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00:01:59.620 Oh my goodness. There is so much to report today. Still more on the Biden crime family.

00:02:11.300 We have, oh man, I mean, it's the sacrifices that politicians make for us is just beyond description.

00:02:23.420 I'll, I'll, I'll fill you on and fill you in on that in just a second. Also, Fat Con in Philadelphia,

00:02:29.000 the very first fat person convention is happening. Climate change, of course, still happening.

00:02:35.480 And Bigfoot, Bigfoot, apparently Oregon's decided he's just a hairy white guy named Cliff.

00:02:46.500 All the news you need to know today. It's Friday.

00:02:50.400 All right. It's the weekend. You have plans. Do those plans include firing up the grill and throwing

00:02:59.280 on some nice thick juicy steaks or burgers, maybe a good old fashioned barbecue of chicken breast.

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00:03:55.720 that's good ranchers.com promo code Beck. Okay. Well, I, I really don't want to get into it. Um,

00:04:05.700 but I mean, we've been dancing around it for a week and apparently the plea agreement, uh,

00:04:13.860 fell through yesterday afternoon for Stu. And, um, I, you know, when, when it comes out,

00:04:21.780 then he can talk about it. I don't want to talk about it, but, uh, I mean, when Kevin Spacey came

00:04:28.660 out to testify against him, I thought that was, that was a surprise to me, Pat. Um, yeah, I was

00:04:35.860 stunned. It's not, we better not talk about it anymore. He should be back at any time. Uh, but

00:04:44.820 things are getting dicey for him. Obviously not yet. He's, he's not back yet. Yeah. Uh, let me, uh,

00:04:51.540 uh, let me go into, uh, some sacrifice that I, I think is, I mean, this is heroic, heroic. In fact,

00:04:58.580 do we have any, uh, do we have like the theme from Gandhi or anything? Uh, Sarah, just some sad music

00:05:05.060 would be. Yeah. Let me tell you about a democratic congressman from Texas, Texas. He barely survived

00:05:14.900 a thirst strike. Yeah. He went without water for more than eight grueling hours.

00:05:26.340 Yeah. Not days, not weeks, eight, no hours, hours, hours. Have you ever gone without water for eight

00:05:35.480 full hours? Well, every night that I go to bed. Yeah. And, uh, a lot of days I do that too.

00:05:43.680 He said yesterday was incredible. I was honored to be joined at my thirst strike by workers in

00:05:50.720 Texas and across the nations and by a lot of colleagues pushing for federal heat and safety

00:05:57.040 protections. Now he went nine hours without food or water. He said, I'm more energized now than ever

00:06:04.820 before. Uh, and it was, it was amazing. I don't know if you saw the picture. Literally, I'm not making

00:06:12.720 this up a picture of him receiving medical attention, uh, afterwards. Wanted to make sure

00:06:19.300 that can we, can we play that video here? This is, uh, yeah, there he is. There he is. Celebration.

00:06:30.640 He's still walking. He is still walking. And he's standing there. That is incredible.

00:06:39.540 Yeah. Yeah. What they said. Right. Oh, okay. All right. Well, this was exciting and, uh, and harrowing

00:06:55.940 all day. Don't know why he was doing it. Don't really care. Now in Philadelphia, a fat person

00:07:02.040 convention known as fat con will be the first of its kind hope hosted in temple university in

00:07:09.220 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The, uh, fat focused convention told the Philadelphia inquirer that

00:07:17.500 the event will be better than just providing buzzwords like body positivity and body neutrality.

00:07:25.280 They said, quote, we're not into the buzzwords because we've seen how it affects and impacts

00:07:31.300 people. It makes people feel either included or excluded. The idea of the convention, according

00:07:40.240 to operators is to help fat people navigate this fat phobic world and society in a different

00:07:47.360 way. I don't know if they've noticed, but most Americans, have you been to Disneyland or Disney

00:07:52.320 world? We are enormous, enormously fat. Uh, the convention will include fat centric fitness

00:08:01.800 classes such as curves and stilettos. Uh, it's, uh, held by an alleged professional dancer.

00:08:11.940 And when I say professional dancer, remember a professional is just someone who gets paid

00:08:17.260 for it. Uh, and, uh, her paychecks, uh, usually go right directly into her panties. The class

00:08:25.060 claims it encourages true self-expression by challenging the status quo. Additionally, uh,

00:08:32.160 attendees can take part in the twerk less, uh, class, a class focused on celebrating quote,

00:08:41.180 jiggles rolls and culture. The stripping inspired class is hosted by a burlesque instructor. Uh,

00:08:51.140 panels will also be there to discuss topics such as fat fashion, social media influencing,

00:08:57.800 and how to navigate fat phobia. The phrase quote, body positivity has become bogged down with relating

00:09:07.720 to body image. Body positivity has been bogged down with relating to body image. Yeah. They're both

00:09:19.080 about the body. You're fat. Body positivity is supposed to make you feel good about how you look 0.99

00:09:25.320 in that image of you in the mirror. Oh my gosh, these people, what people in larger bodies need is

00:09:31.700 to step away from constantly talking about body image. No, actually what people like me with larger

00:09:38.540 bodies need to do is step away from the in and out burger place. That's what we really need to do.

00:09:45.760 We need to stop quote, constantly talking about body image because that can be very triggering for

00:09:51.720 folks who have disabilities, chronic illness, people who have been diet, uh, dieting on and off their

00:09:57.560 entire lives and developed eating disorders because of it. Other draws include a fat sex therapist 0.80

00:10:07.160 named Sonali Rashtwar. Uh, their pronouns are they and he, which makes no sense at all. They are, uh, 0.94

00:10:18.680 quote, they are a super fat queer bisexual non-binary therapist who sounds completely healthy.

00:10:27.560 And co-founder of Radical Therapy Center, specializing in treatment of sexual trauma,

00:10:34.220 diet trauma, racial or immigrant trauma, and South Asian family abuse. Man, finally, there is somebody

00:10:45.260 who is doing fat trauma, sexual trauma, racial and immigrant, and South Asian family abuse. 0.98

00:10:55.500 Um, they also offer, uh, fat positive, uh, sexual health care because apparently, uh, if you're fat, 0.98

00:11:06.020 you have a hard time having sex, which I don't know because, uh, I've been concentrating on the real 0.99

00:11:13.820 issue. This story just out today, when the fires from Canada blanketed New York, I sat in smoke last

00:11:21.300 month. My partner and I tried to have sex in the early evening, but the terrible air quality outside

00:11:28.060 made us shallow breath and racked by coughing fits in the orange light. Our lungs had been the subject

00:11:36.280 of much neurosis. I don't think it's your lungs. It has an, for the last three years, a pandemic deeply

00:11:44.020 intertwined with climate change, the pandemic deeply entwined with climate change. And when we finally

00:11:54.880 caught the virus eight months before the smoke came, we developed a cough that wouldn't leave us.

00:12:00.340 Now we don't know if he's talking about the couple, him and his partner, uh, that developed a cough,

00:12:10.280 uh, or not, because we can't really understand anything. When the news media just reports,

00:12:16.620 we developed a cough that wouldn't leave us. Every generation thinks the world is ending. My friend's

00:12:24.140 dad told us months before, but as we ate sweet corn cakes on an unseasonably warm spring night,

00:12:30.980 he said, but you guys might be right. Yeah. Apparently, uh, there is alarming, I'm quoting

00:12:38.640 alarming evidence that climate change, both directly and indirectly impacts our sexual health,

00:12:46.160 including, including due to increased gender-based violence or disruptions in sexual or reproductive

00:12:55.660 services because of extreme weather. You know, Pat, I got to tell you, I was, um, trying to get to

00:13:02.560 Planned Parenthood to get a condom the other day. And the sign said, it's too hot outside global warming.

00:13:11.040 All of our condoms melted. And so I had to go home and my, no, yeah, my reproductive services

00:13:18.880 have been disrupted because of extreme weather. I mean, it's happening every day. Yeah. Uh, the article

00:13:25.740 goes on, it's getting hotter. So sex might become a more uncomfortable, sweaty affair, 0.56

00:13:32.020 but the thornier question is perhaps is to ask how intimacy is changing in the face

00:13:40.240 of impending doom. Now, these people have air conditioning. Have they ever heard of it?

00:13:49.920 There's something called the air conditioning, you know, maybe a fan going more after the,

00:13:55.720 I was, I was going more after the impending doom, but, uh, you know, air conditioning does

00:14:01.420 make doom a little better. Yeah. Yeah. Now, if, if you think that story might be over the top,

00:14:09.760 I want you to know that if you haven't heard, uh, from United Nations secretary general,

00:14:16.380 Antonio Gutierrez, um, you don't know how bad it is. Here he is on global warming this week.

00:14:26.420 And for scientists, it is unequivocal. Humans are to blame. All this is entirely consistent

00:14:33.800 with predictions and repeated warnings. The only surprise is the speed of the change. Climate

00:14:41.520 change is here. It is terrifying and it is just the beginning. Oh my gosh. The era of global warming

00:14:49.420 has ended the era, the era of global boiling has arrived. Oh, global. The air is unbreathable.

00:14:57.160 Wow. The heat is unbreathable. And the level of fossil fuel profits and climate in action

00:15:03.080 is unacceptable. Oh, unacceptable. Livers must live. Wow. Livers must live. And I love that.

00:15:12.300 Now I'm going to turn into a bat. Oh, that's scary. More scary stuff, but I'm going to help you

00:15:23.980 out. Uh, not everything is bad. We have some good news. Uh, Portland, Oregon. Uh, it is, uh, now the,

00:15:32.520 the Curry County tourism promotions committee has announced, uh, that their new mascot is Sasquatch,

00:15:42.640 uh, otherwise known as Bigfoot. And, uh, they have, uh, made a mascot of Sasquatch. And apparently,

00:15:50.880 uh, he is a blue eyed dude named cliff. Hmm. I think we've said it all today. Let's take a break.

00:16:02.520 Hmm. A listener of mine, Pam, couldn't sleep unless she lay flat on her back, staring up at the

00:16:11.800 ceiling. She'd have shooting pains that started in her shoulders and then radiated down her arms,

00:16:17.080 sleeping on her side stomach out. She had always been a side sleeper. That is the worst when you

00:16:26.160 can't sleep the way you usually do. Then she heard me talk about relief factors. She was skeptical.

00:16:31.040 She said she tried other pain relievers before, and none of them really helped. She tried it

00:16:35.180 nonetheless, because she's a listener of mine. She's better than you because you haven't tried.

00:16:43.140 What do you think about that new approach to advertising, Pat? I think it's going to work

00:16:47.340 big time. Belittling the people that don't. People love it. You didn't try it. Pam is so much better than

00:16:54.280 you. Yeah. What happened? Something that didn't happen to you. A few weeks later in Pam found that

00:17:00.880 she could sleep the, any old way she wanted. That's right. That's right. Pam has her life

00:17:07.500 together. Do you? I think this is going to work three week, quick start 1995. It's trial pack. Try it

00:17:16.520 right now. Relieffactor.com. Relieffactor.com. Look, I understand being skeptical. I was the same

00:17:21.900 1-800-4-RELIEF. 1-800-4-RELIEF. Relieffactor.com. 10 seconds. Station ID.

00:17:28.740 This is going to be disturbing, Pat. Now, not as disturbing as that incredible nine. I can't get

00:17:48.920 past that. Yeah, I know. Nine hours without food or water. No one's ever. That's unprecedented. No

00:17:54.240 one's ever done that. That's never been done. Never been done. Never. No. I mean, a full nine

00:18:00.660 hours without a donut or water. I mean, I can't. Good thing medical aid was right around the corner

00:18:09.800 for that conversation. And they had a big bottle of water ready for him at the end of the line there.

00:18:14.880 Did they? Yeah. But he pushed it away, didn't he? No, he drank it. He was like, no, I don't want

00:18:19.280 that. He drank it. Oh, he drank it. Yeah, he did. Okay. Well, he was about to go blind.

00:18:23.920 And that's a horrible, horrible way to die. The longest fast anybody has ever had up until

00:18:30.140 that point was like three and a half minutes. And now, look at that guy. Nine hours. Bang.

00:18:38.120 Wow. Yeah. Incredible. And you do believe that he is still alive, right? Well, I saw him on

00:18:45.580 video. So that's all I have to go by. Yeah, well, there's a lot of deep fakes out there.

00:18:50.080 That's true. That's probably it's probably the Republicans trying to make it look like he didn't

00:18:55.320 sacrifice his life, you know, for whatever it is he was protesting. Now, a recently passed Florida law

00:19:05.240 known as Senate Bill 254 now makes transgender surgeries and hormone therapies with irreversible

00:19:14.600 effects legal for minors in the state while requiring people to use bathrooms and locker

00:19:21.300 rooms according to their biological sex. My gosh, circumventing the often cited problem of narcissistic

00:19:29.080 parents using their children and as political fashion accessories. The law outlines the reality

00:19:36.260 that minors do not have the capacity to consent and that sex change procedures should wait until

00:19:43.660 they're adults. Now, this is sickening. This is the kind of stuff you get in Florida now. 0.89

00:19:51.840 And not everybody is happy. I'll tell you that right now. And are you ready? Some leftist parents say

00:19:59.660 they must, must now flee places like Florida to keep their children safe. And as a potential homeowner

00:20:10.960 someday in Florida, I say, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. This is the way 0.99

00:20:18.760 the problem is solved. All we have to do is say you can't mutilate your children and that pisses them

00:20:28.240 off so much. They leave. Why didn't we try that the first day? Oh man, political mass migrations of

00:20:39.920 Americans are now commonplace. Millions upon millions of people are leaving blue states, not red 0.99

00:20:46.780 states, blue states. I personally would like to advocate, I said this earlier this week, for passing

00:20:56.660 common sense constitutional laws that just reinforce things like, hey, no genital mutilation of your

00:21:05.780 children. Okay, let's pass those. Let's pass those common sense laws that make it very uncomfortable

00:21:13.940 for the extremists to come in and wreck our states. People are self-selecting right now. I'm thinking

00:21:23.320 about building a city that is just, I don't know, has Rush Limbaugh Boulevard in it. You know, I think that's

00:21:30.480 what we should do. We should have Rush Limbaugh, you know, Martin Luther King Boulevard. We should have

00:21:34.820 Rush Limbaugh Boulevard. I think, you know, you put that in the middle of the city, you know,

00:21:42.400 somebody's coming in like, I hear this is a nice city. Maybe me and my progressive family should move

00:21:47.080 in Rush Limbaugh. It will be fantastic. Just throwing that out. By the way, Mitt Romney yesterday

00:22:00.260 agreed with Adam Schiff that it shouldn't be illegal for government to use big tech for censorship.

00:22:08.660 So I think that was, I think that was good. Really, really liked that. He's good all the way around,

00:22:16.320 isn't he? Man, I'll bet Utah's really happy they voted for him. Well, yeah, look. Oh, he's wearing

00:22:24.180 a wiener ball cap because he likes wieners. Look at that, right up there. Yeah, yeah, that is great.

00:22:30.160 If you're watching Blaze TV, you'll see. But that is great. Mitt Romney, you're doing a bang-up job.

00:22:39.020 I'm going to be talking to several people that want to run for Mitt Romney's job, I think,

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00:24:21.760 Yesterday, I was, you know, not so stunned that Feinstein had to be told exactly how to vote. She

00:24:43.200 was completely out of it. But I was looking at her and I noticed she's beginning to look a lot like 0.97

00:24:51.260 the emperor from Star Wars. And do we have those pictures side by side here? Because it's,

00:24:58.360 look at that. Well, no, that's me and her. Now put the two side by side. 0.99

00:25:02.580 Okay, there you go. There you go. Right?

00:25:05.320 Ah, yes.

00:25:06.080 I mean, they could be the same person. Her hair looks like the cowl.

00:25:09.940 If she was wearing a hoodie, it would be the same person.

00:25:13.220 It would be. Well, unfortunately, the Democratic hoodie belongs to Fetterman. So we have that.

00:25:20.020 Here's what happened with Dianne Feinstein yesterday. She is being asked for her vote,

00:25:25.360 and she has no idea what's going on.

00:25:28.500 Senator Feinstein.

00:25:29.500 I would like to support a yes vote on this. It provides $823 billion. That's an increase of $26

00:25:50.820 billion for the Department of Defense. And it funds priorities submitted.

00:25:58.420 Just say aye. Let's say aye.

00:26:01.280 Yeah, just say aye.

00:26:02.540 Okay. Just aye.

00:26:05.240 Aye. Thank you.

00:26:07.980 Wow. Oh, my gosh.

00:26:09.500 Wow.

00:26:10.160 Oh, my gosh. Now, we have Feinstein. Here's Joe Biden.

00:26:15.700 If you could do anything at all, Joe, what would you do? I said I'd cure cancer. It looked

00:26:21.760 at me like, why cancer? Because no one thinks we can. That's why. And we can. We end the

00:26:28.120 cancer as we know it. And we're still feeling the profound loss of the pandemic, as I mentioned,

00:26:33.860 of over 100 people dead. That's 100 empty chairs around the kitchen table.

00:26:39.520 100 people dead.

00:26:41.500 Empty chairs and empty tables. 0.99

00:26:45.460 So, there he is, our president, who you and I both know, completely incompetent. 0.89

00:26:53.720 I don't say that with glee. I say that as somebody who really thinks the Biden family is engaged in

00:27:00.880 elder abuse. But you have Feinstein. Same thing. You have Biden. Earlier this week, we had Mitch

00:27:09.400 McConnell completely freeze. Watch.

00:27:12.820 He's in cooperation and a string of string of hello. He's obviously having some sort of

00:27:26.540 neurological event right now. Something is happening to his brain. Then, if that's not

00:27:33.640 enough, you also have Fetterman.

00:27:39.060 Yeah.

00:27:40.420 We have, yeah, here he comes.

00:27:42.840 Here he is.

00:27:43.960 Really, like the 95, 95, 95.

00:27:49.660 You know.

00:27:50.660 You know, the 95, 95, 95.

00:27:53.140 Obviously, you're pretty much preoccupied with 95.

00:27:57.240 All right. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. 0.99

00:28:00.420 Now, these four examples are leaders.

00:28:05.960 They're leaders. Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Feinstein, and Fetterman.

00:28:12.040 This is cruel. Just on the one hand, just cruel.

00:28:18.940 Cruel to them, cruelty by their families, and quite honestly, cruel to the American people.

00:28:27.860 Because these people don't have any idea what they're doing.

00:28:32.300 You know what this says?

00:28:33.500 This says it doesn't matter who is elected.

00:28:37.300 We just need a cog.

00:28:38.900 All we need is somebody with an R or a D.

00:28:43.260 Put them in there, and the machine will work.

00:28:46.900 This shows you that our government is no longer about the individual at the government level, even.

00:28:54.960 They don't believe in the individual.

00:28:56.700 They don't need the individual.

00:28:58.400 All they need are little cogs that say R or D.

00:29:02.560 Just say yes.

00:29:03.480 Just say yes.

00:29:04.980 Just say I.

00:29:05.880 That's all you have to say.

00:29:07.300 Now, you add to that Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, and everybody's favorite, our vice president, Kamala Harris.

00:29:19.320 When we invest in clean energy and electric vehicles and reduce population,

00:29:25.020 more of our children can breathe clean air and drink clean water.

00:29:30.420 That's right.

00:29:31.540 More of our children.

00:29:32.460 Well, less of our children because we're reducing the population.

00:29:34.900 This is the woman that said, AI is a fancy word.

00:29:40.180 No, it's actually two words, but it's a fancy word, and it's two words.

00:29:47.360 Artificial intelligence.

00:29:49.920 Now, that's the kind of first grader mentality that we have going on as our vice president. 0.99

00:29:57.040 Nancy Pelosi, damn near senile. 1.00

00:30:00.720 Maxine Waters, damn near senile. 1.00

00:30:03.480 Then you go to Ilan Omar, who Ilan Omar said this week, 120,000 years. 0.96

00:30:13.120 In 120,000 years, we have never had a hotter day than we just had.

00:30:20.900 And we just had three in a row.

00:30:25.580 What?

00:30:28.780 The hottest three days in 120,000 years.

00:30:34.680 How are you measuring that?

00:30:37.000 How are you possibly measuring that?

00:30:39.480 Then you add all of the rest of the squad. 1.00

00:30:44.040 You have Marxist, racist, anti-Semites who are either brain dead, damaged, or simply stupid. 1.00

00:30:53.580 Then add to that in our government, you have those who are obvious liars and thieves. 1.00

00:30:59.560 Adam Schiff, Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell. 0.94

00:31:02.920 You want to know why our country's on the edge?

00:31:06.800 Because you keep voting for these people.

00:31:10.180 Now, I know you're right now going, I didn't vote for these people.

00:31:13.120 No, uh-uh.

00:31:14.140 But your friends and neighbors did.

00:31:17.040 Oh, it's not my guy.

00:31:18.920 California.

00:31:20.320 California.

00:31:21.120 Feinstein.

00:31:22.960 Pennsylvania.

00:31:23.980 Fetterman.

00:31:25.300 Kentucky.

00:31:26.260 McConnell.

00:31:28.360 Biden.

00:31:29.840 The United States of America.

00:31:32.920 You know, and then some other things that were stuffed into.

00:31:36.000 Maxine Waters.

00:31:37.680 Texas.

00:31:38.900 Nancy Pelosi.

00:31:39.780 California.

00:31:40.800 Kamala Harris.

00:31:41.840 The United States of America.

00:31:43.940 Elon Omar.

00:31:46.760 I mean, you at least have.

00:31:49.120 Look, I'm dealing with severe weather all the time.

00:31:51.540 It's always cold up in Minnesota.

00:31:53.520 I mean, you can't expect us to deal with a cold and pick a decent representative, right?

00:32:02.020 What is wrong with us?

00:32:06.640 We get the government we deserve.

00:32:10.060 We have the government we deserve.

00:32:12.640 If you seriously re-elect Fetterman, re-elect Feinstein, McConnell, Biden, how is Biden even a serious consideration for anyone? 1.00

00:32:28.780 How is the greatest nation, the most powerful nation on earth, have a senile president, and the person that, if he dies or is taken out of office, is replaced by a complete and total idiot? 1.00

00:32:47.420 Because it's a machine. 1.00

00:32:53.580 That's it.

00:32:54.900 Doesn't matter.

00:32:56.080 It's a machine.

00:32:57.080 They don't care.

00:32:58.480 They have the people around those people to tell them exactly what to do.

00:33:02.100 You didn't hire the president, Joe Biden, for his vision.

00:33:07.420 You hired him because he wasn't Donald Trump.

00:33:10.520 And you didn't care that three people were showing up at his campaign rallies.

00:33:18.260 And that's when he did them.

00:33:19.740 Because the rest of the time, he was in his basement sitting next to his wife, who was correcting him in his conversations with the press.

00:33:29.060 Who are we electing?

00:33:37.580 Who are we electing?

00:33:39.720 And who is actually running the country?

00:33:42.260 Because you know it's not him.

00:33:44.140 You know it's not Kamala.

00:33:46.340 Right?

00:33:47.060 You know that.

00:33:48.620 Who's running the country?

00:33:51.820 McConnell, running the Republican Party.

00:33:55.200 Okay, he's done a super, super job.

00:33:59.560 The Republicans are so solid right now under his leadership.

00:34:04.220 So you have McConnell.

00:34:05.580 Now McConnell keeps falling.

00:34:08.520 He clearly had a neurological event.

00:34:12.140 And nobody in the Republican Party said anything.

00:34:16.000 You've got Biden and everybody's saying in the Republican Party, what the hell is going on with Biden?

00:34:22.020 But you won't question McConnell?

00:34:27.020 That's obscene.

00:34:29.160 You question Fetterman and Feinstein, but not McConnell.

00:34:34.240 We've got to get rid of the president. 0.95

00:34:37.200 He's completely senile.

00:34:39.000 But the guy who will have to vote for war or pass the legislation that says we're not going to vote for war is Mitch McConnell.

00:34:50.200 Who's running him?

00:34:52.020 Seriously, we're not voting for anybody.

00:34:59.500 You're voting for a face or a name, but you're not voting for.

00:35:03.020 Did you vote to take the water heaters by 2029, the water heaters that you have, and replace them?

00:35:14.900 Because if you have gas, it's too dangerous.

00:35:18.460 It's too bad.

00:35:19.320 It's not good.

00:35:20.340 We've got to get off of natural gas water heaters.

00:35:24.900 Did you vote last week to make sure that no one will have a generator?

00:35:31.840 Because it's a gas generator.

00:35:35.860 Too much carbon dioxide.

00:35:37.500 So what we need to do is have big generators that reduce that footprint by 90%, which no one makes.

00:35:45.860 No one makes.

00:35:48.380 And the small ones by 50%, which no one makes.

00:35:53.340 Did you vote for that?

00:35:54.660 Because I didn't vote for that.

00:35:57.620 But does it matter?

00:35:59.180 Because I don't think Biden was the one who actually drew up the executive order to do it.

00:36:06.660 He didn't do it.

00:36:07.560 Who is doing it?

00:36:09.080 Who's leading this team of numbskulls? 1.00

00:36:12.740 You know, I started with, it is really sad and abusive.

00:36:21.100 It's sad.

00:36:22.960 Feinstein's children, family, where are they?

00:36:28.240 Mom, you got to stop. 0.82

00:36:30.540 Grandma, please.

00:36:33.240 Would you give the keys to your car to Dianne Feinstein?

00:36:37.740 Would you give the keys to your car to Fetterman, to McConnell, to Joe Biden?

00:36:45.000 I wouldn't.

00:36:47.080 Why are we giving them the keys to our country? 0.96

00:36:54.360 Oh, my gosh.

00:36:56.460 Back in just a minute.

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00:38:39.940 The Glenn Beck Program. 0.94

00:38:41.600 So we have all these dummies, brain, literally brain damaged people.

00:39:07.620 And what's the news yesterday?

00:39:10.340 The congressman from Texas who was on a thirst strike for eight hours and needed medical care.

00:39:16.940 Unbelievable.

00:39:18.320 That and another set of charges against Donald Trump.

00:39:21.600 That's what we're focused on.

00:39:23.760 Yeah.

00:39:24.160 Right.

00:39:25.100 It is absolutely incredible what is happening.

00:39:29.820 I mean, I told you, what, in 2005, you know, this is going to start happening.

00:39:39.900 This is going to be bad.

00:39:41.080 We're really starting to lose it.

00:39:43.600 And, Pat, I know you said that before even me.

00:39:46.940 You said by 2020, 2030, we're going to be losing our country.

00:39:51.000 But did you imagine that we would self-destruct like this?

00:39:56.560 No, I really didn't.

00:39:57.760 I really didn't.

00:39:58.460 This is a self-inflicted wound.

00:40:01.260 All of them are.

00:40:02.320 All of them.

00:40:03.300 I don't think you could possibly see this coming.

00:40:06.180 That we would knowingly elect people who are so cognitively compromised,

00:40:12.460 they can't get through a speech or a line or they can't read.

00:40:18.600 And people around them have to tell them what to say and what to do and where to go

00:40:22.660 and how to get off stage.

00:40:24.520 I would never have believed it.

00:40:26.200 Let's say I get Alzheimer's or I just start decaying faster than I already am.

00:40:32.920 My wife comes into the studio and is sitting next to me and just says, just say you're 0.99

00:40:38.540 against it.

00:40:39.320 Say this.

00:40:39.900 Say you're against it.

00:40:40.960 What would you say to my wife? 1.00

00:40:43.200 Oh, how could you enable him?

00:40:45.540 How could you put him through this?

00:40:46.800 It's embarrassing.

00:40:48.540 It's humiliating.

00:40:49.420 It's bad for him.

00:40:50.580 It's bad for us.

00:40:51.680 It's bad for the listener.

00:40:53.140 Plus, people would demand you get off the air.

00:40:55.980 How much more important is the presidency?

00:41:00.100 The U.S. Senate?

00:41:02.420 Congressional seats?

00:41:03.100 But, jeez, I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:41:07.560 I can't.

00:41:08.620 There's no words to describe.

00:41:09.840 It is the endorsement of the machine.

00:41:13.900 You want to talk about the deep state.

00:41:15.900 That's it.

00:41:16.520 How else is it running?

00:41:17.980 It's not running through Kamala.

00:41:19.720 It's not running through the president.

00:41:21.740 Certainly, things aren't being done for Pennsylvania through Fetterman or California by Feinstein anymore.

00:41:29.480 Or it's others that you've never elected.

00:41:32.280 You don't know their names.

00:41:33.600 It's an endorsement of the deep state.

00:41:37.280 I like it.

00:41:38.220 I like it.

00:41:39.000 I feel bad for Fetterman, so I'm going to vote for him, even though he's not going to be capable of representing me.

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00:42:59.700 All right, we're going to talk about Sam Bankman Freed.

00:43:03.960 And whoa, the Democratic.

00:43:06.620 They dropped the charges?

00:43:08.560 The Justice Department?

00:43:09.920 We've got no room to compromise.

00:43:27.520 We've got to stand together, it's the course of mine.

00:43:33.580 Stand up, stand, and hold the line.

00:43:36.420 It's a new day I'm trying to raise.

00:43:44.480 What you're about to hear is the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:43:52.300 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:43:55.960 Jeez.

00:43:56.640 I mean, every day our Justice Department proves they are an enemy to the American people.

00:44:07.920 Prosecutors from the Justice Department told Judge Lewis Kaplan that they were dropping the charge of conspiracy to make unlawful campaign contributions

00:44:18.760 because they had failed to obtain permission from the government of the Bahamas for that charge.

00:44:26.480 Oh, really?

00:44:29.100 This is unbelievable.

00:44:32.160 And yet, it's not.

00:44:33.820 It's just another day in America.

00:44:36.400 We're going to go over this case.

00:44:38.420 And also, Joe the Plumber.

00:44:41.520 You remember him?

00:44:43.020 He is in the battle for his life with stage 3 pancreatic cancer.

00:44:51.100 We're going to talk to him as well this hour.

00:44:54.120 Buckle up. 0.96

00:44:55.080 It's going to be a lot of information coming fast.

00:44:58.140 We begin in 60 seconds.

00:44:59.460 Greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing mankind that he doesn't exist.

00:45:06.620 I mean, how do people not see when the satanic temple people say,

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00:45:14.780 I mean, he doesn't exist.

00:45:15.960 That's it.

00:45:16.780 It's more of a joke.

00:45:18.600 Is it now?

00:45:21.040 Arguably, the second greatest thing he did was convincing people that a fetus is not a human being.

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00:46:53.720 Carol Roth is with us now.

00:46:55.700 She is the author of You Villain Nothing.

00:47:01.500 And she is also a former investment banker.

00:47:04.240 She is recovering from all of those years.

00:47:07.880 Welcome, Carol.

00:47:09.180 Hi, Glenn.

00:47:11.720 Happy Friday.

00:47:13.120 And I hope you had a good week.

00:47:15.320 It seems like one of those, you know, it's the wrong week to quit sniffing glue weeks.

00:47:19.900 It's just one thing after another.

00:47:21.960 It is crazy.

00:47:23.860 First of all, Joe Biden's case, Hunter Biden's case, falls apart.

00:47:27.940 And there's a story today out that is talking about how angry his attorneys are at this judge for what?

00:47:36.660 Doing her job?

00:47:38.420 Then, yesterday, we find out that, what's his name?

00:47:43.100 Sam Bankman Freed.

00:47:44.320 The charges are being dropped for him on any kind of illegal campaign donations.

00:47:54.720 He gave tens of millions of dollars to the Democrats.

00:48:00.220 Tens of millions of dollars.

00:48:03.000 And he did it illegally.

00:48:04.800 He was doing it under other people's names, fake names, and under his company, which he can't do.

00:48:13.980 But they dropped that.

00:48:15.560 Why, Carol?

00:48:17.120 Yeah, I mean, it's even worse than that.

00:48:18.480 The allegations were that he was using customers' money to make the donation.

00:48:22.900 So it wasn't even just the fake names.

00:48:25.440 It was literally somebody had put their money with him as a custodian.

00:48:29.040 And allegedly, that's what happened.

00:48:30.460 So let's take a step back and remind everybody who this Sam Bankman Freed character is.

00:48:36.220 He was this 20-something wonder kid that just comes out of nowhere who's altruistic.

00:48:43.180 He just wants to get rich so he can give it all away, Glenn.

00:48:48.120 And he does this from a $40 million penthouse in a tax haven called the Bahamas.

00:48:55.040 Absolutely nothing suspicious there, right?

00:48:57.240 And when you think about financial frauds, there's two different kinds.

00:49:02.720 There's the ones that try to stay away from the regulators.

00:49:07.120 They're very under the radar.

00:49:08.460 They're not trying to draw attention.

00:49:11.380 And then there are the ones that run directly towards the politicians, usually because the politicians are involved.

00:49:17.380 And I think about the 1MDB sovereign debt scandal that happened over Malaysia as an example of that.

00:49:23.900 So what happened here is that you had these prosecutors who brought Beckman Freed up on all charges.

00:49:32.160 He was in the Bahamas at the time that he was charged, and the U.S. signed an extradition treaty with the Bahamas.

00:49:38.440 Now, obviously, the U.S. has a lot of leverage over the Bahamas, right?

00:49:42.980 If you want the Bahamas to turn somebody over, it's not really that challenging to do it.

00:49:49.800 So this is the second time that they have dropped a charge, and both of them are related, in my opinion.

00:49:57.600 The first one was the violating anti-bribery statutes, right?

00:50:02.420 And the second is these campaign finance charges.

00:50:06.300 And if you think about that, they say, oh, well, that wasn't part of the extradition treaty.

00:50:12.440 Okay, but again, the U.S. has massive leverage over the Bahamas. 0.77

00:50:17.400 If this is something that you wanted to either be in the treaty to start with or you wanted to pursue, this is not a difficult thing.

00:50:25.020 The issue is that there's a lot at stake.

00:50:27.840 It would open up a huge, deep dive into where all of this money went, how it was used, if there was potentially any money laundering that was involved.

00:50:38.120 Clearly, a trail, a deep dive that a lot of very well-connected people who got this money didn't want to have happen.

00:50:46.660 And then there potentially would be a renewed call for the politicians to return the money.

00:50:51.420 A handful did, but many, many didn't.

00:50:54.500 And, you know, just kind of a look into what's happening with, you know, all these offshore accounts that allegedly Beckman-Fried was setting up and involved in.

00:51:06.220 So this is, you know, if you believe in the simplest answer is the right answer here.

00:51:12.240 The fact that you had both bribery and finance charges, it's because of his cozy nature with the politicians

00:51:18.140 and the fact that they were all involved in this at, you know, various different levels, and they don't want that information coming out.

00:51:26.820 So, Carol, I look at the billions, hundreds of billions of dollars that we are sending to Ukraine.

00:51:35.120 And we know now, I mean, most people aren't talking about this, and I don't know why, but on Wednesday in front of the judge,

00:51:44.280 Hunter Biden said, yes, okay, I did take money from China.

00:51:49.740 So all of the lies of the past that we knew were lies, at least anyone who's paying attention, now been confirmed.

00:51:59.220 He took money from Ukraine as well, and this is a country we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars toward, and there's no oversight.

00:52:12.640 It is almost as if the biggest heist is happening right under our noses, and we see it, but we're not doing anything about it.

00:52:24.160 I think there's a very good chance that this was all just money laundering and putting this money.

00:52:32.400 Do you know how much of the world you could change with $100 million?

00:52:38.300 Can you imagine what you could change with a billion dollars?

00:52:42.700 I mean, all of this untracked or untraceable all over the world, who's getting all this money?

00:52:51.100 You mean to tell me you don't think that Hunter Biden, as a renaissance man, that his amazing discretion makes him highly sought after to sit on international boards and lead international meetings?

00:53:04.880 Oh, and by the way, to be an amazing painter that commands six figures for his paintings.

00:53:11.300 It's so blatant.

00:53:14.060 It's obscene.

00:53:14.680 Out in the open, it's almost like they're rubbing everybody's faces in it, and they're just seeing how far they can push.

00:53:23.200 And unfortunately, people are so wrapped up in the day-to-day nonsense that there really isn't any pushback against these issues.

00:53:32.060 I mean, I couldn't even begin to speculate what is happening with this money that we're sending over, because there's so much of it.

00:53:39.780 It's entirely unaccounted for, and it doesn't seem to stop.

00:53:45.460 Who does that?

00:53:47.000 No.

00:53:47.580 And who does that?

00:53:48.720 And now we have a guy who we know was taking other people's money and sending it to politicians and donating it in ways that are highly illegal, and nobody's going to look into it.

00:54:04.260 I mean, it's very hard not to be a conspiracy theorist and say, they're all in on a money-laundering thing.

00:54:15.540 Something else is going on.

00:54:17.900 It's very hard.

00:54:19.100 Yeah, and again, allegedly, it seems that to be a realistic outcome, because how could it not?

00:54:26.580 And when you look at how hard they've been going after President Trump, from the time that he came down that elevator to announce his presidency, to yesterday, and all of the things that they, you know, these little things, many of them made up that they were going after, all the while doing many of the same things that they're accusing him of doing, or much worse.

00:54:51.780 It's beyond a two-tier system of justice.

00:54:56.920 It's, you know, if you are with us, you are going to benefit, we're going to find a way to move this money around and get everybody paid.

00:55:05.220 And, you know, I've always said that Congress is a place where you legally launder money, so this could be a legal laundering of it.

00:55:12.900 But, see, clearly, people are getting paid in a way that, you know, our government was not set up to make sure that they were getting paid.

00:55:23.400 Correct.

00:55:24.480 So, they dropped the charges on him.

00:55:29.780 The rest of the charges, is he going away for a very long time?

00:55:34.300 You know, I guess it depends on who he knows and what they want to come out and what they don't want to come out.

00:55:43.820 I mean, if you think about, you know, back in December of 2022, Maxine Waters, who previously was blowing kisses at Sam Bankman-Fried in a hearing on crypto,

00:55:55.720 she put out that tweet about, oh, you know, you've been so candid in your discussions, and we're so happy that you talked to the public.

00:56:02.980 I mean, when does somebody in Congress ever do something like that?

00:56:08.820 I mean, it's just so blatant and so bizarre.

00:56:12.140 So, he's clearly incredibly well-tied, and there's something much deeper going on here.

00:56:18.560 So, whether he gets off, whether he gets disappeared, whether the camera in his jail cell stops working, like, you know, so many others, Glenn, or not,

00:56:28.820 I think, depends on the level of what has happened behind the scenes.

00:56:33.460 And, you know, it's like this onion.

00:56:34.740 Every time we peel back a layer, we're finding more and more.

00:56:37.920 There is much more going on here because of the level of the money we were talking about here

00:56:43.740 and his cozy nature with all the politicians.

00:56:46.380 As I said when we started, usually with financial fraud, you don't want the attention of people who are regulators and people in Congress

00:56:54.880 and those high-profile people unless they're involved.

00:56:59.300 And that's what had happened with 1MDB and all of these other corruption issues.

00:57:03.920 So, the fact that you have, you know, all of these people who were running cover for him

00:57:09.380 and you're not standing up and denouncing him and now you're getting these charges dropped

00:57:12.880 says to me there's something deeper we haven't discovered yet.

00:57:18.040 That is terrifying, Carol.

00:57:19.960 Thank you so much.

00:57:21.080 Carol Roth, the author of You Will Own Nothing.

00:57:23.920 Will you hold on just a second, Carol, because I want to talk to you about the GDP here in a second.

00:57:28.360 Absolutely.

00:57:28.680 But before I go to commercial, I just, I have to say what she just said about the charges on Donald Trump.

00:57:38.120 Have you gotten the message yet?

00:57:40.900 You are not to stand up against the machine or they will destroy you.

00:57:48.160 That's the message that they are trying to send.

00:57:51.080 Donald Trump, I contend, is maybe the cleanest person ever to go to Washington.

00:58:00.960 This guy has been investigated by every intelligence agency, both friend and foe.

00:58:10.440 More investigations have been done on that guy than anyone else.

00:58:14.560 And they have to make things up to be able to charge.

00:58:21.080 I mean, it is, it's obscene.

00:58:25.940 It is absolutely obscene.

00:58:28.460 And they are doing it to make sure you understand if we can do that to him.

00:58:36.160 That guy may go to jail.

00:58:39.320 Why?

00:58:41.100 Because he wouldn't play the game with the rest of the machine.

00:58:45.920 It is sick what's going on.

00:58:48.960 And I thank God for you.

00:58:52.020 I really do.

00:58:52.820 I would have such little hope if it wasn't for you.

00:58:56.200 Standing up every day and being heard and caring about it.

00:58:59.920 My gosh, if I felt alone, don't ever feel alone.

00:59:04.700 There's millions of Americans who are just as upset about this as you are.

00:59:09.060 We just have to continue to stand up and not accept the lies.

00:59:14.840 All right.

00:59:15.420 Back in just a second with Carol.

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01:00:30.240 Carol, let's talk about the GDP and what happened this week.

01:00:44.000 Yeah, so we got a higher-than-expected reading on the GDP, and I think it's got, you know,

01:00:51.260 some people on the surface level scratching their head.

01:00:54.380 How could it be?

01:00:55.500 You know, I'm feeling all of this in my pocketbook.

01:00:58.360 You know, what's going on?

01:00:59.560 Why are things, you know, better than expected?

01:01:02.360 And I think there are a couple of reasons why.

01:01:05.120 If you look at consumer spending, consumer spending, while it has grown over a sort of a zero base point,

01:01:13.740 it's definitely contracting, particularly on the good side, massively on the good side, a little bit still on the services side.

01:01:21.340 There's been so much pent-up demand for things like eating out and travel, you know, since the COVID period that people haven't sort of run through that.

01:01:31.440 But because people still have their jobs, they feel okay in doing things that are what I call are causing a personal recession.

01:01:40.600 They're taking on credit card debt.

01:01:42.520 They're dipping into their savings.

01:01:44.560 So they're basically ruining their own personal balance sheets in order to support the economy on their back.

01:01:52.220 So that's one piece of it.

01:01:53.460 Second, obviously, government spending.

01:01:56.960 The government has been, even though the Fed is trying to get them to stop spending, not only directly are they propping up, you know, the GDP,

01:02:07.200 but also a lot of the incentive programs that they have created through their policy has had business investment continue to grow.

01:02:17.240 So when we thought, okay, interest rates are going up, it's more expensive for companies, A, they had locked in low cost of capital from 15 years of near zero interest rate policies.

01:02:28.120 But also there's certain industries that the government's picking winners and losers, and they're saying, oh, well, you'll get an incentive if, you know, you buy your electric vehicle or whatnot.

01:02:37.960 And so those have been carrying it.

01:02:40.160 So I think that this is kind of this interim lag period where you're saying, okay, everybody's still, like, doing everything they can, squeezing every quarter that they can out to hold up this economy.

01:02:53.980 But between the lag time of having so much, like, such a long duration of this crazy monetary policy and the fact that these Fed hikes take a while to work their way through the economy,

01:03:07.340 it doesn't mean that we're out of the woods.

01:03:10.300 And I think that's the important thing.

01:03:11.860 I think people get complacent when they see something like this and go, okay, well, you know, we're going to get this off landing.

01:03:17.820 Everything's going to be great.

01:03:18.860 No, you need to continue to practice some personal austerity, to put some money away for that rainy day.

01:03:27.160 You know, if the labor market turns over at all, we're going to see something completely different.

01:03:31.980 If we get a commercial real estate crash, we're going to see something completely different.

01:03:36.300 And just in general, this stuff is going to take a little while to work its way through.

01:03:41.820 Carol, will you do me a favor?

01:03:43.340 I'd like to have you on maybe next week and help me out on this.

01:03:47.340 I tried to buy a truck this week.

01:03:51.420 I need a new truck at the ranch.

01:03:53.080 So I tried to buy a truck.

01:03:54.900 And, you know, I want specific things, you know, crew cab and everything else, specific colors.

01:04:00.160 I was told Ford, if you want to buy a Ford, they are 18 to 24 months out on diesel trucks, you know, specifics.

01:04:10.620 Uh, and, uh, Ram, uh, Dodge and, uh, the other one is about six to eight months out.

01:04:20.480 How can Ford lose $2 billion this year on EVs and not be able to deliver on trucks and stay in business?

01:04:30.300 Can you look into this for me?

01:04:33.020 Well, we'll talk about it more, but I'll give you a preview.

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01:06:06.600 I want to tell you about a veteran.

01:06:31.340 A veteran who has served his country and then served in an entirely different way.

01:06:40.860 Somebody that you know.

01:06:43.400 Let's call him Joe.

01:06:46.160 He started having problems in his stomach on September of 2022.

01:06:50.240 He tried to self-diagnose.

01:06:51.980 Thought maybe it was lactose intolerance or, you know, allergic to gluten or whatever.

01:06:55.900 Come December, the pain is so bad that he goes to the emergency room at the VA center and he's sent home with pain medication, but no real answers.

01:07:06.460 The pain got worse and worse and Joe went back to the emergency room.

01:07:10.160 They found then a mass on his pancreas.

01:07:13.800 The VA did a test, told him it was cancer.

01:07:18.140 Then they called back four days later and said, oh, no, you know what?

01:07:21.660 It isn't cancer.

01:07:22.700 Then on January 11th, the VA called and said, no, it is cancer.

01:07:29.040 It's stage three pancreatic cancer.

01:07:32.680 So he goes through eight months, eight, I'm sorry, eight rounds of chemo.

01:07:37.880 But unfortunately, the cancer had spread to his liver as well.

01:07:42.300 The VA wouldn't work with him and his wife. 0.64

01:07:45.920 They wanted to try naturopathic medicines as well.

01:07:48.480 And it was this the way we do things and that's it.

01:07:53.320 You know, when you're talking about somebody's life or your own life, you don't want to leave any stone unturned.

01:07:59.640 So they started looking around the country and the world for alternatives.

01:08:04.360 And Joe and his wife said, God has answered our prayers.

01:08:08.000 Joe was accepted to cancer treatments of America, known as the City of Hope, where they do Western medicine and naturopathic medicine.

01:08:15.200 Unfortunately, as of July 26th, the new chemo has stopped working.

01:08:21.660 Now Joe's on a list for a new trial medicine for pancreatic cancer.

01:08:25.540 Unfortunately, there is not a current start date for the new trial.

01:08:30.140 They're trying to move to Wisconsin for be around more family and get more support for family.

01:08:36.180 And they're three young, beautiful children.

01:08:38.620 His wife's name is Katie.

01:08:40.860 His name is Joe.

01:08:42.140 But you know him as Joe the Plumber.

01:08:45.900 And he's on with us now.

01:08:47.340 Hey, Joe.

01:08:49.140 Hey, Glenn.

01:08:49.960 Thanks for having me.

01:08:52.120 You bet.

01:08:53.480 You sound a lot different than you did when we when we first spoke all those many years ago.

01:08:59.000 How are you holding up?

01:09:00.240 Oh, you know, every day is a blessing.

01:09:03.840 I wake up in the morning and I'm here.

01:09:05.780 So that makes me happy.

01:09:07.060 But you got good days and bad days.

01:09:11.540 Today is a little rougher than than some.

01:09:16.080 But again, I'm here and I'm grateful for it.

01:09:18.880 Is is it the pain, Joe, or is it the treatment or because you were violently ill all the time with the chemo, were you not?

01:09:31.980 Yeah, the chemo, that's that's one of the things my wife and I struggled with a lot when we first got diagnosed.

01:09:39.200 You know, do we do Western medicine?

01:09:41.240 Do we do all natural?

01:09:42.340 Um, and, um, you know, we prayed a lot and talked a lot and we said, well, why don't we do both?

01:09:51.060 And so, uh, you know, we, uh, started doing the chemo, but at the same time, my wife has researched everything underneath the sun.

01:09:58.980 And she, there's so many Facebook groups out there and organizations that will lead you down the natural path, the route as well.

01:10:08.020 And so, you know, I try to do a little bit of both, but sometimes the chemo will keep you from taking pills or taking supplements.

01:10:16.300 Uh, you know, makes you tired all the time, makes you, makes you very sick.

01:10:19.840 And, um, you know, I dropped, uh, I dropped over a hundred pounds.

01:10:24.680 I went from two 50 and right now I weigh 146 pounds.

01:10:32.220 How is, uh, how's the VA treating you?

01:10:38.020 Well, you know, there, there were some incredible people that we met at the VA, people that really liked their job, people that really tried hard.

01:10:45.360 But when it came to the oncologist department, um, you kind of nailed it on the head when you were reading or talking about it earlier is, um, yeah, this is what we do.

01:10:55.640 This is the way we do it.

01:10:56.760 If you want to do anything else, you're going to have to go outside of our, our scope.

01:11:01.700 You know, we would ask them about, uh, vitamin C treatment.

01:11:04.460 We would ask them about mistletoe.

01:11:05.960 So, and these are two things that they've been doing overseas for years and, and they saw some, you know, some good, good things from them, but it's nothing that the VA wanted any part of.

01:11:16.420 And I mean, I even got my dander up a little bit and said, you know, listen, me being a plumber, I want to know everything about plumbing there is.

01:11:23.380 That way, when a customer comes to me and asks me about it, I have an answer.

01:11:27.640 When my wife and I come to you and talk to you about this, you know, uh, your, your guys' eyes glaze over and you, you don't even want to even think about it.

01:11:36.900 And I just, it, it, it, it got me angry because it just seems that a lot of hospitals and big farm get in the way of, of, of real movement going forward to cure some of this stuff.

01:11:51.320 You know, if they can't make money off of it, they don't want to, they don't want to research it.

01:11:55.500 I know, uh, so Joe, you have been very active, you're active in your community.

01:12:05.000 You've been raising money, uh, for a school, uh, you've traveled the country, um, just giving speeches for a long time because you were, you were roped into politics, uh, about 2008.

01:12:21.900 Um, and you have three young children.

01:12:25.540 How old are your children?

01:12:28.340 Um, my, uh, oldest, I was, yeah, I don't know if you remember, but I was a single dad for years.

01:12:33.580 So I have a 28 year old son that I raised, raised by myself and he's doing outstanding.

01:12:39.860 And then, um, you know, the Lord blessed me with my current wife and, um, we have a 10 year old, an eight year old and a five year old, uh, two, uh, the oldest, uh, the 10 year old's a girl.

01:12:51.520 And the eight year old's a boy and the five year old's another girl.

01:12:56.640 Tell me about Katie.

01:12:59.360 Oh, Katie, I, I've been calling her Wonder Woman ever since this has started.

01:13:03.420 She has been such a rock for me.

01:13:07.000 I mean, between making sure that I get to church to, you know, running around, making sure I have a glass of water to, to doing all the research that she can.

01:13:17.380 And, um, you know, I think she knows, sometimes I think she knows more than the doctors because there's her nose in a book reading about cancer. 0.51

01:13:24.600 And, you know, the next step that we can do, then, you know, she's taking care of either the three kids or she's taking care of my dad or she's taking care of me.

01:13:35.780 You're, she, you're, you're taking care of your dad.

01:13:38.480 And in fact, you started to build a basement for your dad because your dad had an aneurysm, right?

01:13:45.960 Yeah.

01:13:46.400 Years ago, my dad had an inoperable aneurysm and, um, who had a third best neurosurgeon in the world came along and said, Hey, I think I can, I can help you here.

01:13:55.260 And it was touch and go.

01:13:57.220 We lost him a couple of times on the table, but, um, he came through it, um, but he still, um, it didn't leave him in a position that to care for himself as much.

01:14:08.460 And, uh, you know, my wife just fell in love with my mom who passed away from cancer a couple of years ago.

01:14:15.120 She fell in love with my dad and she treats him just like her own parents. 0.96

01:14:19.820 And she, you know, she goes over and does his bills. 1.00

01:14:23.080 She goes over and does all the shopping, um, including the house.

01:14:27.900 I mean, she just, uh, she doesn't stop.

01:14:30.760 It's just, you know, everybody else has 24 hours of the day and it seems like she's got 48 hours as much as she gets done.

01:14:40.100 So you are, there's been a, um, excuse me.

01:14:46.440 Um, there has been a, uh, give, send, go, uh, that has been opened.

01:14:53.080 You just search for Joe, the plumber and they're trying to raise money to not only help with, uh, medical, but also to, uh, you're going to, you're trying to finish the basement for your dad, right?

01:15:07.660 Well, that kind of goes up in the air.

01:15:09.700 If we moved to Wisconsin, um, you know, my dad's praying about it right now, but there's not actually a lot of support for him there either.

01:15:17.260 If we move, you know, he's, he's got some sisters there in the surrounding area, but, um, you know, Katie's just not, Katie, Katie's worried that they wouldn't be there for him as much as he might need.

01:15:30.340 And so we're, we're actually looking, you know, I mean, you know, Glenn, I'm, I believe in God, I'm a Christian and I know God can perform miracles at any time.

01:15:41.480 And I truly believe that it's, it's incredible feeling knowing that, but at the same time, thank you're out of cancer is no joke.

01:15:48.140 And, you know, most people unfortunately pass away from it.

01:15:51.080 And so as a husband and a father, I just want to make sure my, my wife and children have the support they're going to need a case that, you know, it goes the other way.

01:16:00.560 And so moving them to Wisconsin and having, having her parents here and her two sisters here and the kids as cousins will really help, but it'll really help offset some of the pain and hurt.

01:16:15.200 I'm sorry, excuse me, but you know, it'll really help.

01:16:17.740 So that's what we're trying to make happen right now.

01:16:22.740 We, uh, it's one thing, I tell you what, it's, it's amazing.

01:16:26.820 Just, you know, you got your friends and family, but it's incredible.

01:16:30.000 The amount of people I don't know who have reached out to offer prayers, to offer donations.

01:16:36.060 Um, you know, there, there are so many great people in this world and I've been, I've been thankful to meet a lot of them and, and some of them do anonymous donations.

01:16:45.920 And, you know, we, it's so, you know, it's just, it's, it's been incredible in that regards, but yeah, no, I, we need to really focusing on a couple of things.

01:16:56.340 One is getting my wife and kids up here so that they'll have the support they need as things move forward.

01:17:02.900 Um, and, um, and we're still, you know, we're still looking for alternative medicines.

01:17:07.520 We're still, um, looking at different clinics around the country.

01:17:11.760 Um, you know, I'm, I'm on one list for a trial, but there's no, there's no date.

01:17:17.540 Um, city of hope is reaching out to some other hospitals, uh, and, and America.

01:17:23.480 Uh, I've seen if there's any trials that I might, uh, I might be able to get.

01:17:29.240 Um, and, uh, the one thing with trials is that, uh, you know, you have to fly to them or drive to them.

01:17:36.580 And, you know, right now we've been driving from Ohio to, uh, to Illinois for the last, you know, three and a half, four months, you know, getting, and, you know, that it's going through Chicago.

01:17:47.660 It's not easy.

01:17:48.380 It's never easy to get into Chicago, but, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's difficult, but it's, it's, you know, it's, it's your life.

01:17:56.760 And so you'll do whatever it takes to, uh, that, uh, you know, to keep that life.

01:18:03.040 It's precious.

01:18:06.420 Joe, um, I've only got about a minute.

01:18:10.040 Um, but I want to thank you for everything that you have done for the country and standing up

01:18:17.360 and being brave enough and taking all of the hits.

01:18:20.240 I, I remember, uh, all of the hits that you took over and over and over again.

01:18:25.940 Um, and just for being an average citizen and asking an honest question, do you have, you know, as you face this, do you have any advice or thoughts on, on life?

01:18:40.520 Uh, ultimately, I just pray more people come to God, Glenn.

01:18:47.320 Um, you know, I've always, that's one thing that helped me through all this from day one was staying grounded, uh, reading the good book and, uh, and knowing that God was in charge and I wasn't.

01:18:58.740 Um, and so, um, you know, if you need help, if you need strength, you know, God promised he'll be with us.

01:19:06.420 He doesn't promise an easy road, but he promised that he'd be with us.

01:19:10.100 And that's something that my family and I have leaned on for a very long time.

01:19:14.800 And so that's, that's the one thing you can take strength from God and, and, uh, know that there are a lot more good people out there than bad.

01:19:22.580 You know, we all, we have some differences out there, but ultimately people want to do good things.

01:19:27.760 And that's, that's been, that's been incredible to see throughout this, uh, this last almost year.

01:19:34.600 Joe, rest assured if, uh, you know, a miracle doesn't happen, um, that, uh, we are here for Katie and your kids and, um, we'll make sure that they're taken care of.

01:19:53.780 I can't thank you enough, Glenn.

01:19:55.380 You've been very, very nice.

01:19:56.940 And, uh, I just really appreciate your concern.

01:20:00.340 Thank you so much.

01:20:02.460 You're good.

01:20:03.340 Good man.

01:20:03.880 Thank you.

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01:22:01.600 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

01:22:03.700 We're glad you're here.

01:22:04.660 That was, uh, boy, you can tell that Joe, the plumber is having a hard day today.

01:22:10.580 Yeah.

01:22:11.520 Yeah.

01:22:11.800 You know, pancreatic and liver cancer is, is hard to pass.

01:22:17.220 I'm not good.

01:22:18.160 Not good.

01:22:18.820 And such a good guy.

01:22:20.040 He's always been such a good man.

01:22:21.960 Yeah.

01:22:22.340 What was it?

01:22:22.960 2000?

01:22:23.740 Was it 2004, 2006 when he had that encounter with, uh, must've been 2008.

01:22:29.160 I think it was seven, 2007.

01:22:31.400 Yeah.

01:22:31.720 Somewhere in there during the election cycle.

01:22:33.860 Um, yeah.

01:22:35.420 And, uh, that's when Obama said that I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good

01:22:41.880 for everybody.

01:22:43.560 And, uh, that was the first time that he had been kind of trapped in his own rhetoric.

01:22:53.000 And Joe just asked him, uh, uh, simple question.

01:22:56.880 How, how is that good for me as somebody who has worked hard to build my, my plumbing?

01:23:03.100 And he said, I think you can be too rich.

01:23:05.220 You can have, you know, you have, uh, you have enough.

01:23:08.020 You have enough.

01:23:08.960 Really?

01:23:09.280 Do you have enough with five houses?

01:23:11.180 Uh, none of them under $8 million, Barack Obama?

01:23:15.480 Really?

01:23:16.620 Ugh.

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01:31:21.380 I have to tell you, I met a gentleman a few weeks ago and he gave me his card because he

01:31:28.520 said, I am the official documenting photographer of the Shroud of Turin when they did the last

01:31:37.220 test on the Shroud of Turin.

01:31:39.600 If you don't know what the Shroud of Turin is, it is said to be the burial cloth of Christ.

01:31:44.840 And, uh, there's a lot of controversy about it because the carbon dating shows that it's

01:31:51.840 not from, uh, the time of Christ.

01:31:54.360 It's like 800 or a thousand years later.

01:31:57.260 Um, and they can tell you that it's definitely not the Shroud of Christ, but they cannot explain

01:32:04.480 the image on the Shroud.

01:32:06.920 It is almost a photographic negative of a body, uh, that has all of the wounds that Christ

01:32:15.400 would have had.

01:32:16.320 They can't tell you what it is, but they can tell you what it's not.

01:32:21.080 Well, Barry talks to me and then all of a sudden one of my producers, uh, who was taking

01:32:28.280 Torah study, um, here's about Barry, uh, in her Torah study.

01:32:34.240 And she reaches out to Barry and unbeknownst to me, she says, we got to get you on the

01:32:40.380 show.

01:32:41.220 So on this day that I come in to tell everybody, we got a book, Barry, you know, down in Texas,

01:32:49.280 I'm in Idaho.

01:32:51.040 My producer says, Hey, we gotta, we gotta get Barry on.

01:32:54.740 I think he's going to be great.

01:32:55.860 And I said, have I already told you guys about him?

01:33:00.340 No.

01:33:00.920 Why?

01:33:01.760 I think it's a God thing that he's on.

01:33:03.640 His name is Barry Schwartz and he is joining us now.

01:33:07.800 Hello, Barry.

01:33:08.280 How are you?

01:33:09.140 I'm doing great, Glenn.

01:33:10.820 Thanks for having me on the program.

01:33:13.560 You bet.

01:33:14.340 So, um, Barry, you are the, uh, the official documenting photographer.

01:33:20.000 So you were up close and personal with the shroud.

01:33:23.960 You took all of the pictures.

01:33:26.140 Were you a believer that this was the, the burial, uh, garb of, of Christ when you first

01:33:35.180 started?

01:33:35.360 Absolutely.

01:33:35.920 Absolutely not, Glenn.

01:33:37.260 I was a total skeptic.

01:33:38.600 I was raised in an Orthodox Jewish home.

01:33:42.220 Uh, although I'm a secular Jew and not practicing, I didn't really have any emotional attachment

01:33:47.700 to the shroud.

01:33:49.160 Um, and my involvement mainly became from my background as a photographer and imaging specialist.

01:33:55.260 And so I, I was invited onto the team to, uh, participate in the examination of the shroud.

01:34:02.760 We spent five days and nights nonstop working around the clock back in 1978 and performed

01:34:10.260 the first and only in-depth scientific study of that cloth that's ever been done in its

01:34:15.760 history.

01:34:17.600 Okay.

01:34:18.280 So you were one of three Jewish members of the shroud team.

01:34:21.900 Were there non-skeptics on the team?

01:34:25.860 Uh, I'm sure that a few of the, uh, the members of the team were, uh, less skeptical than I

01:34:30.840 was.

01:34:31.180 Let's put it that way.

01:34:32.480 Okay.

01:34:32.740 Uh, I think that most of the team members came from Los Alamos National Labs, Sandia Labs,

01:34:38.660 Air Force Weapons Lab.

01:34:40.400 So, uh, these were hardcore scientists and thank God for that because if they weren't hardcore

01:34:46.180 scientists, the whole world might've blown up by now.

01:34:48.580 So, uh, they were very meticulous and, and absolutely the most empirical scientists I've

01:34:54.840 ever worked with.

01:34:56.520 Okay.

01:34:57.220 So they did the tests and they said, uh, it's, it's the carbon dating is wrong and it's not

01:35:05.460 the shroud.

01:35:06.420 The carbon dating didn't happen until 10 years after we examined the shroud.

01:35:10.860 Uh, our team examined it and our primary purpose was really to determine how that image

01:35:17.160 was formed.

01:35:17.880 Is it a painting?

01:35:18.780 Is it a scorch or was it made photographically?

01:35:22.440 And ultimately the science eliminated all those possibilities.

01:35:27.020 So as you said in the intro, uh, we can tell you what it's not, but we don't know of a mechanism

01:35:32.240 that can create an image on a piece of cloth with the same chemical and physical properties

01:35:37.520 that we documented on the shroud.

01:35:39.280 So does it look like there's, I mean, was it something that you were like, we can't explain

01:35:48.340 it, but we can see somehow or another it's man created?

01:35:53.840 Well, we don't believe it is.

01:35:55.400 There's nothing been added to the surface of that cloth.

01:35:58.780 And I mean, that's just the first thing we looked for was any paint, pigments, binders,

01:36:02.880 anything that would imply that something had been added to the cloth that would have created

01:36:09.160 the image.

01:36:10.060 And we found nothing.

01:36:11.080 If, if anything, the image itself is made of yellow discolored fibers and it's the concentration

01:36:18.320 of those fibers in any given area that indicates the darkness of that area itself.

01:36:25.000 So there really was nothing added there.

01:36:27.160 So my initial response, even though I was totally skeptic after about the first 15 minutes

01:36:33.480 of looking at it with a 10 X magnifier, uh, I, I knew that there wasn't any paint on the

01:36:39.340 surface of that.

01:36:40.100 And ultimately our, our mass spectrometry and chemical analyses, x-ray analyses, all of that

01:36:47.180 showed that nothing has been added, no pigments, no paints, nothing has been added to that cloth

01:36:53.020 to create that image.

01:36:54.280 I have to tell you, um, that's not what I thought the shroud of Turin experts said.

01:37:05.940 Uh, I've always thought that the scientific experts deny that this is, uh, you know, from

01:37:14.020 the time period and it was definitely man-made.

01:37:16.600 It's not mentioned.

01:37:18.200 I'm sorry.

01:37:19.580 Go ahead.

01:37:20.260 No, go ahead.

01:37:20.820 You, you mentioned the radiocarbon dating, which was done 10 years after our team completed

01:37:26.020 our work.

01:37:27.260 And, uh, for decades after that, the world said, well, the shroud must be a fake.

01:37:32.780 It took 27 years in the Freedom of Information Act to get the British museum that was the

01:37:38.900 overseer of the three labs that did the, uh, examine or did the, uh, radiocarbon testing.

01:37:44.680 It, it took 27 years for the British museum to release the raw data, which is very unusual.

01:37:52.000 Historically, a scientist, once his work is published in a journal, will release the raw

01:37:56.600 data.

01:37:57.020 So other scientists can either repeat the experiment, which is part of the scientific method, or,

01:38:02.380 uh, perhaps take the information and, and try and get, go further with it.

01:38:07.000 Um, so we finally got the raw data and we can understand why they didn't want to release

01:38:12.560 it.

01:38:13.040 It showed that the sample site, and there was only one sample taken, which is already bad

01:38:18.120 science.

01:38:18.940 It showed that that sample was inhomogeneous, meaning it was a strip that was cut and there

01:38:24.580 was one date at one end and hundreds of years later at the other end of that strip.

01:38:28.900 So there was nowhere on that strip that we can claim gave us the date for anywhere else

01:38:34.900 on that cloth.

01:38:35.780 And they never took a control sample from anywhere else.

01:38:39.140 So the radiocarbon dating...

01:38:41.060 So, so wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I want to make sure I understand this.

01:38:44.900 So this was like a, a repair made later on the cloth?

01:38:49.620 Correct.

01:38:50.060 That they took?

01:38:51.140 Yep.

01:38:51.660 There's evidence in that corner where the sample was taken that there's cotton interwoven.

01:38:56.100 And you know, that goes against Jewish law.

01:38:58.680 Uh, it's called mixing of the kinds and you're not supposed to mix wool with cotton or cotton

01:39:04.280 with the linen, uh, a burial shroud of someone of high stature is supposed to be pure linen.

01:39:10.260 And yet we found cotton in the corner that was ultimately radiocarbon dated.

01:39:14.880 And that implied that there was a repair or reweaving done in that corner.

01:39:19.540 And so they dated a repaired corner of the shroud, which could not give us an accurate date for

01:39:25.180 anywhere else on that cloth.

01:39:27.700 Okay.

01:39:28.180 Let me take a quick break and then come back with you.

01:39:30.160 I want to ask you, how do we know that there wasn't carbon in the rest of it?

01:39:33.520 If we didn't take another sample of the shroud, you can answer that when we come back.

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01:41:20.440 So we're talking to Barry Schwartz, and he is the Shroud of Turin Research Project official

01:41:29.900 documenting photographer.

01:41:32.420 He's also the Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association president, and he has started

01:41:39.080 shroud.com.

01:41:40.640 First, let's go back to there's cotton, and it should have been pure linen, and this is

01:41:47.720 from a strip that looks like it was a repair for, you know, maybe done at a later date,

01:41:54.360 and that explains the carbon dating, you say.

01:41:57.220 But how do you know that there isn't cotton through the rest of the fiber if you didn't

01:42:01.800 test the rest of the fiber?

01:42:03.240 Well, during our examination five days and nights in 78, we carefully examined, you know,

01:42:11.400 the shroud's almost 15 feet long, so while one scientist group was working at one side

01:42:17.680 of the shroud or one end of the shroud, other researchers were evaluating other parts of

01:42:22.800 the cloth, and Ray Rogers, our lead chemist from Los Alamos National Lab, probably spent

01:42:29.480 more time in front of that cloth than all the rest of us put together with a microscope

01:42:34.200 examining fibers from every part of that cloth, and we found no cotton anywhere else in that

01:42:40.580 cloth, particularly interwoven.

01:42:42.640 We were wearing white cotton gloves, and some of the white cotton from our gloves, well, got

01:42:47.580 onto the cloth, but that's modern cotton and distinguishable from ancient cotton.

01:42:55.180 So why would the British Museum do this?

01:42:58.200 Well, you know, Glenn, it's hard for me to speak to this, but I will say this, that as

01:43:06.420 soon as the results were leaked, even before their paper was published claiming the shroud

01:43:11.200 was medieval, the British Museum, or rather the Oxford Laboratory, one of the three labs

01:43:18.360 that examined the shroud, received a million pounds sterling from anonymous donors for debunking

01:43:24.340 the shroud, and Dr. Michael Tide of the British Museum left the British Museum and took a permanent

01:43:30.400 chair at Oxford with some of that money.

01:43:32.560 So, I hate to say follow the money, but perhaps that had some influence.

01:43:37.200 Okay, so you were a skeptic, you didn't believe in it, you're Jewish, you didn't feel emotional

01:43:48.080 when you first approached the shroud, which I would think I would, even if it isn't real,

01:43:55.780 it is so inspiring, and you know, if somebody did it, it's a miracle they did it.

01:44:04.220 We don't know, understand how they did it.

01:44:06.580 Right.

01:44:07.720 Well, look, I think...

01:44:08.540 But how do you feel...

01:44:10.640 Go ahead.

01:44:11.640 I think we all had reverence for the subject matter.

01:44:14.720 We all appreciated the fact that not only was this an object of scientific research,

01:44:19.440 but it was also an object of faith for a billion or so people.

01:44:22.820 So, we all had great respect for it, and so, although I didn't have the same emotional

01:44:28.580 response that perhaps some of my Christian fellow team members might have had, we all

01:44:34.140 treated it with the highest respect and regard, and acted professionally throughout.

01:44:41.800 Sure.

01:44:42.600 Now, how do you feel now?

01:44:44.640 Well, it took 17 years after we finished, and I had access, of course, to all the scientific

01:44:50.600 research, and after about 17 years, all of the questions that I had that had been unanswered

01:44:57.160 became answered, and I had to resign myself to the fact that the most plausible explanation

01:45:03.420 for this was that this is the burial shroud of the historic Jesus of Nazareth.

01:45:09.660 You know, you don't have to be a Christian to accept the historicity of Jesus and to accept

01:45:15.940 that we might have an artifact of that man's life, considering the impact he's had on this

01:45:20.880 planet.

01:45:24.080 That is quite a statement.

01:45:27.800 All right, so let me take another break, and I want to come back and just ask you, why would

01:45:36.320 you say it is the man from Nazareth?

01:45:41.900 Still, how would it have been made, and was there any sign of blood or anything else on

01:45:51.120 that shroud?

01:45:52.980 More from Barry Schwartz in just a second.

01:45:56.060 We're talking about the Shroud of Turin.

01:45:58.520 You can visit his website at shroud.com, get all of the information about the shroud.

01:46:04.980 Back with more.

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01:49:02.520 We're talking to Barry Schwartz.

01:49:03.700 He is the official documenting photographer for the Shroud of Turin Research Project.

01:49:09.060 He was a member of the team that completed the first extensive scientific examination of the Shroud of Turin in 1978.

01:49:17.900 He spent 120 hours with the Shroud.

01:49:20.520 He's an Orthodox Jew who believes that the man Jesus was truly wrapped in the Shroud of Turin.

01:49:27.960 And he did that and came to that conclusion 27 years after he examined the Shroud because he finally got some answers.

01:49:40.620 Barry, was there any blood on the Shroud?

01:49:45.620 Yes, Glenn.

01:49:46.600 Actually, we definitely should address the stains that are on the cloth.

01:49:51.120 There are forensically accurate blood stains from a spear wound, from crucifixion wounds in the hands and in the feet.

01:50:01.980 The body is heavily scourged both in the back and in the front, far more accurate than Christian depictions of Jesus' scourging.

01:50:11.060 And there are blood stains on the head from a cap or crown of thorns.

01:50:16.320 People often ask me, why do you think it's Jesus?

01:50:18.460 Well, the Romans crucified lots of people, and they probably stuck a spear into a lot of them as well.

01:50:24.520 But only one man in recorded history that we know of who proclaimed himself the king of the Jews was crowned to humiliate him with a nasty thorn bush on his head.

01:50:35.340 And we have blood stains on his scalp and head from the crown of thorns.

01:50:40.240 So if you take all the facts, people often ask me, what convinced me?

01:50:44.880 And the answer is all of the above.

01:50:46.720 There is so much evidence pointing in favor of this being an artifact of the historical Jesus that it took me all those years.

01:50:54.740 But ultimately, I came to accept that we have an artifact of that man and what was done to him at that point in his life.

01:51:02.880 So when you did the study and you found the blood, but then you found nothing on the cloth that provided the image, what do you think?

01:51:17.500 Well, here's an interesting thing.

01:51:18.820 What do you think that might have been?

01:51:20.500 Sure.

01:51:20.980 But here's an interesting thing.

01:51:22.960 Wherever there's blood on the shroud, there's no image.

01:51:25.340 That implies that the blood got onto the cloth by direct contact with the body before the image was formed, because there's no image under the blood stains.

01:51:35.500 So what I think is that we have an artifact.

01:51:40.300 Think about this.

01:51:41.180 Because when the tomb was found empty and the cloth was found, they couldn't very well come running out of the tomb and saying, look what we found, because it violates several Jewish laws. 0.77

01:51:51.300 It contains blood.

01:51:52.440 It must be buried with a body.

01:51:54.280 And of course, it contained an image, which is forbidden to this day by both Jews and Muslims alike.

01:51:59.520 So they had to hide it, and otherwise iconoclasts would have come and probably destroyed it and anybody who had it in their possession.

01:52:08.880 Wow.

01:52:10.440 So I've always looked at the shroud as photonegative.

01:52:17.080 It's almost like at the time of resurrection, it's like a burst of light, and that burned that image into that cloth.

01:52:27.600 How do you explain the image?

01:52:30.680 Well, you know, if I could answer that question, Glenn, I'd be way ahead of the game by now.

01:52:35.860 That remains the question.

01:52:40.100 How did this image get there?

01:52:41.640 You know, with all the science that's been performed on it, and I have to remind everyone, only one set of scientific tests have ever been performed on the shroud.

01:52:50.880 Since our work in 1978, 45 years ago, no one else has ever been given permission to examine it.

01:52:59.400 So our science forms the database of peer-reviewed science documenting specifically what's on that cloth.

01:53:08.620 And sadly, after all this time, we couldn't answer that one question, how is the image formed?

01:53:15.680 It still remains a mystery.

01:53:19.340 So what were the questions that you had that made you, that you said, I had to answer, and now I've got all of the answers?

01:53:29.500 What were those questions that were out there?

01:53:31.880 The main question was, you know, was this some form of artwork or painting?

01:53:36.000 And so certainly we had with us the spectral characteristics of every paint and pigment known to man from medieval to modern times,

01:53:46.260 so that we had that as a database for comparison to what we found on the shroud.

01:53:50.960 And there's no paint or pigment anywhere on that cloth, so we were able to eliminate it being an artwork, or at least create it that way.

01:53:58.260 One of the other ideas was that it might have been a scorch caused by, somebody said, heating a statue and laying the shroud onto it.

01:54:07.280 Well, one of our tests, ultraviolet fluorescence photography, showed all the actual scorches.

01:54:13.360 There are burns and scorches on the shroud from a fire in 1532, and all the actual scorches from a high-temperature event all fluoresced in the red on our fluorescence photography.

01:54:25.800 And the image did not fluoresce at all, so it was not the product of a high-temperature event, so we were able to eliminate scorching.

01:54:34.240 And photographically, if it were made photographically, there would be silver all over the cloth, because that's the light-sensitive material that would have been used.

01:54:42.460 We found zero silver anywhere on the cloth, and were able to eliminate photography as well.

01:54:48.060 So, even though it has one property, like a photographic negative, the lights and darks are inverted from what we're used to seeing,

01:54:56.720 that's about the only characteristics of the shroud's image that's like a photograph.

01:55:02.600 There's depth information encoded into the density of the image, and this is where it gets a little complicated,

01:55:08.720 but that depth information yields a topographical shape of a human form.

01:55:16.080 Normal photography doesn't do that.

01:55:18.080 So, we've eliminated all those, and we're still left with the mystery of how was this image formed.

01:55:25.500 Are there any other...

01:55:26.740 Pat, do you believe...

01:55:27.760 Are there any other...

01:55:28.580 I'm sorry, I was just going to ask you.

01:55:29.620 Yeah.

01:55:30.260 Barry, do you know of any other instance where a shroud, a burial shroud, has had images burned into it?

01:55:39.720 Well, the problem with that question is that historically, burial shrouds wrap a body.

01:55:45.280 Both of them deep...

01:55:46.600 They're both made organically.

01:55:48.180 They both decompose over time, so finding intact burial shrouds is very rare indeed.

01:55:54.420 In fact, I'm not aware of any intact burial shrouds other than this one.

01:55:58.560 And that indicates it was separated from the body at some point in time after about 30 to 36 hours.

01:56:05.280 And is there DNA on it?

01:56:07.020 Well, there's a lot of DNA on it, including my own.

01:56:11.120 Okay.

01:56:11.860 Because in 1978, we didn't know about DNA, and we all handled it and touched it and breathed on it and leaned over it.

01:56:18.300 So, there's lots of DNA on it, which eliminates DNA as a viable test because of the contamination.

01:56:25.880 So, you are Jewish.

01:56:27.920 You believe this was from the man named Jesus.

01:56:35.380 Correct.

01:56:35.560 If you approach this today, and I know you approached it with reverence for what it is, does it carry any God meaning to you?

01:56:45.900 Well, you know, from my point of view, I think that Christians who look at it, many believe this is a product of the resurrection, a result from the resurrection event.

01:57:01.260 Right.

01:57:01.860 You know, I always tell people that science has to stay within the observable and the measurable.

01:57:08.180 Correct.

01:57:08.600 Because faith has no boundaries.

01:57:10.820 So, people of faith can look at this and believe this is the product of the resurrection.

01:57:15.060 And from a scientific point of view, that's not a theory that we can test.

01:57:19.420 Nobody knows the mechanism of resurrection.

01:57:22.200 You can't use one unknown to prove another unknown.

01:57:25.320 So, I always tell people, look, what does your heart tell you?

01:57:28.740 Follow your faith.

01:57:30.420 Jesus himself said that the kingdom of God is within us.

01:57:33.760 So, I just tell people, look, the answer to faith isn't on the cloth.

01:57:37.720 It's in the eyes and hearts of those who look upon it.

01:57:40.720 And I think that's where you have to be.

01:57:42.660 You know that for those to whom this is important, it's there as a symbol of their faith.

01:57:48.540 And for those who want to walk away from it, and I've met many people who just shrug and walk away, that's up to them as well.

01:57:55.700 The answer to faith is within each of us, and we each have to find that space for ourselves.

01:58:02.400 And you, but you say this was the man, Jesus of Nazareth, and that is just because of the markings on it?

01:58:10.180 Yeah, I don't know of anyone else that suffered a very specific set of tortures that are well-documented in the New Testament that were performed on Jesus.

01:58:20.020 And this forensically accurately documents all of those wounds exactly as described in the Gospels.

01:58:29.720 Yeah, it's fascinating talking to you, Barry.

01:58:32.300 I was just over in Europe, and I said to my wife, I so want to go see the Shroud of Turin.

01:58:42.080 And I wasn't sure what it was.

01:58:45.580 I actually kind of believed the carbon dating stuff that it probably was not,

01:58:53.880 but I looked at it as a miraculous piece of art that we just don't understand.

01:59:00.500 Well, Glenn, there are now at least five peer-reviewed scientific papers in the scientific literature

01:59:08.620 disputing the radiocarbon dating, including the last one that came out based on the raw data that we finally got our hands on.

01:59:17.580 And it shows that they were sort of cooking the data and eliminated a lot of their tests,

01:59:24.200 because if they had kept them, they couldn't have reached the 95% certainty that they claimed.

01:59:28.720 So I don't believe that the radiocarbon dating was valid.

01:59:34.280 And I think there's a massive amount of scientific evidence that proves that.

01:59:38.960 So I think that we have to start again.

01:59:41.800 And perhaps in the future, they'll allow another set of tests and perhaps perform a radiocarbon dating

01:59:47.500 that is more accurate than the one that they used in 1988 that claimed the Shroud was a medieval fake.

01:59:55.880 You can see all of the evidence and everything else at Shroud.com.

02:00:02.160 You see some of the pictures of everything that happened.

02:00:04.680 Barry Schwartz is his name.

02:00:07.100 The Shroud of Turin Research Project official documenting photographer

02:00:10.480 and Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association president.

02:00:14.900 Thank you so much, Barry.

02:00:16.140 God bless.

02:00:17.020 My pleasure.

02:00:17.760 And God bless you and yours.

02:00:20.020 Yeah.

02:00:20.240 So, wow.

02:00:22.220 What do you think, Pat?

02:00:23.540 Really interesting.

02:00:24.860 I don't know what to think about the Shroud.

02:00:27.020 I haven't studied it that carefully, but that's what he said is fascinating.

02:00:32.780 I had no idea about the wound marks in his side.

02:00:37.860 Had you heard that before?

02:00:39.280 Oh, yeah.

02:00:39.840 Wow.

02:00:40.300 That's amazing.

02:00:41.120 I was raised Catholic, so I know the Shroud of Turin, and I've always been fascinated by it.

02:00:48.520 I didn't know that there was actual blood on it.

02:00:50.820 Yeah, I didn't.

02:00:51.340 That there's no image under the blood, which is very strange.

02:00:56.200 And, you know, didn't know that the carbon dating was wrong, which is very fascinating.

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02:02:41.960 Here we are at the precipice of a weekend.

02:02:45.200 And it feels good, doesn't it?

02:02:46.920 It feels good.

02:02:48.440 Despite all of the madness happening in the world.

02:02:51.000 By the way, speaking of the madness happening in the world, people still stepping up.

02:02:56.200 And we interviewed Joe the Plumber maybe an hour ago or so.

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02:03:14.240 And now, there's $63,000 total so far.

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02:03:24.120 So, that's over $15,000 more.

02:03:26.120 So, $30,000 plus just since the end of the interview from you.

02:03:30.880 Thank you.

02:03:31.680 Thank you so much.

02:03:33.840 A really awkward moment happened with South Carolina's Nancy Mace, a U.S. representative from South Carolina.

02:03:43.040 She was at the prayer breakfast that they hold every year.

02:03:47.180 And she had something very interesting to tell the people who were gathered at the prayer breakfast yesterday.

02:03:55.180 Check this out.

02:03:56.160 If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted?

02:04:02.080 If you believe we have crashed craft.

02:04:04.560 That's not the prayer breakfast.

02:04:05.880 It's another standing room only event.

02:04:08.120 Yeah, there it is.

02:04:08.660 And when I woke up this morning at 7, I was getting picked up at 7.45.

02:04:13.700 Patrick, my fiancé, tried to pull me by my waist over this morning in bed.

02:04:18.360 And I was like, no, baby, we don't got time for that this morning.

02:04:21.240 I got to get to the prayer breakfast.

02:04:23.040 Wait, what?

02:04:23.340 And I got to be on time.

02:04:25.220 And a little TMI.

02:04:27.300 Yeah.

02:04:28.560 Yeah, a lot TMI.

02:04:30.600 I'll see him later tonight.

02:04:31.840 At the prayer breakfast, she's announcing to everybody that she turned down the sex with the person she's not quite married to quite yet.

02:04:44.780 But she promises, yeah, later on, don't worry about it.

02:04:48.600 When I get home tonight, it's on.

02:04:50.780 Like Donkey Kong.

02:04:52.060 So that was great.

02:04:53.740 Just a tad inappropriate.

02:04:55.160 Maybe some of those things you just keep in your inside voice from now on, Nancy.

02:05:00.280 Just a quick suggestion.

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The Glenn Beck Program - July 28, 2023

Glenn LOSES IT over White House's 'SICKENING' Treatment of RFK Jr. ｜ Guests： Joe the Plumber & Barrie Schwortz ｜ 7⧸28⧸23

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