The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 90 ｜ Why Corrupt Media Chose Joe Biden ｜ Sharyl Attkisson ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Today's guest is a media warhorse, a veteran reporter, when being a reporter actually meant

00:00:07.620 something. She's kind of turning into the Chuck Norris of journalism. She started at a PBS station

00:00:15.540 back in 1982. Then in the early 1990s, she went and landed a job as a news anchor for CNN. Then

00:00:25.580 she went to CBS, her home for about 21 years, where she was doing all kinds of things. She was

00:00:33.220 the investigative correspondent in the D.C. Bureau. She then was a CBS News regular substitute anchor

00:00:42.380 for the CBS Evening News, and she eventually went to 60 Minutes. A number of major events she has

00:00:49.640 covered in her work. It is remarkable. Epidemics, pandemics, war, global politics, natural disasters,

00:00:56.860 corruption, all three branches of government over the course of four presidents, no, five presidents,

00:01:03.380 and multiple Emmys and multiple Edward R. Murrow awards. She's on advisory boards, achievement

00:01:10.720 awards. She's literally written textbooks on journalism. People don't realize it, but for

00:01:18.680 years behind the success, she was the canary in the coal mine, and she details it in her latest book

00:01:25.500 called Slanted, how the news media taught us to love censorship and hate journalism. Today,

00:01:32.560 somebody who eventually should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom, I think, Cheryl Atkinson.

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00:02:55.600 Cheryl, I think I want to start with the frustration that I think most people feel.

00:03:03.040 They don't understand how a group of people can either be this blind or this corrupt and

00:03:14.220 why there's just you and maybe a handful of others that have come out from the belly of

00:03:21.880 the beast with real credibility that is saying, wait, this is insanity. How is this happening?

00:03:28.900 Who are these people in the media?

00:03:32.840 Well, I think it's a good question, but I think it's a transition that's happened over a period

00:03:37.340 of years, maybe accelerated starting in 2016. But I started writing about this in 2014 and

00:03:44.000 noticing it, I would say, back around 2005, 2006, this trend that was coming. And our industry,

00:03:51.580 Glenn, has been transformed into one that many journalists no longer see themselves as

00:03:56.320 recorders of fact and reporters of truth, but as those missionaries who are out there to put forth

00:04:02.880 certain narratives and convince people to think a certain way. And that's the transition that's

00:04:07.060 happened, thanks to political and corporate interests that you and I have talked about before,

00:04:12.040 figuring out how to co-opt almost every information source we have, including the news.

00:04:17.260 Sure. Can I ask you a question? And this is an honest one on on the role that maybe I have played

00:04:25.400 in this because I went into TV news. I didn't want to do TV news and I'm not a journalist. I'm an opinion

00:04:32.480 guy and I'm an entertainer. I know how to package things. And it was so successful when I was doing it.

00:04:40.580 And then I started seeing the media. There was a time when journalists were journalists and you

00:04:47.220 didn't know their opinion. And then right around the same time that I was doing stuff,

00:04:52.200 these journalists started just blowing out through their opinion. And some of them starting to do,

00:04:59.800 you know, some stick at times for a while. Did we accelerate that? Did I? I mean,

00:05:07.880 is this just in my head? Well, no, I think you've noticed that as alternative forms of information

00:05:16.320 arose, meaning Glenn Beck or whoever it may be, then the political and corporate interests that

00:05:22.640 were able to fairly well control the news narrative saw that they had to do something else. And that

00:05:28.940 something else included targeting and controversializing those who were not subjected to or not subject to

00:05:35.420 this co-opting or this takeover. And so they use their partners in the media where they had already

00:05:42.660 made inroads to attack those who are not on the narrative or who are off narrative. And that gave

00:05:49.480 rise to this whole other thing that I write about in Slanted, which is media reporting on itself and

00:05:55.760 each other, kind of talking to each other in a way that doesn't inform the general public. But we're now

00:06:00.680 largely reporting because one narrative media outlet is trying to attack somebody who's off the

00:06:06.140 narrative and we're just sort of fighting amongst each other in some cases. And that's replaced the

00:06:11.140 news. So I want to come back to this because I think people would like to hear an informed decision on

00:06:19.860 who can be trusted and where do you go to get just some semblance of truth. But I want to start with

00:06:29.620 Hunter Biden. This Hunter Biden story is absolutely incredible. If we go back in the time tunnel,

00:06:38.940 you had Facebook announcing that it would be suppressing the story because of its third party

00:06:44.620 fact checker saying that it was misinformation. Twitter shut down all the links. They said that it

00:06:51.600 was a story. The story was dangerous and might be hacked materials. Washington Post said it was Russian

00:06:59.040 disinformation. Wikipedia said that the New York Post is an unreliable source and it was just Russian

00:07:07.000 interference. CBS News said the laptop allegedly full of Hunter Biden's old emails is just trying

00:07:15.320 to sow confusion in the final weeks of the election. Fox News did the story, but they said that Rudy

00:07:21.740 Giuliani can't be trusted. MSNBC treated the laptop story as disinformation said it was false. New York

00:07:30.600 Times, same thing. They they doubted the authenticity of the story. They said the staff at the New York

00:07:37.560 Post did, but they never bothered to dispute any of the facts. Politico, Axios, CNN, National Public Radio,

00:07:46.120 all of them on and on and on. Now this week, they've discovered that maybe there's something going on.

00:07:56.380 Well, I think the tell with a lot of these stories and narratives like the Hunter Biden story

00:08:00.800 is when someone is trying to tell you, a member of the public, not to read it, not to believe it,

00:08:06.400 not to watch it, instead of putting it out there and letting you decide or quoting other people on

00:08:11.000 different giving different viewpoints. But another tell with Hunter Biden story is there was a very

00:08:16.540 similar story about the Biden family's alleged conflicts of interest that was unearthed about

00:08:22.020 a year ago this time by the left-leaning press, probably at the time when some of them were

00:08:26.920 infighting and didn't want Joe Biden to be the nominee. So therefore, it was Politico and other,

00:08:32.440 again, left-leaning press that did some very good investigations that were not called fake news and

00:08:38.380 that were not censored on social media. And then all of a sudden, when Biden became the nominee,

00:08:43.360 it's as if that was thrown down the memory hole. And when conservatives started bringing it up or

00:08:48.580 neutral parties started looking into this, then that was now characterized very similar to the

00:08:53.860 reporting that had been done and not considered controversial months before. And now this was all

00:08:58.060 called debunked conspiracy theory and it had to be censored on social media. And, you know, people like

00:09:04.080 us, we watch it, not just you and me, but a lot of people, and it doesn't make sense.

00:09:08.160 We know there's something amiss when we see trends like this.

00:09:12.900 So we are sitting again at a week where they are finding this to be true now. Is there an honest

00:09:22.240 one among the bunch? I mean, do they realize what they're doing? Is there any self-awareness at all

00:09:32.320 that? Oh, yeah, it looks like that's true. And, you know, we just hid that, you know, because we

00:09:38.400 wanted Biden. Is there any reality that enters their minds? Well, there are honest people, of course,

00:09:45.780 at all of these places. And when I worked at CBS, as I saw things kind of going down the tubes in the

00:09:50.540 industry, I fretted a lot about stories that weren't mine, but I knew were not being covered honestly or

00:09:57.700 appropriately. And it caused a lot of heartache. I tried to step in internally in an appropriate way

00:10:03.240 in some instances. But there's not a lot you can do. And if you think of them, meaning the ones who

00:10:08.680 are on the narrative and trying to convince the public of a certain thing and willing to do this

00:10:12.400 dishonest coverage, they're almost like a defendant in a criminal case. When you poke a hole or you've

00:10:19.240 proved something that they've done that's inappropriate or wrong, they go into defense mode. They don't go into

00:10:24.800 self-reflection mode. They don't say, oh, why did we get the facts wrong? What should we do

00:10:28.980 differently? They simply try to poke holes in what you're doing or defend themselves by deflecting in

00:10:34.540 a different direction. They're not. These people are not honest journalists that are concerned with

00:10:39.900 reporting the facts accurately. They're concerned with getting out the narrative and then trying to

00:10:44.160 protect themselves if they're accused of, you know, getting the facts wrong.

00:10:47.580 So you're made president of CBS News tomorrow. And you want to fix it.

00:10:56.220 Define journalism and what would have to be fixed? How do you fix this if you wanted to fix it?

00:11:04.060 Well, I would reestablish the semblance of a firewall that was pretty good for a lot of years in

00:11:10.800 journalism, at least, you know, there were flaws in it, but we tried to pretend or we were pretty good at

00:11:16.800 keeping facts separate from opinions. So the first thing I would do is say, let's make sure

00:11:21.080 that in our hard news stories, we don't put the reporter's opinions in there and that we attribute

00:11:27.740 things that are said by other people and that we reach out and be sure to establish both sides in a

00:11:33.260 story, represent them fairly, and not draw conclusions on our own. Usually they're drawing

00:11:39.160 conclusions over things they can't possibly know. And get in mind that your goal is not to leave people

00:11:44.920 with the idea of what they must think. But your goal is to represent the facts on the ground and

00:11:50.500 different viewpoints, not to censor, not to shape, but get your own head outside of that. Like this is

00:11:56.140 not about you trying to further a narrative. So you would have to establish, I think, a new set of

00:12:02.280 tenants that are kind of like tenants used to be, although unwritten in journalism, objectivity,

00:12:07.080 neutrality, completion when you're reporting on a story. And you'd have to just really try to sever

00:12:12.940 all of the things that have been happening, particularly in the last four years with

00:12:16.900 journalism and reestablish the ethics. And so I don't think there's any there's any there's any

00:12:22.240 hunger for that inside the industry. In fact, they're going the other way. YouTube issued a

00:12:28.100 statement yesterday. This is remarkable to me. The safe harbor deadline for the U.S. presidential election

00:12:35.240 and enough states have certified the election results to determine a president elect. Given that,

00:12:40.940 we will start removing any piece of content uploaded today or any time after that misleads

00:12:47.820 people by alleging that there was widespread fraud or errors that changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S.

00:12:54.680 presidential election in line with our approach towards historical U.S. presidential elections.

00:13:00.460 For example, we will remove videos claiming that a presidential candidate won the election

00:13:04.660 due to widespread software glitches or counting errors. We will begin enforcing this policy today.

00:13:10.780 And ramp up in the weeks to come. Cheryl, Cheryl, I mean, this is Chinese. This this is what China does. 0.98

00:13:25.400 Well, I would never have guessed, you know, and I was looking pretty far ahead some years ago at

00:13:30.860 these trends, and I would never have guessed that we would have seen such blatant censorship

00:13:34.740 and just open about it. Contrary to really everything I think most of the American public wants

00:13:40.820 and expects in terms of information being able to make up your own mind, not wanting conflicted third

00:13:45.720 parties to pretend to know the truth about things they can't possibly know, and therefore keeping us

00:13:50.740 from seeing things. It's, I wouldn't have believed it. It's 1984. I don't know if people read that book

00:13:56.840 anymore. But if you read 1984, it's just, you know, very similar to what we're, we're experiencing

00:14:02.780 today. I, the other day, I did a TV show, I'm a collector of, of old historic objects. And I have

00:14:11.460 a radio that was built in 1939 by the German government, you couldn't go out and buy just a radio anymore in

00:14:18.740 Germany. And it only picked up the radio stations that were approved by the Nazi party. So you

00:14:27.280 couldn't, you couldn't scan it, you could turn the dial, but it would never pick up anything other than the

00:14:31.960 government voice. And I looked at that radio the other day, and I thought, what is the difference? Except it's not

00:14:37.140 the government doing it. It's a giant corporation that's doing it. They're just deleting anything they don't want

00:14:44.880 you to hear. And remember, it's not just, I posit, big tech that got this idea to step in suddenly

00:14:53.700 starting around 2016. They had little interest in doing this sort of censorship prior to that, to that,

00:15:00.380 they were convinced by the same political and corporate interests that controlled the news,

00:15:04.780 in my view. They saw that in 2016, particularly with the rise of popularity of Donald Trump,

00:15:10.560 that people were still able to get unfettered access to information online. And they had

00:15:14.860 to stop that. So to do so in 2016, these propagandas started to create very cleverly

00:15:20.860 the impression that there was a market for curating and censoring our news, that there was so much fake

00:15:27.220 news out there, and that it's so dangerous that we couldn't really, we shouldn't see all this

00:15:31.520 information. We shouldn't access it ourselves. We might not make the right decisions if we see it.

00:15:36.060 So they spent most of the past four years creating this impression that there's a market for these

00:15:40.780 curators so that they could step in as they have now, kind of in an invited way, using social media

00:15:47.000 and big tech companies and make sure that they shape what we see, what we don't see, what we can access,

00:15:52.940 much as they successfully did on the news the first decade and a half of this century.

00:15:57.420 And they've moved this operation online.

00:15:59.580 Have you heard of the Digital New Deal?

00:16:05.760 Have you seen this? Let me just give you a quick highlights. It's coming from the German Marshall Fund,

00:16:11.260 which started out as an economic thing, and then it's just gone awry here.

00:16:16.900 They are proposing a Digital New Deal to create an internet that supports democracy,

00:16:23.160 and they will tackle the Trojan horse outlets masquerading as journalism, extremist and conspiracy

00:16:32.280 peddling groups and channels. That includes Fox, Daily Wire, Breitbart. They say that this poses a

00:16:44.140 threat to informed democratic discourse and oppositional to mainstream media, the so-called elite or

00:16:53.140 conventional wisdom. They want a PBS of the internet to fill the vacuum left by the decimation of journalism.

00:17:05.180 That sounds great.

00:17:08.120 Well, what's most interesting, I think, about these trends is every time we recognize something bad is happening,

00:17:14.720 the same people step in with a plan to supposedly make it better, and all they're doing is getting a stronger grip

00:17:20.200 on the information. And unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there, I've been interviewed by some of them

00:17:25.440 in the past few weeks, who say, well, you know, there is a lot of bad information online, and people really

00:17:31.780 shouldn't amplify that. And my answer is,

00:17:35.580 says who? You know, in this country, you're allowed to pick up the National Enquirer in the grocery store

00:17:40.320 without the manager stepping in front of you as you check out,

00:17:44.140 without him saying, I don't want you reading the National Enquirer.

00:17:47.120 You might believe some of it, and some of it's not true. That's none of his business.

00:17:50.620 In this country, you're free to make up your own mind. You're free to believe fake news,

00:17:54.220 by the way, if you want to. But more importantly, a lot of that labeled fake news is actually,

00:17:59.300 turns out to be true and factual, because you have the propagandists mislabeling things as

00:18:04.620 conspiracy theories and fake news and fake studies, when in fact, they're accurate, but they're off the

00:18:10.700 narrative of these powerful interests. That's what's so important about being able to access

00:18:15.000 information yourself, so you can make up your own mind.

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00:19:25.740 why I created The Blaze in 2012 for a time when we would be, we would have corporate interests. We would

00:19:36.060 have sponsors and everything else taken from us, and we would have to be able to stand on

00:19:43.100 our own and have a relationship one-on-one with the individual. But even as I am watching

00:19:49.720 this now, as you just said, it's happening bigger, faster, more boldly than even I thought.

00:19:58.800 And as I'm looking at just how much movement has happened from Election Day to, what, four weeks,

00:20:08.960 five weeks from Inauguration Day, good God, what is coming our way in 2021?

00:20:14.260 Well, I think the same thing when there's a generation that doesn't know that prior to around

00:20:22.140 me first noticing this censorship trend around 2005 or so, that the news didn't used to be about

00:20:29.200 shaping and censoring. I mean, maybe they shaped in subtle ways. I'm not saying we were perfect.

00:20:34.480 But the first time I actually heard someone argue a story should not air, that people shouldn't even

00:20:40.260 hear that this allegation was being made or that this study had been done was around that 2005 time

00:20:46.680 period. It was in relationship to a story the pharmaceutical industry didn't want out. And I

00:20:51.080 remember when I heard they wanted the story dropped entirely, not just their side to be heard, but the

00:20:56.580 story just not to be told. It was such a new thing. Now we've all grown numb and used to the notion that,

00:21:03.080 hey, that's what the news does. They tell us what you're not supposed to hear. They censor people they

00:21:07.560 don't like, that they think or that they accuse of peddling conspiracy theories. They won't have

00:21:12.700 them on. They won't quote them. This is a new reality that didn't exist 15 years ago. And yes,

00:21:18.840 you're right. In the past four years, it's moved faster. And since the election, once Twitter started

00:21:23.920 just taking down accounts overtly, not just messing with the algorithms, but doing it in a way everybody

00:21:28.980 saw right before the election, it's sort of like, you know, Katie, bar the door as everybody's going

00:21:35.000 at it. Similarly, not even trying to hide it. So who runs this? I mean, who's who is Big Brother

00:21:43.020 today? Well, I think Big Brother is a conglomerate. I don't think there's necessarily one guy at the

00:21:51.740 top of all of this pulling every string. But I described in my last book, The Smear, there's a

00:21:57.660 propaganda industry, a smear industry, a multi-billion dollar industry, very well connected,

00:22:03.860 effective global law firms, PR firms, crisis management firms, LLCs, nonprofits, with people

00:22:10.400 who know how this works. And they can get their nose under the tent of news organizations. They

00:22:16.020 understand how to influence social media, who to go to, to make sure that Adam Schiff, a congressman who

00:22:23.300 no one elected to do this, but to make sure that he calls or contacts Google, or some other company

00:22:29.560 to make sure that certain things are excluded from their searches, because he says, and probably I

00:22:35.740 assume because of a donor connection, that this scientific study shouldn't be seen, or this group

00:22:41.020 should be marginalized online. There are all kinds of ways they're able to step in and impact what we

00:22:46.560 see. And that whole effort, you know, in 2016, for big tech to suddenly start stepping in and doing

00:22:52.460 what I call the fake fact checks, as you may know, Glenn, David Brock of Media Matters took credit

00:22:58.420 for that among a group of donors that this notion had never been discussed before or done. But when

00:23:03.820 Facebook started it, Brock said his, you know, propaganda group had been able to convince Facebook

00:23:09.520 to do it. So they're being convinced in different ways. And perhaps sometimes through politicians with

00:23:15.620 the implicit threat of regulation, if they don't do these things, which is why I call it true

00:23:21.520 censorship. If the government is intervening, a lot of people say it's not censorship because

00:23:25.360 it's private companies. I think there's a new definition of censorship when there's a connection

00:23:29.900 or tie to government figures. And when they're being coerced to do something under implicit threat

00:23:36.160 of potential regulation or other things, or and they're contributing to the politicians, meaning big

00:23:41.640 tech companies, there's a symbiotic relationship that connects them in a way that leads to the things

00:23:47.900 that we're seeing today, I think. I think the biggest donation to the Biden campaign came from

00:23:53.380 the media and came from big tech by suppressing stories. Studies have already shown that people

00:24:01.740 who voted for Biden, after they found out about Hunter Biden, they said they would have changed their

00:24:07.220 vote. I think it's 10 or 18 percent, somewhere in that, enough to change the outcome. Isn't that an

00:24:15.580 in-kind contribution? It would seem. And you also look at in 2016, the biggest donor among the biggest

00:24:24.820 donors to Hillary Clinton was Google Alphabet, Eric Schmidt, so on. Same thing with Sanders and same thing with

00:24:33.280 Joe Biden. Yes, they're they're all in for the one political party.

00:24:37.760 So as we travel down this road, you said that the corporate interests and the political interests

00:24:49.040 behind the news media. Can you explain that a little bit?

00:24:54.640 Well, I'm talking about me observing the fact that first the pharmaceutical industry,

00:25:01.500 industry, but then I saw the auto industry, the defense industry, they have intermediaries that

00:25:09.920 they pay very well, whether they're the PR firms and crisis management firms and so on,

00:25:14.800 that understand how to contact somebody at news organizations to slant and shape and censor stories

00:25:22.220 that are not to their benefit. The same way they lobby members of Congress and give them donations

00:25:26.640 to make sure hearings are not held or hearings go a certain way when it comes to topics they care

00:25:32.360 about. And then I noticed that political interests started using the same tactics. Maybe they always

00:25:38.000 had. But once I started seeing the heavy handed, successful tactics of corporations, I saw that,

00:25:43.600 you know, various political interests were doing similar things. And so that's why when I say political

00:25:48.720 and corporate interests have understood how to use it, these intermediaries, the smear industry,

00:25:53.560 they'll work for anybody. And it's not always divided along strict party lines, some of these

00:25:58.340 issues, because maybe a corporation has an interest that leans left or leans right or crosses party lines.

00:26:04.880 So it's not always so easy to say this is a liberal bias or a conservative bias.

00:26:11.280 To make the case for

00:26:14.880 letting the chips fall where they may. Make the case to people who now think that freedom of speech

00:26:25.120 should have limits.

00:26:29.280 You know, you can easily look at I can look at the mainstream media and say, look at the bullcrap

00:26:35.360 they're peddling. And if I wasn't a constitutionalist, I would say they should be shut down. 0.96

00:26:40.320 I don't think so. Explain to the person who does think that freedom of speech has limits.

00:26:48.280 What are the effects of where we're headed? Why should they change their mind?

00:26:53.920 I would say read Orwell's 1984, but understand the term slippery slope. It's not always about what

00:27:01.380 you see today. Maybe people like what's being censored today, or they like the fact that it's

00:27:05.680 being censored. But once you open the door to say somebody should come in or can come in and play

00:27:12.100 that role in a country where this was never meant to be, at least according to our constitution,

00:27:17.880 then you're inviting that to happen in ways you don't like down the road. And I'll give one example.

00:27:23.480 When we have directed search results by Google to certain places, for example, during the world,

00:27:29.800 during the coronavirus start of this pandemic, they announced a partnership, at least they announced it

00:27:35.560 so we knew it, to direct our searches on coronavirus to the World Health Organization, make it harder to

00:27:40.960 find other material. When we now know the World Health Organization, by its own admission, was wrong

00:27:45.460 about a lot of important things, but we would have been sent there. So let's go back to the 1950s.

00:27:52.160 Let's go back to cigarette smoking. At the time when studies were first emerging in the 40s and 50s that

00:27:58.480 showed smoking could be linked to lung cancer. If that were today, we would never know,

00:28:03.280 I posit, because the mainstream establishment in medicine said it wasn't true, because the powerful

00:28:09.980 interest in the tobacco industry didn't want us to hear that information. So any studies that would

00:28:15.120 have said that would have been debunked and taken off of search results on Google. We wouldn't have

00:28:19.700 been able to read them. We would have been told either they don't exist or they're not true or it's junk 0.96

00:28:24.180 science. And in that environment, we would never know that cigarettes can cause lung cancer. So

00:28:30.220 extrapolate that to almost any issue, that if you can't find out the truth because someone has locked

00:28:35.640 in, the truth is they say they know it at a moment in time and it'll never be changed and it serves a

00:28:40.960 powerful interest. If that's what you want to be spoon fed on every topic in your life, I think you

00:28:46.640 can see how damaging that could be. How do you define truth?

00:28:50.800 Well, I don't use that word too much just because in journalism, you know, it's hard to arrive at

00:29:00.000 truth. It's a different definition than facts. But sometimes there is a truth, you know, there's

00:29:07.080 a truth of something that is either one way or not. But I guess more often than not, I would say there

00:29:13.000 are facts and fact patterns that are often contradictory or in dispute or various sides

00:29:20.580 on. And one side may look right today, but as time goes on, the other side may have points or

00:29:25.600 emerge to be the side that was correct. And that's why I think in journalism, it's so important to

00:29:30.600 approach a story with an open and flexible mind. What you think you learn, be sure that you represent

00:29:36.860 the other side of the other viewpoint. How many things turn out to be different? You know,

00:29:41.000 almost everything turns out to be different when you learn more about it, or it turns out to be

00:29:47.100 something that changes. If you as a journalist get so locked into the thought that you know the

00:29:52.080 ultimate truth, and you've got to convince people of it, and you become vested in it, you're going to

00:29:56.580 miss the accurate facts and perhaps the real truth because you've dug in. But couple that with the

00:30:02.800 notion that that's perfectly fine with a brand of journalists that are working in some organizations

00:30:07.360 today because they're narrative pushers. They're not out for truth or accuracy. They want to get across

00:30:13.180 a storyline on behalf of whatever interest is pulling strings. And that's, I think, by and large,

00:30:19.600 why we see what we do on the news today.

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00:32:32.680 I hate to say a conspiratorial thing, but I think by silencing people and by immediately discrediting

00:32:43.660 things and never putting any thought into it, it's just knee jerk, bad, good. It, it, it makes things

00:32:53.020 worse. It makes people go down a rabbit hole. When you start to see somebody acting weird and there's,

00:33:01.820 they have a pattern of it. You immediately begin to think wild things. You, you do it in your own life

00:33:08.960 with a friend and it might be coming from you, but if they start to act weird, then you're like,

00:33:14.720 no, it's not me. It's them. The press is making, go ahead. When your cognitive dissonance, as you call

00:33:22.320 it, is going off. And that happens every day with people when they watch the news or read stuff on

00:33:26.720 social media, you're right. And that's why I think there's a huge, um, lack of confidence in all of our

00:33:34.040 institutions where they talk about media, public health officials, Congress, you name it. And,

00:33:39.060 and we've caused it. And then we look at the people who are feeling that way and say, you're crazy. 0.99

00:33:44.140 You know, like the government, let's just use the simple example. They say, you know, don't wear

00:33:48.660 masks. Masks absolutely don't work. You'll never know how to wear them correctly. And then, you know,

00:33:53.340 within one day, everybody wear masks. You're crazy. If you don't masks work. And then they look at the 1.00

00:33:58.720 public and go, what's wrong with you that you're questioning us. Right. And we're just trying to figure out

00:34:03.480 which was the lie. Right. No, and it's not causing that. It's not a problem to say, you know what,

00:34:09.620 we have new information, but they just deny that any of that stuff happened. And so you are left with,

00:34:17.160 are you lying to me now? Are you lying to me then? What? There's no, there's no process that you're

00:34:26.720 allowed to go through. And then they just become more draconian. If you question, uh, it's, it's,

00:34:36.240 I've never seen anything like it, at least in America. Well, I blame, so I blame the media

00:34:42.400 because I work in the media for a lot of it because when public health officials do that

00:34:46.360 instead of us, and this is what we do now for whatever reason saying, you know, don't ever wear

00:34:52.380 a mask. Masks are bad, that you can't wear them correctly. We should be looking at that rationally

00:34:57.260 and providing counterpoints. If there are counterpoints and saying, this is what they say,

00:35:03.480 here's what we don't know. And then when the information changes, it's not such, such a radical

00:35:08.580 turn where you're then left going, well, what, what happened? And then again, like you said,

00:35:15.820 then they start calling names of the people that are using just rational, logical thinking skills.

00:35:21.040 When this happens, you're, you're saying, okay, a plus B equals C. And then they're going,

00:35:25.920 what's wrong with you? You're a conspiracy theorist. You're anti-science when they've

00:35:29.300 caused the problem. Correct. The same thing can be said about the way the media covers stories.

00:35:33.400 The same thing can be said about all kinds of things when it comes to our information.

00:35:38.240 And they're not, I mean, if you look at the mask coverage in America, in all of the cities where

00:35:46.960 there's real problems, it's 95, 96 is highest. 97% of people are wearing masks. The lowest I saw

00:35:56.260 in a major city was I think 91%. Well, no, wait a minute. If that's true, why do you keep telling us

00:36:05.300 that people aren't wearing masks? And that's why I think, you know, that's why the numbers are going

00:36:10.460 up because you told us that if 80%, just 80% would wear masks, they would do, it would have a bigger

00:36:19.660 impact than shutting everybody inside of their home. So, so which is it and who's the problem?

00:36:25.440 And why do you say that, uh, you know, conservatives, half the country don't get it. If 90% plus are

00:36:33.300 wearing masks. Well, I hearken back to something governor Cuomo said toward the end of their first

00:36:42.040 big, big, horrible, you know, bout with coronavirus in New York. And he said, almost all of the people

00:36:49.640 in the hospital now with coronavirus, and it was some huge percentage reported having been in isolation

00:36:56.580 or self-isolation prior to this. And he said, we got to figure out why that is meaning why are the people

00:37:02.680 that are doing exactly as we told them to do the sickest ones that we're finding in the hospital?

00:37:07.900 And then poof, you never heard anything else about it. And I'll tell you that I've interviewed, um,

00:37:12.940 virologists on camera and off camera and government experts who are working on this problem for the

00:37:18.440 government now and academic experts who don't believe in or have different recommendations than

00:37:24.460 what the government is saying or has said, but won't speak of it because off camera, and they've said

00:37:30.160 this not in the same room with each other, they're worried about either being portrayed as a coronavirus

00:37:34.700 doubter, a narrative that was put out there in a very concerted way, or they're, uh, for fear of

00:37:41.140 appearing to contradict Dr. Fauci. And I've said to them, well, what a sad place we're at where scientists

00:37:46.840 who are working on this problem have viewpoints that are, that differs to some degree, um, from some

00:37:53.660 recommendations that they're afraid to talk about. Now they're following their own recommendations in

00:37:58.080 their households and in their workplaces and not telling us about it because we're supposed to

00:38:02.340 only hear about the ones, you know, from certain people. And this is again, what happens when our

00:38:08.160 information is controlled and you don't have access to a broader range and you can make up your own

00:38:12.760 mind and we can figure out what's really going on. We had Chris Cuomo, the doctor he went to,

00:38:19.560 uh, is, uh, somebody that wanted to treat his astral body, um, because a lot of sickness comes from our 0.91

00:38:27.900 astral body. Uh, fine. If that's what you wanted to create, I, uh, you know, I haven't had my astral

00:38:35.160 body checked in quite a while. So who am I to say, but that person was fine as should be. If that's the

00:38:42.840 doctor you want, go follow that doctor. But the doctor in, uh, Oregon that said this mask stuff is not

00:38:52.180 good, lost his license. What happens to a country that, uh, if you have a differing opinion from the

00:39:03.260 authoritative source, you lose everything. What happens to that country?

00:39:10.060 Well, you become, I think, and I've thought a lot about this, like the countries we tried to not be

00:39:17.440 like when this country was started. We wanted things not to be that way where these things were

00:39:23.440 dictated by some power and where dissenting language and viewpoints and opinions and science

00:39:29.360 were not allowed. But do we end up in the same place as these other countries? And it just takes

00:39:34.900 200 something odd years to get there. I don't know. Um, I don't believe in star chambers. I don't

00:39:43.220 believe in, you know, I don't believe in puppet masters. I do believe in interests and power and money

00:39:52.760 influencing those interests, uh, especially over a long period of time. Uh, you know, I've been talking a

00:40:00.180 lot about the great reset and it's coronavirus is not a conspiracy. It's real. Then there are people

00:40:07.700 that take advantage of those things. And as I see the, the plan from the world economic forum on their

00:40:13.940 own website, which I guess they say is a conspiracy. You should talk to them about it. Um, of these group

00:40:22.620 of people that want to change capitalism, want to change the way we relate to each other, want to

00:40:29.940 change, uh, the, the media. I begin to understand that perhaps Donald Trump wasn't just hated because

00:40:39.960 he was outspoken. He was hated because he could stand in the way of this global movement towards

00:40:50.160 the best you could describe it. I think is, is, uh, Chinese capitalism where the very wealthy are

00:40:59.900 kind of in charge and the, those who are connected to have all the strings, um, and they, and they pull

00:41:07.940 them and we're kind of left out in the dark, like the regular Chinese person. Is that too far out? 1.00

00:41:16.300 No, I don't think so. I mean, I think if Donald Trump had positions that were more establishment,

00:41:24.960 party establishment, whether Democrat or Republican, that not only would the globalist people you're

00:41:30.920 speaking of not have objected to his brash ways, nobody else would have objected to them so much

00:41:37.300 either. The only reason in my view that they've raised this fear about Donald Trump isn't really, that's just

00:41:43.040 sort of a deflection. Isn't really because of the things he tweets and the things he says, it's

00:41:47.300 because they have to find a way to controversialize and destroy him because of the things he will do

00:41:53.300 because he's not part of the establishment, the money structure. He's not on board with these

00:41:58.280 well-established power structures that have been in play for decades in this country with the same

00:42:03.160 people granting access and making sure that certain laws do or don't get passed, that certain things

00:42:09.220 do or don't get addressed. He came in and threw all of that up in the air and everybody who was

00:42:14.380 part of that system didn't like it and felt the need to try to stop it. So if he can't do it, who

00:42:21.740 could? There's the question. I mean, I think he's the closest to being able to make inroads in this

00:42:27.800 establishment if you're someone who thinks that the establishment is too strong and entrenched.

00:42:32.900 And I think it's proven to be. And our intelligence community, for example, has too much

00:42:37.540 power and corruption that persists from administration to administration. He was going

00:42:43.820 to tackle that on the front end with Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, which is why Flynn was

00:42:48.240 targeted, that they couldn't let that happen. So if Donald Trump can't do it, I don't see anybody else

00:42:54.360 on the horizon that has the ability and the wherewithal and the tin ear to this criticism. I mean,

00:43:00.080 Donald Trump didn't bend a lot of what he thought he should do based on this criticism that was

00:43:05.960 coming. But most politicians do. They don't have the stomach or the heart or they're too beholden to 0.95

00:43:11.720 the interests that want them to act a certain way to to do anything different. Do you believe

00:43:17.880 there's, um, a good possibility, uh, that he didn't lose the election? I have, I have not been able to

00:43:30.720 find anything that rules out that he won the election and that it was somehow taken from him.

00:43:40.400 I have seen a lot of evidence that shows that might've happened. And certainly there've been a lot of

00:43:46.280 experts who've said it didn't happen. And I have not been able to be convinced, uh, one way or the

00:43:51.780 other. So yes, I think it's a possibility, particularly if you look at, let's look at what

00:43:56.700 we were told starting in 2016, that the Chinese and the Russians had tried to interfere, had

00:44:02.640 interfered in our election and would do so again. And that we already knew there were domestic bad

00:44:07.280 actors that had done bad things involving politics, including some in our own government

00:44:12.200 and intelligence community, including some who never got punished and including an FBI lawyer

00:44:16.900 who allegedly doctored a document to get a wiretap against a former Trump campaign associate,

00:44:22.300 et cetera. So going into 2020, we as rational thinking people would have every reason to believe

00:44:29.040 there'd be mischief. And we should have been the reporters who cover politics and elections

00:44:33.460 on the ground in these swing States looking for any anomaly or anything suspicious, whether it was

00:44:39.880 on the part of perhaps foreign actors or the Biden camp or Trump supporters. And instead, I find it

00:44:46.580 very odd that at the conclusion of this election, very quickly, we were just told there's nothing to

00:44:52.840 see, accept it. And I will also say I'm a bit skeptical because this was the oddest election perhaps

00:45:00.000 we've ever had, at least the oddest one in our lifetime. I say even more so than the Bush-Gore 1.00

00:45:05.320 Florida debate. Oh yeah, much, much more. And we were conditioned by a propaganda campaign that

00:45:11.360 makes me wonder to see this as normal. If we had not been conditioned by people that six,

00:45:18.020 seven months before the election started telling us, Trump will appear to be winning on election day,

00:45:24.900 but that will be a red mirage. They had a name for it. And they started putting all that out on talk

00:45:29.840 shows and analysts started putting this out. And then in the coming days, it will be clear,

00:45:34.900 you know, maybe it'll take weeks or months, but in the coming days, it'll be clear that Biden

00:45:37.960 actually wins. And I remember thinking at the time, because I'm just a rational thinking person,

00:45:43.860 how do they know that before the first vote has been cast? They already know how this is going to

00:45:48.040 be played out. I thought that was odd, but nobody else on the news was saying, well, that's weird that

00:45:52.280 you know that in advance. So when the oddest thing in the world happened, which was Trump appeared to be

00:45:58.260 winning by a landslide on election night. And then with all of these mail-in votes and with

00:46:03.040 Republican observers blocked and huge dumps, everything turns in the next day or two, next

00:46:08.740 couple of days, instead of us saying, well, that's really odd. We better be sure to look at this

00:46:13.660 rationally and skeptically and check everything out. We say, we knew that was going to happen.

00:46:19.320 We were told there was going to be a red mirage as if it's all normal. So I think that was brilliant

00:46:23.780 on the part of whoever put out those talking points and understood. It starts to look like

00:46:28.820 a plan to me, but understood that this was where we would be. Yeah, it was a plan. It came from the

00:46:33.780 Transition Integrity Project, which we're still following that plan. I mean, if you look at it

00:46:40.600 now, you can still see everything's right on schedule. Any doubt in your mind that if things

00:46:46.780 were reversed, the media would be screaming for their day in court and this isn't over?

00:46:54.960 Absolutely. I mean, I've said if in 2016, Hillary Clinton had appeared to be winning by a landslide

00:47:00.380 on election night, and then over the course of the next couple of days, Donald Trump pulled into the

00:47:05.520 lead on almost landslide status himself, including in places that seemed very improbable, the press would

00:47:12.280 never have let that go easily and shouldn't have. You know, that should be something that would be

00:47:16.200 looked at. It's an anomaly. And I even say that if this were being covered differently, and you know

00:47:21.620 the press has, I'll use the word conspired, because we've seen them talk about not giving much air or

00:47:28.600 oxygen to the Trump side of things post the election. If the press were covering it differently and

00:47:34.920 neutrally, there'd be an entire different impression, I believe, among the viewing public as to what's going

00:47:40.360 on right now and what had happened, because some of these state legislative hearings would be taken live

00:47:45.540 on the news, you know, not just some channels that some people watch on the news. President Trump,

00:47:51.620 when he called into a state legislative hearing, I can't believe that I had a hunt for that. That

00:47:57.240 should have been live on television, on the cable channels, but even perhaps on the regular news,

00:48:01.860 that's never happened before. And I had to really hunt to listen to that. They're suppressing the

00:48:07.240 coverage of what's happening in a way that makes it, you know, be a closed case and over and a

00:48:13.560 debunked conspiracy theory. But if the press simply covered it honestly, I'm not saying there

00:48:18.080 was enough fraud to overturn the election. I'm not on the ground covering these things,

00:48:22.000 and neither are the reporters who are claiming to know. But if the press were covering it differently,

00:48:26.400 I think we'd have a more accurate picture of what's going on, and it wouldn't look like what

00:48:30.220 it looks like today. Right. It's made it worse. It's put me in a position to where I don't know what

00:48:37.360 happened. But I don't think we're ever going to know what happened. And I find myself becoming

00:48:42.920 stronger and stronger of I just don't believe he lost it, but I can't prove it. And it's I had a

00:48:50.760 phone call today from a listener who said, Glenn, the Texas court case. Now we have all these states

00:48:59.860 joining in. If the Supreme Court doesn't even hear it. Or if they go against it, they're going against

00:49:09.680 Bush v. Gore. Then what? Then what? And I don't have an answer for that. Because I think some people

00:49:19.040 are thinking, look, we can tolerate a lot of things. But if we can't trust the ballot box,

00:49:26.200 and no one will honestly look into these things and at least explore them. What do we have?

00:49:37.300 Well, I'm very concerned. Let's take this election aside, since you and I don't know exactly what

00:49:42.860 happened. But let's look at 2024. And let's say there is some semblance of widespread fraud.

00:49:50.280 I think what we've learned now is there would be no way to prove it unless the right interests in

00:49:56.780 the media got interested. There would be no way to do anything about it in the time frame expected.

00:50:02.080 And one example I'll give that explains that is normally if there is voter fraud or a voter fraud

00:50:08.540 accusation, a criminal law enforcement body would step in and investigate. And this would take weeks,

00:50:15.240 months, or sometimes years. One of the Trump campaign lawyers made this point in court to gather

00:50:20.740 evidence. But with the help of a law enforcement body, you could at least get access to forensic

00:50:26.000 evidence, you could confiscate machines, you could go on private business property, you could compel

00:50:30.880 depositions under oath. With no law enforcement bodies expressing any interest that we know of in any

00:50:37.620 significant way, the Trump camp has been left to pursue this civilly without any of those tools,

00:50:44.180 really, and a truncated timeline that makes it virtually impossible to turn the kind of proof that

00:50:49.020 the courts would expect, or that they're saying they expect. So it's sort of a, how can you do it? And

00:50:55.600 that's why the press was, I think, very ill-informed or dishonest when early on, they kept saying, where's

00:51:00.520 the evidence? That's not how it works. You know, if there's evidence to be gathered, it doesn't knock on your

00:51:05.440 door and present itself to the people claiming it. And it's almost like asking a murder victim's family,

00:51:11.800 without the help of law enforcement, to say, where's your fiber evidence? Prove your forensics the day after

00:51:18.080 the crime. They don't have the ability and the access to that. That's something that law enforcement can do.

00:51:22.680 You can't do that by yourself. So I think we've seen that even, let's take this year aside, if there's fraud

00:51:29.920 in the future or foreign interference, how are you going to prove it?

00:51:33.040 So then what do we have? We don't have, we don't have a belief in our justice system. The DOJ

00:51:39.540 looks pretty darn dirty to me. That's new for me. We don't have faith in our State Department. They

00:51:49.200 appear to be very dirty and involved in things they should not be involved in. Our intelligence

00:51:56.180 community. Good God. I mean, how corrupt is that? I don't know, but I don't trust them.

00:52:05.000 You don't trust anything anymore. You don't see anyone standing up and saying, that's wrong.

00:52:15.040 They're going to pay for that. They're going to go to jail because that's wrong. There is no justice.

00:52:20.620 When you can't trust the ability to throw the bums out, what does the person, what does the American 1.00

00:52:29.980 public, what do they do? Who do they run to? I think it's a great question. I mean, the media was

00:52:38.140 supposed to be the great equalizer if stuff like that happened, but we're, we're part of the same

00:52:42.940 problem. Congress, there's, you can name any institution we have today. And I feel like there's a

00:52:47.540 similar lack of trust and confidence. And when that happens, people start to, as you said,

00:52:54.080 believe very little of what they see, even that which is true. You know, even if public health

00:52:58.320 officials are giving good advice, or the media is telling the truth, or the Department of Justice

00:53:02.520 is doing something properly, or Congress is making decisions in the best interest of the public,

00:53:07.100 even when that happens, because of this dynamic we're talking about, people don't believe it.

00:53:12.100 So they've created this, they, we, have created this lack of trust in ourselves and the institutions.

00:53:18.680 I don't know how you dial that back. I don't know who does it or how you can turn it back. This is

00:53:24.140 something that's been taking hold over a period, a long period of time.

00:53:28.580 Nobody, nobody really treated your case seriously, except the fringe media. Nobody really took that

00:53:37.320 seriously. That was terrifying what happened to you. Um, and now we're seeing that that kind of stuff

00:53:46.560 has happened to the most powerful man on the planet. Um, you know, I, I, I, I look at this and I was

00:53:56.700 talking to a farmer friend of mine and he said, you know what, we just got to shut the whole thing

00:54:02.200 down and reboot it up. Everybody should be fired and we should just shut the whole thing down.

00:54:07.180 It's so far gone now. And I, and I, I hate saying this because I really didn't like the language that

00:54:16.480 he used when he used it, but the press has become an enemy of the people because they were the defender.

00:54:24.580 They were supposed to not be sleeping with the politicians. They were supposed to be holding them 0.88

00:54:31.360 accountable. They were the last line of defense. Otherwise it's pitchforks and torches.

00:54:38.900 Well, I don't disagree with you. And I feel like even I've played this out in my mind. Let's say

00:54:44.120 you fire everybody in government. Let's say you start over with the media somehow, which isn't

00:54:49.220 going to happen, but just for the sake of fantasy, let's play that out. The interests that we're talking

00:54:53.820 about that are so good at controlling the narrative and our information, I don't have any confidence

00:54:59.900 that they wouldn't be able to repopulate with whoever you replace these other people with.

00:55:05.580 Correct. Let's talk a little bit about, about what's happening, what's happening to our country

00:55:14.620 that the press is not covering. You don't seem to hear anything about the average business owner

00:55:25.020 that we are putting out of business. I mean, the press I grew up with would have, it would

00:55:34.320 have, it would have been teeming with stories of here's Joe Schmo, here's Sally Muckenfutch and

00:55:41.520 here's what's happening in their life. They would have personalized these stories. You don't see any of

00:55:47.920 that. And the, the entrepreneur, the average working man is being decimated by these shutdowns

00:55:57.880 and nobody saying anything. What's happening there?

00:56:04.320 Well, it's the same dynamic where that's off the narrative. It fights what, whoever the powerful

00:56:11.360 interests that are pulling strings, fights what they want us to think and believe. So you're not

00:56:16.240 going to see that, but I will tell you a couple of things. Local news, which people trust slightly more

00:56:22.780 than national news, according to polls, local news is covering stories like that. They are not quite

00:56:28.520 as co-opted or controlled by the same people that we're talking about. But another example of that,

00:56:34.140 Glenn, do you know, there are protests all over the world, tens of thousands and sometimes hundreds

00:56:40.920 of thousands of people protesting the lockdowns and the mask mandates, and perhaps the idea of

00:56:47.540 mandatory vaccines. I haven't seen that covered anywhere on the news. And I've had to hunt to find the

00:56:54.040 information, the news stories and the videos. There's a blackout, I'm convinced, of those videos

00:56:59.360 and of that, because if we see that, we, the public understand that we're not alone. I mean, that's,

00:57:05.160 that's part of controlling this information landscape. You're supposed to think you're an

00:57:09.140 outlier or you're alone if you have certain viewpoints or thoughts or opinions, or you believe

00:57:13.820 a certain study. But if we saw what's happening in many other countries where people are taking to

00:57:19.220 the streets and protesting these things that we're talking about, there's a blackout of that news

00:57:24.640 here in this country, as far as I can tell. That's just another way that this is being controlled.

00:57:29.240 I talked about it on radio that that that is the goal, make you feel alone. If they can shut down,

00:57:36.180 I mean, think of this, you could go on Twitter and you could get where these protests were going to

00:57:41.500 happen from Antifa. They would tell you, and by the way, bring a brick. It was all there. So you knew

00:57:50.700 what was going on. If they shut down the people who are standing up for basic God-given rights,

00:58:00.880 you're going to feel totally alone. You're going to feel like it's just me because there's no way to

00:58:06.580 organize except, what, through pamphlets? I mean, there's just, you will feel isolated and alone.

00:58:14.980 And then there's no movement.

00:58:18.600 I spoke of this, I think I did a TEDx talk maybe three years ago, and I spoke of this in the last

00:58:25.680 book, The Smear, almost exactly what you said, that the point of controlling, particularly media,

00:58:32.000 is a very controlled environment. Don't believe, you know, you can use that for entertainment and

00:58:36.300 sharing information if you want to, but what you see in there is a very carefully managed

00:58:40.080 environment. It's not real. With the goal of what these powerful interests have done,

00:58:45.340 as I say, making you feel like an outlier when you're not. Making you feel like you're the weirdo

00:58:50.880 if you still think a certain way or you hold an opinion or you believe a study, you're supposed to

00:58:55.940 feel isolated, bullied, in the minority, somebody that shouldn't speak, somebody that shouldn't be 0.99

00:59:00.940 heard. And it's pretty effective, I think, to a lot of people. But we have to remember all the people

00:59:06.980 that have joined the alternative Twitter, I guess I'll call it parlor, and all the people that voted for

00:59:13.940 Donald Trump, whether you like, support him or not, the idea that tens of millions of people voted for

00:59:19.680 Donald Trump when all of these forces we're talking about, and virtually all of the media and internet

00:59:24.700 told you not to, because he's uniquely dangerous. And he got, what, 11 million more votes than he did

00:59:30.720 last time? I think that's a good sign that shows people recognize this, and they know they're not

00:59:35.860 alone, and they know they're getting spoon-fed narratives, and they're not buying it.

00:59:40.640 I had a person write to me last week, their subscriber to The Blaze, and they said,

00:59:46.680 I'm too afraid I'm going to be destroyed, my business is going to be destroyed, and I'm on a list

00:59:52.640 because I'm a subscriber to you, and I just can't take that risk. Somebody told me on the air today

01:00:02.220 that the majority of people never stand up because they're too afraid. How do we, how do you break that

01:00:11.580 cycle? How do you teach people like Martin Luther King did? Stand up.

01:00:17.220 I think in an incremental way, there's help on the way. And I know this because I get called every

01:00:26.800 maybe couple of weeks by someone in one of three groups of people that's working on a solution.

01:00:33.640 There are investors who are looking not to make money, but looking because they have money and they

01:00:40.080 believe in the things you're talking about. They're saying, where can I spend my money that will help

01:00:45.340 the free flow of information and help people not be deplatformed for sharing viewpoints or factual

01:00:51.940 studies that someone doesn't like or whatnot. The second group is the people of technical note

01:00:58.520 who are looking to solve this problem online where they're trying to create solutions with

01:01:02.620 blockchain technology and other things for platforms that if you tell the truth or the facts or give

01:01:09.280 accurate information, or even if you want to give out inaccurate information, quite frankly,

01:01:13.180 as long as it's not illegal, how can you not be deplatformed? They're working on the technical

01:01:17.960 aspect of it. And then there are journalists. And by the way, one of the technical people is Larry

01:01:22.920 Sanger, former co-founder of Wikipedia, who parted with that project because he understands it's been

01:01:28.040 taken over by corporate interests and agenda editors. He's working on this problem. He's thinking

01:01:33.560 about it. And then there are journalists who call me and people kind of like me who are saying,

01:01:39.280 how can I have a forum that will not be deplatformed or we can report honestly. So I think those groups

01:01:46.140 are getting together and we'll come up with something in the next four years that will have

01:01:50.220 that will be alternatives for people for thinking people and hopefully break this log jam. I just don't

01:01:55.900 know exactly what it will look like. Does it get much worse before it gets better?

01:02:02.020 I think so. I don't think we're quite yet at the breaking point. I think we're getting there,

01:02:10.640 particularly with that YouTube announcement that you read. You know, Congress keeps holding hearings

01:02:14.920 with the big tech companies and making threats and doing nothing. You know, the big tech companies,

01:02:19.640 they're giving to Republicans as well as Democrats. They may give more to the Biden camp, but they're

01:02:23.820 giving to both. And sometimes I wonder, are these just dog and pony shows? Because if you talk to

01:02:28.120 staffers on the Hill, they'll tell you that much like the media, they're now very shaped and

01:02:34.400 manipulated as to what they're allowed to do by both political parties, not allowed to do certain

01:02:39.260 oversight hearings, not allowed to do oversight hearings on certain interests that give them a

01:02:44.120 lot of money, or they have to come out a certain way, or they can do, this is the third option, a show

01:02:48.980 hearing with no follow-up. They're allowed to do a hearing that makes it sound like they're getting

01:02:53.280 tough, but then they're supposed to kind of let it go away. So I don't think we've reached the point

01:02:59.080 where, I don't even know that Congress can do anything, by the way, that changes the course of

01:03:03.320 this. I don't know that I trust them to do that, quite frankly, trust the government to intervene.

01:03:07.680 So I think we're just going to see some more of the same, but I think something else will be born

01:03:12.320 of it down the road. I hope so. Has capitalism failed? Has the constitution failed? Or have we

01:03:23.400 failed it? I'm a little out of my depth when you're speaking about that sort of thing, but I have

01:03:31.680 thought to myself, for what it's worth, that is this just an experiment that ends up like everybody

01:03:39.860 else. Maybe it takes a while, but ultimately, you know, the whole, the adage, power corrupts,

01:03:45.800 absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Do corporate and political interests figure out no matter what

01:03:51.660 the intentions are, what your constitution says, or what laws you try to make to avoid it, do they end

01:03:56.380 up understanding ultimately how to get control of pretty much any system, or in this case, we're talking

01:04:02.180 today, control of any information landscape so that they have the power? I don't know. I wonder if

01:04:09.360 that's, if that's the case. I've been wondering it myself, and I've wondered, but I feel like it's

01:04:18.640 happening. I've, I've, I've often thought you can't put the freedom genie back into the bottle. Once man

01:04:26.220 understands he can rule himself, but this is an, this is a flash in time, and we're still very unique

01:04:37.440 for the rest of the world. We, we, freedom of speech does not exist elsewhere like it does in

01:04:44.580 America. Um, but I, I feel like they're just trying to, I feel like the news media had their three

01:04:52.560 networks and PBS, and they liked it, and they could control everything. Then the internet happened,

01:04:58.320 and it was about to destroy them. So they've, they've repositioned themselves and grabbed all 0.98

01:05:04.140 that back. And they're trying to stuff that back into the bottle. I don't know if it works. And I feel

01:05:10.520 like that's, what's happening, that America had freedom and those who like to rule over serfs,

01:05:18.240 they're, they're trying their best to grab it all back and jam that back into the bottle. Can they?

01:05:27.280 Well, here's what worries me. I think there are plenty of people out there that, like you say,

01:05:32.920 would be hard pressed to allow freedom to be put back in the bottle, that you need to be put back

01:05:37.240 in the bottle. But look at still more people, perhaps, that are saying, I don't think all speech

01:05:43.640 should be allowed. You know, um, I interviewed someone from the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties

01:05:48.260 Union about two years ago, who confessed that she herself was shocked that she was regularly having

01:05:55.080 conversations with students who thought hate speech either is illegal in this country, or should

01:06:01.000 be illegal in this country. And that she was finding herself with the ACLU having to explain why all

01:06:07.300 speech, virtually all speech in this country is protected. There were people that don't view things that

01:06:12.140 way anymore, because of what they're being taught, or what they're being inundated with, and popular

01:06:16.640 media and online. And as we've discussed, there are people now inviting censorship into their lives,

01:06:23.180 they're happy to let curators in big tech come between them and the free flow of information,

01:06:29.400 they're inviting it. And that's what concerns me, the notion that there are people not having this forced

01:06:35.280 and hoisted upon them in some cases, but welcoming it and defending it.

01:06:39.260 That brings me back to the, um, the, uh, digital new deal. Listen to this. Uh, they want big tech to

01:06:48.400 adopt a new code of contact that would show, and I'm quoting deference to expert bodies. For instance,

01:06:55.760 civil and human rights groups should define hate groups and behavior and scientific and public health

01:07:03.840 bodies, such as the world health organization should guide the definition of sound science end quote.

01:07:12.120 Well, that's basically what they're already doing with their fake fact checks on Facebook. If you look

01:07:17.040 at the board of appellate experts that they've convened to make decisions, almost all of them aren't expert

01:07:23.200 in anything that they're litigating. They're human rights advocates and activists. Yep. Nothing wrong with

01:07:30.600 that, but certainly they come from a particular viewpoint that doesn't necessarily get you to

01:07:35.180 the accurate facts or as, as we would say, truth. And I think that's super harmful to decide that these

01:07:42.540 are the experts that get to determine where things go and what we see and how we view them.

01:07:47.640 Um, let me ask you this last question. Put yourself a year from now.

01:07:54.480 What's America look like a year from now?

01:08:01.580 Gosh, I, I can't say, I don't even know what's going to happen, you know, in a couple of weeks, but I love

01:08:08.620 these people who say, I can't wait for 2020 to be over. And I'm like, you think 2021 is going to be better?

01:08:15.040 It's a good point. Yeah, I might not. Right.

01:08:17.680 I feel like what we're going to see pitched battles continue to play out. Um, particularly if Donald

01:08:25.180 Trump does not win his election battle. And I would say if I had to put money on it with no

01:08:29.440 inside information, he's not going to win. Um, so you're going to have a strong contingent of

01:08:35.040 tens of millions of Americans who feel like they didn't get a fair shot or that something went wrong,

01:08:40.480 or at least the media didn't cover it fairly and the government's, you know, on the take.

01:08:44.360 And I think that bubbles up and we'll have to see if a new movement starts either with Donald Trump

01:08:49.200 outside of the government or with some other figure. And at the same time, we will see these

01:08:54.240 efforts I mentioned, trying to make information flow more freely and more like we envision it in

01:09:00.820 this country, there will be technical solutions. But those will be fought out with people being

01:09:05.580 deplatformed and controversialized and attacked. You know, I think, I think it'll get worse,

01:09:13.100 like you said before it gets better, but I do hope it gets better.

01:09:16.160 Do you think the Senate is held by the Republicans in Georgia or not?

01:09:22.680 Well, I'm not a political expert. I really, I have no idea.

01:09:26.340 I'm shocked at how, I'm shocked at how close that race is. I mean, I just, I can't believe I live in 1.00

01:09:32.540 a country where, as you said, just a few minutes ago, so many people are cool with it. They're like,

01:09:37.620 oh yeah, Marxism, you know, fewer freedoms. I'm good with that.

01:09:42.380 Well, as an outsider that, as I said, I'm not a political expert, it looks strange to me. It's

01:09:48.300 something that if I were covering elections and politics, I would want to dig deeply into

01:09:52.100 if there were allegedly election mischief. And Georgia has quite a bit, some of it proven,

01:09:59.180 some of it not, some of it alleged. But is it enough that that could have impacted,

01:10:03.160 what a coincidence. The only two Senate races in this whole country that are still at play like

01:10:08.000 that are two in the state of Georgia, where they had all these other alleged anomalies.

01:10:12.980 I mean, everybody's just accepted that those races, the outcome of those initial votes, I guess,

01:10:18.720 were accurate and true. I don't know that that's been thoroughly vetted. I don't know that it matters

01:10:22.760 at this point, but I think that's a little strange.

01:10:27.740 Cheryl, I hope someday you receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom,

01:10:32.300 because I think you deserve it. You're very brave and I'm a big fan. Thank you so much for being on

01:10:39.160 with us. Well, Glenn, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. You bet.

01:10:47.280 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it

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The Glenn Beck Program - December 12, 2020

Ep 90 ｜ Why Corrupt Media Chose Joe Biden ｜ Sharyl Attkisson ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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