The Glenn Beck Program - Gordon Sondland： The Playoffs of Impeachment Hearings

00:00:00.000 hey um could sarah in the control room could we play the gma trump denying bribery audio here real

00:00:07.860 quick i want you to listen to this because we're getting ready our poll also shows that 21 percent

00:00:13.460 of americans have made up their minds after the first week of testimony that suggests that they

00:00:18.720 were already locked in or that really the testimony they've heard is enough but that's a big percentage

00:00:24.080 who still have to make up their minds and 70 percent saying the president did something wrong

00:00:28.240 the president keeps saying the call was perfect he did nothing wrong our polls suggest that may go

00:00:32.840 down in history along with i did not have sex with that woman as a very ineffective presidential

00:00:37.480 defense okay but you'll notice i i tend to agree with that tend to agree with that it'll go down

00:00:43.160 like that but that didn't take him out of office did it it's going to be exactly the same way yeah

00:00:51.600 that didn't take him out of office this this today is the day to really watch the impeachment

00:00:59.200 hearings today in probably the next half hour you're going to uh see testimony that will swing

00:01:06.700 it one way or another it's not going to be a knockout punch for donald trump if this guy changes

00:01:11.860 his testimony uh however it won't be good but if he doesn't if he sticks to his testimony

00:01:17.740 i think the democrats are pretty done they got nothing

00:01:21.420 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment today is the super bowl of impeachment hearings

00:01:44.720 today is the day that you have to pay attention the ambassador from europe sondland is uh now coming

00:01:52.980 into the capital he is uh going to be testifying in about a half hour or so we have his opening

00:02:00.280 statement already if he changes his testimony which some say he's going to if he changes his testimony

00:02:08.980 it could mean trouble for donald trump it's not a knockout punch but it's not good because the

00:02:16.040 president took this approach of no quid pro quo which i think is a a losing argument but he has to

00:02:24.960 change his his story if he doesn't change his story and his former testimony if he stays with his former

00:02:32.520 testimony i think it will be a knockout punch for the democrats this is the guy it all boils down

00:02:40.280 really i think to him for the democrats it's ambassador sondland we begin in one minute this is the glenbeck

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00:04:04.680 all right the ambassador who is at the center of the inquiry has just taken a seat in capitol hill

00:04:14.340 in front of the impeachment hearing and the intel committee and they're about to ask him some

00:04:22.660 questions Schiff is just sat down and he's about to open those big huge bug eyes can you imagine if

00:04:29.900 he and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ever had a child the head would be just a giant eye

00:04:36.260 was it a cyclops has one eye is that what i'm thinking of cyclops is a third eye i think right

00:04:44.440 oh cyclops is a third eye what's i'm thinking of like isn't there a there's something on the

00:04:47.780 simpsons that's just one big eye yeah yeah whatever that thing is we could just say the baby would look

00:04:53.140 like mike from monsters inc yes that's there you go perfect mike from monsters inc exactly that is

00:05:00.560 what i'm thinking about this is the this is a big day we've had a lot of i don't know a lot of things

00:05:08.260 that you kind of would expect sondland is the witness this is the playoff game it's i don't is it

00:05:15.440 the super bowl maybe it's the super bowl it's right there uh because the democrats lose this

00:05:20.040 it's a playoff yeah it's a high stakes game and here's the thing sondland is is the one of the big

00:05:25.840 complaints that republicans have is you keep giving us hearsay evidence no one none of these people

00:05:30.300 have even talked to the president well sondland has talked to the president all the things that

00:05:34.420 have come out that have been reported as these huge bombshell negatives for the president

00:05:38.280 have all been through sondland because sondland was the guy that talked to the president

00:05:43.200 he's the guy who was on the phone at this restaurant uh and all the people around apparently

00:05:48.720 overheard it he's the guy that reportedly after the conversation said you know trump doesn't care

00:05:55.060 about ukraine all he cares about is his own personal you know benefit with politics so now sondland has

00:06:01.660 not said he's said any of those things he has revised his testimony a couple times to move it more

00:06:08.420 towards the evidence democrats have presented so he came out and said he's looking for his survival i

00:06:15.840 think one way or another well he's a guy he's not a political kind of guy and he's looking for his

00:06:20.620 survival and if he was lying he realized oh crap i'm in deep trouble yeah and they keep bringing up

00:06:26.100 this you know the the media keeps bringing up the same point which is every time they bring one of

00:06:29.840 these people up this is a public servant this man has been worked for republicans and democrats

00:06:34.080 he's been in the state department for 912 years and they bring this up as you know as positive yeah

00:06:39.780 right sondland is not that guy sondland was a was not a huge trump fan initially but came around to

00:06:46.440 him in a big way and wound up donating uh over a million dollars to his inauguration campaign mega

00:06:52.380 donor as is the case with every administration the mega donors wind up getting ambassadorships and so

00:06:57.900 he's the the guy going to the eu i want to take uh adam schiff because he's talking about the 2016

00:07:05.260 election in ukraine that it was a discredited conspiracy theory that there was anything going on

00:07:10.760 and who the president feared the most was joe biden and sondland's about to say that that's all true

00:07:18.480 in exchange for politically motivated investigations that trump believed would help his re-election campaign

00:07:25.160 the first investigation was of a discredited conspiracy theory that ukraine not russia

00:07:32.260 was responsible for interfering in the 2016 election no adam they can both be responsible

00:07:38.280 second investigation that trump demanded into was into a political rival that he apparently feared most

00:07:44.880 joe biden trump sought to weaken biden and to refute the fact that his own election campaign in 2016

00:07:52.580 had been helped by a russian hacking and dumping operation and russian social media campaign

00:07:57.600 directed by vladimir putin to help trump trump's scheme undermined military and diplomatic support

00:08:05.280 deal with adam schiff's pacing and these things it's really deliberate slow and weird and then when he

00:08:11.480 gets questions from other republicans in the committee he just stares straight forward like he's on some

00:08:16.460 weird drug right you notice that yeah it's really creepy yeah he might be on some weird drug oh okay

00:08:22.480 good yeah a expletive about ukraine you're expecting someone cares about explain him even his mother's

00:08:28.880 like i have no idea he's been creepy weird ever since he was sitting at the dinner table in his high

00:08:34.900 chair with those creepy eyes and that big forehead the president found himself increasingly embroiled in

00:08:40.780 an effort to press the new ukrainian president that deviated sharply from the norm in both terms of

00:08:46.640 policy and process interesting visual for radio listeners they're showing clips of sondland as

00:08:51.800 schiff is reading this sondland does not look um he looks confident he looks confident he looks like

00:08:59.800 this is a joke i know exactly what happened yeah he looks like yeah he's been smiling through this

00:09:04.720 with schiff he's projecting confidence yeah not not a i'm i'm gonna tell it's a big secret and i'm so

00:09:10.020 sorry it's not that vibe at least visually from sondland i want to uh uh stations why don't we take a

00:09:18.400 quick break now get ahead so we don't break up sondland's uh statement let me just quickly tell you

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00:10:30.140 the goal of the white house meeting for president zelinski which the group deemed crucial for u.s ukrainian

00:10:47.340 relations or so as a shift is blabbing here can i give you a preview here of this uh opening statements

00:10:52.420 there's some big pretty big stuff in it um they uh he goes through a series of about six points here at

00:10:59.380 the beginning of it we've acquired the uh testimony here in advance um and what's interesting here

00:11:06.460 probably the big takeaway is his fourth point here um and he's going to go through this whole thing in

00:11:13.180 just a couple of minutes but we're going to give you a preview anyway he says as i testified previously

00:11:17.380 this is when he changed his testimony mr giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a white

00:11:23.280 house visit for president zelinski mr giuliani demanded that ukraine make a public statement

00:11:28.040 announcing investigations of the 2016 dnc server and burisma mr giuliani was expressing the desires of

00:11:35.840 the president of the united states and we knew that these investigations were important to the

00:11:39.720 president so that is as clear a an accusation that's the only one that really has any real

00:11:47.580 firsthand credibility on this and he's saying now again like you can say this is why we've made this

00:11:54.280 point 5 000 times you can't set the hurdle at quid pro quo it's a it's a dumb place to defend

00:12:00.740 because there's tons of people who were all acting like it was a quid pro quo they all seem to have

00:12:06.380 evidence and and uh and at least belief and testimony here that it happened now sondland is

00:12:12.440 as close as we've been able to see from to the president that is saying yes that's what it was

00:12:16.960 again sondland is not just some guy he's a huge supporter of the president um so that is a as a big

00:12:24.140 deal and it points to if nothing else glenn and see if you agree with this that giuliani is going to

00:12:30.960 be the focus of this these these people who are in this situation who are on the borderline like

00:12:36.780 sondland who could get in trouble or could be the hero witness are going to push this not necessarily

00:12:41.680 to the president uh at the end but towards giuliani and if they can get giuliani to take the blame for

00:12:47.540 all of it um it may be a place where uh where the the president and everybody else winds up being

00:12:54.220 comfortable uh now that whether that works or not i don't know it's a big question of whether the

00:12:58.480 american people believe that and i think you know there's some evidence to believe that giuliani

00:13:02.560 does this type of thing you know on his own um but they he says in his testimony that we knew

00:13:09.640 we didn't think giuliani was necessary for this process but we did not think he was acting in bad

00:13:13.700 faith we did not think he was trying to do something illicit we thought it was a legitimate

00:13:20.160 role we just didn't really like that he was involved in our thing so he says finally at all times i was

00:13:27.300 acting in good faith as presidential appointee i followed the directions of the president we worked

00:13:32.900 with mr giuliani because the president directed us to do so we had no desire to set any conditions on

00:13:38.820 the ukrainians indeed my personal view which i shared repeatedly with others was that the white

00:13:43.340 house meeting and security assistant should have proceeded without preconditions of any kind

00:13:47.340 we were working to overcome the problems given the facts as they existed our only interest was to

00:13:51.960 advance long-standing u.s policy and support ukraine's fragile democracy yeah that that's

00:13:57.280 interesting and he in the previous paragraph also talks about the quid pro quo he's mentioning he's

00:14:02.340 saying was a thing was about the meeting not about the money correct when he found out about the money

00:14:08.440 he was the security assistance he was very upset about that um and did not think that that should be

00:14:14.360 any part of the uh policy whatsoever so he is making a distinction there is like yeah we were

00:14:20.240 we were doing a yeah you can come meet with the president but you got to do this investigation

00:14:23.920 thing that did happen according to sondland however he's saying when he found out about the

00:14:30.460 security assistance being withheld he was very angry about it um and uh he said he was adamantly

00:14:36.260 opposed to suspension of any aid uh he tried diligently to ask why the aid was suspended but never

00:14:41.140 received a clear answer what's interesting about that is it means the quid pro quo that he's talking

00:14:48.180 about according to sondland did not have to do with the money he never got an answer as to why the

00:14:55.060 money was suspended that's a big a big distinction here the democrats will certainly push uh on that

00:15:01.580 to see if they can get something else to pop out of it but that is uh that's it looks like that's the

00:15:06.580 direction the sort of uh the window he's trying to fit this into so he says with enthusiasm we return

00:15:12.180 to the white house may 23rd to brief the president from ukraine um the important strategic importance

00:15:18.340 of ukraine and the value of strengthening the relationship with president zelensky uh to support

00:15:23.000 this reformer we asked the white house for two things a working phone call between uh presidents

00:15:27.580 trump and zelensky and second a working oval office visit in our view both were vital to cementing the

00:15:32.940 u.s greek rain relationship demonstrating support for ukraine in the face of russia aggression

00:15:37.720 and advancing broader u.s policy interest unfortunately trump was skeptical he expressed

00:15:44.140 concerns that the ukrainian government was not serious about reform he even mentioned that ukraine

00:15:50.160 tried to take him down in the last election our response to the persistent efforts to change his

00:15:56.900 views president trump directed us talk with rudy we understood talk with rudy meant mr rudy giuliani

00:16:02.900 the president's personal lawyer let me say again we weren't happy with the president's directive

00:16:07.360 to talk with rudy we didn't want to involve mr giuliani i believe then as i do now that the men

00:16:12.720 and women of the state department not the president's personal lawyer should take responsibility for

00:16:16.400 ukrainian matters uh so do i but unless there's something else going on is uh schiff done with this

00:16:24.060 yet is he still blabbing he's still blabbing president zelensky did not clear things up in public

00:16:29.600 the only person this this this impeachment is more about than actual president trump is the schiff

00:16:35.080 like it's all about schiff the schiff show he loves it schiff show with the goo goo googly eyes

00:16:40.120 um i first uh communicated with mr giuliani in early august he emphasized that the uh

00:16:46.840 president wanted a public statement from uh zelensky uh mr giuliani specifically mentioned the 2016

00:16:54.020 election uh burisma and two cop the two things that were important to the president we kept

00:16:59.640 the leadership of the state department nsc informed about our activities we included communication with

00:17:04.220 the director of secretary of state pompeo his counselor uh his executive secretary all within

00:17:11.140 the state department communications with ambassador john bolton fiona hill blah blah blah they all knew

00:17:17.760 what we were doing and why well that doesn't does that look good for them because they all kind of

00:17:25.000 said they didn't know what was going on i mean it is you can tell there is seemingly animosity between

00:17:32.660 sondland again who's not a state department guy although he was he does believe in the state

00:17:37.280 department and had a big role there uh between him and giuliani i mean they they are throwing a lot

00:17:41.900 of this on giuliani and you know while they're saying like there's a big you know segment kind of

00:17:47.640 that you mentioned there where he is saying look we didn't want to do this we didn't want giuliani

00:17:54.220 involved the president though was skeptical of the state department and so we went along with it but

00:17:58.760 we did not want giuliani involved in this now look it's the president's decision whether giuliani's

00:18:03.860 i mean the president's the guy paying him right it's his personal lawyer so he gets to make those

00:18:08.040 decisions and sondland respects them here but is pointing out uh over and over again that he did not

00:18:13.060 like the idea the road it went down so it really looks uh in this testimony so far that you haven't

00:18:22.220 heard yet but we're reading ahead on his opening statement his opening statement at least as far as

00:18:28.760 we have read i'm halfway through page uh the 24 page document and reading it as we are telling you about

00:18:36.140 it uh he is um he looks like he's going after rudy giuliani giuliani is looks like uh he's going to be

00:18:46.460 the the fall guy can we take nunez and his opening statement coming up he's coming up in just a second

00:18:55.260 um some things happened yesterday that we'll get into as well that that did not go well for the democrats

00:19:04.260 um and you know well let's just see this this is this is a really important articles drafted

00:19:13.180 important day uh for the impeachment hearing adam schiff with that i recognize ranking member nunez

00:19:21.560 for any remarks that thank god finally finished thank the gentlemen as we learned last night

00:19:26.960 story time last night we get story time first thing this morning ambassador sondland welcome

00:19:34.820 glad you're here i'm really not glad you're here but welcome to the fifth day of this circus

00:19:41.600 sondland as i've noticed really does look happy democrats on this committee spent three years

00:19:47.020 accusing president trump of being a russian agent in march 2018 after a year-long investigation

00:19:54.040 intelligence committee republicans issued a 240 page report describing in detail how the russians

00:20:01.700 meddled in the 2016 elections and making specific recommendations to improve our election security

00:20:09.180 denouncing the report as a whitewash and accusing republicans of subverting the investigation

00:20:16.640 the democrats issued their own report focusing on their now debunked conspiracy theory that the trump

00:20:24.880 campaign colluded with russia to hack the elections notably the democrats vowed at the time to present a

00:20:32.320 further quote comprehensive report unquote after they finished their investigation into trump's treasonous

00:20:40.620 collusion with russia for some completely inexplicable reason after the implosion of their russia hoax

00:20:47.680 the democrats failed to issue that comprehensive report we're still waiting this episode shows how the

00:20:56.780 democrats have exploited the intelligence committee for political purposes for three years culminating

00:21:02.500 in these impeachment hearings in their mania to attack the president no conspiracy theory is too outlandish

00:21:11.560 for the democrats time and time again they floated the possibility of some far-fetched malfeasance

00:21:18.780 by trump declared the dire need to investigate it and then suddenly dropped the issue and moved on to their

00:21:24.920 next asinine theory a sampling of their accusations and insinuations includes these trump is a long-time

00:21:37.700 russian agent as described in the steel dossier the russians gave trump advance access to emails stolen by the dnc

00:21:45.820 and the hillary clinton campaign the trump campaign based some of his activities on these stolen documents

00:21:52.080 trump received nefarious materials from the russians through a trump campaign aid

00:21:57.260 trump laundered russian money through real estate deals

00:22:01.220 trump was blackmailed by russia through his financial exposure with deutsch bank

00:22:07.840 trump had a diabolical plan to build a trump tower in moscow

00:22:13.080 trump changed the republican national committee platform to hurt ukraine and benefit russia

00:22:19.880 the russians laundered money through the nra for the trump campaign trump's son-in-law lied about his

00:22:28.540 russian contacts while obtaining his security clearance it's a long list of charges all false

00:22:35.720 and i could go on and on and on so this is devin nunez um he's got a few more minutes left uh let's take a

00:22:42.400 quick break so we get right to the ambassador's opening statement uh he's going to open uh for

00:22:49.760 just a few minutes about you know blah blah blah thank you for having me here i'm a trusted human

00:22:54.280 being blah blah blah then he gets into some real meat and we'll see how that goes coming up

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00:24:21.640 this is the glenn beck program uh today is the playoff game today is a day you

00:24:49.760 have to pay attention to the hearing we're going to get right to ambassador salt sondland he is

00:24:54.720 key to this the only one who has anything close to firsthand knowledge of quid pro quo he's going

00:25:02.100 to say for the first time in changing his testimony that there was quid pro quo few americans have heard

00:25:08.360 my name before these events so before i begin my substantive testimony please let me share some of

00:25:15.740 my personal background my parents fled europe during the holocaust escaping the atrocities of that time

00:25:24.860 my parents left germany for uruguay and then in 1953 emigrated to seattle washington where i was born

00:25:34.140 and raised like so many immigrants my family was eager for freedom and hungry for opportunity

00:25:40.940 they raised my sister and me to be humble hardworking and patriotic and i am forever grateful for the

00:25:49.220 sacrifices they made on our behalf public service has always been important to me as a lifelong

00:25:57.280 republican i have contributed to initiatives of both republican and democratic administrations

00:26:03.740 in 2003 i served as a member of the transition team for oregon democratic governor ted kulangowski

00:26:12.200 governor kulangowski also appointed me to serve on various statewide boards

00:26:18.940 in 2007 president george w bush appointed me as a member of the commission on white house fellows

00:26:26.460 i worked with president bush on charitable events for his foundation's military service initiative

00:26:32.920 and i also worked briefly with former vice president joe biden's office in connection

00:26:39.140 with the vice president's nationwide anti-cancer initiative at a local northwest hospital

00:26:46.360 and of course the highest honor in my public life came when president trump asked me to serve as

00:26:55.080 the united states ambassador to the european union the senate confirmed me as an ambassador on a

00:27:01.240 bipartisan voice vote and i assumed the role in brussels on july 9th 2018. although today is my first

00:27:11.440 public testimony on the ukraine matters this is not my first time cooperating with this committee

00:27:18.480 as you know i've already provided 10 hours of deposition testimony and i did so despite directives

00:27:27.860 from the white house and the state department that i refused to appear as many others have done

00:27:33.900 i agreed to testify because i respect the gravity of the moment and i believe i have an obligation

00:27:42.020 to account fully for my role in these events but i also must acknowledge that this process has been

00:27:49.880 challenging and in many respects less than fair i have not had access to all of my phone records

00:27:58.120 state department emails and many many other state department documents and i was told i could not work

00:28:06.200 with my eu staff to pull together the relevant files and information having access to the state department

00:28:14.700 materials would have been very helpful to me in trying to reconstruct with whom i spoke and met

00:28:21.340 and when and what was said as ambassador i've had hundreds of meetings and calls with individuals

00:28:29.700 but i'm not a note taker or a memo writer never have been my job requires that i speak with heads of state

00:28:41.080 senior government officials members of the cabinet the president almost each and every day

00:28:48.320 talking with foreign leaders might be memorable to some people but this is my job i do it all the time

00:28:57.160 my lawyers and i have made multiple requests to the state department and the white house for these

00:29:04.020 materials yet these materials were not provided to me and they have also refused to share these

00:29:11.540 materials with this committee these documents are not classified and in fairness and in fairness should

00:29:20.560 have been made available in the absence of these materials my memory admittedly has not been

00:29:26.900 perfect and i have no doubt that a more fair open and orderly process of allowing me to read the state

00:29:34.620 department records and other materials would have made this process far more transparent so um good point

00:29:42.060 from him basically he is explaining why his testimony has changed uh so you can't call him a flip-flopper or he

00:29:51.420 perjured himself last time he's saying i don't really recall things and i have no access to anything

00:29:57.700 the records should be uh allowed to be looked into again if this were a fair process i think that will

00:30:06.660 all change if it goes to the senate ambassador and i worked with mr rudy giuliani on ukraine matters

00:30:16.380 at the express direction of the president of the united states we did not want to work with mr giuliani

00:30:24.600 simply put we were playing the hand we were dealt we all understood that if we refused to work with

00:30:34.020 mr giuliani we would lose a very important opportunity to cement relations between the united states and ukraine

00:30:42.280 so we followed the president's orders second followed although we disagreed with the need to involve

00:30:52.220 mr giuliani at the time we did not believe that his role was improper as i previously testified if i had

00:31:02.240 known of all of mr giuliani's dealings or his associations with individuals some of whom are now under criminal

00:31:10.340 indictment i personally would not have acquiesced to his participation still given what we knew at the

00:31:19.420 time what we were asked to do did not appear to be wrong third let me say precisely because we did not

00:31:32.240 think that we were engaging in improper behavior we made every effort to ensure that the relevant

00:31:40.480 decision makers at the national security council and the state department knew the important details

00:31:48.420 of our efforts the suggestion that we were engaged in some irregular or rogue diplomacy is absolutely false

00:31:58.380 that is true i have now identified certain the shadow government is emails and messages is all set up

00:32:06.220 through the state department it is standard operating procedure show that the leadership of the state

00:32:13.240 department the national security council and the white house were all informed about the ukraine efforts

00:32:21.220 from may 23rd 2019 until the security aid was released on september 11th 2019

00:32:30.300 i will quote from some of those messages with you shortly

00:32:36.280 fourth as i testified this is big as i testified previously mr giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo

00:32:48.680 for arranging a white house visit for president zelensky mr giuliani demanded that ukraine make a public

00:32:57.860 statement announcing the investigations of the 2016 election dnc server and burisma mr giuliani was expressing

00:33:09.500 the desires of the president of the united states and we knew these investigations were important to the

00:33:16.180 president fifth fifth in july and august of 2019 we learned that the white house had also suspended security aid to ukraine

00:33:27.800 i was adamantly opposed to any suspension of aid i was adamantly suppose adamantly opposed to any suspension of aid

00:33:38.400 as the ukrainians needed those funds to fight against russian aggression

00:33:43.380 i tried diligently to ask why the aid was suspended but i never received a clear answer still haven't to this day

00:33:52.800 in the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid i later came to believe

00:34:01.420 that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from ukraine

00:34:08.560 committing to the investigations of the 2016 elections and burisma as mr giuliani had demanded so

00:34:17.040 what just what just happened is really important he said there is a quid pro quo but it was for the white

00:34:25.260 house visit that's different that's different than the money that's not bribery hey i'm not going to

00:34:31.980 give you something unless you come over to my house and we talk that's that's that's not a that's not

00:34:37.600 bribery um and he said i've never given i've never been given a good answer i later came to believe

00:34:47.040 that's his own opinion right they may try to draw a line there and that's the one that you'll probably

00:34:53.640 see tossed around today to defend that i think you know he he believed very seriously that it was and

00:35:00.820 acted as if it was with the ukrainians but he does not have direct knowledge that it was holding back

00:35:06.360 the money for uh the investigations which is a huge part of what this is all based on the president

00:35:12.580 of any kind let's go ahead and listen we were working to overcome the problems given the facts as

00:35:20.240 they existed our only interest and my only interest was to advance long-standing u.s policy

00:35:28.160 and to support ukraine's fragile democracy

00:35:31.860 now let me provide additional details specifically about ukraine and my involvement

00:35:40.280 first my very first days as ambassador to the eu which was starting back in july of 2018

00:35:51.280 ukraine has featured prominently in my broader portfolio ukraine's political and economic

00:36:00.000 development are critical to the long-standing and long we're going to take a quick break as he goes

00:36:05.740 into a little bit of this um i just want to recap if you just join it this is really important

00:36:11.500 testimony this is sondland this is not going well for the president uh but it's not a knockout punch by

00:36:17.660 by any stretch he says that mr giuliani did uh have quid pro quo they were working through giuliani

00:36:24.840 but it was for the white house visit of president zelensky not for the aid he said later the white

00:36:31.960 house suspended the aid i've never been given an answer and i came to believe that it was about that

00:36:38.040 however that was released before there was any kind of uh you know any kind of announcement that was

00:36:44.940 made so it kind of undermines that but you can believe whatever you want but those are not facts

00:36:50.780 now he said we were working to overcome two problems we were trying to get out of the way

00:36:56.200 and trying to get the president to meet with zelensky and to continue the long-standing state

00:37:02.900 department policies those long-standing state department policies are what we laid out in the

00:37:09.200 last special those are not good policies but that's what he said he was trying to get to

00:37:15.600 and to cement a u.s relationship with ukraine which i think all of us uh would uh agree with

00:37:23.460 more with uh ambassador sondland and his testimony today in just a minute

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00:39:04.740 uh this is make no mistake this is not good testimony for

00:39:34.660 the president uh this is ambassador sondland uh he is a career diplomat he is you know uh

00:39:43.120 been in the the bowels of the state department for a long time he is in his own words protecting

00:39:51.000 the uh the long-standing u.s policy in ukraine uh i think that's the worst thing that could happen

00:39:59.660 because that's riddled with corruption the president has built his entire case on there

00:40:06.020 was no quid pro quo we have been saying for ever stop saying that because quid pro quo is a part of

00:40:16.300 life and if it's in the national interest of course there's i want to see what you're doing

00:40:22.680 in the ambassador's own testimony today he does say that uh what was uh uh what was sent to zelinski

00:40:32.520 before the phone call was you have to say that you are going to have an open and transparent

00:40:40.900 investigation into these things the president was skeptical of ukraine didn't believe anything in

00:40:48.720 ukraine um whether you believe it or not doesn't matter the president's mindset was that it's corrupt

00:40:57.240 he was being informed by several people it was corrupt he didn't believe the long-standing state

00:41:06.340 department people who were in bed with george soros and everybody else i happen to believe that

00:41:13.280 however the president has made this entire thing about quid pro quo something that they started in

00:41:21.700 in august uh and it it just doesn't hold up now with this uh ambassador saying there was quid pro quo

00:41:33.960 it was not on the military aid it was on the the meeting between the two and it came from rudy giuliani

00:41:42.160 that changes things for the president uh hopefully the president will notice that this strategy isn't

00:41:49.260 going to work for him because this is all you'll hear about on the in the press today but we have

00:41:56.260 another way of looking at it and that's coming up you're listening to glenn beck

00:42:02.500 that is one of my oldest predictions coming true i mean exactly word for word yeah that's what i said

00:42:19.900 like in 2006 or 2007 if barack obama is elected this guy's so so buttoned up that we're gonna get a

00:42:27.420 guy gravy stand on his shirt he'll fart i that's what i did yep that was me i farted don't we all

00:42:33.660 fart that's exactly and we got him and we got him although he has not technically done that on camera

00:42:41.560 no there's been no farts on camera no but there's some stinky things that have happened he's got at

00:42:47.420 least a year left in office yeah um this uh sondland the testimony is going to be interesting to watch

00:42:54.540 how the white house reacts to this i know people will tell you that this is no big deal

00:43:00.420 this in my opinion is not a is not an impeachable offense the quid pro quo but the president

00:43:08.780 has built his case on that that it didn't happen and that's the hill he wanted to die on and we were

00:43:16.120 like don't die on that hill uh but sondland has said there is quid pro quo but there's a couple of

00:43:22.100 other things that have just happened we'll start there in one minute

00:43:24.980 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment today is the the playoffs if you will of the

00:43:46.040 impeachment hearing ambassador sondland has been testifying now for about 40 minutes and he hasn't

00:43:53.480 gotten to questions and answers yet but he has some said some remarkable things not helpful to the

00:43:59.920 president he's the really the only guy with any kind of direct knowledge on these things he talked

00:44:07.160 about quid pro quo and the july 25th phone call in the restaurant that everybody overheard

00:44:13.800 he clarifies both of those things and we go there in one minute this is the glenbeck program

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00:45:43.760 so i want to take you back to the hearings uh sondland ambassador sondland is still reading his

00:46:03.760 opening statement uh if you just joined us you missed a couple of things uh let me just read

00:46:09.340 probably the most critical thing in the last 20 minutes also july 26 shortly after our kiev meetings

00:46:15.640 i spoke by phone with president trump the white house which had finally shared certain call dates

00:46:21.360 and times with my attorneys to confirm will confirm this the call lasted five minutes i remember i was

00:46:26.480 at a restaurant in kiev and i had no reason to doubt that this conversation included the subject of

00:46:30.980 investigations again given mr giuliani's demand that president zelensky make a public statement about

00:46:36.840 investigations i knew the topic of investigations was important to the president we did not discuss

00:46:43.080 any classified information other witnesses recently shared their recollections of overhearing this call

00:46:48.400 but for the most part i have no reason to doubt their accounts it is true that the president speaks

00:46:54.280 loudly at times it's also true that we discussed asap rocky it's true that the president likes colorful

00:47:01.880 language while i can't remember the price precise details again the white house has not allowed me

00:47:07.380 to see any of the readouts of that call the july 26 call did not strike me as significant at the time

00:47:13.440 actually i would have been more surprised if president trump had not mentioned investigations

00:47:18.340 particularly what we were hearing from mr giuliani about the president's concerns however i have no

00:47:24.240 recollection of discussing vice president biden or his son on the call or after the call ended i know that

00:47:31.420 members of this committee have frequently framed those complicated issues in the form of a simple

00:47:35.520 question was there quid pro quo as i testified previously with regard to the white house call

00:47:41.680 and the white house meeting the answer is yes there was mr giuliani conveyed to secretary perry

00:47:51.100 ambassador volker and others the president wanted a public statement from president zelensky committing

00:47:57.640 to investigations of burisma in the 2016 election mr giuliani expressed those requests directly to the

00:48:03.920 ukrainians mr giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us we all understood the

00:48:08.680 prerequisites for a white house call and a white house meeting it reflected president trump's desires and

00:48:15.600 requirements so they they talk about you know it was no secret in fact let me quote it was no secret

00:48:22.900 everyone was informed via email on july 19th before days before the presidential call as i communicated to

00:48:31.480 the team i told president zelensky in advance that assurances to quote run a fully transparent

00:48:39.360 investigation end quote and quote turn over every stone end quote were necessary in his call with the

00:48:48.300 president that doesn't seem like a bad thing to ask for if you want a meeting the rest of it seems to

00:48:57.100 be this is what i heard or what i later came to believe but no evidence but make no mistake this is going

00:49:04.120 to hurt the president's case because he has made his case which it is not but he has decided to make the

00:49:12.080 case all about quid pro quo this is the only guy with first-hand knowledge that can say there was

00:49:19.780 quid pro quo but he didn't say it was happening from the president he said it was happening through

00:49:25.580 rudy giuliani that only rudy giuliani said quid pro quo there you have to do this or he's not going

00:49:33.160 to get that meeting and that but he is saying that did come directly from the president to giuliani but

00:49:38.080 he does not have first-hand knowledge but that would you know that would be a good assumption

00:49:42.140 sure i think it's important to kind of talk about what we're doing here today which is i think you

00:49:47.720 can go probably all over uh talk radio today and get people telling you that you know oh these guys

00:49:54.440 are all it's all a sham and it's a hoax and and there's nothing going on here and you can certainly

00:49:58.680 go on every media source today and they're going to say this is the worst thing in the world what i feel

00:50:03.120 like it's important for us to do today is to look at this and see how is the media going to take this

00:50:08.200 how are they going to push this to the american people what the truth is and what what is still

00:50:13.780 speculation so and what what is the approach the democrats are trying to take here right they are

00:50:19.340 playing by the president they're letting him hang himself on the quid pro quo when i say this is bad

00:50:25.360 for the president i mean it's bad for the president because he has insisted on making it only about

00:50:31.140 that it's not about that it's about the national interest on what happened in the 2016 election and

00:50:37.220 deep corruption in our state department and former administration that's what this is really all

00:50:43.140 about but he has insisted on making this about quid pro quo and so because everybody knows that

00:50:50.340 what's going to happen is the media is just going to pound sondland's thing is into the ground saying

00:50:57.360 yes those who question if there was a quid pro quo i can tell you yes this does i think potentially

00:51:04.700 provide an off ramp for trump on that defense which is to say wait a minute we're talking about the

00:51:10.340 meeting well we meetings we use for all sorts of things you were talking about security you're talking

00:51:15.560 about hundreds of millions of dollars i didn't withhold that i didn't withhold their safety for for any of

00:51:21.420 these things right i withheld a meeting as sondland said and it does give him an off ramp from that

00:51:27.420 argument potentially if he decides to take it he's had plenty of it he doesn't you know like you're

00:51:31.840 right he's had off ramp after off ramp after off ramp the biggest one being mick mulvaney who came out

00:51:36.100 and took all the arrows for um saying look it's not about quid pro quo stuff happens all the time

00:51:41.420 and we haven't i mean mick's been invisible since apparently did not go over well uh in the white house

00:51:47.620 and was not received well by the media but he was being honest which is like this stuff happens

00:51:51.800 all the time of course when you're giving a company our country 391 million dollars there are some

00:51:59.100 strings attached to that yeah it's true and they're real there's real nuance in ambassador sondland's

00:52:06.520 testimony he talks about how the president didn't believe anybody in in ukraine he thought they were

00:52:12.440 all corrupt he didn't want anything to do with it so there again is a reason in national interests

00:52:18.960 to withhold the money and and that backed up trump's sort of telling him correct which is it was for the

00:52:25.560 national interest and not for personal private political benefits so we're talking about a couple

00:52:30.480 of things we're talking about how the media is is going to run with it and you know that um how the

00:52:36.960 legal case uh should be run here by the republicans but i don't know what the republicans are doing

00:52:43.460 um and what this means for the deep state now yesterday we had some we had some pretty incredible

00:52:52.540 things uh happen um uh yesterday with the uh witnesses that were there vindman was um is a guy who

00:53:05.440 uh was pursued by ambassador sondland um and rudy giuliani uh he was a guy who said there was no

00:53:16.100 national interest in this if ukraine was engaging in u.s election interference colluding with obama

00:53:23.280 and biden's were using the power of the government to make millions of dollars with a known corrupt

00:53:28.520 oligarch he didn't hear about it and it wasn't in the national interest well that doesn't make any

00:53:34.840 sense at all um he didn't it it showed that the the the three amigos were sondland the guy who's

00:53:47.660 testifying now vindman who testified yesterday and the whistleblower vindman was on the phone call and

00:53:56.160 we found out yesterday that when he finished the phone call he immediately ran out and talked to the

00:54:04.720 whistleblower and i believe sondland right and um i think it's sondland uh and they started to

00:54:16.020 uh war game this out now it wasn't sondland who was the other guy it was the the other guy with

00:54:22.540 the bow tie guy wasn't it taylor uh taylor was kent it was kent it was kent uh so kent is the

00:54:30.180 three amigo uh it was kent the whistleblower and vinman now yesterday we looked you know at at vinman

00:54:38.840 the they kept asking him did you know about all of these things did you know about uh corruption

00:54:47.080 in burisma did you know that was happening did you know that there was speculation that his son was

00:54:54.540 corrupt did you know anything about the dnc working with the with the um the embassy did you know

00:55:02.380 anything and gave this whole list the answer was no on absolutely everything absolutely everything

00:55:09.900 so he looks as if he is i mean he's supposed to be a ukrainian expert this is his beat the name

00:55:18.320 chalupa had been floating around soros's involvement in ukraine had been known since

00:55:22.900 early 2015 hunter biden's involvement with bariza had been a topic of concern in the state department

00:55:29.500 for a while as testified by george kent last week so was this guy lying or was he just incompetent

00:55:37.660 we'll tell you more about this uh coming up in uh in just a second because we have an expose on this

00:55:44.180 it's really important tonight at five o'clock we'll tell you about it here in a second but uh

00:55:48.680 looks like adam schiff is now ready to to uh the dnc service ask some questions of sondland

00:55:55.020 over this over this continuum uh it became more and more difficult to secure the white house meeting

00:56:02.540 because more conditions were being placed on the white house meeting and then of course on july 25th

00:56:09.160 although you were not privy to the call another condition was added that being the investigation

00:56:13.280 of the biden's i was not privy to the call and i did not know that the condition of of investigating

00:56:21.160 the biden's was a condition correct you saw that in the call record correct it was not in any record

00:56:27.120 i received but when you didn't yes i saw that in september correct so under on this continuum the

00:56:34.740 beginning of the continuum begins on may 23rd when the president instructs you to talk to rudy correct

00:56:40.520 and you understood that as a direction by the president that you needed to satisfy the concerns

00:56:46.660 that rudy giuliani would express to you uh about what the president wanted ukraine not to me to the

00:56:51.440 entire group volker perry and myself correct now in your opening statement you confirm that there was

00:56:58.220 a quid pro quo between the white house meeting and the investigations into burisma and the 2016 election

00:57:04.540 that giuliani was publicly promoting is that right correct and in fact you say that other senior

00:57:13.620 officials in the state department and the chiefs of staff's office including mick mulvaney secretary

00:57:20.600 pompeo were aware of this quid pro quo that in order to get the white house meeting there were going

00:57:26.580 to have to be these investigations the president wanted correct and those again are investigations

00:57:33.700 into 2016 and burisma slash the biden's 2016 burisma the biden's did not come up but you would

00:57:42.960 ultimately learn that burisma meant the biden's when you saw the call record of course today i know

00:57:48.220 exactly what it means i didn't know at the time credible stew and then on july 26 so far he's not

00:57:58.340 all pro-democrats we've pointed this out multiple times now but it's a lot of his testimony is actually

00:58:04.040 helping the president here um in some ways in some ways and hurting him and others yeah if he chooses

00:58:10.780 to let them help recounting that i take exception with is i do not recall mentioning the biden's that

00:58:19.140 did not enter my mind it was burisma in 2016 elections you have no reason to believe that

00:58:24.140 mr holmes would make that up if that's what he recalls you saying you have no reason to question

00:58:28.200 that do you i i don't recall saying biden i never recall saying biden

00:58:32.760 but the rest of mr holmes uh recollection is consistent with your own well i can't testify

00:58:43.520 as to what mr holmes might or might not have heard through the phone i don't know how he heard the

00:58:48.140 conversation are you familiar with this testimony vaguely yes and the only exception you take is to

00:58:54.340 the mention of the name biden correct that's could be significant they're going to use that

00:59:04.420 this morning that not only uh is it correct that the president brought up with you investigations on

00:59:11.760 the phone the day after the july 25th call but you would have been surprised had he not brought that up

00:59:17.100 is that right right because we had been hearing about it from rudy and we presumed rudy was getting

00:59:22.000 it from the president so one of the big things you're seeing here from sondland and in his

00:59:26.200 testimony he said the conversation after the phone conversation at the restaurant where he said

00:59:30.540 you know he doesn't care about ukraine is not included in his opening statement and you see the

00:59:35.760 tricky uh shift tactic there which is to say do you do you know that are you familiar with his

00:59:40.620 testimony he says vaguely he says well so the only thing that you disagree with is you didn't

00:59:44.540 say biden and he says yeah well well that wait a minute there's a whole other part of the call

00:59:48.980 you haven't discussed at all and now they're going to say he agreed with that part of the testimony

00:59:53.520 as if he knew what he was talking about back in just a second one minute keep the testimony running

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01:01:04.380 the impeachment hearings you've been watching a play-by-play uh coup i think the coup coverage

01:01:24.140 uh has been going on uh this is a well orchestrated plan now sonderland's testimony has uh has changed

01:01:33.760 things a bit and made it more real for the media to be able to go and and spin it that way um because

01:01:40.720 we're not talking about the real issue here let's go back to the hearing uh sondland you also had a

01:01:48.720 conversation with vice president pence before his meeting with president zelinski in warsaw

01:01:53.300 and that you raised the concern you had as well that the security assistance was being withheld

01:01:58.780 because of the president's desire to get a commitment from zelinski to pursue these political

01:02:02.940 investigations what did you say to the vice president i was in a briefing uh with several

01:02:09.240 people and i just spoke up and i said it appears that everything is stalled until this statement gets

01:02:16.560 made something that words to that effect uh and that's what i believe to be the case based on

01:02:22.060 uh you know the work that the three of us had been doing volker perry and myself and the vice president

01:02:29.400 nodded like you know he he heard what i said and that was pretty much it as i recall and you understood

01:02:37.780 that the ukrainians were going to raise the security assistance with the vice president at this meeting

01:02:42.920 i didn't know what they were going to raise but they they in fact did raise it mr chairman well it was

01:02:48.480 public by that point that there was a hold on the security assistance correct yeah but i i didn't know

01:02:52.340 what they were going to raise i didn't get a pre-brief from the ukrainians

01:02:55.220 well you knew certainly they were concerned about the hold on the security assistance right they

01:02:59.620 were concerned obviously and you wanted to help prepare the vice president for the meeting by

01:03:04.040 letting him know what you thought was responsible for the hold on the security assistance that's fair

01:03:09.160 do you recall anything else the president vice president said other than nodding his head when

01:03:14.740 you made him aware of this fact no i i don't have a readout of that meeting so i can't remember anything

01:03:19.980 else and it was immediately after this meeting between the vice president and zelinski that you

01:03:25.520 went to speak with yermak and you told him similarly that um in order to release the military assistance

01:03:33.500 they were going to have to publicly announce these investigations yeah much has been made of that

01:03:37.180 meeting and it really wasn't a meeting what happened was everyone got up after the bilateral meeting

01:03:42.160 between president zelinski and vice president pence and people do what they normally do they get up

01:03:47.960 they mill around they shake hands and i don't know if i came over to yermak or he came over to me

01:03:53.540 but he said you know what's going on here and i said i don't know it might all be tied together now i

01:03:58.800 have you know i have no idea i was presuming that it was but it was a very short conversation

01:04:03.060 well in that short conversation as you would later relate to mr morrison and ambassador taylor

01:04:08.420 you informed mr yermak that they would need to invest announce these investigations in order to get the

01:04:15.000 aid did you not well mr yermak was already working on those investigation or on the uh statement about

01:04:21.720 the investigations and you confirmed for him that he needed to get it done if they were going to get

01:04:26.520 the military aid i likely did mr morrison and ambassador taylor have also related a conversation you had

01:04:37.900 with the president following the warsaw meeting in which the president relayed to you uh that there was

01:04:44.580 no quid pro quo but nevertheless unless zelinski went to the mic uh and announced these investigations

01:04:52.200 they would be a stalemate over the aid is that correct that's correct and that was so it

01:04:58.020 it is interesting how schiff is now tying the aid to something that uh the ambassador said i i have no

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01:06:23.700 so this is uh now we're only we're only hearing one of the people that we're going to do is

01:06:50.640 one side one side so far only adam schiff has questioned now the council for the democrats are uh are

01:06:58.420 talking to ambassador sondland so we're getting a very one-sided uh view if the republicans cannot

01:07:06.240 pull his testimony apart um and even if they do at this point the media will declare victory

01:07:15.940 this you will see today the victory laps that are going to be made by the media and every democrat

01:07:23.760 everything that happens after probably the next 30 minutes will not matter to the media will not

01:07:31.440 matter to anyone uh adam schiff today has done a very good job of boxing the president in to a very

01:07:40.860 tight box with this ambassador and he looks credible and that's one of the things you have to look at

01:07:49.580 is how is america going to view him and if they watch any of this he is viewed uh he looks very credible i

01:08:00.200 didn't think vindman vindman was was credible yesterday um i i didn't think a few of the people

01:08:06.620 looked credible that you you had confidence yeah this guy has he's not saying anything but the truth

01:08:13.160 sondland has come on very affable uh both sides is cut down you know both sides of the issue uh and

01:08:24.040 looks like he has not a care in the world on what he is saying it gives him the the ability to look

01:08:31.000 very very credible what he has said is that uh there was quid pro quo that's a quote for anybody who

01:08:40.680 is asking if there was quid pro quo yes there was but what he is saying is that it was about

01:08:48.180 uh the meeting that the president and zelinski were to have at the white house he then later said on

01:08:56.760 uh about this that the president wanted an announcement that he was going to look into

01:09:03.700 burisma and the 2016 election now trump's uh defense here is yeah because we have to look into corruption

01:09:11.980 and all of them are saying that trump uh was misguided okay fine that believed that there was real

01:09:22.060 corruption going on so it makes sense that he would say no i want an announcement i want to see it

01:09:28.760 there's documents from sondland telling zelinski that in your phone call you must say that it's going

01:09:35.880 to be a full and transparent investigation there's nothing wrong with any of that however what sondland

01:09:44.320 has just said is that uh he felt again it's hearsay he felt that trump didn't even care if it was uh if

01:09:54.160 there was an investigation he just wanted the announcement quote i'm not sure they even had to

01:10:00.400 do it meaning the investigation yeah that's a very significant we brought this up before and the main

01:10:07.060 thing that we keep coming back to is whether he was doing this out of u.s interest or he's doing it

01:10:10.860 out of his own personal uh political benefit and there's no way you're going to find that unless

01:10:16.540 donald trump blurted it out on tape somewhere right so the way they're going to try to prove that

01:10:22.060 is to say that the the the ask was not for an actual investigation of this corruption the ask was for an

01:10:28.680 announcement of it on cnn to u.s consumers they wanted a public announcement that biden looked like

01:10:37.020 he was a bad guy uh and maybe the election wasn't uh wasn't on the up and up and we're going to look

01:10:43.160 into that the fact that sondland multiple times has said it was not about the investigation it was

01:10:49.300 about the announcement of the investigation um and it didn't even matter if they did the investigation

01:10:53.980 is something that he sondland is out there specifically trying to strengthen the case of

01:11:00.120 the democrats that this was about personal gain not about actual corruption and there's one other

01:11:05.740 thing that adam shift uh shifted to right before uh the end he he was having a conversation sondland

01:11:13.440 was having a conversation after a meeting with biden i'm sorry uh with uh pence in poland and after

01:11:20.780 the meeting the ukrainian guy came to the ambassador and said okay what's happening here uh because i just

01:11:30.320 heard that the aid is now being held up is this part of this and he said look i don't know now he did say

01:11:38.780 at that time i began to assume that it was but what he said was i just needed to break this log jam

01:11:46.000 and he told the guy uh from ukraine at this at this meeting after this meeting look i don't i don't know

01:11:52.860 what it is but we just have to break this log jam so he said i'm just trying to get everybody to do

01:11:59.280 what they have to do to be able to break the log jam i don't care what it is but then shift changed the

01:12:06.600 language and he said so what the president was asking for and you said you have to break the log jam

01:12:16.760 did that log jam now include the money well yes it's a log jam for whatever was clogging up the system

01:12:24.680 but it included the money yes did donald trump write that check himself no was that an official

01:12:31.900 act that the president was holding back well yes i presume that it was that's all presumption

01:12:41.780 but then shift says this so was this a meeting at the white house just to meet no it was supposed to

01:12:50.920 be a working meeting so this was also an official act of the president well yes we wanted to have an

01:12:58.980 official meeting uh between them so this was an official act yes what he's driving to is the bribery case

01:13:08.000 the president was holding back official acts basically basically this is the hillary clinton

01:13:16.140 they're making donations to the clinton foundation and then they find themselves

01:13:20.540 in a room with hillary clinton having a meeting okay it's basically that story except there's no

01:13:27.920 clinton foundation involved it's just i want you to make this announcement and the democrats care this

01:13:34.120 time but that's that's what's happening now sondland is going to be uh wrapping up with the democratic

01:13:41.800 council and then we'll probably take a break and they'll start again at midnight when nobody is

01:13:47.520 watching um but uh let's take a little bit more of the uh of gordon's example of big stuff

01:13:54.740 the biden investigation that rudy giuliani was pushing do you recall that i don't i recall burisma

01:14:03.220 i'm not biden and but do you recall saying and at least refer referring to an investigation that

01:14:09.600 rudy giuliani was pushing is that something that you likely would have said i would have yes

01:14:13.460 now even if you don't recall specifically mentioning the biden investigation to david holmes

01:14:25.440 we know that it was certainly on president trump's mind

01:14:29.340 because just the day before in his call with president zelensky

01:14:34.320 he mentions specifically the biden investigation and i want to show you that exhibit or that excerpt

01:14:41.900 from the call on july 25th

01:14:44.540 where president trump says the other thing there's a lot of talk about biden's son

01:14:51.360 that biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that

01:14:56.080 so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great

01:14:59.520 biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it

01:15:04.880 it sounds horrible to me president zelensky then responds with a reference to the company

01:15:10.620 that he's referring to and two witnesses yesterday said that when president zelensky actually said the

01:15:17.380 company he said burisma so

01:15:20.560 you would agree that regardless of whether you knew about the connection to the biden's

01:15:26.740 at the very least that you now know that that's what president trump wanted at the time

01:15:33.060 through the burisma investigation i now know it all of course

01:15:37.040 and at this time you were aware of the president's desire along with rudy giuliani

01:15:43.300 to do these investigations including the 2016 election interference investigation is that right

01:15:50.420 that's correct okay stop for a second i i just want to just want to point out before we take a break

01:15:55.700 this is where this should focus and the president has made an error in my opinion on going for there

01:16:05.280 was no quid pro quo of course all of life is a pretty quid pro quo you know marriage is a quid pro quo

01:16:13.440 i'm going to do these things and you'll be my wife you'll do those things and i'll be your husband you stop

01:16:22.440 doing those things and start sleeping with other people uh that wasn't in the agreement so their l of

01:16:29.760 life is a quid pro quo but he has made it about that so he has given them a huge win today but this

01:16:37.640 line of questioning is important because you have to assume that there is absolutely nothing that is in

01:16:44.760 the national interest to even look into regarding the 2016 campaign and the biden's now remember

01:16:53.240 joe biden's son's partner christopher hines john carey's stepson he is on record saying i got as far

01:17:05.640 away from that barisement deal as i could he quit and said guys you are you are in dangerous territory

01:17:12.040 here so to assume that there is nothing to be found and there is no reason to even look into the 2016

01:17:21.500 election is nonsense is total nonsense well and it's funny because you're hearing a lot of this

01:17:27.520 separation between biden and burisma like trump wanted biden but i heard them say burisma which

01:17:34.120 would have been legitimate but not biden so and it's it's a hilarious distinction because it's not

01:17:39.520 only being made by sondland today and and others yesterday it's been by almost every um witness that

01:17:47.640 was hostile to the president and what they say is burisma was well known for corruption they were

01:17:52.700 very well known in the ukraine for corruption and we knew they were corrupt however going after biden

01:17:59.080 is way over the top now but but it was it is not especially if you look at the quote from the phone

01:18:06.720 call biden bragged he got the prosecutor fired from looking into burisma he bragged about it that doesn't

01:18:16.080 seem good to me right and of course these things are tied yeah you can't say it's okay to investigate

01:18:24.000 burisma but it doesn't involve the bidens at all that would of course be part of the investigation if

01:18:30.420 you investigated burisma you have the vice president of the united states who's influencing policy uh you

01:18:36.040 have the policy that the vice president was executing was hurting the number one competitor

01:18:41.340 of burisma and his son works at the freaking company how can you not tie those together i will

01:18:46.620 tell you right now i have heard of a giant mouse in pants and red shoes that is walking around in

01:18:52.300 orlando right now and you can look into it but you are not allowed to look into disney or walt disney

01:18:59.720 or the walt disney company but i can investigate the mouse walking around orlando but you are not allowed

01:19:05.480 to attach that crazy story by itself of a giant four-foot mouse walking around with walt disney

01:19:14.940 the walt disney company or disney world amazing i mean and you can understand why they would try to

01:19:20.960 get out of this themselves you listen to how crazy he is he's like a four-foot mouse i want to look into

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01:21:15.620 uh today uh is i think uh a bad day for the president on quid pro quo this is why we have

01:21:25.960 been saying stop saying there's no quid pro quo uh it's a bad day for him on that we haven't seen the

01:21:35.560 um the cross-examination yet and that's when things you know fell apart for uh blazy ford

01:21:41.340 i'm not saying that sondland is blazy ford um but let's see it how he stands up against cross

01:21:47.700 examination one difference is he remembers the country he was in when the incident took place

01:21:51.520 yes he does yes he he does he seems to have some of the facts uh going for him uh however

01:21:57.900 the other thing the the the impeachment trial let's say this the coup that i think is actually

01:22:05.160 happening with the state department what they are covering up they are using this to impeach

01:22:11.660 donald trump and i think he walked into a trap by standing on no quid pro quo um i don't think that

01:22:19.720 this is enough to impeach but some people may what's disturbing to me is we as a nation are not

01:22:29.140 talking about what the real story is tonight i'm going to show you how just in the last couple of days

01:22:36.520 george soros had to have made an awful lot of money because he gained an awful lot of power

01:22:44.260 if you want to see what is really happening tonight at five o'clock i'm going to show you some of the

01:22:52.160 people that are um you have been giving testimony in the impeachment hearings and cross-check that with

01:22:59.360 what we've been saying that we found from our three ukrainian specials and i'm going to show you

01:23:06.000 how george soros is actually very involved in everything that you heard over the last couple

01:23:12.140 of days we'll give you that and also a recap of ambassador sondland and his testimony and the

01:23:19.400 cross-examination a little later on uh after it is of course happened at five o'clock but we will give

01:23:25.980 you a very very different look at what is really happening i can tell you now the press today is going

01:23:34.260 to run a victory lap and say yes it's an open and shut case there it is there was quid pro quo

01:23:41.120 they are going to tout this day as the day they brought down the president the president must make

01:23:50.200 this about national interest and what was really going on in ukraine it's all there more in a minute

01:23:58.280 all right we're going to uh get into the uh impeachment the impeachment hearings have just

01:24:18.340 uh broken um president trump never told me that aid was tied to an announcement of investigations

01:24:25.200 we did get that uh not a good morning for the president uh mainly because i think they have

01:24:31.420 played it wrong um but i don't think anything anything new other than this is they're going to

01:24:38.860 use this to uh use it as a smoking gun and you'll see a victory lap going around today um we'll talk

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01:25:45.800 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment all right we just heard from ambassador sondland who

01:25:54.620 was a very credible witness that gave his one side we haven't had the cross-examination uh yet and

01:26:02.420 that's where it could all change and and you know a change direction here but it's not going to matter

01:26:09.660 with the press the press already has their story i'd be surprised how many of them even show up for the

01:26:15.580 cross-examination because they are going to use this as the smoking gun we'll explain it to you

01:26:21.520 coming up in one minute this is the glenbeck program

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01:29:20.860 birthday anyway so pat you've been watching the uh impeachment what is your thought today uh kind

01:29:27.500 of like yours it seems like a bad day for the president uh and i don't i just don't understand

01:29:32.820 why they've gone this direction the whole time you mean trump yes why trump has insisted it's not

01:29:39.140 quid pro quo who cares if it's quid pro quo tell them it's in the national interest because it was

01:29:46.320 because it was and that's what see here's what schiff has done today is he's moved it two steps he's made

01:29:54.420 two moves he's got somebody now saying yep definitely i talked to the president i got it from uh rudy

01:30:01.840 giuliani it was quid pro quo if this didn't happen he he would not have a meeting with zielinski

01:30:09.000 now he later tied that to the aid but that is hearsay because that was something that the

01:30:15.440 the ambassador said i just assumed that that's what it was okay so there is no evidence that it

01:30:21.340 was tied to the aid but you could make that assumption uh as ambassador sondland did so what

01:30:27.960 he did was he gave them the quid pro quo today at least with the meeting with the meeting but did

01:30:34.860 you see what in bat what what uh he had the ambassador testify to towards the end the democratic

01:30:41.700 attorney said uh or schiff said so this was a working meeting though right this was an official

01:30:48.660 working meeting oh yeah and he said yes it was and so you were planning on doing work and trying to

01:30:54.860 really work yes so this was an official presidential duty so he moved this piece two spots down the board

01:31:04.900 uh and the president shouldn't have ever let them have that no and he only he only allowed them to

01:31:11.700 have that because he kept insisting and probably still will there was no quid pro quo there was an off

01:31:17.740 ramp however the off ramp uh was i think the first part of that oh well if that's what you meant by

01:31:26.000 quid pro quo a meeting i thought you were talking about the money but the meeting yeah quid pro quo right

01:31:33.860 but you better have a a legitimate reason why that money was held up right you can't it's gonna be hard

01:31:41.020 for him to say sure yeah that was a quid pro quo the point here is that what are we arguing about at

01:31:45.700 this at this at this juncture right a meeting like i i mean i that is like what what age are we i think

01:31:51.680 that's the out if it's if it's all about the meeting i don't care if that's a working meeting or not you

01:31:56.620 can't impeach him over a meeting i mean it's silly it's ridiculous i i it's just it's it's so but he's

01:32:04.740 not but there's not that's not the way it's going to be spun remember impeachment is not a legal

01:32:09.220 proceeding it is a political proceeding so you have to convince the american people yeah right

01:32:16.200 donald trump has given him the ammunition he's armed the media with the ammunition clear cut yes

01:32:24.160 it was quid pro quo you're not going to take it any further they won't care about no and even if he

01:32:29.020 didn't say that they would lie about it but they have him on tape saying it multiple times with the

01:32:33.480 you know with all the flavor that they want and it is a logical leap from the meeting to then what

01:32:39.940 happened to the aid why why was the aid held up it was a logical leap from sondland yes which is what

01:32:46.200 he's saying i was like yeah well obviously this is part of it right and so the american people will

01:32:50.380 take that leap and that shuts down everything else everything else of what this is about 2016 what's

01:32:58.320 the state department's role in uh these uh these riots all around the world including ukraine what

01:33:05.560 was happening uh with civil society 2.0 what was happening with uh the 2016 election what happened to

01:33:14.260 the seven billion dollars all of that is gone it's it's honestly like somebody burned down a house

01:33:22.080 and we're listening to two attorneys argue with the guy who left the paint thinner open and then was

01:33:31.100 smoking around it and all they're doing is is asking the the painter yes but was the living room eggshell

01:33:40.180 or white that has nothing to do with anything that has nothing to do with this but that's the president's

01:33:47.740 fault and it's strange that they haven't seen that along the way i how is it possible i think everybody

01:33:54.300 did he with all his advisors didn't say look this is the wrong tack we've got to go to u.s interest

01:34:02.180 i i don't understand inside sources have told me that uh they have been saying that to the president

01:34:11.680 yes and he won't go with it no he wants to he never wants to give up strange right yeah and i do think

01:34:17.160 after this he will come out again and say there was no quid pro i agree because he'll say it wasn't

01:34:21.160 in the call he will and we still at this point don't have uh a transcript of trump saying it right

01:34:27.100 what we have is a very close aid a million you know seven figure donor to the president who said that it

01:34:33.700 that it was said and he came directly from giuliani and he's credible in a way that like his

01:34:38.860 presentation as you watch it he seems credible he's credible for the media and the american people to

01:34:44.600 consume it and deem he's credible the clips will play he could be the biggest liar in the world but

01:34:49.340 he will not be spun that way and his clips don't look like vindman looked a little i don't know

01:34:56.880 squirrely yeah he didn't look shady he just looks squirrely yeah you're kind of you watch him and you're

01:35:01.740 like oh i don't know vindman did not have any of that approach to him at all and to be clear he said

01:35:08.340 some things that have been beneficial i think to the president um and this line is carved out pretty well

01:35:12.720 in that we he basically put suddenly put all the blame to giuliani largely and said giuliani was

01:35:21.100 doing these things but they were at the president's request but giuliani was the problem giuliani is the

01:35:25.840 one who was saying uh you know explicit quid pro quo giuliani giuliani giuliani now he's not saying

01:35:32.020 that he doesn't believe giuliani that giuliani uh didn't really get the word from the president

01:35:37.560 he's not saying that um but the president may very well say that he may say i don't know what

01:35:42.280 rudy was doing you know yeah maybe rudy was telling people that i wasn't telling people that

01:35:46.580 he could throw him under the bus and we 100 at this point know that there was a quid pro quo for

01:35:52.800 these things at least according to the ukrainians who definitely felt that outwardly from sondland

01:36:00.420 have you noticed that until today when sondland kept saying it they've dropped the quid pro quo thing

01:36:06.180 and went to bribery yeah and i think that's because the american people don't necessarily

01:36:10.840 know what know what quid pro quo is they're not up on their latin as much as maybe we should be

01:36:16.440 they did a focus group uh last week or the week before and uh they said you know which what does

01:36:23.280 it mean and nobody knew what it meant and nobody cared what it meant but when they said um how about

01:36:29.520 the word bribery they all went oh that's really bad right and that's why they changed it it was all

01:36:34.620 changed again for a focus group and i think it was changed for al sharpton too because the president

01:36:40.660 has been proven to have a quid pro quo he did not say that a squid skin bro

01:36:51.460 quid pro quo the president has been doing bribery too many bribery

01:37:01.000 so i think in part this is for al sharpton's sunday that could be for his broadcast yeah so he

01:37:08.960 doesn't have to deal with that stuff i will say it's also in the constitution right outwardly the

01:37:13.000 word is in the constitution as opposed to quid pro quo well they tested high crimes misdemeanors

01:37:18.000 bribery yeah quid quid pro quo and there's no chance that al sharpton could ever pronounce that

01:37:23.440 no chance at all no so well i can can he do high crimes and misdemeanors is that uh i don't even

01:37:29.680 know if he could get to that i'm not positive on that probably pretty difficult and i will tell you

01:37:34.740 and mrs was meaner what wait what maybe mrs wiener mrs wiener they know mrs wiener uh what's her name

01:37:47.860 but work for hillary wieners yeah all right yes um let me just leave you with this idea uh i want

01:37:55.080 to play the audio from good morning america now listen to this audio what they say well our poll

01:38:02.720 also shows that 21 percent of of americans have made up their minds after the first week of

01:38:08.440 testimony that suggests that they were already locked in or that really the testimony they've

01:38:12.980 heard is enough but that's a big percentage who still have to make up their minds and 70 percent

01:38:18.320 saying the president did something wrong the president keeps saying the call was perfect he

01:38:21.920 did nothing wrong our polls suggest that may go down in history along with i did not have sex with

01:38:26.240 that woman as a very ineffective presidential defense okay so i believe that to be accurate

01:38:31.960 really you think only 20 percent of people have made their mind up on this i think it's even

01:38:35.780 close to that no no no no what what i'm what i'm saying is the uh statement i didn't have sex with

01:38:43.220 that woman miss lewinski you're saying you believe that you never had sex well i'm pretty sure okay

01:38:49.220 pretty sure okay um so uh never be 100 right these things happen i think that it is i think that

01:38:56.060 this there was no quid pro quo is going to go down in the same way as a bad presidential defense

01:39:04.540 and we'll all remember no quid pro quo and it will become a joke but it will not harm the president

01:39:14.040 it won't bring him down it will not bring him down that that's what i predict from this that abc

01:39:20.940 is right but what i think they're thinking is and that brought the impeachment no look to the end of

01:39:28.220 that nobody cared nobody cared yeah and the funny thing too is we're talking about him changing the

01:39:33.500 quid pro quo argument but he hasn't even changed the perfect call argument

01:39:36.960 i don't think that's going to be his pattern here all right happy birthday pat thank you thank you

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01:41:53.320 all right you sick freak welcome to the program we want to go back to now devin nunes the republican

01:42:09.900 for cross-examination with the ambassador ambassador sondland in the 2016 election now they know it

01:42:17.880 they know it's true because we have financial records that show it so they were the democrats

01:42:25.420 were heavily involved working with ukrainians to dirty up the trump campaign in 2016.

01:42:31.780 so ambassador i want to go through just a few of the incidents that we know

01:42:35.140 i know you may not know all about them you may know about them now

01:42:39.280 but i want to walk through some of those examples of why the president may be very upset with ukraine

01:42:47.020 and think that that they're a country that's out to get him as i think both you've said that and

01:42:53.780 ambassador volker have said that from that may 23rd meeting the first question i have is were you aware

01:43:04.960 of the anti-trump efforts by dnc operative alexandra chalupa i'm not aware of it so in 2000

01:43:14.940 uh there's a 2017 are you aware of it now article

01:43:19.960 that also quotes uh ukrainian parliamentarian art domenko saying quote it was clear that they

01:43:28.900 were supporting meaning ukraine supporting hillary clinton's candidacy and they did everything from

01:43:34.660 organizing meetings with the clinton team to publicly supporting her to criticizing trump

01:43:39.400 i think that they simply didn't meet with the trump campaign because they thought

01:43:44.440 hillary would win

01:43:46.080 do you know that ukrainian official by any chance that i don't did that

01:43:51.000 were you aware that then ukrainian ambassador to the u.s

01:43:55.080 chalet wrote an op-ed in the hill during the 2016 presidential campaign criticizing

01:44:02.000 then candidate trump not aware but you know that this is no there's there's no credibility here

01:44:09.800 how can you go ahead and keep this up please how could you probably one of the more disturbing ones

01:44:14.460 is the ukrainian internal affairs minister avokov mocked and disparaged then candidate trump on facebook

01:44:21.480 and twitter

01:44:25.480 were you aware that sir helishenko a ukrainian parliamentarian admitted that part of his motivation

01:44:30.440 in spreading the information about the so-called black ledger a disputed document purporting to reveal

01:44:36.200 corruption by a former trump campaign official was to undermine the trump candidacy i wasn't aware

01:44:42.440 so you may be familiar the black ledger was used in the 2016 election to dirty up a campaign associate

01:44:49.860 and later moeller didn't use that as evidence in his report on election meddling

01:44:57.020 so knowing all these facts from high-ranking ukrainian officials ambassador

01:45:04.500 probably makes a little more sense now as to why the president may think that there's

01:45:10.320 problems with ukraine and that ukraine was out to out to get him

01:45:14.960 is that correct i understand your i understand your point yes chairman because you said uh you said in

01:45:23.660 your deposition and i'm just going to make sure this was your let's read it back to you

01:45:28.100 on page 279 for your legal team quote they are all corrupt this is your this is what you said about

01:45:38.300 your conversation with the president so this is your words about what the president told you this is the

01:45:44.280 may 23rd meeting that's correct they are all corrupt they are all terrible people and you know i don't want

01:45:51.580 to spend any time with that and he also said they tried to take me down that's correct

01:45:58.240 when they try to take him down i think any logical person that wants to do two plus two equals four

01:46:08.380 games would say that that was in the 2016 election wasn't it i believe that's what he was referring to

01:46:15.060 yes right ranking member so during all this time and remember in the spring the democrats russia hoax

01:46:23.660 wit uh witch hunt is still ongoing they're still claiming that president trump is a russian agent

01:46:30.280 they're out to get they're out to get president trump at the time his personal attorney is then

01:46:36.700 interested in trying to figure out okay who are these ukrainians that are trying to get to my

01:46:41.700 candidate as those of us the republicans on this committee who were also trying to get to the

01:46:46.460 bottom of who were the sources in the steel dossier that the democrats had paid for the house

01:46:52.580 republicans wanted to know that all through the spring and even the summer of and even as of today

01:46:58.260 we'd still like to know that's why we've subpoenaed this is uh on cross-examination and it hurts

01:47:05.260 sondland to not know all of these charges because it does change the context more in just a second

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01:48:30.420 we're back now with a cross-examination of house intelligence committee members questioning

01:48:59.980 ambassador sondland in the public hearing uh here is sondland's testimony to the republicans okay

01:49:07.460 and then that was may 23rd and then you never had any personal communications with giuliani until

01:49:12.320 august right uh that's correct and volker was handling ambassador volker was

01:49:17.360 volker perry and others okay um ambassador volker you testified he's a professional diplomat correct

01:49:27.820 yes he is um and you said you had a great relationship with him i do yes you said he

01:49:33.860 was a very smart guy yes um ambassador ivanovich said he's a brilliant diplomat in fact

01:49:39.120 you agree with that he's pretty pretty smart uh you you stated that he's one of those people i'd

01:49:45.560 hand my wallet to i would um and so did you hear his testimony yesterday i did not okay because

01:49:53.520 i was busy getting ready for you he didn't have any he didn't have any evidence of any of these

01:50:00.840 preconditions um and he was the one most engaged with the ukrainians wasn't he yes okay i mean you

01:50:07.740 testified and you know this was his full-time job although he was doing it for free he was the

01:50:12.660 special envoy uh and you testified you came in and out of the the events correct that's correct

01:50:19.200 okay uh your deposition we we we asked you about your communications with the president

01:50:24.260 um and we asked you whether there were so many that it would be impossible to chronicle

01:50:30.140 um and you said no it wasn't wasn't that many and

01:50:33.620 we went down the path of building a list of communications you uh remember with the president

01:50:42.180 right correct um we talked about may 23rd in the oval office yes um you mentioned on july 25th

01:50:49.740 before you went to ukraine you you called the president but there was no material information

01:50:54.520 on the 25th call correct not that i recall okay then the last friday mr holmes uh came in

01:51:01.140 and uh i guess his testimony refreshed your recollection yeah what refreshed my recollection

01:51:07.580 was when he when he uh mentioned asap rocky then all of a sudden it came back to me yeah and talking

01:51:14.060 about the miss president zelinski loving president and so forth well the whole thing sort of came back

01:51:20.080 to me after mentioned asap rocky and then the next time you know we tried to unpack this the next

01:51:26.940 time you talked with the president was on the telephone was september 9th according to your

01:51:32.020 deposition right i may have even spoken to him on september 6th but again i just don't have all

01:51:38.360 the records i wish i could get them then i could answer your questions very easily okay but on september

01:51:43.600 9th at least at your deposition you were extremely clear you called the president you said he was

01:51:47.980 feeling cranky that day right he seemed very cranky to me and you said in no uncertain terms and

01:51:53.940 this is on the heel of heels of the bill taylor text right right and why don't you tell us what

01:51:59.900 did the president uh say to you on september 9th that you remember well words to the effect i i decided

01:52:07.300 to ask the president the question in an open-ended fashion because there were so many different

01:52:13.180 scenarios floating around as to what was going on with ukraine so rather than ask the president nine

01:52:19.200 different questions is it this is it this is it that i just said what do you want from ukraine i may

01:52:24.740 have even used a four-letter word and he said i want nothing i want no quid pro quo i just want

01:52:31.880 zelensky to do the right thing to do what he ran on or words to that effect and that gave me the

01:52:37.060 impetus to respond to ambassador taylor with the text that i sent as i said to mr goldman it was not an

01:52:45.480 artfully written text i should have been more specific put it in quotes something like that but

01:52:51.020 basically i wanted mr taylor ambassador taylor to pick up the ball and take it from there i i had gone

01:52:57.600 as far as i could go and you believe the president correct you know what i'm not going to characterize

01:53:06.680 whether i believed or didn't believe i was just trying to convey what he said on the phone okay why

01:53:11.060 would you characterize you know that there was quid pro quo for the there was a news article for the

01:53:18.440 military aid when he had nothing to go on talking about it so by that point in time the president had

01:53:23.660 been receiving calls from senators he had been getting pressure uh to lift the aid correct uh that's what i

01:53:31.440 understand yes i want to turn back to your your opener on page five um under

01:53:40.060 when you talk about in the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid i later came

01:53:49.400 to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from

01:53:55.420 ukraine committing to the investigations correct correct and you acknowledge that

01:54:02.180 this is speculation right it was a presumption okay that you you it was a guess in fact i think you even

01:54:10.580 said this morning well i i want to say that it it goes back to mr goldman's pointer or chairman

01:54:17.480 shifts two plus two equaled four in my mind at that point okay but you didn't have any evidence of that

01:54:23.340 correct other than the aid wasn't being released and we weren't getting anywhere with the ukrainians

01:54:28.140 okay but did ambassador volker clue you in that that was the the issue i mean this is a pretty high

01:54:33.580 um i mean this is a a pretty serious conclusion you've reached without precise evidence well

01:54:40.920 i sent that email to secretary pompeo to set up a potential meeting between president trump and

01:54:48.320 president zielinski in warsaw and when i referred to the logjam i referred to the logjam in a very

01:54:55.720 inclusive way uh everything was jammed up at that point and secretary pompeo essentially um gave me

01:55:03.460 the green light to brief president zielinski about making those those uh announcements um okay we can

01:55:12.120 we can turn to that um and then that was your email dated what what date do you have the page there

01:55:22.040 well your email to secretary pompeo was that was that august 11th

01:55:27.520 uh august 22nd riveting page selection here oh it's great i love it when and then they both read

01:55:44.820 okay so you're asking secretary pompeo whether we should block time and i mean is there any discussion

01:55:49.700 of specific investigations is there any discussion of biden or burisma uh or anything linking to aid in

01:55:56.920 this in this email that you sent to pompeo no this this was a proposed briefing

01:56:02.660 that i was going to give president zielinski and i was going to call president zielinski and ask him

01:56:10.380 to say what is in this email and i was asking essentially president pompeo's permission to do that

01:56:16.900 which he said yes so but at that point in time we're talking about investigations into into the origins

01:56:26.060 of the 2016 election we're not talking about anything to do with joe biden joe biden did not

01:56:32.060 come up okay um stepping back a page to your your email to the state department on august 11th

01:56:40.560 um you email secretary pompeo and you say kurt and i negotiated a statement from zielinski to be delivered

01:56:49.760 for our review in a day or two and the question i have here is that i mean that statement never

01:56:56.300 was issued and in fact ambassador volker has testified that he didn't think it was a good

01:57:01.480 idea and ultimately the ukrainians didn't think it was a good idea and so the the statement never

01:57:05.620 reached a finalized um state that's correct um but even if it had it it doesn't talk about biden's or

01:57:16.820 burisma or anything insidious correct well the statement uh as as i recall would have mentioned

01:57:24.440 the 2016 election slash dnc server and burisma okay it would not have mentioned the biden's and

01:57:31.160 have you heard ambassador volker how he talks about what might be an investigation into burisma

01:57:36.220 outwardly tied to each other okay i mean he has said so that if there were ukrainians engaged in

01:57:43.580 violations of ukrainian law then the prosecutor general with the new administration ought to

01:57:49.580 investigate that

01:57:50.380 did ambassador volker ever relate that to you no we just talked in generic terms about

01:57:59.680 quote investigating burisma okay but it had nothing to do with vice president biden

01:58:03.760 i had never heard vice president biden come up until

01:58:07.000 very late in the game when i don't recall the exact date but when it all sort of came together

01:58:13.340 maybe after the transcript of the uh july 25th call i don't know i don't know the exact date when

01:58:19.200 i made the connection okay apparently a lot of people did not make the connection

01:58:23.800 okay i want to turn to the the letter from senator johnson he when he heard about some of these issues

01:58:32.880 in the hole of the aid he he wanted he called the president he called the president on august 31st

01:58:37.200 it's page six of his letter um senator johnson um states or he writes i asked him the president

01:58:44.660 whether there was some kind of arrangement where ukraine would take some action and the hole would be

01:58:49.960 lifted without hesitation president trump immediately denied such an arrangement existed

01:58:55.840 and senator johnson quotes the president saying

01:58:59.820 no and he he prefaced it with a different word

01:59:04.620 um no way i would never do that who told you that

01:59:09.480 i have um senator johnson says i have accurately characterized the president's reaction is adamant

01:59:16.140 vehement and angry senator johnson's telephone call with the president wasn't a public event

01:59:22.040 it it was capturing a genuine um you know moment with the president and and he had at this point

01:59:29.240 in time on august 31st he was adamant vehement and angry that there was no connections to to aid

01:59:37.620 there were no preconditions

01:59:39.340 yeah i had my meeting with senator johnson where again i had made the presumption that i had made to

01:59:47.240 both mr yermak and the email i had sent to secretary pompeo and we were sort of ruminating

01:59:55.020 about what was going on and senator johnson i believe said i'm going to call president trump

02:00:00.900 you know and find out and then he obviously had that phone call i wasn't involved in that phone call

02:00:05.620 okay but you have no reason to disbelieve that wasn't the way it went down right no no reason to

02:00:12.180 disbelieve senator johnson um and now that you've had some time since your deposition and you submitted

02:00:17.920 a an addendum relating to the warsaw uh get together with mr yermak someone doing some electric

02:00:25.940 shaving i mean are we missing a lot of your communications with the president i haven't

02:00:32.160 had that many communications with the president and in fact a bunch of the call records that i have

02:00:37.480 had access to just the short period of time on the call indicates i never got through in other words

02:00:43.900 i was put on hold for one or two minutes and the call never connected so i really can't give you an

02:00:48.900 accurate count of how many conversations plus mr castor i've had a lot of conversations with the

02:00:53.760 president about completely unrelated matters that have nothing to do with ukraine okay so but you

02:01:00.740 don't think we're missing any material conversations that you have at the president i i don't recall any

02:01:05.800 material conversations today as i'm sitting here or with so this is actually really good cross

02:01:11.400 examination here because what he's saying is look you jump to a conclusion then you wrote to pompeo and

02:01:19.400 said hey uh you know you have to do this but you weren't told by the president nobody um nobody

02:01:27.280 verified that and in fact as you are spreading this around uh the president is talking to people and he

02:01:36.760 is vehement no that's not what i want and in fact when you called him he said no that's there is no

02:01:44.040 quid pro quo i don't want that i want them to do just the right thing this is this is different this is

02:01:51.420 all the testimony that he just gave was that rudy giuliani said he's not meeting with the president

02:02:00.280 unless he gets a statement from them but you could excuse that because of all of the things that the

02:02:07.760 president felt ukraine was doing with good reason i have no he says in may i have no reason to meet

02:02:14.640 with these people they're bad people they're all corrupt why should i meet with them i want to see

02:02:19.700 them do something but when it comes to holding back all of the aid it's all coming from sonland

02:02:26.560 he's the source of saying it must be that and he's testifying here i didn't have any evidence of that

02:02:35.120 he said i believe it i believe that it was a logical conclusion of the evidence correct well i've got

02:02:41.300 logical conclusions as well right that doesn't make them accurate unless you can back them up you know

02:02:47.300 what the media is saying is a conspiracy theory no no we've shown you the documents it's not a

02:02:52.180 conspiracy theory it's all written down by them all the leadership all these people who are testifying

02:02:57.300 we have their documents that stops that from going from a theory or i just two plus two equals four

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Gordon Sondland： The Playoffs of Impeachment Hearings ｜ 11⧸20⧸19

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