The Glenn Beck Program - Has The 'Cold' Civil War Begun？ (with Gavin McInnes and Giancarlo Sopo)

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00:00:07.900 Glenn Beck.

00:00:10.140 All cops are racist!

00:00:11.940 Nobody a racist!

00:00:13.560 All cops are racist!

00:00:15.540 Nobody a racist!

00:00:17.180 All cops are racist!

00:00:18.960 Now these are just counter-protesters.

00:00:20.800 These are just, these aren't anybody that we should worry about.

00:00:24.060 You know, there are thousands of them on the streets,

00:00:26.100 and, you know, some of them actually kidnapping and holding against their will federal agents,

00:00:31.600 but they're just counter-protests.

00:00:33.160 They're peaceful protesters.

00:00:34.720 What we should care about are the 24 Nazis that showed up over the weekend for the Unite the Right rally.

00:00:46.520 Well, first of all, you know, the right really doesn't want to unite with Nazis.

00:00:51.780 You know, especially, you know, we have a problem with the anti-Semitism part.

00:00:56.780 We have a problem, you know, I don't know if anybody in the press has noticed this,

00:01:00.140 but it's the left that seems to be against Israel.

00:01:03.660 It is the right that is for Israel and for Jews' right to live and exist.

00:01:10.000 I don't know if anybody caught that in the media.

00:01:12.300 But, yeah, yeah, pretty much those on the right do not want to unite with people who hate Jews.

00:01:19.780 I just thought I'd throw that one in.

00:01:22.600 That's just a side note.

00:01:24.060 That one is my free gift to you today.

00:01:27.880 So, we also have a problem with, you know, uniting with people who believe in national socialism.

00:01:37.880 I know.

00:01:40.520 I know.

00:01:41.520 It sounds so Ronald Reagan, but it's actually not.

00:01:46.260 So, anyway, 12 people or 24 people show up to this rally and thousands that are dressed in black

00:01:54.140 and carrying signs about, you know, how racist the cops are.

00:01:58.580 Supposedly, this is the peaceful rally this weekend in Charlottesville.

00:02:03.560 Antifa members made their show of force.

00:02:06.120 All cops are racist.

00:02:07.340 They also had cops and clan go hand in hand.

00:02:10.080 That one's catchy.

00:02:11.120 Isn't that a song?

00:02:12.080 Stu, do you remember?

00:02:13.120 I think that's an American standard.

00:02:14.820 Last year, they came with torches.

00:02:18.200 This year, they come with badges.

00:02:20.920 That's not quite as good.

00:02:22.940 Not quite as good.

00:02:24.260 And not true.

00:02:27.280 But why would the media want to cover that?

00:02:29.820 When you have 24 Nazis.

00:02:33.000 Clearly a movement that is sweeping the nation.

00:02:36.540 Naturally, they said all these things under the protection of the police.

00:02:42.700 I don't know how our police do it.

00:02:45.460 I really don't know how they stand between Nazis and Antifa.

00:02:54.280 And everybody on both sides hates them.

00:02:57.320 And they have to stand there and protect both sides.

00:03:00.560 God bless our police officers.

00:03:04.940 The Charlottesville protests or counter protests, as the mainstream media describes them now,

00:03:10.120 supposedly a defiant opposition to this weekend's Unite the Right rally in Washington, D.C.,

00:03:14.680 which Vox describes thusly.

00:03:17.540 Quote,

00:03:17.800 After last year's disaster in Charlottesville,

00:03:21.180 very few white nationalists showed up to the follow-up rally in Washington, D.C.

00:03:27.300 Now, isn't this a good thing?

00:03:29.720 How is this possibly a disaster?

00:03:32.000 This is a good thing.

00:03:33.160 Now, while the D.C. rally was largely pathetic, Antifa made sure to keep the hatred alive in Charlottesville.

00:03:44.300 Footage has emerged of Antifa protesters assaulting reporters.

00:03:48.780 You know, you know, it's crazy.

00:03:51.600 Who would have seen this coming?

00:03:53.660 You know, Jim Acosta gets up and he's like, hey, they're saying CNN sucks.

00:03:58.280 Their CNN sucks.

00:03:59.440 That could cause violence.

00:04:00.840 And then, look what happens.

00:04:03.500 Oh, violence against the press.

00:04:05.720 Except it's from the left.

00:04:08.320 Huh.

00:04:09.560 I don't think anybody in Antifa has attended and been cheering at the Donald Trump rallies.

00:04:16.840 I wonder where they got that idea.

00:04:19.440 You and the media should put on your little reporter's hat and put your badge on and say,

00:04:26.960 come on, Judy, we got to go out and find out the real story.

00:04:33.000 Lots of footage.

00:04:34.280 We can't play most of it because there is so much profanity.

00:04:39.160 And not just, I mean, not Little League profanity.

00:04:42.400 I mean, stuff that nobody should be saying.

00:04:45.840 Some of it at odds with the so-called progressive approach to Antifa, which is surprising to me.

00:04:52.320 I really thought these were good, decent people.

00:04:56.140 Antifa is demanding that their message be heard.

00:04:59.040 Unfortunately, we can't play any of their message because it's filthy.

00:05:03.660 But they're oddly aggressive at a time, you know, that the media is embracing them.

00:05:11.980 Media arrives to document them.

00:05:14.500 Really isn't said anything bad about them.

00:05:17.140 They're saying, we want our message to be heard.

00:05:19.960 And then they cut the wires of the media.

00:05:22.020 So I'm not, these, you keep saying you want to be heard.

00:05:26.100 I do not think it means what you think it means.

00:05:28.020 The truly confounding part of it all is the media seems incapable of reporting any facts.

00:05:36.000 First of all, the counter protesters.

00:05:39.060 I mean, that is brilliant use of, you know, passive voice logic, isn't it?

00:05:43.460 So Antifa, they're always the ones acted upon.

00:05:46.320 Never the aggressors.

00:05:47.580 No, no, no.

00:05:49.060 Not Antifa.

00:05:50.640 They're there.

00:05:51.180 They're there protesting the protesters.

00:05:53.940 Yes.

00:05:54.420 They seem unable to admit that Antifa and leftist groups like it.

00:06:01.660 And they are hate spewing violence driven threats to our democracy.

00:06:07.300 They just can't, they just can't bring themselves to say that about Antifa.

00:06:12.620 I don't know why.

00:06:14.160 Here's the truth.

00:06:16.160 They're a cancer.

00:06:17.820 Their ultimate aim is to overthrow America itself.

00:06:22.000 They hate police.

00:06:24.420 Don't take my word for it.

00:06:27.020 Just listen to them.

00:06:29.400 They hate capitalism.

00:06:30.980 They hate America.

00:06:33.300 They hate the press.

00:06:35.760 The odds are they hate you.

00:06:38.840 Yet the media portrays them with the misguided fondness of a clueless parent.

00:06:44.460 Oh, kids will be kids.

00:06:46.020 We'll go into many of these ideas in greater detail later today and tomorrow.

00:06:51.500 But for now, let's just say the sickness that is Antifa is gaining power.

00:06:57.300 However, the right wing Nazi movement never really had any power.

00:07:05.020 It was a flash in the pan.

00:07:07.480 Yes, there are Nazis out there.

00:07:10.580 Are they dangerous?

00:07:12.120 Sure.

00:07:12.640 But Antifa is the actual growing threat to the nation right now, and they're gaining power, and we need to at least talk about it.

00:07:25.380 Because who knows?

00:07:26.980 Who knows NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times?

00:07:31.100 Who knows who they'll be coming for next?

00:07:34.360 It's Monday, August 13th.

00:07:41.760 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:07:44.760 You know who needs to be silenced?

00:07:47.100 Gavin McGinnis.

00:07:49.020 Oh, yeah?

00:07:49.760 Yeah.

00:07:50.140 I didn't know that.

00:07:50.800 Yeah.

00:07:51.140 He's got to be silenced.

00:07:52.960 He said something.

00:07:55.280 I'm not sure what, but he said something recently.

00:07:59.080 And so he's got to be banned.

00:08:01.100 Got to be banned.

00:08:01.980 Well, first of all, Gavin McGinnis, he was the co-founder of Vice, and you know what a hate-mongering site that is, right?

00:08:13.560 Okay.

00:08:14.640 He also, he's a comedian.

00:08:18.420 He says some pretty vile things.

00:08:21.020 I'm sure, I'm sure, I don't know him.

00:08:25.360 So maybe he is a closeted racist.

00:08:28.500 I don't know.

00:08:28.980 But I've seen a lot of his stuff, and a lot of comedians, well, not anymore.

00:08:40.380 Not anymore.

00:08:41.620 I mean, God forbid.

00:08:43.080 But he says some things that are, yeah, politically incorrect.

00:08:47.160 And I remember a lot of comedians saying a lot of the same stuff.

00:08:51.640 Now, they're all cowards now, so they won't actually say anything that is actually funny.

00:08:57.140 But I don't know if he's a racist or not.

00:09:01.920 He's taken off of Twitter.

00:09:04.220 He was banned this weekend because of his constant call for violence.

00:09:11.680 That sounds pretty bad.

00:09:12.720 Yeah, it does.

00:09:13.320 You shouldn't constantly be calling for violence.

00:09:15.400 I mean, people need to rest.

00:09:16.360 You know, there's all sorts of risks that you would need to take during the day.

00:09:20.280 Well, I don't think you should call for violence.

00:09:22.220 Myself, I don't think you should call for violence.

00:09:24.780 But I just, and you know what?

00:09:26.260 I am so supportive of this banning of voices.

00:09:30.020 And by the way, unrelated, 2.30 this afternoon, we're having a book burning.

00:09:34.620 Come on by.

00:09:35.280 Usually we do book signings, but my book is coming out in a couple of weeks.

00:09:39.420 I'll ask you to come and buy that book.

00:09:44.180 A little buy and burn?

00:09:45.500 Yeah, well, not my book.

00:09:46.760 This week, we're going to burn books.

00:09:48.720 Then I'm going to put the right kind of book out.

00:09:51.600 Okay?

00:09:52.340 But 2 o'clock this afternoon, join us for the book burning.

00:09:56.220 Anyway, I am so supportive of everybody just banning speech because it's really going to work out.

00:10:03.700 It's going to work out.

00:10:04.820 I mean, there's nothing like, if we could just ban all speech that we don't like,

00:10:09.960 then we won't have any idea what's going on around us.

00:10:13.960 You know, when people are just protesting and stuff, you'll be like, what are they protesting?

00:10:18.540 I don't know, because I haven't been able to find out who this group is.

00:10:24.260 It's great.

00:10:26.060 It's great.

00:10:27.260 It's going to, a lot of healing is coming our way.

00:10:29.320 It does seem, though, like the only way to really make social media safe is if no words can appear on it.

00:10:36.000 So if we were to just ban people from posting to social media, then there would be no controversial things that would ever be up there.

00:10:42.180 And it would be safe, a safe space for all of us.

00:10:44.680 Do you notice that Twitter has gotten worse since they, you know, since they expanded from 144, was it 144 characters?

00:10:51.360 140 to 280, right?

00:10:52.280 Yeah, so 140 characters.

00:10:54.380 It was very, it was dangerous at 140.

00:10:56.880 280, it's insane.

00:10:59.040 That's why I...

00:10:59.780 It's like an assault tweet.

00:11:00.800 That's why I...

00:11:01.440 Back in the day, it was just tweets.

00:11:02.640 Well, it's a military-style tweet.

00:11:03.980 Yeah.

00:11:04.180 It's a military-style tweet.

00:11:05.480 It is.

00:11:06.540 And so I'm, that's why I'm suggesting that it's just four characters.

00:11:12.340 No, because...

00:11:13.140 Oh, we can't have that.

00:11:14.160 No, three.

00:11:15.020 Number of characters.

00:11:15.620 Three characters.

00:11:16.460 Three character tweets.

00:11:18.240 Okay.

00:11:19.900 And that includes the hashtag.

00:11:23.460 And anybody you want to tag to follow to see it.

00:11:26.220 We should also point out no abbreviations.

00:11:28.740 No, no, no, no, no.

00:11:29.700 You have to spell out four.

00:11:30.300 No, no, no.

00:11:30.340 You have to...

00:11:30.880 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:31.740 And no threads.

00:11:32.960 Yes.

00:11:33.620 Now I've fixed Twitter.

00:11:34.860 Yeah.

00:11:35.020 Here, you just added a couple of things.

00:11:37.280 I thought I had fixed it, but you just added a couple of things.

00:11:39.920 Now it's even better.

00:11:41.080 It's even better.

00:11:42.140 It will be safe for all of us.

00:11:44.100 Oh, thank goodness.

00:11:45.300 Thank goodness.

00:11:46.100 Because I don't know about you, Stu, but I think people are too stupid to figure it out.

00:11:50.340 Don't you?

00:11:50.920 Yeah, I think so.

00:11:51.780 I think so.

00:11:52.300 We probably shouldn't be saying this on the national airwaves.

00:11:55.340 No, people are too stupid.

00:11:57.020 They're not going to know.

00:11:57.540 Yeah, you're right.

00:11:58.320 You're right.

00:11:58.640 You're right.

00:11:58.960 We need new legislation to ensure a safe and secure society.

00:12:04.080 So you know what I noticed is, so they banned McGinnis, who again, I know very little

00:12:11.840 about.

00:12:12.440 I'm not a fan.

00:12:13.320 I don't, you know.

00:12:14.020 I mean, wasn't his last tweet though, at least that I had read his last tweet before

00:12:19.020 being banned.

00:12:19.800 It was about violence.

00:12:20.860 It was about violence.

00:12:21.720 It said violence and it did not.

00:12:23.180 It did, I think.

00:12:23.860 Yes.

00:12:24.160 It basically said, I reject all forms of it and I reject these rallies and et cetera.

00:12:28.500 Take the word reject out and what does it say?

00:12:30.920 All right.

00:12:31.500 I'm for all forms of violence.

00:12:33.400 Can you trust people to read entire sentences and every word encapsulated?

00:12:37.800 Even if that was, even if in this world where we all come together and somehow just pretend

00:12:43.720 that he wasn't calling for violence when he said he was opposing violence.

00:12:47.220 Even then, people could misread it and just become violent because they see the tweet incorrectly.

00:12:52.740 Well, I tweeted, I tweeted my response to this using my own formula.

00:12:57.640 I tweeted, I fit.

00:12:59.720 Ooh.

00:13:00.720 And I have a question though.

00:13:02.820 Yes.

00:13:03.140 That seems like four characters if you include the space.

00:13:07.220 Oh, well, I didn't know.

00:13:08.120 If you just did ith, you could just do ith, but I don't know if people would get it.

00:13:11.680 No, I did ith, but now I'm remembering that I shouldn't have because, you know, we banned

00:13:20.220 abbreviations.

00:13:21.940 So, I just, I'm going to retweet, I.

00:13:26.480 I like that.

00:13:27.340 I think if we just kind of had, I mean, one letter is enough, isn't it?

00:13:32.140 Do you need more than one letter?

00:13:34.280 Well, it could be two.

00:13:35.440 You have to include those who want to say me.

00:13:39.640 You know what I mean?

00:13:41.140 I will say, I don't think I would get any less out of Twitter if this was actually implemented.

00:13:46.540 Really?

00:13:46.840 I'd kind of be as worthless to me as it is now.

00:13:49.400 Yeah.

00:13:50.140 Yeah.

00:13:50.900 So, wait a minute.

00:13:51.800 You're saying that, I'm trying to get my arms around this.

00:13:56.300 You're saying that the world does not revolve around what people say on Twitter?

00:14:02.140 You know, I, I, it's funny.

00:14:04.560 Every time.

00:14:05.760 You think about this.

00:14:07.140 Before you say this, think about this.

00:14:08.640 No, I know.

00:14:09.380 I see this all the time.

00:14:10.440 Reporters do this constantly.

00:14:11.860 Uh-huh.

00:14:12.280 And they always tweet about it, which I always find to be interesting.

00:14:14.700 They just drop off of Twitter for like two days.

00:14:16.960 Uh-huh.

00:14:17.440 And then they come back on and I just spent 48 hours away from Twitter and I've realized

00:14:21.280 that in the real world, people aren't talking about the things we're talking about here.

00:14:24.820 Right.

00:14:25.100 That there's not the constant outrage on everyone who hates each other.

00:14:28.100 Right.

00:14:28.280 And then they come back on Twitter to tell us this story.

00:14:30.820 Right.

00:14:31.260 That I guess we're all supposed to react by leaving Twitter.

00:14:34.620 I don't, I don't know what we're supposed to do with this information.

00:14:36.920 Well, it'll all be solved when we ban it.

00:14:38.940 Well, no, no, no, no, not ban it.

00:14:40.280 We just say you can't, you can only have three characters.

00:14:42.360 We are for free speech.

00:14:43.720 Just free speech within three characters or less.

00:14:45.900 Yes.

00:14:46.520 And no abbreviations.

00:14:47.780 Unless that speech is deemed something we don't like.

00:14:50.280 And, and, or, slash, anybody saying it that we do like.

00:14:57.240 So, in other words, I want to keep our options open.

00:14:59.560 So, I might say, hey, Stu, you can't say that.

00:15:04.440 Mm-hmm.

00:15:04.740 But I can say, you know, this guy over here, I love him.

00:15:09.380 He can say that.

00:15:10.260 He started a foundation.

00:15:12.480 They're marching in the streets, beating up anybody who doesn't say that.

00:15:17.860 I'm going to leave him on, okay, but you, I can ban.

00:15:22.740 That seems fair, because I violated a stated policy, or just, you just.

00:15:28.060 Not because I'm Jack.

00:15:29.740 Oh, that's pretty cool.

00:15:30.620 Yeah.

00:15:30.860 Well, it's cool to be Jack.

00:15:32.000 Yeah.

00:15:32.280 Well, people say, people say to me all the time.

00:15:34.540 They greet me in the morning.

00:15:35.260 What do they say?

00:15:36.460 Hi, Glenn.

00:15:37.220 No.

00:15:37.820 I'm Jack.

00:15:38.740 I'm Jack.

00:15:39.120 What do they say?

00:15:39.900 Oh, hi, Jack.

00:15:40.560 Hi, Jack.

00:15:41.220 Right?

00:15:41.900 Free speech.

00:15:42.540 Hi, Jack.

00:15:43.400 It all is beginning to make sense now, isn't it?

00:15:46.300 You can always say that word.

00:15:48.120 Freely, wherever you want.

00:15:50.260 Well.

00:15:50.740 Don't quote me on that if you're going to an airport.

00:15:52.180 My people can say that.

00:15:54.100 My people can say that.

00:15:55.960 And it's because that's what I'm doing to free speech.

00:15:59.400 Taking it to Cuba.

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00:17:53.840 You know what we need is we need like a Twitter czar, you know, a media, social media czar.

00:17:58.700 That's what we need.

00:17:59.340 That's what we're missing.

00:18:01.160 Somebody who is unelected that can just tell us who, you know, we should ban, who we should

00:18:09.700 listen to, who we should trust.

00:18:11.580 Don't let people do that on their own.

00:18:13.920 That's one of the problems with these social media companies is they all went in front of

00:18:17.300 Congress and told Congress that it was their responsibility to make sure they weren't spreading

00:18:22.220 hate messages.

00:18:23.200 Not their job.

00:18:23.640 They don't want, no one wants to hate, you know, spread hate messages except for the

00:18:27.660 people that actually are, you know, doing it.

00:18:30.020 But, you know, no one wants that to be the result.

00:18:31.960 But the bottom line is it's not really their responsibility.

00:18:34.560 It's ours.

00:18:36.200 We constantly want to blame other people.

00:18:39.700 You know, if you're the ones sharing racist stuff, it's your fault.

00:18:42.360 If you're not, it's not.

00:18:43.800 And the same thing with Facebook.

00:18:44.860 The fact that they allow people to post things and they do and use it in a poor way.

00:18:49.240 Like, outside of committing crimes like threats and harassment, there are certain levels of

00:18:55.380 things, child porn, things that are actually banned from other laws.

00:18:58.880 But speech is speech.

00:19:00.320 And the fact that you come out with really nonsensical theories about 9-11 and no matter

00:19:05.300 what it is, it's not the fault of Facebook.

00:19:08.800 But they've taken that responsibility on.

00:19:10.980 And the problem, I think, and you've made this point with other things before, Glenn.

00:19:14.300 The problem is when these companies come out and they try to get this under control and

00:19:18.160 it doesn't work and all of their people start leaving, then they will turn to the government

00:19:22.360 and let's say, we need you guys to do this so we don't look like the bad guys.

00:19:25.740 We need the FCC to step in and now start policing this speech so we don't have to be the bad

00:19:31.620 people.

00:19:31.900 Oh, you know, and everybody's worried about, you know, everybody on the left, you're worried

00:19:35.400 about, you know, Donald Trump being, you know, a fascist.

00:19:39.560 He's a fascist.

00:19:40.380 He's a fascist.

00:19:41.620 Yeah.

00:19:41.900 Let's get the government involved now in social media.

00:19:45.420 Oh, and at the same time, let's give them the guns.

00:19:48.160 No, it sounds like a brilliant plan.

00:19:51.260 What the hell is wrong with you?

00:19:53.300 It's not your responsibility to police everybody's speech.

00:19:59.180 It's ours as citizens.

00:20:05.540 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:09.160 Welcome back.

00:20:10.700 Did you hear about the rough and tumble treatment that NBC got?

00:20:15.400 Rough and tumble, Stu.

00:20:16.780 Yeah, Cal Perry from MSNBC was in the middle of all this and took videos of it and rough

00:20:22.020 and tumble was assaulted.

00:20:24.100 I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:20:26.300 They were they were they were getting a little aggressive with the media.

00:20:30.400 And he did say also last night's Antifa rally in Charlottesville got a bit rough and tumble.

00:20:35.560 Yeah.

00:20:35.760 Which, again, remember, we went through just went through weeks of the media on television

00:20:41.140 constantly talking about the threat that was coming from a rally crowd saying CNN sucks and

00:20:48.920 flipping them off and Jim Acosta in front of the nation being all worked up about it when

00:20:54.020 actual reporters get actually assaulted by actual fascist groups, which is what Antifa

00:20:59.140 is anti-fascist.

00:21:01.140 They are they have every qualification of a fascist group in any other circumstance.

00:21:05.840 Yes, they are fascist.

00:21:06.740 And so here is, you know, the reporters describing it a little bit.

00:21:12.540 They're down.

00:21:12.980 They downplay this.

00:21:14.080 They act as if it's just one person.

00:21:16.080 And again, of course, their target is the president.

00:21:17.720 And this is this is the issue here.

00:21:19.520 But it was there were a few reporters we should point out that that did call this out.

00:21:25.420 I know, for example, Jake Tapper did call it out.

00:21:28.060 And more than just saying, hey, this is a bad incident, said it is not at all out of

00:21:31.960 the norm of what Antifa does.

00:21:33.660 So the fact that they're actually recognized, this is as a long term pattern and really the

00:21:37.460 whole movement, the whole movement is assaulting people.

00:21:40.560 That's the whole thing.

00:21:41.780 What do you mean?

00:21:42.180 It's assaulting people to eventually get to some other goal, which, by the way, has

00:21:46.840 nothing to do with American norms.

00:21:49.120 Certainly.

00:21:49.840 You've never been to a black tie cocktail dinner.

00:21:52.900 Have you ever been to a black tie cocktail dinner?

00:21:54.720 Well, yeah.

00:21:55.380 OK, you've been to one.

00:21:56.300 OK, what's the difference between that and, you know, a group of people who are wearing

00:21:59.880 all black and throwing Molotov cocktails?

00:22:02.340 There's no difference.

00:22:03.240 These the assaults is one of the difference.

00:22:06.320 I don't know what kind of parties you go to, but maybe you're rocking in a much.

00:22:09.880 It's a it's a it's amazing to me the double standard here.

00:22:14.740 And it's not just that I don't want to talk about double standard because we all know about

00:22:17.960 it.

00:22:18.120 We all know how bad the press is and the double standard that we got it.

00:22:21.720 We got it.

00:22:22.420 Tired of talking about that.

00:22:24.420 Here's what's truly frightening is these guys are the ones that will pull these anchors

00:22:30.780 out of the chair and kill them in the streets.

00:22:32.320 It's it's it's those people, those people, the Antifa people.

00:22:36.800 They are dangerous.

00:22:38.800 Yeah, there's all sorts of videos of this, by the way, people assaulting people on the

00:22:42.920 ground, kicking them while they're on the ground, assaulting reporters.

00:22:46.300 We have do we have Mike pulled a video here just a second ago.

00:22:49.820 Do we have this?

00:22:50.400 This is from, I think, Benny Johnson, who was at one of the rallies and talked to people

00:22:54.660 on the street that this is, I think, just just came in.

00:22:58.280 Do we have that, Sarah?

00:22:59.140 Do you know what would you do if Donald Trump showed up at the truck?

00:23:01.960 Murder him?

00:23:03.180 Murder him for the people?

00:23:04.800 How about you, man?

00:23:05.460 I'm out of the truck to get on the floor and scrub those toilets himself because he don't

00:23:11.600 know what he means.

00:23:12.760 He needs to learn.

00:23:14.080 He needs to learn how to clean, scrub some toilets?

00:23:16.700 I mean, yo, he's America's Caesar, except he's a ****, so we got to take him down.

00:23:23.520 We got to take him down and murder him.

00:23:24.560 If he came down to it and it was a group effort, we'd have to do him like Adafi.

00:23:29.720 Like Adafi?

00:23:30.580 Yeah.

00:23:31.300 Do him like Adafi.

00:23:32.300 What would you do if Donald Trump showed up?

00:23:33.300 Yeah, I know.

00:23:34.020 I'm a wild out.

00:23:35.140 You'd wild out?

00:23:36.040 Yeah.

00:23:36.560 Yeah?

00:23:36.980 I'm a **** up.

00:23:38.580 You **** up.

00:23:39.440 Yeah.

00:23:40.280 To be honest, if I get a tattoo, I would do that.

00:23:43.020 What's that?

00:23:43.480 If I get a tattoo, I would.

00:23:45.620 So just a couple of quotes there.

00:23:47.340 It's hard to tell, obviously, with all the swearing.

00:23:49.400 I would murder him in there.

00:23:51.780 We'd have to do him like Adafi, which was, you know, killing him.

00:23:55.400 No, no.

00:23:55.800 First, you'd drag him through the streets.

00:23:56.980 Yep.

00:23:57.920 If I get the chance to F him up, I would, and I would beat his ass.

00:24:02.440 The President of the United States.

00:24:04.160 So, again, we're not supposed to even pay any attention to that sort of thing.

00:24:08.320 But the people in the rally, and by the way, a rally in which every person in the rally went through security.

00:24:15.020 So none of them had any weapons.

00:24:17.420 What are they going to do exactly?

00:24:20.200 This is, again, the President of the United States is about to speak in this venue.

00:24:23.620 It's probably one of the most safe and secure places on Earth.

00:24:26.180 Yet, we're supposed to take seriously that a few people chanting CNN sucks is an issue when this is going on in the real world.

00:24:35.960 And by the way.

00:24:36.940 No, no, no.

00:24:37.580 He's encouraging that.

00:24:39.400 Oh, is he?

00:24:40.100 He's encouraging that.

00:24:41.040 Because we've seen this from the left as well, who has, you know, some of them have moved away from supporting Antifa.

00:24:46.900 But many of them have.

00:24:48.720 And just a year ago, after the Charlottesville thing, we're touting them as heroes.

00:24:53.120 Right?

00:24:53.900 And this movement has grown since.

00:24:55.540 And when we talk about movements, can we talk about how utterly embarrassing it is that the media gave us, what, a month of buildup to a rally that 24 people attended.

00:25:12.780 24 people.

00:25:14.940 I got a CNN alert this weekend that told me that 24 white supremacists rallied in Charlottesville.

00:25:23.320 24.

00:25:23.740 There were spin classes this weekend with more than 24 people in them.

00:25:28.760 Spin classes.

00:25:30.300 People don't even like to exercise.

00:25:33.640 It is incomprehensible that this event got this much attention.

00:25:40.040 And it's, you know, it's not a, it doesn't lead to positive ends.

00:25:42.700 Because you have people who, who are convinced that there's a giant white supremacist movement in this country.

00:25:50.360 When I think pretty clearly that's not the case.

00:25:53.740 It doesn't matter how much, like, it doesn't matter how much negative press and movement gets.

00:25:58.140 If there's a big movement going on in the country and a huge anniversary of one of their, you know.

00:26:02.900 Don't you remember?

00:26:03.540 There's going to be more than 24 people.

00:26:04.540 Do you remember the lead up to 828?

00:26:10.880 The event we held on the mall in Washington, D.C.?

00:26:13.380 It was going to be violent.

00:26:15.000 The Black Lives, or the Black Panthers were showing up.

00:26:19.060 Al Sharpton was there.

00:26:20.860 They were told, people were told by the media constantly, day and night, don't go.

00:26:24.580 We had phone calls from people saying, it's just going to be violent.

00:26:27.680 Oh, yeah.

00:26:28.000 We had supporters.

00:26:29.360 Supporters.

00:26:29.960 Who wanted to come.

00:26:30.600 And we're just like, I'm just afraid.

00:26:31.900 There's just going to be too much.

00:26:32.560 I can't bring my kids there.

00:26:34.160 Black Panthers are going to be there.

00:26:35.320 There would have been double the crowd.

00:26:37.520 Double the crowd had the media not scared people off.

00:26:42.220 It wasn't.

00:26:42.760 It was peaceful.

00:26:43.620 It was peaceful.

00:26:44.660 It was one of the most peaceful things I have been a part of in 20 years.

00:26:49.860 It was a spiritual moment.

00:26:52.400 Yeah.

00:26:52.500 The media was making it into violent.

00:26:56.140 Here they have 24 people show up.

00:27:00.160 Now, you don't think that the Nazis wanted to show up?

00:27:03.980 Of course they wanted to show up.

00:27:06.040 They did.

00:27:07.340 24.

00:27:08.900 They did.

00:27:09.600 This is not a movement that is sweeping the nation.

00:27:13.380 You know what the movement is that's sweeping the nation?

00:27:16.480 It's Antifa.

00:27:17.280 Beyond that, the more we silence voices, the more power you will give people.

00:27:24.600 Look, they took off.

00:27:28.520 They took McInnis off this weekend.

00:27:32.200 Lost his Twitter feed.

00:27:34.820 Okay.

00:27:35.300 So you take McInnis off.

00:27:37.640 They also removed.

00:27:39.340 What is it?

00:27:39.800 H3H3.

00:27:40.180 H3.

00:27:40.800 This is a this a gamer.

00:27:42.080 H3H3.

00:27:43.080 And a comedian.

00:27:44.960 I don't know him.

00:27:46.300 I don't watch it.

00:27:48.200 Why did they take him off?

00:27:50.060 They they they claimed Friday night.

00:27:52.660 I think it was a mistake.

00:27:53.680 They claimed Friday night that they wouldn't let him post any live videos anymore because he was talking about Alex Jones.

00:28:01.880 Talking about Alex Jones from everything I've read.

00:28:05.300 He's not a fan of Alex Jones.

00:28:07.160 We can't talk about Alex Jones now.

00:28:09.860 What is that all about?

00:28:12.380 Probably probably a bunch of people from the right.

00:28:16.460 Decide.

00:28:17.100 I'm sorry.

00:28:17.400 A bunch of people from the left decided to target them and flood whatever platform.

00:28:24.520 To say these guys are evil.

00:28:26.200 These guys got to be stopped.

00:28:27.520 And so what happened?

00:28:28.900 They were taken off until there could be a review.

00:28:32.860 This guy's a gamer.

00:28:34.920 At what point?

00:28:36.760 At what point do we stop and say, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute?

00:28:40.740 Both sides.

00:28:42.320 At what point does the left say, I don't want anything to do with NFA?

00:28:46.600 And the media should not be normalizing these people.

00:28:50.800 And every if we're going to use the same standard, every Democratic politician that comes on the air in the next six months,

00:28:58.900 should have to answer to whether they support Antifa or not.

00:29:02.440 They should have to come in and say exactly what they've done to stand up.

00:29:07.660 They should have to disavow the support of anyone associated with this organization.

00:29:11.440 Because they are, they have shown legitimate violence.

00:29:16.940 And you know what?

00:29:17.760 I think, I know that we have many, many times.

00:29:21.940 And most of the people on the right, at least the ones that I respect, have come out and said, you know what?

00:29:25.820 These groups like Richard Spencer's and the alt-right and the people who actually did the Charlottesville rally last year.

00:29:31.500 Not to mention just the violent people, but the message behind it.

00:29:35.100 All of that has been disavowed by at least everybody on the right that I respect.

00:29:39.820 Without question.

00:29:40.780 And never hesitation.

00:29:42.040 No hesitation.

00:29:42.760 But the thing is, they had to do it.

00:29:44.800 They had to do it because they were asked.

00:29:46.520 Many of them wrote pieces and explained their views before they were asked.

00:29:50.040 But anyone who went on television, who ran as a candidate, is constantly asked about their associations with these things.

00:29:56.760 Well, this is a legitimate, this is a, these people are assaulting reporters on the streets.

00:30:02.220 No, and reporters are saying that it's rough and tumble.

00:30:05.400 Excuse me.

00:30:06.900 They are saying they hate the media.

00:30:09.860 They are saying more than CNN sucks.

00:30:13.580 They are actually have a record of assaulting people.

00:30:17.380 And now they're assaulting you.

00:30:20.040 I, I'm sorry.

00:30:22.560 And, and the people at the Trump rally were a problem.

00:30:25.980 Why?

00:30:27.540 You can't have it both ways.

00:30:29.400 You just cannot have it both ways.

00:30:31.940 Let me go to Josh in Pennsylvania.

00:30:33.760 Hello, Josh.

00:30:34.300 You're on the Glenn Beck program.

00:30:36.320 Oh, Glenn.

00:30:37.140 It's such an honor to talk to you.

00:30:38.740 Thank you.

00:30:39.000 But, you know, you mentioned, you mentioned 828 and, you know, I was there.

00:30:43.420 That was one of the greatest experiences of my life.

00:30:46.440 You know, we were so close to the stage, stage right.

00:30:48.960 And I'll tell you that we were, my wife and I were there at about 4 o'clock in the morning.

00:30:53.140 And, you know, we were there trying to get as close as we could.

00:30:56.380 And, you know, I'm on alert.

00:30:57.860 It's Washington, D.C.

00:30:58.960 It's the middle of the night.

00:31:00.080 And, you know, a gentleman came up to us.

00:31:01.480 We were sitting on the fence.

00:31:03.540 And it scared me a little bit.

00:31:05.720 But he reached down and, you know, hanged it out the blank and he said, you guys look a little bit cold.

00:31:09.840 And, you know, just that whole experience, you know, everybody was saying that it was going to be some sort of crazy rally, you know, sort of like what we're seeing now.

00:31:17.600 But it was everything but.

00:31:19.620 And we, you know, Republicans are the right, have such a bad reputation, you know, with these Trump rallies.

00:31:23.780 But I've never felt more safe than I am at, you know, one of these rallies because everybody's so respectful.

00:31:31.020 Well, that is something that we prided ourself on.

00:31:35.060 And when I say we, I mean we as an audience.

00:31:39.280 Anybody who has been with me for a long time, you're a different set of people.

00:31:46.360 You really are.

00:31:47.000 You haven't gone over the cliff.

00:31:51.180 You know, some people have and I do sometimes.

00:31:54.960 We all make mistakes.

00:31:56.640 But for the most part, we know what we're fighting for.

00:32:01.200 And we're fighting for a return to just common decency and truth.

00:32:10.260 We are looking for the end of postmodernism.

00:32:14.740 Postmodernism is evil.

00:32:17.760 If you study anything about it at all, it is directly, its direct result and goal is chaos.

00:32:25.620 The destruction of reason, and I'm not making this up, there's no hyperbole in this.

00:32:31.520 The destruction of reason, of honest questioning, of truth.

00:32:37.200 It's evil.

00:32:38.860 It's absolutely evil.

00:32:40.740 And it is this tension that we're feeling.

00:32:43.580 If we weren't living in a postmodern world, it would be really easy for the press.

00:32:49.900 They would say violence is wrong.

00:32:53.160 Oh, look, here's Antifa.

00:32:55.120 They're doing that.

00:32:55.860 Here are these 24 people that are advocating for that.

00:32:58.360 Okay.

00:32:58.800 Both in the same group.

00:33:00.220 That's reason.

00:33:01.640 That's the enlightenment.

00:33:02.860 That's the modern age.

00:33:04.560 We use our brain.

00:33:05.640 We don't have people tell us, you know, to believe something that we can't see, touch, smell, taste.

00:33:13.960 We're not going to believe them.

00:33:15.920 We're going to watch and observe ourself and let the chips fall where they may.

00:33:19.920 The facts will dictate.

00:33:22.340 Those days are over.

00:33:23.520 For a lot of Americans, those days are over.

00:33:26.540 Not for me.

00:33:27.700 Not for me.

00:33:28.400 Because the only way that we restore it is to be able to say, yeah, Nazis are bad.

00:33:34.560 And, oh, yeah, over here.

00:33:36.640 Yeah.

00:33:37.020 The anti-fascists are bad, too.

00:33:39.300 Communism is bad.

00:33:41.180 Socialist, as it is done in some places.

00:33:44.500 Canada, it doesn't work.

00:33:47.700 But it's not evil.

00:33:49.880 Socialism, you're carrying, you're saying you want to be a democratic socialist and you're carrying a flag with Stalin's face on it.

00:33:56.860 Yeah, you're bad.

00:33:59.360 That's bad.

00:34:00.620 Sorry.

00:34:01.000 That kind of socialism leads to gulags and millions dead.

00:34:07.020 What the hell's wrong with you?

00:34:08.320 It's called reason.

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00:35:58.600 Glenn Beck.

00:35:59.920 We have Gavin McGinnis on top of next hour.

00:36:05.300 I'm going to have to beg some ignorance.

00:36:08.180 I mean, I've seen him.

00:36:10.080 I've watched a few of his videos.

00:36:11.820 I think he's funny.

00:36:13.140 But I've heard bad things.

00:36:15.080 I've heard bad things about him.

00:36:16.840 Oh, he's been banned from Twitter.

00:36:19.720 So we're going to have to find out exactly, you know, what the story is.

00:36:23.480 He's coming up in just a few minutes.

00:36:25.220 Also, Omarosa.

00:36:26.840 Who would who would have guessed she was a bad person?

00:36:29.100 All people would have would have would have guessed it.

00:36:31.280 Right.

00:36:31.720 Well, all people available.

00:36:33.020 I mean, besides all people who would have seen that she was going to turn in to be a problem.

00:36:37.720 Yeah, I know.

00:36:38.820 Really, Trump was the one person who seemed to stand by her.

00:36:41.140 He's now saying kind of the opposite.

00:36:43.040 The opposite.

00:36:43.540 Yeah.

00:36:43.880 The opposite.

00:36:45.460 Hmm.

00:36:45.980 Well, I don't know.

00:36:46.780 I don't know who to root for here.

00:36:48.760 Omarosa.

00:36:49.320 It's like, no.

00:36:53.420 Glenn Beck.

00:36:54.920 It's Monday, August 13th.

00:36:57.080 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:36:58.980 I didn't.

00:36:59.360 I had no idea.

00:37:00.380 We can't have him on.

00:37:01.860 Excuse me.

00:37:02.440 Just a second.

00:37:03.020 We cannot have him on.

00:37:03.960 I didn't know that.

00:37:05.580 Why didn't anybody tell me?

00:37:07.180 Gavin McGinnis.

00:37:07.780 We're having.

00:37:09.120 Is he already on hold?

00:37:10.760 Probably.

00:37:11.300 Yeah.

00:37:11.760 Gavin.

00:37:13.440 Yes.

00:37:13.880 I had no idea you were a Canadian.

00:37:15.620 I would not have had you on had I known you were a Canadian.

00:37:19.340 Absolutely no idea.

00:37:21.500 Please don't hold this against me.

00:37:23.520 America.

00:37:23.920 I had no idea.

00:37:25.560 Gavin.

00:37:26.180 I was born in England.

00:37:27.020 I only lived there temporarily.

00:37:28.520 Holy cow.

00:37:29.020 And you were born.

00:37:29.540 So you're a foreign spy.

00:37:31.300 That's what it is now.

00:37:33.840 Technically, yes.

00:37:34.960 Okay.

00:37:35.460 Good.

00:37:36.340 So, so Gavin, first of all, and I am only doing this to test your memory, not mine.

00:37:43.880 Have we ever met?

00:37:44.600 I assume yes, if you're using this as a test.

00:37:49.280 No, good.

00:37:49.880 No, I know.

00:37:50.580 The answer is no, but sometimes I forget.

00:37:54.160 And so, so we've never met.

00:37:56.380 I don't really know much about you.

00:37:57.700 I've seen some of your work and I think you're very, very funny.

00:38:00.680 Although people have said bad things about you.

00:38:03.400 And in today's world, you never know, especially when Twitter decides to ban somebody.

00:38:10.120 So tell me what happened over the weekend.

00:38:13.780 Uh, I was banned.

00:38:17.080 They, they, I threatened to sue them and I was told it was for condoning violence.

00:38:23.060 Uh, I, I put out a video of my last 20 tweets.

00:38:26.020 There's no violence in there.

00:38:27.060 In fact, the only thing that's political really is me disavowing, um, unite the right thing.

00:38:33.280 I don't want anything to do with that, obviously.

00:38:34.960 And also saying Howard Stern is a hypocrite for throwing Alex Jones under the bus and saying

00:38:40.920 it was like shouting, firing proud of Peter.

00:38:43.020 I think what's really going on here is proud boys have been successful in protecting speakers

00:38:48.660 from Antifa and we actually enjoy it.

00:38:53.320 God forbid.

00:38:54.420 And that's been seen as condoning violence.

00:38:56.780 But we've never started a fight.

00:38:58.340 We've always finished them.

00:38:59.620 And we had an epic punch in Portland where this guy knocked out about three Antifa in

00:39:04.320 the span of three seconds.

00:39:06.240 And the fact that we didn't feel deep shame for this, even though the guy was attacked

00:39:10.900 and hit with an asp, you know, it's collapsible, even though he was attacked and he, and it

00:39:16.000 was in self-defense, you're supposed to be ashamed.

00:39:18.680 They want us all to be freedom riders and take a beating when the new sort of, uh, people

00:39:23.920 bashing the freedom riders are using knives and hammers and all kinds of weapons.

00:39:31.280 So, so let me ask you, let me ask you this.

00:39:33.480 Um, you know, I saw the Patriot prayer group in Portland, uh, what last week, week before

00:39:41.400 last.

00:39:41.720 Um, and, um, and my impression is, I don't know, I don't know anybody involved, but my

00:39:46.860 impression is, is here's a group of people that have just had it.

00:39:52.080 They've just had it.

00:39:52.840 They've had it with, they're being called racist.

00:39:56.300 Uh, they're, everything is being torn apart.

00:39:59.280 Uh, it, the media is, is making people like Antifa.

00:40:03.780 If they mentioned them, they just make it look like these are school, you know, high

00:40:07.800 school hijinks, um, and not paying attention while demonizing, uh, the people who are just

00:40:15.360 working hard and just, you know, playing by the rules.

00:40:17.980 And my guess is, is that the Patriot prayer people are just like, okay, I just can't take

00:40:25.120 it anymore.

00:40:26.240 And they're just standing up because nobody will.

00:40:29.080 Is that, is that your read?

00:40:32.240 Or is that what, is that what you do?

00:40:34.340 I think it's a little worse.

00:40:36.120 I don't think they just tolerate Antifa.

00:40:38.780 I think in some of these far left cities like Berkeley and Portland, it's more like the

00:40:43.840 mafia in Reggio de Calabria.

00:40:45.800 They are entrenched in the government.

00:40:49.180 The DNC, uh, works with them.

00:40:51.600 There's links to the globalist money.

00:40:54.140 So, and we've got Keith Ellis holding up the Antifa handbook, you know, the guy with ties

00:41:00.200 to the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:41:01.440 So this isn't like they just see them as a group.

00:41:04.080 They see them as a, uh, their paramilitary wing.

00:41:07.100 And I didn't really care until they pepper sprayed me when I did a talk at NYU.

00:41:13.020 I don't care if it doesn't affect me.

00:41:14.800 I'm not, I'm selfish.

00:41:15.800 But then they're attacking Alan Dershowitz, calling him a Nazi, and Lauren Southern.

00:41:24.080 Meanwhile, the red carpet is laid out for Linda Sarsour, who wants Korea law.

00:41:29.160 And I said, all right, this is it.

00:41:30.920 This is it.

00:41:31.360 We're not going to go to their things.

00:41:32.980 We're not going to go to their headquarters and smash it up.

00:41:35.700 But from now on, we're going to form a law.

00:41:37.940 And Portland is a perfect example of this.

00:41:39.900 Joey Gibson is a guy, he lives in Reggio de Calabria.

00:41:43.020 He's had enough of the mob.

00:41:44.560 And he says, I'm going to go for a march and support Jesus Christ and my campaign.

00:41:49.040 And if they beat me, they beat me.

00:41:50.880 And we said, no, Joey, they're not going to beat you.

00:41:53.640 And we surround him unarmed, by the way.

00:41:55.940 The police make sure we're unarmed.

00:41:57.860 And Tifa's outside the perimeter.

00:41:59.340 They are armed to the teeth.

00:42:01.380 And we still won.

00:42:03.300 And that, according to the beta males at Twitter, is wrong somehow.

00:42:08.180 You're supposed to just take the beating.

00:42:10.300 That's what it comes down to.

00:42:11.380 So, you are not part of the alt-right?

00:42:18.740 Nope.

00:42:20.060 The alt-right is the alt-left.

00:42:22.660 They both hate Israel.

00:42:24.220 They both hate Jews.

00:42:25.300 They're both obsessed with identity politics.

00:42:27.320 They're both socialists who want maximum government.

00:42:31.020 Tell me about your thoughts.

00:42:32.360 Tell me about your thoughts of the Bill of Rights.

00:42:35.060 I think the Bill of Rights is the...

00:42:37.840 It is America.

00:42:38.900 I wanted Ted Cruz to win before Trump because he just...

00:42:42.860 I saw him as a human constitution.

00:42:45.140 And he didn't have the balls to fight dirty, unfortunately.

00:42:49.660 So, we had to get a pit bull in there.

00:42:51.680 But I think it's a good litmus test to see who we can trust.

00:42:55.880 So, in your opinion, who should in society be silenced?

00:43:02.360 The zero people at all.

00:43:04.440 Free speech includes hate speech.

00:43:05.920 It includes pedophiles having a conference.

00:43:09.160 I mean, I want to kill them, obviously.

00:43:11.200 But hate speech...

00:43:12.360 Now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:43:14.560 That's the kind of stuff that gets you into trouble.

00:43:17.020 I just want to point this out.

00:43:19.340 I mean...

00:43:19.940 Well, I don't want to be boring.

00:43:21.440 There's no...

00:43:21.820 No, I know.

00:43:22.760 I appreciate it.

00:43:23.840 And I thought that was very funny.

00:43:25.920 And I think everybody in this audience knows that you're not really going out at night

00:43:30.300 killing pedophiles.

00:43:32.700 Unless you are.

00:43:33.540 I said I had that desire.

00:43:36.420 Okay.

00:43:37.440 All right.

00:43:37.960 Okay, good.

00:43:39.320 Okay.

00:43:40.960 So...

00:43:41.480 It includes everything.

00:43:42.140 People...

00:43:42.660 The left thinks free speech is a pleasant conference on who is better, the Rolling Stones

00:43:47.400 or the Beatles.

00:43:48.240 You don't need to fight for that.

00:43:50.740 You need to fight for uncomfortable speech.

00:43:53.620 And if you have faith in humanity and faith in human beings and think we're all inherently

00:43:57.540 inherently good deep down, then you want the truth out.

00:44:00.860 Sunlight is the best in disinfectant.

00:44:02.420 Let's discuss it.

00:44:03.760 But the left doesn't want that because they're socialists, they want to control the narrative,

00:44:07.340 and they want to control people.

00:44:08.820 Now, I saw a video of you just, I think, last week where you said, you know, I can't tell

00:44:17.180 you, I can't remember the exact quote, I can't, I can't tell you how effective violence really

00:44:24.000 can be.

00:44:25.120 Now, you know, underneath you it said comedian, but I'm torn because I think you believe the...

00:44:37.000 You a fan of Malcolm X or Martin Luther King?

00:44:41.640 Malcolm X.

00:44:43.400 Especially late Malcolm X.

00:44:45.640 But, look, if someone is beating the crap out of you, violence is a very effective tool.

00:44:51.880 When I was a kid in school, my dad would say, don't ever start fights, but make sure you

00:44:55.980 finish them.

00:44:56.920 That used to be the normal backbone of American thought.

00:45:00.460 At my boxing gym, there's a huge banner and it says, fighting solves everything.

00:45:04.940 And the left says, no, no, no, you can't say that.

00:45:07.600 Yet, we're meant to suffer all this violence from Antifa who say, punch Nazis, and then a

00:45:14.580 Nazi is anyone who supports Trump.

00:45:17.000 So, punch half of the American population.

00:45:19.600 Well, we're punching back.

00:45:21.880 So, how do we, Gavin, how do we, how do we solve this as a nation?

00:45:31.860 I mean, are we just headed towards civil war?

00:45:33.520 Yes, I dread the election.

00:45:38.500 I'm honestly considering being on a boat when he wins.

00:45:42.280 But, but I think that we have to stop being on the defensive.

00:45:46.200 They've tricked us.

00:45:47.300 And it's pure Solowinski.

00:45:48.820 They've tricked us into constantly saying, no, no, no, I didn't say that.

00:45:51.820 No, no, no, I don't believe that.

00:45:53.000 No, no, no.

00:45:53.500 I'm not that.

00:45:54.400 I'm not violent.

00:45:55.040 We have to just start going on the defensive and saying, you're violent.

00:45:58.680 Like, I could never dream of getting a concealed carry in Manhattan.

00:46:04.420 Only cops get it.

00:46:05.860 Only cops.

00:46:06.600 And it's gotten much worse in the past few years.

00:46:09.600 I think Michael Bloomberg has one.

00:46:13.520 Chuck Schumer definitely has one.

00:46:15.380 Moms against guns, bodyguards, they're all well-armed.

00:46:18.800 But we've got to go.

00:46:19.840 In a city where there's a murder a day, we've got to wander around unarmed.

00:46:24.140 But they have us begging for bump stocks when we should be demanding concealed carry.

00:46:30.620 So I think the solution going forward is stop defending yourself all the time.

00:46:35.780 Stop saying, no, I'm not a racist.

00:46:37.540 No, I'm not a Nazi.

00:46:38.740 Say, no, you're a racist.

00:46:40.120 You're a Nazi.

00:46:40.800 I want a concealed carry.

00:46:42.620 You better stop hitting people or I'm going to hit you.

00:46:45.380 Now, I know that you believe that America is a Christian nation.

00:46:53.220 I know you had a turning point in 2001 where you really saw the importance of God in our society.

00:47:03.580 Am I right on that?

00:47:05.280 Yeah.

00:47:05.640 So, I mean, the big catalyst for me was when my daughter was born.

00:47:10.320 But 2001 really politicized me.

00:47:12.880 I was living in the Lower East Side.

00:47:14.160 It was a couple miles from the Trade Center.

00:47:16.020 I saw the first tower on fire.

00:47:18.860 I saw the second plane hit.

00:47:20.680 And I just sort of, I think Pamela Geller was the same way and Anthony Cumia.

00:47:24.440 And we all sort of went, wait a minute.

00:47:25.960 What have you guys been doing?

00:47:27.680 We weren't really paying attention.

00:47:28.900 But it sounds like you don't have everything under control.

00:47:31.920 And then we started seeing that they were, you know, ignoring problems with Islam for the sake of political correctness.

00:47:39.000 Britain being a very exaggerated example of that.

00:47:43.480 And so we started sort of peeling back the layers of the onion.

00:47:45.880 And we realized that the government is incompetent from top to bottom, from the DMV to the White House.

00:47:52.420 And then we started thinking, all right, we have to start arming ourselves.

00:47:56.520 You know, not to kiss your ass, Glenn, but one of my favorite books is Miracles and Massacres.

00:48:01.240 And I love the beginning of the book where you said it broke into three categories.

00:48:05.340 It was the good guys win, the bad guys win, or the good guys lose because they listen to the bad guys.

00:48:11.680 And in every example, it's big government telling people what to do.

00:48:15.640 So we have to get back to that sort of founding fathers mentality where we say we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore.

00:48:23.460 And no, I don't trust you bureaucrat to control my life.

00:48:26.900 You're getting us beat up.

00:48:28.900 All right.

00:48:29.500 So I want to continue our conversation.

00:48:32.480 And I want to take you to the press here when we come back, take a quick break, back with Gavin McGinnis, who has been outlawed.

00:48:43.280 He has been suspended from Twitter.

00:48:47.340 And I believe it's permanent suspension, is it not?

00:48:52.020 So we'll continue talking to him.

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00:50:19.360 Glenn Beck.

00:50:25.900 Talking to Gavin McGinnis.

00:50:28.680 Gavin is a host on CRTV.

00:50:33.160 His show is Get Off My Lawn, which I think is fantastic.

00:50:38.760 He has been banned now from Twitter.

00:50:42.900 I'm still trying to figure out what Twitter used as the excuse, Gavin.

00:50:48.400 Do you know?

00:50:49.240 I mean, I know they said that you were, you know, calling for violence.

00:50:52.700 But did you not just disavow the day before the march to, you know, for the alt-right?

00:51:00.980 Did you not just disavow that and violence?

00:51:04.120 Yeah.

00:51:04.320 And I felt redundant.

00:51:05.840 I mean, that's so not what we're about.

00:51:07.440 It's, you know what, the liberals have to understand?

00:51:10.380 It's so not what anyone is about.

00:51:12.820 There are more albino skateboarders than there are neo-Nazis in America.

00:51:18.780 We are wasting our time talking about this.

00:51:20.900 There's way more Muslim terrorists than there are white nationalist terrorists.

00:51:25.940 It's a myth that they keep pushing.

00:51:28.280 So I felt silly saying, for the record, I have nothing to do with Unite the Right, nor am

00:51:34.140 I an albino skateboarder.

00:51:35.500 But I put it out there anyway.

00:51:37.380 And that was maybe 10 tweets before I was gone.

00:51:41.560 There are no specific examples.

00:51:43.940 And the email I got from them said, you have been banned four.

00:51:48.740 And then there's a blank space in the email that says, if you ever try to start a new account,

00:51:54.020 we'll ban you, blah, blah, blah.

00:51:54.920 Yeah, so I think Jack was getting a lot of pressure from the fat tech nerds.

00:51:59.780 And I'm told from insiders that it was about violence.

00:52:03.560 That was their linchpin.

00:52:04.820 But at the end of the day, we all know the truth.

00:52:07.080 And the truth is that I am a conservative with mass appeal like, you know, like Dave Rubin

00:52:15.460 and Jordan Peterson in the sense that they spout some conservative values.

00:52:19.160 And that's a real threat to the left.

00:52:21.420 Richard Spencer, David Duke, those guys will never gain traction because they are bonafide

00:52:26.740 white nationalists.

00:52:27.760 And that's a very esoteric belief.

00:52:30.560 But I am a normal beer drinking dad with the same views as a punk Archie Bunker.

00:52:37.820 And young people are seeing this and saying, these guys have a lot less rules than the left.

00:52:43.360 They seem a lot more fun.

00:52:44.580 You know, we were the ones responsible for those Donald Trump stars up and down Hollywood

00:52:48.800 Boulevard.

00:52:49.700 I think that was as infuriating to the left as any punch because it was cool and funny

00:52:57.280 and pulled in young people.

00:52:59.400 That's what's freaking them out is this this huge wave of of black Americans and millennial

00:53:04.980 Americans who are coming over saying, you guys seem like the fun side.

00:53:10.380 So so, Gavin, I and I agree with you that you seem like the fun side, but you you also are

00:53:17.320 you're not calling for violence.

00:53:18.760 You're just saying we'll take the punch and deliver the punch back.

00:53:23.520 You are you're you're intentionally going into an atmosphere where violent people are

00:53:30.680 going to try to punch you and you're going to punch back.

00:53:33.940 It's exactly like guns.

00:53:36.060 Guns are there.

00:53:37.220 Guns are not going away.

00:53:38.740 So how about some good guys have guns for a change?

00:53:41.640 Violence is there.

00:53:42.680 Violence is not going away.

00:53:43.920 Just like the crime in the south side of Chicago, Antifa is going to be at rallies punching

00:53:48.740 people in the face, throwing bricks at them.

00:53:51.300 So how about some good guys have some violence for a change?

00:53:54.420 And again, just like my dad always said, don't start fights, but you finish them.

00:53:59.200 The only other option is to sit there and get a pounding.

00:54:02.720 And I'm not talking about a punch in the face.

00:54:05.300 You look at the weapons that were confiscated last year at the Portland Antifa riots, and it

00:54:11.720 was it looks macabre.

00:54:13.460 It looked like the year 700 in Germany, like there was a T-shaped knife that goes to your

00:54:18.680 fingers.

00:54:19.400 And some of my guys are coming back and they have claw marks where they didn't have body

00:54:24.080 armor, and that's from the front of a hammer where they're being hit.

00:54:28.380 And these guys are doing it, you know, with masks on, hiding behind three other people,

00:54:33.120 and they're hospitalizing us.

00:54:34.520 I just had a guy in a bar in Arizona the other night.

00:54:37.920 Some Antifa ran in.

00:54:39.660 Usually the bartenders, if they're kind of punky, they're in on this.

00:54:43.220 They call on Antifa.

00:54:44.440 They whipped a brick at his face, shattered his jaw, and opened up a massive hole.

00:54:49.720 The left wants us to just sit down and take it.

00:54:51.740 In fact, what was his name?

00:54:53.420 Alan Foyer is a journalist at the New York Times, and he followed us around for a while.

00:54:57.540 And then, of course, he's in the back with a hit piece, as I wanted to do.

00:55:00.800 But he said, I think it would be a lot more effective if you would just take it, and then

00:55:05.700 you could show how violent they are.

00:55:07.280 And that's what Joey Gibson says, too.

00:55:09.260 He says, I'm going to go there, and if they kill me, that'll show the world how evil these

00:55:13.660 people are.

00:55:14.120 And I said, yeah, no, no.

00:55:17.060 I'm not doing that anymore.

00:55:18.480 That didn't work out for Martin Luther King.

00:55:20.700 I'm not doing it.

00:55:21.300 It did work out for Martin Luther King.

00:55:23.420 It did.

00:55:24.140 It didn't for him personally.

00:55:25.460 I mean, it kind of ended poorly for him.

00:55:27.140 But it did work out for Martin Luther King.

00:55:29.660 If Malcolm X would have been the one that really took hold, as opposed to Martin Luther

00:55:38.780 King, it wouldn't have been peaceful.

00:55:41.720 I mean, you look at, what's his name in South Africa?

00:55:47.020 Nelson Mandela.

00:55:48.300 I mean, it worked out for him.

00:55:50.140 It's not working out now, but it did work out.

00:55:53.640 Peace does work.

00:55:54.820 It worked for Gandhi.

00:55:55.600 Yeah, that was a different time.

00:56:00.480 People were more fair than we are dealing with mental patients.

00:56:03.680 We're dealing with people who have mental issues and want us to die.

00:56:09.400 I mean, take a Night for Freedom, for example.

00:56:12.000 That was a thing Mike Cernovich put on.

00:56:14.480 Antifa found out about it.

00:56:16.380 It was doxxed.

00:56:17.600 They come there.

00:56:18.260 The police have to build up barricades.

00:56:20.520 Meanwhile, Cernovich, I mean, I did a talk there, very benign.

00:56:23.840 You know, there was no talk about race, even.

00:56:26.680 It was just like Trump and freedom and blah, blah, blah, free speech.

00:56:30.460 You know, the first Ten Amendment type stuff, Bill of Rights stuff.

00:56:33.900 And so we're all leaving, and the police say we have to be escorted out to a taxi and then

00:56:38.700 get in the taxi.

00:56:39.860 So I did that, but there was some old Jewish guy, about 60 years old, and he said, I didn't

00:56:44.480 do anything wrong.

00:56:45.440 I'm not going to go hide into a taxi.

00:56:47.720 I'm not even that political.

00:56:49.060 Stand by.

00:56:49.960 More with Gavin McGinnis here in a second.

00:56:51.920 Stand by.

00:56:53.840 Having Gavin McGinnis on, and Gavin, I think that we probably disagree on an awful lot.

00:57:02.180 One, you know, you agree with the Malcolm X approach.

00:57:04.600 I agree with the Martin Luther King approach.

00:57:06.660 But we are entering a time that is really disturbing because we are not supposed to even discuss

00:57:15.320 these things.

00:57:16.080 Your voice, if you are deemed for violence, then your voice is silenced, which Twitter

00:57:23.840 did.

00:57:25.480 And we have to say, would you, for instance, would you be for the silencing of Antifa on

00:57:30.500 Twitter?

00:57:31.720 Absolutely not.

00:57:32.380 But now that there's a double standard, I do want them silenced.

00:57:36.640 You know, I'm at the point now where I think we have to embrace hypocrisy.

00:57:39.980 I want Samantha Bee to lose her show.

00:57:44.240 I want Roseanne Barr to get her show.

00:57:46.580 Because the glorious days of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and Gandhi, where there is some

00:57:51.880 semblance of logic and some sense of honor, is gone.

00:57:54.840 And to finish my previous story, so that guy leaves the event.

00:57:58.580 Antifa sees this old man, punches him, knocks him down.

00:58:02.500 He hits his head on the pavement.

00:58:04.320 Then the guy gets on top of him and starts strangling him.

00:58:07.180 He goes into cardiac arrest, is taken to the hospital, and then the guy starts attacking

00:58:12.940 the cops who are trying to arrest him.

00:58:15.380 So in a sense, this Antifa dude who's looking at years in prison is also a victim of this

00:58:19.980 bull roar hypocrisy, this fake propaganda.

00:58:24.560 Well, it's the era of postmodernism.

00:58:28.760 That's the problem.

00:58:29.500 There are people that are trying to destroy all reason, all common sense, all truth, as

00:58:36.180 we know it.

00:58:37.160 And I think people are getting more and more frustrated by it.

00:58:41.660 And, you know, one of the things I'm guessing we disagree on is this identitarian movement.

00:58:47.940 I understand because I feel it.

00:58:52.520 I'm proud of my country.

00:58:53.840 I love America.

00:58:54.920 I am ashamed of the parts of American history that, quite honestly, the big government people

00:59:00.880 like Andrew Jackson take and then decide that they can just kill people.

00:59:05.240 I am ashamed, I think, at the appropriate parts.

00:59:08.660 And I'm excited about the appropriate great parts of America.

00:59:12.960 But it's still the best thing out here.

00:59:15.240 And it is what I grew up with.

00:59:17.620 And it is part of who I am.

00:59:20.120 And don't take that away from me.

00:59:22.780 We are not all the same.

00:59:24.880 Mexicans are Mexicans and Canadians are Canadians, as you very well know.

00:59:29.700 And America is America.

00:59:31.680 And if I'm told if you're a Canadian and you're told all of a sudden that you can't

00:59:36.380 fly the Canadian flag because somehow or another that makes you a racist, I think you'd have

00:59:42.380 a problem with that.

00:59:43.840 So I understand that.

00:59:45.060 They did that in Halifax.

00:59:46.640 I know.

00:59:47.360 The Canadian flag.

00:59:48.480 I know.

00:59:49.460 And I understand that.

00:59:51.980 And I believe that's what's happening over in Europe.

00:59:54.340 But it is also being used and played upon by people that, you know, are not necessarily,

01:00:01.460 you know, the best people.

01:00:03.860 Well, look, I can't speak for the identitarian movement.

01:00:07.960 I went to Bataclan after the shooting in Paris and I met some there and they said they're

01:00:12.440 just they're basically, you know, about culture.

01:00:15.080 They hate hamburgers and they want baguettes back.

01:00:17.320 And there was a burger joint on every single corner.

01:00:20.100 Sure.

01:00:20.380 So I understand that France feels its culture diluting.

01:00:23.640 I feel the same way.

01:00:24.960 But the beauty of America and one of the reasons I came here is it's the freest country in the

01:00:30.160 world and it's the opposite of identity politics.

01:00:34.140 It's about ideas.

01:00:35.880 And it says, if you come here, you bust your ass, you're in.

01:00:39.720 And that's that's what I admire about it.

01:00:41.820 And all of this division based on who's a racist and who isn't is a total and utter

01:00:47.360 myth used by the DNC to split the country and try to get votes back.

01:00:53.020 I think their only policy this next election is going to be hate has no home here, which

01:00:58.720 the right sees as insulting and says, oh, so you're calling me a racist.

01:01:03.640 And then the next thing you know, they don't want anything to do with with the DNC.

01:01:08.300 And what it does is it pushes a lot of voters over to the right.

01:01:10.660 So I think the whole idea of identity politics is actually hurting the left because it's so

01:01:16.960 stupid.

01:01:18.440 Yeah, I agree.

01:01:19.320 I agree with that.

01:01:20.020 When you have a press that is this much in the bag where they are, they're giving us

01:01:26.900 a week's long buildup on, you know, on the alt right rally that that had 24 people show

01:01:34.680 up, 24, and then they ignore Antifa.

01:01:39.700 How do you isn't there a isn't there a really good Jesus point to be made or Martin Luther

01:01:46.540 King point to be made that they're going to make you into into that violent guy?

01:01:53.340 Why play into it?

01:01:56.160 I don't have a choice.

01:01:57.620 You know, when I walk down the street, I have to have I have to be ready to fight at all

01:02:01.720 times.

01:02:02.000 I think a lot of a lot of people, a lot of politicians, pundits, academics, they're not

01:02:06.880 here.

01:02:07.580 They're not at risk, but I'm at risk.

01:02:10.960 I have to be armed in my home and ready for an attack.

01:02:14.300 They threaten me on a daily basis.

01:02:15.980 They dox me.

01:02:17.160 You know, they threaten my kids at that at that rally I was talking about.

01:02:20.140 They were saying, bring Cernovich's kids down, threatening to end my kids.

01:02:24.680 They were threatening my kids.

01:02:26.140 So the gloves are off that this this this whole like common decency thing.

01:02:29.760 And that ship sailed a long time ago.

01:02:32.200 So I don't care how I'm portrayed.

01:02:34.500 I'm I'm not going to sit there and constantly defend myself because that's exactly what they

01:02:39.140 want to do.

01:02:39.660 I think it's time that we bought rules for radicals and we started following Solominski.

01:02:45.540 You know, if when they go low, we go lower.

01:02:47.580 I'm sick of all this high road crap.

01:02:49.220 It doesn't work.

01:02:52.540 I, you know, I just couldn't disagree with you more.

01:02:56.320 And I, you know, and that's that's cool.

01:02:58.700 I just I don't.

01:03:00.100 How do you answer this?

01:03:01.800 I can't.

01:03:03.220 I refuse to become everything I despise.

01:03:07.020 Okay, so how does the Joey Gibson March in Portland go?

01:03:11.980 We don't show up there.

01:03:13.200 He does the march right into Antifa with him and a handful of conservatives that live in

01:03:18.540 that wildly out left city of Portland.

01:03:21.620 Right.

01:03:21.780 How does that pan out?

01:03:23.040 He he gets destroyed, likely killed.

01:03:25.660 They all get beat up.

01:03:26.780 They're hospitalized, maybe killed.

01:03:29.800 And then the everyone turns on Antifa.

01:03:33.200 Is that how it works?

01:03:34.940 I mean, generally speaking, the reason why the reason why Bonhoeffer failed in Germany

01:03:39.980 is because the people had lost every underpinning to the Western world.

01:03:47.080 He couldn't figure out why it wasn't working in Germany.

01:03:50.300 And it's because there was no appeal in in in India.

01:03:55.480 The Indians wanted to rise up and kill everybody.

01:03:59.140 But Gandhi knew that there was enough of a Western way of life in England that would

01:04:04.820 see the principles and say, that's bad.

01:04:07.940 When you put Martin Luther King was right, you put good versus evil on a screen next to

01:04:11.760 each other.

01:04:12.280 When it's really clear, people will not want to be a part of that evil until the society

01:04:19.100 goes so far over the cliff like it did in Germany.

01:04:21.800 And I don't think we're there yet.

01:04:23.340 So I do think if if Antifa is killing people.

01:04:26.480 Yeah, I do think that wakes people up.

01:04:30.580 Yeah, but look at Obama.

01:04:32.560 The leftist media has been controlling the narrative so, so much that this scenario of

01:04:38.080 good and evil placed next to each other has become a pipe dream.

01:04:42.440 They controlled the narrative.

01:04:44.000 They made America racist.

01:04:45.880 They voted for Obama thinking it would solve everything.

01:04:48.580 And everything got worse.

01:04:49.700 And we became more socialist.

01:04:51.220 We're still recovering from the mess he made.

01:04:53.220 Like, I don't understand how how you can think that if we just play fair, everything will

01:05:00.160 work out.

01:05:00.680 I don't know.

01:05:01.080 No, no, no.

01:05:01.260 We're already in a civil war.

01:05:02.500 No, no.

01:05:02.720 I know we're in a cold civil war.

01:05:05.360 And I know that.

01:05:06.260 But I don't think that becoming those things that we despise helps us in the end.

01:05:17.540 I really don't.

01:05:18.740 I mean, I'm more of a George Washington guy who it was a fighter, but he also was a badge

01:05:24.880 of merit guy.

01:05:25.780 He was do the things that will, uh, you know, cause honor and, uh, and, and grace to come

01:05:34.540 down from the heavens because there's no way you can beat the greatest army in the world.

01:05:39.820 Great Britain.

01:05:40.640 You can't, you need God on your side.

01:05:42.940 Um, and, um, I just don't know how, how I look at the Gavin.

01:05:50.600 And here's the thing I have struggled with this in my head for the last 10 years, I have

01:05:58.300 gone back and forth in my head on, uh, on, you know, you're not going to win.

01:06:02.860 It's not going to win.

01:06:03.660 It's not going to win.

01:06:04.820 Uh, and I just can make my decision for me.

01:06:08.520 My reason for having you on today is not to expose you or to, uh, to, uh, uh, have a

01:06:16.200 great debate and change your mind or anything else.

01:06:18.260 My, my goal to have you on today was this is the kind of conversation that America should

01:06:25.060 be having right now.

01:06:26.240 And we can't, we're not allowed to explore and, and have a real Malcolm X Martin Luther

01:06:34.240 King discussion because everybody will just, everybody will just form a Twitter mob and

01:06:40.940 we must begin to talk to each other and have deep and important conversations like this and

01:06:47.820 be able to walk away respecting each other.

01:06:50.980 And speaking of the founding fathers before America, that was sort of what started America.

01:06:56.820 Britain said, I want a bunch of different newspapers all up and down the East coast.

01:07:00.580 I want you guys to have dissenting opinions.

01:07:02.760 I want there to be right papers, left papers.

01:07:05.340 I want you to have debates and, and they encouraged the militia.

01:07:08.720 They encouraged us to learn what guns are.

01:07:10.320 And the next thing you know, we said, why don't we just start our own country?

01:07:13.080 And that sunlight brought up, got out the disinfectant and destroyed Britain.

01:07:18.720 Now we're getting away from that.

01:07:20.300 Now we're getting into Soviet style tactics.

01:07:22.880 And I just want to make something clear on the record here.

01:07:25.120 I'm not someone who goes out condoning violence and need to fight these people.

01:07:29.220 All I'm saying is if, if Lauren Southern or, or Dave Rubin or Jordan Peterson or Alan Dershowitz

01:07:36.140 or C.H.

01:07:36.740 Summers or Charles Murray or any of these people that, that college students hate, if they want

01:07:41.500 to do a talk, then we should go there and make sure they're able to do that talk.

01:07:45.260 That's it.

01:07:46.020 Don't go to an Antifa rally.

01:07:47.480 Don't go to a communist rally.

01:07:48.900 Don't go fighting people, but just make sure that someone is able to do their speech.

01:07:54.840 And that's become radical in America.

01:07:57.260 It's radical to want to let a benign classical liberal like Jordan Peterson do a talk.

01:08:03.960 And that makes me angry.

01:08:05.560 Me too.

01:08:06.160 Me too.

01:08:06.840 Gavin, thank you so much.

01:08:08.420 And let us, are you, have you been permanently banned?

01:08:10.920 Is there any kind of discussion going on with?

01:08:15.260 Nope.

01:08:15.780 I'm permanently banned and I don't care.

01:08:18.420 It's fine for me.

01:08:19.340 I was actually using a little too much anyway.

01:08:21.000 I was getting addicted.

01:08:21.960 I'm really going to see my kids again.

01:08:24.840 All right.

01:08:25.620 Gavin McGinnis.

01:08:26.240 Thank you so much.

01:08:27.140 Appreciate it.

01:08:28.080 Gavin McGinnis.

01:08:31.460 I think this is.

01:08:36.060 Was there any part of that that shouldn't have been heard today?

01:08:40.980 I mean, the point is you're supposed to have these conversations, right?

01:08:43.620 And the fact that Twitter wants to ban it from happening is just odd.

01:08:48.160 Again, I would tell you where to follow Gavin on Twitter, but you can't.

01:08:51.040 There's no, there's no place to go.

01:08:52.300 Well, he is on CRTV and you can subscribe to CRTV and watch his show.

01:08:59.020 I just, I don't, I don't have to agree with people.

01:09:05.800 In fact, I expect not to agree with people, but their voices should be heard.

01:09:10.780 And we have to have these open dialogues that end in respect for one another, because if

01:09:18.380 we don't, then the only thing left is violence.

01:09:22.780 We have to have respectful debates.

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01:11:00.300 Giancarlo Sopo is going to be joining us.

01:11:03.640 He is next.

01:11:04.500 He is, this is going to be fascinating.

01:11:06.860 He is a Democrat who is, his family is from Cuba.

01:11:14.720 And he says, everything you're being told about democratic socialism is a lie.

01:11:19.880 And he is, he's not a, he's not a political guy at all.

01:11:24.620 He's just a guy who's looking for the truth.

01:11:26.140 And he says, you have to know.

01:11:28.580 Americans need to know.

01:11:29.920 And he wrote this great article called Democratic Socialism is a Scam.

01:11:34.940 It was in Quillette.

01:11:36.100 If you haven't read Quillette yet, you need to.

01:11:39.160 It's a great online magazine.

01:11:41.740 But he's going to be joining us here in just a few minutes.

01:11:46.660 Let me go to Ian real quickly in Kansas.

01:11:48.800 Hello, Ian.

01:11:49.380 Welcome to the program.

01:11:51.020 Hi, Glenn.

01:11:51.960 Hi.

01:11:52.300 Long time listener.

01:11:53.220 Huge fan of yours.

01:11:54.040 Thank you.

01:11:55.480 You know, I don't think, listening to that Gavin McInnes interview you just did, aside

01:12:00.460 from the Malcolm X comment, I really don't think you and Gavin disagree on much.

01:12:05.760 I kind of think his mentality is just, you know, the whole speak softly, you know, carry

01:12:11.500 big stick mentality of, you know, if they threaten us, if they threaten my friends and

01:12:15.740 family, I mean, I don't want to just lay down and take it.

01:12:18.780 And I don't completely disagree with that.

01:12:20.560 I get your point, too, that we need to be the peacemakers.

01:12:23.580 I watched you during Restoring Honor and Restoring Love, and I'm a big believer in the whole

01:12:28.080 peacemakers thing.

01:12:30.740 But at the same time, look, this last weekend, here in my town of Lawrence, Kansas, Antifa

01:12:38.600 came to Lawrence the other day and forced two people, and I didn't know these people,

01:12:45.760 but they were carrying American flags and shaking first responders' hands at a sort

01:12:50.880 of like a community event that they were having in Lawrence.

01:12:55.040 And Antifa comes and forms a mob around these two people, and I'm just filming it, and they

01:13:00.260 are shouting these people down.

01:13:02.060 Luckily, no one got hurt, but they're shouting these two people down.

01:13:04.840 I would say they're in their 50s or 60s.

01:13:06.860 Yeah.

01:13:07.160 And they're forming a mob around them, and they just forced them out of a public park.

01:13:10.680 So, I mean, I know, I know, I know, I get both parts.

01:13:14.520 These are violent people.

01:13:15.720 They're, it was a scary situation.

01:13:18.180 We just, it's just like, it's coming to our heartland.

01:13:21.140 I know, and it, and it will, and I told you that these times would come, but you must be

01:13:27.240 different enough to be able to be considered a refuge.

01:13:31.860 You don't, you just don't want to be a part of the violence.

01:13:37.720 Glenn Beck.

01:13:39.160 It's Monday, August 13th.

01:13:41.480 This is the Glenn Beck program.

01:13:43.840 I read an article in Quillette.

01:13:47.480 Democratic socialism is a scam.

01:13:50.260 And here's why it stood out.

01:13:52.040 It's from a guy whose family has lived it, knows it.

01:13:57.080 It's from a guy who, who took the democratic socialists platform and brought it over to,

01:14:04.640 to a bunch of Norwegian economists and 11 out of the 12 said, no, this is way radical.

01:14:12.740 This is not what we're doing over here.

01:14:16.300 He says it's dangerous and it's a scam and everybody in America needs to know.

01:14:20.100 The other reason why I, I found his article so interesting is he's a Democrat.

01:14:25.180 He's not a political kind of guy.

01:14:28.400 He's just generally voted for the Democrats.

01:14:31.900 Giancarlo Sopo is with us now.

01:14:34.680 How are you, sir?

01:14:36.400 Glenn, it's a pleasure to be with you.

01:14:38.260 It's, it's, it's mine.

01:14:39.660 Thank you so much for coming on.

01:14:41.460 So tell me about, take us through the article for anybody who didn't read it.

01:14:47.100 Sure.

01:14:48.160 So for, I guess, 99.9% of the people who are listening, who have no idea who I am.

01:14:53.960 I was born and raised in Miami.

01:14:55.940 My parents are Cuban exiles.

01:14:58.580 I was raised in a staunchly Reagan anti-communist household in the 1980s.

01:15:04.640 And, uh, you know, my, my mom, she worked as a social worker, uh, my father, he was a

01:15:10.020 veteran of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

01:15:12.200 Uh, he was one of the brave people who tried to liberate Cuba.

01:15:16.160 And I, I, I grew up with a strong sense of appreciation for this country and everything

01:15:21.520 it did for my family.

01:15:22.720 Uh, but you know, I'm also a Democrat.

01:15:24.460 Uh, I don't think those two are incompatible with one another.

01:15:27.240 Um, and you know, so growing up as a kid, I, I, I learned about the realities of

01:15:34.080 socialism.

01:15:34.560 So fast forward, uh, you know, throughout my career, I've, uh, volunteered for democratic

01:15:40.620 campaigns.

01:15:41.100 I've worked for democratic campaigns.

01:15:43.080 I've been very involved in the past.

01:15:45.620 And I, it, it just absolutely, it's perplexing to see, uh, people within my own party leaders

01:15:52.180 at the highest levels embracing so-called democratic socialism, uh, which is an oxymoron as far as

01:15:58.720 I'm concerned and which I consider completely inconsistent with the best traditions of, uh,

01:16:03.840 president Kennedy, president Truman, and the, uh, you know, some of the values of our party,

01:16:09.360 uh, which I've always seen as a party that, you know, believes in social programs and,

01:16:13.120 and a certain level of a welfare state to help people through tough times, but not, uh, you

01:16:18.560 know, not a full blown socialization of the economy.

01:16:20.800 And it's incredibly troubling to see the degree to which Americans are being misled into believing

01:16:28.260 that democratic socialism is what they have in Europe.

01:16:30.720 Uh, so I, like, like you said earlier, I approached a team of economists in Oslo, Norway, and I

01:16:38.840 just asked them point blank, a series of questions, had them fill out a questionnaire, uh, to get

01:16:43.600 a sense of how exactly does this ideology of democratic socialism, uh, stack up against

01:16:50.400 their own political spectrum. And, uh, what, what I realized is that this is, these are fringe

01:16:57.040 views, even by Scandinavian standards. Uh, mind you, I showed them, uh, an article from Vox, which is a

01:17:04.080 liberal publication describing what democratic socialism is. And, you know, when it talks about wanting to

01:17:10.860 nationalize industries, uh, abolish private ownership of event of small and medium enterprises,

01:17:16.620 turning the economy into, uh, uh, you know, like a series of co-ops and forcing, uh, you know, uh,

01:17:23.580 limiting the private sector to non-essential functions. And this is completely inconsistent

01:17:28.700 with what they have in Scandinavia and the degree to which this is being promoted as such in this

01:17:33.880 country, as someone who's worked in communications and public relations for 10 years, I can tell you

01:17:38.800 this is a massive, uh, well-coordinated campaign to deceive the American people that, uh, to make

01:17:46.340 this more socially acceptable to, to normalize it to some extent. And I believe it's a massive scam

01:17:51.720 being perpetrated on voters, particularly people of my generation who are millennials, who they didn't

01:17:57.200 have the same experience that I had growing up, uh, in a, in a family that lived through the cold war.

01:18:02.520 My, my grandfather, uh, Rogelio Sopo Barreto, he died as a political prisoner in Cuba,

01:18:08.000 opposing the, these same kinds of policies. And I don't think most people in the United States

01:18:13.880 have not had that kind of an experience, have not felt it so close. Uh, my wife is Cuban,

01:18:19.220 so we've, we, we have to deal with the realities of socialism at least once a month to send her mom

01:18:24.540 remittances, uh, to help her, help her survive. So, you know, it's important, I think, for Americans

01:18:31.160 to fully, uh, understand what exactly this ideology is and what it is not.

01:18:37.200 So, um, I think that there is a, there was a moment here recently where the masks came off

01:18:44.460 and some democratic socialists are coming out and saying, yeah, we want an end to capitalism,

01:18:49.700 but the Democrats are denying that. Um, and, and I think with the loss of so many democratic

01:18:56.800 socialists, those masks are going to go back on. Um, uh, what, why are the, why is the party

01:19:04.360 leadership just going down this road with something that is as radical as you know it to be?

01:19:12.780 Well, I think they are trying to leverage it, uh, because they see that young people are excited

01:19:19.200 about it. So I think they're viewing it as a way to leverage the, the blightful ignorance of many

01:19:24.180 for the political gain of a handful of politicians. Uh, and I, I think that's just, it's, it's,

01:19:31.840 it's immoral. It's a blemish on the party of John F. Kennedy who stood up to socialism, uh, right,

01:19:38.860 right at that, in front of the Berlin wall. And, and, and it's not, it's what, what they're trying

01:19:45.060 to do is to kind of like channel this excitement into victories at the voting booth. And my, look,

01:19:49.840 I want to be clear. I, I'm, I am going to vote for the democratic candidate in my local congressional

01:19:55.260 district, uh, who's, uh, Donna Shalala, who's a, you know, a middle of the road Democrat. Uh, I,

01:20:02.000 I am comfortable personally with, with social programs. I told you my mom worked for the state

01:20:06.520 of Florida, uh, growing up and I, I am comfortable with certain, you know, certain degrees of, of

01:20:12.840 liberalism. And you're, you're an FDR. You're an, I hate to use FDR because I don't think he is what,

01:20:18.680 um, what we're taught, but I'm a JFK Democrat, JFK Democrat. Right. Yeah. My grandfather was a JFK

01:20:25.180 Democrat. Uh, and, and there's nothing wrong with that. And, but there's a difference between those

01:20:31.600 that want to end the system of the constitutional rule, uh, the bill of rights and capitalism and

01:20:39.340 a, a good, you know, John F. Kennedy Democrat, but we're, exactly, but we're being told, uh, you know,

01:20:48.140 if you watch the media, the, the John F. Kennedy Democrat doesn't exist.

01:20:55.140 No. And that's sad because I think there's certainly the, the democratic party should be,

01:20:59.900 should have big enough of a tent where, uh, someone like Joe Manchin can coexist with a

01:21:05.520 Democrat who says, Hey, look, I think, you know, our healthcare system, uh, should be, uh, more

01:21:10.640 something aligned like Medicare for all. I think both of those ideas can certainly exist when the

01:21:14.540 democratic platform, mind you, I also think we should be looking at countries like Switzerland

01:21:18.120 who have, that have universal healthcare and do not have a socialized medicine. So I think all

01:21:24.140 of those ideas should fit within the democratic party platform, but I also think it is just,

01:21:29.040 it's just simply dishonest to tell, to tell the American people, and this is coming from MSNBC,

01:21:35.120 from the Washington post, from the New York times, uh, from a pod save America, uh, at, at the

01:21:41.280 highest levels of media and from the political leadership of this country, Americans are being

01:21:46.460 told that democratic socialism is something that they have in Scandinavia. And that's just,

01:21:51.080 that's just a canard. It is not true. And it has to be exposed for what it is, which is a giant,

01:21:56.040 that's a giant scam. Why do you say that it's a canard? I mean, you know, the idea of democratic

01:22:01.060 socialism, you'll hear the defenders say, well, no, it's up to the people. If they vote to do that,

01:22:06.400 then we'll do that. Right. So that's exactly the, that's so that, that's a great question.

01:22:13.740 And I think that question leads us into what's, what's happened in Latin America. So I'm going

01:22:17.680 to use two examples for you. One is Venezuela under Hugo Chavez that was started going down that

01:22:22.620 road in late 1998. And the other is Argentina under Nestor and Christina Kirshner. We'll start

01:22:28.680 with Venezuela first. Hugo Chavez runs for office in, uh, in, you know, to be the president of the

01:22:34.460 country. And he promises that he's not going to nationalize anything that the media is going to

01:22:39.020 be entirely in private hands. Uh, there is a fantastic clip of him, uh, you know, speaking

01:22:44.800 with Jorge Ramos from Univision, where he makes these three points very clear. He says, Oh, I have

01:22:49.980 no interest in nationalizing any businesses or expropriating any assets. I just want free healthcare

01:22:55.160 and education for my people. Uh, and shortly within a matter of time, uh, what, what he's began

01:23:01.360 doing was he started nationalizing, uh, you know, certain parts of the economy, the, the,

01:23:06.600 the oil, the oil industry in Venezuela, which was partially nationalized. He just fully nationalized

01:23:11.580 it. When the, when the workers at PDVSA, which is the national oil company began rebelling

01:23:17.600 against some of his policies, cause he put in these absurd, uh, production quotas when, when

01:23:23.300 they said, look, if you do this, you're going to ruin our entire oil industry. And they refused

01:23:27.760 to implement, uh, Chavez's policies. He fired 18,000 of them and replaced them largely with

01:23:33.060 cronies. One of them was his cousin. And this accelerated Venezuela's economic collapse,

01:23:38.260 right? So when, when Democrats and people in the media say, Oh, it's bad faith to bring

01:23:43.380 up Venezuela. They're saying that because they're judging it based on the outcomes of the exact

01:23:48.520 same kinds of policies that the democratic socialists are proposing, right? It's a, there's

01:23:53.800 a tremendous disconnect between intent and outcomes. And, um, let's, you know, you could

01:23:59.600 also look at cases like in Argentina under Christina Kirshner, who she didn't call herself a democratic

01:24:04.500 socialist per se, but she pursued those kinds of policies. Uh, so the government of Buenos

01:24:08.860 Aires inflated its, its public sector payroll, I think like something like 61%. Uh, they began

01:24:15.140 nationalizing companies cause they said that it was in the public's best interest. Uh, all

01:24:19.840 of which was done with the intention of, uh, uh, you know, uh, prolonging her stay in power and

01:24:26.760 making her politically stronger. And the results of, uh, of her democratic socialist policies were so

01:24:33.020 disastrous in Argentina that the government, uh, that the secretary of commerce was caught

01:24:39.280 manipulating, uh, economic data to conceal how bad they were actually performing. It's something

01:24:46.040 that like, uh, Krishna has been out of office for like two years already. It's something that the

01:24:50.400 current administration is still working to clean up because it was so disastrous. So you cannot give

01:24:55.640 these people an inch because they do not play by the same rules. Uh, they do not share the same

01:25:00.760 values. You know, Glenn, you, you and I might have disagreements on the scope of social programs or

01:25:05.800 whatever, but at the end of the day, we can, we can have a beer and agree that my, the local bagel

01:25:10.600 shop down the street shouldn't be turned into a co-op or nationalized. Right. Um, so, but here's the,

01:25:16.720 here's the problem. I think this is, this is, this could have avoided so much nastiness during,

01:25:25.300 uh, the Obama years had we, um, had we had this conversation and had Democrats said what you're

01:25:33.900 saying now, but because there are people that say, you know, Hey, look, we, we can have a

01:25:41.860 conversation on how much welfare and what works best and everything else. We can have those

01:25:46.620 conversations, but there are a lot of people that that's not their goal. And there, it's a lot of

01:25:53.720 people in the democratic party. Um, and, uh, and so you kind of, if no one will discuss this,

01:26:01.380 you kind of then say, I got to loot, I got to lump all of you together. Cause I can't trust you.

01:26:06.560 For instance, here's this, an old clip, a clip that happened during the Obama administration.

01:26:11.020 This from, from, uh, Maxine waters. Listen to this. This liberal will be all about socializing. Uh,

01:26:16.500 um, would be about

01:26:19.740 basically taking over and the government running all of your companies. Okay. Now she thought that was

01:26:30.820 better than using the word socializing you, but so when you have that come out as a mistake,

01:26:38.900 how do you know who's, who's going too far and who's not?

01:26:44.440 Yeah, no, I mean, it's important. Look, I think the Democrats are in an unenviable position, uh,

01:26:51.060 for the most part in, in, in, in the extent that they've historically been a moderate party that bought

01:26:56.200 into some of the, you know, the, the, the, the basic pretext of, uh, free market economics,

01:27:00.600 but they wanted some, some degree of moderation. So they faced some of the same, uh, troubles that,

01:27:05.800 but that parties throughout the entire world face that are in that, in that similar positions,

01:27:10.620 uh, where they, you know, that they can't be like free trade absolutists or because of their

01:27:14.960 political constituency. So I, I think it's a difficult, it's like a difficult, difficult needle to

01:27:19.940 thread, but it's one that I personally don't have a problem threading because it's, I've,

01:27:23.380 I've worked in Latin America. I understand that the differences between those political systems

01:27:28.220 and what they have in Europe, I've spent time in London. Um, so I, I am not, uh, you know, it's,

01:27:33.960 it's, it's something that comes very natural for me, but I understand, you know, if, if for most people,

01:27:38.260 most people, the closest that they've been to Scandinavia is the pavilion at, at Disney world.

01:27:43.480 Right. Right. And, and, you know, there's another reason why, first of all, I mean,

01:27:48.940 if you look at the Scandinavia on the, on the freedom scale, they are right in there with

01:27:54.360 freedom scale with us. In fact, in many cases, they're better than we are on starting new

01:27:59.000 businesses, et cetera, et cetera. Um, uh, so that's different, but, but also that's always

01:28:06.300 been a very homogenized society. It's it's America is completely different. Uh, and it's,

01:28:15.140 it's, it's hard when you are, you're talking about 350 million people, all from different

01:28:23.100 backgrounds, all different, all wanting different stuff and open borders. I mean, Milton Freeman,

01:28:29.520 you can have one or the other. You can't have both. Yep. Yeah, totally. You can. So take for

01:28:35.840 instance, Denmark, Denmark has historically had a merit-based immigration system. It's part of what

01:28:41.180 makes their welfare state possible because just for simple demographic reasons, let's put aside

01:28:47.200 like ideology or, or, or moral reasons. Uh, you know, like for just simple demographic reasons,

01:28:53.160 you need a certain amount of input versus output in terms of social spending to, to maintain the

01:28:57.980 program's viability. Um, so they've controlled their immigration. You cannot have unlimited immigration

01:29:04.220 and also have an unlimited welfare state. You have to pick one or the other. And so it's,

01:29:10.940 it's, but it's incredibly frustrating, at least for me to have this conversation with some of my

01:29:15.380 fellow Democrats, because I've been asked, Oh, have you been red pilled? Uh, are you, are you,

01:29:21.220 you know, I just had somebody, uh, who's a consultant in, in local democratic politics ask me if I'm

01:29:27.340 working for Republicans, if I'm being paid to say this kind of stuff. And I'm not, I mean, I mean,

01:29:31.620 I just, I generally believe in this, uh, it's, but it's, it's, it's kind of, it's difficult to

01:29:36.940 have a good faith conversation with people because I think there is such a resistance,

01:29:41.260 like we've Democrats have been, you know, focused on extremism on the right side of the aisle for so

01:29:47.340 long that, that there is this, like really just this internal resistance to avoid this cognitive

01:29:53.020 dissonance of having to come to terms with the fact that like, Hey, guess what? We have,

01:29:57.200 we have plenty of crazy people on our side too. And they're, they're, yeah. And they're no longer

01:30:03.640 like, just like some hippies in, in, on the West coast. I mean, there's like real people who are,

01:30:09.680 uh, in, within the corridors of power. Uh, and it's, you know, so we have to come to terms with

01:30:15.080 that. And I think we need to have this conversation, which I know many people in the party are trying

01:30:19.800 to avoid. Um, but I think it's important at least for, for the wellbeing of the country to draw a clear

01:30:25.940 line in the sand and say, uh, we are not going to become a socialist party. That's not who we are.

01:30:31.860 That's not, and that's not what I'm, you know, it's unconstitutional and, and it would, it would

01:30:37.100 betray the legacy of our leaders. It would betray millions of Latinos in this country, which is

01:30:42.840 something nobody's talking about. Right. Uh, somehow we're expected to believe that Norway, which has

01:30:48.860 5 million people, and it's one of the freest economies in the world is more, uh, representative of

01:30:54.560 socialism than the, you know, the 42 million people who live between just Cuba and Venezuela

01:31:00.920 alone. That, you know, that Norway is more representative of socialism than those two

01:31:08.080 countries are. It's insane. Giancarlo, I have to tell you, um, first, I, I'm sorry to cut you off.

01:31:13.800 We're out of time, but I, I want to have you back and spend some real time with you. Uh, I, uh,

01:31:19.440 you are a Jack Kennedy Democrat, uh, which I don't even know if they'd be, well, I don't

01:31:25.900 know if Jack Kennedy would even be welcome in the Republican party today, let alone the

01:31:30.060 Democratic party. Uh, you have, uh, quite, uh, a refreshing point of view and I thank you

01:31:37.580 so much for having the balls to come on and, and have it with us. Uh, you can follow him

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01:32:59.160 Glenn Beck. Maybe we can come back and talk about who are the crazy Democrats. Because we hear a lot

01:33:05.560 about how there's this group of sensible Democrats and we've heard from one here this hour. But we

01:33:11.800 hear, uh, often that there are kind of these sort of crazy Democrats who embrace this sort of

01:33:17.020 democratic socialism. Who are they? Because we need to make sure we're calling that out. So there's a

01:33:21.420 separation line between people who are trying to make the country better with it, within its barriers

01:33:25.360 and its boundaries as implied in the constitution. And those are going a totally different direction.

01:33:29.660 We'll get into that coming up.

01:33:38.900 Welcome back to the program. A couple of things. Peter Strzok has just been fired.

01:33:43.360 I know, I know. He's, he was still working there? I know. Right? Uh, yeah, he was. He's, uh, just been

01:33:51.200 fired for his, uh, anti-Trump tweets. Uh, and it wasn't the president that did this. It was the, uh,

01:33:57.320 FBI, the office of, uh, I don't know, act like an adult or something like that, uh, recommended,

01:34:03.860 uh, that they fire him. And so they have just good news. And that's all really, I care to talk

01:34:10.920 about with the Trump thing. How about you? Yeah. I don't know if there's anything more to it right

01:34:13.740 now. I mean, it's not exactly unexpected. He was, I don't think he was a, an employee in good

01:34:18.300 standing. What do you think? What do you think about, uh, Giancarlo, the guy we just had on?

01:34:23.200 It was really interesting. I mean, I, you get, uh, inspired by hoping that people can see

01:34:29.000 this and see the world the way he does. He's getting beat up. He's getting torn apart.

01:34:33.280 Yeah. Because it's the second you, you don't embrace the full move to, you know, democratic

01:34:43.200 socialism. And, you know, that's just a, what is that? That's just another step, right?

01:34:48.460 Like socialism famously for Marx was just a pit stop on the way to communism. It's just

01:34:54.420 the way it's a stop on the way there. The step between capitalism and communism is the

01:35:00.520 way he describes it. And, you know, to me, democratic socialism is the step on the way

01:35:04.900 to socialism. Yeah. And the democratic party has been lately seeming like just the step on

01:35:11.400 the way to the democratic socialists. And I would love to see more people who view it the

01:35:15.220 way he does, which is like, you know what? We do disagree on the scope of government,

01:35:19.860 but that's a healthy debate. Yeah. Right. And I, and I think, you know, if you look at

01:35:24.180 what Democrats of the sixties and seventies, you know, mainstream were proposing, most of

01:35:31.420 that stuff has happened. I want to have him back. I'm going to have him back on. Cause

01:35:35.100 he said, you know, there's a lot of people in the democratic party and we have to have this

01:35:38.160 conversation that are, you know, have gone off the deep end. Oh, who, who, who, who are

01:35:44.000 those? Who are those people? Cause I bet you, we agree. Yeah. I mean, you just give me the

01:35:50.160 list of, uh, the progressive caucus. Yeah. The congressional progressive caucus is a nice

01:35:54.160 little outline of people who are basically democratic socialists, right? Uh, you know,

01:35:58.800 you're talking, uh, Keith Ellison, Keith Ellison's on there. She, Sheila Jackson,

01:36:03.040 Lee, uh, Jan Schakowsky, yes. Uh, Bernie Sanders in the Senate, uh, in the house. Uh, I'm just

01:36:11.080 looking for some of the names you might, uh, be familiar with, you know, Steve Cohen, Elijah

01:36:16.240 Cummings, uh, Rosa DeLauro. Yes. Um, let's see. I mean, you know, Hank Johnson, you just

01:36:25.080 start there. You just start there. Just start there. I mean, aren't those,

01:36:32.040 are those the people that the, I mean, look, I read his article, uh, this weekend and Quillette

01:36:39.400 and I thought this is, this is not heard. This is just not heard. Who has the balls to stand up and

01:36:48.640 say these things as a proud Democrat to stand up and say, you're being lied to America. Democratic

01:36:54.740 socialism is, is not what they have over in Sweden and takes the time and takes the platform

01:37:01.940 from the democratic socialists and sends it to 12 Swedish or, uh, or Norwegian economists and says,

01:37:09.640 is this what you guys have? And they're like, Oh no, this is radical stuff. I mean, that's nuts.

01:37:15.920 That's nuts. Who does that? Yeah. And I think there's a problem with incentives,

01:37:19.760 right? We, as conservatives, we talk about this all the time. You can incentive, I mean,

01:37:24.900 I go back to when I listened to, you know, Rush Limbaugh in the nineties and he would say,

01:37:28.420 if you tax something, you're going to get less of it, right? That fundamental truth I think exists

01:37:34.920 here in that if what, what we have people like Giancarlo who come out and say difficult things about

01:37:42.600 Democrats, there's no incentive for him to do that. No. And the problem is usually that not only do,

01:37:51.220 uh, his own party, his own party doesn't stand with him. They, they reject him and say that,

01:37:57.120 you know, he's selling out. And then we have to make sure that we create those incentives,

01:38:01.940 I think on our side to say, you know what? Like, yeah, there's a sensible debate here. And while I

01:38:06.400 might not disagree with him, the fact that he's a disavowing socialism and the fact that he's

01:38:11.600 respecting, yeah, he's respecting the constitution. Yes. You know, even if you disagree with him on

01:38:16.680 the scope or the level of a certain tax or whatever you want to talk about, there's a valuable part of

01:38:22.180 the conversation. People say, I thought, you know, I will go back to the days when Ronald Reagan and

01:38:27.180 Tip O'Neill could get together. Well, that's the kind of guy that's Tip O'Neill. You can have that

01:38:35.380 and still disagree and not be enemies with each other. You can still have that. But I, I'm anxious

01:38:42.840 to see, look, just check his Twitter account. See if he's getting bashed yet for just even being on

01:38:49.060 this program. And he's not a political guy. He's, you know, he's a, he's a Latin American,

01:38:56.840 I don't know, studies guy or something. I don't know. How's his, how's his Twitter? I'm still

01:39:05.980 getting there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is what happens to people though, right? Yeah. We become

01:39:11.300 Twitter mobs. You can't have that conversation today. We had another dangerous conversation.

01:39:17.780 We had, um, uh, Gavin McGinnis on now. Gavin McGinnis is, is right now the Twitter mob has

01:39:26.080 surrounded him and Twitter kicked him off permanently suspended because they say that he

01:39:30.960 is advocating violence. Well, we had him on. I don't think he's advocating violence. Um,

01:39:38.120 I don't agree with him on everything. I do think he's funny on many things. Um, but I think he's

01:39:44.220 also wrong on a few things. I don't think he's a racist, but I don't know the guy's heart.

01:39:50.820 Um, why can't we have, why can't we have that conversation? Why, why is it? I can't get an

01:39:58.440 honest democratic socialist to come on. Why is it when Giancarlo printed that in Quillette this weekend,

01:40:07.720 if you read any of the people who are disagreeing, none of them are disagreeing with any of the facts.

01:40:13.320 They're just name calling. Yeah. And we talked to, uh, I would say a seemingly honest democratic

01:40:20.700 socialist. We talked about having her on, she was on, she wrote a piece in Vox, I believe it was

01:40:26.000 about what it means. And I think Giancarlo even mentioned the piece, uh, about what it means to

01:40:31.180 be a democratic socialist. What are the things that are talking about? And, and straight out say like

01:40:34.820 our goal is to end capitalism. And it's great. And it's, it's a great piece because it tells you

01:40:39.520 exactly what they're trying to do. Correct. And we tried to book the author and it had no success

01:40:44.860 there. Now I don't think like my goal would not be to like have someone such as her on the air and

01:40:51.840 say, Hey, you're a bad person. Look at, look at these terrible things you're suggesting. I will not

01:40:57.800 invite you into my house and then knowingly set you up and treat you poorly. Yeah. And I want, I,

01:41:03.760 I, I, I applaud her for her honesty. Yeah. I, I, it's an important piece for someone to come out

01:41:10.980 and say, yes, that's me. That's what I want. Like I have no, I have no aversion to say, Hey,

01:41:17.220 what I want is abortion to stop my, right? Like I, I, I, yes. I, will I support a bill that limits

01:41:23.080 it to 20 weeks? Sure. Is that my goal? No, it's not. No, that's not my goal at all. I want it done

01:41:29.000 period. And I'm happy to say it to you as many times as you want to ask me about it. And I'm

01:41:33.500 happy to debate it and I'm happy to remain civil. And it doesn't mean that I, I, you know,

01:41:38.000 that you have to get to a point where you're yelling at each other, but you should be able

01:41:41.680 to, the only people who are valuable in a debate, the, everyone else is, is, is a giant zilch.

01:41:48.640 The only people who are valuable are people who will actually say what they're thinking.

01:41:52.500 The people that come on and try to make things sound a certain way to, to navigate through whatever

01:41:59.460 political waves of the day that happened to exist. Those people aren't valuable in a debate.

01:42:04.500 What do you learn from them? You learn that they have the acuity to move around a debate

01:42:08.980 and avoid issues. I don't care about that. I'm not into your parlor trick. I'd rather have

01:42:13.520 someone who's going to come in here and say, look, here is exactly what I think. Here's why

01:42:17.200 I think it, here's my backup. Here's my lack of backup. And you can let you decide. And there's

01:42:23.180 no reason you can have that conversation with people you completely disagree.

01:42:26.080 But nobody trusts people anymore. You're, you're not, you don't trust people anymore. I, I,

01:42:31.200 I have reason. We all do to not trust the American people anymore. We have reason.

01:42:37.580 But as Thomas Jefferson said, trust the American people, they will get it wrong, but eventually

01:42:44.340 they'll get it right. And I mean, look, he may be right on that. He may not be right on that.

01:42:49.540 I think eventually you are. I hope so. I think eventually we are. I mean, it might be 80 years

01:42:54.000 down the road after some really painful lessons, but eventually we will get it right. But you trust

01:42:59.740 the American people. Again, it's why we had Gavin on today and I didn't need to take a stand on him

01:43:05.740 one way or another. I asked him the questions I wanted to ask him. You heard the answer. I didn't

01:43:12.180 need to win on that. Neither did he. Why can't we have those conversations now? And, and let you

01:43:21.200 decide. Why can't, why can't we have that? Well, and again, you're the one thing that you do agree

01:43:25.500 with him on is that those conversations should be had in public. Yes. And that is, uh, you should,

01:43:30.500 they should be banned. We shut these conversations down. Uh, and there's, there's nothing left.

01:43:35.740 If you shut these conversations down, you, there's, you just, there's just nothing left

01:43:42.140 to, uh, the Republic. Might as well go burn a book. Um, by the way, real quick, did you

01:43:49.200 see the, uh, killer, the killer whale mom? The killer whale? You didn't see this? No. Yeah.

01:43:55.440 So, um, a killer whale had a baby calf, um, and, uh, it died and she carried it on it on

01:44:05.680 her back for 17 days and she kept dropping him. She knew she, it was dead and apparently

01:44:14.040 this whale was grieving and, uh, carried it on her back for a thousand miles and made a

01:44:22.120 journey and then finally, you know, buried her, just let her go. Finally. It was the

01:44:28.500 strangest thing that happened over the weekend. It just ended, I think yesterday. Uh, it's

01:44:33.240 been going on for 17 days. It's, it's amazing footage, amazing footage. So what do you take

01:44:39.320 from it? Uh, I mean, I grew up around orcas, you know, uh, and used to watch them, uh, you

01:44:48.580 know, down, down, down by the water and we'd, we'd watch them come in and watch. Uh, they're,

01:44:52.480 they're amazingly smart animals. Uh, and that, you know, this orca is, is a lot like parents,

01:45:01.840 like, you know, other parents. She had feelings for her, her child and couldn't let her child

01:45:07.600 go. I thought it was just really touching, really amazing. Yeah. That's, uh, either that

01:45:14.140 she knew the scientists wanted the baby because they want to find out where she's, she's the,

01:45:20.880 the population is diving, wanted to know what killed the baby. So maybe she knew I got to

01:45:26.100 go to a place where it's deeper so I can, you know, let my child go and you guys aren't

01:45:30.180 going to dig the body up and, uh, do an autopsy. I don't, I don't know, but, uh, pretty amazing.

01:45:37.460 It's a fascinating story. I'm, I'm, uh, there's a lot of these that happen these days,

01:45:42.040 you know, there's a lot of, uh, carrying dead babies around. No, I mean, I think there's a,

01:45:46.620 there's a real love on the internet in particular, and this is something maybe I only see from my

01:45:51.700 perspective, but there's a lot of love on the internet for these stories where animals do

01:45:55.280 things that are objectively human, right? In traits. I think there's a bigger love for humans

01:46:01.760 doing something when it's objectively human. You know, you don't see it very often, but you were

01:46:06.500 like, wow, that person is being, did you see the, did you see the kid that, um, let the other kid

01:46:13.340 with autism fill the, you know, do his, basically do his job? Yeah. I mean, it was, it was really

01:46:20.920 cool. So he was working at a store, right? And he was filling the, the, the refrigerator with all

01:46:26.120 the Pepsi and everything else. And this kid was watching him as autism. And he said, here, you want

01:46:31.800 to try? And so the kid was, you know, just neatly stacking everything in there. The parents had to go

01:46:37.520 crazy at this, this moment of human kindness. I guess I, I go back to, you know, it's a good place

01:46:45.100 to, to bring the show to everything we talked about today. If we just act more human or a better

01:46:55.320 than human, forget the animal part, we can solve all of our differences. We can live together.

01:47:02.780 We just have to recognize that each of us are different and special and, and that we don't

01:47:10.080 have a right to control the other person. And then we take your baby from the bottom of the ocean and

01:47:17.460 we do an autopsy. That's how all stories should end. I think so. With babies from the bottom of the

01:47:21.820 ocean having autopsies. I think so. My Patriot supply, uh, wall street journal has reported

01:47:28.040 that Russian hackers are looking at our, uh, our utility control rooms. That's not a big deal,

01:47:34.080 right? No, I don't think so. No worries there. How about this one? New York times, Russian hackers

01:47:37.720 appear to shift focus to us power grid. Did you see the coats thing? Uh, was it last week or the week

01:47:42.600 before? Um, you know, he's the director of what national intelligence talking about, about Russia.

01:47:49.920 We get so caught up in this being a Trump issue. It's so frustrating. It's got like, we, we don't

01:47:55.240 see it. We have no reports. There's no, there's been no investigation result, right? So we have

01:47:59.860 nothing really to look at. What we do have is these guys coming out and saying over and over again,

01:48:03.360 this is happening now with us as a nation, not as a browser collusion. That's the totally separate

01:48:10.200 that you can focus on that when the report comes out, if you want. But right now codes is saying,

01:48:14.960 this is a real threat going on right now. And they are, they've targeted our power. They've

01:48:20.820 targeted our election systems. That's not a big deal. No, no. Infrastructure cuts down. You're

01:48:26.500 going to be fine. We're all going to be fine. Hey, listen, just in case we're not, do you have

01:48:30.240 enough food? Emergency food supply. We want to tell you about mypatriotsupply.com right now.

01:48:36.020 You can go to mypatriotsupply and get everything that you need. They have the water filtration system.

01:48:41.520 They have the emergency food kits. So it doesn't matter. It could be a hurricane,

01:48:45.460 could be a fire, could be a power grid collapse. It could be the orcas coming to get us. I'm just

01:48:52.600 saying it could happen. Protect yourself and build your food storage. Now, mypatriotsupply will help

01:48:58.200 you do it the easy way. Mypatriotsupply.com. That's mypatriotsupply.com.

01:49:03.560 Glenn Beck.

01:49:09.660 Welcome to it. Saw Miranda over the weekend. Miranda live. Miranda sings, of course, if you

01:49:14.860 don't know who she is. I went with my daughter, which was fun to watch her.

01:49:21.080 Was she into it?

01:49:23.280 Yeah.

01:49:24.120 Okay.

01:49:24.320 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Had to stand by the tour bus at the end, too. So, yeah.

01:49:30.460 Wow. You must have looked cool out there.

01:49:32.080 Oh, I was really cool. I was really cool. So we had the full fan experience. And she's

01:49:38.900 really funny. The woman who plays Miranda Sings, Colleen something or other. She was,

01:49:43.360 what's her name? Grande. Ariana Grande. Ariana Grande's vocal coach, which I didn't know.

01:49:51.060 Yeah. I didn't know she could. I mean, because Ariana Grande. She can sing. This woman who

01:49:55.000 does Miranda Sings is wickedly talented. But she's good. Seeing ELO tonight, which is childhood

01:50:02.800 dream. They better be good. Because it's been, you know, 40 years in the making. So I'm expecting

01:50:10.300 something special tonight. Expecting something special. Are you hitting on them? What's happening

01:50:15.780 here? Is this a groupie experience? I've been a fan for 40 years. It's, you know,

01:50:19.220 it's the payback. It's time for them to do something special tonight. See you at five

01:50:24.260 on the blaze.

01:50:24.800 Back. Mercury.

The Glenn Beck Program - August 13, 2018

Has The 'Cold' Civil War Begun？ (with Gavin McInnes and Giancarlo Sopo)

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