The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 97 ｜ IBM's Role in Killing Jews & High-Tech Lessons from the Holocaust ｜ Edwin Black ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Man, this is well, this is one of my favorite episodes because this is one of my favorite modern day heroes.

00:00:07.540 He is a historian.

00:00:08.900 And I just want to make it really clear on who we're talking about.

00:00:12.440 This man is the award winning New York Times bestselling international investigative author of 200 award winning editions in 20 languages in 190 countries,

00:00:25.560 as well as scores of newspaper magazine articles, the leading publications of the United States, Europe and Israel.

00:00:32.060 More than one point six million books in print.

00:00:35.000 His work focuses on human rights, genocide and hate, corporate criminality and corruption, governmental misconduct, academic fraud, philanthropic abuse, oil addiction, alternative energy and historic investigation.

00:00:50.360 He has been his name has been submitted 11 times for a Pulitzer Prize.

00:00:57.060 He is a recipient of I mean, it goes on a list of awards.

00:01:02.960 He is probably the leading scholar on how mechanically the Nazis did what they did. 0.90

00:01:13.820 I quoted him a couple of weeks ago when I got in trouble with the press.

00:01:18.340 I think I was on Tucker Carlson show and I said, we are seeing the beginning of a digital ghetto.

00:01:25.000 Well, people went crazy.

00:01:26.780 How dare Glenn Beck say that?

00:01:29.360 I was quoting our guest as soon as I said, no, I was quoting this man.

00:01:36.720 Everyone went silent.

00:01:38.820 He is respected.

00:01:41.800 I revere him.

00:01:43.100 It's the 20th anniversary of his book, IBM and the Holocaust, which outlined exactly what happened.

00:01:50.700 And I think it's important to go over the steps of what IBM helped with with the Nazis.

00:01:58.240 And is there any comparison at all?

00:02:00.800 Is there any warning signs that we might be seeing today on what's going on?

00:02:05.660 A very controversial line of questions with a man who is beyond question.

00:02:18.080 Edwin Black, our guest on today's podcast.

00:02:21.320 Hello, my friend.

00:02:34.700 How are you, Edwin?

00:02:36.040 I'm fine, Glenn.

00:02:36.880 It's good to be back.

00:02:37.960 Yeah, good to talk to you.

00:02:39.480 First of all, happy anniversary.

00:02:40.900 I don't know if this is a happy memory for you 20 years ago when you first released this book, because how long?

00:02:49.780 First of all, how long did it take you to research and write?

00:02:52.840 How many years?

00:02:54.760 It took about three years from start to finish.

00:02:59.420 But I was aided by a fleet of about 100 researchers.

00:03:04.520 So we did what would normally take about 10 years in a compressed period of time.

00:03:14.980 So when you released it, I know you felt good about it.

00:03:18.900 You knew you had the research.

00:03:21.980 But how long did it take before the press started coming after you?

00:03:27.800 I don't know if it was 10 minutes or 15 minutes.

00:03:30.280 Basically, it was divided this way.

00:03:38.500 All the press that had been NDA'd and got to break the story on the first day lauded the book.

00:03:47.080 And all the press that were left out of the scoop did not like the book.

00:03:55.560 We obviously couldn't give it to both the New York Times and the Washington Post.

00:04:00.280 We couldn't give it to both Time and Newsweek.

00:04:05.440 And so one major news magazine, one major TV magazine, one network in each country, one network in the United States.

00:04:20.580 And all that was handled by the publishers.

00:04:23.080 Did you know that before it happened, did you have any idea of the wrath that was going to come your way?

00:04:31.120 Not only from the media, but from IBM itself?

00:04:37.260 Well, IBM worked its wrath in a very quiet way.

00:04:41.280 In the 20 years since the book first aired, IBM has never denied any fact in the book.

00:04:49.620 They've never threatened me.

00:04:51.380 They've never asked for any changes.

00:04:53.640 They worked through others by fomenting what you might now call fake reviews.

00:05:02.440 And if anyone goes to edwinblack.com, they'll see a special section on the left called retractions.

00:05:12.300 And there are many famous historians and famous publications which are required to publicly retract.

00:05:20.480 Oh, that's so great.

00:05:21.280 So, you know, the book has withstood the test of time.

00:05:25.820 So not a fact or a comma has been changed in 20 years.

00:05:29.080 So I want to talk to you about some of the details, look into what the meaning of that is, what we can learn from it for today and tomorrow.

00:05:39.620 But first, just lay out the premise of the book, because a lot of people were involved with the Nazi.

00:05:46.680 Henry Ford wrote a horrible, horrible book during the Nazi period called The Vanishing.

00:05:54.260 I think it was the was it The Vanishing Jew? 1.00

00:05:57.500 No, the world.

00:05:58.560 No, no, no.

00:05:59.640 Yeah, The International Jew. 0.97

00:06:01.120 And it was the world's foremost problem by Henry Ford.

00:06:05.600 So Ford GM was involved.

00:06:07.900 A lot of big companies were involved.

00:06:09.400 What is the difference between that and IBM?

00:06:13.560 Well, that's a very excellent question.

00:06:17.640 First, there were more than 100 major corporations in the United States and in England that were engaged in trading with the enemy.

00:06:28.540 So you had a department store in London that was selling needle and that was selling uniforms to the Nazis.

00:06:39.120 But by the same token, the Nazis already knew the secret of needle and thread. 0.76

00:06:43.880 The difference between plane trading with the enemy and five corporations, some of which you've alluded to, that were directly involved in the size and scope of the Holocaust.

00:06:58.520 And the first one we discovered was the first moment.

00:07:01.520 And that was the first moment when the world realized that a major American corporation was directly involved and complicit in the actual execution of the Holocaust.

00:07:17.580 And in this case, much more than the execution, just the actually the organizing and the co-planning.

00:07:25.700 And thereafter, I discovered that the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Motor Company, not just Henry Ford, Ford Motor Company, as you said.

00:07:36.980 And of course, one of the most criminal corporations in the United States, General Motors, were direct allies of the Nazi regime and or were into were integrally involved in the size, scope and shape of the Holocaust.

00:07:57.200 Those are the those are the main five.

00:07:59.160 So I I used to know the name of the company because it was kind of seared in my head for a while.

00:08:05.800 I remember going to Auschwitz and looking at the ovens and on the door of one of the ovens was the logo.

00:08:16.580 I think it said Toth, maybe, but it was the logo and the trademark or the patent on that device.

00:08:26.580 And I thought, oh, my gosh, you not only knew what you were building, you patented it.

00:08:34.740 Right. And that's an ironic question.

00:08:38.100 And of course, you are correct.

00:08:40.740 And that company actually bid on on the business.

00:08:46.040 In the case of IBM, they also ran their name on every punch card.

00:08:51.980 It was Deutsche Hallereth, Maschine Gesellschaft, which means the German punch card agency.

00:08:59.340 They home, they home, they home, they ran a copyright on every matter.

00:09:05.160 And when anyone else tried to print a punch card in Nazi Germany, occupied France, any of the places where its machines were used, IBM actually sued them during World War Two, during the Holocaust for copyright infringement, infringement and or trademark infringement.

00:09:24.760 When we talk about companies that were involved, IBM was, and I've said this to you so many times, the things that Hitler was dreaming of doing, the things that Hitler wanted to do of kill every Jew on the planet, he would, he couldn't do it because he didn't have the technology of today. 0.51

00:09:49.760 He would have celebrated the technology that that we have now.

00:09:53.620 It would have made his work really a job done quickly.

00:09:58.120 But IBM, as you have said, and I think you got a lot of heat for it, that, you know, high tech didn't start in Silicon Valley.

00:10:07.160 It's it started with Nazi Germany.

00:10:10.740 These guys explain all of the steps that, you know, you you lay out six different steps of the Holocaust, how to get there. 0.62

00:10:20.300 And they were involved in every single one.

00:10:22.980 Right.

00:10:24.500 Right.

00:10:24.820 There would have always been a Holocaust of some proportion, even without the IBM. 0.96

00:10:30.720 And that's and that's because thousands of Jews were being mowed down bullet by bullet in the ravines and gullies and forest clearings of Eastern Europe by the Einsatzgruppen along with their local militias.

00:10:45.120 We should always remember that local militias were complicit in all in all in all of these murders.

00:10:53.900 But that could only go so far.

00:10:56.440 It was IBM that allowed the Nazis to escalate into a high speed industrialized high tech genocide.

00:11:06.260 OK, so what?

00:11:07.000 So let's can we go through the the six stages?

00:11:09.860 And you just talk to me about what this what each of these mean.

00:11:14.260 You say the six stages identify the Jews.

00:11:17.660 How did IBM play a role in it?

00:11:20.440 IBM said we are the solutions company and there's no solution we won't give you, including the final solution, of course.

00:11:28.920 And so they said, what to the Third Reich, what would you like?

00:11:33.000 What is your goal?

00:11:33.900 And the first thing Hitler said is, I'd like to know how many Jews there are in Germany, because some of these Jews were wearing the fur hats, the curls and could clearly be identified.

00:11:48.180 Others look like regular business people were just going to synagogue and temple.

00:11:52.900 And a large number of them were already converted to Lutheranism and Catholicism and other forms of Christianity.

00:12:01.080 And they were going to churches.

00:12:02.340 But according to the Carnegie Institution and the Rockefeller Foundation, something you know well from your studies in eugenics, they were racially Jews going back in their ancestry.

00:12:15.880 Because the famous motto, race and blood, that the Nazis sloganized actually came from the president of Stanford University 30 years before in his book, Blood of a Nation.

00:12:33.580 So Hitler says, I'd like to know exactly how many Jews there are.

00:12:38.600 So IBM invented the racial census.

00:12:42.620 They actually hired thousands of individuals to go door to door in Nazi Germany and ask a series of census questions.

00:12:56.660 And then they had all those written forms sent into a single giant warehouse in Alexanderplatz in Berlin.

00:13:06.780 And then day and night, they were punched in to these punch card forms and machines.

00:13:13.780 In one column, they would ask, what is your religion?

00:13:17.900 You could either be a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, a Lutheran. 0.55

00:13:22.700 In a second column, what is your nationality?

00:13:25.780 And you could either be German, you could be Polish, you Ukrainian.

00:13:29.740 In another column, they would ask, what is your mother tongue?

00:13:33.660 You could say, my mother tongue is German, it's Croatian, it's Yiddish, it's Polish.

00:13:40.340 In yet another column, what is your profession?

00:13:43.200 I'm a bricklayer, I'm an auto mechanic, I'm a doctor, I'm a lawyer.

00:13:47.960 And finally, the question, what is your location?

00:13:50.300 And then, at the rate of 64,000 cards per hour, instantly, the Nazis finally learned exactly how many Jews of Polish extraction were practicing law in Berlin.

00:14:07.260 Jeez.

00:14:07.820 One day.

00:14:08.500 So is this, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:14:10.080 I don't want to move off this step first.

00:14:11.800 We've always done, America has in its constitution a census, and it's become very controversial to, you know, to put race and everything else on this, and we're getting it longer and longer and longer, and more and more information.

00:14:29.400 And a lot of people are pushing back because they just inherently feel, this isn't good.

00:14:34.800 It really is the first time we tracked racial bloodlines in a census, was Nazi Germany?

00:14:46.800 Religion was always used as a measure of census.

00:14:50.920 The question is, how was the information used?

00:14:54.060 Remember, there have been censuses going back all the way to Moses.

00:14:59.500 But in this case, the census was weaponized.

00:15:02.060 In a similar fashion, we weaponized the census data from the Japanese in the 1940s when we had them picked up.

00:15:15.540 So this is what IBM did.

00:15:17.680 They modified and targeted their racial census for the specific purpose of identifying the Jews because there were overlapping questions.

00:15:28.080 What was your nationality, your mother tongue, and your religion?

00:15:33.620 Those identified the Jews.

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00:16:45.520 Now, let's go to this.

00:16:47.100 Let's go.

00:16:47.960 Go ahead.

00:16:48.700 If I could say, it wasn't just one census.

00:16:51.620 There were constant censuses, registrations, over and over again, constantly honing the

00:16:58.360 information, not only, of course, in Germany, but in other countries, because IBM was doing

00:17:03.480 the census everywhere.

00:17:05.540 The IBM Hollerith punch card.

00:17:07.880 This is the system by which IBM invented information technology, was a series of holes that were punched in a punch

00:17:17.540 card about the size of a dollar bill.

00:17:22.040 And depending upon where those holes were punched, you could actually, once it was read through a high-speed reader, identify any information about a person, a place, or a process.

00:17:36.500 Before that time, you could count on your hands, but there's a raw number.

00:17:43.320 With this information that came out of these punch cards, these cross tabulations, you could not only count how many people were in the room, how many were blonde, how many were brown, how many had jobs, how many were Jews, how many were Aryans.

00:18:03.120 And so this, not Silicon Valley, is the birthplace of the information age.

00:18:10.360 It was Berlin in 1933 that was the birthplace of the information age.

00:18:16.200 And what does that mean, the information age?

00:18:19.580 It means the individualization of statistics.

00:18:24.020 Not only could you count, but you could know something about the people you counted.

00:18:31.980 You know their story.

00:18:33.760 Back in 2007, 6, 7, I talked to somebody who was high up in Department of Homeland Security.

00:18:43.020 And he was telling me about this new technology that they were employing to track terrorists.

00:18:48.640 And he said, you know, we identify the terrorists and then we monitor them.

00:18:54.280 And he said, we can monitor everything.

00:18:56.060 And he said, for instance, if we have a terrorist that we know is living someplace, if his water usage goes down, he said, we then know that he's gone someplace.

00:19:09.720 He's not in there, even though we might have a stakeout.

00:19:12.660 If his water usage, he's not flushing the toilets, he's not taking a shower.

00:19:16.420 We know something's up.

00:19:17.720 He said, then we just look at his circle of friends that we have, you know, on computer and access to.

00:19:24.560 He said, we begin to see if anyone's water usage has gone up by one person.

00:19:31.060 He said, then we can just find out exactly where people are, who's connected to whom.

00:19:35.960 That was in 2000.

00:19:38.060 It was before 2008.

00:19:40.700 I can't even imagine the information.

00:19:43.800 There is literally no place to hide anymore on Earth.

00:19:49.380 If a government takes the technology that Hitler dreamt about and employs that to identify, count, separate, isolate and round up. 0.77

00:20:01.520 And actually, it's going to be even worse than you just presaged be because of a topic you probably know about RFID.

00:20:14.580 And soon they'll be measuring the garbage that we throw out the cans in our trash in our trash to see what our usage is.

00:20:25.460 And that's literally just right around the corner.

00:20:28.320 Well, they say, and I read this five years ago or so, that just by tracking people through their supermarket, hey, do you have a super saver card?

00:20:39.080 Yeah, I do.

00:20:40.040 And they can tell which clients or which supermarket shoppers are conservative, which are liberal, which are Jews, which are Christians, just by the foods we buy and the products we buy.

00:20:55.360 We can actually tell, I think it was at the time, 80 percent accuracy on political backgrounds because of the products we buy, which is insane.

00:21:07.520 But to to to know that we are being analyzed and grouped at all times is is a little disturbing.

00:21:16.900 I believe there was a group of behavioral scientists that they are working with the Obama campaign when Obama won twice.

00:21:29.120 And they were analyzing and data mining that in the bad information.

00:21:35.460 That's what you just said is the reason I don't get those super saver cards, those loyalty cards.

00:21:42.040 In fact, our pharmaceuticals are being reported in a similar fashion.

00:21:47.120 And there is now a grocery chain being operated by Amazon where no money is required.

00:21:55.760 You just walk in.

00:21:57.420 They know who you are.

00:21:58.820 They have they have face wreck and more than just face wreck.

00:22:03.140 They're watching you as you pick up a can of peas, look at the label, put the can back and then pick another can of peas.

00:22:12.980 So they understand the decision making process.

00:22:16.720 So these decision trees are all now being woven into A.I.

00:22:23.420 And so we are approaching a not so brave, but very scary new world.

00:22:31.220 Yeah.

00:22:31.880 All right.

00:22:32.580 So there was step one.

00:22:33.780 And I think we understand that it's happening again.

00:22:37.240 The second step, you say, to six stages of the Holocaust, stage two is isolate the Jews. 0.92

00:22:45.020 How did IBM do that?

00:22:47.040 And what does that mean?

00:22:49.040 Well, the first step was identification, as you say.

00:22:52.340 The second step was it was exclusion or isolation.

00:22:56.160 And they took all the names that they had gathered of Jews and they juxtaposed them against the bar association, the faculty roles, the medical association, the journalist association.

00:23:09.760 And all those people were immediately fired.

00:23:13.460 This is in the first year of 1933.

00:23:16.000 And so now the Jews were excluded from society in the place of the Jews were loyal Nazis, commissars and others were were put into their position.

00:23:31.960 So step two was exclusion.

00:23:34.900 Now, you may say that sounds just like cancel culture.

00:23:38.920 And actually, it is like cancel culture.

00:23:42.280 It is like cancel culture. 0.78

00:23:44.760 And I and I worry about this because I see we're now going through a purge in this country, similar to the purge that we've seen elsewhere and in Nazi Germany.

00:23:58.160 Edwin, somebody just lost their job yesterday from Disney.

00:24:05.660 Big star on a very big hit show and lost her job because she tweeted out, you have to understand the Nazis first turned neighbor against neighbor.

00:24:21.980 They convinced the German people that the Jews were bad. 0.98

00:24:26.560 And that's how you that's how you originally started to do. 0.84

00:24:30.760 You have to teach people that this group is bad and needs to be isolated.

00:24:37.280 And she said, isn't this the same thing we're doing right now?

00:24:41.000 And she was fired for saying that by Disney.

00:24:45.200 I just read that.

00:24:46.680 I think it's extraordinary.

00:24:49.440 There's an extra step to what you just said.

00:24:51.600 It's not only trying to convince people through propaganda in the case of Goebbels, in the case of things we're seeing today, that entire segment of the society is bad, but then punishing those who would speak out against it.

00:25:08.520 So, for instance, I know, once again, I refer to your eugenic background, since I know that you've studied that topic.

00:25:18.120 Eugenics was public health. 0.96

00:25:20.080 Eugenics was pseudoscience amongst doctors.

00:25:26.600 The Jews were said to be carrying a contamination. 0.82

00:25:29.520 There was the whole idea that Jews were medically unfit.

00:25:36.800 And so, can you imagine if anyone would resist that in Nazi Germany?

00:25:42.360 And it was Twitter and Facebook today that we have.

00:25:46.720 But back then, their information standing up for Jews or any persecuted minority would be considered medical misinformation.

00:25:59.520 Well, I know that, I know that, I don't know when it started, but it got so bad that if you even went to the window, if you heard a, you know, skirmish outside, your neighbors were being, you know, escorted into a truck forcibly.

00:26:16.480 If you even came to the window and looked outside, you could receive exactly the same punishment.

00:26:22.340 So, they eventually scared everyone into compliance.

00:26:26.440 You wouldn't speak out against it and you, you were encouraged to participate.

00:26:32.360 But if you even recognized it, you would receive the same fate.

00:26:38.000 But people missed the step that, you know, one of the best police forces in Poland actually became one of the most brutal in killing the Jews out in the woods and hunting them down and burning whole villages with people in, you know, trapped in their houses.

00:26:56.960 They were ordinary men at one point, but the propaganda and the pressure and the fear turns people into monsters.

00:27:07.400 It was said during the Stalin era, during the purge there, how do you create terror, not only by punishing the guilty, but by punishing the innocent.

00:27:21.780 And what you said to me is very important about these militias in the East, not just Poland, in Ukraine and Lithuania and other Eastern countries.

00:27:35.620 Those militias were doing most of the actual killings in those ditches.

00:27:43.220 There were some mindsets grouping guys, but it was their allies in these militias who were doing a great deal of the actual shooting.

00:27:52.760 So, I'm sure you know and you'd be able to correct me.

00:27:55.480 I think the book is called Ordinary Men.

00:27:57.680 It was a, yes, okay.

00:28:00.180 Reading that book, I've, I've, I've, I've for a long time have said every police officer, everybody in charge of anything needs to read this book to mentally know where you're going to stand if things ever would go wrong.

00:28:14.040 I've been mocked about that, but it, it is, it is truly amazing how the Germans didn't have to do very much to get,

00:28:27.680 their order pushed through.

00:28:33.160 Well, there was a, a commissar or representative of the party.

00:28:39.080 I think we've discussed this before in every newspaper office and radio station.

00:28:44.080 Correct.

00:28:44.600 And you and I were discussing this and I said, we no longer need that level of censorship where the man is standing at the next desk waiting to see your typed up copy.

00:28:55.440 Now the censor is in cyberspace.

00:28:59.100 And so we have commissars, if you will, functioning through mass media today.

00:29:06.780 And I really see a very dark path ahead.

00:29:10.460 And I understand that you, you have spotlighted this in the social credit system in China.

00:29:16.620 So, so, so Edwin, I'm trying to find out because if I had this conversation with anyone else, I mean, the heat that will come on me for this conversation with you in a long form format is going to be a phenomenal or nothing.

00:29:35.060 It won't be in between, it won't be in between, it will be nothing.

00:29:38.480 Listen, listen, no one is going to come at you because of this conversation.

00:29:44.260 If anybody has a question, you have my address.

00:29:47.500 Well, one reason why I come to you with these things is because you know it inside and out.

00:29:59.920 You are the world's leading authority on, on this.

00:30:03.700 And there seems to be this trouble of connecting the past with today.

00:30:11.740 And I don't understand because the, if we really mean never forget, we don't mean don't forget the end.

00:30:19.080 We mean don't forget any of it.

00:30:21.660 So it doesn't happen.

00:30:23.260 There's warning signs along the way.

00:30:25.480 IBM was, was enabling, but they were still under the direction of the German government.

00:30:33.700 They still hired them and under the direction of the German government.

00:30:36.440 In today's world, I think people have a hard time connecting things because the government isn't saying ban them.

00:30:44.980 It's these private corporations and gee, don't they have a, don't they have a right to do and run their business the way they want.

00:30:53.080 But it, it's, it's all leading us the same place.

00:30:57.360 Can you, can you, for anybody who says that's, that's not going to happen here.

00:31:04.200 Can you help draw these lines together on, we're just on step two, identifying and then isolating people?

00:31:11.680 Because that's what is happening here.

00:31:13.420 Well, if I could say, um, uh, just to append what you said, it wasn't so much that the Nazis, uh, uh, were giving the orders to, um, uh, to IBM in, uh, Germany or new, or new, New York.

00:31:32.920 I think what you meant to say was they were giving the purchase order.

00:31:37.420 Yes.

00:31:37.820 Thank you.

00:31:38.380 Very good.

00:31:39.060 The, the decisions, the aggressive pursuit of this line of business, the customization of, uh, all of these punch cards and machines, and everyone was customized for every single application.

00:31:56.300 All of this was micromanaged by one man, Thomas J. Watson, senior. 0.96

00:32:02.120 He was a narcissistic, um, uh, and sociopathic criminal. 0.57

00:32:09.660 He was, um, a convicted extortionist before he ever got to IBM. 0.94

00:32:14.860 He was convicted of extortion in the national, the famous national cash register case.

00:32:20.560 He didn't go to prison because of an evidence technicality.

00:32:25.140 And they, and, uh, the people who set up the IBM said, that's the man that we want to, to run our company.

00:32:33.840 And Watson received a share of all the business with the third Reich. 0.69

00:32:40.380 Oh my gosh.

00:32:41.960 Yes.

00:32:42.380 And, um, uh, uh, uh, not only did he receive a share, he micromanaged it.

00:32:47.520 So you couldn't even paint a corridor in a bomb shelter, uh, under an IBM factory without his permission, because paint would cost money.

00:32:58.140 That would come out of his own personal pocket.

00:33:01.640 And so this, this was not, uh, a situation where IBM was compelled.

00:33:07.660 IBM went after this.

00:33:09.340 They, um, were cutthroat against any competition.

00:33:12.560 They sued for trademark infringement during World War II.

00:33:16.920 And even when the Nazis, uh, even when America entered the war in 1941, uh, in, uh, December, because Germany declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, uh, when, when, when, when the Nazis placed the, uh, company, uh, under their, uh, custodial, uh, control.

00:33:41.940 Has an enemy company, uh, all the same, uh, managers were left in place.

00:33:47.880 They were all working with IBM through intermediaries, uh, in Portugal, Switzerland, Sweden, um, uh, Vichy France, um, IBM senior executives, including their top lawyer were in Berlin in 1942 executing, uh, um, uh, uh, uh, secret.

00:34:11.940 To move the, uh, the, the, the, the equipment around this was IBM making a conscious decision to go after this line of business.

00:34:23.780 I read a lot, um, and, uh, I, I, I, I much prefer now, uh, listening to podcasts, um, and listening to books on tape, uh, you use audible all the time.

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00:35:42.860 Well, I, I know that you have exposed and it is, it's one thing to think about that and to think that Watson had dinner with his client, Adolf Hitler.

00:35:55.000 And, and, and, and as horrid as that is, you have exposed that they actually went and repaired the machines.

00:36:06.500 If there was a problem, they'd sent out an IBM repairman to the concentration camps. 0.51

00:36:12.500 Well, all of these machines were clipty clothed and they had to be repaired and maintained once every two weeks.

00:36:24.040 And that was done on site by an IBM repairman.

00:36:28.620 And whether that was in downtown Frankfurt or in Auschwitz three, where they had an IBM facility, which was right near the sports plots and not far from my, from IG Farben.

00:36:45.260 And of course these machines could have, um, uh, never been useful without punch cards.

00:36:54.000 It would be like, um, uh, like rifles without bullets because each punch card could only be used once.

00:37:02.720 And I just did some calculations about five minutes before I came on this show, just one plant, just one plant in Germany.

00:37:15.260 Produced just during the war years alone, 2.3 billion punch cards for the Nazi use. 0.73

00:37:25.140 That is not 33, 34, 35.

00:37:29.160 That is just during the wartime years to assist the Nazis in their war effort.

00:37:35.220 If that had been stopped, if the spare parts had been stopped, these spare parts were, uh, machine tooled with extreme precision, then these machines would have, um, broken down.

00:37:48.100 If I, because wait, wait, wait, wait, I just want to make sense, uh, make sure I understand this because you have gotten in trouble before 20 years ago.

00:37:55.560 And then they retracted all this, but they said, oh, he's engaged in hyperbole because, um, he says just about every bullet was tracked by IBM.

00:38:03.900 What you're saying here is the evidence of it, that they would track all the machines, all of the bullets, all of the transports of everything, not just people.

00:38:13.980 Um, we know that the Germans were meticulous record keepers, but IBM was their clerk, if you will.

00:38:22.200 And so if, if they didn't have IBM, if they weren't using that system, these machines in the war machine would have broken down.

00:38:30.620 Is that what you're saying?

00:38:31.380 Well, it isn't that they tracked every bullet, they tracked every shipment of bullets.

00:38:36.040 Right, right, right.

00:38:36.840 And so, and I know that there's a lot of emphasis on all the, the, um, uh, on these few, uh, negative reviews and criticism that I got, but you must understand virtually an entire world supported me.

00:38:55.060 Oh, I know.

00:38:55.520 Um, Jewish organizations within most of the media, uh, colleges, Edwin, I, I don't, I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

00:39:06.480 You are the world's leading scholar on how all of this happens.

00:39:12.080 So, uh, I, I'm just bringing it up because, um, I wanted to understand that they couldn't make these things.

00:39:20.640 They couldn't have shipped them or things would have broken down because when there was a repair needed, when there was a scheduled repair, it was all done through the punch card system.

00:39:30.800 That's right.

00:39:31.500 And, uh, as, as, as, as you go on in your six levels, you'll find out that this becomes even more odious on keeping track of things.

00:39:42.000 And so, yes, specific, uh, uh, um, uh, programs were devised to track military hard, uh, hardware and personnel.

00:39:52.660 In fact, there was an actual punch card agency, uh, in the German military, in the Wehrmacht for the specific purpose of working with IBM.

00:40:04.260 When they needed a program, IBM designed the program.

00:40:10.020 So they had to wire the machines, they had to punch up the cards, they had to design the cards, they had to train the personnel.

00:40:17.860 It was all a multi-step process.

00:40:20.580 None of it could have been possible without the specific instruction and permission of Thomas J. Watson.

00:40:27.960 I can't believe I'm saying this in America, but I have to.

00:40:32.040 Let me ask you a dangerous question.

00:40:34.760 What's the difference between, uh, between what was happening, uh, in Germany when IBM was starting and they were working and they were rounding people up and identifying what's the difference between them and companies like Facebook or Google that are working currently with the Chinese to track, identify and help scoop up people, the Uyghurs and put them into camps. 0.99

00:41:00.240 We have yet to investigate, uh, exactly what the role of American high tech is in the genocide now being committed against the Uyghurs.

00:41:12.840 This much we know the social credit system, the Skynet system, the face rec system, the system, which you and I both know, which needs to be, uh, further investigated.

00:41:25.920 And, and, and I'm actually turning my attention to the Uyghurs right now. 1.00

00:41:30.340 Good for you.

00:41:31.620 So the, the question is, is American high tech involved in that?

00:41:38.660 And if that should emerge, it'll be a war crime. 0.58

00:41:43.280 It'll be at a crime against humanity.

00:41:45.980 And, uh, and there will be an accounting.

00:41:49.760 We have yet to see if any of that's true.

00:41:52.620 Okay.

00:41:52.760 Let me take you to the next step.

00:41:54.160 And that is, is exclude them, which we talked about, seize their assets, and then put them in ghettos. 0.91

00:42:00.940 Tell me how IBM.

00:42:03.880 Identification.

00:42:04.600 Yep.

00:42:05.200 Exclusion.

00:42:06.600 Confiscation.

00:42:07.500 All right.

00:42:08.820 We've identified them.

00:42:10.140 We've pushed them out of their jobs.

00:42:12.060 Now we're going to take their money.

00:42:13.600 How do we take their money?

00:42:15.680 All the banks in Germany are running on IBM punch cards.

00:42:19.000 All the savings institutions, they have these names, they cross it and tabulate them against the professions.

00:42:27.540 Now they cross tabulate those against the financial institutions.

00:42:31.380 You immediately apply a 25% tax or a flight tax against these accounts.

00:42:39.860 You start to penalize them, criminalize them, and eventually to organize them.

00:42:45.420 And the Jews are pauperized. 0.98

00:42:47.980 So isn't this, I mean, again, help me and correct me where I'm wrong, but isn't this already in place here?

00:42:57.680 And I'm not saying it's an organized practice, but you can't go into a bank and pull more than $5,000 out at a time without being reported on.

00:43:09.780 If some companies like MasterCard have decided they're not going to do financial services for this company or this company or this company.

00:43:19.440 And there is talk that if we don't turn this around, if we don't stop this, you're going to see financial services turn and exclude people in certain categories.

00:43:37.640 So in other words, if you're dubbed a violent extremist, you have no access to any financial institution.

00:43:45.400 If the ones that have already been done, gun manufacturers, if you are selling or buying a gun in New York, the governor has already said there's going to be more inspections and more inspectors at your bank every year.

00:44:05.140 Because we think something's hinky with the gun manufacturers and some of these financial institutions have said we're not going to provide any services for them.

00:44:14.780 There are two sides on either end of this corridor that you've discussed now.

00:44:24.900 What the Nazis were doing was confiscation.

00:44:29.200 They were grabbing the assets.

00:44:31.040 They already excluded them.

00:44:32.740 They were pauperizing them through exclusion and then confiscation.

00:44:38.600 They took their money.

00:44:40.100 They penalized them.

00:44:41.620 They taxed them.

00:44:43.040 They aryanized them. 0.99

00:44:44.200 What's happening in the United States is people are being excluded.

00:44:49.880 So we have not yet come to confiscation.

00:44:53.920 There's a gap.

00:44:56.560 Now, whether we do have, what do we call that, that confiscation that is going on?

00:45:02.240 It was started in the 1980s and it's got out of control in some cities where they could just, you're pulled over and you've got cash in the glove box.

00:45:10.600 They can just, the police can take it and have in some places.

00:45:15.120 We know of a guy in Virginia that had a store.

00:45:18.520 They came in, took the cash, took everything and said, we think this is illegal drug money.

00:45:26.240 They didn't even, he didn't even go to court, never got his money back, lost everything.

00:45:29.840 So there are some cases, but it's not, it's not a government policy.

00:45:34.360 I don't know anything about those cases, but to more direct your inquiry, if you are found to be in violation and then fined and then, or forced to pay some extra fee, then to enforce that, then your assets can be confiscated.

00:46:00.180 And so what we need to watch now is whether we're going to see special taxation, whether we're going to see special asset seizures, whether we're going to see a differential in taxing procedures from one neighborhood to the next because of one status.

00:46:22.300 We're a long distance away from, from that, but in the 21st century, being a long distance away happens tomorrow, happens tomorrow at the speed of light.

00:46:36.000 Um, all right. So the next one is put them in ghettos and this has caused a big headache, uh, for me in the press.

00:46:43.460 Cause I quoted you and everybody said, Glenn Beck is crazy.

00:46:48.160 Listen to what he's saying. And then when I pointed out, I'm quoting Edwin black, uh, all of a sudden everybody shut up. 0.86

00:46:55.940 Uh, but we've talked about, uh, but we've talked about the literal ghetto and how today there is a digitized ghetto that if Facebook, yeah, if, if Facebook and Google and everybody else wants to cut you off and not provide any services for you, it does your voice even matter anymore?

00:47:16.180 Or are you behind a digital wall? Explain, you know, it's, it's funny. I looked at one of the articles, uh, in the Jewish media that, uh, um, dealt with your being attacked for using the digital ghetto.

00:47:31.960 And, uh, I checked and they were one of the newspapers that originally ran my story in 28 to 18 about a digital ghetto.

00:47:40.860 So, uh, as is now, as is now, uh, I won't mention this particular LAP. So, um, uh, as is well known now, uh, I was, um, making a, um, uh, a keynote address at, uh, uh, Holocaust day observance in the Detroit, uh, Rotunda state Capitol, the governor's, uh, commemoration.

00:48:04.780 And at that time I introduced the concept of what I called the algorithm ghetto or the digital ghetto.

00:48:11.600 And that is where you'll be, uh, uh, screaming from the rooftop and no one will hear you because you've been excluded by the Googles, the Facebooks, and the Twitters.

00:48:24.440 We've now, um, as a result of the server disconnects, we now see that you will not only be not heard from your rooftop, your rooftop will be taken away.

00:48:37.020 And I think that this is an extremely, uh, significant move.

00:48:42.620 And as, uh, Apple and, uh, Google, as I told you before, uh, make, um, uh, these types of decisions, Apple could say, well, you're using our phone.

00:48:54.820 We're going to disconnect that Google could say, Edwin's using an, an Android phone.

00:49:00.360 We can disconnect that pretty soon.

00:49:03.000 They're going to be able to disconnect the cars.

00:49:05.640 Apple is working on a car.

00:49:07.460 And for many years, uh, uh, I, and I'm sure you have to have been working on the concept of the cashless society and at the speed by which your credit card can be blocked, they can block you in a cashless society from even buying bread.

00:49:25.200 And now that I see that we're approaching, uh, the threshold of a global cryptocurrency and with the potential that world currencies may fall, we have another, uh, horizon to, to worry about.

00:49:43.700 How, uh, we have more to talk about, but I, I, I go back and forth in my head, you know, cause it doesn't have to go just because you're walking down a road doesn't mean you're not going to turn a different corner or turn around.

00:50:01.540 It doesn't, because you're saying we're headed towards this doesn't mean we arrive there.

00:50:06.740 Um, if we slow down or stop.

00:50:09.040 Um, and I'm not seeing, I've been talking about the, I mean, Edwin, how long have we known each other?

00:50:14.440 10 years at least?

00:50:16.260 Uh, back to the CNN day.

00:50:18.860 Yeah.

00:50:19.220 So, I mean, we've been talking about this forever and, you know, I keep saying, I'll stop saying these things when I see the star field start to roll in the opposite direction.

00:50:29.960 But right now we keep going the same way and it is getting, it was one thing to talk about it in theory.

00:50:41.560 It's another to be deep down this road where decisions that are critical are going to be made soon.

00:50:51.720 And it could mean the difference between nightmares or utopia.

00:50:58.600 How do you, how do you live with the, the knowledge that you have and the, the things that you see that are possible on the horizon?

00:51:11.540 How do you stay hopeful?

00:51:13.700 The horizon, our ability to see the horizon is limited to eight and a half miles.

00:51:19.380 So when you're standing at, at sea, at sea level and you look out, you can only see eight and a half miles ahead.

00:51:27.380 The question is, what can you see over the horizon?

00:51:31.060 What can you surmise?

00:51:32.760 And what do you know from the horizon just behind?

00:51:35.320 I've often said, you cannot pursue your future without, without comprehending your past.

00:51:43.680 But now our history is being erased.

00:51:47.360 Our history is being modified.

00:51:49.600 We won't even have an ability to determine how bad we were in the, in the past.

00:51:57.540 And I've often worried about the fact that people's collective knowledge is usually only goes back to last Thursday.

00:52:05.320 It's people like you and people like me who spend our years looking at precedent, what has happened before.

00:52:13.580 So for me, the torment of society is full-time employment.

00:52:19.780 The nature of how bad it can be is a day and night, 24 hour a day challenge.

00:52:31.480 And so for the past 50 years, for the past half century, and all of my books and all my human rights writing and all of my corporate investigations, I've tried to lay out what has happened, how visible it was, how noisy it was, so that people could not repeat the same mistake over and over again.

00:52:55.560 And I fear now that we are once again making the same mistake.

00:53:01.740 And I'm going to fault one major sector of our society.

00:53:06.780 I know you'll agree with this.

00:53:08.980 I'm going to fault the media because the media is the, um, uh, the indispensable in the intermediary, uh, in the intermediary.

00:53:19.640 But between the governed and governance, they are the necessary permeable layer.

00:53:27.620 Well, the mass media has now turned into the mess media and the watchdogs have stopped barking.

00:53:36.900 And I hear it every day, you hear it every day, it's repeated by people in the major media every day, nobody knows what to believe.

00:53:49.380 And in such a vacuum, the vacuum jar can quickly be filled with smoke.

00:53:55.840 And this is yet another one of the challenges for us moving forward.

00:54:01.280 I have to thank you for all of your work.

00:54:06.820 I think you're an amazing man.

00:54:08.440 I really think you have, I think you deserve praise, uh, from all mankind. 0.99

00:54:15.900 Um, the next step was deport them and finally exterminate them.

00:54:21.500 I didn't know this until reading your book years ago, that the, the numbers were actually first punch cards.

00:54:28.820 Were they not the numbers that were tattooed on people's arms?

00:54:32.600 Yes.

00:54:33.040 Let me go back just a bit to recalibrate.

00:54:37.920 First, we have the identification.

00:54:40.080 Then we have the exclusion.

00:54:41.420 Then we have the confiscation.

00:54:43.080 And the fourth step out of six is the ghettoization. 0.57

00:54:47.040 One day, all the Jews who have been identified, excluded, isolated, are instructed to move across town, uh, eight, uh, into these, uh, World War I slums, uh, which will become ghettos. 0.60

00:55:04.020 It's eight families to, uh, to a small apartment.

00:55:07.900 Everybody knows their street.

00:55:10.220 Everybody knows their number.

00:55:12.140 Everybody knows their stairwell.

00:55:13.860 Everybody knows their floor.

00:55:16.140 Everybody knows, uh, which apartment.

00:55:19.040 All in one day.

00:55:20.820 That is traffic management from IBM.

00:55:26.040 All in one day?

00:55:27.700 Of course, that's how the ghettos were operating. 0.99

00:55:30.220 Now, maybe it took two days.

00:55:31.940 But the point is, it was one mass movement.

00:55:35.240 And people were scooped up and forced into these ghettos. 0.69

00:55:39.060 Then, of course, the ghettos were, uh, fenced off and later bricked off. 0.99

00:55:44.540 So, ghettoization was step four.

00:55:47.620 Identify the Jews. 0.98

00:55:49.200 Exclude them. 0.99

00:55:51.200 Confiscate.

00:55:52.360 And ghettoize. 0.79

00:55:53.840 And now, they have them where they want them.

00:55:56.380 Does it disturb you at all the relentless, uh, talk now from people in leadership roles in

00:56:06.380 media and in politics that are saying, we have to know who these people are and we have

00:56:12.820 to find out a way to deprogram them.

00:56:15.020 Um, and, you know, at, at some point, you know, free society, you have to accept that

00:56:24.560 not everybody's going to agree with you.

00:56:26.600 And you have to go on the battlefield of ideas, as Washington said, every day.

00:56:31.960 And you fight it out in the battlefield of ideas.

00:56:34.460 And, but if you think that you are so right and everything you believe is the only way

00:56:43.360 and the people over there have nothing to teach me, and I am taught that this is a life

00:56:50.400 and death situation.

00:56:51.400 The planet is going to be destroyed.

00:56:53.820 Everything is going to be destroyed. 0.96

00:56:55.460 These people are haters.

00:56:56.960 At some point, you have to exclude them. 0.98

00:57:00.720 You have to put them into a ghetto and then you have to either reeducate or exterminate. 0.93

00:57:07.880 And I'm so afraid that either all humans are capable of this.

00:57:14.260 It's not unique, but it's important not to jump ahead in how bad our society is becoming.

00:57:23.680 The key mission is to see how, how far down that road we are, we are now traveling.

00:57:31.840 And do we need to be at the precipice?

00:57:34.380 I think the way such a situation would work is this.

00:57:37.840 People would be out of a job, uh, no way to, uh, to, um, earn, earn a living.

00:57:45.460 Where do they go now?

00:57:48.020 There is precedent for concentration camps in the United States, as you and I both know.

00:57:53.220 Uh, the first concentration camp, um, was Andersonville and that set the stage.

00:57:59.160 I had an uncle die there.

00:58:00.400 I know it well.

00:58:01.880 In, in, in Andersonville.

00:58:03.660 And of course there were concentration camps in, uh, uh, the Boer war and, uh, and Cuba in 1938, as we talked about once before, uh, governor Wilbur Cross, uh, um, uh, launched a plan with the Carnegie institution to go door to door.

00:58:24.760 1938 in the United States door to door and take a, a, a eugenic census of every citizen.

00:58:32.760 And they started this in a place called Rocky Hill, Connecticut door to door.

00:58:37.580 And if people were found to be unfit, they were, uh, African American, they were white people with brown hair, the Appalachians, if they were mixed blood, if they were, um, uh, dark skinned, they were deemed to, to, to, to, to be, uh,

00:58:54.760 um, uh, um, unfit, they would all be rounded up, their assets would be taken and they would be shipped to camps in the Ozarks.

00:59:04.620 And the further secret protocols of that plan, which exists only in hand, in handwriting in one or two places, and I have a copy of it, was that those camps in the Ozarks would ultimately become euthanasia camps.

00:59:22.020 And they were already putting together the youth, the euthanasia, uh, uh, precedents and protocols.

00:59:29.540 Now that was in 38.

00:59:30.860 We all know what happened in the forties.

00:59:33.200 Well, hang on.

00:59:33.700 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:59:34.220 Before we go there, I think I learned this from you. 0.99

00:59:37.160 Um, the, the eugenicists, they did a mass test on our military and they did a, uh, to see if you are, uh, an imbecile or not. 0.99

00:59:49.240 And they came back with some staggering number of like, uh, 90% of our military was, were imbeciles and, uh, unfit. 0.99

00:59:59.900 And it, but, but it was in the questions. 0.99

01:00:02.660 It was all in the question.

01:00:04.300 Some of these guys didn't learn how to read. 1.00

01:00:07.260 That doesn't make you an imbecile. 0.99

01:00:08.600 Some of the questions were about, you know, the latest car or whatever. 0.98

01:00:12.700 They hadn't seen any of those things and it shows the arrogance of the people who are in charge deciding who's fit and who's unfit.

01:00:26.040 That is really frightening because Wilbur Cross, there's the Wilbur Cross highway.

01:00:31.440 It's the parkway, uh, in Connecticut.

01:00:33.960 People don't know who he was.

01:00:35.840 He was just big, powerful, and important.

01:00:38.700 And the average person didn't know what was going on.

01:00:43.780 Well, uh, the testing you're referring to is the alpha test and the beta test, which were given to the general population in advance, uh, or limited sections of the population to develop an army for world war one. 0.99

01:00:59.060 The term you use, imbecile, idiot, moron, those were not insults as they are today. 0.99

01:01:08.260 Those were the scientific terms. 1.00

01:01:10.220 Those were the terms that the psychology profession and the education profession used to designate, um, lower forms of intelligence. 1.00

01:01:20.540 Once they branded you as an idiot, a moron, an imbecile on the scientific scale, using those particular terms, then, um, they said that you were good for cannon fodder, meaning you were sent out across the front line. 1.00

01:01:35.180 You were sent to the front line and to run across the minefields and, uh, let them explode. 1.00

01:01:40.940 So, and by the way, that testing ultimately became the IQ test and later it became the SAT test.

01:01:51.800 So those were bogus tests.

01:01:53.780 They had bogus trick questions.

01:01:56.140 First, they, first they formed their conclusions and then they fabricated the evidence and the, and the testing to support their illicit and immoral, uh, conclusions about people.

01:02:09.900 People who had great wisdom, uh, such as, uh, the, uh, uh, the Sicilians, uh, who came to Ellis Island and knew all, all the great operas of the world, but they didn't know what music was on Broadway.

01:02:25.780 So they'd ask them Broadway questions.

01:02:27.920 Um, the Jews from Eastern Europe who had all the wisdom of the Talmud and the Torah, they would ask them questions about sports, squash, racquetball.

01:02:37.860 They wouldn't know that they would ask, uh, Bible thumpers about the best-selling, um, uh, cigarettes, uh, cigarette ads in the Saturday evening post. 0.77

01:02:48.320 So these were trick questions designed to, um, uh, designed to cast people in a, um, uh, in a role and in a box where they could be disposed of.

01:03:03.180 Uh, uh, Edwin, when did this start?

01:03:10.200 I mean, this is, uh, uh, uh, you know, the world has people.

01:03:14.000 This is a disease in people, hatred, uh, wanting to, you know, be the boss of everyone, make the decisions, et cetera, et cetera.

01:03:23.120 Power and money corrupt.

01:03:25.560 Um, but when did this really become this kind of a business?

01:03:30.760 Is it to my recollection, I would say back in Germany in the late 1800s, uh, when science really kind of started to, um, flex its muscles.

01:03:43.560 But is that right?

01:03:45.940 I would say, I would say it was the, uh, uh, we saw the most advancement, uh, in organized raceology, uh, in the 19th century.

01:03:57.620 Um, it's important to understand that the Nazis, for instance, um, uh, the Germans always had a sense of superiority. 0.84

01:04:08.200 It is only when the American eugenics movement medicalized it.

01:04:13.700 And here's an important statement that people need to listen to.

01:04:18.440 When medicine meets politics, the infection of the body politic can be irreparable.

01:04:28.120 And when you speak about utopia, yes, they were utopians.

01:04:33.640 Many of them wanted to improve the world.

01:04:35.980 Many of them wanted, wanted utopia.

01:04:38.520 Very few of them knew that even the ancient Greeks knew that the word utopia means nowhere, a place that you could not achieve.

01:04:47.680 Um, by the way, behind Edwin right now is, uh, uh, a poster of war against the weak.

01:04:53.800 And it's all on the eugenics program. 0.79

01:04:56.020 And it is so valuable.

01:04:59.480 It is, you will read that and you will not believe what has happened in our own country.

01:05:07.200 And things like, uh, you know, a blood test or a marriage license, when you see where that came from, it's, uh, it changes everything.

01:05:16.580 Edwin, um, I found, and one of the things I've thought about this three times, is your book available on acid-free paper?

01:05:26.900 Because I'm a historian and I like to keep records.

01:05:30.500 Um, and because there were things in there, for instance, um, the, uh, in your book, I learned about the black stork.

01:05:38.360 This is on war in the week or war against the week, uh, the film, the black stork, which is horrifying.

01:05:45.380 And I, I, I, I, I went to look for a copy of it.

01:05:51.600 It was nowhere.

01:05:53.620 We found one guy.

01:05:55.240 Yeah.

01:05:55.840 One guy, one guy has a copy.

01:05:59.540 That's not good for history.

01:06:01.740 How did that happen?

01:06:04.080 Explain black stork and, and, uh, all right.

01:06:07.700 Uh, and then I'm sure we'll get, uh, yeah, we'll get to the, yeah, I'm sorry.

01:06:12.080 56, uh, the black stork in my book, banking, uh, excuse me, war against the week. 0.60

01:06:19.000 Um, there was a surgeon in Chicago and he was a eugenicist and there was a, a, a baby that was born with a birth defect.

01:06:33.300 He thought this baby should, did not have the right to live.

01:06:38.000 And so he refused to give the baby any medical attention, any, uh, nutrition, and just allowed it to die against, uh, the, um, fervent, uh, uh, shrieks of his parents. 0.83

01:06:54.780 This guy was celebrated and they even made a Hollywood film about it called the black stork, where if you really love your baby, um, and he's, uh, you'll kill him.

01:07:07.980 Um, and relieve him of the duty, uh, excuse me, of the curse of living on this earth. 0.94

01:07:14.960 It was actually the same thing that drove Margaret Sanger and, uh, planned parenthood because she referred to the unfit as a human weeds.

01:07:25.040 And she loved humanity so much that, uh, she wanted, uh, to save it by eliminating two thirds of the people on planet earth.

01:07:35.760 And we need to really understand that some of this comes from a place of hate and some of this comes from a place of monstrous Frankenstein love and trying to make a better place, but trying to make a better place in your own image is attempting to steal the show from God.

01:07:59.580 Well, as we go back to the Holocaust in the six, uh, stages, I think that's where people get confused.

01:08:07.600 The German people got confused.

01:08:09.740 They saw the imagery, they saw the pageantry, they were people that were humiliated.

01:08:15.360 They had lost their faith.

01:08:16.520 They had lost everything.

01:08:17.680 Um, and somebody comes in and puts on a very good show and says, Hey, we're going to recapture the glory.

01:08:24.140 And so a lot of people went for love of country.

01:08:27.220 Um, but the most important thing was the hatred that was compelling, um, uh, Hitler to move on. 0.60

01:08:37.400 The, just the, and many of his, in his upper circles, um, that, uh, made the Holocaust, his, his insane writings in Mein Kampf actually come, uh, come true. 0.87

01:08:50.540 We are now ghettos, deport them and exterminate. 1.00

01:08:55.140 So let's go to deport. 1.00

01:08:57.340 Well, the Jews have been identified.

01:08:59.840 They've been excluded.

01:09:01.080 Their money and assets have been confiscated.

01:09:03.620 They've now been confined in these ghettos. 0.84

01:09:05.580 The fifth move is deportation, meaning throw them into trains and send them to concentration camps.

01:09:15.180 And here, once again, uh, uh, all the trains in Germany and Europe, or most of Europe were running on IBM punch cards.

01:09:23.340 The railroad business was the single largest sector for IBM's, uh, business over there.

01:09:30.280 Uh, you said at the start of this show that they couldn't track a box of bullets or, uh, a shipment.

01:09:37.100 They couldn't track a box car in under two weeks without an IBM, uh, uh, system tracking it.

01:09:44.840 Not only was I able to, uh, to discover and, um, exploit those documents, I was even able to locate, uh, uh, one of the men in Krakow who was at the depot working with the IBM subsidiary, uh, to send these trains back and forth to Auschwitz. 0.53

01:10:06.320 And, uh, and, and, and I questioned him and he gave me information on exactly what IBM did.

01:10:13.320 And so deportation, um, by this, by this IBM tracking, just the right number of Jews would be put into the right number of boxcars. 0.73

01:10:24.520 They would be sent over a one to two day, um, uh, journey like my mother was, and, um, they would arrive at the concentration camp and within 40 minutes, generally speaking, unless there was a problem on the track, there was smoke, they were dead.

01:10:43.460 And this type of metering is what the IBM traffic management did.

01:10:51.280 Remember, millions of people went in and out of thousands of IB, uh, of Nazi concentration camps and sub camps.

01:11:03.100 But the one day capacity of all the camps put together was 235,000.

01:11:08.820 And so the IBM system kept track of the populations, how many could be used to work, how many could be, um, uh, how many, uh, had to be fed.

01:11:22.100 And, um, uh, all this information was, uh, delivered once a week by motorcycle to the, uh, IBM, um, tracking center called, uh, Dietzwei.

01:11:35.440 It was the SS department D2 in the T-shaped building at Aranienberg.

01:11:41.020 At least 24 machines calculated this stuff out.

01:11:44.640 And so the Nazis were able to keep track of every camp and sub camp through this deportation method.

01:11:53.120 And then the sixth realm is actual extermination.

01:11:57.480 There was an IBM customer site and every concentration camp, the name, some had machines, some had sorting systems.

01:12:06.420 Some had just card identification systems in, um, in Dachau, for example, it was a two-story concrete blockhouse right across from the main gate in Mauthausen.

01:12:19.580 It was across from the parade grounds in, um, in Buchenwald.

01:12:25.620 It was, uh, not far from one of the mess halls in, uh, Auschwitz.

01:12:31.320 It was, it was in Auschwitz III, um, near the sports field.

01:12:34.840 And, um, there was, the name of this IBM customer site was the Hollerith Uptalung.

01:12:42.900 That means the Hollerith department.

01:12:45.020 And all these documents about, uh, about the deathless and the prisoner transferred are all stamped Hollerith or FAST,

01:12:56.420 processed by the IBM Hollerith system.

01:12:59.640 And that's how we knew that we had, uh, that I've got one right, right here that I've got from my show.

01:13:07.820 It's right here.

01:13:08.900 And you see, it's just pencil and paper.

01:13:11.640 Who would know?

01:13:13.320 But up here, it's got a stamp.

01:13:15.660 And that stamp says Hollerith or FAST, registered by the IBM system, by the IBM system.

01:13:23.700 And so, by this method, the Germans were able to control the population, kill the population when necessary. 0.98

01:13:33.320 And IBM even devised the extermination by labor campaign, where they would take all the, um, professions.

01:13:42.140 I'm a bricklayer.

01:13:43.180 I'm a doctor.

01:13:43.980 I'm a tradesman and match those up against the slave labor needs, work them to death. 0.99

01:13:51.840 And at the right time, the Jews are coded eight and gas chamber is coded six. 0.76

01:13:58.760 Did we, did the, did the, did the government know about the connection with IBM and why didn't we put a Raul Wallenberg, I know you know who he is.

01:14:14.040 Why didn't we ask for a Raul Wallenberg to go in, in as IBM and just throw some wrenches in the machine?

01:14:25.180 Did we, did we know?

01:14:28.820 Two responses.

01:14:30.200 One, we knew.

01:14:31.560 When I say we, I mean the president of the United States.

01:14:35.460 Watson and FDR were great friends.

01:14:39.480 And every time Watson went, went to Germany, which was common, he would send a note to the White House and say,

01:14:46.480 I just want you to know I'm going to Germany and wish me luck or give me congratulations.

01:14:51.220 Second, Watson went to Germany in 1937 and got a special award from Hitler, which was invented for him, the German Eagle with Cross for, quote, service by a foreigner rendered to the Third Reich.

01:15:10.240 And it was said to be the biggest banquet in the history of Berlin.

01:15:16.600 It was miles and miles of, of, of, of festivities.

01:15:21.520 He led the entire U.S. Chamber of Commerce to go there to try to convince them to keep working with, with the Nazis. 0.85

01:15:30.280 So we knew at all times, in fact, when, when we entered the war and when we made it illicit to communicate with Nazi Germany, the FBI was investigating Watson and IBM for working with the Nazis, for moving Nazi spies around here and there.

01:15:52.080 Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me the end of his story.

01:15:54.560 Please tell me there's a happy ending where he's in prison or he is, at least he doesn't leave this earth with accolades.

01:16:05.100 What happened to him after the war?

01:16:06.620 Anything?

01:16:07.560 Please.

01:16:07.880 There's no happy endings with me.

01:16:09.880 What?

01:16:11.040 No happy endings with me.

01:16:13.040 He, he, he died a millionaire.

01:16:17.940 His name was glorified.

01:16:20.020 His crimes were forgotten until I resurrected them.

01:16:23.680 Good for you.

01:16:24.560 His legacy was turned into a game show, a gizmo, Watson.

01:16:30.120 And all.

01:16:30.760 Is that who Watson is named after?

01:16:33.480 Of course.

01:16:34.560 Oh my gosh.

01:16:37.220 Oh my gosh.

01:16:38.020 All these Watson smart cities and smart medicines and smart everythings are named for an unindicted, uh, war criminal, Thomas J. Watson.

01:16:50.640 Watson.

01:16:52.380 Oh my gosh.

01:16:53.980 Not a game show joke, but an actual, uh, um, uh, man who was involved in the mass murder of millions of Jews and other Europeans.

01:17:04.740 Can I ask you a question on a story that I saw this week?

01:17:10.180 Um, it was, uh, I think in Poland, I can't remember where it was, but a 95 year old woman was tried in a juvenile court.

01:17:22.640 Do you know the story?

01:17:23.340 Sure, because if they committed crimes while, uh, if these, uh, uh, Nazi collaborators were, um, juveniles or under the age of 21, when they committed their crimes under certain laws and, and procedures, that is where they must be tried.

01:17:40.780 So, but tell me, but tell me, tell me this, cause I have a real hard time, uh, with this cause I'm seeing what's happening to our youth right now.

01:17:49.280 And what's happening to our youth right now is we're being split.

01:17:53.840 There are those who believe, uh, in one ideology and others that believe in, you know, the constitution.

01:18:01.500 And, uh, there is a real war in our children's minds and schools and with media.

01:18:09.120 If you're 18 years old and you bought into this stuff, couldn't you make the case that they didn't, I mean, that's all they knew was that kind of world.

01:18:25.500 And if they were surrounded by people that were saying, no, that's all good.

01:18:29.780 We're doing a great thing.

01:18:30.900 We're creating a utopia.

01:18:32.360 Is there any, if you're referring, if you're referring not to today, but the Nazi era, it's true. 0.77

01:18:43.660 Uh, the Hitler youth, uh, was exactly what you say. 0.83

01:18:47.660 It was raised on eight.

01:18:49.660 Um, uh, so not only from the moment they were born, but they grabbed them early, um, in their, um, uh, in their teenage years,

01:18:59.740 in their, uh, in their preteen years, I mean, turn them against their own family, their parents turned them against their own family.

01:19:07.120 But under the war crimes, under the crimes against humanity that you have spoken of, there is a sharp line between just hating and being misinformed and being biased and actually pulling the trigger.

01:19:26.300 However, it's important to understand that war crimes are not only against those who pulled the trigger, but those who instructed or made possible that the trigger be pulled.

01:19:38.260 And for this reason, the genocide treaty says that the people who will be guilty of genocide are not only those who, um, um, who commit the acts of genocide, but who are, quote, complicit in genocide.

01:19:54.080 And one of the subsections clearly states whether they are public officials or private individuals.

01:20:01.940 And for this reason, we see, uh, not only mass murderers and camp personnel being tried for war crimes.

01:20:09.740 We see journalists, we see journalists, we see the people who published the Sturmer, we see radio broadcasters, diplomats, scientists, doctors, bankers, an entire slew of non, uh, military men were, uh, placed in various of the war crimes trials, um, to show, um, uh, and to punish exactly what was done.

01:20:36.320 So, um, uh, the bias, uh, if it was kept internal was insufficient to qualify for prosecution.

01:20:44.600 But once people converted that into becoming, uh, concentration camp guards, ordering, um, destruction, encouraging, uh, genocide, such as Stryker, the, uh, publisher of the Sturmer, such as these diplomats.

01:21:03.940 Once that was done, yes, then they qualified.

01:21:07.440 And so those people are being tried today when we find them.

01:21:13.120 So let me go back to the list and let's wrap this up with this.

01:21:18.660 The Holocaust had six stages. 0.72

01:21:21.040 You write, identify the Jews, isolate them, exclude them, seize their assets, put them in ghettos, deport them, and finally exterminate. 0.96

01:21:30.040 Do they have to come in this order? 0.98

01:21:36.120 And where are we on the, shouldn't we have everybody have this kind of list in front of them and going, uh, oh, we're getting close to that one.

01:21:45.880 Um, where are we on this list?

01:21:48.140 Okay, so, um, one thing we, uh, need to clear up is that the Auschwitz tattoo began as an IBM number.

01:21:57.500 It was the number on your prisoner card, but eventually it was subsumed by many other systems.

01:22:03.420 Okay.

01:22:03.560 Where are we on this?

01:22:06.180 People have been identified.

01:22:09.680 People are identified.

01:22:11.360 They're identified openly and they're identified in cyberspace.

01:22:19.400 Two, people are being excluded.

01:22:22.560 Now, no one is saying we're on our way to a Holocaust.

01:22:26.080 No one is saying that at all.

01:22:28.220 But people have been, uh, and are being excluded and there are major efforts led by a number of people in the media to continue this revenge campaign against half the country.

01:22:42.160 So people are being excluded in the process of being excluded.

01:22:46.080 They're being pauperized.

01:22:47.540 We don't need to, uh, seize their bank accounts because, uh, their, um, their Facebook accounts, their shopping accounts, their bank accounts are being terminated with the flick of the switch.

01:23:03.360 So the question is what happens now, as I said to you, we're a long, long way from the horrors that IBM allowed the Nazis to inflict in the 1930s and forties.

01:23:18.160 We are a long, long way away from that.

01:23:20.900 China is not a long, long way.

01:23:23.920 And so what we need to do is look forward at where we are going, look backward from where we have come and ask ourselves, is it not time to take a fork in the road?

01:23:38.260 Edwin Black, it's an honor to know you.

01:23:41.380 It really is.

01:23:42.580 Thank you so much.

01:23:43.940 And thank you, Glenn.

01:23:44.760 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

The Glenn Beck Program - February 13, 2021

Ep 97 ｜ IBM's Role in Killing Jews & High-Tech Lessons from the Holocaust ｜ Edwin Black ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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