The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 98 ｜ Dr. Ben Carson's Prescription to Heal America ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Most Americans first encountered our guest during the 2016 presidential primaries.

00:00:06.760 He was a surprise success, even made it to Super Tuesday.

00:00:10.740 He then did another surprising thing.

00:00:13.740 The quietest guy on stage joined the loudest guy on stage and became a member of the Trump administration.

00:00:20.640 He was one of the few cabinet members to make it all four years.

00:00:24.900 Now, if you really pay attention to politics, you'll remember his speech at the 2013 National Prayer Breakfast where he said a few frank things to President Obama.

00:00:36.160 But that's the kind of guy he is.

00:00:38.020 He won't stab you in the back.

00:00:39.640 He'll say it to your face.

00:00:41.620 The Washington Post was so offended by the speech that they wrote his obituary for his legacy.

00:00:47.980 They were wrong.

00:00:49.640 The speech wound up being his launching pad.

00:00:52.420 The very next year, a Gallup poll ranked him the sixth most admired person in the country, right next to Stephen Hawking.

00:01:00.680 Before entering politics, he was a decorated brain surgeon.

00:01:05.320 This is the first time I met our guest.

00:01:10.920 He, at 33, he was the youngest chief of pediatric neurosurgery in the country.

00:01:18.580 Just one of the many reasons he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by George Bush.

00:01:24.880 This man's life is incredible.

00:01:28.000 And in his farewell speech earlier this year, he said,

00:01:30.840 Only in the land of opportunity can a poor inner city boy go on to become a brain surgeon, a candidate for president, and then one day a cabinet secretary.

00:01:42.440 And now he's on to new ventures as the founder and chairman of the American Cornerstone Institute.

00:01:51.100 Today on the Glenn Beck podcast, welcome Dr. Ben Carson.

00:01:55.660 Ben, it is good to see you again.

00:02:11.720 Good to see you again.

00:02:12.780 It's been a long time.

00:02:13.920 I know.

00:02:14.280 I have so much to talk to you about from politics to medicine to what you're up to now lately, the things that you have for the future, the past.

00:02:26.760 So this is going to be kind of a meandering conversation.

00:02:31.420 But I want to start with something that has truly affected every American and everyone worldwide, and that's COVID.

00:02:39.160 There is so much misinformation, disinformation, that people don't even know what the truth is anymore, and it is still being spun.

00:02:51.200 We found out from the now President Biden that when he got into office, there wasn't even a vaccine, which is not true.

00:03:01.680 It's not true, is it?

00:03:03.340 It is absolutely funny, but in a way it's tragic how we take every crisis and make sure that we can make it into a political issue.

00:03:13.800 I think it was Rahm Emanuel who said, never let a crisis go to waste.

00:03:17.800 Yeah.

00:03:18.160 And that's what's being done with this.

00:03:20.720 Now, one thing people should realize is that it's called the novel coronavirus.

00:03:26.040 Now, why is it called that?

00:03:27.140 Because it's new.

00:03:28.220 It doesn't act like things that we've dealt with before in many different ways.

00:03:34.140 And one of the reasons that I think we've managed to generate so much distrust is because we're unwilling to admit that we don't fully understand this thing.

00:03:47.380 We're learning as we go.

00:03:49.640 And sometimes we're wrong because we make predictions based on what other viruses did, and then it turns out that this one is acting differently.

00:03:58.220 We just should be willing to say, you know, we were basing that on something else, and that's not what's going on.

00:04:05.780 This is what's going on, and we're going to work with this as it goes.

00:04:09.520 Just admit fallibility because there's plenty of it to go around.

00:04:13.140 So you were on the task force.

00:04:15.400 When did this first hit your radar, and when did you realize, ooh, this is going to be a real problem?

00:04:21.880 Probably around March of last year, when everything we predicted didn't seem to happen, we began to realize that there's something going on here that's more substantial.

00:04:39.580 You know, as you might recall, we were predicting that, you know, by May or June, you know, things would be under control and back to normal.

00:04:47.760 I think we've learned that that's not the case now.

00:04:50.460 Well, how do you explain?

00:04:52.840 This is the real hard part.

00:04:54.580 First of all, don't treat us like children.

00:04:57.180 We all want to do the right thing.

00:04:59.780 And, you know, the best doctors came out and said, masks don't work, and then masks do work, and then you should wear a mask, and then you have to wear this special mask.

00:05:12.420 Now you have to wear two masks.

00:05:13.820 And somehow or another, you're a hater if you don't do this.

00:05:18.320 I have more faith in the American people than this.

00:05:21.380 But I don't understand one thing.

00:05:24.520 How can the virus be taking down states like California when they have the most strict lockdown?

00:05:32.420 And Florida seems to be doing well.

00:05:35.820 Texas.

00:05:36.500 I mean, we've had our problems.

00:05:38.220 But why is, what's happening there?

00:05:41.240 It's almost like the lockdowns make it worse.

00:05:43.780 Well, I think we just have to go into this with an open mind.

00:05:49.480 You know, the average age of death in this country is 78 years.

00:05:54.380 The average age of death for people with COVID is 78 years.

00:05:58.940 So, maybe there's things, maybe we're reacting in a way that isn't consistent with logic.

00:06:08.560 Because the fact of the matter is, the people who seem to be dying most are elderly and people with other compromises in their immune system.

00:06:18.920 Well, guess what?

00:06:20.120 Those are the people who die when almost anything comes along.

00:06:23.760 And so, you know, this fits in that bucket of almost anything.

00:06:29.960 And it's knocking people off.

00:06:32.920 What we should be doing is concentrating on how do we protect the elderly and the vulnerable people.

00:06:41.100 That's where the concentration should be.

00:06:43.220 Not on locking down.

00:06:45.280 Not on keeping kids out of school.

00:06:47.840 But what do you do with your elderly grandmother?

00:06:50.780 How do you behave around her?

00:06:52.460 And, you know, that would make considerably more sense.

00:06:55.800 And, you know, I think that's the approach that is being taken in the places in our country that are doing better.

00:07:02.580 So, this is, I mean, we can't seem to even have a decent, honest conversation with anyone about things that we all know.

00:07:12.200 The lockdowns are really bad for, A, the economy.

00:07:16.360 More importantly, what's happening to our children.

00:07:21.940 I have high school-aged children.

00:07:26.600 We had an attempt at suicide in my family in the last few months.

00:07:33.080 And that is all directly to being locked down in your house.

00:07:38.100 The school being, when you go, you're still not with anybody.

00:07:41.920 It's horrible.

00:07:44.760 It is.

00:07:46.000 Why aren't we balancing this better?

00:07:48.880 Why is, what is happening, Ben?

00:07:51.460 Because we've politicized it.

00:07:54.600 We don't really care about the children.

00:07:57.560 In many cases, we care more about the teacher unions.

00:08:01.700 And I'm not exactly sure why they don't want to go to school and teach when all the science indicates that that's safe.

00:08:08.520 You're more likely to get it outside of the school than you are to get it in the school.

00:08:12.020 And, you know, as far as the children themselves are concerned, for that age group 0 to 19, the chances of succumbing to this virus is incredibly small.

00:08:25.140 The recovery rate is 99.997%.

00:08:28.880 So, you know, to alter everything on the basis of statistics like that really doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:08:37.300 And common sense is missing in this whole equation.

00:08:42.180 That's a problem.

00:08:43.380 I mean, when we first locked down, up until really the summer, you kind of understood, hey, we don't know what's happening.

00:08:51.320 We're not really sure.

00:08:53.320 You know, we've got the fall coming.

00:08:55.060 But now we're almost a year into it.

00:08:58.020 And I know it's a big deal, but part of me says it's 99% recoverable.

00:09:06.660 It's not that big of a deal.

00:09:08.620 The numbers are big, but it's not that big of a deal that we would tube everything, including a year of our children's life and education.

00:09:20.100 Exactly.

00:09:21.060 And we have controls.

00:09:22.540 We have a number of private schools and charter schools and even some public schools.

00:09:27.160 where life is going on.

00:09:30.380 And they're not reporting higher incidence of transmission.

00:09:34.960 So there's no scientific reason to keep the kids out of school at this point.

00:09:41.040 And you look at those children who are poor, who don't have access to the latest computers, who don't have access to high-speed Internet.

00:09:51.840 What is happening to them?

00:09:53.420 They are losing a big portion of their life, a big portion of what would lead them to be successful.

00:10:00.740 It's going to have a negative impact on the rest of their lives.

00:10:04.100 Why does no one care about that?

00:10:06.360 You know, I've, I've, I'm a self-educated historian.

00:10:12.540 Um, and the one thing I've noticed about wars is people are so anxious for the war to be over in the end that it never really goes back to the way it was.

00:10:27.840 You, you, you, you're so far away from where you were, and you just want it to end that you compromise and you change.

00:10:37.040 And many times you change without even noticing it because you're too far away from where you were.

00:10:43.880 I, I, I will go ahead.

00:10:46.020 You're right.

00:10:46.900 And unfortunately, uh, so many people have become sheeple.

00:10:52.580 I mean, they just sort of listen to what they hear on the television and they say, well, that's, that must be what's right.

00:11:01.080 Those are the people who are the experts.

00:11:02.820 And, uh, I'm coming more to more to believe that the founders of our nation were much more dependent upon the people and upon the wisdom of the people because they recognize that the politicians and the people who are influenced by the politicians, which in this case includes the media, don't necessarily have the best interest of the country or the people at heart.

00:11:28.820 Um, so as you, um, look at this, I mean, I think that's the difference between the people who believe in the constitution and, and those who are heading in this new direction is one trusts the people and the other says, no, I've got to be their shepherd or their master.

00:11:52.560 Um, and it seems like the, the ones who are saying, I will lead them and I will tell them what to do.

00:12:03.280 Uh, it seems as though they're winning.

00:12:06.380 Are they, it does seem, but I think a lot of the people right now are sort of in a state of shock, uh, sort of like deer caught in the headline and they, they're going to have to obviously get themselves together.

00:12:21.740 I don't think the majority of people in America will sit still while their rights are just taken away.

00:12:34.500 I just don't think that they will, but, uh, but they're not, they're not there yet.

00:12:39.240 They're still trying to figure out what the heck is going on because it's come so fast.

00:12:43.340 If someone, let's, let's say the election had turned out differently and someone had said, you know, the left is going to, you know, challenge your ability to freak, speak, speak freely.

00:12:57.740 They're going to challenge our energy resources.

00:13:00.940 They're going to challenge our relationships around the world.

00:13:05.280 They're going to open the borders.

00:13:06.900 They're going to do all this.

00:13:07.940 And you'll say, nah, nah, come on, you're exaggerating.

00:13:10.920 You're not going to do all that.

00:13:11.920 Well, now you have a chance to see that they are going to do all of that.

00:13:15.640 And, uh, I think that will make a difference once people, you know, get out of the headlights and kind of figure out what's going on.

00:13:22.080 So you've been inside.

00:13:24.180 The one thing that I think Donald Trump didn't do, he did, he did an amazing amount.

00:13:30.860 And you were a big part of that.

00:13:33.480 Um, and, uh, it, it happened and it seemed solid at the time.

00:13:41.440 They made some really good things.

00:13:42.940 It seems solid, but you need two terms to set it in stone, especially if you don't make the people appoint that you've appointed.

00:13:53.660 If you don't flip them into career, you know, uh, bureaucrats, which I despise, but Donald Trump paid very little attention in his first term to that bureaucrat.

00:14:10.540 And, uh, you know, it's going to require real resolve.

00:14:38.960 You know, freedom is not free.

00:14:42.500 And, you know, when we sing the national anthem, we talk about the, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

00:14:49.660 Well, you can't be the land of the free if you're not the home of the brave.

00:14:52.480 If you're sitting in a corner hoping that nobody will notice you, uh, so that they won't cancel you or punish you in some way, uh, you're really part of the problem, not part of the solution.

00:15:05.880 Can I, may, may I ask you, I mean, you were, you were the youngest head of pediatric neurology in the country at 32 years old.

00:15:14.720 You're, I mean, we all have our own struggles, um, but you have been massively successful.

00:15:21.780 I have been massively successful.

00:15:23.660 Those people who are working at a job and their company comes in and says, you have to have this equity training and it's all critical race theory.

00:15:33.680 Those people look at their job and say, I'm putting food on the table.

00:15:38.020 I, I'm, I, I, I don't have, you know, Dr. Ben Carson's, uh, ability to just go anywhere or Glenn Beck's ability.

00:15:46.680 So I feel, I feel that there are a lot of people in America that want to speak up, but they totally feel alone.

00:15:54.100 Can you speak to those people who are not cowards?

00:15:58.840 They just know reality.

00:16:02.040 Yes.

00:16:02.860 Well, you know, we each have a sphere of influence and, uh, you can, you can ignore that sphere and just keep your mouth shut or you can begin to foster conversation, conversation with your sons and your daughters and your aunts and your uncles and your neighbors and your coworkers.

00:16:22.800 Because when people only hear one side of the story, we, we've already seen the impact of big tech and the media in terms of being able to shut down stories, to shut down information.

00:16:38.280 Uh, you know, the Hunter Biden computer is a perfect example of that.

00:16:42.540 Just completely shut it down.

00:16:44.440 Don't let the people know we decide what they get to know and what they base their opinions on.

00:16:51.940 That is completely antithetical to the whole concept of America.

00:16:59.700 America is more of an idea than it is a place.

00:17:03.600 It's an idea of freedom to live the way that you want, as long as it doesn't negatively impact your neighbor.

00:17:12.860 And that's why so many people came here from all over the world.

00:17:16.960 It's why it's still a destination country.

00:17:19.620 Can you imagine, uh, why people form caravans and try to get in here?

00:17:25.480 If this is a horrible, horrible place that's racist and tries to destroy people, why in the world didn't they get that information?

00:17:33.200 Why are they all still trying to get here?

00:17:35.280 It doesn't make any sense.

00:17:37.000 And it shows you how propaganda is used.

00:17:39.740 When I first started looking in, right after 9-11, started really paying attention and doing my homework and doing research.

00:17:48.940 And I, at one point thought, we all pretty much basically agree on the fundamental principles.

00:17:55.960 We disagree on policies.

00:17:57.480 But we agree on, you know, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the Bill of Rights.

00:18:02.880 That is long gone.

00:18:04.800 That is long, long gone.

00:18:08.920 Are we now in the minority?

00:18:12.960 Or is it just the media and the power of the government that's making us feel that way?

00:18:19.280 I don't think we're in the minority at all.

00:18:23.240 But, uh, I liken this to the kids on the third grade playground having a good time, just enjoying themselves.

00:18:30.600 And then along comes the guy who said, did you hear what he said about your mama?

00:18:33.920 Always trying to stir things up.

00:18:35.880 And you see, that's what the politicians and the media do.

00:18:39.420 Convince you that that person living next to you, who you were getting along just fine with, is your enemy.

00:18:45.060 Uh, because, you know, they support this person or that person, or, you know, they have a different opinion than you do.

00:18:52.160 You know, we all have different opinions.

00:18:54.140 We all grew up differently.

00:18:55.460 We've had different experiences in life.

00:18:57.780 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:18:59.660 Now, I always say if two people believe the same about everything, one of them isn't necessary.

00:19:04.160 You know, we need to be able to express ourselves, work together in a pluralistic society.

00:19:09.660 But that requires people actually sitting down and engaging in conversation, not getting their respective corners and throwing hand grenades at each other.

00:19:18.400 And it's like in a marriage.

00:19:20.060 You know, in the beginning, they love each other so much.

00:19:22.640 They talk all the time.

00:19:24.220 They want to be with each other.

00:19:26.140 You know, by the time they're ready to get divorced, they're not even talking to each other.

00:19:29.740 And the next thing you know, their spouse is the double incarnate. 0.97

00:19:33.600 That's what's going on in our country right now.

00:19:36.120 We, the people of America, are not each other's enemies, not by a long shot.

00:19:42.040 And we have a lot more that draws us together than what tears us apart.

00:19:45.920 But the media only focuses on those things that we disagree on and tries to magnify them.

00:19:52.520 And it's having a deleterious effect on our country.

00:19:56.380 This goes into a project that I want to talk to you about that you're working on now, the Cornerstone Institute.

00:20:01.040 But before we go there, I want to ask, you are, I think people like you so much.

00:20:11.440 There was a Gallup poll that puts you as like the fourth most admired man in America.

00:20:19.300 You were right in front of Stephen Hawking.

00:20:23.500 I'd like to point out that Stephen Hawking wasn't in America, but I think it might have even been a global poll.

00:20:28.500 But people like you because you're not a politician.

00:20:33.960 And that was one of the things that people wondered.

00:20:37.440 You know, you wanted to be president and you were just like, look, can we just can we just talk?

00:20:43.000 I mean, it was amazing to watch how not a politician you were when you were running.

00:20:50.420 But now that you've been in Washington, what surprised you in a good way and what surprised you in a bad way?

00:21:02.800 What did you learn?

00:21:05.880 Well, first of all, you learn that there are some good people in Washington.

00:21:09.560 Some of the career people who've been there for 20, 30, 40, even 50 years have a lot of valuable information.

00:21:19.020 And it was good to be able to work with them as we develop some of the policies, let them have some ownership.

00:21:27.300 And I think for that reason, a lot of the things that we did probably will survive even this new administration,

00:21:34.260 because a lot of the career people are invested in them as well.

00:21:38.200 And some of them are just tremendous people.

00:21:42.440 In terms of bad things, I learned that the swamp is much deeper and wider than I expected.

00:21:50.120 And it's not just people in one party.

00:21:57.660 The swamp creatures are abundant throughout the system.

00:22:02.300 And they like the advantages that they get from position.

00:22:08.240 And in many cases, they care much more about that than they do about the people.

00:22:13.400 And you have to factor that into everything that you're doing, which is really rather sad.

00:22:18.760 Someone who came to Washington with the idea of being an advocate for the people and doing what's right will frequently be demonized.

00:22:32.560 And they will try to find ways to negate you very quickly.

00:22:36.940 And particularly if you're doing things that disturb the peace of the swamp.

00:22:44.780 I do not like that at all.

00:22:46.860 Donald Trump was a disturber.

00:22:50.280 Now, you know, he could have done it in a nicer way.

00:22:57.460 You too could not be more different on your approach.

00:23:01.920 That was the nicest thing.

00:23:03.820 That's the nicest way I've heard anybody describe Donald Trump.

00:23:07.260 How he could have been different.

00:23:09.160 Phil, philosophically, he and I are very, very similar.

00:23:15.440 But personality-wise, I think we're in the opposite of the spectrum.

00:23:20.020 But, you know, what people need to recognize is good things happen with good policy.

00:23:27.860 When you begin to reduce the regulatory burden, the entrepreneurial spirit, the innovation of the American people really comes through.

00:23:37.960 Look how many new businesses were established over the last four years that would not have occurred before because of all the regulatory barriers.

00:23:45.980 And how the unemployment numbers just plunged for everybody, in particular, the minority communities.

00:23:52.980 That's one of the reasons that Donald Trump was attracting so much support in the Hispanic and the black communities.

00:23:59.480 And the swamp creatures saw that as a major threat.

00:24:04.300 So was it about him as a person and the things that he said online?

00:24:14.080 Or was it really cast from the beginning?

00:24:18.300 This guy is not going to play ball and he's going to kick doors down and break windows and and put an end to our comfy little party.

00:24:31.160 Well, I think they knew that they were already talking about impeaching him before he was even president.

00:24:37.460 And he continued to talk about it throughout his presidency and impeached him twice.

00:24:44.620 And if they had a chance, they didn't impeach him again.

00:24:47.320 I mean, but it's just such hatred for what he represents.

00:24:53.320 It wasn't as much the rhetoric, which, you know, admittedly was not always something that I would use.

00:25:04.440 But it wasn't so much that as the fact that he was disturbing the habitat of the swamp creatures on both sides of the aisle.

00:25:18.940 And, you know, I could tell you about things that were going on on Trump's side of the aisle, too, that would curl your hair.

00:25:27.920 I just can't really talk about them in public, but it's pretty bad.

00:25:32.340 Are we salvageable at this point?

00:25:37.380 I mean, at some point, you know, God bless America.

00:25:40.500 He has blessed us.

00:25:42.500 But we God's not on our side.

00:25:45.980 You know, Lincoln made this very clear in the Civil War.

00:25:48.880 How can both sides claim God?

00:25:51.140 God is on God's side with his plan and he loves all of his children.

00:25:56.880 He just wants you to be on his side.

00:25:58.840 And I don't feel America is a vastly different place than it was 20 years ago.

00:26:08.360 And it has changed dramatically.

00:26:11.180 You're right.

00:26:12.320 But.

00:26:12.880 If God was willing to save Solomon and Gomorrah for 10 people.

00:26:19.600 And God plays the long game, not the short game like we do.

00:26:24.820 I think there's a lot of hope.

00:26:26.700 I talk to a lot of people out there all the time.

00:26:30.120 Good, decent American people.

00:26:32.680 They don't have much of a voice.

00:26:34.440 There's no question about that.

00:26:36.080 And sometimes they think they're a voice crying in the wilderness alone.

00:26:42.280 It's not true.

00:26:44.460 You know, Jeremiah thought that, you know, he was alone.

00:26:50.040 There were a whole lot of other people.

00:26:53.820 He just didn't know about them.

00:26:55.940 And that is the case in America today.

00:26:58.520 We are going to need the kind of leadership that will help to galvanize those people and give those people the kind of courage to stand up for what they believe in.

00:27:12.060 You know, you look at how the left tries to cancel people and to boycott everything.

00:27:17.840 If the other side starts doing that, they'll get equal play, believe me, because a lot of this is about dollars on the bottom line.

00:27:29.440 A lot of these companies that come out and support Antifa and BLM and all this stuff, they do it for economic reasons.

00:27:39.880 And if they also start to feel the pressure from the other side, believe me, they're going to moderate their stance pretty quickly.

00:27:46.920 Well, there's a the right is torn on this.

00:27:52.160 I mean, I've read enough Martin Luther King to understand enough Gandhi and enough Jesus to understand the the peaceful activism and the peace, the movement of peace and how powerful that is.

00:28:06.840 But I've also read enough Martin Luther King to know that he also said if it wasn't for the boycotts, we wouldn't have made the progress that we made.

00:28:16.220 That's essential. And because the right, they're just not built that way.

00:28:23.880 You know, that's a tool of the left and the right is always hated it.

00:28:28.420 I don't think that they feel comfortable with it.

00:28:32.740 They don't feel comfortable with the peaceful movement.

00:28:35.220 They don't feel comfortable with an angry what happened in, you know, January 6th.

00:28:40.000 They're not comfortable with that either.

00:28:41.820 But they don't know.

00:28:43.860 They think that, you know, the Gandhi movement is is, you know, isn't going to do anything.

00:28:53.220 And they think that boycotts are wrong and that private companies should have a right to do whatever they want.

00:29:00.420 So if they want to ban somebody's speech, they can do it.

00:29:03.620 Make the case that we need to open our eyes and see that we're in a different world.

00:29:07.860 And those things are effective.

00:29:09.860 Well, the case is made by our children and by our grandchildren.

00:29:16.580 Do you want them to have the same opportunities you've had?

00:29:20.200 Do you want them to live in a land of freedom?

00:29:24.020 Or do you want them always looking over their shoulder, always wondering who's listening to them and who's going to shut them down?

00:29:31.980 Who's going to persecute their family?

00:29:33.740 It's a serious, serious issue.

00:29:37.220 And we're at the flexion point, inflection point right now.

00:29:41.780 We are in the same position as those patriots who fought for the freedom of this country.

00:29:49.760 And the odds almost look the same, too.

00:29:52.920 You know, they didn't have much of a chance against the most powerful empire in the world, a bunch of ragtag militiamen. 0.96

00:30:01.420 But what they had was heart.

00:30:03.740 And they had faith.

00:30:06.280 They believed in God.

00:30:08.980 And we say we are one nation under God.

00:30:14.280 We say that.

00:30:15.940 Our Pledge of Allegiance.

00:30:18.400 We mention God.

00:30:21.880 Every bill in our pocket, every coin says, in God we trust.

00:30:27.620 On the walls of many of our buildings, including many of our courtrooms.

00:30:31.960 It says, in God we trust.

00:30:34.580 Are they just empty words?

00:30:37.120 Is there a reason that our country accelerated to the pinnacle of the world in record time?

00:30:45.640 Mm-hmm.

00:30:46.140 That was more than just what you can explain naturally?

00:30:51.700 When George Washington was down to his last battalion of troops on Long Island.

00:30:58.240 And the British had surrounded them on land and sea.

00:31:03.360 And it looked impossible.

00:31:05.160 It looked like the war was over.

00:31:07.700 What happened?

00:31:09.400 The meteorological records will show you that a dense fog came down.

00:31:15.240 And it stayed not only overnight, but into the next day.

00:31:18.820 And his troops were able to escape.

00:31:21.140 Now, some people say, it's just a coincidence.

00:31:23.340 It's not a coincidence.

00:31:25.660 And George Washington had a very, very strong faith in God.

00:31:29.980 So, I think if we claim those godly principles, and what do those godly principles say?

00:31:37.640 They say, love your neighbor.

00:31:41.260 Have compassion upon the poor.

00:31:44.920 Develop your talent so that you become valuable to the people around you.

00:31:48.440 Have values and principles that govern your life.

00:31:53.380 If we adhere to those things, God will be there.

00:31:57.680 He will not allow our country to be destroyed and taken into socialism.

00:32:04.840 If we go there, and if other powers become the ruling powers, the world goes right back to the way it used to be before the power of the United States was exerted.

00:32:19.100 A bunch of despotic leaders destroying anyone who is weaker than they are.

00:32:24.840 We don't want that.

00:32:25.960 So, it's not just a matter of the United States.

00:32:28.880 It's just a matter of the world.

00:32:31.660 My daughter, three weeks ago, had brain surgery.

00:32:38.040 And I have, she had strokes at birth.

00:32:40.820 And I have witnessed technological and medical miracles.

00:32:48.120 Things that couldn't have been done before.

00:32:50.860 She went through a WADA test.

00:32:54.880 I know you know what that is.

00:32:57.040 A terrifying on the outside.

00:32:59.300 Terrifying kind of test.

00:33:01.760 She went in for surgery. 0.88

00:33:04.200 They drilled the hole in her head. 0.72

00:33:07.000 About the size maybe of a dime.

00:33:09.280 Instead of taking the full skull cap off.

00:33:12.240 The technological future is so incredibly bright.

00:33:20.440 We are at the precipice of miracles.

00:33:24.320 We have now in Israel a new replacement for a cornea.

00:33:31.920 We've fixed now a third of the blindness on earth with that one piece of technology.

00:33:41.760 At the same time, we have technology that Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, any of them would have given everything for. 0.62

00:33:57.280 Because we can be sorted and found and silenced rapidly.

00:34:03.900 What do you see over the horizon, both good and bad?

00:34:10.060 Well, again, I come back to my faith in the American people.

00:34:17.360 There actually, there's a lot of common sense in the population at large.

00:34:23.980 This is something I discovered when I was running for president.

00:34:26.320 And, you know, I was in every little hamlet, all 50 states, all over the place.

00:34:33.860 I was so impressed with the questions that people asked and with the common sense that they used to regulate their own lives.

00:34:42.360 And it's very apparent to me that if you leave people to their own devices, able to utilize the resources they have and the intellect they have, they will do just fine.

00:34:58.740 And we will do just fine.

00:35:01.140 But when you have this desire to control everyone, you know, I go back to something Khrushchev said.

00:35:12.360 You know, a lot of your leaders said, Khrushchev, who's he talking about?

00:35:16.440 This Soviet leader, many, many years ago, he said, your grandchildren's children will live under communism.

00:35:26.060 That's what he said about us.

00:35:28.600 And he knew what was necessary.

00:35:32.420 And you look at some of the writings of Lenin and Stalin and Marx, and what do you have to do to achieve that?

00:35:42.360 You have to gain control of the school system so that you can indoctrinate the kids.

00:35:49.640 You have to create enormous social financial debt so that you can justify raising taxes so that you can take the money that is being produced back into the government so the government can control it.

00:36:07.600 You want to create dependency amongst the people so that they will do what you want them to do.

00:36:16.880 You have to control their health care.

00:36:20.400 In fact, they said that is the linchpin.

00:36:23.360 Because really, when push comes to shove, the most important thing you have is your health.

00:36:28.700 And you look at what people are doing now to get a vaccination.

00:36:36.860 Believe me, there are those who are observing this.

00:36:39.860 They're saying, you know, how can we use this in the future to control people?

00:36:46.800 And it's all about control versus freedom.

00:36:50.680 America is about freedom.

00:36:53.420 Control is what other people were trying to escape.

00:36:55.980 And the real question is, do we understand that?

00:37:01.480 And are we willing to fight for it?

00:37:03.580 If we're not willing to fight for it, the natural consequence is it disappears.

00:37:09.640 Well, one of our founders, I think it was Franklin, but I'm not sure.

00:37:12.980 One of our founders said that people don't really want freedom.

00:37:16.140 They want security.

00:37:16.980 The majority of people want just to be left alone, to go on with their life.

00:37:25.580 And that is freedom.

00:37:26.720 But they also don't want to suffer so much.

00:37:30.760 And that's why the Declaration of Independence says that the people will suffer until it becomes suffering that is intolerable.

00:37:38.660 That's when they rise up.

00:37:40.840 I'm not sure where that line is anymore.

00:37:43.580 It does say that.

00:37:45.860 Most people don't know about that, Glenn.

00:37:47.540 I'm glad you brought that up.

00:37:48.940 It says, you know, we'll tolerate the government as long as it is working for us.

00:37:57.560 But the people have the right to change it if it's not.

00:38:00.360 Yeah.

00:38:01.040 And it's really interesting.

00:38:02.680 People say that, you know, hey, we have a right to revolution and we can overthrow the government or whatever.

00:38:08.960 But you really you do and you don't you can't replace this government with just anything.

00:38:16.000 You can't overthrow this system of government to adopt communism, socialism and oligarchy.

00:38:22.920 It says that the right of the people to abolish they have that.

00:38:29.920 But it says, but comma, they will establish something in its place that will secure those rights better than the last.

00:38:43.960 So we can make this more free, but we're not supposed to make it less free.

00:38:49.540 But do those words even mean anything to even people in Washington, Ben?

00:38:55.160 I'm not sure that that they've really thought about it, to be honest with you, Glenn.

00:38:59.980 They are so caught up in their power schemes.

00:39:06.160 You know, both parties, you know, how do we get control?

00:39:11.080 Not how do we fix America?

00:39:12.900 Not how do we help the people that have a higher quality of life, but how do we get control?

00:39:21.120 And, you know, the left has done a masterful job.

00:39:24.820 I got to give them credit.

00:39:26.540 You know, no, it's brilliant.

00:39:27.840 They thought they thought about this for a long time.

00:39:31.040 If you really want to see what's going on, read the book Rules for Radicals.

00:39:37.080 I mean, it just puts everything down.

00:39:41.640 You can see all of that happening, and our society executed it very well.

00:39:47.580 And if the right, or not even the right, but the people, and there are good people, believe me, in both parties.

00:39:59.640 One party has sort of left its calling and gone off on an extreme.

00:40:06.940 And I think a lot of the people in that party don't quite know where to go.

00:40:13.320 And I think that may be true in both cases.

00:40:16.960 You know, I'm not advocating for a third party, but I am saying that people themselves have got to take responsibility.

00:40:28.960 You can't just be passive at a time like this when, in fact, things are happening that could change this country forever and that could have a profound negative effect on us and the rest of the world.

00:40:44.260 So that brings me, I think, to the Cornerstone Institute, because what you just said,

00:40:51.560 even though you said it like only Dr. Ben Carson could say it so calmly and rationally,

00:40:57.420 somebody will take that out of context and say that you were calling for an uprising.

00:41:02.940 And there are people, I hear people all the time on both sides say, you know, what Antifa is doing is right.

00:41:12.260 And maybe that's the way it should be.

00:41:14.840 Chaos is not the answer.

00:41:18.240 Revolution is they ours is the only revolution in the history of the world that ended with the same people that started it. 0.78

00:41:28.500 Once you start that fire, it's it can burn completely out of control.

00:41:34.920 But people don't know what to do.

00:41:37.040 They did the Tea Party and that was mocked and ridiculed.

00:41:39.520 They elected Donald Trump, who was a hammer.

00:41:43.440 And look at what happened, what happened to him.

00:41:46.300 And people will think, if he can't do it, who could possibly do it?

00:41:52.380 So what do they do, Ben?

00:41:55.040 Well, they're going to have to stop being complacent.

00:42:01.260 Complacency is that part of the eight points of civilization that precedes tyranny.

00:42:09.240 So that means we have to become active.

00:42:13.120 That means you've got to go to your legislative bodies and make sure that they understand that when it comes to voting, one vote per person and no hanky-panky.

00:42:29.700 You can't turn those responsibilities over to the governor.

00:42:32.740 You can't turn them over to the secretary of state.

00:42:35.060 You can't make changes a few weeks before the vote that will impact the vote and favor one side or the other side.

00:42:44.640 The people have to ensure that that doesn't happen.

00:42:47.620 And they need to make the legislators know that if they allow it to happen, that they will throw them out.

00:42:53.260 Ben, what you just said could be interpreted as saying, what I believe, I don't know if there were enough votes to change the outcome of this election, but I know there was fraud in this election.

00:43:10.460 I know that there were things, like you just said, changing the structure, not through the legislature, but through the governor's office or through the secretary of state's office.

00:43:20.900 Those things are being institutionalized right now in Congress.

00:43:25.160 They're pushing through, trying to, H.R. 1, which would make all of the elections federal.

00:43:32.020 So what you just said is a conspiracy theory, according to those in power, those who want to have truth squads.

00:43:42.020 So how do you get that message out and for how long can you?

00:43:54.400 Well, you know, you have to be brave.

00:43:58.040 You can't cower in the corner.

00:44:00.160 You have to speak the truth.

00:44:01.880 The truth is that we need to have open, transparent elections.

00:44:06.260 And anything that precludes that is something that we need to deal with.

00:44:14.660 And, you know, it's sort of like, you know, you stole the cookies from the cookie jar.

00:44:21.820 But then you get to make a rule that says no investigating who stole the cookies from the cookie jar.

00:44:27.980 And in fact, you even talk about it.

00:44:30.100 You know, we're going to punish you.

00:44:31.260 You know, we don't want that.

00:44:34.760 That's not America.

00:44:36.520 And that doesn't help the left.

00:44:38.120 That doesn't help the right.

00:44:39.340 Well, it helps the one who happens to be in the power at the time.

00:44:42.940 But, you know, things change.

00:44:45.500 And we have to go back to wanting a system of liberty, freedom, and justice for all of our people.

00:44:56.460 And if we want something other than that, like major control over people's lives, that is at variance with the ideal of America.

00:45:07.920 We have to decide, which one do we want?

00:45:11.960 Do we want the utopian society where you give the government all power and they take care of you from cradle to grave?

00:45:20.520 Or do we want a system where people have equal rights and equal opportunity and the government protects those opportunities and rights, but the government does make that makes no attempt to control your life?

00:45:36.200 Are we headed towards a – my opinion on this has changed.

00:45:43.700 I thought we were headed towards a Marxist utopia is what they were striving for.

00:45:49.860 I think that's a ruse.

00:45:51.420 I think those people are being used.

00:45:53.100 I think we are headed for much – something much more like Russia, an oligarchy, where you have these giant corporations that can change and go around the Constitution because they're private corporations that are colluding with many people in powerful positions in countries all over the world.

00:46:16.000 And, you know, you see it with Facebook and Google, they're playing a game with Congress, and Congress is playing a game with them.

00:46:26.560 They actually need each other, I think, at least those who like to be the swamp creatures. 0.52

00:46:32.520 And so are we headed towards, you know, what Saul Alinsky wanted, which was Marxism, or are we headed towards something different where it's not about Marxism, it's more like Chinese capitalism?

00:46:53.240 If you're in and you'll play ball, you're fine.

00:46:57.320 If you don't, you're trouble.

00:46:59.340 Well, you know, there's a saying, Glenn, it's always darkest before the dawn.

00:47:07.920 But we were sliding gradually and almost imperceptibly to what you just described.

00:47:17.940 But what's happening right now is like taking a cold fish and slapping us in the face.

00:47:25.380 We're going to wake up.

00:47:26.600 But this is not who we are.

00:47:31.280 20 years ago, if people had described today's America to you, we'd say, oh, come on, that's not going to happen.

00:47:39.920 Here it is facing us.

00:47:42.960 The only people who can change it is us.

00:47:47.160 And no, I'm not advocating for the forceful overthrow of the government, but I am advocating for people to think, to think about what's going on, to think about your children, to think about your grandchildren, and to think about what you can do about it.

00:48:05.380 Are you going to accept these massive changes in the control of your life, or are you going to fight for freedom?

00:48:15.260 That is what America stands for.

00:48:17.260 Ben, you grew up poor.

00:48:21.000 You grew up with a mom who worked her brains out to be able to give you a better life. 1.00

00:48:26.300 You've lived the American dream.

00:48:28.360 I do believe there are racists in the country.

00:48:35.960 I do believe there are people who have racist tendencies and don't really know it, don't think of themselves that way.

00:48:43.000 But I certainly don't think the majority of people are like that.

00:48:46.540 I certainly don't think that America is defined by race.

00:48:52.480 In fact, it's an insult to Martin Luther King and all that marched with him, all that came with him and before him.

00:49:05.540 It's an insult to people like Booker T. Washington on what's going on.

00:49:10.840 Are we a racist nation, or is this just about categorizing, separating, and keeping us angry with each other?

00:49:22.720 Well, you know, racism is based on ignorance.

00:49:26.800 And, you know, what is most important about a person?

00:49:32.080 The color of their skin or the content of their character?

00:49:36.000 Content of the character.

00:49:36.760 What they think.

00:49:37.640 And, you know, children are not born racist.

00:49:42.840 They're taught to be racist.

00:49:45.420 They're taught to hate other people.

00:49:47.620 But I can tell you, having lived in this country for 69 years, that it has changed dramatically.

00:49:57.520 You know, when I was a kid growing up in Detroit and Boston, examples of massive racism I saw every single day.

00:50:06.560 Life was completely different than it is now.

00:50:11.920 And I'll tell you something.

00:50:14.300 As a psychology major, you know, I did a lot of studying human behavior and human expectations.

00:50:22.000 If you go into a situation and you are pre-programmed to believe that everybody there is a racist, then you interpret everything they say as racist.

00:50:36.420 Right.

00:50:36.660 And that's what we're doing now.

00:50:40.660 We're teaching our children America is a racist country. 1.00

00:50:45.760 All white people are racist. 1.00

00:50:48.320 They owe you something. 1.00

00:50:49.280 They're teaching black people that you are victims. 1.00

00:50:52.620 And the policies that come from white guilt and black victimhood are horrible. 0.98

00:51:00.540 Things like abolish the police, defund, I mean, just absolutely crazy things that make no sense whatsoever.

00:51:09.400 People obviously haven't thought them through, haven't looked at the consequences, certainly haven't looked at the data in places where they have tried to defund the police and see how the crime rates are dramatically increasing.

00:51:21.860 They just close their eyes to all this.

00:51:26.680 And, you know, you look at even things like energy, the Green New Deal, which is just an excuse to take control of everything because you can hook almost everything back to the environment.

00:51:42.640 And I'm a tremendous environmentalist and, you know, I love nature.

00:51:49.600 I do everything to preserve it.

00:51:51.820 But that doesn't mean going crazy.

00:51:54.140 You know, you look at the Keystone Pipeline, for instance.

00:51:57.220 Now, you're going to cancel the jobs of all those people.

00:52:03.760 And it's not just the 11,000 workers.

00:52:07.120 It's all the people in those communities that depend on those people.

00:52:13.220 You know, it's a domino effect.

00:52:15.560 And you're doing that in the face of a system of energy transport that is much cleaner than using trucks and trains.

00:52:25.920 We have the cleanest air and the cleanest water that we've had since we began measuring those things.

00:52:32.200 We've become energy independent.

00:52:34.300 We're a net exporter of energy.

00:52:37.140 I mean, that's a tremendous position to be in.

00:52:39.520 Now, that doesn't mean I don't like renewable green energy.

00:52:43.380 I do.

00:52:43.860 I think we should be working on that.

00:52:46.380 But we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

00:52:49.720 We can take advantage of what we have to get what we want.

00:52:54.180 We don't have to shock the system, throw people out of their jobs, disrupt communities in order to appease some political component who only cares about their specific titles, groups, and things that they're advocating for.

00:53:14.680 Who's in charge of the parties now?

00:53:18.440 Let's start with the left.

00:53:22.260 Is the left running the Democrats or are the Democrats using the left?

00:53:28.220 What's happening?

00:53:29.520 Whose agenda is this?

00:53:32.220 Well, of course, we have seen over the last few years the radical element in the left exercise greater and greater control.

00:53:45.620 And, you know, when you look at the number of executive orders that have been signed recently, most of them cater to the desires of the extreme left.

00:53:56.400 This is problematic in a situation where we have a president who says he wants to bring people together.

00:54:06.860 But I'm not sure what he means by that based on what's been going on.

00:54:13.260 And I just hope at some point we don't have tit for tat because, you know, believe it or not, the power will shift again.

00:54:25.040 And, you know, if we always say they did this, therefore, we're going to do even more.

00:54:30.800 How do we ever make any progress?

00:54:32.760 You know, we lurch from left to right, left to right.

00:54:35.660 No forward progress while that is going on.

00:54:38.720 But right now, the extreme left seems to be in control.

00:54:44.520 And I'm sure that they're very happy about it.

00:54:47.360 In 1999, I was on the air in New York City and I was defending Clinton's bombing of the bot of the aspirin factory.

00:54:55.300 If you remember that happened, they said it was for political reasons.

00:54:58.380 I said, no, he was going after a guy named Osama bin Laden.

00:55:02.900 And and I read Osama bin Laden's words and I said on the air, there are going to be blood bodies and buildings in the streets of New York in the next 10 years.

00:55:14.560 And it will have his fingerprints and his name all over it.

00:55:18.160 Same thing happened with the caliphate. 0.81

00:55:21.060 Everybody mocked me for the caliphate.

00:55:24.100 You know, you said earlier, can you imagine saying these things 20 years ago?

00:55:27.340 Yeah, I was saying them 15 years ago and mocked and ridiculed by, you know, all the great thinkers.

00:55:34.400 The reason why I can see these things is because I take them at their word.

00:55:40.380 When somebody who has power or wants power says, you know what? 1.00

00:55:47.660 I'm going to round up all the Jews and kill them. 1.00

00:55:50.600 You might laugh at that when he first publishes Mein Kampf. 1.00

00:55:54.520 But if he gets the power, he will do that.

00:55:58.680 People aren't taking people seriously.

00:56:00.920 And I wonder, do you take them seriously when they say we've got to reeducate, reprogram white supremacists, supremacists, that there are there are white supremacist terror groups out there.

00:56:17.640 And then they conflate those with Trump supporters or GOP members.

00:56:24.380 Do you take them seriously when they say we have to stop these people at all costs?

00:56:31.480 Well, you know, I've been accused of being a white supremacist. 0.99

00:56:34.960 I mean, it's just so ridiculous. 0.99

00:56:39.040 But, you know, if you don't agree with them, you know, their mission is to destroy you. 0.97

00:56:46.540 And that's the unity that they're talking about.

00:56:49.460 Destroy everybody who disagrees with you so you can have uniformity in the community.

00:56:54.300 We're not the first society to try that.

00:56:59.100 It never turns out well.

00:57:01.240 I wish people would study their history a little bit more to find out how these things end up.

00:57:07.880 Well, they sound good.

00:57:09.620 They sound good.

00:57:10.900 Yeah, but they don't end.

00:57:12.320 They don't end well.

00:57:13.200 And when we don't have principles in common, we don't have anything to unify and we don't have principles in common.

00:57:25.000 It seems like, you know, I will join hands and and defend you every step of the way if you believe in the Bill of Rights.

00:57:34.480 If you believe in the Bill of Rights, we can disagree on policies night and day.

00:57:39.100 But if you believe in the Bill of Rights, I'm with you 100 percent.

00:57:43.840 Absolutely.

00:57:44.700 We're not having those conversations.

00:57:47.080 Well, you know, what's what's critical here is, you know, you look at the First Amendment and our ability to speak freely and what we believe and believe what we want to believe.

00:57:59.600 And some people say, well, that's not under threat.

00:58:02.840 The government's not imposing any restrictions on people.

00:58:07.420 But you know what?

00:58:09.100 When our founders started writing about that, they weren't just saying only if it's imposed by the government, is it bad?

00:58:19.360 It's bad no matter where it comes from.

00:58:21.460 It was the concept of restricting people's freedom of speech that was antithetical to the concepts of providing a nation of free people.

00:58:32.960 That's the first step.

00:58:34.660 That's the first step.

00:58:36.440 And, you know, what I can't understand is how the news media doesn't understand this.

00:58:44.660 You know, they're facilitating a transition.

00:58:48.100 And all you have to do is study history and you will see that communists and socialists, the first thing they do is control the media.

00:58:56.580 So are they advocating for their own freedom, extinction?

00:59:04.280 I hope they will give that some thought.

00:59:10.980 I just think that they are surrounded in their own little bubbles.

00:59:15.440 And they all think that they're right.

00:59:17.800 And they all think that they know the answer.

00:59:19.900 And they also all think that, well, it'll never be turned on them.

00:59:24.620 And we're starting to see people who are on the left be eaten by the left.

00:59:31.880 And while I don't revel in anyone's pain, it's going to take that kind of pain on the left for them to finally wake up and go, wait, wait, wait.

00:59:43.600 I mean, I was on your side.

00:59:45.300 It kills me how the press treats Antifa.

00:59:50.360 And then they're shocked when Antifa says, you're part of the problem.

00:59:53.400 I mean, you can't deal with that.

00:59:59.620 Yeah.

01:00:00.360 Well, I mean, when you deal with a poisonous snake, you may think it's your friend because they killed a rat. 0.97

01:00:08.420 But believe me, they'll kill you, too.

01:00:11.280 And that's what we're dealing with, these very dangerous groups who don't believe in America as a concept, 0.95

01:00:20.280 who think that we're evil, who think that we need to be destroyed, and that all of our people need to be controlled and re-educated.

01:00:28.820 This is serious stuff.

01:00:30.620 And, you know, you've got people, they spend all their time looking for entertainment and, you know, fun.

01:00:40.140 And, you know, we're in a battle here.

01:00:43.840 And again, I'm not advocating for people to go out and grab their guns and go and fight.

01:00:49.700 You know, you go to Washington, D.C., and you see it looks like a fortified camp there.

01:00:58.100 And I don't think there's any necessity for that, quite frankly.

01:01:01.040 But we do need people to be willing to stand up for what you believe in.

01:01:09.340 America is the salvation of the world.

01:01:12.780 It is the beacon of freedom and prosperity for the world.

01:01:19.020 Ben, I can talk to you about this because you're a devoutly religious man.

01:01:23.820 It's beyond freedom.

01:01:25.420 When you said we are the salvation of the world, we are entering a world where there is no concept of redemption.

01:01:35.120 And that is one of the most important and impactful concepts on all of humanity as an individual and collectively.

01:01:48.680 If there is no salvation, then there then there is there's no hope.

01:01:55.780 There's no hope.

01:01:57.740 And that's true.

01:02:00.080 And we are a nation that was based on Judeo-Christian values.

01:02:05.940 And if we throw those out, we have to replace them with something else.

01:02:10.880 That something else does not say love your neighbor.

01:02:15.380 That something else says cancel your neighbor.

01:02:17.600 Where does that lead in the long run?

01:02:21.560 I cannot think of a good outcome for hatred and revenge.

01:02:28.800 It never leads to a good place.

01:02:31.020 I said, I don't know, five, six years ago, I was going to stop using the word evil because it's so overused.

01:02:37.660 And evil, I believe, is real.

01:02:39.700 And it is a force.

01:02:40.880 But there's a difference between I look at things like critical race theory and I see what it is teaching.

01:02:49.160 It is teaching division, hatred, dependency.

01:02:52.920 All of the things that just destroy societies, destroy families, destroy individuals and puts them really one way or another, literally or figuratively into bondage.

01:03:08.460 And it's the only word I can what's being taught right now, what's being pushed.

01:03:15.120 The only word I can use to describe it is evil.

01:03:18.440 Well, it can only happen with the complicity of the media in this country.

01:03:26.960 There's a reason that the very First Amendment protects the press.

01:03:33.260 And the press is the only business that the United States Constitution protects.

01:03:38.480 Why?

01:03:39.660 Because they were supposed to disseminate unbiased information to the people.

01:03:45.920 They were supposed to be the watchdogs.

01:03:48.200 They were not supposed to be the advocates for one philosophy or another.

01:03:53.260 They were supposed to be right down the middle.

01:03:55.520 And they've rejected that and are largely responsible for what's going on in our nation right now.

01:04:02.560 Tell me about the Cornerstone Institute, because, you know, when I first I read your article on I think it was Politico and, you know, you use two words that I've grown to really despise.

01:04:18.920 That is think tank.

01:04:20.180 We don't need another think tank.

01:04:22.480 We need a do tank. 0.98

01:04:23.680 I mean, what happened in the 1980s is the left got their act together in an in a dark sort of way and put together the Tides Foundation.

01:04:33.280 And that idea was we have to infiltrate the the board of directors at all the major corporations.

01:04:41.340 We we need to be able to fight on the street.

01:04:44.480 We need people to give money.

01:04:46.080 But it'll go into this and it'll be kind of shadow money.

01:04:48.880 I mean, it's a very it's the reason we're in the situation we're in now.

01:04:54.520 But they develop something to do something.

01:04:59.320 What what is Cornerstone going to do?

01:05:04.180 Well, first of all, what we've done as a nation is we've taken our Cornerstone principles.

01:05:09.960 Things like liberty and life and community and faith.

01:05:17.840 And we've pushed those things aside.

01:05:21.700 So we want to bring those things back to the forefront.

01:05:26.340 We want to fight for those things.

01:05:29.360 But we also want people to begin to openly discuss those things.

01:05:34.700 One of the things I learned when I was at HUD is one of the ways that we make progress, particularly with affordable housing, is we would have town halls and we would have roundtables.

01:05:47.700 And you bring people from varying opinions to that table.

01:05:52.340 But you put on the middle of that table the facts, the evidence and say, let's see if we can come up with solutions we can agree on based on the facts, not based on your ideology.

01:06:04.700 But based on the facts, begin those conversations, and those people then are able to continue to work together.

01:06:13.320 This is called the United States of America.

01:06:17.060 We will never be successful as the divided states of America.

01:06:22.680 And that's what we're going to be concentrating on, those issues, that faith that allowed us to actually love our neighbor, not try to destroy our neighbor.

01:06:34.700 Those things that allow us to cherish the freedom, the liberty that we have, to pursue those things that we wish to pursue.

01:06:47.380 That community that allows us to work together and not be divided into hateful little groups.

01:06:58.660 And the respect for life, as we throw away our respect for life from the womb to the tomb, we become a coarser kind of people, a more callous type of people.

01:07:17.180 And when you become like that, you become like the barbarians.

01:07:21.280 That's not who we are.

01:07:22.640 We are so different from that.

01:07:25.640 We have been in the past.

01:07:27.160 And we can be, and we must be, because we are, as I said, the salvation of the world.

01:07:36.140 But if we throw away those principles, and we become just like everybody else, that's the end.

01:07:43.560 But I'm not a pessimist.

01:07:45.540 I'm an optimist.

01:07:46.500 And, like I said before, it's always darkest before the dawn.

01:07:51.300 Sometimes we need the darkness to wake us up.

01:07:54.620 And it's time for America to wake up.

01:07:58.340 People, we are not each other's enemies.

01:08:01.160 Do not believe that.

01:08:03.220 And one of the cornerstone's goals is to help to point out to the American people that we are not enemies.

01:08:10.220 And we have a lot more that binds us together than it separates us.

01:08:16.340 You sound a little like Abraham Lincoln there.

01:08:20.480 Ben Carson.

01:08:21.500 You're great.

01:08:22.220 Thank you so much.

01:08:24.020 It's good to talk to you again.

01:08:25.980 Thank you, Glenn.

01:08:26.840 I look forward to talking to you again.

01:08:28.640 You got it.

01:08:29.380 God bless.

01:08:30.060 Thank you.

01:08:30.680 You too.

01:08:31.160 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:08:43.960 Thank you.

The Glenn Beck Program - February 20, 2021

Ep 98 ｜ Dr. Ben Carson's Prescription to Heal America ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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