Ep 75 ｜ The Best Argument to Save America from Socialists ｜ Charlie Kirk ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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I recently sat down with Charlie Kirk for his podcast. He is the founder of probably one of the most important political organizations in America, Turning Point USA, a collection of people in high school and college campuses that dare to question authority and think out of the box, to dare to think beyond political correctness and what everyone is supposed to say. I'm excited to talk to you about his new book, Arguing with Socialists.
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I recently sat down with Charlie Kirk for his podcast. He is the founder of probably one of
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the most important political organizations in America and becoming the world. Turning Point
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USA is a collection of people in high school and college campuses that dare to question authority,
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that dare to think out of the box, to dare to think beyond political correctness and what
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everyone is supposed to say. These are people that are looking for true freedom and they have
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real principles behind them. And it comes from their leader, Charlie Kirk. This is his podcast,
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but I find him so intriguing and so smart and his comments and his questions all throughout this
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podcast. I wanted you to hear Charlie Kirk in an interview about arguing with socialists,
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something that he does on college campuses every single day. This is Charlie Kirk on the Glenn Beck
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podcast. Hey, everybody. I am honored today to be joined by someone that has had a very big influence
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on my life. I was listening to his radio show and watching his television program after school.
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Boy, when I was in a freshman year in high school and sophomore year in high school,
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none other than the incredible leader, Glenn Beck. Glenn, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
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You have a new book out, Arguing with Socialists. I'm excited to talk to you about it and dive into it.
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First, tell us why you wrote this book and just a quick summary about it. And then I'd love to dive
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into some some questions about socialism in general and the kind of the trend of the country.
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So I wrote it because if you remember right, probably when you were a freshman or a sophomore
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in high school, I put another book out called Arguing with Idiots. And this is kind of the follow up of
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that. And the reason why we use this format, it's you know, it's got all kinds of it's a graphic novel in some
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ways. It's got all kinds of charts and pictures and cartoons and everything else. And I did it that way in
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Arguing with Idiots because I'm riddled with ADD. And so it's something that you could just pick up. You can use it as a
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reference book. You can read it cover to cover. You can use it any way you want. But the reason I came
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back to this format is over the years, I've heard from so many people who are now your age that say
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they got that book or they got an inconvenient book or or broke, which was in this format. And they used
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it because the last 100 pages in this book are all footnotes and they're not footnotes to the Heritage
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Foundation. They're all footnotes to things that your lefty friends will accept. And we really did
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our homework so you can have the arguments, the intelligence arguments with the sources that they
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will accept as truth to be able to take this argument apart on socialism because it is an absolute
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lie that it seems like every 20 years or so we have to defeat.
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I totally agree. I remember arguing with idiots. I remember reading it and I loved the pictures and
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the charts throughout. And so I won't necessarily get into, therefore, I repeat myself arguing with
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socialists, arguing with, you could fill in the rest, but that's a different conversation.
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I'm sure someone said that before. My favorite book of yours is actually The Overton Window.
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I think that had a tremendous contribution to the conservative zeitgeist over the last couple
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years, especially to how we view the ever-changing new normal of how the left basically changes the
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goalpost, if you will. But I think The Overton Window actually describes that a lot better.
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I do want to ask the question, Glenn, as we dive into the specifics of the book,
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do you think that the socialists are currently winning? I mean, it might be, you might say it's
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a tie, but do you think as things are happening right now in our country, do you think the socialists
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I think because it's a global movement, I would have to say yes. Here in America, I'm afraid that the
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dropping out of Bernie Sanders is going to be viewed as a win. And I don't believe it is. Bernie is never,
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he was never the guy to lead the nation and be the president. He was a great catalyst for change and
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a great message bearer for many people. And I think he's more of the Barry Goldwater
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of the far left. Barry Goldwater, you know, was torn apart by the press and just decimated in the
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election. But Ronald Reagan came out of the Goldwater campaign and so many others that were about your
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age in the 1960s. And that's what led to the Reagan revolution. So I'm not concerned about
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Bernie Sanders and what we fight today. He has, he has used this time to plant the seeds deeply into
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people. And if you, if you understand people of your age, you can understand why socialism is so
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popular in a way. Um, you know, you were probably born around nine 11, maybe your first memory might
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be of nine 11, maybe. Um, and so what that was, you felt unsafe. The world was coming undone. The
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markets were coming undone. Maybe people lost their jobs, et cetera, et cetera. We went to war. Then your
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next big memory of the world is 2008 and the government bails out all of these banks and people
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get screwed and mom and dad might lose a job or lose their house. And then we have the great recession
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and now COVID-19. This seems like a system that just doesn't work. It seems like a very unsafe way to
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live. It seems like something where you're always constantly losing your foothold. You're, you're just
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getting ahead and then it's taken away from you again. That's the mindset of so many people your
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age and younger. They see their parents struggling like this and they think this isn't fair. This
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isn't right. And when it happens, the big guys get bailed out and mom and dad don't, I don't want
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anything to do with this. And I think that's a very real, uh, understanding of what we're facing right
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now. That is so well put. I want to ask about some of the more philosophical roots of socialism,
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but before I do, I want to compliment, um, your comparison of Senator Sanders with Barry Goldwater,
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uh, cause Barry Goldwater was ahead of his time in a lot of different ways, despite his views on
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abortion, which, uh, people, I actually think he was misguided on that particular topic. He, he,
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he led a conservative revolution where we saw people, not just Ronald Reagan, as you put,
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but you started to see the real movement. Conservatives start to have a voice versus the
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Rockefeller Romney Bush wing of the Republican party that finally had a sizable challenge.
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Ronald Reagan did the speech time for choosing, um, in 1976, I think, or was it 72? It was one of
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choosing was time of choosing was I think 64. I think 64 may have been 68.
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I'm not sure, but it was in the sixties. So then you, you correct me. Uh, thank you. And then of
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course he then challenged Ford in 76 is what I was thinking of. Correct. Unsuccessfully. Uh,
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but leading the way to the conservative Renaissance and the revolution, I think Senator Sanders has a
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lot of, uh, that's similarities there. My question though, Glenn, is how do you define? And it's funny
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that say, if I may, I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's, it's interesting to note that the reason why
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Sanders was blocked, uh, by Hillary Clinton was because of the system that the Democrats put in
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after the Reagan revolution, they saw Reagan come in and just decimate the, the Republicans,
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the, the standard Rhino and said, my gosh, you know, a, a rogue group of people could take over
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these parties. So they put in all of these things with this, you know, with the super delegates and
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everything else. That's what stopped Bernie Sanders this, this last time with Hillary Clinton.
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Uh, and it all came because Reagan was such a rebel and completely changed the face of the
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Republican party, at least while he was alive. And the, to credit to the Republican party,
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I don't always go out of my way to compliment the Republican infrastructure to keep that intact,
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allowed Donald Trump to win the nomination and not the heir apparent Jeb Bush or somebody else
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within the establishment mold. So Glenn, I want to ask, how do you define socialism?
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Cause when I go to college campuses, when I talk about socialism, going back to the roots of Marx,
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Rousseau and Plato, abolition of private property, the deconstruction of the idea of a market-based
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system, a lot of socialists will say, no, no, that's not real socialism. Let me tell you what
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real socialism is. I think that we have, sometimes we're talking past each other. I'm not,
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don't have an agreement on commonality of terms. Can you, uh, tell our audience how you define
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socialism? Yeah, well, I define socialism same way you define socialism. Um, you know,
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the thing that you, that you need to use, um, uh, with people is who are socialists,
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ask them to define communism because communism gets this bad rap. Communism is the gulags is the,
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the military state. Socialism is the happy place. That's the exact opposite of what Marx talked about.
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Communism has never been done. If you look at the USSR, it's the United Soviet socialist states. Um,
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that that's what they were, the Republic. Um, they were socialist. Communism has never truly been
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achieved. Communism is the utopia. Communism is when we all are just going to put our,
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our money in a big pile and there's no big strong arm and we all are living happily ever after.
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That's communism. Socialism is the step in between the free market and that happy place.
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Socialism is where you have to have the reeducation camps. It's where you have to
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silence dissent. It's where you need a strong arm man to be able to push it through so you can get to
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the happy place. Um, you know, one of the things that I did, and I'm just looking at the, um, uh,
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the book, the first chapter, I, I brought up this very point. We have to,
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we have to define these terms or we're just talking past each other.
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So in the book, in the first chapter, socialism, any various economic and political theories
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advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production
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and distribution of goods, democratic socialism features the same system of collective ownership
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and management of property inherent in every other socialist system, along with all of its problems.
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The only difference is the, and the adherents also pinky swear that they'll never support any form
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of government other than the one that the elections, um, with are democratically held as if democracy
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somehow or another manages to magically guarantee there won't be tyranny. Swedish style, socialism,
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a mythical correction, uh, creation invented by socialists desperately looking for proof that socialism works.
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Communism, then real world communism, and then capitalism and free market capitalism with a security net.
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And this is where, this is where we really get, um, we, we can make points.
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When people talk about capitalism, we are not doing capitalism. We haven't had capitalism in I don't
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know how long. What we have is capitalism and cronyism combined. We have the worst of both parts.
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Um, and when the, when the capitalists understand that they can, uh, cozy up to the government and get special
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favors, it's just as bad as anything else. We must have the freedom away from the government
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interference. Government should never get involved in anybody's business except for holding people
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accountable. If I'm selling you something that I knew was dangerous, uh, and it, it, it, it, you know,
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it violates everything good and decent, you know, uh, the government should be able to step in and say
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punishment for that. The government should be able to step in and say punishment for this if you're
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ripping people off. But other than that, stay out of business government, stay out of business.
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Just make sure it's fair for everyone. I, I, that is so well said. I'm just taking,
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taking notes here cause you're, you're kind of jogging, uh, some other questions. So, so Glenn,
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I also find that when I argue with socialists and I've already, I've already ordered my copy,
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I can't wait for it to arrive. I think there's a little bit of a shipping lag time, but everyone
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should go buy their copy right now. Um, when I argue with socialists, it seems that we have such a
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big disconnect in human nature that the socialists and the communists and the Marxists going back to
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Rousseau and before that Plato, they believe that if we were able to solve our material inequality,
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somehow human beings would become better people or almost human nature is not flawed. Naturally,
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they don't believe in the idea that human beings are naturally inclined towards sin, greed, or self
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interest. Do you dive into this at all in the book? Or do you speak about this? Cause I think
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a lot of the motivations of the Marxists and the socialists are, I think the flawed idea that they
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can fix a lot of the issues in society as long as they fix the material inequality around it.
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Yeah, I do dive into it. And I dive into the fact that socialism just denies human nature. It denies
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reality. Uh, some of the most miserable people that you'll ever find are very, very wealthy,
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famous people. Well, on the lower end of the spectrum, everyone would say, I just want to be
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rich and famous. Well, no, you don't look at the rich and famous people. Many of them are miserable
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because that's not a solution to the human condition. In many ways, that is a barrier to the
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human condition that just makes everything exaggerated. And, and you, once you obtain it,
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you realize how empty it is. That is denying human nature that, that happiness comes from within
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some of the happiest people I've ever met. I mean, some of the best Christians I've ever met
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are the ones that were slaves from ISIS that we went in and rescued, had nothing, lost everything,
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lost their children. I bring their children out of slavery. They are more faithful, uh, more,
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more, uh, happy, more grateful, even in their abject poverty and conditions that none of us would be
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able to handle. Then, then some of the best people I know in America, it's not the physical,
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it is the internal struggle. And when you deny that there is an internal struggle, there is the good
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side of man and the bad side of man. When you deny that each of us hold that and it's a constant battle
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to balance which one is going to win, it all falls apart. You know, you, you, you, you lose what the
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founders, uh, knew. And that is government is like a fire and it's good if you control it. But if you
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don't control it, it will be controlled by others. And those with power almost always go bad.
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And that human nature in those who have power over you are going to rule over you in a way that is
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not benevolent. So Glenn, something that you could help me with and help our audience with,
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when we talk, when we argue as socialists, I think our movement is getting better at the indictment
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of socialism using real world examples, making the moral argument. But something I think we struggle
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with on our side because of our politicians is painting what we actually stand for and the
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alternative to socialism, which is a question I get quite often. I'm very effective at indicting
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Marxism and socialism. And I think this book will instruct me even better at this. What I need to do
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a better job of though, is articulating to someone who has never heard it before what we believe,
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why we believe it. And it's become more difficult, Glenn, when you get 96 to nothing votes in the
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United States Senate for the biggest bill ever in American history to spend $2 trillion. Can you
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comment on that and build out how we address this, uh, this issue in our movement?
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Yeah, let me, uh, it's the last chapter in the book, uh, free markets, free people,
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and prosperity. Um, when was the last time you went to the grocery store and just stood in awe
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about how truly amazing these modern marvels really are meats, breads, fruits, cheeses, green
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things, vegetables, uh, as far as the eye can see and the Twinkies. Oh, the Twinkies. You can buy
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dozens of them for less than 10 bucks. Grocery stores alone are remarkable places. Um, today our people
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are healthier, wealthier, happier, and safer than man has ever been before. Americans generally live
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long lives, even though without much wealth and high quality, affordable food is available for
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every town in every, in every County. Uh, men went from farm and fire to supermarkets and space travel
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in less than 200 years. Why? What happened at almost any other time in human history, going back for a
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thousand years, uh, a store of comparable of your run of the mill modern grocery store would have
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been considered a modern wonder of the world. Markets existed in ancient times and some important
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cities. You could buy products from hundreds of miles away, but they were nothing like our modern
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grocery stores where you can, in a single trip, buy apples from Washington state, oranges from Brazil,
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prosciutto from Italy, chocolate from Belgium, cheese from Wisconsin, cereal from Mexico, coffee
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from Columbia, milk from the nearby dairy. Some believe this is a bad thing due to carbon emissions,
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but before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, let's realize what it means to the health and
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welfare of the entire world to destroy the very system that man has never seen before and has
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literally saved the lives of hundreds of millions of people. So I take the, I take the tact in the book
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of let's just stop for a second and separate the bathwater from the baby. Don't throw it all out.
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This has never been done before. It happened for a reason, a very specific reason. It's not a coincidence
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that America is founded. Then all of a sudden we go from fire to electricity. It's not a coincidence.
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So what is it that caused this? And throughout the book, I really tried to take an open position on,
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I think that most young socialists, you know, I think Winston Churchill said, if you're not a socialist,
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uh, when you're 20, you don't have a heart. If you're not a conservative, when you're 50, you don't
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have a brain. Uh, yeah, it's the, it's the, the combination of the heart and the brain. So I try
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to take an approach to where I say to the honest person who's looking at socialism and saying, this
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might be a better way. Okay. Let's really look at what are the results and what are the results of
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the free market? What are the bad things about the free market and the bad things about socialism?
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What are the good things about each? When you just make that list of good versus bad, uh, on both
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sides, the tables, uh, turn quickly towards free markets, not what we're doing, but towards free
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markets. The, uh, the left will commonly use, uh, people's desire to make the world a better place
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as a way to market socialism. And they will indict capitalism and free markets by saying, all you care
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about is yourself and your own self-interest. I actually think it's moral to look out for your own
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self-interest as an individual, uh, that I'm sure you've talked about quite often, Glenn, and you talk
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about how we should be proud that we have individual rights that were first and foremost, human beings
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created in God's image. And then from there, we create social society and civil society in the book,
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Glenn, how do you make the argument to a young socialist who has grown up in 16, 18, or 20 years
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of a society through government run schools, through left-wing media, and through Marxist Hollywood,
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uh, uh, programming to believe that the capitalist system is exploitation and that we have to get
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back to a system that is primarily one based in compassion and caring and sharing. What's your
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best argument for that, Glenn? Because that's something a lot of our students face every single
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day. Well, I don't know if I have the best argument, uh, for that. Um, you know, off the top of my head,
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I will tell you this, the best thing that we can do is listen to those who are honestly seeking
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truth and a better way. There's a lot of people that aren't a lot of people just playing politics
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on both sides. They don't really care. Um, you know, uh, uh, David Horowitz talked about it. He was
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a, he was a leftist in the sixties and he really believed that Vietnam was wrong and we should get
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out. And, and, you know, the, the right was saying, if we get out all these people, you know,
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there'd be killing fields in Cambodia. Well, we left and that's exactly what happened. And, um,
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the socialist there would not recognize the truth. And that's what turned him away from that. Cause
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he looked at it and went, wait a minute, guys, are we not even going to recognize that they were
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right about these things? We, we might've been right about these, but what about all these dead?
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And he realized they didn't really care. It was about power. That's when he got out, um, and,
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and started railing against the left. So we have to look for those people who are honestly seeking
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answers first. If you're not honest, if you know, one of the best questions asked of me by,
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I'm trying to remember his name, uh, the scientist, uh, the group of scientists, the three of them,
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uh, that just did the, uh, the bogus reports and took mine comp and, and made it in, took Jews and
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made it into women. Uh, we'll get the name. One of those guys. Yeah. Uh, one of those guys was
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saying to me, he said, he's an atheist and I'm a religious guy. And he said, let me ask you a
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question. If I could prove to you that there is no God. And he said, I openly admit I couldn't do
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that. But if I could, and I had definitive proof, there is no God. Would you admit there is no God?
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And I said, well, you can't prove it, but if you could, and it was definitive. And I agreed with
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the study, I could see it for my own, with my own eyes. Yes, I would. Let me ask you, you're an
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atheist. If I could prove to you, which I don't think I can, that there is a God in proof, or you
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could just read it and it's math. And there is a God. Would you say you're wrong about atheism and
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believe in God? And he said, yes, we can have all conversations together. We can get along forever,
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even though we disagree on that fundamental principle, because we are, we're not playing
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games. We're honestly seeking truth. So the first thing you have to do when you're in an argument with
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somebody is, are you an honest broker? Will you call your own side out? Will you admit that the
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socialism of Hugo Chavez has led to death and misery and destruction? Will you admit, unlike Bernie
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Sanders, that Fidel Castro, when he dies with, what was it? Eight or nine billion dollars in the bank
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is not one of the people. He was raping the people. You don't, you don't, you don't, in 1950 have
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nothing and then nine billion dollars just because you're a man of the people. You were stealing from
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the people. While the people starved, you were taking your country's money. If you can admit those
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things, I can admit the bad things about capitalism. And now we can start to look and say, okay, what do you
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really want? What you really want is a better way to take care of people in need. Okay, great. Let's just look
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at the numbers. How, how can we affect the most amount of people? Let me give you one example. Is it
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moral? Is it moral for the white star line to not put enough lifeboats on the Titanic because they didn't want
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to spend the money and they didn't want to redesign? Clearly horrible, horrible capitalists that are,
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they don't care about people. They only care about their bottom line. Once those lifeboats were in the
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water, was it moral for the lifeboat captain, the person that was just a passenger just a few minutes
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ago? Most likely when that lifeboat was full, was it moral for them to, uh, make their way away from
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all of the people in the water? Yes, it was because they all would have died. They could save 12 or 25
00:27:02.980
or however many fit in that boat, but that's all they could save. If they went back into the sea,
00:27:09.000
they would be swamped and all of them would die. That's the same thing with saving people,
00:27:15.860
um, with our country. We cannot have open borders and free stuff because we will swamp our boat and
00:27:25.740
we won't be able to save anyone. That doesn't mean that you don't, it doesn't mean that you don't
00:27:31.780
love people and want to save them. Yes. You're actually, you're using your brain and your heart.
00:27:37.160
I can't save everybody. How many can I save? Yeah. That's a very good argument for John Stuart
00:27:44.300
Mills ethics. So, uh, in a lot of ways, I think you actually appropriate appropriately applied,
00:27:49.620
um, uh, utilitarian ethics in that, in that sense. So Glenn, you, you mentioned something you want
00:27:55.600
people that want to pursue truth. A couple thoughts on that. I believe that the rise of Marxism
00:28:00.820
socialism is directly correlated with the hyper secularization of America and the spread of
00:28:07.940
atheism in America and the lack of individuals, especially students believing in a higher power
00:28:13.400
and believing in God is a gateway drug to Marxism and socialism because they don't, they don't,
00:28:18.500
they don't lack connecting to something. As soon as they don't believe in a vertical relationship with
00:28:24.480
God, they look at some sort of a connection to government. My question is this though, Glenn,
00:28:29.000
you go ahead, please. Yeah. Uh, comment on that, please. Nietzsche talked about it when he said,
00:28:33.600
God is dead. That wasn't a celebrate. That was a warning. God's dead. What are you going to replace
00:28:38.660
him with? Because people will replace God with something else. That's what happens when you don't
00:28:45.080
have God, you have to have something else that fills that space. And, and they will not admit that their
00:28:53.820
God is government, but it is, it is, it's an absolute, you can't question it. Uh, and Glenn knows
00:29:02.000
better than everybody else. And I go a step further. You have the hyper secular, uh, left right now,
00:29:09.140
since they don't believe in God and they, they won't openly admit that government is their God and
00:29:16.620
government is their church. You can look nowadays though, that the left, they almost view the medical
00:29:23.000
professionals and especially the ones in science, if you will, as untouchable religious clergy. Now,
00:29:31.320
no, no individual in any position should be untouchable. Uh, they should always be open
00:29:36.960
towards cross-examination, but you could see how the left, especially the ones on, you know,
00:29:42.360
especially the ones that are in the media, they treat it as if certain individuals are above any sort
00:29:47.660
of cross-examination or reproach at all whatsoever. Uh, and this was a point that, you know, the great
00:29:53.700
Dennis Prager made a couple of days ago, where he said, just because you get rid of government
00:29:58.040
doesn't mean the left is going to try to replace, uh, just because you get rid of, uh, God, if you
00:30:02.240
will, and the church doesn't mean that the left won't try to replace that. But I guess Glenn, my
00:30:07.000
question is, um, when you, when you're trying to find someone that is pursuing truth, I guess first you
00:30:12.480
have to convince them that truth actually exists. I know this might be getting deeper and deeper into
00:30:17.680
philosophy, but not everyone even has been convinced that there is anything such as absolute
00:30:23.460
truth. They believe there's something as my truth. And that's rooted in the, um, I think the very
00:30:28.620
dangerous ideology of postmodernism. So that's something I encounter a lot in college campuses
00:30:34.920
where students say, no, there's no such thing as absolute truth. You have your truth. I have my truth.
00:30:39.600
Um, do you think that that's even worth getting into and talking about the ideology of socialism or is
00:30:46.200
it more effective and more useful? Yeah. I'd love to get your thoughts on that. So, um,
00:30:52.380
I, I've always hated, I've always hated, uh, philosophy that is not applied philosophy. If I can't,
00:31:06.140
you know, a wheel is a wheel because we call it a wheel. Okay, fine. Shut up. Um, uh, that mental
00:31:15.080
masturbation, if you will, is, is just ridiculous. It's a waste of time. Applied science, applied
00:31:23.500
philosophy is good. How can I apply this to my own life to make myself better? Um, and I think,
00:31:31.900
you know, that is because for me, at least there are lots of people that don't mind spending their
00:31:37.980
whole life in that circle of philosophical thought that's really not going to move man in one direction
00:31:46.720
or another. Um, and I think there's a lot of people that are stuck on, there is no truth and they're not
00:31:54.100
going to move past it now. Um, and there is urgency to what we do. And my feeling, and I could be totally
00:32:02.700
wrong, but my feeling is you've got to, uh, throw it out and, uh, scatter the seeds, but don't spend any
00:32:13.340
time watering any seed that is on concrete. It's not going to take root. Go where there is a chance of
00:32:21.960
life and a chance of turning and connect with those people because we have real urgency.
00:32:28.360
That's right. Yes. And I, I always laugh when someone says there's no such thing as absolute
00:32:33.180
truth. And I kid with them. Do you believe that? Absolutely. You apply its own logic against the
00:32:37.240
statement. All of a sudden their entire worldview can go crumbling down. But, but Glenn, can you comment
00:32:42.340
for a second? Um, as the other point I made, which is the rise of secular atheism in connection
00:32:48.440
with the strengthening of Marxism? Cause I do believe they're interconnected and they're related.
00:32:53.540
And I think the less spiritual and less religious our country becomes, the more likely we are to
00:32:59.280
embrace a socialist revolution. Uh, do you talk about this in the book? I know that you're a man
00:33:03.440
of faith. You have, um, commented about your faith publicly so many times. You've been a great fighter,
00:33:08.280
uh, for Israel and, uh, done many, uh, amazing events in Jerusalem. Can you please comment on that?
00:33:14.600
Cause I think it's a very important point when talking about the general socialist debate,
00:33:18.580
uh, as it is. Yeah. Let me start, let me start with this, um, kind of a surprising take on this.
00:33:25.800
Some of my best friends are atheists. Um, uh, they're honest atheists. Um, they, uh, they don't hate
00:33:35.760
religion. They don't hate, uh, people of faith. They just don't believe in God and they don't believe
00:33:43.820
they need God, but they, they look at it, um, and say to me, uh, you know, it's great. Your faith
00:33:52.500
is great. It's does wonders for your world. This is the place where we all have to get to. We have
00:33:58.240
to be able to work together. So let me take a surprising tact on this. Some of this stuff, some
00:34:04.780
is caused by, uh, in the past religious people jamming it down everybody else's throat. If you
00:34:12.780
don't go to my church, you're a heathen. If you don't believe exactly what my doctrine says,
00:34:19.920
you're not a believer. Um, if you don't live your life, you are less than worthy.
00:34:26.200
That's what our founders fought against. They fought against it. They went and they would,
00:34:32.340
they, they would be witnesses in trials for faiths that they vehemently disagreed with,
00:34:38.600
but they wanted that faith to be able to plant that seed where it stood. You had to have all of
00:34:46.520
the equal rights. And I think, you know, the problem is, is the pendulum always swings from
00:34:52.260
one extreme to another. And it's in the extremes where we're in trouble. It's always in the center
00:34:57.880
where it's best, where we can live with one another with different points of view. So I think a,
00:35:05.820
that's really important that we are open and not jamming anything down anyone's throat. With that being
00:35:13.160
said, you know, Adam said, this system is, is, uh, wholly inconsistent or incompatible with a,
00:35:24.060
with a group of people that are not religious and spiritual in nature. If you are not a religious
00:35:31.220
person that, that you look to a God to give you a governor, 10 safety tips. Hey, let's not kill each
00:35:40.600
other. Let's not steal. Let's not lie. Just safety tips. If you don't have something giving you those
00:35:47.340
10 things and using and putting a governor on your own animal desires, then somebody is going to have
00:35:56.360
to rule you. But if you can self-regulate, Penn Jillette's a good example of this. He's one of the
00:36:01.560
more moral people I've ever met. Really good guy. Doesn't drink, doesn't smoke. He smokes, doesn't drink,
00:36:08.600
doesn't do drugs, has a great family, is happy, helps his community. He didn't believe in God.
00:36:16.060
Okay. He doesn't need that regulator. He had another regulator. It was his mother and his father.
00:36:23.140
They instilled these things in him. So he just doesn't ever want to shame them. He believes in
00:36:30.040
what they taught him and how to live. But that's not enough for most people. You know,
00:36:37.900
some people will say, well, Glenn, he's crazy because he's a Mormon. Well, I'm not trying to
00:36:43.720
convert you to join me. I didn't want to be a Mormon. I found it to be true. And here's what
00:36:51.000
happened. It changed my life. It totally changed my life. It got rid of all of the edges that I had
00:36:57.700
spent 40 years trying to sand off and I couldn't do it. I needed something with real structure for
00:37:04.180
me. Some people don't need that. It won't work for them. Fine. That's great. Let's what is it that's
00:37:11.080
pushing us to be better people as individuals without a gun, without forcing other people to do it?
00:37:21.100
What is making you a stronger person? My personal opinion is that
00:37:28.920
we are facing the troubles that we're facing because we are rejecting God. I don't believe
00:37:37.700
in an angry, vengeful, send you to hell kind of God. I don't. I do believe in a God that is
00:37:45.120
a creator of all of the earth and the heavens and everything that we know, time itself and space
00:37:52.480
and has set up certain rules. And just like an electric fence, it's not punishing the cows. It just
00:38:01.040
is. If you go too far as a cow, you will hear the electricity as a cow. You'll hear it before you hit
00:38:08.500
it. You hit it and you'll get a shock. That's just something that is. God's laws are like that.
00:38:16.520
If we violate, he's not punishing. It's just the way the universe works. It's the ultimate justice
00:38:24.640
system. It really is. You start living principles that don't work, that go against universal principles
00:38:31.400
and universal truth. It all falls apart. And that's what's happening to us right now.
00:38:36.780
Yeah. You choose to sin. You choose to suffer is one way to put it.
00:38:45.200
Yeah. That's very insightful. And it's a deeper theological discussion, but we can continue.
00:38:54.500
I'd love that. I guess to connect it back to the book, do you talk about how socialism doesn't
00:39:01.920
create good people to kind of just kind of expound on what you just talked about?
00:39:06.260
I don't think socialism brings out the best in human beings. In fact, I think socialism makes
00:39:11.300
people selfish and actually preys on the worst impulses of human behavior.
00:39:16.640
Yeah. I don't talk about it in that way because I wanted to get somebody who was open-minded
00:39:24.220
somewhat to be able to hear some of these arguments. And so, I don't think I condemned them
00:39:32.740
that way or condemned the system in that way, but I think you're right. I can't think of a socialist
00:39:45.760
in history that is somebody that I would want to model my life after. They tend to go astray because
00:39:58.340
things don't work. And when they don't work, they become more frustrated and more dark inside.
00:40:05.920
And if they see themselves as someone in power to change things, that makes them more dark inside
00:40:13.600
as well. I think socialism in this growth of socialism and the death of God in our society
00:40:20.120
is why we're seeing such a high rise in suicides. I mean, there's nothing real here. There's nothing
00:40:30.060
that you can count on. There's no purpose without, in my opinion, without a divine plan, without
00:40:38.220
understanding that there's more than this, that it's bigger than you. And that's what socialism lacks.
00:40:46.480
So, to connect it to modern times, I agree to kind of what's going on politically.
00:40:54.060
Joe Biden getting the presumptive nomination, I actually think in some ways he's much more
00:40:59.440
Alinsky-ite than Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders actually disobeyed the teachings of Saul Alinsky,
00:41:06.000
where he outwardly endorsed the most radical elements of modern politics. He would be openly
00:41:15.120
critical of America. And he said exactly what he believed. Saul Alinsky rules for radicals.
00:41:20.860
Glenn, you were the first person actually to mention rules for radicals that I remember. And then I went on
00:41:26.800
a deep dive, bought the book, read it. Never forget when I opened up rules for radicals,
00:41:31.720
the dedication said to Lucifer, the first fallen angel, something of that sort. It was very eye
00:41:36.000
opening. Yeah. But the one who at least had enough courage, something like the one who at least had
00:41:40.820
enough courage to gain his own kingdom, Satan. It's like, whoa, whoa, it's a kingdom of darkness. Okay.
00:41:49.220
So that's how we're starting. But Saul Alinsky talked about that a true radical would dress in
00:41:55.460
a three-piece suit, pretend to be something that he's not, slick back his hair, infiltrate
00:41:59.560
institutions, not go into the streets and burn the flags, instead use the symbology of a country
00:42:04.780
to take it over. Joe Biden's entire campaign is about rebuilding the soul of America, is about we got
00:42:09.740
to get back to our roots, which is such a difference, Glenn. It's such a, it's a deviation in course
00:42:17.300
from the narrative of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, and that
00:42:24.120
whole wing of the Democrat Party that says, no, no, no, we have a racist, bigoted, homophobic,
00:42:28.020
backwards history. We have to get away from it, burn it down to the ground, French Revolution style,
00:42:32.580
whereas Joe Biden is actually trying to be much more like Obama was in 2008 until his true radicalism
00:42:37.780
slipped out, where he's saying, no, no, no, we have a lot to be proud of. We have to get back
00:42:41.000
to our country's roots. To tie it to modern day politics today, Glenn, how do you view Joe Biden
00:42:49.100
in the entire socialist paradigm? And do you think this is a good thing that Joe Biden is now the
00:42:53.840
nominee? Do you think that we could take it easy, that quote unquote, the Marxist has been defeated?
00:42:59.940
How do you interpret that? I don't even, I mean, I don't think Joe Biden is going to be the nominee
00:43:05.100
because I think I, and I don't say this with any glee or, or any ill will towards Joe Biden at all.
00:43:12.840
I think he is mentally checked out. I don't think he is mentally stable. And I just can't imagine
00:43:20.740
that he's going to be able to navigate all the way through the convention and everything else. I think
00:43:27.280
he's fading quickly. So I think there will be some sort of a hostile takeover at the convention.
00:43:34.380
Maybe I'm wrong on that. If he runs, I think he'll be beaten badly by Donald Trump because
00:43:40.960
the, he's not there. He's just not there. With that being said, the, the interesting thing is if
00:43:50.080
you go back and you look at, for instance, Germany, Germany was this very, very proud nation. And then
00:43:56.180
it was humiliated this, and in a way this happened to us in the 1980s as well. Um, it was humiliated and
00:44:04.040
Hitler was very, very smart. He first in, in the, in the Weimar Republic, they first kind of got rid
00:44:11.840
of all of the trappings of the old regime. By the time it came back to Hitler, uh, Hitler started
00:44:21.100
surrounding himself back with the iron Eagle and everything else, but it had, it had been
00:44:26.800
turned and twisted just a bit. It's, it's like the swastika. That is a, that's a very peaceful,
00:44:33.220
uh, Indian and Native American symbol. Correct. But he twisted it. He turned it. It's it to show
00:44:41.860
progress because he was a progressive. He twisted it. So it looked like it was moving.
00:44:46.420
That's the same thing that he did with everything. And that's the problem with, with these, um,
00:44:53.500
progressives like Joe Biden is we don't know your generation has never seen America the way America
00:44:59.980
is truly free. You've never seen it. You don't remember it. You don't remember what it's like
00:45:04.620
to walk into an airport and not have to worry about these long lines and, and trusting our neighbors
00:45:10.220
and not having our government say snitch on one another and all of this stuff.
00:45:14.080
So when someone like Joe Biden comes to restore it, he can twist it just a little bit for progress.
00:45:24.360
And so all of these images and all of these symbols begin to mean something else. It's why I've
00:45:29.720
always been, uh, none of my sets have flags on them. Uh, I tried to stay away from red, white,
00:45:36.420
and blue and blue and everything else because I believe those cysts, those, those images can be
00:45:42.040
twisted so easily. They all were, I mean, we didn't even have a standardized flag until Woodrow
00:45:48.180
Wilson. We didn't have a national anthem until FDR. All of these images were put in by progressives
00:45:55.100
and they can mean so much to so many people. We have to stay focused on what is true. And that requires
00:46:03.900
you to go back and do history. Everything that, uh, uh, AOC and Tlaib and everybody else is doing,
00:46:11.100
they're still burning down, uh, so many people's belief in anything that is true about America and
00:46:18.260
anything that is good while you have somebody else taking these images and these, these notions that
00:46:24.960
no one, uh, in the younger set even remembers and he's resetting them and recasting them. It's
00:46:31.480
extraordinarily dangerous. Yes. And I mean, in the hierarchy of priorities, I think Joe Biden's number
00:46:38.360
one, uh, priority is the enrichment of his family and the continuation and protection of the corrupt
00:46:46.700
international dealings that he has helped broker in the Bernie Sanders hierarchy of priorities.
00:46:52.200
I really truly believe he is a born and bred angry, bitter Bolshevik who does want to participate
00:46:58.340
in some form of a people's revolution against Western society. Now, Joe Biden will happily allow
00:47:04.360
that to happen. If that means the continuation of his own personal protection and enrichment for the,
00:47:10.560
for the crimes that his son has committed and the action. So therefore in a lot of different ways
00:47:16.020
though, Joe Biden could be argued to be more dangerous because he doesn't actually believe
00:47:20.120
anything. Uh, and again, I actually, I do tend to agree with you, Glenn, that it's hard to see him
00:47:26.140
go from now to election day without rational voters say, hold on a second. I thought this was just a
00:47:32.820
placeholder. I thought this was a, the equivalent, a political equivalent of a treasury bond. Like we're
00:47:37.480
just going to flight to safety until we could figure out things would get better. Um, and it's hard to see
00:47:43.100
him. People say debate. I don't even know if he'll be able to get that far. I mean, the constant
00:47:49.160
errant confusion coming from Joe Biden is, is really, really telling. So Glenn, here's the,
00:47:55.600
here's the thing that I think we're missing. Um, people think that socialism might be on the ropes
00:48:05.760
or whatever. It's not a, there's a chapter, chapter six in the book talks about, um, the worst
00:48:13.340
combination crisis, technology, and, uh, modern monetary theory. And we talk about the crisis
00:48:23.020
would be joblessness. And once there's joblessness, technology will start to, they know they will need
00:48:30.520
the government and the government will know they need them to watch people. So they will marry one
00:48:35.640
another and they'll need to flood the system with all kinds of bailouts. And, and, uh, they'll need
00:48:42.000
to do all kinds of these socialist programs with modern monetary theory. Well, while I didn't know
00:48:48.200
about Corona virus, when we set this, uh, and lock this for print, that is what we're doing right now.
00:48:55.420
The Fed is using modern monetary theory, which is just money printing. It is a socialist dream,
00:49:03.360
a socialist dream. We just did $6 trillion. They're asking for another half a trillion dollars today.
00:49:09.700
Uh, Charlie, when, when somebody says this, this program is going to cost 10 billion,
00:49:13.680
$10 trillion a year, it won't mean anything soon. Yes. And it's even worse than it's worse than money
00:49:20.980
printing, Glenn, because at least money printing would have some sort of physical requirement.
00:49:25.420
Of us actually having to monitor it. We're money creating, which is even worse. I know it's a,
00:49:30.480
it's a technical, you know, difference of, of linguistics, but if you had to print it,
00:49:34.880
we would actually stop ourselves because you couldn't print this amount of money as quickly.
00:49:39.260
We wouldn't have the amount of physical infrastructure to actually print $6 trillion,
00:49:45.360
$100 bills. Um, and I know that's a silly thing to say for some people, but would literally take us
00:49:50.500
from now to September of manufacturing plants of hundreds of millions of square feet to do it.
00:49:56.360
The math has actually been done. You would need, uh, gigatons of ink to do it. But anyway,
00:50:04.660
You're exact. I never thought it that way. That's really, really good.
00:50:07.440
So, thank you. Um, so, but I do want to zero in on that. Uh, you talk about, uh, in chapter six,
00:50:15.220
Glenn, where you talk about the modern monetary theory and some of the instruments within, um,
00:50:20.320
our monetary system. I actually want to ask the thesis of the book that I didn't get a chance
00:50:24.340
to ask Glenn. You say, what happens if socialists get power? Um, tell us Glenn, what happens if
00:50:30.280
socialists get power? And are we actually seeing some of that through some of our congressional leaders,
00:50:35.320
um, through what they're advocating for right now? Um, let's tie it back to actually the sub
00:50:40.700
line of the book. Uh, one of the intro sentences when describing the book is Glenn talks about
00:50:44.780
what happens if socialists get power times of crisis is when Marxists, they look their chops
00:50:50.260
from a man. Rom Emanuel famously said, never let a crisis go to waste. He doubled down on that
00:50:54.360
statement three weeks ago on MSNBC. What happens Glenn, if these people win?
00:50:59.540
Well, you're already seeing it. Um, you, it's amazing how, uh, the left has said that, uh,
00:51:05.320
Donald Trump is a tyrant. Donald Trump is a fascist. And yet it is the democratic governors
00:51:11.400
that continue to ask him to take control of the national guard and send the national guard.
00:51:18.360
That's the governor's job, not the president's job to send the national guard into their state
00:51:23.620
to tell these corporations exactly what they have to make for the national interest. That is the
00:51:30.760
definition of fascism. They don't, they don't own the factory. They just tell the factory what to do.
00:51:38.220
That's what the left is currently asking. They are currently telling you to snitch on your neighbors,
00:51:45.140
to turn them in. You'll get cash. If you turn them in on things, they're arresting people for things
00:51:51.400
that are absolutely common sense. So don't, don't, you don't have to ask what will America look like
00:51:59.360
if it's in the hands of socialists, you're seeing it happen right now. You're seeing also
00:52:05.620
disturbing trends with Google and Facebook and all of these others. Do you know that Kansas
00:52:10.740
is now, um, using, uh, and I can't remember the name of it, uh, a software program that can track
00:52:18.880
everyone in the state of Kansas, their movements through their cell phones. They know exactly where
00:52:24.600
everyone is at all times. If they have a cell phone, she's since I wouldn't have thought Kansas
00:52:31.080
would be on the pioneering front of Orwellian social monitoring, but exactly right. But it's
00:52:36.960
for the common good. They can't, the, the companies in America that are making drones cannot keep up
00:52:44.340
with the orders that are coming in from the local police departments. These are not your standard,
00:52:50.040
you know, buy it at Best Buy drone. This is a, this is a military grade drone. Sure. These are
00:52:55.420
you can't keep up. Yeah. Yeah. They can't keep up with the orders. What do you think they're going
00:53:01.560
to do after COVID-19? Yeah. They're already changing the monetary system. They're no longer voting in
00:53:08.280
Congress except for voice vote. The, the people who are repairing our roads, they have to go out to
00:53:14.260
work. They're essential. The people in the media, they're essential, but Congress is not essential.
00:53:21.180
They don't have to go in and vote. They're just passing this bill after bill after bill,
00:53:27.280
some of the most staggering bills in our history and no one is there to debate them.
00:53:33.180
This is what socialism looks like. Yeah. And I do want to compliment the president in this
00:53:38.860
aspect where he has been trying to be pushed by the media and the governors to, to essentially
00:53:44.960
go full fascist. And the president has said, wait a second, there's a thing called the constitution,
00:53:50.900
a document that I love. You guys got to figure this out yourselves. We're here to help you,
00:53:55.420
but it's you, it's on you guys, governors. This is a state-based thing. And, um, it's as if,
00:54:00.200
and I have a couple competing theories on this. One of the theories, and I think that they want to set
00:54:05.360
a precedent for a Republican president to use this sort of unilateral quasi martial law power
00:54:10.980
so that a Democrat could use it in the future. And I do give the president credit for resisting that
00:54:16.440
and for pointing to the constitution and for saying, Hey, we're a federalist approach. We're
00:54:20.900
going to go state by state. We are here to help you calling out good governors for doing a better job
00:54:25.920
than others. And the president was even hesitant to use the war productions act. And he hasn't used it as
00:54:32.220
much as some governors have wanted him to. He's used it in with general motors. And you could
00:54:37.680
actually make the argument general motors is somewhat of a government, government existent
00:54:41.960
entity only because of the taxpayers. Again, I don't love the idea of telling private industry,
00:54:46.280
go make stuff. But I, again, I'm not, I have no love lost for government motors. Uh, I mean,
00:54:51.320
general motors, I'm sorry. Uh, but I, I, I do want to zero in on this Glenn, because what you're
00:54:58.280
saying here is an erosion of individual liberty and erosion of individual freedom, erosion of the
00:55:03.800
first amendment, erosion of the second amendment, erosion of the fourth amendment, erosion of the
00:55:07.700
10th amendment. Um, can you give us something to be optimistic about? Because it seems as if what
00:55:13.960
you're talking about in this time of crisis, give our audience some optimism and some positivity.
00:55:20.060
Okay. Let me give you a couple of stories here. First of all, um, look how, look how the media
00:55:27.420
and the left have done everything to get rid of, uh, hydroxychloroquine. They've done everything to
00:55:34.060
discredit it. And the only reason why they are discrediting it is because of Donald Trump. He
00:55:38.920
mentioned it. He thought it was good. So it must be bad. It must be evil. He must be making money.
00:55:43.820
It has failed spectacularly. They are, they are not making any in ground on Donald Trump. Um,
00:55:51.800
they are only discrediting them themselves over and over again. So the mouthpiece, if you will,
00:55:57.980
is getting weaker and weaker and weaker. While I believe the president is getting stronger and
00:56:02.680
stronger in all of the right ways because he's not taking executive power and abusing it like FDR did.
00:56:11.740
Um, let me give you a story about a guy in, uh, Massachusetts. He's a guy who, uh, moved from,
00:56:18.100
uh, the Azores to Maine. I think when he was two years old, his family escaped the socialist
00:56:24.140
dictators in the Azores. Um, he grew up, he went and he fought in the Navy. Uh, he did his,
00:56:32.260
he did his thing. He became a gun store owner. They've tried to put him out after nine 11. They tried
00:56:37.680
to put him out of business and make him close. He wouldn't, uh, then they, they finally ran him out
00:56:43.580
of business because the insurance companies just kept jacking up the insurance for the, the, the,
00:56:50.220
uh, guy who owned the building that he was operating out of. And so he couldn't afford to stay in.
00:56:56.000
He reopened a store in 2008, the Corona virus hit. Uh, he was told by the federal government,
00:57:04.760
here are the recommendations and here are essential businesses. Guns were part of those essential
00:57:10.380
businesses. The state of Massachusetts, the governor said, Nope, not guns. And, and he removed the
00:57:19.360
ability of any gun store owner to be able to go in and get some of the federal money because you were
00:57:25.720
being forced to close the constitution states that you, the government must, uh, uh, give you some
00:57:34.700
sort of remuneration here for, uh, anything that they, yeah, they take away from you. So they're
00:57:41.020
taking it away. They've got to pay. The governor went and scratched it out. I talked to him today.
00:57:47.000
Uh, he is, he's like, I'm never going to close. I am never going to close my door. He said,
00:57:53.440
I meet people out on the sidewalk. Business is better than ever. There are people that are standing
00:57:59.340
up. Look to the governor of South Dakota. She's remarkable. She said, you know, she's a great,
00:58:04.680
friend. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. Uh, this state understands this governor understands it's the
00:58:11.860
right of the people and the responsibility of the people to take care of their own health. This,
00:58:18.420
this idea that people are smart enough to figure it out, to, uh, control their own lives. I think the
00:58:26.800
coronavirus is going to go one of two ways. It's going to make big government, evil, big government,
00:58:31.580
uh, even more big and evil. And it's going to set the other side and say, Ooh, wait a minute.
00:58:38.420
That kind of looks spooky and they're going to grow as well. How it ends.
00:58:44.640
Well, so that, that's so well said. And I actually, I wrote down on this piece of paper. I said,
00:58:49.260
we're either going to have our road to surf them inflection moment or our wealth of nations
00:58:53.960
inflection moment. One or the other. Um, and so it's one where we could have serious
00:58:59.500
renaissance pent up demand. We're never going back to that. We don't trust the government.
00:59:04.240
Let's invest entrepreneurial activity. We go back to that description of Alexis de Tocqueville,
00:59:09.340
where he called Americans restless. And I do see that Glenn. I do see a lot of people that are
00:59:13.780
more committed than ever to take risks and get back in the marketplace and to create the beauty of
00:59:20.440
America. But I'm afraid conversely with that, there might be a portion of America, um, that might say,
00:59:27.220
Hey, this is not so bad. Maybe we could be in, maybe we could be taken care of. I, I, I'm remain
00:59:33.680
optimistic. I think that we actually can see a restoration of self-governance and, um, of
00:59:41.220
constitutional, uh, ideas. Please Glenn, uh, comment on that. Uh, I think, I think that it all depends
00:59:47.960
Charlie on whether or not, um, whether or not when we restart this economy, we can get out of the hole
00:59:55.880
of 20 or 30% unemployment. If we have 20 or 30% unemployment, people are going to want and need
01:00:02.040
someone to hold them, uh, up and, and help them through that. Um, and, uh, and that will change
01:00:10.320
everything. Whoever is in charge at that point, the programs that they put in, if they are not
01:00:15.980
sunsetted and I mean dead on this specific date, um, we'll have them forever. Um, it, it really
01:00:26.480
will depend on whether or not we make it not just through this, uh, crash, but there's a real
01:00:34.340
possibility that this happens again to us in October or November of next year. If we haven't prepared and
01:00:41.480
we are not any farther down the research lane, if this thing comes back, we could have real, real
01:00:49.340
trouble. So in closing here, Glenn, I want to give you an opportunity to just fill in any other,
01:00:54.740
uh, kind of parts of the book. We didn't get a chance to talk about, but before we get to that,
01:00:58.600
I just want to reinforce to the audience, Glenn has had such an important impact on my life and was one
01:01:04.100
of the reasons I got into politics and started turning point USA, uh, at, at all. And I remember his
01:01:10.180
show, uh, it was either three or 4 PM Eastern. It was right after school. So it'd have to be 4 PM
01:01:14.740
Eastern. If I remember correctly with the big chalkboard. And just so you know, Glenn predicted,
01:01:19.400
uh, before anyone else, the European debt crisis, he predicted the calamity in Libya. He predicted
01:01:26.820
the rise of ISIS. He predicted, uh, the negative impacts of illegal immigration. And these are just
01:01:33.780
the ones off the top of my head. He talked about the crisis on college campuses, the cultural
01:01:38.360
Marxist takeover, um, and was really instructive to a lot of people, especially during the tea
01:01:42.920
party movement, um, back in 2010 and 2011, where there was a lot of anger and people were looking
01:01:49.040
for, well, where, where do ideas come from again? And I still think Glenn, a lot of the conservative
01:01:53.220
movement, uh, is very well informed based on that teaching you've done back then and today. So
01:01:57.680
I just had to get that. I had to say that. So Glenn, anything else about the book, arguing with
01:02:02.060
socialists, I encourage everyone to go by it. Anything else you wanted to mention that we didn't get a
01:02:05.140
chance to cover? No, I don't. I don't think so. Charlie, you're very, very kind to me. And I
01:02:09.680
appreciate it. Your words are really very kind. Um, thank you. Um, I think the, I think the only
01:02:17.220
thing is this book was written for people like you, uh, and the people at turning point, it was written
01:02:24.960
in a way that you have the facts, you have the breadcrumbs, you can go back to the original sources,
01:02:31.520
you can think it through yourself and, and you got to exercise your mind in all of these and be able
01:02:38.660
to find those sources, uh, to be able to make those arguments. Uh, and I think if it's, if it's used and,
01:02:46.020
and really utilized, especially the, the, all the footnotes, uh, I think you can make a huge,
01:02:52.400
huge impact. And my children, my young children's lives and their future and my future depend really
01:02:59.520
on what you do now. And I think turning point is, uh, uh, I said this when I spoke at, um, at your,
01:03:08.680
um, uh, thing in, uh, where were we? West Palm, Florida, uh, SAS. And I, and I said, uh, I walked
01:03:15.820
out and I said, you give me hope. And it's true. Uh, this movement actually really, truly gives me hope
01:03:23.280
that there is a, there is a generation that's coming up that truly gets it. So thank you for
01:03:30.640
the opportunity. God bless you, Glenn. Thank you. And again, the book is arguing with socialists.
01:03:35.520
Get your copy today. Uh, let's support Glenn and Glenn. Thanks so much for joining the Charlie
01:03:39.280
Kirk show. God bless you. Gosh. Thanks, Charlie. Appreciate it.
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