Ep 81 ｜ White House’s Female Fighter Reveals the TRUTH of Working for Trump ｜ Sarah Huckabee Sanders ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Former White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was one of the most recognizable women in America. She was the first woman to ever serve as a White House Press Secretary, and she also became the left s favorite punching bag. If she had worked for a Democratic president, she would be celebrated as a national hero. She would be hanging out with Oprah. But instead, she was reviled in the press. And she left with the full trust of the President of the United States and her dignity intact.
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Right towards the beginning of President Trump's administration, our guest today was one of the
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most recognizable women in America. That was not her intention when she was invited to join the
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White House staff, but the unique and unprecedented media assault on this administration thrust her
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into a spotlight, and it was a harsh, hot spotlight. She was the first mother to ever
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serve as a White House press secretary. She also became the left's favorite punching bag. If she
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had worked for a Democratic president, she would be celebrated as a national hero. She would be
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hanging out with Oprah now, but instead she was reviled in the press. She was kicked out of a
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restaurant for daring to show her face. She ended up having to have Secret Service, the first one ever
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to have Secret Service protection because of the violent threats against her and her children.
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Her story epitomizes today what's happening and the vitriol and the hatred and the desperation
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to stop Donald Trump. So how did she handle? How did she withstand it? How did she how did she leave
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with her soul after the vicious attacks? And she left with the full trust of the president of the
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United States and her dignity intact. Today, you're going to get to hear the real story. Sarah Huckabee
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Sanders. She has a new book, Speaking Out for Myself, and that's what she's doing on today's podcast.
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Sarah, uh, it's a glutton for punishment. Uh, now you write a book and you go on a, on a book tour
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and do interviews about it. Uh, and I know what it's like to be in your chair with a media that
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has their mind made up and they will not let you, um, say what you really feel or who you really
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are. Um, well, I think it's less that they won't let me say it, but they don't want to hear it. They
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don't care to hear positive things about somebody who worked in the Trump white house. And I, that's
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one of the reasons that, um, you call it a glutton for punishment, but it's one of the reasons that I
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want to be out there is because there've been so many books and so many, uh, negative things said
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about the president. And I spent two and a half years, almost every single day of those two and a
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half years with the president. And I want people to see him the way that I did during that time and
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get to know Donald Trump in the way that I did. And I really try to make that come out in the book.
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So I think you did a great job on that. You do get a feeling of what it, uh, felt like to be there,
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what it feels like the trouble at the beginning, um, and the other side of Trump that nobody, um,
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gets to see. Um, if, if, if I were asked you to take two snapshots, one that shows the complete,
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um, lack of honesty or integrity or even interest where you witness something, you're like, I can't
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believe I was just in that room and now I'm hearing it from these people and it's not the same.
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Can you give me that? And what the, what kept you there? The, the one thing that would keep you going
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out to a lion's den to have them just feast on you every day?
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So I'll, I'll start with, um, the, the first question. And, um, sadly I have too many examples
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of that, but one in particular that really stands out was actually, as I was leaving the white house,
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um, the president had announced that I would be departing at the end of the month and a group
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of reporters that I worked with on the regular, um, that were always at the white house came by my
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office. Um, several of them, I had a very good relationship with, I know that's hard to believe,
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but in this moment, um, they were thanking me, telling me how much they'd enjoyed working with me.
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They were going to miss me. One in particular, um, she had tears in her eyes and was like,
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I'm going to miss you. Like you've been so great. Like this has been such a good working relationship.
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And then the next morning I'm sitting in my office and I see, you know, my name scroll across the
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bottom of the screen. So I turned the sound on the TV up and that reporter is on and they're asking
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it. And she's like, she had to go. It was time, no credibility left. Like she had to be out of the
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building. I was like, wait a minute. You literally were almost crying in my office yesterday, telling
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me how much you were going to miss me, how great of a relationship that we had developed over the
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course of those two years. And now like it's, you know, cause you're on a mainstream cable network
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that doesn't like the president. It's like, Oh, couldn't say anything nice about this person.
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So that would be one of those moments where you just saw just complete hypocrisy and a total
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double standard of the media in terms of why I went out there every day. It's because I love our
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country. And I believe in standing up and being very vocal about the things I believe in. And I
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wanted to be helpful to the president. And if I felt I could play even the smallest role in helping
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him continue to make our country better, then I felt an obligation to do that.
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I don't think people, and I haven't been at your level, um, um, and far from it, but I have
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gone through the machine where they are, where they just destroy you. And I don't think people
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understand what that feels like. Can you describe or explain maybe what you were surprised by? I mean,
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you had to know you were running into trouble, but sometimes the, the reality is far beyond anything
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you ever would expect. I think the thing that probably surprised me the most was the level of
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vitriol and also that nothing was off limits. Um, you know, everything from my appearance, my makeup,
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my hair, my clothes, my fitness, to be a mother, my ability to bake a pie. Um, everything was on the
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table and, you know, multiple members of the media regularly attacked me, not for my politics,
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but for me as a person. And so that was much different. I think that I expected, I've always
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been prepared, uh, to fight back for what I believe in and principles that I think are important and
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what's right, but to have to defend myself, um, on whether or not I'm a capable parent or whether
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or not I should have worn red when I wore blue. Um, those were things I didn't necessarily plan for
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and hadn't really expected. I mean, I even had a member of the mainstream media say I should be
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choked. A Hollywood actor suggested my kids should be kidnapped. I mean, that level of anger and hatred
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was something that I wasn't necessarily prepared for going in. The red hen incident, which you talk
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about in the book. Um, you are the first, uh, um, uh, spokesperson for the president that has
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ever needed, uh, and issued secret service protection. Tell me what that felt like when people
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surrounded you and, uh, and, and you realized, uh, my gosh, regular Americans are now doing this
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for me. And, and, and specifically as a parent, that was the most difficult challenge is knowing
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that the role that I was playing, um, kept me from, from being able to really protect my kids.
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And, um, um, that was a very scary realization and a very difficult thing to process. Um, and wanting
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to do everything you can to make sure, you know, we're protecting, we're raising them the way that
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we're supposed to, um, teaching them to love America, to love freedom, to love their faith and
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have that challenged in a way, um, that didn't just verbally make you have to respond, but that you had
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to be prepared, you know, from a physical threat. And that was something, um, that was extremely
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difficult for me and going through that, the red hen incident, um, that one came kind of out of left
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field. I, I had gone to meet my family in Lexington, Virginia. Uh, they had already been there for a day
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or so before I arrived. I'd just come off a long week. I drove down from DC through rush hour. I was
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exhausted. I sit down at the table and within a minute or two of sitting down before I even,
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you know, have a chance to get settled and say hello to my family. The owner of the restaurant
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comes over, asked to speak with me and lets me know that she thinks I'm a horrible person.
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Um, I don't belong there. I don't represent their community and kicked me out of the restaurant.
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And I was a little taken aback, but I just said, okay. I whispered to my husband that I'd been
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kicked out of the restaurant. I grabbed my things and I walked out. What a lot of people don't know
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is the second part of that story. And I talk about that in the book is after my husband and I
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went back home to the place we were staying, the rest of our family went to a restaurant across the
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street and the owner of the red hen actually followed them to that second restaurant, gathered
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a group of friends, held up makeshift signs and protested them at another restaurant until one of my
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family members who actually is not a Trump supporter and voted for Hillary Clinton, went outside and
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said, look, Sarah's not even here and you're not helping our calls, like go home. And so they
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finally, you know, dissipated and left. But that level of anger to one, kick me out of a restaurant.
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I don't think we ever want to be the type of country that has Democrat restaurants and Republican
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restaurants. And to have that moment and then to continue it, to follow them even after I'd left
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was, you know, pretty eye opening and just showed the level of anger and hatred from the liberal mob
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for people that don't agree with them. So you just used a keyword, liberal, the liberal mob.
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And I don't have a problem with liberals per se. I don't have a problem with people who vote
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differently. I don't understand you, but OK, you know, and I can live next door to somebody who
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vehemently disagrees with me as long as we agree on certain principles. And we used to have,
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you know, an American set of principles that we all agreed on. So are you do you believe that
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this vitriol and this anger and rage is is happening to the average Democrat now as much as before?
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Or do you think the average person who is always considered themselves a Democrat is is looking
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at their own party and saying, you guys are in bed now with crazy anti-American Marxists.
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Do you see any opening of that at all? I definitely think over the last couple of months,
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we've seen some people go, whoa, this is not what we signed up for. And we aren't supporting
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people that turn our cities to the ground that want to, you know, create violent atmospheres in
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a lot of major cities across the country. I don't think that most Democrats, particularly those kind
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of in the middle, want to see that. The problem is the radical left has so taken over the Democrat
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party that they've become beholden to this sector of their party and have not had the ability to fight
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back. We saw that in the primaries. They moved so far to the left. Look, the primary is always you're
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going to have your candidate move a little more to the right on the Republican side, a little more to
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the left on the Democrats. That's not new. But the distance that they moved from the center and how far
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to the left they went, I think is surprising for a lot of Democrats, at least I hope so. And I hope
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that they realize that that radical left is very dangerous for our country and is not the direction
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that we want to go. I mean, the ideas that they're pushing on that end of their party have never worked
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in any country. I don't know why we would think, oh, let's try it here. It's never worked before.
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Socialism has always been a disaster. But you know what? I think we could do it. Let's let's give it a
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try. Like why that makes sense to anyone. I don't understand. Most people flee those countries and
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come to America because it's so much better because they want this freedom. They want to live in a
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country where they can dream anything, they can be anything and they can do anything. And they want
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to take that away. I don't know why we would allow a group again, that radical left to destroy what
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makes America so special and so unique. So my theory has always been, and I said this in 2008,
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and I said, sorry, I said this in 2004, I think, when they put Michael Moore in the presidential box
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of the Democratic Convention with Jimmy Carter. And I said, you know, liberals, you are making your bed
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with the devil. You are inviting Marxists in who believe in something radically different and you
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think you're going to use them as fuel. And then you can put that genie back in the bottle, but they
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will eat you. And I wondered now if when you were seeing the president and seeing the behind the scenes
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machinery with Schumer and Pelosi and the others, are they afraid of the left now? Do they know that
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they're about to be eaten? Or do they just really, do they really believe this stuff?
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You know, I honestly, I don't know. But I don't think they realize that they're getting played.
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And that's, I think, almost as scary as letting the left control everything is letting a group of
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people who have no idea what's going on and have no backbone, they don't have the conviction to stand
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up and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're not going down this road. We're still Americans. We still hold
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on to a few just pillars of what makes our country special. We're not willing to abandon that. And I
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haven't seen the leadership in the Democrat Party do that. If anything, they've bowed to this
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leftist side because that side is so much louder. You know, we have an expression in the South that
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just because somebody eats their soup louder doesn't mean it tastes better. And I think that
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you know, the left, not the Democrats, the left is gathering now and have been gathering since 2016
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on this integrity in transition project. And they are now saying that the right and the right wing
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extremists and the Nazis and the all of these people are going to start a civil war because of the election
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in November. And so they are now planning on what they have to do to counter to be able to fight
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for the Republic. I see what's happening now and how the media is covering for Black Lives Matter and
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letting people get away with things that you arrest people for. How, how plausible do you think it is
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that the election and the voting system, you know, the mail in vote is done intentionally to cause more
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chaos and more strife? I'm hopeful that that's not the case. Obviously, I'm a supporter of the
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president. So I'm very hopeful, hopeful that he wins outright and it's clear and it's decisive and we
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don't have a long drawn out process. I think that could be very detrimental, very dangerous for our
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country and very divisive. So I'm hopeful that whatever the outcome is, that it's very clear,
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that it's very decisive. And obviously, I hope it favors the president. You know, I'm sure you know,
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I said this to the president. I said, you know, that during your election and he just stopped me,
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he says, oh no, I'm very well aware. I'm very well aware of where you stood, Glenn. But I did,
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I missed several things in him. And honestly, I saw a New York liberal and I thought he's never going
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to, he's never going to do any of these things. He's kept his promise. But the one thing I worried
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about and I warned about it in, you know, in the election of 2016, in the last year, there's going
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to be some event that is going to crush our economy and cause all kinds of strife. And I fear this guy
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will be a guy who will out FDR, FDR, and he will grab control because that's in his root. And I had
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nothing to, nothing to prove that other than he was a New York kind of guy. He's been the exact
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opposite of that. And yet they call him a dictator. They say that he's going to, he won't, he won't
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leave the office if, if he loses. Is there anything that you have seen that shows anything like that?
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What I saw day in and day out from the president is somebody who loves this country and who didn't
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need to be president. He'd already been a celebrity. He had already been very successful in business.
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He'd made a lot of money. He'd written bestsellers. He'd kind of already hit the peak in a lot of areas
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and he didn't need to be president. But I think our country needed him at this moment. They needed
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somebody to shake things up, to be the disruptor that he's been. I think a lot of people were like
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you and they were skeptical early on about Donald Trump, but he's governed more conservative than
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anybody in my lifetime. I mean, he has been very good for the pro-life community. He has been great
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for religious freedom. But more than that, and not just for conservatives, he has done things that
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impact every demographic of Americans that make their life better. You know, he's regularly attacked
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for not, you know, I guess a lot of people want to paint him as somebody different that hasn't been
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good for the black community. When in reality, he's done more for the black community in America in four
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years than Joe Biden's done in 40 years in government. The president fought for and secured
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and passed legislation for criminal justice reform. He got HBCU historic funding and made it permanent,
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created opportunity zones, which have been significant, made a significant impact in a lot
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of minority communities across the country. And let's not forget the economy. And it wasn't just
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black Americans that did better under Donald Trump's economy. Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans,
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all have the lowest unemployment in history prior to the coronavirus. And so I think if you look at the
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policies and you look at the substance of what this president has done, he's made America better for
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everybody. I don't, you know, I was, I was really concerned. And I think a lot of Americans were,
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and maybe some still are about his use of Twitter. And, but I have come to a place to realize it is his
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fearlessness and his, his wrecking ball that he just puts out there every day. And he doesn't care
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that is actually exposed. You know, I, it was like impeachment. He, they go after him for impeachment
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and he's, he's, he's such a wrecking ball, but all of a sudden the wall comes down. You're like,
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holy cow, look what's behind the wall. And, you know, I wonder if he's not at times genius,
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lucky, or I don't know. I mean, do you ever get the feeling that he, when he swings something
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towards a wall and it comes down that he knew what was on the other, I know he'd tell you he did,
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but do you think? I think, I think he hopes that it's there. And, you know, one of the things I loved
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about the president and watching him in a negotiation is we would go in and I think he would have a certain
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set of things he was hoping to get and everybody had kind of agreed, but the president always had
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a whole nother set of stuff he wanted. And he wasn't just happy with asking for a good deal.
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He wanted the best deal. So he would go in, the team would sit there and have this kind of agreed
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upon list. And then he'd go ahead and lean into the other 10 things. And everybody's like, wait a
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minute. And he's like, well, let's not just waste time. He's like, I don't want to leave until I get it
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all. And, you know, he would push harder and more aggressive than anybody else had ever seen. And he
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wasn't going to take no for an answer. And I think the only reason he was able to get things like the
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USMCA deal done and pass historic tax cuts at the levels that he did was because he said, I won't
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accept anything less. And I think because he has that kind of wrecking ball mentality, people didn't want
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to go against him and eventually gave in and said, you know what, maybe he's right. Let's do this.
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Let's give it a try. And it's worked well for him. So I, I had a conversation with him
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relatively recently, and it was before COVID and we were talking about China. And I said, I am
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hoping Mr. President, that, you know, we disagree on trade, but I am hoping that you are using your
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Tiffany's strategy. Uh, and he said, Tiffany strategy. And I said, uh-huh. The way you built
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Trump tower. And he just laughed and he said, good for you for knowing that. And I think it's one of the
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things that people don't understand. He, part of his, uh, his, uh, way, his method is to be the guy
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with the twitchy eye. He's not, he's not crazy, but you're not sure he won't do something crazy.
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You know what I mean? And that's the way he's always just opened things and changed the paradigm.
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So can you, can you talk to a little bit about that? Cause people, I think there are some people
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that think he's just, you know, shooting from the hip. He doesn't know what he's doing. He's
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not well read. He's just going in and vomiting out words where I think he is actually much more
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strategic. I think you're definitely right. Um, and he does have that sense. If I,
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if everybody knows what you're going to do and you say, if you don't do this, this is what I'm
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going to do. Well, then you've, you've given your entire playbook to the other side and the president
00:28:08.800
never wants anybody to know what his playbook looks like. It was one of the things he talked about
00:28:13.640
that frustrated him so much with Obama is he would tell our adversaries, you know, exactly when we were
00:28:20.780
going to withdraw or here's what we're going to do next. And he's like, why would you ever tell
00:28:24.700
the enemy what your plan is? And he said, we have to have a level of unpredictability. So they don't
00:28:32.360
know what our next move is. So we have the element of surprise and we get more of what we're working
00:28:38.100
towards. And I think that's how, I think you're exactly right. There was a strategy behind a lot
00:28:43.980
of those moments that most people thought, Oh my gosh, he's crazy. Like, I can't believe he's doing
00:28:48.760
that, but really there was a very clear method to the madness and he had a, a solid, clear goal in
00:28:56.200
mind and he was going to take steps to make sure he got there. When you went with him, you talk about
00:29:02.880
it in the book, uh, to meet Kim Jong ill, right? Uh, is it on or ill? I can't remember. One's a son,
00:29:10.920
one's a father, but, um, uh, you, I mean, that was, that had to be a surreal moment. And here's
00:29:21.900
the president saying all kinds, he's saying, I'm going to, you know, he'll burn in the fires of the
00:29:27.060
fury of the, you know, nuclear missiles. And the next moment he's like, he's a great guy. We talked
00:29:32.500
basketball. I mean, it was insane. Um, tell me what it was like to be there and what you saw that
00:29:41.740
we didn't see. You know, it was like you said, I think surreal is probably one of the best words
00:29:48.780
you could use to describe it because there's nothing else like walking into that room. Um,
00:29:54.880
and, and first watching that moment unfold between the two leaders walking across that carpet and
00:30:01.980
shaking hands for the very first time, very historic moment. Um, and to witness that firsthand
00:30:07.520
and then later sit at the table, um, across from Kim Jong Un was, uh, startling in some ways,
00:30:14.300
but also very surreal. Uh, one of the things that I thought the president was masterful at both in that
00:30:21.240
meeting, as well as, you know, watching him over the course of that two and a half year timeframe
00:30:25.920
was his ability to connect with somebody, talk about things that they were interested in,
00:30:31.620
but then still managed to cover NBA basketball and make a sharp right turn and start talking
00:30:37.180
about denuclearization. Not a lot of people can fit those two topics into the same one hour conversation
00:30:43.420
like Donald Trump can do. And he did it seamlessly and flawlessly to be able to engage them at a level
00:30:51.120
that they wanted to talk about things. Um, but then still accomplish his goals and lay out what he
00:30:56.900
expected. So what did we, what did we get from that in the end? What, what will be the legacy there?
00:31:04.380
Well, I think the, the first couple of things, um, were the buildup from before that meeting,
00:31:10.740
certainly, uh, getting our hostages back from North Korea was certainly, I think a very positive
00:31:17.040
thing, getting the remains of us soldiers back and giving those families closure, stopping and halting
00:31:23.380
testing, uh, during that timeframe. But even just the open dialogue to start a conversation,
00:31:29.980
um, it's not lost on anybody. The challenge that is presented of taking nuclear weapons away from Kim
00:31:36.580
Jong-un or anybody else. Um, that is going to be difficult no matter what nation you're trying to
00:31:44.020
accomplish that with. Um, and particularly a place like North Korea and the president went into that
00:31:50.200
clear-eyed and very well aware that that was an uphill battle, but it was one worth going down
00:31:56.660
that road. And I feel like he's made progress. Does that mean it'll happen in his presidency?
00:32:01.800
I don't know, but he's definitely making steps in the right direction. We were at an all time high,
00:32:07.780
uh, level of tension between the United States and North Korea that has dropped down. And now there's
00:32:14.080
at least some dialogue. There's also the sanctions, the toughest ever sanctions that have ever been
00:32:20.120
on North Korea are still in place. And I think that that has been a key, uh, component of the
00:32:27.260
president's strategy with North Korea is not lifting those sanctions while the conversations were ongoing.
00:32:33.220
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00:32:39.800
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00:32:48.980
Um, my wife has been telling me, you got it, please just stop. Just stop. Yeah. Well, uh, she wanted me
00:32:56.060
to eat these protein bars and all protein bars taste like sawdust. At least that's what I told her. Then
00:33:02.280
she was gone and I tried a, uh, protein bar that she was eating and she told me they were really,
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00:33:13.960
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00:34:00.080
Let me go to the Middle East. My entire life, everyone I knew said, why are we in bed with
00:34:11.260
people? Why don't we just say that's the capital in Jerusalem and let the chips fall where they
00:34:17.920
may? And State Department and all the experts always said, no, no, it'll be the biggest war
00:34:23.720
ever. I don't know a lot of people that thought that that would happen that way. Donald Trump
00:34:29.640
was the first one to just go, screw it. I'm not going your way. Is this the reason they
00:34:39.160
hate him so much? Because he's disrupting this deep state or this state that just thinks they
00:34:49.660
I think it's definitely has to be one of the big reasons. And it wasn't just the embassy. It was
00:34:57.360
the Iran deal. It was the Paris Climate Agreement. These were all things that people said, if you do
00:35:06.240
this, essentially, the world will come to an end. And the president said, I don't believe you. And he
00:35:12.260
did it. And look, we're all still here. The world didn't end. And he was right to push forward on things
00:35:17.780
that so many other people had spoken out against, but been afraid to do. I mean, every president
00:35:22.280
before him said they would move the embassy. And then when the moment came, they never did it.
00:35:26.620
And this was a president who said, you know what? We said we were going to do it. We're going to do it.
00:35:31.600
And they couldn't handle that he actually followed through on something he said he was going to do
00:35:37.380
and disrupted the order of how they felt things should happen. And certainly, I think that's one of the
00:35:43.340
reasons that the American people love Donald Trump. And it's one of the reasons the D.C. swamp hates
00:35:49.180
him. So I don't know if you saw the news. I think it came out this week about Vindman,
00:35:57.240
that Vindman turns out to be the whistleblower. And the whistleblower was not really a whistleblower.
00:36:06.140
The whistleblower got all of the information from Vindman because it couldn't come from Vindman.
00:36:13.340
And the Democratic side knew about it. That's why Peter Schiff was saying all of a sudden,
00:36:23.520
no, no, you can't know who he was. First, you can absolutely interview him. We're going to bring
00:36:27.900
him to the table. Then, no, no one can know his name because it would have gone back to Vindman.
00:36:33.120
And Vindman, his problem was he didn't like the way the president wanted to proceed in Ukraine.
00:36:43.420
Can you tell me how deep does this infection go? How many Vindmans are there? Are all departments
00:36:57.720
in our government like this, that a lot of them are just on autopilot and we'll just do what we want
00:37:04.240
anyway and we'll outlast you? I don't know how deep it goes, but I know that it's definitely all
00:37:11.860
over government. And one of the things that I saw, and certainly with some of the senior officials,
00:37:19.320
is they would come into the administration with their own agenda. And they forgot somewhere along the
00:37:25.380
way, but nobody voted for them. Their name never appeared anywhere on the ballot. And they came
00:37:31.500
with a plan and thought that they could just get Donald Trump to do what they wanted. I don't know
00:37:36.900
where they had been to think that they could get Donald Trump to do what they wanted, but it didn't
00:37:44.040
work. And when it didn't, they would get very angry and lash out. And again, it's one of the
00:37:50.340
reasons the president has such a loyal, enthusiastic base of support is because he has pushed back on
00:37:59.320
all of kind of the DC norms. And, you know, I think he fought back against those people. He was willing
00:38:07.260
to tell them no. And they didn't like not getting to control the agenda. One of the things I think
00:38:14.700
that happens to a lot of people in Washington, they get so drunk on power, and so consumed with
00:38:20.320
the idea that they should be the president, they almost convince themselves that they are. And it's
00:38:25.520
their decision to make their agenda to drive. And when Donald Trump didn't fall in line, they didn't
00:38:31.580
like it at all. The image that you get, if you just watch the press is that Donald Trump is isolated.
00:38:40.400
Um, he's got nobody in the white house. He can trust. Um, he, everybody in the white house is
00:38:48.400
trying secretly to, you know, keep him to look stable and, and try to have him, you know, not destroy
00:38:55.700
the country. Um, and then that is somewhat helped by the number of leaks early on. What's the reality
00:39:04.580
of the white house? Uh, there's certainly, uh, some bad actors that are in the white house,
00:39:12.760
but there are also a lot of people that I met that I got the privilege of serving alongside
00:39:18.080
that love our country, support our president and want to see both him and America be successful.
00:39:25.220
And, um, I'm thankful that they're there and that the president has a good group of people.
00:39:32.100
I, every white house has had leaks. Certainly. Um, this one has probably had more than others.
00:39:38.940
And, um, I think some of that too, and the president has talked about this before,
00:39:43.320
and I've heard him tell the story about how he'd only been to Washington a handful of times
00:39:47.980
before his actual inauguration. He really hadn't spent a lot of time in DC. Um, and he didn't know
00:39:54.140
a lot of the players and, um, you know, he had been met with a lot of, but he didn't really
00:39:59.920
know, uh, some of the movers and shakers in previous administrations in the way that he does now.
00:40:06.720
And he said, you know, I show up and one of the first nights I ever spend in Washington, DC
00:40:12.520
is at the white house. And so some of that was learning who those people were and building a
00:40:19.740
really good team around him. I think he's got some great people in his cabinet, uh, that have done just
00:40:24.680
a tremendous job, uh, Bill Barr, Mike Pompeo, uh, to name a few that have really been spectacular
00:40:32.320
in their role. Steven Mnuchin, uh, Larry Kudlow in the NEC office. And then he's got a circle there
00:40:39.140
in the white house that are really a great team and people that are very loyal, both to the president
00:40:45.760
So when the impeachment was going on, um, we started doing our homework and I wanted,
00:40:51.020
I told my staff, find out the truth. If the president is doing something, then we expose it.
00:40:57.360
If he's not, we expose that. What is the truth? And we did months of research and, um, it's very
00:41:05.620
clear what happened there. And, um, I know you had, uh, you were investigated, uh, for the report,
00:41:14.380
for the Mueller report. Um, you just mentioned, uh, Bob Barr. I put a lot of hope into Bob Barr,
00:41:23.220
but I mean, are we going to see real change and a restoration of some credibility? Will people go
00:41:33.380
to jail for the things that were happening? I certainly hope so. Um, I think that the level
00:41:41.840
of corruption that went on particularly, and I can speak more, more personally about the Russia
00:41:48.160
witch hunt, cause I was there during that process and during that time and the level of corruption
00:41:54.800
and the links to which people went to, to try to take the president down are unprecedented. And,
00:42:01.920
um, you know, I think Bill Barr has done a great job of coming in and really moving that forward.
00:42:08.420
Um, I'm not sure if he hadn't come in, if we wouldn't still be in the middle of the Mueller
00:42:13.740
investigation, he helped bring that to a conclusion. He helped get that information out and a summary
00:42:20.280
very quickly, fully exonerating and vindicating the president from that absurd two year waste of
00:42:27.000
taxpayer time and resources to bring us to where we are now. And, um, again, I remain hopeful
00:42:33.480
that we see, um, the people that were responsible and people who truly have played a role in the
00:42:40.000
corruption held, uh, held accountable at some point. I'm concerned, um, again, with the, um,
00:42:49.140
with where we are as a country and the media and everything else. Um,
00:42:54.720
and I have been watching for the tools of revolution for a long time, since 2006, I started really
00:43:05.360
researching revolution and, and, uh, coups and everything else. Um, and they have captured
00:43:13.580
everything now that is needed except the military. But if you notice, they are now trying to separate the
00:43:22.380
military from the president. They're trying to, uh, they, I mean, you were there in France. The latest
00:43:31.580
story is that, you know, he called fallen soldiers, losers, et cetera, et cetera. They were all anonymous
00:43:39.800
sources. You were there. Tell me what happened. Well, not only was I there and I've spoken out on the
00:43:48.060
record, but I think 11 other people who were also, uh, on that trip have come out on the record and
00:43:54.800
talked about not just that day, but their overall experience with the president. I think the people
00:44:00.860
who are making this outrageous charge are such cowards for doing so in an anonymous way. If you
00:44:08.820
really believe this and believe it was wrong, one, why did it take you so long? And two, um,
00:44:15.680
put your name on it the way the rest of us have. I was there that day. I was part of the discussion
00:44:20.820
about the president's movements and the logistics. Um, and he didn't say those things, but not only
00:44:26.240
was I there that day, Glenn, I spent two and a half years traveling all over the world with the
00:44:31.000
president, watching him interact with men and women of our armed forces almost every single day during
00:44:37.040
that two and a half year period. I watched him, uh, sit in the oval office and make condolence calls
00:44:42.860
to families. I watched the emotional toll that took on the president in those moments. I saw his
00:44:49.620
heart. I saw a person who doesn't normally show vulnerability, show some. I watched when we traveled
00:44:56.500
and we were going to do a fuel stop at two o'clock in the morning. And we were coming back from Asia
00:45:03.060
and we were going to be on the ground, I think about two hours. And the president said, Oh, well,
00:45:07.840
let's get off the plane and say hi to the troops. And they said, well, Mr. President will be two
00:45:12.560
o'clock in the morning because it's a military base. You mean to tell me nobody's working at two
00:45:16.620
o'clock in the morning? He said, if we get off, we see 10 people, we see 10 people. Um, but we'll
00:45:21.840
see who who's on duty. We'll say hello. We'll thank them. Um, but we're not landing at a military base
00:45:27.060
and not saying hi to the troops. When we landed at that military base, there were hundreds, if not
00:45:33.260
thousands of troops that had come out in the freezing cold in a hangar at two o'clock in the
00:45:39.120
morning to see the president. And we ended up staying for a long time. He went all the way up
00:45:45.840
and down the rope line, shaking hands, taking pictures, making remarks before we got back on
00:45:51.620
the plane and headed home. This is a person who loves America and loves the people who allow the rest
00:45:57.420
of us to live in America free and have prosperity. And I got to see that a lot. And I think it is
00:46:04.740
shameful that people are trying to distort who he is and what he has done, particularly when it comes
00:46:12.400
to the men and women of our military. The one thing that I think I had nailed in 2016 was, and it was
00:46:19.940
something that I could not put into place really until recently. Um, and I said, his children love
00:46:29.400
him. I mean, love him. And you would have to believe that his children, all of his children are also
00:46:38.020
monsters if he's a monster. Um, and that just didn't ever fit right with me because they're diverse and
00:46:46.300
every family has, you know, a wayward kid or whatever, but to have all of them be monsters
00:46:53.600
and covering for a monster would be insane to think. And then I watched this convention,
00:47:00.340
which I thought was remarkable. And I saw the private side of Donald Trump. And is it safe to
00:47:12.500
say that they're there in some ways, uh, not as you know, broken personality, but that there are two
00:47:19.840
Donald Trump's the one that is the mover, the shaker, the Titan, the president that is, and the
00:47:28.320
performer and the other one that really only his family sees the quiet Donald Trump that you never
00:47:37.320
see. Is that, do you think that's accurate or not? I don't know if there's a quiet Donald Trump.
00:47:45.880
So I don't know if I would use that term, but I do think that there is, um, a side of the president,
00:47:51.700
the generous and the compassionate and the kind Donald Trump that a lot of people don't see. Um,
00:47:58.500
one of the stories I write about in the book and one that frankly, I was even surprised by,
00:48:03.520
um, there was one day I came into, uh, the back dining room of the oval office, the president
00:48:11.320
sitting there. And he asked me, have you ever heard of this music group called point of grace?
00:48:15.820
I was like, actually, yes, I have. Um, I'm like, they performed at my wedding, but where did you
00:48:22.280
hear about them? And he's like, I saw them on TV. I thought they had the most beautiful voices,
00:48:27.620
just incredibly said such great spirit, such a great message. They're a Christian, uh, group of
00:48:33.860
women, uh, that went to the same small college in Arkansas that I went to very small world here
00:48:38.600
that he saw this. And out of nowhere, he randomly, he sent them a check like $5,000 just because he
00:48:46.000
wanted them to get their message to more people because he liked it because he saw it. Um, and it
00:48:51.680
was little moments like that, that I think people would be surprised by, um, and not expect from
00:49:01.980
Donald Trump. And there were, I think were a lot of moments like that, but I think you are exactly
00:49:06.160
right that his kids, they, they didn't just start working for him or start being around him when he
00:49:13.020
became president. They all worked in the Trump organization. They all have, uh, you know, really
00:49:19.400
celebrated and championed the work that he's done. And now they've been willing to take all the hits,
00:49:25.020
um, a huge sacrifice personally. Um, they are probably as brutally attacked as anybody ever
00:49:32.320
has been and they keep doing it and they keep fighting and they keep standing up and standing
00:49:37.820
with him. And I think that says a lot about him and a lot about each of them as well.
00:49:43.040
After the, um, after the RNC, uh, I actually wrote a letter, um, to the children, um, and
00:49:53.580
apologized, even though I never said anything about them. I, I, I was so moved by, um, how wrong I had
00:50:06.020
been that I realized I didn't even realize, I didn't even think I know what my children go through.
00:50:12.360
You know what your children go through when you're attacked. And it was just, it was a little
00:50:18.420
overwhelming, um, on, uh, on just the, the cruelty that can, uh, that, that everybody seems to be going
00:50:30.880
through and they are at the top of that heap. You know what I mean? Yeah. Um, so what's next for you?
00:50:39.640
When, when are you going to sit in your father's old chair?
00:50:45.080
Uh, well, we'll see right now. I want to help the president get reelected in 2020. Um, I'd like to
00:50:51.200
see us keep the Senate. I'd love to see Republicans take the house and never have to say Speaker Pelosi
00:50:56.720
again. So right now I'm focused on 2020. Um, the Arkansas governor's race is in 2022 and our
00:51:03.380
governor Asa Hutchinson is termed out and I'll make a decision at some point after we get through
00:51:08.100
this cycle, uh, whether or not I'll make a run for that. You, you, um, uh, tell an interesting
00:51:13.860
story about the Bill Clinton machine and your dad, uh, in the book. Can you, can you tell that story?
00:51:22.360
Yeah. So my dad, um, the very first time he ran for office was in 1992. I was 10 years old at the time
00:51:29.260
and he lost, uh, the U S Senate race that year. But because that same year, Bill Clinton was on
00:51:37.060
the ballot, not the best year to run as a Republican in the home state of the guy who wins
00:51:41.120
the presidency. But because Bill Clinton won, the Lieutenant governor became governor and they held
00:51:47.380
a special election for the Lieutenant governor. They came to my dad, the party apparatus and said,
00:51:52.280
look, we don't know if you have much of a shot, but we think if we do, you're the best one we've
00:51:56.440
got. So will you run? He said, well, with an endorsement like that, why not? So he launches
00:52:02.280
into the race and he surprises everybody and he wins the governor's race in 93, upsetting the
00:52:11.700
Democrat machine campaign, the Clinton campaign or Clinton White House had raised money for his
00:52:18.540
opponent directly from Washington. Uh, they held back nothing to try to defeat him and he still
00:52:24.200
managed to win. And they were so excited that he won that to welcome him to the Capitol. They zeroed
00:52:31.640
out the entire budget and nailed his door shut so that he couldn't physically occupy the office. Um,
00:52:39.240
it took about 59 days before even some of the Democrats said, guys, this is getting absurd. Like
00:52:46.400
let the man in the door. So finally they opened the office, but he had to raise private funds to,
00:52:52.180
to buy furniture, to get stationary for a government office that he had been elected to because the
00:52:58.800
Democrat Clinton machine in Arkansas, um, was not happy to see him arrive. And it's only gotten worse,
00:53:06.440
hasn't it? Unfortunately, do you, do you, do you miss it at all? I definitely miss the people. Um,
00:53:17.800
and I miss being in this, the center of the action and getting to work with the team that I really
00:53:23.760
loved and getting to work with the president who I came to get very close to. And so I miss that part
00:53:29.980
of it. There are certainly days where I look and I'm like, I'm glad that I'm not there today. Um,
00:53:35.160
and I also get to spend a lot of time with my kids and I'm very thankful for that time. I get to drop
00:53:41.180
them off and pick them up from school a lot more often than I ever did at the White House. Um,
00:53:46.320
and that's a really nice transition and a really nice time to get to share with my family.
00:53:51.780
Well, I have to, um, tell you, Sarah, uh, you know, there are people that have gone to battle
00:53:57.720
and lost a leg and lost arms and lost their lives, uh, in service. Uh, you went in and did battle and
00:54:08.080
while you didn't lose anything physically, and I don't think you lost anything spiritually either.
00:54:14.440
Um, I thank you for your service sincerely. It, it was grotesque, uh, what was done to you.
00:54:22.320
Absolutely grotesque. And, uh, you don't seem any worse for the wear.
00:54:28.280
Well, thank you. I really appreciate it. And, uh, appreciate you letting me be on and us getting
00:54:33.320
to have a good conversation today. It's nice to actually talk to a friendly face every once in a while.
00:54:38.440
I, I know, I know. Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the name of the book is Speaking for Myself and it is
00:54:47.600
available, uh, everywhere, um, wherever you buy your books. Thank you so much, Sarah. God bless.
00:54:55.360
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