The Glenn Beck Program - First 2020 Presidential Debate： Special Coverage

00:00:00.000 Well, that was fun, wasn't it? I have a roundtable with Stu and Pat and Steve Dace, and we also are

00:00:08.720 going to have Dave Rubin checking in. Ali Stuckey is going to be checking in, a couple of other

00:00:13.300 people will get the opinions. Let me just start here. I thought this was evidence of a civil war

00:00:20.000 with a very uncivil debate. I don't think it served either buddy for a knockout. I thought

00:00:26.800 there were chances missed on Donald Trump's side. We'll get into. It was round after round

00:00:33.860 after round of mischaracterizations and out and out lies, I thought, from the left. Donald

00:00:39.760 Trump strangely seemed to have a grasp of the facts much more than he did four years ago.

00:00:47.280 I thought he had some really good moments, but I don't know if anybody is going to see

00:00:53.080 them or remember. The big thing that I took away from it is that Donald Trump spoke to

00:00:58.660 the American people, even though he wasn't looking into the camera, which Joe Biden was

00:01:02.520 doing. He was giving the message that I think is resonating with the people who are actually

00:01:07.500 watching my job. What's going to happen with my job? What's going to happen with the economy?

00:01:12.140 When am I going to stop wearing this stupid mask? When are we going to go back to normal? 1.00

00:01:15.220 That's what people are talking about. And I think Donald Trump reiterated that. And Joe Biden was

00:01:22.280 speaking about some sort of alternative America, some sort of alternative reality where Donald Trump

00:01:29.400 screwed up the economy and never really had a good economy. I don't think that that was connecting

00:01:38.120 with the American people. Donald Trump, it's really easy. I'm not for white supremacists. KKK,

00:01:45.380 terrorist group, I'm willing to do it. You just said that. I also said that with Antifa.

00:01:52.540 Now ask him if he'll do the same. He blew that. There was nothing solved. I don't think that the

00:01:59.440 American people were well served by this. I don't think that they were talking about anything that

00:02:05.980 people are actually going to vote on. Very few times that I go, yeah, okay, that's where people

00:02:12.480 are living. That's what people actually care about. The rest of it was, I thought it was just,

00:02:19.620 it was garbage and unlistenable. And Chris Wallace asked the questions that I would expect a mainstream 0.97

00:02:25.240 media personality to ask. He seemed to be playing referee for Joe Biden, who Joe Biden to me seemed

00:02:33.560 like my grandfather. He started out, you can hear he has no wind power. He's talking from here.

00:02:40.060 And he's historically, and he sounded bad. And as the night went on, he got weaker and weaker and weaker.

00:02:46.680 He didn't have any Metamucil moments, but I do think that he, he is certainly not the man that he was

00:02:54.360 even in the primary season. How is he going to last four more years? One last thing. It is absolutely

00:03:02.060 reprehensible that in this season, the moderator of this debate, when the major news came out about

00:03:12.620 Hillary Clinton and the entire Russia hoax, it is now verifiably a hoax. The news that came out last

00:03:22.640 late this afternoon, for that not to be even a question for Joe Biden is remarkable and reprehensible.

00:03:31.940 But nobody's going to know that because we're all watching our own sides and not listening to the

00:03:38.220 other side. So let me go to Stu. Just to add on to what you said, because I agree with that.

00:03:45.280 Um, I would say one of the biggest accomplishments of this administration was, I mean, if you go back

00:03:52.400 to 2016, we had, there was debate after debate. A big portion of it was about ISIS and how they had

00:03:58.260 a caliphate going. The fact that that's not even a topic of conversation and not just ISIS, the Middle

00:04:03.780 East peace. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is the biggest story in the

00:04:07.380 Middle East in the past, you know, 30 years. And you know, how Trump doesn't bring it up on his own

00:04:12.200 is one thing. The fact that there's not even one question about what happened there is really,

00:04:16.760 I think, a shame. I think people will remember this a lot because there's just a lot of chaos.

00:04:20.900 You know, there's a lot of them talking over each other. I think Joe Biden goes into this thing

00:04:24.120 and can't have a Metamucil moment, you know, a brain malfunction in the middle of it. I don't

00:04:29.580 think he had that moment. I think it seemed like the Trump approach there was to say,

00:04:35.560 let's get under his skin. We'll go after him early. We'll get him angry and he won't be able to

00:04:40.340 control himself. It seemed like Biden was prepared for that tactic at some level where he kind of

00:04:46.160 tried to force himself into this weird mellow state. I don't know. It was, it was a very strange

00:04:51.960 tone from Biden. I thought the whole time he never really emoted except for when he was talking about

00:04:58.620 his son, which seemed like a totally forced monologue. He said, shut up. Yeah. Yeah. He called 0.98

00:05:03.160 the president a clown. He did. Yep. And he called him a liar, a racist. Right. But I think that it was 0.98

00:05:09.120 all in that same, I don't know, that same speed, that same tone. I mean, he never emoted. It was

00:05:14.920 like, it was a very odd, like the sleepy Joe thing felt accurate watching him do that tonight. I don't

00:05:21.040 think there's a huge knockout blow for either side though. And I think, uh, you know, but from

00:05:24.640 Biden's perspective, considering all the help we'll get from the media, he's probably going to look at

00:05:28.700 that as not a, not a disaster. Steve Dace, his head is going to explode, but I'm going to ask you to

00:05:33.460 hold on for a few more minutes. Cause I want to get Pat's point of view on what you thought.

00:05:37.560 Uh, worst debate, maybe of all time. Uh, you got to blame the moderator, right? You got to blame

00:05:45.600 Chris Wallace because he's supposed to maintain control. He didn't. He didn't. How do you do

00:05:50.660 that when you have, it's very difficult between the two. It's really difficult. I had a real problem

00:05:55.620 with, with Chris Wallace when he said, keep it down. You promised you said you wouldn't do it.

00:06:01.040 Stop it. And Trump said, you mean that to both of us, right? Well, no, I mainly mean it to you.

00:06:06.200 Well, wait a minute. Hang on. They were both doing it. Biden did plenty of that. Yeah. If you

00:06:11.020 asked me who won the debate early on, I would have said Donald Trump. Me too. But later as the

00:06:17.360 debate wore on and chaos ensued, I'm not sure anybody won the debate, but I think Biden will

00:06:23.240 be declared the winner by the mainstream media. Of course they will. Um, I mean, we knew that before

00:06:27.520 the debate even happened. So there's no surprise. But I mean, they've got a legitimate case. He,

00:06:31.860 you know, I guess he interrupted less. Maybe. I don't know.

00:06:36.740 But what did he say? Very little. Very little that made sense. He did have a couple of almost

00:06:42.480 really serious Metamucil moments. Um, especially toward the end, he almost melted down, but he

00:06:47.720 somehow, I'm thinking drugs is the way he held onto it. Uh, but he did hold onto it. And I,

00:06:54.720 I think one of the reasons that they wanted the three breaks, was it three breaks in a half an

00:07:00.240 hour? No, in an hour and a half. Three breaks, but every half hour, every half hour. Yeah. So

00:07:05.400 six total, nine total. I thought it was one per half hour, but I could have one per half hour. So

00:07:11.580 it's three for the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Still. And I think that's because of the medication he's

00:07:16.280 taken. He probably was wearing the pens while he was standing there at the podium. I don't think

00:07:20.640 this is really, I think that, I think they needed him to rest because he, he lost energy. He started

00:07:27.580 out with very little and it just was almost gone halfway through. All right, Mr. Dace.

00:07:33.940 I feel like that Jonah Hill gif. Okay. Um, first thing we all need to do is pray to Allah that this

00:07:43.660 is our final boomer election. I think we can all agree on that. Yeah. Um, as far as,

00:07:50.520 as the rest of what transpired here, um, I think if the goal was to see if you could use the debate

00:07:59.100 process to lower voter turnout, I think this was a rousing success. I think if you are 150,000%

00:08:08.600 committed to voting for each of these men a few times, you love this. Okay. I think that if you

00:08:14.080 went into the clickiest clickbaity faction of each candidate and said, Hey, make sure you call him a 0.96

00:08:20.460 racist and a clown box, check, check, check, check. Okay. Uh, bring up Hunter Biden more often than you 0.97

00:08:26.860 bring up anything else that people care about. Check, check, check, check, check. Uh, and, and so a lot

00:08:32.020 of people that tuned in looking for a reason to vote for either one of these individuals that maybe

00:08:36.740 were undecided, I think are now would prefer to not have to decide. I think that this was there's

00:08:43.960 playing to the converted. And then there is whatever this was, um, the airing of grievances

00:08:48.560 sponsored by Festivus. I'm not exactly sure what it was, but I don't think that it advanced anybody's

00:08:54.240 cause. I think it simultaneously helped and hurt everybody all at the exact same time. And one of

00:08:59.540 the issues you had in Pat mentioned the problem with a moderator. Well, the problem of the moderator

00:09:03.820 is Chris Wallace asked every damn question from Joe Biden's premise. Sure did. And so when you do 0.98

00:09:08.400 that to Donald Trump, he is not George Bush or Mitt Romney. He is going to not accept your premise.

00:09:13.760 Now, the problem is the way that he communicates is thus, he won't accept your premise. He then

00:09:18.200 needs to take 15 to 20 seconds to tell you how great he is and how he's done whatever the issue is

00:09:22.300 better than anybody else. He then takes another minute to minute and a half, give you the correct

00:09:26.060 statistics often though in sort of an indecipherable context before he then hovers back around to what

00:09:31.760 the right answer is. But now we're into three and four minutes of a two minute answer, which gives

00:09:36.180 Chris Wallace the excuse to go in there and interrupt him because he's past his time. And we just did this

00:09:40.540 dance like the damn time work for an hour and a half. Meanwhile, it provided Joe Biden an opportunity 0.98

00:09:46.300 not to have to do very often what he was the most scared to do, talk. It provided him an opportunity to

00:09:53.120 sit there and be a spectator and just call Trump names whenever he wanted to, to not have to provide

00:09:58.700 any policy specifics at all. I thought the two most damning parts of the debate for Joe Biden

00:10:03.840 were when he couldn't name any law enforcement agency that was supporting him, when he refused

00:10:10.160 to answer the question on stacking of the court. See, that's what Trump should have done far more of

00:10:16.100 than defending and debating Chris Wallace. He should have forced Joe Biden to go on the record more

00:10:21.140 and he missed numerous opportunities to do that. I think that's what, that's why I think I felt

00:10:26.740 comfortable sort of with Trump at the very beginning because he was saying, no answer that.

00:10:32.680 Just tell me, just tell me if he would have just been doing that. Yes or no. Deny it or not. Deny it or

00:10:38.800 not. Deny it or not. It would have been much more powerful because you needed to put him on record.

00:10:45.000 I think he, he, he did have a plan because he was just doing body blows. I think he thought that

00:10:52.280 antagonizing Biden would get him off his game and make the senior moments happen. Yeah. The problem

00:10:57.580 is this is still an adult male. All right. If you followed Biden on the campaign trail,

00:11:03.280 the pugilism isn't his issue. He's a long time political combatant. You saw what he did to Paul

00:11:07.700 Ryan. You mentioned that earlier today when we were talking about this too, that actually woke Biden up.

00:11:12.820 All right. What Biden doesn't want to have to do is offer specifics on policy. One, he can't,

00:11:18.260 he just can't, he can't articulate it cogently. And then two, when he does, he's out, he's instantly

00:11:22.680 outside the mainstream of at least 51% of American voters. Or if he is in the mainstream, he's alienated

00:11:28.820 his real base. That's exactly right. Yeah. It's an unwinnable proposition for him. And he was let off

00:11:33.580 the hook because Trump made it more of a personality contest and less about issues. I think it would have

00:11:38.600 been helpful to have, to give Biden more rope to be able to hang himself with. Yeah. You said that

00:11:43.940 halfway through during the debate, you said, I'd let him give rope. And you're right. Yeah. You got

00:11:48.320 to get out of his way for him to have those moments, right? A lot of times I think, you know,

00:11:52.040 Trump a couple of times, I think he's used this tactic effectively. Biden would be trying to have

00:11:56.860 this moment to the camera, this big moment where he would have a soundbite that you could tell was

00:12:00.300 planned. And Trump would jump in over it, kind of ruining the soundbite. He did that a couple of times

00:12:04.860 effectively. But more often he interrupted moments that could have led to the Biden downfall. He kept

00:12:11.680 jumping in and then Biden could just stop. And of course, Biden comes, you know, gets into his

00:12:17.440 trouble when he keeps talking and tries to finish these sentences where he doesn't know where he's

00:12:20.960 going. So, so let me ask you this, because for me, the biggest thing was Biden seemed like the

00:12:28.420 Crypt Keeper to me. He seemed like somebody who hasn't really even lived in the last four years

00:12:36.180 and is all of a sudden showing up. And he's like, that's not the way it is. And you're like,

00:12:40.000 where have you been? What are you talking about? That's not the way. When he was talking about

00:12:44.200 Donald Trump and his, the COVID, the early COVID, everybody remembers, everybody remembers about

00:12:50.400 that. When he talks about, you know, I'm going to make, I'm going to make the economy greatest. He,

00:12:55.400 he shut it down. Everybody knows the truth of that. When, you know, we didn't have a good economy

00:13:00.800 under, under Donald Trump. Everybody remembers. Is, did that, is that going to play a role? It was

00:13:08.000 he, you know, there's one thing to say, yeah, you're lying about this. You know, the, the Hunter

00:13:14.300 Biden thing. That's not true. Yes, it is. And you can do fact checks all you want. But the fact

00:13:21.720 checks that I think matter are the ones that people watch and go, that's not right.

00:13:27.640 Of how we've lived our lives, what they witnessed. Do you think that's going to matter? Did that

00:13:31.840 bother anybody tonight with Joe Biden? I think, you know, one of the, when he was trying,

00:13:37.880 and he has this idea with the COVID situation where he wants to push, it's funny because you

00:13:42.540 know where Biden stood on every position. If you know where Trump stands, because he disagreed with

00:13:46.760 them every single time. So when Trump was saying, we're going to close down flights from China, of

00:13:51.240 course, it was xenophobic at that moment for Biden to do that. And, you know, it's just a matter of

00:13:56.400 like, this is the constant opposition. And I think people do remember those things. You know, look,

00:14:01.560 Biden was out there saying that, that, that we were just hating the Chinese for a very long time

00:14:08.380 at that, at that point. I don't know if, if, if any of that's going to, those moments where it's

00:14:13.020 obvious to the average person are the most effective ones. People are not going to, they're

00:14:16.600 going to go back and check your farm bill stats. That's not what happens. You know, the media likes

00:14:20.440 to, to, to toss those things around afterward. It's more about what, what hits people the wrong

00:14:24.860 way. Trump had a pretty effective part where he was talking about shutting down the economy. I

00:14:28.700 thought that was maybe one of his best answers of the night, where he really, he really laid that

00:14:32.580 out in a way. And I think that's important. Really? If people got that far, I thought there was a

00:14:37.440 couple, something else with COVID. Did anybody else feel that Donald Trump, now there were, there,

00:14:42.300 a lot of it was just chaos, but there were a few times where I went, that's presidential. That's

00:14:47.380 not the Donald Trump I saw four years ago. For instance, the COVID part where he was talking

00:14:52.520 about here are the stats and the companies, and he knew them all. You could tell he had been truly

00:14:58.460 engaged in that, um, and knew what he was talking about, which I hadn't, you don't see what Donald

00:15:03.540 Trump very often. And I think that made a huge, to me, if I was just somebody that didn't know what

00:15:11.200 was really going on, what he said, I believed what Joe Biden said was kind of like, well,

00:15:17.360 I don't even understand that. If, if I were on the Trump debate team and you guys weren't around

00:15:24.440 and we were talking privately, what I would be stressing is the opportunity costs that were

00:15:29.760 missed tonight. He let Biden get away with hammering him on preexisting conditions when he

00:15:34.880 actually just issued an executive order that frankly, a lot of conservatives like myself are not in

00:15:38.940 favor of telling you that you have to cover preexisting conditions. What happened at the

00:15:43.360 end of the debate with, uh, with white supremacy, uh, when he just issued an executive order less

00:15:48.560 than a week ago, that's, that was the worst. He just issued an executive order less than a week

00:15:52.920 ago calling that declaring the KKK, a white, I'm sorry, a domestic terrorist group. Do we happen to

00:15:58.380 have, do we happen to have that, uh, cut where he was talking? Cause I don't even know what he

00:16:03.880 said. The white supremacist, white supremacist cut. We did have a little glitch in the feed 0.99

00:16:08.780 around that time, but at least that's what I thought. Maybe he just, just, listen, if you

00:16:12.880 had the proud boys getting mentioned in tonight's presidential debate, bingo, dude, you're the one

00:16:17.340 in a million winner. I didn't think that was ever possible, but it occurred. You know, we were

00:16:21.260 complaining a little bit about Chris Wallace and I thought you got what you, what I expected out of

00:16:24.980 Chris Wallace, which there were, he did ask a couple of good questions, a lot of bad questions.

00:16:30.380 He was, you know, on the wrong side of a lot of that stuff, but the worst moment of the entire

00:16:34.080 thing from Wallace to me was when you're trying to get Donald Trump to denounce white supremacists

00:16:39.180 for the 9,000th time. And now why Donald Trump just didn't do it, I have no idea, but he has

00:16:45.400 done it a hundred times in the past. We've heard him all say it a hundred times. Joe Biden has

00:16:49.660 denounced Antifa zero times. He has never been asked about it. The fact that you would ask Donald

00:16:53.960 Trump to do something he's already done multiple times and not ask Donald Trump or Joe Biden to say,

00:17:00.640 hey, Antifa, how about the elements of Black Lives Matter that are advocating for the destruction of 0.96

00:17:07.100 the nuclear family? Will you denounce those things? And it's strange because he knows that.

00:17:12.180 I've heard him speak off the cuff about that. He knows that. And you're trying to say Trump knows

00:17:17.680 that. I'm criticizing Wallace on it, but you're right. Trump needs to bring that up. Trump should

00:17:21.040 have just said at that point, wait a minute, Antifa, are they peaceful or not? Do you approve of

00:17:28.060 them or not? You know, Black Lives Matter, the actual organization that wants to destroy the 1.00

00:17:33.860 family, you approve or not? If he would have stood and said, no, Chris, Chris, Chris, I want those

00:17:40.980 two questions. That's a reason to cause chaos and stop the debate. Chris, Chris, Chris, America wants 0.99

00:17:49.320 to know the answers to those two questions. I think what each of these candidates did is not make

00:17:54.800 this process accessible to people who were honestly trying and earnestly trying to make

00:17:59.560 up their minds. They made it about totally themselves. The other thing that was really

00:18:03.960 egregious was that Trump and Chris Wallace let Biden get away with not answering the will you

00:18:10.680 pack the court question? Yes. He should have been forced to answer that question. You're running for

00:18:17.220 president of the United States. We're supposed to be voting. He was saying that's going to make it the

00:18:21.740 issue or not the issue. What are you talking about? You don't get to define that. It's the damn

00:18:26.240 question. Right. We'll decide what's important. Oh, thank you. That's cut three. Play that, 1.00

00:18:30.760 please. Vote now. Make sure you, in fact, let people know you're a senator. I'm not going to answer

00:18:38.220 the question. Why would you answer that question? Because the question is, the question is, who is on your list,

00:18:46.120 Joe? Who's on your list? Gentlemen, I think we've ended this one. He's going to pack the court.

00:18:51.620 We're not going to give a list. We have ended this segment. We're going to move on to the second

00:18:55.000 segment. How did they bail out? All he says, all he should say there is yes or no, sir. It's a yes or

00:19:00.820 no question. It's a yes or no question. And he should have honestly done that with Donald Trump on the

00:19:06.160 KKK. It's yes or no. Are you for the KKK or do you denounce them? Of course I denounce them.

00:19:11.360 And he's done it a million times. I don't know why he hesitated there, but he has done that a

00:19:16.580 million times. We've all heard him say it. Think about the questions here we're talking about that

00:19:20.940 people didn't get answers to. How many justices on the Supreme Court does one of the presidential 0.98

00:19:25.880 nominees think we should have? Is white supremacy bad? Will you cover my preexisting conditions? But

00:19:32.460 everyone did find out how much money Hunter Biden made for Burisma. And I think this goes to something

00:19:38.360 that, you know, we were talking about this morning on your show. There is a disconnect. And I say this

00:19:43.600 working in conservative media, and I'm totally fine if Hunter Biden is guilty of everything that

00:19:48.220 people are accusing him of. You could put him in the basement of sing, sing, and we can never hear

00:19:52.120 him sing for the rest of his days. I'm totally okay with that. But that's a criminal prosecution,

00:19:56.580 not a presidential election. If I'm sitting there wondering, is my kid going to be able to stay in

00:20:01.500 school if there's four positive tests next week? And if he gets sent home, do I have to lose my job?

00:20:06.260 The things that people care about didn't get addressed. The things that the most fanatical

00:20:12.460 elements of each of our partisan medias get their jollies off of all got addressed. But the stuff

00:20:17.700 people care about never got addressed. So I would disagree somewhat in the fact that this goes to

00:20:26.380 how many Supreme Court justices? Is there a deep state? Is there justice in America? You prosecuted

00:20:34.480 and persecuted me. Today we find out that was hoax. And you knew it, and Brennan knew it,

00:20:40.100 everybody knew it. Comey knew it. We've got the documents. They came out today. So I've got to

00:20:45.920 know, you were the guy in the office that said it. Your son took three million dollars from the

00:20:52.680 mayor of Moscow. When are we going to have a conversation about that,

00:20:58.300 Joe? That's worth one question. I think there's a way you have to frame that, though, in a way

00:21:02.400 that makes voters care. Yeah. Are you guys, if I beat you guys again, are you going to try to do

00:21:07.620 another coup against the 60 plus million people that voted for me like you did for me four years ago?

00:21:12.640 See, there's difference. People want elections to be about them, not about the candidates. And both

00:21:18.280 these guys made it about themselves and not about the people that are actually watching.

00:21:21.800 So here is something that I think he tried to say, and he tried to cover that, but he didn't do it

00:21:27.200 well. When he said there is no peaceful transition of power. He's right. That means what you're saying

00:21:34.000 now is not a peaceful, and that is something everybody wants to know. Are you going to abide by the rules?

00:21:40.280 And the answer to that, if you would have said that, will you accept the election?

00:21:44.580 If everyone abides by the rules that we all know, sure I am. If somebody's breaking the rules,

00:21:51.360 no. Can I go back to the packing the court question real quickly? Because it was not just

00:21:57.320 packing the court, it was also the filibuster, right? And here's Joe Biden, who's in the Senate

00:22:00.540 for 127 years, a guy who was supposed to be- 185 by his own admissions team. I'm sorry.

00:22:06.360 It's supposed to be a guy who cares about the Senate rules, right? This was his blood,

00:22:09.560 right? He lived and died in the Senate. And he goes through this, and his answer to both of

00:22:14.720 those questions, packing the court and getting rid of the filibuster, was, I don't want to answer

00:22:18.560 that because whatever I say is going to become the issue. Well, it doesn't become an issue if you say

00:22:23.420 you're not going to do it. There you go. Right? So that was an answer. He is going to do it. The

00:22:28.940 American people should know that. And if there is one journalist left in America, they've got to get

00:22:35.700 him to answer that question. There's not. It's complete narrator. There's not one journalist

00:22:39.040 left in America. There's not. Let me go to Allie Stuckey, who was watching this. Were you at home

00:22:45.820 watching this, Allie? Yes, my husband and I were at home watching this. Well, some of it we were

00:22:51.660 actually watching. Some of the time we had to divert our eyes. Right. So tell me how it played to you and

00:22:58.720 how you think it's going to play to millennials and to women. My frustration at the beginning of

00:23:05.360 this, I was talking to a lot of my friends who consider themselves conservative, but mostly

00:23:10.300 apolitical. I was talking to the woman who followed me on Instagram. Our first frustration was with

00:23:15.900 Trump that he seemed to not let Biden dig his own grave and his consistent insistence upon the

00:23:23.700 bullying tactics. I didn't like that. But as the debate went on, my frustration grew with Chris

00:23:29.640 Wallace and it becoming this two-on-one debate to where Biden was never held against the wall for

00:23:35.540 the things that we are actually concerned with. I wanted to know his stance on the police and BLM

00:23:41.020 and critical race theory and law and order. I wanted to know his plan for the suburbs. I wanted to know

00:23:46.340 if he's going to be soft on China. And I didn't get the answer to any of those things.

00:23:49.960 Did you have a problem with Chris Wallace saying that these were civil rights education classes

00:23:55.880 when indeed they were classes on critical race theory, which is completely different?

00:24:02.120 Right. He said, what's wrong with racial sensitivity training? Well, critical race theory is not racial

00:24:07.180 sensitivity training. I thought Trump did really well in this, that this is a lesson to hate America.

00:24:11.920 And that's absolutely right. Chris Wallace has a lot to learn in this area. He probably didn't even

00:24:17.440 realize how much he showed his bias. But yeah, I did have a problem with it. It showed ignorance and

00:24:24.100 obviously just an antipathy towards the conservative stance on critical race theory.

00:24:31.080 Do millennials even watch this? 0.53

00:24:34.300 Well, my millennial friends did. I can't speak for all millennials, but millennials are getting up there

00:24:38.980 now. We're in our 30s and some of them are starting to get in their 40s. And so we've got kids,

00:24:43.100 we've got mortgages. We have to care about this kind of stuff. And do you think it changed anybody's

00:24:48.740 mind? It depends on if they watch the whole debate. I think if people in the middle trying to decide who

00:24:57.180 really care more about personality and individuals than they do care about politics or policies and

00:25:02.640 platforms, which is wrong, but some people do. If they just watch the 30 minutes, the first 30 minutes of

00:25:08.240 the debate, I think they go against Trump because they don't like his personality. But the whole

00:25:13.600 debate, I actually think that Trump ended up hearing a little bit better.

00:25:16.840 Do you think that Joe Biden looked like he was, you know, starting to be like my grandfather when he

00:25:23.860 was towards the end? I mean, it was sad. I thought he started winded and he just didn't look like the

00:25:31.000 Joe Biden, even of the last primary. I said to Stu halfway through, if this is how much he's lost in the

00:25:37.260 last, you know, nine months, what is he going to be like four years down the road? I mean, it's just

00:25:43.100 it's just not even I can't even comprehend that he would be the president in four years based on the

00:25:49.220 rapid growth or rapid decline. Did that come across to you at all or not?

00:25:56.280 Yeah, it did. And I think it would have come across more if he had been allowed to speak,

00:26:01.620 because what we saw is that he can't speak for longer than about, I would say, five to seven

00:26:06.080 seconds without losing his train of thought. And Chris Wallace having to step in and remind him

00:26:10.480 what he was talking about. This is true when he is in interviews as well. But Trump, being who he

00:26:15.700 is, and maybe some people think that this demonstrated strength somehow, I didn't. He would

00:26:20.280 insert himself into Biden's response when it would have been a lot better for us to see that weakness

00:26:26.060 on display and for Biden to dig his own grave by wandering off into these trails and talking about

00:26:31.560 nothing. So, yes, I did see that weakness. I saw that cognitive decline. I think Trump distracted

00:26:38.260 from that a little bit by being so bombastic. I wish we would have seen more of that from Biden.

00:26:44.460 Let me play a couple of clips and I'd like to get your thoughts first. I will play three clips,

00:26:49.480 get your thoughts first and then go to the table as well. Let me play cut 13, cut 14 and then cut six.

00:26:59.320 You get the final word. Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown. Excuse me, 0.99

00:27:04.820 this person. Hey, let me just take it. No, no, no. Okay. First, the clown. Next clip.

00:27:11.120 That's the end of the segment. We're moving on. He didn't take them. Vice President. No. Can I be

00:27:16.160 honest? It's a very important question. He stood up. He stood up. And he threatened Ukraine. No. Sir? 0.91

00:27:23.120 With it. Not true. You're doing it. You're going to have true. Gentlemen, flashbacks.

00:27:32.400 So I don't know if we even got there, but that's what Joe Biden said. Just shut up, man. And then 0.99

00:27:38.280 the last clip here, Donald Trump turning the tables and doing a bit of his own. He panicked or he just

00:27:44.440 looked at the stock market. One of the two, because guess what? A lot of people died and a lot more are

00:27:50.120 going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker. Mr. President. Did you use the word smart?

00:27:56.720 So you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college.

00:28:00.900 You didn't go to Delaware State. You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your

00:28:06.280 class. Don't ever use the word smart with me. Don't ever use that word. Oh, give me a break.

00:28:10.600 Because you know what? There's nothing smart about you, Joe. 47 years, you've done nothing.

00:28:14.500 Okay. Allie, he was called a clown. He was told to shut up. You would have never done that with any 0.98

00:28:25.420 president before. Now the left does it regularly. Does it matter anymore?

00:28:31.500 You know, I've always said you can't out Trump. Trump is like Teflon. You can sling the mud at him

00:28:37.840 and it will just slide right off. And when you see someone kind of going to the level that sometimes

00:28:43.060 Trump goes to with those kind of ad hominem attacks and telling people to be quiet and all

00:28:47.120 of that, it just makes you look weak. I mean, we saw that with Marco Rubio in 2016. It didn't work

00:28:53.280 for him. I don't think it's going to work for Joe Biden either. I just think it kind of looks

00:28:58.860 embarrassing. Trump somehow in his persona, he can kind of pull that off, whether people like it or

00:29:04.220 not. I don't think Joe Biden can. Like you said, it comes across as very slow and very weak and very

00:29:09.940 reaching. I just don't think it's an effective strategy for him. Steve, do you agree with that?

00:29:15.000 Wholeheartedly. I mean, it felt weird when Marco Rubio did it. It just felt like Joe lunchbox.

00:29:23.020 I think that there were times that Biden had very effective counterattacks where he seemed like

00:29:29.360 more of the adult in the room. But I think he diminished his own argument dropping, you know,

00:29:34.760 you're a racist, you're a clown. I mean, are you running for president of the United States or do 1.00

00:29:40.960 you want to take over the young Turks? Make a decision. You won't be able to do both. And I think 1.00

00:29:46.200 that they believe that the answer to defeating him is to get down and into the mud and the muck and

00:29:52.300 the mire with him. You actually need to come over the top as the adult in the room. And I think those

00:29:57.020 were strategic errors on Biden's part that took away opportunities he had to maybe have maybe more of a

00:30:04.000 legitimate or clear victory tonight. Ali, thank you very much for joining us. I appreciate your

00:30:08.960 perspective tonight. Anybody else on this topic before I move on? I mean, you know, look, if

00:30:14.680 the opponent is Donald Trump, it's hard to get too upset at someone using the word clown.

00:30:20.680 I mean, Donald Trump does things like this all the time. I don't think it helps Joe Biden,

00:30:24.940 though. I think you're totally right on that. And that's what they'll say about it. They'll say that

00:30:28.220 he doesn't deserve any respect because he gives nobody else any respect. And so that's what's going to

00:30:33.440 come of that. That's what they think on the Today Show or on MSNBC. But there's but I don't I don't

00:30:39.900 think that a lot of suburbanites think that way. And I think that they were actually looking to Joe

00:30:43.820 Biden to get to get beyond this stuff, not to not to indulge more of it. Right. And so I think he

00:30:50.420 disappointed a lot of people that could that came into this potentially looking for something positive

00:30:55.240 out of him by allowing himself to get relegated into into these back and forths. I want to get into

00:31:00.760 the Antifa and the Black Lives Matter stuff with Dave Rubin is going to be joining us in a few

00:31:04.780 minutes. But let me play cut 15. This is Trump. This is Biden saying that Trump has been disastrous

00:31:12.360 for blacks. Listen to this. This is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to 0.98

00:31:18.540 generate racist hatred, racist division. This is a man who, in fact, you talk about helping

00:31:24.280 African-Americans. One in 1000 African-Americans has been killed because of the corona of the

00:31:30.900 coronavirus. And if he doesn't do something quickly by the end of the year, one in 500 will have been

00:31:36.960 killed. One in 500 African-Americans. This man, this man is the as a savior of African-Americans.

00:31:44.040 This man cares at all. This man's done virtually nothing. Look, the fact is that you have to look at

00:31:51.160 what he's talks about. You have to look at what he did and what he did has been disastrous for the

00:31:56.700 African-American community. How's that going to play in the African-American community? I hope not 1.00

00:32:01.920 well. I think hopefully it'll play like if you don't vote for me, you ain't black played in the 0.99

00:32:08.280 African-American community. So really well, you know, and it would have been great if Trump would have

00:32:12.800 come back at him with I'm sorry, how many blacks have been aborted since 1973? Let me give you that

00:32:19.060 number. It's 16 million. I do care about the blacks being alive. I do care about black lives. Apparently 0.99

00:32:27.600 Democrats don't. You certainly don't, Joe, because there are 80 percent of Planned Parenthood abortion

00:32:35.800 clinics are located in minority areas. I mean, well, there's such an opening. So was this. But did he

00:32:42.060 did he take any advantage of that? Here's Trump's response. Cut 16.

00:32:49.860 You have treated the African-American population community, you have treated the black community 1.00

00:32:55.800 about as bad as anybody in this country. You did the 1990. And that's why if you look at the polls,

00:33:01.860 I'm doing better than any Republican has done in a long time because they saw what you did.

00:33:06.640 You call them super predators and you've called them worse than that.

00:33:12.120 He goes on to talk about the crime bill, et cetera, et cetera. Is that enough?

00:33:18.660 I mean, I don't think so. I mean, again, I guess we're Republicans are supposed to be against the

00:33:23.360 crime bill now while we're running a law. Maybe I'm alone. I think it's the last piece of really

00:33:28.100 good bipartisan legislation, frankly, in my lifetime. So there's a lot of good in that.

00:33:32.440 I'm an idiot. I'm a conservative. From the black perspective. Yeah. From the black perspective. 1.00

00:33:36.820 Yeah. The super predator thing. I remember being Hillary Clinton. Did she do this as well? 0.96

00:33:40.840 She did the super predator thing. I think they were all doing it.

00:33:42.680 They were all doing it. I mean, look, I think there's a, you know, Trump is using what he has,

00:33:47.860 right? You know, this is a controversial thing. The black community doesn't seem to like that bill

00:33:51.660 all that much. It's been something the left has been beating up on the right for, for a very long time.

00:33:57.780 And I've lost track at where we're supposed to be on this thing. I mean, to me, it looks like a pretty

00:34:01.940 good piece of legislation with some things that have been tweaked over the years that kind of fixed

00:34:06.320 it. But again, I, I don't think that that helps. I think a better, a better case is what Pat said.

00:34:12.500 I think a better case is as well is his economic record with African-Americans. You're looking at

00:34:17.860 these historic low unemployment rates, which Trump says really at every opportunity he has,

00:34:24.180 usually, I don't know why he didn't really get into that.

00:34:26.220 That's another opportunity cost that to me, that's the theme of the night. If you're pro-Trump,

00:34:30.300 I mean, a far better line of attack is to say, Joe, while you were presiding over the funeral

00:34:35.400 of the former grand wizard of the KKK, Robert Byrd, that you referred to at that funeral while

00:34:40.700 you were vice president as a friend, a guide and a mentor while you were doing that, I was cleaning

00:34:45.980 up your mess and we had the best and the lowest black unemployment rate since they started keeping 0.96

00:34:50.820 the stat. I'm not going to be lectured to about racism, uh, from somebody that did, uh, funerals

00:34:56.800 and eulogies for racist. Thank you. I yield the balance of my time.

00:35:00.160 Yeah. Uh, he's incapable of doing that, however. All right. If you're, uh, if you're watching us now

00:35:06.400 on YouTube, the blaze is a place to go for really the best conservative thought. Uh, and it's all over

00:35:13.140 the spectrum. We've had Ali Stuckey on, uh, Candace Owens. If you are a, uh, subscriber, you'll hear

00:35:18.680 Candace Owens' opinion on, on the debate. You'll, uh, you'll hear Stephen Crowder and all of,

00:35:25.380 uh, his, um, uh, opinions and also people who used to be on the left, but have found Jesus.

00:35:33.320 Uh, and, uh, and probably the biggest person to make that change was Dave Rubin. He's a member

00:35:39.820 of the blaze team, uh, as well. He's out in Los Angeles, Dave, thank you for joining us. Your thoughts

00:35:47.840 generally on the debate. Well, first off, it's good to be with you guys. That almost sounded like you had

00:35:54.800 to issue a trigger warning before you intro. No, not at all. I think the audience loves you,

00:35:59.860 loves you. You, you, you brought it around nicely. Um, well, I think the main takeaway,

00:36:04.660 and I suspect that you guys might've hit on this. I was doing a live stream on my channel,

00:36:08.680 which is why I'm joining a little late is that Biden did not implode. And the expectations I think

00:36:15.980 were so low for him. You know, there are so many clips of him losing his train of thought,

00:36:20.740 not knowing what he's saying, screwing up numbers, flat out lying in the rest of it.

00:36:24.400 And he didn't really have a terrible moment. I think Trump, Trump kind of went in hot where he

00:36:31.320 was really going after him, trying to knock him off his, off his pedestal. And it never fully

00:36:36.840 happened that, that being said, um, you know, the, the real issue here is that Biden knows

00:36:43.320 because of the cover that the media is going to run on him and run for him, that he can pretty much

00:36:48.620 lie about anything and get away with it in a way that Trump can't. So, you know, when,

00:36:52.720 when Biden said, the reason I got into this, uh, campaign was because of the very fine people

00:36:58.280 line in Charlottesville, it's like, that line is a lie. It's an absolute lie that I'm sure your

00:37:04.520 viewers know. And I'm sure you guys have talked about where right before Trump said there were

00:37:08.820 very fine people on both sides. And what he meant was very fine people of both sides

00:37:12.520 of the debate argument of the, uh, monument argument that the point is he said, I absolutely

00:37:18.880 condemn the KKK and the white supremacists and the rest of it. So, uh, Biden knows he can get away

00:37:24.200 with lies. I think, I think Trump's worst moment though, was partially because they were all talking

00:37:30.160 at once. But when, when Wallace asked him to condemn white supremacy, even though he's done this a

00:37:35.420 million times last week, he got flummoxed and he, it was almost because they were, there was a lot of

00:37:41.900 crosstalk, but he needed to put that down. He needed, he started saying it and then he stopped.

00:37:47.560 And, and I think that was really a bad moment. So I don't think there was really any clear cut

00:37:51.640 winner here. And as I said on my live stream, it's like, it's not whether the partisans think

00:37:56.520 that they're a guy one, that's not what matters because those people know what they're voting for

00:38:00.160 and who they're voting for. It's whether whatever that slice in the middle, and it's hard to figure

00:38:04.980 out how many people that actually encapsulates. It's like, did anyone watch this and say, okay,

00:38:10.180 I was truly moved to one of them. And I don't think we got that. Right. So do you think that

00:38:16.700 Biden, uh, did enough to hold his coalition together on the left? Will the left be upset with

00:38:24.380 him at all? Or did you see any movement on the left? Yeah. Well, look, Biden said he,

00:38:30.160 he wasn't for the green new deal. So now we got AOC is obviously going to be pissed at him.

00:38:35.180 He did kind of say he's for law and order. Trump was really trying to hit him on that.

00:38:40.640 So, you know, he did try to do what all candidates do, whether you're on the left or on the right.

00:38:46.380 Once you get through the primary, then you usually moderate back into something that feels a little

00:38:52.160 saner. I think the problem is, and I know Glenn, I was listening to you earlier today. You've been

00:38:56.840 talking about this for all. The problem is that the base is so crazy at the moment.

00:39:00.600 That it's like, can Biden be the one that stops that radical energy? I think the answer to that

00:39:07.600 is absolutely no. He did not falter tonight. Um, and I don't think it's like, I don't think he did

00:39:12.600 anything that the base is going to absolutely try to take him out. Um, but at the same time, Trump

00:39:19.040 didn't have a real knockout moment. And I think a lot of the real Trump people and people on the right

00:39:24.780 thought, Oh, this is going to be a cakewalk. And that's the problem. When you go in thinking, Oh,

00:39:28.800 we're going to win this thing for sure. If you don't win, it kind of feels like,

00:39:32.740 like almost like you lost. Let me play cut 18. Listen to this. This is Biden and Trump sparring

00:39:37.520 over Antifa. Watch Antifa is an idea, not an organization. You got it. Not malicious.

00:39:46.400 That's what his FBI, his FBI director said.

00:39:50.940 Well, then you know what? We're done, sir. We're moving on to the next. We're moving on to the

00:39:53.960 next. That's not an idea. Everybody in your administration tells you the truth is a bad,

00:40:00.260 is a bad. You have no idea. Is there anybody, is there any winner on that one?

00:40:05.240 So that was a good moment for Trump because anyone that has, has a flicker of, of a free

00:40:18.000 thought in their head, they know what's going on in the streets of Portland and New York city and

00:40:22.800 Seattle and Minneapolis and the rest of it. And it's Antifa violence. They're not telling you it's

00:40:28.100 not them. They're telling you it is them and that they are a radical Marxist organization and that

00:40:33.100 they're here basically to, to take down the patriarchy and end capitalism and the rest of

00:40:38.060 it. Uh, I've done a ton of college speaking events that Antifa shows up and protests violently and

00:40:44.080 calls fire alarms and the rest of it. So that's not an idea. If it was an idea, I would go to an

00:40:48.740 event and speak freely and, and I'd go, Oh, well, there are these people called Antifa and they don't

00:40:53.200 like me. Uh, but no, I've seen real violence. So, so what the, the real question though is, is why is

00:40:59.300 Biden so, uh, trigger happy basically to say that they're not an organization? And that gets to the

00:41:05.760 fact that the base is radical. So I think the average person, when they see things burn and then

00:41:11.560 they, they can associate that with Antifa, I think that was, that was a winning moment for Trump.

00:41:16.040 And I think the critical race theory thing was, was a winning moment for Trump also.

00:41:19.740 I think the, uh, the, the other piece of that was the Portland when he asked, why have you called

00:41:27.220 them? Have you called the mayor? Have you called the governor? That was a good question from Wallace,

00:41:30.680 I thought. Yeah. And, uh, and when, uh, when he, uh, said that it's only, the only trouble comes is

00:41:38.180 when they do come in, that's complete hogwash. And I think everybody felt that, um, any minds change,

00:41:44.960 Dave, any last thoughts? I don't think, as I said before, whoever that sliver is, 1.00

00:41:50.960 and we just don't know what that number of people is. It's hard to imagine that anyone watched tonight

00:41:55.480 and really said, wow, Trump just, just wowed me or Biden wowed me. Uh, I, I don't think anyone was

00:42:02.460 really moved, but look, that's why they do three debates. That's why we do a vice presidential debate.

00:42:06.720 That's why we got five weeks left on this thing. I think they'll go both go back in. And I think

00:42:11.660 Trump's people will say, you know, maybe it's better to just calm down a little bit. You don't

00:42:15.760 have to be so aggressive. And Biden's people, I think the fact that he didn't implode, I think

00:42:20.640 they're going to be pretty, pretty pleased with that, but he will have to go in and talk to the

00:42:25.460 radicals and basically be like, Bernie, did I give you enough there? Because he can't lose that base.

00:42:30.820 And as, as you said this morning, it's like, if he's the Trojan horse, he owes these guys. And, uh,

00:42:36.420 that's what he has to watch out for. Dave Rubin. Thank you very much. If you want to see Dave,

00:42:40.240 you can, um, you can check him out on the blaze, just use, uh, the promo code debate and, uh, you'll

00:42:46.620 be able to get him on demand. Um, and of course at, uh, at, uh, all the, uh, other places where Dave

00:42:54.080 Rubin is available. He's like, I mean, he's like McDonald's everywhere. He's everywhere.

00:42:57.700 He's like McDonald's. Thanks a lot, Dave Rubin. I appreciate it. Okay. Um, to close up,

00:43:04.520 I guess we look to the future. Um, I don't have that pit in my stomach that I had all day

00:43:11.140 because it's over. Um, but my fear was that it would be over tonight. I don't think anything

00:43:19.640 happened, um, that is going to change anybody's mind. Um, I think if we had real journalists,

00:43:27.880 they might be able to find some things in here that, uh, Joe Biden said that were not accurate,

00:43:34.900 uh, and would lead you to understand he is the radical that he is. Uh, but we don't really have,

00:43:42.520 uh, great journalists, uh, anymore, uh, except I hope, uh, the people that work at the blaze that

00:43:49.520 classify themselves as journalists. We are all talking heads and not journalists. Um, join us at the

00:43:55.940 blaze. We have the next debate is next Thursday, Wednesday, next Wednesday. And it's a vice presidential

00:44:02.300 debate, uh, which, uh, will be very interesting. Mike Pence, uh, will take on Kamala Harris and Mike

00:44:10.180 is really, really good. Your thoughts on that pairing. Electric. Yeah. Um, I don't know. Mike Pence

00:44:21.420 will have a very foreign Lauren look on his face a lot. Uh, and Kamala Harris will, um, say or do

00:44:28.540 whatever advances Kamala Harris. I mean, she's, uh, amoeba like. I mean, Mike Pence was a talk show

00:44:36.720 host. Uh, he knows, he knows how to communicate with people. I, I think, you know, at one point he

00:44:42.840 was really good at doing that and then he just kind of went away. He sort of disappeared. Um, and then

00:44:48.620 came back on the scene, of course, uh, uh, recently, but there was a time when he was really good at

00:44:54.880 this stuff. He might be, he might surprise us. He, he, he, he, right now he needs to look, he needs

00:44:59.440 to be less of politician. Yeah. Every time I see Mike Pence, he is a very schooled politician and

00:45:05.040 that's not what people want right now. He'll do fine. I mean, he'll bore people to death a little

00:45:08.920 bit, but he'll, he'll do fine in this, you know, this election will not turn on the vice presidential

00:45:14.120 debate. It will have, I don't think it can have a very large impact, but I do think, uh, Pence will

00:45:20.020 do well. He'll hold his own. He, he won't, he won't get knocked around by Harris. I think he'll do,

00:45:23.460 he'll do a good, a pretty good job. There's just only so much. This matters. Does anything,

00:45:28.560 does it mean anything of real substance that no one is going to be talking about the Hillary Clinton

00:45:36.300 thing tomorrow? Uh, yeah, I think that, I think it does. I mean, I think it's interesting because

00:45:47.100 it was released when it was coming out into the news cycle today, you'd think these things just

00:45:51.640 like the New York times tax report, right? It's, it's designed to become part of the debate,

00:45:56.360 right? And it didn't. So it's hard to imagine that it's going to have a big impact as of tomorrow.

00:46:03.360 I mean, I think goodness Trump's taxes did though. I'm glad they sneaked that right on in.

00:46:07.840 Yeah. That was the first thing people don't care about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know,

00:46:11.760 he is president. They have, he has an attorney general department of justice. You want to move

00:46:17.120 this story along, call Hillary Clinton in front of a federal grand jury. Yeah. That'll move this 1.00

00:46:20.920 story. There'd be some coverage on that. Yeah. Okay. Um, we'll be back early tomorrow. Pat starts,

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 30, 2020

First 2020 Presidential Debate： Special Coverage

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