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00:02:52.960 hello america welcome to the glenbeck program i was in north dakota last night and it was

00:03:00.120 absolutely amazing uh tp usa and what charlie started is is grown into something absolutely

00:03:08.600 amazing there were about 2500 students there last night i had a blast it was they were so

00:03:15.000 gracious and so kind and the audience was great but there is inside of that a warning

00:03:21.320 um uh that i didn't realize until the last six minutes that i was on stage when i was taking

00:03:28.740 questions um that i want to talk to you about um so we'll we'll go over that uh and something that

00:03:36.000 uh christopher rufo wrote the other day the right way to fight anti-semitism uh and i read it and i

00:03:43.780 think a lot of people will think uh glenn's gonna be against this nope i believe christopher rufo was

00:03:49.700 100 right in what he wrote and i want to share that with you and come in just a second first

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00:05:03.440 that's a great question glenn no idea that's my new position on that question i have no freaking idea

00:05:10.280 so in other words it's going to be exciting to see how it all works out it really will really it

00:05:15.280 really is yeah intense movie we're about to watch uh got more intense last night got more intense last

00:05:22.040 night and i will share what i'm willing to share with you on the air uh today but i i want you to

00:05:28.320 really hear me carefully there is a grave grave danger that is building um and i want to talk to

00:05:36.880 you about it i saw it last night with my own eyes um in a very small number i want to make this really

00:05:43.640 clear very small number of students uh i saw it last night and um i want to talk to you about it

00:05:51.320 but first let me set it up with this so christopher ruffo uh wrote on the right many supporters of

00:05:58.080 israel i think that would be you and me many supporters of israel because i'm a supporter

00:06:02.340 including prominent republican politicians argue that america has a theological duty to support

00:06:09.500 the jewish state now i think personally for me i feel that's true but what does that mean exactly

00:06:17.780 i'll get into it in a minute their view is based on a complex interpretation of bible prophecy as a

00:06:23.420 catholic i find it mystifying as a political analysis i analysis i find it unconvincing analysts sorry

00:06:29.400 the other supporters would like to shut down critical analysis of the war altogether equating

00:06:36.080 criticism of israel with anti-semitism and suggesting those who question the wisdom of

00:06:41.020 america's support should be unwelcome in polite society i want you to know on the outset absolutely 0.66

00:06:46.120 wrong because you disagree with israel does not make you an anti-semite doesn't it doesn't it makes

00:06:54.760 you a thinking human being honestly these moves might have been effective in the past but not so

00:06:59.800 much anymore instead of theological or shame-based approaches friends of israel must frame their

00:07:04.080 arguments in terms of america's national interest 100 percent right 100 percent right we need to

00:07:14.560 understand our national interests so hear me out on this so you know i have received the defender of

00:07:24.280 israel award from benjamin netanyahu years ago i was just named by the jerusalem jerusalem post as the

00:07:31.100 number one christian supporter of israel in america so i'm kind of known as i guess a zionist

00:07:38.040 okay i believe that israel has a right to exist and the jewish people have a right to live

00:07:43.280 somehow or another you get awards for saying that but i want you to understand something

00:07:49.260 my support is not blind loyalty nor is it uh anything that is makes me israel first doesn't

00:08:00.680 god first america second israel is in the pile of everything else okay my first citizenship is to

00:08:10.900 the kingdom of christ my second citizenship is to america i will do nothing that will violate my

00:08:17.940 citizenship my passport to the kingdom of god and i certainly won't violate things for my first

00:08:24.240 citizenship to save my second citizenship but that's the rank of my citizenship god first america

00:08:33.080 right behind it in the earthly sense america first okay no loyalty to the government of israel in fact

00:08:43.020 there's many things i don't like about the government of israel but you know what i'm not a citizen i don't

00:08:48.480 vote and i'm not i don't have to worry about their laws when it comes to war i want nothing to do with that

00:08:57.100 foreign war or quite honestly almost any foreign war i'm tired of paying for it i'm tired of our blood being

00:09:04.540 shed i want nothing to do that's not my support of israel or the jewish people it what is required when we

00:09:15.780 talk about these things is israel's israel's existence is not just about their national survival

00:09:25.300 it is about the survival of western civilization itself it is the only lone beacon in the middle east

00:09:35.720 that uh is standing against radical islam they're the only ones they're the number one target of radical 0.75

00:09:43.740 islam now look at what's happening in the middle east right now those countries that we used to think

00:09:51.220 of as having real radical ties now saudi arabia they're actually saying you know what we can

00:09:57.720 coexist that's what's necessary coexistence in the middle east as long as we have a reason as long as

00:10:06.200 we believe we each have a reason to live and we have a right to live we can solve any problem we can solve

00:10:13.660 any problem they are facing islamicist evil and that evil is the same evil that wishes to dismantle 0.99

00:10:27.360 our civilization and our country and it's happening in our own country my support is not rooted in

00:10:36.620 politics it is rooted in something simpler and older than politics a people's moral and historic

00:10:43.340 right to their homeland and to their right to live in peace that's it and i would say that to

00:10:50.460 anybody if the gauzans wanted their own land and say because this is a two-state solution that's been 0.76

00:10:58.840 offered to them over and over and over again but it wasn't river to the sea which is the definition

00:11:04.800 of wipe out all of the jews no jews in this land okay you want to share i'm totally fine with that 1.00

00:11:12.060 but i can't i couldn't we wouldn't put up with a neighbor who's constantly saying and trying to 0.99

00:11:18.360 kill you so when it comes to politics i believe israel has a right to defend herself against those

00:11:26.800 who openly repeatedly vow her destruction but i'm not going to fight that i don't agree with everything 0.98

00:11:35.400 that israel has done but what difference does that make because i'm not asking for our dollars or our

00:11:42.100 blood to be spent i just say everybody has a right to live but let me make it personal

00:11:48.020 if if somebody told me over and over and over and over again that they wanted to kill me and my entire

00:11:57.600 family that i didn't have a right to exist that i was the source of all evil in the world and then

00:12:05.680 acted on that threat over and over again do you believe i would have a right to defend myself

00:12:11.920 if i couldn't get anybody in the world to listen and stand with me and i had to do it all myself

00:12:18.620 would i have a right to to take action in response to them remember i believe you know nature's law

00:12:29.900 gives us a lot of stuff if if i walk into a a bear cave and mama and the cubs are in there i think

00:12:38.660 the bear has a right to maul me to death because it senses trouble now that's an animal but if i go in

00:12:44.800 and i'm hunting those cubs mom does have a right to kill me but that would you know that would assume 0.99

00:12:52.640 that she had any kind of intellect humans have intellect if hamas were canada and we were israel

00:13:01.320 and hamas canada did to us what hamas did to israel answer this question honestly would there be a 0.68

00:13:12.820 single building left standing north of our border today if they came and raped the same percentage 0.97

00:13:19.720 killed slaughtered set our babies on fire do you think that we wouldn't have crippled 1.00

00:13:27.960 canada right now and no matter what anybody said you think we would stop until that threat stopped

00:13:34.460 that's not a question of morality that's just the truth all people everybody has a god

00:13:42.000 god-given right to protect themselves period and israel is doing that in the way they feel it's

00:13:47.820 right you can argue with that and you can disagree vehemently with the way they're fighting the war

00:13:53.100 my support for israel's right to finish the fight against hamas comes after 80 years of rejected

00:14:01.920 peace offerings two failed state solutions um hamas has not hidden its miss its mission

00:14:09.480 hamas says it's the eradication of israel that's not a political disagreement that's not a reasonable

00:14:17.240 disagreement in my book it's not a land dispute that's that's annihilists that's that's uh that's 0.88

00:14:27.960 people who who who are actually calling for genocide and proudly calling for wiping out of all the jews 0.95

00:14:35.360 okay do i believe that america should be in that fight no do i believe it is in our national interest

00:14:42.300 yes to support the people who are standing up against what will be our possibly last foreign war

00:14:52.480 as jefferson said islamists believe if you listen to what's being said in dearborn

00:15:01.900 they are planning on sharia law here in america that is that will wipe everything of the west out 0.99

00:15:09.840 and they are moving in to our countries i have no problem with muslims i have a big problem with 1.00

00:15:17.240 islamists and there's a huge difference what we saw on october 7th was the face of evil women and 0.99

00:15:27.140 children slaughtered and beyond that even the nazis tried to hide it okay the nazis they knew the rest of 0.96

00:15:36.180 the world would not approve these people were proud of it we've played the tapes for you babies burned

00:15:43.240 alive innocent people raped dragged through the streets and now we see people defending that evil

00:15:50.600 in our own country that is nothing short of a moral collapse that is probably the greatest danger 0.99

00:15:59.640 that we have is this is this ideology that says if i disagree with you i can kill you

00:16:07.380 the the confusion of i disagree with israel the way they're fighting a war 0.97

00:16:14.460 and so i'm going to say i support hamas because the jews are always wrong the jews are lying and i 0.82

00:16:21.920 don't believe any of those videotapes because it was probably jewish propaganda that's moral collapse 1.00

00:16:27.940 if the chance in the street were hamas give up the hostages don't ever do things like that again 0.99

00:16:35.480 and israel for the love of pete stop the bombing i'd be totally cool totally cool because that's

00:16:42.120 reasonable but that's not what we hear we hear open sympathy for genocidal hatred

00:16:50.520 that is a chasm that is opened up in our society and it's not just a chasm opening up you know from

00:16:57.920 decency but from humanity itself and that's where the danger lies the same hatred that we saw in the

00:17:07.220 1930s that i predicted would happen again about 2008 that we would see it on our streets that hatred is

00:17:14.760 taking root here in dearborn in minnesota in london in paris and not as horror but heroism

00:17:24.540 and if we're not vigilant the enemy that israel is currently facing today will be the enemy that the

00:17:32.680 free world will face tomorrow that's not about politics that is truth it's not

00:17:40.420 it's a it's about having the courage to call evil by its name and say that doesn't happen

00:17:49.320 never again not in the future that doesn't happen

00:17:53.100 you don't have to open a bible to believe or understand this you don't but if you do if you're

00:18:00.860 believer then the issue cuts much much deeper and i wrote an op-ed on this and will be publishing

00:18:05.900 at glenbeck.com that goes deeper into that but i don't expect you to believe the bible or believe

00:18:10.780 what i believe i believe it's a very strong case good versus evil here or right versus wrong if that's

00:18:18.700 the way you want to phrase it and national interest if you look at what the world is headed towards

00:18:24.240 this this this is not just about israel's right to exist this is about whether we still know the

00:18:33.360 difference between right and wrong good and evil life and death cults it's about do we have the courage 0.85

00:18:41.840 to stand for the principles that god outlined and that's not you're going to inherit the land or any of that crap

00:18:49.840 the principles of you can live i believe you have a right because you just like me

00:19:00.160 are a beloved child of god that's what it is and if we can't if we don't have the courage to make the

00:19:09.280 case and and and and we we're trying to convince people just to blindly follow because god says god

00:19:18.180 expects us to kick into reason god expects us to think things through and god expects us to disagree

00:19:25.200 if we can't do those things if we won't do those things then the question is not will israel survive

00:19:35.080 the question is will we survive i want to tell you why i'm saying all this here in just a second first

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00:20:43.720 seconds station id so last night i was in north dakota and i had a blast the people at tp usa are just

00:21:00.200 doing an unbelievable job um this this crowd last night 2500 people uh was fantastic um they are awake

00:21:10.420 i mean i was boring them with history for 90 minutes and they were still awake and they were still awake

00:21:16.100 wow yeah they were still awake and uh like maybe five people got up and walked out i mean you know

00:21:22.140 it was probably because i was boring them to death but anyway um they were fantastic we got to the

00:21:28.520 questions and i don't want to overstate the support of these questions okay but i want you to know it

00:21:36.440 only takes one to change everything um my first question i got last night was from a very respectful

00:21:44.300 kid who asked me about my religion and he was very respectful and we had a great conversation about it and

00:21:50.140 you know you believe what you believe i believe what i believe here's why let's just not divide

00:21:56.020 ourselves everybody who's trying to fight for good look at the fruits of the of the tree and let's god

00:22:02.640 will settle all this stuff okay he will you know if i'm not a christian and that's the only way i can

00:22:07.420 get to heaven which i believe uh well then you know what i'm going to hell and i'll be very well aware 0.57

00:22:14.480 of that when i get there but that's for god to judge and i'm not going to judge you um so it's great

00:22:20.940 the next question and several questions after that were well one of them ended and the audience

00:22:29.280 couldn't hear this you know clearly because it was said by the person behind the person with the

00:22:34.340 microphone but it all was about the jews and when you talk about israel that's one thing when you talk

00:22:40.780 about the jews and again don't think that you have to agree with israel to um to not be anti-semitic

00:22:53.340 you can be vehemently against the war and how they're fighting and benjamin net and yahoo and all

00:22:58.220 the politics you want and you're not an anti-semite but when somebody says like they did last night who

00:23:05.580 was lined up um where's your proof that hamas did any of those things on october 7th

00:23:16.000 that's a jewish conspiracy we're in trouble as a movement if it's coming from our side and it is 0.99

00:23:25.640 this is glenn beck we'll continue our conversation and i want to play some of the things that i said

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00:24:51.120 welcome back to the glenn beck program we are so glad that you are here thank you so much for

00:25:11.680 listening to the broadcast today i just got back late late late last night from north dakota i wish

00:25:17.980 you would have been there stew with tplsa it was amazing they're awesome they're awesome i wish i

00:25:22.380 was there too i i saw that you're retiring and uh so are you going to become a baker or are you going

00:25:27.400 to be yeah somehow or another i announced that i was retiring uh i don't i didn't know that but

00:25:32.800 i didn't know that actually either um you know seeing that i you know just signed an extension to

00:25:38.460 my contracts um but uh uh yeah that's uh that came out all wrong uh so you're i was talking about

00:25:46.140 charlie and i was talking about how i was trying to teach you've got to work for the things finish

00:25:53.120 what you start get up every day and work and do the things you have to do to get and i related it to

00:25:59.700 when he was 16 years old he said he wanted my job he wanted to be like me which translation he wanted

00:26:04.380 to be like rush limbaugh he wanted the network show and everything else and uh and what i was trying to

00:26:12.060 say was i was going to say to charlie either last night when we saw each other uh or when i saw him

00:26:19.620 at amfest charlie i told you well kid maybe someday when he was 16 or 17 years old gotta do the work

00:26:28.220 you gotta do the work and i watched him and he did the work and i wanted to take that to the next step

00:26:33.200 and say good job good job you deserve any way i can help you i will mentor you when i retire in 10

00:26:41.700 years i'm never gonna retire but if i retire in 10 years here are the keys take it you deserve it

00:26:48.980 you deserve it i mean he's such a powerful person in the movement and that is a uh something that

00:26:56.500 you've talked about i know to me even off the air but i think as well and i think that i don't think 0.99

00:27:01.640 he actually would have i would have also said to him you're stupid because you are you are everywhere 0.97

00:27:09.840 doing everything yeah why you know rush used to talk about this i make my impact here charlie was 0.99

00:27:16.380 making his impact everywhere yeah in politics in washington you know what i mean but that's what

00:27:23.060 i was trying to say so didn't introduce my retirement uh at all i got so excited i was like oh my gosh he's

00:27:30.620 going away and then you're like yeah no yeah sorry sorry not gonna do that unfortunately um here let

00:27:35.900 me give you a couple of things that i shared um uh at tp usa uh yesterday i tried to you know as i was

00:27:42.780 flying up i thought i want to share like some lessons that i've learned that are important cut one

00:27:49.640 you promise me if i live my life the way you tell me to live my life if i'm always doing

00:27:56.160 what you ask me to do you will take this from me this is about redemption i don't know why they

00:28:05.380 cut the ones with me crying and my life changed overnight

00:28:09.540 see i i feel like if i was out on a ship i wouldn't want my captain to be crying like this truth

00:28:18.040 is about you that you have running in your head but it's probably not very good we all have these

00:28:24.180 things oh if people only knew if if people only knew what i thought or what i did or i'm not good

00:28:29.560 enough i'm a fraud whatever it is that's a lie maybe somebody in your life has been telling you that 0.94

00:28:36.360 crap turn that off turn that off you are a divine daughter and son of god with all of the rights and 0.99

00:28:45.840 privileges that go with that you are equipped with everything you need don't let anyone tell you 0.99

00:28:53.080 somebody stands in your way don't let anybody tell you you can't do it the system is rigged against

00:29:00.380 you i am a son of god i have everything i need so you're retiring to be a yacht captain that's what

00:29:11.280 that's no i'm gonna take over for god oh okay you know yeah he's he talked to me he's gonna turn

00:29:16.320 the keys over he's retiring he's gonna turn the keys over to me uh here is uh here i am talking

00:29:21.940 about the recipe for success hopefully i'm not crying in this clip please help i meet a million

00:29:29.640 people all the time who say i want to have your job usually what they're saying is i want the fame

00:29:38.680 or i want the fortune and i'm like you can have that it's battery acid to the soul

00:29:45.300 really you want my job yeah well i'll i'll help you any way i can if you want to intern or you

00:29:55.140 you know you want to mentorship i'm willing to do that no nobody finishes nobody's willing to actually

00:30:05.020 put in the work you're not paid what you're paid because you kind of phone it in you only succeed

00:30:14.080 when you are doing everything all the time and you are focused and you're disciplined and you work

00:30:22.420 hard and you finish what you start when that happens the whole world changes i'm telling you

00:30:29.760 work hard people who are successful will see it and you'll rock it to the top that is the section

00:30:38.180 where i was talking about charlie he did the work he did the work he deserved to get the breaks um

00:30:45.280 because he created them next one i talked about is there bad listen to this there is no such thing

00:30:54.080 as bad things it's what you do with it it's what you're going to do with charlie kirk's death

00:30:59.800 you had a choice choose death choose anger choose vengeance or choose life choose charity

00:31:09.460 choose peace choose forgiveness and look how you've already changed the world there is no such thing as

00:31:19.900 bad if you make the choice to see the good that can come from it it was it was it was it was a great

00:31:28.000 night i could have spent i mean i could have sat down with those people all day long i just they

00:31:33.820 are there is great hope for america in the youth and the bravery and the focus of that organization

00:31:41.020 to continue with these events after everything that's happened let me tell you something real true

00:31:45.940 bravery yeah true bravery um it is it's just great and i you know i talked to him last night and i

00:31:54.020 want you to hear this and i want you to share this with people who are their age do you know what

00:31:59.040 people were saying about the greatest american generation back in the day this is in the 30s

00:32:04.540 you know everybody's you know doesn't have a job it's the great depression uh things are not going well

00:32:12.040 we just came out of the roaring 20s so now these kids who were born in the 20s you know they had

00:32:18.460 refrigerated this is what this is what their parents and their grandparents and everybody else said

00:32:22.380 about that generation they did they didn't have to go out and cut ice we used to have to cut ice we

00:32:28.300 had to milk the cow every day we wanted milk we didn't have a refrigerator okay we had to plow the

00:32:35.000 fields by hand with horses now they get on their tractors these kids are soft they haven't had to

00:32:40.640 work a day in their life you put you turn the keys over to them gotta help us because they don't have

00:32:47.280 any work ethic they don't know how hard it is to actually all of the things same things you're

00:32:53.300 hearing about the 20 somethings now is what was said about the 20 somethings in the 30s and those

00:32:59.820 20 somethings were the ones who became the greatest american generation so it's normal for us to say these 0.95

00:33:08.620 things because when i was a kid that happens every generation cut this generation some slack

00:33:17.500 look at what's happening with the kids at tp usa i'm sorry i don't mean to say kids the college

00:33:23.640 students the 20 somethings look at what's happening then look at those who are still in their teens

00:33:31.160 they're different what what we have to do is let them know gang this is your country this is your

00:33:40.760 country you're going to be the generation that fixes it it's not my generation we're the forgotten

00:33:47.440 generation we're just trying to hold things at bay the generation before us screwed everything up 0.96

00:33:54.580 they're hippies and everybody's got to have everything and all of this crap and then 0.54

00:34:00.160 because we lost view of actual morals actual moral sentiments and we just got trapped into

00:34:11.060 fame fortune it's everything's about money all of that we started worshiping other gods

00:34:16.100 we lost it they instinctively know this isn't right they instinctively know this isn't going to last

00:34:24.520 they instinctively know i didn't know that in when i was in my 20s i didn't see the problem they

00:34:29.100 see the problems they may not know how to fix it yet but that's our job our job is to teach them

00:34:36.020 principles not the answers principles they will find the answers and they're going to be the ones

00:34:43.440 that either push us into slavery or push us into freedom i see great hope on the horizon every time i'm with

00:34:53.160 these kids every time i'm with them i realize oh my gosh i remember david barton and i talked in

00:34:59.680 while we were at fox and he said to me i got news for you glenn we're not going to change it and i'm

00:35:05.560 like what then what what what he's like we're not look at history and he taught me some history about

00:35:11.020 how it happened in the revolutionary war he's like we're the ones who teach we teach the youth and the

00:35:18.460 youth are going to be the ones that are fixing it and that's true my the gen charles charlie's

00:35:24.100 generation they learned from me and david and others like us on fox they took it and then went to

00:35:30.120 hillsdale and actually got a real education that they didn't pay for they didn't care about the diplomas

00:35:36.380 he didn't care about that he just wanted to do the work he really truly was hungry for the truth

00:35:41.980 and he looked for it beyond today's truth he went to ancient truth and then worked his way forward

00:35:49.520 when i thought you know we're not wait we're not going to be able to fix this

00:35:55.560 no i'm like oh geez it's not our job our job is to teach their job is going to be the ones

00:36:03.820 that set the country right and design it the way i mean this is very jeffersonian

00:36:10.200 set it the way they choose it is now their future i prefer they don't you know decide to liquidate

00:36:19.360 all of us over 65 at some point you know well can't afford health care grandpa you're out

00:36:25.340 um but they will they will find the right path have faith in the future because you have faith in god

00:36:33.620 and god sent these people that that age they were born for a reason and i believe

00:36:39.440 they were born to save the world from authoritarianism so have great hope and thank you tp usa thank you

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00:38:20.040 freedom's worth a lot more than comfort here's what i found on the web about that private conversation

00:38:26.660 you just had what are you uncomfortable yet glenn beck is back after this

00:38:33.100 welcome to the uh glenn beck program we're glad you're here uh boy there is a ton of

00:39:03.080 uh going on uh going on in today's world there's a there's a lot uh president is going to what

00:39:10.620 egypt uh on on sunday he'll be over in in egypt and they're going to sign the peace deal that is that

00:39:18.260 is such a historic thing such a historic thing massive development yeah you just pray that it

00:39:24.760 continues to go down the right road i i he's working so hard uh along with uh everybody i think

00:39:30.960 involved in this i was listening to some coverage on this from the mainstream media this morning

00:39:34.360 and it was interesting to hear them talk about it because they there's they're sort of perplexed by

00:39:39.500 trump you know what i mean i think there is a an element of people who just hate him no matter what

00:39:43.940 he does and there's an element in the mainstream that is just like perplexed as to everything he

00:39:47.480 does they don't understand any of it yeah and there's coming across to coming around to this

00:39:51.560 version of understanding where they're they're let's see if you see think the same thing i do

00:39:58.320 i'm interested go ahead where they're seeing it almost as like uh he's able to disrupt it's almost

00:40:05.420 in a disruptor version and they see it as um that's true though i think it is true where he is

00:40:12.820 so unmoored to all every you know what was the thing that kamala used to say uh uh uh uh yeah 1.00

00:40:21.400 not to emburdened by by what has been whatever that nonsense was is in a way it really applies

00:40:27.260 to him he doesn't care about what you know an advisor to kissinger that's true thought you know

00:40:33.780 a million years ago he just does it he does what he thinks is right and there are times where you know

00:40:38.160 you might not like that approach but in this situation it seems to be the only thing that could

00:40:41.960 have possibly shaken i think the calcification around these conversations it's it's never been

00:40:47.120 able to move at all so it's so funny that you say that because i think that's accurate and that's an

00:40:51.080 accurate view of him he doesn't care about you know yeah the mores of the past um however all i'm

00:40:57.260 hearing is he's only doing it for the nobel prize i have heard that as well oh my gosh yes they've said

00:41:02.440 that one explicitly oh yeah you know oh he just wants the nobel prize and it's like yeah that's the only

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00:44:54.720 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:44:58.220 So, Rutgers University had a professor, has a professor, dubbed Dr. Antifa.

00:45:09.660 And it was TPUSA students that went to work to make sure Dr. Antifa didn't have an office.

00:45:19.860 How did it all work out? Where are we on this story?

00:45:23.400 I'm going to talk to the Rutgers University, the chapter treasurer, also the Turning Point USA outreach coordinator.

00:45:33.260 Both of them were instrumental in what just happened.

00:45:37.480 I want them to tell the story here in 60 seconds.

00:45:40.100 Because, as I said last hour, have faith in the younger generation.

00:45:46.360 They get it.

00:45:48.280 And they are really rolling up their sleeves.

00:45:51.560 And big changes are happening.

00:45:53.520 First, let me tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

00:45:56.700 Hopefully, all of the bombs have stopped falling.

00:45:59.100 The sky is quiet right now.

00:46:00.760 That kind of silence has a weight to it.

00:46:02.440 For years, the Jewish people in Israel have lived with the sirens and the loss

00:46:06.440 and the thing that, you know, they've built, often lying in shattered pieces.

00:46:10.760 Because if the ceasefire holds, if this is the beginning of the end of that,

00:46:15.640 then the work of rebuilding begins.

00:46:18.280 The day after the war, you know, it doesn't start with blueprints or buildings.

00:46:22.640 It starts with people.

00:46:23.600 It starts to bring families back to doorways that used to be their homes.

00:46:27.700 Children walking back to school that's, you know, still smell like smoke.

00:46:31.880 It starts with food, water, medicine, and hope.

00:46:34.660 The basics of life that make tomorrow possible.

00:46:36.940 And that's where the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is already at work.

00:46:40.920 They're on the ground helping Israel rebuild their lives.

00:46:44.720 And right now, there is a way to show you stand with the Jewish people.

00:46:48.500 It's called Flags of Fellowship.

00:46:49.860 It's a movement of Christians who refuse to let Israel rebuild alone.

00:46:53.740 I don't want our government doing this.

00:46:55.480 I want people who actually believe in this doing this.

00:46:58.460 I don't want our government to use our tax dollars to do any of it.

00:47:01.880 It's our job because we feel it passionately.

00:47:05.300 Get information about how you can join this historic movement, the Flags of Fellowship.

00:47:09.620 Visit the Fellowship at ifcj.org.

00:47:11.960 That's ifcj.org.

00:47:15.600 Megan Doyle, Ava Kwan, welcome to the program.

00:47:20.160 How are you?

00:47:22.120 I'm doing great.

00:47:23.280 Thank you so much.

00:47:24.580 Yeah, you bet.

00:47:27.600 Who wants to tell me the story of what was discovered and what you were facing?

00:47:35.300 And I'll ask for somebody else to tell me the rest of the story of what happened.

00:47:38.860 Who wants to start?

00:47:41.260 I can start.

00:47:42.400 Okay.

00:47:42.840 And which one are you?

00:47:45.120 I'm Megan Doyle.

00:47:46.020 Okay, Megan.

00:47:46.660 I'm Megan Doyle.

00:47:46.920 Thank you.

00:47:48.000 All right.

00:47:48.340 So, I first want to share with you some of our findings that we found on Mark Bray.

00:47:57.180 His pro-political violence rhetoric is something that should not be tolerated, especially on campuses.

00:48:04.940 And that's what we found in his Antifa, the Anti-Fascist Handbook.

00:48:09.300 They go over strategies like doxing to create mental burdens.

00:48:15.140 They call anyone who basically opposes Antifa as fascists, like Donald Trump and Bill O'Reilly.

00:48:22.880 So, it's really concerning to see that.

00:48:25.900 And I also want to mention that his handbook in the introduction, he states that nearly 50% of the author proceeds from the book would go to the Legal International Antifa Defense Fund,

00:48:43.640 which has notably provided legal support to 10 suspected Antifa members who were charged with terrorism and attempted murder on an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas, on July 4, 2025.

00:49:01.220 So, you know, this guy has serious problems.

00:49:05.540 His rhetoric is quite concerning for conservative students on campus.

00:49:10.020 How long has he been teaching?

00:49:13.640 I believe he has been teaching around near 2017.

00:49:20.680 I believe that's when he joined Rutgers University after previously being fired from Dartmouth for his rhetoric that he was teaching in class, which is political violence.

00:49:35.420 And is this the first?

00:49:37.760 I mean, so at Dartmouth, he was fired for this.

00:49:42.460 He goes to Rutgers.

00:49:44.100 Was anybody concerned?

00:49:45.960 Was anybody bringing this up until you guys at TPUSA?

00:49:51.080 I believe no.

00:49:52.320 I believe no.

00:49:53.820 Also, just to kind of add to that as well, you know, I think that's a big part of why we started our petition in the first place.

00:50:01.100 You know, we wanted to see peaceful change at our university.

00:50:05.660 And we hadn't heard anything from Rutgers or any information about, you know, Mark Bray's long rap sheet.

00:50:13.580 And it's a good thing.

00:50:14.180 Give me information on his long rap sheet.

00:50:16.360 What do you mean by that?

00:50:16.920 You know, just him being dismissed from Dartmouth, you know, for advocating for political violence, you know, being an author of his book, you know, Antifa, the anti-fascist handbook.

00:50:26.780 You know, he is continuously lied to the media about his involvement in Antifa.

00:50:31.480 You know, back in 2017, he was on a podcast called The Final Straw, where he blatantly admits to being a member of a Black Rose anarchist group.

00:50:41.580 Oh, wow.

00:50:41.760 You know, he was if you if you scroll down on his X account back in 2017, he is directly involved with the G20 riots that were in Germany back in 2017.

00:50:52.600 I mean, he posted himself.

00:50:54.240 It's just like right in your face.

00:50:56.160 So, you know, when we found out about, you know, Dr. Antifa, we knew we had to, you know, do things, you know, do things the right way and start a petition for our university to try and draw attention to this matter.

00:51:10.480 And we also want to make clear as well, you know, we don't condone any of the violence that's been being sent to Mark Bray.

00:51:18.960 We condemn any alleged death threats that have been sent to Mark Bray.

00:51:23.420 You know, obviously, we're not big fans of this professor, but we don't want to see him threatened.

00:51:29.140 It's very sad to see that, you know, he does feel threatened by violence, and we don't want to see that.

00:51:36.740 There's nothing more harmful than violence.

00:51:39.920 And if our side engages in violence, you have greatly hurt the republic and greatly hurt our cause.

00:51:46.920 And beyond that, it's just out and out wrong.

00:51:50.520 How do the students now feel, besides, you know, conservatives, how do they feel about him on campus?

00:51:59.340 Well, we, well, you know, I'll speak first and then Megan could go.

00:52:07.260 But, you know, we have not received that great of a response from students on campus.

00:52:14.140 I've personally been doxxed by unhinged left-wing activists on Reddit.

00:52:19.340 And both Megan and I have received a multitude of threatening messages online.

00:52:24.400 You know, and I think that the media has a big part to play in all of this.

00:52:31.740 You know, they've, as I mentioned earlier, they keep spreading this misinformation about Mark Bray, that he isn't involved with Antifa.

00:52:40.240 Meanwhile, you know, like I mentioned, he's on podcasts where he admits to being a part of the Black Rose.

00:52:46.160 And if you scroll down on his X, you see that he's been part of the G2 riots in Germany.

00:52:51.380 So it's, you know, all this misinformation is being spread.

00:52:55.880 And, you know, we're just students who created a petition.

00:52:58.820 We don't want violence, you know, threats or violence whatsoever to him.

00:53:03.040 And we've been labeled as, you know, the scapegoats in all of this.

00:53:07.560 So, Megan, what is, what's the atmosphere for conservatives like at Rutgers?

00:53:13.180 The atmosphere, the best way I can say it, it's like stepping, you have to very, you have to tread carefully whenever you're speaking.

00:53:24.720 Whenever you have a conservative opinion that really doesn't align with the majority of the leftists at Rutgers, it's, you have to tread.

00:53:34.460 And as a conservative myself, I've been attacked in high school and in college now for my opinions, especially with me wanting Mark Bray to get fired.

00:53:48.620 So, yeah, you really have to tread carefully when you're speaking at a campus like this.

00:53:55.420 Megan, let me stay with you for just a second.

00:53:58.400 How has the university reacted to what you guys are doing?

00:54:01.600 The university has not directly responded to us.

00:54:08.040 They have not expressed concern for Mark Bray's alignment with Antifa, which is, it's concerning. 0.67

00:54:15.640 It's disgusting.

00:54:16.900 I feel disappointed with the university that they haven't taken appropriate action, like terminating their professional relationship with Mark Bray.

00:54:25.220 So, I feel, I feel concerned that he's going to be continuing to teach, which he already is.

00:54:31.340 I mean, he has his trip to Spain to flee from the quote-unquote death threats that he's been receiving.

00:54:39.000 And he's beginning online classes.

00:54:42.620 So, it's, and the university is allowing that.

00:54:45.900 So, instead of conducting a proper investigation.

00:54:48.880 What does he teach?

00:54:51.600 What is his class?

00:54:52.380 Um, I believe he teaches, um, a European, I believe he's a history teacher.

00:55:00.980 So, I believe, know that he teaches an anti-fascist class, anti-fascism to be specific, and he teaches European history too.

00:55:11.760 I would love to see his, his syllabus.

00:55:14.340 I'd love to see what he says, um, you know, in the class.

00:55:18.760 Um, uh, Ava, so how many signatures do you have?

00:55:22.880 How many do you think you're going to get to actually have the university engage?

00:55:28.760 Or is there a number that you think will have them engage?

00:55:33.420 You know, I, I haven't checked the petition, um, in the past couple of days.

00:55:38.320 But I think the last time I checked, our petition has around a thousand, um, signatures on it.

00:55:43.700 Now, this is just students?

00:55:44.800 Um, I'm, you know, I'm not sure.

00:55:48.100 I don't have the list of names.

00:55:49.720 I think it's a mix.

00:55:51.200 You know, Megan and I have been trying to spread the petition around online, um, to try and draw as much attention as possible to hopefully get, um, Rutgers to comment on it.

00:56:01.420 Um, but, you know, we're hoping to just kind of spread this around, you know, keep, um, finding out more about Mark Bray, and hopefully we'll be able to get the university's attention.

00:56:09.900 Um, yeah, and...

00:56:12.120 Go ahead.

00:56:12.620 Sorry.

00:56:13.340 No, no.

00:56:13.640 I also want to note that, um, from what Ava said, that the petition is not directly targeted for students.

00:56:23.080 It's targeted at alumni, non-students, and even donors.

00:56:28.040 So they're educated on who Mark Bray is.

00:56:31.120 Where do I go if I wanted to sign this and find out more?

00:56:38.080 So, you can go on change.org.

00:56:40.340 Change.org is, um, the, where the petition is at.

00:56:45.860 And I, I just, um, when I search for it.

00:56:48.220 Also, you know, I, I posted it as well on my X account.

00:56:51.940 It's Ava J Kwan, if you want to go and find a link to it.

00:56:55.700 And, um, you know, we also just want to preface as well that, you know, our petition has nothing to do with the death threats that, you know, he's received.

00:57:05.220 Um, and, you know, we don't want to see any violence towards him whatsoever.

00:57:10.300 Would you say strongly condemn anyone who says that and they're not part of your movement?

00:57:14.340 Of course, of course.

00:57:15.980 We don't want to see that whatsoever.

00:57:17.840 You know, and I think, you know, after, you know, seeing the reaction from many of the students and, you know, just random left-wing activists online, what I've really taken away is that, you know, language today is just used far too carelessly.

00:57:33.580 You know, our words have immense power.

00:57:36.120 You know, so when we're labeled as Hitler or fascist, you know, it's not just an insult to us, but it's implying that, you know, someone's very existence is evil.

00:57:48.300 You know, if someone, you know, came to you on the street and was like, if you had the chance to kill Hitler, would you?

00:57:54.280 I think a lot of people would say yes. 0.67

00:57:56.540 So when you're calling someone Hitler, you're calling someone fascist, you know, you're basically saying that this person is so irredeemable and so wicked that the world would be better off without them.

00:58:06.300 And that kind of language and rhetoric is so dangerous because it doesn't invite dialogue.

00:58:11.200 It shuts down any option of a conversation.

00:58:14.580 And, you know, people who resort to this kind of rhetoric aren't interested in any understanding or reconciliation.

00:58:23.340 And, you know, this kind of language is the same kind of language that led to Charlie Kirk's assassination about a month ago.

00:58:29.200 It's the same rhetoric that's now being used against us as a turning point.

00:58:32.700 And it's the same ideology that Dr. Antifa is promoting in his classroom on the New Jersey taxpayer dime.

00:58:41.120 And, you know, our petition, we wanted to do things the right way.

00:58:45.820 We wanted to enact peaceful change at our university.

00:58:48.520 We don't want to see anyone threatened.

00:58:50.880 We don't want to see any death threats going around to anyone.

00:58:54.060 I want you to go to change.org.

00:58:57.820 I want you to look the story up.

00:58:59.440 Mark Bray, Rutgers University.

00:59:01.540 If you feel compelled to sign the petition, please sign the petition.

00:59:06.420 I would strongly recommend that we are all praying for peace and we are all praying for anyone who is brave enough to stand up.

00:59:15.320 Charlie is not going to be the last, I fear.

00:59:18.880 And we must have forgiveness and love in our hearts.

00:59:23.540 The only way we win this is if we shod our feet in the gospel of peace.

00:59:29.080 If we follow the teachings of Christ, you put good face-to-face with evil, put them split screen.

00:59:37.180 People in America still at this point, I believe, will pick good.

00:59:41.060 But we are close to losing that.

00:59:43.060 So we have to be good, decent, inspiring, uplifting people.

00:59:48.940 And ladies, I don't mean to assume you're both identifying as ladies.

00:59:53.940 Yes, we are.

00:59:55.380 Yeah, okay, good.

00:59:56.460 I just want to encourage you.

00:59:59.400 Keep it up.

01:00:00.280 Stay safe.

01:00:02.060 Know where your lines are and just don't ever give up.

01:00:07.080 Or if you get discouraged, call me.

01:00:08.820 Because I have great faith in your generation and I'm really, really happy to see the way you're handling this.

01:00:16.120 Thank you.

01:00:16.920 Thank you so much.

01:00:18.560 You bet.

01:00:19.180 Megan Doyle, Ava Kwan from Rutgers University and Turning Point USA.

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01:03:58.300 All right, Stu, gosh, where do we begin?

01:04:01.340 What else do we have to cover today?

01:04:05.640 We've got to cover the peace deal.

01:04:09.900 Looks like it's going through, which is amazing.

01:04:13.400 Yeah, Hamas still needs to deliver hostages, which is key. 0.98

01:04:18.000 I thought Coleman Hughes had an interesting point.

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01:04:26.100 But he said that they're seeing in coverage of this in Israel, pure joy is in the air, is how Israeli journalist is describing the mood in Israel right now.

01:04:37.320 He asked the question, though, but how could that be?

01:04:40.800 If the Israelis want, above all, genocide and ethnic cleansing, then why would they celebrate a deal that ends the war with no one's ethnic cleansing and 97% of Gazans alive? 0.51

01:04:51.540 Pure joy is not what you feel when your deepest ambitions have just been thwarted.

01:04:55.200 It's almost as if the goal of the war was really to get the hostages back and oust Hamas.

01:05:01.200 It's almost as if Israelis are motivated by a deep, dark desire to live in peace with their neighbors.

01:05:08.000 Ah, that can't be true.

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01:05:11.620 He's got a, wow, anti-American, that guy. 0.98

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01:05:29.960 Next, I'm going to introduce you to her.

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01:07:11.720 I want to read something from Frances Stout.

01:07:14.540 She posted.

01:07:16.700 She's 16 years old.

01:07:18.160 She lives in Washington State.

01:07:19.560 This evening, as a young female athlete in the United States of America,

01:07:22.840 I was actively silenced for standing up for my own safety and belief.

01:07:28.260 During the Tumwater High School girls basketball game on February 6, 2025, 0.85

01:07:32.860 a biological male from Shelton High School opposing team was brutalizing my teammates,

01:07:39.320 using his biological advantage clearly and intentionally overpowering his competition.

01:07:46.600 I made the decision to sit out one of my very last basketball games of the season

01:07:51.620 because I refused now and forever to compete against any biological male in any sport that I play.

01:07:56.960 I was incredibly distraught at the fact that nobody would step in on our behalf,

01:08:00.640 including the staff coaches, referees, and parents from both sides.

01:08:03.920 This is due to the sheer fact that in our society,

01:08:06.460 we have been pushed to be silent and bow down to the demands to accept what we know to be untrue.

01:08:13.920 When I became visibly upset and angry,

01:08:16.560 I was met with allegations of discrimination as well as threats made by other players

01:08:20.320 and a grown man who was tasked with serving my school district.

01:08:23.740 The principal and athletic director who stood in front of parents and the students

01:08:27.280 claiming to care about our students' bodies, their beliefs, and feelings,

01:08:32.300 but they certainly did not care about mine tonight.

01:08:35.200 This is far from over.

01:08:36.540 It has fueled a passion in me to speak out and go against the wrongdoing

01:08:40.080 that is still happening to female athletes in this great country. 0.79

01:08:43.500 Isn't it ironic that just yesterday, National Girls and Women's Sports Day,

01:08:48.380 was the day that President Trump signed the No Men in Women's Sports executive order?

01:08:54.560 And here I am the very next day having to deal with such an injustice

01:08:57.560 that has caused so much emotional distress in my life.

01:09:01.720 I will never not stand up for myself or my ability to speak out and protect my safety

01:09:08.880 as a female athlete, 16 years old, from Tumwater, Washington.

01:09:15.740 It's Frances Stout.

01:09:17.400 Hello, Frances.

01:09:19.080 Hello.

01:09:19.860 Thank you so much for having me on the show.

01:09:22.480 It is not lost on me the significance of speaking with you today.

01:09:25.760 Oh my gosh.

01:09:26.220 Thank you.

01:09:27.600 So, Frances, you were not notified.

01:09:32.400 Nobody was notified.

01:09:33.220 You just go to this game and you see somebody who you describe as obviously a male.

01:09:37.580 Well, why do you say that?

01:09:40.880 I mean, tell me the intimidation tactics or the brutalization tactics, if you will,

01:09:46.560 that you felt he was doing.

01:09:50.100 Well, I feel it is obvious from any stand where he would have stood out on the court.

01:09:58.820 He was warming up and stretching, looking around, dancing with the girls on his team.

01:10:05.840 It was obvious.

01:10:06.560 There's clear biological differences between girls and boys, and you could just see by everything.

01:10:14.040 And lots of, there was a lot of just roughness on the court and pushing girls down and nothing that a normal girl on my team or the other team would have really been able to do. 1.00

01:10:31.880 So, very harsh and just, it was a clear difference.

01:10:39.060 So, you go and say, I'm going to sit this game out or I can't play because I don't feel safe on the court, correct?

01:10:47.960 Yes, that's correct.

01:10:49.140 And what was the response at the time?

01:10:51.260 At the time, people kind of looked and were, oh, whatever, just asked me, oh, are you sure you don't want to play?

01:11:01.940 It's not that big of a deal.

01:11:03.020 I got told by a lot of people, it isn't that big of a deal.

01:11:05.900 It doesn't matter.

01:11:07.300 There's not, nothing's going to happen.

01:11:10.220 And you're just looking for attention.

01:11:12.440 Every sort of thing that you could hear from people.

01:11:17.300 But it was only until I got upset after seeing him hurt girls on my team and also take away from my ability to play because I feared for my own safety that people really started having issues.

01:11:33.620 And what, when you got upset, what happened?

01:11:35.800 So, I went and tried to talk to the principal of Tumwater, Zach Suderman, and I told him this is wrong.

01:11:46.380 Why are you not protecting me and my right to play in my own sport?

01:11:51.340 And why are you not putting a stop to this?

01:11:54.480 It's clearly wrong.

01:11:55.980 It is a violation of my own privacy and safety that you've told every single person at that school that you care about.

01:12:04.840 But he did absolutely nothing to help me.

01:12:08.420 He told me that it was discrimination against the boy and the man, actually, 18 years old.

01:12:15.280 That's what he said? He said the man?

01:12:16.180 Yes.

01:12:17.360 Wow.

01:12:17.640 He said, I'm not going to misgender, quote unquote, this individual.

01:12:28.280 Okay.

01:12:29.660 He has also said, and maybe it's not the principal, maybe it's the superintendent.

01:12:33.880 As a district, we remain committed to fostering an inclusive environment where all students feel safe, supported, and valued.

01:12:42.220 Do you feel safe, supported, or valued?

01:12:45.540 That is a very easy answer.

01:12:47.760 Absolutely not.

01:12:49.180 There is, in no way am I feeling like I'm supported.

01:12:53.000 I have had, when I was 15 years old, the 18-year-old man was in my own locker room.

01:12:59.260 That is quite the opposite of safe and supported that I should be able to feel.

01:13:04.600 There's a man or boy in the girl's locker room right now at Tumwater High School that they're still doing nothing about telling girls that they can go somewhere else to change if they feel uncomfortable.

01:13:15.220 They only care about a certain protected class, and it clearly is not the girls who just want their own privacy and safety.

01:13:23.760 So, now a lawsuit has been lodged against you.

01:13:28.420 The Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism filed a civil rights complaint to the Department of Education.

01:13:36.580 Yes, on our behalf.

01:13:39.480 On your behalf.

01:13:40.440 We've been filed that.

01:13:41.020 Yes.

01:13:41.340 Okay, thank God.

01:13:42.460 I read that, and I'm like, what are they, how is that possible?

01:13:46.360 On your behalf.

01:13:47.300 However, yeah.

01:13:48.400 I was investigated, however, by the WIAA and Tumwater School District for harassment and bullying for, quote-unquote, misgendering the man, saying that he was a man who was apparently bullying and harassment, and that is what happened.

01:14:05.100 But myself and my family was the one who filed the complaint.

01:14:12.080 Well, I'm glad, because I was having a hard time understanding how our DOJ was not standing up for your civil rights on this, especially since, you know, the president has made it very clear.

01:14:28.440 Yes.

01:14:28.960 Can you give me any update on where this stands and where this is headed?

01:14:32.420 So, we are still waiting to hear back.

01:14:35.680 We filed it a little bit ago, and still waiting for news.

01:14:40.200 We have hope that it'll be in our favor, and I am very much looking forward to seeing where it can take us, and yeah, I am hoping that it'll be all good.

01:14:55.460 Frances, I have to tell you, you give me an awful lot of hope.

01:15:01.760 I think we treat our children as little kids.

01:15:07.920 You know, you hit 16 years old.

01:15:10.640 Back in the old days, back in the old days, I mean, older than me, you know, our founders were in their 20s and 30s.

01:15:18.840 You know, Thomas Jefferson, I think, was 30.

01:15:21.460 They were expected to do more, and we just say, oh, your childhood, your childhood.

01:15:28.400 Yeah, there is something about keeping childhood sacred and keeping childhood as safe as possible, but you are a great example of what 16-year-olds should be like.

01:15:39.700 You should know what your rights are, what your responsibilities are, why you believe certain things that you do, if you're passionate about them.

01:15:49.000 Obviously, you're passionate about this, and make the case.

01:15:53.980 You give me an awful lot of hope, Frances.

01:15:56.740 I very much appreciate that.

01:15:58.700 Well, I cannot tell you how much I, as I mentioned in my speech last Saturday, this is from the turning point of America,

01:16:07.380 and I was an incredible fan of Charlie Kirk.

01:16:12.920 I think he was an amazing man, and I think he's given me a voice to speak out and given me courage,

01:16:21.120 and I think that it's important, although we are young, to speak up for what we believe in.

01:16:27.960 It's important.

01:16:28.780 I've had those values instilled by my family as well and my parents, and I think it's very important.

01:16:36.200 He did not die in vain.

01:16:38.140 I think that we need to make our country proud, and we are going to be the future of America,

01:16:45.640 and we need to start acting like it and speaking up for what we believe in and what is right and no good and evil.

01:16:54.020 Do you have any friends in Washington State?

01:16:58.380 Because I grew up in Washington State.

01:17:00.340 I know what it's like.

01:17:01.740 Your family, you just must—is it just you guys?

01:17:05.020 Are you just alone in Washington State?

01:17:07.660 Because you're amazing.

01:17:09.240 Thank you.

01:17:10.380 But it must not be very popular to be you and your family in Washington State.

01:17:14.900 Well, no.

01:17:15.800 You see all around there's people who disagree, but we have a close group.

01:17:21.280 It really shows you who your close friends are and who is there for you.

01:17:25.800 But it is definitely not the majority in Washington State of what me and my family believe in.

01:17:33.880 But this isn't over, and I think that we can make a change.

01:17:38.100 And I think people need to have their eyes opened and realize that there's clearly something wrong.

01:17:47.660 And I think people can be very oblivious to the fact of that.

01:17:51.180 But it is a pretty small majority, especially in Washington State, as you can probably—

01:17:58.260 I know it quite well.

01:18:00.160 Well, do you have any friends that disagree with you that are still standing with you as a friend?

01:18:08.800 I don't really have many friends who have told me they disagree.

01:18:13.120 I've been called a lot of names.

01:18:14.980 I've lost a lot of friends over it.

01:18:17.240 But I don't have many friends who disagree.

01:18:20.380 I think it's really sad because they've been told by so many people that they are right

01:18:26.240 and people who disagree with them are automatically horrible people.

01:18:30.460 And especially Chris Reichdahl telling people that, oh, this isn't happening.

01:18:36.460 So kids are believing him and parents are believing him.

01:18:39.680 And so they think that I'm just wrong and looking for attention.

01:18:42.760 And I've been called—just the other day, I got called a transphobe in the hallways by this kid that I used to be friends with

01:18:51.240 and say hi to every day.

01:18:53.180 And I walked by and got yelled at.

01:18:56.100 And it's sad.

01:18:57.240 It really is.

01:18:58.380 Yeah, you sound smart enough to know there are easier ways to get attention, right?

01:19:05.020 Exactly.

01:19:06.880 Yes.

01:19:08.380 Thank you so much for everything you're doing.

01:19:11.140 Please keep me informed.

01:19:12.360 Keep us up to date.

01:19:13.380 We want to follow the story.

01:19:14.760 And if there's any way we can help, just know you're not alone.

01:19:18.620 And, you know, it'll be people like you that will be remembered someday.

01:19:24.840 It's the people who did the things they didn't necessarily want to do that didn't make them possible,

01:19:30.820 in fact, made them a target.

01:19:32.080 But they had the faith in something bigger than themselves.

01:19:37.360 They knew they had a responsibility, and they stood.

01:19:40.460 Those are the kinds of people that actually make it into the history books,

01:19:44.620 not the one that walked through the crowd, as you were walking through, who said,

01:19:51.120 you're a transphobe. 0.75

01:19:52.100 That person is never going to be remembered in history.

01:19:54.740 You will be.

01:19:55.680 So, thank you.

01:19:57.000 Keep it up.

01:19:57.300 We truly appreciate that.

01:19:58.980 And it means more than you know from the bottom of my heart.

01:20:02.200 I appreciate this opportunity in speaking with you, and I will not forget what you said.

01:20:07.940 That means a lot.

01:20:09.140 Thanks a lot, Francis.

01:20:10.020 God bless you.

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01:22:04.080 It is Friday.

01:22:05.780 Letitia James has been indicted on bank fraud charges.

01:22:11.120 And, you know, the word is that Donald Trump said to Pam Bondi, prosecute.

01:22:16.760 You know, I have faith that nobody is going to prosecute.

01:22:24.980 I mean, it went to the grand jury.

01:22:26.940 The grand jury found her, you know, had an indictment and found her prosecutable.

01:22:33.420 Um, and, uh, I want to make sure that we play by the rules, but I have to tell you, um, Donald Trump and his family are not going to be in trouble next time because he won't be able to run again.

01:22:46.000 So they don't care.

01:22:46.700 Um, but I will tell you all of the people in the cabinet, all of the people, Pam Bondi and all these people, uh, they are, they better hold the line and do exactly the right thing every step of the way.

01:23:00.620 I don't think that's going to protect them.

01:23:03.320 Uh, if you think weaponization has happened in the past or is even happening now, wait, if the Democrats take control and they will at some point, they will hopefully later, you know, over sooner, but, uh, they will.

01:23:18.640 There is massive trouble.

01:23:20.540 I think that, I mean, I don't want to go too far here, but I think there's a chance they might try to put, you know, someone like the president into prison and they, maybe some of their donors might even try to kill the president.

01:23:30.120 I'm just, I don't know.

01:23:31.480 I think that's possible.

01:23:32.100 I wouldn't go that far.

01:23:33.500 I think it's possible.

01:23:34.640 It is unbelievable.

01:23:35.700 Next, you're going to say they're going to make up stuff.

01:23:37.880 I can't take, I can't take the, I can't believe he's going after his enemies stuff.

01:23:44.640 Like, I get, I, I feel like pretty credible on wanting to hold that line, but you guys can't complain about it.

01:23:51.460 Like Jimmy Kimmel.

01:23:52.560 Oh gosh, I got suspended for four days.

01:23:55.240 Whoa.

01:23:55.940 Did you?

01:23:57.020 They almost threw the president of the United States in prison.

01:24:00.120 In about six different districts and tried to bankrupt him and get him thrown off ballots.

01:24:05.160 Yeah.

01:24:05.320 Take him off the ballot as he's running for president.

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01:25:31.900 Tolkien and AI?

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01:26:28.140 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:26:33.360 I've been waiting for this guy to come on for a while now.

01:26:36.840 I'm really excited about this.

01:26:38.480 His name is Paul List.

01:26:40.120 He has written a book called Mount Doom.

01:26:43.320 He and his co-authors think they have decoded the mythology that is in Tolkien's writings,

01:26:50.820 the Lord of the Rings.

01:26:52.540 And he says that it is a warning for today.

01:26:58.060 You know, I think we all know.

01:26:59.400 I mean, well, maybe a lot of people don't know.

01:27:01.340 I mean, Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were good friends.

01:27:04.540 And C.S. Lewis challenged Tolkien.

01:27:07.960 You write something.

01:27:08.820 I'll write something.

01:27:09.680 And let's see who comes up with the best, most enduring story that will lead people subtly to Christ.

01:27:18.860 C.S. Lewis came up with the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

01:27:22.660 And Tolkien did Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.

01:27:27.080 Lewis said, you win.

01:27:28.920 But now people are trying to squeeze all of the hidden messaging out of it.

01:27:36.200 Well, Paul says there's even more to it than just that.

01:27:39.460 And he's been studying it for a long time.

01:27:41.620 And I can't wait for you to hear his theories.

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01:29:19.020 Paul, Paul List, Mount Doom co-author.

01:29:22.580 Welcome to the program, Paul.

01:29:24.500 Hi, Glenn.

01:29:24.980 Can you hear me okay?

01:29:25.700 I can.

01:29:26.280 I can.

01:29:26.760 I've been waiting for this conversation.

01:29:28.980 As I think your theories are, you know, I haven't done my own homework on this, so I don't know if they're correct or not.

01:29:37.140 But I think they are absolutely intriguing, and especially in a world that is having the problems that we're having, and in a world where everybody's saying, no, Tolkien didn't mean any of that.

01:29:48.300 Oh, no.

01:29:48.900 Oh, yeah.

01:29:49.300 Oh, he absolutely was writing hidden messages, and you say you've cracked that code?

01:29:56.640 Yes, I have.

01:29:57.780 I have from a scholastic point of view, which almost nobody has anymore.

01:30:02.880 Scholasticism is the original philosophy of Christendom, and it was pushed aside and negated and, frankly, defamed by Francis Bacon in the early 16th century.

01:30:20.900 And it fell out of favor for all the abuses and the novelties of the Enlightenment, and we fell heavily under the influence of Descartes.

01:30:32.100 So we have a very Cartesian education system now, so everybody's deeply, that goes through the whole academic process, they're deeply infected with the Cartesian Baconian mindset.

01:30:45.180 So they can't see, and they don't even pay any attention to Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle.

01:30:51.540 I will tell you, I think it is so fascinating, because I think you're right on this, that when you see people, if you are college educated, you're not seeing so many times, even things like how the economy actually works.

01:31:10.180 You're just seeing systems, you're being taught what to think, not how to think, and so you miss everything that's really important.

01:31:20.020 Yeah, really, I honestly don't understand how anybody can function well in the world without having studied Aristotle's basic works, treatises on logic, and almost nobody does.

01:31:31.960 And modern philosophy classes are just a disaster, and philosophy has been, we don't have any real philosophers anymore, or very few.

01:31:41.480 And, you know, most of the people who actually study the Tolkien mythology seriously as a serious work, because it is a very, very deadly serious work,

01:31:50.020 They come at it from this Cartesian viewpoint and perspective, and now it's heavily, heavily contaminated with John Dewey, who actually plays a prominent role in the mythology in Tolkien's work.

01:32:07.320 He's actually, the character is Saruman, who's taken over academia.

01:32:10.700 And, you know, people, if people really want to understand why our state of our education is in such a mess and so infested with Marxism, they have to work, they have to read the works of John Dewey.

01:32:22.940 He really, really, he was a big Marxist, he was a real fan of the industrial education and machinery, and he had taken over, he was a second, he's right from my hometown here in Burlington, Vermont.

01:32:35.340 And, you know, the local university darn near apotheosized him, you know, and they, you know, they think he's great, but he's really, he was really a disaster.

01:32:44.340 He became president of the teachers' college at Columbia University, where he spread his errors all over the world, the Western world, through his education of future teachers.

01:32:56.860 And that's where we are, and I'd like to hear his name come up in a lot of these conversations.

01:33:02.180 For instance, I was listening earlier to you, the girl from, the girls from, was it Rutgers?

01:33:08.040 Yeah, yeah, Rutgers.

01:33:09.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they, you know, go back, go back and read the works of John Dewey and really understand where we are and how we got here.

01:33:17.500 Tolkien, he was a contemporary of Tolkien, and Tolkien knew very well who he was, he was very popular, and they were both educators.

01:33:24.420 Tolkien was a, was a professor of English literature at Oxford University, and he loved teaching, so he was, he paid attention.

01:33:30.460 These ideas, Tolkien's mythology is infused with the most powerful ideas, most potent ideas of all.

01:33:39.500 So before I get too carried away, I'll let you go ahead and ask some questions.

01:33:42.240 Okay, so I want to get to what you believe Tolkien was saying about AI and his relationship with Alan Turing, et cetera, et cetera.

01:33:50.440 But can we start, let's, let's start with just some of the characters that are in, in Tolkien.

01:33:58.800 So let's, let's, let's start with, you know, the, the hobbits and the elves.

01:34:06.180 Perfect.

01:34:06.720 Go ahead.

01:34:07.200 Yeah.

01:34:08.000 Well, we'll start with the hobbits.

01:34:09.180 Hobbits are habits.

01:34:10.960 Okay.

01:34:11.300 So the word habit is used nine times in the whole Lord of the Rings mythology.

01:34:15.220 And lo and behold, it's used eight times in one chapter.

01:34:18.520 And that one chapter is the prologue called Concerning Hobbits.

01:34:22.460 And so there, there are the habits in the, Arda, and then it's difficult to explain this to people who aren't familiar with the Silmarillion, which is the back history that Tolkien worked diligently on after the publication of the Lord of the Rings.

01:34:36.340 And he had to totally switch it around to make it work and be in complete unison and harmony with what he had created in the Lord of the Rings.

01:34:44.020 So hobbits are habits.

01:34:47.420 And the four hobbits that we're most familiar with in the Lord of the Rings, Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Mary are the highest of the virtues and virtues are habits.

01:34:57.060 This is all Thomas Aquinas.

01:34:59.160 Okay.

01:35:00.100 So the Frodo is temperance.

01:35:03.000 Sam is fortitude.

01:35:04.100 They're the interior cardinal virtues and the exterior cardinal virtues who have to serve the interior and grow are Pippin, Prudence, and Mary, Justice.

01:35:14.020 And Gollum is in temperance.

01:35:16.980 And that's why he calls Frodo master, not because Frodo has the ring, but because temperance is the only thing that can master in temperance.

01:35:25.480 They're, that's why they're so, they're so similar and why, and why Frodo has some sympathy for Gollum because they're, they're the, they're the opposite ends of the spectrum, but they're very much, they have a lot in common.

01:35:37.360 So Frodo is the only one that can carry the ring because temperance moderates our sensual desires for pleasure.

01:35:43.700 And the one ring, I'll just get this out of the way right, right now is binary code.

01:35:47.840 It's ones and zeros.

01:35:48.880 It goes on the finger.

01:35:49.760 It's a digital.

01:35:50.920 Okay.

01:35:51.360 So the war here, there's several conflicts going on in the whole mythology.

01:35:55.520 And the first, well, not the first, but prominent among them is the war of language.

01:36:00.600 Go figure, because Tolkien was a philologist, world's leading philologist, the science of, of language.

01:36:06.680 So what's at war is what Arda, the being in which, within which middle earth is part of it, middle earth is the material brain across the sea is a man, the undying realm.

01:36:18.940 And that's the immaterial intellect.

01:36:20.560 Again, this is all Thomas Aquinas.

01:36:22.360 This is scholastic philosophy, which nobody, or scholastic psychology, which has now been replaced by modern union type, you know, states of consciousness and this stuff.

01:36:33.760 But it was, it was never like that.

01:36:35.180 But so, so, so within the, the, the battles that are going on, Arda is made up of music.

01:36:41.820 And it started with the mighty theme that Iluvatar, God, Iluvatar proposed to the I-knew-er and the I-knew-er are the angelic beings.

01:36:50.540 That's funny.

01:36:51.460 Tolkien is a great humorist.

01:36:53.060 So he named, as Aquinas called the angelic mind, the intellects.

01:36:58.540 Tolkien names them derivatively, the I-knew-ers.

01:37:03.740 Like, I know, I knew.

01:37:05.620 It's really funny.

01:37:06.980 So we've got two languages going on.

01:37:08.680 Arda, the being that it's about, it's not about this world.

01:37:11.940 It's about a representative person that represents all of Christendom throughout its history.

01:37:17.920 Okay, and, and, and the, and art is made up of music.

01:37:22.300 And against the language of music, which is, which mathematically and, and linguistically is expressed through the harmonic overtone series.

01:37:30.120 Right.

01:37:30.740 Okay, from which we get our key signatures and everything else.

01:37:33.540 That's the highest language.

01:37:34.560 It doesn't need words.

01:37:35.720 It cuts right through to everything.

01:37:38.000 And then against that, highest language of creation is the most brutal, ugly language of the machine.

01:37:43.520 It's machine code.

01:37:44.580 Okay, okay.

01:37:45.180 So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:37:46.300 Yeah.

01:37:46.720 Show me in the, you know, Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit or whatever, where, where you are, where you are, where he was making the point about music and the machine.

01:37:57.800 Can you do that?

01:37:59.640 Well, I mean, it's all in my book, but I mean, the, the, the point about, about music, the music is, is that if you, if you've ever read the I knew Linda leg, which is, have you, are you familiar with the

01:38:07.980 Silmarillion?

01:38:09.260 Yes, I am.

01:38:10.680 Okay.

01:38:11.160 It's the first chapter in the Silmarillion, the song of the Ainur, and it's just beautiful.

01:38:15.320 I think it's one of the most beautiful writings in all of English literature.

01:38:21.160 And it's about the creation and the, the Tolkien's whole mythology, he takes the, the Genesis story of the creation of all creation, and he, any, and he adopts it to tell the story about the, the, the conception and creation of an individual soul, a person.

01:38:38.360 And this person is named Arda.

01:38:40.480 And within Arda is Middle Earth, and the Middle Earth is the material brain.

01:38:44.660 And, and so, also, you've got, Arda is made up of music, and if we think about it, everything is made up of, you know, relies on the electromagnetic, the forces that hold everything together and create, generate everything else, like gravity and everything else.

01:38:59.400 But it's, harmonics is critical.

01:39:01.720 Everything lives by, everything lives by the laws, mathematical laws of harmonics.

01:39:07.720 And remind me to come back to that and how that relates to Alan Turing and how the, how the rings are developed as a consequence.

01:39:13.820 So, go ahead.

01:39:15.480 Finish, finish up, and I have another question.

01:39:17.000 Yeah, so, so we've got the, the, the, the language we go, to go back to the, to the, the, the, the conflict between these two, and to try to make an example.

01:39:27.520 The ring itself is, is destroying the music.

01:39:31.780 And, and, and the music is the fundamental basis upon which Arda exists.

01:39:37.380 All of creation exists.

01:39:38.820 And the ring itself is like a, like a dissolving agent that's actually tearing it apart and dissolving it and, and destroying it and darkening, darkening our upper intellect, destroying our imagination, sucking us into pornography, sucking us into the virtual realm.

01:40:00.660 And, and, and leading us quite literally, this is a spiritual conflict.

01:40:06.860 Tolkien was very aware of that.

01:40:08.020 So, the machine is there to very seductively and deceptively, insidiously lead humanity right into hell.

01:40:17.400 So, there's no doubt about that.

01:40:18.940 So, does Sauron, is he representing technology?

01:40:25.060 Well, he is artificial intelligence.

01:40:27.960 He is AI.

01:40:28.940 He is inseparable from the Tower of Baradun.

01:40:32.360 That's why you never see him or know much about his physical form in the Third Age.

01:40:37.480 The first form, you're familiar, and they show this pretty well in the movies.

01:40:40.740 We could get into the problems with the movies because they were very well done, but they were also very deceptive.

01:40:45.620 They left way too much out and changed a bunch of stuff because they didn't know what it was about.

01:40:49.540 But the first, you remember that opening scene where Sauron comes out and faces down the, the last alliance.

01:40:54.580 He's swinging his big mace, and that was beautifully done.

01:40:57.600 But that version of Sauron is the child computer, and that's right out of Alan Turing's 1950 paper on computing machinery and intelligence, where he changes the nature of intelligence to make it imitation.

01:41:12.300 And he actually sets up the imitation game, and that's what we're dealing with right now.

01:41:18.180 It's like check, GBT, and whatnot.

01:41:20.240 And that's why so many people think that it's actually alive, because it imitates.

01:41:23.600 Just as Turing said that that's what he wanted, it imitates.

01:41:26.900 But we have to start with, like a child.

01:41:29.620 We'd have to treat the computer like a child with nothing, no information, and train it.

01:41:34.880 And that's exactly what they're doing.

01:41:36.800 That was the first iteration.

01:41:38.520 That was the child computer.

01:41:39.620 And then in the third age, it has an eye now.

01:41:42.040 And it's funny because the child computer didn't have the eye of Sauron, so it was illiterate.

01:41:46.200 It couldn't read.

01:41:47.120 It couldn't read.

01:41:48.740 It couldn't see necessarily the ones and zeros.

01:41:52.060 So this stuff all comes out of, Tolkien develops the development of Sauron.

01:41:57.140 He develops over time, and Tolkien gives him all the elements that are right out of Turing's most potent papers, which in 1930—go ahead.

01:42:07.140 No, no, no, finish.

01:42:07.960 I'm sorry, finish.

01:42:08.880 That's a 1936 paper on computable numbers with an application to the skydance problem, where Alan Turing literally invents the computer on paper.

01:42:17.080 Okay, and then in the 1950 paper, where Computing Machinery and Intelligence, where he proposes the imitation game, and he also talks about the idea, which was very keen to him, the idea of a machine being able to harbor a human soul.

01:42:37.980 And that's the essence of their deception of transhumanism. 0.59

01:42:41.160 And then the final paper, which is a little more obscure, was the chemical basis of morphogenesis, where he talks about rings, and he talks about morphogenic—he uses a ring of cells to actually define and show mathematically, through all the technology and knowledge that they even had at the time in 1952,

01:43:02.920 that we could actually predict how a homogeneous substance in a state of unstable equilibrium, with the right harmonic disturbance, we could predict how it would grow and develop.

01:43:17.940 And AI, or actual technology these days, are using science—or computer science is using that same—those same mathematics from 1952, for the computer AI to develop its own neural network, its own synthetics.

01:43:33.920 Okay, so you are—so let me stop here for a second.

01:43:37.880 Yeah.

01:43:38.280 You are like 10 times smarter than I think I am, for sure, maybe higher than that.

01:43:43.180 And so you're—

01:43:44.020 I doubt that.

01:43:44.460 It's—there's a lot of meat here on the bone.

01:43:49.700 Let me—I'm going to take a quick break, and then I want you to come back.

01:43:52.400 We'll have a couple of minutes.

01:43:53.220 I want you to tell me the relationship between Tolkien and Turing.

01:43:58.520 Did they know each other?

01:43:59.720 What was his thought about all of this?

01:44:03.100 And then we can come back into the story, if you'll do that for me in 60 seconds.

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01:45:21.660 Okay, so for people who don't know, Alan Turing is the guy who the movie Imitation Game was all about.

01:45:38.880 He's the guy who developed the Turing test.

01:45:41.140 How do you know if it's AI and will it ever be able to get to the place to where you think it's human?

01:45:49.380 And AI is blown past, if I'm not mistaken, blown past the Turing test long ago.

01:45:54.220 And this is why we're having a hard time with people going, I'm having a relationship with it because they're really deeply confused.

01:46:06.160 In a minute, can you tell me, did they know each other and how did they know each other?

01:46:12.020 Well, what a lot of people don't realize is that in 1939, before World War II in England, knew that Hitler was coming.

01:46:22.460 And they decided to put together a group of their top intellectuals, 50 intellectuals, to actually participate in what was called the Government Code in Cypher School.

01:46:33.320 And their mission was to crack the Enigma Code.

01:46:36.680 And this is part, this is the substance of the movie.

01:46:39.380 Was Tolkien a part of that group?

01:46:44.420 Yes, yes.

01:46:45.380 He was recruited.

01:46:46.620 And he, yeah, exactly.

01:46:48.560 He trained there for three days and he was offered a job.

01:46:51.560 He was the world's leading philologist.

01:46:52.960 He spoke like 12 languages.

01:46:54.600 But what he realized very quickly was this wasn't about language.

01:46:57.900 It was about statistics.

01:46:59.060 It was data and recognition.

01:47:01.420 All right, hang on just a second.

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01:49:07.000 Paul List is, uh, with us.

01:49:19.400 He is the coauthor of a book called Mount Doom.

01:49:21.960 Um, I am a big fan of Tolkien's books.

01:49:24.560 My, I mean, we watch them, the director's cut, uh, every year we'll sit down and we'll watch

01:49:31.920 it for a marathon day or two.

01:49:33.720 Um, we just love it and I love looking, I know when it was written and it was written

01:49:39.380 at a time of World War II and, and, you know, the, the buildup and all of the evil that

01:49:44.060 the world was seeing much like it is today.

01:49:46.220 And, uh, I look at that and I, and I look for the hidden meanings in it and it's, it's

01:49:52.380 brilliantly written.

01:49:54.040 Most people, I think if you watch the movies, you may miss all of this stuff.

01:49:58.760 So Paul is here and I, I want to bring you back to the characters that we see and we

01:50:03.420 know and what they mean, what, what the mythology is actually trying to tell us.

01:50:10.320 Well, I'll start with the most important characters of the bunch and the, and the enigmatic character

01:50:15.920 and what they left out of the movie were the characters, Tom Bombadil and Goldberry.

01:50:19.720 And no, that's been the big mystery.

01:50:21.920 Well, who the heck is Tom Bombadil and nobody's ever figured it out?

01:50:24.880 Well, you can't figure it out unless you have a scholastic point of view.

01:50:28.520 And Tom and Goldberry are the transmigrated fallen spirits of the trees of light. 1.00

01:50:34.700 Okay.

01:50:35.120 They are the gold, the spirit of the silver tree, which is Talpurion.

01:50:38.740 That's Tom.

01:50:39.880 And the golden tree, then that's Goldberry.

01:50:42.800 And Goldberry actually gets her name from the last golden fruit with which, when they 0.87

01:50:48.240 died, they were killed by Shelob's mother, Ungoliant.

01:50:52.800 They produced one last silver flower and one last silver fruit, which became the moon and

01:50:57.620 the sun.

01:50:58.420 But their spirits, you have to figure this out, their spirits were transmigrated and Owlay,

01:51:02.940 the faculty of growth in the soul, one of the Valar, made new bodies for them just as he

01:51:09.420 had made the Dorbs.

01:51:10.540 And with the Lubitar, they had free will. 1.00

01:51:12.100 So they were given these spirits and they became Tom Bombadil and Goldberry.

01:51:15.700 And what they are is the rational will or the free will, which is Tom Bombadil.

01:51:20.520 That's why he can do anything he wants.

01:51:22.300 He's the will and the rational intellect, which is Goldberry.

01:51:26.560 And it's all scholasticism.

01:51:28.740 So who are the elves?

01:51:33.000 The elves are faith and all their various, because we have faith both in the material and

01:51:37.300 the immaterial.

01:51:37.920 So the three high kings, okay, are how we love and serve the Lord.

01:51:43.900 This is basic Trinitian catechism.

01:51:48.700 Tolkien's giving catechism lessons.

01:51:50.360 They are love, serve, and know.

01:51:53.000 So we have the kings of knowledge, service, and love.

01:51:57.020 And the elves, the Naldor of the knowledge, and Fionor who made the Somerils, he's the 1.00

01:52:03.180 knowledge to make, or the knowledge to make.

01:52:06.020 And he made the Somerils.

01:52:07.180 And his sons, the seven sons, are the quadrivium and the quadrivium of classical education, how

01:52:13.340 we actually learn and the virtues of the mind.

01:52:15.820 So the whole myth, and men, we'll go to men, men are reason. 0.94

01:52:21.020 And all of the categories of reason, from high reason, which is Aragorn, to practical

01:52:27.800 reason, which are the Rohirrim, and all the way down to the wild men, which is vital vitality.

01:52:37.140 It's just instinct, okay?

01:52:41.140 So we've got, for instance, and the whole mythology is about the reunification of faith

01:52:45.700 and reason.

01:52:46.400 It's a response, it's Tolkien's late response to Pope Leo XIII's great encyclical attorney

01:52:53.260 patrus, which he was calling the West back, trying to get them to turn their back on the 0.79

01:52:58.360 ticophony of these philosophies that were turning the Western world, Christian, and suicidal. 0.98

01:53:04.220 And we see that.

01:53:05.180 It's true.

01:53:05.900 And trying to get us to come back to Thomas Aquinas and the Scholastics. 0.96

01:53:10.480 Which is faith and reason together.

01:53:13.480 Faith, exactly.

01:53:14.780 And that is the reunification of Aragorn, the last of the high reason. 0.55

01:53:19.760 That's why he's the king.

01:53:21.060 He's the king, because he's the king of the rational soul.

01:53:24.600 And Elrond's daughter, Arwen, is the last daughter of the elves, of faith. 0.85

01:53:29.840 And it's the reunion of the heirs of Beren and Luthien, which are in the Somerillian.

01:53:36.440 And Luthien, of course, is the heart of the whole story.

01:53:39.120 And Beren, and that is when faith and reason came and joined to their highest degree.

01:53:43.340 And so we come back, and then they come from Rome.

01:53:47.320 Who is Gandalf, or what does he represent?

01:53:51.220 Gandalf is philosophical wisdom in two parts.

01:53:55.160 So the wizards are, according to Aristotle's Necomachian ethics, they are the means by which we acquire knowledge.

01:54:00.840 This is right out of Necomachian ethics.

01:54:05.200 So we've got Gandalf is philosophical wisdom.

01:54:08.920 Saruman, who's taken over academia, is practical wisdom.

01:54:12.440 No longer concerned with the higher realm of philosophy, metaphysics, first principles.

01:54:18.060 Okay?

01:54:18.560 And then we have Radagast, who's rational intuition.

01:54:22.660 The two blue wizards that don't come into the, they keep going east. 0.99

01:54:26.980 They go outside of the psychology.

01:54:28.700 They're art and science.

01:54:29.540 And they're the exterior means by which we acquire knowledge.

01:54:32.980 But Tolkien takes them into account, so he covers all five of them.

01:54:37.520 So Gandalf is, Gandalf the gray, gray in the mind, and gray's, he's kind of indecisive.

01:54:43.260 He's pagan, pre-Christian, pre-Revelation philosophy, Aristotle, for instance.

01:54:49.520 When he falls in the mines of Moria, which are the halls of academia, it's under Saruman's control.

01:54:54.940 He falls with the spirit of pride of academia.

01:54:58.380 That is the Balrog. 1.00

01:54:59.660 Balrog is the spirits of pride. 0.96

01:55:01.460 He falls down into the body, and he's subjected to Darwinism.

01:55:04.960 Durin is Darwin.

01:55:06.460 Subjected to Durin, trying to prove that, hey, you're just an animal.

01:55:11.480 And then he defeats the Balrog, comes back on the wings of the angels, not like in the movie. 1.00

01:55:15.900 He comes back on the wings of the eagles.

01:55:17.260 And the eagles serve manway, which is the power of sight, and they are the good things that we read.

01:55:22.040 And he's saved by the good reading.

01:55:23.640 He comes back a full to mystic theologian, Gandalf the white, and he's no longer indecisive.

01:55:28.260 He knows exactly what he has to do.

01:55:30.120 So he takes control of the great spirit of decisiveness, which is shadow facts.

01:55:34.740 When they pick up the Eye of Sauron, right?

01:55:39.920 The stone, the seer stone?

01:55:42.260 That was a palantir.

01:55:45.000 That was a palantir.

01:55:45.840 That was one of the seeing stones, but that wasn't the Eye.

01:55:48.400 The Eye of Sauron, he had corrupted because his Nazgul had gained that. 1.00

01:55:53.360 They had taken that earlier in the Third Age.

01:55:56.080 And the other one, one of them, was in the Tower of Beradur, which, by the way, is the microchip.

01:56:02.980 The Tower of Beradur is the microchip.

01:56:05.080 And that's the tower where Gandalf, at one point, is trapped on, right?

01:56:09.680 At the top?

01:56:10.280 Well, no, no, no.

01:56:12.660 That's actually the blackened ivory tower.

01:56:14.640 That's Isengard. 1.00

01:56:15.760 That's where Saruman is.

01:56:17.580 Okay.

01:56:17.900 Okay, Saruman, yeah.

01:56:19.160 So the two towers are the Tower of Corrupted Academia and the Tower of Beradur, which is the chip in the brain.

01:56:28.000 And Mordor is, Glenn, this is so fascinating.

01:56:31.420 It's all laid out according to the old Victorian pseudoscience called phrenology.

01:56:36.620 That's the study of the head, right?

01:56:38.980 Right, right.

01:56:39.900 All these areas were representative of this and that.

01:56:43.360 Well, Mordor is in the cerebellum, the back here, the reptile brain, as it's called.

01:56:50.380 And that's the area of all crime and hate and fear and all that.

01:56:53.840 And that's where Mordor is, and that's where the microchip is.

01:56:56.460 So at this point in Arda's development, which is the history of all of Christendom, it's been microchipped and it's become transhuman.

01:57:05.720 And what happens is the will and the intellect, Tom and Goldberry, decide they're going to break out and they're going to change their evil ways.

01:57:13.360 And they're going to do away with Gollum, this insatiable lust for pornography and all these things that they can get through the one ring, through the computer, through digital technology.

01:57:22.820 And they decide to call out of the Shire the cardinal virtues and send them on a quest with philosophical wisdom and high reason. 0.80

01:57:30.940 Okay.

01:57:31.180 And fallen high reason, which is Boromir, but still salvageable.

01:57:36.820 And they send them on a quest to destroy the ring.

01:57:39.040 And that's the essence of the quest to destroy the ring.

01:57:43.400 And they have to destroy the language of the machine because at the basis of every digital technology, whether it's the surveillance state, digital money, virtual reality, self-driving cars, all these things at the heart of that, none of this functions without the one ring, ones and zeros.

01:58:00.000 This is, I mean, if, if your theory is correct, this puts him, wait, I mean, decades ahead, decades ahead.

01:58:12.080 Absolutely.

01:58:13.000 Absolutely.

01:58:14.060 But like I said, his training with Alan Turing, he, Tolkien was a huge skeptic of machinery because he always knew that it was about dominance.

01:58:21.000 Like he wrote in a letter to his son, Christopher, in World War II, he said, the only winner in any war is the machine.

01:58:29.500 And, and we create, you know, war advances the machine, not to our benefit all the time.

01:58:35.080 I mean, every, every day, every war advances the, I'm sorry, advances the machine.

01:58:40.400 And so Tolkien was a, was a great scholar.

01:58:43.080 He was very much in touch.

01:58:44.280 He was a, he was a traditional Catholic as I am, a traditional Catholic, not this modernism crap that we're seeing coming out of the Vatican now, now that the modernists have taken it. 0.91

01:58:54.580 Okay. 0.65

01:58:55.340 He was a traditional Catholic and he, and he, he, he saw this coming very much.

01:59:01.760 So with, with, and this is fascinating, with the reunion of faith and reason now comes the rebirth of the white tree.

01:59:08.460 And the white tree of Gondor is neglected.

01:59:10.700 It cannot be tended.

01:59:12.540 And Glenn, it is the traditional Latin mass.

01:59:15.480 That's what it is.

01:59:16.480 So when faith and reason comes back together, Christendom is healed.

01:59:20.000 We return to the traditional Latin mass, the mass that the FBI is all over and calling us, you know, terrorists and, and whatnot.

01:59:28.800 And it's the original Christian faith.

01:59:30.620 It's an extension of, it's the perpetuation of Christ's sacrifice on the cross where he gives us his real body and blood, not a symbol, the real thing.

01:59:39.220 And this is what Tolkien is telling us.

01:59:40.820 So he is, what is the way out that he is?

01:59:46.000 I mean, in today's language, what, what is Tolkien saying is a, because he's predicting transhumanism, the, the merging of man and machine AI.

01:59:55.540 We are, we are on the doorstep of that.

01:59:59.300 What in real terms is his way out?

02:00:03.040 Well, we have to cultivate virtue and we have to do away with pornography and pornography is represented in Tolkien's mythology.

02:00:11.700 That is Shelob. 1.00

02:00:13.120 The spider.

02:00:13.620 The spider. 0.95

02:00:15.180 That's Shelob's lair is pornography. 1.00

02:00:17.480 Gollum leads them there because that's his favorite place to dwell with the ring is in pornography. 0.99

02:00:21.900 He can slake his lust like crazy there.

02:00:25.100 Just like that's why pornography is so huge in the digital realm.

02:00:28.640 It's so easy.

02:00:29.440 And it, uh, he's telling us, and, but this is fascinating.

02:00:33.800 We have to, we have to cultivate our, the cardinal virtues, temperance, fortitude, prudence, and justice.

02:00:38.860 And we have, Christendom has to be reunited and we have to do away.

02:00:45.040 We cannot subject ourselves to modern music, which is brain deadening, mind numbing to modern entertainment, which is just as brain dead and mind numbing.

02:00:55.280 We have to read.

02:00:56.860 We have to be competent.

02:00:58.540 We have to learn and try to understand human beings are, are the, the combination of the joining of the animal realm and the angelic realm.

02:01:07.460 And we've been forced largely by, uh, Bacon and Descartes and then Darwin forced into the strictly animal realm, which is just a disaster for the human intellect.

02:01:19.380 And we really have to reestablish our ability to ascend, transcend the material realm.

02:01:26.040 And when we can do that, we can do that through prayer and through, through reading and through, uh, the content, the contemplation of the higher purposes of our being.

02:01:35.420 We transcend this realm and we get out of the realm of the machine because the machine owns this realm.

02:01:41.700 And if we are stuck in this realm, we become food for the machine.

02:01:45.840 And the machine is devouring millions.

02:01:48.860 I'd say billions of souls at this point.

02:01:51.800 And we have to pull away.

02:01:53.000 We have to come, we have to turn around.

02:01:54.720 We have to destroy the machine and return to our humanity and do not enter the virtual realm.

02:01:59.480 And do not get your children virtual glasses or, or goggles.

02:02:03.800 That's a come direct competitor to God's natural creation.

02:02:07.540 And where we put our attention is where we put our souls and our hearts.

02:02:12.120 Paul.

02:02:12.300 So we have to.

02:02:13.240 Go ahead.

02:02:13.660 Finish, finish up.

02:02:15.300 God's natural created world.

02:02:17.640 We really do and cultivate our humanity and become competent.

02:02:20.900 We have to take responsibility for our health and responsibility for our own education.

02:02:25.180 Paul, I think you are, uh, I think you're fascinating.

02:02:28.760 And the book is called Mount Doom.

02:02:31.120 Uh, I highly recommend I, I, you know, Tolkien was way ahead of his time and, uh, I've always

02:02:39.460 known that there's deep, deep meaning, but I haven't been able to figure it out.

02:02:43.460 And I think you have cracked the code.

02:02:44.980 Uh, you can find this in the book, Mount Doom, uh, by Paul list.

02:02:50.300 Thank you so much, Paul.

02:02:51.380 I appreciate it.

02:02:52.640 Thank you for having me, Glenn.

02:02:53.760 And it was a great privilege and an honor.

02:02:55.360 Great.

02:02:55.540 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 10, 2025

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