'Feeling A Little Cheated'? (William Hertling joins Glenn) - 3⧸29⧸18
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 52 minutes
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152.19527
Summary
It s been nearly two years since the Pulse nightclub attack, and we ve just now gotten a clear picture of what really happened on that terror-filled night. The question is, will the media ever stop chasing the narratives that turn gay men into killers?
Transcript
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So it's been nearly two years since the Pulse nightclub attack. Two years.
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And I'm going to blow your mind, because we've just now gotten a clear picture of what really happened on that terror-filled night.
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Now, think of the Pulse nightclub shooting. What was this all about?
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The killer pledged allegiance to ISIS. Therefore, the killer was a radical Islamic terrorist.
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This was a terror attack. Zero room for speculation there. But that's not what the media ran with.
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For two years, the media and many in the gay community have been calling this a hate crime on the LGBT community.
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Hours after the attack went down, the media went into a full-on narrative mode,
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trying to paint the picture of the killer as a man with repressed anger over his own sexual urges
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They pulled in witnesses from the club that swore they'd seen him there before, looking for a homosexual encounter.
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They connected him to gay dating apps and even interviewed his ex-wife
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that claimed she had always expected he might have been gay.
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He liked to look at himself in the mirror a lot.
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So instead of having a discussion of the dangers of radical Islamic terrorism and ISIS,
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how Republicans were turning gay men into killers with their repression,
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Was this an ISIS terror attack or was it a gay hate crime?
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Two years later, we now know the entire timeline of what went down that night,
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The question is, will the media undo or at least attempt to undo the damage
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The Pulse nightclub was not the killer's intended target.
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At 10 p.m., the killer arrived at the Disney World shopping and entertainment area.
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They now have footage, security camera footage,
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showing him using a stroller to conceal his weapon.
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It showed him passing by multiple police officers and security officers
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It was the security at Walt Disney World that made him rethink his choice.
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Good guys with a gun stopped a terror attack on Disney that night.
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Now imagine if Disney World would have been marked a gun-free zone.
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How many more attacks would be stopped before they even got started?
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The killer then went to his car and he pulled out his phone.
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We now know that he googled downtown Orlando nightclubs.
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The top two hits were Eve nightclub, which is not a gay club,
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He pulled up directions to Eve and then surveilled the club.
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He apparently decided that Eve was an easier target
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because he then plugged the directions back into his phone
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he turned back towards Pulse and then began his attack.
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not once did he make a derogatory remark about gay people.
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Everything he said was regarding U.S. policy in the Middle East
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and his goal of bringing violence to the U.S. mainland.
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The killer was looking for the softest target with a lot of people.
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Who he killed, who they slept with, didn't matter as long as they were Americans.
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What do you think is happening now with Parkland?
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to point fingers, to assign blame, and gain power.
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Is there anybody anymore in America that doesn't wear a tribal jersey?
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A woman that this audience rescued in the Middle East.
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I don't know what the rest of the media is going to do
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and I don't know what everybody else is going to do.
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They didn't have a problem with my adopted children.
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That this guy was not targeting homosexuals at all.
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I have been at restaurants and asked if they could just make a corn dog.
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They always, they always claim no, but you know, I think it's because they don't want to.
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Is there a corn dog batter just hanging around?
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You can make some batter, throw that around a hot dog, stick a stick in it, pop it down.
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It's got a hot dog wrapped in bacon covered with Cheetos cheese sauce topped with spicy
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Let me give you, oh God, some of these are just, uh, all right.
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I went to a, I went to a Yankees game in New York, uh, in the old stadium and then went
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and then like the next day at a fly out Seattle to Seattle, had a meeting and went to a game
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It was a completely different, it was a completely different experience.
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When I got to Seattle, you know, everybody was like, can I get you an espresso?
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And I'm like, you would have been beaten to death in New York if you would have asked
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Now that you reminded me that it was first day of baseball, now you've got me all nostalgic.
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Because what you like about sports and the only thing you like about sports is that sort
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of nostalgic connection to family, you know, father, son.
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Yeah, it makes me think of my dad and I don't know why.
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I mean, we, you know, well, I do, but I don't know.
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You know, I think this is the first time that that's done that to me.
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You know, I, I, uh, you know, we've, we've not, uh, we've not talked about my father's
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Um, I, if you're a long time listener of this program, you know, that, uh, for years, my
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And, um, and then we had the greatest relationship, just the best.
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Uh, and he was my best friend and about six years before he died, um, during really the
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first year at Fox, um, there was a family issue and, and, um, and I really didn't talk to my
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dad after that and any conversation that we did have, have was really surface.
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And, and strangely, Trump is, is part of my dad's death narrative.
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I was staying at the Trump tower in New York and, uh, and, uh, I had to leave quickly and
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Donald Trump called me and said, why, why did you, was there a problem with the hotel?
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And so I've just, I've, and we, for reasons I'm not going to get into now, we, we, we never
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Um, we've never had a memorial service and, and all the kids, we just kind of went on.
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And when John Huntsman died recently, uh, that really affected me.
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And part of that was, you know, he played kind of a father figure role in my life, uh, there
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And, you know, he was really the only reason why I called my dad toward the end.
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Even though it did, I tried not to let it end that way.
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I mean, you can't, you know, I was there for a lot of that and saw you going through it.
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It's the, you, I think did all you could do, right?
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I mean, you, you were doing things for the right reasons and that doesn't always, you
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know, I, I, you, you had those things where the last thing you relive the last interaction
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We've, I've had several relatives die, uh, you know, over the past, you know, years with
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my, both my grandparents, uh, three of my grandparents and, uh, my dad as well.
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Um, and you know, you go back to that and you think, you know, like with my grandmother,
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I remember I was, I meant to call her, you know, like I had, I had a call scheduled like
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in my head, like I got to call her this day and I didn't.
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Hey, I've been thinking about this for like three months.
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I got to call my aunt Joanne on my to-do list right now.
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I have three or four people that I haven't talked to in a while that I've been meeting
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And, but like at first it really bothered me because, you know, I went to go see her,
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uh, you know, she had, she was, you know, no longer communicating.
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Um, but I did get down there before she actually passed away, but I never talked to her again.
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It was like, ah, geez, you know, what was I doing?
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Some stupid monologue for this dumb show instead of talking to her.
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Uh, but you know, I was busy with work and I just didn't get to it.
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Um, and, um, uh, if for a while it really bothered me.
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And then I, I kind of come to the conclusion that that's, it's actually a really dumb way
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What you go through an entire life with someone talking to them, all these things.
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What was the, what was the breadth of that relationship?
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The last reaction, the last thing you do with that person is no more meaningful than the
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first thing you did or the thing in the middle.
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It's about what you did over the entire relationship.
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Could it be that I'm justifying that I feel bad about not calling her?
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But overall, I think it's an actually true, true point.
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We, as human beings, totally overemphasize that last thing.
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If you treated that person with respect and had a good relationship throughout your entire
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life, that last thing shouldn't bother you like that.
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So the, the last thing that my, uh, my sister, uh, remembers about my mom was that they had
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a fight and, uh, and that I blamed it on my sister, you know, I am 13 years old.
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I'm a kid and you know, they had a fight and the next day my mom is dead and you know, and
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I, I didn't even remember saying this to her, but I, uh, she reminded me years later, uh, you
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know, uh, he's pointed my finger to her and said, you know, if mom is, if there's a problem,
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And so she carried that around for years and I didn't even remember.
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It was just a moment of anger and a tough spot.
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And, and she carried that around as her last thing.
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And I, I, one of my last things with my mom was, uh, is I, it was a right around this
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And I, I remember walking by her, uh, and she had her hands in the sink and she was
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washing the pots and pans in the kitchen and we had a hallway right by the kitchen.
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We lived in this, like, it must've been like 900 square foot house.
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And we were, why I walked by her and I looked and I stopped.
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I mean, it was so, the prompting in me was so loud.
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I just, I actually stopped just past the door frame and, um, and I, I heard, stop, go
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And I thought, well, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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And I think like, it's okay to have a regret over something like that.
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It's okay to, but it's not, it's not, it shouldn't that, that's, that's me.
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That's not anything with her or anything, how she felt.
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And I think we tend to define our entire relationship with someone like that by that last moment.
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The last thing I did, oh, I should have called her.
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The last thing I did was have a fight with her.
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You know, you, you overwhelm the previous 30, 40 years of a relationship because you
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had one argument, you know, on one day and that happens to be the last thing.
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Like, that's not the way these things work, especially too as, you know, I think we all
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do this, but if you're a person of faith, you really know that's not how these things
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I mean, if you're listening right now, I mean, really take that to heart, especially
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I mean, the last thing I did was cut her head off and I mean, what about the rest of our
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Now I feel really bad because I'm in this, like, because you set me off and said it's
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first day of baseball, I started thinking about my dad and then, you know, and now, now that
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we've joked about OJ Simpson, you know, and his skills.
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Now I kind of feel like I want to tell you, remember the story that, that I told you about
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when I, when my dad and I won, I think it was a game six of the world series in 1975.
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I don't know if you, you don't need to talk about it.
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Cause it was a, but you just had a real moment talking about your dad.
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Cause the audience coming in at the top of the hour, they will not know.
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So you're going to screw with the other audience that didn't hear the other, they'll be sucked
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into this story and they'll never see it coming.
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So you're going to, you're telling people in advance that you're going to tell them a
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Cause the people who joined in the third hour, generally the people who are in the second
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hour, this hour smart, the people who join us in the third hour, not so much.
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No, I, I like the people in our two would tell them the truth.
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I don't know that that's a good broadcasting or business idea.
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Dave, my dad and I won game six of the world series.
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Memory lane, meaning you lied about the story previously as well.
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I'm not, I don't know what you're talking about.
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By the way, I saw a, uh, I saw a documentary last night.
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Um, and I want you to go and, uh, and go to, oh, you are film.org, our film.org.
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It's, it's, it's going to just come to you once they have everything all finished.
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They're just getting some of the rights and everything else, uh, buttoned up and it's going
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Finally, uh, this, uh, director, uh, Nick Nanton is, uh, he's won a whole bunch of Emmys and
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He's a great storyteller and he found a way to tell the story of slavery in a way that
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And they don't want to release it in theaters or anything else.
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Um, and they're not trying to make money on it.
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The amazing thing is, is they've, they've tested this online with people.
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Um, and they've, they've put it out, uh, to a test audience.
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That test audience made it go viral so quickly just within the test audience and their friends.
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It raised $3 million and it doesn't ask you for a donation.
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It's raised $3 million in three days from people watching the film and going, I have
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It's, it's like, it's such a tough topic to get through.
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I mean, you're, you know, yes, these stories end in a relatively happy way, right?
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Like these, you know, Oh, you are is going in there and they're actually saving people's
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lives and they're going to freedom and they're seeing their families again.
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So there's, there's a great ending, but like, it's tough to slog through the details.
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You will have so much hope all the way through this.
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I mean, it, they've, they've found the way to tell this story and really make it, um,
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And I promise you, you're going to send to a friend and say, you've got to watch this.
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You just register for it to come to you, uh, at Oh, you are film.org, our film.org sign
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It'll, it'll drop online in about eight to 10 weeks, but go to the website.
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You can get the trailer, pass it on to people and say, Hey, sign up for this.
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You know, if anybody's ever said, I don't know what I can do.
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When it drops, you spread it to everyone, you know, post it everywhere because this
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And unlike, uh, your baseball memories, it's actually not completely false.
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I don't know what you're, I don't know what you're trying to do.
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I don't, I don't know what you're trying to do.
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I'm a little, you're willing, I'm a little fresh meckled right now on, on, on, on the
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whole memory itself and whether I can muster the strength to get through that memory.
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It could fall apart at any, cause it's a very tender memory.
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The memories, you know, me, I'm a huge sports fan.
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So the memories of opening day of baseball, ah, smell of freshly cut grass and the cry out
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I just want to make sure you will know that the memories, right?
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I'm going to, I'm going to share a memory when we come back about the day my dad and I won
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I contend it was the summer that my dad and I won game six of the world series.
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You know, those kind of memories that you can, you can smell the memory.
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The way grass smells right after it's been cut in the summer.
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You can see the way the sun would shine and it would come through the living room window
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and bounce off the hardwood floor every morning.
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You slept with your window open and you could feel the cool breeze in the morning.
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Do you remember what it felt like every day running and playing, just being a kid?
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We crave it because it was, it was the most important time in our life.
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I don't know if it's like this for kids anymore, but it was in the summer that you became who you are.
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I would meet with Jim and Freddy and my best friend, Mike,
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along with seven or eight other interchangeable stragglers.
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And we'd make about a two-mile hike into a run-down field.
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It was right off of Main Street behind the hardware store.
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And none of us had a $200 aluminum bat or a case of brand-new baseballs.
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We had an old wooden bat that had been given to Freddy by his older brother.
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The grip was so worn that you were sure to go home with a splinter or two every single day.
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I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, so it was a little waterlogged.
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And we wouldn't stop for anything except for the trek over to the store on the corner
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where we would get a Coke or some bazooka bubble gum.
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And we'd all pretend we were in the major leagues.
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We'd stand there for hours with a stick in your hand,
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winning the game, the last game of the World Series.
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Because we'd rush through dinner and we'd clean our rooms
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don't sit so close, you're going to get eye cancer.
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But we were able to watch the first few innings of the game.
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because mom and dad were both sticklers for bedtime.
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We'd beg, we'd complain, we'd scream, we'd argue,
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and that would be the end of my baseball adventure