The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 93 ｜ Why Eric Weinstein Is Finally Talking to Glenn Beck ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Today's guest puts the intellectual into the intellectual dark web, literally his brother and he are the ones that actually started and coined that term, the intellectual dark web.

00:00:14.880 But also because he has a Ph.D. in mathematical physics from Harvard, he came up with a theory in physics that many people now compare him to Einstein because of that theory.

00:00:28.200 This is a podcast that I have looked forward to for a very long time, literally probably two years.

00:00:34.860 He was on a very short list at the very beginning of this podcast, and I've tried to get him and his brother over and over and over again.

00:00:41.840 I continually have received a no, and that's one of the things I have to ask him right off the bat.

00:00:48.600 You know how I feel about political outlooks and differences in political outlooks.

00:00:53.840 I don't think it's a weakness. I think it's a strength, and I think America needs to get back to being able to have a conversation with people who don't agree.

00:01:04.020 We learn so much from each other when we do that.

00:01:08.060 You, I think, are going to hear and learn and question and disagree or perhaps really agree like very few podcasts will push you to.

00:01:20.440 You're going to learn an awful lot.

00:01:23.640 Today's podcast, Eric Weinstein.

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00:03:23.380 Eric, I think I've tried to have you on this podcast.

00:03:39.500 Well, I mean, you were part of the original short list of maybe eight, ten names that I wanted to talk to.

00:03:45.160 And we've always been told no, and I'm wondering why and why now, trying to have conversations with people that we clearly don't agree on an awful lot,

00:03:59.140 but we have some principles in place that allow us to have decent conversations.

00:04:04.620 Why the change now?

00:04:06.760 Well, two things, and I appreciate you guys having me over.

00:04:09.500 And it's absolutely true that you have been trying and I have been avoiding.

00:04:14.720 No, let's just do this.

00:04:16.640 This is my chance to explain it to you.

00:04:18.340 So there are two answers.

00:04:19.640 Your question, rather, has a two-part answer.

00:04:22.000 Okay.

00:04:22.960 The first part is why now?

00:04:24.560 Because we're trifling with the dissolution of our national culture.

00:04:31.040 And our national culture is what animates the country.

00:04:34.540 If we lose the culture, the documents will not save us.

00:04:37.940 Okay.

00:04:38.540 Let's be very clear about that.

00:04:40.060 So I have a very strongly strategic perspective, which is that you save things up for an emergency.

00:04:48.720 Well, we're there now.

00:04:49.980 Next point.

00:04:51.300 The real reason that I don't casually hop on over to talk has to do with a strategy that's being employed to make sure that we cannot come together.

00:05:00.960 And let me explain the strategy.

00:05:02.320 Right now, conservative and center-right affiliated media are the only ones who will reach out to talk to their critics.

00:05:11.500 So when Fox asks me on, I always make the same condition, which is that I get to call Fox a propaganda network.

00:05:18.100 And they say, sure.

00:05:20.160 I love it.

00:05:21.260 You want to call us a conservative right-wing propaganda network, which is in large measure how I've seen them over the years, although I do think that they may be changing a bit.

00:05:28.460 Then their point is they're not scared of that.

00:05:32.560 The real problem has to do with the center-left media, which still controls, in some sense, the official version of events for the country and the affiliated institutions, universities, the party, what have you.

00:05:44.340 And their game is very different.

00:05:46.340 So they used to talk to me all the time.

00:05:48.340 I would be invited on to the news hour, for example, at PBS, or I would be invited on to NPR, or I would be asked to supply information to the New York Times, Washington Post.

00:06:00.140 That all changed maybe around eight years ago.

00:06:03.820 And the reason for that is that what they've done is to make a situation – sorry, there's a little bit of feedback again.

00:06:15.000 The problem that we're facing is that they've figured out that if they will all plug their ears and just say la, la, la, la, and pretend that their critics don't exist on the left-hand side of the aisle, that long-form podcasting doesn't exist.

00:06:29.260 If they can pretend that everyone who disagrees with them is alt-right, far-right, neo-Nazi, et cetera, et cetera, then they can avoid the deep criticism that the people on the left and progressives would be leveling at the terrible change in the business model of the Democratic Party, its affiliated media, and educational institutions.

00:06:50.900 And so every time I go on a conservative program, as I did with Ted Cruz, as I have with Greg Gutfeld, as Tucker Carlson has invited me on and declined, the key problem is that they're counting on the idea that they can say, Eric only appears on right-wing media, ergo Eric is right-wing, QED, we don't have to listen to him.

00:07:13.400 But you're not right-wing.

00:07:15.300 Far from it.

00:07:16.160 I've never voted Republican.

00:07:17.260 But my point is that it's an active program to make sure that anyone who's invited by only right-wing media and accepts only right-of-center media, that person can be portrayed as if they were conservative.

00:07:34.800 So every time I appear on conservative-affiliated media because NPR, MSNBC, CNN would never dare have me on,

00:07:45.660 because I'm a critic from their side of the aisle, they have the increased ability to pretend that I am conservative because they can say, well, you only appear, let's say, if I did it on Tucker Carlson, Fox, Breitbart, Daily Caller, et cetera, et cetera.

00:08:00.920 And so that's why, at some level, it's not personal to you.

00:08:04.340 It's that I understand their strategy for trying to make sure that they never have to listen to anything I have to say.

00:08:09.540 And right now, it's worth spending.

00:08:13.040 I did the same thing.

00:08:14.620 I mean, I tried to reach out to the left for a very long time, you know, the left outlets, and said, look, let's just have a conversation.

00:08:26.140 We're not going to agree with each other.

00:08:27.220 Let's have a conversation.

00:08:28.480 And they weren't interested.

00:08:30.500 Some of them were.

00:08:31.400 But I had to balance that, too, because it didn't my audience would be like, wait, are you selling out?

00:08:38.240 Are you all of a sudden you're you're on the left?

00:08:41.440 No, I just think we should talk to each other.

00:08:44.120 And I don't know when that happened, where where we couldn't go our separate ways.

00:08:51.320 Well, let me rephrase this.

00:08:52.760 I have a sneaking suspicion it came at a time, and I don't know when, where we stopped believing in the Bill of Rights.

00:09:02.720 Because that is our unum.

00:09:05.460 I believe all men are created equal.

00:09:07.140 They have a right to, you know, they have a right to speak out.

00:09:10.260 They have a right to a free press.

00:09:11.640 They have a right to religion or no religion. 0.89

00:09:14.200 We lost those Bill of Rights as our cornerstone.

00:09:19.440 And so we can't agree on anything anymore.

00:09:22.760 Well, I think that I think that that's in a weird way, true and not true.

00:09:29.120 OK.

00:09:30.600 There is a story here that wends its way from 1945 into the present, which would be sort of the upgraded secret history of modern America that I think nobody is really told, which is why everything is falling apart.

00:09:44.640 And yet nobody even seems to be looking for the explanation of how we moved so quickly into madness on both left and right.

00:09:52.560 And that has to do with economics, geopolitics.

00:09:55.880 I think I've been one of the only people I know even looking to tell a relatively simple story with a through line.

00:10:02.900 I think what you're talking about really happens after, strangely, the 2010 Colorado midterm Senate elections, which is the latest chapter.

00:10:13.540 I mean, if you think about this in terms of chapters, I can break it down from you for you.

00:10:17.560 But, you know, the problem is, is that this isn't a story that I think most people know.

00:10:21.600 And instead, they're content to be subservient to this story because they don't know it and they are actors in it.

00:10:28.900 So can you take us back to wherever you need to?

00:10:32.200 You think this storyline starts?

00:10:33.780 Explain the world.

00:10:35.500 How did we get here?

00:10:37.100 All right.

00:10:38.940 The central concept that we're going to go through is going to be called an ego or embedded growth obligation.

00:10:47.220 So that is the central unifying idea that I have as to why so much has changed so seriously.

00:10:55.440 But in order to get there, let's begin very quickly in 1945 and hit the story if we have the space and tell it.

00:11:05.640 In 1945, the country probably was at its most coherent.

00:11:10.920 We had to win a war.

00:11:12.220 Government definitely existed.

00:11:13.880 We were technologically capable.

00:11:15.240 We turned a peacetime army into an incredible fighting force.

00:11:20.380 Then what happened was that we entered a different era where we had incredible growth.

00:11:28.800 It was very consistent.

00:11:30.560 It was technologically led.

00:11:32.100 It was broadly distributed.

00:11:34.320 And this technologically led growth became an expectation between, I would say, 1945 and it lasted probably until about 1971 through 73.

00:11:43.800 During this period, a guy named Derek DeSola Price, who was at Yale, wrote an incredible book called Science Since Babylon and gave some lectures in which he pointed out that all technological progress was on an exponential curve.

00:11:59.220 If you plotted any indicator, scientific and technological progress was moving ahead so that pretty soon every man, woman, child on earth would have two PhDs in order for the trend to continue.

00:12:12.400 And he said, therefore, that the trend cannot continue.

00:12:14.640 And I believe that the Derek DeSola Price breaking of that trend happens in the late 60s, early 70s, and the growth pattern of the United States changes.

00:12:24.700 So what happens if you look at median male income, for example, and GDP per capita, they're in lockstep from 1945 until about 71 through 73.

00:12:36.820 Median male income flatlines.

00:12:40.260 Growth continues because of, in some sense, how we account for growth.

00:12:45.120 And, in effect, Derek DeSola Price's prediction, I believe, came true.

00:12:50.980 We just didn't understand what the prediction was.

00:12:52.660 We never heard of the guy.

00:12:53.780 We didn't put it together.

00:12:55.680 That meant that for several years in the 70s, we were lost.

00:12:59.140 We started exploring ourselves what was wrong.

00:13:01.960 We impeached Nixon.

00:13:03.000 We had the Church and Pike committees.

00:13:05.020 We changed the structure, university immigration, blah, blah, blah, until Ronald Reagan comes in in 1980.

00:13:10.620 So, wait, but before we get into the 80s, let me make sure I understand the 70s.

00:13:19.060 You said that we didn't really understand Derek.

00:13:23.000 I'm sorry, what was his last name?

00:13:25.260 Derek DeSola Price.

00:13:26.900 Okay.

00:13:27.260 That we didn't understand his theory.

00:13:30.460 So I'd like you to explain what he was saying a little bit clearer.

00:13:34.180 And does it also, this theory, include things like, you know, we had the Great Society, which promised war and an end to poverty, which led us to the end of the gold standard and the switching with Bretton Woods and promising the world that we'll buy their stuff.

00:14:00.240 I mean, there was a huge change there.

00:14:02.180 Dual incomes became, you know, a thing. 1.00

00:14:06.160 We added women into the workforce, really, for the first time.

00:14:09.820 So there was this huge change here.

00:14:12.500 Does that play a role with prices theory?

00:14:16.740 Well, this is my contention.

00:14:18.960 I believe that Derek DeSola Price is somewhat north of things like the change in the gold standard.

00:14:24.880 That if, in fact, we had been growing at an incredible rate, if, in fact, things were getting better and better and that more people educated led to more technology, we could accommodate not only women into the workforce, which we'd been lousy on before this, but other underrepresented communities.

00:14:46.000 The problem is that there's so many distractions that nobody's trying to figure out why did so much happen between 1971 and 73.

00:14:53.800 So every time you have a conversation, somebody will say, I think it's the pill.

00:14:57.020 I think that, you know, it's the gold standard.

00:14:59.520 I think it's the Arab oil shock.

00:15:00.980 I think that it's the Nixon administration.

00:15:03.820 Forget all that for the moment.

00:15:04.940 Here's a different theory you haven't heard, so it's at least worthy of your time.

00:15:09.540 In 1968, for example, we found out that there was quark substructure in every proton and neutron.

00:15:15.900 It has no industrial applications.

00:15:18.160 We kept progressing scientifically, but the ability to plow certain sorts of discoveries back into technologies and creating new industries and all these things, very few things continued from that time.

00:15:32.900 Now, two huge exceptions have been communications and semiconductor technology.

00:15:38.080 So everything from the World Wide Web and the way in which you and I are speaking to each other continued.

00:15:43.860 There's, you know, isolated things that happen, maybe fracking.

00:15:46.800 But in general, part of the problem is this idea of the embedded growth obligation or ego.

00:15:53.320 If you believe that 1945 to 1971, 73 is normal, you built your organization with the idea that it would always grow.

00:16:04.140 And what you did, you might, like, work people very hard at the beginning and promise them a career and a future as a reward for their hard work.

00:16:12.960 You didn't understand that if growth ever ran out, that would become a Ponzi scheme.

00:16:17.100 Right.

00:16:17.120 So where we are now is, is that we're in a situation in which Derek DeSola Price pointed out that exponentials can't continue.

00:16:26.140 And if the technology, if the science led the technology and the technology led to the economic growth and everything was on an exponential curve, and that was based on some ideas of how you plow the fruits of your labor back into your system, that was always going to change and shift.

00:16:42.660 And that change and shift happened in the, like, if you, if you subtract off the screens in your room, how can you tell you're not in 1971 through 73?

00:16:52.520 You know, it's very tough for most of us because most of, mostly what happened was, is that semiconductors and communication kept going and the rest of society didn't, didn't move to the Jetsons.

00:17:02.100 That caused this problem where you have this strange graph between median male income and GDP, where men can no longer expect that their career trajectories will grow.

00:17:16.440 So all of us look back to people from before this time and say, wow, how did, how did a paper route and some student loans, which were quickly paid off, lead to a second home in your twenties, if you, in your thirties, if you just worked hard?

00:17:27.820 I don't know how to do that stuff. I just bought my first home in my fifties. I think I bought one car my entire life. I have a PhD from Harvard. Something really broke down in a very serious way.

00:17:40.360 And, you know, I think what, what people don't understand is, is that this thing happened and, you know, maybe a third of economists should be trying to figure out what happened between 1971 and 73.

00:17:53.140 We should all be talking about Derek de Sola Price and the original singularity. In fact, nobody seems to know about it.

00:17:58.460 So we start this problem of the egos. Every organization and institution has effectively an embedded growth obligation. How fast does it have to grow in order for it to keep from becoming sociopathic?

00:18:14.000 Because when it becomes a Ponzi scheme, it will have to be headed by somebody who was willing to lie to new entrants about the nature of that scheme.

00:18:22.340 Right now we've just elected, for example, a 78 year old president, um, eight years older than the oldest president ever elected. Uh, almost no commentary from it. Um, you know, Nancy Pelosi, what Ann Feinstein was conceived during the Hoover administration.

00:18:39.500 Mitch McConnell, uh, is not a spring chicken, uh, whatever this leadership class in the 1940s, it's an illusion. They are not a leadership class. They are peacetime kleptocrats.

00:18:49.520 And the reason that peacetime kleptocracy is so important is because we are a high growth country that hit our stall speed. 0.97

00:18:56.240 And like any plane, you can't keep a fixed wing aircraft in the sky if it's not traveling at an appreciable speed relative to the air mass.

00:19:04.780 So that's what is the central idea of how we started falling apart. We were a rich family, if you will, with a family business that had built up a tremendous amount of wealth in the family business.

00:19:17.300 The engine was sputtering. So what do most rich families do when you have such a situation? The first thing they do is they try to fix the business. They try to plow it back in. And I believe that probably Ronald Reagan and his cohort had this idea that they were going to stimulate the country back into productivity.

00:19:32.880 We've gone through Watergate. We've gone through the church and Pike committee hearings. We've gone through, uh, you know, inflation and whip inflation. Now we were a very dispirited, naval gazing society that couldn't even get our own hostages back from Iran. 0.83

00:19:46.660 Ronald Reagan came in and with his kitchen cabinet from California filled with certain ideas about, uh, supply side economics.

00:19:56.080 And they tried, I believe in earnest to restart the American miracle. And you had people like Paul Volcker who, you know, wrung inflation out of the system, uh, by scaring the living crap out of, out of us.

00:20:07.840 And it played in, you know, as a Jew, I'm going to say something a little bit, uh, edgy. Uh, there's a Christian meme called daddy's home. 0.85

00:20:17.100 And you know, the idea is you're, you're misbehaving now, but when your father gets home, order will be restored.

00:20:22.960 And Ronald Reagan played right into the idea of daddy's home. And so daddy came in and the red tape went away. We stopped enforcing antitrust. We started experimenting with all of these different things. Now it's very important to communicate something to your audience.

00:20:37.540 In general, the idealism of every age is the cover story of its thefts. So for example, manifest destiny, you can figure out what the idealism of white man's burden is all about.

00:20:50.100 You have land that isn't yours. Now you have an obligation to take in the eighties. Our idealism was about competitiveness. And in part, that was about taking from organized labor in order to make sure that management had the ability to restart the engines of growth.

00:21:06.820 And of course, what we found out was that all of these techniques didn't work the way I believe the earnest supply siders expected they would. And the baby boomers were watching. And in particular, the Democrats had watched 12 years of Republican rule.

00:21:19.260 And they were thinking that it was going to be a permanent Republican situation, permanent conservative rulership leadership. And so Bill Clinton decided to create a second Republican Party and the Democratic Party shifted away from labor after PATCO was destroyed and organized labor was attenuated.

00:21:38.380 And so the idea is that that idealism of competitiveness had now worked its way through. With the fall of the Berlin Wall in 89, we started a new idea, which is sort of the United Colors of Benetton. We are the world Davos idealism of globalization, you know, and that effectively allowed us to break the bonds to our fellow countrymen and to attenuate the idea that a guy like me sitting in Los Angeles is bound to somebody in

00:22:07.980 in Eastern Kentucky coming out of a coal mining background. If I can just free myself of my fellow countrymen, I'm free to move our factories to East Asia or to, in fact, import our scientific labor force from abroad in order to get effectively slave labor paid for by visas so that scientific employers don't actually have to pay our own people. 0.66

00:22:34.300 So that's when we start pretending that Americans are bad at science and technology, when, in fact, I think we have the best educational system in the world and we've got all sorts of incredibly creative people who are not preferred by our system because they're not obedient.

00:22:48.420 So Americans aren't obedient. I'm not obedient. If you train me to get a Ph.D., you think I'm going to listen to you just because you tell me exactly what to do? I'm not I'm not your hired hand. I'm your colleague. I'm your fellow citizen.

00:22:58.740 I'm your fellow citizen. That period goes through. And effectively, the rich family starts a kleptocracy in which the center left and the center right kleptocrats start selling off all of the wealth of the family.

00:23:12.900 And it becomes sort of a race, if you will, to pocket as much as you possibly can.

00:23:20.140 This goes through up until, you know, the 2000s. We have the dot com bubble. The dot com bubble is replaced by a beautiful bubble about housing.

00:23:29.800 Everyone deserves a house and the American dream. But of course, it's financed by nonsense.

00:23:34.260 This is called the great moderation by the supposed grownups in the room.

00:23:38.880 And you start to see the guys. You start to realize that Alan Greenspan goes from being an oracle to a guy who just doesn't even get the basics.

00:23:46.060 So people like me, 2001, 2002, start talking about mortgage backed securities were laughed out of the room repeatedly.

00:23:52.480 Nassim Taleb, by the way, super dangerous person. Have him on your podcast. Great friend.

00:23:57.400 What's his what's his name again? And tell me a little bit about him.

00:24:01.900 Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

00:24:03.140 Nassim Nicholas Taleb is a former trader turned author.

00:24:10.520 And his basic point has been that the establishment constantly minimizes the risks, the tail risks in favor of looking at what generally happens in market.

00:24:22.400 Right. Really, what happens in markets is determined by extreme events.

00:24:26.360 And so if you throw out the outliers, you throw out the entire story.

00:24:29.480 Nassim's point is that all of this is understandable and that what we have is a world of financiers who, through financialization, have figured out how to get all of us, the citizenry, to act as the insurer.

00:24:41.980 And they simply help themselves to the profit and stick us with the tail risk.

00:24:47.700 I think this is one of the biggest problems.

00:24:50.420 And I mean, look, I'm not a I'm a self-educated guy.

00:24:56.360 And and in 2006, I was looking at the the the the mortgage system and saying to my friends who all were on Wall Street and all bankers.

00:25:09.100 And I'm like, guys, this is not this doesn't work.

00:25:12.280 This is going to fall apart.

00:25:13.840 This just doesn't work.

00:25:15.720 And they talked to me about all their systems and all the fail safes they had, everything else.

00:25:20.380 And it was all gobbledygook and.

00:25:24.800 And it failed and I it's it's it's astounding to me that we ended up paying for their mistakes.

00:25:35.240 And so we never learned they never learned from their mistakes because no one's ever responsible except apparently the little guy.

00:25:43.660 Who is it?

00:25:44.680 They didn't make a mistake.

00:25:46.420 Why are you saying they made a mistake?

00:25:47.500 Well, they didn't make a mistake.

00:25:49.220 They they had faulty or greedy desires.

00:25:54.820 They were just we'll just keep piling it up.

00:25:58.540 But let me explain this very clearly.

00:26:00.940 OK.

00:26:02.060 I was in a small hedge fund at the time and the small hedge fund.

00:26:06.840 We decided we were going to look for a new prime brokerage.

00:26:09.220 And we went over to AIG Financial Products Division.

00:26:12.200 Of course, AIG was supposed to be an insurer.

00:26:14.400 Right.

00:26:14.620 And we blurred the distinctions in financialization.

00:26:18.000 We talked to their group and they told us about how massive they were and how they were able to extend services to us.

00:26:25.500 And we started asking them questions before the crash.

00:26:28.720 And they told us about how they tranched all of their exposure and that in order for them to get hurt, it would have to go through all of these levels.

00:26:36.820 And, you know, we asked the question, OK, so what happens if it cascades through all those levels?

00:26:41.040 And the answer they gave should be known to everyone.

00:26:44.700 And it is this.

00:26:45.980 Well, if it goes to all of those levels, then we're all screwed.

00:26:50.380 In other words, we're protected up until the point it becomes everyone's problem.

00:26:56.260 And then it's not our problem anymore.

00:26:58.700 They always knew.

00:27:00.860 And, you know, this is the problem with this.

00:27:04.180 The reason that I used to be invited to hedge funds conferences was because this is what I was saying.

00:27:11.140 You know, of course, everyone knew this.

00:27:13.120 People would say, well, I don't understand why you're not profiting from.

00:27:15.340 I don't understand.

00:27:16.180 Well, you know, look, the party will go until it's over.

00:27:19.000 The smart people in finance weren't convinced by the nonsense that they fed to the public.

00:27:23.260 So I don't think they made a mistake.

00:27:25.860 We made the mistake.

00:27:26.920 Who underwrites non-recourse loans?

00:27:30.840 You know, the public didn't even understand what a non-recourse loan was.

00:27:34.860 So in essence, basically, our financiers take advantage of our financial inadequacy.

00:27:41.600 And I don't know why we don't hire the world's best lawyers, the world's best accountants, and the world's best financiers.

00:27:48.720 Pay them enormous bonuses to take care of the American people.

00:27:52.360 Well, you know, effectively, we're in there defended by, you know, a few guys with good hearts and, you know, to be attacked by the most sophisticated players in our society.

00:28:06.480 We just sit down.

00:28:08.300 We take it over and over again.

00:28:09.960 I don't think they made a mistake.

00:28:11.080 I think we made a mistake.

00:28:12.300 We should have created the back national seashore in Long Island from the hand.

00:28:17.840 Okay, but wait, wait.

00:28:19.900 See, here's the problem, I think.

00:28:23.440 It's the greed of one group and the willingness to gamble with other people's lives

00:28:31.840 and the power and establishment in the government that knows that they can get elected if they can say,

00:28:40.340 everybody who is at this level, you're going to get a home.

00:28:45.220 You know, as long as they can play the Oprah card, you get a home and you get a home and you get a home.

00:28:50.520 Even though the math just doesn't work, nobody cares.

00:28:55.100 They'll deal with the aftermath later.

00:28:57.260 So it's this, it's the collusion.

00:28:59.860 It's, I'm a free market guy.

00:29:02.240 We haven't done the free market in how long?

00:29:07.040 How long?

00:29:08.300 We haven't had a free market.

00:29:10.260 It's an illusion.

00:29:12.220 Pardon me?

00:29:12.940 It's an illusion.

00:29:13.700 Yes.

00:29:13.920 Yes, you're right.

00:29:14.860 For some reason, you know, I'll be honest.

00:29:17.900 Um, I finally live in my own home, uh, as if it's really my own home.

00:29:23.640 Of course, mortgage is another form of rental.

00:29:26.340 Um, my cleaning person drives a nicer car than I do.

00:29:30.320 And if you had to push me back into a studio apartment to have my country back, I'd go back to a studio apartment. 0.95

00:29:37.880 I would too.

00:29:38.500 I think, you know, there's just, you've ridden on a private plane.

00:29:43.300 Yes.

00:29:45.220 It's not that great.

00:29:46.280 It's kind of cool the first time you do it.

00:29:48.380 And it always feels a little, you know, but it's just, there's nothing in this money game that appeals to me as much as having my country and being able to focus, uh, with freedom on the things that I care about.

00:30:01.400 So let me, let me just say this.

00:30:02.980 Um, I've owned my private plane and, uh, it's game.

00:30:07.760 It's the only thing wealth changes is a private flight.

00:30:11.920 However, I'm with you.

00:30:13.760 Um, I'd, I'd, I'd be penniless and start over if we could restore actual accountability, responsibility, and freedom.

00:30:23.020 Um, yes, um, that's what we would, I would like to think we would do.

00:30:32.920 Um, but I think a lot of people aren't in that game.

00:30:36.280 I think that a lot of people, uh, are desperate to feel that they've succeeded inside of the American story.

00:30:42.860 So if, if we can pick up the main thread, I'll try to finish it out as quickly as I can.

00:30:47.580 We'll go from the 1980s through Bill Clinton.

00:30:49.760 So Bill Clinton, the idealism of that age was we are the world and the sort of Davos pluralism of globalization, uh, that was about breaking the bonds to your fellow countrymen.

00:31:00.320 Then we have the, uh, idealism of the technology changes everything with the dot-com bubble.

00:31:05.700 You see that that collapses.

00:31:07.000 Then the idealism becomes everyone needs a home.

00:31:10.260 Uh, it allows the financiers to concentrate the gains.

00:31:13.460 We, we, uh, are caught holding the bag in 2008, the world's financial system falls apart, right?

00:31:20.240 And then we have the idealism of stimulus and a very strange thing happens in 2010 around, uh, which is the Colorado midterm Senate elections.

00:31:31.320 And I believe that the Democrats really have a tremendous amount of pain and they have a bright spot in Colorado and the Obama people say, what happened in Colorado?

00:31:39.880 That was different. And it turns out that identity politics, um, played a big role in that election.

00:31:45.820 If I have my story right at that point, Russell and Ali writes a 2011 letter to the universities called the dear colleague letter.

00:31:54.320 The dear colleague letter puts the university system on notice, which is of course beholden to the federal government because, uh, effectively it's not, it's a seemingly private system.

00:32:04.300 The private universities that is entirely dependent on the federal government.

00:32:07.360 And it says, by the way, people, if you don't get your stuff in order, uh, with respect to title nine and women's rights and the terrible problem of attacks on women on campus, et cetera, et cetera, uh, you're going to be in a situation which you may not like because the federal government may withdraw its support.

00:32:24.400 So the universities scramble towards, um, making sure that they are as compliant as they can be, uh, responsive to the dear colleague letter.

00:32:35.120 And that starts a chain of events whereby, um, um, we start pumping out people who have spent four years coked up in an indoctrination camp, um, believing things that have always been present in the university system, but have been relatively small.

00:32:50.340 You have to appreciate that intersectionality comes out of UCLA.

00:32:53.240 Uh, the concept of unexamined privilege comes out of Wellesley, Peggy McIntosh and Kimberly Crenshaw as the UCLA law professor.

00:33:02.220 These ideas become supercharged after Russell and Lee's dear colleague, the democratic party goes hard and to quote, uh, my wife and the economist Pia Malani, uh, the democratic party had to search for the cheapest alternative to organized labor.

00:33:19.300 And that was organized identity.

00:33:20.880 So now you've swapped out organized labor destroyed by Pat Cohen competitiveness and the previous, uh, you know, idealism that was cloaking a theft.

00:33:30.120 And suddenly the democratic party is the party of identity because it's the cheapest substitute and it buys time for the claptocracy to continue looting the country, uh, which gives birth birth to MAGA.

00:33:41.520 Right.

00:33:42.040 And so in essence, um, and this is a really important point.

00:33:45.540 I've never said it anywhere else, but I wanted to save it up for you.

00:33:48.560 So let's see how it goes.

00:33:49.500 America has two twin aspirations, that of being a great society and that of being a good society.

00:33:56.380 And the left of center tends to over-focus on being a good society.

00:34:00.420 And the right tends to over-focus on being a great society by great.

00:34:04.620 I mean a massive power and by good, I mean a moral power.

00:34:08.940 So when you have people like the Dulles brothers or J Edgar Hoover, uh, you have a situation in which the U S perfectly well knows how to throw an election.

00:34:18.540 We know how to assassinate leaders.

00:34:20.420 We know how to get intelligence and we know how to take people to black sites and try to get information out of them.

00:34:25.980 We know how to run the school of the Americas.

00:34:28.040 There's this entire Howard scene history of the United States, which is real and true and comes from a progressive family.

00:34:34.560 When the United States government chooses to visit you through spies and harassing, it's no joke.

00:34:40.100 And that causes people like me to be treated as if we're paranoid.

00:34:43.340 But what's really going on is that our Bayesian priors are different. 0.65

00:34:46.000 If you're black or if you're, uh, let's say extremely progressive, you have a terrible history with your own country. 0.54

00:34:53.360 So my country has mistreated my family. 0.98

00:34:56.480 I love this country.

00:34:58.520 You have to be able to put up with the warts of your country.

00:35:01.280 This country is not always good, but it has been great for a very long time.

00:35:06.960 We are now trifling with pretending that we're trying to be good through all of this wokeness that's called Wokistan. 1.00

00:35:13.840 And we were pretending that we're returning to greatness with Magistan. 1.00

00:35:18.400 Neither of these things are true.

00:35:20.340 You're about to lose being great and being good.

00:35:24.760 And so now what's going on is, is that in the modern era, post Russell and Ali's letter, you've got all of these kids were hired in order to generate sales and clicks and ads for legacy media, which the old line thought they could control.

00:35:40.780 This is the idea that you're going to have a tiger cub and at the beginning, the tiger is going to be adorable or a lion cub, you know, and then that thing starts growing and growing.

00:35:49.460 And so if you look at the Harper's letter, that was an attempt to say, Hey, all of us who hired the, uh, extremely radical, uh, woke products of the university system.

00:36:00.920 Um, we have, we, we are now being threatened by our own, by our own attack, uh, squad.

00:36:07.380 We tried to let them loose on everybody else, but we thought they wouldn't turn on their, on those who hired them.

00:36:12.940 Well, guess what?

00:36:13.580 We, we, we now have a problem.

00:36:15.340 We recognize this is illiberal.

00:36:18.340 Okay.

00:36:18.900 So now this is what we have to recover from.

00:36:21.360 And it's almost impossible because none of us can get access to institutional media, which is what the only thing that our institutions have to listen to.

00:36:29.880 They don't listen, they won't listen to the blaze unless we screw up and then, then they'll take whatever we said wrong and they'll put it in an infinite cycle.

00:36:37.700 But right now, the problem is, is that Magistan is creating Wokistan. 1.00

00:36:42.780 Wokistan is creating Magistan. 1.00

00:36:45.460 It's Escher's hand, drawing hands.

00:36:47.540 The two of them drawing each other into existence.

00:36:51.020 The kleptocrats are busy stealing everything that isn't nailed down. 0.97

00:36:54.100 And the tiny number of people who are outside of this system, uh, as long as they don't really have any effect inside what I've called the gated institutional narrative or gene, um, we have no ability to reach the unit.

00:37:09.580 We can't reach the university.

00:37:11.320 I have a PhD from Harvard and MIT postdoc.

00:37:13.780 I've been funded by the Sloan foundation.

00:37:15.440 It is absolutely important to portray me as if I'm insane or I'm a complete winger or a Nazi with my Jewish surname. 0.80

00:37:22.480 That is how desperate this thing is that I've called the, uh, the, the, the disc, the distributed idea suppression complex right now.

00:37:31.380 There are crazy ideas that may be dangerous.

00:37:33.440 And I understand that we've always had adjustments to free speech, but there are also ideas, unifying ideas, ideas that bring us back from the brink.

00:37:42.340 And the system isn't as worried about going over the edge of the brink because that will generate clicks and sales.

00:37:48.180 It's much more worried about unification.

00:37:50.180 It's much more worried that Eric Weinstein can speak to Glenn Beck and that you and I can disagree on a million things.

00:37:57.120 And we can say, I love you, care about you.

00:38:00.200 It's our country.

00:38:01.800 It's us.

00:38:03.400 And right now we have to free ourselves from institutional media.

00:38:06.740 We are coked up on our own institutions.

00:38:08.820 They used to be the ones who told us to how they would call balls and strikes.

00:38:12.780 You know, we don't have that anymore right now.

00:38:17.340 Everything we're listening to almost is outside of the institution and don't have to listen to us while we sit in these chairs.

00:38:25.400 So the through line, the reason it's all falling apart has to do with a powerful theory.

00:38:30.460 Richard Dawkins said that the power of a theory is what it explains divided by what it is.

00:38:37.860 In essence, the engine of this is we built a society around growth between 1945 and the early 70s, which was unsustainable.

00:38:48.560 And then when the growth point came out, every institution became holding to its ego, its embedded growth obligation.

00:38:57.360 That meant it had to be headed by somebody who could pretend the future that our brightest days are still in if we just stuck with the model.

00:39:05.500 And that would have been possible if we'd found new growth.

00:39:08.680 But effectively, in this orchard, we picked all the low-hanging fruit, except for maybe patients fracking and semiconductors.

00:39:16.540 We now have to go find new orchards.

00:39:19.900 This is what Elon Musk is about.

00:39:21.900 He is both going back and going forward to find new orchards so that there's more low-hanging fruit, because there's a financial concept called beta.

00:39:31.020 And in general, when we have something like electrification or digification or any kind of anification that changes everything, then everybody can get some exposure.

00:39:43.220 Your local laundromat can get exposure to a digital era by broadcasting when the washing machines are free, let's say.

00:39:51.360 You know, they don't have to be in the technology business.

00:39:54.520 Right now, we can't operate our society in a high-growth mode.

00:39:59.160 And when you lose growth, the only growth that's left is not from growing the pie, but from eyeing your neighbor's slice.

00:40:05.380 And so right now, we're each looking at each other's slices of the pie.

00:40:09.140 And instead of seeing a brother or comrade, a fellow countryman, we see a source of protein.

00:40:14.080 And that is the terribly concerning thing, which is we have got to stop eating each other to get back to the business of innovation, because this entire nation won't work until we return to growth.

00:40:26.560 And what we're doing is cannibalizing the very people who are capable of producing growth.

00:40:33.620 Right. So here's the thing on that.

00:40:37.560 We can't seem to produce growth because we're being told to stay home.

00:40:42.300 We're being told to shut down our business.

00:40:43.820 We're being told all through regulation that is coming under this new administration.

00:40:49.300 We are we're also not the ones getting the bailouts, the big business, the connected business, the global business.

00:41:00.440 And at the same time, many of us are being called horrible names and they're putting us out of business now because of who we support or how we vote or what we believe.

00:41:15.640 You with the technological boom that is coming, just just just the impact on truck drivers in the next few years with driverless trucks that are already on the road.

00:41:29.100 You start changing the the model and you start changing and have this almost cotton gin kind of turnover.

00:41:40.320 You can't add on top of that distrust, abuse and theft and survive.

00:41:49.220 There's a problem here, Glenn, which is that there is a moral basis for the market and there is a moral basis for citizenship and they're different.

00:42:02.780 It's sort of the way we used to have courts that would execute the law and courts of chancery that would focus themselves on fairness.

00:42:08.240 OK, I have two claims on my country.

00:42:11.020 One is as a soul and one is as a mind and pair of hands and in essence, when I work hard, if I don't have the ability to benefit from my own labor, that destroys the moral basis of the market.

00:42:27.040 If I see handouts being or bailouts and handouts being given to large corporations, if I see laws that force me to shutter my business while Jeff Bezos is celebrated in terms of how many billions Amazon, et cetera, et cetera.

00:42:41.880 What we're doing is we're undermining the moral basis of the market and you cannot shove that onto efficiency.

00:42:49.300 It's the it's it's it's it's moral sentiments.

00:42:53.660 It's I mean, everybody concentrates on wealth of nations.

00:42:57.020 It's moral sentiments.

00:42:58.460 Once you just once you disregard or destroy moral sentiments, the wealth of nations is gone.

00:43:05.800 It's gone or so corrupted, it destroys itself.

00:43:09.300 The 1970s, probably there were some pretty bad things that happened intellectually to the economics profession.

00:43:16.800 Decided to get out of the business of, you know, distribution questions, say that's somebody else's issue.

00:43:23.540 We're just going to focus on growth and you can distribute that however you want.

00:43:27.100 The old once the rockets go up, here's where they come down.

00:43:30.100 It's not my department's is Werner of a brown line. 0.98

00:43:32.500 So they punt all sorts of things.

00:43:34.440 That's why Piketty suddenly runs, you know, roars into into view with our exploding Gini coefficients that measure our inequality.

00:43:41.540 So the economics profession is completely corrupted by the idea that it is effectively serving the concentration of wealth as if efficiency and growth are the only two things that matter. 0.94

00:43:53.320 And distribution, of course, is not an issue of economics that pass over this idiocy and silence after this. 0.82

00:43:59.540 Now, that is a huge problem, is that we created a world of people who don't have to talk about reality. 0.93

00:44:08.380 They don't have to talk about the fact that souls have a claim on our nation's wealth as well.

00:44:13.280 And that's what UBI is all about.

00:44:14.720 It's trying to restore some kind of basis, moral basis to the market and saying a rich country can afford to make sure that nobody goes hungry and nobody has is wanting for a roof over their head.

00:44:28.540 And at the same time, we can't destroy the incentives to hard work and pretend that everything is egalitarian.

00:44:34.320 That's that's that.

00:44:35.180 That is.

00:44:37.080 Because I am a free market.

00:44:39.700 Really?

00:44:41.880 No, I'm not.

00:44:43.700 I'm not.

00:44:45.240 No, because you're a smart guy and you know that market failure exists.

00:44:48.920 So, for example, if I produce a public good and it is both inexhaustible and inexcludable, do you want me to produce something of incredible value and to recapture none of the value that I create?

00:45:00.680 No, you don't.

00:45:01.440 The free market in its idealized, childlike sense will make sure that I am punished for producing a public good.

00:45:08.720 And no, thank you.

00:45:09.640 I decline your free market by market principle.

00:45:12.540 So, if you're a sophisticated market guy, you're not going to look to screw over your own scientists who produced a public good for you.

00:45:19.160 Correct.

00:45:20.520 OK, so let's.

00:45:22.280 But when I say free market, I must have an idealized vision of it.

00:45:26.940 When I say free market, I mean a market where generally people play by the rules.

00:45:34.000 The free market is it to me.

00:45:38.360 You're the best capitalist is the one that says, how can I help people?

00:45:42.900 How can I make their life easier?

00:45:45.180 Right now, are many of our capitalists are like, how can I get rich instead of.

00:45:51.560 Yeah.

00:45:52.560 We don't have time for this.

00:45:53.840 You're not a free market guy anymore.

00:45:55.500 That was then we've entered into it.

00:45:58.600 Let me put it this way.

00:45:59.760 Imagine that you have a pie that says all activity is in this pie.

00:46:03.620 That's economic.

00:46:04.460 OK.

00:46:04.820 And a tiny sliver of it were public goods and services, which constitute market failure.

00:46:09.000 What if everything that I could produce almost can be turned into a small, copyable file?

00:46:16.620 So I replace, you know, the calculator on my desk, et cetera, et cetera.

00:46:20.240 Also, suddenly that little slice of the pie that represents market failure due to public goods starts growing.

00:46:27.380 And imagine in a future world, crazy world, the part of the free market that your thinking applies to is a tiny sliver.

00:46:34.540 We haven't gotten there yet, but we could.

00:46:37.580 Your point is, in a world in which most things are well seen by the market and few things are not, we should do almost everything through the market.

00:46:47.100 And then we should do the little bit that we can't do through the market through taxing, like raising an army.

00:46:51.540 You know, I wish to opt out of U.S.

00:46:54.560 army protection.

00:46:55.600 No, you have to tax people.

00:46:56.720 Right, right.

00:46:57.360 OK, so my point is you need to update fast and I don't have time to explain it, but OK, but wait, wait, wait.

00:47:05.020 But you're saying I agree that we're going to have to update that because that's what's coming our way.

00:47:10.880 But I don't think that's a good thing.

00:47:14.160 Well, I'm not happy about it.

00:47:15.500 Yeah, that's where we are.

00:47:16.720 OK, yes, I agree with you on that.

00:47:18.280 The best parts of capitalism, free market ideology in the current era is not going to cut it because, like, just what we've seen.

00:47:28.060 But doesn't that include I mean, assuming you're you're very well aware of the Great Reset, which is the public private partnership, you know, and almost a Chinese kind of model in some ways.

00:47:41.600 That that requires angels to run the countries and the system that have never existed.

00:47:50.760 I mean, yes, we don't have this.

00:47:52.340 We don't have the wisdom to take over from the market.

00:47:54.600 And it's a self-organized.

00:47:56.120 Right.

00:47:56.400 Nobody's are.

00:47:57.320 What I'm trying to say is, is that we've got a bunch of simple answers.

00:48:01.100 None of them work.

00:48:01.980 I could say it's all Ayn Rand or.

00:48:04.220 Right.

00:48:04.420 Right.

00:48:04.800 Right.

00:48:05.480 That's Swedish socialism.

00:48:07.240 Right.

00:48:07.540 Right.

00:48:07.720 Right. 0.99

00:48:08.440 You know, all of this is garbage where everything is going to put everything. 0.62

00:48:11.600 We're on the blockchain. 0.72

00:48:12.260 Blockchain solves everything.

00:48:14.020 All of these are completely simplistic and free market belongs in that group.

00:48:20.740 And if you're like me, you want to save the best aspects of the market, take over from the market.

00:48:28.200 I agree with that.

00:48:29.800 You've just defined yourself as a conservative.

00:48:32.960 Take the best parts of things, conserve them and throw the rest out.

00:48:37.720 No, you don't realize that you're a progressive.

00:48:42.300 Forgive me.

00:48:44.140 No, you're a conservative.

00:48:47.480 I'm going to win this argument.

00:48:48.820 You can laugh all you want.

00:48:49.840 All right.

00:48:50.320 Go ahead.

00:48:50.700 Go ahead.

00:48:51.660 OK.

00:48:52.360 The point is, is that what has gotten more people out of progress is the market.

00:48:57.700 If progressive means lifting people out of poverty, about giving people hope, literacy,

00:49:05.000 access to clean water and health care, a progressive has to embrace the market, period.

00:49:10.000 I agree with you, but that's not a that's not a classical definition of a progressive.

00:49:18.080 That's not a Woodrow Wilson, you know, FDR progressive.

00:49:22.060 I don't think you're understanding me.

00:49:23.760 Let me try it again.

00:49:24.500 We learn from our experience.

00:49:28.360 Many of us believed back in the 1930s that progress with the failure of the crash of 29

00:49:35.660 came from embracing socialism.

00:49:39.140 I mean, if you look at Kundera's discussion, he says very clearly that all the all the cool

00:49:43.780 kids wanted socialism and communism because that was the hot new idea.

00:49:47.940 Now, we know where that goes.

00:49:49.540 We know that in general, it goes towards extreme levels of violence in order to beat down Gini 1.00

00:49:55.640 coefficients and it goes lack of productivity.

00:49:58.520 I visited the Soviet Union at the tail end.

00:50:01.860 You can't be a progressive and still believe in those things if you're paying attention to

00:50:07.300 history.

00:50:07.840 The point of being a progressive.

00:50:10.420 Is progress and.

00:50:14.300 This idea that this word and this concept have been co-opted by people who have no concept

00:50:19.200 of the history of progressives, no understanding of all the great things that we've accomplished,

00:50:24.140 you know, interracial marriage. 0.53

00:50:27.600 Right.

00:50:27.860 You know, we've been behind all sorts of things from the get go.

00:50:33.060 And the point is, is that those of us who are truly progressive are keeping going.

00:50:36.880 I am pro market where the market works and I'm up for calling the market out where it fails

00:50:41.900 and claiming I'm a free market guy.

00:50:44.380 No, you're not.

00:50:45.500 You're just not.

00:50:46.240 You don't realize that you're a smart person.

00:50:49.040 Yeah, I would agree with you if this is the way you're defining things.

00:50:52.860 I agree with you.

00:50:54.500 This is the way.

00:50:55.340 And I don't.

00:50:56.120 But that's not the discussion that is happening in the world at all.

00:51:01.580 It should be.

00:51:03.140 With the digital revolution on our heels, we have to have this conversation.

00:51:08.900 Glenn, this conversation is taking place outside of the non-conversation.

00:51:14.360 The gated institutional narrative is to conversation what professional wrestling is to mixed martial

00:51:21.340 arts.

00:51:23.000 Okay.

00:51:23.360 It's a simulated conversation.

00:51:26.200 Say, you know, my wife will sometimes say to me, oh, we have to go see this new movie.

00:51:29.900 Everybody's talking about it.

00:51:31.200 And when I say, what do you mean everybody's talking about it?

00:51:33.720 And then she'll point me at all of these different media outlets, cross-promoting.

00:51:38.660 No.

00:51:39.160 And I say, nobody's talking about it.

00:51:40.800 What's going on is that the media is doing a cross-promotion.

00:51:43.780 So the conversation that's really going on about progressivism and all this stuff is not the

00:51:49.700 progressive conversation. 0.92

00:51:51.460 I mean, what is more racist than a bunch of African-Americans throwing a white professor 1.00

00:51:56.420 out who won't repeat what they say? 0.95

00:51:58.280 You know?

00:51:59.100 That's what happened to my brother.

00:52:00.000 Well, okay, if I'm anti-racist, I'm probably against what is being called anti-racism because

00:52:06.700 the anti-racists may be racist.

00:52:09.420 You can't get confused about what your ideals are and what your idealism is just because somebody's

00:52:19.080 taken all your language and reprogrammed it.

00:52:21.320 So none of this has anything to do with progressivism.

00:52:23.700 And if it requires me shouting at a mob of a thousand people who are saying defund the

00:52:29.600 police, my point is that's not progressive.

00:52:32.600 That's insane.

00:52:33.560 Let's not conflate insanity and a bad business model built on division with progressivism.

00:52:38.500 Now, progressives are still out here.

00:52:40.160 We're still smart.

00:52:41.320 We just don't have a voice.

00:52:42.360 We don't have that seat on the exchange that is called the gated institutional narrative.

00:52:46.800 So then you would clearly separate the Marxists out of the progressive movement that have really

00:52:55.960 hijacked the Democrats and the progressive.

00:53:00.500 The progressive era, in my opinion, is over.

00:53:03.360 We're in the Marxist era.

00:53:06.240 If you define progressive as it is usually defined, not the way you just defined it.

00:53:14.080 Wait a second.

00:53:14.760 Marxism was progressive.

00:53:18.180 Yes.

00:53:18.540 Before we knew how it behaved.

00:53:20.700 Then when we find out how it behaved.

00:53:22.720 Correct.

00:53:23.560 You know, there was a point maybe where Stalin was progressive.

00:53:26.580 Paul Robeson would write, you know, rhapsodically about, you know, the great leader Stalin and

00:53:34.800 what he was doing because he was saying, you know, African-Americans were welcome in the

00:53:38.720 Soviet Union.

00:53:39.300 We have black churches in Moscow. 0.70

00:53:40.880 And in that situation, maybe before you understood that Stalin was one of the greatest killers 0.85

00:53:46.500 in human history, you might have thought that was progressive.

00:53:49.200 Right.

00:53:49.800 Maybe you thought that Mao was progressive before you understood the Red Guards and the

00:53:54.760 Great Leap Forward.

00:53:55.620 But the key point is, is that it's also the case that conservatives have screwed up all

00:53:58.980 sorts of things.

00:53:59.660 Oh, no, no.

00:53:59.860 I agree.

00:54:00.380 Because it destroyed the world financial system.

00:54:02.420 It's clear that supply side economics doesn't work.

00:54:05.000 But we're getting important to remember.

00:54:07.740 OK, so this is a really good conversation.

00:54:10.360 But I think we're getting sidetracked a little bit because I think we agree in a very compact

00:54:16.640 sort of way that I'm comfortable with you defining progressivism the way you do for perhaps you

00:54:23.840 and others on a case by case basis.

00:54:26.240 But generally what I'm talking about with progressives, AOC will call herself a progressive.

00:54:32.840 She's not a progressive.

00:54:34.000 She wants to drag us back to an old, broken kind of idea of Marxism.

00:54:41.280 Do you agree?

00:54:43.080 No.

00:54:44.080 AOC is partially progressive and partially insane.

00:54:49.720 OK.

00:54:50.360 Could you explain that?

00:54:52.880 Well, look, you want to have a next level conversation.

00:54:55.580 We're not going to be able to just, you know, I don't want to have Dick Tarzan, you know,

00:55:00.640 talking about Jamie, good, you bad, all that kind of stuff.

00:55:03.140 Right.

00:55:03.320 OK.

00:55:03.500 AOC is a complicated phenomenon.

00:55:05.980 She's in part constructed.

00:55:07.700 The actual human from which she's constructed appears to have taken over some of that role.

00:55:11.640 It's kind of interesting. 0.99

00:55:12.980 She has the strength to call out certain kinds of bullshit. 0.99

00:55:15.480 She's extremely talented. 1.00

00:55:18.260 Not everything she says and does is stupid. 0.99

00:55:20.540 And then there's the madness of identity politics and effectively communism coming through 1.00

00:55:25.280 identity.

00:55:26.300 And the reason for that, we should just be very clear about it.

00:55:28.600 If you look at a lot of the labor movement, it was always talking about the brotherhood of bricklayers,

00:55:32.780 the brotherhood of teachers.

00:55:33.800 Correct.

00:55:34.760 It turned out that that concept really didn't work very well because people knew that they

00:55:38.740 weren't brothers.

00:55:39.320 They were just co-workers.

00:55:40.540 You know, how much players say, you know, I laid the best bricks and I'm proud that that's

00:55:45.160 what I did.

00:55:45.680 In part, it was proud to bring home a paycheck and feed a family and to be able to look occasionally

00:55:51.240 building and say, your father built, you know, your father built that.

00:55:54.880 The issue is that identity is much more powerful.

00:55:58.200 So, it's a much more effective means of introducing Marxist ideas.

00:56:02.800 And what I've said is, if you want to save capitalism, you're going to need hyper-capitalism

00:56:07.500 coupled to something like hyper-socialism because the redistributive aspects of capitalism change

00:56:13.040 character with the multiplier of algorithms.

00:56:18.560 And as an algorithm becomes powerful, whoever owns the algorithm may be able to concentrate

00:56:23.060 fantastic amounts of wealth that no human can afford to defend themselves in that market.

00:56:28.120 So, we're in an interesting situation, which is when you say, I'm a free market guy, you're

00:56:32.200 applying, you're appealing to a very old complex.

00:56:34.780 And when I say, you know, that these people, you're not a free market guy, AOC is not simply

00:56:41.440 progressive, we have to look at Arnold Kling and his concept that the three ideas that animate

00:56:48.100 conservatives, libertarians, and progressives are very simple.

00:56:53.240 Libertarians cannot stand coercion, and they become single issue, which is that they don't

00:56:57.220 want to be coerced in anything.

00:56:59.260 Progressives can't abide oppression.

00:57:02.040 So, they fight everything that has the sort of appearance or sheen of oppression.

00:57:07.160 If you label something oppressive, they'll fight it.

00:57:09.280 And conservatives are always angry that people don't remember the hard-won lessons of the

00:57:13.600 past.

00:57:14.060 And so, they're always trying to hang on to the wisdom that has been built up historically

00:57:18.060 in a society.

00:57:20.200 Okay.

00:57:20.980 It's not perfect, but it's pretty good.

00:57:23.040 You had to sort of down to its essence.

00:57:25.780 But if you take the three of them with moderation and put them together, it works.

00:57:35.200 Bingo.

00:57:35.720 That's what we're supposed to be doing.

00:57:38.480 Right.

00:57:38.960 But we are now facing a system that has gone half insane on both sides, have their own

00:57:51.680 equal problems, and everybody, it's my way or the highway, and there's no-

00:57:59.340 We're not doing that.

00:58:00.120 What?

00:58:00.860 We're not doing that.

00:58:02.200 You and I are having a different conversation.

00:58:04.100 If we have a conversation about, oh, is it free market versus equity, what's even the

00:58:10.180 point?

00:58:10.480 I might as well just, let's call it over and let the Chinese come in and teach us Mandarin.

00:58:14.820 You know, I don't want to do that.

00:58:16.400 The key point is, I can't stand coercion.

00:58:18.740 I hate coercion.

00:58:19.720 That's why libertarians, imagine I'm libertarian.

00:58:22.580 I really believe in structural oppression.

00:58:24.600 If you look at what Robert Moses did to New York City, tell him straight-faced oppression

00:58:29.080 doesn't exist.

00:58:30.000 Yep.

00:58:30.360 Amen.

00:58:30.780 I agree.

00:58:31.060 And everything we built up, including our founding fathers, an actual patriarchy, which

00:58:36.980 was somehow so wise that the fact that they had no women, they had no people of color in 1.00

00:58:42.620 their group, they wrote with enough abstraction and headroom that we could actually get out

00:58:47.480 of our own way.

00:58:48.340 I mean, this is genius in a document.

00:58:50.460 Imagine that all are created equal, and you keep any mention of the fact that you actually

00:58:56.140 own other human beings.

00:58:57.600 Actually not true.

00:58:59.240 Drew, I urge you to go back, read the original draft.

00:59:03.360 Just cut out.

00:59:04.560 Are you there?

00:59:07.420 You're back.

00:59:08.240 Okay.

00:59:08.840 Read.

00:59:09.560 Actually not.

00:59:10.800 Wait.

00:59:11.520 I urge you to go back and read the original draft in Thomas Jefferson's own handwriting,

00:59:16.520 the one that was proposed to Congress.

00:59:19.320 Remember, John Hancock said, the king will weasel his way in and split us up.

00:59:25.200 Do we all agree it has to be unanimous?

00:59:27.420 They all voted yes, it has to be unanimous.

00:59:30.240 He went to write it.

00:59:31.360 He wrote it.

00:59:32.080 And it's an unbelievable paragraph about slavery and the evils of slavery and how the king has

00:59:39.920 stopped them every step of the way.

00:59:42.600 It's the only place where his handwriting changes.

00:59:45.340 He capitalizes the word he says.

00:59:48.460 And the king has continued to allow and stop every effort to stop the practice of selling capital letters men on the open market.

01:00:02.080 He did that to tie back to the beginning.

01:00:05.760 All men are created equal.

01:00:07.100 It's not as clean cut as everybody thinks it is.

01:00:10.940 These guys were deep thinkers, deep thinkers.

01:00:14.080 Some of them got it probably at the time.

01:00:17.200 For where they were.

01:00:19.320 I believe Wyoming was maybe the first to, you know, make sure that women had the vote. 0.97

01:00:23.540 So we have a very strange history.

01:00:25.680 But my point to you is we did have we did have chattel slavery.

01:00:30.260 Yeah, we did.

01:00:31.100 Until like 100 years before my birth or something.

01:00:34.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:35.060 I agree.

01:00:35.660 It's horrible.

01:00:37.220 However, we had the foresight to have an abstraction because some of some people figured out how to do this so that we could grow into the country that I think we were always meant to be.

01:00:46.780 And there's a very important concept that came out of France that was taught to me by, I believe, a person who taught Bill Clinton history at Oxford, Earl Jamie and Wayne.

01:01:00.200 I can't pronounce his last name, which is a nation is defined to be a group of people who have agreed to forget something in common.

01:01:07.800 In part, we are supposed to remember a lot of the horrible things in our beginning to forget them later so that we can become who we were always meant to be without being tied back to 1619.

01:01:21.900 The way Nicole Hannah-Jones wishes to tear us apart and to refound us. 0.98

01:01:26.020 We have absolutely very strong obligations, in particular to African-Americans, but also to women who were denied the vote, you know, even in the beginning of my grandfather's life.

01:01:36.720 But we also have to realize that we have the blueprint for a country that can accommodate our best selves and that this is the gift of a patriarchy.

01:01:48.180 It may not resemble us.

01:01:49.500 It may have been a white landowning patriarchy. 0.90

01:01:52.100 But God damn it, if these people didn't effectively have a blueprint that can accommodate people that look absolutely nothing like them. 0.99

01:01:58.360 And the excitement that I have for our country, which is our trajectory, we haven't gotten close. 0.98

01:02:03.980 The people who are calling themselves progressives in the streets are correct.

01:02:07.380 The progress has been too slow.

01:02:09.240 On the other hand, to give up this thing in order to pursue fantasies and phantoms and this is madness.

01:02:20.260 So that's where we are.

01:02:21.860 We've got to do better.

01:02:23.020 But look, the other thing is, we've got to talk about the two major cults and what cults are, because I don't think people understand what a cult is.

01:02:31.320 In general, cults are not simply made up of crazy people.

01:02:35.080 Whatever the dominant society is, always has to throw certain items of truth over the walls that it represents.

01:02:44.800 Right?

01:02:45.100 You have to forget certain things.

01:02:47.480 You have to pretend that certain things that are true aren't true.

01:02:50.140 And in so doing, when you have a situation like that, there is always the basis to begin a new civilization based on the idea that the society always has to lie.

01:03:02.140 If the society lies very little, it's not worth joining the irregulars outside the city walls. 1.00

01:03:08.680 But it is true that our culture has been throwing more and more truth over the city walls.

01:03:13.860 And that has been the basis for the cults that have formed around Wokistan and Magistan. 0.61

01:03:18.560 And we have to talk about the fact that both of them have a point and both of them have become cult-like.

01:03:23.800 And now, therefore, they're similar to our system.

01:03:26.220 Agree.

01:03:26.940 A hundred percent agree.

01:03:29.320 There is a reason.

01:03:31.360 There is a real good set of reasons that people marched with Black Lives Matter.

01:03:36.920 They have some really good points.

01:03:39.380 Not Black Lives Matter, Inc., but Black Lives Matter.

01:03:43.000 What was happening with our cops, the whole experience of the past, and it needs to change.

01:03:50.640 The same thing with the people who, and I've got to be careful here, gathered last week and said,

01:03:58.160 hey, can we just have 10 days just to air these things to make sure that we all check?

01:04:04.700 I didn't think that that would happen.

01:04:07.220 I didn't think that you had the time to actually make any progress on it because the Constitution is very clear.

01:04:16.160 But you had a right to say that.

01:04:18.660 No one's listening to the real plight, the people who really mean, the peaceful protesters of Black Lives Matter,

01:04:28.060 and not the radicals that want to abolish the family and everything else.

01:04:32.120 Oh, wait a second.

01:04:33.120 What?

01:04:33.340 What?

01:04:34.160 What?

01:04:34.700 And we're dismissing the people who say, I don't think I can trust this system anymore.

01:04:42.600 If we shut them down, we're nitroglycerin in a paint shaker.

01:04:49.200 Well, let's be very clear about this.

01:04:52.940 Do you remember the claim that Black Lives Matter protests were mostly peaceful?

01:04:58.260 Mm-hmm.

01:05:00.020 The Capitol Hill protest was probably mostly peaceful.

01:05:03.160 Mm-hmm.

01:05:03.960 I'm right back at you, right?

01:05:06.040 If you want to play the game of mostly peaceful, okay, fine.

01:05:09.760 You know, that comes back to haunt you.

01:05:11.440 The key issue is who's been calling balls and strikes out here?

01:05:14.640 I hate Donald Trump's presidency.

01:05:16.780 I really do.

01:05:18.000 He accomplished some amazing things, like the Middle East peace stuff, like getting a race theory out, like not starting new wars.

01:05:25.920 Before his presidency, I said he will be a superposition, probably of the best and worst president we've ever had in our country.

01:05:32.020 And you've got a group of internet hyenas who, whenever they hear anybody trying to promote a nuanced position, a long, short position, whatever you want to call it, immediately say, what about ism or both sides ism?

01:05:46.020 Like, can you imagine if physicists looked at Schrodinger's cat and said, oh, it's both sides ism, you know?

01:05:53.280 Is the cat dead or alive?

01:05:54.440 No, you're not getting it.

01:05:56.060 The key point is Donald Trump represents something to many people who hate him.

01:06:01.740 He represents something standing in the way of a news media that cannot report that the mayor of Portland is, in fact, coordinating with an organization it doesn't think, it pretends doesn't exist to firebomb our own federal courthouse in a completely bizarre, largely performative ritual of showing us what a breakdown of law and order is.

01:06:23.480 I mean, no smart person talks about getting rid of the police.

01:06:31.080 And by the way, there is no minority community in the country that can say, we're so oppressed that you have to understand we have a right to get rid of the police.

01:06:38.620 Well, I guarantee you, people with my surname, what will happen if you get rid of the police?

01:06:42.620 It's going to be a very short ride.

01:06:44.300 Don't ever tell the dude we're getting rid of the police.

01:06:46.260 Yeah.

01:06:46.620 All right.

01:06:46.880 We're in a situation in which the MAGA people have to be reached by somebody who hasn't gone along with the lies, right?

01:06:57.560 Yes, the media is lying to you exactly as you say the media is lying to you.

01:07:02.140 Mayor Jenny and Mayor Ted Wheeler in Seattle and Portland are completely out of control.

01:07:07.180 Everyone who failed to talk about that in real terms is completely out of control.

01:07:11.980 You're not wrong about everything, Magistan, by far. 1.00

01:07:14.980 I'm not even positive that the election, the general election is free and fair.

01:07:20.420 I don't know.

01:07:21.240 Yeah, I don't either.

01:07:23.120 On the other hand, let me tell you something that I'm very, very clear on.

01:07:28.760 Assume all of your worst nightmares are true.

01:07:31.360 Assume that you have an incredibly talented intelligence complex that views Donald Trump incorrectly as a puppet of Vladimir Putin and decided that it had to win the election through fraud.

01:07:43.080 Right. 0.98

01:07:43.860 Just indulge your wildest, crazies. 0.71

01:07:46.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:47.700 Go full QAnon. 0.90

01:07:49.440 Justice Roberts is part of a pedophile conspiracy. 0.97

01:07:51.980 Right. 0.99

01:07:52.740 Et cetera.

01:07:53.500 Right. 0.66

01:07:53.760 The Supreme Court pretends to be nine druids that can divine the truth by taking on black 1.00

01:07:58.980 roads and speaking in Latin.

01:08:00.840 Mm-hmm.

01:08:02.040 It's not true.

01:08:02.840 There are nine dudes and chicks like you and me who are assigned to be the last word.

01:08:09.660 And we as Americans agree to abide by the Supreme Court's decisions even when they're wrong.

01:08:17.540 So if you want, if you tell me I don't get it and I haven't looked at Benford's law and all of this stuff and you don't understand the Epstein conspiracy reached the court, okay, fine.

01:08:27.240 But you're not talking about the United States anymore.

01:08:29.860 Mm-hmm.

01:08:30.080 You're talking about a revolution to found a new country that doesn't exist.

01:08:33.820 Yes, yes.

01:08:34.920 And what we need to say to our MAGA brothers and sisters, just like our woke brothers and sisters, is you began around a system of truths that were excluded from the gated institutional narrative.

01:08:47.480 That was your seed corn.

01:08:49.460 Yes, structural oppression really does exist. 0.83

01:08:51.640 You know, yes, it is absolutely true that there are so many irregularities to explain that Antifa is denied, not reported upon, that you're having the idea that you're bigots and chauvinists shoved down your throat.

01:09:13.420 There's no shortage of reality that you have been denied.

01:09:17.580 And now you've attacked the Capitol building of the United States, and I can spin it either way.

01:09:24.720 I can decide that it's a failed insurrection, or I could say it's a mostly peaceful protest, right?

01:09:29.940 It doesn't matter.

01:09:31.400 The key point is the culture of the United States of America.

01:09:34.500 And as I said recently to Sagar and Marshall over at the Realignment, the magic and genius of this country is the way in which the, what I've called the oral and written tour of the United States, the Constitution and our culture interacts.

01:09:47.580 And what I love about this country is, is that I'm absolutely free to burn a flag in protest, and I have zero desire to do it.

01:09:55.840 Yep.

01:09:56.240 And the idea is, if you want to get rid of the culture of this country, you're going to need laws and rules.

01:10:03.500 You can kiss your freedom goodbye.

01:10:04.860 And so part of it is, is that even though this country came after my family in 1953, I stand when the national anthem is played.

01:10:13.900 I'm sure I would not have wanted to hang out with Francis Scott Key.

01:10:17.760 But I heard Jose Feliciano sing his Puerto Rican version at Candlestick Park and Jimi Hendrix, and I heard Marian Anderson do it and Whitney Houston.

01:10:28.700 We took that song, and we made it something absolutely incredible.

01:10:34.440 And I stand whether I feel like it or not, not because I have to.

01:10:39.200 I support the right to go down on one knee.

01:10:42.440 By the way, a genius move, if I may say so, because sitting on the bench was a terrible move.

01:10:47.440 It was incredibly disrespectful.

01:10:48.700 Being on one knee is a way of communicating a certain form of respect.

01:10:55.520 And I would prefer that you stand, but I celebrate your right to kneel.

01:10:59.860 The key, though, is our culture is being destroyed.

01:11:06.000 And I don't know how to say this.

01:11:10.620 We have to go non-coercive.

01:11:12.700 We have to respect our past, and we've got to get the boot of oppression off the number of people who can't figure out.

01:11:17.560 I feel like I did almost everything right.

01:11:20.200 I did not have the career that I was expecting, right?

01:11:23.640 And it's the same issue with Donald Trump.

01:11:25.900 Let me tell you something.

01:11:26.960 Baby boomers do not like to be told to leave the workforce when it's time.

01:11:32.460 We got rid of mandatory retirement in all sorts of places in the 80s.

01:11:37.060 And in part, that's because the boomers didn't have enough wealth.

01:11:41.580 And as a result, everybody else is in a holding pattern.

01:11:45.080 And right now, the principal emergency is that we've got a ton of young men and young women who need to form families and homes.

01:11:52.120 And I don't care whether it's two dudes raising a kid or two chicks or two people who are non-binary.

01:11:57.520 But a continuing society is all about babies and creating the preconditions where people wish to keep their society going so that people will care enough to sacrifice in their life for a legacy.

01:12:13.840 When you start taking down all statues, not just the statues that were put up as a finger in the eye of somebody else, and there were statues that were put up in that way.

01:12:22.880 But when you start a statue of an elk or Stevie Ray Vaughan, because you're trying to make sure that nobody has a future, that there is no history of who cared and who did and who won for you.

01:12:34.960 So, what you're doing is you're stopping the loop of sacrifice.

01:12:38.500 You need to make sacrifice worthwhile, maybe not directly, but at least indirectly.

01:12:44.140 And the future has collapsed for these people.

01:12:46.500 There's this thing I've called metastatic maternity, where when women realize that they're not going to have a baby that they're going to care for, they have to care for something else. 0.60

01:12:54.440 And remember, the lesson of the wild is that mothers love their babies in a way that is violent. 0.84

01:13:03.180 If you've ever seen a mother having a child's attack, you have not seen what violence is, incredible violence.

01:13:12.800 And in effect, we have a lot of young women who are trying to take care of something, who may not be able to have kids because the market is completely taking away the ability to form families. 0.99

01:13:24.440 It's from our young people. 0.99

01:13:25.900 And so, right now, what we've got to do is we've got to get a bunch of old people out of their goddamn chairs. 1.00

01:13:30.780 They're an embarrassment. 1.00

01:13:31.840 They're completely failed. 0.98

01:13:32.940 By the way, it's not the fact that they're old.

01:13:35.800 Joe Biden entered the Senate in 1972 at the age of 29.

01:13:40.780 It's enough already.

01:13:41.980 He had something to say.

01:13:42.840 I'm pretty sure we would know about it by now.

01:13:46.020 Right now, the big issue is that Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell don't make sense.

01:13:51.100 Nancy Pelosi, none of these people.

01:13:52.960 We are talking about a world of technically incompetent people who grew up in an era, generally speaking, before the great society programs, born in the 1940s, who are not capable of living in a 21st century technological world with all this change.

01:14:10.840 And we need different people in the leadership position.

01:14:13.080 I was just saying on the radio today or yesterday, if it wasn't unconstitutional, I would vote for somebody like Elon Musk.

01:14:25.360 And not because I agree with everything he has to say.

01:14:28.700 I think he'd be, you know, a nightmare to me in many cases.

01:14:31.780 But he at least is looking at a new world.

01:14:35.860 It's like we've got a group of people that want to keep us packed into the systems of 1950 that don't work.

01:14:44.200 Nothing.

01:14:44.980 This all of this doesn't work.

01:14:47.040 We need visionaries that can understand the technology of tomorrow, the social impact of those things.

01:14:56.140 Explain it and help us get into that.

01:15:00.420 And I see very few of them on the horizon.

01:15:05.120 Yeah.

01:15:05.620 I mean, you need to.

01:15:07.300 My guess is that most of our leadership born in the 1940s can't write a hello world program in any computer language.

01:15:13.420 Right.

01:15:13.980 Right.

01:15:14.980 You know, at some level, it's enough.

01:15:17.820 We're in a technological world.

01:15:19.140 We're in a new age.

01:15:19.900 And what their job has been, again, I have to quote my wife, which I resent because she has a lot of good points.

01:15:25.040 But her point has been that COVID accelerated the destruction of the dam.

01:15:32.120 Yeah.

01:15:32.380 That the people born in the 1940s have been using to hold back all progress.

01:15:37.680 Yeah.

01:15:38.520 And so what's coming?

01:15:40.420 Demography is going to take care of this.

01:15:42.740 So let me because we're running out of time.

01:15:45.400 And let me let me ask you two questions.

01:15:50.260 I'm very concerned about this transition because one person makes a mistake.

01:15:56.320 It's a Reichstag fire.

01:15:57.900 I mean, and it doesn't matter.

01:15:59.480 It doesn't matter if the Nazis or the communists did it.

01:16:02.480 The impact of that event changed the whole world. 0.97

01:16:07.140 And I am so afraid that it takes one lunatic or one group of lunatics on either side. 0.94

01:16:14.720 It won't matter. 0.95

01:16:15.660 And the world changes.

01:16:17.580 Do you believe we're that close?

01:16:20.440 That's right.

01:16:21.640 We're LARPing.

01:16:23.280 The key problem, we're engaged in live action role play.

01:16:26.260 And if you see the woman who got shot in Capitol Hill, very clear that she walked right into a gun in which the officer who shot her had his finger along the barrel of the pistol.

01:16:40.380 It came inside the trigger guard.

01:16:42.080 It went back out along the barrel.

01:16:43.760 It was shouted, he's got a gun.

01:16:45.000 And she did not stop because she LARPed her way into her own death.

01:16:49.180 And if I may, I would like to address your audience.

01:16:52.960 And I want to do it non-condescendingly because I'm not in a position to condescend.

01:16:58.260 I've screwed up enough in this story.

01:17:00.300 But look, I've been here the whole time and I've been telling you, you guys are right about the center left media.

01:17:06.340 It's gone completely insane.

01:17:08.040 It's denying reality.

01:17:09.200 It's gaslighting you.

01:17:10.260 You're not wrong about that.

01:17:11.740 You're not wrong.

01:17:12.420 The critical race theory is insane.

01:17:15.000 You're wrong somewhere else.

01:17:17.020 If you believe effectively that the court system didn't hear the evidence and it just didn't give standing and that the corruption has gone all the way to the Supreme Court and Justice Roberts, it may have.

01:17:29.580 But there is no opportunity to save the United States if what you're going to do is to talk about something above the Supreme Court.

01:17:36.820 What you're talking about right now is you're talking about a new country that you're hoping to find.

01:17:41.820 And that new country is not the United States.

01:17:46.160 And I'll tell you, I am fighting very hard as I can using every tool in my arsenal to try to get people's consciousness up that MAGA is not completely insane.

01:17:56.460 I can see that from the left.

01:17:59.840 You know, I'll be told that I'm not on the left because I can't see it, but that's not true.

01:18:03.240 You can look at my credentials.

01:18:04.500 I said that Donald Trump was an existential risk at the beginning to the fabric of the United States.

01:18:09.700 Give me my due.

01:18:10.620 Tell me that I'm not wrong about that.

01:18:12.800 Tell me that the fact is that he used the old Henry II tool of saying, well, nobody rid me of this quarrelsome priest, which is called direction through indirection.

01:18:24.520 He told people to be peaceful, but there's no way to overturn this election the way Donald Trump wanted to.

01:18:30.580 There's no way to go around Justice Roberts.

01:18:33.280 You have to wait and take it on the chin.

01:18:35.960 You have to take your loss.

01:18:37.540 If you want to save the country that you claim, it's not that you have no allies.

01:18:41.160 It's not that you haven't been heard.

01:18:43.360 You made lots of real points.

01:18:45.000 Donald Trump did many good things.

01:18:46.760 No new wars is a heck of a big deal.

01:18:48.920 I'm getting rid of critical race theory.

01:18:51.100 He wasn't wrong that our immigration policy has been structured around calling everybody a xenophobe who wants a border.

01:18:57.480 It's insane.

01:18:58.780 But I want to give you your due.

01:19:00.660 And I want to tell you also something.

01:19:02.140 You've gone over the line.

01:19:03.980 If you believe in zip ties and you're going to take back the Capitol, you're coked up on an ideology.

01:19:10.580 And if what you're trying to save is the United States, your United States can only be saved by waiting it out.

01:19:16.940 And I want to point something out to all of you.

01:19:19.220 In 1971, a group called the Citizens Committee to investigate the FBI created an incredible act of civil disobedience and broke into an FBI office.

01:19:31.920 And they stole a bunch of documents because they were willing as patriots to pay their freedom to expose the fact that the FBI was out of control.

01:19:41.900 And that turned into the Church and Pike Committees in the mid-1970s.

01:19:45.440 And for the first time, we investigated our own intelligence services and found out that the United States government was illegally harassing and assassinating American citizens who were trying to behave politically in a way that was anathema to J.I.

01:19:59.980 The next thing we need to do is to look at the leader of that group.

01:20:04.020 I believe his name was William Devedon, a student of Rie Gelman and a professor of physics at Haberfield.

01:20:10.260 So, those guys disciplined, organized, they found the word COINTELPRO, they created FOIA requests, they forced, I believe the York Times wouldn't run their findings, and they forced the Washington Post to have to investigate us.

01:20:25.520 Right now, we need a redo of the Church and Pike Committees so that we know what our intelligence groups are up to. 0.88

01:20:31.040 We need to inflict people who are actually progressive inside of center-left media, which is demonizing everybody.

01:20:39.620 And what I need from MAGA is I need, I've got an outstretched hand and it's been outstretched for four years.

01:20:47.260 And I've waited now, hopefully strategically, to talk to Glenn, because hopefully this is somewhat electrifying.

01:20:53.200 We've got to get back from the brink.

01:20:55.500 And I speak on behalf of a large number of people who have no voice, who have always voted Democratic, which is love you.

01:21:02.880 We love you.

01:21:04.220 You guys are a part of what makes America great.

01:21:07.120 There are certain aspects that I can't do because my left of center-ness doesn't allow me to do it.

01:21:12.980 But we benefit from being a great country and a good country.

01:21:16.840 And I've tried to do both, but we have to have a conscience, and we can't go down this route.

01:21:21.260 And you have to realize that the cult-like aspect of Donald Trump may have been necessary to break the cabal that has been denying all kinds of truth.

01:21:30.340 I've called it the disc.

01:21:31.380 I've talked about the gated institutional narrative.

01:21:34.200 It's over.

01:21:35.100 The Donald Trump thing has to mutate into something that is pro-America, that is not based on a cult of personality.

01:21:43.000 I know that many of you hate him and support him because he was the only way to stop the denial that Antifa was attacking the federal courthouse, for example.

01:21:51.960 All of these people born in the 1940s are going away because of Father Time.

01:21:58.340 They don't have much time left on this planet.

01:22:00.500 And we are going to have to figure out how to unseat them legally, and with apologies to Malcolm X, we need to remove them by any legal means necessary.

01:22:08.080 I apologize for the word legal, but it really does matter.

01:22:11.700 What we need to do is to recognize that Magistan and Wokistan are two cults founded on reality. 1.00

01:22:18.640 It really is structural oppression.

01:22:21.080 There really is a denial of reality by center-left media.

01:22:25.020 And we went over the brink.

01:22:26.700 What we did at the Capitol was disgusting, and we, in a mob mentality, that woman who died from San Diego, larped her way to an early grave because of the contents of her mind. 0.83

01:22:38.560 The software she was running told her that she was as if she was in the Boxer Rebellion, that she had supernatural powers, that nothing would happen.

01:22:46.420 You look at that video, you look at all of the heavily armed officers behind her who could have stopped her.

01:22:51.100 We have entered non-reality, and we are a thermonuclear nation with responsibilities to the entire planet.

01:22:58.120 I keep hearing from black Americans that it's finally our time.

01:23:02.640 They're not going to silence us.

01:23:03.860 And we're not going to – nobody's trying to do that.

01:23:05.980 But you, too, have responsibilities to the planet.

01:23:08.440 This is a thermonuclear situation.

01:23:10.320 And, you know, I appreciate that the killing of George Floyd had the optics of a police lynching, and that it plays into the denied reality of black Americans. 0.97

01:23:21.960 Yes, your history has been denied, just as my history has been denied, just as everybody who understands Howard Zinn's history has been denied.

01:23:29.060 But on the other hand, I want to come back to one image.

01:23:33.080 I had an idea that I was going to get the two guys on my show who engaged in an incident where Donald Trump said to rough up protesters and that he would pay legal bills.

01:23:42.600 And a 78-year-old man, a white guy, threw an elbow, sucker-punching a black protester being led out of an arena.

01:23:50.400 And what I found was that they had reconciled, and they'd hugged, and they'd put it behind them.

01:23:58.500 And there were 20,000 views on the video over four years.

01:24:02.260 I think there were fewer than 20 likes.

01:24:04.320 And just by pointing out that that video existed, I think it went to 30,000 likes from my account alone.

01:24:11.780 We love each other.

01:24:13.720 And we have to stop speaking through our media, and we have to stop speaking through our politicians,

01:24:18.300 and we have to stop speaking through people who are pretending to be progressive or pretending to be conservative.

01:24:23.420 You can't conserve the United States by going over and above the Supreme Court.

01:24:27.180 And if you want to think that I'm soft on Jeffrey Epstein, take a look at the episode that I did specifically.

01:24:32.000 Hey, news media, you have to ask the question, was Jeffrey Epstein attached to any intelligence service?

01:24:38.540 And if you get shut down and said we don't discuss sources and methods, that's fine.

01:24:42.600 But the fact that you won't ask the question about whether or not Jeffrey Epstein is attached to an intelligence service creates a vacuum.

01:24:50.380 And that vacuum is going to be filled by, I believe, fantastic things, the worst excesses of Alex Jones or QAnon or the Nation of Islam or whatever. 1.00

01:25:01.740 Right now, the problem is we have no adults.

01:25:04.100 I'm pretending to be an adult on Glenn's show.

01:25:07.460 Maybe Glenn is pretending to be an adult.

01:25:09.040 But those of us pretending to be an adult are at least trying because we've had a 75-year nap since the end of World War II.

01:25:18.020 And it's coming to an end no matter what.

01:25:20.500 Whether that descends to bloodshed or violence or authoritarianism, whether we lose the right to speak to each other on social media because they take a power grab given when things happen in the Capitol.

01:25:31.260 We've got to come back to reality.

01:25:32.720 There really was a direction to stop the steal from Donald Trump on January 6th.

01:25:39.040 There really was an admonition to be peaceful.

01:25:41.360 He knows exactly what he's doing.

01:25:42.820 He sent twin messages.

01:25:44.920 And that happened at the Capitol where certain people were just going to a rave.

01:25:49.860 Some people were going to a revolution.

01:25:52.800 Some people were just reporting it.

01:25:55.300 Nancy Pelosi is not the right person to bring impeachment proceedings. 1.00

01:25:58.540 The fact is, whoever brought impeachment proceedings should have been talking about Mayor Wheeler and Mayor Jenny and their abominable performance as public services, allowing lawlessness, people to die.

01:26:11.800 We've got to go back.

01:26:13.280 We need effectively a national mix to separate our unclean period from whoever it is that we're meant to be and try again. 0.89

01:26:21.420 And we need to cover structural oppression and end to coercion and the conservation of our best values. 0.97

01:26:27.040 And if that seems like a tall order, tough shit. 0.98

01:26:30.380 That's where we are. 0.98

01:26:32.960 And if you don't want to do that, if you wanted to say, oh, I'm a free market or my structural oppression, you're not part of the American experiment.

01:26:40.960 You're part of its final act.

01:26:42.040 And quite frankly, we've got to fight the kleptocrats in center left, center right, Wokistan and Magistan and get back to the business of innovation. 0.96

01:26:50.760 I've tried to give you a history that you probably didn't know involving a through line that is incredibly simple that explains why everything is falling apart and try to use as few assumptions as possible.

01:27:01.080 And it's been an honor to do it on Glenn's program.

01:27:03.900 Glenn, it was never personal.

01:27:05.180 It was always strategic.

01:27:06.080 I'm sorry, I'm not a free market guy.

01:27:10.400 I'm not a conservative.

01:27:11.340 I'm an honest progressive from a different era.

01:27:14.040 And I know that you are not a free marketeer.

01:27:17.120 You get things have changed.

01:27:18.500 We've got to find our way into the future.

01:27:20.140 We've got to stop looking back for the answers.

01:27:22.020 They ain't there.

01:27:22.580 We've got to invent the future anew.

01:27:25.160 Thanks for letting me rant.

01:27:26.600 I have to tell you, Eric, if you were here, I'm a hugger.

01:27:31.620 I would hug you.

01:27:32.660 I would be your friend.

01:27:34.680 I could be your neighbor and we would never have an argument, even though we may disagree on policies or or things.

01:27:43.900 This is the kind of conversation that America must have.

01:27:48.640 And I I hope this isn't the last time you will join me because I would I'd love to hear more of your thoughts.

01:27:58.160 Thank you so much.

01:27:59.800 Thank you.

01:28:00.340 Love you, brother.

01:28:04.680 Just a reminder.

01:28:08.160 I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 16, 2021

Ep 93 ｜ Why Eric Weinstein Is Finally Talking to Glenn Beck ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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