describing the book is Glenn talks about

00:50:44.780 what happens if socialists get power times of crisis is when Marxists, they look their chops

00:50:50.260 from a man. Rom Emanuel famously said, never let a crisis go to waste. He doubled down on that

00:50:54.360 statement three weeks ago on MSNBC. What happens Glenn, if these people win?

00:50:59.540 Well, you're already seeing it. Um, you, it's amazing how, uh, the left has said that, uh,

00:51:05.320 Donald Trump is a tyrant. Donald Trump is a fascist. And yet it is the democratic governors 1.00

00:51:11.400 that continue to ask him to take control of the national guard and send the national guard.

00:51:18.360 That's the governor's job, not the president's job to send the national guard into their state

00:51:23.620 to tell these corporations exactly what they have to make for the national interest. That is the

00:51:30.760 definition of fascism. They don't, they don't own the factory. They just tell the factory what to do.

00:51:38.220 That's what the left is currently asking. They are currently telling you to snitch on your neighbors,

00:51:45.140 to turn them in. You'll get cash. If you turn them in on things, they're arresting people for things

00:51:51.400 that are absolutely common sense. So don't, don't, you don't have to ask what will America look like

00:51:59.360 if it's in the hands of socialists, you're seeing it happen right now. You're seeing also

00:52:05.620 disturbing trends with Google and Facebook and all of these others. Do you know that Kansas

00:52:10.740 is now, um, using, uh, and I can't remember the name of it, uh, a software program that can track

00:52:18.880 everyone in the state of Kansas, their movements through their cell phones. They know exactly where

00:52:24.600 everyone is at all times. If they have a cell phone, she's since I wouldn't have thought Kansas 0.99

00:52:31.080 would be on the pioneering front of Orwellian social monitoring, but exactly right. But it's

00:52:36.960 for the common good. They can't, the, the companies in America that are making drones cannot keep up

00:52:44.340 with the orders that are coming in from the local police departments. These are not your standard,

00:52:50.040 you know, buy it at Best Buy drone. This is a, this is a military grade drone. Sure. These are

00:52:55.420 you can't keep up. Yeah. Yeah. They can't keep up with the orders. What do you think they're going

00:53:01.560 to do after COVID-19? Yeah. They're already changing the monetary system. They're no longer voting in

00:53:08.280 Congress except for voice vote. The, the people who are repairing our roads, they have to go out to

00:53:14.260 work. They're essential. The people in the media, they're essential, but Congress is not essential.

00:53:21.180 They don't have to go in and vote. They're just passing this bill after bill after bill,

00:53:27.280 some of the most staggering bills in our history and no one is there to debate them.

00:53:33.180 This is what socialism looks like. Yeah. And I do want to compliment the president in this

00:53:38.860 aspect where he has been trying to be pushed by the media and the governors to, to essentially

00:53:44.960 go full fascist. And the president has said, wait a second, there's a thing called the constitution,

00:53:50.900 a document that I love. You guys got to figure this out yourselves. We're here to help you,

00:53:55.420 but it's you, it's on you guys, governors. This is a state-based thing. And, um, it's as if,

00:54:00.200 and I have a couple competing theories on this. One of the theories, and I think that they want to set

00:54:05.360 a precedent for a Republican president to use this sort of unilateral quasi martial law power

00:54:10.980 so that a Democrat could use it in the future. And I do give the president credit for resisting that

00:54:16.440 and for pointing to the constitution and for saying, Hey, we're a federalist approach. We're

00:54:20.900 going to go state by state. We are here to help you calling out good governors for doing a better job

00:54:25.920 than others. And the president was even hesitant to use the war productions act. And he hasn't used it as

00:54:32.220 much as some governors have wanted him to. He's used it in with general motors. And you could

00:54:37.680 actually make the argument general motors is somewhat of a government, government existent

00:54:41.960 entity only because of the taxpayers. Again, I don't love the idea of telling private industry,

00:54:46.280 go make stuff. But I, again, I'm not, I have no love lost for government motors. Uh, I mean,

00:54:51.320 general motors, I'm sorry. Uh, but I, I, I do want to zero in on this Glenn, because what you're

00:54:58.280 saying here is an erosion of individual liberty and erosion of individual freedom, erosion of the

00:55:03.800 first amendment, erosion of the second amendment, erosion of the fourth amendment, erosion of the

00:55:07.700 10th amendment. Um, can you give us something to be optimistic about? Because it seems as if what

00:55:13.960 you're talking about in this time of crisis, give our audience some optimism and some positivity.

00:55:20.060 Okay. Let me give you a couple of stories here. First of all, um, look how, look how the media

00:55:27.420 and the left have done everything to get rid of, uh, hydroxychloroquine. They've done everything to

00:55:34.060 discredit it. And the only reason why they are discrediting it is because of Donald Trump. He

00:55:38.920 mentioned it. He thought it was good. So it must be bad. It must be evil. He must be making money.

00:55:43.820 It has failed spectacularly. They are, they are not making any in ground on Donald Trump. Um,

00:55:51.800 they are only discrediting them themselves over and over again. So the mouthpiece, if you will,

00:55:57.980 is getting weaker and weaker and weaker. While I believe the president is getting stronger and

00:56:02.680 stronger in all of the right ways because he's not taking executive power and abusing it like FDR did.

00:56:11.740 Um, let me give you a story about a guy in, uh, Massachusetts. He's a guy who, uh, moved from,

00:56:18.100 uh, the Azores to Maine. I think when he was two years old, his family escaped the socialist

00:56:24.140 dictators in the Azores. Um, he grew up, he went and he fought in the Navy. Uh, he did his,

00:56:32.260 he did his thing. He became a gun store owner. They've tried to put him out after nine 11. They tried

00:56:37.680 to put him out of business and make him close. He wouldn't, uh, then they, they finally ran him out

00:56:43.580 of business because the insurance companies just kept jacking up the insurance for the, the, the,

00:56:50.220 uh, guy who owned the building that he was operating out of. And so he couldn't afford to stay in.

00:56:56.000 He reopened a store in 2008, the Corona virus hit. Uh, he was told by the federal government,

00:57:04.760 here are the recommendations and here are essential businesses. Guns were part of those essential 0.96

00:57:10.380 businesses. The state of Massachusetts, the governor said, Nope, not guns. And, and he removed the

00:57:19.360 ability of any gun store owner to be able to go in and get some of the federal money because you were

00:57:25.720 being forced to close the constitution states that you, the government must, uh, uh, give you some

00:57:34.700 sort of remuneration here for, uh, anything that they, yeah, they take away from you. So they're

00:57:41.020 taking it away. They've got to pay. The governor went and scratched it out. I talked to him today.

00:57:47.000 Uh, he is, he's like, I'm never going to close. I am never going to close my door. He said,

00:57:53.440 I meet people out on the sidewalk. Business is better than ever. There are people that are standing

00:57:59.340 up. Look to the governor of South Dakota. She's remarkable. She said, you know, she's a great,

00:58:04.680 friend. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. Uh, this state understands this governor understands it's the

00:58:11.860 right of the people and the responsibility of the people to take care of their own health. This,

00:58:18.420 this idea that people are smart enough to figure it out, to, uh, control their own lives. I think the

00:58:26.800 coronavirus is going to go one of two ways. It's going to make big government, evil, big government,

00:58:31.580 uh, even more big and evil. And it's going to set the other side and say, Ooh, wait a minute.

00:58:38.420 That kind of looks spooky and they're going to grow as well. How it ends.

00:58:44.640 Well, so that, that's so well said. And I actually, I wrote down on this piece of paper. I said,

00:58:49.260 we're either going to have our road to surf them inflection moment or our wealth of nations

00:58:53.960 inflection moment. One or the other. Um, and so it's one where we could have serious

00:58:59.500 renaissance pent up demand. We're never going back to that. We don't trust the government.

00:59:04.240 Let's invest entrepreneurial activity. We go back to that description of Alexis de Tocqueville,

00:59:09.340 where he called Americans restless. And I do see that Glenn. I do see a lot of people that are

00:59:13.780 more committed than ever to take risks and get back in the marketplace and to create the beauty of

00:59:20.440 America. But I'm afraid conversely with that, there might be a portion of America, um, that might say,

00:59:27.220 Hey, this is not so bad. Maybe we could be in, maybe we could be taken care of. I, I, I'm remain

00:59:33.680 optimistic. I think that we actually can see a restoration of self-governance and, um, of

00:59:41.220 constitutional, uh, ideas. Please Glenn, uh, comment on that. Uh, I think, I think that it all depends

00:59:47.960 Charlie on whether or not, um, whether or not when we restart this economy, we can get out of the hole

00:59:55.880 of 20 or 30% unemployment. If we have 20 or 30% unemployment, people are going to want and need

01:00:02.040 someone to hold them, uh, up and, and help them through that. Um, and, uh, and that will change

01:00:10.320 everything. Whoever is in charge at that point, the programs that they put in, if they are not

01:00:15.980 sunsetted and I mean dead on this specific date, um, we'll have them forever. Um, it, it really

01:00:26.480 will depend on whether or not we make it not just through this, uh, crash, but there's a real

01:00:34.340 possibility that this happens again to us in October or November of next year. If we haven't prepared and

01:00:41.480 we are not any farther down the research lane, if this thing comes back, we could have real, real

01:00:49.340 trouble. So in closing here, Glenn, I want to give you an opportunity to just fill in any other,

01:00:54.740 uh, kind of parts of the book. We didn't get a chance to talk about, but before we get to that,

01:00:58.600 I just want to reinforce to the audience, Glenn has had such an important impact on my life and was one

01:01:04.100 of the reasons I got into politics and started turning point USA, uh, at, at all. And I remember his

01:01:10.180 show, uh, it was either three or 4 PM Eastern. It was right after school. So it'd have to be 4 PM

01:01:14.740 Eastern. If I remember correctly with the big chalkboard. And just so you know, Glenn predicted,

01:01:19.400 uh, before anyone else, the European debt crisis, he predicted the calamity in Libya. He predicted

01:01:26.820 the rise of ISIS. He predicted, uh, the negative impacts of illegal immigration. And these are just

01:01:33.780 the ones off the top of my head. He talked about the crisis on college campuses, the cultural

01:01:38.360 Marxist takeover, um, and was really instructive to a lot of people, especially during the tea

01:01:42.920 party movement, um, back in 2010 and 2011, where there was a lot of anger and people were looking

01:01:49.040 for, well, where, where do ideas come from again? And I still think Glenn, a lot of the conservative

01:01:53.220 movement, uh, is very well informed based on that teaching you've done back then and today. So

01:01:57.680 I just had to get that. I had to say that. So Glenn, anything else about the book, arguing with

01:02:02.060 socialists, I encourage everyone to go by it. Anything else you wanted to mention that we didn't get a

01:02:05.140 chance to cover? No, I don't. I don't think so. Charlie, you're very, very kind to me. And I

01:02:09.680 appreciate it. Your words are really very kind. Um, thank you. Um, I think the, I think the only

01:02:17.220 thing is this book was written for people like you, uh, and the people at turning point, it was written

01:02:24.960 in a way that you have the facts, you have the breadcrumbs, you can go back to the original sources,

01:02:31.520 you can think it through yourself and, and you got to exercise your mind in all of these and be able

01:02:38.660 to find those sources, uh, to be able to make those arguments. Uh, and I think if it's, if it's used and,

01:02:46.020 and really utilized, especially the, the, all the footnotes, uh, I think you can make a huge,

01:02:52.400 huge impact. And my children, my young children's lives and their future and my future depend really

01:02:59.520 on what you do now. And I think turning point is, uh, uh, I said this when I spoke at, um, at your,

01:03:08.680 um, uh, thing in, uh, where were we? West Palm, Florida, uh, SAS. And I, and I said, uh, I walked

01:03:15.820 out and I said, you give me hope. And it's true. Uh, this movement actually really, truly gives me hope

01:03:23.280 that there is a, there is a generation that's coming up that truly gets it. So thank you for

01:03:30.640 the opportunity. God bless you, Glenn. Thank you. And again, the book is arguing with socialists.

01:03:35.520 Get your copy today. Uh, let's support Glenn and Glenn. Thanks so much for joining the Charlie

01:03:39.280 Kirk show. God bless you. Gosh. Thanks, Charlie. Appreciate it.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 11, 2020

Ep 75 ｜ The Best Argument to Save America from Socialists ｜ Charlie Kirk ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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