The Glenn Beck Program - January 23, 2021


Ep 94 ｜ How the Left Handed Black People 'Smallpox in a Blanket' ｜ Jason Whitlock ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 20 minutes

Words per Minute

137.90736

Word Count

11,053

Sentence Count

785

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

34


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Even though in Canada, I'm widely known for my controversial view that curling is not a sport,
00:00:08.280 I'm not a sports fan at all, which might lead you to be surprised.
00:00:13.760 My guest today is one of the most prominent sports writers and commentators in America.
00:00:18.320 Like I said, I'm not a sports fan, but I am a fan of somebody who understands the culture
00:00:24.220 and sports is part of the American culture and those who stand for truth.
00:00:28.580 I especially root for those who stand for truth when it be much easier for them not to.
00:00:35.420 In fact, I really admire him because he has stood up for truth and lost his job because of it.
00:00:43.700 Often the best cultural critics are those who hold a mirror up to society
00:00:47.320 and note the flaws that the subjects fail to see or are unwilling to see.
00:00:54.020 But to do that requires courage and a certain fearlessness
00:00:57.680 because people don't really like when you're like,
00:01:00.640 and you know something else, Beck? You're fat.
00:01:03.800 The truth can hit too close to home and it hurts.
00:01:08.120 It can be too hard to deal with, might even shatter powerful but false narratives
00:01:13.120 that I am the greatest, in shape, best-looking man on podcast.
00:01:18.620 Not so much.
00:01:19.580 That's what my guest has been doing for almost 30 years now.
00:01:23.400 Blasting floodlights of truth onto culture through the outside lens of America's sports.
00:01:30.060 He is an award-winning journalist, radio and TV commentator.
00:01:33.100 He's worked for ESPN, Fox Sports.
00:01:35.760 He's been called the most prominent black sports writer in the country.
00:01:39.540 He's also been called the most hated sports writer in the black community.
00:01:43.700 But he will be the first to tell you that neither being a sports writer nor being black
00:01:50.240 truly defines who he is.
00:01:52.380 It's almost as if his entire career has been a rehearsal for the insane cultural chaos of 2020.
00:01:59.800 Because if there was ever a moment America needed to hear this man's voice,
00:02:04.720 it's right now.
00:02:06.020 Today, Jason Whitlock.
00:02:13.700 Jason, thank you for dressing up and shaving for us.
00:02:26.900 I thought this was audio only.
00:02:29.680 Well, at least you're wearing pants.
00:02:31.860 And if you're not, don't tell me about it.
00:02:36.020 Thanks for being on with us.
00:02:39.240 I met you about a month ago or so.
00:02:41.640 Yeah, it's probably been six weeks.
00:02:44.300 Six weeks.
00:02:45.180 You are a remarkable human being.
00:02:51.180 You just have a passion in you and a mission.
00:02:57.800 Being a really good, God-fearing man, just nothing's going to stop you, is it?
00:03:03.960 I don't think so.
00:03:05.720 I've been on the same mission for a long time, and it's hard to move me off of what I'm passionate
00:03:14.840 about.
00:03:15.620 And, you know, I got into journalism because I wanted to speak truthfully on important issues
00:03:24.720 related to the sports world, but also important issues related to American culture.
00:03:29.260 And, you know, I had a vision when I graduated college in 1990 of what I wanted to do and
00:03:35.140 what kind of conversation I wanted to lead.
00:03:37.540 And, you know, I'm right on track.
00:03:40.700 So you saw this coming or you just felt what you had to say was important?
00:03:47.240 It's the same message from 1990 as it is now?
00:03:51.380 Pretty much.
00:03:52.200 When I grew up, I've read the paper, the newspaper, religiously because I was a huge
00:04:00.280 Indiana Pacer basketball fan.
00:04:02.880 And back then, Glenn, you're old enough to remember, again, the newspaper was everything.
00:04:08.360 And so if you follow a team, you had to follow the newspaper.
00:04:12.400 And I didn't like my newspaper growing up.
00:04:15.380 I thought that the writers actually wrote their material thinking about the coaches and
00:04:22.620 the players that they were covering, not the readers.
00:04:26.980 And so I came into this with a mission of I'm going to always write for the readers.
00:04:34.400 And then the other thing, the other part of my mission was there was a guy in Chicago named
00:04:38.720 Mike Royko, who was the best newspaper columnist in the country at that time, won a Pulitzer Prize.
00:04:44.260 And his column was picked up.
00:04:46.780 It was syndicated in the Indianapolis newspapers.
00:04:50.520 And I wanted to be like Mike Royko.
00:04:53.040 I wanted to be the Mike Royko of sports.
00:04:55.340 And Mike Royko didn't write about sports.
00:04:57.620 He wrote about national politics and Chicago politics and race.
00:05:02.860 And occasionally, sometimes he'd write about sports.
00:05:05.460 I wanted to do what Mike Royko did in the sports world.
00:05:09.880 And that was always bigger than just sports.
00:05:13.220 And I felt like there was a way to talk about the rest of American culture through the lens of sports.
00:05:20.400 And that's what I've been doing.
00:05:22.580 So I just want to understand this, because I think that's part of the problem with sports.
00:05:30.960 And I don't watch sports, so I'm not a sports fan at all.
00:05:34.720 But I have enough friends, everybody I know.
00:05:36.740 My wife is a sports fan.
00:05:39.840 And everyone is sick of all the politics and the preachiness.
00:05:46.660 And they're like, I just want to enjoy the game.
00:05:52.120 So were you trying to inject things in to teach?
00:05:59.240 Or you were just, I don't understand.
00:06:01.020 What's the difference between what you saw and what we're doing now?
00:06:04.940 Well, I'm going to give you a very narcissistic, arrogant answer.
00:06:12.120 If you really understand my career as a sports journalist,
00:06:17.680 I came into the lane of mixing sports and culture
00:06:24.420 and writing about American culture through the lens of sports.
00:06:29.220 And I did it from a traditional sports mindset.
00:06:34.980 Sports were a celebration of Americana.
00:06:37.480 And so I've never been involved in politics.
00:06:42.260 Got it.
00:06:42.960 But I was conservative.
00:06:45.180 I want to finish my point, though, Glenn,
00:06:50.940 because my values were conservative.
00:06:54.060 And if you go back and look at things I've been writing since 1990,
00:06:57.940 there was always this conservative point of view.
00:07:02.400 But I won a bunch of awards and became very popular as a sports writer.
00:07:07.480 I appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show, won some national awards.
00:07:12.820 Not some national awards.
00:07:14.420 You're the only sports writer to win the Scripps Howard Award.
00:07:18.340 I mean, that's a big deal.
00:07:22.040 It happened in 2007.
00:07:24.000 This is a very arrogant statement, Glenn, but it's factual.
00:07:27.320 A lot of young journalists and my peers watched what I did.
00:07:32.480 And what you're now seeing in the sports media world
00:07:35.380 is a very bad imitation of the work that I did in building up my career.
00:07:41.180 Most of these people don't have the courage, balls to do.
00:07:48.740 And so they've come with a woke, left-wing version of what I did.
00:07:53.560 So what you did as I listened to you would have been like what I always loved about baseball
00:08:04.020 and particularly the way the NFL always imaged itself as these are heroes that are coming up.
00:08:12.920 This is the American sport, and we love the country, and it's part of the fabric of America.
00:08:20.920 That's where you were looking at the cultural connection.
00:08:24.240 Absolutely.
00:08:24.920 And it taught the value that best exemplified America at its best.
00:08:31.860 That's what sports have always done.
00:08:35.060 I grew up as a football player, went to college on a football scholarship.
00:08:39.180 If you look at what Pete Rozelle and the NFL did, they attached themselves.
00:08:44.500 In order to overtake baseball, football became more patriotic than even baseball.
00:08:52.460 Right.
00:08:52.680 The military flyovers, the national anthems before the game, all of that.
00:08:58.000 The NFL tried to make you feel like the most patriotic thing you can do on a Sunday is go to church and watch football.
00:09:06.140 Yep.
00:09:06.860 And it was a brilliant business strategy that catapulted football to where it's America's national pastime.
00:09:14.940 It's something that I authentically believe in.
00:09:19.240 Sports do teach the values that best exemplify America.
00:09:25.880 But I think that, and again, this is really big picture, but we're starting to now really understand it.
00:09:32.900 Like China and our competitors figured out, if you really want to influence American culture, you have to get in the sports world.
00:09:43.480 You have to influence that.
00:09:45.320 If you can turn that left, Marxist, progressive, whatever, then you have a chance to really influence American culture and spin the whole culture in a negative direction.
00:09:57.120 So when did this happen?
00:09:59.780 Because it seems like, to an outside observer, the American pastime, American football, it was always America.
00:10:10.720 And then it's seemingly on the outside, on a dime, all of a sudden it's hate America.
00:10:19.000 And this is what's wrong with America and preaching all the time.
00:10:23.020 And when did that happen?
00:10:24.600 And why did that happen?
00:10:26.100 I don't think it was on a dime and there's been a process, but go look at, and again, I'm not some super harsh Barack Obama critic, but I'm just let the facts speak for themselves.
00:10:43.000 Barack Obama intentionally partnered with ESPN because he wanted to get to speak to that sports audience.
00:10:51.180 And every year, the NCAA tournament, Barack Obama filling out his bracket, Barack Obama, the greatest basketball fan in the history of the presidency.
00:11:04.000 Let's go do short stories on Barack playing basketball in the backyard of the White House.
00:11:10.140 And let's Barack at NBA games.
00:11:12.560 And so there was like a process of like, let's move left wing stuff into the sports world.
00:11:21.260 And then the other.
00:11:22.300 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:11:23.560 That couldn't have happened, though.
00:11:25.520 I mean, I, I, I, I, I've never played basketball.
00:11:30.140 I don't play sports.
00:11:31.220 I've never played sports.
00:11:32.880 And I, I, I, I almost have no feeling in my hands.
00:11:38.520 And so it's like, it's like playing with, and we did this on the air.
00:11:43.080 It's like playing with meat mitts.
00:11:44.720 It's like my hands are in gloves made of meat.
00:11:48.280 We, we did what Barack Obama did on ESPN with, you know, shooting the hoops.
00:11:56.100 Because I was better at it than he was.
00:12:00.720 So it had to be something from the inside also of the sports world saying, we're going
00:12:06.720 to image him because he wasn't that.
00:12:10.540 I think the other thing as it relates to basketball, and that was Barack Obama's big thing.
00:12:17.460 Nike, the shoe company.
00:12:19.320 Nike is a much bigger business, five, six times much more lucrative than the NBA.
00:12:29.220 Nike actually runs the NBA.
00:12:32.560 The NBA is a marketing arm of Nike.
00:12:35.840 Nike's relationship with China is the key to all of this.
00:12:41.480 Nike is such a cultural force with its commercials,
00:12:46.600 going all the way back to Michael Jordan, Spike Lee.
00:12:51.260 Nike is China's partner in the manipulation of the sports world.
00:12:58.060 The NBA being first and foremost, but Nike has its reach all the way into the NFL.
00:13:05.160 And the next thing you know, Colin Kaepernick in 2016 is the ultimate Trojan horse.
00:13:12.520 He starts kneeling, that becomes a thing.
00:13:17.120 He's at some point reaches an agreement with Nike.
00:13:21.080 And now protesting the national anthem is the greatest thing you can do in the sports world.
00:13:28.300 That's the most heroic thing you can do in the sports world.
00:13:31.320 And if you just notice, LeBron James, the demonization, the anti-American sentiment,
00:13:39.780 Colin Kaepernick, the anti-American sentiment, they're Nike spokespeople.
00:13:45.560 They get paid by Nike.
00:13:47.400 They do all these commercials with Nike.
00:13:50.160 Nike has been the ultimate American critic through the sports world.
00:13:56.380 And in doing that to make sure that China and the 1.4 billion people,
00:14:03.020 they have access to sell shoes to those people and they have access to the slave labor you can get in Asia.
00:14:11.900 That is really a pessimistic view or jaded view.
00:14:18.860 But I think you're right.
00:14:20.460 I mean, it's just like this is such a jaded view that, yep, they're just selling out their country for shoes.
00:14:28.400 But I think you're right.
00:14:30.620 Oh, it's it's I don't think there's any question about it.
00:14:34.400 When you look, look at all the human rights abuses they ignore.
00:14:40.100 They got a lot to say about America.
00:14:43.100 And then for me, Glenn, it becomes personal because there was a kid.
00:14:48.460 I played football at Ball State University.
00:14:50.240 I'm very connected to all the athletes at Ball State.
00:14:54.640 I graduated in 1990.
00:14:56.220 I probably met every football player that's ever played there since.
00:14:59.640 One of our kids, 20 years younger than me, got arrested in China on some bogus charges,
00:15:06.940 spent three years inside of a Chinese prison, black kid from Detroit.
00:15:11.700 It cost me money to get him out of that prison in China after three years.
00:15:17.860 And so I look at these LeBron James and these other athletes that go over to China every summer
00:15:23.560 to get money from China and do all these appearances and their allegiance to China.
00:15:28.480 And I just want to ask them, how do you think China treats black people?
00:15:34.180 And then in comparison to America, how do you think China treats black people who aren't
00:15:41.700 multi-millionaire international celebrities like LeBron James?
00:15:46.320 If LeBron's name, his name was Jerome James, how would he be treated in China?
00:15:54.000 And I actually know how.
00:15:56.240 Wendell Brown, that played football at Ball State, three years inside of a prison.
00:16:00.480 This is all personal.
00:16:02.000 And so the hypocrisy of the athletes, you know, I don't, and I know you were being a little
00:16:08.880 bit clever there, but I don't think I have a cynical view on Nike.
00:16:13.020 I just, these corporations and their global agenda and how we in America are so
00:16:21.400 asleep to the fact that all this money we've allowed in from foreign countries gives them
00:16:30.540 the right and the access to influence our culture.
00:16:34.340 I know.
00:16:34.760 And they're stealing America right from underneath us and we're doing nothing about it.
00:16:43.000 And our corporations are actually aiding and abetting.
00:16:46.140 Now, as I said in the opening of this podcast, I mean, all of this, I mean, it doesn't come
00:16:55.320 without working hard for it.
00:16:57.080 You don't know the hours I have spent behind a bowl of ice cream to get this body.
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00:18:25.780 Have you read much about the Great Reset yet?
00:18:29.520 No, I've heard about it.
00:18:31.940 People keep tweeting me about it, but I haven't.
00:18:34.300 You need to just go to the WorldEconomicForum.com, so it's their website, and read up.
00:18:41.660 I am convinced that some of these companies, because everyone at the global level, you know,
00:18:49.100 everyone, all the big banks all over the world, all the world leaders, they're all for it.
00:18:56.440 And I think some of these people know that a Great Reset is coming, and companies are going
00:19:05.660 to be much more like a Chinese capitalist.
00:19:10.080 It's called stakeholder.
00:19:11.500 I'm sorry.
00:19:12.080 Yes.
00:19:12.740 Stakeholder capitalism, where the government pretty much dictates who owns companies, what
00:19:18.460 you make, how you do it.
00:19:20.340 And I think some of these companies didn't make a decision between America or China.
00:19:27.940 They made a, somebody, you know, it doesn't take a lot of brains to realize, wait a minute.
00:19:34.560 So if I choose America, I not only lose China, but I also lose the rest of the world in the
00:19:42.700 end, because the, the option is go with China, the rest of the world, and, and eventually America
00:19:51.320 will be yours as well, because it's all fundamentally changing.
00:19:54.760 And it's, it is a very cynical view, but the evidence is all there.
00:19:59.920 That's what's happening to us.
00:20:01.920 It's a global change.
00:20:05.040 You've blown my mind and given me a lot to think about.
00:20:08.320 Yeah.
00:20:08.560 And my first thought is, what should we do?
00:20:11.840 What's the advice?
00:20:13.120 How do we, well, the first thing, the very first thing we have to do is inform ourselves
00:20:20.340 and be able to get this out to the people, because immediately the press says it's a
00:20:27.420 conspiracy theory.
00:20:29.140 It's not.
00:20:30.860 They're on their own website.
00:20:33.400 John Kerry just did something with the economic, World Economic Forum.
00:20:37.900 And they said, so is the great reset too aggressive, do you think, for Joe Biden?
00:20:44.620 And he said, oh no, I think people are going to be shocked at how
00:20:48.980 all-encompassing and how breathtakingly fast this is going to happen under Joe Biden.
00:20:57.460 How is that a conspiracy theory when they're saying those things and it's on their own website?
00:21:04.620 So we have to tell people.
00:21:07.680 And then the other thing that is critically important is that you make your choice now,
00:21:13.500 because otherwise you're going to be swept up into it.
00:21:17.220 And you either believe in standing for American values, American justice, you know, we're a
00:21:25.000 flawed nation, but we're trying to build a more perfect nation.
00:21:29.620 So we'll get better every day, hopefully.
00:21:31.920 Um, you have to decide whether you're going to stand in and the first stand has to be go
00:21:38.480 back to work, open your restaurant.
00:21:41.000 If you're an entrepreneur, open your store because to, for this to happen, they must have
00:21:47.800 American, uh, the American economy and the entrepreneur overwhelmed with debt and no place
00:21:55.080 to go.
00:21:59.780 Well, they've almost won.
00:22:01.280 I mean, it's almost, I mean, they're running the small business man every day.
00:22:06.380 Oh, I know.
00:22:06.860 It's, it's, I mean, we're in the, uh, we're almost at the two minute warning mark.
00:22:11.820 We may be at the two minute warning mark, but there are things we can do.
00:22:16.900 Um, and it may mean that we have to, um, regroup at a later date, uh, and, and start again, because
00:22:26.620 it's going to be, if they get their way, it's going to be bad.
00:22:29.940 It's Chinese capitalism.
00:22:32.080 I mean, you're already seeing it in the social media.
00:22:35.920 Social media is now telling us what you will and will not read whose opinion you can get,
00:22:44.340 who are the authoritative voices.
00:22:47.620 That's China.
00:22:49.080 You will listen to these authorities and not these, and they'll be banished.
00:22:54.700 It's already happening.
00:22:56.640 It's we're at the very beginning of it.
00:22:59.060 I certainly see it in social media.
00:23:01.300 Oh yeah.
00:23:02.340 Virtually every day.
00:23:03.480 And I mean, they get to tell you, it's like Jack Dorsey is one of the most powerful people
00:23:12.460 on the planet.
00:23:13.040 Oh yeah.
00:23:13.400 And we know virtually nothing about him.
00:23:16.740 He hasn't been vetted.
00:23:18.780 No.
00:23:19.600 Scrutinized.
00:23:20.160 Nothing.
00:23:20.760 Challenged.
00:23:21.840 He's Zuckerberg, virtually the same thing.
00:23:26.320 We know a bit more about him, but I just, we've given people immense authority and we
00:23:35.700 have no idea what their qualifications for that are.
00:23:38.560 Right.
00:23:38.780 Other than they have invented something.
00:23:40.740 And, and quite honestly, that's not America.
00:23:44.800 The, the constitution and the bill of rights is becoming completely meaningless because it's
00:23:53.560 not the government doing this.
00:23:55.240 It's corporations doing this.
00:23:58.140 And the bill of rights doesn't tell corporations what they can and cannot do.
00:24:02.660 I mean, it's, it's a, it's a frightening time.
00:24:04.920 Let me, let me go back to your story and, and, um, sorry to get off on that tangent with
00:24:11.740 you, but you need to read it.
00:24:13.880 Um, dead spin said that you are the racist rights unwitting attack dog.
00:24:20.080 People, people, people have accused you of, um, uh, talking to white people and defending
00:24:31.100 America and everything else and doing damage and great harm.
00:24:35.020 And you're a danger because I know I'm guilty of racism, uh, and you just make me forget about
00:24:44.960 it and dismiss it.
00:24:46.480 How do you respond to that?
00:24:48.480 Uh, dead spin certainly spent several years trying to cancel me and trying to, uh, limit
00:24:58.600 my ability to speak to a black audience and to have any credibility with black readers
00:25:05.560 or black viewers or whatever.
00:25:08.080 Uh, and it's, uh, you know, I take it somewhat as a compliment to be quite honest with you,
00:25:15.760 because I think they know that my message has value, real value for black people and for
00:25:23.300 all people in general.
00:25:24.780 But I have, I do have a mission of trying to reawaken, uh, black people to what we're losing
00:25:35.360 spiritually by, uh, by believing that anything that's labeled conservative is against us.
00:25:45.480 And I don't say that again, I don't say that in a political sense, uh, but, but I do say
00:25:51.720 it also in a political sense in terms of they've created this like cold word.
00:25:56.520 Well, if it's conservative, you can ignore it.
00:25:59.280 And so that basically means anything in the Bible, because trust me, the left is labeled
00:26:05.760 virtually everything in the Bible as conservative.
00:26:08.020 And so it's like, ignore that that's no good for you, or it's unimportant.
00:26:13.140 Your political left wing, progressive liberal identity is the most important thing to you.
00:26:20.520 And anybody that studies my work, uh, with my argument is, nah, I'm not so sure that liberal
00:26:30.940 is the greatest thing in the world.
00:26:33.160 And I'm not so sure that everything conservative is the worst thing in the world.
00:26:38.280 In fact, the conservative principles taught in the Bible, I think are the greatest thing
00:26:43.720 in the world.
00:26:44.520 And I refuse, uh, to dismiss or ignore them.
00:26:50.120 And, and I think what's really problematic is, is that I have credibility, I think with
00:26:59.240 athletes and with young people and, and, and I, they've done an amazing job of smearing
00:27:05.040 my name and reputation, but people find my content, even if they disagree with it, even
00:27:13.300 if they've been trained to disagree with it, they still read it.
00:27:17.660 They, I can still challenge the prevailing sentiment and wisdom of black Twitter or, uh, black
00:27:27.620 progressive liberal ideology.
00:27:30.140 Uh, my voice is still out there and being consumed by black people.
00:27:34.780 And so I think then standing up progressives find me a threat and, you know, they've smeared
00:27:41.200 me in every way possible.
00:27:42.440 I've Thomas Sowell's been through the same thing.
00:27:45.160 Uh, every other, Shelby still, every other black conservative, Ben Carson, uh, every other
00:27:52.200 black person that sticks to any kind of conservative values that has any kind of public platform
00:27:57.980 goes through this.
00:28:00.820 Uh, it's the black community waking up to.
00:28:04.780 That, I mean, that is really, truly the moves of oppressors.
00:28:09.060 You do and believe as I say, or I will destroy you.
00:28:14.560 I mean, that's the oppressor.
00:28:17.120 That is, I don't have a right among white liberals to think the things that I think.
00:28:24.780 And, uh, black liberals are incentivized to attack me.
00:28:32.840 Right.
00:28:33.140 And to paint me as outside the black norm.
00:28:37.280 Uh, and I'm, I am not remotely new to this.
00:28:42.420 It's a game all the way back to Booker T.
00:28:44.660 Washington.
00:28:44.920 Oh yeah, I know.
00:28:45.620 They smeared him and he didn't do anything but great things for black people and for
00:28:51.280 America smeared him and lifted up W.E.B.
00:28:55.400 Du Bois as if he's the greatest thing in the world.
00:28:59.240 And he came up with one of the most racist theories in the history of the planet, the
00:29:03.340 talented temp.
00:29:04.140 I have to, I have to tell you, I think that that was the point in black history where it
00:29:13.420 flipped.
00:29:13.860 I mean, Booker T, when he was alive and when you're here next time, I, cause I know you're
00:29:20.480 a Booker T fan.
00:29:21.560 I thought you were coming in today.
00:29:23.240 I brought a box of his handwritten, uh, notes and thoughts on education and, and, uh, you
00:29:31.960 know, the responsibilities of being black.
00:29:34.100 It's amazing.
00:29:35.000 It's just a, uh, just, I just got it a few months ago.
00:29:39.540 It's just loose notes from all of his speeches when he was thinking things through, uh, before
00:29:47.140 they actually got to their final, uh, draft, but you'll love it.
00:29:51.060 But as I, as I read Booker T and then I see what W.E.B.
00:29:57.260 did, right after he died, there was this effort to demonize him, destroy everything that he
00:30:09.260 believed in, um, and take African Americans into this really, which I think is happening
00:30:16.980 again, dark, dark place.
00:30:20.960 Would you agree that that was a major turning point?
00:30:24.440 I, I, I don't know if I know as much about it as you do based off of what you're telling
00:30:32.760 me, the information you have, but I certainly know there was a concerted effort to destroy
00:30:39.400 the image, legacy and reputation of Booker T Washington and lift up W.E.B.
00:30:44.940 DuBois as if he was the greatest man of that era.
00:30:48.780 And I've always rejected it just based off of W.E.B.
00:30:54.700 came up with the theory, the talented 10th, the most elitist theory in the world, that
00:31:00.260 there was this 10% of African Americans who were meant to excel and they would take care
00:31:07.580 of the other 90%.
00:31:09.020 And he eventually, to his credit, disavowed that theory, but it still lives on.
00:31:16.000 People still talk about the talented 10th.
00:31:18.340 It's a joke.
00:31:19.260 And so I do think what you're talking, what you've pinpointed is the birthplace of the
00:31:26.760 split and the, the kernel, the thought, the seed that was planted that LBJ and the great
00:31:34.860 society said, okay, it's time to harvest this or harvest this fruit or back to this and replant
00:31:44.660 and grow from there.
00:31:46.080 I do think Booker T and W.E.B., they represent that.
00:31:50.280 Do you believe that, and I, this is one of the things I want to research, you know, in
00:31:57.200 my old age, I've got a list of a few things.
00:32:00.160 I just want to know the answer, but it'll take me years to find it.
00:32:04.000 I have this theory that you, you don't, you're not the racist that LBJ was in 1960 and then
00:32:15.960 suddenly be the champion of civil rights and still say many of the same things behind closed
00:32:25.260 doors.
00:32:25.720 Because I, because the, the, um, great society, that package was poison to the spirit and to
00:32:39.440 the, uh, effort of the free man, um, and the free thinker, it's just, it's destroyed marriages
00:32:48.300 in the black community and families.
00:32:50.260 Do you think they knew that when they put this together, was this a, uh, racist attempt?
00:32:58.440 Yeah.
00:32:59.180 There's no question about it.
00:33:00.920 And I'm going to make an analogy that, uh, will be a bit controversial, even for me.
00:33:07.560 Uh, because one, I'm not, I've heard some people say it was a myth that, uh, the settlers
00:33:16.520 put smallpox in blankets and sent them to native Americans.
00:33:22.300 Some people say that's a myth that it didn't happen.
00:33:24.520 Some people say that it did, but LBJ, the great society is smallpox in a blanket and, and
00:33:32.800 it's, Hey, this is going to keep you warm.
00:33:34.900 It's going to protect you at night.
00:33:37.180 It's going to be better than a father.
00:33:39.180 You don't even need the father in the home.
00:33:41.020 And literally the great society is a blanket that has been poisoned.
00:33:46.040 And it's really there for you to wrap yourself in and die.
00:33:51.340 If I'm not mistaken, in 1960, African-Americans had a better record at entrepreneurship.
00:33:59.360 Um, they had the, the most stable marriages and stable families, more stable than whites
00:34:07.080 were, and then 10 years later, that's all destroyed.
00:34:12.440 Come on.
00:34:14.140 I think the stable marriages deal is true for the 1920s, but I do believe in the 1960s, we're
00:34:22.760 at about 84%, uh, kids born into two parent homes and, uh, certainly the great society,
00:34:30.780 the welfare check and all the other programs.
00:34:33.080 Yep.
00:34:34.240 Taking look, integration, taking kid forced integration.
00:34:38.800 I might say taking kids from their neighborhood school and sending them out of their neighborhoods
00:34:45.140 away from the teachers and principals that their parents actually knew.
00:34:50.240 It was all a mistake, Glenn.
00:34:52.680 And it was not, I don't think it was, uh, calling it a mistake.
00:34:57.980 It was a calculated decision.
00:34:59.740 Okay.
00:35:00.100 And, and again, the, the thing I, well, the reason I compare it to native Americans is
00:35:06.100 because I do think it was intended to destroy us.
00:35:13.300 And if you go back to, uh, Patrick Monahan and, and the Monahan report that was done under
00:35:20.720 LBJ and then rejected by LBJ and, and Monahan pointed out like, no, no, we have to invest in
00:35:28.280 the, at that time, Negro family.
00:35:30.500 We have to invest in black families.
00:35:33.140 There's a crisis here.
00:35:34.760 And if we don't invest in the black family, there's going to, it's just going to get horrible
00:35:40.760 for black people.
00:35:41.600 Yep.
00:35:42.600 And we did just the opposite.
00:35:43.960 Yeah.
00:35:44.640 And I just don't, I just don't believe that the guy who's one of the most racist had this
00:35:52.280 big change of heart and then accidentally gave a smallpox blanket.
00:35:58.440 Just don't buy it.
00:36:00.140 It was not an accident.
00:36:02.840 And the fact that we haven't awakened to this reality, this obvious truth that's staring us
00:36:12.660 in the face that, and that's what gets me so upset when we start defund the police and let's
00:36:19.080 do this, let's do that.
00:36:20.820 It starts with the family.
00:36:23.580 There have been no great societies built without families.
00:36:28.120 You can't sustain yourself without family.
00:36:32.820 You know, it's an interesting thing.
00:36:34.300 Um, because I think that there are good intentioned people that I know, cause I've met them, um,
00:36:43.300 that have marched with black lives matter, but they had no idea what the organization was.
00:36:53.200 And they were just like, yeah, I want somebody to listen.
00:36:55.740 Cause we are a community on fire.
00:36:58.620 Um, but once they know what black lives matter really stands for, which one of their tenants
00:37:05.960 is destroy the nuclear family, that's not just a black thing.
00:37:12.320 That's a black, white, Chinese, Indian, every family you've got to destroy the nuclear family.
00:37:20.860 That's poison, intentional poison.
00:37:25.060 What has to happen, I think for white liberals in order for us to move beyond this is I think
00:37:38.360 a lot of people adopt the liberal label just because it's like, I'm liberal.
00:37:46.780 You can never call me racist.
00:37:48.260 Right.
00:37:49.080 And so I'm not going to ever give up that label.
00:37:53.360 And if I put on the conservative label, oh my God, you can call me racist.
00:37:57.620 You can call me sexist.
00:37:59.020 You can call me homophobic.
00:38:00.740 That's just too much of a burden to bear.
00:38:04.000 And so I want to just appeal to people, Americans, just like, hey man, being American and protecting
00:38:14.400 what we built in this country requires hard work.
00:38:19.180 It requires you taking a risk.
00:38:22.480 You can't just sit here and say, well, you know, those people 150 years ago, they were
00:38:28.600 willing to die for America.
00:38:30.500 But I'm not even willing to give up this liberal label that I know is BS, that I know has justified
00:38:39.120 a lot of things that have harmed my country.
00:38:41.460 We're not even willing to make that small sacrifice, give up that label, engage in the marketplace
00:38:50.800 of ideas, because that's what has been destroyed with this liberal label in my mind right now
00:38:56.960 is because anything they disagree with, oh, that's racist, that's sexist, that's homophobic.
00:39:01.700 We can't even have a conversation.
00:39:03.940 We can't have a debate about ideas.
00:39:06.420 I was called a racist for saying that Barack Obama, this is the exact quote, I think Barack
00:39:13.380 Obama is a racist.
00:39:14.920 No, wait, that's not right.
00:39:17.760 He just seems to have some sort of deep-seated hatred for the white culture.
00:39:23.800 I didn't know at the time what critical race theory is.
00:39:27.480 I didn't know what it was.
00:39:28.660 What I was feeling was critical race theory.
00:39:36.300 That's what that was.
00:39:37.840 Now we know it.
00:39:40.060 And nobody's, nobody, I was called a racist to silence, to be destroyed.
00:39:47.180 It was an honest, something's not right here.
00:39:51.380 Something is not right.
00:39:52.880 Well, Glenn, a lot of times, well, it's not even about you.
00:39:58.980 No, I know.
00:39:59.460 It's a message to everyone else.
00:40:01.800 Oh, I know.
00:40:03.100 Don't you do that, because what we just did to Glenn Beck, we'll do to you.
00:40:06.760 Oh, I know.
00:40:07.140 What we just did to Jason Whitlock, we'll do to you.
00:40:10.160 And so no one is even willing to come to your defense and say like, hey, you know, I know
00:40:17.580 Glenn.
00:40:18.820 You know, he's a big thinker.
00:40:19.980 He's not a racist.
00:40:20.880 Maybe he said something imprecise.
00:40:24.520 Yeah.
00:40:24.720 But he's not a racist.
00:40:25.960 Right.
00:40:26.200 And any time you engage in high level conversations that are honest.
00:40:32.500 Yeah.
00:40:32.960 You're probably going to say something that could be construed as insensitive.
00:40:37.120 Right.
00:40:37.320 That's the price of doing business.
00:40:39.440 And that's what that was, was a, because I followed it up with, no, that's not quite right.
00:40:44.640 I'm, I was trying to noodle it out thinking we lived in an America where you could noodle
00:40:50.720 things out.
00:40:52.060 Well, when you can't noodle something out, when you can't talk to each other without fear
00:40:59.700 of, I mean, I had no problem people looking at me and none of them did at the time.
00:41:04.120 Um, but looking at me and going, oh, wait a minute, that's really offensive.
00:41:09.280 And then having a conversation instead, everybody's shutting up and then knowing what's coming and
00:41:14.660 just, you take it by yourself.
00:41:16.100 I want nothing to do with it, especially on something like Marxism.
00:41:20.240 Where now I was also called a racist because I said, I think he's a Marxist.
00:41:26.780 I think he has Marxist tendencies, racist.
00:41:31.080 Well, now you're saying these Marxist things.
00:41:35.380 You're admitting you're a Marxist and it's not racist now.
00:41:40.540 Why is this a badge of honor when a few years ago is a racist?
00:41:44.200 The only reason is to set an example, shut up.
00:41:49.280 We'll talk about it when we decide to talk about it.
00:41:55.080 Glenn, one of the things, it's one of the reasons why I've never given up on writing
00:42:01.000 because I, one, I know how dangerous it is out here when you're trying to, uh, express
00:42:09.260 new ideas and so that's why I love, I love being a writer and I'll, I'll never again give
00:42:17.000 up a written platform because I like to write about things first and then talk about it.
00:42:23.460 And if anybody wants to question what I said, go read my column, my exact thoughts are right
00:42:31.140 there in my column.
00:42:32.080 That's, that's the foundation.
00:42:33.660 And again, it doesn't provide you the ultimate protection, but it does provide you some,
00:42:37.840 some protection, uh, because again, these, I gotta say this other side is very clever
00:42:44.340 and they're very invested in, uh, they got a lot of financial backing and, and guys like
00:42:51.820 yourself, guys like every word that I've written probably since 1994 has been scrutinized and
00:43:01.640 hunted down, looking for something.
00:43:04.200 And he said this in 1996, it's, it's the price of doing business today.
00:43:11.700 So let me take you a jump some years here and go back to 2013.
00:43:17.840 You were hired by ESPN to write the undefeated, which would explore race, sports, and culture.
00:43:25.760 You were hired to build that.
00:43:31.260 And before it went on the phone, on the air, they removed you as a guy who doesn't know
00:43:38.940 the history of, you know, shows on ESPN.
00:43:42.060 That seems strange.
00:43:43.520 What happened?
00:43:45.440 Uh, I, John Skipper, who was the president at that time hired me because he thought I was
00:43:54.620 the best sports writer in the country and there, and therefore he thought I was the best black
00:44:02.600 sports writer in the country and it was, it's supposed to be a written platform.
00:44:07.180 And so he wanted the best.
00:44:09.020 He didn't vet his decision with the politicians within ESPN.
00:44:15.120 There was no disagreement about how good I was as a sports writer, but there was a lot of
00:44:23.780 disagreement about my point of view and you can't allow a conservative to lead a website
00:44:31.280 for black people.
00:44:32.820 It cannot happen.
00:44:33.920 ESPN can't back that.
00:44:35.780 And so for two years, uh, the politicians within ESPN, uh, the leftists at Gawker and
00:44:45.720 Deadspin, uh, waged a war against me.
00:44:50.300 And, uh, eventually I think ESPN settled on, well, we're going to keep him around and we'll
00:44:57.740 get him to write a, uh, handbook on how we should do the undefeated.
00:45:06.100 We'll get his ideas and then we'll dismiss him.
00:45:10.240 And so they, they had a guy that they'd send out to LA to take notes and allegedly helped
00:45:16.680 me, uh, orchestrate the undefeated.
00:45:19.780 Uh, they, you know, they didn't allow me to hire anybody for about a year.
00:45:24.500 And then after two years, they finally, after I'd written a handbook on here's what the
00:45:29.960 undefeated should be, they let me go and they handed the project, uh, to a guy named Kevin
00:45:35.720 Merida that worked at the Washington post who had the right kind of politics to do the site.
00:45:42.220 Uh, but you know, and I, I gotta be careful.
00:45:45.840 I want, cause I'm, there's like 40, 50 black journalists that have jobs because of the undefeated
00:45:51.740 and I've, I've never been critical of the undefeated, but the site doesn't have teeth and
00:45:57.360 it, it, it, it under the other guy's leadership and what it's, it's, it's a pretty harmless
00:46:03.200 site.
00:46:03.820 I'm glad people have jobs, but they have not published a lot of important work.
00:46:09.860 Did you know Don Imus?
00:46:11.840 Yeah.
00:46:12.440 That's one of the things that launched me on a national platform when he said the nappy
00:46:18.080 headed holes, you know, 2006 or 2007, I wrote a piece that said, defending, I wasn't much
00:46:26.800 of a defensive hand, but it was more like, does he matter?
00:46:29.700 We don't listen to him.
00:46:30.720 We don't even know who he is.
00:46:32.240 And there's all this vile stuff and rap music that we know every word to.
00:46:37.040 Yeah.
00:46:37.540 There's all these TV shows and celebrities and black people.
00:46:41.440 We all kind of disrespect we have towards each other.
00:46:44.740 We need to deal with that.
00:46:46.880 Don Imus does.
00:46:48.260 I've never listened.
00:46:49.360 I had never listened to Don Imus's show before that moment.
00:46:53.340 And most black people hadn't.
00:46:55.340 So how could he be that important to us?
00:46:58.700 And that's when Oprah had me on.
00:47:01.360 Cause at that time you could actually have opinions like that.
00:47:05.480 Yeah.
00:47:07.080 But yeah, I know who Don Imus is.
00:47:08.920 So Don was a good friend of mine and not a racist bone in his body that I ever saw.
00:47:15.920 He treated everybody like crap.
00:47:19.040 I mean, and I like, I mean, I have a dark sense of humor and he would, he would write
00:47:25.460 to me, he'd send me an email just of a screenshot of me and he'd go, and all it would say is
00:47:30.560 you're fat.
00:47:31.820 You know, he just busted on every, on everybody.
00:47:38.740 Is there going to be a time when we're going to be able to just bust on everybody again and
00:47:46.420 just be honest and let it fly?
00:47:48.000 Uh, yeah, I think eventually I'm hopeful we're going to get back there because I don't think
00:48:00.040 what we're doing right now is sustainable because it's so fraudulent.
00:48:05.640 It's so dishonest and everybody knows it.
00:48:09.500 And so I just don't think that can be sustained forever.
00:48:13.080 Now it has lasted longer than I thought because the same question in a different form, I can
00:48:22.680 remember an executive at Fox sports asked me six years ago, seven years ago, like, Hey man,
00:48:31.160 how long do you think this is going to last?
00:48:32.780 When, when do you think we're going to get back to normal?
00:48:35.440 And I, I, at that time I thought it would be two or three years.
00:48:38.980 Here we are seven years later and it's still ongoing, but I, I just, I see certain people
00:48:47.500 online starting to play the other side, starting to just let it rip and be themselves and build
00:48:55.180 a following and an audience.
00:48:56.780 And I'm hoping there's enough capitalism left in America that capitalism will win and that
00:49:04.200 people will go where the money is.
00:49:06.620 Because right now I don't think people, there's money being pumped into the left wing stuff,
00:49:13.900 but it's not really from consumers.
00:49:16.280 It's from benefactors.
00:49:18.700 Yeah, it is.
00:49:19.640 It is.
00:49:20.240 And I, and I, um, I think that's the only way this survives is, I mean, that's why the great
00:49:26.260 reset is so terrifying.
00:49:28.480 That's why what Silicon Valley does is so terrifying.
00:49:31.280 Cause the only way, um, to sustain something this unnatural is through force, through total
00:49:41.900 control.
00:49:43.440 Um, and that's, and, and I would love your, I wonder, cause I've, I've been saying this
00:49:50.540 for a good five years, this tech deal and so much of it concentrated in Northern California,
00:49:59.040 big tech and these tech billionaires overnight billionaires.
00:50:03.960 And that's giving people a lot of power, that much money.
00:50:09.000 And so that's what I see, like sustaining all this, that there's such a concentration
00:50:14.760 of big tech wealth in Northern California and the culture of Northern California is being
00:50:22.080 spread all over the country.
00:50:24.020 And that's what is their money endless is.
00:50:30.620 Oh my gosh.
00:50:31.760 Yeah.
00:50:32.680 When 5g hits and the internet of things, it's, it's, it's mind boggling how it's going to
00:50:40.540 change and how much power and control those that control those portals will, will have,
00:50:48.540 you know, bring, let me bring it back full circle.
00:50:50.520 I was just going through, you were in our museum in the vault and, uh, yesterday I was
00:50:56.320 in there and I was going through some stuff.
00:50:58.160 We're trying to organize and I found a document, um, that is the founding document of Silicon
00:51:07.080 Valley.
00:51:08.020 And it was, we need a high tech zone in, uh, Northern California.
00:51:15.100 It was a nationwide thing.
00:51:17.020 We're going to put it in Northern California and it's going to be an entrepreneurial high
00:51:24.220 tech place called Silicon Valley.
00:51:27.860 You know who deemed it that?
00:51:31.920 Lyndon B.
00:51:33.700 Johnson.
00:51:34.660 I have the letter from him.
00:51:38.160 It's astonishing.
00:51:39.820 It's astonishing.
00:51:40.880 Same group of people.
00:51:43.560 Wow.
00:51:44.500 Yeah.
00:51:45.420 You just blow my mind.
00:51:46.740 Yeah.
00:51:47.120 It's amazing.
00:51:48.020 It's amazing.
00:51:48.600 And, you know, I've told some people here in Nashville that if people that believe in
00:51:57.140 America and traditional America, if we're not willing to organize and write up documents
00:52:07.240 saying what we're going to do and what we're going to build, we're going to lose the country.
00:52:13.480 I said, because the other side is organized and they're doing, but, and they got, but I
00:52:19.540 think we don't have to, we don't have to come up with anything new.
00:52:24.120 I cannot think of a greater mission statement than we believe it's self-evident that all men are created equal and they have certain inalienable rights from God and governments are instituted among men to protect those rights.
00:52:42.080 And I just don't think there's a bigger idea than that.
00:52:47.540 And we have, we've never been that country.
00:52:51.760 We've had places where we were a little closer and a little further away from it.
00:52:55.980 But tell me what a goal should be for, for a nation or for a group of people that would be better than that.
00:53:07.660 I don't have something better than, than maybe the solution is somebody less caustic has to take the baton from Trump.
00:53:23.660 So somebody smooth with as much resolve has to take the baton.
00:53:34.880 I agree with you.
00:53:36.180 And then again, I don't, um, because I don't, I never liked the tweets.
00:53:42.240 I never liked the way he would make fun of people, et cetera, et cetera.
00:53:45.560 It bothered me.
00:53:46.400 Um, however, he's a human bulldozer or a human wrecking ball.
00:53:55.360 And it was his unwillingness to flinch when all the guns were pointed to him.
00:54:03.500 And he's like, I don't care.
00:54:05.300 You're weasels.
00:54:06.240 It was that, that allowed him to expose everything he did because they exposed themselves because they didn't know what to do.
00:54:18.940 I agree with you.
00:54:21.860 I think there's a time and a place for everything.
00:54:26.080 And, and I think for the four, I don't know if he could have played it any other way and survive, but I think now it's crystal clear that, cause here's my takeaway from the election.
00:54:43.600 I believe there was a lot of corruption and I do believe the election was stolen.
00:54:47.840 That's my opinion.
00:54:48.840 Right.
00:54:48.980 Uh, but how did they get so many thieves?
00:54:54.060 How many, how did they get so many conspirators?
00:54:57.160 And it's because, and look, I agree with Trump, the media is fake and it's, it's irresponsible, but, but they got so many people to be involved in that conspiracy or fraud because they convinced them that they were stopping America's Adolf Hitler, Donald Trump.
00:55:18.660 So I completely agree with you.
00:55:23.240 Um, the difference between Trump and Reagan, do you remember, you remember Reagan very clearly, right?
00:55:31.600 Um, they tried to do this to Reagan in a softer way.
00:55:36.500 They tried to paint him as a monster and a warmonger, but he always deflected with just great humor, you know?
00:55:45.700 Um, and so he had charm and humor instead of bombast, uh, and boxing gloves.
00:55:54.800 And so my fear right now is that the same way they baited everyone into like, look, we got to cheat and this ain't even cheating because we're stopping Hitler.
00:56:08.900 Right.
00:56:09.080 It's the same thing going on right now in terms of president Trump.
00:56:16.080 And I say it respectfully, I'm not trying to denigrate, but, but he's the distraction in terms of why people can't see like, Hey man, China's overtaking this country and the things that you value, you guys can get all upset about, uh, the guy in the white house, but you're ignoring what China is doing to this country.
00:56:37.960 And so I got to, I want someone who can get us to focus.
00:56:46.780 And I'm, do you see that person?
00:56:50.380 No, I, I really, I really don't.
00:56:53.520 And I'm going to say this, I could say this on your show.
00:56:57.300 Glenn, it may take someone black.
00:57:00.800 It, it, it, I don't care what color they are.
00:57:03.400 No, no, but it may, to, to get, to take the race thing off the table, because that's one of their biggest, uh, tools is race, race, race, race, you know, everybody's racist.
00:57:16.360 If you, if you say you're against China, well, that's racist.
00:57:19.400 You say, you know, it may take someone black.
00:57:23.680 It's why I didn't agree with Barack Obama before he became president.
00:57:30.080 I didn't agree with his policies.
00:57:31.740 The whole Jeremiah Wright thing made me very nervous about who he actually was.
00:57:36.340 But actually on the day he was elected, I got on the air the next day and I said, well, let's hope for the best because he's all of our president now.
00:57:45.720 And I don't want any president of the United States to fail.
00:57:48.840 So let's hope for the best because this guy, if he believes the words of, I'm not a, I don't see things black or white.
00:57:59.220 I see as a human thing, we're all supposed to come together.
00:58:04.300 He had the greatest chance to just push that right over, uh, you know, the, uh, the goal line.
00:58:13.040 All he had to do is just, just push gently.
00:58:16.380 Instead, he ran the ball the other direction.
00:58:20.340 He, he certainly did.
00:58:22.180 Um, if, if, and, and I, I try not to be, cause I'm, I've, I've never really been critical of any president.
00:58:31.560 Uh, but where Barack let me down is I did think he was going to be more of a racial unifier.
00:58:40.020 Uh, and, and I thought he would, because he on the surface has a great family, I thought he would be.
00:58:52.180 A champion of families and particularly the black family and that's the fundamental issue for black people.
00:59:03.200 It's our family structure.
00:59:04.960 And I thought he would hammer that.
00:59:07.600 He could have, but he could, I'm careful to say this.
00:59:12.020 He could have so easily been Bill Cosby without all the rape stuff.
00:59:17.080 Yes.
00:59:17.680 And that would have been, it would have been the, it would have put to bed all of this stuff because every, I mean, back in the eighties before the rape stuff or the, we knew about it.
00:59:29.800 Cosby was everyone's dad or everyone's dream of a dad.
00:59:36.120 You know what I mean?
00:59:36.780 That was, I didn't, I don't care what color you were.
00:59:39.840 That was the family you wanted to live in.
00:59:42.720 No question.
00:59:45.260 And I, look, I don't, I don't know if there's anybody out there, black or white who, uh.
00:59:53.500 Well, you could announce, you could announce for 2024.
00:59:58.720 I wouldn't even vote for myself.
01:00:01.740 But, uh, yeah, I know that feeling, but there's gotta be somebody out there who has had enough, uh, black, white, Hispanic, just somebody out there.
01:00:18.100 And, and, and, you know, I know the media makes it so hard because they require, the requirement now is you have to have lived this perfect life.
01:00:28.420 And if we find out you did anything, we'll, you know, we'll try to destroy you.
01:00:33.640 But, you know, I, I guess if, and I don't even know where Colin Powell is politically, but like if there was some Colin Powell out there 20 years younger.
01:00:44.700 Yeah.
01:00:45.400 Um, you know, it would be an ideal time for, for him.
01:00:51.180 And, but is he a Democrat?
01:00:53.340 I can't remember.
01:00:54.180 I think he's, I'm not sure which he is, but he's a globalist.
01:00:57.580 So, you know, the problem is, is trying to find somebody or anyone who can truly articulate a, a true aspirational vision for all Americans to strive, to strive for, you know what I mean?
01:01:17.740 There's, we have to have somebody who believes it in their gut.
01:01:21.620 You know, I think the one thing about Donald Trump is he believed in capitalism and he believed America was the greatest.
01:01:31.420 Um, but we need somebody who can then articulate that in an aspirational way.
01:01:38.980 So people look at it and go, I want to be like that.
01:01:42.720 I want a part of that.
01:01:44.520 You know, Donald Trump was this, this love hate thing where you spent a lot of time going, I know, I know, I know, I know.
01:01:54.340 I agree with you on that.
01:01:55.500 I know.
01:01:56.060 But, you know, we, we, we, we all kind of felt like there was this part of him I really love.
01:02:03.240 And then why does he do this?
01:02:06.280 You know, I'm going to give you, this is like throwing Hail Marys and it's crazy.
01:02:11.440 It's an uncle, you know, who I think of is Tony Dungy, the football coach.
01:02:19.920 That guy.
01:02:21.240 I love him.
01:02:22.560 Yes.
01:02:23.440 He's great American, great Christian, great family man.
01:02:29.000 Yep.
01:02:29.880 Very measured.
01:02:32.340 Uh, I, you know, we just had a reality.
01:02:38.340 He stars.
01:02:39.420 Why not a coach?
01:02:40.240 But you know what?
01:02:43.080 That's really the role of the president.
01:02:46.220 The role of the president is the coach.
01:02:49.760 He's not a dictator.
01:02:51.580 He's not the chief lawmaker.
01:02:54.160 He's a guy who says, look, here's where we want to go.
01:02:59.300 Kennedy, he didn't put the space program together.
01:03:03.460 He just said, here's what we're going to do.
01:03:06.920 And we're going to do it by the end of the decade.
01:03:10.300 That's a coach.
01:03:13.140 That is a coach.
01:03:14.980 And we should call Tony.
01:03:17.860 I will.
01:03:19.340 Yeah.
01:03:19.940 Yeah.
01:03:20.820 Tell me what he says.
01:03:22.100 Tell me what he says.
01:03:24.900 I'm sure he's going to say, I don't want to be president.
01:03:29.080 Let me, let me go back to sports here and political correctness.
01:03:33.520 I have this theory and I, I'm probably wrong, but the Washington Redskins have been the Washington
01:03:42.120 Redskins.
01:03:42.700 It's not racist.
01:03:44.040 The owner knows it's not racist.
01:03:46.440 It was a, it was a badge of honor for the first coach who was a red skin.
01:03:53.960 I mean, it's, it's not, it was not racist.
01:03:58.420 And that guy fought and fought and fought and fought.
01:04:02.220 And I thought he'd fight till his dying breath.
01:04:04.960 Is the name, the Washington football team, a placeholder?
01:04:11.960 Cause he's not coming up with anything else.
01:04:14.280 Fine.
01:04:14.840 I'll call it the Washington football team.
01:04:17.040 And when all this nonsense is over, I'll give it a name.
01:04:21.340 Probably the Washington Redskins.
01:04:25.080 That's interesting.
01:04:26.500 I'm not sure what the delay is.
01:04:30.400 I think they, didn't they announce that that is now the name they're sticking with it.
01:04:35.140 Yeah.
01:04:35.780 They're sticking with it for until they can figure out what to call themselves.
01:04:39.380 Uh, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not sure.
01:04:44.840 I'm not surprised that he raised the white flag because he's in the crosshairs.
01:04:50.080 He's a, they've done story after story about sexual harassment and they've been trying to connect it to Daniel Snyder.
01:04:57.840 They, they, he's in the crosshairs.
01:05:00.620 They, they've been after this guy for a decade and here in the last year, last year or two things got really hot.
01:05:08.960 Now, fortunately, he's done, he's made some good hires.
01:05:12.640 The football coach, Ron Rivera is doing a nice job.
01:05:15.620 I think they won four or five games in a row, have a chance of making the playoffs.
01:05:20.040 They hired a team president.
01:05:21.720 Um, I can't think of his name right now, but some black guy, uh, their team president.
01:05:28.340 And so he's fought them off, held them at bay pretty good.
01:05:33.360 And maybe they'll have enough success and there'll be enough heat off of him in two years from now.
01:05:38.760 Maybe they do return to call themselves the Redskins.
01:05:41.180 I'm not sure.
01:05:41.720 I have to tell you this story.
01:05:43.680 I just thought of it.
01:05:44.300 You'll appreciate this.
01:05:45.680 I'm 18 years old.
01:05:47.380 I know nothing about sports.
01:05:49.180 I know nothing about the East coast.
01:05:51.240 I grow up in Seattle.
01:05:52.860 I get a job, um, as a producer for the morning show in Washington, DC.
01:06:00.260 I go out the first day for a job interview and I'm supposed to just kind of talk to all the people and see, you know, what I think.
01:06:07.560 The program director at the end of the day, he, uh, comes in, he says,
01:06:10.800 so what do you think of everybody?
01:06:12.580 And I said, well, I have to tell you, I don't know who the hell that sports guy thinks he is, but he is, he is just, uh, a loud mouth all the time.
01:06:25.080 And he said, you don't know who he thinks he is.
01:06:29.200 Well, he thinks he's Joe Theismann from, from the Washington Redskins.
01:06:36.540 And I'm like, okay, he's staying, he's staying.
01:06:40.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:48.140 They called him Joe Heisman in college.
01:06:50.300 I know, I know, I know.
01:06:52.920 Um, I want to ask you, um, one question.
01:06:56.240 I read this in a column of yours.
01:06:58.740 I think it was last summer.
01:07:00.220 You were talking about growing up in Indianapolis and you said, Jimmy Whitlock, my dad, quit working the assembly line at Chrysler Motor Company and started his own business in the early 1970s because his supervisor questioned him about reading the autobiography of Malcolm X on their lunch break.
01:07:19.300 Uh, you know, my dad worked at Chrysler and, uh, you know, he eventually opened a barbershop and then opened a neighborhood tavern in Indianapolis in the inner city.
01:07:39.280 And he did so because, uh, his boss or his supervisor questioned him about reading the autobiography of Malcolm X.
01:07:47.420 And my dad said, I don't want to work anywhere where they're questioning me about what book I read.
01:07:55.420 Okay.
01:07:55.900 I didn't know if he was reading it or the boss was reading it.
01:08:00.420 No, no, no.
01:08:01.160 My dad.
01:08:01.820 Okay.
01:08:02.120 Your dad was reading it.
01:08:03.160 So I understand that.
01:08:04.680 Now, uh, was he, uh, was he investigating?
01:08:09.600 Uh, like all of us would, you know, I've read Martin Luther King, I've read Malcolm X.
01:08:14.460 I'm trying to now, I'm trying now to figure your dad out.
01:08:18.800 He's either really open-minded and reading everybody as we all should.
01:08:23.380 Um, or there's a conflict because isn't he the root of your love for Booker T, your dad?
01:08:30.940 Yeah.
01:08:31.660 And so take, you know, this is happening in the early 1970s.
01:08:37.260 My dad's reading this book, but my, my dad as a kid and as a young person, uh, you know,
01:08:45.780 went through some crap here in America, real scars.
01:08:49.880 And you got in the seventies, you know, it's about a decade or so after, uh, Malcolm X has
01:08:58.100 been assassinated.
01:08:59.440 Uh, the book is popular.
01:09:02.280 It's written by Alex Hayes.
01:09:03.360 My dad's reading the book, like a lot of people were reading that book as one of the wildly
01:09:08.280 popular books, uh, in the world.
01:09:10.900 But my dad, uh, if you understand Malcolm X or the nation of Islam, uh, it's all about
01:09:19.480 self-responsibility and taking, uh, responsibility for your life and for, uh, the progress of black
01:09:29.440 people.
01:09:29.700 And that's something my dad believed in.
01:09:32.220 And he, you know, he certainly believed in Booker Washington's mentality of cast down
01:09:38.260 your bucket.
01:09:39.440 Basically, you know, Booker T Washington was the property, the original America first guy,
01:09:46.820 you know, born here instead of dreaming about doing something a hundred miles away, a thousand
01:09:54.080 miles away, a hundred miles away, a hundred miles away, a hundred miles away, start right
01:09:56.920 here.
01:09:57.280 And so that was my dad's mentality.
01:09:59.040 He built a barbershop in the neighborhood he grew up in, eventually, uh, built two bars,
01:10:08.460 uh, in the inner city where he'd live.
01:10:12.080 And my dad loved being around black people, loved working with black people, loved socializing
01:10:18.900 with black people.
01:10:19.940 And so he built a business and a life basically in the neighborhood he grew up in or in the
01:10:25.940 city he grew up in and found his happiness in America, right where he planted his bucket.
01:10:33.020 He built a brand new home, uh, like a mile from his bar and he existed in a small little
01:10:41.080 world.
01:10:42.600 Uh, but he was happy there.
01:10:44.440 And, uh, you know, I think my dad was influenced by Booker T Washington.
01:10:49.240 I think he was influenced by Malcolm X.
01:10:51.940 Um, and you know, he certainly had a big influence on me.
01:10:57.860 Um, last question.
01:10:59.400 Um, I understand your dad's, uh, era somewhat as much as anybody our age can not living through
01:11:10.220 it.
01:11:10.380 Um, one of the, I think one of the most tragic stories, um, that didn't end in violence,
01:11:18.400 um, is Nina Simone.
01:11:21.380 Uh, she's, are you familiar with Nina Simone?
01:11:25.260 Singer?
01:11:26.000 Yeah, Singer.
01:11:27.020 She's far superior to, uh, Ella Fitzgerald.
01:11:31.400 I mean, I think she is, she is the, the greatest jazz voice and talent, I think, of the 20th
01:11:41.140 century.
01:11:42.120 Um, and she had been so horribly abused by her husbands and she couldn't get an education.
01:11:51.940 I think in the state of South Carolina is where she, uh, where she grew up because she was
01:11:57.680 black.
01:11:58.420 So she went to, uh, New York, the Juilliard took her.
01:12:02.420 The woman was a genius and the struggle that she had gone through, the struggle that the
01:12:09.720 sixties were, and then she snapped with the killing of Martin Luther King.
01:12:15.800 She just snapped.
01:12:16.680 It was, it's over.
01:12:17.840 Um, and she, she went into the Black Panther parties and she was like, I mean, one of her
01:12:24.640 songs is, uh, I think it's, excuse the language, fuck Mississippi.
01:12:31.280 I think the name of it is in 1968, um, or goddamn Mississippi.
01:12:36.940 That's what it is.
01:12:38.140 Um, and, uh, and she became more and more anti-American, et cetera, et cetera.
01:12:45.060 She actually moved to Africa that didn't work out.
01:12:48.420 Then she moved to France and now nobody knows her name really when she was, she should be
01:12:56.320 known by everyone in America for her talent.
01:13:02.500 The reason why I bring this up is I understand the anger and the vitriol and everything from
01:13:09.760 that generation, can you compare any of your dad's experience or something like Nina Simone?
01:13:19.580 Can you compare that to anybody who is growing up today or, you know, is, is in their thirties
01:13:30.300 that is out, you know, being the big marchers of how much America sucks?
01:13:35.020 Uh, no, uh, America has come a long way and I think, uh, anybody with an objective view
01:13:49.020 on America, uh, has to recognize that.
01:13:53.040 I remember 15 years ago, my mother firmly believed, was it 15 years ago?
01:14:02.680 Um, yeah, 15 years ago, my mother firmly believed there would never be a black president.
01:14:09.500 It just, it's an impossibility.
01:14:12.000 And I can remember calling her in 2008, uh, after Barack Obama won.
01:14:17.400 I said, see mama, I told you.
01:14:19.540 Uh, and, and she, she just, she couldn't believe it.
01:14:23.840 And it made her at that time recognize like, Oh my God, look at how far I've come.
01:14:31.340 I went from when she was a kid, she couldn't go into a shopping center and try on clothes.
01:14:38.320 They just had to buy them.
01:14:40.160 Uh, and, uh, to, to now and to have both her sons be college educated, both of them be
01:14:48.340 successful, uh, both of them with the ability to live basically anywhere they want.
01:14:53.340 Uh, and so I don't get it either.
01:14:59.720 And, and, and, and for me, I, I really don't get it because I, my, there's been two unbelievable
01:15:07.100 and three, uh, but the two biggest influences on my dad, my grandmother, and, and that's not
01:15:13.900 to slight my mother in any way, because my mother was awesome.
01:15:16.820 But my grandmother was the embodiment of Christian love.
01:15:22.040 And my, my grandmother's father was nearly lynched by the KKK when she was a child, they
01:15:29.220 came, took him out of the house, going to string him up on a tree.
01:15:33.000 He did some kind of stance that showed them he was a Mason.
01:15:36.740 They didn't kill him, beat him up, let him go.
01:15:39.840 Wow.
01:15:39.900 They moved to Indianapolis, they moved from Kentucky to Indianapolis, and my grandmother
01:15:46.200 had great bitterness and hatred towards white people.
01:15:50.420 She became a Christian and it all went away.
01:15:54.440 And that was her testimony.
01:15:57.120 And that she was baptized and really got deep into Christianity and all of her bitterness
01:16:02.700 and anger went away.
01:16:03.840 She was just the, her name was Lovey.
01:16:06.300 Everybody called her Mama Lovey.
01:16:07.800 She was the embodiment of Christian love.
01:16:11.080 And I just think of my grandmother and all that she saw.
01:16:15.980 She died before Barack Obama became president, but, but all that she saw and all that she overcame
01:16:23.640 and we are now acting as if imprecise words, hurt feelings or whatever are the same as what previous
01:16:39.220 generations experienced and the laws, the laws that they face, there were obstacles to them.
01:16:47.820 Everybody's feelings gets hurt.
01:16:50.080 Glenn, I'm sure when you were a kid and even today, your wife may say something to hurt your
01:16:55.000 feeling tonight.
01:16:59.300 America does not promise you, oh, you'll never get your feelings hurt.
01:17:03.140 People won't be rude or disrespectful.
01:17:05.280 And so it's just this impossible standard that we have set up.
01:17:12.520 And, and, and look, I, I have seen people, two of my best friends in high school, I felt
01:17:23.760 like were denied an opportunity to make the basketball team because the coach had a bias against
01:17:30.800 black kids, uh, one of them has a very successful insurance agency, great family, has raised three
01:17:40.600 kids, been married for 20 some odd years, successful businessman.
01:17:45.080 The other guy, uh, been married for a good 20 years, has a daughter that's on a swimming
01:17:50.400 scholarship at a major university.
01:17:52.480 Uh, tough things happen to all of us.
01:17:57.640 It doesn't destroy your life.
01:18:00.140 You can't stop moving ahead and you certainly can't, uh, just demonize America or ignore
01:18:08.440 all the progress we've made here in America.
01:18:10.780 Glenn, I just keep repeating this over and over again, the last few months, as I've watched
01:18:16.160 2020 transpire.
01:18:18.220 And, and it's like, people don't have a fundamental understanding of America and what it promises.
01:18:24.420 America promises freedom, not love.
01:18:28.980 God promises love.
01:18:31.440 And so if you really understand that America, America is going to give you freedom, make the
01:18:37.500 most of that freedom.
01:18:38.680 Cause not every country gives you the kind of freedom we enjoy here, but America does not
01:18:45.460 say your feelings are never going to get hurt.
01:18:47.680 Everybody you run into is going to love you.
01:18:50.440 It doesn't say, Oh, you know, there's going to be some unfairness, America freedom.
01:18:54.860 And we're going to have laws that try to protect your freedoms.
01:18:58.800 That's it.
01:19:00.080 And that's a hell of a problem.
01:19:01.920 And that's so much more than virtually every other country offers its citizens.
01:19:08.440 We have to value that Glenn.
01:19:10.300 And right now we just don't, or not enough of us do.
01:19:15.100 I can't thank you enough, Jason, for being on with me.
01:19:18.460 I'd like to invite you into my little NATO pack I'm making with people that believe in
01:19:24.000 the bill of rights.
01:19:25.320 If you believe in the bill of rights, I'd like you to join the NATO pack, which is an attack
01:19:30.660 on one is an attack on all.
01:19:33.060 And we just, we all have to watch each other's back and be there when one is in trouble or
01:19:40.720 will they'll pick us off one by one.
01:19:43.140 You're exceptionally brave.
01:19:46.200 I got your back.
01:19:47.520 I'll never run out of a foxhole.
01:19:49.920 Yeah.
01:19:50.620 I'll go down swing.
01:19:52.080 Likewise, brother.
01:19:53.180 Likewise, Jason.
01:19:54.460 Thank you.
01:19:54.900 God bless.
01:19:55.700 Thank you.
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