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00:02:54.700 hello america from new york city this is the glenbeck program and i think i i well we just

00:03:03.060 have to start with ilan omar real quick uh because uh i mean she's a genius here she is

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00:03:28.680 see you next week um okay we're gonna ilan omar is quite possibly the dumbest person i think i've

00:03:36.240 ever uh encountered we'll get to that here in a little while i also want to start with freedom

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00:05:02.120 I want to talk to you about freedom of speech because Jimmy Kimmel, you know, came out and

00:05:07.960 said, our lady, first lady, Melania, there she is. Look at Melania. She's so beautiful. 0.99

00:05:14.120 Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow. Not funny. It's not funny, but I don't

00:05:20.080 care about funny, you know, whatever to each his own. Comedy is in the ear or the eye of the

00:05:26.540 beholder. And I haven't found Jimmy Kimmel funny in a very, very long time, but some people do

00:05:30.680 whatever. This is just wholly inappropriate. Is it a fireable offense? No, I don't think so.

00:05:37.960 I think it is. I think it's just. Well, let me let me start here. Let me start here. Yesterday, the president tweeted out. This is beyond the pale. Jimmy Kimmel should immediately be fired by Disney and ABC. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:05:52.040 Here's my problem with this from Donald Trump.

00:05:54.780 This is personal to Donald Trump.

00:05:57.320 I remember when a talk show host or a podcast host that will remain unnamed mentioned that my daughter was very close, suspiciously close to Charlie Kirk when he was killed, implying that my daughter had something to do with his death.

00:06:17.500 I said that to my wife.

00:06:18.740 I came home after hearing it.

00:06:19.980 And I said that to my wife.

00:06:20.960 and my wife got up from her chair and she said, where does she live? And I'm like, you need to

00:06:26.620 sit down. Uh, we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not going to go over to anybody's house

00:06:31.160 or anything else. No. Um, but it was personal and it was personal to me and it was personal to my

00:06:36.700 wife. So you, you have a different look at things, especially if they are taking on your wife who

00:06:43.320 has done nothing, done nothing. So I understand how the president feels. I happen to agree with

00:06:51.380 him. Um, however, I don't like the idea that it is the president of the United States saying it

00:06:58.280 because then it implies that he is putting pressure and everything else. So let me talk

00:07:03.880 to you about how off we are on freedom of speech right now. We treat freedom of speech like it's

00:07:10.260 an absolute shield. You can say whatever you want, whenever you want, no matter the cost.

00:07:15.820 And in one sense, I guess that's right in some sense. The First Amendment doesn't exist

00:07:22.020 to protect polite conversation. We don't need that. It exists to protect the speech that makes

00:07:29.200 people uncomfortable, makes people angry, disgusted. It protects the heretic, the satirist, 0.89

00:07:36.140 the provocateur, okay? The person that is actually questioning, I don't think the earth is flat.

00:07:43.420 I think it's round. Without it, the powerful decide what's allowed, and the rest of us are

00:07:51.840 forced to live in the dark. That is what freedom of speech is really meant to protect. So let me

00:07:58.220 be clear from the jump here. Jimmy Kimmel has every right to say what he said. He looked into

00:08:04.380 the camera in a parody monologue for the White House Correspondents' Dinner, joked that Melania

00:08:10.420 Trump looked like an expectant widow, tasteless, dark, but not funny, in my opinion. And one of

00:08:19.400 the reasons it's not funny is it doesn't punch up, it doesn't punch down. It punches at the image of

00:08:24.600 a woman standing beside her husband who has already survived two assassination attempts,

00:08:31.360 and two days later faces a third. There's just no reason for it. But the Constitution doesn't

00:08:41.180 grade comedy on a curve. It doesn't care about comedy. It's really not about even comedy.

00:08:46.260 It doesn't require jokes to be funny or not funny. It doesn't have anything to do with any of that.

00:08:52.700 Kimmel has the right to say these things, and ABC has the right to air it. Disney has the right

00:08:59.820 to employ him. That's free speech in action. That's clear, black and white. Now let's talk

00:09:11.300 about something separate, but connected. The part that everybody forgets. With rights come

00:09:19.180 responsibilities. Just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. And right now,

00:09:26.640 in this moment, after two, two attempts on the president's life, and now a third,

00:09:32.860 some people think that maybe we should act a little more responsible,

00:09:37.360 that responsibility isn't really optional. This wasn't a policy jab. It wasn't the usual

00:09:45.800 late night Trump bashing. This was a visual punchline built around the very real,

00:09:50.940 very recent possibility that Melania Trump could actually become a widow because the left has

00:09:57.880 decided the only way to stop the man is a bullet. And it's not funny. It's not funny. I would have

00:10:02.660 never made this joke about Barack Obama. Had I made that joke about Barack Obama,

00:10:08.500 I would have expected to be fired. I would have expected it. Why? Because there are standards

00:10:16.120 in our society. This is not the joke that you hear from a professional comedian who understands

00:10:22.660 the difference between the edge and the abyss. And it forces ABC and Disney to answer something

00:10:32.280 out loud. Do you really think this is okay? I want to make it really clear. I'm not asking for

00:10:38.620 Kimmel to be fired. I'm not demanding a cancellation. I hate that. I don't want a,

00:10:43.580 you know, a mob or boycotts or cancel culture. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it when they're

00:10:51.660 doing it against us. I hate when we try to do it against them. However, you do have a personal

00:10:57.480 right to say, I'm never going to Disney again. You know, as much as I love Disney and their $47

00:11:03.980 bottles of water, I'm just not going to do it because they don't represent me. You know,

00:11:10.500 Disney used to be something where it was, it had some values. I hate to even say traditional

00:11:17.520 American family values, but that's how it started. I'm not even asking for that. I'm just,

00:11:22.500 do you have any standards? Do you have any values? And the trap is the minute we start

00:11:30.080 punishing speech we don't like, we hand the precedent to the other side and then the cycle

00:11:35.080 just accelerates. Free speech dies by a thousand small enforcement actions dressed up as

00:11:42.460 accountability. So this is a very difficult question to deal with, but standards still matter.

00:11:52.480 Platforms with the reach of ABC and Disney aren't, you know, they're not some kid in the basement

00:11:58.960 posting memes, but even the kids in the basement posting memes, there should be standards

00:12:04.780 that they should keep. ABC Disney is a cultural gatekeeper, like it or not, they are. And they

00:12:13.560 shape what millions consider normal. So when they green light a joke that treats an assassination

00:12:20.240 attempt as punchline material, after two assassination attempts, and then there's a

00:12:28.320 breach at the actual correspondence dinner, they're not just entertaining an audience.

00:12:32.780 this is something that you know if if jimmy kimmel had any standards at all and abc did

00:12:37.840 you don't have to fire him he would have come up and he wouldn't have said uh you know what i was

00:12:43.000 just talking about the age difference no you weren't and everybody knows it stop it stop it

00:12:48.120 can't you just come out and say that was really crass of me it was a mistake i shouldn't have done

00:12:52.860 it that that's what should happen in the in the in a world that makes sense but they're normalizing

00:13:00.300 a climate where the unthinkable gets laughed at first, then shrugged at, and then who knows?

00:13:06.800 This is where personal responsibility kicks in. Free speech protects the right to say the ugly

00:13:14.000 things. Responsibility asks whether saying it makes the country uglier, more divided, more primed for

00:13:22.540 the very violence that we all claim to condemn. You cannot preach to me about how this violence

00:13:29.040 is out of control, and then make jokes about violence and killing the president. You can't.

00:13:36.600 You know, this was really understood instinctively. I want to play something. This is,

00:13:42.720 you know, when John Hinckley tried to kill Ronald Reagan back in 1981, they canceled the,

00:13:50.560 are sorry they postponed the oscars so he's he's they try to kill him he goes into the hospital

00:13:59.280 we don't know if he's going to make it or not it was bad they cancel or postpone the oscars for 24

00:14:06.600 hours johnny carson on the abc television network comes out and this is how he starts oscars 1981

00:14:15.240 listen thank you very much ladies and gentlemen i'm sure that all of you here and most of you

00:14:19.780 watching tonight understand why we delayed this program for 24 hours. Because of the incredible

00:14:26.560 events of yesterday, that old adage, the show must go on seemed relatively unimportant. The

00:14:32.800 Academy, ABC television, and all of us connected with the show felt because of the uncertain outcome

00:14:38.260 as of this time yesterday, it would have been inappropriate to stage a celebration. But the

00:14:43.840 news today is very good. As you know, the president is in excellent condition at last reports. He's

00:14:48.280 He's been conducting business.

00:14:53.640 Remember, this is Hollywood.

00:14:55.000 They don't like Ronald Reagan.

00:14:57.460 So listen to the applause.

00:14:59.540 And he happens to be in very good spirits.

00:15:03.220 After all, you must remember, this is a man who yesterday,

00:15:06.160 while he was in the hospital unable to speak,

00:15:08.120 wrote on a sheet of paper,

00:15:09.720 all things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia.

00:15:14.040 So tonight the show does go on.

00:15:15.520 He goes on, and then Ronald Reagan, in a taped message that they had taped a few days before, opens it.

00:15:23.380 It's all very polite.

00:15:25.480 Now, did they like Ronald Reagan?

00:15:27.160 No, they hated Ronald Reagan.

00:15:29.000 They hated him.

00:15:30.680 Okay?

00:15:31.040 Nothing has changed. 0.93

00:15:32.640 Ronald Reagan was going to get us all killed.

00:15:34.560 He was going to start World War III or World War XII, whichever one Ilhan Omar is counting.

00:15:39.960 And so they hated him.

00:15:42.700 what they didn't hate at the time was the country this is not about the president of the united

00:15:51.400 states this is about the republic you shoot the president is it good for you is it good for me

00:15:59.120 is it good for anyone no no an assassination is not good for any you destabilize the republic

00:16:07.020 Is it good? No. But there are those who want to destroy the republic.

00:16:14.480 And we have to separate ourselves from those people. And Democrats, I'm asking you,

00:16:21.800 listen next hour, because I'm going to make this case very, very clear.

00:16:26.060 But comedians, they push boundaries. They knew there were lines. You just didn't cross,

00:16:31.420 not because the government would stop you. I'm a fan of Lenny Bruce, okay?

00:16:37.020 That guy fought and fought and fought and he was intentionally indecent because he wanted to show

00:16:45.780 this is freedom of speech and he fought for freedom of speech. But we are past the point

00:16:52.100 where this is just a joke, works as an excuse. The Republic is at stake. You know, we passed

00:17:00.980 that line after Butler, Pennsylvania. We passed that line, Florida, the golf course. Now the third

00:17:06.400 attempt. It's just, it's not funny. Words have weight. Platforms have power. And when the

00:17:13.780 temperature in the country is high, pouring gasoline on the fire and calling it comedy

00:17:18.000 is not brave. It's reckless. I defend Kimmel's right to speak. I defend ABC's right to broadcast

00:17:29.460 it. I also defend the rest of America, the audience, the parents, the citizens saying

00:17:34.960 out loud, this is standard we should have. Not because we're fragile, not because, oh, we're

00:17:43.060 going to be triggered, not because we want to silence dissent, but because we believe this

00:17:48.360 country works best when people who hold the megaphones remember that with great reach comes

00:17:54.880 great responsibility. Freedom of speech is not a suicide pact. It's a trust that we are supposed

00:18:03.500 to govern ourselves. And it's time to start acting it. You know, I said, if I would have made that

00:18:11.700 joke about Barack Obama, I would have expected to be fired. And the left wanted me fired. They did

00:18:18.960 everything they could. You know, here's the thing. Donald Trump comes out and he says this. Well,

00:18:23.980 at least he's saying it out loud. Barack Obama stayed quiet and we had 11, 11 different

00:18:33.420 organizations orchestrated by the government, orchestrated by the White House, trying to get

00:18:39.900 me kicked off. The number one was color of change. That's Van Jones. Van Jones. They did everything

00:18:47.440 they could to get me fired while the president said, I'm not trying to get you fired. There's

00:18:51.840 no difference. There's no difference. I'd rather have somebody coming out and saying, this is what

00:18:56.120 I believe, than that. The same thing happened with Joe Biden. They were quietly saying, we're not

00:19:02.680 trying to get anybody fired, but they were doing it behind the scenes. That doesn't make it better.

00:19:08.120 And by the way, what I said about Barack Obama was legitimate political speech, not comedy.

00:19:15.960 I was asked, what do you think the deal is with Barack Obama? Why is he doing these things? And

00:19:25.260 I said, I think he's a racist. No, I'm quoting. No, that's not quite right. I don't know what it

00:19:34.060 is, but he seems to have a deep seated hatred for the white culture or white people. I don't know 0.68

00:19:40.000 what it is. Okay. That was me questioning DEI. I've never heard of DEI. I don't even know if

00:19:46.920 they named it DEI before then. Okay. But I was pondering and I was asked a legitimate question

00:19:53.320 and i was answering in a legitimate legitimately political way that is the number one reason we

00:20:01.220 have the first amendment so you can question the government and i was a legitimate question

00:20:07.780 now in retrospect i was absolutely right it's dei that feels like racism to a lot of people

00:20:15.360 they tried to punish that they did everything they could but they have not a pro they have

00:20:23.260 no problem doing that. But the minute somebody makes a joke, you can't touch him.

00:20:33.720 I have more to say on this. Again, I want to make it really clear. I am not asking for the firing

00:20:38.760 of Jimmy Kimmel. I do not want anyone to, I will be dead set. If the FCC got involved in this,

00:20:45.480 I would lead the charge against the FCC. That is not the government's responsibility.

00:20:53.260 But the FCC has something, and this works in ABC's favor. You know, everything in the FCC

00:20:59.760 pretty much is based on community standards. Well, here's the good news, ABC. We don't have

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00:22:20.880 so when i was in this situation with jimmy kimmel for legitimately questioning how our president

00:22:39.660 was acting, not calling for his death, not joking about his death. Again, I would have expected to

00:22:44.900 be fired. I would have deserved it, quite honestly. The MSNBC host, that's Keith Oberman at the time,

00:22:51.920 Rachel Maddow, all of them, Donnie Deutsch, they were all calling for an advertiser boycott

00:22:59.260 of my show. Why? Because they knew that was the way to get me fired. Cut the money off. So they

00:23:07.720 were organizing boycotts against me. What is the difference? At least let's just be out in the open.

00:23:14.640 You're organizing a boycott. You're pressuring advertisers. I'm saying to you, if you like

00:23:21.020 Jimmy Kimmel, watch Jimmy Kimmel, support Jimmy Kimmel. You don't think this is a standard we

00:23:25.840 should live up to? Continue with your day. If you question, does ABC actually love the country

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00:24:58.520 you know one of my favorite people uh is jennifer say i don't know if you you know her by her name

00:25:22.360 but she's the former brand president for Levi Strauss. She's the founder and CEO of XXXY 0.74

00:25:30.620 Athletics. She has spoken out. She has taken a stand. I've always worn 501s. I've always loved

00:25:38.900 Levi's 501s. They got away from the cone mill and started making cheap denim, and it's crap now, 0.92

00:25:44.400 but the good news is it's five times more expensive. Um, and, um, and so I started, uh,

00:25:51.580 1791 jeans just as a personal protest. We made the, we made the denim at the cone mills.

00:25:57.860 We made them the quality that should be made by Levi's because they, they came out and they said, 1.00

00:26:02.900 uh, we're the uniform of the revolution. Levi's, can you not try to tear America down? Can you not

00:26:11.480 try to put us into revolution anyway they were going after women she and girls and girls sports

00:26:17.880 I don't remember what it was she said but got all kinds of pushback and she's like okay

00:26:22.140 no thank you and she started her own brand I think this woman is a real American patriot I just love

00:26:29.960 her um and and one of the things I really love is she doesn't spend her time you know on hate or

00:26:35.600 anything else she's just like I'm just going to do something better and she started xxxy athletics

00:26:40.940 And she's with us because she was at the dinner on Saturday.

00:26:45.540 She was, I think she was a guest of Daily Wire.

00:26:48.420 And she had never been before.

00:26:50.280 I mean, this is not her deal.

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00:26:55.700 And Jennifer is here to tell us exactly what happened and what she saw and what she felt.

00:27:00.020 Jennifer, welcome to the program.

00:27:01.200 How are you?

00:27:02.460 I'm great.

00:27:03.100 Thanks for having me, Glenn.

00:27:05.220 You bet.

00:27:06.880 Okay.

00:27:07.480 First of all, glad to know you're okay.

00:27:09.460 i read your your tweets and your your article and you know i felt for you um tell me you get

00:27:17.620 there saturday um and you know you go through security what were your thoughts

00:27:23.760 but you know actually before you get to security tell me about the signs that you had to pass

00:27:29.580 yeah i'm gonna go back even before that because i got invited to be a guest at the daily wire and

00:27:34.740 i was honored but part of me glenn was like why am i going like this is not my deal to your point

00:27:39.740 i've been to all sorts of cultural events as the president of levi's i'd been to coachella five

00:27:44.860 times i've been to the grammys and the super bowl many times and i thought well let's add one to the

00:27:50.260 list you know that'll be cool and talking to people beforehand they're like the worst thing

00:27:55.800 that's going to happen is it's going to be kind of boring ha i wish it had been boring yeah so

00:28:02.620 it'd be nice i mean so i just thought well this will be cool you know my husband said add it to

00:28:07.300 your bucket list i said it's not on my bucket list and he said it is now so i got dressed up

00:28:12.300 it was raining yeah it was raining i had to walk part of the way in the rain i looked like a drowned 0.97

00:28:19.320 rat when i got there and there were protesters outside screaming in my face you know pedophile 0.98

00:28:25.100 um whatever free palestine zion is like all the you know murderer you're complicit and 0.96

00:28:32.040 yeah look i lived in san francisco for 30 years i'm used to people screaming in my face so i just

00:28:36.880 kept walking and i did i know a lot of people are saying there was no security i did go through

00:28:42.800 two metal detectors my purse was checked twice i did have to show my ticket it is it was a little

00:28:48.860 chaotic going in and i i did have a random thought i will admit like oh i couldn't if i wasn't sort

00:28:55.240 of obeying the order of events i didn't think to myself i could get around this security but i went

00:29:01.800 through because i generally follow rules um and i went in by myself which was you know sort of

00:29:09.280 nerve-wracking for someone i could i'm an introvert i just wanted to find my party i did eventually uh

00:29:15.480 find my friends uh from the daily wire we went inside we were sitting you know we sat and hung

00:29:20.500 out for like an hour and all of a sudden um you know there was like uh it seemed like it was going

00:29:26.820 to start you know people were taking their seats that kind of thing and suddenly glenn there was

00:29:30.920 just this commotion there was screaming and people start screaming get under the table get under the

00:29:37.060 table and you know you never know how you're going to react in a moment like this um everyone at the

00:29:43.860 table was pretty calm wait staff ducked under our table with us you know i'm squeezing hands with a

00:29:50.800 woman i met you know 30 minutes before uh and there was a lovely woman at our table who was

00:29:57.380 very common sort of narrating for us just stay down you're totally okay you're fine stay down

00:30:03.800 stay down she just kept saying you're okay you're okay and of course glenn i'm in the back right by

00:30:09.440 the door so i'm thinking oh wow we did hear we did hear gunshot yeah i'm in like the nosebleed

00:30:15.640 seats right and i did hear loud gunshots and you have no idea is it right outside the door

00:30:22.120 is it upstairs on a different floor you really don't know and all i'm thinking is well i'm right

00:30:27.500 by the door like i'm easy collateral damage and i i had this moment of calm where i said well

00:30:33.540 there's nothing i can do if this is my moment this is my moment um if it's not i mean i literally

00:30:41.180 this was all going through my head because what are you doing under the table and i thought but

00:30:45.540 if it's not you know how ironic this is we're here to celebrate free speech and a free press

00:30:52.620 and somebody wants to destroy that and I'll never stop speaking up I mean it sounds crazy that I

00:30:59.980 was thinking about those things but it was that is exactly what I was thinking at some point it

00:31:04.040 got quiet one woman who was at my table and I we grabbed hands and we just ran out the door and we

00:31:09.980 found a side door and we spilled into an alley and we just walked and ran until it was quieter

00:31:17.140 and we didn't know what happened because we couldn't get self-service it was so crazy so

00:31:22.100 it was like an hour before we even knew what really happened that was it so

00:31:28.700 what are your thoughts about

00:31:32.440 public events now and being and being safe i mean turning point moms for liberty white house

00:31:41.500 dinner yeah the golf course i mean you know chuck todd said i'm never going to be around

00:31:46.820 the president because the president brings chaos around him and and i don't want to be killed

00:31:50.940 which i find super super brave of him um what are your thoughts on this what does this mean

00:31:57.460 going forward how do you as an average citizen not doing what yeah i do or others do for a living

00:32:03.840 yeah what are your thoughts well you know people say to me all the time because i don't do what

00:32:09.380 you do but i have my share of stalkers i i have open investigations with the local police just

00:32:15.860 because i say men can't be women which is the most insane thing on the earth that people you know

00:32:21.040 accuse me of genocide for that and people say to me all the time as i'm sure they say to you

00:32:26.180 they say you know you have to be very careful i mean what does that even mean

00:32:31.100 you know i mean obviously the president has the best security um possible charlie kirk had you

00:32:39.720 know great security i just walk around i'm a mom i'm a business owner i just walk around there's

00:32:45.140 no being careful and so i guess in my mind i just go about my life because there's not really

00:32:51.060 anything what can i do i'm not going to lock myself in my house i'm not going to be quiet

00:32:56.860 so i just go about my life and i hope that fate is kind and i'm certainly not going to stop talking

00:33:04.360 i'm definitely going back if there's a do-over for the dinner i'm probably going to wear sneakers

00:33:09.320 i say that sort of joking but not really um i hear someone laughing in the background i'm not

00:33:15.240 kidding yeah i mean i'll wear no kevlar socks would be a good idea too but i'm going back i

00:33:22.260 mean what are you gonna do i'm not it sounds so cliche i know but you can't let the worst of us

00:33:27.860 win you cannot do it you can't so you you are somebody who you know you lived in san francisco

00:33:36.060 and i don't know all of your politics jennifer and i don't need to know your politics but i

00:33:40.560 assume there's things in the past that we've disagreed on and maybe we disagree on things now

00:33:44.640 um so and you've lived in san francisco so you've worked with people who were

00:33:49.680 who were nor didn't hate the country just voted differently than what i would vote for

00:33:54.860 right right um but we are in this place i'm going to talk about this next hour about how

00:34:00.720 we're not even talking about the issues we're really not even discussing the issues what is

00:34:06.100 it going to take for people who vote differently than i vote to say okay enough of all of this 0.82

00:34:14.140 stuff i i want the country to survive i i you know i'm not for this marxist red green alliance 0.84

00:34:22.600 destroy burn everything down to the ground i want to fix the country and i want to be able to come 0.76

00:34:28.320 back together what is it going to take is there is there a chance of that happening well i'm an

00:34:35.660 optimist and i wouldn't do what i do i don't think you would do what you do and continue to speak out

00:34:40.760 if you didn't believe there was a chance of that you do it because you believe that you can be part

00:34:45.540 of making things better i believe that i can be do i think it's a long road do i think it took us

00:34:50.760 a long time to get here absolutely think about how long it's taken us to get here when did the

00:34:56.260 whole idea of safe spaces start i don't know 20 years ago the whole idea at the core of that is

00:35:02.320 that certain speech was so harmful that we had to cut ourselves off from it then it was speech

00:35:07.300 is violence. Then it was Trump is Hitler. Then it was I'm a genocider because I think men can't be 0.83

00:35:12.360 women. I mean, this is how we got here. And the only thing that will solve it is more is more 0.89

00:35:19.580 speech. And, you know, I'm I always do my best to be respectful. I will not kind of fall prey to the

00:35:26.300 same sorts of rhetoric, but I will not not speak the truth. And I just the only thing that protects

00:35:33.600 my free speech is yours and vice versa and so the answer cannot be the the answer cannot be

00:35:40.520 that we stop speaking because then the lunatics win so where do you stand on like jimmy kimmel i

00:35:49.120 i don't know if you heard my opening monologue but i i don't want jimmy kimmel yeah you so you 0.99

00:35:54.040 know where i'm i'm 100 with you i i'm 100 with you look i think it's a stupid joke i think it's 0.92

00:36:01.680 really unfortunate the jokes and quite frankly the bullets only go in one direction right now 0.97

00:36:06.980 you know it used to be saturday night live made fun of everybody all politicians you know they

00:36:12.320 made fun of everybody it's it doesn't work that way anymore the jokes go one way they're not very

00:36:18.000 funny um but i think the show should just tank on its own accord um i don't think he should be 0.82

00:36:25.480 taken off for stupid jokes i think people should not watch it if they don't think he's funny i

00:36:31.140 don't think he's funny um but i i don't think he should be censored like i said the only thing that 0.97

00:36:38.060 protects my free speech is yours and that does include dumb jokes from jimmy kimmel it does

00:36:43.280 you know i i stood up for um bill maher when he was taken off of abc this is right after 9 11

00:36:51.800 and he said at least the taliban yeah you remember at least the taliban pilots they had they had

00:36:57.840 courage we dropped bombs they actually went in yeah courage and I found it one of the most

00:37:02.880 offensive things and I'm a new talk show host at the time nobody really knows what I believe

00:37:08.280 and I knew when I said it this is going to cost me it's going to cause all kinds of confusion my

00:37:14.840 audience will reject this but I actually stood up for Bill Maher and I said ABC what part of

00:37:20.120 politically incorrect don't you understand this is a horrible horrible comment but that's what

00:37:26.860 this show is by design and in the name you know what i mean so it's in a it's in a completely

00:37:34.580 it's in a completely different category this is what the show is and i stood up for him and it

00:37:41.560 cost me a great deal to stand up for him um but i i i just i you know i don't want any cancellation

00:37:50.480 of speech but we have to find a way to where we have responsibility and and just basic decency

00:37:58.980 i think that's what this is about this isn't just about violent speech with the jimmy kimmel thing

00:38:04.740 it's just basic decency yeah you know just can you not just come out and sincerely say you've

00:38:11.820 blown the chance to do that but if you would have come out yesterday and just said really bad time

00:38:16.940 unfortunate timing you know really bad timing i can see why everybody is upset you know it's it

00:38:23.420 was horrible and i'm never going to go there again i'm not just these jokes do not have any place

00:38:29.320 at all that's not the way i meant it but just to make it clear i will never go anywhere near that

00:38:35.020 again and none of us should that would have solved an awful lot i completely agree but he doesn't

00:38:40.860 feel that way no he doesn't um i mean if you recall the last little dust up with him and now

00:38:48.340 i'm gonna forget the specific details but even his apology you know he was suspended for a while i

00:38:54.080 don't know was it a week this is maybe a year ago maybe less his apology oh it was about charlie

00:38:59.740 that's right charlie kirk yeah yeah his apology was a non-apology he he doesn't feel that way

00:39:07.360 Glenn, he, he, he does wish that Trump would die and he does look at Melania and think she wishes and hopes it too. He, you know, he, he, he can't apologize when he doesn't feel sorry.

00:39:22.440 Feel it. Yeah. Jennifer, I am, I'm so glad that you are well, I saw your post and I felt so bad for you because you're, again, you're just, you know, somebody goes going, you know, to watch history happen and boy, did you see it, but I'm glad you're safe.

00:39:35.940 thank you for being on with me thank you so much for having me you bet bye-bye jennifer say from

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00:41:35.460 watched um I posted yesterday is there nothing Jimmy Kimmel can do or say that crosses the line

00:41:41.640 for ABC Jimmy Kimmel has a constitutional right to his vile and divisive speech but let him

00:41:46.300 screech into the void why continue to amplify ABC unless you agree with him um and he said the man

00:41:52.780 whose entire Fox career was saying things that crossed the line has views on Jimmy Kimmel's jokes. 0.80

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00:44:24.740 hello america i want to talk to you about real issues the real things that we should be talking

00:44:32.260 about that no one is talking about and i mean literally no one is talking about and if we

00:44:38.060 could break through on this one thing, we could solve our problems in America. And I'm just dumb 0.97

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00:46:18.440 at everything that is happening right now. You just go on to X or whatever and scroll down.

00:46:24.100 Scroll on your phone. Turn on the TV. Listen to the noise that you're hearing, maybe even in your

00:46:29.920 own offices. You will hear labels being thrown around all the time, fascist, traitor, threat to 0.97

00:46:36.800 democracy, radical, yada, yada, yada. And it is a really strange way to run a country, especially

00:46:44.980 in a country that was built on argument and free speech. That's what built us. People on the left

00:46:53.080 will say it was revolution. No, it's a very different kind of revolution. Our Declaration

00:46:57.740 of independence is what made our revolution work where every other revolution in the history of man

00:47:05.720 ends poorly this one ended with the people who started it because they had a very clear vision

00:47:12.720 of what they were trying to build okay and we're sitting here um arguing about things that you know

00:47:25.080 we're not we don't neither neither side i don't believe that either side of the average american

00:47:33.860 believe in some of these things okay we should be laying our cards face up on the table and say this

00:47:40.720 is what i believe this is what it costs this is why it's worth it and argue about that you strip

00:47:46.120 all the names and the labels off of it the truth is we have real disagreements serious disagreements

00:47:53.120 The country is in bad shape. But the question now is, do we want it to come apart? Do we still believe that it's worth saving?

00:48:05.520 I am maybe perhaps too naive, but I happen to believe that most Democrats do not get up in the morning and say, I just want capitalism dead. 0.93

00:48:15.980 I want the president dead.

00:48:19.160 You know, I want a dictatorship. 0.98

00:48:21.600 I want I'd rather have China run.

00:48:24.360 I just don't believe any of that.

00:48:26.460 OK, so what why what is it we should be talking about?

00:48:31.780 I jotted some notes down last night and I want to go over them on the things that we should be

00:48:38.040 talking about to show you that we're really not that far apart let's start with money one side

00:48:45.320 looks at the national debt and says uh real danger too much spending too much borrowing

00:48:51.440 interest payment eating away at the future it's going to collapse and their answer is cut spending

00:48:58.080 limit government growth try to stabilize the dollar before it slips and crashes and burns okay

00:49:04.000 the other side doesn't deny all of those things they they also see the same thing they're like

00:49:10.160 we're never going to make it you cannot do this but they see a government that still has room to

00:49:15.220 act especially in crisis they argue about you know pulling back will stall the growth hurt working

00:49:21.760 families, weaken the safety net, so they still believe, spend more, but maybe we spend less

00:49:27.820 on defense, whatever. Are those that different? Yes, they're talking about higher taxes,

00:49:36.940 spending, yada yada, manage the debt instead of slamming on the brakes.

00:49:42.580 We're all dealing with the same number. This one's math. But what you learn when you look

00:49:48.160 at this particular thing, and this is a huge crisis. Both the Democrats and the Republicans

00:49:53.980 know, I mean, people who vote for them, they both know my side's not serious about debt.

00:49:59.080 Okay, they're not serious. This is all bullcrap. I know that debt is a problem. My Democratic 0.99

00:50:04.940 neighbor knows that debt is a problem. Shouldn't we be uniting on that one that both parties are

00:50:10.760 lying to us about it? Right? But that's something that we actually all believe in. And that's one

00:50:17.920 thing that we say we're arguing about. Hear me out. Let's talk about the border. One side sees

00:50:26.020 a system that is completely out of control, too many people crossing illegally, too much strain

00:50:31.100 on cities, schools, and hospitals. They argue that law enforcement has to come first, physical

00:50:38.800 barriers, stricter asylum rules, faster removals, yada yada. The other side, and I'm talking about

00:50:45.000 the honest people, okay? The other side see an economic system under pressure. They see

00:50:51.740 problems, laws that are outdated, workforce needs immigration, enforcement won't fix it,

00:50:59.160 blah, blah, blah. They push for legal pathways, reform, a structured system that still allows

00:51:04.820 entry, et cetera, et cetera. Both sides are reacting to the same problem, the same reality.

00:51:10.920 What we have right now is not working, but they each have different levers.

00:51:17.280 They're both arguing, but both sides are reasonable to a degree.

00:51:22.580 Okay.

00:51:23.220 I happen to disagree, but I can see reason in the argument.

00:51:27.940 Remember, I'm talking about the average voter.

00:51:32.200 Energy. 0.69

00:51:33.600 One side says we're sitting on resources. 0.97

00:51:36.940 It'll make us dominant.

00:51:38.700 Oil, gas, natural reserves.

00:51:40.240 We should dominate. We can use them. We can drill. We can drive prices down, reduce the dependence on unstable regions, get out of the Middle East.

00:51:50.520 Growth will come from abundance. It's a way to be able to pay down our debt. It's a way to stop the endless wars. 0.99

00:51:57.160 The other side says, well, no, wait, wait, wait, climate, climate, climate, environmental damage, long-term instability.

00:52:03.780 It's not the future. We're going to run out.

00:52:06.040 they push for a transition even though it's messy renewables stricter controls okay one side is

00:52:14.420 saying cheap energy now another one is saying a different system later i don't agree with them

00:52:21.220 but that's at least a conversation you can have foreign policy how long is the united states going

00:52:30.400 to carry the weight of the world endless commitments endless conflicts endless bills

00:52:35.040 Why are we over in the Middle East? Why are we over with Ukraine? Pull back. Let the alliances 0.58

00:52:43.840 step up. You know, let the allies do all of these things. Choose our fights more carefully.

00:52:50.000 The other side says pulling back creates a vacuum. Vacuums get filled by countries that don't share 0.83

00:52:55.720 our interests. They lean towards, no, we got to be more involved. Staying engaged, projecting power,

00:53:01.920 prevent bigger conflicts later, blah, blah, blah. Here's what's crazy about this.

00:53:06.800 You know what? Most Democrats that I know are actually saying more of what the Republicans

00:53:13.160 are saying, which is, I don't want any of these wars anymore. It's the big government people on

00:53:18.740 both Republican and Democrat side that are still pushing for more wars. They're still pushing for

00:53:24.160 what the state department has been pushing for a hundred years. But the average person is like,

00:53:28.320 I don't want my kid dying in a war for what? We're not that far apart. Crime and policing.

00:53:36.940 One side sees disorder, okay? You can't weaken the system like this. Police have been pulled back,

00:53:45.860 laws softened, nobody is going, nobody's paying a price for it. There's no, there is no consequence

00:53:52.220 anymore. And the answer, one side, restore authority, fund the police, tighten the system

00:53:58.320 down. The other side sees a system that has overreached, has been a problem in the past,

00:54:05.200 uneven enforcement, you know, lack of trust in communities. And their answer is reform,

00:54:11.800 oversight, changing how policing works, you know, and how much there is of it.

00:54:17.920 okay i don't agree but we could have that debate i could go through safety versus fairness

00:54:27.660 both sides claim to defend it health care one side says free markets competition privacy you

00:54:35.460 know private innovation less government control the other side says no more government control

00:54:40.620 you know uh because we got to have access we have to have taxpayer funds and it blah blah blah

00:54:46.320 The fight isn't whether health care matters. The fight is who should control health care.

00:54:54.600 Education, same thing. Parental authority, no. More state authority. People pushing for school 1.00

00:55:02.080 choice, local control, transparency. The other side says no. Institutional structure, public

00:55:07.060 system, standardized approaches, yada, yada, yada. Gender identity, medical treatment,

00:55:12.280 especially for minors. One side says this is serious life-altering decisions involving

00:55:19.120 children. Strict limits, parental control, caution. The other side says, well, they can be necessary,

00:55:26.140 but this side is saying follow the science, and yet as the science is coming in, they're not

00:55:31.460 following the science. Why? Technology. We're on pretty much the same page in some way.

00:55:38.700 one side is worried about censorship. I don't want the government having influence over these

00:55:44.980 platforms. I don't want them restricting information and conversation. I don't want

00:55:51.520 it filtered by the government. I'm worried about AI in the hands of the government and the Pentagon.

00:55:57.440 The other side is saying, well, but there's chaos spreading and we have to have, and foreign

00:56:01.940 influence and destabilization, we have to have some control. But that's a reasonable conversation

00:56:08.680 But is that where it lives? Is that the conversation that we're actually having?

00:56:15.980 I say no. All of these things, elections, 80% of the population, both Republican and Democrat, are saying the same thing.

00:56:26.380 You got to have an ID. You got to have an ID.

00:56:29.560 reasonable people on the on on the democratic side would say yeah but i i want to make sure

00:56:36.360 that we're not stopping people who can vote to vote but 80 say but people who shouldn't vote

00:56:44.180 shouldn't vote you could go down this list on absolutely everything and that brings us back

00:56:52.800 to america because those are real arguments that we need to discuss they all have trade-offs they

00:56:58.960 all have consequences but that's not what we're arguing is it is it we're not talking about those

00:57:08.240 things we're talking about how people are not just wrong they're evil that they're nazis that

00:57:14.940 they're fascists that they want to round up and put everyone in jail those are not real okay

00:57:22.000 they're not real they are with some but that brings me to the third group because there is

00:57:31.060 a third group a third category that doesn't fit into this neat little two-sided argument of

00:57:39.040 america there is a fact a faction and it's mainly on the left but it is now growing on the right

00:57:46.180 But the one on the left is active and organized, and they're not arguing about tradeoffs at all, at all. Their goal is not better policies for working families under the American system. It is to overthrow the system itself, capitalism, the Judeo-Christian foundations of Western life, the nuclear family as the core unit of society.

00:58:10.100 We're not talking about Democrats. We are talking about radicals who have infiltrated the Democratic Party and convinced Democrats that they're arguing what I had just laid out.

00:58:22.100 But they're not. Because the power structure behind there are working to erode the roles of moms and dads, normalize gender confusion, accelerate medical interventions on children, pursue the red-green alliance, you know, the tactical marriage between Marxism and Islamist forces that will kill democracy outright.

00:58:46.280 They align themselves with the World Economic Forum, with the top-down global governance that treat national sovereignty as a joke, individual liberty gone, traditional culture as obstacles to be managed or dismantled.

00:59:01.400 And that's not just the Democrats.

00:59:03.000 There are a lot of big progressive Republicans that want that too.

00:59:08.800 My point is, the third group doesn't share the goal of the regular Democrat or Republican.

00:59:16.280 the millions of working people, the parents, the small business owners that just want a safer

00:59:22.300 street. They want to be able to afford groceries and good schools and have a fair shot.

00:59:29.200 We can disagree with one another on real issues unless you're trying to tear down the country

00:59:38.060 that gave all of us a shot in the first place. We can argue that this isn't working. We can argue

00:59:45.100 and say hey you know the the dream of america is fading fast if we don't have a conversation but

00:59:51.560 we're not talking about compromises what we're talking about is destroy the system the radical

00:59:58.260 faction wants it destroyed they see crisis as the opportunity to accelerate the takedown

01:00:05.080 and that's why they pour every resource in convincing ordinary democrats that trump or

01:00:11.600 anyone else who resists is not just wrong, not just a conservative, but a Nazi who has to be

01:00:18.420 stopped at all costs, including street violence, assassination, whatever. Because once you can

01:00:26.280 convince one side or the other that the other side is Hitler reborn, you stop asking questions

01:00:31.920 about the actual agenda.

01:00:39.340 America, you've got to distance yourself

01:00:41.960 from people who are trying to convince you

01:00:47.200 this is all about, let's say, Donald Trump.

01:00:49.660 Why is it every society in the Western world

01:00:53.240 is going through exactly the same arguments?

01:00:56.360 Why is it all of our countries are being torn apart?

01:00:59.360 They don't have Donald Trump there.

01:01:01.920 So what's their excuse? Their excuse is whatever party is saying, hey, we should really

01:01:08.360 not go down this road of the Red-Green Alliance or the WEF. There's a third category that no one

01:01:16.980 is arguing. And if we can find our way to each other and say, I reject, I want the United States

01:01:23.840 of America to remain free, to remain under the Constitution. I believe in the Declaration of

01:01:30.220 independence. We have big problems, but let's fix those and restore it. Instead, too many people are

01:01:37.100 being convinced that destruction, that the destroyers are actually one of them. They're not.

01:01:45.720 You're either a restorer or a destroyer. I don't think that we're destroyers. I don't think the

01:01:54.120 average American is a destroyer. The destroyers are betting that we never figure this out.

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01:06:38.540 welcome to the glenbeck program we're in new york city this week for our um ellis island event which

01:06:49.900 is happening on saturday i don't even know if tickets are still available maybe a couple of

01:06:54.480 seats um things have changed uh dramatically and uh it's um you know it's it's it's yeah go ahead

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01:08:22.800 um all right uh welcome to ricky uh who is our executive producer and uh and jason who is i

01:08:32.080 don't even know what he does he just is here i can't shake him i don't know why he goes where

01:08:36.580 you go yeah he goes where i go um can i can i ask a question because that last monologue

01:08:41.880 if i didn't know you and my eyes were closed and i had no impression of you up to that moment i

01:08:47.960 would think that you were the one of the most reasonable guys in political commentary wait are

01:08:53.360 you hearing this the way i'm hearing this this is like what she's saying is but because i know you

01:08:57.860 i know it's a lie is that what you're saying well i mean if you listen to media matters or how the

01:09:03.200 new york times frames you as a far-right extremist or a far-right commentator you didn't sounded far

01:09:08.580 right and in fact it made me wonder how you were ever bffs with diane sawyer

01:09:14.580 you told us this story this morning and i'm like if you don't tell this on national radio

01:09:20.040 it will be one of your biggest misses so uh you know first of all um we have to start to believe

01:09:27.060 look i don't know what the truth is on how many democrats um still love america okay and quite

01:09:34.920 honestly i'm beginning to question some people on the right do you actually just are you really

01:09:40.520 thinking that the enlightenment was the biggest downfall of mankind? Are you not thinking that

01:09:47.300 we hold these truths to be self-evident, that that's a good idea anymore? So I don't know

01:09:52.240 what's actually happening, but I need to believe that there are good people on both sides that are

01:09:59.000 reasonable, that want the country to survive. And it doesn't survive through civil war. It doesn't

01:10:07.220 survive through tearing everything apart it doesn't survive by killing a president it doesn't

01:10:12.180 survive by killing you know health care executives it doesn't survive that way and now is a time of

01:10:19.000 choosing and we have to get there and i want to believe because if i don't believe that there are

01:10:24.200 people that vote differently than i do that want to save america then we're over anyway and i don't

01:10:30.620 want to live that way i don't want to i want to go out swinging and hoping uh for the best but

01:10:36.460 then again you know you brought up the abc diane sawyer thing and i've told parts of this story

01:10:41.820 before um where you know i brought this up because we were talking about abc and disney and jimmy

01:10:50.140 kimmel and i don't want to censor jimmy kimmel i don't want i should say this i don't want the

01:10:55.680 president and the government involved in any of that in any of it um and i'll stand with you and

01:11:01.760 I have supported people who have said horrible thing.

01:11:06.120 What's his name?

01:11:07.000 Um,

01:11:07.500 gun is a James gun who was,

01:11:09.980 he was fired.

01:11:11.800 I think by ABC,

01:11:14.880 I can't remember.

01:11:15.620 He was,

01:11:16.060 but he was fired and said some things that I disagree with,

01:11:19.720 but I supported him and stood up for him.

01:11:23.300 You have to be able to express your opinion in America.

01:11:26.340 You have to,

01:11:27.760 um,

01:11:28.120 that is what we're based on.

01:11:29.760 However,

01:11:30.080 there are some standards,

01:11:31.360 But I don't think people who are in power actually care about standards. I don't think that ABC actually cares. I don't think they do. They have their own point of view, and they'll make money on whoever they can make money on, and then they'll move on.

01:11:51.440 And they don't they don't actually have principles. And I told Ricky this story about Diane Sawyer, who used to be a big deal at one point. And I remember I was going out. I had just signed on with Fox and I was still at CNN and I was going out to do the Christmas sweater tour. And I was gone for three weeks. And she said, when you come back, we want to do a deal at ABC with you.

01:12:14.720 she said we're going to change television i'm going to go do cbs evening news and i have

01:12:19.560 i have a lot of sway and i want you to be the one to reinvent nightline and i was like are you

01:12:26.740 kidding me sure and she's like no i'm telling you together we can reinvent television she said what

01:12:31.460 you're doing right now is reinventing it now remember this is when i was at cnn and i said

01:12:37.220 that's great and my wife it got to be so weird my wife actually said does she have a thing for you

01:12:43.900 And I said, what are you talking about? 0.99

01:12:45.300 She's like, she calls every night.

01:12:47.100 She calls you all the time.

01:12:48.780 Does she have a thing for you?

01:12:49.440 And I'm like, honey, I don't think Diane Sawyer has a thing.

01:12:51.700 And I don't have a thing for her, so we're safe.

01:12:54.800 But we became BFFs for a while.

01:12:57.760 We announced it on my radio program here on this program.

01:13:02.220 She came on, and she was just glowing about how great I am and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:08.500 And then later that day, I never heard from her again.

01:13:12.480 and I'm like what the hell happened now getting backstory getting from back channels I find out

01:13:21.920 that care has just approached Bob Iger they didn't go to ABC they went to Bob Iger and they said

01:13:28.860 Bob we will boycott the mouse house you let this guy on because remember I was saying back then

01:13:36.960 the same things I'm saying now I just didn't call it the red green alliance there's a real problem 0.99

01:13:42.060 marxism and uh and islamists be careful and they went to him and said we will boycott

01:13:49.340 uh disney and you don't want us boycotting disney we can be your friends and your allies 0.96

01:13:55.220 or we'll take you down so he immediately sent messages because i had a contract with him

01:14:01.980 immediately sent messages he is not to appear on abc okay so i don't hear anything i know what's

01:14:08.660 going on because i'm hearing from the back channels but i don't hear anything from diane i don't hear

01:14:13.560 anything from abc news they just kind of leave me in and so i finally start saying on the air you

01:14:17.980 know when am i going to appear on abc i thought this was a big deal i thought this was you know

01:14:21.160 nothing nothing nothing then finally i start turning up the heat and she's like okay okay

01:14:27.840 you're going to be on abc this friday or whenever it was um and i she put me in a situation because

01:14:33.620 it was supposed to be the two of us we were going to reinvent television remember uh

01:14:38.400 And, um, it was supposed to be the two of us. And all of a sudden on that episode, I'm sitting next

01:14:45.400 to a, uh, an, a mom and now I'm debating Islam. And I'm like, and I'm just looking at her the

01:14:52.460 whole time. And she's just giving me the cold shoulder. So I said, wow, that's, uh, that's

01:14:58.420 interesting afterwards. Um, you know, we're going to have a real problem because I'm going to start

01:15:03.020 talking about this. A series of events happen. Next thing I know, about a week later, I get a

01:15:09.800 call from her and she wants to have lunch. And we're having lunch right down the street from

01:15:14.240 right here. And I come and she's sitting in a table right in the window. And I sit down and

01:15:22.100 she begins to go into my faith. Why do you hate women? I'm like, what? Hello, Diane. What? What 1.00

01:15:32.860 happen? Um, uh, he said, what do you mean? What do you mean? Why do I hate women? And she said,

01:15:38.380 well, your faith does blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I said, no, that's not what my faith

01:15:42.540 teaches. That's a complete misunderstanding of my faith. And that's not, you know, and then she

01:15:47.340 just started attacking and attacking. She, she, I'm convinced she had to leave there hating my guts. 0.87

01:15:55.260 and so she was coming after me in every possible way she possibly could i just wanted the whole

01:16:02.860 thing to end um but it showed to me she wasn't sincere nobody at abc is sincere they don't hold

01:16:11.080 any real true values they they just hold the value of what's good for them what will bring

01:16:18.200 in the audience and what will keep the mouse off of their back so they have stan they do have

01:16:25.540 standards they just don't apply them equally yeah it's just money it's just money if if this were

01:16:31.120 reversed if this had been another time you know let's just say the pendulum is swinging so far

01:16:36.720 the other direction that all of these things that you know i have been saying suddenly are wildly

01:16:42.860 popular. ABC would have absolutely, everybody they hold up today, they'd absolutely torch.

01:16:50.240 They'd torch them without a blink of an eye. They'd torch them. Jimmy Kimmel, gone. Immediately,

01:16:56.200 gone. They wouldn't even be on the air. They don't care. They don't care. The money doesn't

01:17:03.960 care. Bob Iger, when he was there, he only cared about Disney. ABC, you could flush ABC down the

01:17:11.500 toilet don't touch the mouse so that's why you know if you really if you really want to make an

01:17:18.640 impact with disney with abc forget about disney they don't care they don't care just so i understand

01:17:24.100 the original pressure point was from care yes council on his american islamic relations yes

01:17:32.360 and the first question came out to you was why do you hate women yeah i know crazy right come on

01:17:38.240 absolutely crazy standards i think we kind of lost them right there but that is i mean that

01:17:43.060 just goes i mean i've been saying this for the last couple of weeks um you know i'm so tired

01:17:48.340 of hearing about pedophiles and jeffrey epstein i agree with you jeffrey epstein's a huge problem

01:17:53.600 i'd like to know all of the details on that yada yada yada i want all of that out i agree with you

01:17:59.280 horrible horrible situation horrible human being and i would love to know i mean he he didn't become

01:18:05.880 this rich and famous by just doing it himself. Who were all the people that were going to the

01:18:12.080 island? We know it happened. So I want to know, but it kills me that the people like, uh, what's

01:18:19.500 his name? Hassan Piker, which I'm going to be exposing this week. I've got a lot to say about

01:18:25.120 this guy. Um, extraordinarily dangerous, extraordinarily dangerous guy, but I'm not

01:18:31.260 going to be lectured by you on Jeffrey Epstein. Please. You turn a blind eye to everything that

01:18:38.700 is happening in these Islamist countries where they will absolutely marry off a nine-year-old 1.00

01:18:47.980 to a 40-year-old guy. That's better than Jeffrey Epstein? Now you're doing it with religious 0.50

01:18:53.500 fervor. I'm not going to be lectured by people who tell me about Jeffrey Epstein, but then will

01:18:59.320 turn a blind eye did you hear about the guy who um i can't remember where he's from pakistan or

01:19:04.240 syria or one of these places he goes over to london this just happened goes over to london

01:19:08.420 he kidnaps and rapes this like seven year old girl i think he got nine months did you see this

01:19:15.880 story yesterday jason i think he got like nine months and the reason why he's from a different

01:19:20.540 culture well i don't care what your culture says i don't care our culture says that's wrong and if 0.54

01:19:27.900 your culture says that's right your culture is from the bowels of hell period that's what i do

01:19:34.940 not get about this whole red green alliance thing i i don't understand like normally if you have an

01:19:40.280 alliance it's at least not so easily attackable but that's why that's why i did the monologue just

01:19:46.780 a few minutes ago because once you can get democrats regular people who don't hate the

01:19:52.920 country to see guys you have been played you have been slowly and meticulously played they have put

01:20:05.300 the best researchers and the best behavioral scientists on this how do i get you to accept

01:20:13.900 these things and fight on our side even though you're not for those things how do we do it i mean

01:20:21.380 they does nobody remember how many behavioral scientists they have hired along the way they

01:20:29.480 have been manipulating you the entire time you're not for these things you're not for the marriage 0.97

01:20:36.960 of a 40 year old to a nine year old you're not for throwing homosexuals off the roof why the 1.00

01:20:44.100 hell are you standing with the Palestinians who will kill the homosexuals who will kill people 1.00

01:20:51.440 because they disagree oh how are you possibly standing with the mullahs in Iran over Donald 1.00

01:20:59.840 Trump I know you don't like Donald Trump I know you don't like Donald Trump but wait if you want 0.95

01:21:07.540 to compare it's one thing to say I don't want this war I disagree with Iran I don't want them to win 0.98

01:21:13.020 you know but i you know i i don't think we should be fighting this war it's israel's war whatever 0.99

01:21:17.860 you want to say that's different than i'm rooting for the imams in uh iran that's manipulation

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01:23:21.200 All right, Jason, we have not had a chance to talk about Iran at all. Can you give me an update

01:23:26.420 on Iran 60 seconds.

01:23:28.400 Yeah, it looks like the administration

01:23:30.680 is not giving in to what the Iranians are saying 0.97

01:23:33.960 their new 10-point plan is, whatever it is. 0.67

01:23:37.720 They said they'll open it up.

01:23:40.140 We had to give them something,

01:23:42.320 but they'll open it up.

01:23:43.220 They're really getting desperate.

01:23:44.620 Yeah, I think that the Trump administration

01:23:45.860 is going to sit back and wait.

01:23:47.180 Wait for all that storage capacity to fill up.

01:23:49.720 That's what they have to do.

01:23:50.500 Yeah, it's supposedly at the breaking point.

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01:25:45.380 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:25:51.680 Hello America, it is Tuesday, we're in New York City

01:25:57.780 And I wanted to bring Camille Foster in

01:26:01.280 He is editor-of-large at Tangle

01:26:03.960 He is also the co-host of the podcast, The Fifth Column

01:26:06.840 And is a deep thinker and I think refreshing in the way he thinks

01:26:14.200 And we're going to start with Jimmy Kimmel, that's coming up in just a second

01:26:17.340 First, let me talk to you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews

01:26:20.800 I'm going to tell you about a woman named Esther. She's 84 years old. She lives in Israel. She's fragile. She's alone. Her days are measured, you know, in the time that she has to actually get to the shelter before the rockets come down.

01:26:33.760 Here she is, 84 years old. Life should be quieter, safer, more peaceful. She's spending long stretches now in a bomb shelter, and a lot of people are doing this, wondering what's coming next.

01:26:41.820 who brings in the food for an 84 year old woman who checks on her who makes sure that the medicine

01:26:49.260 is there who reminds her that she hasn't been abandoned there's a lot of these situations

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01:27:47.700 Camille, how are you? I'm good. Thank you for having me.

01:27:50.840 You're welcome. It's good to have you here.

01:27:53.200 You live in

01:27:54.620 New York

01:27:56.120 and California

01:27:57.600 and I have to start with 0.99

01:28:00.440 what the hell is wrong with you? 0.96

01:28:03.080 Necessity demands it at the moment 0.97

01:28:04.540 and I don't quite live in New York

01:28:06.360 but I'm here pretty much every single week now.

01:28:08.840 Well, they're charging you.

01:28:09.860 Mill Valley, California.

01:28:11.020 They're charging you as if you live in New York.

01:28:12.140 Yes, I know that that is coming as well.

01:28:15.480 Your overall sense of where this is headed.

01:28:20.600 I mean, you look at New York and California,

01:28:23.820 and nobody is saying, hey, this isn't working out well.

01:28:29.340 They're doubling down on all of this

01:28:31.540 and now suggesting this is the future for America.

01:28:34.660 Well, both places have had really dysfunctional political systems and bad political leadership for a very long time. California, I think, has a uniquely bad problem because it has this resource curse. I mean, you've been to California. I currently live there. I live in the shadow of Mount Tam in Marin County.

01:28:51.960 it is one of the most extraordinary beautiful places on planet earth it is authentically it is

01:28:57.200 and the challenge is that there can be so many things that go wrong that people will be willing

01:29:01.940 to tolerate gas prices that are will make your eyes water um everything costs more and now

01:29:07.160 everything is under lock and key and it's been that way for like five or six years but the

01:29:10.540 policies are burning the state to the ground yeah it's it's it's making it a hellscape to live i

01:29:17.140 mean you know i remember as a kid going to california and it was beautiful it was just

01:29:22.200 beautiful california i've wanted to live in california my whole life i won't because they're

01:29:26.300 crazy yeah they're crazy you can't afford to live there you can't afford to do business there or

01:29:31.120 anything else but i love california yeah and you know it's one thing to say you know but i want the

01:29:37.340 weather and it's another to say but look at what is happening around me it's a hellscape yeah yeah

01:29:43.680 Well, I'm grateful to have been there.

01:29:46.520 There's so much about the place and quite honestly, like the people in the culture in Marin that I've benefited from.

01:29:52.040 My kids are in a school that I absolutely love.

01:29:54.620 But to have a front seat to a lot of the political dysfunction, all of the things that go wrong.

01:29:59.780 San Francisco is right across the bridge.

01:30:01.500 I go there and you see the actual tangible consequences of bad policy.

01:30:06.820 Are people waking up at all?

01:30:08.200 I think so.

01:30:09.000 Absolutely.

01:30:09.240 There's been some turnover, at least in local government.

01:30:12.440 I think you're going to see it there first, but the governor's race doesn't give me much, much hope that they're actually going to be making much, much better decisions.

01:30:19.520 I think J.D. Vance is going to come after all this corruption like crazy.

01:30:22.720 I think Donald Trump said you're going to be in charge of weeding out all the corruption.

01:30:27.360 I think that I mean, I think that is the 2028 plan to show the massive corruption that is happening.

01:30:34.540 Because if we really are in four years, if we've put $2 trillion into corruption, I mean, there's your answer to our debt problem.

01:30:45.480 Just cut the corruption.

01:30:47.880 Just cut the corruption and we would be a lot better off.

01:30:52.020 Hard to disentangle.

01:30:53.140 I think really hard to do from the top down.

01:30:55.100 I want to be optimistic in the same way I wanted to be optimistic about Doge.

01:30:59.140 I think it managed to make some cuts, but really not really.

01:31:02.540 Everybody knows. Everybody knows now why they had to get rid of it. Everybody. If you don't know why the left went bat crap crazy and some on the Republican side, too.

01:31:15.120 You send guys in with computers that know exactly what they're doing and they're looking. I mean, this it's corruption is the is the biggest game in town. 0.78

01:31:24.540 I think corruption is part of it, but also just navigating the corridors of power in D.C., the kind of labyrinth of bureaucratic, like entrenched bureaucratic power.

01:31:34.500 Again, really, really difficult stuff to do.

01:31:36.560 You can't disentangle it very easily.

01:31:38.700 And so much of the funding is kind of truncated and tranched in these strange ways that are just hard to disentangle.

01:31:44.700 So today is I've been kind of laying out a an outline that I have to believe that there are people on both sides of the aisle that love the republic that don't want to see our president.

01:32:00.060 I don't care if it's Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

01:32:02.400 They don't want to see him killed.

01:32:03.780 They don't want to see chaos.

01:32:05.860 They don't want a destruction of our Constitution.

01:32:08.480 They just want things fixed.

01:32:09.960 I think that's most Americans.

01:32:11.000 Yeah.

01:32:11.180 Do you?

01:32:11.580 I think so.

01:32:12.200 I want to believe that.

01:32:13.520 I want to believe that too. I want to believe that too. But we are so, um, I mean, there are forces, the red green alliance is one of them that are intent on destroying us. And, and they have taken in many of our, uh, universities taken the youth and our youth. They don't even know what freedom of speech is.

01:32:37.440 They don't think it should be protected, that there is stuff that you shouldn't be able to say, which is insane coming from an American.

01:32:45.000 Let's talk about Jimmy Kimmel, because today I got on and I got he Ricky was just telling me that, you know, my own insiders think that I'm wrong on this.

01:32:53.420 And I don't think I am.

01:32:57.000 Jimmy Kimmel.

01:32:58.940 I think if I was running ABC, I would fire him, but not because the government told me to.

01:33:04.900 I am absolutely dead. If the FCC started coming after ABC on this, I would lead the campaign against the FCC. It is wrong. I don't like the, you know, I don't like the mob cancel culture or anything else, but there's got to be some standards.

01:33:22.580 He has a right to say these things. ABC has a right to air these things. How do you balance free speech with decency? If your culture doesn't have decency, what do you have?

01:33:36.280 I mean, I think it has to be culturally enforced. And I think the Kimmel, the Kimmel situation and the timetable seems to be on Thursday. He makes a joke. Yeah. On Saturday, there's an attempt on the president. Correct. However, wait, wait, wait. But however, remember, the last time he was in trouble is because he was mocking Charlie Kirk being killed. You know what I mean? At some point, a decent person says, you know what, that's just off the table.

01:33:59.340 maybe not the jokes i want to make and i and i i can totally understand that but also comedy

01:34:03.260 is comedy and comedy is about saying things that people expect you not to say it is uncouth it's

01:34:09.820 unacceptable the the the trick is landing the punch appropriately and did he manage to do that

01:34:15.600 on thursday maybe by saturday that joke didn't make as much sense and if he were telling that

01:34:20.420 joke on monday that might color things differently but on saturday i mean on thursday it seems like

01:34:26.280 a joke about a younger woman married to an older man perhaps you don't find it funny you can always

01:34:32.380 turn the channel and plenty of people have already done that i know that's his excuse but i don't buy

01:34:36.460 that at all um uh so so how do we balance how do we balance this because i don't want government

01:34:43.160 but you know i i said earlier the good thing for abc because i've done i've done radio i'm 49 years

01:34:50.780 in radio now. Um, next year it will be my 50th anniversary. Wow. And, uh, and so I remember at

01:34:57.360 13 years old having to take the FCC test to be able to be on radio. And one of the things I know

01:35:03.720 is the FCC, it has certain guidelines, but a lot of it is community standards. Right. And so what's

01:35:10.060 in, what's happening in an ABC's favor is we don't have any community standards anymore. It's almost

01:35:15.700 like there are no standards anymore how do we encourage standards to come back without

01:35:22.560 without forcing things without the government how do we do that how do we fix this hole yeah

01:35:29.520 just one i don't think the government can meaningfully enforce standards here in this

01:35:33.700 country you just cannot do it by fiat it has to be cultural in which case it's the people who

01:35:38.820 are listening to the show to the extent you're listening to something you hear it and you hate

01:35:42.500 and you only have contempt for that station,

01:35:44.840 you can, one, vote with your feet and your dollars

01:35:47.180 and go elsewhere with your business,

01:35:48.500 and that will actually cause some change eventually.

01:35:51.340 But of course, letter-writing campaigns still matter.

01:35:53.620 Of course, organizing online in different ways

01:35:55.720 still matters and has consequences.

01:35:57.980 The question is whether or not what Kimmel did

01:36:00.160 actually rises to the level of something

01:36:01.940 that's going to animate that kind of concern

01:36:03.720 amongst the public.

01:36:04.600 And I do think that you can have people

01:36:05.920 on the left and the right

01:36:06.960 who are meaningfully outraged by something happening,

01:36:09.480 even in times like these where people are so divided.

01:36:12.800 I will tell you the one thing that used to scare the hell out of radio stations is

01:36:16.580 because when you're up for a license renewal, you have to have a license renewal every,

01:36:20.660 I don't remember, every five years or whatever it is.

01:36:22.860 You have to keep all the letters that came in.

01:36:26.060 And then the FCC comes in and they review all the letters.

01:36:29.020 And how did you respond to those?

01:36:30.800 Because that's how they gauge community standards.

01:36:34.060 Are these local letters coming in about your local station

01:36:38.240 and you can say, um, and I think there was a station someplace that canceled Kimmel for a

01:36:44.440 while because they said our community standards are different than Los Angeles or New York.

01:36:48.880 And so they canceled them. And that was, I'll bet you specifically because if you get letters in

01:36:55.800 your local market, you have to respond to your community standards or the FCC can say you're

01:37:02.460 not paying attention to your own community and this has to be local. That's, that's the one

01:37:07.320 thing that's the one caveat it doesn't it's not national it must be local standards but i wonder

01:37:13.760 glenn what do you think because i i look at what the president has said and the first lady and

01:37:18.400 their response to it is probably animated more interest in what he said on thursday than anything

01:37:23.760 that might have happened had they ignored it so i told a story earlier today a podcaster said

01:37:29.280 you know um after charlie died and charlie was a friend of mine and my daughter was probably 15

01:37:36.560 feet away from him when he died. And a podcaster said, it's interesting, you know, Glenn loves

01:37:42.480 Israel. Um, and, uh, and then his daughter is just mysteriously that close. Okay. Like,

01:37:51.260 like my daughter had something to do with his death. I came home. I said that to my wife and

01:37:56.020 my wife stood up and said, where does she live? And I said, we're not going to sit down, honey,

01:38:00.940 But that was the immediate reaction of a mother. And I feel this way with Erica Kirk. And I feel

01:38:07.840 this way about Melania that, um, leave them alone, leave them alone. You know, there's only so much

01:38:15.840 a family can take. And this family has been bludgeoned over and over and over again with

01:38:21.320 this kind of stuff and nobody seems to care. So while I disagree with the president saying what

01:38:28.100 he did because it carries the weight of the presidency you know what i mean um i kind of

01:38:34.360 understand it's different when it's about you you know what i mean that doesn't mean you act on that

01:38:42.000 and i don't want the president to influence or anything like that i don't want the government

01:38:46.380 to do any of that um but especially with melania i mean at some point what has she done to people 0.92

01:38:55.040 what has she done yeah i mean she hasn't been elected to office she's not running for anything

01:38:59.580 and she's perfectly reasonable and kind and nice she's not in everybody's face she's not you know

01:39:06.400 hillary clinton she's not talking about policies or anything else she's just

01:39:10.960 yeah a first lady leave her alone yeah not not a particularly divisive figure like the phrase that

01:39:17.080 comes to mind when i think about her is be best yeah yeah right it's not even innocuous right

01:39:22.240 That's just good.

01:39:23.820 Right, right.

01:39:24.660 So what are your thoughts on that?

01:39:26.360 On which dimension of it?

01:39:27.960 On what they said yesterday.

01:39:31.140 Again, I think I can offer, I think you put it in the right context, at least with Melania.

01:39:37.620 If she's speaking out publicly about this, she has every right to.

01:39:40.500 She is a private citizen.

01:39:41.900 And as much as she happens to be the president's wife, she can say whatever she likes.

01:39:45.700 And if she believes that this person ought to be terminated, she can say that too.

01:39:50.020 I do think, however, that it would serve her well and it would serve the interests of the presidency in general and perhaps the country to to set some of that stuff aside.

01:40:01.200 So let me tell you a story about what happened with me and Barack Obama.

01:40:04.960 OK, because it's the flip side of of this.

01:40:09.460 OK, let me give me 60 seconds and we'll be back in just a second.

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01:40:29.320 These are people, they're people, period, they're people.

01:40:33.320 We're never going to change things by law.

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01:40:56.760 It's not real.

01:40:57.340 Don't worry about it.

01:40:58.180 And many of them don't want to do that.

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01:42:04.980 um so when i was um during the um obama administration somebody asked me what is

01:42:14.940 happening with barack obama how do you understand barack obama and i said i don't know i think he's

01:42:19.360 a racist and then i said wait no that's not right um and i meant that that's not right

01:42:26.140 but he seems to have a real problem a deep-seated problem with the white culture what i was

01:42:31.240 describing was the feeling of DEI that I didn't understand. Okay. That there's something wrong

01:42:37.880 there and I don't know what it is. Um, well, everybody went crazy, wanted to be fired. I

01:42:43.060 remember. Yeah, you remember. Okay. Um, and everybody wanted me fired. Barack Obama never

01:42:48.580 said anything, but there were 11 people in the white house. Van Jones was one of them, color of 0.70

01:42:54.500 change that mounted campaigns so i'd rather have somebody say we're coming for you than to say

01:43:03.140 oh no i'm i i'm just i'm above all of that when the machinery is already working you know what i

01:43:11.080 mean so uh there's a problem if you're really not going to do it if you're telling everyone you know

01:43:19.240 i don't want you to do anything yeah i will not be your friend and i will rat you out i want

01:43:24.780 nothing done on this then i don't have a problem with it i'd rather have somebody stand up and go

01:43:29.280 i have a real problem for you and i'm coming for you you know i can appreciate that and i i get

01:43:34.480 that there is generally a double standard here even in the way that this sort of thing happens

01:43:38.640 to be treated internally to the extent you're coming from the left and you're making these

01:43:42.260 kinds of criticisms or these kinds of jokes the likelihood that you will face some sort of cultural

01:43:46.940 sanction is far lower than if you were a conservative doing the same thing um and in fact

01:43:51.840 yesterday i made a similar observation about the actually we i suspect we'll get to that um but

01:43:57.040 you know well the assassination attempt like barack obama just thinking back to that same period

01:44:04.960 like the level of concern about his safety yeah given the fact that he was the first black

01:44:10.880 president of the united states was extraordinary yeah had there been one attempt on his life over

01:44:15.760 the course of his eight years in office oh my gosh like we would still be talking about it now

01:44:19.760 it would be a moment that lived in infamy but three over the course of again and these are

01:44:25.940 just the threes that were disrupted that we know about right there's certainly other things that

01:44:30.000 have been pulled on etc yeah it's like eight different attempts three were this is notable

01:44:35.320 it's extraordinary and it's disconcerting in in this way that whether you're MAGA or not like

01:44:41.720 this is disconcerting as an american and i think that the the gravity of it doesn't really seem to

01:44:47.900 be hitting people i know yesterday we discussed it on my own uh podcast on the fifth column and i

01:44:52.000 i find myself like actually pretty distraught about it i think especially because this guy

01:44:58.000 is just so ordinary it seems like there there doesn't appear to be like this kind of and we

01:45:03.820 don't know maybe we'll learn some things later that will make this seem otherwise but like the

01:45:08.080 radicalization it seems so casual so that was the thing i said yesterday again i think i pissed my

01:45:14.220 audience off every day uh yesterday i was talking about it i said this guy's not evil he's more

01:45:19.380 terrifying than evil because he thought he was doing good but he has been he's been indoctrinated

01:45:25.680 and radicalized to where he actually believes this is good that's you know the nazis if they all knew

01:45:32.600 they were evil that's scary but what's really scary were the ones that were your neighbors

01:45:37.160 who were like wait wait you believe what and they thought they were good yeah that's terrifying i

01:45:43.700 mean you read that manifesto he's kind of casually yes like cracking jokes your friendly neighborhood

01:45:48.600 assassin like what on earth is this how do you make sense out of that i think there's a kind of

01:45:54.060 evil that one can see like the branch davidians kind of mounting a campaign yes yes things like

01:45:59.640 That's scary, but they focused on it in a way that is kind of relentless.

01:46:05.360 Here, casually observing politics and suddenly taking trains cross-country to try and assassinate the president,

01:46:12.580 throwing your life away, that concerns me.

01:46:15.280 Yeah, me too.

01:46:16.380 More in just a minute with Camille Foster.

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01:48:10.720 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. We're with Camille Foster in studio here in New York City.

01:48:16.080 He is editor-large of Tangle, readtangle.com, also co-host of the podcast The Fifth Column.

01:48:23.680 And, you know, one of the things that, one of the things I really respect about you is you are not somebody that makes, in this culture, everything about race.

01:48:36.940 It is about, you know, I love, what was his name, Victor Glover?

01:48:40.380 Yeah.

01:48:41.420 I love him.

01:48:42.600 i think he is like the i think he's neil armstrong in the best ways he's neil armstrong and he did

01:48:48.540 not want that don't stop saying that i'm the first black person who cares who cares um can we ever

01:48:55.920 get back to where you know we've never been there yeah but i thought we were making progress

01:49:02.260 and then it just got way late can we ever get back to your pin i'm i am a man yeah well most

01:49:10.200 most people don't even know what this is. I mean, I am a man, um, it's 1968 sanitation workers

01:49:14.760 strike. This is a sign that they were carrying around then. And, um, I, I started wearing this

01:49:19.800 pin maybe 2022. Uh, and it just occurred to me that there was this amazing contrast between,

01:49:27.460 uh, a kind of civil rights movement that was anchored in this ideal of your dignity being

01:49:34.080 rooted in your humanity. I am a man as opposed to a civil rights movement ostensibly that's

01:49:40.180 rooted in black lives matter. Like one is an appeal for kind of equal standing on the basis

01:49:46.280 of your race, the other on the basis of human dignity. And one, only one of those things in

01:49:50.960 my estimation is remotely credible. And can we get back there? I'm a child of the eighties and

01:49:55.860 nineties. Like I, I remember Michael Jackson's, like, it doesn't matter if you're black or white.

01:50:01.180 Like that was the sentiment that I was, I was reared within and it's never left me. I have to

01:50:07.280 imagine that most people kind of have a general orientation in that direction and honestly just

01:50:12.160 learning to think in a more sophisticated way about human difference is is something that takes

01:50:18.320 a bit of practice um but i do think we can get there i have to believe that it is the difference

01:50:22.920 we go through the world goes through these you know these cycles of um from the me to the we

01:50:31.020 and every time we get into the we we're in trouble yeah you know too much me is also trouble but you

01:50:36.420 know the balance is where we should be but you get into this collectivism yes and it just destroys

01:50:42.800 everything yeah we we are the one and you can argue that you know i mean our founders even said

01:50:49.200 it when you know after the articles of confederation too much me you know need a little bit more of the

01:50:55.420 we but you know that's what made us different that's why i'm going over to um england um to

01:51:04.680 speak at um oxford university and then also with uh tommy robinson and my message is going to be

01:51:12.640 over there is i don't know who you are you know who americans are if they believe in the

01:51:17.680 declaration of independence because we're about the individual europe can become about the

01:51:24.100 collective quickly and i don't care what side you're on if you're looking at the collective

01:51:29.880 you can be a grave danger you can say oh we're for free speech and all that stuff but if you're

01:51:35.920 for the collective i want nothing to do with you yeah you know yeah can i commend something to you

01:51:40.740 glenn and i just it's a move to do it i don't know if you're familiar i suspect you're familiar

01:51:45.520 with john steinbeck i don't know if you're familiar with east of eden which is just like

01:51:48.920 one of the greatest books in the english language never read it it's a wonderful novel chapter 13

01:51:54.700 of east of eden you could pick it up just read that by itself like has this extraordinary defense

01:52:00.000 of individualism and this kind of warning against collectivism that is baked into a non-fiction book

01:52:05.600 and i think it is perhaps like one of the most compelling like beautiful things that you can

01:52:10.280 read on this topic and i would just commend it to everyone in the audience like go find it

01:52:14.420 read it meditate on it for a bit because i think you're i think you're absolutely right like there

01:52:18.560 is a kind of current of it. It comes back every once in a while. And it is uniquely dangerous

01:52:25.340 in ways that people just seem to not appreciate. And the various guises it arrives in are often

01:52:31.240 different. Sometimes it's more nationalist. Sometimes it's more ethnic. Sometimes it's

01:52:35.380 explicitly racial. Whatever it is, it takes us away from being able to recognize the dignity

01:52:41.640 of the individuals. And something I say pretty regularly is if we fail to see one another as

01:52:45.700 individuals i think we meaningfully fail to see one another at all yeah yeah um can i ask you

01:52:52.440 about i was talking to somebody just the other day we were it must have been here we were here

01:52:57.900 in new york and somehow or another kanye came up and i said i've never been and i know you're a big

01:53:03.100 fan of kanye i've never i've never known my entire relationship you know as a person just watching

01:53:10.560 where uh what's right because i went from indifference to wow this guy really is the

01:53:20.220 real deal to oh my gosh look how brave he is to holy cow he's terrifying oh my gosh he may be

01:53:28.220 insane uh and terribly alone to now maybe he's on recovery and i don't know if any of those are

01:53:37.320 right i don't know who the guy is yeah who who is he um i'll say this i've been a fan of kanye's

01:53:43.960 for as as long as i can remember perhaps for as long as he's been making making music professionally

01:53:49.240 and um i recently interviewed nico belesteros who's a young guy who made this documentary

01:53:55.640 called in whose name about kanye and it really kind of tracks several incredibly important years

01:54:02.140 of his life right before his most recent break it pretty much ends with that defcon tweet

01:54:06.800 that he sent out, which was a pretty bad moment. And as a Kanye West fan, you've had your ups and

01:54:13.300 your downs. George Bush doesn't care about black people. You cringe at that. But what I think is 0.98

01:54:19.440 undeniable is that he has suffered from profound mental illness. And it has contributed to a lot

01:54:25.240 of the kind of eccentric, if I'm going to be generous, and really malignant behavior that

01:54:31.780 he's engaged in over the years. And I think that that history of mental illness combined with

01:54:37.880 what I think most people just don't really appreciate, like how deranging stardom is,

01:54:43.920 like to be on a pedestal, to be surrounded by people who, for all intents and purposes,

01:54:48.500 are kind of sycophants. They're yes men. They want to tell you that you're great at all times.

01:54:53.160 You don't know who you can really trust. They all depend on you for their lifestyle.

01:54:57.100 In his case, he at least had a family who he had married into, and there seemed to be a real

01:55:01.180 affection there certainly the behind the scenes stuff that i've seen suggest as much but he was

01:55:06.280 unwell um and at the moment i'm just i'm hoping the recovery that he seems to be having is real

01:55:12.340 and that's just because i can't i can't imagine not hoping for someone to find them their way

01:55:17.360 back to sanity to find their way back to normalcy for the sake of his children for the sake of you

01:55:22.540 know the the many many fans who have been kind of impacted but also just for his sake i would love

01:55:27.800 for him to find like peace and happiness and to be able to produce music without like helping to

01:55:34.240 promote this contempt and enmity for other people on the basis of their their religious beliefs or

01:55:39.220 race i have to tell you i um i i don't i mean i i don't know how far you're going on the

01:55:48.380 you know um the destabilizing factor of fame that doesn't account necessarily for as far as he went

01:55:58.020 that's just that's something else agreed however i will go with you on um especially somebody like

01:56:05.220 kanye you know fame it's it's golden or velvet handcuffs they want you handcuffed to what you

01:56:17.080 do because you are a cash cow and so you can't trust anyone around you because all they want is

01:56:25.100 your next performance that's all they want and or they want you know a piece of it or whatever

01:56:32.380 um and it it would be a horribly lonely place um especially if you are sick because they'll just go

01:56:43.140 right with you to the gates of hell yeah nobody's going to stand up and go you're wrong and you know

01:56:49.740 risk you're going to kick them out of the gravy train or they're not going to you're not going

01:56:54.360 to get the next album you're not going to get whatever yeah scary yeah and and again i i should

01:56:58.900 say very clearly that none of this is about excusing his worst behavior at all i think the

01:57:04.200 the key word here is empathy and trying to imagine how people end up in the position that they're in

01:57:09.660 and how in some circumstances, but for the grace of God, you may have found yourself there

01:57:13.960 is always worthwhile. And I think rooting for people to meaningfully recover, to regain their

01:57:20.200 health, to become a contributing good member of the community that they are, that they're a part

01:57:25.780 of. Again, I just, I can't not be optimistic and hopeful for that. I'll tell you, this is such an

01:57:30.680 adult conversation. I don't know America, you know what I mean? America does not like adult

01:57:35.180 conversations right now everything has some of us don't yeah some of you know just has to be so

01:57:39.440 black and white um trump is i mean we could be in i don't if if conservatives or people who do not

01:57:52.440 look at the collective that want the constitution and the declaration and i include progressive

01:57:58.640 republicans in as enemies as well um but um if they don't win if we don't win in 2028 it's coming

01:58:08.540 back with a vengeance this left they are they'll eat their young um and it scares the hell out of

01:58:17.520 me what do you see for the republicans because they they i mean they just blow their feet off 0.97

01:58:27.060 with shotguns every day they're so worthless what what do you see coming as the next phase 0.71

01:58:36.180 trump is leaving as much as they want to say he's going to run again he's not he's not running he's

01:58:40.040 not running again so what comes next he's he's leaving the stage and he's leaving in a way that

01:58:47.100 is just more uncertain than kind of any presidency that i can remember like it's not clear that jd

01:58:52.540 Vance is the heir apparent. And then, you know, Marco Rubio is perhaps on equal standing with him

01:58:58.040 in terms of the potential for someone to assume the mantle of MAGA. But even that seems pretty

01:59:04.340 uncertain. And at the moment, the infighting within the conservative movement is pretty

01:59:09.900 extraordinary to observe, particularly amongst the kind of commentariat. And I have a difficult

01:59:16.280 time. I was hoping you could illuminate this for me in terms of helping me understand what is

01:59:21.080 creating it, but it does seem not disconnected from the fact that there just is not a clear,

01:59:26.820 obvious power center in the party for kind of a post-Trump world. And at the moment,

01:59:31.820 I think conservatives are focused on the midterms. I think they know that the House,

01:59:36.940 almost certainly something that they'll probably lose. The Senate, it's less likely that they lose

01:59:42.640 that, but it's at least up for grabs, which was kind of unimaginable two years ago. So it's a very

01:59:49.300 disconcerting circumstance um i think that the country is well served by having two healthy

01:59:55.140 political parties and at the moment they just don't have neither of them are healthy yeah they

01:59:59.680 don't have that and i wouldn't say you know that that most left of center people don't have an

02:00:04.860 appreciation for the constitution or individualism i hope you're right but there is an extremist

02:00:09.900 kind of derangement that had a hold of the party for a while and i think it still does for the left

02:00:15.480 the left still has that party at a choke at a choke point and i think there is a growing

02:00:22.220 movement on the right that scares the hell out of me just as much you know that there's that

02:00:27.680 uh you know that the enlightenment was the big mistake right you're like wait post-liberal right

02:00:35.040 yeah we're going back to candles what are you talking about

02:00:38.780 please no i mean that is crazy yeah crazy yeah and it's that's terrifying no it's it's it's

02:00:48.300 really frustrating and i i would love to think that we just kind of find our way through this

02:00:53.540 but it's it's a really disconcerting moment for the country in a lot of respects and i i do think

02:00:59.680 that the important thing though is kind of what we were talking about earlier in this conversation

02:01:02.920 like talking about first principles again helping younger people in particular understand like why

02:01:08.620 free expression is the essential right for for a free society you simply cannot be free if you

02:01:15.920 don't have that keep thinking that it's going to come back around you know what i mean that it's

02:01:20.580 that it that it's just going to come back around but these were never these these these were new

02:01:29.120 principles 250 years ago yes and they're still new people go over europe they think they have

02:01:35.100 what america has they don't yeah you know we think that they're just as free as we are they

02:01:40.440 don't have the bill of rights that's exactly right it's completely different and it's it's scary

02:01:44.900 because no these are not self-evident truths that's right anymore that's right just not yeah

02:01:51.720 and defending it is a forever war yeah yeah it's so great to have you it's wonderful to talk to you

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02:03:49.780 Okay? 0.99

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02:03:52.460 because this is some breaking news.

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02:04:09.920 Oh, yeah.

02:04:10.940 David Morinz has just been indicted by the DOJ.

02:04:15.260 Wait a minute.

02:04:16.040 Say it again.

02:04:16.960 But say it in that sexy, very white voice.

02:04:20.020 Dr. Anthony Fauci's top advisor.

02:04:22.800 Yeah.

02:04:23.400 David Morinz, Glenn.

02:04:24.580 Yeah.

02:04:25.080 It's just been indicted by the DOJ.

02:04:29.860 So you know what that means is they're taking the guys underneath.

02:04:34.780 Is this the guy who was like, Anthony is too smart to let anybody know.

02:04:38.700 I just use this email account because the other ones are with the government

02:04:44.080 and they'll never figure it out if we use this one.

02:04:47.640 This is a quote.

02:04:49.200 There is no worry about FOIAs.

02:04:51.380 I can either send stuff to Tony on his private Gmail or hand it to him at work or at his house.

02:04:55.880 He is too smart to let colleagues send that stuff.

02:04:58.100 I mean, they're coming.

02:04:59.780 They're coming.

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02:05:13.980 Yes, you don't want to miss a second of tomorrow's broadcast.

02:05:16.740 Thanks for listening, and may God save the Republic.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 28, 2026

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