The Glenn Beck Program - Ghislaine Maxwell is Found Guilty ｜ Guest Host： Justin Barclay ｜ 12⧸30⧸21

00:00:00.000 What you are about to hear, is the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:00:25.000 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:33.540 Good morning, folks.

00:00:36.900 It is Barclay back in for Beck today.

00:00:40.660 And boy, oh boy, do we have much to discuss.

00:00:45.060 Yeah, there's lots going on in the world.

00:00:46.560 And even though we take breaks and we take vacations at much needed at times, I got to tell you, yet we still, the world keeps moving.

00:00:55.300 Got to stay on top of it.

00:00:56.600 We do our best today.

00:00:57.360 We got big news out of the Maxwell verdict yesterday.

00:00:59.960 We get into that.

00:01:01.920 There is news, of course, out of Florida about the Biden administration playing politics.

00:01:07.100 Not them.

00:01:08.000 Not the Biden administration playing politics with your lives when it comes to treatment and the mandates and more.

00:01:15.620 We're going to get to all of it this morning.

00:01:17.080 Appreciate you being here.

00:01:18.120 Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today on the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:02:27.000 It's Justin Barclay and for Glimbeck today on the Glimbeck program.

00:02:46.340 And you can follow me, by the way, anywhere on all the social medias at Mr. Justin Barclay.

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00:02:55.100 So, love to hear from you.

00:02:57.140 The stories don't stop.

00:02:59.940 You take a break, you take a vacation.

00:03:01.840 It used to be, and I'm going to talk about this, but, you know, you'd have a little vacation

00:03:05.460 and the Christmas time, roll around, even Thanksgiving, and then you'd get to take a little break.

00:03:09.540 Well, you might.

00:03:11.440 You might even walk on the beach like Biden.

00:03:17.620 Joe and Joe were out on the beach.

00:03:19.060 I don't know if you saw this.

00:03:21.000 Joe and Joe were out on the beach.

00:03:23.000 Joe's got a mask.

00:03:23.940 They're all by themselves.

00:03:25.180 They got the dog.

00:03:26.540 I think his name's Commander, the German Shepherd.

00:03:29.520 And they're walking.

00:03:31.400 It's a romantic stroll on the white sandy beaches of, I think they're in Delaware, at his beach house.

00:03:39.840 As we still see record numbers of COVID cases.

00:03:45.040 All time record-breaking numbers in cases in the United States.

00:03:48.740 And this guy's strolling on a beach on vacation.

00:03:53.280 Far cry from the previous president.

00:03:56.040 There's a lot of people talking about how much golf he played.

00:03:59.020 But I think he worked, like, every day getting the job done.

00:04:01.940 Regardless of president's personalities and who you prefer, the reality is the numbers are higher.

00:04:10.760 The deaths, not just the cases, but the deaths now are higher under this president than the past.

00:04:16.260 But with this pandemic.

00:04:20.040 And this guy is walking out on the beach.

00:04:22.120 And one of the things that people caught, I think, right off the bat was he had a mask on.

00:04:27.980 The guy had us.

00:04:29.380 He had, like, a surgical mask on on the beach with his stroll.

00:04:33.800 Well, now, Jill didn't.

00:04:35.700 But the resident himself, I call him a resident because he, you know, I don't, he may live part-time at that big White House.

00:04:43.840 But I don't think he's really in charge.

00:04:46.560 I think there's other people pulling the strings.

00:04:48.060 But my point is, is, you know, the optics are one thing.

00:04:54.280 Who's in charge and what's happening?

00:04:57.540 That's another.

00:05:00.000 What's actually going down?

00:05:01.920 And will there really be accountability for any of the things that we see nowadays?

00:05:07.340 I saw a story.

00:05:09.860 And we'll get into this a little bit later on in the program.

00:05:12.200 But I saw a story about Fauci and how much the high priest of health is making.

00:05:19.460 And it's over 430-something thousand.

00:05:22.640 It had been out last year.

00:05:23.820 Maybe this year it's even more.

00:05:26.660 He had a 20,000 bump year to year from 19 to 20.

00:05:29.280 But that wasn't what really struck me.

00:05:33.740 He's the highest paid federal employee in the entire government.

00:05:40.380 He's the highest paid federal employee.

00:05:42.400 But they had a story about his pension the other day and how much he'll get paid.

00:05:48.820 It's incredible.

00:05:50.100 When Trump talked about the deep state or the swamp, this is what he meant.

00:05:57.700 He talked about these people who are just ingrained in the system.

00:06:01.020 They're not going anywhere.

00:06:01.800 There's no accountability.

00:06:03.040 And that's partially why we see a problem with this.

00:06:07.420 Not just in this situation, but all over, throughout government.

00:06:21.280 There's no accountability.

00:06:23.340 The government will do whatever it wants to do.

00:06:26.480 Whoever's in charge does whatever they want to do, regardless of what law says.

00:06:30.200 It's a post-law world that we live in.

00:06:36.160 And why?

00:06:37.160 I mean, why would there be any law?

00:06:39.980 Why would we follow any sort of moral code?

00:06:43.280 Why would we live up to any of the values or principles?

00:06:51.900 Who's going to do anything about it?

00:06:53.560 I mean, this resident has told everyone that they must go out and have a medical treatment done.

00:07:04.100 Whether you agree with this or not.

00:07:05.780 Look, I'm not anti-vaccine.

00:07:07.820 I'm just making the point.

00:07:11.880 He's told people, everyone, you're pregnant.

00:07:18.980 No, you got to go out and get it.

00:07:20.780 Get the jab. 0.70

00:07:21.360 Maybe you have previous issues in your health history.

00:07:27.680 And maybe it's not the best choice for you.

00:07:30.480 And you've discussed this with your doctor.

00:07:31.740 It doesn't matter.

00:07:33.000 Joe Biden knows best.

00:07:36.640 Now, the Supreme Court is set to take this up.

00:07:38.700 They say, what, January 7th?

00:07:40.040 I believe they'll hear oral arguments on this.

00:07:41.880 And we'll get a little bit more in-depth on what happens next there.

00:07:46.340 But I'm not holding my breath.

00:07:48.600 I don't know about you.

00:07:49.780 I think a lot of us are feeling this way and in the same boat these days because you've seen it time and time again.

00:07:55.360 You've seen issues with election integrity.

00:07:59.240 And there aren't any answers.

00:08:03.740 You've seen issues where the government themselves have ripped people off.

00:08:07.680 I mean, I've got a story here in Michigan that it's crazy.

00:08:10.700 The governor here, not only did she lock people down all throughout the chaos of the last couple of years, not only did she shut businesses down.

00:08:24.480 Tell mom and pops they couldn't operate.

00:08:26.380 While the big box stores stayed open and very profitable.

00:08:32.160 But she also told people what they could and couldn't buy at those stores. 0.89

00:08:35.200 It's incredible.

00:08:37.340 You could go to a weed shop.

00:08:39.320 Yes, because it's legal here.

00:08:41.160 The pot shop.

00:08:42.020 But you couldn't buy potted plants in a garden center.

00:08:45.360 At the big box store.

00:08:47.240 Seeds or anything like that.

00:08:48.700 To grow your own garden.

00:08:51.880 Liquor store wide open.

00:08:55.200 Folks told they needed surgeries.

00:09:01.340 Just so they could stay alive.

00:09:04.280 Those surgeries postponed because they were called not essential.

00:09:10.040 And yet abortions were performed on demand.

00:09:14.720 And have we had any accountability here for that?

00:09:17.380 No, we've had none.

00:09:19.160 She faces an election this year.

00:09:21.520 So she's backed off of some of those things and kind of quietly slipped away.

00:09:27.380 While some in her party are calling for mask mandates and all kinds of other things here.

00:09:31.580 Especially as we've seen record numbers of cases.

00:09:34.540 And we'll get into all that a little bit later on too.

00:09:36.520 But she's quietly biding her time.

00:09:42.560 Waiting.

00:09:43.260 Just hoping that you and I forget.

00:09:45.140 And that no one holds her accountable.

00:09:47.180 The numbers are staggering.

00:09:48.700 Twelve billion dollars.

00:09:50.160 That's how much in fraudulent unemployment the state paid out.

00:09:53.840 That's the news story.

00:09:55.920 Twelve billion dollars.

00:10:00.260 Folks, we don't have a problem when it comes to raising money or revenue here in this country.

00:10:11.320 Tax dollars, yours and mine.

00:10:12.880 I mean, they have no problem dipping into your pocket.

00:10:16.200 The problem we have is how much money we're spending.

00:10:20.240 It's staggering.

00:10:21.440 And there's, again, no accountability for any of this.

00:10:24.340 So, when we look at what's happening in the world around us today, it's no wonder people are frustrated.

00:10:33.560 It's no wonder people are fed up.

00:10:35.240 Feeling hopeless and helpless.

00:10:41.460 I think part of that is by design.

00:10:45.460 So, today, partially, yes, we will acknowledge the problem.

00:10:50.880 I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and act like it doesn't happen or it's not, it doesn't exist.

00:10:55.560 But here's the truth.

00:10:57.920 There are good things happening, too.

00:11:00.140 We'll talk about those good things.

00:11:02.320 We'll shine a light on them.

00:11:03.420 We'll tell you what you can do.

00:11:04.800 Because I think part of what we're seeing play out here today, in this country, if not the world, is really the psychological operation that it doesn't matter what you do.

00:11:18.600 It doesn't matter what you think.

00:11:20.000 You've got to follow the rules.

00:11:22.340 Unless you're one of the chosen.

00:11:24.700 You get to make the rules.

00:11:26.980 Then the rules are for thee and not for me.

00:11:28.860 Just like our governor, who, again, was telling restaurants how many people could sit at a table together.

00:11:34.220 Everyone's got to wear masks.

00:11:35.360 It says she's caught, busted, time after time again, breaking her own rules.

00:11:40.220 Just like Governor Gavin Newsom out in California, Cuomo in New York.

00:11:43.580 All these people.

00:11:45.920 Supposed leaders who, again, skate through with very little accountability.

00:11:53.080 We'll talk about that coming up.

00:11:54.640 And more accountability.

00:11:56.520 Specifically in this case, Maxwell.

00:12:00.140 The verdict out yesterday.

00:12:01.600 Guilty on five of the six counts.

00:12:03.980 Will there be any real accountability?

00:12:05.820 And is this maybe a sign of it?

00:12:07.320 Or are they sweeping things under the rug in the biggest cover-up possibly of all time?

00:12:15.120 As some have suggested.

00:12:17.880 You'll get it all.

00:12:18.700 The good, the bad, and the ugly.

00:12:19.680 Because I believe you need to hear it.

00:12:21.400 To make the best decisions that we can for one another.

00:12:26.400 And, of course, for our families.

00:12:29.980 We've got to be fully informed.

00:12:33.120 And that's what we'll attempt to do today.

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00:14:04.060 Love to hear from you.

00:14:05.000 Coming up, you're going to hear from a man who was actually at the Maxwell trial.

00:14:10.600 You know, it's interesting because I saw this sparsely covered in the news.

00:14:15.680 This is all part of the accountability process.

00:14:18.080 In order to have accountability, we've got to have a press, a free press, who is going to go out and cover the tough stories.

00:14:25.040 The stories that may not necessarily even make themselves look good.

00:14:29.560 We've got to go against the narrative.

00:14:31.540 We've got to have the truth.

00:14:32.600 It may be one of the reasons why we didn't hear much about the story, except for at the very beginning, they had some cameras lined up.

00:14:43.480 The networks were there.

00:14:46.160 And they had, you know, folks there to cover it.

00:14:49.840 And I noticed that the coverage was very slanted.

00:14:51.980 If you watch CNN or MSNBC, as they talked about the Maxwell trial, they would show you pictures of Jeffrey Epstein with Donald Trump.

00:15:04.900 What?

00:15:05.380 And if you watch Fox News, they would show you pictures of Jeffrey Epstein with Bill Clinton.

00:15:15.680 Yeah, the truth is, and I don't, I can't tell you, because I wasn't on that plane.

00:15:23.920 You won't find my name on that list.

00:15:25.560 I can't tell you exactly what happened, but I know that these folks that are wealthy and they're powerful, they all tend to sort of stick together.

00:15:36.500 Now, there are stories about what Trump witnessed at his club, Mar-a-Lago, and why he booted and banned Epstein from that club permanently.

00:15:47.960 I don't know.

00:15:49.020 But in order to have real accountability, we've got to be able to examine all of it.

00:15:53.520 But we've got to be able to look at the truth, even when the truth hurts.

00:15:57.560 And we've got to be able to take a close look and make sure that we move forward, holding these folks accountable.

00:16:05.060 But the media wasn't really interested in that, were they?

00:16:09.840 They didn't follow the testimony of the witnesses.

00:16:12.620 They didn't follow what was actually said in the testimony of the witnesses.

00:16:16.400 We've got one Michigan connection here, actually.

00:16:18.700 One of the women, the soap star, Jane Doe number, I think it might have been three, don't hold me that, but one of those women testified that she was picked up, so to speak, and groomed from a very young age at a camp for the arts here in Michigan.

00:16:42.800 It's a worldwide, world-famous camp called Interlochen.

00:16:48.840 Now, Epstein apparently was one of the folks that contributed to this camp.

00:16:53.940 They talked about that in the testimony.

00:16:55.780 She talked about how she had just lost her father, and her family was struggling.

00:17:01.020 He was a famous composer, and I think conductor.

00:17:03.360 And she just wanted to, I think seeing it was, she just wanted to be a part of the arts, and so they couldn't afford this camp.

00:17:14.280 She was sent there basically on a scholarship that year.

00:17:17.500 But Epstein took a liking to her, and that's when it all began, this idea that she would have an opportunity to come around these people, that they cared about her,

00:17:26.980 that he was just a patron of the arts, and that he was there to shepherd her along the way, because he cared so much about the arts.

00:17:40.540 And then we got into the really damaging stuff, the testimony I don't even really like to talk about or even read about.

00:17:47.160 But it was reported, it was all reported by our next guest, who spent hours in that courtroom, an independent journalist, doing the job that's CNN.

00:18:03.000 And some of the big guys wouldn't do, releasing those transcripts on his blog.

00:18:09.420 And then we have a chance to read and hear what was happening behind the scenes.

00:18:13.480 My question is, we've got one down here, this Maxwell, who aided Epstein in what he was involved in.

00:18:21.080 But from what we heard in some of that testimony, there are many others involved.

00:18:28.000 The question is, will they be held accountable?

00:18:34.020 Will there be enough?

00:18:35.080 Is there even any political, or enough political will, to move forward with that?

00:18:43.480 Folks, in order to have accountability, one of the things we must come clean about with ourselves,

00:18:51.260 is that we live in a fallen world, and there is evil all around us.

00:18:57.420 In fact, when you hear these stories, it's nauseating.

00:19:02.460 It's chilling, some of the details that are coming out of these stories, that these people would walk amongst us.

00:19:12.820 And yet they are.

00:19:14.500 And if we bury our heads in the sand, and we act like it doesn't exist, then they'll be free.

00:19:21.160 That's exactly what they want.

00:19:22.560 Free to prey on us.

00:19:25.360 And our kids.

00:19:32.140 Into the future.

00:19:33.240 So part of dealing with this, part of real accountability, is facing it.

00:19:40.940 The facts.

00:19:41.520 The good, bad, and the ugly.

00:19:43.180 No matter where it leads us.

00:19:46.640 Asking God for the courage to confront it.

00:19:51.300 Because I know,

00:19:53.660 there's a lot I'd rather focus on.

00:19:55.920 There's a lot I'd rather talk about.

00:19:57.680 There's a lot I'd rather think about.

00:20:01.440 Much more than this absolutely horrifying, nauseating information that's poured out in this trial.

00:20:13.420 And maybe that's part of why the networks haven't touched on it.

00:20:17.780 Maybe that's part of why the networks haven't really run with it.

00:20:20.520 But they're too busy in our echo chambers trying to feed us what they think we want to hear that will support their narrative.

00:20:28.680 And continue to get them the clicks, the ratings that they're looking for.

00:20:33.340 Look, I'm saying things that are true here.

00:20:34.980 I don't know how popular some of this stuff is going to be.

00:20:38.700 But they keep feeding us what they think we want to see and hear.

00:20:41.940 And of course we come back day after day.

00:20:44.240 But if they don't talk about the things that really matter.

00:20:50.200 If they don't talk about the... 0.92

00:20:53.060 Some of the ugliest of the ugly.

00:20:57.260 Then we're doomed to repeat these mistakes over and over again. 0.55

00:21:04.280 I don't know about you.

00:21:06.180 But I'm fed up.

00:21:07.500 I've had it.

00:21:09.000 I'm frustrated.

00:21:10.360 I want change.

00:21:11.740 And that takes real accountability.

00:21:17.380 Coming up, we'll talk with a guest who was actually there in the courtroom with Maxwell and the rest.

00:21:22.920 He'll give you the full breakdown.

00:21:25.860 Behind the scenes.

00:21:28.340 Let's hold him accountable.

00:21:29.920 We continue after this.

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00:23:03.420 Welcome back in.

00:23:04.440 Barkley in for Beck and the Glenn Beck Program.

00:23:06.400 And always a pleasure to be here with you again.

00:23:09.160 You know, we're talking about these stories that seem to be not taking a break for anything these days.

00:23:17.200 And this one is a big one.

00:23:19.160 It's the Maxwell trial.

00:23:20.700 And it quietly last night, although I guess during a holiday break, we get the verdict, which I think is kind of interesting in itself.

00:23:31.540 There were stories about why they may not, in fact, why they may have to move things up, why there might be a mistrial.

00:23:42.300 We got rising COVID cases.

00:23:45.960 The judge is taking a look at all of that and trying to weigh it all in.

00:23:49.200 And finally, the jury comes back guilty.

00:23:51.600 Five out of the six counts.

00:23:54.220 There's so much to talk about in this entire story.

00:23:56.960 Let's start to break some of it down with one of the people who was there through it all.

00:24:01.240 His name is Christon Harrison.

00:24:02.920 He was actually an independent journalist in the courtroom hearing the testimony and releasing much of it on his blog, TheRundownLive.com.

00:24:13.460 And, of course, Christon, we appreciate you being here with us today.

00:24:15.600 How are you?

00:24:15.960 Hey, Justin.

00:24:18.060 Thanks for inviting me on the program.

00:24:20.400 And, yeah, it was a very interesting trial.

00:24:23.340 I'd have to say that yesterday the verdict came down guilty on five of six charges.

00:24:28.480 I think that the jury did its justice, and she probably deserves a lot more considering the torment that all the victims went through.

00:24:36.860 We even saw victims start to show up during the jury deliberation to wait for the verdict from the jury and their decision.

00:24:45.440 But this case was very interesting, and like you mentioned, we are the only one to release the transcripts of the victim's statements as well as the butler and the Kelly McGuire transcript of the FBI raid on Epstein's home on TheRundownLive.com.

00:25:01.320 And I guess where do we start?

00:25:02.660 Now, I think part of this story, really, Christon, is maybe in the beginning, I talked about it, you discussed this, the media presence.

00:25:14.500 In the beginning, it was kind of strong.

00:25:16.660 There were cameras out in front of the courtroom, but then they started to just sort of trickle away day by day.

00:25:23.800 There were fewer and fewer.

00:25:26.320 What did you make about that?

00:25:27.840 Well, being a witness in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, as well as having viral footage in the Kenosha unrest and taking the stand, every day when I was in Kenosha at the courthouse, there were tents all over the place, vehicles with satellites stretching to the sky.

00:25:44.800 You couldn't park anywhere near the courthouse.

00:25:47.740 And that's not what I saw at the federal court in New York.

00:25:52.200 What I saw is on the first day, there was a very strong media presence.

00:25:56.920 And then, like you mentioned, it went from, you know, 20 to 30 tripods.

00:26:02.380 And then within a couple days, two or three tripods in front of the courthouse, down to the fact that one Saturday, there was no tripods.

00:26:09.860 In fact, only four journalists showed up, period, for the charging conference that they had on Saturday prior to deliberation.

00:26:19.340 So it was really weird to see all the media show up for the jury deliberation.

00:26:24.540 And they didn't know who the lawyers are, what they looked like.

00:26:27.820 They were chasing down random people, taking pictures of them because they couldn't identify who these individuals were because they weren't in the courtroom for the actual testimonies, which blows my mind.

00:26:38.400 I didn't see, I'm not going to name a lot of these networks out there, but, you know, Fox, you know, I didn't see them.

00:26:44.680 The people that were there were like the New York Times, Slate, of course, Vanity Fair, Yahoo News.

00:26:50.680 And then there was a bunch of independent journalists as well, myself included, and a large, strong presence from public individuals and lawyers who lived in the area who had interest in the case.

00:27:04.640 Now, what I make of it is I think that the apples rotten from the core are out.

00:27:10.120 And what we saw is when the Atlantic wrote the article that child trafficking is basically fake news, photographs started to surface of the owner of the Atlantic hanging out with none other than Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:27:21.840 Same thing with CNN.

00:27:23.240 Look at what's happening over there.

00:27:24.880 That's a disgrace.

00:27:25.740 How anyone would want to get their news from that outlet after what we've been seeing come out of there in the last four, five weeks, you know, would blow my mind.

00:27:34.140 And the owner of CNN, his wife, is seen in pictures with Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:27:38.460 I think that it's this elitist mentality that they can do whatever they want.

00:27:43.920 They can get away with whatever they want.

00:27:45.940 And it's very normalized.

00:27:47.380 We saw yesterday Ghislaine Maxwell's sister and brother, Kevin Maxwell and Isabel Maxwell, Isabel who took my photograph, by the way.

00:27:56.280 I had no reason, no idea why that was.

00:27:59.180 But they came out and they said that they firmly believe in their sister's innocence and they believe that she will be vindicated and they've already filed for an appeal. 0.87

00:28:07.740 That's how brainwashed and ludicrous these elitists are where they believe they can get away with everything.

00:28:14.040 This is the norm, what Prince Andrew does, Bill Clinton flying around on a jet plane with Epstein, Bill Gates, another big name on his logs. 0.81

00:28:23.320 You know, Donald Trump is another one, which, you know, these are, do any of these names really surprise anyone?

00:28:28.140 Kevin Spacey.

00:28:29.360 I mean, these are all individuals that have been rumored and have had gossip come out that they were predatory.

00:28:34.600 John Glenn, the astronaut.

00:28:36.360 We know that there's photographs of Elon Musk.

00:28:38.680 We can, a lot of your faves and interesting people are on this list with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:28:45.160 The question is, is how many of them were involved in the predatory activity on Little St. James Island that was, may have been used for some kind of initiation into elitism or blackmail?

00:28:57.000 And how many of them were actually just doing business with Epstein for selling his, you know, estates and his different properties?

00:29:06.280 Yeah, I think that's part of the question.

00:29:09.240 You know, these folks, powerful, wealthy, whoever they are, they do.

00:29:15.960 Birds of a feather flock together in a lot of ways.

00:29:18.180 So some of the question is, are these people, are these people, are they engaged in something more nefarious?

00:29:24.400 Or are they just embarrassed by the fact that they're related, they're having their picture taken with these?

00:29:29.620 I mean, I've taken pictures with a lot of different people that, you know, I don't necessarily know.

00:29:35.040 There's a picture of me, because back in the day, these guys would come around radio tours.

00:29:39.720 And I stopped into a radio tour to do a promotional thing.

00:29:42.680 There's a picture of me with Jared from Subway.

00:29:45.600 Now, that was the only time I ever met the guy.

00:29:50.160 And I try to, you know, if I can delete that picture somewhere, scrub it off the internet, I probably would.

00:29:55.200 But the question is, is there more to this story?

00:29:59.280 And any time there's just an appearance of impropriety, it's got to be fleshed out.

00:30:05.480 And we have to know, we need to have accountability when we see stories like this being kind of pushed to the back burner.

00:30:11.580 When we see stories like this not being fully covered, well, that's a problem.

00:30:16.440 Because that doesn't allow us to know exactly what was going on, to have full transparency and to hold these people accountable.

00:30:21.900 So, my question is, there was a lot of disturbing testimony.

00:30:26.260 And you sat through most of it.

00:30:28.180 Kriston, what was some of the things that were talked about when it, not just Ghislaine here, not just Maxwell, not just Epstein, but some of these other folks.

00:30:36.700 What did those people testify to?

00:30:39.660 And are there other people that we do need to know about and need to be looked into?

00:30:43.580 Yeah, the first testimony was Jane Doe.

00:30:48.400 And Jane Doe, as you guys know, is Nadia from Days of Our Lives that came out and was exposed later on.

00:30:54.400 They literally used her name allegedly accidentally in the trial, her real name.

00:30:59.880 And it wasn't hard to find her, but she, as well as Kate and Carolyn, the three anonymous girls, and Annie Farmer, whose sister, Maria Farmer, has been retweeting a lot of my transcripts, all really painted the picture of a grooming culture.

00:31:18.900 It seems as though Epstein and Maxwell would go to Interlochen, Michigan, where they have an elite summer camp for promised children who maybe are going to be the next models or TV actors or famous musicians.

00:31:34.820 And it's expensive to go there.

00:31:36.720 And Jane Doe had her interview at 13 years old.

00:31:42.160 Maxwell and Epstein identified that her father just recently passed.

00:31:47.640 She was a famous conductor.

00:31:49.140 She lived in Palm Beach, Florida, you know, and they were currently homeless, living in a pool house of close friends of theirs.

00:32:00.400 So they identified, first of all, that this girl had talent, that she wanted to be a singer, so they could program in their brain that they could be the hero, pay for her schooling, pay for her college, any kind of, you know, special singing classes or acting classes that she may want.

00:32:17.320 Epstein could come through on that way in a big way.

00:32:19.820 But that was the grooming interview to identify those things and see who was good and easy to be abused.

00:32:25.800 Girls with broken homes, no father figure, mother is, you know, distraught.

00:32:31.820 And so they invited her and her mother over to his Florida mansion and she sang for him and Epstein and her mother had discussions and it wasn't long before she started going to Epstein's alone.

00:32:48.960 Well, another process of the grooming situation is desensitizing the children.

00:32:54.120 So within Epstein's mansion, he had paintings of graphic sexual encounters and orgies and naked women, as well as there would be like topless women in the pool.

00:33:06.720 And this would all start to desensitize the children, including Maxwell and Epstein would bring these girls to rated R movies with explicit sexual scenes, again, desensitizing the children, conditioning them. 1.00

00:33:19.860 And then at some point, Maxwell would say it's time to massage Jeffrey Epstein.

00:33:23.780 And the massage room seemed to be where the final grooming process came where Ghislaine Maxwell would show the girls how to massage Jeffrey Epstein all over his body. 0.99

00:33:34.420 And I'll let you use your imagination what that means, leading to gratification, eventually intercourse and orgies in the massage room with the young 14-year-old girl from Palm Beach. 0.97

00:33:46.520 And it's gut-wrenching. 0.99

00:33:47.720 Like, I want to throw up in my mouth just thinking about it.

00:33:50.100 It makes me angry.

00:33:51.900 Yeah, the stories are nauseating.

00:33:54.980 I got to ask you, though, Christon, and this is sensitive material, but it is material that I believe we have to face, we have to confront.

00:34:03.520 These are some of the things that are happening in our society.

00:34:06.820 And if we don't, they will continue on and on.

00:34:10.740 And it could be your daughter.

00:34:12.220 It could be, and I think about that as a father.

00:34:14.680 I mean, the sick things that are happening out there.

00:34:18.340 So was it only Epstein?

00:34:20.400 Or did they get into the testimony of anyone else engaging?

00:34:23.980 Because we hear all the names that are associated with these flights and the trips to the island, etc.

00:34:30.520 Was there anybody else?

00:34:32.060 They point the finger at anyone else.

00:34:34.440 Well, Les Wexner's name came up quite a bit as an enabler as well.

00:34:40.140 And it seemed like the prosecution gave a very diet explanation.

00:34:45.160 And there was opportunity for the prosecution to name other people that were on the flight logs with, you know, Annie, excuse me, with Jane Doe, with Carolyn, with Kate.

00:34:58.020 And even the judge at one point said, you know, you can reveal these identities.

00:35:02.260 They haven't been redacted.

00:35:03.940 And the prosecution, Comey's daughter, basically said, well, there's no need to bring those names up.

00:35:11.540 They're not pertinent to the case.

00:35:12.880 Which makes me wonder why they wouldn't, considering they blacked out all these other names in the flight logs, amongst other things.

00:35:19.820 So we don't really know in detail.

00:35:22.320 I think that's another reason why Virginia Roberts didn't testify.

00:35:26.120 I'm really surprised at that, especially because it would bring into the whole trafficking charges.

00:35:32.600 It was a very clear-cut case.

00:35:34.300 You know, Prince Andrews is involved in that one.

00:35:36.580 And there's other people that she would have named that I think would have blown this thing much larger and made it blow wide open.

00:35:43.840 The other interesting thing is that the judge decided not to grant immunity to any of the witnesses.

00:35:49.300 So if you're a witness and you're going to tattle about the bad things happening on Epstein's Island and, you know, you're going to go to jail for it, why wouldn't you just plead the fifth?

00:35:59.780 And why would you even take the stand?

00:36:01.900 Chris, we've got to take a break here.

00:36:03.320 But another thing that happened was that all these records got sealed.

00:36:06.380 We'll talk about that when we come back.

00:36:08.060 How can you have real accountability if you don't have access to all this information?

00:36:11.020 We're not transparent about it.

00:36:12.740 Talk about that.

00:36:13.400 Christon T. Harris joins us at the RundownLive.com and the update on the Maxwell verdict yesterday.

00:36:18.680 Again, five out of the six counts guilty.

00:36:21.920 Back with more.

00:36:22.940 Barkley and for back on the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:37:41.120 Sparkly and for Beck, Justin Markley from Wood Radio in Grand Rapids on the Glenn Beck program today.

00:38:02.660 And Christanti Harris is an independent journalist at TheRundownLive.com, covering the Maxwell trial, guilty on five out of the six counts.

00:38:10.980 But something else happened that I think is even more important.

00:38:14.020 The judge sealed the records.

00:38:15.400 Christanti, we only have about 30 seconds, but what does this mean and what happens with accountability moving forward?

00:38:20.000 Well, out of 40,000 images and photographs and videos, they only used 40 in the trial.

00:38:25.860 I think that either they're going to go ahead and prosecute additional people involved with the case or they're hiding something.

00:38:33.560 Her little black book of context, Hearn Epstein, it may never be seen.

00:38:38.680 That's very possible.

00:38:40.540 That would mean quite a bit.

00:38:42.240 Christanti, before we let you go, I want to give you a chance to let people know where they can find you.

00:38:47.420 You had some really interesting things happen to you while you were covering this trial.

00:38:50.800 Your Airbnb was broken into.

00:38:52.620 Your laptop was taken.

00:38:53.920 I mean, all kinds of interesting things.

00:38:56.940 Wild, to say the least.

00:38:59.400 And you can find out more about those.

00:39:01.300 Where can people follow you?

00:39:02.740 TheRundownLive.com and other social media places.

00:39:05.700 Yeah, sure.

00:39:06.220 My radio program airs five days a week.

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00:39:11.460 If you want to donate and keep independent freelance journalism alive, go to TheRundownLive.com.

00:39:16.800 We have a GoFundMe.

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00:39:23.560 There's even video of it.

00:39:24.780 There's a whole bunch of evidence.

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00:40:08.440 on the beach with his wife, Jill, with a mask on, all by himself, out in the middle

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00:40:15.000 You just can't top this, folks.

00:40:17.440 The level of insanity and all the politics, all those people's lives literally hang in

00:40:23.600 the balance.

00:40:24.940 How do we get rid of the politics?

00:40:26.180 We'll talk more about that coming up.

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00:42:18.480 It's another way we like to get around big tech as well.

00:42:21.540 And speaking of big tech, you know, it talks about accountability.

00:42:25.920 We are seeing accountability issues throughout the entire process in a lawless nation a lot of ways.

00:42:32.100 We're seeing folks who just aren't being held accountable for any issues.

00:42:37.020 We are now staring straight down the barrel of another crisis.

00:42:45.760 It's probably been created by the Biden administration a lot of ways.

00:42:51.680 We have this Omicron variant that's out there.

00:42:56.300 Be afraid.

00:42:57.960 Be very afraid.

00:42:59.500 And the media, of course, starts their usual drumbeat of the fear-mongering, ramping everything up,

00:43:06.340 the tension, so that you and everyone else will be on pins and needles as this thing comes through.

00:43:12.980 But they completely deny and ignore some of the most important and, I think, promising data out of South Africa.

00:43:23.800 There's a study that suggested Omicron, not only are we hearing that it's less lethal, the symptoms are more mild,

00:43:37.520 but the new study out of South Africa suggesting that Omicron, or as I like to call it, Comicron,

00:43:42.440 because we know that, obviously, is the last variant altogether.

00:43:47.860 It's called communism.

00:43:49.020 But Comicron actually has some positives to it.

00:43:55.880 South African scientists at the Africa Health Research Institute have examined 33 unjabbed and jabbed individuals who had contracted the Omicron variant.

00:44:05.720 According to Reuters, they found that people who were infected with Comicron developed enhanced immunity to the Delta variant.

00:44:17.080 In other words, this Comicron, this thing, could be a positive because it could help folks.

00:44:24.880 I hate to use this word.

00:44:26.520 They might cancel me.

00:44:27.580 But herd immunity?

00:44:29.060 I'm not allowed to use that anymore.

00:44:31.060 But it could help folks fight off other infection when it comes to the variants that are out there, including Delta,

00:44:39.420 which they say is a little worse than the original.

00:44:45.600 I don't know.

00:44:46.340 I don't know if it's worse or not.

00:44:51.780 But I believe that to be some good news.

00:44:54.860 And some of the news you're just not hearing.

00:44:56.580 See, there tends to be a bit of a censorship battle going on.

00:45:03.620 It's an editing of who you can hear from and who you can't hear from.

00:45:10.380 What ideas are allowed to be discussed in the public realm and what aren't.

00:45:17.280 In fact, yesterday it happened.

00:45:19.320 And are you surprised by it?

00:45:21.360 The inventor of the mRNA technology.

00:45:25.860 That's what's in the Pfizer and the Moderna jams.

00:45:31.700 The inventor of the mRNA technology was suspended from Twitter.

00:45:41.680 Banned.

00:45:43.580 His account is completely gone.

00:45:45.220 Dr. Robert Malone.

00:45:47.020 And apparently it's for talking about the very technology that he invented.

00:45:55.860 Now, what in the world? 0.99

00:45:58.800 First of all, do they think we're dumb? 0.99

00:46:03.440 Of course, that answers yes, they do. 0.98

00:46:05.780 But this makes no sense at all.

00:46:09.260 We're told constantly, follow the science and the data.

00:46:12.580 The science and the data.

00:46:14.180 And we're told from the high priest to help himself.

00:46:19.460 Mr. Booster.

00:46:20.820 Go out and get your booster shot.

00:46:22.760 St. Anthony Fauci.

00:46:25.660 You can't question the science.

00:46:27.380 I am the science.

00:46:28.780 We're told that you have to follow the science and the data.

00:46:32.120 But really what he means is you have to listen to what we say and don't question it.

00:46:35.260 But people are starting to question it.

00:46:40.060 People are starting to wake up.

00:46:42.900 I'm going to give you some good news in that.

00:46:44.900 Coming up, in fact, one person who is drawing attention to this, I think, deserves a little recognition for that.

00:46:54.280 But Dr. Robert Malone, suspended from Twitter.

00:46:57.080 Here's some of the things that he's said in the past in an interview, maybe the reason why he's been taken down.

00:47:04.560 Now, the long term, the only solution is political and legal.

00:47:09.540 The government is now lawless.

00:47:13.820 They are doing things that are against the law and they don't care.

00:47:19.560 They believe that, I don't know what they believe,

00:47:23.100 but forcing people to take an experimental medical product is illegal.

00:47:29.760 It is in federal law.

00:47:31.420 We call it the common rule.

00:47:33.020 It is not legal.

00:47:34.860 Forcing the military to take an unlicensed product and then relabeling it,

00:47:41.400 calling it the licensed product, which is what I'm telling military people are coming to me

00:47:45.780 and telling me this is what they're doing,

00:47:47.440 because there's a law that the military cannot administer unlicensed vaccines to its personnel.

00:47:55.020 This is a law that came out of what happened with the Desert Storm and the anthrax vaccine shots

00:48:01.660 where a lot of military personnel were damaged.

00:48:04.860 And they're not allowed to give unlicensed products.

00:48:08.800 So the president commands them to vaccinate the troops with an unlicensed product.

00:48:15.060 And so there's a colonel now in the Pentagon who will retire soon,

00:48:19.460 so he doesn't have to worry anymore.

00:48:21.200 That's why they picked him.

00:48:22.740 They got a colonel to write a set of orders that are clearly illegal,

00:48:27.840 that all military personnel have to be vaccinated with a vaccine that's not licensed,

00:48:33.780 which is illegal.

00:48:35.160 And what they're doing is they're telling the military personnel,

00:48:39.200 oh, we're giving you the licensed vaccine, Comirnaty,

00:48:42.320 but that vaccine doesn't exist.

00:48:44.220 And so the other thing they're doing is they're taking the Pfizer vaccine

00:48:49.020 and they're putting labels on it, calling it Comirnaty,

00:48:52.060 which is, by the way, a felony.

00:48:54.140 They don't care.

00:48:56.360 The law is no longer relevant.

00:48:59.080 We have a government that is out of control.

00:49:02.000 It's fascinating to hear the inventor of the mRNA technology say those things.

00:49:09.200 But he's not the only one.

00:49:10.900 He's not the only one that's questioning the narrative.

00:49:12.940 He's not the only one that's questioning the politics involved in all of this.

00:49:18.740 But unfortunately, as that happens, people are dying.

00:49:23.320 And I can tell you probably a handful of people I know

00:49:29.080 dead in the last six months or so

00:49:33.040 because, I believe,

00:49:37.480 of things that could have been avoided.

00:49:38.960 We have Twitter or any other group or organization

00:49:46.760 who feels like they get to decide who gets a voice and who doesn't.

00:49:54.560 We have a real problem.

00:49:55.800 We have an issue.

00:49:56.360 Now, this creates more problems for all of us anyway

00:50:01.040 because Twitter thinking that they're going to make some sort of difference

00:50:05.820 by silencing this man and taking him off of Twitter.

00:50:08.320 They have no idea what they've done or maybe they do.

00:50:11.060 I don't know.

00:50:12.120 But today he'll go on Joe Rogan's show.

00:50:14.320 And Rogan's got a platform and a footprint and an audience that's huge.

00:50:22.200 That's much larger than any number of people that Malone probably would have reached himself on Twitter.

00:50:29.220 Even with the retweets and the sharing of the information, etc.

00:50:32.380 And now there's a controversy created around it.

00:50:37.040 So what will he say?

00:50:38.340 I am interested to hear about what Twitter,

00:50:41.940 why they decided they were going to take him down this time,

00:50:44.140 what the real story is behind it.

00:50:48.880 But folks, there is good news because I think people are standing up

00:50:54.260 and they are speaking out.

00:50:56.720 Real average everyday people.

00:50:58.280 You know, I don't know if everyday folks are going to know who Dr. Robert Malone is.

00:51:04.440 Unless you're somebody like me who's, I'm like, you know,

00:51:06.960 I'm forced to deal with this information, this on a daily basis.

00:51:12.800 Part of the reason I do it, part of the reason Glenn does it,

00:51:14.860 so you don't have to.

00:51:16.980 You can have trusted sources.

00:51:18.820 We sift through all this and we deal with it.

00:51:20.560 And that's why.

00:51:24.900 It's getting tougher and tougher now to decide,

00:51:27.340 okay, who do I trust?

00:51:28.800 Actually, maybe it's getting easier.

00:51:32.440 That might be a part of the side effect of this.

00:51:34.640 But there are new voices speaking out.

00:51:36.160 People that they're constantly trying to discredit now.

00:51:40.840 Anyone who does.

00:51:42.420 And the more they do it, I think the more it backfires.

00:51:44.840 In fact, the latest, we'll share with you coming up after the break here.

00:51:48.400 It's a voice that, again, they're trying to turn into, I think,

00:51:53.620 a big villain in all of this.

00:51:55.020 But if you listen to what this man actually has to say,

00:51:58.840 it's reasonable.

00:52:00.980 It makes a lot of sense.

00:52:02.960 And his points are very valid.

00:52:05.000 In fact, he's a guy that I think most average Americans

00:52:08.440 might respect, might listen to.

00:52:13.380 Regardless of whether he's got a white lab coat or not.

00:52:16.320 We'll hear that piece of information coming up in just a moment.

00:52:19.920 Plus, back with you.

00:52:21.600 After this, Barkley and Frebeck today on the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:53:28.560 So, I don't know.

00:53:42.540 I'm not a huge NFL fan.

00:53:46.840 I like football.

00:53:48.740 I just didn't grow up with a team that I watch, you know,

00:53:53.160 and I think that's part of it.

00:53:54.720 But I'm very aware of football, and I'm very aware of the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers.

00:54:00.460 Like, I think most people are.

00:54:01.580 You have to live, like, under a rock.

00:54:03.420 Or in a cage.

00:54:04.660 Cave did not know who he is.

00:54:07.200 But he is making, I think, a very reasonable argument

00:54:12.760 in the latest story that's out now that he reveals,

00:54:17.840 and this is shocking.

00:54:19.660 Not really.

00:54:21.340 But I think some might make the case.

00:54:23.060 This is shocking.

00:54:24.640 He is revealing the NFL, and a lot of teams,

00:54:27.820 you may be surprised to find out,

00:54:30.320 are actually using some of the protocols,

00:54:35.680 some of the treatments that he is being ostracized

00:54:42.700 for using himself and for talking about.

00:54:49.280 Here he is on a Pat McAfee show or podcast.

00:54:52.840 I'm not too familiar.

00:54:53.820 I think it's a sports show.

00:54:55.280 And what he has to say, I think, is very reasonable.

00:54:58.160 Just take a listen to some of this clip.

00:55:01.100 You know, I've gotten accused of spreading misinformation

00:55:04.320 when I talk about the treatment plan that I used to get better

00:55:09.700 that's been used by a number of people and doctors.

00:55:12.040 If you watched Dr. McCullough and Rogan,

00:55:14.780 he's a cardiologist, epidemiologist.

00:55:16.860 He goes at length to talk about, and he's double-vaxxed.

00:55:19.420 He talks about the treatment plans that he uses with people.

00:55:22.020 I think one of my issues, and I've brought this so many times,

00:55:25.520 is one, they don't talk about the fact that, you know,

00:55:29.840 guys are getting better using this.

00:55:32.040 People are getting better using these things.

00:55:34.040 That's fine.

00:55:34.480 You don't want to talk about that.

00:55:35.220 But how come in a league where we're seeing what 51 guys

00:55:39.680 on the list yesterday, there's still zero conversation,

00:55:43.680 at least publicly, around treatment options for people

00:55:46.880 that test positive?

00:55:48.820 I do know behind the scenes, this is 100% true,

00:55:51.600 there are many teams who are using or recommending a lot of the same

00:55:56.140 treatments that I got for their players.

00:55:58.160 Dr. Joe Rogan?

00:56:00.520 There's treatments being talked about behind closed doors.

00:56:02.800 But publicly, I don't understand why we can't talk about treatments.

00:56:06.720 And because I think it needs to be not just talked about with the NFL

00:56:11.480 players, but with the rest of the country.

00:56:12.980 That there are ways of, whether it's Delta or Omicron,

00:56:16.100 it seems like there's not, you know, there's not a lot of major symptoms.

00:56:20.840 But if you have Delta, like I did, there's...

00:56:21.260 Let's pause it there for a second.

00:56:22.760 Let's just pause it there for a second.

00:56:24.140 So he's admitting, hey, there are other things people can try.

00:56:31.280 There are other things that are out there.

00:56:32.820 But there are only certain official narrative-approven things that we're

00:56:36.860 allowed to talk about, and that's the jabs, really.

00:56:38.680 That's it.

00:56:40.320 Maybe you can kind of talk about monoclonal antibodies,

00:56:43.060 that sort of thing, in public.

00:56:45.800 But really, the only real solution, the only solution,

00:56:51.100 the single solution we hear from those in power is,

00:56:54.960 hey, go out and get the jab. 1.00

00:56:55.880 Go out and get the jab.

00:56:56.500 No matter which one it is.

00:56:57.740 And by the way, the folks, I'm not going to get into full details on this,

00:57:04.440 but at the early onset, asked me if I would get it and then talk about it.

00:57:11.080 People were being paid.

00:57:13.420 In fact, they said, we'll pay you to do this.

00:57:17.280 And I turned them down.

00:57:19.420 First of all, regardless of whether I get this or not,

00:57:22.300 this is not the way I want to go about it.

00:57:24.440 You probably haven't listened to much of my program because what I've always

00:57:26.920 said from the beginning, I believe very reasonable.

00:57:29.460 Now we know the folks that say this type of thing,

00:57:31.400 they're conspiracy theorists and they'll come after them like they're coming

00:57:33.740 after Aaron Rodgers.

00:57:36.240 But I believe that this decision ought to be left up to every individual for

00:57:40.080 their own medical reasons, for their own personal reasons,

00:57:44.320 whatever it might be.

00:57:45.280 I don't believe in one-size-fits-all to everything.

00:57:47.520 I think that folks ought to make these decisions, and I've said this from the

00:57:53.000 beginning, thoughtfully contemplate them.

00:57:57.340 Everybody has their own scenario, medical issues and whatever it might be.

00:58:05.160 I have friends that have medical reasons why they needed to get it,

00:58:08.540 and I have friends that have medical reasons and other reasons why they didn't

00:58:11.560 want to.

00:58:12.060 And they made those decisions for themselves, just like Rodgers has.

00:58:17.860 Call me crazy, but I told people to maybe, hey, consult a trusted health care

00:58:22.560 provider.

00:58:24.000 And then I said, imagine this, and this is what really threw people for a loop.

00:58:28.820 You may want to pray about it.

00:58:31.120 Well, how dare he?

00:58:33.380 We can only worship one in the white lab coat.

00:58:37.540 His name is Fauci.

00:58:38.400 We don't have room.

00:58:40.960 And Fauci says, you can't have any other gods or treatments before me,

00:58:44.760 apparently.

00:58:45.840 So people, I guess there were folks that found that to be very unreasonable and

00:58:50.820 just crazy.

00:58:53.540 But again, I think that's the sign of the times.

00:58:55.580 We're living in a world where you say something very reasonable, I think sensible

00:58:59.480 at the same time, and you just get attacked.

00:59:03.880 And that's what's happening now with Aaron Rodgers.

00:59:05.740 In fact, he's just said that the NFL is using, and a lot of these teams, some of

00:59:10.040 the same treatments, some of the same alternative things that he's used.

00:59:16.800 And that's how the politics now is at play, is that some people get to use these

00:59:20.480 things, but you don't.

00:59:24.100 And we can't have these conversations about these things.

00:59:26.300 I think this is where the real problem comes in.

00:59:28.120 Here's a little bit more from the clip.

00:59:29.620 Aaron Rodgers and the Pat McAfee show talking about this.

00:59:32.000 Treatment options that actually help, you know, and if you don't agree with the

00:59:36.560 ones I use, well, let's come up with some other ones, you know, instead of like

00:59:40.080 sticking a person, you know, putting 10 days in an isolation, you know, and not

00:59:45.760 able to see anybody in zero treatment options.

00:59:47.840 To me, that's just, if science can't be questioned, it's not science anymore.

00:59:52.800 It's propaganda.

00:59:53.940 All right.

00:59:54.540 That's it.

00:59:55.160 That's enough.

00:59:55.760 If I don't need any more, perfect, you know, that is something he's going to get in a lot

01:00:03.200 of trouble for.

01:00:05.460 But folks, I mean, this is a perfect example of how people are waking up.

01:00:10.560 I just hope, I just hope that more and more people do wake up and it's not too late.

01:00:16.200 I hope for some, we have lost far too many unnecessarily, I believe, because we're not

01:00:22.840 allowed to talk about these treatment options.

01:00:26.200 We're not allowed to talk about some of these things that are out there.

01:00:28.580 You know what we're not doing?

01:00:29.700 We're not allowing doctors to be doctors.

01:00:35.080 The stories that are coming out are just absolutely heartbreaking.

01:00:37.740 One of them you'll hear next.

01:00:39.080 Folks, we need to pay attention.

01:00:42.440 We need to listen to these people.

01:00:44.240 They're sounding the alarm.

01:00:45.460 The warning signs are there.

01:00:47.000 Let's step up and make sure this doesn't continue to happen so we don't lose any more.

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01:02:15.040 Back for Beck.

01:02:16.020 It's Justin Barkley on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:02:18.560 And yeah, we're talking about people starting to wake up, folks.

01:02:23.340 Little by little.

01:02:24.480 And please, as they do, let's wake them up gently and allow them to come to terms like a guy like Aaron Rodgers,

01:02:31.500 who is a very healthy individual, an athlete, the NFL decided he didn't want to take the jab himself

01:02:37.940 for his own particular medical reason.

01:02:40.440 I mean, these people, everything they eat is fine-tuned.

01:02:44.020 Listen, I know many people have mistaken me for a world-class athlete before.

01:02:51.660 They look at me and they think, surely you must be some sort of, they're looking for the medals

01:02:57.300 or the trophy or the rings or something like that.

01:02:59.080 No, no, no.

01:02:59.540 I, look, I understand.

01:03:01.220 Don't like the confusion.

01:03:03.980 Of course.

01:03:06.220 I'm joking.

01:03:06.900 But these people, everything they eat, everything they do down to their sleep and, I mean, all of it is just fine-tuned to a precision.

01:03:18.720 They have teams of people that tell them what to eat, do, and every single day.

01:03:26.540 It's not just their health.

01:03:27.780 It's a business.

01:03:30.480 And so they take it very seriously.

01:03:32.220 It's no wonder to me that he and many other of these world-class athletes have had these conversations about,

01:03:38.280 wait a minute, what should I really do?

01:03:41.680 They may have even weighed the risks.

01:03:47.060 So to hear folks like Aaron Rodgers come up and speak up is, I think, good news for us.

01:03:57.640 Why?

01:03:58.160 Because we continue to see politics throughout the entirety of this.

01:04:02.220 Play out in a way that I believe people are needlessly dying.

01:04:12.220 They're losing their lives, and they shouldn't, and they don't have to.

01:04:17.200 Part of those reasons is dealing with the treatments.

01:04:20.860 We're waiting too long to try to treat people, and then with what we treat them with, there's only a certain protocol that's passed down on high, from what I understand.

01:04:33.460 From the centralized location of the altar of Dr. Fauci, apparently he gives you the scroll with all the information in it, and that's what you're supposed to do.

01:04:43.960 Now, if you ask questions, or maybe you think, let me try something differently.

01:04:50.600 As a doctor, you could be fired, or even worse, your medical license could be stripped.

01:04:57.840 They talked about that here in Michigan.

01:04:59.520 We're our governors.

01:05:00.320 You want to prescribe this hydroxychloroquine?

01:05:02.600 You're going to strip your medical license.

01:05:03.840 The ivermectin is the next piece.

01:05:09.960 But in that interview that I just played from Aaron Rodgers, he goes through a number of different pieces.

01:05:16.420 And those two that you've heard and were demonized aren't the only ones out there.

01:05:19.500 There are many other different things that people have tried.

01:05:22.440 Doctors all over the world have been attempting to use and reporting back what works and what doesn't.

01:05:30.700 Don't you think, maybe, maybe we ought to listen to them.

01:05:36.360 Maybe we ought to let doctors be doctors?

01:05:40.720 Maybe we ought to let real people be treated by the folks who know them best, rather than the bureaucrats.

01:05:50.260 Far off in some faraway land.

01:05:52.660 I mean, there's a lot we could learn from this whole debacle.

01:05:54.980 And the politics continues, I believe in this case, to needlessly kill folks who should still be here today.

01:06:10.580 Our next guest is on the phone right now.

01:06:15.920 Her name is Julie.

01:06:17.140 And I don't know how much information you want to give out, Julie.

01:06:20.680 But I know your husband rather well.

01:06:23.440 He listens to my local program here in Michigan quite often.

01:06:28.980 Good man who I've talked back and forth with quite a bit.

01:06:31.600 And when I got the news that your daughter was sick, you know, I began asking the audience to pray and I prayed for her.

01:06:40.580 And I got to tell you, when I got the news that she had passed, it was, well, I can't imagine.

01:06:47.420 I just can't imagine how tough it was for you.

01:06:51.020 I've lost about a handful of friends in the last five months, people that I know.

01:06:55.860 And I think needlessly because of the politics that surround all of this.

01:07:00.800 Exactly.

01:07:01.440 I don't want to talk as much about the problem.

01:07:04.620 I just want to find out about your daughter, what happened with her specifically.

01:07:08.380 And I just want to give you a chance to tell your daughter's story, Julie.

01:07:13.020 Okay.

01:07:13.460 Well, Jessica was, she got COVID from her husband who got COVID from a vaxxed person.

01:07:21.460 And so you get it if you've been vaxxed or not.

01:07:27.040 She was very sick.

01:07:29.320 She started developing a cough.

01:07:33.220 She took a home blood oxygen level and it was very low.

01:07:37.420 So she called the doctor and he said that's very dangerous for the baby because she was 29 weeks pregnant.

01:07:44.680 And he said to take her in.

01:07:47.820 And so Matt, her husband, took her to the emergency.

01:07:52.820 They took Jessica, leaving Matt standing all alone, took Jessica by ambulance to the hospital.

01:08:00.580 He couldn't go with her, even though he drove her there.

01:08:03.980 I know she was scared.

01:08:06.360 And they put her on oxygen when she got to the hospital.

01:08:11.740 So the next day, that was the 29th, the 30th, she texted me and said, can you get a priest?

01:08:20.180 I think she knew.

01:08:23.340 So I had one go and he did what he needed to do.

01:08:26.960 She was a very devout, traditional Catholic.

01:08:29.360 Then they could not keep her blood oxygen levels up.

01:08:37.200 She refused remdesivir, which there are other drugs that do the same.

01:08:45.300 Jessica, they called Matt in to talk about the baby.

01:08:51.720 And on the 4th, they vented Jessica and she fought it and fought it and pulled everything out and said, you know, to Matt that if they vent her, she's not coming out of it.

01:09:08.100 She knew.

01:09:10.220 She was very scared.

01:09:11.620 They sedated her, vented her, and then they did a C-section and they took the baby. 0.60

01:09:19.580 And she had a little baby, 2 pounds, 14 ounces.

01:09:25.820 Jessica was then put in a coma. 0.92

01:09:30.620 A couple of days later, we heard she had a collapsed lung with a hole in her lung.

01:09:36.300 Then a couple of days later, she was on kidney dialysis.

01:09:39.680 Her kidneys were failing.

01:09:40.780 And then she had multiple strokes. 1.00

01:09:45.280 And then finally, you know, every day or so, there was something worse.

01:09:50.900 She had brain hemorrhage into the stroke.

01:09:56.520 So they called us in.

01:09:59.740 This was on the 14th.

01:10:02.120 We, Jessica had a will.

01:10:04.200 We took her, had her taken off the vent. 1.00

01:10:07.220 And myself, Jessica's dad, her husband, Matt, and her oldest daughter, Josie, went into the room.

01:10:17.180 And it was about 15 minutes later and she took her last breath.

01:10:21.600 And I think maybe it was needlessly that she passed away.

01:10:27.560 I think that all these things that happened were from maybe the drugs that they gave her.

01:10:32.260 They just moved out of their house into Matt's mom and dad's house to stay there temporarily to like either find a house or, you know, find some land to build on.

01:10:51.620 And, you know, Matt, he's not alone.

01:10:55.980 He's got his mom there and I go there and it's close.

01:11:00.140 So they need to find something in Hamilton.

01:11:03.560 And there is the Farmhouse Deli did a GoFundMe page.

01:11:09.080 It's raised a lot of money, but I think they still need a lot of help.

01:11:14.800 And baby Margaret is now four pounds, one ounce.

01:11:18.280 She's still on the CPAP off and on, but she's doing good.

01:11:23.220 How many weeks is she now? 0.98

01:11:27.460 Well, she was born on the fourth, so she's almost four weeks.

01:11:31.680 Yeah.

01:11:32.280 Yeah.

01:11:33.560 And I know you went through that, too, Justin.

01:11:35.340 And, you know, how does a man bring up, you know, a baby home, a preemie, you know, and then plus he has a 16-month-old little boy and, you know, six kids under the age of 13.

01:11:54.940 Yeah.

01:11:56.920 She was a mother of seven.

01:12:00.200 Is that right?

01:12:01.500 Yes.

01:12:01.860 And she was a very good mother.

01:12:04.700 She was a warrior mother, you know.

01:12:08.720 And right around Christmas, Ike turned 13 on the 22nd.

01:12:14.780 Sam turned 12 on the 24th.

01:12:17.420 Esther turned five on the 27th.

01:12:20.200 And Josie turned 21 on the 27th.

01:12:22.500 And they're all, there's four of them in, actually, five of them in December.

01:12:32.360 But they did have a good Christmas.

01:12:33.920 They had a lot of donations, and they were joyful on Christmas.

01:12:41.260 But it doesn't take away the fact that, you know, their mom is gone.

01:12:45.320 I can't even imagine.

01:12:48.660 Julie is Jessica's mother and just kind of ran through some of those things.

01:12:55.020 We talked about this.

01:12:56.240 I think people are needlessly dying because of the politics.

01:12:58.780 And maybe it's the treatment protocol that's been passed down.

01:13:01.980 Or maybe it's the lack of the early treatment and some of the other options that aren't even being considered.

01:13:09.900 I'm not sure exactly.

01:13:11.900 But I do know that when we have such a political frenzy that surrounds these things, that it has real-life consequences.

01:13:23.980 And you're hearing it.

01:13:25.360 Now, I know this because I've seen five different cases.

01:13:28.060 And Julie, your case, your daughter, Jessica, is eerily similar to a case of a friend of my wife's who, her first child, found herself in the same position.

01:13:42.200 And they had to put her on a ventilator. 1.00

01:13:44.680 They cut her open.

01:13:45.860 She had the kidney failure.

01:13:47.300 They took the baby out.

01:13:49.300 And eventually she passed.

01:13:51.820 Yeah.

01:13:52.120 And to me, for me to know two of those people, something's not right.

01:14:00.840 And folks, to hear this story, I guarantee if I open up the phone lines right now, we would hear story after story all across the country where these things are happening.

01:14:16.260 And they don't need to be.

01:14:17.860 Julie, we're praying for you guys.

01:14:24.160 We're praying for your family.

01:14:25.220 Before I let you go, what do you say to folks that maybe the doctors who, because people are starting to wake up.

01:14:32.760 I know there are doctors that are possibly listening, saying, you know, there's something wrong with what we're doing.

01:14:39.580 These things aren't working.

01:14:41.940 Maybe the nurses.

01:14:44.080 What would you say to those folks if you could say something that would make a difference?

01:14:50.940 Well, I know some people that got ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

01:14:55.240 And Jessica was afraid to take it because of the baby.

01:14:58.640 She wanted to do everything she could for that baby.

01:15:03.780 But I know some people, even a pregnant woman that did take it and felt better within a couple days.

01:15:10.400 And she asked for it in the hospital and they said no.

01:15:16.940 So I think she finally wanted it, but they didn't, there's no way they were going to give it to her.

01:15:23.780 So I think if people can seek out this, there's people that know people that have the, that can get it.

01:15:34.660 And if you can take it early on, do everything you can to get it and take it because it might save your life.

01:15:43.000 There are politics throughout all of this.

01:15:45.660 And Julie, I appreciate you taking the time to share that story.

01:15:49.240 The GoFundMe is set up.

01:15:50.520 I've shared it over on my Twitter page at Mr. Justin Barkley.

01:15:53.640 You can help out.

01:15:54.840 It's entitled Help the Hallgrens.

01:15:56.660 H-A-L-L-G-R-E-N-S. 1.00

01:15:58.700 Julie, thank you so much for praying for you guys.

01:16:00.920 I appreciate you.

01:16:01.600 Thank you.

01:16:02.200 Thank you.

01:16:03.800 And that is another story, folks, of someone gone far too soon, a mother that, two now that I know,

01:16:12.720 that never got to even hold their baby. 0.98

01:16:18.340 Enough of the politics.

01:16:21.720 Quick break.

01:16:22.300 We're back after this.

01:16:24.160 Mark Lane for back today on the Glenn Beck Program.

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01:17:40.260 They're playing politics and people are dying, and you say,

01:17:49.380 Justin, I don't know.

01:17:50.680 What do you mean by that?

01:17:52.960 What do you mean politics?

01:17:56.280 That was just the other day.

01:17:58.640 Rochelle Walensky, head of the CDC, admitted it.

01:18:02.480 This is how they're making the decisions.

01:18:04.420 The newest guidance about moving the quarantine back from 10 to 5 days.

01:18:09.000 So from what you're saying, it sounds like this decision had just as much to do with business as it did with the science.

01:18:15.900 Politics.

01:18:16.680 Well, so it really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate.

01:18:23.300 We have seen relatively low rates of isolation for all of this pandemic.

01:18:28.320 Some science has demonstrated less than a third of people are isolating when they need to.

01:18:32.720 And so we really want to make sure that we had guidance in this moment where we were going to have a lot of disease.

01:18:37.460 We just wanted to make sure people would follow, you know, follow through.

01:18:41.420 That's how we set.

01:18:43.340 Apparently, it's not the science anymore, at least not the kind you always thought it was.

01:18:47.960 See, the science has always been this way.

01:18:50.340 It's been political science.

01:18:53.100 And the data?

01:18:54.520 Polling data.

01:18:56.160 Yep.

01:18:56.460 That's how it's worked from day one, folks.

01:19:00.460 And now, they're letting you in on the secret.

01:19:05.600 It's Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today in the Glenn Beck Program.

01:19:08.500 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:19:16.460 Well, it's Justin Barkley in for Glenn Beck today in the Glenn Beck Program from a sunny Grand Rapids, Michigan,

01:19:22.960 where things are nice and chilly.

01:19:25.540 And the story that we heard about our governor here possibly being kidnapped and, of course, even worse, killed throughout the course of the pandemic.

01:19:41.040 My rogue group of individuals is starting to unravel.

01:19:46.160 What's the truth?

01:19:47.720 And how is it connected to January 6th?

01:19:50.820 We'll get into all of it with our next guest on the Glenn Beck Program.

01:19:55.880 Back after this.

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01:21:03.360 You know, Governor Whitmer here in Michigan isn't very popular.

01:21:24.120 She hasn't been for quite some time now.

01:21:28.380 And much of that probably goes back to, well, the pandemic and the lockdowns happening specifically in her state of Michigan.

01:21:41.520 It's Justin Barclay today in for Glenn Beck on the Glenn Beck program.

01:21:45.980 You can follow me all over social media at Mr. Justin Barclay, Facebook, Twitter.

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01:21:57.300 But, you know, the story that I'm intimately familiar with, because throughout the last couple of years,

01:22:05.900 having to cover everything that happened, you know, as this news of the virus coming from China

01:22:14.000 and who knows what's happening and reporting closures of businesses and the governor coming out every,

01:22:21.500 gosh, I guess it was almost every day at one point with press conferences.

01:22:26.720 We were all on pins and needles.

01:22:30.420 In fact, I'd worked extra hours to report these things and to bring press conferences to people live on the radio.

01:22:36.080 We were all waiting with bated breath to find out what the governor was going to shut down next.

01:22:43.060 She made all kinds of calls that she insists were based on the science and the data.

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01:25:40.300 All right, folks.

01:25:41.220 We are back in and we went down for just a moment.

01:25:43.980 Now, listen, I know how funny this sounds.

01:25:47.980 Just as I was speaking very critically about the governor and about to tell you about an FBI plot gone wrong, this happened.

01:25:56.440 I've just been told by an engineer that it looks like it was some sort of human error on that person's part.

01:26:02.800 Not involved with the Glenn Beck folks, but somebody here in our building that I think must have either the hamster quit running on the wheel or something funny must have happened here.

01:26:13.640 But it was not the FBI.

01:26:14.840 So let me get that out there and make it clear.

01:26:17.060 But I want to give you time to acknowledge and let you know what happened there.

01:26:20.880 And, of course, I want to welcome our guest in because she's got important information, a story you may not be hearing many other places.

01:26:29.520 Julie Kelly is our guest now.

01:26:30.840 She's a writer for American Greatness, amgreatness.com.

01:26:33.420 Julie, I appreciate you being here with us today.

01:26:34.960 Thanks for having me on, Justin.

01:26:38.000 Yes, despite those technical issues, it wasn't the FBI, although nothing would surprise me these days.

01:26:45.340 Let's set this up quickly for folks so that they can understand this, though.

01:26:51.140 There was a kidnapping plot, a case that was brought to light here not too long, about a year or so ago.

01:27:00.180 And there was a group of individuals that the media started to report that were being arrested.

01:27:05.160 The FBI had done a sting on these individuals that they say were involved with militia.

01:27:11.020 And they had a plot to kidnap the governor here in Michigan, amongst other things.

01:27:16.660 And it's really fascinating.

01:27:19.020 And I'll let you kind of dig through some of this and tell us what happened.

01:27:21.860 But it's all starting really to crumble right now.

01:27:24.480 And what happened inside that investigation is all coming at so much to the point that the defense is possibly about ready to have this case dismissed.

01:27:36.800 Tell us what's going on, and how did we get here?

01:27:38.840 So the defense lawyers for there were six men charged with federal kidnapping charges and then eight other men facing state charges for this attempted plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer last year in 2020.

01:27:56.460 The charges were announced in October of 2020 as early voting was already underway in Michigan and other states.

01:28:02.960 Gretchen Whitmer had this overwrought press conference blaming Donald Trump for inciting violence against her, people wanting to kidnap her and possibly kill her. 0.99

01:28:13.400 Joe Biden made a statement, you know, just another example of the FBI interfering in a presidential election.

01:28:19.280 No big deal.

01:28:19.860 But as the court proceedings continued and have continued, defense attorneys are filing motion after motion to really substantiate an egregious case of FBI entrapment.

01:28:34.540 But for the agents and informants involved in this case, you had at least a dozen informants.

01:28:41.420 You basically had one informant per defendant involved in this case.

01:28:46.800 But for their intricate involvement, planning surveillance trips, planning military-style training camps that were then photographed and used as evidence, if the FBI hadn't taken a hold of this and managed every aspect of it, there never would be any alleged kidnapping plot.

01:29:06.940 And so defense attorneys are putting together all the evidence related to this entrapment case.

01:29:12.520 And then on Christmas Day, in the federal case, the five defense attorneys, one man has already pleaded guilty.

01:29:19.420 The five remaining federal defendants asked the court to dismiss the conspiracy to kidnap charges against them, arguing again that this never would have materialized had it not been for the careful handling of this by the FBI.

01:29:34.580 So let's break this down, because this is a very serious allegation.

01:29:43.480 But you're saying that, from what I understand, in this case, there were just as many FBI informants or FBI folks involved in this militia and the planning of this supposed kidnapping attempt,

01:29:59.040 as there were the people that are actually accused and now being charged with this, so it seems as though they planned something and tried to force something into happening,

01:30:11.020 the defense is saying that it would have never happened.

01:30:13.220 It would have never even been a thought process.

01:30:15.480 That's right, which is wholly against the law in terms of what FBI informants are supposed to be doing.

01:30:23.320 They are not, they're legally prohibited from directing any sort of crime.

01:30:29.040 And how this started, Justin, was, you know, it's chatter, online chatter about lockdown policies.

01:30:37.360 Of course, Michigan had one of the harshest lockdown policies, Gretchen Whitmer, and Donald Trump got into it for months over that.

01:30:45.120 You remember his tweet, Liberate Michigan.

01:30:47.680 And so this is how this began with these attempted, with these planned anti-lockdown rallies.

01:30:54.480 And one of them, as you know, took place in Lansing in late April, which really turned out to be the dress rehearsal for January 6th.

01:31:03.580 And the FBI was already infiltrated in this sort of loose gang of Facebook self-styled militia types.

01:31:11.540 And they had already infiltrated, had informants on the ground with people during that protest in April.

01:31:17.940 And then the FBI, with their agents out of the Detroit field office, and then, of course, their informants, carefully coaxed these suspects from lockdown rallies into, let's kidnap Gretchen Whitmer from her vacation cottage.

01:31:35.980 And either abandon her on Lake Michigan or take her to Wisconsin to face some sort of tribunal.

01:31:42.840 I mean, it was just preposterous.

01:31:44.160 But when you look at all of the contacts between the informants and the FBI agents, and it's important to know, Justin, the top three FBI agents working out of the Detroit field office have all been removed from this case.

01:31:58.780 The lead agent, Richard Trask, who signed the initial criminal complaint, was arrested for assaulting his wife, attempting to strangle her in a drunken rage after a swingers party.

01:32:09.900 He's been fired by the FBI, which is a nearly impossible thing to do.

01:32:13.440 The other two FBI agents who are handling the top informants also have been removed.

01:32:18.940 None of them will be testifying for the government in the trial that takes place in Grand Rapids in March 2022.

01:32:26.600 So this is just part of how this case is imploding.

01:32:29.840 But, of course, it's a very illuminating backdrop to what's happening with the prosecution of January 6th.

01:32:35.560 It is just wild to follow this story.

01:32:40.160 And as you mentioned, that FBI agent.

01:32:43.540 I mean, I'm right here in Grand Rapids, so I'm in the middle of this story as it's unfolding.

01:32:48.700 And the story that came out about the FBI agent to me was shocking to hear some of the details about how he allegedly had abused his wife after this party at a hotel with other folks who were engaged in this alternative lifestyle of swinging, etc.

01:33:05.860 I mean, that's an FBI agent.

01:33:08.120 That's enough.

01:33:08.680 How would they not know what's happening with their own agents on one hand?

01:33:13.460 But then what's even, I think, even more concerning is the social media posts that have come out of from this individual.

01:33:20.520 That's right.

01:33:20.980 What he's posted online and what he posted about the president as the president was still in office from an FBI agent is just mind-blowing.

01:33:30.160 Well, as I wrote, he's basically Peter Strzok without the law degree and a bunch of tattoos.

01:33:36.660 I mean, this is the same sort of thing we saw from the FBI, top FBI officials that weren't covered in text messages.

01:33:44.300 Peter Strzok and his girlfriend Lisa Page. 0.99

01:33:46.640 You know, these people are just, you know, they're cheaters and they're liars. 0.99

01:33:51.640 And they talk smack about people who are going to be their boss or are their boss, including the president of the United States. 0.98

01:34:00.160 I mean, these are lowlights.

01:34:02.020 And when you, I encourage people to look up the video of Richard Strzok being arrested.

01:34:06.560 He's drunk.

01:34:07.540 They never, of course, make him take a breathalyzer.

01:34:09.480 And he was not charged with drunk driving, even though he obviously was inebriated.

01:34:13.480 He had no shoes on, no shirt.

01:34:15.840 He's covered in tattoos.

01:34:17.460 He's bleeding because he had gotten in this fight with his wife where he bashed her head against the nightstand and tried to strangle.

01:34:23.640 I mean, this is not anyone who should be in a position of authority, especially contesting a plot where you now entrap what looks like innocent men so they can, once again, the FBI make big announcements, interfere in a presidential election in a key swing state like Michigan,

01:34:41.080 and use these low-life agents and low-life informants that the other informant has now been charged with two crimes for illegally possessing a firearm and now fraud.

01:34:52.480 And he committed those crimes while he was working as an informant in this caper.

01:34:58.540 And unfortunately, Justin, this is a reflection of our FBI from top to bottom.

01:35:04.860 It is a criminal enterprise that is now targeting the American people.

01:35:09.980 And I don't think it's salvageable.

01:35:12.560 And if Republicans take over and soon we get a Republican president, this agency needs to be completely disassembled because it is not working in the best interest of the American people, truth, or justice.

01:35:25.380 It is working against it.

01:35:29.140 So what does that look like?

01:35:30.900 How does that process?

01:35:31.780 What is this conversation of accountability?

01:35:34.480 Because whether you actually take the whole thing apart or you just clean it out all the way down to the studs, what does that look like?

01:35:46.080 We have to have that conversation.

01:35:47.520 And what's the tie-in with this in January 6th?

01:35:50.900 If you can stay with us, I definitely appreciate it.

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01:35:54.200 She's with us at AmericanGreatness.com.

01:35:55.860 We'll be back with this story more in moments.

01:35:59.920 This is Justin Barkley, live from Michigan, actually, on the Glenn Beck Program and for Glenn today, back after this.

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01:37:19.780 So the case is crumbling.

01:37:25.260 The defense has moved now to have this case of the Whitmer kidnapping governor here in Michigan, the kidnapping dismissed in the federal court.

01:37:33.660 And some of the details behind, because the FBI's involvement, they say entrapment here in this case, the details coming out are just shocking.

01:37:45.180 On with us right now, talking about what's happening behind the scenes.

01:37:48.460 It's Julie Kelly.

01:37:49.080 She's a writer with American Greatness and greatness.com.

01:37:51.440 Welcome back.

01:37:51.860 Appreciate you hanging with us to talk a little bit more, because there is a connection between this detail, what happened here in this case, the FBI program it originated from, and possibly even what happened on January 6th?

01:38:06.860 That's right.

01:38:08.860 The Whitmer caper originated out of something called Operation Cold Snap, which was launched by the FBI in the spring of 2020.

01:38:18.800 The pretext was to infiltrate alleged militia groups who were plotting anti-lockdown protests across the country.

01:38:27.700 So this was how they infiltrated the Wolverine Watchmen, which was nothing more than a Facebook group.

01:38:34.800 It was organized back in November of 2019, just a few months before this whole paper got underway.

01:38:41.940 The FBI agents, the FBI agents, the two main agents out of the Detroit field office who were counterterrorism, declared the Wolverine Watchmen a domestic terror threat.

01:38:54.980 And I'm laughing because it's so preposterous.

01:38:57.960 But this then opens up the pathway for them to do whatever they want, run informants, run undercover agents, surveil, wiretap, et cetera.

01:39:06.260 And so that's what they did.

01:39:09.140 Now, they also obviously infiltrated other militia groups.

01:39:13.540 One of the special agents involved testified this was going on in other states as well.

01:39:20.640 And look, Justin, you know, the New York Times confirmed this back in September.

01:39:24.300 At least two informants were infiltrated into the Proud Boys, another alleged militia group who brought no weapons to the Capitol on January 6th.

01:39:34.060 These people aren't really good at militia-ing.

01:39:37.700 And so they already had two FBI informants infiltrated that group.

01:39:41.920 They were at the Capitol.

01:39:42.900 They were actually present at the very first breach outside the Capitol grounds right before 1 o'clock on January 6th.

01:39:50.400 We know that there are informants in the three percenters. 0.97

01:39:54.740 Get this.

01:39:55.300 One of the top informants, Stephen Robeson, who I just referred to, who has now been charged with two other crimes related to what he did during the Whitmer-Caper.

01:40:05.940 He also is the founder of the Wisconsin chapter of the three percenters. 0.98

01:40:10.420 Now, if that doesn't raise all sorts of eyebrows to the fact that most of these militia groups, the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, the three percenters, are merely FBI front groups to lure these people into their various traps, then I don't know what it is.

01:40:28.960 Here's another example, and my friend Darren Beatty keeps bringing this up.

01:40:32.740 The founder of the Oath Keepers, one of the other three main militia groups, Stuart Rhodes, is person one in every single indictment related to January 6th.

01:40:46.780 The Oath Keepers now have about 20 defendants charged with conspiracy and other crimes related to January 6th.

01:40:52.120 He is person one in every single indictment.

01:40:55.740 We now are almost at the one-year anniversary.

01:40:58.020 Stuart Rhodes still has not been charged with any crime, even though he alleged to be the mastermind behind the conspiracy to, quote-unquote, attack the Capitol on January 6th.

01:41:10.840 He attended all these meetings.

01:41:13.200 He was leading a lot of the group chats.

01:41:15.380 But here he is.

01:41:16.560 While you have men who have been in prison under pretrial detention orders since February and March, charged in the Oath Keepers conspiracy case,

01:41:25.620 Stuart Rhodes isn't even facing one misdemeanor charge for trespassing or disorderly conduct or anything about January 6th.

01:41:34.240 So when you really start to dig into these militia groups and see how many informants were involved,

01:41:40.240 how many unindicted co-conspirators like Stuart Rhodes that there are,

01:41:43.940 you really have to wonder, and especially using the Whitmer caper as a backdrop,

01:41:49.560 how much of this has been orchestrated, executed, prompted by the activity of what we know is a highly partisan, politically interfering FBI.

01:42:03.760 I mean, this goes back to Crossfire Hurricane.

01:42:05.920 Here we are five and a half years later, and the FBI is still getting involved in domestic elections and domestic politics.

01:42:12.480 Now, I know you've written, Julie Kelly's on with us right now, she's a writer at amgreatness.com, American Greatness, a blog,

01:42:21.920 but you've actually written a book about January 6th as well, how Democrats, it's called January 6th,

01:42:27.280 how Democrats, the Capitol protest, use the Capitol protest to launch a war on terror against the political right.

01:42:32.840 What about some of the things that we continue to see coming out?

01:42:37.020 Particularly, there's a video of a man, January 6th, that is seen in quite a bit of video.

01:42:48.180 We keep hearing that we're going to get down to the bottom of this, we get this, you know, in the House, this January 6th committee.

01:42:55.220 They're not really interested in looking at, because I do believe we ought to know what exactly happened January 6th.

01:43:01.960 There are some real and serious questions that I have about that day.

01:43:06.400 Who is this man that is seen in a lot of the videos that is urging people to commit violent acts and to do certain things that we still don't know much about?

01:43:17.580 His name is Ray Epps.

01:43:19.560 He also is associated with the Oath Keepers group out of Arizona.

01:43:23.560 He is the man who is seen in downtown Washington, D.C. on the night of January 5th, mixed in with Trump supporters, urging them to go inside the Capitol that day.

01:43:36.060 His activity was so suspicious that night that a group of them started chanting feds at him.

01:43:42.140 He's then seen on video the next day, first directing people who are leaving Trump's speech at the Ellipse and directing them towards Capitol Hill, where they could get, you know, where they could find the Capitol building, obviously.

01:43:54.940 And then Ray Epps is the man who whispers in the ear of Ryan Samsoe, a January 6th defendant, who is technically the first person to breach this really light line of police barricades and four or five just regular Capitol police officers.

01:44:15.180 Ryan Samsoe breaches that line at about 1255 on January 6th.

01:44:20.320 The last person he talks to is Ray Epps.

01:44:24.800 So why Ray Epps still almost a year later, even though him obviously prompting people to go to the Capitol, says something to Ryan Samsoe, who then breaches the first line that day.

01:44:37.220 Why he has not been charged.

01:44:39.020 And, you know, he's been questioned by the media.

01:44:42.480 Representative Tom Massey confronted Attorney General Merrick Garland during a hearing a few months ago, played the video of Ray Epps and demanded to know why, when so many other, we know 700 or so defendants, why so many other people have been charged related to their activity on January 6th.

01:44:59.340 But here is Ray Epps, a man clearly inciting people to go to the Capitol, commit illegal acts, why he still remains uncharged.

01:45:08.440 So at this point, Justin, their question is not who's been charged, but who has not been charged.

01:45:15.180 And, of course, the top two people are Ray Epps and Stuart Rhodes.

01:45:19.920 Why, if they were so involved in promoting planning violence that day, planning going to the Capitol, going into the Capitol building, why, if those people are all charged with crimes, why the people who incited that activity still remain free?

01:45:40.320 Talking with Julie Kelly right now, who is a writer for AmericanGreatness.com, the blog, AMGreatness.com.

01:45:47.240 And then also the author of January 6th, How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right.

01:45:55.520 Julie, a lot of this is we talk about that plot to kidnap the governor here in Michigan that turns out to be some sort of an FBI scam, that connection here to January 6th.

01:46:08.780 And then one other question I have for you, because we don't hear much about them.

01:46:14.440 I know Tucker has talked about it.

01:46:16.420 I know certain folks have talked about it.

01:46:18.240 But the people that are currently locked up right now who were charged that are in that jail in D.C., the media has been very quiet about a lot of them.

01:46:28.880 And what we have heard that's come out, some really horrible conditions from some of these folks.

01:46:34.680 Regardless, whether they committed the most heinous act or not, I mean, they're being treated much worse than somebody like Ghislaine Maxwell,

01:46:44.200 who apparently was guilty of some really horrible things.

01:46:49.980 But these folks, their tale, their story isn't being told much.

01:46:53.200 What's really going on with some of them?

01:46:54.800 Right. It's just astonishing.

01:46:57.920 We have political prisoners, at least four dozen, held in a special prison in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol building.

01:47:07.500 The media knows that they're political prisoners.

01:47:10.220 The judges who are keeping them there know that they're political prisoners.

01:47:13.760 The Justice Department knows that they're political prisoners.

01:47:16.760 But they are completely ignored.

01:47:19.300 Now, it's important to emphasize these are men who have not been charged with any crime.

01:47:24.700 They are being held under pretrial detention orders.

01:47:28.320 Some of them will be in jail for 18 months before their trial date is even beginning.

01:47:34.960 Simply for the fact, Justin, that they protested Joe Biden's election on January 6th.

01:47:40.240 That is a fact.

01:47:41.340 It has nothing to do with the fact that they're a threat to their community.

01:47:44.140 It has nothing to do with the fact that they're flight risks, which are the two animating factors when judges consider denying bail to people.

01:47:52.520 And we have federal judges in Washington, D.C., from Trump appointees to Obama appointees to Reagan appointees,

01:47:58.960 who are going along with this Justice Department, the Biden regime's political persecution of innocent men,

01:48:05.500 holding them behind bars, mostly in solitary confinement.

01:48:09.040 They've been physically assaulted.

01:48:11.160 They are being mentally and emotionally abused.

01:48:13.500 Some of them deprived food.

01:48:15.640 They've been some of them have been strip searched in an almost sexually exploitive way.

01:48:21.360 And these judges, I'll tell you what, this D.C. district court is a national disgrace.

01:48:26.940 It is scary to listen to these court hearings, to hear what happens in Washington, D.C.

01:48:32.560 You not only have an FBI actively working against the American people, you have the entire power center of this great country populated by evil people who want to punish American citizens because they dared to protect the election of Joe Biden for a few hours on January 6th.

01:48:51.800 They are not representative of the goodness and decency of this country.

01:48:56.260 It has been alarming, to say the least, for me to follow this for the past year.

01:49:02.700 But when I say these people, judges, prosecutors, the news media, go down the list, have nothing but contempt for most of the American people.

01:49:11.320 That is not an overstatement.

01:49:12.940 That is my experience, and it's actually quite terrifying to cover it as a journalist.

01:49:18.780 Julie, is there accountability here?

01:49:20.800 And I know you mentioned about maybe just doing away with this agency altogether.

01:49:24.840 I don't know.

01:49:26.080 What does accountability look like?

01:49:28.060 I mean, when the Republicans take the House next year, they have to turn this around on the Democrats, just like this January 6th committee is.

01:49:38.140 They need to start their own special committee.

01:49:41.180 They need to ask for a special prosecutor, which they won't get, of course, under a Democratic Justice Department.

01:49:46.500 But they need to hold their own hearings.

01:49:48.620 They need every single line prosecutor who has signed these charges.

01:49:52.340 They need to bring the judges in.

01:49:53.800 They need to bring in every FBI agent, including Christopher Wray, and they need to explain to the American people what they did on January 6th.

01:50:03.960 But more importantly, how they are tormenting, destroying the lives of people who did nothing more than trespass in what they believed was a public building.

01:50:13.280 Some people for less than 10 minutes.

01:50:15.340 And their entire lives have been destroyed.

01:50:17.460 Their families have been destroyed.

01:50:18.860 They've been bankrupted.

01:50:20.120 They've been canceled by their neighbors, some people by their own churches.

01:50:25.820 I mean, what is happening to these people, while this DOJ, this FBI, this D.C. district court, and now this D.C. jail are doing, this is really the sort of stuff you never believed would happen in America, but it's happening right in front of our eyes.

01:50:41.400 Julie, I appreciate you taking the time.

01:50:45.560 Thank you for writing about this.

01:50:47.220 Thank you for talking about it and for giving folks a voice that don't have one right now.

01:50:52.380 January 6th, How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right.

01:50:57.400 Julie Kelly, an author and writer at American Greatness, amgreatness.com.

01:51:02.120 Julie, thanks for taking the time to be here with us today.

01:51:03.880 We appreciate you.

01:51:04.580 Thanks so much for having me on.

01:51:06.640 Keep up the fight, the fight for truth, folks, and now accountability in this situation as the truth starts to come.

01:51:16.900 That's the thing about the light.

01:51:17.860 No matter how much darkness, just the light of a single candle can snuff out the darkness.

01:51:24.460 That's what they're afraid of.

01:51:27.700 Now, look, I know there are some folks that did some horrible things on January 6th.

01:51:32.240 I saw some of it, but I also saw people that just, you know, grandmothers walked right through, opened doors.

01:51:39.360 I got to tell you, I think this story of what happened that day, I don't know if we'll ever know the truth,

01:51:46.920 but I think there's much more to what we're being told in the media, and we need to hear more.

01:51:53.700 We'll continue to follow it.

01:51:54.960 Barkley, back in for back.

01:51:56.000 We continue right after this.

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01:53:19.140 Well, the news never stops, at least in 2020 and 21.

01:53:29.520 And I have a feeling 22 is going to be much of the same way.

01:53:36.240 And no matter what, we'll be here to cover it.

01:53:39.760 We'll be here with the truth.

01:53:41.280 And hopefully, that leads to some accountability.

01:53:45.860 And some of these stories that you've heard that are happening, there are unintended consequences.

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The Glenn Beck Program - December 30, 2021

Ghislaine Maxwell is Found Guilty ｜ Guest Host： Justin Barclay ｜ 12⧸30⧸21

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