The Glenn Beck Program - January 09, 2021


Ep 92 ｜ Can Frustrated Conservatives Learn from the Tea Party？ ｜ Matt Kibbe ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


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Matt Kibbe of Kilbbe on Liberty joins Glenn Beck on the Glenn Beck Podcast to discuss the events of yesterday's protest in Washington, D.C. and the lessons we can learn from them. Matt is a veteran of the tea party movement and has been involved in the protest movement since the early days of the Tea Party movement.

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00:00:00.000 The last time we had today's guest on the Glenn Beck podcast was April of 2019, and the world was a vastly different place.
00:00:10.380 The main thing you need to know going into this podcast is that today, the day we're recording this, is January 7th, 2021.
00:00:20.240 This is the day after the protesters stormed Congress.
00:00:24.860 Today's guest had one of the best responses to the chaos that took place yesterday.
00:00:29.400 He tweeted a quote from Martin Luther King.
00:00:33.020 The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
00:00:41.120 Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
00:00:45.940 The guy who quoted Martin Luther King yesterday, Matt Kibbe of Kibbe on Liberty right here on Blaze TV.
00:00:54.980 Welcome, Matt Kibbe, to the Glenn Beck podcast.
00:00:59.400 Matt, I feel as though you and I have been here before.
00:01:16.340 Uh, and, uh, there needs to be a new path forward, uh, to be able to save the Republic and save freedom.
00:01:29.220 Uh, give me your first, your thoughts on what happened at the Capitol.
00:01:32.920 Yeah, um, watching what went down at the Capitol yesterday, uh, forced me to go back and think about a lot of the things that we did together as we were participating in the early days of the Tea Party movement.
00:01:49.140 And, and how this was fundamentally different, a mutation, a corruption of, of those principles.
00:01:57.080 And, and I, I'll tell you a story that I don't think you've ever heard before.
00:02:01.660 I think it was 2010 and we had organized a bunch of, of activists to come to Washington, D.C.
00:02:08.640 We were fighting against Obama's health care bill.
00:02:13.260 And one of the things we planned on doing, we spent the entire day reading about the civil rights movement and reading about Martin Luther King and nonviolence.
00:02:22.540 And, and, and we actually did explicit nonviolent training because we knew that we knew that violence was not only morally, not us, but it was a really bad strategy to, to ape the tactics of the other side.
00:02:36.920 Um, but one, one thing that happened during that day is a bunch of activists agreed to do, uh, what was called a die in.
00:02:44.520 They were going to actually go to Nancy Pelosi's office and lie on the floor of her office and die.
00:02:51.200 And this was a, this was a tactic, uh, borrowed from the left.
00:02:54.900 Correct.
00:02:55.460 And they went up there and they planned that it was going to be nonviolence.
00:02:58.560 They, they got to Nancy Pelosi's office and a police office, a Capitol Hill police officer came up and said, folks, you can't be here.
00:03:06.640 And instead of anything else, what do you think they said?
00:03:11.080 They said, okay, officer, we'll move on.
00:03:13.900 I remember that.
00:03:15.220 I do remember it.
00:03:16.640 Yeah.
00:03:17.360 Yeah.
00:03:17.560 And so they, they did not have it in them to do the sorts of things that the left does on a regular basis.
00:03:26.220 And they very much respected that officer and they respected the rules and they, you know, they, they peacefully went on their way and we did other things.
00:03:34.080 And, and I was thinking about that, watching the, the, uh, uh, uh, Trump activists in Pelosi's office.
00:03:40.520 And I said, this, this is a disaster.
00:03:43.840 It's a, it's a disaster for our values, but it's also a disaster for our liberties.
00:03:48.640 If you're, if you're wanting to move forward in agenda, um, creating the narrative that the left so wanted to say about us back in the tea party days.
00:04:02.140 Now they got it now, now, now Trump activists, uh, fairly unfairly, everybody's going to get drawn into this narrative that this is a violent movement.
00:04:12.780 Um, and you remember, they used to call us tea party activists, terrorists.
00:04:17.000 Yeah, I know.
00:04:17.560 And we're, we were terrorists because we were waving copies of the constitution.
00:04:21.240 Yeah.
00:04:21.880 And now, now they have that narrative and it's devastating.
00:04:24.780 So Matt, I agree with you.
00:04:26.420 There's many reasons that, um, what happened yesterday at the Capitol happened, but there was zero excuses for it.
00:04:33.200 Um, other than, you know, people are frustrated and they don't know what else to do.
00:04:39.100 I think there are some people, um, now that are on the right, um, that are frustrated and think that violence is the answer, but all you have to do is look at history to know that Malcolm X, his ideas were a disaster when he was saying, go after him, get him.
00:05:02.880 Um, and while people fought Martin Luther King in his own movement, they fought him and said, come on, man, how much more of this do we have to take?
00:05:13.660 His idea, Gandhi's idea, Jesus's idea is the right way to fight. 0.99
00:05:20.660 Make the case for a nonviolent movement.
00:05:25.180 Yeah.
00:05:26.720 Well, first of all, um, just aping the tactics of the violent left, you have to appreciate two things.
00:05:33.500 One, that doesn't reflect our values and a movement that's not rooted in the values that you're fighting for is, is corrupt and will never work.
00:05:41.740 And two, guess what people we've always known this.
00:05:45.100 There's two sets of rules.
00:05:46.300 And if you're going to behave like the left, hoping that the political class and the media and law enforcement treat you the same way, that's, that's not going to happen.
00:05:56.080 But the most important thing, and this is what Dr. King spoke about so often, and we've talked about this for years, you and I have, is that the tactic of nonviolence is the most powerful force in the world.
00:06:12.780 Violence doesn't work.
00:06:13.840 Violence actually makes things worse.
00:06:17.240 Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me just play devil's advocate.
00:06:20.720 You and I have been talking about this for 20 years, so I'm playing devil's advocate here.
00:06:27.160 Founders went to violence.
00:06:29.740 They had to have violence.
00:06:31.100 You say violence never solved anything.
00:06:33.160 Well, it solved the civil war and it solved slavery.
00:06:37.300 You know, it's funny as, of course, we use the Boston Tea Party as the model for the actual Tea Party.
00:06:44.040 And what was most interesting about the Boston Tea Party is the way that Sam Adams and other activists organized it in such a way so that it did not devolve into the kind of violence that you would have expected very much at the time.
00:06:59.480 Because at the time of the colonists, the British soldiers were gunning them down in the streets.
00:07:06.060 And yet no one was killed.
00:07:07.540 No one was hurt at the Boston Tea Party.
00:07:09.420 They very, in a very strategic way, focused on the tea, which they viewed as a symbol of crony capitalism and government oppression.
00:07:19.160 And, you know, burn down the ships, didn't desecrate the ships, didn't molest anyone.
00:07:27.520 Many times were just like, Captain, we're only after this.
00:07:32.280 Stand over there and we're just doing this.
00:07:35.120 And they did it.
00:07:36.140 They were very careful that they did not do anything but dump the tea in.
00:07:42.100 And that's, you know, there's that famous John Adams quote at the time he argued, and I'll butcher the quote, but he said at the time that one third of the American public were patriots.
00:07:54.200 One third of the American public were in the tank with the British. 0.97
00:07:57.440 And a third of the public were watching to see what was going to happen.
00:08:01.380 Yeah.
00:08:01.740 And what that nonviolence did is it galvanized the people that were trying to figure out who they were going to side with.
00:08:09.360 And to me, that's everything that we're trying to do today.
00:08:13.120 And we'll get into this.
00:08:14.020 But our job is not to convince Nancy Pelosi or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that freedom is a good idea.
00:08:21.280 Or the Republicans.
00:08:22.840 Yeah.
00:08:23.220 Or the Republicans.
00:08:25.060 Or any politician for that matter.
00:08:27.440 And I think there's exceptions, but that's not the point of a strategy.
00:08:32.220 Our job is to reconnect with the American people who are struggling to make sense of what's going on today.
00:08:40.020 And to me, that's a massive opportunity.
00:08:42.140 But if your strategy is violence, you are damaging everything that we're trying to do.
00:08:49.600 Explain why.
00:08:50.980 Why?
00:08:51.240 I mean, Martin Luther King said it just turns you into them.
00:08:58.080 Yeah.
00:08:58.440 Can you go into that to explain why it just doesn't ever work?
00:09:03.280 I tweeted and I won't try to quote Martin Luther King because I would do a disservice to his quote.
00:09:09.420 But he gives that amazing speech about how violence begets violence and hate begets hate and violent tactics only feed the evil that you're fighting against.
00:09:23.560 And I think that's part of the problem is is violence gives demagogues.
00:09:28.680 Think about think about think about your worst nightmare in terms of legislation, in terms of a politician that would have more power.
00:09:35.580 Violence gives them a platform to delegitimize you and to expand their power.
00:09:42.240 And I think one of the things that's going to come out of yesterday is a radical diminishment of our liberties in the name of public safety.
00:09:50.520 That happens all the time.
00:09:51.820 This is what they feed upon.
00:09:53.020 But it's also, you know, and I think this is this is where and obviously MLK studied and spoke to Gandhi about this stuff.
00:10:03.780 And and there's there's an entire global history of nonviolent movements that have fundamentally changed the world in favor of freedom.
00:10:12.680 So the the secret, though, of it that Dietrich Bonhoeffer learned because he tried the nonviolent approach and then eventually he was part of the Valkyrie attempt on Hitler's life. 0.71
00:10:40.480 And he was a pacifist. He didn't believe in killing me.
00:10:44.060 I mean, he was he was he lived these principles.
00:10:48.160 It wasn't a strategy for him.
00:10:50.140 That's who he was.
00:10:51.640 But what he figured out was the opposite of Gandhi.
00:10:57.760 Gandhi said, we're not we're not trying to be nonviolent for the Indians.
00:11:04.140 We are doing it to the Western, the Judeo-Christian West. 0.99
00:11:08.880 They will recognize good over evil.
00:11:14.300 What Bonhoeffer, who was who wrote many times, I've got to talk to this Gandhi, I've got to talk to Gandhi.
00:11:20.200 He gets it. He understands what he didn't understand until too late was the Germans had already darkened their heart so much that there was no Judeo-Christian value. 0.95
00:11:32.960 That was the overriding mass appeal, correct?
00:11:38.320 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very much so.
00:11:40.740 Yeah. We libertarians have this obtuse phrase we call the the non-aggression principle.
00:11:47.180 And it basically says you shouldn't hurt people or take their stuff.
00:11:51.740 Yeah.
00:11:51.980 But you very much have a right to defend your life and your family when when someone has has aggressed against you.
00:11:59.700 And that's not what we're talking about here.
00:12:01.520 If I'm in Nazi Germany, I am fighting for my life.
00:12:05.760 And the rules of the game are fundamentally different.
00:12:10.040 That's not what we're talking about in America.
00:12:13.340 And and I would I would go on like one of the textbooks that we provided Tea Party activists in that story that I told at the beginning of this conversation was a book called A Force More Powerful.
00:12:23.500 I know I've sent you a copy of I've I share it with everybody and it's it's case studies of nonviolent revolutions that fundamentally changed the world.
00:12:32.080 And and of course, Gandhi's story is in there and MLK and the civil rights movement is in there.
00:12:37.840 The solidarity movement is in there.
00:12:39.980 And the the the it's just empirical evidence that shows that people united in a set of values that are universal, the values that are going to be appealing to the rest of your countrymen in your community, that that's how you do it.
00:12:59.140 There is no other way to do it.
00:13:00.620 Well, I will tell you that I heard of a lot of people say, well, you know, this is the way they were doing it, you know, this summer.
00:13:07.760 Yeah, they were. They were. And it was wrong for them to do it that way.
00:13:12.100 But the proof is in the pudding at the beginning of Black Lives Matter, when nobody knew what it was and it was just, hey, do you hate black people or you think black people should be shot by cops for no reason?
00:13:26.560 And everybody was in love with this idea and everybody was out marching.
00:13:31.460 They had about a 78 percent approval rating.
00:13:34.280 They were more popular, I believe, than the military was or within a couple of points.
00:13:40.880 Most popular organization in all of America.
00:13:44.580 By the end of the summer, it was in the toilet.
00:13:47.580 It was in the 20s or just approaching 20.
00:13:51.840 That is because of the violence.
00:13:54.720 People didn't go to the website suddenly and realize, wait a minute, they're anti family.
00:14:00.220 They're anti this.
00:14:00.860 They just saw that as that's a violent group of people.
00:14:04.900 I don't want to have anything to do with it.
00:14:06.520 Yeah. And we should we should point out and I I was very sympathetic to the early nonviolent Black Lives Matter protests, because as I understood it, speaking to some of my progressive friends who are very much part of that, their argument was in the context of law enforcement and the justice system.
00:14:28.900 Black lives are not treated equally with white lives.
00:14:32.780 Right.
00:14:33.020 And I happen to believe that.
00:14:35.040 And I could show you data that that shows, particularly in the context of the drug war, there's been a very disproportionate enforcement of the laws.
00:14:44.540 But the moment they got violent and by the way, it wasn't the people that were righteously showing up the street, no testing violence that got violence.
00:14:52.760 There was a bad apple or bad apples or perhaps an organizational bent towards violence.
00:15:00.720 That's absolutely the truth in Antifa.
00:15:02.920 I believe that it's probably true with BLM's leadership as well.
00:15:06.580 So you have to always distinguish between people that are trying to desperately fix the system and they're showing up because they don't know what else to do versus the professionals who want somebody to get hurt.
00:15:18.560 I wrote an op-ed.
00:15:20.100 I wrote an op-ed, I think, in 2016.
00:15:23.120 We were covering the Black Lives Matter rally or march here in Dallas when policemen were shot.
00:15:31.700 And because we were there and so were the marchers, when the shots rang out, all of us just became human.
00:15:41.000 And we all, you know, rushed into alleys or hid behind cars.
00:15:45.900 We didn't know what the shooter was, where the shooter was.
00:15:49.400 And you kind of bond at that moment as humans.
00:15:53.620 And I had an opportunity to actually sit and talk to the marchers.
00:16:00.700 And when I was truly listening to them, what they were what they were marching for was, please, someone listen, someone listen to us, please.
00:16:13.920 And they didn't associate with the Black Lives Matter, the anti-family.
00:16:19.200 In fact, they were the opposite of that.
00:16:21.580 That's the scary thing that you and I both have warned for so long.
00:16:26.400 Be careful who you're standing next to.
00:16:29.060 They you might agree with them on this one big issue, but you have to know what else they believe, because they are going to either ruin your movement or you're joining their movement.
00:16:43.460 And you don't know what you're in for.
00:16:46.700 You're on the wrong side.
00:16:48.940 Which which, by the way, is why we need to police our own community as aggressively, as fairly, maybe more so.
00:17:00.180 We need to hold people sort of let's let's accept the right left thing, right of center.
00:17:05.020 Even even though I've never been part of Trump nationalism, I feel an obligation to speak up.
00:17:12.820 And I have all going all the way back to 2016.
00:17:15.480 You can find an article I wrote on The Blaze talking about the violence at Trump rallies.
00:17:21.700 And and it was very much Trump activists sort of falling into that trap when they were goaded and and even even violently attacked by leftist protesters.
00:17:33.760 They started punching back.
00:17:35.680 Well, and because in 2016, he was encouraging that.
00:17:40.360 Yeah.
00:17:40.680 I mean, from stage, he was encouraging that.
00:17:42.920 Yeah.
00:17:43.920 Yeah.
00:17:44.600 And to me, that and I wrote about it grossly irresponsible on on on candidate Trump's part.
00:17:53.320 You have you have to speak up and hold your folks accountable first.
00:17:57.100 And I'll go back to what we did with the Tea Party.
00:17:59.040 You can go back and look at the rallies part by 2010.
00:18:03.940 When we knew that people from the other side were going to infiltrate and make us look bad.
00:18:09.500 And a key part of my stump speech, you can watch these old speeches on C-SPAN, was telling my folks and sometimes they didn't really enjoy it that much.
00:18:19.080 But I said there's zero tolerance for violence, for bad actors, even if it's a sign that that doesn't match our values.
00:18:28.820 We're going to ask you to leave.
00:18:30.220 And by that, by the way, it's not going to be me.
00:18:32.180 It's going to be the neighbors that are going to surround you.
00:18:35.480 You have to police your own community first. 0.73
00:18:37.560 And and I see this dynamic where the left absolutely turns a blind eye to Antifa violence and and the looting of of shops and stuff like that.
00:18:49.060 And I don't think that anybody that calls themselves a conservative or Republican, I'm a libertarian, whatever you want to call yourself, you've got to hold everybody to the same standard.
00:19:00.560 You know, I remember doing the show on Fox where I asked everybody to come together and we started the 912 project and it was based on nine principles, 12 values.
00:19:16.560 And and and I did that for a reason, because it wasn't about Donald.
00:19:23.960 It wasn't about Barack Obama.
00:19:25.760 It wasn't about health care.
00:19:28.340 It was about principles and values.
00:19:30.820 And and I remember meeting with you the first time you remember the first time we met.
00:19:37.460 I think it was well, it would have been in Dallas, right?
00:19:42.640 No, it was in New York in my office in New York.
00:19:44.860 And and and I was very hesitant to meet meet with you because I did not at the time you're running FreedomWorks and I did not want this to turn political.
00:19:57.480 This was about principles and values.
00:19:59.380 And you and I sat down in my office and I realized you're a libertarian.
00:20:03.700 You're not there's there's you're not a GOP guy that's looking for power.
00:20:08.220 You're looking to teach the same things.
00:20:10.360 And the first Tea Party March was on nine was on nine twelve.
00:20:16.860 And there was something.
00:20:18.960 In fact, I've heard several people who were at the march yesterday said, look, I attended all the old Tea Party things and the things that, you know, the restoring honor events.
00:20:28.640 And this just felt different from the beginning.
00:20:32.560 There was something that was different and it wasn't necessarily the leadership.
00:20:37.840 It was just a pocket of people who nobody had briefed that crowd on and said, look, remember, we're not violent.
00:20:47.660 We're not any of these things.
00:20:49.680 Squash them, point them out, get away from them.
00:20:53.080 And that was really important to both of us.
00:20:56.160 Yeah.
00:20:57.800 And and like the entire legitimacy of the cause depended on that.
00:21:05.260 Yeah.
00:21:06.540 And yeah, you by the way, you you are a tough interview.
00:21:09.880 You you grilled the hell out of me.
00:21:14.160 Apparently, I passed the test.
00:21:15.720 But well, I just I didn't want it to.
00:21:19.220 It had to be bigger than a political party.
00:21:24.120 And as you know, the whole Tea Party thing and even FreedomWorks kind of fell apart after you left because it was a hostile takeover by infiltrating of the GOP.
00:21:38.200 Yeah.
00:21:38.840 They saw it as something they could use and it turned into something ugly.
00:21:42.540 Politics, politics, politics broke the Tea Party ultimately.
00:21:47.680 And I think that's so that's a lesson we can apply for for how we move forward.
00:21:52.780 And I'm not against being involved in political races as long as you believe that the person that you're fighting for actually shares those values.
00:22:05.980 And it's a very hard thing to figure out, as we've learned the hard way.
00:22:09.200 But, you know, the very first race that we got involved in in the Tea Party movement was Mike Lee.
00:22:14.920 And I have to say to this day, I'm I'm still really proud that I was involved in that fight.
00:22:20.040 I have to tell you, I haven't I I can't think of another politician that I haven't been pissed at.
00:22:30.860 You know what I mean? I might disagree with him from time to time, but I always I'll listen to him or I'll call him and I'll say, Mike, what is.
00:22:39.100 And his answer makes me feel bad because I'm like, oh, crap.
00:22:43.280 He's rooted in principle and the Constitution.
00:22:48.340 But we had this we had this slogan back then.
00:22:50.880 We have to beat the Republicans before we can beat the Democrats.
00:22:53.920 Yeah, it was an absolutely values based, nonpartisan mission where we were going to hold everybody to the same standard.
00:23:01.240 And, of course, Mike Lee took out a tired old incumbent that didn't stand for anything anymore.
00:23:06.560 But what happened is once once we created that that community, it was like crack for opportunistic politicians.
00:23:14.640 They wanted to get on that stage and what what became a principled fight for principled fighters eventually became, oh, we have to support the Republican slate to know we have to win the presidency.
00:23:25.660 And and it just became about nothing.
00:23:29.600 And I think once that once the Tea Party lost its moorings in those values and its willingness to hold everybody to the same standard, that's when things started to so way.
00:23:40.120 That is I mean, that's it was the problem with this was rally where some people were saying, yeah, but I've had enough.
00:23:51.540 So violence is no, you have to have the same standard.
00:23:55.200 If it's wrong for them, it's wrong for you.
00:23:58.360 And and but but it doesn't seem to me, Matt, and this really why I wanted to talk to you today.
00:24:05.380 It doesn't seem to me that you could put the old Tea Party back together.
00:24:08.360 First of all, a lot of the people I mean, that was, what, 10 years ago, 12 years ago now.
00:24:16.300 And so they're older.
00:24:17.700 You know, we were in our 40s when that happened and we're not exactly 40 anymore.
00:24:23.780 And some of our supporters back then, the people who were really the diehards, that's a different generation. 1.00
00:24:30.500 And a lot of water has gone under the bridge and a lot of people feel differently.
00:24:38.240 We believed in the police.
00:24:39.800 We believed in, you know, we could change the Republican Party.
00:24:44.160 We believed in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.
00:24:48.520 We we believed in ourselves.
00:24:51.180 Being able to change things.
00:24:54.420 Well, I don't believe in the courts anymore.
00:24:56.020 I don't believe in the FBI, the DOJ.
00:24:58.500 I do believe there is a deep state.
00:25:01.260 I do believe that things are out of control.
00:25:04.280 The media.
00:25:05.200 I mean, I thought I didn't have any trust for the media in 08 and 09 and 10.
00:25:09.080 Good heavens.
00:25:10.540 That was that was baby romper room stuff.
00:25:13.400 I don't believe in truth, justice and the American way anymore because I don't think it exists.
00:25:22.820 How do you get people who have done it?
00:25:26.940 Have been belittled, stomped on, feel like they've just had their vote taken from them.
00:25:34.400 They're mocked and ridiculed by their own party and their own people.
00:25:38.800 They're tired.
00:25:40.060 They're fed up.
00:25:40.900 They're done.
00:25:41.620 How do you appeal to that person and say, hey, we're we're going to get together and do this?
00:25:48.640 Yeah, I mean, it's it's difficult.
00:25:51.300 And I could very much like you just described, follow this 10 year process, starting with President Obama, his campaign and David Axelrod, his key advisor, essentially calling us domestic terrorists just for yes, for peacefully petitioning our government for a redress of grievances.
00:26:11.040 So I sort of I get how some people ended up here.
00:26:14.680 But I think the the mistake going back to the to the to the to the sort of death of the Tea Party and then even Trump ism that the core value of any grassroots movement can't be in a charismatic leader.
00:26:32.240 Yes. Right.
00:26:32.660 It was never about you or me.
00:26:35.140 It was no it was always about the thousands and thousands of leaders who were leading by example first.
00:26:41.680 And I think I think the first thing we have to realize and maybe this is that moment to realize that is a politics is not your friend.
00:26:49.220 Politics is not the solution.
00:26:50.920 If you put all of your eggs in a basket where you're going to elect someone and they're going to solve all your problems for you, you're forgetting what our core philosophy is.
00:26:59.580 We want to be left free enough that we can solve our own problems.
00:27:03.500 And and that to me is a fundamentally different ethos.
00:27:07.060 You know, I think with your original 9-11 platform, you got at what today is still the right strategy.
00:27:15.620 It took us a while to get here and that's like we got to we got to take on the culture and let me define what I mean by that.
00:27:22.920 Like, I I think we've we've been trying a top down approach to fixing our culture.
00:27:27.920 Yeah.
00:27:28.360 When our culture and those values that hold us together as Americans have been rotting from the bottom up and we know how it happens.
00:27:35.760 It's the education system.
00:27:37.420 It's the media.
00:27:38.760 It's the Hollywood.
00:27:40.860 It's everything that has been teaching us, particularly young people, that these these American values aren't any damn good anymore.
00:27:49.640 Yeah.
00:27:49.820 It's it's it's consumerism.
00:27:51.820 It's it's everything.
00:27:53.520 Everything.
00:27:54.100 Yeah.
00:27:56.200 And we need to take our message to the popular culture and we need to be speaking to people who don't know all of our secret code words.
00:28:09.040 They haven't read Jefferson or Madison and they would never identify as conservative or libertarian.
00:28:14.820 They're probably not even sure what those are or if they do think they know what they are.
00:28:18.280 It probably is fundamentally different than we think it is.
00:28:21.120 And that means not doing sort of angry clickbait rage against the machine kind of stuff that that very much works, worked for Fox News.
00:28:33.820 It works for the angry left.
00:28:36.180 But the people in the middle, they actually want to find common ground.
00:28:40.980 They want to listen to other people.
00:28:42.200 They want to feel like they're part of something.
00:28:45.760 And the way we do that is not to not to create start a new political party.
00:28:49.700 Maybe there'll be one.
00:28:51.100 I mean, I'm a libertarian now.
00:28:52.300 Maybe that's part of the answer.
00:28:54.220 But I don't think it's politics.
00:28:55.660 I think it's it's telling that story and treating people that don't agree with us with a modicum of respect.
00:29:01.700 So I I've talked to several senators and congressmen recently, and I've been saying this for a long time, but I think now it's really becoming important.
00:29:11.900 And, you know, I told them the birth of the of the Republican Party in the 1850s was the beatdown of a senator who was standing up saying, I don't think either side, I don't think either party actually cares about slavery.
00:29:34.920 You say you're going to phase it out.
00:29:36.680 You're going to stop it.
00:29:37.440 You know, you're all playing political games and almost beaten down or actually almost beaten to death on the floor of the Senate.
00:29:47.700 And and I have I've told them somebody that we don't need to beat down, thank God, but it might be coming.
00:29:56.720 But we need somebody to stand up and say, I don't care.
00:30:02.320 Both of you suck.
00:30:03.460 Both parties suck.
00:30:04.900 And I don't care.
00:30:06.140 I'll work with anyone who just believes in the Bill of Rights, just the Bill of Rights. 0.64
00:30:13.320 We are so far apart.
00:30:15.620 Nobody even knows what they are.
00:30:18.460 And that's the problem and the solution.
00:30:23.180 And I'm out.
00:30:24.700 And, you know, if they could get a few key people that could lead it, if they don't do it, somebody else has to.
00:30:34.880 But just say to people, look, do you believe in freedom of speech?
00:30:39.680 That's being lost.
00:30:41.520 We have to talk about what freedom of speech means.
00:30:46.040 We have to understand that life is not fair.
00:30:50.160 You're not always going to agree.
00:30:52.460 In fact, most of your life, you're going to be surrounded by people you might think are pinheads that are over you.
00:30:58.020 You know what I mean?
00:30:58.860 You got to deal with it and move on with your life.
00:31:01.140 We have to get back to this place to where my parents, my grandparents, they didn't talk about politics.
00:31:09.980 They didn't talk about religion because they knew it would piss everybody off.
00:31:13.940 And I don't care.
00:31:15.940 I don't need to know that part of you.
00:31:18.200 You do in your bedroom.
00:31:20.000 You do in your personal life.
00:31:21.880 You do in your faith.
00:31:23.380 Whatever.
00:31:23.740 However, I just have bigger principles here.
00:31:27.900 Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
00:31:30.280 You know, how do we get back there when we when that has been so eroded even more in the last 10 years?
00:31:39.280 Well, isn't that potentially the counterrevolution?
00:31:43.340 And we all know that counterrevolutions are super cool and you're fighting against the man and you're fighting against the status quo.
00:31:49.860 But the new man is woke authoritarianism.
00:31:53.900 Yes, it's absolute intolerance for anyone that deviates from your view of what what the righteous way to behave is.
00:32:03.820 And to me, that's a big barn door opening for small L libertarianism because we don't really have any designs on your life.
00:32:14.620 I just want you to leave me alone so that I can raise my family so that I can go worship where I choose to worship so that I can live my life as long as I don't hurt people or take their stuff.
00:32:25.080 And you you've seen both Ben Shapiro.
00:32:28.860 He's he's pretty conservative guy.
00:32:30.380 And Senator Mike Lee, a pretty conservative guy, make different versions of that argument, Mike, in the context of federalism, of the whole the whole genius of the federalist system.
00:32:41.760 Is it allowed different states and different communities to make different decisions on how they would govern themselves?
00:32:46.880 And and Ben argues that the the only way out of the culture war where we every four years we're going to fight so that we control power so that we can make everybody else live like us.
00:32:58.860 The only way out of that death cycle is to embrace a libertarian ethos.
00:33:04.920 And we shouldn't actually be using the L word.
00:33:07.120 We should figure out a way to explain this because it's basically what your mom taught you.
00:33:12.260 It's an American ethos.
00:33:14.440 It's a it's it's a common sense ethos.
00:33:17.600 It's it it it it it it amazes me that so many people today think they just have the right to tell me or you or somebody else how to live their life.
00:33:37.320 And I know this must seem ironic to a lot of the to the left, because the honest ones were like fighting for the freedom of speech, you know, against conservatives that were saying you can't put a crucifix in urine.
00:33:53.940 Yes, you can.
00:33:54.940 Yes, you can. I don't like it.
00:33:56.480 But yes, you can.
00:33:57.640 So it must be seem ironic for the honest ones.
00:34:02.380 But it's ironic for me, because those people who said they were really for freedom of speech, they really were for equal rights with, you know, gay marriage and everything else.
00:34:15.380 Because I agreed with you, I agreed with you, but where are you now?
00:34:19.840 Yeah, we're because now everyone is being forced because of another religious group and their, you know, their their beliefs.
00:34:30.500 I mean, global warming and and this Marxist critical theory that's become a religion and it's almost a theocracy that we're living in now.
00:34:43.580 You deny it no matter what your evidence is, you're out.
00:34:48.220 And by the way, that says illiberal as it is anti-constitutional conservative.
00:34:55.920 Yes, that that entire ethos of authority and and appealing to people in power.
00:35:02.100 And I and I see it in every argument we have today from from lockdowns to global warming and everything else and honest liberals.
00:35:10.080 And there are absolutely all over the place in the United States, a huge population of honest liberals that are distraught by wokeism and the cancel culture and all of this stuff.
00:35:24.920 And I think that's that's one place where we can begin.
00:35:28.020 And it starts with the First Amendment and it it starts with being willing to not shout down someone that disagrees with you.
00:35:37.240 But because but we are that's but at least half of the country is cheering.
00:35:43.820 And I think to some degree, I bet it's 70 percent of the country cheers when their side silences the other.
00:35:54.200 And that I mean, it's digital book burning right now.
00:35:58.620 Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:00.100 Well, I'll I'll I'll take 30 percent to start with.
00:36:03.580 That's that's that's that's a lot more than any of the heroes we've been talking about had when they started their fights.
00:36:10.200 So I'm I'm I'm very much comfortable with that.
00:36:13.160 But I think like the difference and tactically and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of of big tech and how they control the conversation.
00:36:21.940 But but tactically, we have an advantage because we're not making stuff up.
00:36:30.160 Yeah, we're speaking truth.
00:36:33.000 And I'll read 1984 lately.
00:36:36.060 I mean, it could be it could be the newspaper, you know, if anybody read a newspaper anymore.
00:36:41.540 But I mean, it's it's shocking how relevant it is today.
00:36:46.560 But that like that, the challenge on a on a strategy moving forward that looks at speaking truth to power in this way, and that means calling out the media, that means calling out big tech.
00:37:00.800 It means calling out the political class.
00:37:02.740 It means calling out yourself when you're wrong.
00:37:05.680 It means calling out yourself when you're wrong.
00:37:07.480 Well, I wish we could learn how to do that again, because it doesn't seem like anybody feels the responsibility of doing that anymore.
00:37:18.280 I have to tell you, Matt, I we sat around after my broadcast last night after a full day at the blaze of everybody, you know, broadcasting and and Elijah Schaefer there in D.C.
00:37:31.220 And we all looked at each other, which I don't think we would have done 20 years ago because it would have been normal.
00:37:40.280 But we looked at each other and said, who else has done what we've done?
00:37:45.880 We have asked the really hard questions that we didn't want to ask because it will incriminate our side.
00:37:54.960 We have not made excuses.
00:37:56.880 We were exactly the same as we were on Antifa.
00:38:02.120 And we're really, truly trying to find the answers.
00:38:05.920 And when we do, we call a spade a spade.
00:38:09.280 That doesn't happen very often anymore because.
00:38:14.160 Well, we have this debate.
00:38:15.900 Is it because people don't want to hear the truth?
00:38:18.900 They just want to believe what they believe.
00:38:21.460 Or is it that there is no credibility?
00:38:25.540 There's no no one trusts anything.
00:38:28.980 And everyone is bad feels betrayed by even their own side.
00:38:35.520 That they they don't know what to believe.
00:38:38.560 And so they just trust themselves and what their gut says.
00:38:42.660 Which is it?
00:38:44.200 Do you think?
00:38:45.420 We don't want to know the truth or we don't believe anybody.
00:38:49.800 I think it may be a combination of both.
00:38:52.440 And in our personal consumption of this stuff, we probably can't always discern the difference in those two things.
00:39:00.880 Because it's painful when someone calls out one of your core beliefs and says, that's that's wrong.
00:39:08.640 You got it wrong.
00:39:09.880 And you have to be willing to at least listen to the possibility that your team got it wrong.
00:39:17.080 And but but it's, you know, we all know about these echo chambers now.
00:39:21.040 And that's that's a real thing.
00:39:22.680 But again, going back to this theme of a counter revolution, particularly young people, you know, they left Facebook a long time ago because they didn't want to be manipulated.
00:39:32.440 They didn't like the idea that this scroll would prevent them from actually pursuing ideas that were interesting to them.
00:39:38.580 So they binge watch things and they listen to Joe Rogan for three hours a day, which is utterly contrary to everything we thought we knew about about how people consume content.
00:39:49.020 And so I again, you're not you're not going to start with a majority and go back to John Adams if if we have 30 percent and maybe we don't have 30 percent, maybe we have less.
00:40:02.060 But that doesn't mean that you can't create a better product in active entrepreneurship where people that didn't even know they needed a better thing are still searching for things.
00:40:18.180 And I I think I think we have to leave.
00:40:20.120 This is what I get into leadership is leaders leading by example.
00:40:23.460 Even if you're the only person in the world that's willing to do it, somebody steps out first.
00:40:30.520 And all of the heroes we've mentioned, they they did that.
00:40:34.840 We have to do that.
00:40:37.020 So I was thinking about.
00:40:41.100 You know, revolution and civil war for the last 20 years, a lot.
00:40:47.480 But I was thinking about it here in the last probably eight, nine weeks, a lot, because I think the color revolution is is what we're witnessing right now.
00:40:59.440 The beginnings of a color revolution and it's being prompted and pushed, I believe, by very influential people.
00:41:11.060 And somebody said to me, it's time for a civil war.
00:41:14.220 And I I said, do you even know what that means?
00:41:17.560 Do you know what that means?
00:41:19.900 And who are your allies?
00:41:23.080 Well, we've got a lot of people in America.
00:41:25.080 No, no.
00:41:25.340 Forget about that.
00:41:26.900 Who are your allies?
00:41:28.820 Who do you know that has power and money? 0.99
00:41:32.620 A nation state that will actually say, hey, hey, hey.
00:41:37.280 Fifty percent of the population stood up recently.
00:41:41.300 Fifty percent of the population of Hong Kong may have been more than 50 percent.
00:41:45.580 And it was at least 50 percent.
00:41:47.280 The minute America turned inward and started looking at what was happening with coronavirus, China marched in and ended it, ended it. 0.97
00:41:56.600 We've lost Hong Kong forever because nobody cared. 0.85
00:42:02.460 Nobody was standing with 50 percent of the population.
00:42:06.640 What chance do we stand in a in a civil war?
00:42:11.540 We have no friends or allies.
00:42:15.140 It's all anti-America or anti-freedom or big globalization.
00:42:21.000 There's no one out there.
00:42:26.280 It I mean, I just look at the at any suggestion of violent overthrow of government or whatever.
00:42:36.580 And I always want to say, well, what's your end game?
00:42:39.300 Yeah.
00:42:39.500 Do you really do you really think that at the end of that, if you break it, do you really think that good guys are going to show up?
00:42:46.840 Angels are going to show up and govern us benignly.
00:42:51.120 It it there's there's there's just no example for how this model works.
00:42:55.200 And again, it's against our values.
00:42:56.720 Right.
00:42:57.280 It fundamentally violates that.
00:42:59.360 But, you know, there is a.
00:43:01.180 Go ahead.
00:43:01.940 No, no, go ahead.
00:43:02.580 Now, I've been thinking about this in the context of not just technology, but emergent workarounds to broken government systems.
00:43:13.320 And a great example of this is how parents are hacking the education system, having discovered is sort of like it's sort of like they took the red Morpheus, gave them the red pill.
00:43:24.800 And they discovered that is not a public education system.
00:43:29.760 It's a government run education system that cares a lot more about education bureaucrats than it ever cared about your kids. 0.98
00:43:36.580 And they're they're learning the hard way and they're going through the curriculums, perhaps for the first time, discovering that this system is no damn good.
00:43:47.000 And I forget what the data is, but but so many parents have left the public system and pursuing alternatives to that.
00:43:55.180 But to me, the the the revolution, if you will, is that individual action.
00:44:01.040 If we if we've been trying to fix the education system from the top down and it just gets stronger and stronger, why don't we do it one household at a time?
00:44:10.980 And you could apply that same logic to to charity.
00:44:15.040 Like if you really want to dismantle the welfare state, take care of we've done this, too.
00:44:20.080 Right.
00:44:20.580 Yep.
00:44:20.920 Go help. 0.81
00:44:21.720 Go help a neighbor.
00:44:22.720 Yeah.
00:44:22.920 And, you know, the guy from Barstool Politics is doing that.
00:44:26.260 Yep.
00:44:27.080 And I'm sure like thousands and thousands of people that don't have his big platform are doing the same thing.
00:44:32.200 We're doing it.
00:44:33.060 Mercury One is doing it.
00:44:35.060 My charity.
00:44:35.700 We set charity up.
00:44:37.740 Mercury One was about if you want smaller government, you have to do more, you know, because it's your problem.
00:44:49.720 It's not Washington's problem.
00:44:51.560 It's the problem that you have in your own community.
00:44:54.580 So let's fix it ourselves.
00:44:57.040 And it brings me to.
00:45:01.180 A possible idea to shoot for, and I guess that's the the 10th Amendment, the states.
00:45:09.580 You know, the thought that bothers me talk of secession because, yeah, I don't want to secede from the United States.
00:45:19.920 They do.
00:45:20.740 They should leave.
00:45:22.140 If you can't get back to the things that are in our national archives that are protected behind glass, then you're in the wrong country or something because these are our principles.
00:45:32.860 And it does no good to to talk about that, even though I don't think we have much in common anymore.
00:45:43.580 We have to reunite common ideas and common sense back to all of us, both sides, all sides before we can come back together.
00:45:54.740 But I worry about what might be coming down the tracks with, you know, an unbridled pack of of war horses that are moving this critical theory and Marxism and everything else down the road.
00:46:10.340 Is there something to be said for a movement that is in your local and state and that's it?
00:46:20.320 Forget about the federal government.
00:46:22.320 I mean, you know, keep your eye on it, et cetera, et cetera.
00:46:24.260 And do what you have to do.
00:46:25.380 But you put your energy in local and state and you make your state a constitution safe zone.
00:46:34.900 You know, it's a sanctuary state for the constitution.
00:46:38.020 If they're passing something there, I don't really care.
00:46:41.420 California, others, you can do that if you want.
00:46:44.080 We're not.
00:46:45.300 We're not.
00:46:46.780 What do you think of that?
00:46:48.520 So like the L word, localism is a word that somewhere along the way we gave up.
00:46:55.960 You know, we give up words like community and justice and and localism and democracy.
00:47:01.720 And from my perspective, those are our words, localism, bottom up, neighbor helping neighbor, the unimaginable power when free people come together and decide to do something for the common good.
00:47:14.380 That is ours.
00:47:16.020 That is our model.
00:47:17.240 That's how we think the world works.
00:47:19.420 That's how we know good things happen.
00:47:21.320 And so it it's sort of going back to sort of the the the corruption of trying to elect someone to solve all of our problems.
00:47:30.280 That's not our model.
00:47:31.860 Our model is local.
00:47:34.160 So I think absolutely it has to be you have to focus on your community and focus on your states and maybe worry a lot less about what Washington, D.C. is up to.
00:47:44.620 I know what they're doing to us.
00:47:46.000 I know what they're going to do to us.
00:47:48.140 But if you work from the bottom up, you create a model for social change that would attract more people to it.
00:47:56.020 I'm I'm part of an organization called the Free State Project.
00:48:00.880 I don't know if you know what this is.
00:48:02.100 No.
00:48:03.220 Libertarians are moving to New Hampshire.
00:48:04.920 They're actually pledging and picking up their families and moving to New Hampshire because they want to make New Hampshire that place where they can live freely.
00:48:15.660 And I think their license plate even says something about it.
00:48:18.440 It does.
00:48:19.460 It does.
00:48:20.020 But not a lot of people up in the north.
00:48:22.040 I mean, I heard a what was it?
00:48:24.180 Maybe it was in White Christmas with Bing Crosby, you know, that movie.
00:48:27.780 And they said something about going up to Vermont and, you know, well, you don't want to be a Democrat up there.
00:48:37.340 It was some joke about how there were no Democrats up there.
00:48:40.360 And I thought, wow, things have changed quite a bit.
00:48:44.920 You know, they that's not exactly a live free or die area, is it?
00:48:51.380 Yeah.
00:48:51.700 Now.
00:48:52.000 Well, you have I mean, New Hampshire's biggest problem is Boston and people fleeing Boston.
00:48:57.240 Yeah.
00:48:58.140 It's just as Vermont's biggest problem was people fleeing New York and then sending Bernie Sanders over, which, from my perspective, didn't work that well out for Vermont.
00:49:07.980 But, you know, the idea was it's a small state and the ethos there left or right.
00:49:14.940 I don't know what you call it, but there's there's an ethos of self-reliance, which, again, is a very American value.
00:49:20.920 I was going to say that's American.
00:49:21.960 That's not left or right.
00:49:22.840 That's American.
00:49:24.220 Yeah.
00:49:24.420 And it's it's it's also disappearing.
00:49:26.900 Right.
00:49:27.240 Mm hmm.
00:49:27.540 Self-responsibility and self-reliance.
00:49:30.380 But I'm for thousands of experiments like that.
00:49:34.620 Me too.
00:49:35.440 And that's that's one of them.
00:49:38.040 I'm not against political experiments.
00:49:40.940 I spent a good part of my life trying to make the Republican Party pro-liberty.
00:49:45.500 Um, I think it was a noble experiment that that hasn't paid off for me personally, where I sit today.
00:49:54.280 Um, but but but getting back to this this culture stuff, um, the storytelling and the listening and the emotional appeal.
00:50:03.520 I'm an economist who came to this very painful realization late in life that very few people think about things in the context of opportunity cost the way I do.
00:50:14.560 And I drive my wife crazy with the way I think about the world.
00:50:17.780 Um, but most people don't think about that.
00:50:19.680 They consume things through their emotions and they process the way they interpret events through their emotions.
00:50:26.400 So let me present a problem that you and I have dealt with for 20 years.
00:50:30.720 Um, liberals get that the left understands that inside and out.
00:50:38.220 It's I, I, I like the analogy of we need each other because if, if you can relate to the theater, a bunch of conservatives on stage, that theater sucks.
00:50:52.720 Okay.
00:50:53.000 There's no art in our soul, generally speaking, you know, um, but you also don't want to be a
00:51:00.700 You don't want a bunch of liberals in the back office. 0.98
00:51:04.840 You don't want them running things.
00:51:07.260 You, you need some responsibility on that.
00:51:10.780 We need each other.
00:51:12.020 We need each other.
00:51:13.580 Um, and conservatives, we, we have been looking to appeal.
00:51:20.020 You and I and others have been looking to appeal to people's hearts.
00:51:23.380 Andrew Breitbart was right on this, but where is the money?
00:51:27.880 The left will spend money like crazy.
00:51:33.560 We, we don't get our billionaires together and they don't, they don't seem to believe in it so much that they're willing to spend.
00:51:42.240 They're willing to just put the money on the line.
00:51:44.960 I know it's a, you know, warm and fuzzy, squishy thing.
00:51:49.700 That's never going to pay off in politics or at least not for a very long time.
00:51:55.440 Where are those people on the right?
00:51:57.900 Well, it's, it's funny you ask that because my day job is trying to find those people to fund what we do at free the people.
00:52:07.040 And, and in their defense, um, they probably funded a lot of those ham-fisted, uh, conservative projects that weren't art at all.
00:52:18.280 They were just, um, human action applied to a theater.
00:52:22.800 Yeah.
00:52:23.420 And that's, that's not how it works.
00:52:25.020 Right.
00:52:25.140 You start, you start with a story and you start with the art and, and, and those values shouldn't be beating you overhead.
00:52:31.860 So, so our side sucks.
00:52:33.880 We've, we've established that and we've probably, you know, my investors have spent lots of money over the years investing in, in very disappointing projects.
00:52:43.260 So it's kind of a chicken and an egg thing, but the thing that I find most, um, exciting when I go speak to a group of young people, Terry and I now give these, my wife, Terry and I give these joint speeches called love, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which is a series of personal stories about our life.
00:53:00.880 And, and, and you go speak at young Americans for liberty or students for liberty, you go speak across the globe.
00:53:07.820 We, we, we just spoke to 1200 kids in the country of Georgia right before the lockdowns on fire and, and they are artists and videographers and storytellers and novelists and technologists.
00:53:22.380 They actually have all of the skillsets we need to create a culturally vibrant movement.
00:53:27.840 Whereas old guys like me, you know, I read a bunch of books and I don't necessarily have the skillset to do that stuff, but we've been able to hire a lot of young people that do.
00:53:38.380 So part of it's generational, part of it is proving to investors that we don't suck.
00:53:43.600 And that's going to be a, we got to dig out of that hole because there have been attempts and they haven't been that great.
00:53:49.300 Part of this is, um, you know, I think a lot of behavioral scientists because they, you know, uh, Bernays, you know, the history of Bernays, that guy changed the world, um, advertising until world war II was called propaganda.
00:54:10.980 It was known as propaganda.
00:54:13.180 Then propaganda got a bad name because of Goebbels, um, as it should have. 0.95
00:54:19.220 Um, but now we're so deep in behavioral scientists and, and we know everything that will turn every button and switch.
00:54:28.700 And the left employs these people, the left, um, scoops them up, listens, plans, plots.
00:54:38.160 We're sitting here saying, well, how come violence, you know, doesn't work?
00:54:45.020 They don't have to have that conversation because they have the, the biggest minds in America working with them knowing don't do that.
00:54:55.460 Don't say that. Move this direction. Here's how you connect with people emotionally.
00:55:00.580 We got nothing. We got nothing.
00:55:03.100 How do we bridge that gap in this high tech world that is happening so fast?
00:55:10.180 How do we bridge that gap?
00:55:13.140 Do you remember, um, we're in Las Vegas and you and Penn Jillette and I had a conversation for my show and, and we kind of asked him the same question.
00:55:24.460 And I think I said something like, how do we, how do we persuade people that Liberty is better?
00:55:29.760 And he sort of dressed me down and in, in, in a way that only he could, um, because he, he argued that our job is not to convince people that we're right.
00:55:39.880 And they're wrong. Um, our job has to be, um, and I, I don't know how he said this, but the way I would say it is we need to build it.
00:55:50.280 And they will come live those values, create art that reflects those values and don't be people over the head over it.
00:55:59.280 Don't suggest that they're not smart enough to figure out how smart you are.
00:56:03.540 Um, and that is a very different strategy than the, the, the one you're describing the propaganda strategy, how to, how to manipulate people's emotions.
00:56:12.300 And I don't want, I'm not saying, no, wait, wait, wait, I'm not saying that we should manipulate people's emotions, but we don't have, they are armed to the teeth with this machine.
00:56:25.300 And the thing I love about libertarianism and at the same time, I'm so frustrated with libertarianism is nobody wants to work together.
00:56:37.420 They got their thing. You do your thing. That's great. And that's good unless you're in war and we are in war for freedom right now.
00:56:46.120 Yeah. Well, it's the, so the, the libertarian movement is still a cadre movement from my perspective and it's, it's populated by people with very strong opinions and, and that sort of instinct not to work together.
00:57:00.120 But getting back to that next generation of young people, they gather, they cooperate, they get the idea that, um, free individuals can come together and create something bigger than they could have done by themselves.
00:57:16.120 Right.
00:57:17.120 And to me, it's a, it's a, these are growing pains. And this is why I am involved in the libertarian party right now, because I think, I think there is an opportunity to do something bigger that, that shows people like you remember those, those original marches and the, the march on 912, 2000, the first one, but, but there were several, but, um, there is nothing like the energy.
00:57:47.120 Of a million people showing up with the same values.
00:57:50.120 Yep.
00:57:51.120 Um, you can't do that reading Atlas Shrugged.
00:57:54.540 No, it's a different thing.
00:57:56.560 And so we, we gotta, we gotta get people to understand that working together is, is a real, um, there's more, there's more energy and more satisfaction doing that.
00:58:08.220 Anybody can be pure.
00:58:09.840 And if we have to be pure alone, that's fine.
00:58:11.740 But the, but the opportunity, and, and again, getting back to what I think Penn was trying to say is just do it.
00:58:19.320 Just, just lead by example and show people what is possible.
00:58:26.540 And that, that doesn't, that's probably the same with investors, right?
00:58:30.320 You gotta, you gotta create a product and show that it's viable before you're going to get people to say, you know what?
00:58:35.900 That, that's a smart strategy.
00:58:37.740 I'm going to invest in that.
00:58:41.400 So Matt, let me, um, let me take you now to what you think is coming our way.
00:58:48.860 Prepare us mentally for what you think.
00:58:52.200 You live in Washington, DC.
00:58:53.400 You've been watching this nightmare circus happen for a long time, up close and personal.
00:58:59.640 Um, is it as bad as I think it's going to be?
00:59:05.260 Are they, they, I, I really believe that they mean what they say.
00:59:10.560 Um, you know, I've been, I've been called a crazy man for some of the things that I've said were coming and they turn out to be right only because I take people at their word.
00:59:22.700 When they say crazy things and they have power, I take them at their word and it ends up usually that they're telling the truth.
00:59:33.080 Are they going to do these things?
00:59:36.720 Yes.
00:59:37.480 And they, they have a weapon that they've never had before.
00:59:41.540 They finally figured out how to appeal to our fear.
00:59:45.660 And I'm talking to one thing I haven't talked about this entire hour is the never ending lockdowns and the stripping of our humanity and the stripping of our ability to feed our families and how that fed into everything that happened yesterday.
01:00:00.140 We haven't even discussed that, but they have found a weapon.
01:00:05.660 Fear is their weapon to use against us.
01:00:10.040 And, uh, Joe Biden has said, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
01:00:14.060 Oh yeah.
01:00:14.740 No, a winter of discontent is what I think he, he was describing a cold, bleak winter was one of his, his phrases.
01:00:24.280 So, um, to me, just on a practical level, um, breaking through that narrative that somehow you have to, um, attack your neighbor.
01:00:37.460 All these videos I see of, of people attacking other people because they're not behaving the way that they should, they believe they should behave.
01:00:45.520 Um, that is toxic.
01:00:47.280 And it, it probably reminds you of the onset of, of various authoritarian regimes.
01:00:54.480 So we got to push back.
01:00:57.840 We got to push back with everything we have.
01:00:59.760 And here's a great example.
01:01:00.660 There was a, there was a bar owner in New York city.
01:01:04.880 Um, and I don't, there's so many of these stories, but, but I hope I get this one right.
01:01:09.580 Who, um, refused to shut down and come up, came up with clever ways to avoid the mandates of Cuomo and, and the communist mayor of New York.
01:01:19.160 And they came and they arrested him and the entire neighborhood showed up and, and peacefully protested in his behalf.
01:01:27.480 But as I recall, the end of that story was he hit a cop with a car.
01:01:31.540 So he lost the entire narrative.
01:01:34.460 Um, as frustrated as we are, as angry as we are, the people are shutting down our businesses are taking away our livelihoods are stripping us of our liberties.
01:01:42.840 Um, we're going to have to practice civil disobedience in ways that galvanizes the rest of the American public that is afraid of the virus.
01:01:53.640 Um, they're afraid that they don't know what's happening, but they also know that they can't live forever with the economy locked down and controlled by the government and, and government allocating resources and deciding that this industry makes this or not makes this.
01:02:08.740 Um, that to me is an opportunity, but we got to do it right.
01:02:12.840 Um, so what do you suggest those people do there in California?
01:02:18.620 I'm really heartened by what's happening in California because people I disagree with and who would not, you know, be welcoming to a phone call from me saying, Hey, good job.
01:02:29.520 Congratulations.
01:02:30.980 Those people who have always seemingly voted a different way are now seeing, wait a minute, this is not what I thought it was going to be.
01:02:40.420 Um, and they are standing up against the machine, peaceful, uh, most of it, uh, if not in, in California, in California, I think mainly all of it.
01:02:51.120 I don't think I've heard a violent story out of California from somebody who was in experiencing lockdown and you have the biggest recall movement in the history of America happening right now.
01:03:01.440 Um, yeah, that's, to me, that's exactly what you do.
01:03:07.300 Um, this is to, to borrow a word, this is the resistance and, um, it's, it's a chicken and an egg thing.
01:03:15.360 I understand why a gym owner or a nightclub owner or a restaurant owner puts their entire lives at risk when they defy the authorities, they lose their liquor license, they get shut down, they get hauled into court.
01:03:30.960 Um, the only thing that protects them is a bunch of customers peacefully showing up and supporting them.
01:03:38.240 And when they lose their license, showing up in the streets and defending them, um, we could go back to the civil rights movement and, and look at some of those tactics.
01:03:49.280 Um, you know, go, go to the diner, sit down, have a cup of coffee.
01:03:54.460 Um, if the police pull out the fire hoses, don't resist.
01:04:01.660 It's, it's hard to say that.
01:04:03.600 Well, it's easy to say it.
01:04:04.780 It's hard to do it.
01:04:06.640 Um, but you, by the way, you can't do it alone.
01:04:09.360 If, if they, if they divide and separate us, they'll just take us down one at a time. 0.50
01:04:13.700 The strength is in numbers and this gets to the sort of strength of community and the feeling that we had on that day in 2009 when we were not alone.
01:04:25.280 Um, there's, there's, there's a safety in that.
01:04:27.960 There's a sense that you can make progress.
01:04:30.320 Um, but, but we have to resist and, and, and I, I love what I've seen in California, but honestly, I'm seeing other countries do it better than us.
01:04:38.800 And I never thought that America would be sort of reticent in defending their liberties like I've seen over the last year.
01:04:46.040 Uh, Matt, I hope that we can spend more time, uh, together in the next coming years because I, uh, I think that, um, it's important to share what we have learned and speak again to a lot of the people that were with us at the first time who thought,
01:05:11.280 uh, I, I mean, it makes no difference.
01:05:14.000 It did.
01:05:14.980 Did you read Obama's book?
01:05:16.420 Did you see what he said about the tea party and how, Oh, you have to read it.
01:05:21.820 He, uh, in fact, it's, it's actually quoted in some of the Obama, you know, action committee or whatever he's got going on.
01:05:32.740 It's quoted that, uh, what happened to him and how he was thwarted and how he couldn't get things shoved through really happened because of a very effective tea party.
01:05:48.800 Now they certainly weren't telling us that then, but here he is 10 years later going, the tea party was extraordinarily effective and modeling what they're doing off of us.
01:06:02.740 Yeah.
01:06:03.380 That's heartening.
01:06:05.300 Yeah.
01:06:07.080 But the, and, and you made this point early on the, the, the right strategy for the future is not to re-imagine that glorious past.
01:06:18.220 The world has changed.
01:06:19.620 We've all changed.
01:06:20.760 And, and we, we, frankly, we have better tools now than we had back then.
01:06:24.520 So we need to think more expansively.
01:06:26.600 I mean, I mean that there, we have, I still have an audience that was there and they're tired and they, they, I think they have been convinced that they can't make a difference.
01:06:41.180 And we've learned a lot, we've gone through a lot and we need to, uh, find that spirit of hope and optimism that we had at one point and not this spirit of despair.
01:06:57.620 It's over and the only answer is violence.
01:07:01.540 It's not.
01:07:02.760 Yeah.
01:07:03.500 So it's, it's not over.
01:07:05.280 I, even today I'm an optimist and today would, today would be the worst day for me to say that because I know the power of free people.
01:07:15.380 I know we have an ability to figure things out.
01:07:19.580 We have ability to bounce back every time we take a hit.
01:07:25.140 And that is the story of America.
01:07:29.520 And I, I point to the, the day that I discovered that the tea party existed was the day that Americans mobilized and shut down the wall street bailout that Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner, they were, they held hands on the house floor and they say, we're going to do this.
01:07:49.360 And the American people discovering this, this new tool called technology, shut it down.
01:07:56.440 And that day I knew something was different.
01:07:59.260 Um, today our, our ability to know and do things and to organize is a thousand times better than it was then.
01:08:09.420 Oh yeah.
01:08:10.520 So, so we can't do the same thing.
01:08:12.660 We have to do something else.
01:08:14.220 Oh yeah.
01:08:14.340 And, and, and part of that is, is to tell that story and work from the bottom up.
01:08:19.420 Imagine if millions and millions of people worked from the bottom up to take over their communities, to take over their school systems, to take over, um, their County councils or whatever it is.
01:08:29.960 I don't want it to be too political, but take, take over, just take over control of their own life.
01:08:35.280 Just take control of your own life and destiny.
01:08:38.820 Just that stop listening to what these people are telling.
01:08:44.340 Telling you to do.
01:08:45.240 I can't, I mean, I cannot believe you could have told me a year ago that there's no way, there's no way, uh, we're going to be free, uh, with our business.
01:08:57.560 And, and we're, we're, we're going to be wearing a mask for a year and they're going to talk about maybe two years.
01:09:04.540 And we're going to talk about mandatory vaccinations against something that was 99.6% non-lethal.
01:09:14.820 I would have said, yeah, I would have said, you're crazy.
01:09:17.280 And we've just rushed to, I think at first to try to be decent people.
01:09:24.000 We don't want to kill people.
01:09:25.120 We don't know what we're dealing with.
01:09:26.200 Let's just do the right thing.
01:09:28.580 You know, four weeks later, I can't believe we're still doing it.
01:09:32.820 And now here we are almost a year into it.
01:09:35.840 It's astonishing.
01:09:36.880 I've never seen anything like it and it, it caught me flat footed.
01:09:43.800 It caught me by surprise.
01:09:45.940 And I'm hoping that the brave people that start the counter revolution will give the rest of us the courage to join them.
01:09:56.180 I agree.
01:09:56.620 Cause that's the only way out of this.
01:09:57.820 It's the only way out of any mess that, that our politician, our political class creates for us.
01:10:03.020 We got to join together and resist tyranny, Matt.
01:10:07.900 Thank you.
01:10:08.740 Thanks Glenn.
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