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00:02:03.780 Welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:02:09.020 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:12.200 Hello, America, from AmericaFest in Phoenix, Arizona today.

00:02:18.460 We've got quite the program for you, and Liz Wheeler is joining us in just a second.

00:02:22.880 We've got to cover a few things for sure, and that is the collapse of Fannie Willis.

00:02:28.720 That's over.

00:02:30.020 The story of who's running the country.

00:02:33.600 We actually have some insight on that today.

00:02:37.660 It's, what a surprise, not President Biden.

00:02:42.100 Also, gee, where did I put all of those troops, says the Pentagon.

00:02:48.180 The Pentagon says, oh, we miscounted.

00:02:52.000 We have more in Syria than we thought we did.

00:02:55.320 Oh, okay.

00:02:56.120 I don't mind misplacing money and people.

00:02:59.440 And what some are calling the collapse of the Republican unity.

00:03:04.980 It's not.

00:03:06.240 It's a small bump in the road that I am really happy is happening right now before the term begins.

00:03:13.120 I'll explain with Liz in 60 seconds.

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00:03:32.680 and the whole family is coming out because we know what it's like to be without a loved one,

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00:03:40.680 Well, there are people that have service members who have died.

00:03:44.480 There are cops or fire people who have died in the line of duty.

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00:04:43.460 Well, hello, Liz.

00:04:44.560 How are you?

00:04:45.420 I'm good.

00:04:46.060 I can hear the commotion behind you at AmFest.

00:04:48.680 I've got to tell you, the energy is coming all the way to Dallas.

00:04:52.480 I love that sort of thing.

00:04:53.480 I'm like, flag wave and patriotic.

00:04:55.380 Let's get the energy.

00:04:56.440 Let's get the energy up.

00:04:58.260 I'll tell you, AmericaFest and Charlie Kirk has done such an amazing thing with Turning Point USA.

00:05:05.980 But this is the new CPAC.

00:05:08.500 I mean, CPAC has been left in the dust.

00:05:10.660 And this is it.

00:05:13.060 I mean, I was walking the halls yesterday before it really even had anybody in here.

00:05:18.140 And you're seeing all of the power players here.

00:05:22.620 I don't know if Elon Musk is just going to, because he's living at Mar-a-Lago, I think.

00:05:26.620 So he might just, let me get on a plane with you and come.

00:05:30.580 But Donald Trump is going to be here.

00:05:32.800 I'm speaking.

00:05:33.640 I'm the keynote speaker today.

00:05:35.580 Donald Trump is the keynote speaker tomorrow.

00:05:37.980 And a lot to talk about.

00:05:41.580 Sorry.

00:05:42.480 No, I'm tomorrow.

00:05:44.040 And he's on Sunday.

00:05:45.320 Sorry.

00:05:45.700 Lost track of time.

00:05:47.180 I want to talk about the collapse of the unity.

00:05:52.040 Can you give this story to me, Liz, without, with just the details of everybody's arguing and hating on each other?

00:06:02.060 Yes, it is, of course.

00:06:03.180 If you listen to the mainstream media, it's a circular firing squad between Chip Roy, Donald Trump, and Elon Musk.

00:06:09.360 I don't view it that way at all.

00:06:12.460 I think that I actually like to see this kind of contention within the Republican ranks.

00:06:17.580 Because how lucky are we that two months ago we were debating good versus evil, and now we're debating good versus better.

00:06:26.300 This is a wonderful thing.

00:06:28.360 It also shows you that the Doge process is working.

00:06:33.340 Elon Musk said, listen.

00:06:34.580 Go ahead.

00:06:34.920 So, before we get there, what happened?

00:06:38.980 Because I was on a plane yesterday, so I didn't see the bill that was presented.

00:06:44.960 And I get off the plane, and everybody's hating on each other.

00:06:47.980 And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what just happened?

00:06:50.040 Mike Johnson proposed his bill on Wednesday, and that went to hell in a handbasket.

00:06:56.960 Thank God we got rid of that.

00:06:58.840 That would have been a nightmare.

00:07:00.140 Then they proposed a second bill, and it increased the debt ceiling, which has to be done by June or July of this year.

00:07:10.080 Increased it by $5 trillion.

00:07:12.640 And all of the conservatives, and quite frankly, conservatives like me, and I think you, that have been for stop raising the debt ceiling, let's get out of debt.

00:07:23.040 We started having this debate about the debt.

00:07:25.980 The debt ceiling has got to go up, unfortunately, at this time.

00:07:34.220 Well, let me finish what actually happened first before we get into that.

00:07:39.340 So, people like Chip Roy stood up, and Donald Trump had endorsed this.

00:07:45.880 They say it was a clear CR, but if I'm not mistaken,

00:07:49.760 wasn't there some other stuff in there, like protection for the January Sixers?

00:07:55.400 Was that left in, or was that taken out?

00:07:57.260 Do you know, Jill?

00:07:58.740 It was mostly clean.

00:08:02.320 The objectionable parts that you raised your voices against in the past couple of days were removed. 0.85

00:08:08.540 The reauthorization of the Global Engagement Center, the vaccine passports, that kind of garbage was taken out.

00:08:14.740 It did increase the debt ceiling.

00:08:17.040 Technically, I think it was an extension of the already increases, automatic increases.

00:08:22.680 And I understand, in principle, most of us don't want to increase the debt ceiling.

00:08:26.920 However, it became an argument last night about that specifically, which distracts from what I think the bigger picture is.

00:08:36.280 The bigger picture being, for a long time in Washington, D.C., in Congress, the people who have said they are fiscally conservative

00:08:43.900 haven't been effective in making that happen and making cuts.

00:08:47.620 So, what Donald Trump did is he hired what he considered to be the most brilliant man in our country to say,

00:08:52.960 retool this process and do it better.

00:08:55.200 Elon Musk came in with Doge and said, what we're going to do is be transparent with you.

00:08:59.780 We're going to tell you exactly what your tax money is being spent on, and then we're going to leave it to you to lobby your congressional members to cut that.

00:09:09.060 And, Glenn, that's exactly what happened this time.

00:09:11.060 We looked at that 1,500-page bill that Speaker Johnson had put forward.

00:09:16.140 We identified five or six egregious things in that bill, said no, and effectively, we were victorious.

00:09:22.660 We got that bill killed, which is, I think, very exciting.

00:09:26.760 And then we had this clean version, and then that's when the drama started.

00:09:32.020 Yeah, and that's when the drama started, because there are, and I'm one of them that have been so tired of,

00:09:39.000 oh, we're going to raise the debt, but then we're going to cut.

00:09:41.740 I don't believe anybody in Washington.

00:09:43.860 However, I do believe Donald Trump.

00:09:47.240 I do believe Elon Musk.

00:09:49.800 I do believe Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:09:51.800 I do believe, just for survival reasons alone, Donald Trump has got to take a hatchet to the size of this government.

00:10:02.320 Okay?

00:10:02.640 So let's just look at it from, I will be killed or I will be thwarted by this giant government,

00:10:09.980 and I've got to reduce the size so it doesn't have octopus arms everywhere trying to choke me out.

00:10:16.480 So I believe that he wants to cut the size of government, and I believe he has a plan to do it.

00:10:23.560 I believe that Elon Musk is a guy.

00:10:26.800 I mean, Donald Trump got famous for saying, you're fired.

00:10:31.040 Elon Musk is famous for actually firing people and cutting all of the non-essential.

00:10:39.140 So those two together have reasons.

00:10:43.220 One is, hey, this just needs to run like a sound operation,

00:10:46.840 and the other one is that plus, oh, and it's trying to kill me.

00:10:51.920 So I believe they're incentivized unlike anyone else in my lifetime to cut the size of the government.

00:11:01.240 Donald Trump, to me, and I love Chip Roy.

00:11:04.260 I love him.

00:11:05.220 I hope he replaces John Cornyn.

00:11:07.740 I love him.

00:11:08.300 However, at this point, I believe Donald Trump should be given the benefit of the doubt for this reason.

00:11:18.280 He's got to do, if he wants to fix America and make it truly great,

00:11:22.600 he can't do what the Democrats have done, and that is just start spending money like crazy and pushing money out the door.

00:11:29.720 He's got to return the money to you.

00:11:32.920 So he has to have these tax cuts, and he has to have them right now.

00:11:39.880 When he walks through the door, he has to have them.

00:11:43.060 So you're going to have this period where you're flipping the entire company of the United States government upside down.

00:11:51.740 You're in a transition period.

00:11:53.460 And so we're going to need to spend more as we cut more, but you cannot shut off the debt.

00:12:03.920 We're a trillion dollars every 100, I'm sorry, not a trillion, yeah, a trillion dollars every 100 days.

00:12:13.440 A trillion every 100 days.

00:12:15.940 We're a trillion dollars a year just in interest now.

00:12:20.080 You can't, five trillion is not a lot when you're playing with these numbers.

00:12:23.980 It's obscene to even say that.

00:12:27.420 We have to cut trillions out.

00:12:30.940 But Donald Trump, to be able to pull this off, he has got to make people's lives better quickly.

00:12:38.300 And the two ways to do it is first return money to the people,

00:12:43.100 and then to make it actually last, cut all of the regulation and all of the size of the government.

00:12:50.120 That one, we don't want to be fighting two battles.

00:12:53.220 We want to fight one battle.

00:12:56.280 And in my opinion, Donald Trump has shown me he's willing to take a bullet for the Constitution and the United States and for us.

00:13:05.420 I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt coupled with Elon Musk,

00:13:10.440 because I believe their intentions are aligned with my intentions and desires.

00:13:17.500 Does that make sense?

00:13:19.180 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:13:20.480 I think, like I said, it's a funny situation because they're both right.

00:13:25.340 Chip Roy is correct in principle that we should cut spending.

00:13:28.660 And Donald Trump and Elon Musk are correct in practice.

00:13:32.040 And so...

00:13:32.540 It's timing.

00:13:33.300 It's just timing.

00:13:34.380 It is timing.

00:13:35.220 They're actually both going to achieve, or they hope to achieve the same thing.

00:13:39.600 I concur with your analysis.

00:13:41.740 I have hope that Donald Trump is...

00:13:44.920 I mean, he's a changed man.

00:13:46.380 We've all seen this since he took a bullet to the ear.

00:13:50.600 He is viewing the world differently.

00:13:52.180 He's viewing his own life differently.

00:13:53.660 He's viewing his duty to us differently.

00:13:56.800 He's viewing his stewardship of our country differently.

00:13:59.660 He is doing something groundbreaking.

00:14:02.920 He is upending, disrupting the process in Congress that has been business as usual.

00:14:08.140 And it can be messy.

00:14:09.940 And maybe not everyone in Congress, even if they are principally correct, has quite grasped

00:14:15.120 that, oh, this is the new way that we're going to do things.

00:14:18.600 I think Donald Trump has this right.

00:14:20.940 Yeah, I do too.

00:14:21.740 And I think that the Republicans, the fiscally responsible Republicans, and it could turn

00:14:28.280 out that you're right and I'm wrong, but I really, truly believe disruption is where

00:14:34.640 we're going.

00:14:35.680 And this did disrupt.

00:14:38.900 And if we don't all stand together, they will disrupt us.

00:14:43.460 And I am not one to believe that the spending is going to magically go down.

00:14:48.800 I don't believe that.

00:14:49.900 But if you were a family and you were a business and you were running debt and you just didn't

00:14:56.640 want, you didn't know what to do.

00:14:58.020 How do I stop the hemorrhaging?

00:15:00.180 Who would, who in the world would be the best advisor that you could get?

00:15:04.840 Who in the world could you say, I need somebody to look at all these finances, figure out what's

00:15:10.100 what and how to cut and how to make my business stronger.

00:15:14.240 I can't imagine anyone better than Elon Musk.

00:15:18.200 So let's listen to Elon and Donald Trump.

00:15:23.840 And by the way, if anybody thinks that Elon is taking over, did you read how the tweets

00:15:27.960 came out?

00:15:29.140 He went to Donald Trump.

00:15:31.200 Trump and the vice president were working together on a statement and Elon came in and

00:15:36.580 said, hey, I want to release this.

00:15:38.440 Is it OK if I release this?

00:15:40.080 And Donald Trump read it and said, yeah, go for it.

00:15:42.360 That's where we are.

00:15:43.380 Go for it.

00:15:43.900 So Elon's not leading the president.

00:15:47.520 Believe me, the president has a plan.

00:15:51.160 Let's give him all the opportunities we can to let him execute it because we've all come

00:15:57.800 up with other plans and none of them have worked.

00:16:00.820 This one has some of the best minds in the world on it.

00:16:05.140 Let's let them do their job.

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00:17:37.000 Oh, yes.

00:17:38.480 This is the last broadcast of 2025 of the, or 2024 of the Glenn Beck program.

00:17:46.440 Liz Wheeler is filling in for Stu.

00:17:48.480 And it's been a pleasure to really get to know you, Liz.

00:17:51.800 I mean, we talk off air and stuff when you're in town.

00:17:55.020 But, you know, when you're in the trenches with somebody, you get to really know them.

00:17:59.040 And it's been a pleasure to work with you.

00:18:00.580 It really has.

00:18:01.180 Oh, thank you.

00:18:02.560 I, at the risk of sounding trite, I'm just sitting here in awe every day watching you

00:18:07.420 do your craft.

00:18:08.700 Furiously, when you see me typing on the laptop, it's me taking notes.

00:18:11.500 Do what Glenn is doing.

00:18:12.760 That is so funny.

00:18:14.520 Well, that's kind of you.

00:18:15.580 Thank you.

00:18:16.500 All right.

00:18:17.080 So, I think, do you have anything left to say on that?

00:18:20.880 We have our guy in Washington, the Blaze, Washington, D.C. correspondent.

00:18:27.100 He is absolutely great.

00:18:28.440 And he has boiled down in a story on Blaze, theblaze.com, that really lays this out.

00:18:34.680 He's going to be joining us in about an hour.

00:18:37.000 Anything else left to sweep up on this that you feel you haven't said yet, Liz?

00:18:41.740 I have one spicy take, one spicy take on the debt ceiling.

00:18:47.220 All right.

00:18:47.720 The debt has been increased by at least $31 trillion since we instituted the debt ceiling

00:18:53.760 limit, which means it doesn't work.

00:18:56.940 It doesn't work.

00:18:58.720 I'm a fiscal conservative, probably more so even maybe than Donald Trump.

00:19:02.960 I know that's a big claim.

00:19:03.960 But the debt ceiling itself is a mechanism that's just ineffective.

00:19:08.120 So, let's have that argument at a different time.

00:19:12.200 Because, you know what the debt ceiling limit is?

00:19:15.460 A pat on all of our heads.

00:19:17.720 A pat on every single voter's head going, yes, we agree that debt limit shouldn't be expanded.

00:19:23.480 We're going to keep it down.

00:19:24.460 We're working for you.

00:19:26.260 Now, go scurry off to bed. 1.00

00:19:28.380 Do your things.

00:19:30.020 And they don't mean it.

00:19:31.420 There's very few people.

00:19:32.820 That is the one thing I liked.

00:19:34.300 The number of people that stood up against this in the Republican Party was shocking to me.

00:19:41.100 It was great that we're starting to see some spines grow.

00:19:45.520 I just think it's the wrong time.

00:19:48.240 We're just a miss on our timing, I think.

00:19:53.360 It's just the wrong process.

00:19:54.700 It's the same goal.

00:19:56.240 We're on the same page.

00:19:58.220 Yeah.

00:19:58.480 Everything is changing, though.

00:19:59.860 Absolutely everything is changing.

00:20:01.140 All right.

00:20:02.640 So what else is in the news here?

00:20:04.740 Oh, we've got to tell you about the Joe Biden story from the Wall Street Journal.

00:20:09.820 Who's actually running the White House?

00:20:13.880 Well, it ain't Kamala.

00:20:16.040 And it ain't Joe Biden.

00:20:18.840 The Wall Street Journal has been talking to all of these insiders.

00:20:24.520 I think they said they had 80 insiders or 50 insiders that they spoke to.

00:20:29.640 And Joe Biden is not running things.

00:20:33.020 It's it's all the advisers to the president that are actually running things.

00:20:38.620 Who who is Jake Sullivan to step in front of a cabinet and say, this is what you need to do?

00:20:48.480 How dare you speak for anyone that is elected?

00:20:53.540 I mean, you can translate and tell people what they're saying, but you have you you are you were not elected by the American people.

00:21:02.700 And he's one of the guys making the decisions.

00:21:06.020 It's obscene.

00:21:07.900 Absolutely obscene.

00:21:09.260 One of the other things that we kind of an offshoot of the Jake Sullivan thing is we said that we only had 900 troops in Syria.

00:21:20.020 That's all that is, is just an easy, you know, fishbowl or a barrel of fish that makes every American soldiers soldier just sitting in a barrel rating to be shot.

00:21:31.480 Um, we don't have 900.

00:21:35.600 Apparently there was a little clerical error.

00:21:39.080 They actually have 2000 soldiers in Syria.

00:21:42.580 If the Pentagon doesn't know where the soldiers are, every single one of them, that's a real problem with the Pentagon.

00:21:54.600 If you think you only have 900 and you have 2000, who the hell is running this thing?

00:22:01.400 I know you can't keep track of money, but can you not keep track of America's sons and daughters?

00:22:06.140 I mean, the Pentagon, it is so important.

00:22:12.740 Doge becomes even more important when you hear that story.

00:22:16.980 Who's running it?

00:22:18.260 You can't balance a budget.

00:22:20.220 You haven't been able to reconcile your budget.

00:22:23.060 25 times you've had an audit and you fail every single time.

00:22:28.400 I run a charity.

00:22:29.940 I fail one audit and I'm in trouble.

00:22:32.700 You don't fail audits, not 25 times, and then start to misplace people too.

00:22:40.260 But it is people like Jake Sullivan that have been making all of the calls.

00:22:45.820 And let me tell you something, Jake and everyone else, this is why you lost the election.

00:22:51.920 You lost the election because we all knew Joe Biden wasn't running things.

00:22:57.020 We didn't know who the president is.

00:22:58.900 We'd like to return to the Constitution.

00:23:02.660 At least I would.

00:23:04.080 And I think Liz is with me on that.

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00:23:24.900 We've got to be on the same page because the battle begins on January 20th.

00:23:30.560 They have plans and they are going to try to take everything apart.

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00:24:36.220 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:24:38.560 And this is the last time I'll be able to wish you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

00:24:43.440 This is the last broadcast of the Glenn Beck Program until the New Year.

00:24:48.380 I'll be back, I think, January.

00:24:50.260 Oh, goodness.

00:24:52.020 I'll be back January 6th.

00:24:54.500 So, that should be a non-new thing.

00:24:57.200 Nothing like getting back to work and having a slow day.

00:25:01.400 So, we'll see you on January 6th.

00:25:04.820 I want to talk about a couple of things that have been in the news this week that we haven't had a chance to really focus on.

00:25:10.100 And the first one is Fonny Willis.

00:25:15.600 Fonny has been kicked off the case with Donald Trump for, what was it, conflicting interest?

00:25:25.040 No, that's not what they say.

00:25:26.580 What was it, Liz?

00:25:28.420 She was kicked off for, I don't know.

00:25:31.060 This is what Trump's attorney said.

00:25:33.480 Because it is a conflict of interest.

00:25:35.760 She was having an affair with the prosecutor that she appointed to go after Trump.

00:25:41.080 Just a smidge of a conflict of interest.

00:25:43.900 Kind of a conflict of interest.

00:25:45.600 Kind of, a little one.

00:25:46.580 You know, just a smidge of an ethical gray zone.

00:25:49.120 I mean, I barely even noticed.

00:25:51.160 This is what Trump's attorney, Steve Sadow, said.

00:25:53.520 But he said, as the court rightfully noted, only the remedy of disqualification will suffice to restore public confidence.

00:26:02.580 Yep.

00:26:03.080 That's correct.

00:26:03.960 Yeah, it's absolutely correct.

00:26:05.620 By the way, people of Georgia should fire her. 1.00

00:26:08.700 I mean, in my opinion, she absolutely perjured herself.

00:26:12.680 And is just not somebody that I would want and feel comfortable, even if I agreed with her.

00:26:19.740 I wouldn't feel comfortable that she would apply justice equally to every man, including me.

00:26:26.940 So, that looks, you don't think they're going to bring it up and assign somebody else to the case and keep doing this, do you?

00:26:33.820 That's over, right?

00:26:34.660 I don't think they can, because they lost public trust.

00:26:37.880 Not that that should be an indicator of whether justice is served or not.

00:26:42.440 That actually shows you that it was a kangaroo court, because they're just monitoring public opinion.

00:26:46.880 Do people think we're okay?

00:26:47.960 Can we push it a little further?

00:26:49.980 But I don't think that they can.

00:26:51.340 I mean, especially given the fact that other cases against Trump brought by the special counsel have been dismissed and dropped because he's going to be the sitting president.

00:27:01.040 I actually would like to take a moment and thank Fonnie Willis, because as corrupt as she was, she was the biggest gift that had been given to the Trump campaign. 0.99

00:27:09.720 All of these were.

00:27:10.620 Imagine if she had been like a buttoned up, smart, competent, ethical person.

00:27:15.680 It would have been, I mean, Trump didn't have to do anything.

00:27:17.820 He just had to sit back and let her do her thing. 0.90

00:27:21.680 And they all were like that.

00:27:23.360 Everything, you know, one thing I have really learned, I learned this during my alcoholic years.

00:27:30.660 I'm sorry, it is so noisy here.

00:27:32.660 I'm at AmFest.

00:27:33.660 The doors aren't even open yet.

00:27:35.100 And just crazy sound everywhere.

00:27:37.960 Anyway, when I was an alcoholic, the thing that I had to do was surrender.

00:27:45.740 I had to surrender my will and stop trying to force my will, thinking I know better than God.

00:27:54.100 Well, I'm still learning that over and over again.

00:27:58.120 For instance, in 2020, I was convinced we were doomed.

00:28:02.540 We're doomed.

00:28:03.660 You know, and we've got to do everything we can.

00:28:06.820 That part was true. 0.70

00:28:08.680 What the Democrats fail to learn is what I learned in 2020.

00:28:13.920 Sometimes failure isn't bad.

00:28:16.580 In fact, it's usually not bad if you learn the lesson.

00:28:21.080 And the lesson I learned in that failure was, oh my gosh, God is not neutral.

00:28:26.820 That happened for a reason.

00:28:29.460 And now he's coming back stronger, more informed, ready to fight another four years.

00:28:35.380 Where it just would have been more of the same for the last four years.

00:28:39.400 First, America changed and put us in this position to actually have transformative change coming our way right now.

00:28:47.020 Stop forcing your will.

00:28:49.880 When you just say, you know what?

00:28:51.780 I'm not smarter than God.

00:28:53.380 I'm not smarter than the American people.

00:28:56.320 I trust the American people.

00:28:58.540 It will work out in the end.

00:29:01.940 And they just won't learn that. 0.98

00:29:03.900 They tried everything they could, by hook or by crook, to convince the American people that he was a fascistic, racist monster who should be in jail. 0.93

00:29:15.440 And the more they pushed that lie, the more people on their side went, I don't. 1.00

00:29:21.340 This is ridiculous. 0.97

00:29:23.240 They were the biggest gift to the Republican Party. 0.96

00:29:25.960 The Democrats and the strategists.

00:29:27.880 Isn't that one of the things about Trump, though, is that he actually does surrender himself.

00:29:35.380 I mean, in the case of Fannie Willis, quite literally, that mugshot was probably his biggest in-kind campaign donation that we've ever seen.

00:29:42.240 But Trump does surrender himself and trust the American people whom he represents in a way that I've not seen any other politician do.

00:29:51.920 He listens and is humble enough to change his mind.

00:29:54.800 But Ronald Reagan was the closest to that.

00:29:58.980 But I think the, you know, Ronald Reagan said everybody has their time.

00:30:04.360 And he said, I haven't changed since the 1960s, but it wasn't my time.

00:30:08.500 And then all of a sudden, time catches up with you and you lock into a slot.

00:30:13.780 And how much time that lasts, you know, you don't know.

00:30:17.440 That's one of the problems with the media is they might lock in and they'll get their fame and fortune.

00:30:22.880 And then their time stops, but they force their will and they start compromising and selling themselves.

00:30:30.580 And it doesn't get any better.

00:30:32.400 Look at the mainstream media.

00:30:33.940 Their time is up, but they're doing everything they can. 1.00

00:30:38.540 And they've become prostitutes, complete and total whores because they won't accept it. 1.00

00:30:45.860 Ronald Reagan accepted it. 1.00

00:30:47.400 But it was his time.

00:30:49.460 I think the people kind of caught up to him.

00:30:51.200 Donald Trump trusts two things.

00:30:54.700 His gut, which I have to tell you is one of the best guts I've ever seen.

00:31:00.040 And the second is the American people.

00:31:03.420 He knows.

00:31:04.720 He just knows.

00:31:06.120 They get it.

00:31:07.280 And if they don't, they will.

00:31:09.100 Which is powerful.

00:31:10.880 Think about his most powerful moments from this year.

00:31:13.540 Think about when, I mean, think about when, who didn't get that thrill of excitement seeing Donald Trump working at McDonald's.

00:31:20.040 It didn't feel inauthentic the way that politicians kissing babies sometimes does.

00:31:24.920 It felt like him saying, no, I'm a billionaire.

00:31:27.640 I don't actually work at McDonald's.

00:31:29.360 I'm not pretending that I was raised in a middle class household like Kamala pretended.

00:31:33.400 But he's saying, I see you.

00:31:35.640 I feel what you're going through.

00:31:37.120 And I'm here to be your champion because I get it.

00:31:40.240 And you know why that was so authentic?

00:31:43.120 Two reasons.

00:31:44.700 He likes people.

00:31:46.120 Yeah.

00:31:46.440 Okay.

00:31:46.720 He likes the American people.

00:31:49.540 He likes, I think he probably likes, you know, the average person that works at McDonald's more than he likes some of the rich fat cats that hang out in Mar-a-Lago.

00:31:59.720 You know what I mean?

00:32:00.200 Honestly, I really think so.

00:32:01.340 He likes people.

00:32:03.300 That is very unusual for a politician.

00:32:06.700 He likes people.

00:32:08.560 Then he's also a McDonald's eater.

00:32:11.420 He loves McDonald's.

00:32:12.580 And he enjoyed his time, you know, figuring out the fry later.

00:32:17.000 Ah, I get to finally make the fries that I love so much, you know?

00:32:20.400 So it was all genuine, even though he was a billionaire working a hourly job.

00:32:27.720 Well, he's intellectually curious.

00:32:29.580 He was interested in the process that went into something that he liked.

00:32:32.800 Yes.

00:32:32.960 Which is probably why he was such a successful or is such a successful businessman and architect and builder because he cares about those details.

00:32:41.180 Did you see that video of him?

00:32:42.720 I think it was from last week where he was so involved in the design of his set that he had them put a table, put water on the table, put the doily under the water, then take it away.

00:32:51.860 And he genuinely cared about what the setup looked like.

00:32:55.140 I did not see that.

00:32:57.220 I watched it like three times.

00:32:59.220 He is such a freak about that.

00:33:01.080 I did not know that.

00:33:02.340 I know he was a freak on just about everything, but he's obviously, I know he's a television guy.

00:33:08.520 Yeah.

00:33:08.720 I mean, he gave a speech.

00:33:10.400 I was in the audience.

00:33:11.260 I don't even remember when this was.

00:33:12.680 He gave a speech and I was in the audience.

00:33:14.600 And so was Mark Burnett.

00:33:17.460 And it was like part of that speech, he was just talking to me and Mark about how television works.

00:33:25.260 And I was like, this is, you know, there are other people here because he kept looking at me and saying, right, Glenn?

00:33:31.020 I mean, that's the way, right, Mark?

00:33:32.460 That's the way.

00:33:33.480 And I realized this guy doesn't just go on a television show.

00:33:40.440 This is the difference between stars and genuine phenomenas.

00:33:51.140 Phenoms come from somebody who comes in and doesn't want to be a star, is excited by the process, has something to say, knows their own self, and then explores.

00:34:04.140 And the American people have always traditionally liked explorers, even if it's just somebody exploring this job and exploring this new thing that I've never done before, but I want to learn everything about it.

00:34:19.500 That's what he has.

00:34:21.880 And if you have that curiosity and the soul of an explorer in everything you do from building a building or working the friolator at McDonald's, you are going to be a phenom.

00:34:34.140 I'm convinced of it.

00:34:35.340 Yeah, plus I think when we see a politician who's also a celebrity, and this is certainly true for me, I always want to know what they're like as a quote unquote real person.

00:34:44.280 How do you interact with your wife?

00:34:45.740 What are you like with your children?

00:34:47.120 Are you a present part of your grandchildren's life?

00:34:49.560 How do you treat your employees?

00:34:50.980 And we hear all these gossipy stories out of Washington, D.C. about Kamala Harris's staff, this huge turnover, being annoyed because she's rude to them, always glued to her phone, never present, takes 50 people to get a hold of her. 0.94

00:35:02.340 And then you see the way that Donald Trump talked to the production assistants in that video.

00:35:07.740 He wasn't barking at them.

00:35:09.320 He wasn't dehumanizing them.

00:35:10.700 He was being respectful of their craft and taking part in it.

00:35:14.580 And I think that is such a public measure of someone's character, how they talk to people who are in much lower subordinate positions.

00:35:23.400 I told my daughter when she walked off stage this week, I said, go and thank all of the stagehands when they're not busy.

00:35:35.260 Thank them.

00:35:36.180 They just made you look good.

00:35:39.020 Thank them.

00:35:39.600 Care about them.

00:35:40.620 And to go back to Donald Trump, when I was at Mar-a-Lago first time doing an interview with him there, after it was over, he said, what are you doing for dinner?

00:35:53.000 And I thought he was talking to me.

00:35:55.060 And it was uncomfortable because everybody else was in the room that was with me.

00:35:58.780 And most of them were wearing like, you know, black pants and a black T-shirt.

00:36:02.160 They were dressed to be, you know, people on the set, not to be seen.

00:36:07.940 And I said, well, I think we're probably all going to go to McDonald's.

00:36:11.740 And he said, no, no, no, no, no.

00:36:13.520 And he looked at the room and said, you're all coming with me to have dinner.

00:36:17.680 You're having dinner at Mar-a-Lago.

00:36:19.140 The place was packed, absolutely packed.

00:36:22.400 And you don't go to Mar-a-Lago without a jacket and a tie, you know.

00:36:27.200 These guys were in jeans and T-shirts.

00:36:28.820 But he did, I thought when he said that, he was talking to me.

00:36:35.280 He was talking to everybody in the room.

00:36:38.840 They were just as important to him as I was.

00:36:41.420 And I thought, wow, that's a real man.

00:36:45.600 That's a really good guy.

00:36:48.580 So, all right, let me come back here in just a second.

00:36:51.240 More, we have, by the way, we're going to be talking to Chip Roy.

00:36:55.580 He just got out of a meeting with Vance.

00:36:59.700 I think this will be the only interview he's going to give.

00:37:02.220 And he's going to give us the inside scoop of what happened this morning.

00:37:06.580 I'm against what he did yesterday.

00:37:10.200 But I'm for it in principle.

00:37:12.400 I just think it's a matter of timing.

00:37:14.820 Give Donald Trump what Donald Trump is asking for right now.

00:37:19.600 Until he proves us wrong.

00:37:21.300 Until he proves us wrong.

00:37:22.680 I think he has earned that.

00:37:24.320 But we're going to talk to him.

00:37:25.720 Also, Charlie Kirk is going to be coming on in just a few minutes.

00:37:28.360 So, stand by.

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00:39:21.940 So, this weekend.

00:39:51.340 And for the last podcast of the season, I want you to hear, I picked this guest for a reason for this season.

00:40:00.200 It's episode 239.

00:40:02.620 He's a member of Gen Z, and his name is King Randall. 0.90

00:40:07.620 Now, this kid, he's now 25, but when he was 19 or 18, he hated white people. 0.98

00:40:15.040 Hated. 0.95

00:40:15.720 Believed absolutely everything the left had been shoveling.

00:40:19.200 And he has completely changed.

00:40:23.560 He started working with the kids in his neighborhood to teach them things that, you know, they were going into drugs and, you know, killing and everything else.

00:40:33.120 And they were just lost.

00:40:34.320 And so, he started taking some of the younger kids and saying, hey, you want to fix an engine, car engine with me?

00:40:39.480 And he started teaching them basic skills, how to fix your own plumbing, how to fix your toilet, how to fix your car, etc., etc.

00:40:46.300 He's now developed, like an after-school program from 3 until 9 p.m., and he is changing his community.

00:40:55.120 He has no goals above just changing my community, giving self-worth back to my community.

00:41:05.240 He's absolutely amazing.

00:41:07.400 I sat in this interview with him, and I was listening to him, and I was like, man, I've been a slug my whole life.

00:41:13.440 I'm still not to where he is in ways spiritually.

00:41:18.800 And he's 25 years old.

00:41:20.880 He is a dynamic leader whose voice really needs to be heard.

00:41:26.260 I mean, he went from, I hate white people, I love the Democrats, to, I really love white people.

00:41:31.280 And I'm a Republican, I think.

00:41:34.100 I'm voting for Donald Trump, because I like him and Elon Musk.

00:41:37.960 What's happening?

00:41:38.740 What's happening?

00:41:39.560 He's fantastic.

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00:44:02.060 Welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:44:08.000 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:44:12.200 Well, hello America.

00:44:13.320 Good news, it's Friday.

00:44:16.120 And we've got a full show for you today.

00:44:18.940 I am at AmFest, AmericaFest, in Phoenix, Arizona today.

00:44:24.000 Everybody who's anybody is here.

00:44:26.100 So why aren't you here?

00:44:27.140 I don't understand, because you're somebody.

00:44:29.500 But we have Chris Bedford coming on.

00:44:32.320 He is our Washington correspondent.

00:44:34.560 He has done a great story on what happened yesterday

00:44:38.760 with Chip Roy and the president and Doge.

00:44:42.940 He's really broken it out in a way that I think is understandable,

00:44:46.820 and I think he's absolutely correct on it as well.

00:44:50.020 So we're going to talk to Chris.

00:44:51.600 Then, I think this is the only interview he's going to give.

00:44:56.000 Chip Roy is going to be on with us.

00:44:57.760 And I disagree with Chip on...

00:44:59.600 I agree with him in principle.

00:45:02.420 I disagree with what he did yesterday for different reasons.

00:45:07.340 And we're going to go through all of that coming up here this hour.

00:45:10.800 And then Charlie Kirk is joining us as well.

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00:46:49.400 So I don't usually have a guest host with me.

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00:47:02.220 But this time I decided to ask Liz Wheeler in. 1.00

00:47:05.840 This, I think, the first time...

00:47:08.840 I don't even know how long it's been since I haven't had somebody that I really knew really well fill in.

00:47:16.540 Because usually I'll just do it solo if the two aren't.

00:47:19.160 But Liz, I asked her to join.

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00:47:51.540 You know what?

00:47:52.140 That I think is what you're supposed to do as a dad.

00:47:54.440 I mean, it comes as instincts.

00:47:57.480 It's that guy over there. 0.97

00:48:00.540 He is a predator. 0.99

00:48:03.920 I'm going to take him out. 1.00

00:48:04.840 Dad, he was a priest.

00:48:07.320 Look at him.

00:48:07.980 He was reading the Bible.

00:48:09.180 There was nothing wrong there.

00:48:10.260 No, all men are predators when it comes to you, dear.

00:48:14.480 All right.

00:48:15.200 Let me talk to you about what Chris Bedford wrote.

00:48:19.280 He is the Blaze News Senior Editor for Politics.

00:48:23.460 He's our Washington correspondent.

00:48:26.460 He lives not in the swamp, near the swamp.

00:48:31.120 He's always on the edges of the swamp,

00:48:33.260 peering into the abyss and reporting what's happening in the abyss.

00:48:36.840 And he wrote a story that I read early this morning, the doge that caught the car.

00:48:44.380 Christopher Bedford is with us now to go through it, because I think this is a great analysis on what happened yesterday.

00:48:52.700 So, Chris, let's start there.

00:48:54.360 What happened yesterday?

00:48:55.420 Oh, thanks for having me.

00:48:57.360 It's great to be here.

00:48:58.660 Yesterday, we started the season.

00:49:01.080 It was complicated.

00:49:02.400 The spending fights at the end of the year are always difficult.

00:49:05.200 You kind of have to break it down by what is best for the incoming administration.

00:49:10.900 What are their goals?

00:49:11.760 What are they working on?

00:49:13.060 And sometimes it's going to go against some of the maybe secondary objectives that you have.

00:49:18.400 So, the first thing it was, it's a vote of no confidence in the Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.

00:49:26.080 And it's also a shot across the bow for some of the fiscal conservatives who are the fiscal hawks, who I generally agree with.

00:49:32.000 But it was a shot across their bow.

00:49:34.280 And it's the best case scenario, I think, for President Donald Trump, elect Donald Trump and his incoming administration.

00:49:40.720 Now, when you say it was a shot across the bow, they want to cut the budget.

00:49:47.300 And I know Donald Trump doesn't worry about the budget because he believes he focuses on growth.

00:49:52.360 But even he knows that it's going to take unbelievable growth to just dig us out of this hole we're already in.

00:50:01.180 So, I think maybe for the first time I've seen a guy who does care about the deficit and the debt more than he ever has.

00:50:13.320 But he knows he has to not only cut the debt by cutting the spend of the government, mainly by cutting the size of the government and cleaning up all the corruption, but he also has to serve the people and get the money to the entrepreneurs and to the regular person.

00:50:31.060 So, they have money to be able to buy and that you don't want to print money like Biden did.

00:50:35.260 You've got to give it back to him in taxes.

00:50:36.940 So, we're in this transition period, are we not, where, you know, one of them has to happen first.

00:50:44.020 They both have to happen.

00:50:45.320 But you've got to get the taxes down first and then start cutting the government by cutting the regulation, etc., etc.

00:50:53.280 And I believe he'll do that.

00:50:56.920 Some of the Republicans think they're playing the old game.

00:50:59.860 And if we're playing the old game where they promise stuff and then never do it, we're in deep trouble.

00:51:04.380 But I don't think Donald Trump does that.

00:51:05.840 No, I don't think he does either.

00:51:08.520 But you have to look a little bit at what he ran on.

00:51:12.060 And deficit hawk was not his number one priority.

00:51:15.420 It was reinvigorating the American economy, reconfiguring our trade deals, being able to actually deport a lot of the violent criminals and illegal aliens who have invaded the country, particularly over the last four years, breaking America's borders.

00:51:28.540 And those things are all going to cost money at the outset, bringing back American manufacturing.

00:51:33.600 So it's kind of like how when Ronald Reagan was elected president, he ended up fighting with some great principled conservatives like Ron Paul back in the day, because his number one goal was defeating the Soviet Union, not always cutting budgets.

00:51:48.660 So sometimes Republicans in Congress would come up with deals that come back to the White House back in the 80s and say, look, they're going to cut two dollars in domestic spending for every dollar we cut military spending.

00:51:58.320 And the White House would reject that deal.

00:51:59.800 They just said, we need the number one objective here is why we were elected.

00:52:05.100 And this is what the way Trump is looking at this.

00:52:07.080 And he's looking out across 2025, which is going to have a lot of different minefields for him, a lot of different leverage points.

00:52:13.340 And principled conservatives like Chip Roy like to fight for those leverage points.

00:52:17.480 They can use them in negotiations to try and extract concessions from Democrats.

00:52:22.760 The problem for a lot of them is that they're not backed up by principled leaders who are very good at this.

00:52:29.540 So you have Donald Trump looking out and saying, I don't want to send Mike Johnson into the room to negotiate the debt limit six months in my administration when Democrats have now got their groove back.

00:52:40.020 And believe me, the Democratic base is not now, but six months into deportations and Donald Trump's new agenda, they will be screaming for blood.

00:52:49.540 And there's no way that they will not get concessions if they walk into those negotiations.

00:52:53.680 So Trump wants to clear the deck of that sort of thing.

00:52:55.620 So he was, but he was elected on, you're right, fixing the economy, curbing inflation and all of that.

00:53:03.040 By the way, I'm at America Fest, AmFest with Charlie Kirk and his event today.

00:53:08.240 That's what you're hearing in the background.

00:53:09.540 I'm in Phoenix.

00:53:10.820 But, you know, you said fixing the economy and deporting, you know, and stopping the illegal immigration. 1.00

00:53:17.220 But he was also, I think these are equal things, fix the economy, fix the immigration problem. 0.86

00:53:27.060 And the third one was cut the size of government, cut all of these, the deep state out.

00:53:35.180 So he is motivated to do all three.

00:53:37.620 It's not just the defeating of communism with Reagan.

00:53:43.880 These all work together hand in hand.

00:53:46.600 It's just which one are you going to do first?

00:53:49.460 Getting the money back to the American people, not through stimulus, but through tax cuts, is his first step.

00:53:56.940 He's got to do the other two that are going to cost money.

00:54:00.760 And until the economy really starts to take off and you're getting more taxes as the government,

00:54:07.680 because people are making more money, you're not going to be able to accomplish two and three.

00:54:14.340 So for this one exception, I think he should have been given the debt ceiling so we're not fighting that as well.

00:54:25.440 I agree.

00:54:26.640 Do you?

00:54:27.280 I do.

00:54:28.280 I agree with that completely.

00:54:30.100 He's got two big fights essentially already on the books coming up.

00:54:34.180 He's going to have to convince Republicans with a slim majority in the Senate.

00:54:37.280 That means Susan Collins, that means Lisa Murkowski, to appropriate $100 billion to help with his border enforcement 0.94

00:54:45.920 and to help actually fulfill his campaign promise on getting the gangs out of here, getting MS-13 out of your neighborhoods.

00:54:52.980 And then he's going to also try and go back.

00:54:55.000 Right now they have these as two different moves.

00:54:56.820 I think they're going to end up having to combine them to move to Senate to ask to make the Trump tax cuts permanent,

00:55:02.420 something that's going to affect everyone's pocketbook, affect their families' abilities to save, make those permanent.

00:55:09.320 And these are things that are also hard with Republicans in the House and in the Senate because these aren't corporate tax cuts.

00:55:14.960 These are family tax cuts.

00:55:16.720 You can pass any corporate tax cuts you want through Washington, D.C. with Republicans,

00:55:20.820 but it's a lot harder when it's actually something that hits you and me and your listeners and our families.

00:55:25.740 And those are two of the things he's got already difficult fights on.

00:55:29.240 He's got the nomination process.

00:55:30.920 He's got to get people like RFK and Pete Hexess through.

00:55:34.860 So then to add a June debt ceiling thing, even though I see where the fiscal conservatives are coming from,

00:55:40.320 it just sets him up to pick losses from the Democrats.

00:55:44.420 You know, Liz said earlier that Liz Wheeler is with me this weekend. 0.89

00:55:49.080 She said earlier that the – gosh, now I forgot.

00:55:56.000 I'm sorry, I just lost my – it is so hard to concentrate here.

00:55:58.900 Liz, when we were talking about this last hour, you made a point on the fiscal conservatives

00:56:08.360 and trying to move us in timing.

00:56:11.560 Can you make that?

00:56:12.740 Yeah, I think the word that best defines this fight when you're watching it is disruption, right?

00:56:18.980 And, Chris, you can tell me if – you can tell me if this is what tracks with what you're seeing in Washington, D.C.,

00:56:23.740 but it's not that Chip Roy is principally wrong.

00:56:27.200 He's principally correct.

00:56:28.840 It's that the process that we've seen in Washington, D.C. by – for decades now of Republicans claiming to be fiscal conservatives,

00:56:35.820 they haven't effectively gotten that done.

00:56:39.020 And so what Trump is doing now is he's hired a disruptor, Elon Musk, to come in with Doge and retool this entire process,

00:56:46.820 do it a different way.

00:56:48.460 And it seems like that just – there hasn't quite been the marriage of those principled fiscal conservatives

00:56:53.140 with this new disruptive process that I think we should give Trump credit for because it actually has already worked

00:57:01.080 because the first 1,500-page bill, all of the stuff that you had a problem with in that bill has – we killed it.

00:57:09.060 Yes.

00:57:09.940 Yeah.

00:57:10.240 So we had a win.

00:57:11.040 That's exactly correct.

00:57:12.840 Right.

00:57:13.140 But now –

00:57:13.940 They are.

00:57:16.840 They really are.

00:57:17.600 And the fiscal conservatives are right in principle.

00:57:20.780 How do we train or convince people, like a very good friend he's coming on, Chip Roy,

00:57:28.180 that, Chip, this isn't the same game?

00:57:32.240 Because you have Elon Musk and Doge and the entire country focused and excited about that,

00:57:40.320 you've got to give this guy breathing room and credit because he's got to spend money as he's cutting money.

00:57:49.400 But he can't have – he can't keep having battles.

00:57:52.280 He's got to get the things that we all agree on, get them done right now.

00:57:58.080 And if it means you're going to have to extend some things you don't like,

00:58:02.520 but you know they're going to cut them later, go with it.

00:58:06.620 Get it done now.

00:58:07.560 How do we convince them?

00:58:08.740 You know, that's part of the art of the compromise and the art of the possible that is politics in general.

00:58:14.600 And I've been in the swamp now.

00:58:16.340 I moved here six months before George W. Bush's second inauguration.

00:58:20.340 So it's been 20 years.

00:58:21.800 And I don't think that I've seen anything like we saw this past week where the House of Representatives

00:58:27.660 and the Senate come through, they've got their big pork Christmas gifts,

00:58:31.480 they've got their everything ready, and then suddenly someone says no.

00:58:35.100 And those people were Chip Roy, those people were Elon Musk, and then Donald Trump and J.D. Vance over the top,

00:58:41.320 who came in and blew it up in the Senate and the House's faces.

00:58:44.980 And they were shocked to have someone say, this isn't going to go, this isn't going to pass.

00:58:49.720 And that was a huge victory for people like Chip to get that out there.

00:58:53.940 But at that point, you have to look at the objectives that you've reached and order them properly.

00:59:00.400 So what's the number one objective for the next year of this administration?

00:59:04.800 Would Trump have been a success as president if he cut 2% off the deficit?

00:59:09.860 Or would he be a success as president if he was able to fulfill his campaign promises and bring manufacturing back,

00:59:16.820 get these gangs out of here, fix the border?

00:59:19.160 What's the real long-term difference?

00:59:21.720 So it's important to be that guy on the ramparts at some point at dawn, fighting at the end of the day.

00:59:27.760 But then you have to also understand when to take a win and when to say this is a fight that's not worth going to loggerheads with the administration over.

00:59:37.460 And that's where he's got to get to.

00:59:39.720 Yeah.

00:59:40.320 Okay, Chip Roy's coming up in just a second.

00:59:42.400 Chris, thank you so much.

00:59:43.660 By the way, Chris is, I mean, he nails it when it comes to Washington.

00:59:47.800 He tells the truth, and I think his analysis is right.

00:59:52.160 And you can get his newsletter in your mailbox.

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01:00:13.980 I appreciate it.

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01:02:01.820 You know, Liz, I think where we went wrong this week is we had a conversation off the air that we should have had on the air,

01:02:28.260 and we just didn't have time to squeeze it in, or so we thought.

01:02:31.280 But I think it's the most important conversation that we had was off the air.

01:02:34.760 And that was after Chip Roy hung up with us last time.

01:02:38.320 We looked at each other and said, I disagree with the debt thing. 0.80

01:02:44.240 He was focused on the debt, and you and I were focused on getting all this other crap out of there.

01:02:51.840 And we would have taken the bill with the debt limit if it didn't have everything. 0.50

01:02:58.700 And we didn't express that to Chip.

01:03:01.220 And I'm not sure that—I think that's the way America felt when Chip said that.

01:03:08.980 I think.

01:03:09.380 I don't know.

01:03:10.260 But I think a lot of people felt, wait a minute, I agree with the debt.

01:03:13.580 It's got to go away.

01:03:14.420 But that shouldn't be the priority.

01:03:16.320 If you have one or the other, get rid of all the other stuff, which they did.

01:03:20.980 That's what they presented yesterday.

01:03:22.920 Yeah, it's funny, actually.

01:03:24.680 Hindsight is 20-20.

01:03:25.700 Looking back at that conversation, I was listening to Chip Roy, and he's one of my favorite members of the House.

01:03:29.760 I love the guy.

01:03:30.580 I think he's truly principled.

01:03:31.660 He's great.

01:03:33.120 But when he was talking, I was like, okay, Chip, wrap up the talk about the debt. 0.89

01:03:36.580 Talk to me about the crap that's in the bill and how we're going to get rid of this and how it's a victory. 0.68

01:03:39.740 And I actually, looking back, it was a mistake on my part not to see what he was doing by talking about that. 0.98

01:03:48.700 Because we should have seen this coming, actually.

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01:03:53.600 Because he's a man of his word.

01:03:56.560 I mean, when he says he's going to do something, he did something, and he always does.

01:04:01.380 And this time, I think it was misplaced timing.

01:04:05.120 Yeah, we had the same comments.

01:04:06.620 How about misplaced distrust?

01:04:11.760 He's distrusting the system, and he's expecting it to be the same as it's always been.

01:04:18.860 And I think the American people want to say, yeah, Mike Johnson will be, but not Donald Trump.

01:04:27.600 Yeah, or I think when it comes to disruption, it's easy to think, and I've thought like this and then corrected my own mindset before.

01:04:35.780 It's easy to think that disruption is going to be restoring a process that's broken to what we originally intended the process to be.

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01:04:50.720 Yes, yes.

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01:06:30.000 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:06:31.860 I think we have a great opportunity today to show you how to have a tough conversation with friends, friends, where you deeply disagree on something, but you know that their intent is good.

01:06:50.700 They know my intent is good, or our intent is good, and we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path, and we're going to walk away friends.

01:07:02.680 Chip Roy is joining us today.

01:07:06.340 And, Chip, I love you, and I always will, and I agree with your – we've got to cut spending.

01:07:13.520 We have to, but Liz Wheeler is with me, and we've been talking about it all morning.

01:07:19.680 It's the system of Doge and Trump, the call out to the world and saying, you've got to surround the Capitol, you know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

01:07:32.420 Surround and tell them, come out with your hands up.

01:07:34.900 And that happened, and we scored a massive win in an entirely new way.

01:07:40.720 And then you stood on principle, one we both agree with, and it failed.

01:07:48.760 And so here's what – Liz and I were talking about it – here's what we want to say to you, and then get your response.

01:07:55.460 Hi, Congressman.

01:07:56.420 Hi, Congressman Roy.

01:07:57.200 This is the way that I see it, and I want your take on this.

01:07:59.860 I love you.

01:08:00.420 I think you're one of the best members of Congress.

01:08:02.080 I disagree with you on the process of what's happening, and I think that is the difference, the process.

01:08:09.000 We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling us they're fiscal conservatives.

01:08:16.200 They want to decrease the debt ceiling.

01:08:18.640 It hasn't happened.

01:08:20.360 It hasn't been done.

01:08:21.980 And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk and uses this doge process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1,500-page bill and take those things to the people.

01:08:35.440 We took them to members of Congress.

01:08:37.580 Congress said, okay, we'll listen to you.

01:08:39.660 So that new process was very effective.

01:08:42.000 And my question to you is, once that process was proved to be effective, which I think is exciting and wonderful, how do we bridge this divide with you to say, okay, let's put some faith in this new process and trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the doge process to eventually address the debt ceiling but get this done right now?

01:09:02.760 And not blind trust.

01:09:04.940 Chip.

01:09:07.140 So, appreciate you guys.

01:09:08.700 Appreciate being on the show.

01:09:10.300 Number one, in no particular order, I'm going to go through a couple of things.

01:09:13.740 Number one, it is important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and to the people I represent.

01:09:20.600 I told them when I came to Washington, I would not, I would not lift a credit card in the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraint necessary to offset it.

01:09:30.440 Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions.

01:09:35.760 What I know that neither of you respectfully know and that none of your listeners respectfully know are the people in the room that I was in with yesterday and the day before who are recalcitrant and do not want to do the spending cuts that we seek to do, that I believe the president and the doge guys and Russ Vogt and everybody want to do. 0.96

01:09:58.900 My job is to force that through the meat grinder to demand that we do our damn job. 0.95

01:10:06.760 Okay, that's number two. 0.99

01:10:08.180 Okay, wait, wait.

01:10:08.980 Hold on, Glenn.

01:10:09.440 Hold on, Glenn.

01:10:10.240 Number three.

01:10:10.620 You're all right.

01:10:11.020 You're all right.

01:10:11.580 Go ahead.

01:10:12.060 Number three.

01:10:13.540 When we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages.

01:10:18.860 Three quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it have been out there basically spreading false facts that we supported that bill and didn't like the better bill.

01:10:29.920 That's not true.

01:10:31.000 But let's be clear.

01:10:31.900 The 1,400 pages that were cut out, it's not a panacea.

01:10:35.220 There was some good stuff in there.

01:10:36.580 There was some bad stuff in there.

01:10:38.160 There was a lot of misinformation.

01:10:39.760 There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise.

01:10:42.020 There was a $3,000 pay raise.

01:10:43.640 I didn't support any pay raise.

01:10:45.820 I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

01:10:47.520 But there's a lot of misinformation.

01:10:49.340 And here's the thing.

01:10:50.380 The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill.

01:10:55.500 I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

01:10:59.740 And I love you.

01:11:00.660 The second bill for 116 pages turned off the pay-go requirements that we flashed $1.7 trillion automatically and added a $5 trillion debt ceiling increase.

01:11:15.080 My view was I could not support that without a clear understanding of what cuts we will get in mandatory spending next year and undoing of the Inflation Reduction Act, the undoing of the student loans, the undoing of the thrifty crap with the food stamps, and everything else.

01:11:33.300 I yield back.

01:11:34.740 Okay.

01:11:35.600 I yield back.

01:11:37.100 Chip, you're not in a hostile room.

01:11:39.660 We love you.

01:11:40.900 And we agree with your end goals.

01:11:43.220 It's our end goal, too.

01:11:44.300 We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you.

01:11:48.360 So we have more wiggle room here.

01:11:51.780 But you say, I think our big difference is you say, I know the guys in the room.

01:11:57.000 You're right.

01:11:58.020 You do.

01:11:58.760 And we seeded that earlier today on the show.

01:12:01.960 You are, one of us is wrong on trust.

01:12:06.280 I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

01:12:09.140 But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust to get a grace period here for the first, maybe the first year or at least six months to turn the economy around and also reduce the size of the government and totally flip this thing.

01:12:32.060 And I know as somebody who has run a company, mainly into the ground, but run a company and have to switch it in the middle and totally reshuffle.

01:12:44.920 That actually costs money while you're doing it to bridge the gap because you've got to fill up holes while you're filling the gap.

01:12:53.600 You don't trust the people in the room.

01:12:55.640 Neither do we.

01:12:56.320 But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with with Doge and Donald Trump.

01:13:04.420 Where do we disagree?

01:13:05.940 Where can you give them?

01:13:08.360 We don't disagree.

01:13:09.860 And yesterday morning I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow up room with people who are will call it less conservative, more Republican.

01:13:22.540 Yes.

01:13:22.860 And so we were making this argument and then somewhat infamously, something leaked out of the room somewhere down to Mar-a-Lago that somehow I was going that I was being resistant because I was negotiating to try to get agreement to achieve the objective.

01:13:38.580 You just said I was working to try to get.

01:13:41.660 OK, but in fact, yesterday morning I made the argument to a group of conservatives.

01:13:45.620 We need to give the president runway. 0.56

01:13:47.720 We need to give him his first hundred days.

01:13:49.540 We need to appreciate and respect J.D. and Vivek and Elon and all the people, Russ Cote and everybody involved for the president to achieve the objective.

01:13:58.460 But to get there, we have to make sure that the guys in the room that are an obstacle to that don't have the ability to block it because information flow matters.

01:14:09.520 And when those guys tell the president they can't achieve X, then the president and his team may not achieve X.

01:14:14.520 Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

01:14:21.540 And because otherwise you're asking us to accept a five trillion dollar limit in our credit card increase in exchange for nothing, literally in exchange for nothing but hope.

01:14:33.720 So our job was to force that change.

01:14:37.540 Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago and the president reacted.

01:14:46.200 So now I have to now manage that.

01:14:49.160 So there's the issue in trying to force change in town.

01:14:52.440 Okay, so hang on.

01:14:54.640 We got to leave this by because I'm going to run up against the clock.

01:14:57.800 I could talk to you all day about this.

01:14:59.740 You were in a meeting this morning with J.D. Vance.

01:15:03.420 Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

01:15:06.240 That meeting happened because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done.

01:15:11.740 Last night talking to J.D., we worked to get this meeting done.

01:15:14.840 We had some good progress this morning.

01:15:16.440 But there still remain people concerned about spending that we're trying to work out what agreement we can reach on what spending cuts we will actually get next year in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

01:15:29.100 So it remains fluid.

01:15:30.620 Progress was made, but we've got to keep working on it.

01:15:33.500 And I left that meeting to come talk to you.

01:15:35.200 So I'll get an update in a minute.

01:15:36.780 Okay.

01:15:37.740 Thank you for that, by the way.

01:15:39.800 I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

01:15:43.960 Is that the one you're talking about, or is this another bill that could be another nightmare? 0.98

01:15:49.360 Despite other people leaking crap, I refuse.

01:15:52.340 So I can't say because it's not been decided by the speaker, and it's just not right to talk about things we're talking about in private meetings. 0.85

01:15:58.080 I'm just like the fact that people do it to me all the time.

01:16:00.440 It's this speaker.

01:16:02.120 I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

01:16:06.340 We need to figure out what bill we're going to get forward, and I can't talk about the private meetings.

01:16:11.060 But look, guys, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised the people that I represent.

01:16:15.300 I'm going to fight to cut spending.

01:16:16.820 I'm going to represent Article 1.

01:16:18.380 I'm going to support the president's agenda.

01:16:20.260 But we've got to do that together.

01:16:24.220 Okay, Chip, thank you.

01:16:26.740 I think we can – I think we agree, but I'd like to see what that means to you, because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

01:16:37.020 But I love you, and I still want you to replace Cornyn.

01:16:41.340 The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

01:16:48.700 And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

01:16:50.980 But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Vivek and Trump are serious about gutting this system?

01:16:58.980 I believe that is their objective.

01:17:02.140 I believe there are obstacles to that objective, and I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural in the government and human.

01:17:10.320 And we've got to figure that out, and that's my job.

01:17:13.460 Okay, good.

01:17:14.640 Chip, thank you very much.

01:17:16.980 Thank you.

01:17:17.160 Let me – can we just talk before we go into – now, let me go into a break.

01:17:20.320 Let me get the business done, and then I'm going to come back.

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01:19:03.600 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:19:27.240 Excuse all the noise behind me, but I'm at AmericaFest, AmFest, and with Turning Point,

01:19:43.960 and it is very loud, huge crowd, about 20,000 people here today.

01:19:50.420 I'm speaking tomorrow, I'm doing the keynote tomorrow, and then Sunday, Donald Trump will

01:19:55.180 be here to do the keynote on Sunday.

01:19:57.960 We just got off the phone with Chip Roy, and you can tell he's under the gun and under

01:20:05.540 the spotlight, and he is a tough Texan.

01:20:09.620 We both disagree with what Chip is doing, but we agree with his intent.

01:20:18.180 But I want to ask you, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I got the impression twice

01:20:28.140 in that interview, he is actually trying to send up a flare to Donald Trump and his people

01:20:36.040 to say, no, you don't understand.

01:20:40.200 You don't know who's in your side.

01:20:45.340 There are people that they're saying they're with you, but they're not.

01:20:50.640 They're just masters at the game and haven't been unmasked yet.

01:20:55.820 And I'm trying to say, Flair, stop trusting these people.

01:21:01.640 Am I reading too much into what he said, Liz?

01:21:03.980 Um, no, I think when what you say brings an image of Speaker Mike Johnson into my mind.

01:21:10.620 It does, but it can't be just him.

01:21:12.540 No, he probably doesn't have the gumption to do that all on his own.

01:21:16.100 There's other swamp creatures in Congress.

01:21:18.560 I mean, that was an exciting interview because it shows us that essentially what we've been

01:21:25.540 saying is accurate, that there are swamp creatures within the Republican Party who still

01:21:30.840 need to be routed just because Donald Trump won great victory, exciting.

01:21:36.320 Now the work begins.

01:21:37.560 I think that's what Chip Roy is doing, but it's a separate thing from the debt ceiling.

01:21:42.360 This has been my biggest worry, um, that, you know, the swamp creatures and diehard, even

01:21:51.320 progressives will claim to have seen the light and, and tag themselves, uh, as big Trump supporters

01:22:00.240 all of a sudden.

01:22:01.000 And, uh, they'll work because they're weasels and snakes. 0.96

01:22:05.320 They're very good at this.

01:22:06.920 They've done it their whole career and they're going to work their way into and be actually 0.57

01:22:12.420 sabotaging the administration by killing the strong people who are actually for Donald Trump,

01:22:20.520 but are just more outspoken like, like Chip is on.

01:22:24.800 We got to hold the line on spending.

01:22:27.140 They're going to say to him, oh, we're with you on that.

01:22:30.240 Absolutely.

01:22:30.980 But this is unreasonable.

01:22:32.720 Chip is trying to destroy you and, and thwart you.

01:22:36.300 And they're, they're all those freedom caucus people.

01:22:39.080 They're all unreasonable, Mr. President.

01:22:41.380 I'm, but I got your back here in Congress.

01:22:43.720 I think that's what Chip is trying to stop.

01:22:45.880 Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

01:22:47.420 And actually if Speaker Johnson is engaging in this behavior, it's because he learned about

01:22:51.300 it from his predecessor.

01:22:52.200 This was the craft of Kevin McCarthy who was completely against Trump, but ingratiated himself

01:22:58.720 into pretending to be in the Trump inner circle, but actually behind the scenes, he was constantly

01:23:04.820 sabotaging Speaker Johnson is carrying that mantle.

01:23:08.680 And that, that worked the last time with Donald Trump, he put up with people like McConnell.

01:23:16.280 I mean, yesterday we talked about this on the air, putting Elon Musk in as the Speaker

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01:23:30.340 sometimes you have to drive the car before you know how it really runs.

01:23:34.460 And then putting Vance in as the president of the Senate full time, we wouldn't have these

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01:25:26.840 Welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

01:25:32.060 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:25:36.160 Hello America and welcome to Friday.

01:25:39.440 We've got a lot to talk about.

01:25:41.540 We're at America Fest in Phoenix, Arizona today.

01:25:44.580 We just talked to Chip Roy.

01:25:46.280 We've been talking about what happened, the meltdown that happened in Congress yesterday.

01:25:49.940 It kind of makes me happy in a way because I think we're going to solve a few problems

01:25:55.820 and hopefully be able to clear some runway for the new Trump administration.

01:26:03.220 We'll have more on that with Charlie Kirk.

01:26:05.560 He's coming up in about 30 minutes.

01:26:07.620 But I want to start with cake.

01:26:10.560 A smaller piece of cake is oppressive.

01:26:15.260 Yes.

01:26:16.980 Yes, my friend, it is.

01:26:18.940 And we'll talk about that in 60 seconds.

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01:27:56.820 All right, welcome to Liz Wheeler, who has been filling in for Stu. 1.00

01:28:05.760 And really, Liz, I mean, do you see a reason for Stu to come back?

01:28:09.560 Because, I mean, I think I can pleasantly forget him by January 6th when we return.

01:28:15.320 So you've done a great job.

01:28:17.100 Thank you, thank you.

01:28:17.840 I was in his dressing room this morning and I asked the mirror on the wall, mirror, mirror on the wall.

01:28:21.600 But it started mumbling about inner beauty, so Stu has it trained.

01:28:26.820 All right, let me talk about a couple of things.

01:28:31.480 First, this is one of the greatest things the progressives have ever done.

01:28:37.360 In San Francisco, they appointed, and I'm just going to call a spade a spade. 0.94

01:28:44.520 They appointed a fat chick to be the new San Francisco weight czar. 1.00

01:28:52.260 And I love that, quite honestly. 0.94

01:28:56.320 You know, somebody who says, it is oppressive to ask for a smaller piece of cake.

01:29:01.380 I agree.

01:29:02.840 Bring me the whole box of ho-ho, sweetheart. 0.97

01:29:05.380 But if you're actually caring about people's wealth, or I mean health, it is exactly like a progressive, to a point, a fat chick who just says, stop making jokes and calling me a fat chick. 0.99

01:29:20.240 Dude, you're a fat chick, okay? 1.00

01:29:23.040 I don't know what your pronouns are. 1.00

01:29:24.580 I don't care, but you're fat no matter what pronoun you put after fat. 0.99

01:29:30.920 I like the word chick. 1.00

01:29:32.580 You're a fat chick. 1.00

01:29:34.340 That's it. 1.00

01:29:35.300 Here's San Francisco's new fat chick weight czar on Eating Cake. 1.00

01:29:39.940 If you're like many women, you've been to a birthday party or a small office gathering, an event that's meant to bring people together.

01:29:50.020 There's swinging tunes, some adult beverages, and good convo.

01:29:55.100 And then it comes time to cut the cake, and someone decides to ruin everything.

01:30:01.800 Oh my god, that slice is huge.

01:30:05.500 That slice is bigger than Beyonce's paycheck.

01:30:08.420 Can you cut me half of half of that?

01:30:11.060 A cake-related fatphobic incident, or CRFI, is that moment when it's time to eat delicious cake, and it's interrupted by a moralizing impulse.

01:30:24.300 Inevitably, there's always someone at the party who has to declare publicly that their slice is too large.

01:30:31.300 And that the person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably a woman, must do some disproportionate amount of labor in order to accommodate their need to feel serious. 0.99

01:30:41.940 Disproportionate amount of labor?

01:30:44.000 What is...

01:30:45.200 Oh my god.

01:30:46.380 Oh my god. 0.99

01:30:47.860 Look, you want to be fat, be fat. 0.78

01:30:49.900 I've been fat. 0.71

01:30:51.000 I'm trying to lose weight.

01:30:52.900 You know, I don't...

01:30:54.900 I'm not trying to get non-fat so I'm healthier.

01:30:59.660 Because I'm not exercising.

01:31:01.960 I'm trying to not be fat so I don't wake up every morning and look at the mirror and go, good god, and you put that face and body on television every day.

01:31:10.180 It's abusive to the American people.

01:31:13.640 You want to be fat? 0.94

01:31:14.780 Be fat. 0.71

01:31:15.620 But don't try to convince me that you're also...

01:31:19.340 This is a healthy way to look at it.

01:31:21.240 This is a healthy...

01:31:22.120 You know, I just want to just say, as the new weight and health czar, that it doesn't matter how fat you are.

01:31:29.740 You have been sitting in your couch so long that the couch has actually started to grow in with your skin. 0.90

01:31:37.160 It's still okay.

01:31:38.320 That's what we have firefighters for. 0.98

01:31:40.780 They can come in with a firefighting crane and take you out through the front window.

01:31:45.400 No. 0.99

01:31:46.080 You're fat. 0.98

01:31:47.060 It's dangerous for you. 0.99

01:31:48.540 And if you also believe in socialized medicine, you're going to suck up all the resources for people who have tried to take care of their body and get sick. 0.97

01:32:00.240 They're not going to be given resources because you, who ate cake the whole time, and I say this as an absolute cake lover, I am a pig. 0.86

01:32:10.100 I grew up in a bakery.

01:32:11.500 What do you expect?

01:32:12.400 Okay?

01:32:12.860 Donuts, cake, cupcakes.

01:32:14.340 I love them all and could eat them nonstop.

01:32:17.980 So I say this with experience of loving cake.

01:32:21.620 It makes you fat, and that's not healthy.

01:32:26.820 Take the advice.

01:32:28.120 Leave the advice.

01:32:28.920 Doesn't matter. 0.97

01:32:29.660 But don't try to lecture me with a fat chick or a fat dude that this is somehow or another healthy, and everyone else is oppressing you. 0.98

01:32:42.400 I can't take it. 0.98

01:32:43.760 It's worse than that, Glenn.

01:32:45.920 First of all, there aren't, to my knowledge, these body positivity.

01:32:50.960 I've never seen a guy, a dude, do this. 0.96

01:32:53.200 It's only the fat girls that do this. 1.00

01:32:55.780 She's not just lecturing you. 0.97

01:32:57.920 She's using your own whiteboard to lecture you about being oppressive. 1.00

01:33:01.600 Okay.

01:33:02.240 All right.

01:33:03.080 That's not right.

01:33:05.760 That's not right.

01:33:08.060 I can't.

01:33:08.900 I mean, honestly.

01:33:10.340 Yeah, there it is.

01:33:10.820 Can't we just say it's, can't we just say, look, you're fat, and that's okay, and you may have had a hard time losing weight.

01:33:19.040 I know I couldn't lose weight, and you know why?

01:33:21.740 Because I wouldn't exercise, and if I did exercise, I would have eaten cheeseburgers.

01:33:29.120 I know to be thin, Ozempic is helpful.

01:33:32.640 To be healthy, Ozempic is not helpful, unless I include working out, which I'm not doing.

01:33:40.920 I get it.

01:33:41.960 We need to recognize that, and then just be cool with your size.

01:33:46.700 Okay?

01:33:47.700 I hate it. 0.95

01:33:48.440 I mean, I shop with my daughters, and it's honestly, it's like designers, especially of women's clothing, but I think all designers, they hate women.

01:34:00.480 They hate women, because anything that they make that's nice, once you get over a certain size, no, it's to the back of Walmart for you. 1.00

01:34:09.780 You can't get anything nice in bigger sizes.

01:34:13.560 Why is that?

01:34:15.160 Why is that?

01:34:16.920 Because designers don't want to see, this is true, designers don't want their designs on people who are fat.

01:34:25.220 That's the truth.

01:34:26.860 So you want the oppression?

01:34:29.180 There it is. 0.98

01:34:30.480 It comes from, quite honestly, most likely, the gay designers of women's clothing. 0.85

01:34:37.200 There it is. 0.66

01:34:37.940 Not the baker.

01:34:39.060 Not the baker.

01:34:40.320 I love her.

01:34:41.640 I think, I love videos like this.

01:34:43.460 When I first saw it, I thought it was a parody.

01:34:45.560 I thought, this cannot be real.

01:34:47.680 It's, it's her, it's actually, you know what it is, Glenn?

01:34:51.000 This is, critical race theory was an assault on objective truth, right?

01:34:55.200 Trying to tell us that your color of your skin defines who you are.

01:34:58.820 And the same with transgenderism. 0.96

01:35:00.600 It's an assault on objective truth that men can't be women, women can't be men. 0.70

01:35:03.740 This is the third iteration of it.

01:35:05.100 They are trying to assault objective truth by telling you if you look, if you believe your lying eyes and you look at this woman and you say she's morbidly obese and that's unhealthy, that that somehow makes you an oppressor.

01:35:15.400 It's the same.

01:35:16.000 It's just the third step of it.

01:35:16.960 And it's like, my grandma was, she was a grandma, okay?

01:35:21.200 When grandmas, you know, didn't have, you know, dyed hair, black. 1.00

01:35:25.400 If there was any dye in my grandma's hair, it would have been purple, okay?

01:35:29.000 She wasn't trying to look like she was 20.

01:35:31.740 It was when grandmas were grandmas and she looked like Mrs. Santa Claus. 0.99

01:35:35.580 And my grandfather looked literally, I thought for a while, he was Santa Claus.

01:35:40.540 He looked just like Santa Claus.

01:35:42.360 And I love my grandma.

01:35:44.200 I just love her.

01:35:45.320 She wasn't healthy.

01:35:46.560 I didn't care how she looked. 0.94

01:35:48.460 I really, you know, what is the problem?

01:35:52.260 The only reason why you should be talking about that stuff is health.

01:35:55.940 Grandma, I know you grew up in the Depression, but we don't have to use lard now to make everything.

01:36:06.340 And she would just say, no, it tastes much better.

01:36:09.000 Okay.

01:36:09.740 If that's the road we're going down, I'm with you.

01:36:12.920 Let me give you something else I found.

01:36:14.720 This is an old interview from 1995 with all of the things that are happening in the sky with the drones.

01:36:21.380 And by the way, why is it Long Island now?

01:36:24.420 We have nothing to be concerned with.

01:36:27.020 Why is it okay that Long Island now can shoot any drone out of the sky?

01:36:35.320 Hmm.

01:36:36.920 Why?

01:36:38.040 Why?

01:36:38.620 Why isn't Department of Homeland Security saying, no, you don't, you can't, you can't because there's nothing to worry about.

01:36:45.060 Why would you?

01:36:46.560 There's something wrong with the drone thing.

01:36:48.800 I don't know what it is, but there's something wrong with the drone thing.

01:36:51.600 Listen to this from 1995.

01:36:56.840 This was a guy who had worked at Area 51.

01:37:01.620 1995.

01:37:02.880 Listen to what he said is coming in the year 2025.

01:37:08.200 Listen.

01:37:08.400 I have had the opportunity over the years to interview, again, people who have worked at the test site at Groom Lake.

01:37:14.400 One gentleman spent 12 of his 30 years in black programs at Groom Lake.

01:37:21.620 When I asked him, I said, first of all, I said, do you believe in UFOs?

01:37:27.120 And he looked at me with a straight face in one-on-one and he said, absolutely, positively, they do exist.

01:37:33.480 I said, can you expand upon that?

01:37:34.640 And he said, no, I can't.

01:37:35.460 About a year later, we were talking about, again, activities at Groom Lake.

01:37:41.980 And I asked him, I said, you know, can you really tell me what's happening out there?

01:37:47.360 And he said, well, there's a lot of things that are going on there that I won't be able to tell you until the year 2025.

01:37:53.240 But we have things in the Nevada desert that would make George Lucas envious.

01:38:03.080 And 2025, he goes on to say that it will be revealed in 2025.

01:38:07.680 But you'll notice it's at Groom Lake of Area 51.

01:38:10.680 It's at a lake.

01:38:12.180 Where are they saying some of these drones, what they can do?

01:38:14.680 They can fly in the air and they can go underwater as well.

01:38:20.200 What are these?

01:38:21.340 I think this is another piece of evidence that they're probably from us or somebody else has been doing the same kind of testing we are on something new.

01:38:32.480 We're on the edge of total revolution or revolutionary thinking when it comes to the war machine, I think.

01:38:40.640 Any thoughts on that, Liz?

01:38:42.360 Do you believe in UFOs in the sense that you think that they're aliens, like extraterrestrials?

01:38:48.540 Or do you think it's mostly when there's these UFO sightings and these pilots see these abnormalities, these vehicles in the air that are defying gravity and physics?

01:38:58.320 Do you think that's our military?

01:39:00.180 Demons?

01:39:00.740 What do you think of that stuff?

01:39:01.840 I think it's first, most likely our military.

01:39:06.120 That's the first box I would check.

01:39:08.120 That's us.

01:39:09.440 Second box I would check would be...

01:39:11.540 Because I don't believe that we're alone in the universe.

01:39:15.360 And with us coming now with quantum computing, you can have the atoms open up in parallel spaces.

01:39:24.100 And it is the beginning of transport.

01:39:27.620 You can open up something in Los Angeles and you can watch the nuclei and atom, the same one.

01:39:36.480 And I don't even know how it works.

01:39:37.700 In England, they can open them up at the same time and they can affect one another.

01:39:42.840 So it's almost like the Star Trek transporter in a way.

01:39:47.680 In immediate time.

01:39:49.260 So I think we're just scratching the surface of time and travel and distances and everything else.

01:39:57.800 So I think it's a waste of space if the entire universe and we're alone in it.

01:40:04.380 But that's a possibility.

01:40:05.660 But it's also a possibility we're not alone.

01:40:07.620 I don't think that we're living with a bunch of bugs that have suddenly become intelligent anywhere.

01:40:13.040 Because I believe in intelligent design.

01:40:14.640 And why would he design us like this and the others one are giant octopus lizard people.

01:40:20.820 It doesn't make sense to me.

01:40:22.560 But I'm open to being visited.

01:40:25.280 I think one of the oft-overlooked theories about this stuff is that they're demons.

01:40:30.640 Like, I believe in spiritual warfare.

01:40:32.840 I think that oftentimes, even in politics, things are explained by being in a battle of good, capital G versus evil, capital E.

01:40:39.640 And I feel like people overlook the idea that these are demonic forces sometimes.

01:40:45.240 I'm not saying the drones are.

01:40:46.500 I don't know what these drones are.

01:40:47.980 I know our government's lying to us about what they know about them.

01:40:51.440 But I feel like people are uncomfortable sometimes with the idea that this might just be demons.

01:40:58.040 So I believe that there are evil spirits that can possess bodies and everything else.

01:41:04.600 I don't think Satan needs a drone to get around in.

01:41:08.700 You know what I mean?

01:41:11.400 No, but he could use it.

01:41:14.140 Yeah, he could use the people that have made that or the things that have made that and use it for evil purposes.

01:41:20.500 Right.

01:41:21.080 But he's always using people, whether they're lizard people or not. 0.99

01:41:26.900 You know, he would always be using people to do and get his means done.

01:41:32.020 He's not driving them.

01:41:34.580 Not necessarily, because Satan, as we understand, is pure spirit, but he could use demonic forces.

01:41:42.140 I mean, people have seen demons, so you can see them.

01:41:45.120 They can take form and take shape.

01:41:47.420 I don't know.

01:41:47.760 I just think some of these things are unexplainable by our physics, and maybe that's okay in the sense that maybe it's spiritual warfare.

01:41:54.520 I don't know.

01:41:54.960 I mean, I hope that when Donald Trump is inaugurated that he starts declassifying some of this stuff, because when I see videos like that video from 1995, I believe the guy.

01:42:04.040 Like, I believe the guy.

01:42:05.640 There's been so many people from Area 51 who have told about these same things.

01:42:09.720 Like, it's real.

01:42:10.280 To gain credibility, the government has to start declassifying almost everything. 0.76

01:42:18.180 Unless it's directly related to national security, all of this crap should be declassified.

01:42:24.740 It's the only way we're going to get our credibility back with each other is to see what actually was happening, who the bad guys are, who the good guys are.

01:42:32.340 You can't have this many secrets and have a stable society.

01:42:35.560 Back in just a second with somebody that is here at AmericaFest that I really, if you're coming, I really want you to check out.

01:42:43.600 Let me first tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

01:42:46.760 It's Christmas time.

01:42:47.700 It's Hanukkah time. 0.96

01:42:49.280 Not the best time for Jews, or actually is it. 1.00

01:42:53.180 I mean, I think our struggles make us so much stronger.

01:42:57.720 I think we're backed into a corner, so we find who we are.

01:43:00.460 We're backed into a corner.

01:43:01.460 We find God.

01:43:02.320 And there is a huge awakening that is happening in Israel as they are grieving the loss of loved ones and sending people out to war.

01:43:13.860 Right now, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews would like to send a special holiday gift for a Hanukkah food box filled with basic necessities,

01:43:25.460 essentials to bring nourishment, warmth, and comfort to somebody in need over in Israel.

01:43:30.740 We cannot forget our brothers and sisters in Israel.

01:43:35.080 If we do, we are a lost nation.

01:43:38.520 Give the gift of hope and answered prayers this holiday season.

01:43:43.240 SupportIFCJ.org.

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01:43:57.580 The not-so-prophet, Elijah, is with us now.

01:44:13.920 He's from Mercury 1.

01:44:14.880 What is your title at Mercury 1?

01:44:16.240 Yes, sir.

01:44:16.340 I'm the manager of education for Mercury 1's American Journey Experience.

01:44:19.360 Okay, so Elijah travels the country, and he is, if you think I'm a decent speaker at all, he casts a very bright light that I stand in that shadow.

01:44:31.100 And you're here.

01:44:32.900 It's Mercury 1 and AJE.

01:44:35.880 And where's your booth?

01:44:37.600 Absolutely.

01:44:38.140 So we're in the southeast corner of the exhibit hall, and we brought some really incredible artifacts from your collection.

01:44:42.660 Like, what did you bring?

01:44:43.860 Absolutely.

01:44:44.340 So we actually brought the original Christian Bale uniform from Batman that you can see where it was protecting him from actually burning up in Batman Begins.

01:44:53.760 Yeah.

01:44:54.000 We brought Thomas Jefferson's hair from his botany collection.

01:44:57.400 We have numerous artifacts from the Salem Witch Trials, an original warrant for a witch's arrest.

01:45:03.040 So amazing.

01:45:03.920 Incredible artifacts.

01:45:04.740 Did you bring the books?

01:45:06.020 Because I know I'm giving a speech tomorrow.

01:45:08.040 Did we bring the witch books?

01:45:09.600 I did bring those witch books.

01:45:11.020 I was going to keep them secret until you began talking about them.

01:45:13.280 Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

01:45:13.920 I'm going to show some things in my speech tomorrow.

01:45:17.480 It's all about history and how it lines up exactly where we are.

01:45:22.580 Yes, sir.

01:45:23.160 Did I kind of give you a rundown of the speech when I was picking the things out?

01:45:25.980 Just a little bit, and it's going to be incredible.

01:45:27.820 I advise everyone to join.

01:45:29.280 Yeah, it's going to be great.

01:45:31.120 Make sure you look for the Mercury One booth if you're here at AmericaFest and just see some truly amazing things from history and get to know what we're doing.

01:45:42.360 Because I think you want to be involved, especially with our education.

01:45:46.100 Some big things are coming next year that you don't even know about that I can't wait to share with you soon.

01:45:53.080 But we're at AmFest in Phoenix.

01:45:55.880 I'm giving the keynote tomorrow, and Sunday the president will be here.

01:46:01.300 Awesome.

01:46:01.540 So if you're in Phoenix or thinking about traveling to Phoenix, Sunday's probably not a real good day because they're going to shut everything down for the president.

01:46:11.960 Elijah, thank you so much.

01:46:13.000 Absolutely, thank you.

01:46:13.440 All right.

01:46:14.060 We have Charlie Kirk joining us in just a second on the Glenn Beck Program.

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01:47:46.220 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:48:06.740 Liz, you have an update from Washington on a new bill.

01:48:10.480 We think this is going to be introduced today in response to what happened to yesterday.

01:48:16.700 So what's the new bill we think?

01:48:20.160 That's right.

01:48:20.760 Fingers crossed.

01:48:21.780 This is from Liz Elkin.

01:48:23.360 She says, House Republican leaders expected to present this plan to lawmakers, per two sources, three separate bills, a continuing resolution, disaster relief, and farm aid, and a handshake agreement on acting on the debt limit in reconciliation.

01:48:41.140 When asked about timeline, one Republican said, we'll be here all night.

01:48:45.800 I got to tell you, I think that's fine.

01:48:47.840 And I think that's what Chip Roy was, remember we had that conversation again, off the air.

01:48:51.460 Off the air.

01:48:52.020 We have this part, yeah, off the air.

01:48:54.100 You asked me, do you think he needs it in writing?

01:48:56.720 And I said, I think he just wants assurances, you know, a man-to-man cowboy handshake, cowboy contract, that that is going to happen.

01:49:07.500 And it looks like, yes, this is just breaking.

01:49:11.820 He said he wouldn't, he said he knew it, but he wouldn't break it on the show because it wasn't his job to leak things.

01:49:19.080 So, I think that's great.

01:49:21.200 Because Charlie Kirk is with us.

01:49:22.620 Charlie, you think that?

01:49:23.380 Glenn, great to see you.

01:49:24.200 Good to see you.

01:49:24.620 It's phenomenal.

01:49:25.180 First of all, it breaks things into separate votes.

01:49:27.180 That's the first ask.

01:49:28.160 Enough of these omnibuses.

01:49:29.400 Yes.

01:49:29.680 It is the oldest trick in Washington, D.C.

01:49:32.000 Put things that are essential with things that are terrible.

01:49:34.280 Yes.

01:49:34.460 And then you bind these congressmen that are in tough districts. 0.96

01:49:37.020 They say, oh, I vote for this thing because I had all this veteran stuff that I like, and 90% of it was garbage. 0.96

01:49:41.520 Yes.

01:49:41.800 And so, if you break it into separate bills, then you can actually say, okay, farmer aid, disaster aid, fine.

01:49:47.200 Do that separately.

01:49:48.280 You know why they don't like doing that?

01:49:49.620 They actually wanted to go home this weekend for Christmas break.

01:49:51.940 It is as simple as that.

01:49:53.460 It's that there is a lifestyle component to our legislative process.

01:49:57.540 And when I first learned that, I said, wait a second, we have nurses, EMTs, we have people on 24 call that are working Christmas Eve and Christmas all through New Year's that are making the country run.

01:50:06.660 Our members of Congress can work through Christmas to go do 12 or 15 separate votes.

01:50:11.480 It's not that hard.

01:50:12.260 In fact, the stewardship of the country is far more important than your Christmas vacation.

01:50:16.840 Yes.

01:50:17.380 And, you know, they're working for the people.

01:50:23.240 Allegedly.

01:50:24.140 Allegedly.

01:50:24.640 That's what they're supposed to be doing.

01:50:25.860 And I gave up a day of my vacation to be here.

01:50:30.260 Well, you're with all these wonderful patriots.

01:50:32.440 I know.

01:50:32.800 Look at all these great people here.

01:50:33.640 And it's because everybody here is most likely doing the same thing, taking some vacation time to be here because it's important.

01:50:42.280 It's really important.

01:50:43.320 Yeah.

01:50:43.520 And it's just a phenomenal event here.

01:50:45.560 And glory be to God.

01:50:46.860 And we always...

01:50:47.540 Hang on just a second.

01:50:48.780 Glory be to God.

01:50:49.560 Yes.

01:50:50.540 But God needs actual physical hands on earth.

01:50:55.420 And you have been...

01:50:56.820 This is your thing.

01:50:58.060 Turning Point is you.

01:50:59.200 It's our thing.

01:51:00.060 Yeah.

01:51:00.340 I am.

01:51:01.160 It took a leader to lead it.

01:51:05.220 And you deserve a lot of credit for the win and all the...

01:51:10.180 Well, no.

01:51:10.720 Not all the credit, but most of the credit for this because it was your baby.

01:51:15.360 Thank you, Glenn.

01:51:15.900 That's very touching.

01:51:16.980 And you know this, and I'll throw it back at you.

01:51:18.760 You've been an instrumental piece in my worldview for me.

01:51:21.860 He won't accept it, though.

01:51:25.800 I've got to get better at receiving compliments.

01:51:28.140 I've heard you, and it's really great.

01:51:31.540 And I'm grateful that we have a good relationship, and we've helped each other out.

01:51:37.780 But let's talk about what we're facing January 20th.

01:51:45.000 Because we...

01:51:46.520 I am for the spending cuts.

01:51:49.900 I am against raising the debt limit, but if I were in Congress, I would have done it this time because I want to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.

01:51:59.200 I think he deserves it.

01:52:00.320 He's earned it, and I find it credible.

01:52:03.680 He's not a debt guy, but Elon Musk is, and Trump knows, along with Elon Musk, we've got to grow the economy, but we also have to cut it down.

01:52:14.240 And I'll give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt because if he doesn't cut the size of government dramatically, he doesn't stand a chance.

01:52:23.960 He must shrink the size of the state.

01:52:25.480 A couple things.

01:52:26.640 Number one, on this legislative back and forth is that President Trump wants a clean slate.

01:52:31.520 What does that mean?

01:52:32.240 He does not want to inherit all of the problems of this dysfunctional Congress, and he has to go clean this up.

01:52:37.340 And his agenda that he ran on, that people voted for, would be thwarted.

01:52:41.000 So he wants a clean slate.

01:52:42.480 He also doesn't want Schumer to have him over a barrel with debt ceiling unnecessarily.

01:52:48.300 What President Trump has done, and this is what will happen January 20th through Doge, is that the executive branch is going to ask a fundamental constitutional question,

01:52:56.700 and it's going to go up to the Supreme Court very quickly, which is, does the executive branch have to spend all the money that Congress sends it?

01:53:02.320 This is around the idea of the Empowerment Act.

01:53:04.360 And it's a very interesting constitutional question.

01:53:06.880 It says, of course, that Congress controls the purse, the House of Representatives.

01:53:10.320 All spending bills must originate in the House.

01:53:11.800 But it's not clear whether the executive branch has to spend all of that money if they can do the duties that Congress ascribes to them for less money.

01:53:18.600 So if Doge is able to say, hey, we're able to do this for half the cost, why can't they just send a wire back to Congress or say, no, we actually don't need it?

01:53:26.700 And that constitutional executive tension theoretically could result in hundreds of billions of dollars of cost savings.

01:53:34.040 And that is centered around, Russ Votus talked about this from the Office of Management and Budget, who's 10 out of 10, he's spectacular, is the Empowerment Act and then also the Presidential Reorganization Act.

01:53:43.040 I think that's a really healthy debate because our founders did never, they never wanted legislative supremacy.

01:53:48.840 You know this.

01:53:49.580 They wanted co-equal branches.

01:53:51.080 And we're living under this idea that Congress can just bully the executive branch of what to do with spending.

01:53:56.040 You must spend it.

01:53:56.660 In fact, Glenn, you've covered the horror stories of cabinet officials and agency secretaries that have to spend the money.

01:54:02.740 Like right now what's happening is they're finding things to spend money on because their money is going to run out.

01:54:07.460 And if you don't spend it, then you lose it the next time.

01:54:10.820 There's no reward for saving it.

01:54:12.260 And they'll say, well, even if we don't spend it, it has to be sent to another agency.

01:54:15.900 No, that's not correct.

01:54:17.200 What if every agency says, you know, try to do this for 70% of the cost or half of the cost?

01:54:22.260 And you're talking about a $6 trillion beast.

01:54:25.560 The ask is very simple.

01:54:26.840 Can we go back to pre-COVID spending?

01:54:28.500 Can we go back to 2019 spending?

01:54:29.980 We do that.

01:54:30.540 We have a $500 billion surplus.

01:54:32.660 Just back to pre-COVID spending levels.

01:54:34.740 And so the way that we shrink the size of government and the state is going to be done in a different way because typically it's like, well, you must immediately get congressional buy-in.

01:54:42.560 The executive branch has a co-equal role in identifying and potentially even saving money that Congress was forcing them once to spend.

01:54:50.340 And you know the Democrats are taking everything to court.

01:54:53.540 How long before Donald Trump just starts to shut parts of the government down?

01:54:59.300 I can't speak on his behalf, but I can say, though, that this Empowerment Act question will probably be heard this summer or sometime soon.

01:55:05.880 And if it comes back the way it should, which is this question, again, Hamilton and Madison and Jay, who were obviously the designers and explainers of the U.S. Constitution, they wanted spirited tension between the branches.

01:55:18.980 They wanted collision.

01:55:20.360 They wanted the branches to kind of not to be at war with each other, but to have different opinions on how governing should it be.

01:55:27.260 This idea that the executive branch must bend a knee because Congress has appropriated the money.

01:55:32.820 And so, look, in addition to that is if we can get this is where the other thing is that I was pushing for.

01:55:38.600 I don't think it's going to happen is if we can reauthorize the Presidential Reorganization Act, which has been authorized many times, which essentially says if an agency can do the work that is duplicative of another agency, it no longer needs to exist.

01:55:50.940 So, let's just take the Department of Education, which needs to end.

01:55:53.900 The Department of Education needs to be shut down.

01:55:55.480 Do you guys agree?

01:55:56.380 End the Department of Education.

01:55:57.840 So, do you believe Linda McMahon, because she's a great manager.

01:56:02.580 She's phenomenal. 1.00

01:56:03.260 Is she a manage to the close? 1.00

01:56:07.600 She shares the president's stated plan to close the Department of Education.

01:56:11.820 But let's just take three examples of how that can happen before you close it.

01:56:15.460 Student loans.

01:56:16.580 That should be under the Department of Treasury.

01:56:18.380 Put that under Treasury.

01:56:19.120 There's no reason it should be there.

01:56:19.860 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:56:21.360 Why do we have it?

01:56:22.360 That was the problem.

01:56:23.800 I agree.

01:56:24.220 That's going to require Congress.

01:56:25.600 What I'm getting at, though, is at least you can break apart.

01:56:28.680 Yes.

01:56:29.020 I agree.

01:56:29.440 We should get rid of any subsidized student loans.

01:56:31.280 Yes.

01:56:31.520 I'm just getting at this is the way that you can actually weaken an agency to no longer exist through duplicative type processing.

01:56:37.680 Right.

01:56:38.200 School-assisted lunch.

01:56:39.280 You can make an argument for it or against it.

01:56:41.960 But school-assisted lunch, basically, the taxpayers need to pay for lunch. 0.94

01:56:45.460 That could be under Department of Agriculture.

01:56:46.660 They do food stamps.

01:56:47.540 Much better done.

01:56:48.160 And then finally, they have this whole separate office of the Department of Education that is Senate-confirmed Tier 2 position that is the Office of Civil Rights.

01:56:55.800 Put that under the Department of Justice.

01:56:57.180 They don't need your own civil rights division in the Department of Education that goes and harasses our Christian schools and goes after conservative kids. 1.00

01:57:04.320 So you can completely close that.

01:57:05.600 That's three functions.

01:57:06.680 All of a sudden, the Department of Education inherently weakens.

01:57:09.580 And you know this, Glenn.

01:57:10.740 The Department of Education actually never existed.

01:57:12.660 It used to be called HEW.

01:57:14.500 Yep.

01:57:14.700 Health, Education, and Welfare.

01:57:16.400 Yep.

01:57:16.680 And in fact, we could re-merge these together and then we could find duplicative type processes and better synergies.

01:57:24.560 That is even before we get more to the fundamental question of which I have and you have, I don't think the Department of Education is constitutional.

01:57:31.340 I do not think that it's in the original intent as written that the federal government has any role in the education of our children, period.

01:57:39.420 What progressives do understand, but the actual voter that votes usually with Democrats don't understand, is I don't have a problem with the way you live in California.

01:57:51.940 You want to live in California and you want to be as insane as you are, you can do that.

01:57:58.680 Your own community can vote for that and that's fine.

01:58:02.120 I'm not going to pay for it and don't force me to live that way.

01:58:07.360 You know, and that's unfortunately the problem.

01:58:10.580 We have San Francisco values in small towns that do not agree with those values at all.

01:58:17.080 And it's forced upon them.

01:58:18.300 Yes.

01:58:18.560 It's forced upon them.

01:58:19.120 Because it's federal.

01:58:20.120 The Office of Civil Rights, the Department of Education.

01:58:21.840 And even worse, I mean, you guys remember, this was not a very covered issue.

01:58:27.260 The Department of Education was using school-assisted lunch funding to force transgender bathrooms. 0.99

01:58:33.240 Do you remember this?

01:58:33.920 Yes.

01:58:34.340 It was a lesson.

01:58:34.660 Yes.

01:58:34.800 Like they said, we are not going to give money for kids that need assistance for lunch if you don't have radical transgender policies. 0.74

01:58:41.920 Yes.

01:58:42.120 So what we've done is we've created this insane leverage that the Department of Education should not have over local municipalities and school districts.

01:58:50.800 And the good news is Linda McMahon, I believe, will do two things. 0.96

01:58:53.560 Again, I could say just believe looking on the outside.

01:58:55.760 Yeah.

01:58:55.980 Two things concurrently.

01:58:56.920 She wants to shut it down, but also fix as much as we can and reverse as much as we can. 0.71

01:59:00.800 No more CRT for schools.

01:59:02.100 We're going to not send any federal money after schools that are teaching DEI.

01:59:05.380 And day one, there needs to be a massive push to the NCAA, the NCAA itself, as an official bodying organization, that the federal government will not send another dime of taxpayer dollars if men are competing in female sports.

01:59:18.060 We will not tolerate that.

01:59:19.340 Absolutely.

01:59:19.780 It's not going to happen.

01:59:20.600 Yeah.

01:59:20.700 And so there's a lot that we can do in the interim to help reverse some of this nonsense we've been living through.

01:59:26.840 But to answer the question, is Trump going to just shut down agencies?

01:59:30.160 He does.

01:59:31.200 The question is, can he?

01:59:32.860 And that's the constitutional question.

01:59:35.160 It's going to go to the Supreme Court.

01:59:36.640 Correct.

01:59:36.780 And the question there is, do the federal workers in the administration work for the president, or does the president work for them?

01:59:47.300 This is the fundamental question.

01:59:48.840 I mean, if you are part of the administration, that is a branch of the government that is separate but equal.

01:59:57.720 And you have to have an executive that's running all that.

02:00:00.360 You're totally right.

02:00:00.900 And thanks to President Trump with what he did in the first term, I think, Glenn, we finally have a Supreme Court that's willing to weigh in.

02:00:08.200 And look, the West Virginia v. EPA case, other constitutional cases that we've seen in recent years are getting at the fundamental question of, wait a second, the authoring, the birth of the administrative state is illegitimate.

02:00:22.400 The administrative state itself is an illegitimate experiment that you cannot author regulation without Congress.

02:00:27.480 In fact, said differently, that the entire premise that there is a fourth branch of government that is unelected, unknown, and unchecked is against our birth certificate.

02:00:38.320 And so I think we're finally, I think the Overton window has moved enough.

02:00:41.800 I know you wrote a book called Overton Window years ago.

02:00:43.660 It was a great book growing up.

02:00:44.680 I read it.

02:00:45.280 It's finally moved enough where I think the American people can stomach it.

02:00:48.560 And here's why I love what Doge is doing.

02:00:50.200 If they do nothing else than just live tweet the government waste that they find in real time, they will have done a great service to this country.

02:00:58.000 Don't underestimate the exposure of things.

02:01:00.120 Oh, I think we saw the Trump Doge machine on Wednesday.

02:01:07.480 You know, you can talk all you want, but when the president and Elon Musk and the rest of us have a leader that says, nope, stop this right now, the American people stood up and it stopped.

02:01:19.740 And here's what's amazing.

02:01:21.220 Thanks to Elon Musk purchasing X and turning it into a more popular, we didn't have to go through any of the mainstream media.

02:01:26.160 We just did it.

02:01:27.580 In fact, what the media is now doing, the media networks are now just reporting what they're reading on X.

02:01:32.600 We can do that.

02:01:33.240 We don't need to watch them for that.

02:01:34.480 I know.

02:01:34.700 They're literally just reading X and they're like, well, now breaking on X.

02:01:37.380 Okay, I got that.

02:01:37.880 I could do it in real time.

02:01:38.700 I don't need your intermediaries.

02:01:40.420 And so it's a decentralization and a small de-democratization of the flow of information.

02:01:45.600 I will tell you, when we were talking about Time Magazine and the person of the year, obvious there's no other choice than Donald Trump.

02:01:55.260 He is the guy who's going to change the whole world.

02:01:58.680 And if he does what he said, he will be remembered as another Abraham Lincoln kind of guy, kind of figure.

02:02:04.280 I think you're right.

02:02:05.020 An anti-FDR slash Wilson.

02:02:08.480 However, the only other choice could have been Elon Musk.

02:02:13.500 I think that's right.

02:02:14.340 He did more to save our country just by buying X than anything else.

02:02:19.840 I think you'll appreciate this.

02:02:20.860 I said it when it happened and now it's proven to be true.

02:02:23.660 It's the most important transaction since the Louisiana Purchase.

02:02:27.380 Yeah.

02:02:28.020 And of scale and importance.

02:02:30.260 I believe it was the cause that was set in motion that helped us save our civilization.

02:02:35.440 Charlie, we'll see you later on your show, I think.

02:02:37.260 Thank you, Glenn.

02:02:37.620 Looking forward to it.

02:02:38.400 Thank you.

02:02:38.920 Thanks, guys.

02:02:39.540 We'll be back in just a minute.

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02:04:15.620 I'm going to give Liz Wheeler the last minute. 0.62

02:04:18.560 She's been so gracious on the program this week, filling in for Stu.

02:04:22.300 Last word goes to you.

02:04:24.360 Well, I hardly even know how to start saying this, but I feel like I have a

02:04:28.080 properly responded to a couple of very kind compliments that you've given me on the air.

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The Glenn Beck Program - December 20, 2024

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