In this episode of The Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck talks about the importance of standing your ground in the face of adversity, and how you need to do the same in order to stand your ground when times get dire.
00:47:48.340So, I first want to share with you some of our findings that we found on Mark Bray.
00:47:57.180His pro-political violence rhetoric is something that should not be tolerated, especially on campuses.
00:48:04.940And that's what we found in his Antifa, the Anti-Fascist Handbook.
00:48:09.300They go over strategies like doxing to create mental burdens.
00:48:15.140They call anyone who basically opposes Antifa as fascists, like Donald Trump and Bill O'Reilly.
00:48:22.880So, it's really concerning to see that.
00:48:25.900And I also want to mention that his handbook in the introduction, he states that nearly 50% of the author proceeds from the book would go to the Legal International Antifa Defense Fund,
00:48:43.640which has notably provided legal support to 10 suspected Antifa members who were charged with terrorism and attempted murder on an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas, on July 4, 2025.
00:49:01.220So, you know, this guy has serious problems.
00:49:05.540His rhetoric is quite concerning for conservative students on campus.
00:49:13.640I believe he has been teaching around near 2017.
00:49:20.680I believe that's when he joined Rutgers University after previously being fired from Dartmouth for his rhetoric that he was teaching in class, which is political violence.
00:50:16.920You know, just him being dismissed from Dartmouth, you know, for advocating for political violence, you know, being an author of his book, you know, Antifa, the anti-fascist handbook.
00:50:26.780You know, he is continuously lied to the media about his involvement in Antifa.
00:50:31.480You know, back in 2017, he was on a podcast called The Final Straw, where he blatantly admits to being a member of a Black Rose anarchist group.
00:50:41.760You know, he was if you if you scroll down on his X account back in 2017, he is directly involved with the G20 riots that were in Germany back in 2017.
00:50:56.160So, you know, when we found out about, you know, Dr. Antifa, we knew we had to, you know, do things, you know, do things the right way and start a petition for our university to try and draw attention to this matter.
00:51:10.480And we also want to make clear as well, you know, we don't condone any of the violence that's been being sent to Mark Bray.
00:51:18.960We condemn any alleged death threats that have been sent to Mark Bray.
00:51:23.420You know, obviously, we're not big fans of this professor, but we don't want to see him threatened.
00:51:29.140It's very sad to see that, you know, he does feel threatened by violence, and we don't want to see that.
00:51:36.740There's nothing more harmful than violence.
00:51:39.920And if our side engages in violence, you have greatly hurt the republic and greatly hurt our cause.
00:51:46.920And beyond that, it's just out and out wrong.
00:51:50.520How do the students now feel, besides, you know, conservatives, how do they feel about him on campus?
00:51:59.340Well, we, well, you know, I'll speak first and then Megan could go.
00:52:07.260But, you know, we have not received that great of a response from students on campus.
00:52:14.140I've personally been doxxed by unhinged left-wing activists on Reddit.
00:52:19.340And both Megan and I have received a multitude of threatening messages online.
00:52:24.400You know, and I think that the media has a big part to play in all of this.
00:52:31.740You know, they've, as I mentioned earlier, they keep spreading this misinformation about Mark Bray, that he isn't involved with Antifa.
00:52:40.240Meanwhile, you know, like I mentioned, he's on podcasts where he admits to being a part of the Black Rose.
00:52:46.160And if you scroll down on his X, you see that he's been part of the G2 riots in Germany.
00:52:51.380So it's, you know, all this misinformation is being spread.
00:52:55.880And, you know, we're just students who created a petition.
00:52:58.820We don't want violence, you know, threats or violence whatsoever to him.
00:53:03.040And we've been labeled as, you know, the scapegoats in all of this.
00:53:07.560So, Megan, what is, what's the atmosphere for conservatives like at Rutgers?
00:53:13.180The atmosphere, the best way I can say it, it's like stepping, you have to very, you have to tread carefully whenever you're speaking.
00:53:24.720Whenever you have a conservative opinion that really doesn't align with the majority of the leftists at Rutgers, it's, you have to tread.
00:53:34.460And as a conservative myself, I've been attacked in high school and in college now for my opinions, especially with me wanting Mark Bray to get fired.
00:53:48.620So, yeah, you really have to tread carefully when you're speaking at a campus like this.
00:53:55.420Megan, let me stay with you for just a second.
00:53:58.400How has the university reacted to what you guys are doing?
00:54:01.600The university has not directly responded to us.
00:54:08.040They have not expressed concern for Mark Bray's alignment with Antifa, which is, it's concerning.
00:54:16.900I feel disappointed with the university that they haven't taken appropriate action, like terminating their professional relationship with Mark Bray.
00:54:25.220So, I feel, I feel concerned that he's going to be continuing to teach, which he already is.
00:54:31.340I mean, he has his trip to Spain to flee from the quote-unquote death threats that he's been receiving.
00:55:51.200You know, Megan and I have been trying to spread the petition around online, um, to try and draw as much attention as possible to hopefully get, um, Rutgers to comment on it.
00:56:01.420Um, but, you know, we're hoping to just kind of spread this around, you know, keep, um, finding out more about Mark Bray, and hopefully we'll be able to get the university's attention.
00:56:40.340Change.org is, um, the, where the petition is at.
00:56:45.860And I, I just, um, when I search for it.
00:56:48.220Also, you know, I, I posted it as well on my X account.
00:56:51.940It's Ava J Kwan, if you want to go and find a link to it.
00:56:55.700And, um, you know, we also just want to preface as well that, you know, our petition has nothing to do with the death threats that, you know, he's received.
00:57:05.220Um, and, you know, we don't want to see any violence towards him whatsoever.
00:57:10.300Would you say strongly condemn anyone who says that and they're not part of your movement?
00:57:17.840You know, and I think, you know, after, you know, seeing the reaction from many of the students and, you know, just random left-wing activists online, what I've really taken away is that, you know, language today is just used far too carelessly.
00:57:33.580You know, our words have immense power.
00:57:36.120You know, so when we're labeled as Hitler or fascist, you know, it's not just an insult to us, but it's implying that, you know, someone's very existence is evil.
00:57:48.300You know, if someone, you know, came to you on the street and was like, if you had the chance to kill Hitler, would you?
00:57:54.280I think a lot of people would say yes.
00:57:56.540So when you're calling someone Hitler, you're calling someone fascist, you know, you're basically saying that this person is so irredeemable and so wicked that the world would be better off without them.
00:58:06.300And that kind of language and rhetoric is so dangerous because it doesn't invite dialogue.
00:58:11.200It shuts down any option of a conversation.
00:58:14.580And, you know, people who resort to this kind of rhetoric aren't interested in any understanding or reconciliation.
00:58:23.340And, you know, this kind of language is the same kind of language that led to Charlie Kirk's assassination about a month ago.
00:58:29.200It's the same rhetoric that's now being used against us as a turning point.
00:58:32.700And it's the same ideology that Dr. Antifa is promoting in his classroom on the New Jersey taxpayer dime.
00:58:41.120And, you know, our petition, we wanted to do things the right way.
00:58:45.820We wanted to enact peaceful change at our university.
00:58:48.520We don't want to see anyone threatened.
00:58:50.880We don't want to see any death threats going around to anyone.
01:04:09.900Looks like it's going through, which is amazing.
01:04:13.400Yeah, Hamas still needs to deliver hostages, which is key.
01:04:18.000I thought Coleman Hughes had an interesting point.
01:04:21.960You know, I know you're familiar with him, but he's brilliant, a brilliant guy.
01:04:26.100But he said that they're seeing in coverage of this in Israel, pure joy is in the air, is how Israeli journalist is describing the mood in Israel right now.
01:04:37.320He asked the question, though, but how could that be?
01:04:40.800If the Israelis want, above all, genocide and ethnic cleansing, then why would they celebrate a deal that ends the war with no one's ethnic cleansing and 97% of Gazans alive?
01:04:51.540Pure joy is not what you feel when your deepest ambitions have just been thwarted.
01:04:55.200It's almost as if the goal of the war was really to get the hostages back and oust Hamas.
01:05:01.200It's almost as if Israelis are motivated by a deep, dark desire to live in peace with their neighbors.
01:05:47.800You know, maybe it's because I know where my money is going and I'm not funding every woke cause under the sun, including Planned Parenthood, like you do with Verizon.
01:05:58.240Then a week later, that same friend texts you from their big corporate provider.
01:10:06.560There's clear biological differences between girls and boys, and you could just see by everything.
01:10:14.040And lots of, there was a lot of just roughness on the court and pushing girls down and nothing that a normal girl on my team or the other team would have really been able to do.
01:10:31.880So, very harsh and just, it was a clear difference.
01:10:39.060So, you go and say, I'm going to sit this game out or I can't play because I don't feel safe on the court, correct?
01:11:07.300There's not, nothing's going to happen.
01:11:10.220And you're just looking for attention.
01:11:12.440Every sort of thing that you could hear from people.
01:11:17.300But it was only until I got upset after seeing him hurt girls on my team and also take away from my ability to play because I feared for my own safety that people really started having issues.
01:11:33.620And what, when you got upset, what happened?
01:11:35.800So, I went and tried to talk to the principal of Tumwater, Zach Suderman, and I told him this is wrong.
01:11:46.380Why are you not protecting me and my right to play in my own sport?
01:11:51.340And why are you not putting a stop to this?
01:12:49.180There is, in no way am I feeling like I'm supported.
01:12:53.000I have had, when I was 15 years old, the 18-year-old man was in my own locker room.
01:12:59.260That is quite the opposite of safe and supported that I should be able to feel.
01:13:04.600There's a man or boy in the girl's locker room right now at Tumwater High School that they're still doing nothing about telling girls that they can go somewhere else to change if they feel uncomfortable.
01:13:15.220They only care about a certain protected class, and it clearly is not the girls who just want their own privacy and safety.
01:13:23.760So, now a lawsuit has been lodged against you.
01:13:28.420The Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism filed a civil rights complaint to the Department of Education.
01:13:48.400I was investigated, however, by the WIAA and Tumwater School District for harassment and bullying for, quote-unquote, misgendering the man, saying that he was a man who was apparently bullying and harassment, and that is what happened.
01:14:05.100But myself and my family was the one who filed the complaint.
01:14:12.080Well, I'm glad, because I was having a hard time understanding how our DOJ was not standing up for your civil rights on this, especially since, you know, the president has made it very clear.
01:14:28.960Can you give me any update on where this stands and where this is headed?
01:14:32.420So, we are still waiting to hear back.
01:14:35.680We filed it a little bit ago, and still waiting for news.
01:14:40.200We have hope that it'll be in our favor, and I am very much looking forward to seeing where it can take us, and yeah, I am hoping that it'll be all good.
01:14:55.460Frances, I have to tell you, you give me an awful lot of hope.
01:15:01.760I think we treat our children as little kids.
01:15:10.640Back in the old days, back in the old days, I mean, older than me, you know, our founders were in their 20s and 30s.
01:15:18.840You know, Thomas Jefferson, I think, was 30.
01:15:21.460They were expected to do more, and we just say, oh, your childhood, your childhood.
01:15:28.400Yeah, there is something about keeping childhood sacred and keeping childhood as safe as possible, but you are a great example of what 16-year-olds should be like.
01:15:39.700You should know what your rights are, what your responsibilities are, why you believe certain things that you do, if you're passionate about them.
01:15:49.000Obviously, you're passionate about this, and make the case.
01:15:53.980You give me an awful lot of hope, Frances.
01:20:16.300There are things that are happening in the country that is really good.
01:20:19.960Now, we all have our little rituals that make us feel safe.
01:20:22.820Some people check that the door is locked four times.
01:20:25.160Some people leave their porch light on all night.
01:20:27.280My personal favorite is the good dog plan, because nothing says security like a 12-year-old golden retriever who sleeps through the doorbell.
01:20:34.240Others rely on technology that actually doesn't do anything, the camera that's not connected, the doorbell that doesn't record anything, but the UPS guy waving, or the alarm system that still has the dial-up modem in it somewhere.
01:20:46.680We convince ourselves it's fine, because we haven't been robbed yet.
01:20:51.940The truth is, most of us confuse feeling safe with being safe, and that's where simply safe comes in.
01:20:57.860It's actual working security, the kind that doesn't rely on habits, luck, or your dog's work ethic.
01:21:05.920Sensors, cameras, professional monitoring that is simple to install, easy to use, and always on duty, because peace of mind isn't supposed to be an illusion.
01:22:26.940The grand jury found her, you know, had an indictment and found her prosecutable.
01:22:33.420Um, and, uh, I want to make sure that we play by the rules, but I have to tell you, um, Donald Trump and his family are not going to be in trouble next time because he won't be able to run again.
01:22:46.700Um, but I will tell you all of the people in the cabinet, all of the people, Pam Bondi and all these people, uh, they are, they better hold the line and do exactly the right thing every step of the way.
01:23:00.620I don't think that's going to protect them.
01:23:03.320Uh, if you think weaponization has happened in the past or is even happening now, wait, if the Democrats take control and they will at some point, they will hopefully later, you know, over sooner, but, uh, they will.
01:23:20.540I think that, I mean, I don't want to go too far here, but I think there's a chance they might try to put, you know, someone like the president into prison and they, maybe some of their donors might even try to kill the president.
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01:29:26.760I've been waiting for this conversation.
01:29:28.980As I think your theories are, you know, I haven't done my own homework on this, so I don't know if they're correct or not.
01:29:37.140But I think they are absolutely intriguing, and especially in a world that is having the problems that we're having, and in a world where everybody's saying, no, Tolkien didn't mean any of that.
01:29:57.780I have from a scholastic point of view, which almost nobody has anymore.
01:30:02.880Scholasticism is the original philosophy of Christendom, and it was pushed aside and negated and, frankly, defamed by Francis Bacon in the early 16th century.
01:30:20.900And it fell out of favor for all the abuses and the novelties of the Enlightenment, and we fell heavily under the influence of Descartes.
01:30:32.100So we have a very Cartesian education system now, so everybody's deeply, that goes through the whole academic process, they're deeply infected with the Cartesian Baconian mindset.
01:30:45.180So they can't see, and they don't even pay any attention to Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle.
01:30:51.540I will tell you, I think it is so fascinating, because I think you're right on this, that when you see people, if you are college educated, you're not seeing so many times, even things like how the economy actually works.
01:31:10.180You're just seeing systems, you're being taught what to think, not how to think, and so you miss everything that's really important.
01:31:20.020Yeah, really, I honestly don't understand how anybody can function well in the world without having studied Aristotle's basic works, treatises on logic, and almost nobody does.
01:31:31.960And modern philosophy classes are just a disaster, and philosophy has been, we don't have any real philosophers anymore, or very few.
01:31:41.480And, you know, most of the people who actually study the Tolkien mythology seriously as a serious work, because it is a very, very deadly serious work,
01:31:50.020They come at it from this Cartesian viewpoint and perspective, and now it's heavily, heavily contaminated with John Dewey, who actually plays a prominent role in the mythology in Tolkien's work.
01:32:07.320He's actually, the character is Saruman, who's taken over academia.
01:32:10.700And, you know, people, if people really want to understand why our state of our education is in such a mess and so infested with Marxism, they have to work, they have to read the works of John Dewey.
01:32:22.940He really, really, he was a big Marxist, he was a real fan of the industrial education and machinery, and he had taken over, he was a second, he's right from my hometown here in Burlington, Vermont.
01:32:35.340And, you know, the local university darn near apotheosized him, you know, and they, you know, they think he's great, but he's really, he was really a disaster.
01:32:44.340He became president of the teachers' college at Columbia University, where he spread his errors all over the world, the Western world, through his education of future teachers.
01:32:56.860And that's where we are, and I'd like to hear his name come up in a lot of these conversations.
01:33:02.180For instance, I was listening earlier to you, the girl from, the girls from, was it Rutgers?
01:33:09.220Yeah, yeah, yeah, they, you know, go back, go back and read the works of John Dewey and really understand where we are and how we got here.
01:33:17.500Tolkien, he was a contemporary of Tolkien, and Tolkien knew very well who he was, he was very popular, and they were both educators.
01:33:24.420Tolkien was a, was a professor of English literature at Oxford University, and he loved teaching, so he was, he paid attention.
01:33:30.460These ideas, Tolkien's mythology is infused with the most powerful ideas, most potent ideas of all.
01:33:39.500So before I get too carried away, I'll let you go ahead and ask some questions.
01:33:42.240Okay, so I want to get to what you believe Tolkien was saying about AI and his relationship with Alan Turing, et cetera, et cetera.
01:33:50.440But can we start, let's, let's start with just some of the characters that are in, in Tolkien.
01:33:58.800So let's, let's, let's start with, you know, the, the hobbits and the elves.
01:34:11.300So the word habit is used nine times in the whole Lord of the Rings mythology.
01:34:15.220And lo and behold, it's used eight times in one chapter.
01:34:18.520And that one chapter is the prologue called Concerning Hobbits.
01:34:22.460And so there, there are the habits in the, Arda, and then it's difficult to explain this to people who aren't familiar with the Silmarillion, which is the back history that Tolkien worked diligently on after the publication of the Lord of the Rings.
01:34:36.340And he had to totally switch it around to make it work and be in complete unison and harmony with what he had created in the Lord of the Rings.
01:34:47.420And the four hobbits that we're most familiar with in the Lord of the Rings, Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Mary are the highest of the virtues and virtues are habits.
01:35:04.100They're the interior cardinal virtues and the exterior cardinal virtues who have to serve the interior and grow are Pippin, Prudence, and Mary, Justice.
01:35:16.980And that's why he calls Frodo master, not because Frodo has the ring, but because temperance is the only thing that can master in temperance.
01:35:25.480They're, that's why they're so, they're so similar and why, and why Frodo has some sympathy for Gollum because they're, they're the, they're the opposite ends of the spectrum, but they're very much, they have a lot in common.
01:35:37.360So Frodo is the only one that can carry the ring because temperance moderates our sensual desires for pleasure.
01:35:43.700And the one ring, I'll just get this out of the way right, right now is binary code.
01:35:51.360So the war here, there's several conflicts going on in the whole mythology.
01:35:55.520And the first, well, not the first, but prominent among them is the war of language.
01:36:00.600Go figure, because Tolkien was a philologist, world's leading philologist, the science of, of language.
01:36:06.680So what's at war is what Arda, the being in which, within which middle earth is part of it, middle earth is the material brain across the sea is a man, the undying realm.
01:36:22.360This is scholastic philosophy, which nobody, or scholastic psychology, which has now been replaced by modern union type, you know, states of consciousness and this stuff.
01:37:08.680Arda, the being that it's about, it's not about this world.
01:37:11.940It's about a representative person that represents all of Christendom throughout its history.
01:37:17.920Okay, and, and, and the, and art is made up of music.
01:37:22.300And against the language of music, which is, which mathematically and, and linguistically is expressed through the harmonic overtone series.
01:37:46.720Show me in the, you know, Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit or whatever, where, where you are, where you are, where he was making the point about music and the machine.
01:37:59.640Well, I mean, it's all in my book, but I mean, the, the, the point about, about music, the music is, is that if you, if you've ever read the I knew Linda leg, which is, have you, are you familiar with the
01:38:11.160It's the first chapter in the Silmarillion, the song of the Ainur, and it's just beautiful.
01:38:15.320I think it's one of the most beautiful writings in all of English literature.
01:38:21.160And it's about the creation and the, the Tolkien's whole mythology, he takes the, the Genesis story of the creation of all creation, and he, any, and he adopts it to tell the story about the, the, the conception and creation of an individual soul, a person.
01:38:40.480And within Arda is Middle Earth, and the Middle Earth is the material brain.
01:38:44.660And, and so, also, you've got, Arda is made up of music, and if we think about it, everything is made up of, you know, relies on the electromagnetic, the forces that hold everything together and create, generate everything else, like gravity and everything else.
01:39:15.480Finish, finish up, and I have another question.
01:39:17.000Yeah, so, so we've got the, the, the, the language we go, to go back to the, to the, the, the, the conflict between these two, and to try to make an example.
01:39:27.520The ring itself is, is destroying the music.
01:39:31.780And, and, and the music is the fundamental basis upon which Arda exists.
01:39:38.820And the ring itself is like a, like a dissolving agent that's actually tearing it apart and dissolving it and, and destroying it and darkening, darkening our upper intellect, destroying our imagination, sucking us into pornography, sucking us into the virtual realm.
01:40:00.660And, and, and leading us quite literally, this is a spiritual conflict.
01:40:28.940He is inseparable from the Tower of Baradun.
01:40:32.360That's why you never see him or know much about his physical form in the Third Age.
01:40:37.480The first form, you're familiar, and they show this pretty well in the movies.
01:40:40.740We could get into the problems with the movies because they were very well done, but they were also very deceptive.
01:40:45.620They left way too much out and changed a bunch of stuff because they didn't know what it was about.
01:40:49.540But the first, you remember that opening scene where Sauron comes out and faces down the, the last alliance.
01:40:54.580He's swinging his big mace, and that was beautifully done.
01:40:57.600But that version of Sauron is the child computer, and that's right out of Alan Turing's 1950 paper on computing machinery and intelligence, where he changes the nature of intelligence to make it imitation.
01:41:12.300And he actually sets up the imitation game, and that's what we're dealing with right now.
01:42:08.880That's a 1936 paper on computable numbers with an application to the skydance problem, where Alan Turing literally invents the computer on paper.
01:42:17.080Okay, and then in the 1950 paper, where Computing Machinery and Intelligence, where he proposes the imitation game, and he also talks about the idea, which was very keen to him, the idea of a machine being able to harbor a human soul.
01:42:37.980And that's the essence of their deception of transhumanism.
01:42:41.160And then the final paper, which is a little more obscure, was the chemical basis of morphogenesis, where he talks about rings, and he talks about morphogenic—he uses a ring of cells to actually define and show mathematically, through all the technology and knowledge that they even had at the time in 1952,
01:43:02.920that we could actually predict how a homogeneous substance in a state of unstable equilibrium, with the right harmonic disturbance, we could predict how it would grow and develop.
01:43:17.940And AI, or actual technology these days, are using science—or computer science is using that same—those same mathematics from 1952, for the computer AI to develop its own neural network, its own synthetics.
01:43:33.920Okay, so you are—so let me stop here for a second.
01:43:59.720What was his thought about all of this?
01:44:03.100And then we can come back into the story, if you'll do that for me in 60 seconds.
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01:45:21.660Okay, so for people who don't know, Alan Turing is the guy who the movie Imitation Game was all about.
01:45:38.880He's the guy who developed the Turing test.
01:45:41.140How do you know if it's AI and will it ever be able to get to the place to where you think it's human?
01:45:49.380And AI is blown past, if I'm not mistaken, blown past the Turing test long ago.
01:45:54.220And this is why we're having a hard time with people going, I'm having a relationship with it because they're really deeply confused.
01:46:06.160In a minute, can you tell me, did they know each other and how did they know each other?
01:46:12.020Well, what a lot of people don't realize is that in 1939, before World War II in England, knew that Hitler was coming.
01:46:22.460And they decided to put together a group of their top intellectuals, 50 intellectuals, to actually participate in what was called the Government Code in Cypher School.
01:46:33.320And their mission was to crack the Enigma Code.
01:46:36.680And this is part, this is the substance of the movie.
01:56:39.900All these areas were representative of this and that.
01:56:43.360Well, Mordor is in the cerebellum, the back here, the reptile brain, as it's called.
01:56:50.380And that's the area of all crime and hate and fear and all that.
01:56:53.840And that's where Mordor is, and that's where the microchip is.
01:56:56.460So at this point in Arda's development, which is the history of all of Christendom, it's been microchipped and it's become transhuman.
01:57:05.720And what happens is the will and the intellect, Tom and Goldberry, decide they're going to break out and they're going to change their evil ways.
01:57:13.360And they're going to do away with Gollum, this insatiable lust for pornography and all these things that they can get through the one ring, through the computer, through digital technology.
01:57:22.820And they decide to call out of the Shire the cardinal virtues and send them on a quest with philosophical wisdom and high reason.
01:57:31.180And fallen high reason, which is Boromir, but still salvageable.
01:57:36.820And they send them on a quest to destroy the ring.
01:57:39.040And that's the essence of the quest to destroy the ring.
01:57:43.400And they have to destroy the language of the machine because at the basis of every digital technology, whether it's the surveillance state, digital money, virtual reality, self-driving cars, all these things at the heart of that, none of this functions without the one ring, ones and zeros.
01:58:00.000This is, I mean, if, if your theory is correct, this puts him, wait, I mean, decades ahead, decades ahead.
01:58:14.060But like I said, his training with Alan Turing, he, Tolkien was a huge skeptic of machinery because he always knew that it was about dominance.
01:58:21.000Like he wrote in a letter to his son, Christopher, in World War II, he said, the only winner in any war is the machine.
01:58:29.500And, and we create, you know, war advances the machine, not to our benefit all the time.
01:58:35.080I mean, every, every day, every war advances the, I'm sorry, advances the machine.
01:58:40.400And so Tolkien was a, was a great scholar.
01:58:44.280He was a, he was a traditional Catholic as I am, a traditional Catholic, not this modernism crap that we're seeing coming out of the Vatican now, now that the modernists have taken it.
01:59:16.480So when faith and reason comes back together, Christendom is healed.
01:59:20.000We return to the traditional Latin mass, the mass that the FBI is all over and calling us, you know, terrorists and, and whatnot.
01:59:28.800And it's the original Christian faith.
01:59:30.620It's an extension of, it's the perpetuation of Christ's sacrifice on the cross where he gives us his real body and blood, not a symbol, the real thing.
01:59:39.220And this is what Tolkien is telling us.
01:59:40.820So he is, what is the way out that he is?
01:59:46.000I mean, in today's language, what, what is Tolkien saying is a, because he's predicting transhumanism, the, the merging of man and machine AI.
01:59:55.540We are, we are on the doorstep of that.
02:00:29.440And it, uh, he's telling us, and, but this is fascinating.
02:00:33.800We have to, we have to cultivate our, the cardinal virtues, temperance, fortitude, prudence, and justice.
02:00:38.860And we have, Christendom has to be reunited and we have to do away.
02:00:45.040We cannot subject ourselves to modern music, which is brain deadening, mind numbing to modern entertainment, which is just as brain dead and mind numbing.
02:00:58.540We have to learn and try to understand human beings are, are the, the combination of the joining of the animal realm and the angelic realm.
02:01:07.460And we've been forced largely by, uh, Bacon and Descartes and then Darwin forced into the strictly animal realm, which is just a disaster for the human intellect.
02:01:19.380And we really have to reestablish our ability to ascend, transcend the material realm.
02:01:26.040And when we can do that, we can do that through prayer and through, through reading and through, uh, the content, the contemplation of the higher purposes of our being.
02:01:35.420We transcend this realm and we get out of the realm of the machine because the machine owns this realm.
02:01:41.700And if we are stuck in this realm, we become food for the machine.
02:01:45.840And the machine is devouring millions.
02:01:48.860I'd say billions of souls at this point.