Ep 86 | How the King of 'No Spin' Would've Handled the Hunter Biden Story | Bill O'Reilly | The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Bill O'Reilly joins Alex Blumberg to discuss his time at the New York Times as a reporter and how he got into the business of covering the Trump administration, and why he thinks it s a good idea to have a special guest on the show.
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you know i really hate when people say this guy needs no introduction and then they go on and on
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and on today's guest needs no introduction bill o'reilly
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mr bill o'reilly how are you sir where where where is he i want to get that guy
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i uh i want to start here i want to say that um shockingly you have this reputation of being
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uh of and difficult to work with and i have to tell you i've i never saw that and you and i mean
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this sincerely bill you were the nicest guy to me in all of television the entire time you didn't
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hide any agenda you were plain spoken you you listened to me to try to understand what i was
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trying to accomplish um you gave me great advice along the way and and i really respect you really
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respect you well thank you beck i appreciate that um the reason i have that reputation is a very
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interesting story yeah and it applies to what we're seeing now in america with the corporate media i
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never had any problems with guys like you or my peers or anything like that um because you do what
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you do and if i think that you're um an honest person and i do in your case why would i treat you
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poorly i mean there's no reason my problem was with people who were corrupting the communications
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process the suits who were trying to tell me what to say who were killing stories that i might have
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done that were honest for agendas all day long it's exactly what's happening in america i mean you saw
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what happened to the new york post breaking the hunter biden email story well nbc news they gave it less
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than a minute abc news didn't cover it on good morning america cbs news didn't cover it in three
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hours on the cbs morning show cnn didn't cover it in five hours in prime time and neither did nbc why
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because they were told not to so when somebody would tell me that i'd say no i'm going to do the honest
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thing and therefore i was difficult so how would you treat that how would you treat that story because
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i talked to the editor of the new york post today on air um they've done their due diligence as much
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as anyone can they say that they have um their their easiest defense is everything that's on there
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a lot of it is personal and it could only have been his but still somebody could have done an elaborate
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ruse how do you how would you handle this today when you don't know the chain of command on that
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that laptop exactly how i did handle it so i've been reporting on this all day and i said here are the
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holes in the story why would any human being bring in a laptop for uh an upgrade or a repair
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with a hard drive full of stuff that shows you smoking crack right who would do that yeah right
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who well i mean uh hunter biden did turn a car in wait wait wait okay okay but then you don't pick
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it up right you leave it there right okay who who would do that that's number one now i don't know the
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answer i just think that's kind of strange the other thing is the guy who got it in delaware
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mr isaac all right hung on to this thing for almost a year and then he says he called the fbi and they
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didn't do anything they came and looked at it uh he looked at it um you know he copied the hard drive
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which he shouldn't have done um and then he gave it to rudy giuliani's lawyer all of that could have
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happened maybe it did but i think you got to be a little skeptical about how the material did get
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to the trump campaign now the material itself i think is legitimate but some of the wording in the
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emails a little contrived you know a little contrived um so i say if i were the editor post
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i definitely would have reported the story no and i would have said here's how we got it
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and this is what it says which they definitely would have done which i wouldn't have put the
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pictures of the of the crack stuff in there i wouldn't have done that all right but i would
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have put the other stuff in and then i would have asked the biden campaign hey did you ever meet with
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the guy or is this a fabricated story give them a chance so that's how you cover so bill there are
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some and i know you don't speculate uh speculate but i do i try to pie i try to tie things together
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and see um and answer some of those questions saying out front a i'm not a journalist and b this
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is my speculation i don't know if this is true but it does make sense if i don't know if you know the
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um the guy who's providing senate testimony from the ukraine very very credible he was the go-to guy for
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the obama administration over in ukraine he testified um and last week uh he went in hiding
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because after his testimony all of a sudden the state department canceled his visa here in the
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united states and he took that as a hostile sign he's he called me last week in hiding and he's
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terrified of what's gonna happen because of some information that is looks like it's going to come
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out hopefully soon that he gave to the senate uh so the democrats have it and uh he believes that his
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life is in danger if you're dealing with this kind of jason born kind of world this is if somebody got
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that laptop in some way or another either stole it or found it as an operative that's the kind of
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thing that you would do if you were afraid of being nabbed for one reason or another you would turn it
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into somebody that you thought this person has a circle of friends that might say hey you should
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turn that into the trump administration and turn that into the fbi you could see that happening in a
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world of spooks absolutely right absolutely and you know i i tell my audience i believe that joe biden
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is a corrupt man all right that he used his position as vice president to enrich his family
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i i think there's no doubt about it i mean the evidence is overwhelming that's what he did
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right so u.s grant did that all right and u.s grant paid a horrible price for it as his brother ran around
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and i and i i'm sure you know this beck because you were an ace history student his brother ran around
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doing all kinds of uh shady deals so biden did it he did it and hunter got tens of millions of dollars
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from ukraine from russia from china because his father was vice president i'm no no doubt in my mind
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but in this country right now the hatred for donald trump overrides that in the minds of millions of
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viewers they're saying well you know we we rather have this senile corrupt guy than trump
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i mean really that's what it comes down that's insanity it's insanity but that's where we are
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no i know that we are i know i mean the new york times and the washington post know biden's corrupt
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yes they know his mental acuity is questionable they know it but they hate trump so much they don't
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care it's it's amazing to me because they even held hillary's ankles to the fire a little bit um they
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didn't they didn't love her a lot of people didn't like her in the media so they held her kind of
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accountable not really but kind of accountable um here nobody is nobody is
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the hatred for trump has risen tenfold since 2016 do you think this would be any different
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do you think this would be any different um if uh mike pence was the candidate i don't think it would
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uh i don't think they'd hate pence as personally and as viscerally as they hate trump right but
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they wouldn't they wouldn't be digging into the corruption of joe biden do you think
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well no look the left is the left they don't like america they want to redo the constitution
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they want to take some of our freedoms like the second amendment and the first amendment
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and change them and they want to destroy capitalism and replace it with a big centralized government in
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washington that controls the economy so if pence is standing be in the way of that they're going to try
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to get pence but i'm talking about the folks so i have liberal friends and i say to them do you not
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understand that when you vote for biden you're voting against your own self-interest because the
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far left that controls him is going to then if they win the senate put in legislation that's going to
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gut your wealth they're going to come in and they're going to try to take as much as humanly possible
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from you and your family do you not understand that and i what i get is nothing they don't reply to
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that because it's true but they hate trump so much i guess they're willing to give up their couch
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hi i'm glenn beck you may not recognize me if it wasn't for this luxurious hair um i my dad is bald
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and i freaked out starting at about six this is a true story i was an absolute toehead and my dad used
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to cut my hair with uh you know with the buzz and so i had very very short hair and my mother used to
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tell this story that we were walking in uh the zoo i can't remember the name of the zoo in seattle
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and this old lady my mom was sitting on a bench with my sisters my dad and i were just walking past we
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were going to another exhibit and they were tired and this old lady sitting next to my mom said
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that poor family it must be some sort of disease the child's bald just like the father uh and ever
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bill let me let me say this because i think there is a difference between the regular democrat and
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maybe there isn't anymore the voter democrat the the person who's voted democrat their whole life
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um and they just don't they don't believe in any of the you know the blm uh the real blm stuff but
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they might have even thought about going to march with black lives matter because you know they've
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always been there they believe in martin luther king etc all the things that the democratic party can
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no longer tolerate that voter still exists a is that correct or do you think that voter no longer
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exists i think the voter exists to a much lesser extent than it did 25 years ago and here's the reason
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this okay so what you have now and on both sides not just democrat liberal but conservative um republican
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you have a life that's being lived on this all right that's why facebook and twitter and all of these
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things become so important because the information flow into the voter is not
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unimpeded unimpeded yeah it's this is the way the totalitarian regimes are formed they're only
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getting selected information all right so the left wing uh democrat doesn't know about the wealth tax
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doesn't know about the cancel culture that could be institutionalized that means that if you say
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something that is offensive to your boss or co-workers you can get fired immediately on the spot wait you
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don't think that they know about the cancel culture they know about the cancel culture in a social sense
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but not in a workplace sense all right they still think they have freedom of speech and say i don't like
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black lives matter i don't think that a marxist organization should be supported by most americans
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you're fired what you can't do that i have a right to my opinion that is soon going to disappear by
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legislation right it's going to say something to the effect that if you are deemed a threat
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in the workplace that you can be dismissed on the spot with no compensation what's a threat well that's
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defined by the workplace you're hearing it you see it in colleges i don't feel safe i don't
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feel safe to have glenn beck come and give a speech i don't feel safe if bill o'reilly drives
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his car through the campus i'm not safe they're going to institutionalize this stuff all right and make
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it laws about this stuff that's what they want to do so that you know if you object to gay marriage
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uh-uh no way you're a human rights violator so all the catholics and the catholic church
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and the clergy that says marriage between a man and a woman they could be criminals if you carry
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this the way as far as they want to carry it so bill when you're looking at what's happening we
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you know with twitter uh this week and facebook shutting down the oldest continuous running
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newspaper in the united states of america the post was started by alexander hamilton it's not like a
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fly-by-night website this is the new york post so we have uh twitter and facebook uh and google
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moving people away saying this is discrediting you can't retweet it you can't go to the website from
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the uh from the the tweet or the facebook post when you have when you have that the same way the same
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week that miriam webster's dictionary changed the meaning of uh not consensual relationship but uh
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yeah a preference that your sexual preference is now a negative because of amy coney barrett
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saying i'm not against people's sexual preference the democrats start dogpiling within the same day
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the dictionary is changed on the internet yeah no miriam's miriam's miriam webster's dictionary
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on the internet right because i couldn't do it fast enough and correct correct correct so you just
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made my point for me so that the far left wants to outlaw speech they don't like that's what it comes
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down to all right they want to take your private property into the guise of taxation that's the wealth
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tax they want to outlaw free speech under the guise of you're threatening what you're saying is
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threatening all right they want to take the second amendment and say you don't have a right to have
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any firearm to protect yourself on any circumstance because if you look at the constitution says only
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the militia can have them that's that that's the argument they're going to try to make so if biden and
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and harris take over and the senate goes to the democrats they'll immediately put five or six new
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liberal justices on the court the stacking the court thing okay and those judges will do exactly what
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we're talking about and they'll also that's exactly what they'll do they'll also add new states which
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will ensure that no republican has is ever elected uh yeah like in california yeah like in california um
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so california is one party state there you go so i have heard people say you know joe biden is going to
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be president and joe biden's not going to be crazy he's not going to be doing all this stuff he's just
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using the left right now i believe joe biden is a trojan horse for the i believe the left is using him
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not the other way around your thoughts i don't think joe biden knows where he is he didn't know he was in
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ohio the other day um i i and i'm not saying this with any rancor at all i've known biden for a long
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time he's not a bad guy in person i don't think he knows what the deuce is going on back and i think
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he'll do what he's told so the obama campaign is running the biden campaign david axelrod and the boys
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are telling him what to do and say he's absolutely carrying out their orders they go mr vice president
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i think you're going to be in your basement today for eight hours he goes okay all right can i get
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lunch so that's what you're going to have as president meantime kamala hardcore leftist you
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know you saw her in the dbaco we don't need that cash bail thing no no no no and and she was at one
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time a pretty responsible prosecutor but now we don't need to cash bail hey senator harris have you
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seen what's happened in new york city in your own town in san francisco lately have you taken a walk
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through the streets with no cash bail hmm have you madam what's wrong with you that should be the
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opening question to kamala harris by every journalist what's wrong with you you know one thing i we're not
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going to have time to talk about with bill o'reilly but i really want to talk about it because doing my
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research on on him uh i learned something i didn't know he has two i think two master's degrees
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um i mean the guy is i mean one of them is from harvard uh the jf kennedy school of government
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this guy is wicked wicked smart um but you know what what's crazy i'm a co-worker of his and i've got
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one quarter of college who's the smart guy now anyway um ashford university if you need a degree
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not available in all states let me ask you about you've you've lived in the new york area you were born
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and raised in the new york area um bill i have a love-hate relationship with new york um they hate me
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but they hate you yeah they hate me and i love new york i i it's been a dream of mine to always live
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in new york i lived there for four years i absolutely adored it but i couldn't raise my family in that and
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the hatred was just too much i couldn't walk down the street with my children um but now things have
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dramatically changed i just saw a video of um somebody driving down from st patrick's down to the library on
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fifth avenue and every single store was boarded up what is the future of new york city
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well the blasio's got a year left he can do a lot of damage in a year venezuela caracas parallels new
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york and people think i'm crazy when i say that but i'm not the social disorder that you see in
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venezuela is now in new york same social disorder because the communist de blasio and he is a
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communist he's not going to deny that uh coupled with the far left hype dreams of andrew cuomo the
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governor have basically made the city unlivable new york city is going to lose a million people
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in the next 12 months one million is going to go from 8.5 million to 7.5 and almost all of the
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people that are leaving are big time taxpayers right affluent people property owners okay because
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you cannot live there not only with a family but if you're an elderly person no look you know rick
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moranis the actor right ghostbusters and honey i shrunk the kids well he's lived on the upper west
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side in a very affluent neighborhood for decades okay so he's walking down the street three weeks ago
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guy comes up punches him in the face and moranis hits it's the ground and the guy keeps walking
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so moranis goes to the hospital he's got stuff wrong with him files a criminal complaint i called
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the precinct and then you know my grandfather was a cop cops like me and i said what what the deuce is
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going on he goes the the sergeant the desk sergeant goes we have 10 of those a day here on the upper
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west side of manhattan we have 10 a day people just walking down and get bang and i said what
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happens when you catch this guy because they have him on video he goes no cash bail out he's probably
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got a long rap sheet will he get time for hitting rick moranis no will he get fined no he didn't have
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any money nothing will happen to him that's anarchy so anarchy has gripped new york city so that's and
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with biden and harris with biden and harris basically wanting to defund the police all over
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the country what do you think is going to happen in your town well let me ask you this bill so this is
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this is the other thing that i keep thinking that there will be democrats that are decent democrats that
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are are paying attention and going wait a minute wait a minute they're not condemning this kind of
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stuff they're they're releasing people from prison they are saying no cash bail and the people who
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just told us that only the police should have guns in our schools now say the police we can't trust the
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police and you won't can't have a gun either to protect yourself at some point doesn't the light
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go on to most americans going wait there is no way for me to be safe there's no way for my family to be
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safe and there's no way to do business in a place like new york that is escape from new york
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yeah it's like the snake plissken movie but your answer is no because people live here they don't live
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in america anymore they live here so if you were to go out today and say hey what do you think about
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moranis getting punched out they're going to go what most people don't know and they don't personalize
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things and they're not thinking about what will happen okay biden harris is elected all right that team
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comes in what will happen they don't think about that what they're thinking about is do i love trump
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or do i hate trump all about trump and at this point more people hate trump than love trump
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i i don't i think it's close so he didn't he didn't do that's what it's about he didn't do himself
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any favors in the last debate um and i think it's just because he got mad nobody was holding these
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people accountable and he just and i would too honestly i mean i would hope i wouldn't do it but
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i would you you reach the end of your rope at some point and go is anyone going to talk about the
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truth i spoke at the president uh about five days before the debate he called me up and when a
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president calls me i i take the call yeah yeah right yeah barack obama called me bush the younger
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called me uh you know and then i answer the question i'm not going to tell you what the
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conversation was because it was an off-the-record conversation but i will tell you that i said look
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you got a big chance here um on the first debate because joe biden is befuddled word of the day
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befuddled all right they're going to rehearse him but you yourself have to ask him questions
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that he's not prepared for if you do that he'll melt okay trump didn't do that i know i don't know
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why i don't know why yes you're right the chris wallace's questions which ran five to six minutes
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each after he wallace was finished the question i went what was the question again i know yeah no he's
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worse he has longer questions than i do it was i don't know what the question was but i told him
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to anticipate that i said mr wallace is a very smart man and he wants you to know it and everybody else
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so he's going to ask you a question it runs a long period of time do your best to answer the question
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in 30 seconds then pivot look at joe biden and say hey joe this is what i want to know
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you're gonna uh do anything about all of these demonstrations you're gonna do anything about them
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about the looting and the burning and the killing you're gonna do anything about it joe because you
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know chris wallace not gonna ask him that so you have to ask what do you think whose fault is it that
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we didn't have a second debate covid biden trump pardon me both both of them both of them because
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yeah because donald trump didn't articulate and this is not unusual for him why he didn't want a
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virtual debate i wouldn't have done a virtual debate right and then biden doesn't want any debates
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he doesn't want any are we going to have a third one are we going to have a it should have been a
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third a second one but are we going to have another one biden doesn't want it right they don't want
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why would he okay they may be forced into it in tennessee a week from today okay they may be forced
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to show he doesn't want it they feel that there are sure leading and only bad things could happen
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in a second debate sure trump desperately needs it yes he needs it but he's got to control himself
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because of the women vote i mean guys like you and i we don't care if he interrupts right so what
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interrupted am i offended by that i interrupt all day long how can i be offended by somebody else
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interrupting right with the women and i'm generalizing now and i know i'm a misogynist
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they go i that's pretty rude you know i and i know i don't want to be well i thought that it was
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i thought he's interrupting i thought his interrupting was well it got to a point to where
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you couldn't hear either of them so it became i threw up my hands i'm like this is right this is
00:29:51.220
worthless i don't know what either one of them are saying that's true and and donald trump lives
00:29:58.080
in a world where donald trump's going to do what he wants so and if you read the united states of
00:30:03.820
trump i lay it out his whole life he's done what he wants one guy in his life that controlled him
00:30:09.280
and that was his father fred no one else he he does what he wants and and you you hit it right on
00:30:16.880
ahead he got angry bill there's there is i if i were him and i didn't believe in the deep state i
00:30:24.500
thought that was star chamber kind of stuff you know in 2016 i mean i thought there were bad people
00:30:30.060
and and people that you know had worked in the state department i thought the state department was
00:30:34.860
kind of a deep state they're going to do whatever they want to do but i didn't think it was as deep as
00:30:39.460
it is um if you didn't believe it in 2016 fine if you don't believe it now you haven't been paying
00:30:44.960
attention at all i don't think he knows who to trust i wouldn't trust anyone in in in any department
00:30:54.920
in that white house can one man actually put a pitchfork in the monster of deep state
00:31:04.520
no because you have too many employees that are there for life i mean the problem with the fbi is
00:31:12.900
that it's politicized and we obviously see that they participated in trying to bring down trump
00:31:19.480
campaign and then after he was elected to trump presidency you have told me for we tried to do
00:31:24.900
that you told me for a long time you trust bill barr everybody i know says trust bill barr but bill
00:31:30.720
barr's not moving is he is he a part of the problem or is he just building a solid case and he doesn't
00:31:37.600
care about politics or or what's happening with bill barr i said today on my program that bill barr
00:31:44.900
should have a press conference tomorrow and give us an update on where he is is that unreasonable no
00:31:51.000
you don't have to choose anybody you don't have to bring in evidence just tell the nation where we are
00:31:56.660
what's taking so long when we can expect some kind of clarification of what the fbi the cia the nsa what
00:32:06.220
they all did to try to derail the trump presidency when were we going to get that when trump's in
00:32:13.080
mar-a-largo three years from now because bill barr is not going to be in that job as soon as trump
00:32:19.560
loses bill bars in the help wanted's he's out of there okay so right now he owes it mr bar owes it
00:32:29.420
to the american people to bring us up to date on where this durham report is now why he hasn't done
00:32:35.380
that i don't know i don't know i think he's an honest man bar i do but i don't know why he hasn't
00:32:43.300
brought us up to date um quickly because i found the hearing so boring any thoughts on amy coney barrett
00:32:51.000
i couldn't even use a soundbite in three days right i had no soundbites yeah i mean i mean unless if
00:32:58.400
you're looking for something salacious nothing but if you were looking for what'd you say we
00:33:04.060
investigated we investigated her separately yeah which i which i now do on almost every big story
00:33:11.240
because you obviously can't you can't trust anything no you got to do it all so here here's
00:33:17.500
the profile on judge barrett honest woman across the board all right never been a time where she has
00:33:26.160
been accused of even any kind of dishonest intelligent woman no doubt all right you read the things that
00:33:36.060
she's filed in her adulthood brilliant some of them are brilliant okay responsible woman
00:33:41.620
ask notre dame law professor upheld all her duties compassionate woman yeah look at her two children
00:33:50.200
from haiti yeah right got seven kids and she's a law professor i'd say that's compassionate so we got
00:33:56.940
honest we got brilliant we've got compassionate so what else you want i mean what else so why is amy
00:34:05.100
klobuchar trying to make her look like uh somebody who is deficient why because amy klobuchar
00:34:13.860
worships at the altar of reproductive rights that's her whole world but there's no way they're going
00:34:23.040
to overturn roe versus wade this is not going to happen but they want to punish her she amy klobuchar
00:34:29.080
wants to punish judge barrett because judge barrett respects life and amy klobuchar doesn't so amy
00:34:37.040
klobuchar has to diminish judge barrett in her own mind to justify her position i'm not a psychiatrist
00:34:44.640
but it's pretty obvious so um do you believe that this election has a good chance of being decided in
00:34:53.820
the courts because of all of the mail-in voting and everything else i know there's going to be
00:35:03.260
problems but i think that the there's so much emotion that one man or the other is going to emerge with a
00:35:15.860
plurality but i don't know which one it's going to be and do you believe there's anything to the idea
00:35:22.420
that donald trump would say oh damn you all to hell i'm not leaving
00:35:27.500
so when the marines come in and carry him out yeah i mean that's i i think he i think if he i think if
00:35:41.440
he loses he's going to leave and start his own television network and say i'll just right i mean
00:35:48.520
why would you stay why would you go to prison and stay i mean that doesn't make any sense
00:35:52.600
that make any sense he's not gonna listen he's not irrational he's not an irrational man
00:35:58.700
if he loses he's gonna yell and scream for two months and then he's gonna leave and as you said
00:36:06.840
might start a media company he's certainly not going to get down to dallas and paint like bush the
00:36:11.440
younger that's not gonna happen no no no he's an attention junkie yeah trump's an attention junkie
00:36:18.100
needs attention so um he might buy uh the la lakers and fire lebron right but he's gonna do some
00:36:25.900
something big and then the new york authorities are gonna try to make his life a living hell
00:36:30.800
that will absolutely happen so he may pardon himself before he leaves i wouldn't be surprised
00:36:36.380
um so he doesn't have to go through all that that is that is to me that's amazing we become a banana
00:36:43.180
republic i mean mike lee said to me one time i said why are we not prosecuted i think we should have
00:36:48.960
prosecuted nixon and he said glenn that's what banana republics do and he said once you do it to one side
00:36:55.980
the next side is gonna be so angry they'll do it to the next side he said you gotta walk away you gotta
00:37:02.280
walk away i i've never been comfortable with that but i think he is right about a banana republic you
00:37:08.520
do that to trump well you're never going to get power again as a conservative but if you ever did
00:37:13.120
get power again you'd go right after hillary that's why he that's why trump didn't put hillary in jail
00:37:19.000
part of it um there is no appetite um for the power brokers to humiliate people who uh run for office
00:37:30.160
right there isn't because they all say that could happen to me nobody's perfect but the state of new
00:37:36.320
york is so out of control they'll go after trump
00:37:38.720
is there a chance that cuomo would take the attorney general spot
00:37:43.880
maybe cuomo loves power loves power how if he's attorney general he could he could do a lot of damage
00:37:54.880
he could he could get a lot of people if he's attorney general if you take just the deaths
00:38:01.120
from new york state alone out of the mix your number of 200 000 goes bare minimum to 170 could go as low as
00:38:10.800
130 um how how does how is he how did he have the uh reputation that he you know and the documents to
00:38:21.600
prove what he did to the nursing home and all those people die and nobody seems to care is it the phone
00:38:30.160
again you're going to hold up the phone again no no there's a whole different thing so i do a uh show
00:38:37.040
on wabc radio yeah and i i address this very issue today tonight i'm on a 10 o'clock at night and i've
00:38:43.840
taped it so andrew cuomo knows he can say whatever he wants to say because there's nobody in the new
00:38:50.640
york press that's gonna make him look bad now the new york post doesn't like him all right but you
00:38:57.360
know but new york times all the network local newscasts they're never going up against him
00:39:05.600
ever in a million years so you say what he wants it's like biden biden in the debate goes oh um uh
00:39:11.920
all of the accusations against my son hunter have been discredited no they haven't what yeah right
00:39:18.240
everybody's going no that's right now right then and there chris wallace should have said time out
00:39:26.560
we're going to take a little uh a pause and i'm going to ask the president uh the vice president
00:39:32.080
that's not true how can you say that you know but that never happens that never happens why doesn't i
00:39:40.080
i would do it yeah but i'd never get in a position of moderating a debate ever even when i was at fox
00:39:46.400
news they wouldn't let me to moderate a debate they laughed when i said look let me moderate the debate
00:39:51.280
we'll get something out of it everybody was ho ho ho ho it was you know so that's just the way it is
00:39:58.000
that's the system bill let me ask you this because i remember well let me ask you two things
00:40:03.200
i remember the first words uh you ever said to me do you recall sure you don't i didn't even know who
00:40:11.920
you were back so oh that's not to me you said to me i was i was at your teeny little desk it looks so
00:40:20.080
big on tv but it's a teeny little desk you are how six five yeah right we had never met before and i was
00:40:29.680
leaning in on the desk and you came in and you said beck and then you sat down and you didn't say
00:40:37.760
anything you don't like to talk to people before you go on the air and i was leaning in and you just
00:40:42.080
said to me you're in my shot and i was like oh dear god i pissed him off before we even get on the air
00:40:48.720
and right before we went on the air i grabbed your hands i don't know if you remember this but
00:40:52.800
they said five four and i reached over and grabbed your hands and i said please don't kill me
00:40:59.600
i remember that yeah but your giant head was blocking the shot so what we did we see this
00:41:06.000
back of his head and i had to get you moved out of there yeah but the other thing i wanted to share
00:41:11.040
is um i was on your show and you and i have always had a great back and forth where we can just
00:41:17.920
blast each other and we know the other one is doesn't mean anything about it except for fun um
00:41:25.280
but you said to me i was on your show and it was like my 19th uh bestseller and you said
00:41:34.880
beck you're writing all these books and i said bill you want something that lasts
00:41:42.320
months and a nice source of income uh you should write books and you were teasing me on it now you
00:41:49.600
have 17 million books in print you have your your latest uh book which is killing crazy horse which is
00:42:00.480
crazy horse is one of my favorite people in in american history um you haven't sent me the book
00:42:05.520
because you make me pay for them uh but tell me about killing crazy horse we said you're three
00:42:11.840
copies beck three did you really sign and you can put them on ebay yeah your producers are stealing
00:42:17.600
oh my gosh they are because i never got a copy of it come on all right uh you gotta read killing
00:42:23.520
crazy horse i love 300 000 copies in the first four weeks it's um a very and when you read it i want
00:42:30.960
to come back and talk to you because it's a fair book i wanted to be fair well i like crazy
00:42:38.880
so do i he's brilliant yeah military commander right he was not the chief of the ogala suit
00:42:46.160
most people think he was a chief no he wasn't sitting bull right he's a chief right and sitting
00:42:50.880
bull never fought in a war never it's like dwight eisenhower and killing patten i know he was
00:42:56.000
the supreme commander never fought in a battle right so crazy horse was basically a guy who was
00:43:02.720
a military genius and the u.s army couldn't defeat him so they sent crazy george custer out a hero at
00:43:11.920
gettysburg to get him and crazy horse relished the fight all right he wanted to go up against custer
00:43:21.760
now the reason that crazy horse was fighting in the first place is because u.s grant
00:43:28.160
went back on the treaty yeah originally the sioux were given the black hills right in south dakota
00:43:36.000
but as soon as gold was discovered in an exposition that custer was involved in
00:43:41.760
u.s government said well i don't think we like that treaty right and the sioux said you know wait a
00:43:46.960
minute right so but crazy horse was so successful and we chronicle his military successes so in the
00:43:54.880
book did you start with his his childhood because i'm fascinated by his childhood you know he was um
00:44:01.440
he got the name crazy horse crazy horse was actually his father's name he bequeathed it to him after an
00:44:08.960
event um as a child he was out in the woods with two of his friends the people were starving in his in
00:44:16.560
his tribe uh you know the buffalo were becoming more and more scarce he they captured a deer and they
00:44:24.640
had it by the neck on a rope and they tied it to a tree as they sat down and at and ate some food and
00:44:31.520
they were going to bring the deer back but the deer was fighting so hard and it bothered him so much
00:44:37.840
that he got up without his friends knowing it and he cut the deer loose and that was his first framing of
00:44:46.560
no nothing should be captive uh which he thought reservations people were being held captive and
00:44:53.840
the other part is when they did go on a big hunt for buffalo his father got one and his and crazy horse
00:45:01.600
ran home and he told everyone everyone eats tonight my dad got a buffalo and when he did that he made
00:45:10.800
everybody basically a promise that his father honored his father and mother and their buffalo
00:45:16.160
was gone in one night that's the night he said you have a very important responsibility you care about
00:45:24.720
people you feed people you want people to be free gave him the name crazy horse and this the idea that
00:45:33.680
this this this little spiritual kid that was so kind turns into one of the greatest warriors is
00:45:41.280
fascinating to me because if you're if you're on custer's side you think he's bloodthirsty and he's not
00:45:50.080
well we didn't get into that micro analysis of crazy horse because we had to concentrate on
00:45:56.960
right on the war sure sure but we do give some bio about him and how he worked his way up to the
00:46:04.080
minister of war of the agala suit but here's something interesting we didn't research crazy
00:46:10.640
horse from the white man's point of view yes because number one there were no white men left
00:46:16.640
after custer's last stand we researched it from the oral history of the suit excellent so all the stories
00:46:25.120
about crazy horse were passed down by mouth until maybe 30 years later when they incorporated more
00:46:33.120
into society and began to write down some native americans began write down their history how accurate
00:46:39.440
the entire battle how accurate do you think that was i you're not going to get a more vivid no no no
00:46:49.040
i know that but like like the torah people memorize the words and so it's very the oral history is
00:46:54.960
very accurate how accurate do you think this was for guys that's all they did there were guys all
00:47:00.960
they did all right all right all they did was passed down the oral history the history okay right that's
00:47:07.280
it okay all right so you got to assume that they were pretty good that's all they did sure and anyway
00:47:13.120
we put you on that battlefield the south montana bighorn battlefield and you're standing there next to
00:47:20.160
custer from the indian point of view i don't think that's ever been done okay so it's harrowing but
00:47:27.680
here here's the kicker on it crazy horse ordered his warriors not to touch custer's body because he
00:47:38.000
respected custer as the leader and a brave man so every other body was defiled because that's what the
00:47:47.520
native americans did all right and not just the white men but anyone they fought long before white
00:47:53.440
men came scouts right yeah there were indian scouts working for custer right okay and there were two
00:47:59.040
journalists now i was hoping they were new york times journalists but they weren't they were
00:48:03.040
decoded journalists that's a joke no mouth hello riley he just hates people
00:48:08.400
uh if you read killing crazy horse you get a totally different view of the native american side
00:48:18.320
um and and that's the beauty of these books that's why they've sold more than 17 million copies yeah i
00:48:24.640
will tell you bill that i um i i love your books because you're you're a great storyteller and you've got
00:48:30.640
good uh research behind it your partner what's his name the research guy yeah he's he's he's really
00:48:38.720
buttoned up um and i if we don't start telling our history accurately and um telling it in in not a
00:48:47.920
utopian sort of way that oh the white man was always good um uh we we lose everything so i appreciate what
00:48:55.680
what you're doing can you just tell me the the end because i crazy horse went unarmed to go visit
00:49:03.280
it wasn't sitting bull was it uh one of the other chiefs sitting bull yeah sitting bull left for canada
00:49:11.040
okay and crazy horse still wanted to fight it out sitting bull knew they weren't going to beat the u.s
00:49:17.280
army too many of them and the railroad was then established they'd get cannon in there fast so sitting
00:49:24.480
both said i'm taking the women and children i'm going north into canada where it's safe crazy
00:49:31.120
or stayed to fight it out but then they ran out of food and ammo and crazy horse gave up and he walked
00:49:38.800
into the white man fort and somehow got killed like and was it wasn't he shot in the back he was
00:49:47.360
wasn't he shot in the back on his way in or out of a jail and you know why all that happened because
00:49:55.200
it was fake news back then beck and the news organizations the newspapers demonized the native
00:50:01.520
americans yeah to the extent that if you killed them you were justified even if they weren't doing
00:50:07.840
anything even if they were babies and women if you killed a native american that was okay that's what the
00:50:15.360
big east coast newspapers were doing right right there was a little faction in new england that
00:50:20.400
objected but the fake news never giving the native american side led to an enormous amount of violence
00:50:28.560
against indians yeah bill always great to talk to you thank you so much for your friendship and thank you
00:50:35.760
for much so much for uh um standing uh standing true when so many people are afraid to actually
00:50:44.560
speak the truth thank you for doing it i appreciate you having me on beck we'll talk again soon i hope
00:50:56.800
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