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On this episode of The Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck explains why he thinks we should have an American Pope. He also talks about the dangers of over-spending, and why the dollar is going down every single day.
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And it has nothing to do with Catholicism or this Pope in particular.
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I got to tell you, I got a whole bunch of, you know, copy points in front of me that I'm
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We have Russ Vogt on today because he's the guy who's, you know, managing the budget and
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everything else and kind of laying everything out for the big, beautiful bill.
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Uh, and I want to talk to him about what's happening because I am more and more convinced
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Well, maybe not because, I mean, miracles can happen.
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Uh, but, uh, it's, we're in dangerous, dangerous territory.
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We have got to cut our spending dramatically, dramatically.
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Well, I hope that it doesn't mean that we now have, you know, papal wardrobe options.
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You know, I'm hoping the American Pope's not going to show up at the Vatican in Patagonia puffer vests sipping oat milk.
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Well, I hope it doesn't mean that the Vatican now has a lobbyist.
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Confession will now require insurance pre-authorization.
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You know, I hope it doesn't mean communion wafers replaced with gluten-free USDA-certified Eucharist thins that now come in spicy nacho and cool ranch.
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I hope it doesn't mean that the Pope-mobile now has a coexist bumper sticker and a don't tread on me license plate just to keep everyone guessing.
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Oh, by the way, that bad boy, he's an American.
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It won't move because it'll be plugged into a solar charger in the middle of a thunderstorm.
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But that's the American way of doing things now.
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You know, I, I would like all of our religious leaders to, to preach a little, not a lot, a little fire and brimstone, just a little bit, a little, a little less equity and composting in the sermons, a little more fire and brimstone, you know.
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But if we have an American Pope, maybe there will be no hell, just a very underfunded public transit system.
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And Judgment Day, well, I mean, Judgment Day is going to be delayed a little bit until we, until the Vatican completes its DEI training modules.
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I know I'm being cynical here, but I just, I mean, that's, I mean, that's who I am, you know.
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I don't know, it'd be great, but he's from Chicago.
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He's been writing, you know, op-eds against Donald Trump, which is cool, I guess.
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I mean, you know, he doesn't have to agree with me on politics, but I hope his politics are, I mean, can we get a guy who's not political?
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And somebody who believes in Christ, I hear something.
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I know, all I know, we're going to, we're going to talk to an expert here in just a few minutes, and he's going to give us the lowdown on this guy.
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But this is the guy who helped Francis pick the 80 new Cardinals that voted for him yesterday.
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So, I don't know, but I pray he's different than the last one.
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You know, I don't really want to live in a world where the Pope, the keeper of sacred tradition, you know, might feel pressure to update the catechism like it's terms and conditions.
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Your sins may be monetized and shared with third parties.
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You know, sir, excuse me, I'd like to remind you, I identify as somebody who's already paid my taxes in full.
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See, this is the problem that's happening in all of our faith.
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It's the problem when you dress up relativism, you know, in holy robes.
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If everyone's truth is true, then nothing is true.
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And if nothing is true, then nothing means anything.
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And if nothing means anything, we're not modern.
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Right now, our kids are not, they're not leaving the church because it's too strict.
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They're leaving because it's turned into a TED Talk with candles.
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They want, I don't know, somebody to go, that's good, that's evil.
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They want somebody to just say, there is good and evil.
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Because even our kids know that the world is a storm.
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And you don't build a lighthouse out of interpretive dance and feelings.
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That's why I think people are going back, Catholics, kids, are going back to the Latin Mass.
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You know, when the world feels absolutely insane, maybe the only same thing left is a 2,000-year-old chant in a language that nobody understands,
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delivered by a guy in robes who doesn't smile, doesn't riff, and believes in eternity.
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That kind of mystery speaks louder than the progressive sermonette about meeting people where they are.
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If our churches just keep meeting people where they are, eventually our churches are going to find themselves in hell with a Spotify playlist and a rainbow-causable.
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Please, please, be American all you want, okay?
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Quote Jefferson, if, please, dear God, you know who he is, okay?
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But please, for the love of everything good and sacred, don't Americanize the faith.
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Because, I mean, America gave the world a lot of really great things.
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The Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, blue jeans, barbecue.
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But it also gave the world reality TV and gender reveals and 87 versions of Christianity where Jesus wears skinny jeans and only speaks in motivational quotes.
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Be the pope who says, no, no, excuse me, this is the truth.
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Not because it polls well, but because it was true before you were born, and it will be true after TikTok is nothing but a ghost town.
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In a world where everything is customizable, the only thing that people are now dying for to find is something that doesn't change, something solid, something sacred, something that says, this is a rock.
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And if an American pope could say that, well, I mean, that just might be the most radical thing he could ever do.
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We're going to find out from some people who actually watch this stuff and know.
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But today, you know, I told you two years ago, two years ago yesterday, that my family was going through some things.
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And that my daughter had been rushed to the hospital.
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And, you know, I gave you the distinct impression that it was suicidal problems that we were dealing with.
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And I don't even think I said it was my daughter.
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And all of my children have gone through stuff like this.
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I don't know, maybe it's because, I don't know, maybe it's because they have me as a dad.
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But this morning I got up and I saw my daughter's Instagram post.
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And I haven't talked to you about this because it's not my story to share, it's hers.
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But I want to just share with you what I read this morning from my daughter.
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She said, honestly, I haven't had the words for this post come to me yet.
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But I haven't been able to figure out what to say, what those words are.
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So I'm just going to start typing and hope this goes well.
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On this date, two years ago, around 8.30 at night, I was admitted to the ER at Baylor Medical Center right by my house.
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I had taken action to end my life and my time on this earth.
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Two years ago, you'd barely get a smile out of me.
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I didn't feel I had purpose in my life, and I was questioning Christ.
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I felt like he had abandoned me, and I was nothing more than a waste of space.
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After doctors did some tests, they told me if I had taken just a few more of those pills,
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I wouldn't have made it to see the sunrise again.
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They kept me in the hospital for a few days and then proceeded to admit me to Mesa Springs Mental Hospital to start my healing process.
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I was discharged on May 17th, and on the drive home, I specifically remember making one decision
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that if I was going to stay alive, I was not going to live like this anymore.
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So I started seeing my therapist weekly, reading my Bible, and getting to know Christ again.
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I started surrounding myself with friends who set a good example for those around them,
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I've devoted my whole life and my career now to Christ,
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and I'm in constant gratitude that I get to experience little things like senior prom and graduation next week because of him.
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In almost every picture that gets taken of me now,
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I'm either laughing or have the biggest smile on my face.
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Now, I hate sappy posts, so I apologize for being hypocritical with this post,
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I just hope my story can help someone who is struggling with these feelings, too,
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but there is light at the end of a very dark tunnel.
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And I know because I'm looking at it right now.
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and always remember that you are so loved by others around you,
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but most of the time, I don't even know what it is.
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and I have my last one is just graduating high school,
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One of my favorite guys in Washington, D.C. is Russell Vogt.
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He is the Office of Management and Budget Director.
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Anybody who's got those wanted posters from the left, I'm a fan.
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the super, super fantastic, beautiful bill that is coming out
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Okay, so I want to talk to you about the Republicans
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because I believe they're kind of a waste of space.
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And President Trump has been playing very, very nice with them,
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trying to get them to do what I think is something
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Can you tell me where we stand on this and what's in it?
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Right now, the House is trying to meet their instructions.
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They basically passed a budget that would have $1.5 trillion in savings
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and they are working through to get a bill that can pass.
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And we're right there with them trying to get it done.
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And I think it would be, you know, big savings.
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is to try to figure out how to make this a historic opportunity
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do the tax cuts the president wanted to do on the campaign,
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this is an opportunity to have some of the highest reforms
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We lost some time in that, and we're trying to catch up.
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My hope is next week that they pass it out of committee,
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and then go to budget and set up a vote thereafter
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I don't think they've noticed yet, the committees,
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is trying to save the country from the Great Reset,
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and you want it to be towards shareholder capitalism,
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I mean, Congress needs to move a little quicker?
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when I left office the first time under President Trump,
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we had about $300 billion per year in interest costs,
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So we've got this enormous interest cost as a result,
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you've heard an emphasis from the administration on balance,
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to deal with kind of the paralysis from Capitol Hill
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and we're going to try to make those savings permanent
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within the parameters of the law and the Constitution.
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We're going to move as fast and aggressively as possible
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where we just kind of send bills up and wait on them.
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You know, we have one big bill that needs to occur.
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We've tried to put everything as we possibly can on that
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because it has procedural protection in the Senate.
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and not just the renewal of the Trump tax cuts,
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We should be going the other way, shouldn't we?
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Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.
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Douglas Murray is on with us here in just a second.
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And we're going to talk about his book on democracies and death cults.
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But I want to start with something that has been hashed and rehashed so many times.
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But I think I agree with Douglas on what he said.
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But I always bristle at anybody who's like, you can't talk about that.
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And so I just want to talk to him briefly about that and see exactly, have him lay what he said out.
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Um, because, uh, I, I think he's making a very important point, uh, that we all need to really, truly understand.
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And then on democracies and death cults, because that's what we're in a fight against.
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Douglas Murray joins us in just a couple of seconds.
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So, I mean, I hate to get into this because it's been talked about for so long, but I just, I think I agree with you, Douglas.
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And I just want to make sure that we're saying the same thing.
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Can you lay out the controversy that you've been embroiled in here recently?
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Do you mean, sorry, because I tend to be embroiled in quite a lot of controversy.
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The one where you're accused of saying, don't listen to anybody unless they have an Oxford degree.
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I think this is the controversy that came up from my recent appearance on Joe Rogan podcast.
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The simple thing I said, which has been, I think, misrepresented by a very large number of people deliberately,
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is that everybody has the right to say anything they like about anything.
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But that doesn't mean that all opinions should be regarded as being equal.
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And when I was brought on to debate, and it's not often in Joe Rogan's podcast that he ever does that.
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He normally has people on to just give their opinion, and you can take it or leave it.
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But he felt that clearly that a pro-Israel voice like mine had to be countered on air.
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And when I was talking about my recent book, a recent bestseller on democracies and death, cults, Israel and the future of civilization,
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I got into the weeds of what has been happening in the last two years in the Middle East.
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I got into it because, not just because I've written about it, but because I've seen it all up close.
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I've spent the last couple of years mainly living in Israel and being embedded with the Israeli defense forces in Gaza and in Lebanon and elsewhere.
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And I discovered that the person I was being pitched against, who was wildly, wildly uninformed on issue after issue,
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was just spouting and spouting and spouting, turned out never to have even been to the region.
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And I said, this is like if we were to discover that Chinese state media had somebody on all the time talking about America,
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claiming that America was a racist country, claiming that black Americans are currently being lynched and sold into slavery.
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If we discovered that that person was rampaging across the Chinese media, that he had never been to America,
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didn't speak English, and obviously so, because he's so wildly misinformed,
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we would regard that person as being almost comical in their ignorance, certainly malevolent.
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So why should it be that when there are people at home here in America who are also just not informed,
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just as many British people are not informed, about big situations in the world that they're talking about,
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why should their opinion be regarded as being somehow sacrosanct?
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Experts have let us down badly, but it doesn't mean there is no such thing as expertise or comparative expertise in matters.
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And if people don't understand that and don't understand that, for instance,
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a journalist who goes and reports firsthand may well get things wrong,
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but it's a darn sight better than somebody who's never left their bedroom and thinks they know the world.
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You know, I just read a quote, I think it was from Jefferson, and I've adapted it to modern times.
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The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but social media.
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But I think that's the kind of expert we have now that are running around.
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And I don't believe in you have to be credentialed or anything like that.
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I don't think you have to have a formal education.
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But I think serious people can do serious study on their own, especially in today's world,
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But, you know, you also have to have enough humility to go, look, I'm not an expert in this.
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I've just done a lot of homework, and I'm open to different opinions, but here's what I found.
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And there's a lot of good that can come from that, and we all do that to some extent.
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But that is, as you say, the ignorance that social media in particular is able to push
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on people is extraordinary, not least because of the lack of humility.
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And one of the things in that debate, it was really me against Joe and the comedian he'd
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One of the things that was startling about it was the sheer lack of humility of the guy
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I mean, he seemed to think that he knew everything about Israel and the IDF, despite never having
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been there or met anyone or spoken with anyone on the ground in the IDF.
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And he seemed to think that he knew better than the Israeli defense forces how they should
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protect their people from another massacre like October the 7th.
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Like, maybe the generals in the Israeli army and the politicians and others who have been
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losing family for the last 18 months fighting in Gaza, maybe they do know something more
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than you have gleaned from social media sitting in Austin, Texas.
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I mean, people quite often say to me, you know, what would you tell this politician or
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what would you tell this general when you meet them?
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Because that's much, much more important because they know more about the proximate
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causes of the conflict and what they're doing to prevent it.
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And when I hear and see these people, there was a guy, one of Joe Rogan's friends who'd
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been cropping up on social media recently, and he accepted this challenge that I put out,
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which was, if you know, if you have a plan for how you would get 250 hostages back from
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the densely built up and booby-trapped area of Gaza, and if you know how to get 250 hostages
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back and how to kill or capture all the leadership of Hamas, if you have a better plan than what
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the Israelis have been doing from the last 18 months, let me know, and I will pass it
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And one of these comedians decided to take up this challenge.
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He said, among other things, he said, why don't they fight like men?
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And you say, I'm sorry, I've been to the funerals of young men who had no desire to have to ever
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be in Gaza again, who lost their lives because they were fighting house to house with terrorists
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embedded in mosques and in hospitals and in civilian homes and cropping up from tunnels
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And if the IDF and the Israeli Air Force had wanted to level the place, they could have
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But they didn't because they wanted to minimize casualties on their opponent's side and minimize
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And you have to put up with some doofus claiming that he's the real man and he knows because
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he's sitting in a podcast studio somewhere two continents away.
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And I think that is just objectionable on every level and displays a lack of humility
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I tell you, Douglas, I mean, I think I struggled from this a little bit.
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I mean, I've done this job for almost 50 years now.
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But when I got into television, everything changes so rapidly.
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And I was pretty assured that I was right on things.
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You had a big, you know, I spent a lot of money on research and everything else at really
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But when I left there and I was reflecting on what I had done, I came to the understanding
01:39:41.240
and I think this just comes from maturity and experience.
01:39:46.020
And that is the only thing I'm certain of is that I'm not certain of anything.
01:40:02.520
But that doesn't necessarily make it the absolute truth.
01:40:14.100
And, you know, one of the things going on is that is that all of us who are who I hope
01:40:20.140
are curious and want to learn more and know more and understand things better.
01:40:28.380
But it also doesn't mean that on the things we know about, including the things we've seen
01:40:34.100
with our own eyes, that we should be lacking in confidence to say, yes, it's a really tough
01:40:42.920
You have to have the confidence in what you do know, but you also have to have the humility
01:40:51.000
And one of the things that I do know is that having seen war up close, not just in this
01:41:00.220
I know what the difference is between a death cult, as I call Hamas, like a death cult like
01:41:08.280
Hamas that fights for death, fights to bring death to its enemies, fights to bring death
01:41:18.120
I know the difference between the death cult like that and the democracy like Israel or
01:41:24.400
the United States of America and our armies who fight for life, who fight to minimize casualties
01:41:32.140
on our own side and fight to minimize casualties on the enemy side.
01:41:37.140
And there is all the difference in the world between these two things.
01:41:41.460
OK, so when I people finding it complicated to tell the difference between a democracy and
01:41:50.900
I want to talk about the death cult because it's not just happening with Hamas.
01:41:54.240
I think the entire West, the world is entangled with death cults all over.
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Ten seconds station ID and then back with Douglas Murray.
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So, Douglas, I want to talk about the death cults over in Israel, but I'd like to start
01:43:37.540
I mean, the the progressive death cult that we're fighting here in America, they're all
01:43:43.360
they're all kind of the same thing in many ways.
01:43:50.920
And just look at the way in which they're always supportive of each other.
01:43:55.940
Just look at the way in which here in New York, where I am, we had again two days ago, as
01:44:04.120
I wrote in my column in the New York Post today, we had hundreds of people descending on a university
01:44:10.380
library in New York City, chanting glory to our martyrs, glory to our martyrs.
01:44:18.520
Who are the martyrs, the the terrorists and rapists and beheaders and kidnappers of Hamas?
01:44:30.520
Why would American students be claiming that rapists and beheaders and baby killers like
01:44:41.940
This is because and I go into this in on democracies and death cults a lot.
01:44:47.980
What is it that's happened in our society in America and in the West that we have so many
01:44:54.660
people in our midst who hate our own civilization so much that they will glorify the people who
01:45:04.460
Yeah, but wait, wait, it's not even it's not it's farther than that.
01:45:07.860
They somehow or another hate our way of life or our our republic so much that they will
01:45:15.740
side with people if you're LGBTQ side with people that will kill you if they're in power.
01:45:24.820
Well, one of the great idiots of our time, the so-called gender expert, Judith Butler, said
01:45:31.660
after the October 7th massacres, he, I think, identifies at the moment as a they.
01:45:37.220
She used to be a lesbian when I was growing up.
01:45:45.100
And she she said after October the 7th that people on the left in America must keep hold
01:45:53.120
of the idea, the fact, as she saw it, that terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are
01:45:58.920
progressive movements that demand our support, demand our support.
01:46:04.520
Now, what what is going on in the minds of people like this?
01:46:09.720
I mean, in one way, of course, we should think there's not much going on in their minds.
01:46:12.980
It's no easier to work out their minds than it is to predict the future by looking through
01:46:18.720
But just consider for a moment what is really going on.
01:46:22.840
What is really going on is there is a so-called progressive movement in America and the West
01:46:28.160
that hates the West so much that they will grab hold of anyone they see as being anti-Western
01:46:36.900
Look at the student group of Columbia that's been under the microscope a bit more in recent
01:46:42.740
They say in their statements, as well as wanting the abolition of the Jewish state and the
01:46:46.840
destruction of the Jewish people and much more.
01:46:48.780
They say they want, quote, the complete destruction of Western civilization, the complete destruction
01:46:56.800
And, you know, one of the things that's very interesting is they show it and they mean it.
01:47:02.660
Because among other things, whenever they have one of their protests, they will fly the Palestinian
01:47:10.820
They'll never fly the flag of the United States of America.
01:47:13.100
If you have a pro-Israel event that happens sometimes in America and Canada and elsewhere,
01:47:20.620
you will guarantee you will see American flags and Israeli flags.
01:47:24.520
There will be the singing of the Israeli national anthem and the singing of the American national
01:47:30.460
There's a student at Columbia who I got to know when writing this book who had fought in
01:47:35.760
the American military and he had gone back to Columbia to continue his studies.
01:47:40.120
And in the middle of this terrorist encampment at his university, he had the temerity, in
01:47:47.080
my mind, the guts and the patriotism, to walk into the middle of the encampment and fly the
01:47:56.980
And he said to me afterwards, what has gone wrong in my country?
01:48:01.840
What has gone wrong that me flying the flag that I fought for and my friends died for should
01:48:09.300
become some kind of offense in the center of New York City?
01:48:16.360
Why are there so many people among us who don't just hate Israel and support Hamas and support
01:48:29.340
So let's go there because it's happening all over the West.
01:48:35.900
Um, and so what has happened to us and, and how do we turn that around?
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Uh, he is a associate editor of the spectator, but he's also got a new book out.
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He's the author of a book on democracy and death cults.
01:51:15.500
And it's something that all of us are facing all throughout the Western world.
01:51:19.220
Um, there are these cults that just, and I, I put the climate change people in the same
01:51:24.920
They would rather see people die, uh, than, you know, uh, have air conditioning and, and,
01:51:31.640
and working functioning economies because they believe somehow or another that the planet
01:51:37.480
is going to, uh, that we're going to destroy the planet, which I think is incredibly arrogant.
01:51:41.460
But, um, I'd put that in the same category, but he's specifically talking about, um, Israel
01:51:47.980
and how this death cult is coming here in America as well in our own universities.
01:51:53.100
Uh, Douglas, how did this happen to us and, and how do we stop this?
01:51:59.080
I think it's happened in one way in particular, Glenn, which is that as I actually wrote about
01:52:04.840
in my previous book, the war on the West, what we've seen in the last generation in particular
01:52:10.480
has been a very careful indoctrination of young Americans into being anti-American.
01:52:19.420
There are many fine young men and women in this country who've seen through this rot, but
01:52:24.100
by and large, they have been taught from the cradle upwards through the school system, through
01:52:29.960
the university and college system, that there's something fundamentally rotten about America.
01:52:36.080
And what I mean by that is the way in which, for instance, everything that has been seen
01:52:41.860
as good in the American past, every hero we have has been turned into some kind of villain.
01:52:48.860
Look at the way in which founding fathers have been attacked.
01:52:52.760
Look at the way in which almost every American president has been attacked.
01:52:56.300
Look at the way in which almost every American institution has been seen, not as something
01:53:01.780
that can go wrong on occasion and could be righted under the correct administrations and
01:53:10.220
Look at the way in which America has been presented and increasingly, I have to say, from
01:53:14.300
the right as well as from the left, as a country that has actually been a force for ill in the
01:53:21.080
And if you look at that, and then you look at the figures, for instance, asking young Americans
01:53:26.000
and others in the West, would you fight for your country if it was under an existential
01:53:30.220
threat like the threat that Israel has been under?
01:53:33.660
Look at the numbers and how low they are of the people who say, yes, I'd fight for my country.
01:53:38.960
And people like us throw up our hands and we say, how on earth could this be the case?
01:53:43.020
Who would risk their lives for a country they've been told is rotten?
01:53:46.840
This is one of the big things in our era that needs to be turned around.
01:53:53.880
I saw it early because I saw it in Britain and Europe, and I wrote about it there, how
01:53:59.360
British people had been told that their history was solely one of colonialism and oppression
01:54:07.020
And I saw it happen to that society and demoralize the society of my birth.
01:54:15.220
Americans have been deliberately demoralized in the last generation.
01:54:20.300
And this is something we have to turn around because it's also being pushed on us, pushed
01:54:26.800
on us by countries that are very happy to teach us and push this false version of our own
01:54:36.960
Look at the way in which the Chinese Communist Party loves to push this.
01:54:41.100
Look at the hundreds of millions of dollars, the billions of dollars that Qatar pumps into
01:54:47.060
America, including the American education system, to try to turn young Americans against
01:54:56.560
It's taking advantage of a weakness that exists in our society, which is a desire for self-criticism.
01:55:06.480
It's a strength a lot of the time, the strength to be able to be self-critical.
01:55:10.800
But sometimes somebody else pushes on you the idea that your self-criticism should turn
01:55:17.020
into self-laceration and eventually self-hate and self-destruction.
01:55:23.040
And one of the positive things I say in democracies and death cults is that I have seen how a society
01:55:29.500
can turn around because I saw how young Israelis have been taught a version of this themselves.
01:55:35.120
But when they face the time of trial, when thousands of terrorists invaded their country in a single
01:55:41.900
morning on October the 7th, that same generation that was expected to be weak stood up and said,
01:55:48.500
no, we can be strong and we will defend our people, our faith, our families, our way of life.
01:55:58.100
And that was the big surprise in that hero generation with World War II.
01:56:09.060
You know, they're never going to be able to save anything.
01:56:11.460
And they turn out to be what we now call the greatest generation.
01:56:14.820
And I think this new generation that is coming up right now is that hero generation again.
01:56:20.620
I think they're going to be, well, they're going to be the ones that lose it or save us.
01:56:27.100
But I really see all kinds of signs that they are the ones that are going to save us.
01:56:33.700
Everywhere in America I go, everywhere I get to speak to young people, to students, I speak
01:56:38.460
in theaters and I have a disproportionately young audience in attendance.
01:56:41.900
I see these young people coming up who, as I say, they've seen through the rot that they've
01:56:47.820
And this gives me enormous encouragement about the future, as I know it does you and your
01:56:52.240
listeners, because we have to be able to turn things around.
01:56:56.060
And the one thing I would say about that, it comes to the point of the fourth turning,
01:56:59.540
is that what really matters is that when you come to the time of trial, which all societies
01:57:07.020
come to, usually multiple times, you would hope it'll be further down the road than it
01:57:13.780
But whenever you come to that moment, as Israel did on the 7th of October, it's not just about
01:57:19.200
extraordinary people stepping up in extraordinary circumstances.
01:57:23.700
And I give some of the stories of the heroic young people, some of whom lost their lives,
01:57:30.740
But I give some of the stories of these people, because one of the things I've realized so
01:57:34.580
clearly, and I try to bring across the non-democracies and deaf cults, is it's not just about the
01:57:41.480
It's about how you have cultivated and cultured your young people in preparation for that moment.
01:57:49.340
The greatest generation didn't just come about by chance.
01:57:53.780
They also came about because they had been well-cultured in America, understand the virtue
01:58:00.360
of America, the goodness of America, the values of America.
01:58:07.040
They came from a country that still had the ability to feel pride in itself.
01:58:16.440
If this generation coming up is itself going to be fit for the moments of tests, which will
01:58:22.700
definitely come, whether they are moments of trial like that, which Israel has gone through
01:58:27.580
and other societies have in recent history, we'll see.
01:58:32.500
But in any case, it's not just about the moment and people rising to the moment.
01:58:37.340
It's what they do to prepare themselves in advance for that moment.
01:58:41.700
I'll tell you, you know, when I started the blaze, I don't even know, 15 years ago, I just
01:58:48.860
felt that we can't repair anything unless voices can be heard.
01:58:54.220
And, you know, Netflix was still sending movies out through the mail.
01:58:59.620
And I started the blaze to try to develop a home because I happen to believe at the internet.
01:59:10.120
But and I feel like in so many ways that what I set out to do to disrupt, you look at the
01:59:17.380
media now and you look at everybody, everybody, Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, Daily Wire, blaze.
01:59:27.900
It is time that we set our sights on education and completely disrupt education, especially
01:59:43.760
And one of the things that's very important now is that here in America, with Donald Trump
01:59:49.400
returned to the presidency, the right has got a great opportunity, the greatest in a generation.
01:59:55.740
And the question for me and for us is what do we do after that point of victory?
02:00:02.080
It's not enough that we just criticize and so on.
02:00:06.260
Because as you know, and as your listeners know, it's also about what we build.
02:00:12.040
It's about what we teach and the people we bring up in this country, in this society.
02:00:16.740
And there's a historic opportunity to turn this around.
02:00:20.280
You know, the president often talks about common sense.
02:00:24.900
But it's it's also about what more we build on top of that, because America is still facing
02:00:33.080
all sorts of threats around the world and internally.
02:00:37.080
And as I say, a lot of these people who hate America and hate the West, they want to degrade
02:00:57.080
Of course, nobody wants to be brought up just to know what they're against.
02:01:02.220
One of the things I've seen from the soldiers I've seen fighting for their country and for
02:01:07.620
their lives in the last couple of years is it's not enough just to know what you hate
02:01:14.380
It's about what you love and what you want to defend.
02:01:18.700
We have a great amount in America and the West, more than anywhere else in human history,
02:01:27.680
And we have the opportunity to reinstitute that ethos in America.
02:01:33.100
And I would say that there's a great advantage on our side, which is that the left has resentment.
02:01:43.200
It teaches them to live thwarted and unhappy lives in which they blame other people for
02:01:51.820
But we on the right and on the conservative side have a much better set of tools.
02:02:01.720
We have the ability to cherish and to nurture and to bring up people who orient themselves
02:02:07.620
not in the path of resentment, but in the path of genuine pride and gratitude for what we have
02:02:19.800
Douglas, I can't remember the last time I said this if I ever had said this to somebody.
02:02:24.860
I think you're one of the most important voices of our day.
02:02:30.340
Everything you're saying is absolutely true and can be done and must be done now.
02:02:37.360
The name of the book is On Democracies and Death Cults.
02:02:57.520
Very pleasure to be with you and your listeners, Glenn.
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It's somebody who just got off because they brought their friend a gun, but they said they didn't know that their friend was going to use it.
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They thought they were just going to, you know, show it off and scare the guy away, and it actually ended up in somebody's death.
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RL just got defaken, which translating means I need my gun in real life, but this guy is just faken.
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My defense would be, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, nobody knows what that means.
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Um, so I asked you to text that to your friends and then, uh, without explanation and then go without explanation and then, and then put it on X, their response, uh, and make sure you hashtag, uh, Glenn Beck's joint.
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Give me a, uh, some, I will say the most common one was just question mark.
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It was, uh, uh, just one person said, need my joint.
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Uh, another one was what do you, and she said, do you understand my text?
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And the response was, do you need your joint relocated?
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Uh, another one, which I like as a chiropractor, uh, someone who, Alison said, I need my joint.
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And the response was, I will get your gun for real life.
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A decent amount of people were like, I like, I'm listening to Glenn too.
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But, uh, people, uh, not necessarily immediately recognizing what was going on there.
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I don't have a person in my life that would know what that meant.
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We were just talking to Douglas Murray about really understanding different cultures.
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I mean, it used to be we don't understand different cultures.
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No, now it means, uh, I should, I should, I don't know, go to my kid's school and listen
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What's fascinating about it is like, you know, people will be like, oh, that's the, there's
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I mean, maybe that's partially it, but it's also cultural and age and geography.
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And, and I think also now to the point of like online and offline and like, it's in your
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It's like, have you ever noticed that people can live like two blocks from each other over
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They've got like 600 different accents and it's, it's the size of like one of our supermarkets.
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The country is, uh, and you're like, how do you all have a different accent?
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We're all speaking a different language and sometimes we live in the same house.
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I don't, I don't know if that's the melting pot thing that might come undone.