The Glenn Beck Program - Former Gov't UFO Hunter： Evidence We Are NOT Alone ｜ Luis Elizondo ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:00:34.200 From the dawn of time, there have been two main questions that have dominated the minds of all humanity.

00:00:40.920 Is there a God? And what happens when we die?

00:00:45.040 By the 15 and 1600s, the arrival of the Renaissance, a third question began to pop up.

00:00:51.720 A man named Nicholas Copernicus.

00:00:54.740 He theorized that it was the sun and not the earth that was the center of the universe.

00:01:01.200 If we were just some other rock revolving around the sun and the rest of the rocks around an energy source,

00:01:11.200 wait, are we the only ones out here?

00:01:14.480 Three questions became, is there a God?

00:01:18.940 What happens when we die?

00:01:20.580 And are we alone in the universe?

00:01:23.780 Now, we can answer the first two, at least for me.

00:01:27.420 But I don't know on the third one.

00:01:31.820 I mean, I think I know what I believe, but I don't know who to believe on this.

00:01:38.540 Alien and UFO enthusiasts in the modern era have been searching for that answer for decades.

00:01:44.260 Two big years stand out for me.

00:01:45.880 One is 1947 with Roswell, and the other one is 2017, when an article popped up in the New York Times

00:01:52.160 that showed detailed footage of what appears to be a UFO taken from a U.S. Navy pilot.

00:01:59.940 We've talked about this several times on the podcast,

00:02:03.020 but my guest today is the reason why this footage was viewed by millions the world over.

00:02:09.120 We all wondered for decades, is our government looking into UFOs?

00:02:13.940 Are they hiding it?

00:02:14.960 Well, you're about to hear from a man who directed one of those programs

00:02:19.900 for the Department of Defense at the Pentagon.

00:02:22.980 He says he knows all the details about what was written by the New York Times in 2017.

00:02:28.780 He also claims to know what really happened in Roswell back in 1947.

00:02:34.500 He talks about it all in his new book,

00:02:37.100 Imminent, Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs.

00:02:41.820 Are we alone in the universe?

00:02:44.960 Get ready for some strange encounters with Lou Elizondo.

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00:04:20.700 Lou, great to see you again.

00:04:30.520 How are you?

00:04:31.740 It is always an honor and privilege to be with you.

00:04:34.280 Thank you very much, Glenn.

00:04:35.340 How are you?

00:04:35.740 I'm doing great.

00:04:37.020 I'm doing great.

00:04:38.360 I have to tell you,

00:04:39.920 I'm listening to your book on audio,

00:04:42.780 and it is,

00:04:44.460 I mean, I don't even know what to think.

00:04:47.060 I really, it is so crazy.

00:04:49.540 You go into some crazy stuff.

00:04:52.340 Let me just,

00:04:53.380 let me start here at,

00:04:54.900 I think,

00:04:55.200 the basic question that everybody would want to know.

00:04:57.900 There was a movie in 2018 called UFO,

00:05:00.180 and at the end of the movie,

00:05:02.620 there was an FBI agent who asked the main star,

00:05:05.660 do you know what this means?

00:05:07.540 And the star,

00:05:08.420 after a dramatic effect,

00:05:09.620 he says,

00:05:10.480 it means we're not alone in the universe.

00:05:14.580 So are we alone?

00:05:17.480 Well,

00:05:17.960 no,

00:05:19.000 we're,

00:05:19.300 we're not alone.

00:05:20.600 And first of all,

00:05:21.340 let me apologize.

00:05:21.920 If you're listening to my audio book,

00:05:23.320 I have the silky smooth voice of a cement truck in high gear going down a mountain.

00:05:28.260 You were great.

00:05:29.220 So I'm sorry.

00:05:30.800 I thought you were really good at it.

00:05:32.780 I thought it was really good.

00:05:34.560 So I appreciate it.

00:05:35.740 I,

00:05:35.960 you know,

00:05:36.760 unfortunately I'm not,

00:05:37.940 I'm not a voice actor.

00:05:39.360 So what you see and sometimes what you hear is what you get.

00:05:43.280 Yeah.

00:05:43.680 Yeah.

00:05:43.960 I mean,

00:05:44.480 this,

00:05:45.320 this,

00:05:46.280 I wrote this book for,

00:05:48.940 for one very specific reason.

00:05:50.520 Um,

00:05:51.000 and I explained to folks years ago,

00:05:52.900 I knew this was going to be a very lengthy process.

00:05:55.520 Uh,

00:05:55.960 and I knew it'd have to go through the Pentagon for security review.

00:05:59.800 Um,

00:06:00.500 you know,

00:06:01.820 when you write something,

00:06:03.020 it's,

00:06:03.520 it becomes indelible.

00:06:04.840 Um,

00:06:05.720 there are reasons why the spoken word and the written word,

00:06:10.180 um,

00:06:10.620 are treated slightly different.

00:06:12.120 Um,

00:06:12.620 over,

00:06:12.920 you know,

00:06:13.060 an interview like this is great,

00:06:14.260 but over time,

00:06:15.360 these things kind of get hidden into the ethernet and bits and ones and zeros.

00:06:19.160 Uh,

00:06:19.600 whereas spoken word is indelible.

00:06:21.280 It's forever.

00:06:21.820 It outlives the individual for,

00:06:24.120 for a long time.

00:06:25.200 And it's the reason why,

00:06:26.700 you know,

00:06:27.260 for example,

00:06:28.240 Egypt wrote,

00:06:29.080 uh,

00:06:29.280 the book of the dead on papyrus,

00:06:30.620 right.

00:06:30.920 And why the Magna Carta was written on parchment because it serves as a written

00:06:34.560 record and hopefully will outlive me.

00:06:36.860 But more importantly,

00:06:38.260 this book went through the Pentagon for security review.

00:06:41.000 And that's important because this is not just words I put on paper.

00:06:45.480 Um,

00:06:45.920 it was my experience and the experience of other people that I was with.

00:06:49.200 And it turns out that the government for a very long time has had UFO

00:06:52.440 programs,

00:06:53.360 uh,

00:06:53.840 plural.

00:06:54.800 And,

00:06:55.340 uh,

00:06:55.520 and what they found in some cases was,

00:06:57.660 was astonishing.

00:06:58.680 Um,

00:06:58.920 and yeah,

00:06:59.240 I know how people are probably taking this and they're probably like,

00:07:01.740 well,

00:07:02.640 what do you mean?

00:07:03.200 And how do we know?

00:07:04.260 And,

00:07:04.460 and as a government said anything and,

00:07:06.120 you know,

00:07:06.240 all that kind of stuff.

00:07:08.040 So Lou,

00:07:08.780 you know,

00:07:09.520 right now there are people who are saying we never went to the moon.

00:07:13.340 Uh,

00:07:13.860 you know,

00:07:14.120 I've talked to the astronauts that have walked on the moon.

00:07:16.860 I am convinced we went to the moon.

00:07:20.700 Um,

00:07:21.140 you know,

00:07:21.640 it's screwed a lot of them up because it was the greatest thing.

00:07:25.460 If you've ever talked to Buzz Aldrin,

00:07:27.420 uh,

00:07:28.080 he got lost when he came back from the moon,

00:07:31.180 uh,

00:07:31.640 cause there was nothing greater that he could do than that.

00:07:34.700 Um,

00:07:35.240 but you know,

00:07:36.280 you,

00:07:36.540 when you,

00:07:37.580 when you're talking about UFOs or,

00:07:40.400 um,

00:07:41.780 what are they called now?

00:07:42.800 Um,

00:07:43.200 UAPs.

00:07:44.220 Yeah.

00:07:44.660 Yeah.

00:07:45.120 When you're talking about UAPs,

00:07:47.140 um,

00:07:47.740 we have no reference at all.

00:07:50.020 That is trustworthy.

00:07:51.580 I mean,

00:07:52.340 you know,

00:07:52.980 let me go back to the movies.

00:07:54.760 Um,

00:07:55.440 mirage men.

00:07:56.400 I don't know if you've seen that,

00:07:57.640 but,

00:07:58.560 uh,

00:07:59.100 it's a documentary.

00:08:00.280 It's,

00:08:00.960 it's,

00:08:01.380 uh,

00:08:01.680 told of an air force OSI,

00:08:04.360 um,

00:08:05.080 you know,

00:08:05.440 a,

00:08:05.660 a special investigations agent.

00:08:07.520 And his operation was to deceive UFO enthusiasts.

00:08:13.600 Um,

00:08:14.200 and one of his targets was driven clinically insane because his job was to make people think that UFOs were real to cover up government stuff.

00:08:25.920 And we're living in a time where nobody trusts anything that comes from the government.

00:08:32.560 Nobody trusts anybody who's been in intelligence anymore, unfortunately.

00:08:37.820 Um,

00:08:38.520 so,

00:08:39.080 so how do we,

00:08:40.740 how are we to gauge what's real and what's not?

00:08:45.540 Yeah,

00:08:45.760 I,

00:08:46.040 I think you,

00:08:47.180 that's a great question,

00:08:48.540 Glenn,

00:08:48.820 because we have to always remain critical of our information sources.

00:08:53.720 And,

00:08:54.280 and unfortunately as a society,

00:08:55.520 we've become very lazy over the last several decades.

00:08:58.100 Uh,

00:08:58.460 and we're used to having information spoon fed to us and no longer is it even just information,

00:09:04.580 but we want,

00:09:05.980 uh,

00:09:06.380 you know,

00:09:06.620 the old Burger King saying,

00:09:07.680 we want it,

00:09:08.220 uh,

00:09:08.420 our way and we want it now.

00:09:09.500 Right.

00:09:09.980 Um,

00:09:10.440 and if you can,

00:09:11.740 if you can crunch in,

00:09:13.520 if you can compress in a five minute snippet,

00:09:16.000 a narrative that not only tells you what I think I need to know,

00:09:18.360 but maybe even how I should feel about it.

00:09:20.600 Um,

00:09:20.840 that's what has happened,

00:09:22.160 unfortunately with information these days.

00:09:23.720 And you're right.

00:09:24.200 You know,

00:09:24.380 the government has a long history and the Pentagon has a long history of lying and deceiving

00:09:28.620 people.

00:09:29.160 One could look very simply at things like Iran Contra and the Pentagon papers and the,

00:09:33.080 the Afghanistan withdrawal recently,

00:09:34.780 right?

00:09:35.080 Where we say one narrative and then it turns out to be the exact opposite only after they've

00:09:40.720 been exposed for that.

00:09:42.000 And I think that look,

00:09:43.280 so back to your question,

00:09:44.680 you know,

00:09:44.940 how do we know it's real?

00:09:45.980 Well,

00:09:46.660 I think when you start looking at the historical records that are out there and there are historical

00:09:50.920 records,

00:09:51.320 government sourced information and intelligence reports that have been released by the government

00:09:56.720 through the FOIA process.

00:09:58.200 When you start looking at some of these UAP reports going back in some cases to the 1950s

00:10:04.140 and early 1950s,

00:10:06.320 this paints a very compelling picture that what we're dealing with is something very real.

00:10:10.480 Um,

00:10:10.540 this is before really even the height of the cold war.

00:10:13.180 This is before we had just entered the atomic age.

00:10:15.440 We had barely broken the sound barrier.

00:10:17.240 We did not have a sophisticated propaganda,

00:10:20.200 propaganda machine in full swing until a little bit later.

00:10:24.200 So when you have these reports of these UAP over our national laboratories,

00:10:29.120 they are,

00:10:30.000 there's radar data on these things.

00:10:31.800 There's eyewitness testimony.

00:10:33.340 And in some cases,

00:10:34.840 even footage,

00:10:35.860 film footage,

00:10:36.500 um,

00:10:37.280 that's a little bit different,

00:10:38.400 right?

00:10:38.720 Than just someone saying,

00:10:40.360 Hey,

00:10:40.580 trust me,

00:10:41.080 bro,

00:10:41.540 there's,

00:10:41.980 there's UFOs out there.

00:10:44.200 Um,

00:10:44.720 and then you have,

00:10:45.800 go ahead.

00:10:47.240 No,

00:10:47.400 no,

00:10:47.620 please finish.

00:10:49.200 No,

00:10:49.600 no,

00:10:49.700 that's it.

00:10:50.020 So there's,

00:10:50.540 there's,

00:10:50.940 it's,

00:10:51.220 it's not just now people are looking to the media now and saying,

00:10:55.040 Oh,

00:10:55.140 wow,

00:10:55.340 this is,

00:10:55.760 you know,

00:10:56.000 all this has occurred in just the last seven years.

00:10:58.280 It really hasn't.

00:10:59.240 The government has had a long vested interest in this topic for a very long time for very

00:11:03.280 reasons.

00:11:04.000 And it's not just our government.

00:11:05.400 It's there's other governments,

00:11:06.320 Russia,

00:11:06.640 China,

00:11:07.080 other governments that are very interested in this topic as well.

00:11:09.860 And have been for a long time.

00:11:12.600 So when you were brought into your first meeting,

00:11:15.200 where you thought,

00:11:16.740 holy cow,

00:11:18.820 there could be some truth to this.

00:11:20.160 Cause you,

00:11:20.840 you hired skeptics.

00:11:22.320 You were a skeptic.

00:11:23.580 You weren't,

00:11:24.380 you know,

00:11:24.660 you're not out with a,

00:11:25.740 you know,

00:11:26.040 running,

00:11:26.580 chasing for aliens all the time.

00:11:28.660 You didn't even think about them when you were first asked.

00:11:32.120 Correct.

00:11:33.020 So what,

00:11:33.680 what was the first briefing that you had where you thought,

00:11:37.520 holy cow,

00:11:39.920 this might be real.

00:11:42.780 Well,

00:11:43.340 you know,

00:11:43.960 for there's two,

00:11:45.580 there's two ways people usually in my experience kind of absorb this information.

00:11:49.320 The first one is this almost it's epiphany,

00:11:52.380 this revelation where it's this aha moment where people go,

00:11:55.620 oh my gosh,

00:11:56.100 it's real.

00:11:56.880 And then for others,

00:11:58.020 probably in my case where it's more of a slow,

00:12:01.160 steady,

00:12:01.580 gradual realization.

00:12:02.600 I was never prone to,

00:12:04.860 as a kid,

00:12:05.400 a science fiction buff.

00:12:07.160 You know,

00:12:07.360 my,

00:12:07.660 my background in college was,

00:12:08.920 was science,

00:12:10.100 microbiology and immunology.

00:12:11.660 So I'm a disciple of the scientific method,

00:12:14.140 methodology and principles.

00:12:15.960 Yeah.

00:12:16.160 And then later as a,

00:12:17.580 as a special agent,

00:12:18.760 you know,

00:12:19.100 I always consider myself just the facts,

00:12:21.040 ma'am kind of guy.

00:12:22.580 But it comes to a point where you start getting information and evidence.

00:12:25.980 That's so overwhelming.

00:12:27.020 And let me caveat,

00:12:28.140 we're talking military sources,

00:12:29.340 right?

00:12:29.580 We're not talking about grandma seeing some lights,

00:12:32.180 you know,

00:12:32.600 in the backyard.

00:12:33.180 We're talking about very sophisticated military equipment.

00:12:37.920 In some cases,

00:12:38.820 some of the most premier aircraft on the planet with the most premier sensor

00:12:42.580 systems on board.

00:12:44.300 So you have fighter pilots,

00:12:46.220 top gun fighter pilots,

00:12:47.380 pilots that can identify the difference between an SU-22,

00:12:51.520 a MiG-25 and an F-16 from 10 miles away and recognize immediately friend or

00:12:56.100 foe,

00:12:56.400 right?

00:12:56.560 Do I shoot it or do I save it?

00:12:58.700 On top of that,

00:12:59.640 that,

00:12:59.980 those observations are being backed up.

00:13:01.980 They're being validated by electro-optical data,

00:13:04.200 gun camera footage,

00:13:05.460 FLIR footage,

00:13:06.200 right?

00:13:06.860 And then on top of that,

00:13:08.340 that data is being backed up by radar data,

00:13:10.940 right?

00:13:11.140 So whether it's airborne radar,

00:13:13.120 like the E-2 Hawkeye or the spy one radar on board a Ticonderoga class ship,

00:13:19.880 these are some of the most premier sensor suites on the planet.

00:13:24.060 And there's other capabilities,

00:13:25.440 which I can't talk about because they get kind of sensitive.

00:13:27.420 But so,

00:13:28.400 so it's not just one source of information.

00:13:30.320 You have eyewitnesses,

00:13:32.480 you've got gun camera footage and radar data,

00:13:34.600 all saying the same thing at the same time,

00:13:37.180 at the same place under the same circumstances,

00:13:39.140 right?

00:13:39.680 So now let's put that on a backdrop of,

00:13:41.580 with my background as a,

00:13:42.560 as a former special agent,

00:13:44.360 you know,

00:13:44.640 if you were to go to trial,

00:13:46.160 you're well beyond reasonable doubt right now.

00:13:48.440 You know,

00:13:48.700 this isn't just eyewitness testimony.

00:13:50.660 This is data sensor information that we're getting that allows us to

00:13:55.720 prosecute and win wars.

00:13:57.200 Right.

00:13:57.500 And so I think that's,

00:13:59.660 what's important for me.

00:14:00.700 That is where,

00:14:01.520 that is when I began to realize,

00:14:03.760 I mean,

00:14:03.960 I heard a lot of interesting stories,

00:14:05.760 general Uchoa,

00:14:06.540 for example,

00:14:07.100 from Brazil,

00:14:07.680 when they ran their investigation in Coladas,

00:14:09.880 Brazil,

00:14:10.400 very compelling.

00:14:11.560 But at the end of the day,

00:14:12.420 I wasn't there.

00:14:13.260 I didn't see it.

00:14:14.140 Right.

00:14:15.160 But when you have the data and you are in the office,

00:14:17.760 you're in a skiff and you have the,

00:14:19.420 the,

00:14:19.680 the videos coming in,

00:14:20.860 the classified videos,

00:14:21.760 and you're looking at them from all the various platforms that,

00:14:24.480 that get becomes very compelling.

00:14:26.160 So can you talk about what you can talk about?

00:14:29.040 Cause you,

00:14:29.740 in your book,

00:14:30.280 you,

00:14:30.680 you talk about Colaras Brazil and you were in a briefing with a

00:14:35.620 Brazilian air force general.

00:14:38.740 Can you talk about that and what you heard in the briefing?

00:14:43.700 That is not a top secret.

00:14:47.200 Sure.

00:14:47.480 And it's been substantiated by the way,

00:14:49.680 by other military members of the Brazilian military.

00:14:52.760 So this was a,

00:14:54.160 this was an event that occurred over several days in a place called Coladas,

00:14:59.100 Brazil.

00:15:00.200 There were some locals that were reporting being intimidated.

00:15:04.520 And in some cases injured by,

00:15:07.280 by these strange things in the sky.

00:15:09.440 We call them of course,

00:15:10.720 UAP or in the vernacular UFOs.

00:15:12.780 And as fantastical as that may sound,

00:15:15.660 the government of Brazil launched a full field investigation into this.

00:15:19.860 And it turned out that when they went down with their military personnel led by

00:15:23.320 general Uchoa at the time,

00:15:24.860 they had sustained injuries and they witnessed firsthand,

00:15:30.120 according to them,

00:15:31.120 these UAP interfering with the local village,

00:15:34.780 in some cases,

00:15:35.740 injuring individuals,

00:15:37.100 and even some,

00:15:38.260 some Brazilian military members being injured as well.

00:15:41.580 So,

00:15:42.260 how do you mean,

00:15:43.740 can you describe the injury?

00:15:45.860 What,

00:15:46.040 what kind of injuries are we talking about?

00:15:48.400 Sure.

00:15:48.980 Well,

00:15:49.340 some show signs where a lot of significant blood,

00:15:52.720 blood loss,

00:15:53.460 others showed what appeared to be some sort of directed energy type injury,

00:15:57.280 maybe significant with,

00:15:59.500 you know,

00:15:59.900 something I would,

00:16:00.380 I would say probably is that's significantly similar to what you might expect

00:16:04.220 from microwave energy exposure.

00:16:06.840 Some had redness of the skin.

00:16:08.640 There's a full morphology on,

00:16:10.460 on some of these injuries,

00:16:11.560 but Glenn,

00:16:12.600 I think that the bigger,

00:16:13.860 the more important aspect of this is this is not an isolated case.

00:16:17.520 There are other examples around the world where people have reported the same

00:16:21.780 thing,

00:16:22.080 but more,

00:16:22.680 more importantly,

00:16:23.320 even than that,

00:16:24.220 as interesting and compelling as that may be,

00:16:26.860 it was not my focus.

00:16:27.920 It was not our focus.

00:16:28.960 Our focus was really focused on the military incurred U S military encounters with

00:16:34.740 UAP over our control.

00:16:36.080 So air face and over our sensitive military installations.

00:16:39.900 So we're have any U S military people been injured by UAPs?

00:16:45.100 Yeah,

00:16:45.400 I think the American public would be shocked.

00:16:47.220 There are two individuals that are now on full medical disability.

00:16:50.900 I actually saw the medical records myself held them in my hands.

00:16:55.820 And Senator John McCain,

00:16:58.100 late Senator John McCain was instrumental getting their medical files released in

00:17:02.680 the first place.

00:17:03.880 They had a UAP encounter in England in the early 1980s and Rendlesham.

00:17:09.000 And it states for the record,

00:17:11.120 their a hundred percent medical disability is associated with an event that

00:17:15.240 occurred there in Rendlesham,

00:17:16.660 the UAP event.

00:17:17.400 So,

00:17:17.680 so the government is already in a,

00:17:19.820 in a way,

00:17:20.920 soft acknowledging the reality of things.

00:17:23.340 You don't put somebody on a hundred percent medical disability if there's

00:17:26.820 nothing to it.

00:17:28.060 So,

00:17:28.400 you know,

00:17:29.500 these are just small examples.

00:17:30.960 There's a medical doctor.

00:17:32.180 I won't say his name who's had many,

00:17:34.820 many patients who he's looked at that have claimed to military and intelligence

00:17:39.680 personnel who have claimed to come into contact or up close with the UAP and

00:17:45.280 have sustained medical,

00:17:46.940 medical complications as a result.

00:17:49.220 You said you held it in your hands.

00:17:52.360 What,

00:17:52.500 what,

00:17:52.700 what did you hold in your hands?

00:17:55.120 It was a document from the U S government,

00:17:57.520 uh,

00:17:58.140 full for full medical disability for an individual where they said,

00:18:01.940 yes,

00:18:02.140 we are giving this person full medical disability,

00:18:04.120 uh,

00:18:04.920 because of their,

00:18:05.800 their,

00:18:06.380 their involvement in an incident at Rundleship.

00:18:09.660 That was the incident,

00:18:10.540 the UAP incident.

00:18:12.160 So,

00:18:12.600 um,

00:18:13.100 can you get into the incident where they terrorized,

00:18:15.500 were they close to something?

00:18:16.980 Was there a beam?

00:18:18.120 What?

00:18:19.020 Yeah,

00:18:19.300 there was military personnel.

00:18:20.620 In fact,

00:18:21.060 there was a Colonel Holt.

00:18:22.860 Uh,

00:18:23.140 if you ever,

00:18:23.500 if you ever get a Charles Holt,

00:18:24.680 if you get a chance,

00:18:25.540 there was an audio that got leaked.

00:18:27.220 This was a very senior person on the base.

00:18:30.020 Um,

00:18:30.300 they kept encountering these,

00:18:31.500 these UAP near the airfield over very sensitive facilities.

00:18:34.920 I can't say it was necessarily there,

00:18:36.500 but there was a very sensitive,

00:18:37.840 uh,

00:18:39.000 capability that the United States had there.

00:18:41.160 And these UAP,

00:18:42.520 uh,

00:18:42.880 seemed interested in it.

00:18:44.160 In some cases,

00:18:45.020 some reported them over near the flight line.

00:18:47.000 In other cases,

00:18:47.740 they were over the forest,

00:18:49.140 Rundlesham forest.

00:18:50.400 And one of the individuals who was launched,

00:18:52.520 who was launched the investigation.

00:18:53.660 And on behalf of the base commander,

00:18:55.140 uh,

00:18:56.060 had a recorder in a digital record.

00:18:58.220 I think it was actually an analog recorder,

00:19:00.720 tape recorder in his pocket.

00:19:02.620 And he recorded,

00:19:03.860 uh,

00:19:04.380 the events of when they were going out to find this UFO that,

00:19:08.540 that was reported by,

00:19:09.620 by,

00:19:09.940 by,

00:19:10.820 uh,

00:19:10.940 the police,

00:19:11.460 by special police,

00:19:12.720 air force,

00:19:13.120 special police out there.

00:19:14.760 And,

00:19:15.260 uh,

00:19:15.440 so I'll give you kind of a little background here.

00:19:17.120 They go out and they're investigating,

00:19:18.620 um,

00:19:19.240 these,

00:19:19.700 these,

00:19:20.180 these lights,

00:19:21.100 these strange things near the base.

00:19:23.280 And,

00:19:23.760 uh,

00:19:24.160 two individuals,

00:19:25.420 two enlisted,

00:19:26.560 uh,

00:19:27.140 folks who were cops at the time for the base,

00:19:29.120 decided they were going to go out,

00:19:30.900 uh,

00:19:31.160 as well into the forest and try to find these things.

00:19:34.540 And,

00:19:35.080 uh,

00:19:35.380 apparently they,

00:19:36.220 they did.

00:19:37.040 Um,

00:19:37.480 it's not my story to tell.

00:19:38.920 It's,

00:19:39.360 you can look it up.

00:19:40.120 It's,

00:19:40.340 it's called the Rendlesham incident or Bentwaters incident.

00:19:43.160 Um,

00:19:43.600 these two individuals,

00:19:44.760 despite what anybody says,

00:19:45.860 um,

00:19:46.980 will tell you their,

00:19:47.760 their,

00:19:48.040 their version of the story and they are on medical disability by the U S

00:19:51.920 government because of it,

00:19:52.700 because they,

00:19:53.280 uh,

00:19:54.140 got injured.

00:19:55.140 Um,

00:19:55.500 they sustained some sort of injury,

00:19:56.920 uh,

00:19:57.360 and it has affected them longterm.

00:19:59.460 Um,

00:19:59.900 they have claimed again,

00:20:00.660 I don't want to let the cat out of the bag because it's their story to

00:20:02.940 tell,

00:20:03.540 but they claim to have come into contact with,

00:20:06.180 got very close to this UFO,

00:20:07.560 uh,

00:20:08.220 and then woke up a little bit later and,

00:20:10.200 and,

00:20:10.560 uh,

00:20:11.320 kind of meandered back to,

00:20:12.760 to back to the base and,

00:20:14.700 uh,

00:20:14.880 reported it.

00:20:15.560 And it's a,

00:20:16.180 it's a fascinating,

00:20:17.200 fascinating.

00:20:17.820 Now this occurred well before my time.

00:20:19.380 This is,

00:20:19.800 you know,

00:20:20.020 1980,

00:20:20.620 81 timeframe.

00:20:21.980 So,

00:20:22.380 um,

00:20:23.040 you know,

00:20:23.340 I wasn't there,

00:20:24.920 but what I can tell you is that there's enough documentation,

00:20:27.420 uh,

00:20:28.880 and I witnessed testimony from the people who were there that it is,

00:20:32.040 it is very,

00:20:32.840 very compelling.

00:20:34.100 Uh,

00:20:34.500 is there any,

00:20:35.340 um,

00:20:36.120 uh,

00:20:37.200 evidence of implants?

00:20:39.280 You talk about that a little bit in your book.

00:20:41.240 Can you go deeper into that?

00:20:43.520 Sure.

00:20:43.880 Sure.

00:20:44.220 I know it sounds crazy and kooky,

00:20:45.800 uh,

00:20:46.320 but there have been some individuals where foreign bodies,

00:20:49.240 something that was not there before,

00:20:51.620 have been removed,

00:20:53.200 uh,

00:20:53.680 from individuals.

00:20:54.320 In fact,

00:20:54.740 there was a very,

00:20:55.920 very senior CIA official,

00:20:57.780 an intelligence official,

00:20:58.840 who I will not name here.

00:21:00.480 Uh,

00:21:00.760 I think they may come public at some point,

00:21:03.460 uh,

00:21:03.620 him and his wife had a,

00:21:05.060 uh,

00:21:05.280 a terrifying encounter.

00:21:06.540 And,

00:21:07.200 uh,

00:21:07.600 some of the medical doctors back at the organization there that they worked at,

00:21:11.060 uh,

00:21:11.920 removed something from them.

00:21:14.220 Um,

00:21:15.140 and again,

00:21:15.500 it's not my story to tell,

00:21:16.600 but what I can tell you is that there's,

00:21:18.020 there's a significant amount of information to suggest that some individuals who have claimed to have come close to a UAP,

00:21:26.360 UAP have had objects removed from their bodies and the objects that are removed from their bodies are very unique.

00:21:33.860 They have,

00:21:34.760 it's like a cross between,

00:21:36.100 uh,

00:21:36.240 think of a technical device.

00:21:37.540 Uh,

00:21:37.980 I don't want to say chip because I think it's,

00:21:39.680 you know,

00:21:40.280 people say that,

00:21:41.160 but it's not really a chip.

00:21:42.260 It's some sort of,

00:21:43.160 uh,

00:21:43.740 foreign body there.

00:21:45.460 And it has encapsulated itself with,

00:21:48.140 with tissue,

00:21:48.820 uh,

00:21:49.760 to what appears to be to mask itself from the autoimmune response of,

00:21:54.140 of the human body.

00:21:54.980 So whenever you have something put inside you,

00:21:56.940 the body's always trying to reject it and get rid of it.

00:21:58.920 And there's a,

00:21:59.240 what they call an immuno cascade that,

00:22:01.020 that occurs with white blood cells.

00:22:02.940 And that's why you get,

00:22:04.180 you know,

00:22:04.700 bruises and things and infection because your body's,

00:22:07.540 trying to,

00:22:08.040 to fight whatever is inside you.

00:22:10.900 In this particular case,

00:22:12.260 it does not seem to be an immune response.

00:22:15.280 And these things seem to be highly motile,

00:22:17.920 which means maneuverable,

00:22:19.600 um,

00:22:20.400 which if you can imagine.

00:22:22.180 You mean go through the body?

00:22:23.480 Yeah.

00:22:24.140 Yeah.

00:22:24.760 Like a nanobot almost.

00:22:26.420 Almost like,

00:22:27.420 yeah.

00:22:27.700 But that,

00:22:28.160 but think about that from a,

00:22:29.240 from an immunology perspective,

00:22:30.600 at least from the world I come from,

00:22:32.620 uh,

00:22:32.880 there are,

00:22:33.600 there are,

00:22:34.440 there are microorganisms are called spirochetes,

00:22:36.600 um,

00:22:37.340 that do that.

00:22:38.160 The problem is,

00:22:38.860 is as they whip through your body,

00:22:40.360 they create this incredible trail of destruction and the body reacts to it.

00:22:44.960 But that doesn't seem to be the case with,

00:22:47.780 with some of the things that they're removing from individuals,

00:22:50.360 veterans,

00:22:50.680 by the way,

00:22:51.260 in some cases,

00:22:51.800 even the department of veterans affairs has removed these things.

00:22:54.780 And then when they look them under a microscope,

00:22:56.200 in some cases,

00:22:57.800 they seem to have their own metabolism,

00:22:59.380 meaning their,

00:22:59.940 their own ability to be their store or use energy,

00:23:04.280 even after it's removed from the body.

00:23:07.080 Um,

00:23:07.400 and so very compelling.

00:23:08.500 I am,

00:23:08.780 I'm going to tell you right now,

00:23:09.880 I am not a doctor,

00:23:11.060 a forensics doctor.

00:23:12.420 Uh,

00:23:12.800 I'm certainly not going to tell you that I can validate and verify what the

00:23:16.900 doctors are saying,

00:23:17.580 because I'm not a doctor.

00:23:18.400 I'm just repeating to you what some of the doctors analysis was.

00:23:21.700 In some cases,

00:23:22.220 one was,

00:23:22.820 was particularly upset by it.

00:23:25.120 I said,

00:23:25.340 look,

00:23:25.500 I don't want to look at this anymore.

00:23:27.660 Um,

00:23:28.020 I don't know what it is.

00:23:29.060 It's doing things that I'm not used to seeing something like this do.

00:23:32.080 It shouldn't be able to do this.

00:23:33.340 And I really don't want to be involved with this.

00:23:36.640 Wow.

00:23:37.700 Um,

00:23:38.200 it was,

00:23:38.740 it,

00:23:39.180 do you think sending information back?

00:23:42.440 We don't know.

00:23:43.300 Uh,

00:23:43.540 we don't know.

00:23:44.240 I mean,

00:23:44.440 look,

00:23:44.660 we,

00:23:44.920 we as human beings do this all the time in the African Serengeti,

00:23:47.840 we get in a helicopter,

00:23:48.940 we shoot a microchip into an animal,

00:23:50.940 uh,

00:23:51.700 to look at it's O2 intake,

00:23:53.600 it's blood,

00:23:54.200 you know,

00:23:54.500 it's iron levels.

00:23:55.820 I mean,

00:23:55.980 look,

00:23:56.180 I've,

00:23:56.440 I've got four German shepherds and I,

00:23:58.220 I put,

00:23:59.160 I chip every one of them,

00:24:00.060 right.

00:24:00.160 In case one by chance gets lost.

00:24:02.160 Um,

00:24:02.560 there's all sorts of reasons,

00:24:03.600 not necessarily transmitting anything.

00:24:05.820 Uh,

00:24:06.220 in this case,

00:24:06.900 like with dogs,

00:24:07.540 it's a passive device,

00:24:08.540 but who knows?

00:24:10.120 Uh,

00:24:10.480 there are people that are looking at these things that are doing some study in

00:24:13.560 them.

00:24:14.140 Um,

00:24:14.580 I,

00:24:14.940 I have to be very careful what I say because there's HIPAA and patient

00:24:18.360 confidentiality rules that apply.

00:24:20.460 Uh,

00:24:20.860 but it's,

00:24:21.360 it's intriguing enough to say,

00:24:22.520 you know,

00:24:22.720 there's,

00:24:23.080 there,

00:24:23.340 there is something unique about these things.

00:24:26.260 So,

00:24:26.740 uh,

00:24:27.580 have they,

00:24:28.580 uh,

00:24:29.720 have,

00:24:30.080 have they used technology to interfere with any of our technology?

00:24:33.740 You talk a little bit about ICBMs.

00:24:36.940 Yeah.

00:24:37.920 Yeah.

00:24:38.160 There's,

00:24:38.440 there's,

00:24:38.460 there's reports of that too,

00:24:39.680 Glenn,

00:24:39.820 that have been released over the last few years.

00:24:42.280 Um,

00:24:42.680 the government has actual reports on UAP interfering with our ICBMs.

00:24:49.260 Um,

00:24:49.660 and in fact,

00:24:50.180 some cases,

00:24:50.860 um,

00:24:51.820 taking offline an entire flight.

00:24:54.240 A flight is a bunch of different missiles kind of daisy chain together and,

00:24:58.740 and coordinated,

00:24:59.920 uh,

00:25:00.180 you know,

00:25:00.380 from a central location.

00:25:01.860 Uh,

00:25:02.300 and there are reports,

00:25:03.700 intelligence reports,

00:25:04.660 you official U S government reports.

00:25:06.120 In fact,

00:25:06.520 a lot of them are online now because the government released them where they spot these luminous

00:25:11.620 objects coming over a particular flight,

00:25:14.220 uh,

00:25:15.040 or a missile silo and all of them going offline.

00:25:17.860 And if that's not,

00:25:19.320 if that is not concerning enough,

00:25:22.440 um,

00:25:23.080 there's information to suggest in Russia,

00:25:25.000 they've actually turned them on.

00:25:27.020 Um,

00:25:27.380 so,

00:25:28.260 you know,

00:25:28.560 we,

00:25:28.940 we're paying attention to any country,

00:25:31.100 put the,

00:25:31.600 you know,

00:25:31.760 take UAP aside,

00:25:33.000 any country that has the ability to fly undetected into our controlled U S airspace over a sensitive

00:25:39.400 military installations and interfere with our nuclear response capability.

00:25:44.740 Part of our,

00:25:45.520 our,

00:25:45.780 our nuclear triad,

00:25:47.200 um,

00:25:47.900 that's extremely problematic because that means maybe we're not as ready and to,

00:25:53.400 and capable to respond to some sort of a nuclear strike.

00:25:57.020 So,

00:25:57.600 so think about that for a minute.

00:25:59.200 So it is,

00:26:00.080 it is a very significant concern for,

00:26:02.620 for us.

00:26:04.060 This seems like you're describing something Malavin.

00:26:06.700 I mean,

00:26:08.340 well,

00:26:08.820 we have to be careful with that.

00:26:10.280 I mean,

00:26:10.860 we,

00:26:11.080 we could say malevolent,

00:26:12.480 but you know,

00:26:12.820 some people will say,

00:26:13.740 well,

00:26:14.060 you know,

00:26:15.000 they're interfering with our nukes because they don't,

00:26:17.400 you know,

00:26:17.600 they don't want us to blow ourselves up.

00:26:19.800 Fine.

00:26:20.300 But you know,

00:26:20.820 we already did.

00:26:21.520 I mean,

00:26:22.000 I hate to say it,

00:26:22.740 but Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

00:26:24.040 right.

00:26:24.260 I mean,

00:26:24.580 right.

00:26:25.020 And they didn't stop the testing from going from the atomic age to the nuclear age.

00:26:28.740 It didn't stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons and now getting into the hands of,

00:26:31.740 you know,

00:26:31.900 a dozen other countries.

00:26:33.440 Uh,

00:26:33.760 they didn't stop Chernobyl,

00:26:34.820 three mile Island or Fukushima.

00:26:37.740 Um,

00:26:38.100 so,

00:26:38.960 you know,

00:26:39.340 I,

00:26:39.560 I don't know if there's any information to suggest that they are necessarily benevolent.

00:26:44.520 Maybe there is.

00:26:45.500 Um,

00:26:45.920 and then,

00:26:46.500 you know,

00:26:46.820 there's the other option.

00:26:47.680 Maybe they're neutral.

00:26:48.480 Maybe,

00:26:49.140 maybe whatever it,

00:26:50.240 or they are,

00:26:50.960 are just interested in observing us.

00:26:52.980 Look,

00:26:53.120 we do it all the time,

00:26:54.020 um,

00:26:54.620 with other,

00:26:55.400 other species on our planet.

00:26:56.800 And so when you,

00:26:58.520 when you're asking about your question about seeing,

00:27:00.340 about being potentially malevolent,

00:27:02.800 that describes some sort of intent.

00:27:05.180 And right now we have no idea the intent.

00:27:08.900 We've seen some of the capabilities,

00:27:10.380 which is important because that's,

00:27:11.660 that's half the calculus to determine if something is a threat from a national security perspective.

00:27:15.860 You have capabilities and you have intent.

00:27:18.800 Now we've seen for a chance some of their capabilities and they can outperform anything

00:27:22.920 that we have,

00:27:23.640 but we still have no idea the intent.

00:27:26.280 And so therefore we don't know if it's a threat.

00:27:28.900 We don't.

00:27:29.520 There's a,

00:27:30.500 uh,

00:27:30.820 Glenn,

00:27:31.020 I don't know if you remember this.

00:27:32.280 Um,

00:27:32.680 I think last time I used an analogy with,

00:27:34.520 with you and your audience.

00:27:36.040 Um,

00:27:36.780 you know,

00:27:37.060 I,

00:27:37.260 I think we agree that most of us,

00:27:38.880 you know,

00:27:39.440 we live in nice neighborhoods,

00:27:40.780 safe neighborhoods,

00:27:41.420 but most of us still lock the front door at night before you go to bed.

00:27:44.660 I know I do.

00:27:45.360 Do you?

00:27:46.600 Yes.

00:27:47.220 Okay.

00:27:47.480 So some people might even go an extra step and they might lock the windows and even turn the alarm on before they go to bed.

00:27:53.920 Imagine one Sunday morning,

00:27:55.320 you come downstairs for a nice hot cup of tea or coffee.

00:27:58.500 And as you come downstairs,

00:27:59.800 um,

00:28:00.520 you see the size 12 muddy boot prints in your living room carpet that were not there the night before.

00:28:05.660 Now,

00:28:06.120 no one's been hurt.

00:28:07.040 Nothing's been taken,

00:28:07.800 but despite you locking the front doors and locking the windows and turning on the alarm,

00:28:12.240 there's now boot prints in your living room that were not there the night before.

00:28:15.900 So my question to you is,

00:28:17.400 is that a threat?

00:28:19.220 And I think the response is,

00:28:20.480 well,

00:28:21.220 it could be if it wanted to be.

00:28:22.680 So we should probably do our due diligence and figure out how this is getting in here,

00:28:26.840 right?

00:28:27.080 Now,

00:28:27.260 whoever's making these footprints,

00:28:28.620 we got to figure out how they're getting in here.

00:28:30.500 And so that's kind of the same analogy here.

00:28:32.440 Um,

00:28:33.240 you know,

00:28:33.760 these things are coming into our controlled U S airspace are outperforming some of our almost sophisticated military equities.

00:28:40.380 There's not really a whole lot we can do about it.

00:28:42.540 Um,

00:28:43.320 is it a threat?

00:28:44.100 You know,

00:28:44.620 well,

00:28:44.800 if it was a,

00:28:45.380 let's say,

00:28:45.740 uh,

00:28:46.400 an airplane that had a Russian star on the tail or a North Korean tail number.

00:28:50.180 Yeah,

00:28:50.680 sure.

00:28:51.120 It would be,

00:28:51.380 you would see,

00:28:51.920 you would see a huge reaction by the U S government and we would scramble two F 22s and get it out of our airspace.

00:28:58.080 But because the things don't have a tail number or a Russian star,

00:29:02.360 in some cases,

00:29:02.820 not even a tail or wings or obvious signs of propulsion,

00:29:06.200 nobody wanted to have the conversation.

00:29:07.840 It was crickets.

00:29:08.780 Um,

00:29:09.340 they were basically told,

00:29:10.640 do not report.

00:29:11.700 If you see a UFO,

00:29:13.200 you see a UAP,

00:29:14.120 don't report it,

00:29:15.000 which is really antithetical to everything that you hear,

00:29:18.600 you know,

00:29:19.160 about when you go to an airport or a train station,

00:29:21.500 see something suspicious,

00:29:22.840 say something.

00:29:23.860 This was an exception to that rule.

00:29:25.820 Nobody wanted to have the conversation despite the overwhelming evidence we had from the U S government at the time.

00:29:33.720 It's enough of a struggle just to live our lives and try to keep tyranny at bay day after day without also having to deal with pain on a regular basis.

00:29:42.520 If you're in constant pain,

00:29:44.620 um,

00:29:45.280 or just occasional really bad pain,

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00:30:53.800 So you talk about Roswell and that's probably the most famous UFO kind of thing.

00:31:00.140 Um,

00:31:00.740 um,

00:31:01.280 and you say that it happened and that,

00:31:05.420 uh,

00:31:06.640 it crashed.

00:31:08.400 Um,

00:31:09.160 have you,

00:31:09.620 have you seen,

00:31:10.880 why do you,

00:31:11.640 why do you know that?

00:31:12.620 How do you know that,

00:31:13.760 that this was real?

00:31:14.820 And yeah,

00:31:16.540 so for,

00:31:17.700 for several reasons,

00:31:18.520 um,

00:31:19.200 one was some of our scientists in our organization.

00:31:22.580 And made that claim,

00:31:25.220 but they also backed up that claim.

00:31:27.360 And there was material that was allegedly recovered.

00:31:30.760 Um,

00:31:31.240 I can tell you definitively when looking at the material,

00:31:34.460 it is very,

00:31:35.260 very unusual.

00:31:36.080 Some scientists had done some research on it.

00:31:39.140 Um,

00:31:39.700 to this day,

00:31:40.620 we were,

00:31:41.040 I should say that about three years ago,

00:31:42.640 I think we finally got to the point where three or four years ago,

00:31:45.320 where we were able to,

00:31:47.180 to at the macro level,

00:31:48.620 bring together the two materials we saw in this,

00:31:51.100 in this,

00:31:51.560 this material.

00:31:52.580 Uh,

00:31:53.100 and to this day,

00:31:53.800 we still cannot replicate,

00:31:55.160 um,

00:31:56.120 the physical properties of physical aspects of the material that was

00:32:00.320 recovered.

00:32:00.720 And when you ask some of the,

00:32:03.300 the best and brightest in the aerospace corporations,

00:32:05.860 they say,

00:32:06.240 look,

00:32:06.420 we have no idea what this would be used for.

00:32:08.660 And we still can't replicate it.

00:32:10.660 Well,

00:32:10.980 okay.

00:32:11.500 That's,

00:32:12.060 that's interesting,

00:32:12.660 but who can,

00:32:14.040 right?

00:32:14.240 And they say,

00:32:14.600 well,

00:32:14.920 you know,

00:32:15.520 it's possible country X or country Y now has that capability.

00:32:20.060 Okay.

00:32:20.300 Well,

00:32:20.580 what about 50,

00:32:21.860 60 years ago?

00:32:22.560 And you get back this,

00:32:23.780 you know,

00:32:24.220 big stare and like,

00:32:25.860 there's no one had that capability.

00:32:27.260 This is the response.

00:32:28.320 And I liken it to going into King Tut's tomb for the very first time in the 1920s,

00:32:33.700 opening it up the vault and seeing a fully assembled seven 47 sitting in there.

00:32:37.840 But it doesn't make sense temporally.

00:32:40.140 They did not have that technology.

00:32:42.080 And the same thing is with some of this material.

00:32:45.080 In some cases,

00:32:45.800 we still don't have the technology.

00:32:47.240 And so,

00:32:47.600 but,

00:32:47.700 but there it is,

00:32:48.600 it's engineered.

00:32:49.440 Someone put it together.

00:32:50.280 So,

00:32:51.280 so tell me what,

00:32:52.400 what is left,

00:32:52.880 what happened that day and what is left?

00:32:55.400 Where,

00:32:56.140 how much of this material were their bodies?

00:33:01.740 Yeah.

00:33:02.340 Tell me what happened that day.

00:33:03.500 So as the report goes,

00:33:05.000 it was actually two,

00:33:05.900 there was actually two incidents.

00:33:08.180 There was two crashes,

00:33:09.220 not one.

00:33:10.580 And one was partially recovered.

00:33:13.720 And there were,

00:33:14.520 there were biological specimens inside,

00:33:17.680 allegedly four.

00:33:19.040 And they were very quickly whisked away,

00:33:20.980 taken to the military base to lock them down.

00:33:24.360 They didn't want the locals touching them or getting,

00:33:26.720 getting ahold of them.

00:33:27.920 And of course we know what happened after that,

00:33:30.880 which was this campaign to say,

00:33:32.600 Oh no,

00:33:32.880 these are mylar balloons and stuff like that.

00:33:34.580 No,

00:33:34.720 these were crash test dummies that came down.

00:33:36.620 Well,

00:33:37.060 that's interesting because we weren't using dummies back then for some of

00:33:39.980 these tests.

00:33:40.740 You know,

00:33:40.920 we weren't using dummies until later.

00:33:43.000 So these,

00:33:44.620 these specimens were looked at.

00:33:46.820 I don't know where they went after that.

00:33:49.480 And where the material went after that,

00:33:52.880 the,

00:33:53.100 the,

00:33:53.380 the trail gets kind of cold.

00:33:54.960 Turns out later that there was another U S military installation,

00:33:59.160 Wright Patterson in Ohio,

00:34:00.280 that also was involved in looking at material of,

00:34:05.260 of crashed unknown vehicles of unknown origin.

00:34:08.500 And yeah,

00:34:10.200 it's there's even some,

00:34:11.640 some very interesting document documentation out there.

00:34:14.980 If you know where to find it again,

00:34:15.960 that's completely unclassified.

00:34:17.920 Anybody can look at it.

00:34:20.060 There's a site called the black vault.

00:34:23.000 The gentleman who runs that has any huge,

00:34:25.880 huge,

00:34:26.200 huge library of freedom of information act releases that the U S government,

00:34:30.800 the CIA,

00:34:31.480 the FBI,

00:34:32.160 the NSA,

00:34:32.860 the department of defense,

00:34:33.800 the DIA have all released over the years.

00:34:36.020 And there's a treasure trove of these documents.

00:34:39.260 And when you start reading these documents and realizing these were official government documents to the director of the FBI,

00:34:44.880 from the director of the FBI,

00:34:46.000 to the director of the CIA,

00:34:47.680 the national security council,

00:34:49.120 these are real.

00:34:50.380 These are legit.

00:34:51.880 You know,

00:34:52.040 this is not Lou Elizondo telling you this.

00:34:54.300 This is your government telling you this.

00:34:56.720 And I think this is part of my government always lies to us.

00:34:59.680 So I,

00:34:59.980 yeah,

00:35:01.160 no,

00:35:01.440 yeah,

00:35:01.600 sure,

00:35:01.880 sure.

00:35:02.300 Yeah,

00:35:02.500 no,

00:35:02.700 touche,

00:35:03.100 of course.

00:35:03.480 Uh,

00:35:03.920 but you know,

00:35:04.980 a Lieutenant Colonel that's there in the field writing a report,

00:35:08.260 they're not lying to you,

00:35:09.160 you know,

00:35:09.460 a politician,

00:35:10.300 maybe,

00:35:10.780 you know,

00:35:11.380 a senior person that's trying to cover their butt.

00:35:14.240 Yeah.

00:35:14.800 But you know,

00:35:15.780 a low level Lieutenant Colonel who's there,

00:35:17.860 who's an MP military police is just writing the report to his general.

00:35:22.060 That's,

00:35:22.600 they're not lying to you.

00:35:23.640 That's,

00:35:24.020 that's a real report written by a real,

00:35:26.220 real individual about a real,

00:35:28.080 real occurrence.

00:35:29.320 So have you been allowed to see anything?

00:35:32.560 I mean,

00:35:32.840 I assume there's been other crashes.

00:35:35.240 Uh,

00:35:35.760 have you been able to actually see this evidence with your own eyes,

00:35:41.080 the actual physical evidence?

00:35:43.460 Yeah.

00:35:43.600 I actually gave a briefing to a senior member of the department of defense in

00:35:47.900 2017,

00:35:48.840 several briefings about the material that I,

00:35:52.220 that I,

00:35:52.540 I personally have held in my hand.

00:35:54.900 I,

00:35:55.340 I have held it in my hand and so have other individuals that,

00:35:59.140 and I'm not going to say who they were,

00:36:00.480 that worked for arrows,

00:36:01.860 very,

00:36:02.300 very,

00:36:02.840 high-end aerospace companies,

00:36:05.440 um,

00:36:06.000 best of the best.

00:36:06.800 And they're looking at this from an engineering perspective and they're,

00:36:10.320 they're scratching their head.

00:36:11.200 They're saying,

00:36:11.640 you know,

00:36:11.920 I,

00:36:12.220 I mean,

00:36:13.120 I can see it.

00:36:14.080 I believe it,

00:36:14.700 but I can't believe this material was found back then.

00:36:19.200 Uh,

00:36:19.740 and,

00:36:20.000 and,

00:36:20.020 and under those circumstances,

00:36:21.180 um,

00:36:22.220 this material,

00:36:23.040 we did not have the engineering capability.

00:36:24.560 It isn't an engineered piece of material.

00:36:26.680 It's,

00:36:26.880 it's layered.

00:36:28.000 Uh,

00:36:28.260 it was studied by NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

00:36:30.200 It's been studied by other organizations as well.

00:36:32.620 Um,

00:36:33.300 you know,

00:36:33.680 and of course that's really the gold standard,

00:36:35.900 isn't it?

00:36:36.260 When you have material that you can analyze and you can,

00:36:39.500 uh,

00:36:41.040 look at that material and,

00:36:42.820 and succinctly say,

00:36:43.800 yeah,

00:36:44.040 this material is very special and requires an X degree amount of technology to

00:36:48.620 manufacture or reproduce.

00:36:49.840 And frankly,

00:36:50.940 it did not exist at the time the material was found,

00:36:53.320 at least not with,

00:36:54.160 with us,

00:36:54.580 with,

00:36:54.800 with,

00:36:54.960 with humans.

00:36:56.920 So,

00:36:57.140 um,

00:36:57.620 there seems to be a theme with the spottings and that is nuclear test sites or

00:37:02.920 nuclear sites,

00:37:04.280 um,

00:37:05.320 and water.

00:37:06.800 Why?

00:37:08.280 Yeah.

00:37:08.760 So you're right.

00:37:09.460 Nuclear,

00:37:09.900 nuclear technology.

00:37:10.820 It's not just nuclear weapons.

00:37:12.360 It's nuclear propulsion,

00:37:13.480 nuclear technology.

00:37:14.520 We've seen them over our,

00:37:15.960 uh,

00:37:16.200 national laboratory,

00:37:17.200 Savannah river facility.

00:37:18.240 There's some reports that came out.

00:37:19.340 Oak Ridge national laboratory.

00:37:21.080 Uh,

00:37:21.400 but you know,

00:37:21.980 if you think about the Navy,

00:37:23.500 right,

00:37:23.680 a lot of people are aware of the Navy incidents.

00:37:25.420 Well,

00:37:26.080 what is a nuclear carrier strike group?

00:37:27.980 Well,

00:37:28.080 it is a huge nuclear footprint in some cases,

00:37:30.120 probably a bigger nuclear footprint than the entire state of New York.

00:37:33.180 Cause you've got a,

00:37:34.020 a nuclear powered carrier.

00:37:36.020 You've got other vessels that may be nuclear power.

00:37:38.580 You've got submarines that have nuclear power and other nuclear capabilities

00:37:42.080 potentially.

00:37:43.220 Um,

00:37:43.580 so you've got this,

00:37:44.540 this huge nuclear footprint.

00:37:45.540 And we also have known we,

00:37:47.540 the two things that you just said are correct.

00:37:49.340 There seems to be a relationship,

00:37:51.400 a correlation between UAPs and water and,

00:37:54.740 and nuclear technology,

00:37:56.600 nuclear capabilities.

00:37:58.000 We don't know why that is,

00:37:59.340 but if you think about it again,

00:38:00.880 back to the,

00:38:01.580 to the nuclear carrier group,

00:38:02.940 strike group,

00:38:04.160 it is nuclear.

00:38:05.320 It's a huge nuclear footprint.

00:38:06.580 We're in the middle of the water.

00:38:07.500 And so that's why my colleagues and I had put forth a plan called interloper to try to,

00:38:13.060 try to,

00:38:13.560 try to get one of these things.

00:38:15.380 Uh,

00:38:15.820 and when I say get one of these things,

00:38:17.020 explain what interloper is.

00:38:18.360 This is fascinating.

00:38:19.800 This is fascinating.

00:38:21.280 Yeah.

00:38:21.480 Um,

00:38:21.920 so when I was at the Pentagon,

00:38:23.800 my colleagues and I,

00:38:24.940 uh,

00:38:25.440 realized that there was this,

00:38:28.280 this interest in our nuclear equities and water.

00:38:30.540 And so the idea was to create a,

00:38:34.000 in essence,

00:38:34.580 a honey trap,

00:38:35.460 be able to create an irresistible target that we knew UAPs would show up to.

00:38:39.680 Cause every time these guys were going out,

00:38:41.360 like with the Roosevelt and the Nimitz,

00:38:43.300 they were seeing UAP.

00:38:44.540 So we said,

00:38:45.280 okay,

00:38:45.480 let's work with the interagency group.

00:38:47.540 Let's talk to the other members of the intelligence community.

00:38:49.940 And let's create this,

00:38:51.520 this,

00:38:51.960 this honeypot where we would put this nuclear carrier strike group in a certain area.

00:38:56.840 And then as a UAP show up,

00:38:59.180 uh,

00:38:59.700 you know,

00:39:00.040 we turn on the lights.

00:39:00.880 Uh,

00:39:01.320 we,

00:39:01.480 we turn on all our,

00:39:02.700 our sensor data to start collecting information,

00:39:06.420 telemetry and,

00:39:07.400 and other stuff on these signatures.

00:39:09.680 All these UAP.

00:39:10.880 And so everybody liked the idea.

00:39:12.480 It went up,

00:39:12.940 it got staff,

00:39:13.540 went up to the joint staff.

00:39:14.560 We had a lot of support for it.

00:39:16.160 Uh,

00:39:16.480 and then at the very end,

00:39:17.480 it got killed by somebody at a very senior level.

00:39:19.740 And there's some speculation why that occurred.

00:39:23.520 Um,

00:39:23.900 a lot of folks believe is because we were getting too close to another UAP effort,

00:39:28.920 long running UAP efforts that the U S government had,

00:39:31.300 uh,

00:39:31.720 going on.

00:39:32.540 And it was,

00:39:33.140 uh,

00:39:34.240 put on ice for a little while.

00:39:35.900 And they were,

00:39:36.660 they were getting concerned that maybe our group was getting too close to their

00:39:39.560 group.

00:39:40.280 Um,

00:39:40.440 I don't know if that is correct.

00:39:42.240 That is just some,

00:39:43.360 some suppositions by some of the folks,

00:39:46.140 some of the members of our team.

00:39:47.580 Um,

00:39:47.940 I don't know if I personally believe that it may have just been too risky.

00:39:51.660 Um,

00:39:52.180 I,

00:39:52.560 you know,

00:39:52.740 there's always,

00:39:53.300 there's always this concern when you're talking about UAPs in the government

00:39:56.560 because it's controversial.

00:39:57.880 And I don't think anybody wants to be associated with UAP in the government

00:40:02.680 because it's got kind of that silly factor,

00:40:05.100 that woo factor.

00:40:06.620 Um,

00:40:07.520 so,

00:40:07.960 you know,

00:40:08.160 there's,

00:40:08.420 there's some,

00:40:08.900 there's some political issues there that we're also,

00:40:12.140 I think.

00:40:13.360 There's also stuff that you talk about in the book,

00:40:15.480 like Collins elite.

00:40:17.400 Talk about Collins elite.

00:40:19.080 What is that?

00:40:19.720 Sure.

00:40:20.880 Yeah.

00:40:21.300 The Collins elite is a group of,

00:40:23.660 and I don't want to say fundamentalists.

00:40:26.160 Um,

00:40:26.380 I would rather say probably,

00:40:27.800 uh,

00:40:29.700 maybe more radical,

00:40:30.680 um,

00:40:31.460 religious individuals in,

00:40:32.920 in the government,

00:40:33.620 particularly in,

00:40:34.460 in national security,

00:40:35.400 the Pentagon,

00:40:35.920 the intelligence community that are very,

00:40:38.340 um,

00:40:39.340 very staunchly devout,

00:40:40.680 uh,

00:40:41.220 religiously.

00:40:41.980 And by the way,

00:40:42.760 I,

00:40:43.020 I'm religious.

00:40:44.140 So this is not,

00:40:45.380 I'm not,

00:40:45.980 I'm not hating on anybody,

00:40:47.460 but they had a moral issue.

00:40:49.900 With us pursuing this topic.

00:40:51.500 Um,

00:40:51.860 they believe that it's,

00:40:53.160 it contradicted their theological belief system,

00:40:56.380 that these UAP were in fact demons.

00:40:58.680 Um,

00:40:59.000 they were,

00:40:59.520 you know,

00:41:00.420 it was,

00:41:01.000 if you studied UAP,

00:41:02.180 then you were going against the word of God.

00:41:04.120 And by the way,

00:41:05.040 there are some,

00:41:06.060 wait,

00:41:06.100 wait,

00:41:06.220 wait,

00:41:06.440 wait,

00:41:06.740 wait,

00:41:06.800 wait,

00:41:07.100 why,

00:41:07.400 why?

00:41:07.840 Because we can only be,

00:41:10.540 we're the only intelligent beings in the universe or because they actually believe these were demons.

00:41:19.000 Yeah,

00:41:19.520 no,

00:41:19.740 I,

00:41:20.600 well,

00:41:21.160 I can't tell you why they thought what they thought.

00:41:23.160 Uh,

00:41:23.400 there's people right now that believe it,

00:41:25.080 um,

00:41:25.540 that these things are,

00:41:26.940 are demonic.

00:41:27.960 Um,

00:41:28.940 I,

00:41:29.440 you know,

00:41:29.640 my response is,

00:41:30.600 look,

00:41:30.760 at the end of the day,

00:41:31.600 I can't say for sure about they're not.

00:41:33.840 I,

00:41:34.040 I don't know,

00:41:34.840 but I think we should figure it out.

00:41:35.880 I don't understand how,

00:41:36.820 I,

00:41:38.100 I,

00:41:38.260 I've never seen any,

00:41:39.840 anything in the scriptures or anything that says demons need,

00:41:43.000 needed vehicles.

00:41:45.000 you know,

00:41:47.300 I think they're going back to scripture of,

00:41:49.160 of being deceivers and,

00:41:51.560 you know,

00:41:51.880 trying to lure us away from,

00:41:54.020 from the path,

00:41:56.500 you know,

00:41:57.380 path of righteousness.

00:41:58.160 Again,

00:41:58.520 I don't,

00:41:58.720 I don't want to get preachy here.

00:42:00.540 I,

00:42:00.660 I understand their,

00:42:01.620 their,

00:42:01.960 their perspective.

00:42:02.580 And,

00:42:02.940 and by the way,

00:42:03.560 I don't blame them for it.

00:42:04.440 I'm going to be the first one to tell you,

00:42:05.620 but what I,

00:42:06.520 I do disagree with it.

00:42:07.660 I think at a minimum,

00:42:08.940 we need to figure out what's going on.

00:42:11.220 Look,

00:42:11.360 Galileo,

00:42:11.900 when he first proposed that the earth was not the center,

00:42:14.760 the solar system,

00:42:16.020 look what they did to him,

00:42:16.780 right?

00:42:16.920 They almost killed him for it.

00:42:18.060 They even refused to look through the very telescope that he had made to,

00:42:21.220 to prove his observations.

00:42:22.900 So,

00:42:23.260 you know,

00:42:24.260 and at the end of the day,

00:42:25.420 it didn't really at all contradict religion at all.

00:42:31.000 In fact,

00:42:31.360 maybe in some cases,

00:42:32.080 maybe even reinforced it and,

00:42:33.160 and shed the grandeur of the universe.

00:42:35.040 And so I had a conversation not too long ago,

00:42:38.940 a couple of years ago in Italy with a very senior academic from the Vatican.

00:42:43.720 And about this topic.

00:42:45.580 And he said to me,

00:42:46.320 he says,

00:42:46.540 look,

00:42:46.740 you know,

00:42:47.060 it's interesting you say that because at least in the Catholic faith until the

00:42:50.880 1600s,

00:42:51.600 it was heretical to say that there couldn't be life somewhere else because you're

00:42:56.160 putting artificial limitations on,

00:42:58.060 on the dominion of,

00:42:59.140 of the notion of God,

00:43:00.300 and is omnipotent.

00:43:02.240 So,

00:43:02.560 you know,

00:43:04.100 I,

00:43:04.200 I think it's probably more of a modern interpretation that maybe these things are,

00:43:09.260 are representative of some sort of demonic,

00:43:13.320 you know,

00:43:13.760 presence.

00:43:14.940 I don't subscribe to that.

00:43:16.940 And,

00:43:17.460 you know,

00:43:17.700 there are some,

00:43:18.340 some religious fundamentalists in,

00:43:20.300 in the government.

00:43:20.940 I don't mean just Christian,

00:43:21.760 right?

00:43:21.960 There's fundamentalism by any other word.

00:43:24.900 It's still fundamentalist.

00:43:26.360 But are you,

00:43:27.440 are you talking about,

00:43:28.940 um,

00:43:30.100 because I've never heard of this group.

00:43:31.820 Are you talking about like a secret society that is coordinated on thwarting

00:43:38.140 things?

00:43:38.580 And,

00:43:39.120 and how did you even find out about this group?

00:43:42.260 Sure.

00:43:42.880 Yeah.

00:43:43.100 Well,

00:43:43.360 we,

00:43:43.520 we've been facing before they were trying to shut,

00:43:46.040 shut the program down.

00:43:47.540 Uh,

00:43:48.020 we knew who they were.

00:43:48.920 Uh,

00:43:49.140 I'm not going to say their,

00:43:50.020 their names,

00:43:50.600 obviously.

00:43:51.240 Um,

00:43:51.840 but I knew who some of these people were,

00:43:53.620 uh,

00:43:54.460 and they were very,

00:43:55.740 very religious.

00:43:56.440 They wore their religion on their sleeve.

00:43:58.120 Um,

00:43:58.620 and everybody knew it.

00:43:59.920 And there are,

00:44:00.840 there are examples in the Pentagon that you can look back historically of individuals

00:44:05.820 who are,

00:44:06.660 are devout and they make decisions,

00:44:09.280 um,

00:44:10.140 based upon their faith.

00:44:11.500 And again,

00:44:12.080 I,

00:44:12.280 I don't personally necessarily agree with that,

00:44:14.400 but I also don't necessarily fault them for it.

00:44:16.160 And so the,

00:44:16.660 the Collins elite,

00:44:17.820 I going back to this secret society,

00:44:19.540 I don't want to be a conspiratorial because I don't know if it's necessarily a

00:44:23.980 formal secret society.

00:44:25.160 That's what they're referred to as.

00:44:26.580 It could be just a loose affiliation of like-minded individuals,

00:44:29.960 uh,

00:44:31.060 that,

00:44:31.660 um,

00:44:32.120 for whatever reason,

00:44:32.820 don't like this topic or like to influence national security decisions or

00:44:36.580 recommendations based upon their faith.

00:44:38.780 Um,

00:44:39.300 I,

00:44:39.560 I don't know.

00:44:40.140 I,

00:44:40.460 I don't know enough about the organization to,

00:44:42.760 to say definitively.

00:44:44.220 Um,

00:44:44.700 but there is a,

00:44:46.520 there is a strong alliance with some of those individuals.

00:44:49.160 And if something is against their,

00:44:51.200 you know,

00:44:52.960 their,

00:44:53.620 their perspective,

00:44:54.800 then they,

00:44:55.320 they tend to become very vocal about it.

00:44:58.760 Hmm.

00:44:59.840 Um,

00:45:00.540 let's go into some of the,

00:45:01.860 the weird stuff,

00:45:02.900 uh,

00:45:03.520 that I think is weirder than this.

00:45:05.580 Um,

00:45:06.540 uh,

00:45:07.100 skin Walker ranch.

00:45:08.180 I'm at my ranch right now and skin Walker ranch is not far away.

00:45:12.640 Um,

00:45:13.240 and the people in this area are very fascinated by skin Walker ranch because

00:45:21.180 it's Indian lore,

00:45:23.460 uh,

00:45:23.980 native American lore,

00:45:24.980 and also lore,

00:45:27.500 you know,

00:45:28.460 stories that have been passed down and been told,

00:45:31.220 you know,

00:45:32.060 around campfires or,

00:45:33.760 you know,

00:45:34.140 serious,

00:45:35.000 you know,

00:45:35.400 people talking over a cup of coffee,

00:45:37.200 you know,

00:45:37.800 in the morning.

00:45:38.920 Um,

00:45:40.100 what is your,

00:45:41.800 uh,

00:45:42.500 relationship to skin Walker and,

00:45:44.720 and what can you tell us about it?

00:45:47.260 Yeah,

00:45:47.420 I don't have a real relationship with skin Walker.

00:45:49.800 When I first came into the program,

00:45:51.640 uh,

00:45:52.100 there were elements of the,

00:45:53.720 of our effort that were very focused on skin Walker.

00:45:56.100 So tangentially,

00:45:56.860 I,

00:45:57.240 I would read a report here and there.

00:45:59.860 Um,

00:46:00.680 look,

00:46:01.000 there's a lot of weirdness in this world.

00:46:02.980 And I,

00:46:03.400 and I think part of the problem is that we,

00:46:06.720 anything we can't explain,

00:46:08.040 we,

00:46:08.440 we,

00:46:08.660 we say is paranormal when in reality,

00:46:10.940 everything,

00:46:11.540 it by definition is paranormal until it becomes normal.

00:46:14.880 This cell phone 50 years ago would certainly be considered paranormal.

00:46:18.600 Um,

00:46:19.160 you know,

00:46:19.980 it's just something we,

00:46:21.020 we don't have an explanation for yet.

00:46:22.400 There is weird things in this world.

00:46:24.920 Um,

00:46:25.380 not just UFOs.

00:46:27.340 Uh,

00:46:28.320 you know,

00:46:28.560 there's that you're right.

00:46:29.400 The,

00:46:29.560 the,

00:46:29.740 the indigenous people of,

00:46:30.960 of,

00:46:31.380 of this continent have long reported skin walkers and windigos.

00:46:35.700 I live here near the,

00:46:36.840 near the crow nation.

00:46:37.720 Um,

00:46:38.800 and,

00:46:39.300 uh,

00:46:39.520 you know,

00:46:39.840 if you get them talking candidly,

00:46:41.400 they'll,

00:46:41.700 they'll tell you there's a deep belief in this.

00:46:43.900 And there's people who also report seeing and encountering strange things.

00:46:48.400 Um,

00:46:49.280 you know,

00:46:49.500 is it a natural phenomenon like ball lightning or,

00:46:51.880 or St.

00:46:52.720 Elmo's fire,

00:46:53.680 which could be,

00:46:54.580 um,

00:46:55.220 but maybe it's something else.

00:46:56.920 You know,

00:46:57.160 we're,

00:46:57.360 we're always,

00:46:58.420 we're always putting limitate.

00:46:59.740 Let me give you a perfect example of this.

00:47:01.260 Glenn,

00:47:01.720 if I may digress just for a quick second to kind of emphasize my point.

00:47:04.520 I went to school to study microbiology and immunology and,

00:47:08.680 um,

00:47:09.020 our species,

00:47:10.080 there are some scientists that will,

00:47:12.760 that will propose that our species has been here around in modern form,

00:47:16.500 homo sapien,

00:47:17.160 sapien between 100 and 200,000 years.

00:47:20.260 If that's the case,

00:47:21.700 um,

00:47:21.960 it was only 2000 years ago because of the Greeks.

00:47:24.380 We recognize there were two types of life form on this planet and you were

00:47:28.080 either a,

00:47:28.600 a plant or be an animal.

00:47:30.140 And it kind of wraps humans as being,

00:47:31.840 being,

00:47:32.260 you know,

00:47:32.680 within the animal kingdom.

00:47:33.600 Uh,

00:47:34.760 and it wasn't until 300 years ago,

00:47:36.880 only 300 years ago.

00:47:37.940 So if you look at a 24 hour clock and say 200,000 years ago is,

00:47:41.340 you know,

00:47:42.600 one zero in the morning,

00:47:44.380 right?

00:47:44.980 Uh,

00:47:45.220 it's only been roughly the last maybe 40 seconds,

00:47:48.380 uh,

00:47:49.420 towards midnight that we discovered another form of life that's been on this

00:47:53.200 planet all along.

00:47:54.140 And it's neither plant nor is it an animal.

00:47:56.200 And that's the world of fungus.

00:47:57.620 And so we pat ourselves on the shoulder.

00:47:59.940 And if you look at that 24 hour clock,

00:48:02.180 it's only been the last five seconds that we just discovered the true dominant

00:48:06.060 life form on this planet.

00:48:07.200 In fact,

00:48:07.520 if you take all the biomass of every plant and the biomass of every animal and the

00:48:11.360 biomass of every fungus and add it all up together,

00:48:13.940 it still does not add up to the true dominant alpha life form on this planet

00:48:19.520 that's been hidden all along.

00:48:20.740 And in fact,

00:48:21.900 it wasn't until we could have the technology to curve glass and look through a little metal

00:48:25.340 tube and famously shout little beasties,

00:48:27.800 little beasties,

00:48:28.940 did we discover the world of microorganisms.

00:48:31.540 And in fact,

00:48:32.060 they live inside of you.

00:48:33.260 They live on the skin of the ISS space station.

00:48:35.780 They live miles underneath the Arctic ice.

00:48:38.200 And we just discovered them.

00:48:39.960 We just now discovered the true dominant life form on this planet.

00:48:43.540 You know,

00:48:45.480 we're always learning something new about ourselves and about our place.

00:48:50.660 And the one thing that we were usually right on is that we're usually wrong at first in our

00:48:55.360 assumptions and presumptions.

00:48:57.640 And,

00:48:57.920 you know,

00:48:58.740 is it possible these things people say,

00:49:00.200 well,

00:49:00.380 it's impossible because a great distance of outer space,

00:49:02.920 these things never could,

00:49:03.860 they could never travel,

00:49:04.700 you know,

00:49:05.040 across the heavens.

00:49:07.240 Well,

00:49:07.520 is it possible these things are,

00:49:09.140 are just as natural to earth as we are?

00:49:11.080 Is it possible we're now at a point where technologically we're beginning to interact with them?

00:49:15.200 Is it possible that from the bottom of the ocean is if,

00:49:17.740 I mean,

00:49:17.860 all of these things are possibilities.

00:49:19.680 And so,

00:49:20.460 you know,

00:49:20.760 I,

00:49:21.020 I always try to encourage people,

00:49:22.840 we,

00:49:23.260 to,

00:49:23.400 to keep all options on the table until the,

00:49:25.920 until they're no longer on the table.

00:49:29.360 Can you tell me the difference between,

00:49:31.740 um,

00:49:33.520 AA,

00:49:34.300 WSAP,

00:49:35.440 and AATIP?

00:49:38.640 Yeah.

00:49:39.180 Depends who you ask and what day of the week.

00:49:41.080 Um,

00:49:41.520 I can tell you with my involvement,

00:49:42.840 when I came in,

00:49:43.780 the contract was under the auspices of OSAP.

00:49:46.660 Think of a big umbrella.

00:49:48.120 Um,

00:49:48.600 there was a smaller effort.

00:49:50.440 Yeah.

00:49:50.720 A WSAP,

00:49:51.940 OSAP.

00:49:52.420 And then there was a effort and that included Skinwalker Ranch.

00:49:55.680 Uh,

00:49:56.160 then there was a more focused,

00:49:58.180 nuanced effort that was focused primarily on military incursions of UAP.

00:50:02.920 And that was my focus.

00:50:04.220 That was my interest in that.

00:50:05.900 And so some of the folks that were working ASAP were also part of AATIP.

00:50:09.500 Uh,

00:50:09.780 some people will tell you that,

00:50:11.060 that AATIP was a nickname,

00:50:12.400 but it also became a very formal name.

00:50:14.280 And you can see that in the 2009 memo that Harry Reid wrote to the deputy secretary of defense,

00:50:19.640 Lynn,

00:50:20.140 where he talks about AATIP.

00:50:21.220 And P and AATIP means program,

00:50:23.440 advanced aerospace threat identification program.

00:50:26.140 Um,

00:50:26.540 you can see in other documentation that the Pentagon has as well,

00:50:30.980 that AATIP was a formalized program later on.

00:50:34.400 And in fact,

00:50:34.980 you had the undersecretary of defense for intelligence himself testifying before the American people saying that they reviewed the AATIP files and the blue book files,

00:50:44.900 uh,

00:50:45.060 another,

00:50:45.400 another UFO program of a predecessor to,

00:50:47.500 to OSAP and AATIP.

00:50:48.520 Um,

00:50:49.680 so it's,

00:50:50.640 you know,

00:50:50.980 really depends who you ask.

00:50:53.260 Some folks will tell you that AATIP was actually part of ASAP or others will say,

00:50:57.680 no,

00:50:58.560 it wasn't.

00:50:59.340 Um,

00:51:00.060 you know,

00:51:00.340 I,

00:51:00.640 I personally,

00:51:01.300 I can give you my perspective,

00:51:02.420 but I'm sure there's a hundred people out there that will tell you what their perspective is.

00:51:07.880 Um,

00:51:08.560 and you were the director of AATIP.

00:51:11.000 I was the senior ranking person.

00:51:13.080 I had my own staff that answered directly to me,

00:51:15.360 but it's also important to note,

00:51:16.800 Glenn,

00:51:16.940 that there are other individuals that I worked with that we were colleagues.

00:51:20.740 We were coworkers and they worked in other organizations,

00:51:22.980 other agencies.

00:51:24.100 They didn't necessarily report to me.

00:51:26.380 We worked together.

00:51:27.000 So I had my own staff at the undersecretary of defense for intelligence.

00:51:30.180 I was the director of national program,

00:51:31.920 special management staff.

00:51:33.000 And in that capacity,

00:51:34.280 I ran AATIP as a director for that,

00:51:36.800 those people.

00:51:37.480 But then there were other individuals,

00:51:39.120 colleagues that I worked with as well that weren't under me necessarily.

00:51:42.820 We worked,

00:51:43.220 we worked together.

00:51:44.280 Right.

00:51:44.720 Can you tell me about how you got recruited for this?

00:51:49.800 Yeah.

00:51:50.440 Um,

00:51:51.240 so,

00:51:51.980 uh,

00:51:52.260 I was,

00:51:52.740 uh,

00:51:53.040 I,

00:51:53.300 I was working at the director of national intelligence and,

00:51:55.900 uh,

00:51:56.260 the,

00:51:56.460 the commute was terrible.

00:51:58.180 My,

00:51:58.680 uh,

00:51:58.840 my wife and kids,

00:51:59.580 we decided to raise our kids on a little Island in the Chesapeake Bay away from

00:52:03.380 Washington,

00:52:03.920 DC,

00:52:04.200 just because we didn't want them around the hustle and bustle.

00:52:06.460 Wanted to try to give them some sort of normal life.

00:52:08.540 But my commute in some cases was three hours each way.

00:52:11.940 Right.

00:52:12.360 I,

00:52:12.800 it wasn't uncommon if I spent more hours in a car in a day than I did at work.

00:52:17.220 Uh,

00:52:18.000 so the commute was untenable for me.

00:52:20.020 So I was offered a position,

00:52:21.620 a temporary position to come back to the Pentagon for a little while and set up a

00:52:25.940 program for,

00:52:27.180 for taking national level intelligence information and defense intelligence,

00:52:30.760 information classified information and figure out a way to get it down to,

00:52:34.460 to local law enforcement.

00:52:35.640 After nine 11,

00:52:36.560 we realized it was a big problem.

00:52:38.220 There was all this information at the national level,

00:52:40.360 but the cops on the ground who needed that information weren't getting it.

00:52:43.460 So one of my job was to work with DHS and DOD and other agencies and figure out a way

00:52:47.760 to get classified information to people who don't necessarily have a security clearance.

00:52:52.840 So that's what I was brought there to do.

00:52:54.280 And shortly thereafter,

00:52:55.040 I was approached by a couple of folks who asked me to come in.

00:52:58.220 Um,

00:52:58.620 they came to my office first.

00:52:59.640 We talked a little bit of small talk.

00:53:01.380 Um,

00:53:01.780 they were very vague about,

00:53:03.100 uh,

00:53:03.580 the job.

00:53:04.280 And it wasn't until I met the program director at the time for all SAP,

00:53:08.480 Dr.

00:53:09.020 James Lekatsky,

00:53:10.000 uh,

00:53:10.280 by the way,

00:53:10.900 at the epitome of a rocket scientist.

00:53:12.320 I mean,

00:53:12.800 the absolute,

00:53:14.400 absolute,

00:53:14.800 probably one of the world's premier scientists on,

00:53:17.200 on aerospace and rockets.

00:53:18.860 He's,

00:53:19.200 he's far too humble to tell you that himself,

00:53:20.720 but he,

00:53:21.240 he really was and probably still is.

00:53:24.200 So a bit of a national treasure.

00:53:25.700 So I remember having a conversation with him in his office space,

00:53:29.180 um,

00:53:29.920 the Pentagon,

00:53:30.640 when I wrote the book,

00:53:31.660 I had it in there and they asked me to redact it.

00:53:33.740 So I had to take the location out,

00:53:35.040 but,

00:53:35.840 um,

00:53:36.520 I went to see him in his office and,

00:53:38.960 um,

00:53:39.640 he told me quite,

00:53:40.700 quite bluntly.

00:53:41.600 He just looked at me and said,

00:53:42.520 so what do you think about UFOs?

00:53:44.700 And so I answered him truthfully.

00:53:46.720 I said,

00:53:47.140 I don't.

00:53:48.120 And he said,

00:53:48.560 well,

00:53:48.660 what do you mean?

00:53:49.100 You do not believe in UFOs?

00:53:50.640 And I said,

00:53:50.920 no,

00:53:51.140 you didn't ask me that.

00:53:52.080 You,

00:53:52.280 you asked me,

00:53:52.960 what do I think of them?

00:53:54.380 And their answer is,

00:53:55.120 I don't think about them.

00:53:55.940 I'm too busy,

00:53:56.420 you know,

00:53:56.860 chasing bad guys and trying to get,

00:53:58.740 you know,

00:53:58.980 do another job.

00:54:00.460 Um,

00:54:00.920 and he said,

00:54:01.540 okay,

00:54:01.720 that's fair,

00:54:02.200 but don't let your,

00:54:03.440 uh,

00:54:03.460 he gave me a warning and he said,

00:54:04.480 don't let your analytic bias ever get the best of you,

00:54:06.640 because you may learn things that are going to challenge your,

00:54:09.180 your,

00:54:09.380 your preconceived notions and your narratives of what,

00:54:12.080 of what things are and what things should be.

00:54:14.460 And,

00:54:14.980 um,

00:54:15.220 I found it very peculiar,

00:54:16.280 but,

00:54:16.860 um,

00:54:17.300 you know,

00:54:17.920 at the end,

00:54:18.360 he was absolutely right.

00:54:19.340 I mean,

00:54:19.760 it was okay.

00:54:21.340 Um,

00:54:22.620 it's,

00:54:23.080 uh,

00:54:23.180 it was an honor and privilege.

00:54:24.060 I had a really good chance to,

00:54:25.180 to meet and work with some amazing human beings.

00:54:27.880 Uh,

00:54:28.240 it wasn't always easy.

00:54:29.160 I had two terrible portfolios at the Pentagon.

00:54:31.560 I was running.

00:54:32.600 I had,

00:54:33.340 I kind of joke sometimes I had HVD,

00:54:36.100 high value detainees,

00:54:37.020 and I had,

00:54:37.480 uh,

00:54:37.780 UFOs,

00:54:38.620 right?

00:54:38.780 The two,

00:54:39.100 the two worst portfolios one could ever,

00:54:42.200 both of them were,

00:54:43.100 were,

00:54:43.400 you know,

00:54:43.860 one of them would have been terrible enough to run in the Pentagon.

00:54:46.280 Uh,

00:54:46.840 both were just,

00:54:47.780 you know,

00:54:48.260 uh,

00:54:48.920 probably professional suicide,

00:54:51.060 if you know what I mean.

00:54:51.940 Um,

00:54:52.440 yeah,

00:54:52.760 but,

00:54:53.240 uh,

00:54:53.500 you know,

00:54:53.840 I,

00:54:54.040 I didn't,

00:54:55.140 it was,

00:54:55.480 uh,

00:54:55.980 and look,

00:54:56.340 let's,

00:54:56.620 let's not forget that now the U S government has an official UFO program called

00:55:00.900 arrow.

00:55:01.400 You have legislation,

00:55:02.880 uh,

00:55:03.420 that has come out,

00:55:04.160 landmark legislation over the last couple of years,

00:55:06.200 and there's new legislation coming out,

00:55:08.340 right?

00:55:08.760 So the government's taking this seriously.

00:55:11.020 Whistleblowers now are,

00:55:12.060 are there's legislation to try to protect them.

00:55:14.540 Congress is now being informed.

00:55:16.200 Uh,

00:55:16.560 and let's,

00:55:17.420 you know,

00:55:17.640 let's,

00:55:17.980 let's look at the reality here.

00:55:19.400 The moment we start,

00:55:20.280 you know,

00:55:20.720 uh,

00:55:21.200 taking our radar systems and recalibrating them to,

00:55:23.840 I don't know,

00:55:24.120 maybe look for UFOs.

00:55:25.120 What happens?

00:55:25.520 We start seeing Chinese spy balloons wafting over Northern continental United States,

00:55:30.940 just collecting intelligence and information,

00:55:32.820 right?

00:55:33.480 Meanwhile,

00:55:33.960 I've been telling everybody,

00:55:34.700 Oh no,

00:55:35.060 there's nothing in the skies.

00:55:36.340 We've got everything under control.

00:55:38.540 Every time there's a new UFO report,

00:55:41.420 annual report going to Congress,

00:55:42.680 there's more and more and more unresolved issues,

00:55:45.720 right?

00:55:46.440 Talk to the fighter pilots.

00:55:47.520 I'll tell you,

00:55:47.920 in some cases,

00:55:49.020 these UAPF come so close to their,

00:55:50.840 to their aircraft.

00:55:51.520 They have literally split the com the combat formation right down the middle.

00:55:56.160 Wow.

00:55:56.540 I mean,

00:55:56.780 that's an air safety issue,

00:55:57.980 right?

00:55:58.240 And this is,

00:55:59.000 this is real.

00:55:59.760 This is a problem.

00:56:01.040 Uh,

00:56:01.400 the Pentagon has already said for the record that they can't explain a lot of

00:56:04.060 these things.

00:56:04.880 Uh,

00:56:05.240 some of these things do not have any type of prosaic explanation and they

00:56:08.540 appear to be maneuvering,

00:56:10.380 uh,

00:56:11.220 in capability,

00:56:11.900 in a way,

00:56:12.820 uh,

00:56:13.260 with capabilities that exceed anything we have in our inventory.

00:56:16.540 So,

00:56:17.180 I mean,

00:56:17.440 that's,

00:56:17.800 that's your government telling you that that's not,

00:56:19.720 that's not me telling you that they said that for,

00:56:21.500 for the record.

00:56:23.780 Most self-defense situations can be handled with a gun,

00:56:27.420 but that doesn't mean they all should be handled with a gun.

00:56:30.360 I believe wholeheartedly in the second amendment.

00:56:32.860 I'm a gun owner.

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00:57:36.400 So our government has been involved in,

00:57:44.520 in so many things,

00:57:45.940 sometimes really good things,

00:57:47.360 sometimes really dark things.

00:57:49.220 Uh,

00:57:49.560 absolutely.

00:57:50.080 And we've done horrible things to our fellow fellow man.

00:57:53.120 Horrible,

00:57:53.760 horrible.

00:57:54.440 I mean,

00:57:54.740 look at the syphilis experiments,

00:57:56.180 right?

00:57:56.360 I mean,

00:57:56.680 we let human beings die.

00:57:58.320 I mean,

00:57:58.480 this is,

00:57:59.060 it's,

00:57:59.380 it's appalling,

00:58:00.700 you know?

00:58:00.960 So when people say,

00:58:01.860 Oh,

00:58:02.080 you know,

00:58:02.360 we would never do that.

00:58:03.440 Oh,

00:58:03.960 we've done a hell of a lot worse than that.

00:58:05.640 You know,

00:58:06.060 trust me.

00:58:07.200 Yeah.

00:58:07.780 Yeah.

00:58:07.980 Yeah.

00:58:08.660 Um,

00:58:09.060 but you were in a project,

00:58:10.560 uh,

00:58:10.960 called project Stargate.

00:58:13.080 Can you,

00:58:13.720 can you talk about Stargate?

00:58:15.500 Yeah.

00:58:15.860 So let me be very clear.

00:58:17.420 Stargate at that point had,

00:58:18.920 had supposedly ended what there was with these vestigial pockets of individuals who were part of

00:58:24.620 that program that were trying to revamp.

00:58:26.360 To basically bring it back.

00:58:29.980 Rebirth.

00:58:30.520 Yeah.

00:58:30.820 Rebirth.

00:58:31.240 Bring it back.

00:58:31.900 Um,

00:58:32.820 and so Stargate started,

00:58:34.720 uh,

00:58:35.440 quite some time,

00:58:36.040 several decades ago in the late sixties and early seventies by a gentleman named Dr.

00:58:40.960 Hal Puthoff.

00:58:41.880 Dr.

00:58:42.140 Hal Puthoff,

00:58:43.120 uh,

00:58:43.320 had worked for various intelligence agencies.

00:58:45.160 I worked for Stanford university and the CIA was very interested,

00:58:49.820 interested in trying to gain a strategic advantage over the Russians.

00:58:53.040 We knew that the Russians have what they call a psychic espionage,

00:58:56.240 a program.

00:58:57.040 We knew that.

00:58:57.960 So we wanted to have a psychic espionage program.

00:59:01.920 And so Hal Puthoff was one of the guys who created it.

00:59:04.020 It's a true story.

00:59:04.840 It did.

00:59:05.180 You can look it up and it was called operation Stargate.

00:59:07.420 And before that it was grill flame.

00:59:08.620 And before that had a bunch of other names,

00:59:09.840 it bounced back and forth between,

00:59:12.500 uh,

00:59:12.940 CIA,

00:59:13.740 DIA,

00:59:14.540 INSCOM,

00:59:15.320 uh,

00:59:16.440 intelligence security command.

00:59:18.020 Um,

00:59:18.640 and they were recruiting,

00:59:20.240 um,

00:59:20.900 soldiers to,

00:59:22.580 uh,

00:59:23.260 who apparently displayed a certain type of level of,

00:59:25.560 of a gift,

00:59:26.660 uh,

00:59:26.920 cognitive gift to spy on the Russians,

00:59:30.120 um,

00:59:30.520 using psychic power.

00:59:31.980 Now,

00:59:32.080 before we kind of say,

00:59:32.860 Oh,

00:59:32.900 that's silly.

00:59:33.840 Look,

00:59:34.180 law enforcement agencies to this day still use psychics and they're recovering

00:59:37.240 people.

00:59:37.600 They're finding,

00:59:38.360 they're finding dead bodies.

00:59:39.820 They're finding people alive.

00:59:41.740 Um,

00:59:42.140 you know,

00:59:42.500 I'm not going to say it's,

00:59:43.400 it's not strange,

00:59:44.540 but it's effective.

00:59:45.900 We know it's effective.

00:59:47.040 In fact,

00:59:47.380 there's,

00:59:47.600 there's,

00:59:48.160 if you look at the history of Stargate,

00:59:49.600 you'll see there were some incredible moments where the fidelity of

00:59:52.880 information,

00:59:53.980 what we,

00:59:54.540 even,

00:59:54.880 we couldn't,

00:59:55.420 even our best satellites couldn't pinpoint in one case,

00:59:58.260 a,

00:59:58.540 uh,

00:59:58.800 there was a crashed Soviet supersonic,

01:00:00.560 uh,

01:00:00.960 aircraft,

01:00:01.500 test aircraft that crashed over Africa.

01:00:03.100 And we couldn't find it.

01:00:04.700 And it took a couple of remote viewers and they were able to locate the,

01:00:08.660 uh,

01:00:08.880 the aircraft.

01:00:09.840 So it,

01:00:10.560 it,

01:00:10.800 it does look how it works.

01:00:11.920 I'm not sure anybody really knows yet.

01:00:13.780 Um,

01:00:13.980 I do not think it's paranormal at all.

01:00:16.740 I think it's probably involved in quantum mechanics,

01:00:20.700 quantum physics.

01:00:21.380 If you talk to a lot of neuros neuroscientists now,

01:00:23.920 they'll tell you that they believe human consciousness is actually a

01:00:26.600 quantum process.

01:00:27.660 And if you understand that,

01:00:28.980 then it's not such a big leap to understand the,

01:00:32.320 you know,

01:00:32.580 what,

01:00:32.980 what we refer to as psychic,

01:00:34.540 it's really just a,

01:00:36.020 it's something that a lot of people do,

01:00:37.820 um,

01:00:38.780 you know,

01:00:39.180 quite often.

01:00:40.000 It's funny.

01:00:40.560 Cause it's,

01:00:41.140 uh,

01:00:41.720 I don't know if you,

01:00:42.820 if you know this,

01:00:43.540 but there was a program,

01:00:44.840 uh,

01:00:45.940 in Germany and,

01:00:47.960 uh,

01:00:48.520 Hitler released some of the gypsies and,

01:00:51.480 uh,

01:00:51.860 some others from prisons,

01:00:53.340 um,

01:00:54.480 that had quote psychic ability.

01:00:56.860 And they,

01:00:57.960 one of them was a diviner and,

01:01:00.880 uh,

01:01:01.280 they drew a giant picture of the oceans on the floor and he would divine where

01:01:07.340 the,

01:01:08.240 uh,

01:01:08.700 where the subs were,

01:01:09.760 where the American sides were and the enemies and the ships.

01:01:12.720 Um,

01:01:14.120 he turned after a lot of money and a lot of time,

01:01:16.660 he turned out to be a complete fraud and went back to the concentration camp and was

01:01:20.840 killed.

01:01:21.620 Um,

01:01:22.180 but,

01:01:22.680 uh,

01:01:23.060 people have been trying to do this for a long time.

01:01:25.800 Yeah.

01:01:26.100 And they have.

01:01:27.080 And so early in my,

01:01:28.780 my civilian career,

01:01:29.880 um,

01:01:30.360 there was a gentleman,

01:01:31.480 uh,

01:01:32.320 Gene Lessman,

01:01:33.200 a,

01:01:33.540 uh,

01:01:34.000 incredible guy.

01:01:34.960 I go to his whole background in the book.

01:01:37.500 Uh,

01:01:37.820 and he was in the early stages of the recruitment was,

01:01:40.760 was teaching me the,

01:01:42.620 these skills.

01:01:43.520 I had no idea what it was for.

01:01:44.980 I had no idea what he was doing.

01:01:46.760 Uh,

01:01:47.120 and then just one day out of the blue,

01:01:48.980 he was like,

01:01:49.220 okay,

01:01:49.640 um,

01:01:50.140 you know,

01:01:50.440 it's gone.

01:01:50.940 You're going to be,

01:01:51.600 uh,

01:01:51.800 you're going to be getting this assignment to,

01:01:54.120 uh,

01:01:54.600 to Latin America.

01:01:55.280 And I never heard anything afterwards.

01:01:56.620 And it was really strange the whole time.

01:01:58.260 Actually,

01:01:58.540 we were talking,

01:01:59.160 I wasn't sure if he was just trying to assess me psychologically,

01:02:02.060 maybe am I prone to fights of flights of fancy.

01:02:05.220 It wasn't until later that I realized that what he was doing was getting me prepared

01:02:10.240 for the next iteration,

01:02:12.180 uh,

01:02:12.700 or the follow on to Stargate,

01:02:14.160 which never happened.

01:02:15.460 There was just no funding for Congress had pulled the funding.

01:02:18.360 Uh,

01:02:18.760 but it's fascinating.

01:02:19.640 It's fascinating.

01:02:20.160 And,

01:02:20.340 you know,

01:02:20.420 I'm not going to sit here and tell you I was,

01:02:21.520 I was great at it.

01:02:22.420 You know,

01:02:22.920 there's a lot of people out there that have,

01:02:24.400 uh,

01:02:25.420 skills far better than that.

01:02:27.140 And then I,

01:02:27.480 I certainly ever did.

01:02:28.600 Um,

01:02:29.340 but it's,

01:02:30.080 it is interesting.

01:02:31.140 Go ahead.

01:02:31.860 You talk in the book that you can remote view or have.

01:02:35.980 Yeah.

01:02:36.380 And,

01:02:36.520 but I think,

01:02:37.540 you know,

01:02:37.760 a lot of people do that when,

01:02:39.760 for example,

01:02:40.240 when you're out of town and maybe friend or your child calls,

01:02:44.720 you're like,

01:02:45.020 man,

01:02:45.160 you know,

01:02:45.360 I was just thinking about you.

01:02:46.260 I was just about to call you.

01:02:47.760 Um,

01:02:48.900 that is an example of what that connection may be through,

01:02:52.680 through maybe perhaps it's quantum entanglement.

01:02:55.020 You know,

01:02:55.460 you,

01:02:55.640 you start the human brain gives off brainwaves.

01:02:59.280 That's how we know somebody is clinically dead or not.

01:03:01.300 Okay.

01:03:01.460 So that's,

01:03:01.860 that's,

01:03:02.160 there's electro bio biochemical processes that occur that become bioelectric

01:03:06.060 processes.

01:03:06.900 Uh,

01:03:07.380 we transmit all the time.

01:03:09.040 In fact,

01:03:09.400 there is recently a YouTube video of a gentleman who I believe is

01:03:13.020 quadriplegic and they fit this helmet onto him.

01:03:16.100 And now he's playing call of duty,

01:03:17.960 uh,

01:03:18.980 simply with his brain.

01:03:20.380 Right.

01:03:20.640 So we know that's a fact people give off brainwaves and it's possible that

01:03:25.380 potentially people can,

01:03:26.880 as we transmit,

01:03:28.100 maybe some people are more in tune and can,

01:03:29.660 can receive them.

01:03:30.660 I don't know how it works.

01:03:32.280 I'm,

01:03:32.520 I'm,

01:03:32.820 I'm certainly not a scientist or when I qualified to even think how it

01:03:38.240 works,

01:03:38.440 but I would,

01:03:38.860 you know,

01:03:39.040 someone like Hal Pudolf would be a great person to talk to because he

01:03:42.620 can tell you everything about that program and what the gaming

01:03:46.320 theories are and why it works.

01:03:48.600 And remote viewing though,

01:03:49.820 is the idea that you can remotely see things.

01:03:54.440 You can go places.

01:03:55.940 You could be in the,

01:03:57.560 you know,

01:03:58.060 the things separated by space.

01:04:00.660 It's in time.

01:04:01.360 Now that is the definition of it.

01:04:03.340 Um,

01:04:03.740 you know,

01:04:04.020 it's,

01:04:04.620 there's also compelling information to say that,

01:04:06.720 you know,

01:04:07.020 people say,

01:04:07.480 well,

01:04:07.660 as much as it works,

01:04:08.440 it also doesn't work.

01:04:09.520 And,

01:04:10.040 you know,

01:04:10.200 they're right.

01:04:10.640 They're right.

01:04:11.040 There's examples where it,

01:04:12.280 it fails miserably.

01:04:13.560 So,

01:04:14.020 um,

01:04:14.600 you know,

01:04:14.920 it,

01:04:15.240 it was never to be used as a tool,

01:04:18.060 uh,

01:04:18.440 as an exclusive means of collecting information.

01:04:20.520 It was just there to help hone in.

01:04:23.020 I suspect very much like why law enforcement to this day uses people who are

01:04:27.240 quote unquote psychics or whatever,

01:04:29.660 um,

01:04:30.740 to,

01:04:31.300 to help them in,

01:04:32.020 in investigations.

01:04:33.340 Um,

01:04:33.860 again,

01:04:34.240 that why I was not really exposed to it for very long.

01:04:37.980 So I'm certainly not an expert in it.

01:04:40.040 Um,

01:04:40.440 I,

01:04:41.140 you know,

01:04:42.140 saw some things and was,

01:04:43.340 was privy to some things,

01:04:44.320 but there's organizations of people out there that could probably give you a

01:04:47.680 much better comprehensive understanding of,

01:04:49.820 of how it works and,

01:04:51.060 and if we're still using it and whatnot.

01:04:53.960 Tell,

01:04:54.660 tell the audience what you say about when you were briefed in the skiff,

01:04:58.520 um,

01:04:59.720 from the,

01:05:00.480 your,

01:05:01.020 your main scientist on how they think UAPs work with,

01:05:05.680 uh,

01:05:05.840 I think you call them warp bubbles.

01:05:08.600 Yeah.

01:05:09.140 And actually that wasn't my,

01:05:10.160 my,

01:05:10.460 my term,

01:05:11.180 um,

01:05:11.700 the U S government.

01:05:12.700 So let's,

01:05:13.040 let's kind of backtrack here just a little bit.

01:05:15.600 Let's rewind.

01:05:16.740 Um,

01:05:17.280 one of the arguments is that the,

01:05:19.500 that the vastness of space is so great,

01:05:21.800 uh,

01:05:22.740 and that we cannot break the,

01:05:24.520 the universal speed limit of the speed of light,

01:05:27.260 that it would take centuries,

01:05:29.760 if not millennia for a life form to get here.

01:05:32.460 It's just the,

01:05:33.200 the vastness of space is too big.

01:05:35.780 Um,

01:05:36.180 there are some theories,

01:05:37.480 theories that kind of shortcut that.

01:05:39.660 Cause we know we can't go faster than the speed of light.

01:05:41.480 But if you look at the theories of what they call an Alcubierry drive,

01:05:45.020 um,

01:05:45.700 you can compress and stretch a space time to a degree that allows you to go

01:05:50.920 travel faster than light without actually having to break the speed of light

01:05:55.320 speed limit.

01:05:55.940 Now I know it sounds kind of strange,

01:05:57.320 but if you look at how this theory works,

01:05:59.660 it makes sense.

01:06:00.900 In essence,

01:06:01.540 you create a bubble around yourself,

01:06:03.680 uh,

01:06:04.700 and you can compress space time in front of you while space time is being in

01:06:10.280 essence,

01:06:10.660 elongated behind you.

01:06:11.720 And so you move within this bubble.

01:06:14.180 What is space time?

01:06:15.500 Um,

01:06:15.820 because people will say,

01:06:17.060 well,

01:06:17.300 you're kind of hurting my head here,

01:06:18.520 Lou.

01:06:18.780 What do you mean space time is flexible?

01:06:21.280 There were three types of physics,

01:06:22.580 uh,

01:06:22.980 models.

01:06:23.440 Um,

01:06:23.640 the first was Newtonian physics,

01:06:24.820 really during the Renaissance,

01:06:25.820 it was Newton who really understood the relationship,

01:06:28.540 uh,

01:06:29.180 and the observations of physical matter in a physical world,

01:06:32.200 right?

01:06:32.460 Force equals mass times acceleration.

01:06:34.280 I put enough energy into this and it's going to go this direction.

01:06:37.100 It's going to stay in that direction until it's entered by an outside force,

01:06:39.880 et cetera.

01:06:40.680 Then along comes Einstein,

01:06:41.560 uh,

01:06:41.860 Einstein who proposes that space and time,

01:06:44.020 the very fabric of space time is connected.

01:06:47.200 We look at this empty space and so there's nothing here.

01:06:50.360 And there's,

01:06:50.920 but,

01:06:51.260 but if you can imagine that the very volume of space that,

01:06:55.060 that you let's say draw a magic cube and say,

01:06:57.400 okay,

01:06:57.520 here's space.

01:06:58.060 It's flexible.

01:06:59.840 And,

01:07:00.040 and a lot of people say,

01:07:01.620 well,

01:07:01.740 I don't understand.

01:07:02.700 Well,

01:07:02.860 we've observed it.

01:07:03.920 We know that's a fact because right now the earth is warping space time.

01:07:08.720 And in fact,

01:07:09.200 what we call gravity,

01:07:10.160 which is that that's not really gravity.

01:07:12.360 That's an effect of gravity.

01:07:14.580 What this is,

01:07:15.240 is simply the warping of space time.

01:07:17.120 And so,

01:07:18.080 uh,

01:07:18.460 the objects come together.

01:07:21.420 If you could,

01:07:22.340 the scientists at,

01:07:23.460 at,

01:07:23.820 at ATEP came forward and said,

01:07:25.580 look,

01:07:26.000 um,

01:07:26.280 for all these years,

01:07:26.880 we've been trying to find,

01:07:28.060 the different exotic technologies that can explain the peculiar performance

01:07:32.640 characteristics of UAP.

01:07:34.240 In essence,

01:07:35.900 how do UAP fly,

01:07:37.020 right?

01:07:37.220 And what are all the technology,

01:07:38.620 technologies you would need to do it?

01:07:40.840 It was in 2015,

01:07:41.760 where they had this revelatory moment where they realized the five fundamental

01:07:46.460 observables of UAP,

01:07:47.880 which were hypersonic velocity,

01:07:50.480 instantaneous acceleration,

01:07:52.040 low observability,

01:07:53.240 trans medium travel,

01:07:54.240 and in the vernacular,

01:07:55.320 anti-gravity,

01:07:56.260 um,

01:07:57.360 were all possible.

01:07:58.440 if you could do one thing.

01:08:00.500 And I just want to emphasize,

01:08:01.940 this wasn't my theory.

01:08:02.920 This were the theories,

01:08:03.820 but positive by our,

01:08:04.920 our,

01:08:05.140 our scientists.

01:08:06.280 Right.

01:08:06.640 And they said,

01:08:07.140 basically,

01:08:07.560 if you could insulate,

01:08:08.420 you create a bubble around you in a localized area that insulated yourself from the effects

01:08:13.320 of space time,

01:08:14.240 then the way people would perceive you inside that bubble would be different than the way

01:08:19.880 you perceive space time.

01:08:21.560 Meaning for example,

01:08:22.900 if you were to eliminate all the effects of,

01:08:25.280 of earth's gravity and space time around you,

01:08:28.380 and you can manipulate space time in a localized area,

01:08:32.360 what for you is just a walk in the park,

01:08:34.400 maybe taking a stroll down the road to me,

01:08:37.100 I would see you going in,

01:08:39.660 in a,

01:08:40.120 in a,

01:08:40.660 in super fat speed.

01:08:41.880 So I'm going to,

01:08:42.380 let me give you an example here.

01:08:43.840 I'm glad I'm not an artist,

01:08:45.160 but let me see if I can make this a little easier.

01:08:48.460 So,

01:08:49.300 um,

01:08:49.580 you're playing one on the podcast.

01:08:52.160 Yeah.

01:08:52.540 I'm going to pretend to be an artist and I'm going to draw it down too.

01:08:56.400 While you're doing that,

01:08:57.300 I've always understood space time as more of a map,

01:09:00.200 uh,

01:09:01.920 of,

01:09:02.460 of where you are.

01:09:04.940 Uh,

01:09:05.420 and you know,

01:09:06.800 it's a map.

01:09:07.420 Oh,

01:09:07.560 that's what you're drawing.

01:09:09.080 Yeah.

01:09:09.500 So in essence,

01:09:10.120 what you have,

01:09:10.820 this is a two dimensional representation of space time.

01:09:13.520 You have points a and B,

01:09:15.220 and let's say I fly from LA to Baltimore and it takes me five hours.

01:09:19.340 And 2000 miles to do it.

01:09:21.000 And that's usually expressed as a function of distance over time.

01:09:25.500 Right.

01:09:26.000 And you can express that linearly,

01:09:27.320 but if you have the ability to compress space time,

01:09:30.380 a little bit in front of you,

01:09:31.500 all of a sudden now your distance between a and B is,

01:09:37.280 is shortened significantly.

01:09:38.440 Right.

01:09:39.240 Correct.

01:09:39.780 And so it's kind of like,

01:09:40.960 uh,

01:09:41.460 uh,

01:09:41.960 uh,

01:09:42.460 an Einstein wormhole,

01:09:44.180 isn't it?

01:09:45.520 Yeah.

01:09:45.760 It's really the same principle of a black hole.

01:09:48.040 So black hole is nothing more than extreme earth or an extreme sun where the

01:09:52.400 gravity is,

01:09:53.600 is,

01:09:54.120 is so great that it literally rips a hole in space time itself.

01:09:58.740 Um,

01:09:59.300 everything,

01:10:00.000 every,

01:10:00.460 everything that has mass and volume has gravity of some sort and warps,

01:10:06.620 distorts space time.

01:10:08.500 And so the scientists said,

01:10:10.560 Hey,

01:10:10.640 look,

01:10:11.460 um,

01:10:11.760 if you could create this bubble,

01:10:12.780 then you would be able to do things that seem like magic to the outside.

01:10:16.400 Those of us watching it.

01:10:17.600 But in reality,

01:10:18.240 it's,

01:10:19.220 it's just advanced physics and it's,

01:10:21.720 uh,

01:10:22.500 just a rather lengthy,

01:10:24.460 um,

01:10:25.480 mathematical formula,

01:10:26.360 but folks like Hal Puthoff and others were the ones who came up with a

01:10:30.480 theory.

01:10:30.960 And it was kind of this unifying theory for the first time that the

01:10:34.180 government had that explained,

01:10:35.280 okay,

01:10:35.420 well maybe this is how they're working.

01:10:37.320 And in fact,

01:10:37.860 may even explain the shapes and the morphology of UFOs from small

01:10:41.440 lenticular,

01:10:42.300 you know,

01:10:43.200 think of a sports car,

01:10:45.100 maybe a whole three or four people.

01:10:46.420 You need something bigger.

01:10:47.660 Well,

01:10:47.760 you could put two discs together,

01:10:49.100 but really end to end,

01:10:50.200 but that's more of a cigar shape,

01:10:51.660 right?

01:10:51.900 So,

01:10:52.140 okay,

01:10:52.320 you got,

01:10:52.640 you got two bubbles now.

01:10:53.440 And then if I want something really big,

01:10:55.380 I could go out 90 degrees,

01:10:56.800 uh,

01:10:57.240 put another bubble maker here and that's your triangle,

01:11:00.900 the larger triangle craft.

01:11:02.800 Um,

01:11:03.160 so it was a very interesting theory.

01:11:04.540 And,

01:11:04.940 um,

01:11:05.180 the scientists came up with that and it,

01:11:07.220 you know,

01:11:07.320 made a lot of sense to,

01:11:08.800 to the other scientists.

01:11:10.480 Do you think that's where we're at now?

01:11:13.200 Is that what we think it is?

01:11:15.340 I mean,

01:11:15.600 not saying that it's right,

01:11:16.760 but is that where we are?

01:11:18.480 Is that where we were when you were?

01:11:20.820 No,

01:11:21.120 that's well,

01:11:21.640 that's,

01:11:21.920 that's,

01:11:22.380 that's where we were.

01:11:23.480 And I,

01:11:23.920 I'm fairly confident that that theory that,

01:11:28.100 well,

01:11:28.380 it's more of a hypothesis,

01:11:29.260 I guess,

01:11:29.640 uh,

01:11:30.300 is,

01:11:30.700 is,

01:11:30.940 is still accurate.

01:11:32.140 Um,

01:11:32.900 but those are the,

01:11:33.580 you need,

01:11:33.840 you would need to act,

01:11:34.740 talk to the scientists about that.

01:11:36.220 People like how put off can,

01:11:37.280 can give you the specifics.

01:11:38.820 Yes,

01:11:39.000 that is the gaining theory,

01:11:40.320 but there may be other theories as well.

01:11:42.660 And like I said,

01:11:43.380 in the beginning,

01:11:44.460 all options have to be on the table until the,

01:11:46.620 they're no longer on the table.

01:11:47.560 I think this is at the end of the day,

01:11:49.460 it's just about fact finding and,

01:11:51.140 and looking at the observations,

01:11:52.760 look at the performance capabilities and try to see what type of physics is

01:11:56.940 required to,

01:11:58.220 to explain it.

01:11:59.880 Did,

01:12:00.380 did you see the theory on the missing,

01:12:02.220 um,

01:12:03.400 uh,

01:12:04.520 Malaysia airliner where it was,

01:12:08.080 have you seen that?

01:12:09.740 I've seen it.

01:12:10.620 And,

01:12:10.920 you know,

01:12:11.020 I'm always very careful for me,

01:12:13.180 Glenn,

01:12:13.400 because recently,

01:12:14.300 so look,

01:12:14.880 I'm a,

01:12:15.060 I'm a science guy,

01:12:15.740 right?

01:12:16.020 I've always just fought,

01:12:16.820 follow the science recently,

01:12:18.780 about three weeks ago,

01:12:21.060 Google,

01:12:21.660 someone on Wikipedia decided to label me as a quote unquote conspiracy theorist.

01:12:26.560 I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all.

01:12:28.220 That's just,

01:12:28.640 like someone trying to,

01:12:29.940 to,

01:12:30.280 to minimize,

01:12:31.100 you know,

01:12:31.440 this,

01:12:31.720 this topic and kind of chip away with the narrative.

01:12:34.260 Um,

01:12:34.740 I'm very careful to be,

01:12:37.200 to be open-minded about everything.

01:12:39.160 Um,

01:12:39.820 I know that the Malaysia airline,

01:12:42.120 there were some people that were claiming there was maybe some UAP involvement.

01:12:46.220 I don't know.

01:12:47.080 I did not,

01:12:47.660 I did not pursue it.

01:12:48.640 Um,

01:12:49.020 I know some of the people that I've talked to were dead,

01:12:51.560 dead,

01:12:51.860 dead,

01:12:52.340 dead for it and dead against it.

01:12:53.860 Something that's a complete nonsense.

01:12:54.960 It's fake.

01:12:55.720 Others said,

01:12:56.400 no,

01:12:56.540 that looks,

01:12:57.060 you know,

01:12:57.240 legit.

01:12:57.520 And I could not tell you that I have no idea.

01:13:00.340 I,

01:13:00.840 I,

01:13:01.140 I am not a,

01:13:02.940 I do not go down the conspiracy rabbit hole,

01:13:05.580 um,

01:13:06.720 very often simply because I,

01:13:08.740 I'm trying to remain open-minded towards everything if I can.

01:13:12.620 So when you left,

01:13:16.440 um,

01:13:17.620 why did you resign and,

01:13:19.420 and then decide to talk to the New York times?

01:13:21.760 And is that when the trouble started with the government?

01:13:26.840 Were they?

01:13:28.180 Yeah.

01:13:29.040 Yeah.

01:13:29.520 Um,

01:13:30.040 why did you resign?

01:13:31.040 Um,

01:13:31.220 why did you resign?

01:13:33.200 uh,

01:13:33.400 for years we were having these issues with UAP coming up close and personal to our,

01:13:40.440 our military equities to,

01:13:42.540 to the point where I remember an email,

01:13:44.760 uh,

01:13:45.400 uh,

01:13:45.620 from someone out in the fleet saying,

01:13:47.680 Hey man,

01:13:48.020 we're,

01:13:48.700 we real,

01:13:49.180 basically we can't keep people below deck forever.

01:13:51.200 These things are all over the ship.

01:13:52.340 What do you want us to do?

01:13:53.180 And time and time again,

01:13:54.360 yeah,

01:13:54.540 the Calvary's coming.

01:13:55.440 We're trying to get,

01:13:55.980 you know,

01:13:56.540 senior leadership involved.

01:13:57.600 We'll,

01:13:57.840 we'll,

01:13:57.980 we'll get you an answer.

01:13:59.040 And so I kept briefing senior leadership,

01:14:00.960 uh,

01:14:01.440 at the time my chain of command did not have a permanent USDI.

01:14:05.460 Uh,

01:14:05.960 that is a Senate approved Senate confirmed position.

01:14:09.320 Um,

01:14:09.760 and so the leadership at very senior levels did not want to tell Mattis,

01:14:14.460 um,

01:14:15.320 Jim Mattis about this topic.

01:14:17.260 Uh,

01:14:17.600 they wanted to wait till we had a permanent USDI,

01:14:19.880 had the chain of command work,

01:14:21.360 and then inform the boss and see if we could give a,

01:14:24.040 some sort of answer to the questions that,

01:14:27.600 they knew he was going to ask.

01:14:28.940 Right.

01:14:29.380 Um,

01:14:29.860 I had a chance to work with,

01:14:31.380 with Jim Mattis back in Afghanistan.

01:14:33.040 He's an incredible human being.

01:14:34.360 He's one of five people that if you,

01:14:35.960 he called me at four in the morning right now and said,

01:14:37.920 put your boots on and you need you to go to war.

01:14:39.780 I would do it.

01:14:40.940 Uh,

01:14:41.300 he's an incredible human being.

01:14:42.700 And if you know,

01:14:43.280 Jim Mattis,

01:14:43.780 he's a man who wants more information,

01:14:45.360 not less.

01:14:46.680 So,

01:14:47.220 uh,

01:14:47.580 we were briefing his seniors.

01:14:49.640 Um,

01:14:50.280 there was also an individual in my chain of command that was not

01:14:54.040 necessarily in my mind,

01:14:55.600 very trustworthy.

01:14:56.200 There were two open IG investigations against the individual.

01:15:00.220 So I could not brief him.

01:15:01.660 So I was,

01:15:02.380 I had to go around that individual.

01:15:04.620 And,

01:15:05.160 uh,

01:15:05.380 there's actually a story.

01:15:06.440 If you want to know what actually happened is called,

01:15:08.220 it was done,

01:15:08.800 I think by there by popular mechanics or the debrief,

01:15:10.760 it's called sex lies and UFOs.

01:15:12.680 But in there you can see what actually happened to me.

01:15:16.040 So,

01:15:16.300 um,

01:15:17.280 when I decided to leave the Pentagon,

01:15:19.360 I wrote a resignation letter that I knew they would not be able to stop.

01:15:22.480 They would not be able to legally keep it from the secretary of defense if I

01:15:26.600 addressed it to the secretary of defense.

01:15:28.660 Um,

01:15:29.080 so I did.

01:15:30.300 And,

01:15:30.780 uh,

01:15:30.940 that's when my trouble started.

01:15:32.520 Um,

01:15:33.240 I,

01:15:33.660 uh,

01:15:34.060 I think it was about a day later.

01:15:35.220 I was asked by Chris Mellon and a few others to have a meeting in crystal

01:15:39.320 city where I met somebody that turned out to be somebody from the New York

01:15:42.540 times.

01:15:43.540 And,

01:15:43.960 uh,

01:15:44.180 I was terrified and they said,

01:15:45.980 Hey,

01:15:46.100 look,

01:15:46.380 you know,

01:15:46.740 we know about the program.

01:15:47.720 We'd like to talk to you about it.

01:15:49.340 Um,

01:15:49.760 they were going to write a story anyways.

01:15:52.020 And,

01:15:52.500 um,

01:15:53.240 you know,

01:15:53.460 you,

01:15:53.680 at that point you have to make a decision.

01:15:54.860 Do you,

01:15:55.160 do you tell them your story and let them,

01:15:57.380 you know,

01:15:57.720 create their own narrative or do you give them your perspective?

01:16:00.720 So at least it's fair.

01:16:02.780 So I,

01:16:03.680 uh,

01:16:03.860 I told them what I could without,

01:16:05.220 uh,

01:16:05.700 getting into anything classified.

01:16:07.180 Um,

01:16:07.760 and then later,

01:16:08.680 uh,

01:16:09.000 Senator Harry Reed,

01:16:09.940 uh,

01:16:10.400 confirmed it,

01:16:11.140 confirmed the program.

01:16:12.220 Um,

01:16:12.580 and I think that's really what pushed it over the edge for New York times to

01:16:15.120 say,

01:16:15.440 Holy crap,

01:16:16.080 this is real.

01:16:16.680 I mean,

01:16:16.960 the Senator himself is,

01:16:18.280 is admitting it.

01:16:19.660 Uh,

01:16:20.020 and that's when my trouble started because my chain of command got very upset

01:16:22.760 with me for,

01:16:23.360 for breaking rank.

01:16:24.920 And,

01:16:25.260 um,

01:16:26.800 it was,

01:16:27.460 uh,

01:16:27.740 it was very,

01:16:28.360 very difficult.

01:16:28.660 It's still very difficult because there's still elements of that resistance in the

01:16:33.300 Pentagon that will continue to lie.

01:16:35.520 About what a tip was about,

01:16:37.140 what we did,

01:16:38.540 who we were to the point where the,

01:16:40.700 my good center,

01:16:41.260 my friend,

01:16:41.620 good friend,

01:16:41.980 the Senator had to actually write a memo.

01:16:43.860 Uh,

01:16:44.260 he wrote it to a journalist and I didn't even know about it till after it was released,

01:16:48.260 stating what for the record,

01:16:49.760 what my role was.

01:16:50.400 Right.

01:16:51.120 Uh,

01:16:51.480 and there's,

01:16:51.920 there's ample documentation that's,

01:16:53.480 that sustains to change what we were doing,

01:16:55.220 what our focus was and who I was.

01:16:57.540 And there's this continued effort to try to,

01:16:59.840 to feed misinformation to the American people.

01:17:02.260 And I got to tell you,

01:17:03.000 Glenn,

01:17:03.300 for me,

01:17:04.720 UAP aside,

01:17:05.560 UFOs aside,

01:17:06.340 that is not what motivates me.

01:17:09.380 What motivates me to have this conversation is three things,

01:17:13.480 transparency,

01:17:14.540 accountability,

01:17:15.340 and anti-corruption.

01:17:16.900 And,

01:17:17.440 you know,

01:17:17.920 when it comes to the government,

01:17:19.040 I,

01:17:19.360 I took an oath many years ago to defend this country from all enemies,

01:17:22.520 foreign and domestic.

01:17:23.340 And it turned out that the bureaucracy was part of the enemy.

01:17:26.840 Um,

01:17:27.300 and,

01:17:27.880 uh,

01:17:28.260 you know,

01:17:28.540 I,

01:17:28.840 I left the department strangely enough out of loyalty,

01:17:31.800 not disloyalty.

01:17:32.740 I'm actually just finishing the job they gave me in the first place.

01:17:35.320 That's,

01:17:35.680 that's all I'm doing and raising the alarm bells and making sure Congress is

01:17:39.640 informed because somewhere at some time,

01:17:42.100 someone in government,

01:17:42.900 someone in government decided to,

01:17:44.320 someone made the decision to,

01:17:45.540 to not tell Congress and not tell the chain of command.

01:17:49.860 And we live in a democracy.

01:17:51.480 And the moment you start doing that,

01:17:53.380 you start,

01:17:54.100 start what was,

01:17:55.560 what I consider as a corrupt act where you start making decisions against

01:18:00.180 your own,

01:18:00.920 um,

01:18:02.220 sense of,

01:18:03.020 of,

01:18:03.320 of your own moral compass,

01:18:04.760 right?

01:18:05.340 That you now have a corrupt behavior.

01:18:08.240 You're doing something that is corrupt for the benefit of your trading

01:18:10.940 something,

01:18:11.980 a value,

01:18:12.500 your values for something else in exchange.

01:18:14.540 It's a very slippery slope,

01:18:16.380 you know,

01:18:16.880 from democracy to tyranny.

01:18:18.560 That's,

01:18:19.080 this is,

01:18:19.540 this is,

01:18:19.880 this is,

01:18:19.900 yeah,

01:18:20.480 you have to have accountability.

01:18:23.920 And if it is your job,

01:18:25.640 it's,

01:18:25.920 we forget this is a government for the people and by the people.

01:18:28.820 And if you've forgotten that,

01:18:30.200 you need to get out of government.

01:18:31.160 That,

01:18:31.600 that you are a servant of the American people.

01:18:34.200 And if you are,

01:18:35.960 if you are not prepared to,

01:18:38.180 to do what is necessary in,

01:18:41.080 in to satisfy that oath,

01:18:42.660 then you got to get the hell out.

01:18:43.880 And this is not just with UFOs.

01:18:45.600 There's time and time again,

01:18:47.200 we see people making unilateral decisions.

01:18:49.260 Look,

01:18:49.500 you can only classify information for two reasons,

01:18:51.640 protect sources and protect methods.

01:18:53.320 You're not allowed to classify information to save embarrassment to the

01:18:56.100 government.

01:18:56.420 You're not allowed to save,

01:18:57.380 make things classified because the hide malfeasance.

01:19:00.140 And yes,

01:19:00.760 that is exactly what's happening.

01:19:02.080 People are abusing the system and they're making decisions on behalf of

01:19:05.720 members of Congress and the executive branch by themselves in a vacuum,

01:19:10.860 in a void.

01:19:11.680 And I think,

01:19:12.280 look,

01:19:13.180 if that's the way it's going to be,

01:19:14.420 then fine.

01:19:15.120 But then let the rest of the American people know,

01:19:16.880 because,

01:19:17.240 you know,

01:19:17.380 we know how to deal with that.

01:19:18.320 We've done it before.

01:19:19.320 We'll,

01:19:19.600 we'll deal with it again.

01:19:21.340 Be straight with the American people,

01:19:22.700 but don't lie.

01:19:23.380 Don't obfuscate.

01:19:24.100 Don't say,

01:19:24.580 you know,

01:19:24.860 this isn't true when you know it is true.

01:19:26.900 And the documentation is there because all you do,

01:19:29.300 is you destroy the credibility of the entire system,

01:19:32.300 of the entire apparatus.

01:19:33.400 And that erodes the very,

01:19:36.140 the very core of what democracy means.

01:19:38.360 And this is my,

01:19:39.420 this is what drives me every day to do what I do.

01:19:42.840 UFOs aside.

01:19:44.660 Yeah.

01:19:45.260 I think we're on the same page.

01:19:46.660 That's the same thing that drives me for most of my job.

01:19:50.400 Lou,

01:19:50.940 always great to talk to you.

01:19:52.420 Thank you.

01:19:53.280 Enjoyable book.

01:19:54.440 I still don't know what to think,

01:19:56.220 but thanks for being out there.

01:19:58.240 I appreciate it.

01:19:59.080 That's,

01:19:59.200 that's right.

01:19:59.620 Glenn,

01:19:59.800 I appreciate it.

01:20:00.620 And you know,

01:20:01.260 there's a,

01:20:01.740 there's,

01:20:02.340 you ever want to talk to some other folks,

01:20:04.180 let me know if your audience is interested.

01:20:06.460 Yeah.

01:20:07.140 My book is my,

01:20:07.980 you know,

01:20:08.300 it's my perspective and it got approved.

01:20:09.740 It took about a year,

01:20:10.480 but it went through the security process and it got approved by the Pentagon.

01:20:14.180 So hopefully anybody else who wants to come out and be a whistleblower and have a conversation

01:20:18.600 doesn't have to start from scratch anymore.

01:20:20.640 Right.

01:20:21.020 They can look at what happened.

01:20:21.720 I would love to.

01:20:22.300 If there's other whistleblowers,

01:20:25.520 I would love to hear from them.

01:20:27.700 Love to hear from them.

01:20:28.640 You know,

01:20:28.880 you should talk to a guy named Dave Bruch.

01:20:30.940 He's a good guy,

01:20:31.980 but Dave Bruch,

01:20:33.900 he testified before the American people about the topic and he is legit.

01:20:38.440 A hundred percent.

01:20:39.060 I worked with a guy.

01:20:40.300 He is who he says he is.

01:20:42.640 Interesting guy.

01:20:43.400 But anyways,

01:20:44.000 my honor and privilege,

01:20:45.180 Glenn,

01:20:45.360 as always,

01:20:45.840 thank you so much.

01:20:47.000 Enjoy your wonderful ranch.

01:20:48.260 I'm in Wyoming right now where I live.

01:20:52.060 So we're neighbors.

01:20:53.380 We are.

01:20:54.500 So anyways,

01:20:55.720 thank you very much for all that you do.

01:20:58.280 Thank you.

01:20:58.600 Take care.

01:20:58.940 God bless.

01:20:59.940 You bet.

01:21:00.260 You too.

01:21:00.540 God bless.

01:21:06.620 Just a reminder,

01:21:08.080 I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:21:18.060 I'll see you next time.

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01:21:20.060 Bye.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 07, 2024

Former Gov't UFO Hunter： Evidence We Are NOT Alone ｜ Luis Elizondo ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast ｜ Ep 226

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