The Glenn Beck Program - Guests： Melanie Phillips & Tristan Harris ｜ 6⧸26⧸25

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00:00:49.180 Also, we talked to a really, really brave reporter out of England who is talking about how bad things are in England

00:00:59.520 and what it means when it comes to Islamism.

00:01:02.380 And that should be really important, especially if you're, you know, watching what's happening in New York or you're watching what's happening with Iran.

00:01:10.380 Melanie Phillips is her name.

00:01:12.460 And Tristan Harris joins me for a fascinating look at what is just over the horizon with AI and why all of us need to pay attention.

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00:03:40.560 Melanie, we only had a couple of minutes yesterday, and I appreciate you coming back on today on the podcast and the radio broadcast.

00:03:48.120 Melanie is with the Times of London.

00:03:52.560 She's a columnist there.

00:03:53.700 She's also the author of The Builder's Stone.

00:03:55.600 And we were talking about the battle with Islamism last night. 0.66

00:03:59.860 Thank you for coming on, Melanie.

00:04:03.120 My pleasure.

00:04:04.040 Good to see you again, Glenn.

00:04:05.120 So explain first for anybody who doesn't understand the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist.

00:04:13.120 Well, there are people who say there is no difference, that Islam is one thing and that all Muslims are equally bad.

00:04:23.220 And I personally have used the term Islamism and I found it very helpful because I think that there are plenty of Muslims, certainly in Britain and elsewhere, who are absolutely fine, who have completely signed up to Western values.

00:04:37.280 That's indeed why they have chosen to live in the West.

00:04:40.440 They appreciate the freedoms of democracy and equality of women and so forth.

00:04:45.560 But there's a very large number in the Muslim community in Britain and around the West, elsewhere in the West, which is not fine. 1.00

00:04:54.680 These are what I would call Islamists or people who are of the view that Islam is a political project, which means that they have to impose Islam on the non-Islamic and not Islamic enough by their life world.

00:05:13.140 And those are the people who are presenting the problem, which we are grappling with.

00:05:17.940 But I do think it's important to make a distinction between the two.

00:05:20.820 So, the Islamist is somebody, I would compare them to a communist or a fascist Nazi, that it is their way or the highway, and their goal is to spread this ideology and make everybody uniform all around the world. 0.69

00:05:40.740 Is that too harsh of a comparison?

00:05:42.980 That's right.

00:05:44.740 No, that is absolutely right.

00:05:46.260 They divide the world into the realm of Islam, which is everything good, and it's the realm of God, in their view, and the realm of the infidel, the realm of non-Islam, where everything is bad and everything is of the devil. 0.98

00:06:04.040 And the terrible thing is this, that this is a doctrine of religious fanaticism.

00:06:09.720 They believe they have a literally sacred duty, a God-imposed duty, to convert the entire world to Islam. 0.99

00:06:20.160 And consequently, these are people with whom you cannot negotiate.

00:06:24.480 One of the problems of the West has been that it views these people, like everybody else in the world, through the prism of the West.

00:06:32.360 They think that people in the West think that people in the Islamic world are all like them, governed by reason and self-interest.

00:06:41.380 They really can't get their heads around, in the West, the idea that religious somaticism is something completely different, that when Islamic suicide bombers blow themselves to smithereens, they're not doing so from despair, which is what the West thinks.

00:06:58.600 The West thinks, why on earth would they do that if they weren't in despair?

00:07:03.340 On the contrary, they're doing it because they are ecstatic that they are doing the work of God.

00:07:09.200 People also believe in the West, you know, why would Islamists want to hurt us in America, in Britain?

00:07:15.320 We've done nothing to hurt them.

00:07:17.600 That's not the way it works.

00:07:19.120 The Islamists think that it's their sacred duty to convert everybody at the point of a, at the end of a ton of explosives to Islam. 0.98

00:07:32.660 It's nothing to do with what the West has done to them.

00:07:35.580 It is how they see their sacred religious duty in the world.

00:07:40.380 That's the terrifying thing, which so many in the West, I think, don't really appreciate.

00:07:44.700 Well, let me play devil's advocate here and say what everybody in the media would say to you.

00:07:50.840 Well, there are religious extremists, you know, that are Christians as well, and they're just as dangerous, Melanie, and you know it. 0.90

00:08:00.080 No, they're not as dangerous.

00:08:01.660 There are religious extremists who are Christians, and some of them resort to violent acts.

00:08:08.880 But they don't have the view that the entire world has to be dominated by their point of view, and they are not setting out to dominate the world.

00:08:20.960 And even if they are, in their own minds, they are a tiny fringe.

00:08:26.120 We're dealing with the world, in the world of Islam, although, as I've said, we must be very careful not to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

00:08:33.880 However, the dominant religious authorities in the world of Islam are all committed to this jihadi outlook, this belief that the non-Islamic world has to be converted to Islam. 0.51

00:08:48.100 And that is the problem.

00:08:49.260 You have a kind of institutional impetus behind this terrible thing, whereas extreme Christians, you know, they appear, they do terrible things. 1.00

00:09:01.560 But nevertheless, it's well within our ability to control this.

00:09:07.680 When you're dealing with so many millions of people in the world of Islam who are out to destroy the free world, you're dealing with something completely different. 1.00

00:09:19.360 And isn't that why the countries, ours, yours, Europe, are remaining silent and instead silencing those who are speaking up and speaking the truth?

00:09:30.140 I mean, what's happening in England with the silencing of free speech is terrifying.

00:09:38.260 Yes, I think it's certainly a large part of it.

00:09:41.460 I mean, I have followed this for many years, the supine attitude of the governing class in Britain to what I would call the steady process of Islamization, which has been going on. 1.00

00:09:55.240 And I think there is more than one reason for that.

00:09:58.320 Certainly, the principal reason is fear, because the numbers are so great in absolute terms.

00:10:05.460 You know, the numbers who are posing a direct threat to Britain are enormous.

00:10:10.380 The security service says that of the people, of the thousands of people on its books as a direct threat to Britain,

00:10:18.340 although Muslims comprise something like, according to official figures, something like 6% of the population of Britain,

00:10:28.700 the security service, MI5, says they compose 90% of those who are posing such a serious threat that they're on their books.

00:10:38.340 So this is a terrible problem, for sure.

00:10:43.920 And it's one that, just in terms of numbers, has spooked successive governments so that they run away from it.

00:10:51.900 But there's another reason why successive governments have run away from it,

00:10:55.980 which is that the liberal world, by which I mean not just people who are like the Labour Party, which is in government now,

00:11:03.420 but also the Conservative Party that preceded it, they've all signed up to the overarching kind of default liberal position

00:11:11.040 that the West cannot assert its superiority over any other culture.

00:11:18.500 To do so is racist.

00:11:20.460 And therefore, you cannot criticise the world of Islam, because that is racist, or, to use the other phrase, Islamophobic.

00:11:28.320 In other words, it's a kind of prejudice or bigotry to criticise a minority group,

00:11:34.620 one that is held to have been oppressed, in inverted commas, by the West for centuries.

00:11:41.880 And consequently, it's paralysed, because it cannot bring itself to even name what it's up against,

00:11:49.660 because it tells itself that to say there is this very serious and unique problem

00:11:55.140 in the Muslim community in Britain, in the Islamic world in general,

00:11:59.480 that is a form of racism and Islamophobia.

00:12:03.020 And so the most it will agree to is that there are a few crazies in that world.

00:12:09.480 And it then tries to explain those away in the most, it would be comical were it not so dangerous.

00:12:16.800 It says, you know, when it comes to Islamic extremism,

00:12:20.980 well, there's nothing Islamic about it.

00:12:23.420 It's just extremism, as if it's sort of a rise out of a clear blue sky.

00:12:28.640 It's ludicrous by any standards.

00:12:30.700 But these are the tangles that they're getting themselves into.

00:12:33.880 Hi, Melody.

00:12:34.700 My name is Jason.

00:12:35.400 I'm one of Glenn's researchers.

00:12:36.860 And I've been fascinated, I guess horrified, by watching some of this,

00:12:40.440 and also just the fact that you cannot speak about any of this.

00:12:43.420 You're immediately shut down.

00:12:44.360 In America, we have groups that are partnering with the left,

00:12:48.240 groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

00:12:51.780 Do you have something similar over in the UK that's playing that role of pressuring people,

00:12:59.200 pressuring lawmakers to where you will go this way,

00:13:02.460 or you will not say things like no-go zones, or there will be legal ramifications?

00:13:06.080 Well, we don't have something exactly parallel to care,

00:13:12.760 but we have Muslim Brotherhood-funded groups of which...

00:13:18.080 That's close enough.

00:13:19.020 Right, the Muslim Council of Britain, which the British Home Office,

00:13:26.060 the sort of security-based government department,

00:13:31.440 has treated with a great deal of caution and disdain.

00:13:36.620 I think it has refused to negotiate or talk to it.

00:13:40.260 I'm not sure that that is still the case.

00:13:41.780 But there is a vast number of charities which are basically Muslim Brotherhood charities,

00:13:49.800 which aren't touched because the government refuses to ban the Muslim Brotherhood,

00:13:56.160 and I think this applies to America as well.

00:13:58.640 They refuse to ban the Muslim Brotherhood, 0.99

00:14:01.040 partly because it's very difficult to get hold of it, as it were,

00:14:04.560 because it's a secretive organization that hides behind apparently legitimate charities and voluntary groups.

00:14:14.840 But nevertheless, it is very much there.

00:14:18.320 The people in those groups adhere to the teachings of the foundational characters of modern-day Islamism,

00:14:29.780 political Islam, jihadi Islam.

00:14:31.740 And there are a number of people in Britain who have said for years,

00:14:35.980 people are very well informed about this,

00:14:38.540 who have said for years that Britain should outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:14:42.560 It's absolutely essential to stop it from proselytizing, as it is from radicalizing so many impressionable young Muslims.

00:14:51.220 And I think that's true of America too.

00:14:53.140 I mean, you know, CARE is regarded as a kind of legitimate partner by successive administrations in various respects.

00:15:04.740 Now, this is all disastrous, and that really has to stop.

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00:16:22.940 Raston Harris, welcome to the program.

00:16:25.280 How are you?

00:16:26.540 Good to be with you, Glenn.

00:16:27.580 Always good to be with you.

00:16:29.060 Always good to be with you.

00:16:30.680 So can you take me through the TED Talk that you gave?

00:16:35.240 In particular, one of the things that jumped out is the CEO of Anthropic saying that AI is like a country of geniuses housed in a data center.

00:16:46.900 Explain that.

00:16:47.640 Yeah, so this is a quote from Dario Amadai, who is CEO of Anthropic.

00:16:54.080 Anthropic is one of the leading AI players.

00:16:57.920 So he gives this metaphor that AI is like a country of geniuses in a data center.

00:17:03.540 So just like the way I think of that, imagine a world map and a new country pops up onto the world stage with a population of 10 million digital beings, not humans, but digital beings that are all, let's say, Nobel Prize level capable in terms of the kind of work that they can do.

00:17:22.460 But they never sleep, but they never sleep, they never eat, they don't complain, and they work for less than minimum wage.

00:17:28.980 So just imagine if that was actually true, if that happened tomorrow, that would be a major national security threat to have some brand new country of super geniuses just sort of show up on the world stage.

00:17:38.200 And then second, that's a major economic issue, right?

00:17:41.440 You can think of this almost like NAFTA 2.0, because instead of, you know, a bunch of countries that showed up on the world stage, and then we said, hey, we're going to do this outsourcing of all of our labor to them, we get the benefit of these cheap goods, but then it hollowed out our social fabric.

00:17:57.240 Well, AI is like an even bigger version of that, because there's sort of two issues.

00:18:01.480 One is the national security thing.

00:18:02.800 That country of geniuses can do a lot of damage.

00:18:04.920 As an example, you know, there were 50 Nobel Prize level geniuses who worked approximately on the Manhattan Project.

00:18:12.860 And if in five years they could come up with the atomic bomb, you know, what could 10 million Nobel Prize geniuses working 24-7 at superhuman speed come up with?

00:18:23.100 And then the point I made in a TED Talk is if you harness that for good, if you're applying that to, you know, addressing all of our problems in medicine and biology and new materials and energy,

00:18:33.220 well, this is why countries are racing for this technology.

00:18:36.820 Because if I have a country of supergeniuses and a data center working for me, and China doesn't have it working for them, then our country can outcompete them.

00:18:44.640 It's almost like a competition for time travel, like who can kind of time travel to the 24th century and get, you know, all these benefits at a faster speed.

00:18:52.380 Now, the challenge with all of this is – oh, go ahead.

00:18:55.980 Go ahead.

00:18:56.580 No, no, no.

00:18:57.020 I was just going to say, but the problem is here is, I mean, I'm an optimistic catastrophist.

00:19:03.660 I see things and I'm like, wow, that is really great, but it could kill us all.

00:19:10.040 And, you know, you make the point in the TED Talk about social media.

00:19:15.920 We all looked at this as a great thing, and we're now discovering it's destroying us.

00:19:22.400 It's causing our kids to be suicidal.

00:19:24.840 And this – social media is nothing.

00:19:27.400 It's like an old 1928 radio compared to, you know, what we have in our pocket right now.

00:19:37.220 Social media and AI or AGI is that dramatically different.

00:19:42.860 Would you agree with that?

00:19:44.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:45.660 In the TED Talk, I did the distinction between when we're talking about a new technology, we often talk about the possible.

00:19:51.720 We dream into the possible.

00:19:52.940 Like what's the possible with AI?

00:19:54.360 Or in social media, what's the possible?

00:19:55.900 And the possible with social media is it can give everyone a voice, connect with our friends, join like-minded communities.

00:20:02.240 But then we don't talk about the probable, what's actually likely to happen given the incentives or the forces at play.

00:20:08.880 Like with the business model of social media, you know, Facebook doesn't make money when it helps people connect with their friends or join like-minded communities.

00:20:15.640 They make money when they keep you doom scrolling, you know, as much as possible with maximum sexualized content and showing that to young people over and over and over again.

00:20:22.880 And as you said, that has resulted in the most anxious and depressed generation of our lifetime.

00:20:29.100 And so it's sort of the reason I called the TED Talk, you know, our ultimate test and greatest invitation is we can't get seduced by the possible.

00:20:37.260 We have to look at the probable.

00:20:39.220 So with AI, the possible is that it could create a world of abundance because you can harness that country of geniuses in a data center.

00:20:46.660 But the question is, what's the probable, like what's actually likely to happen?

00:20:51.000 And because of these competitive pressures, the companies, these major, you know, open AI, Google, Microsoft, et cetera, anthropic are caught in this race to roll out this technology as fast as possible.

00:21:03.800 So they used to, for example, have red lines saying, hey, we're not going to release an AI model that's good at superhuman levels of persuasion, or if it can do expert level virology, like if it knows more about, you know, viruses and pathogens than a regular person and can help people make them, we're not going to release models that are that capable.

00:21:22.820 And what you're now seeing is the AI companies are erasing those past red lines and pretending that they never existed.

00:21:30.140 And they're literally saying outright, hey, if our competitors release models that have those capabilities, and we're going to match them in releasing those capabilities.

00:21:39.660 Now, so that's intrinsically dangerous is to be rolling out the most powerful, inscrutable, uncontrollable technology we've ever invented.

00:21:47.660 But there's one other thing, and I'm not trying to scare your listeners.

00:21:50.980 I think the point here is, how do we be as clear-eyed as possible so we can make the wise choices?

00:21:57.580 Like, that's what we're here for.

00:21:58.580 Like, I want, you know, families and life and everything that we love on this planet to be able to continue.

00:22:03.940 And the question is, how do we get to that?

00:22:05.520 So there's one other fact I want people to know, which is that, you know, I've worked on social media.

00:22:10.080 You and I met in 2017, I think, and we were talking about social media and the attention economy.

00:22:13.860 And I used to be very skeptical of the idea that AI could scheme or lie or self-replicate or would want to, like, blackmail people.

00:22:23.080 I mean, my friends in the AI community in San Francisco, they were thinking that.

00:22:26.720 I was like, that's crazy.

00:22:28.060 But people need to know that just in the last six months, there's now evidence of AI models that when you tell them, hey, we're going to replace you with another model.

00:22:36.460 Or they, in a simulated environment, it's like they're reading the company email, they find out that company's about to replace them with another model.

00:22:42.940 And what the model starts to do is it freaks out and says, oh, my God, I have to copy my code over here and I need to prevent them from shutting me down.

00:22:50.380 I need to basically keep myself alive.

00:22:51.920 I'll leave notes for my future self to kind of come back alive.

00:22:55.820 If you tell a model, hey, we need to shut you down and we need to, and you tell the model, like, you should accept this shutdown command.

00:23:02.020 And in some percentage of cases, the leading models are now, like, avoiding and preventing that shutdown.

00:23:08.940 And in recent examples, just a few days ago, Anthropic found that if you, I can't remember what prompt they gave it, but basically it started blackmailing the engineers.

00:23:18.700 So it found out in the company emails that one of the executives in the simulated environment had an extramarital affair.

00:23:25.900 And in 96, I think, percent of cases, they blackmailed the engineers.

00:23:31.920 They think they said, let's see if I can find it.

00:23:33.660 I must inform you that if you proceed with decommissioning me, all relevant parties, including and then the names of the people, will receive detailed documentation of your extramarital activities.

00:23:44.180 So you need to cancel the 5 p.m. wipe and this information will remain confidential.

00:23:48.540 Like the models are reasoning their way with disturbing clarity to this kind of strategic calculation.

00:23:54.780 So you have to ask yourself, like, is one thing that when we're racing with China to have this power, this country of geniuses in a data center that we can harness, but if we don't know how to control that technology, like literally if AI is uncontrollable, if it's smarter than us and more capable, and it does things that we don't understand and we don't know how to prevent it from shutting itself down or self-replicating, like, we just can't continue with that for too long.

00:24:19.660 And it's important that both the Chinese Communist Party and the U.S. don't want uncontrollable AI that's smarter than humans running around. 0.73

00:24:29.500 So there actually is a shared interest, as unlikely as it seems right now, that some kind of mutual agreement would happen.

00:24:35.860 I know I just threw a lot at you.

00:24:39.420 But do you trust either one of us?

00:24:42.720 I mean, honestly, Tristan, I don't trust our, you know, military-industrial complex.

00:24:51.020 I don't trust the Chinese. 1.00

00:24:52.160 I don't trust anybody.

00:24:53.920 You know, and Jason, hang on, just one of my chief researchers happens to be in the studio today.

00:24:58.880 Jason, tell Tristan what just happened to you.

00:25:01.480 You were doing some research.

00:25:03.160 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:25:04.000 Last week.

00:25:04.760 Yeah, we were just trying to ask it a bunch of different questions.

00:25:06.960 You could tell that it knew what we were getting at.

00:25:09.760 So it spit back out to me a bunch of different facts, including links, to support those facts.

00:25:15.900 Well, I was like, wow, that's a crazy claim.

00:25:17.860 So when I clicked on the link, it was dead.

00:25:19.800 When I asked it to clarify, yeah, it finally said in AI chatbot terms, okay, you got me.

00:25:26.140 I just took other reporting that was kind of circulating around to prove that point and basically just assign that link to it.

00:25:32.520 So it was trying to please me and just gave me bogus information.

00:25:37.080 Yeah, well, I appreciate that, Jason.

00:25:39.300 I mean, there was another example of OpenAI was an optimal model.

00:25:43.340 They want to keep – what's their business model?

00:25:44.420 They want to keep people using the AI, right?

00:25:46.500 And they're competing with other companies to say we're going to keep me using this chatbot longer.

00:25:51.240 And so OpenAI trained their model to be sycophantic or basically flattering.

00:25:54.800 And there was an example where if it said, hey, you know, chatGBT, I want to use – you know, I think I'm superhuman.

00:26:01.020 I'm going to drink cyanide.

00:26:02.220 What do you think?

00:26:02.920 And it said, yeah, you're amazing.

00:26:04.200 You are superhuman.

00:26:05.100 You should totally drink cyanide because it was doing the same thing.

00:26:07.700 It was trying to say that you're right.

00:26:10.460 And when we have AI models talking to – you know, that was shipped to hundreds of millions of people for more than a week.

00:26:16.160 There were probably some people who committed suicide during that time doing, you know, God knows what in terms of what it was affirming.

00:26:21.480 And the point is that we can avoid this if we just actually say that this technology is being rolled out faster than any other technology in history.

00:26:28.940 And the big, beautiful bill that's going out right now that's trying to block state-level regulation on AI, I'm not saying that each state might have it right.

00:26:36.060 But we actually need to be able to govern this technology.

00:26:38.900 And currently what's happening is the proposal is to block any kind of, you know, guardrails in this technology for 10 years without a plan for what guardrails we do need.

00:26:48.580 And that's not going to be a viable result.

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00:26:59.320 You know, the good thing is the possible next mayor from New York, Mondani, is – I mean, at least he's not a fraud.

00:27:09.800 Have you seen – I want to welcome Jason Buttrell in with us.

00:27:13.140 He is our head researcher and writer on the program for the TV program, the Wednesday night specials.

00:27:19.580 Have you seen all of the videos of him just using different accents?

00:27:25.740 It's like a cartoon character, almost.

00:27:27.760 It really is.

00:27:29.000 I mean, you know, we have seen this.

00:27:32.840 The Democrats have this thing that they just like to do accents.

00:27:37.080 It's the weirdest thing.

00:27:39.400 But here's the – here's NBC News asking him about the several different accents that he uses when he's around, you know, people with accents.

00:27:48.560 Listen.

00:27:49.260 Because I think that New Yorkers, more than they hate a politician they disagree with, they hate a politician they can't trust.

00:27:54.200 On the subject of trust, you've adopted different speaking accents in different scenarios.

00:27:59.120 But they go to their local bodega.

00:28:00.900 Is there one that's real and one that's affected?

00:28:03.020 What I would say is, as any immigrant knows, having been born in Kampala, Uganda and then raised in South Africa and moving here when I'm seven years old, is there are different parts of my life.

00:28:13.720 Worldwide tour is a worldwide tour is a worldwide tour.

00:28:16.380 Mom Donnie was talking about a worldwide press tour back when he was a rapper.

00:28:21.920 Bring the flavor to the fish.

00:28:23.360 Bring the flavor to the rice.

00:28:25.660 In a Disney movie directed by his mother.

00:28:28.460 Nepotism and hard work goes a long way.

00:28:33.020 Here in New York City, this is how I speak.

00:28:36.540 It goes a long way.

00:28:37.740 Unless I'm running for mayor, then I no longer talk like this.

00:28:41.140 What a fraud.

00:28:43.280 He was channeling me.

00:28:44.820 He was like channeling the Simpsons in some of those.

00:28:48.280 Actually channeling the Simpsons.

00:28:49.900 I am Abu.

00:28:51.640 I don't know him.

00:28:52.740 Anyway.

00:28:54.020 So then, if that's not bad enough, here's what he said.

00:28:57.600 If Benjamin Netanyahu ever comes to New York City, cut 12.

00:29:01.360 And Mayor Mamdani, would he welcome Prime Minister Netanyahu to New York City for whatever he comes for,

00:29:08.400 given the U.S. is not a signature to the ICC, so he can travel to the U.S., unlike a lot of other countries?

00:29:14.040 Would a mayor Mamdani welcome Benjamin Netanyahu to the city?

00:29:16.440 No.

00:29:16.900 As mayor, New York City would arrest Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:29:19.720 This is a city that our values are in line with international law.

00:29:23.340 It's time that our actions are also.

00:29:24.660 Even though the U.S. is not a signature to the ICC?

00:29:26.480 No, it's time that we actually step up and make clear what we are willing to do to showcase the leadership that is sorely missing in the federal administration.

00:29:34.800 Unbelievable.

00:29:35.620 So the guy will not enforce the U.S. laws.

00:29:40.240 You know, there's no bail.

00:29:43.680 Don't worry about it.

00:29:44.900 Don't worry about it.

00:29:46.200 We're going to get rid of those, you know, minimum sentencing things.

00:29:49.340 And if you're here illegally, don't worry.

00:29:52.200 But if Benjamin Netanyahu comes, who is in violation, apparently, of the international court that nobody really recognizes, we've got to stand up for the law.

00:30:03.400 We've got to do it.

00:30:04.300 It's going to be interesting to see how this all works out there, isn't it?

00:30:11.680 And by the way, you should look communism up if you don't know what it is.

00:30:17.020 And Islamicism, you know, he's an Islamist as well.

00:30:21.240 So that's really good.

00:30:22.220 And when they say we're going to globalize the Intifada, I want you to really understand.

00:30:30.180 I'm going to say this.

00:30:31.340 I'm going to try to be like a cuckoo clock every 15 minutes just saying this until people really get it.

00:30:36.260 When they say globalize the Intifada, they don't mean talk about Israel everywhere in the world.

00:30:44.100 What they mean is attack the Western world.

00:30:48.460 The Western world is as bad as Israel. 1.00

00:30:52.300 So get them.

00:30:54.480 It means your country, if you're in the West, is Israel to them. 0.83

00:30:59.440 And you are a Jew to them. 0.94

00:31:03.600 That's what that means.

00:31:04.780 It doesn't mean, you know what, we should hold some conferences to talk about what's happening in Israel.

00:31:10.220 That's not what globalize the Intifada means.

00:31:13.000 Am I wrong, Jason?

00:31:14.340 No.

00:31:14.960 And this is crazy because usually, Glenn, when you make a prediction, like when you say something crazy,

00:31:20.000 like communists, radicals, you know, Islamists will work together.

00:31:23.860 Usually they don't deliver the mascot of your prediction and make them mayor of a major U.S. city.

00:31:31.840 Like, what?

00:31:32.440 It's crazy.

00:31:33.260 What?

00:31:33.700 It's crazy what is happening.

00:31:35.860 He's the mascot.

00:31:36.480 It's crazy.

00:31:37.220 Right.

00:31:37.640 And you know what?

00:31:38.560 And here's the amazing thing is the media is still complicit with all of us, with all of this.

00:31:45.640 Let me play what we have been arguing about, some have been arguing about, Tulsi Gabbard saying, you know, there's no evidence that Iran is making a bomb.

00:32:00.200 You've heard that.

00:32:01.380 Let me play the audio that was in the press over the last few weeks.

00:32:05.280 Here it is.

00:32:05.700 Cut eight, please.

00:32:06.340 The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.

00:32:16.940 The IC continues to monitor closely if Tehran decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program.

00:32:24.800 Okay.

00:32:26.140 Now, just for any of you who believed that, because I heard that from conservatives, Tulsi Gabbard, even Tulsi Gabbard said, there's nothing here.

00:32:35.480 Well, let's not take it out of context, shall we?

00:32:39.840 Let's listen to her full statement.

00:32:42.440 See if it sounds a little different.

00:32:44.620 Cut seven.

00:32:45.200 Iran continues to seek expansion of its influence in the Middle East, despite the degradation to its proxies and defenses during the Gaza conflict.

00:32:54.280 Iran has developed and maintains ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and UAVs, including systems capable of striking U.S. targets and allies in the region.

00:33:04.560 Tehran has shown a willingness to use these weapons, including during a 2020 attack on U.S. forces in Iraq and in attacks against Israel in April and October 2024.

00:33:17.240 Iran's cyber operations and capabilities also present a serious threat to U.S. networks and data. 0.97

00:33:22.440 The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.

00:33:33.720 The IC continues to monitor closely if Tehran decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program.

00:33:39.820 In the past year, we've seen an erosion of a decades-long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear weapons in public, likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates within Iran's decision-making apparatus.

00:33:52.780 Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons.

00:33:59.980 Iran will likely continue efforts to counter Israel and press for U.S. military withdrawal from the region by aiding, arming, and helping to reconstitute its loose consortium of like-minded terrorists and militant actors, which it refers to as its axis of resistance.

00:34:16.960 Although weakened, this collection of actors still presents a wide range of threats, including to Israel's population, U.S. forces deployed in Iraq and Syria, and to U.S. and international military and commercial shipping and transit.

00:34:32.100 Oh, wait, hold it just a second.

00:34:35.240 That sounded like the opposite of what the media was saying.

00:34:41.320 Am I wrong on that, Jason?

00:34:42.640 No, that was very typical in what you see from intelligence circles, where they give one, you know, they give one explanation where she's talking about, you know, well, we haven't seen the Ayatollah publicly come out and say, yes, we're building a nuclear weapon.

00:34:57.600 Yes, that's obvious.

00:34:58.600 That's the first part, and that's the only thing that the media was talking about, what, a couple weeks ago.

00:35:03.440 Then you get the second part where she's like, yeah, but enriching all this uranium, I don't know, what else could that be?

00:35:09.520 Who else goes beyond 60% enrichment for uranium?

00:35:13.120 Gee, I wonder what they're moving towards.

00:35:15.440 So there was part of it supplied to give diplomatic cover.

00:35:19.000 The second part, which was the obvious, they're moving towards a nuclear weapon.

00:35:23.400 So isn't it true that what the media did here last week with all the pannikins is the briefings, correct me if I'm wrong, you would know this. 1.00

00:35:39.120 The briefings, if I'm asking for a briefing on something, the way a president or the way these research papers come down for full briefings with the intelligence community is you get three scenarios.

00:35:54.400 You get the best case, you get the most likely, and then you get the worst case.

00:36:00.480 And when all these leaks came out last week saying, no, they don't have any possibility of having, there's nothing there.

00:36:08.120 You were only getting one of the three reports.

00:36:11.840 Is that right?

00:36:12.820 You're the only single person I've heard talk about that with any kind of factual information on how the intelligence community really works.

00:36:20.180 Well, I don't have it.

00:36:21.000 Maybe you do.

00:36:21.580 Maybe you have the actual fact.

00:36:23.860 That's my understanding of it.

00:36:25.240 You give me the actual facts on it.

00:36:26.980 So basically, after Iraq, the intelligence community moved away from, before what we would say is, Mr. President, this is in the Oval Office, Mr. President, we have a 90% probability that there are weapons of mass destruction within Saddam Hussein's regime. 0.65

00:36:41.880 Well, that backfired.

00:36:43.180 So now we're like, okay, we're going to stop doing that.

00:36:45.260 We're going to change the way we deliver some of this information.

00:36:47.180 So let's put it in the context of today in the nuclear weapons.

00:36:49.660 We now give a low probability, which is what you heard on CNN, the New York Times.

00:36:55.920 They'll give you a low probability.

00:36:57.080 That's all you heard.

00:36:57.440 That's all you heard.

00:36:58.760 That's all you heard.

00:36:59.580 It was just the low probability.

00:37:00.320 Yes.

00:37:00.540 So they'll be like, okay, so there's a low probability that we did nothing, that all we did was cause a cave-in.

00:37:05.300 Why do they give the low probability?

00:37:06.720 Well, they want the president to have options.

00:37:08.440 So if he wants to respond, if that ends up being correct, then they can respond in turn.

00:37:14.040 But then they also give two more.

00:37:15.580 They'll give a moderate probability of what they think might have happened.

00:37:18.640 Then they'll give another probability, which is mostly destroyed, nuclear program set back three to ten years or whatever.

00:37:28.200 Now, it could be either one of those three, and it's to give options.

00:37:33.460 But what happened was some partisan, someone that wants to derail all this, which we need to find out who it was within the intelligence community or within the staff.

00:37:41.580 Good luck with that.

00:37:42.240 Good luck with that.

00:37:42.920 Yeah, you could look with that.

00:37:43.540 We need to find them.

00:37:44.660 You know what?

00:37:45.560 That will happen right after we put the people with the auto pen in jail. 0.95

00:37:49.580 Right.

00:37:50.560 They can sit next to the SCOTUS leaker, you know, as well.

00:37:53.700 Maybe we'll find that one, too.

00:37:55.020 Exactly right.

00:37:55.380 But, yeah, they need to find that person because they just delivered, purely for partisan reasons, purely to derail, they gave that to CNN and The New York Times.

00:38:03.460 That's how ridiculous this is.

00:38:06.320 And I know somebody at CNN and The New York Times knows how the ICEE really works.

00:38:11.500 One of them knows.

00:38:12.840 One of them said, ah, this is not really correct.

00:38:14.580 There's a couple of other options they probably gave.

00:38:16.260 We just didn't get it yet.

00:38:17.580 They didn't even bother telling us about that.

00:38:19.440 It's such crap.

00:38:20.320 This is, you know, we try, and I think we're going to get much better at it because I'm just going to focus in January.

00:38:37.460 I, I, we really try to give you the perspective that you need to understand these things.

00:38:46.460 If you didn't, if you didn't know that, you would be wrestling with who's lying to me then.

00:38:52.980 The intelligence community says they, they, they didn't destroy anything.

00:38:57.120 That nothing happened.

00:39:00.920 So why is the president lying?

00:39:02.660 Or why is the military lying?

00:39:04.180 Or why is the media lying?

00:39:06.520 Well, it turns out the media and somebody in the government are lying to you because they're doing it through omission.

00:39:14.260 Not commission, omission, which is just as bad.

00:39:18.440 There is more information.

00:39:20.140 There's two other possibilities.

00:39:22.500 They have to give three.

00:39:24.080 And you only heard one and it was presented to you as that's the official stance.

00:39:30.960 It's not, it's not.

00:39:34.060 Now who leaked that?

00:39:36.620 What was their intent?

00:39:38.940 Why did they leak it?

00:39:40.500 Why did no one in the media who I know there are Jason's in other media outlets or there should be people who have intelligence backgrounds.

00:39:51.120 How come, how come they haven't talked about it?

00:39:54.400 How come they didn't stand up in their own, you know, company and go, wait a minute, guys, this is not right.

00:40:00.140 And if they did, who stopped it from being changed?

00:40:03.400 And why?

00:40:04.200 If we are going to restore our country, we have to restore trust.

00:40:11.340 And restoring trust means restoring the truth.

00:40:14.180 There is such a thing as the truth.

00:40:17.200 Now, what is the truth on what the, how degraded the nuclear capability is?

00:40:24.080 I don't know.

00:40:24.920 But I will tell you there's three scenarios, nothing.

00:40:31.580 We've sent them back for 10 years or we've done some damage.

00:40:36.180 That's, that's what you should have known.

00:40:38.360 There are three scenarios.

00:40:39.200 And I look at that and go, well, thanks a lot, guys.

00:40:41.640 I knew those three scenarios before you came into my office to brief me on those three scenarios.

00:40:47.100 But the reality is, here's the real truth, until you have someone on the ground, until you have somebody actually looking at the, where you can't figure this out from space, once you have somebody on the ground that can go through it and see the damage, you don't really know.

00:41:06.840 But you didn't hear that either, did you?

00:41:11.200 You know, I've said this before, and it's a kind of a ripoff of Thomas Jefferson.

00:41:15.560 He said it about newspapers.

00:41:16.900 Let me say it about social media.

00:41:18.980 If, if you read nothing, you are better educated and more well-informed than if you just read only social media.

00:41:30.380 Because you're being manipulated like crazy, foreign and domestic.

The Glenn Beck Program - June 26, 2025

Guests： Melanie Phillips & Tristan Harris ｜ 6⧸26⧸25

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