Ep 87 | 'I'm Voting for Trump Because He's Keeping the Barbarians at the Gate' | Dave Rubin | The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Summary
In this episode of the Ronnica podcast, Ronnico chats with Glenn Turley about his journey to becoming a journalist and how he's come to understand the other side of politics. Glenn talks about how he came to understand both sides of the political aisle, and what it means to be a liberal in the 21st century.
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i remember the first time i was on the rubin report i was a little worried about going on
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because i didn't trust dave entirely i don't know if he even trusted me entirely we didn't know each
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other and he was a guy that was on the young turks and he had written and said things about
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me that i thought were completely untrue he was the left of the left for a long time then he had
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an awakening and when i first sat down with him he was a diehard libertarian he voted for gary johnson
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in 2016 i think we sat down the first time maybe 2014 and we have so much in common i'm a libertarian
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he's a libertarian he didn't vote for trump i didn't vote for trump this time we're both voting
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for donald trump uh his evolution has been fascinating to watch he is honest he is willing
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to ask the tough questions of himself and then apply them in his own life that's the hard part
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you can go on a search for truth but if it's just theoretical if you're not willing to really apply
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it consistently throughout your life it doesn't mean anything fascinating conversation about where we are
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as a nation where we are politically are we on the edge of a civil war and in seeing that he has
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spent so much time with progressives radicals and regular democrats we begin there tell me do those
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regular democrats like the kind i grew up with in my family do they still exist oh i love these people
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hey dave okay glenn how are you i'm good i i want to spend some time with you
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um to try to understand the other side a little better because i'm confused by america right now
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uh and i used to think i knew who she was and i i can't predict her i have no idea what people are
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thinking first of all i truly believe there's a difference uh between the average democrat the one
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who's just you know living their life working hard and the democrats that are currently in power in
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washington and the left is that true yeah it's really true and i can tell you it's really true
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because those are the democrats that i come from you know we've talked about this a little bit before
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but i i grew up in new york i grew up from a liberal democratic family but when i say liberal and
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we've been through this many times before i mean jfk liberal i mean ed koch liberal daniel patrick
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moynihan liberal liberals that were not afraid to talk actually about liberty but perhaps they wanted
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more government involvement than say a libertarian or a traditional conservative was the answer the
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answer wasn't always government and the other part that that really screwed up the liberals was was
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was tossing away the individual i i never grew up in the in the liberalism that i knew of and and in
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the idea that we vote my parents voted for democrats there was never this idea that more than anything
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else you suddenly cared about people's gender and their skin color and all of these things and that
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is what the new left represents so so when you say do they still exist do the good or you you believe
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that they do exist well they absolutely exist they just don't know what to do with themselves right
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now and i think most of them are sort of begrudgingly or quietly or on the dl becoming conservative and and
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maybe that also is just that things change over time and and liberalism without the proper guardrails
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will always lead people back to conservatism because otherwise you're basically just going off the edge
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and they do exist and and i and that's the group of people that i've probably been talking to more
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than more than anybody else and they're worried man they don't know what to do they really don't
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don't you think though that conservatives in to some degree and i mean this overall conservatives
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have also changed conservatives you know the gop is something that conservatives didn't like
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too much um you know too controlling real conservatives constitutional conservatives
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they love the country but they love the the declaration of independence and constitution first
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um they believe in those rights and for so long uh conservatives were known as somebody who didn't
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believe in the individual right they were just religious zealots that wanted to shove it down
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everybody's throat and while there were those people that's not the kind of conservatives that i knew
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um and i think now with both parties maybe one being unveiled for what it really is well both of them
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being unveiled for what they really are today i don't i'm not sure that people are like becoming
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conservative they just find themselves in a place to where they say i can't believe i'm standing with
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these guys but they make sense more than these guys well it's yeah it's by default i suppose more
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than anything else it's that the rubber meets the road and you suddenly look around and you go oh well
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if if i believe that america is fundamentally decent if i think that the declaration of independence was a
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good idea and the constitution and the bill of rights are incredible i mean beyond incredible there's
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no word to describe the the level of significance of of power and freedom that they have given us
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generation after generation for 250 years that it's that suddenly seems tenuous because we're
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considering ripping them up because one party at this point at least the leadership of the party
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maybe not the average person that calls themselves a democrat that doesn't fully understand what's going
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on but the thing that's powering biden is the radical left he's just the host i mean if this
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was the alien movie he's he's sigourney weaver and there's something brewing in his belly that's going
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to burst forth and and everyone sort of knows it but but people are afraid to say it so yeah it's sort
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of i suppose by default and then the other interesting thing is that as i've been on this journey what i
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consistently found is that the scary guys the the people that they tell you are the the scary
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conservatives and the mean people and the racists and they hate women and they hate gays and all of
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these things you know people like that glenn beck guy and that shapiro guy and and all of you scary people
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what i have consistently found is not only are you guys friendlier you're more open you're you're more
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generous with with time and and emotions and and you're happy to agree to disagree and
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it's just that's just the truth it's been a bizarre truth for me to come to but when i hang out with
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now my conservative friends despite what i would say at this point are really minor insignificant
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disagreements we can have a great time and by the way it's always not about politics we're the lefties
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it's always about politics everything gets whittled back into the political worldview and man that is
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dangerous and depressing and that explains why why they're often so hysterical you're going to look at
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the world only through politics you you will be miserable but they also feed on misery in a way that
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people who believe in liberty who believe in freedom my worldview is not whether the congress is republican or
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democrat you know what i mean it's like there's something much bigger out there and and that can kind
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of keep you sane in these crazy political times but that's why so many people are kind of nuts right now
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do have do they just hate donald trump so much they're not looking at what's really happening to
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their party and how do they do they even think past how is this going to work out he doesn't look
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healthy that means kamala is or kamala is probably going to be the vice president and who's really running
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the show here yeah there's a couple things there i would say on the on the biden harris part
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specifically yeah i mean look the guy's 77 now and even though mainstream media won't show you the
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clips everyone is seeing the clips on youtube of the fumbling and the bumbling and the confusion
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and literally forgetting trump's name and calling him george and then the media runs cover for him as
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if he's calling out george lopez but he was saying four more years of and he forgot trump's name
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as if he meant four more years of george lopez so so everyone can see that kind of stuff i think
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the the crazy part of this is that they're willing to overlook it they really are they they think that
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in some bizarre sense that if you could just get biden in it's not because of biden the man
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it's somehow oh that's the old world and if we can just reinstall the old world the the world from
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four years ago the pre-covid world that that trump that covid all of these the the what feels like
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the political fight all of these things will magically go away i would argue they will exacerbate
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them in unimaginable ways because the old world can't come back it cannot come back that isn't to
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say there aren't good things from the old world that we should be taking to the new world of course
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there are right those documents from 250 years ago we should be bringing them to the new world
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but but the new world is there and i think they feel that well look there's also a certain version
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of them that is is the liberal elite the institutional elite and they hate people like trump you know they
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this man eats his steak well done with ketchup he he's got a spray tan he talks off the cuff he makes
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up people's names all of those little things that you can either say oh those are the fun things about
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him or the crass things or whatever you know he's sort of rodney dangerfield in a certain way
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and they really hate that and i think also what they hate more than anything else i just saw a
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piece written by it was something like 15 liberal liberal influencers who've been fighting against
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wokeness from from the left perspective but they wrote a piece together on why you shouldn't vote for
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donald trump and the the funny thing about the piece and this included people that you know of like
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steven pinker and and that that whole crew these are these are great intellects of course but i read the
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piece and at the end of it i thought well trump actually is getting stuff done and in a weird
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way that's what you guys fear more than anything else you guys and this is not a knock on on pinker
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or anyone else specifically in there but you guys live in the intellectual layer where you like to
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talk about things you like to be thought of as nice people you like to say the right things about
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immigration while also protecting your little fiefdoms and trump he's he's the brute guy that's that's
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holding the door as the barbarians are there and you guys are pointing at him going oh ha ha you know
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look how he speaks listen to him talk that guy but meanwhile he's the one holding the door and i think
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disconnecting the liberals from their their intellectual um it's not to make fun of their their intellectual
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mindset because that's actually good but disconnected from the the part of that that makes them feel
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better than the conservatives who just kind of say it how it is and have to pay a price for it i think
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in all states there was a piece on medium that i read a couple of days ago where someone the title was
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what are we going to do with all these trump supporters after biden wins what do you what do you
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what do you mean um and truth truth and reconciliation man yeah this person said we should just love them
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do they deserve it no would they do it for us no uh but we should just love them i mean when we left
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the germans alone they came up with nazism we need to do what we did to the nazis in the 40s and the
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japanese and maybe we can bring them along i found it so unbelievably insulting that because i have a
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different point of view than you i'm suddenly a nazi or an imperialist or a danger to everyone there's
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how first of all how serious is the left with things like the truth and reconciliation
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look when you see people like robert reich who you know was in the clinton administration when you see
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him literally talking about truth and reconciliation you you see other thought leaders in in the never
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trump not that there's much of a thought there but the never trump movement the david froms of the
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world these people who have gotten everything wrong always and now they're preparing to be in power
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again and what that will mean we'll be putting people on lists people like you and people like me
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people just because we we think differently than them we we believe in something different and just
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like they're trying to craft a world that they want to live in we're trying to craft a world we want to
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live in the difference is in the world that you and i want to create glenn our room has world our world
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has room for them and theirs doesn't have room for us so i am concerned that they're going to try to do
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all sorts of things i mean this would sort of get us into the big tech portion of this where there'll be
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further bannings and and can you work with credit card companies and can you get a phone and all of
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these things they love they love lists they love this stuff dave you're jewish um yeah i feel as i was
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listening to you for the first time i feel kind of like i bet a lot of jews felt in germany where you're
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like but that's so crazy they'd never do that and you look back now and go all of the signs were there
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they were telling you what they were going to do how did you miss it i am i crazy for thinking that
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you know it's one of those things where you start thinking it and you go oh could we really be there
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and that's part of why it's so hard to think about it in a clear way could we really be there
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and i actually think the answer is yes if these people were to get the institutional power
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they will do all of the things that they purport trump to believe in and to do that he never does
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you know our our friend ali stuckey who's on the blaze she just did this fantastic parody video
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of of what it's like to be a democrat and one of the things she said basically was that you know you can
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say all of the things you want about trump right trump can tweet something on any given moment he
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can tweet something and then literally thousands of blue check verified journalists and actors and
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you know celebrities can all tell him he's going to rot in hell and go to jail and they want to kill him
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and they can post pictures of his decapitated head all of these things guess what the government
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doesn't come for any of these people trump doesn't come for any of these people uh now you may not
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like some of these things and he probably doesn't love them all but but in other words freedom of
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expression is not under assault right now from him now try to imagine the other way imagine biden is
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president or harris is president and suddenly they tweet things out and then every time they tweet
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something out conservatives the scary conservatives start saying you're gonna end up in jail we're gonna
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kill you we're gonna take you out you're a criminal you're a nazi guess what they would love to use
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state power they would use the power of the irs let's not forget obviously that barack obama did that
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with the tea party they basically are projecting all of the things that they would love to do
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uh on trump those are the things that they would do if they had power so the the nazi germany thing
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it's scary man and and and just try to imagine try to imagine being being a jew or or being anyone that
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was a a free thinker back in 1930s germany and you see the temperature it keeps rising it keeps rising
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it keeps rising but to really be there in that moment and say now is now is either the time to
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get out or now now we've crossed some threshold and what do we do maybe we're there i mean what is
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the you know i've been saying to to my audience for a while now where's your line because lines
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change as you go along something they'll violate something that you would have said a year ago was
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insane yeah and of course i'm not for that but you just until you said this is the line i won't cross
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this line you just keep crossing them and what you accept becomes more and more insane so what is the
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line dave well look glenn uh back in march we were told two weeks to flatten the curve we're shutting
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down for two weeks to flatten the curve we are now at the the last couple days of october and here in
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california where i live our our governor gavin newsom who's the progressive governor who was the
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mayor of san francisco and ruined san francisco there is no one on earth at this point that will tell you
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something good is happening in san francisco it's it's an absolute nightmare uh drugs homelessness
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crazy high uh uh rents and all of that stuff um well he's already telling us that three weeks from
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now thanksgiving you can only have up to three families there you have to do it outdoors i mean telling
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me what i have to do in my home i assure you if gavin newsom's watching this i'm gonna host
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thanksgiving like we do every year that's the one holiday that we host and we're gonna have as many
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people here as we want and i'm gonna do it partly indoors and maybe outdoors i don't know but but that
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goes to the line question we were told flatten the curve in two weeks and now look at us the world
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from february seems almost unimaginable already we have allowed temples and churches to be closed
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restaurants and and where i'm where i live i'm sure it's similar to what's going on with you
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guys in dallas just things closed everywhere mom and pop stores closed people's dreams literally
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trampled on that's it your dream of owning your store owning your restaurant not only is it done
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for now but the the future dreams are being killed because it's hard enough to own uh an independent
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store in the first place but now when you know oh and at any given moment the government could come in
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and and stop it so i know you're not asking all this related specifically to lockdowns but the
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point is we give we just give the power away and and i would argue the line it's like well usually
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after something after we have a new rule for a week we pretty much forget that we didn't have that rule
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and i don't know i think the only way we get out of this as i said we're we're taping this now in the
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last couple days of october is trump has to win and he has to win big and then we have to fight back in
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an absolutely no uh i don't want to say no holds barred because they're there i don't want to do
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everything that they would do we have to get braver and bolder and and these democrats need to be voted
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out they've got to go they've got to go these people have no right to be controlling our lives
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the way that that goes to my first question to you though um what is going to if i mean i see the
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things they're talking about packing the court getting rid of the filibuster um adding states
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so they have more control of the senate and the house all things that every american five years ago
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would have said that's nuts that's insanity no we're not going to do that um people during the
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great depression with fdr rejected those ideas and said they were joe biden said that was unconstitutional
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we have these lockdowns going on we have all of these things and riots in the streets burning down
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the cities the same people who who are running these cities are democrats and they're blaming this
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on a republican president when it's been going like this forever how if they don't see it now
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how do you get people to see it i have tried so hard and i think i'm making some headway with people
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just literally in my local community here now when people come up to me on the street when i'm walking
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my dog and now obviously they know my politics and most of them obviously are not right-leaning it's la
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but i have been trying so hard to communicate this very simple idea that if you say to somebody in la or
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you say to someone in san francisco seattle portland you say is it going well here how's it going here
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do you feel safe how's the economy like do you think the opera are the roads clean you know what's
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going on with homelessness everyone will tell you it's a disaster you never meet someone in any of
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these cities that says it's going well i mean try to imagine what it would be like for somebody
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new york city which was my hometown for most of my adult life i can't imagine even well first off
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all of my family has now left new york city uh there were times in my family we could track my
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family back to about 1908 new york city there were times where we had about 60 60 people there we have
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one one cousin left a very distant cousin i mean that that tells you something right um but imagine
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trying to find a person who lives in new york city who's saying it's going well it doesn't exist
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that's de blasio a progressive we've got garcetti here in la a progressive as i said gavin newsom was the
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was the mayor in san francisco now the governor of california so one of the things that i've been
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trying to say to people is well all right i'm with you i'm with you we've got major problems here
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major problems in these in these cities you know who runs these cities and for some reason they have
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real they have a real cognitive disconnect between who they're voting for the policies that they're
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voting for and then what's happening i'll give you one other example of this you may have seen this a
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couple weeks ago bill maher the standard bearer of the left in america in hollywood had adam schiff
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on okay adam schiff who i just voted against yesterday by the way good to do it um uh adam
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schiff he has adam schiff on and bill maher says i don't i don't understand congressman uh the taxes
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are high here the businesses are closing nothing's working blah blah blah blah blah uh and all my friends
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are leaving what am i supposed to do and schiff has no answer for it well we're business friendly and
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blah blah blah like just you know he just gives standard nonsensical talking points and it's like
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i want to turn to bill maher and say do you think that that might have something to do with the people
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like adam schiff who's sitting across me that you keep voting in you guys keep voting in nancy pelosi
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you keep voting in maxine waters maxine waters who lives in a six million dollar mansion in hancock park
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which is this incredibly nice area of los angeles while she she's doing south central la that's her
00:26:38.820
that's her area that she's representing and and it's a disaster so trying to get people to connect
00:26:45.280
oh we're voting in policies constantly we're a one-party state everything's crumbling but this is
00:26:51.960
the this is the beauty of trump they've somehow figured out a way to take all of 40 years of
00:26:58.420
disaster right all of these states and cities that have nightmares for decades they can somehow apply
00:27:03.460
that to the president who's not even in charge of it and has only been around for three and a half years
00:27:07.300
it's i mean it's a cognitive jump that you you got to admire in a certain way there is a really
00:27:12.780
interesting book that has just come out it's called not free america um it is written by mike donovan now
00:27:19.120
mike donovan is a guy who has fought tyranny for years he's the founder of the nation's largest pro
00:27:24.220
bono civil rights law firm civil rights have taken on a whole new meaning now haven't they i mean
00:27:30.820
donovan civil rights all of our civil rights are in peril now donovan puts it in his new book he says
00:27:39.360
um our bill of rights has been under attack long before covet 19 or george floyd's murder
00:27:45.760
that's what he talks about in not free america if you refuse to surrender your liberty to any earthly
00:27:53.620
power you need this book because it not only tells you the problem we all know the problems
00:27:57.940
this is something that provides a solution as well it solves the issue of citizens being used
00:28:04.580
by the government so i want you to go to not free america.com you can take their liberty pledge you
00:28:11.160
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00:28:17.760
our government and what actions you can take to do better let's work together and fix our ever
00:28:24.820
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00:28:31.880
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i think they might have been able to do this because people associate him with chaos and it's easy to do
00:28:51.360
that he loves chaos i think he thrives in chaos which in some ways is kind of a good thing for a president
00:28:57.500
when the country is in chaos but they they associate him with the chaos so if we just remove him from the
00:29:05.740
chaos everything's going to be okay but i've come to a place because i didn't like the chaos that he called
00:29:12.800
that he caused at the beginning but i've come to the place realizing that's the only way to fight this
00:29:18.920
the only way to fight this is someone who just kicks down walls and says wow look at this what's
00:29:26.980
happening here and yes it's chaotic but it's the only thing they can't fight against
00:29:34.400
glenn it's it's either that or we're the frog in the slowly boiling pot correct if if anyone listening
00:29:40.720
to this believes what you frame there that these people fundamentally want to change all these things
00:29:46.240
pack the court change the electoral college by the way you don't have to believe glenn and you don't
00:29:49.980
have to believe me believe the people who are saying it you know what i mean believe believe the
00:29:53.940
people who are saying it so if you believe any of those things and then if you also believe what
00:29:57.740
mainstream media pushes which is 1619 project and america was founded on racism and we're fundamentally
00:30:03.320
evil and that capitalism is evil and all of these things well these are the things you're voting in
00:30:08.680
and if you believe those things to be bad well then what will happen is it won't be it won't be tomorrow
00:30:15.120
that they all come to fruition it will be over the course of a couple years and maybe two decades that
00:30:20.820
they come to fruition and that's what i mean by the the frog in the slowly boiling pot so i've come to
00:30:25.740
the same conclusion which i would say is a is a uncomfortable conclusion but it's the same conclusion that
00:30:32.000
you've come to and by the way that ben shapiro who did not vote for donald trump last time has come to
00:30:36.720
which is you need a fighter and trump for whatever his flaws are and i'm actually sick of talking about
00:30:43.040
his flaws because i don't i don't see that many anymore i don't i'm not saying every decision is
00:30:47.340
right and and the tweeting and all the stuff everyone talks about okay fine but you need someone
00:30:53.640
who will fight this thing and if you think you know these never trumpers it's like man you guys are
00:30:59.400
going to vote for biden who will represent nothing that you've purported to believe in forever just so
00:31:04.820
that you can still go to nice parties it really is that simple just so you can get on msnbc and cnn
00:31:11.440
and and that is just crazy so the alternative to trump if you're a conservative is oh i just you know
00:31:18.040
this is what the media does all the time couldn't it have just been mccain couldn't it have been romney
00:31:24.000
again and it's like well you guys called mccain and romney racists and misogynists and binders full of
00:31:29.240
women and the rest of it so the media loves republicans when they're neutered and flaccid
00:31:33.980
and and can't win that's the great republican right who does the media love now now the media
00:31:38.780
loves george w bush because he's a two-term president who's out who they used to call the devil but now
00:31:43.560
he's kind of against trump although he's been very tempered in that uh and and i think you have to
00:31:49.860
fight back and if trump has done one thing it is that he has modeled a way for basically anyone
00:31:57.220
that's not woke i'm not even going to say conservatives if you're not woke trump has
00:32:01.420
modeled a way for you to fight back and it's not that you're just fighting back against the democrats
00:32:05.900
and the progressives you're fighting the media you're fighting the system and for better or worse
00:32:10.680
glenn i that's that's where i am in the world you know i got a i got a i got a lot of uh heat when i said
00:32:17.720
that um donald trump is liked by so many because he's the only alpha male now out there there is no
00:32:27.600
every man has been neutered um and as much as i don't like the way he behaves you know on twitter
00:32:35.220
and women and everything else or his history um uh he's the only guy out there who's a guy and he's
00:32:42.820
like yeah i like hot models from russia what's wrong with that you know what i mean
00:32:47.000
um and and i think that's why a lot of people have been attracted to him because of the lack of fear
00:32:55.900
to be who he is because that's not acceptable for any of us now you can't be who you are
00:33:03.400
homosexuals david you know this you if you think that um the the transgender movement where you can't
00:33:12.580
have an eight-year-old decide to become a woman yeah i mean if you think that's wrong you don't
00:33:19.440
have a place anymore you can't be who you are as insane as it is well first off on the alpha male
00:33:26.960
part i mean there's something kind of funny i agree with your premise but there's something kind of
00:33:30.040
funny about a guy with that much hairspray and spray tan he's the alpha male right it's sort of
00:33:34.860
hilarious at some level but but i think in essence what you're saying is trump is himself and that is
00:33:40.980
true he's part circus performer in a certain way he's a part media construct in a certain way
00:33:45.780
but but trump i tweet this all the time show me a democrat who's more authentic than trump
00:33:51.940
is elizabeth warren i'ma get me a beer and pretend to be a native american is she more authentic is
00:33:57.620
kamala harris with her fake laugh more authentic joe biden doesn't even know who he is anymore is he more
00:34:02.440
authentic um the only one that i could say maybe equals in authenticity although has all the wrong
00:34:07.880
ideas is bernie is bernie right bernie is bernie he's been saying the same thing forever so if you
00:34:13.180
if you accept that that that he is who he is well then that's one thing but in but everything else
00:34:18.420
the reason people like trump is because you know what glenn you're not going to believe this the
00:34:23.640
average guy likes to bang a chick every now and again the average guy you know like everyone makes
00:34:30.020
an off color joke every now and again trump is again he's modeling a way that we'll be able to
00:34:36.340
get past this monster in many ways me me voting for trump which i very proudly did yesterday and and
00:34:43.060
trump trump tweeted about me voting for him i know wait wait wait wait wait wait before you say that
00:34:47.380
yeah 2016 were you for trump no i this is you'll love this story i think i've told you a part of this
00:34:55.940
before but i at the time we had just moved and i had to drive about 20 minutes in la to get to the
00:35:01.440
polling station for my other house because at the time i think i thought you needed to show an id
00:35:05.860
you don't have to show an id anymore i did not show an id yesterday i just i literally walked in there
00:35:10.720
i said my name and my address and they let me go that means i could walk to the same polling place
00:35:15.140
today and i know my neighbor's name and i know his address i could just walk in there and vote for him i
00:35:19.740
mean that i know that's a sidebar but just completely insane but anyway four years ago we're driving
00:35:24.440
about 20 minutes and i didn't know what i was going to do i i despised hillary and the machine
00:35:29.320
but could i possibly vote for for trump and and that whatever that thing was it was still new and
00:35:35.860
weird and and it was too much chaos and everything else and i didn't know what to do and i i got in
00:35:41.360
line we're in west hollywood that's where we used to live and and it's the gayest place on earth
00:35:46.520
it's you know they've got rainbow crosswalks right right we're in west hollywood i'm standing on line
00:35:51.480
at the at the ballot there at the at the polling station and i'm behind rupaul and i thought this
00:35:58.240
is this literally rupaul standing right in front of me rupaul as a man not as the drag queen but i'm
00:36:04.640
thinking this this is the world that we live in i'm standing behind the drag the number one drag queen
00:36:09.800
as i'm trying to figure out whom i vote for long story short i voted for for gary johnson because
00:36:14.240
in california i felt i had at least the luxury because it was obviously going to go blue
00:36:19.180
to do it i didn't feel i had the luxury this time it no more of these games no more of these
00:36:23.880
games i don't think you have the luxury because they're going to use the popular vote if he loses
00:36:29.160
the popular vote but wins the electoral college so that means every republican in all the states that
00:36:35.600
always feel like my vote doesn't count yes it does yes it does this time it does um i know you're a fan
00:36:43.980
of star wars i'm a fan of star wars which episode are we living right now well we're in revenge of
00:36:51.500
the sith right now we're in some version of revenge of revenge of the sith where if there's there's a
00:36:59.340
lot of ways you could do this but in essence if trump loses right now this war the culture war and
00:37:05.480
everything else that we're fighting right now imagine if trump loses now biden's in charge and now big
00:37:11.040
tech and the democratic party are running everything right if jack at twitter feels no fear
00:37:16.320
anymore if zuckerberg at facebook fear feels no fear anymore why couldn't they just start banning
00:37:22.840
everybody what you know every counter voice i mean what the only thing that has stopped them in any way
00:37:28.240
even though they're obviously doing all sorts of tricks and and de-boosting and the rest of it and
00:37:32.720
shadow bans the only thing that stopped them from being overtly democrat lefty and everything else is
00:37:38.760
that we've had a republican president for the last four years and if he's gone well what do you do you
00:37:44.540
execute order 66 you take out people like like beck and rubin and whoever else and then and then you
00:37:50.280
basically you know you shut down the droid army i mean you just shut down all of the counter voices so
00:37:55.820
all of these people for these last four years who use hashtag resistance as if they're the resistance
00:38:01.420
they've got hollywood on their side they've got the media elite on the side on their side they've got the
00:38:05.820
colleges and the institutions on their side and they think they're the resistance i i don't need
00:38:10.520
the analogy for it but in essence we are the resistance if you want to think about it that way
00:38:14.840
and and if big tech can just shut people down shut down the droid army shut down their social media
00:38:20.380
accounts and then you've got you've got one party rule i think we're closer to that than most people
00:38:26.460
think if there are um if there are riots in the streets if there's violence on the streets
00:38:33.860
we know the media and the left social media will blame the conservatives if we happen to disagree
00:38:42.160
with the outcome because we think fraud was going on and it's pretty obvious to us i'm not talking
00:38:48.860
about i'm not even talking about 2000 kind of fraud i'm talking about fraud fraud you know what i mean
00:38:55.000
real problems uh they're going to shut our voices down they've already said they would beginning on the
00:39:03.720
day of election well there's so many ways to think about this that some of them i don't even want to
00:39:09.160
voice because i don't want to even add add energy to it but one of the ones that i've been thinking
00:39:13.360
about is what happens if on election night the powers that be at abc cbs nbc cnn etc let's say
00:39:20.040
things are really coming in close but in the old days where it was like oh it's it's three points that
00:39:24.560
actually is a lot three points towards trump you call it you call it we've done our due diligence you
00:39:29.240
call it well what if they're i'm not saying they're sitting in a room in a dark room with evil
00:39:34.280
laughter necessarily but the idea being that most of these people obviously are democrats they're
00:39:39.860
media elite they they don't want to give up their power why wouldn't they be on the phone going you
00:39:45.460
know what we're actually just not going to call florida yeah it's three points on trump but we're not
00:39:50.040
going to really say that or something or we're just not going to call it and then abc doesn't call it
00:39:54.000
then nbc doesn't call it then cnn doesn't call it so i'm worried about that layer it's it's not just
00:39:59.560
voter fraud in terms of the number oh yeah it's actually the numbers translating into what the
00:40:05.240
media will then communicate with us i'm actually more worried about that so we man it is going to
00:40:10.900
be a crazy week but real quick on the violence part because you're right of course they're going
00:40:15.220
to blame trump supporters for the violence even though again in philadelphia these are blm people
00:40:19.900
and antifa people and in every city that's what it is these are not trump supporters
00:40:23.360
trump supporters are the ones on the on the bad end of the violence often um but they will blame
00:40:29.420
they will blame for violence and everything else i think the difference will be that if trump wins
00:40:35.000
and these cities keep going up in flames i think he will finally feel that he can exert power the way
00:40:41.540
he wants now those of us that are on the libertarian side of this that's something we always want to
00:40:45.560
watch out for right it's not i know you don't want fed federal i don't want federal troops i don't want
00:40:50.720
federal police i want them under the direction of the governor not the not the federal government
00:40:56.680
so then philosophically what do you do with that because i'm struggling with this one no i know
00:41:00.780
i've actually remain a union what do you do what do you do if the cities won't take care of themselves
00:41:05.280
i know i've i've talked about that with mike lee and ted cruz and i haven't had a good answer yet
00:41:10.200
because at some point if it's an insurrection and that's what this is a destroy the united states
00:41:18.240
of america um and if it's an insurrection the federal government has a responsibility to protect
00:41:26.700
people like you who is caught up in it and your neighborhood is on fire where's the calvary where's
00:41:34.200
the good guy um but i it it makes me very uncomfortable there's no great answer on it i've
00:41:41.800
talked to ted cruz about it a little bit too and of course this is not someone that wants to send the
00:41:46.380
feds into into los angeles or anywhere else but at some point i mean and again this is this is the
00:41:51.680
difference between the slow death of the of the frog in the boiling pot versus let everything out and
00:41:57.860
and let's have whatever that battle is i'm not calling for violence but knowing that they want
00:42:02.820
violence well then what do you do if it's a city like seattle where you absolutely know the mayor
00:42:09.200
will do nothing and good people are going to watch their livelihoods and potentially their lives
00:42:14.400
destroyed and then you know at the same time that the governor is going to do absolutely nothing if
00:42:19.440
anything they'll add fuel to the flame then if we are to remain a union if if the united states of
00:42:25.260
america actually means anything then then then you can't let a state or a city fail and yes i i
00:42:32.640
talked about it with judge janine i mean he could use the insurrection act it's a crazy thing to talk
00:42:37.380
about but there there are but it is an insurrection in the tool belt dave at what point this what i asked
00:42:43.500
the head of department of homeland security look i'm not a fan of department of homeland security i've
00:42:48.900
always i've been against that from the get-go i don't like it but at what point does the label
00:42:56.660
insurrection fit at what point no i know it's actually very similar to your earlier question
00:43:03.820
about the line of when do you get out if it just at the individual level it's like what is the moment
00:43:09.380
that this is a true insurrection and if it's fueled by the media and it's fueled by these shadowy groups
00:43:18.040
and you've got just like the thing is and i think this is partly why trump will win is that for the people
00:43:23.600
that you know that are sort of in the middle right now so they're not you know the maga hat wearers and
00:43:28.160
they're not just you know old they're just not progressives that are automatically going blue
00:43:32.580
the average person they do want law and order you know nobody's nobody's loving this right now except
00:43:39.480
the people that think this is the thing that could topple the united states the the progressives
00:43:43.840
and the media kind of love it right the media is getting clicks they're getting views and the
00:43:47.960
progressives who actually think oh we've got we've got the u.s on the ropes you know we just need
00:43:53.020
the knockout punch they're loving it everybody else which is which is probably 80 percent of
00:43:58.260
americans we would just like some decency back that's it we we want to be able to go back into
00:44:04.280
new york city and see stores open again and live like people seattle portland all of these areas
00:44:09.840
the only people want who want this are the radicals and the people that want to flip so then why again
00:44:14.860
trump is probably the only one who will do anything to stop it it's so then why when joe biden says in
00:44:21.900
his i just saw his latest tv commercial where he's like look the violence in the streets has got to
00:44:27.720
stop the chaos we just want to be decent people because that's who we are we help each other we're
00:44:33.940
we're peaceful people we'll work together we'll reach across the aisle why shouldn't you believe
00:44:40.240
that well you shouldn't believe it because if joe biden was right about anything then the base which
00:44:47.520
says america is evil wouldn't be voting for joe biden right i mean it it simply doesn't make
00:44:52.620
sense the guy's been in in public life for 47 years he was vice president for eight years senator for
00:44:58.680
many years before that he also had to had to resign from a presidential run because of plagiarism we
00:45:04.000
don't talk about that anymore on top of all the stuff with hunter biden and everything else
00:45:07.600
the idea that he putting aside the cognitive stuff and that he'd be 81 by the end and the energy of the
00:45:14.540
left the idea that who we are as a people i mean i think part of the issue is we don't know who we
00:45:20.180
are anymore at some level you know just yesterday as i was voting you also get to vote on those
00:45:24.180
propositions i voted against proposition 15 in california which is to literally put discrimination
00:45:31.920
back into our laws does that pass do you think that's going to pass i oh i think it probably will
00:45:37.680
pass meaning that the government when hiring people will take into account color of skin gender sexuality
00:45:45.480
this is the reverse of what martin luther king wanted which is why they'll take down his statues one day
00:45:50.860
too but but systemic racism they talk about systemic racism which doesn't exist meaning racism that's built
00:45:57.600
into our laws it doesn't exist but they are the ones that are literally putting it on the ballot in
00:46:02.860
california i voted against it yesterday and i i pray that uh that good people will vote against it
00:46:08.580
um i i don't know that they will in this crazy in this crazy uh state if the if the country just
00:46:16.240
if we are dragged through a you know florida 2000 thing um i think it's going to be much worse we won't
00:46:24.940
have the the temperament to deal with it quite so long um yeah and the world goes
00:46:32.440
crazy how do we ever come back together dave when people are voting for i mean look my viewpoint on
00:46:41.580
california california i've always wanted to live in california i grew up in the pacific northwest
00:46:45.740
my dream was to live in southern california but not now it's crazy it's absolutely crazy what they've
00:46:52.840
done to a great state and great cities it's just destroyed um and i don't i don't want any of their
00:47:00.540
high taxes and everything else so i don't care what california does i don't live there for a reason
00:47:06.300
um but with that being said when people are trying to force every state to be the same and they want
00:47:15.800
us to do those things and they really believe that a discrimination law is not racist i how do we come
00:47:25.960
back together how do we survive that right the same stuff that we were all erasing in 1964 with
00:47:32.560
the civil rights act is the stuff that they're trying to inject into the system right now so i
00:47:36.720
think i think that fundamentally the asymmetry is this for those of us that are right-leaning you're
00:47:42.780
conservative you're libertarian whatever it is uh people that disagree with us they they might think
00:47:48.080
we're or even within within our circles let's say we have disagreements about policy we have
00:47:52.660
disagreements about economics all all sorts of disagreements but we fundamentally want to keep
00:47:58.380
this experiment going we are now fighting with the side that doesn't want to so there is nothing that
00:48:05.240
they won't do to upend it that's the part that that i think a lot of people are having trouble
00:48:10.300
understanding when you again when you ask me about those those decent democrats at the beginning
00:48:14.780
they're really shell-shocked like this imagine if you're a baby boomer you're in your 60s an old school
00:48:20.560
democrat well you're you could see why you'd be looking around going i i don't recognize that thing
00:48:26.780
and not fully understand how profoundly out of control it is when when uh you know ilhan omar
00:48:33.940
when the new york times does a fluff piece on her and she talks about burning it all down
00:48:38.040
when pete budigieg was still in the the democratic primary and turned to bernie and said you want to
00:48:43.760
burn it all down these are the democrats these are what they're saying so one side is trying to keep
00:48:50.000
things together doesn't mean we're right about everything but that we're trying to keep this
00:48:54.240
experiment going right the other side is saying we will do literally everything from violence to
00:49:00.600
changing all of the rules and whatever else it might take to do it you got to pick a side and
00:49:05.700
that's why the the third party vote this time i had joe jorgensen on she said to me at the end you
00:49:10.300
know she's the libertarian candidate she said are you going to vote for me and i said no i said not this
00:49:14.280
time because the stakes the stakes actually are too high not like every four years when they say oh this
00:49:19.680
is the most important election of your lifetime this this one is it's funny because i talked to her
00:49:24.440
too and i said the same i said the same thing to her i i may have voted for her in other years
00:49:29.740
not this year um if you lose this election to the left you lose your foundation of liberty there is no battle
00:49:42.340
after that i mean you lose it especially with high tech the way they have cornered the freedom of
00:49:49.220
speech and they they have all of us pinned you want to erase people um this is hitler's dream
00:49:56.820
it's his dream it wouldn't be a jew you wouldn't be sitting here if he had this kind of technology
00:50:03.100
look that's what we're fighting against so when i say that in many ways a vote for trump
00:50:09.320
isn't from a lot of people a pure oh this is the guy i want to be president vote but it's a vote
00:50:16.320
against that it's a vote against big tech tyranny it's a vote against uh the the media companies
00:50:23.460
and all of the nonsense that that we're being pushed all the time that's what it is and and
00:50:31.100
so imagine we lose imagine trump loses right now i'll say we imagine we lose what does america look
00:50:38.140
like on january 21st of next year you have a president who in effect you have no idea what he believes but
00:50:45.040
it's fairly obvious he's not really in charge you have a base that will then do everything possible
00:50:51.240
to change everything so if you don't think america is pretty decent then then i guess you should vote
00:50:56.780
for that but if if you think that this has been okay and and think back to your ancestors as i always
00:51:02.280
tell people think back to your grandparents you got it better or you got it worse i know you got it
00:51:06.300
better if you're in america well then there's something worth worth clinging on to and is it strange
00:51:11.520
that donald trump is the one saving it is that odd is that a sci-fi movie does it make sense
00:51:16.680
it's all weird but here we are so you just said biden's not in charge
00:51:23.180
no no is is kamala in charge or who's in charge i mean that's the million dollar question it's like
00:51:31.340
what is the dnc at this point right like what is that machine is it the clinton machine is it
00:51:37.320
somehow has that shifted sort of to an obama machine is that even it at this point like who
00:51:43.020
really is in charge i don't know the answer to that i i don't know that that anyone in our space
00:51:47.880
really knows the answer um it's clearly well funded and has tons of connections in all the media
00:51:53.960
companies and can leak stories to the new york times and and cnn and everywhere else i don't know
00:51:58.880
what it is um but i'm fairly certain that if if joe biden becomes president you will pretty much
00:52:04.940
never hear from joe biden they'll issue statements every now and again he'll never do live press
00:52:10.020
conferences they will basically hide him away kamala will be out there every now and again
00:52:14.740
but the idea that that will be the decision maker that that man will be the decider no way absolutely no
00:52:21.840
way that's a little terrifying yeah i mean this is where we are it it's where we are this is what
00:52:34.040
anyone who cares about freedom anyone who cares about the united states i don't see it any other
00:52:38.980
way you know me i'm not an alarmist i don't sit on my show screaming about things all day and and try
00:52:44.240
to gin everybody up i actually usually try to do the reverse of it but i i've come to believe this is
00:52:50.060
now the situation we're in he's the he's the guy keeping the barbarians at the gate and i refuse to
00:52:55.800
cut that guy's achilles heel so that i can feel good about myself tell me about um your feelings about
00:53:02.380
kamala harris well look the base hated her right the base hated her after the first debate everyone
00:53:09.380
was like all right she's going to be the winner she's going to be the winner and then they had
00:53:12.280
some primaries and she dropped out early and nobody liked her she is only about three percent she's one
00:53:17.660
of the most unlikable people unbelievable i've ever seen and that's saying something because the last
00:53:22.520
time they put hillary clinton up i mean she's cut from that same cloth the fake laugh and the
00:53:28.640
and the condensation uh you know um just she's looking down on everyone i mean the condescending
00:53:35.780
attitude is just condescension condescension not condensation yeah no i know condescension
00:53:40.260
is it's crazy it's crazy how every if you're if you disagree she just talks down to you just talks
00:53:50.860
down to you um yeah so i think she's terrible i i think she's pretty terrible she's deeply inauthentic
00:53:57.700
um she i don't know really what she believes whether she's a little more moderate than the
00:54:04.540
than the bernie believer uh portion of this thing or not i don't know what she believes but i absolutely
00:54:11.280
would would fear that she would be in charge you know the most memorable moment of the
00:54:16.840
debates was when uh joe biden was asked about using an executive action on guns and biden said biden
00:54:26.540
said it would have to be constitutional and kamala looked at him and started with that crazy cackle
00:54:32.880
that laugh and she said joe joe can't we just say yes we can and it's like well biden's in the wrong
00:54:42.260
room talking about the constitution right because nobody in that room cares about the constitution
00:54:45.800
but biden actually told the truth you can't just use an executive action to override one of our god
00:54:52.240
given rights that's that's enshrined in the bill of rights you can't do that that that you can't do
00:54:56.720
it they'd like to do it you can't do it but her flippancy her flippancy of saying constitution what
00:55:02.480
are you talking about well she went yes we can she went she loves power she went further than that
00:55:07.080
because i i remember that i remember that moment because i agree with you that was one of the most
00:55:10.900
powerful moments in that whole debate um she went further than that she said i will give congress a
00:55:16.240
hundred days to solve it and if they haven't i will pass an executive order that is the definition
00:55:23.900
of a dictator glenn i i know you're a man of history why did we leave england again what was the thing
00:55:29.200
tea it was something about bad tea i think that's what it was yeah yeah i'll give them a hundred days
00:55:36.700
or what or what are you saying i mean really but that's but that's what they think that's what they
00:55:42.140
think either we want over us or that they have the power to do and it's our job omar has talked
00:55:47.980
about that ilan omar said look the people who voted for bernie were very clear now those people are voting
00:55:55.080
for george for joe biden and it's clear and he's got a mandate that's what the people want they're
00:56:01.100
coming in with this feeling that we want we're going to change the whole system because that's what the
00:56:08.920
people want yeah yeah listen you know i know you know a lot of my my old circle and the the
00:56:16.980
intellectual dark web crew and it was mostly lefties a lot of them you know you know jordan peterson
00:56:22.360
has had personal problems so he's been sort of mia uh ben is obviously ben shapiro is supporting trump
00:56:27.820
but the liberal wing of it whoever's left they've all sort of become irrelevant in a weird way i don't
00:56:32.800
mean that as a knock to anybody um but you know i think the biden trump thing the biden thing is so
00:56:38.340
bad that but they're so afraid of saying that they're trump supporters in essence that they they
00:56:44.600
just say nothing you know and if you're a public intellectual in 2020 you can't say what you know
00:56:49.920
what you're for what are you doing give me a couple give me a couple predictions first of all
00:56:54.520
what does the media do if trump wins what's the next four years look like if trump wins for the media
00:57:02.100
well i'll make i'll make the first prediction which is that i do think trump will win i really do i don't
00:57:07.220
think the polls mean anything i think this is that you fooled us last time and you didn't really fool
00:57:12.360
me because i kind of thought he was going to win i was on joe rogan that day and that's what i said
00:57:16.000
uh but the polls are nonsense they're even closer than they were last time with hillary and now you
00:57:20.820
have people rewriting history and saying oh no you could see hillary's numbers cratering three days
00:57:25.580
before it's like no that's not really true so i do think he will win because i think there's an
00:57:30.000
excited base biden has a depressed base his base in some ways hates him because he's always running
00:57:34.960
against his own base i'm not for the green deal what what i thought you were for it so the base
00:57:39.840
doesn't even like him on top of the fact that there are no rallies they're not they're barely
00:57:43.140
campaigning you know everything else trump is out there there's an excited base i don't think the
00:57:47.700
polls mean anything so i do think trump will win although my one little asterisk there will be what
00:57:53.040
i talked about before well will the media report on what actually happened hang on just a second
00:57:58.200
will there be will there be fraud all of these well i would it depends how you want to define
00:58:06.000
fraud at this point will there be fraud well there probably always has been always has some level of
00:58:10.260
i mean mass scale fraud look in in the complete chaos that we live in right now the idea that they
00:58:17.140
pushed mail-in ballots at such a high level like as if we needed another yeah we needed another x factor
00:58:23.600
in the equation and they felt that we have to do this that kind of tips it off that yeah they're
00:58:27.980
looking to do something with that again you know the more that we talk about these things it starts
00:58:33.220
adding legitimacy to the illegitimacy and i and i sometimes am worried about that uh because without
00:58:39.540
without the belief that this is a legitimate process then we really don't have anything else you
00:58:43.560
know we don't have any of the stuff that that you and i talk about all the time um but what will the
00:58:48.700
media do well you know they're going to be a lot of alcoholics on cnn you know these these these are
00:58:57.620
not journalists remember these are not journalists i mean show me someone on cnn who is not a democrat
00:59:02.980
is jake tapper a democrat yes is don lemon a democrat yes is wolf blitzer a democrat dana bash john king
00:59:09.680
the list goes on and on they are all democrats so the idea that they're going to be able to report
00:59:14.580
on this honestly i just don't see it let's abc who's the head of abc news george stephanopoulos
00:59:21.920
you're not going to believe what he used to do he was head of communications for bill clinton how bizarre
00:59:26.580
you know it's like the idea that we're going to trust these people at this point is crazy and and for
00:59:33.340
as long as me and you got wires and pipes that we can get information out to uh that i think that's
00:59:38.680
the hope i think that's the holy hope in a bizarre sense dave thank you it's good to be your friend
00:59:43.780
uh and you are a remarkably honest man and uh and brave thank you glenn this is a fine mess you got
00:59:52.460
me into you know i've been thinking about this all day and i've been thinking this is the guy
00:59:59.560
that was with the young turks and you i mean it's just you're not the same person i've seen the thing
01:00:08.000
man i i've seen that thing are you happier it is oh happier i'm a million times happier i think i i
01:00:15.960
think i look better genuinely i i take better care of myself i mean that that's a whole other thing
01:00:20.540
about about you know there is some element to to if you believe in the individual and taking care of
01:00:27.160
your own life and a lot of jordan peterson kind of stuff versus oh life just happens to me why are
01:00:32.680
the social justice warriors right you know they look a certain way they don't comb their hair they
01:00:37.100
you know all this stuff it's like go to the dentist every now and again you know you should go twice
01:00:42.540
a year i think you're supposed to go so yes i'm happier and i don't know if i don't know with you
01:00:47.360
know that's a little bit of chicken and the egg but i think it's first that i started taking my life
01:00:51.640
more seriously and thinking about these things seriously and once you do that and then start taking
01:00:57.240
care of yourself well then you realize oh i don't need that big machine that i wanted to be my
01:01:02.820
parents i i don't need that thing and you don't even it it's it's weird because when sometimes when
01:01:09.340
you're confronted with really tough questions if you thought the big principles through those
01:01:16.340
questions that come by every day it's like you don't even have to think you just know because
01:01:20.620
the the umbrella works you know what i mean the big questions are answered and so the umbrella works
01:01:29.360
where you're always trying if not because i was like this you you're always trying to go well but
01:01:34.000
that doesn't really fit well yeah it's fine and nothing works and when you're out of sync with so many
01:01:41.140
things it's hard glenn we could we could have done an hour on this because you know if if you look at
01:01:48.740
your life seriously and and think through the existential stuff at some level it doesn't mean
01:01:53.520
you have all the answers of course no human has all the answers but if you do that honestly well
01:01:58.520
then when when some when you wake up in the morning and you look at twitter and you see political chaos
01:02:02.920
it won't send your whole day off into a tizzy it's not to say that that stuff isn't important but you will
01:02:08.900
understand that there is something else that life is about that will keep you grounded but but if your
01:02:15.420
world is just politics how many democrats are in the house of representatives and what did they vote
01:02:22.020
on today well you'll always be looking as my friend peter teal says you'll always be looking horizontally
01:02:26.760
and you'll never be looking vertically and and if you do that you're missing part of what life is about
01:02:32.540
and i think that that my political evolution is not coincidentally attached to my personal evolution
01:02:41.060
those things come together thanks a lot dave and i enjoy being in the fight with you man yeah me too
01:02:45.920
me too it's good to have you in the ranks god bless you always thank you
01:02:49.560
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