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00:01:38.900 a lot to talk about um how history is being erased and and what we need to do about it coming up

00:01:54.380 in one minute this is the glenbeck program i don't know if you've seen this but uh the global markets are

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00:03:51.660 800-906-24 why do i have to i'm sorry hang on just a second who the hell is fred glenn hello hi how

00:04:03.740 are you doing it's fred mcostrap this guy again i'm so glad you had me on again no i i'm the head of

00:04:10.600 the republican outreach for the dnc and i am really excited to tell you about some of our fabulous

00:04:15.660 candidates we've got so many of them and your audience is just gonna love them okay i don't i don't

00:04:20.840 i don't think so fred you were on last week or earlier this week and and uh you know you were

00:04:27.160 pitching who was it uh elizabeth warren elizabeth warren she's fantastic but right i can understand

00:04:33.320 how so we've had some negative feedback from from uh our recommendation of elizabeth warren from your

00:04:39.120 audience right and i am totally with them uh i am i'm a lifelong republican myself just switched you

00:04:45.260 loved her well yeah but there were some interesting points that your audience brought up and i i'm not

00:04:50.600 here to talk about elizabeth today we had a little bit of a a little bit of a backlash from last time

00:04:56.280 but i want to tell you about someone you're really gonna love right oh my goodness you are going to

00:05:01.020 love this candidate all right who is it his name is robert francis o'rourke now this guy first of all

00:05:07.620 a texan a heart you want to say texan you look at this guy and you just say wow i mean how big is

00:05:13.680 that belt buckle that's the first thing you think of no when you think of robert francis o'rourke no

00:05:18.220 you first of all he you're the first democrat i've ever heard call him anything but beto

00:05:23.580 and he's he's definitely not a texan i mean he doesn't have any of the traits of texas i don't

00:05:30.240 understand why people think this it's he's a real misconception this one glenn and i'm glad you

00:05:35.120 brought it up so we could talk about it because your audience is really gonna love this guy okay

00:05:39.260 first of all it's not beto his name is not beto his name's bob you call him robert if you want to

00:05:44.380 be horrible about it you call him bob but he's got all the things republicans wanted a candidate

00:05:50.080 number one he's white and i know that's a huge thing your audience demands it's really

00:05:55.740 no you must have someone who's white no we don't that's that's not true it's it's absolutely i know

00:06:02.940 what you're saying and wink wink i'm with you on this so i mean he lost to ted cruz here's the

00:06:08.840 thing i who ted cruz i mean you know cruz what you know what i'm saying you could tell what he is

00:06:15.460 right your audience is gonna love this type of analysis i know that's why i'm giving it to you

00:06:19.660 okay so secondly first of all he's white so i know your audience will love him number two he's a man

00:06:25.740 none of these emotions and periods and all this other stuff that's going on with these women

00:06:29.980 am i right okay so that's number two number three he's rich he's i mean it's not one of these poor

00:06:36.560 people he's not one of these people who minimal class i want someone who's really super rich right

00:06:41.860 and number four your audience is going to really appreciate this one he did absolutely nothing for

00:06:47.300 his money he's inherited it he's getting it from his wife or whatever this is a guy who really is

00:06:53.740 going to connect with your audience have you heard his music yet he's a musician a wonderful

00:06:58.980 musician his music is horrible the whitest music you can possibly imagine beto i mean come on this

00:07:05.720 guy it is he is about is this part of the reintroduction of uh bob francis there was a

00:07:12.700 there was a directive that went out uh for me to give you a call today right this guy i mean his music

00:07:18.380 basically makes barry meadow look like jimmy hendrix that's basically where where his music

00:07:23.820 lines up and and here's the big thing uh mr back and i'm a huge fan a lifelong republican been listening

00:07:30.760 to you for years since you came on the air in 2013 and i am a huge supporter of yours but the problem

00:07:39.620 with beto is people think he's hispanic because people are calling him beto here's the backstory

00:07:46.300 i'm not told anyone this but i'm going to tell you because i'm a lifelong fan right since what was

00:07:51.940 it 2016 no i uh 2000 we went on that was a nickname uh came not from his his el paso upbringing

00:08:01.240 the nickname came from a country club servant uh and this country club servant could not say robert

00:08:08.540 because he was one of these people from wherever those regions are down there below that border fence

00:08:13.500 that we need right and i'm with you by the way we really need that um so but when he was called

00:08:18.900 uh beto bob frank o'rourke immediately had the worker fired he had him deported he had him uh he

00:08:28.440 had his family dog executed these are the sorts of things that beto will do for this country i mean

00:08:33.160 robert will do for this country well why did he go with beto for so long oh well that was just a that

00:08:38.100 was a media i mean a fake news am i right am i right and he's gonna be sporting not not the green

00:08:44.060 new deal but the white new deal so i know your hood wearing neanderthals in your audience are

00:08:49.460 absolutely gonna love him thanks so much for having me i appreciate thank you i wonderful too

00:08:56.400 can we make sure he's not on again please uh how you doing stew good i think he offers some good

00:09:06.300 insight actually pardon me it's it's interesting to hear the perspective of the democrats yeah how

00:09:11.300 they're communicating that yeah yeah well it was good to hear the reintroduction of of bob francis

00:09:16.120 and i think it's going well yeah you know i think it is people are really really getting excited

00:09:22.060 right about uh beto have you ever seen a campaign crash and burn like this i mean he came in as the

00:09:29.700 like the number two guy when he announced and it's gone from he was at 14 15 percent in some of these

00:09:35.180 polls and now he's down to two and three and one yeah there's nothing there you know they tried to

00:09:40.700 make him into the rfk rfk had real substance mm-hmm yeah i mean i mean i i would vote for rfk today

00:09:50.240 would you i mean i don't think so i mean policy wise i'd have lots of problems with him but still

00:09:56.720 really if you were a democrat like his race policy i know you still

00:10:01.760 no i mean it's uh you know i'd have to go back and really study the policy proposals i would have

00:10:09.020 to go back and study him too but but you'd have to say he's more conservative than you know you know

00:10:13.500 the 99 or 100 of the democrats running today jfk was was more conservative than any of them you

00:10:20.780 heard ami horowitz saying this yesterday another person running for president uh for the democrats who

00:10:25.180 said basically i'm more like jfk and does he even will they even allow a jfk type candidate even on

00:10:31.880 the stage no even if they you know he gets 65 000 donations they're going to try to find a way to

00:10:37.120 block him anyway i think that's going to be a real problem for them i think i mean they are they wanted

00:10:43.280 to be the most transparent the most open the most diverse and they are if they block him and they start

00:10:52.240 pulling shenanigans i think they're in real trouble now what does that mean the press is going to back

00:10:59.440 them up but i think they could have some real legal trouble yeah i mean i think that's probably true

00:11:05.920 there's at least that that could be a long road for them yeah but you look at this field and we have

00:11:10.280 all 23 i think it's 23 candidates now in the race if you don't include ami which we should he should be

00:11:16.240 on the board i mean you know uh people around here just don't respect him like we do uh but i'm it

00:11:21.160 would be great in the debate um but if you count 23 of them you look at them there are some that are

00:11:25.660 running as moderates they're saying like look we don't want the green new deal and this is a big

00:11:29.840 thing going on with joe biden right now in that he's in basically an overt fight with alexandria

00:11:35.240 acasio cortez about they hate aoc hates the old guard and the old guard hates her yeah and she of

00:11:46.760 course loves that and it's it's the reason why she's getting lots of money and living in nice

00:11:50.600 apartments and getting all this attention but they're talking about her as this kingmaker in

00:11:54.520 the democratic campaign and it's you know and she's in this fight with biden about the green new

00:11:59.180 deal and she's like well we we don't have uh any there's no time to compromise on our lives it's

00:12:05.160 like that sort of nonsensical talk and like everyone's like oh well what is the alexandria

00:12:10.880 acasio cortez going to do next well who cares joe biden's beating everybody by 30 points so here's

00:12:16.400 here she is let's play the audio of joe biden responding to aoc do we have that you never heard

00:12:26.720 me say middle of the road i've never been in the middle road on the environment and i tell her to

00:12:31.760 check uh you know uh the uh the uh the statement that i made and look at my record she'll find that

00:12:40.880 nobody had been more consistent about taking it on the environment and a green revolution than i have

00:12:46.900 and so look uh it's a long campaign and uh anybody should just calm they should calm down a little bit

00:12:55.920 i mean when you could make joe biden sound rational you have pulled a serious magic trick

00:13:01.600 i think that's good for him oh yeah i mean with the democrats i think democrats i mean the numbers

00:13:07.500 are showing it the democrats that are voters in the middle of the country do not want anything to do

00:13:14.160 with these socialists it does seem that way and you see that you know the the there's a lot of

00:13:20.980 candidates who are now switching you know when when this first all started everybody was on board

00:13:26.740 with the green new deal right you had to be to even get into the campaign lately though there's

00:13:31.220 been pushback on that you know i mean biden is is the the highest profile one but there's several

00:13:35.580 candidates in this field now that are saying those types of things even budaj is kind of going down

00:13:40.640 that road of of trying to position himself as a little bit more of a moderate option i gotta tell you

00:13:45.660 i i don't think it'll work if you've already come out and said these things uh maybe yeah i mean i

00:13:53.040 think people are look the bottom line is if if they're going to want a moderate it's going to be

00:13:57.180 hard to beat biden right if they want to go down that road if you think of it as two wings right

00:14:02.720 there's two wings of this primary the sort of socialist wing and the i mean moderate wing is ridiculous to

00:14:08.260 say when you're talking about joe biden he's yeah he's right he's not a moderate at all he was the

00:14:12.460 most progressive senator in the senate uh when he was running for president in 2008 or he was one or

00:14:18.580 two i can't remember if obama or him wasn't one or two bottom line though here is he's not a moderate

00:14:24.520 but for this for the purposes of this illustration you think of them as the moderate candidates well

00:14:29.700 you have biden up there going for the socialist side of it you've got bernie sanders and kamala

00:14:34.120 harris and elizabeth warren and uh jillibrand and o'rourke and booker did i say booker booker and uh

00:14:41.480 i mean castro and somewhat gabbard and inslee and i mean you could go down this list and find

00:14:48.420 you know what 17 of the 23 that are going for the socialist side of this you got to think that

00:14:53.660 only one of those is really going to be able to move through this primary and on the other side with

00:14:57.940 biden i guess you know probably klobuchar is in more in the moderate uh camp you have uh and then

00:15:04.200 the other everyone else's are low or low yeah they're hickenloopers and stuff you know bullocks

00:15:08.200 so i mean you get those really it's it's biden's to blow and joe biden is good at blowing you know

00:15:15.360 uh presidential races he's done it several times he could easily blow this so let me let me go back

00:15:20.660 to aoc you know who charlie munger is yeah he was uh he's warren buffett's number two right yeah okay so

00:15:27.340 um he was doing an interview on yahoo finance the interviewer hated donald trump and was trying to

00:15:33.920 bait him and and and everything else but i want you to listen uh to a couple of questions first

00:15:40.740 the debt the interviewer says some people say that you know there's no problem with debt listen

00:15:46.960 well some people now say that federal debt is not a problem at all well if you believe that you

00:15:53.440 believe in the tooth fairy because then we don't have to have any more taxes ever we'll just print money

00:15:58.240 and live happily ever after it obviously won't work the people that are screaming about it are idiots

00:16:03.860 it's gonna go away by itself okay so these are that this is something that aoc is advocating the

00:16:11.460 new monetary policies yeah modern monetary theory yeah modern modern monetary theory thank you um

00:16:17.000 and it is it really is you don't have to borrow money you just print money and you borrow it against

00:16:25.800 the future because if you print money you're going to spend that to create jobs and then it'll pay for

00:16:32.760 itself when those jobs start bringing in tax dollars it's it's fantasy land it's so it's keynesian in a

00:16:41.820 way but in in like a i just had 15 red bulls sort of way like it is really yeah and 25 jack daniels yes

00:16:49.280 yeah you gotta be a little so you're wide awake but you're like i i not now not not not now it is

00:16:55.520 really hyper and but i see things really really clearly right now i could be up for days i got so

00:17:02.040 many out of it is and i got it's a new modern theory of money and we can spend it spend it spend it

00:17:10.820 spend it and print print print print print print print that's what that's what this is it's a great

00:17:15.640 point too why bother taxing the rich or anybody else if you could just print it just why why just

00:17:20.740 turn the tax thing off completely because we've always known that it doesn't work now here he is

00:17:25.840 on um elizabeth warren and aoc listen to this they're kind of likable i particularly kind of like

00:17:32.240 elizabeth warren she's got a manner that appeals to me really but i don't agree with her

00:17:36.920 her attitude i don't think she's studied adam smith enough and what about aoc do you have any take

00:17:46.960 on her i don't think she knows who adam smith was oh that's pretty solid oh man and there's you know

00:17:59.880 it's funny there there were reports initially that early at her years at was it boston university that

00:18:06.020 she loved adam smith yeah that she was actually a conservative and by the way elizabeth warren was

00:18:10.620 a republican for a good chunk of her life uh people don't remember that either no she was also

00:18:16.520 running a casino well yeah she's a native american deeply with her native american words that's a good

00:18:22.440 point you know what are you gonna say about that all right back in uh just one minute i want to tell

00:18:28.400 you about this uh new cruise that we have put together uh it is a cruise through history this thing

00:18:34.920 is gonna sell out quickly i mean i cannot believe the numbers of people that have already signed up

00:18:41.260 we've only been talking about it for like three days um and this is a cruise of the mediterranean we

00:18:48.340 start i think in venice and croatia we go to where king's landing if you watch game of thrones

00:18:55.140 um uh the one the one that was in this episode oh the one beautiful behind the behind the castle gates

00:19:04.500 or the city gates yeah yeah that's croatia that's where we're that's where we'll be going that's

00:19:08.760 amazing oh it's amazing um and then we dragons there if we get when we go no hopefully not um and then

00:19:15.840 we go to uh to athens then to jerusalem or uh to israel bill o'reilly is going to be on this cruise

00:19:24.860 stew's going to be on this cruise david barton is going to be on this cruise uh i've asked rabbi

00:19:31.180 lapin to join us and the reason why i put this team together is they're all about history and so i

00:19:37.060 thought this would be a great thing where if you wanted to you don't have to listen to any of this

00:19:42.120 but they've got a big theater in in the ship and we'll do you know a few history lessons about

00:19:51.160 the enlightenment and the renaissance uh so you see the free market and what happens when man is

00:19:59.040 allowed to think and to dream uh then the republic with with athens uh and our faith and the roots of

00:20:08.380 our faith as we go to jerusalem so i thought it would be a really great way to just have a great

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00:20:22.120 spring bring your family if you can just come you and your spouse and join us just go to come sail

00:20:29.720 away.com come sail away.com again i'll be there bill o'reilly will be there and all of your favorites

00:20:36.260 and stew uh at come sail away.com that's come sail away.com 10 seconds station id

00:20:44.760 you know i want to um i want to go to rashida talib

00:21:02.600 blaming racist idiots for criticizing her holocaust remarks she was on with seth with seth myers listen

00:21:10.240 to this some have criticized the use of a calming feeling you have said that it was taken out of

00:21:15.000 context uh i want to give you a chance to provide some context yeah and it's you know so for folks

00:21:18.920 that don't know don't know i mean my grandmother my living grandmother my mom's mom lives in the west

00:21:23.540 bank and occupy territories of palestine and what's incredibly you know the tragedy of the holocaust i mean

00:21:28.880 the reason why israel was created was create a safe haven for jews around the world and there is

00:21:34.840 something like in many ways beautiful about that my ancestors many had died or had to give up their

00:21:41.120 livelihood their human dignity to provide a safe haven for for jews in our world and that is something

00:21:46.920 i wanted to recognize and kind of honor in some sort of way but i also think it's important because i

00:21:52.300 want palestine people also to find some sort of you know light in this kind of what's happening but

00:21:57.280 also you know in the end i said i want all of us to feel safe all of us deserve human dignity no

00:22:05.120 matter our backgrounds no matter ethnicity no matter even our political opinions we all need deserve that

00:22:09.880 kind of equality and justice and uh you know for me i wanted to uplift that and and bring that to light

00:22:15.160 and it was unfortunate you know i got a text message from a friend who's like hey next time you

00:22:19.760 know really clarify maybe talk like a fourth fourth grader because maybe the racist idiots would

00:22:24.420 understand you better um so it's just everyone else's fault again you know what's what's truly

00:22:32.340 amazing about this is she says she wants people to feel safe and she wants some justice out of this

00:22:39.660 well when you lose two wars and both times the the jews said hey um arabs do not go away we'll protect

00:22:50.420 you we're in this together more in just a second back all right i want to tell you a little bit

00:22:58.580 about gold line gold line has the uh new or very very old five dollar liberty coin this is a real piece

00:23:06.440 of history um this is from uh 1881 there's four of them here in this case um and it's a piece of

00:23:15.700 history for a reason 1881 these were printed at the you know the mother of of uh all of our mints

00:23:23.980 in philadelphia all the way out to the granite lady in in san francisco but this was a five dollar gold

00:23:31.200 piece it ain't worth five dollars anymore that shows the inflation rate but what i love about these

00:23:37.840 is these were the coins that people were allowed to keep these survived the fed gathering up all of

00:23:45.940 the gold coins if you had something from the 1800s you could you could keep it these coins survived the

00:23:55.100 last gold confiscation i believe they will survive any time any kind of takeover the next time god

00:24:02.440 forbid um these are the coins that i own you can get them right now uh at a special price at gold

00:24:09.660 line.com that's gold line.com 866 gold line welcome to the uh program so glad that you have

00:24:16.380 joined us um it is wednesday today right it is wednesday yes yes i have uh i i'm leaving uh on

00:24:24.260 vacation tomorrow after the show we've got a really special show lined up for you tomorrow some really

00:24:29.880 great interviews by the way we have great interviews today gad sad is uh joining us live uh in uh just a

00:24:36.020 little while on anti-semitism which is going to be really he's and he's he's really interesting on

00:24:40.160 that yeah he's really interesting as a incredible story he is the godfather of the intellectual dark

00:24:46.320 web um before there was an intellectual dark dark web there was gad sad in fact gad is the guy that uh

00:24:54.560 uh peterson called jordan peterson jordan peterson called and said um how do i do this what do i i

00:25:02.900 mean i gotta stand up how do i do it gad gad's the guy who guided him through all of it this was after

00:25:11.360 i took the initiative and created the internet is that what you're speaking of no it's really not but

00:25:18.740 thank you al gore and pat gray for uh joining us here uh we were just talking about aoc and uh and

00:25:25.200 and also rashida talib and the nonsense that they are spewing the history changing that they're doing

00:25:32.760 yeah the spin on it that her grandmother who lived in the west bank uh gave up her homeland to to somehow

00:25:39.860 protect the jews from the holocaust what a lie that is the jews went around with a truck and loudspeakers

00:25:46.400 and told the palestinians stay in your home we'll protect you we will protect you do not join

00:25:54.140 the the arab world now when the war broke out because when the partition happened in 1947

00:26:01.520 the u.n granted israel their state and they granted the palestinians their state people forget that or

00:26:08.540 they don't know that part of history because it's never talked about well and and the jews gave the

00:26:14.300 state back yeah they gave the first war they gave it back and in 1948 when all the arab nations got

00:26:22.400 together with palestinians and attacked israel um then when the war started some you know some of the

00:26:33.080 of the jewish commanders were like okay get them all out of here and then others were like no we will

00:26:38.260 protect you we'll stay even then some of them were telling them we stay if you want stay right protect

00:26:44.400 you and here's the the amazing thing is when she says you know a lot of palestinians died to give

00:26:52.000 their homeland no they died because they were on the wrong side against israel and and the palestinian

00:27:01.200 leadership was actually in league with hitler during the call of the holocaust you know i but other than

00:27:09.140 madness to try to spin that other than that she's exactly right i just gave a speech last night and

00:27:14.520 and uh i didn't realize that in this in the room that i gave the speech was uh there were there was a

00:27:20.960 holocaust survivor um and i was talking about how the the palestinians the the the grand mufti

00:27:30.260 actually had gone over meet with hitler and had come back with blueprints of auschwitz he wanted to

00:27:38.940 build auschwitz all over the middle east to liquidate all of the jews in the middle east

00:27:45.180 and um and i started talking about how you've got to stand up when it's easy because this is not

00:27:52.580 the time to stand up is when right now it's easy right now it's easy when it gets hard you're not

00:27:59.280 going to stand up if you're not standing up now you're not going to stand up and suddenly become

00:28:03.940 righteous um you're just not going to and this this survivor this holocaust survivor was in the crowd

00:28:11.600 people kept looking at her as i was speaking uh and she kept shaking her head like yep that's how it

00:28:18.620 happened that's how it happened wow i mean it was really pretty powerful we're there yeah we are

00:28:24.820 now i mean did you see the thing with um um bernie sanders new campaign manager i don't think so

00:28:32.700 listen to this you want to know who's controlling the dnc remember the dnc well it's aoc right

00:28:40.700 alexander ocasio-cortez is controlling the dnc well she she she is remember who did they want to have

00:28:47.140 as the head of the dnc and their donors pushed back so much think minnesota is it yeah keith ellison

00:28:57.260 yeah he was yeah keith ellison was going to be the guy only because of that me too movement uh did that

00:29:02.720 not happen really right because he wasn't that around the time when he was accused of yes but it

00:29:07.980 was also because some of the big jewish donors were like uh hello yeah um so that's who is you know i

00:29:15.880 think he's the number two guy um in the dnc now faiz shakir is the new campaign manager for bernie

00:29:24.540 sanders he was the vice president for communications of the center for american progress um he was the

00:29:32.360 liaison of the center of american progress for barack obama now remember think how radical they are

00:29:40.400 he then left to even a more radical group he was the founder and editor-in-chief of think progress

00:29:50.240 then he became the the senior advisor to harry reed and the senior advisor to nancy pelosi

00:29:58.080 then the national political director of the aclu now here's his background he's a muslim and he was

00:30:07.100 the member of the harvard islamic society affiliated with the muslim brotherhood and the muslim students

00:30:14.700 association in the united states and canada while he was at harvard he co-chaired the fundraisers for

00:30:21.960 the holy land foundation hmm does that sound familiar to anybody yeah unindicted co-conspirator

00:30:28.360 and the what which was the i think the holy land were the they were the the that was the indicted

00:30:34.920 they weren't oh yeah they were holy land yeah it was care that was the unindicted co-conspirator okay

00:30:40.480 um he co-authored fear inc and fear inc which claims that islamophobia is the product of a jewish

00:30:47.280 conspiracy um he has written positively about the tunisian muslim brotherhood islamist named

00:30:54.840 rashid gonachi i think his name is who's one of his quotes is there are no civilians in israel

00:31:03.900 the population male female female and children the population of israel they are the army reserve

00:31:11.000 soldiers and thus can be killed that's who's running bernie sanders campaign socialists and islamists

00:31:21.540 are working together for the destruction of the free market in the western world and israel

00:31:30.500 exactly what i laid out on the last chalkboard i did at fox for the last year that you were mocked for

00:31:37.400 oh yeah yeah yeah wow that's i mean that's that's who we're dealing with and then you look at the

00:31:45.280 um abortion stuff that's going on and how extreme they're becoming on abortion i'm really happy to

00:31:52.680 see some of the pushback uh from some of these states i don't think it's going to go anywhere

00:31:58.360 may go to the supreme court but i don't count the well that's what that's what alabama is trying to

00:32:02.700 force their they know that their new law uh which essentially is almost a total ban on abortion at

00:32:10.240 any stage so you can't get a an abortion for any reason other than the mother's life in danger

00:32:16.260 right and that passed 25 to 6 in the alabama senate so uh the pro-life governor her signature

00:32:24.400 is all that stands between uh alabama and and this new abortion ban so they know that it's going to

00:32:32.360 be challenged they know that it's conflicting with roe v wade and so then it would go to the u.s

00:32:36.380 supreme court which they're trying to they're trying to get that let's do that let's have that battle now

00:32:40.960 it's gotten so extreme when you're talking about allowing babies born alive to die or killing them

00:32:48.500 after they've been born alive um something has to happen and i i think that's you know what life

00:32:54.900 people into gear i would hope that because the left while i know what you just said is true

00:33:00.520 um the left continues to deny that that's what it is so i say we leave the baby in the womb

00:33:10.040 in our arguments because it's so easy for them to discredit and say nobody wants that that was

00:33:18.380 just the governor of virginia leave the baby in the womb five minutes before birth where they can

00:33:25.140 still kill them that's a baby in five minutes it's out yeah and it's fully viable it's fully it's fully

00:33:31.900 grown that's a baby you're still cool with killing it five minutes before its birth well you're saying

00:33:39.220 it's alive it's what you call a life right it's like right it's like this heartbeat bill can't

00:33:44.480 say its name yet yeah no so well they a lot of people do i mean we definitely had a name for our

00:33:50.180 baby but yeah but that's that's the baby couldn't say it that baby couldn't say it that's right um

00:33:54.520 but that baby can speak we could kill it right i just love how you guys are calling this a heartbeat

00:33:59.480 bill and it's like you know what you guys call heartbeat it's a it's what could be a drum

00:34:05.500 yeah you don't know you don't know it could be it could be um you know uh could be edm music

00:34:10.940 a metronome house maybe you're giving birth to a metronome right we don't know let me tell you

00:34:15.640 something i mean this sincerely you don't know because the media just just the the pro-life media

00:34:25.620 just hides this you don't where do you think the blue man group comes from they're birthed as a

00:34:32.460 group by women all the time so when you have that heartbeat no no those guys aren't human

00:34:39.180 yeah they're in there as a troop just a drumbeat just drumming and and and this sounds funny

00:34:45.840 right to say that you wouldn't call it a heartbeat right let me read this to you from the washington

00:34:51.100 post today on their coverage of the heartbeat bill 16 states have passed or are working to pass

00:34:56.440 bans on abortion after a doctor can detect what they call quote a fetal heartbeat in the womb and

00:35:03.640 quote oh my god what they call how can you spell it would it be a metronome what are you thinking

00:35:11.160 that thing is oh man legit in the article what they call a fetal heartbeat in the womb

00:35:16.920 wow this is like they are in straight out scientific denial here when they are put an ultrasound on a

00:35:24.480 woman and you do not hear that sound they declare the baby dead so what else could it possibly be and

00:35:34.280 how can something die that isn't alive right that i'm a little confused on as well you know what's

00:35:38.400 interesting though is that uh alabama is trying to force this issue to go to the supreme court i'm not

00:35:43.980 sure that's even a good idea right now because i'm really convinced the supreme court doesn't

00:35:48.980 overturn we're no john john roberts not roberts and kavanaugh both i don't have any confidence they

00:35:54.540 would do that kavanaugh at least there's a chance because it's early there's a chance there was no

00:35:59.960 freaking way john roberts who was so he's not gonna do it obamacare right with such reverence that he

00:36:05.700 didn't want to overturn it before he had even been implemented when it was clearly unconstitutional

00:36:10.980 he's gonna overturn a 40 some odd year president there's no there you know it's like there's no

00:36:15.600 way he's gonna do that here's the problem we have turned the supreme court into a legislative body

00:36:21.320 yep and that's not what it's for no we didn't hire these people we didn't vote for these people they

00:36:28.280 are not supposed to be a legislative body either direction they're not supposed to be voting with

00:36:34.780 the conservatives because that's the way the conservatives want it they're supposed to be

00:36:40.020 ruling on the constitution and it's supposed to be emotionless it is supposed to be based in law

00:36:47.660 not horse trading it's not even supposed to be based in precedent no which they use all the time

00:36:53.040 right that was a that was a progressive thing you don't do it on precedence it is a fever dream of the

00:37:00.160 left that they're going to overturn roe versus way with the supreme court i hate to disappoint people

00:37:03.860 but i mean kavanaugh i don't think is is but i will tell you this i like the fact that people and

00:37:08.760 states are taking oh yeah i love that absolutely yeah i mean it's it has to happen you have to

00:37:14.180 exercise that muscle of courage because times great and terrible times are coming they are yeah

00:37:22.520 we are living in biblical times and um and everything that we always read as kids i'm 55 you read stuff as

00:37:32.760 kids and you're like okay that's not gonna happen in my lifetime it's all happening it's all happening

00:37:38.840 exactly as described uh and if we don't exercise the muscle of courage now if you're not protecting

00:37:50.260 voices if you're not protecting rights if you're not standing up for people you disagree with

00:37:57.460 but their rights are going away your rights will be lost and when you speak out it'll be too late

00:38:05.820 you must exercise that muscle now thanks pat all right uh let me tell you a little bit about

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00:40:35.000 yesterday um to the story about that texas bartender who is facing a year in jail and i can't figure out

00:40:42.960 why honestly i think this woman was a hero on what she did um we have her attorney on maybe he can

00:40:50.120 explain what the heck is happening in the great state of texas on this that's next

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00:42:08.700 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenbeck program there is a story that we

00:42:17.120 brought you yesterday that i just don't even begin to understand happening here in the state of texas

00:42:22.740 texas of all places we all know that if a bartender serves somebody who is drunk and then they get into

00:42:29.660 a drunk driving thing that they're in trouble right we know that and that law was done so servers are not

00:42:38.240 you know pushing drinks on people and then pouring them into their car that law was not meant for

00:42:46.180 for lindsey glass somebody who served four drinks over four hours and then thought this person was drunk and so

00:42:57.640 left her job to go try to find him because he wouldn't stay and then tracked him to his house

00:43:05.700 and called 911 it ends up that he kills the members of his family she is now going to trial she may go to jail

00:43:19.080 for this i don't understand it her attorney is on with us in one minute

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00:45:07.520 i have got to speak my mind on this as stew did yesterday this

00:45:37.440 this is grave injustice as i see this we wanted to get lindsey glass's attorney scott palmer

00:45:45.140 on to see if he could explain what the heck is happening with with lindsey glass and why

00:45:52.360 she's possibly going to go to jail for a year for something that the even the police say

00:46:00.060 you saved lives welcome to the program scott palmer thank you nice to be on thank you so

00:46:08.660 can you can you tell me the story what are we missing in this story why are they pursuing this

00:46:14.240 i have no idea some cases should be prosecuted and some are just plain should never be this the idea

00:46:21.160 that this case should be the legacy of this horrible tragedy this is what we're talking about now

00:46:26.860 rather than the mental health and the domestic abuse and the fact that this is a premeditated

00:46:32.920 heinous crime that was going to happen regardless of where this man was drinking or not drinking

00:46:38.180 uh it just is it is an insult to the actual memories of these seven people that were killed

00:46:43.880 a couple things that i wanted to make sure that we're clear on she she did not know he was drunk

00:46:49.120 she did she served him alcohol as you said over a four hour period of time but the the idea that she

00:46:56.120 understood he was intoxicated is that that's the fact question that's the big issue that's something

00:47:00.580 we're going to fight she did understand and appreciate he was acting strangely right and she

00:47:06.060 knew him in some way or another he was a regular there but she served two hard liquor drinks and two

00:47:13.700 beers over a four hour period that i mean your body your body will will uh uh it's been a drink an

00:47:25.500 hour is what your body works your body will work through that how is she even responsible at all

00:47:31.160 well she she's not and that's why i mean the law is and i i heard your intro and in the dram shop

00:47:37.840 area where you sure over serve somebody and they get in a wreck an accident okay and then there's there's

00:47:43.480 liability under the civil law but and and the bar was sued by the lawyers that represented the uh the

00:47:50.600 families and i do those types of cases as well and i got to be honest with you if they came to me with

00:47:55.840 the theory that the bar is responsible for the death of these people when you've got a massive

00:48:00.720 proximate cause issue big just i mean you got an intentional act that was planned premeditated for

00:48:07.520 probably weeks he had a an armory in his in his apartment of thousands and thousands of rounds and

00:48:13.620 guns and he had been plotting this apparently for a while but to put liability on the bar or the

00:48:19.680 bartender for what he did it's just i can see why you're angry and why you're doing the story in this

00:48:25.740 why the the world has been you know attracted to the story it doesn't make any sense to prosecute her

00:48:31.860 there's no justice here there's no justice being done on this no i completely agree with you is it

00:48:38.600 all true that she left the bar first she tried to stop him right before leaving before he left she

00:48:45.360 tried to stop him they well they had a conversation they went outside and then she's like what's going

00:48:49.880 on you're not acting you're acting strange he was very veiled in what he was saying and she was

00:48:55.600 asking is this about meredith which is his ex or soon-to-be ex-wife and he's not it's nothing to do with

00:49:00.860 her and so he lied and apparently he's a master manipulator according to his ex-mother-in-law

00:49:06.720 um and he's a very adept drunk which means he is able to mask his intoxication people into

00:49:12.540 serving him which is exactly what happened here so she just got a bad vibe from him and he ends up

00:49:19.940 believing and she just did not feel right so she literally leaves the bar who who leaves their work

00:49:27.020 nobody uh and i think i i honestly scott i think lindsey is a hero yeah i i i really do

00:49:34.180 i i i she did something extraordinary she did and she left the bar and i understand that the house

00:49:40.960 that he went to was his ex-wife's house um and she has had moved on and lindsey thought that this uh

00:49:48.160 spencer had moved on to that conversation they were they were friendly they were best friends but

00:49:52.580 lindsey was supposed to be at the bar i met the house that night there was a cowboy i think they

00:49:56.800 were playing the falcons it was the first game of the year in 17 and uh but she was working she had

00:50:02.600 a bar full of people eight to ten people is with the video i haven't seen the video yet and she's

00:50:08.200 paying attention to a lot of folks including him but not enough meaningful time to you know observe him

00:50:13.980 his walk his you know and that's where a lot of the uh the probable cause that video is talking

00:50:19.020 about how he was walking and his mannerisms but how he how he's a bartender on a sports night

00:50:26.140 good heavens i mean this is ridiculous and she does call her bar manager and then they called the

00:50:33.700 owner and you know there were some text messages that they they quoted saying that you know she she

00:50:38.300 thought he was you know crazy or something and maybe he was crazy he was about to commit mass murder

00:50:42.300 that nobody knew but she leaves the bar literally leaves the bar and has a customer man and like

00:50:49.380 not serve anybody's like just hold the fort i've got to go extraordinary move on her part drives down

00:50:55.740 with her co i guess bartender who wasn't working that night came in off off the clock and she goes to

00:51:02.260 the uh the home of meredith and she sees this vehicle spencer's vehicle behind like in the alleyway we

00:51:08.420 have alleyways in texas and she freaks out and calls 9-1-1 immediately just has this premonition

00:51:15.000 that something bad is happening why is he here he's not supposed to be here what's going on and

00:51:19.600 she links up his bizarre behavior calls 9-1-1 and they tell her to leave get out of the way and then

00:51:26.280 eight minutes later seven people are dead but if he had she hadn't called 9-1-1 the swat team had

00:51:31.100 not been able to be out there when they did more people have been dead and and if i'm not mistaken scott

00:51:36.740 the other worker that she called initially wound up flagging down an officer as well

00:51:41.920 in this process so they tried to contact police at least twice during this situation

00:51:46.980 that's that's new information i have not heard that one but that that doesn't make it certainly

00:51:51.860 makes sense to reason that they were they were both in the moment and they were looking for help

00:51:57.100 they're just fearing the worst not knowing what he was going to do didn't even know what you know

00:52:01.940 who is the prosecuting attorney what is he thinking what was she supposed to do she did

00:52:09.080 more than anyone else would have done so here's the rub on this the plano police department

00:52:15.520 not tabc from what i understand the plano police department issued this warrant

00:52:20.860 and when they they typed up an affidavit three pages and went saw a municipal court judge who has

00:52:26.600 power to issue a warrant and they did this i believe unbeknownst and without conferring with

00:52:32.880 the collin county district attorney's office not nor well and you have to understand there was an

00:52:40.040 officer involved shooting they shot and killed spencer hyatt shortly after he he murdered these

00:52:45.120 people so there whenever you have an officer involved shooting there isn't usually grand jury is

00:52:50.680 convened and then there's an inquiry and of course the officer has to go to grand jury and be to be no

00:52:54.920 bill then that's what happened so there was a whole involved a huge involved investigation from

00:53:00.060 the plano police department maybe the texas rangers were involved and so all that happened you know in

00:53:04.580 17 and 18 so all of this all the evidence everything that was was presented to the grand jury was examined

00:53:11.380 by multiple investigators and lindsey was cooperative during this entire time they did the did the plano

00:53:17.520 police not commend her that night and say if it wasn't for you there would have been more dead

00:53:26.340 that's my understanding that they commended her they continued to commend her and understood

00:53:33.220 that she was having massive ptsd i believe they referred her to a therapist that is part of a

00:53:39.540 government grant that is you know that is touches and concerns the you know these victims of family

00:53:45.940 violence and things of that nature so she's been in therapy they know this they're aware of

00:53:50.300 everything and they do this on april 8th the very day that the civil lawsuit was dismissed voluntarily

00:53:57.520 by the plan of attorneys last last last question for you because i know you've got to run um you

00:54:04.080 in reading your history um you you have a lot of really positive results for your clients um but you

00:54:13.620 were also known as a uh you know entering into plea negotiations you're not going to plead this are

00:54:20.740 you uh i i i plan on never having this case darken the courthouse door this case has not been filed

00:54:27.700 i i've never i do i'm a trial lawyer i go to trial when when necessary of course we plea cases when

00:54:33.900 when it's the right thing to do and correct i understand that so no this this is if this gets

00:54:39.200 filed which i'm we are working with the da's office to to encourage them not to file this case

00:54:44.520 not accept the case from the plano police department that's the first step if it does get accepted which

00:54:49.260 i'll be surprised if they do accept it after the uproar uh that's been and and you're you're you're

00:54:55.160 the prevailing attitude across this country in the world because i'm getting emails from all over the

00:54:59.580 world in support of her uh is don't prosecute her so hopefully the collin county district attorney's

00:55:05.140 office is listening and i'm gonna my job and my associate's job is to to encourage them to not

00:55:10.080 take the case if the case is taken we will go to trial scott i tell you this stew and i take this

00:55:15.580 one um personally we are we moved to texas because there is common sense there is no common sense in

00:55:23.720 prosecuting this this woman she is she should be viewed i think as a hero um and if you will keep

00:55:31.740 us up to date anything we can do to help we will this is wrong it's great this is absolutely wrong

00:55:38.120 i agree with you 100 we will keep you up to date and hopefully give you some good news that the case

00:55:42.740 has been refused um we'll let you know great thank you very much scott appreciate it

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00:58:49.060 but at least i get to go to san fran and stone the out of some gays and the cops can't do anything

00:58:54.460 about it because california is a crypto caliphate the only part of islam i absolutely cannot get into

00:58:59.360 is the anti-jew stuff personally i just can't support any sort of animosity towards jews i wouldn't want

00:59:05.920 to be a nazi now would i

00:59:07.580 now

00:59:13.080 in our society everything she just said is unacceptable however the only speech that needs protecting

00:59:26.000 is the speech we disagree with i don't like this because she's taking on a religion she is being

00:59:35.640 disrespectful yada yada but she has a right to say these things she's clearly clearly an intelligent

00:59:44.640 uh person knowing about a caliphate well how many people knew about a caliphate when i was talking about

00:59:51.300 a caliphate i mean she's saying she's saying those words we don't know that i mean i i kind of you

00:59:56.380 look at the video and to me it just seems like it's stuff that's written uh for for them i don't

01:00:01.880 like i don't know who's reading a script right i mean she's definitely reading a script maybe i mean

01:00:06.000 it's possible she wrote it but i mean it doesn't seem i mean it doesn't seem like that to me which

01:00:10.960 is kind of the part of the the part of it that disturbs me a little bit it's like you're you know

01:00:14.480 are you putting your kid up on the to make this sort of commentary and and you're writing you know

01:00:20.280 writing have them use the f word a million times and talk about being raped i mean i i don't think

01:00:26.340 as as uh america's uh greatest parent uh i don't think i would go down that road i know i would i don't

01:00:33.640 think that that would be a good direction i would be saying to my son even if he wanted to do this or

01:00:38.300 my daughter i would be saying you're going to destroy your life don't do that it's not it's not

01:00:44.200 right yeah and you're going to destroy your life don't do it and a 14 year old certainly you know

01:00:50.980 as you may know glenn doesn't always listen to their daddy uh so we know that we could but the way the

01:00:57.500 the jokes are written it it just seems like it's some it's an adult writing them now here here she is

01:01:03.680 defending her videos listen apparently because there's 800 000 of you i'm burdened with the duty

01:01:09.660 of babysitting and indoctrinating you and i bear the social responsibility of treating you like cattle

01:01:15.600 who are such blubbering retards that they can't think for themselves let me put it in blunt terms

01:01:19.940 for you there's no such thing as the social responsibility of entertainers you for decades

01:01:24.900 now kids have been getting taught leftist public schools and none of you bat an eye but someone put

01:01:29.560 some videos up on youtube without any pretense and suddenly they're brainwashing people you could

01:01:34.100 beg me kicking and screaming to stop disseminating the ideas i believe in and it wouldn't make a

01:01:38.540 difference not only am i inoculated to that most of gen z is too millennials grew up with mtv and

01:01:45.560 nowadays they watch colbert we on the other hand grew up with the internet so we have no centralized

01:01:50.680 source of information that controls what we think and we filter out the truth for ourselves we're not lazy

01:01:55.680 no one is brainwashing kids kids are simply learning from having free access to information

01:02:00.420 and there's nothing you can do about it keep crying about how scared you are that we're being

01:02:04.400 weaponized for the upcoming crusades what are you gonna do tell me to watch contrapoints kill yourself

01:02:08.560 in any case i'm wondering why they're concerned with what i say instead of being concerned with

01:02:12.940 the parents who let their kids watch me but then again these are the same brainless that believe

01:02:16.980 it would benefit society if every mother would ship in an undocumented latino woman to take care of

01:02:22.140 her children while she works as a secretary calling us brainwashed won't do a thing when

01:02:26.160 we're kicking your ass in every metric wow society is just awful let's just turn it off

01:02:32.040 so now it's about time i'm what was that show there's a good on the usa i'm i'm kind of getting

01:02:37.600 on that so let's just let's just burn the whole thing down okay i'm ready i'm ready wait do we have

01:02:40.960 any x is there any is is is elysium a real thing can we go there there's a couple things if she is

01:02:47.160 this intelligent i mean i could have seen it wait a minute wait a minute ben shapiro ben shapiro we

01:02:54.820 knew him at that age yeah and he never would have done that nor would he do it today no never i'm not

01:03:00.400 saying that i'm saying she is making a at least a cogent argument it's not necessarily one i agree with

01:03:10.200 but she's making a cogent argument and it is a backlash this is the backlash that you will see

01:03:18.720 from the next generation because this generation says shut everything down the pendulum will swing

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01:04:55.340 tonight on blaze tv there is uh there's a book out new book called alchemy the dark art and curious

01:05:05.040 science of creating magic in brands business and life uh this has to me that i'm going on vacation

01:05:14.160 in a couple of days this is a book i'm going to be reading on vacation um because it talks about how

01:05:23.020 we are missing how people are feeling and i mean how do you get somebody to drink red bull

01:05:31.480 when it's horrible i mean it's horrible i've had one and stew gave it to me and it made me feel like

01:05:39.780 crap but it does not taste good it doesn't taste good it's awful it's almost the charm of it in some

01:05:45.720 weird way how i don't know how there's other competitors like the new monster rain stuff is

01:05:51.760 really good it tastes delicious so uh rory sutherland is um a an ad man uh he writes the spectators

01:06:00.940 wikiman column he also presents for the bbc radio 4 uh in uh in england his ted talks have you know

01:06:09.580 like seven million views and he is the author of alchemy and we welcome him to the program hi rory

01:06:16.840 how are you very good to be on thank you very much you bet um i'm fascinated um by what you've what

01:06:24.580 you've found and where we're headed give me some of the give me some of the highlights uh here first

01:06:31.800 let's start with red bull how do you get people to drink red bull when it tastes like garbage

01:06:37.260 well this is the strange thing you see if you sat down in a in a room with a lot of completely

01:06:43.340 rational people and you said we want to drink to compete with coca-cola the first thing they'd say

01:06:48.660 is okay your new drink has to taste nicer than coke uh it's got to cost less than coke and it should

01:06:54.200 come in a really big can so people get great value for money and yet weirdly the most successful

01:06:59.360 competitor for coke in financial terms has probably been this very expensive drink in a tiny can

01:07:05.380 that taste kind of horrible not kind of i drink it myself and i want to say this quite clearly i

01:07:11.120 really quite enjoy it and the reason is of course that i think everything in human perception is

01:07:16.400 affected not just by reality but by context and so if your promise is that your drink has kind of

01:07:23.700 medicinal or psychoactive powers the fact that it tastes weird isn't a disadvantage it's actually a kind

01:07:30.660 proof point an interesting case by the way is that diet coke as distinct from coke zero diet coke is

01:07:38.520 deliberately made to taste a little bit more bitter than ordinary coke simply because if there isn't a

01:07:43.860 small mental trade-off we don't believe it's a diet drink so does this this were these things planned

01:07:52.240 for instance did did the people uh at red bull did they did they instinctively know this or

01:08:01.340 scientifically know this that they had to make it taste like dog crap um interesting i think an awful

01:08:08.500 lot of uh successes in capitalism are partly accidental right um so you know i've always asked the question

01:08:16.160 you probably know that candy is put next to the till in in uh shops because the argument is that

01:08:22.320 children pester their parents to buy correct my hunch is that originally this didn't happen

01:08:28.240 to plan all that happened is people noticed that if you had candy next to the till you sold more candy

01:08:34.300 and it's a kind of evolutionary process in capitalism i think which is much more of free market capitalism

01:08:40.700 capitalism than we think is a process of discovering what it is people want we ourselves don't fully

01:08:47.320 know uh we don't have introspective access to uh all of our brains and all of our preferences

01:08:53.480 and so a very large part i think of of consumer capitalism is a process of experimentation and

01:08:59.820 selection a kind of darwinian thing and i think i mean one example i find fascinating is that google

01:09:06.580 now let's be absolutely honest google is a very good search engine i'm not claiming that it's

01:09:11.480 anything other than that right it however did a very clever psychological trick in the sense that

01:09:16.440 at the time everybody else was trying to be a portal they put sports scores they put weather

01:09:21.140 information they put breaking news and google just had a search bar and two buttons right now actually

01:09:28.280 psychologically that's very astute um because there's a known thing in psychology called the jack of

01:09:34.160 all trades heuristic which is that we tend to think that something that only does one thing

01:09:39.260 is going to be better at it than something that does multiple things you know i've i've often thought

01:09:43.620 i've often thought rory that that page also lends google credibility because you're not associating

01:09:51.400 it with anything other than information that you're looking for so i never see an ad that for something

01:09:58.660 that i like or don't like i never see a news story that i like or don't like it seems neutral even

01:10:06.200 though it's not no i agree with you i think the very simplicity of the thing is psychologically

01:10:11.340 brilliant however i think the reason for its simplicity isn't intentional it was simply that

01:10:18.460 larry page at the time wasn't very good at coding html and it was kind of the best

01:10:23.220 so quite often i think what happens dyson is an interesting case uh in terms of the vacuum cleaner

01:10:31.320 i think there that in terms of what makes a successful innovation we probably pay too much

01:10:38.280 credit to technology and too little to psychology in the case of dyson i think the magic comes from

01:10:43.940 the fact that the thing is transparent and you can actually see the dirt that you're removing from

01:10:48.880 your floor in the case of uber i think the brilliant psychological insight is simply that

01:10:54.200 waiting for a cab uh waiting for a taxi is inordinately less frustrating if you can see

01:11:00.260 where it is i and you know i had no idea that this came from a james bond film or what somebody

01:11:06.080 watching it can you explain the story of how this came about no so one of the co-founders of uber who

01:11:11.800 i think was canadian uh one afternoon was watching goldfinger and um uh in goldfinger if you remember

01:11:19.280 it uh there's this uh fascinating moment where bond i think is tracking him through the swiss alps

01:11:24.680 uh goldfinger is in a rolls royce which is made of gold in fact which is how he's smuggling gold out

01:11:30.660 of the country um and bond has to track him and there's a little map a moving map in the face here

01:11:38.120 of his aston martin db6 and on the map is a dot which enables him to follow goldfinger's car while

01:11:44.720 remaining out of sight and the fascinating thing there is that this guy this canadian guy watching

01:11:49.820 this something like 10 years ago looked at that and said that's how it should work when you order a

01:11:54.860 taxi wow that's brilliant a multi-billion dollar decision there you you absolutely you make the

01:12:01.760 case that we don't value things we are a society of things and you say we don't value things we value

01:12:10.840 their meaning yes i think that's i think that's absolutely true which is that economics is a rather

01:12:19.400 barren dismal discipline because it tries to treat everything as if it's a commodity it assumes we know

01:12:26.020 exactly what we want how much value we attach to it it assumes that we're making decisions in a world

01:12:31.160 of complete certainty now in truth um in between what something is and how we perceive it there is

01:12:42.140 a whole lot of noise going on there's the context in which we perceive it um something can seem

01:12:46.920 expensive or cheap by the way entirely dependent on what you compare it to um there's a famous example

01:12:54.420 that rolls-royce maserati stopped exhibiting their cars so heavily at car shows because

01:13:00.000 a four hundred thousand dollar car looks insanely expensive at a car show if you exhibit those

01:13:05.500 cars at yachts and aircraft shows everything changes if you've been looking at lear jets all

01:13:11.400 afternoon a four hundred thousand dollar car is effectively an impulse buy it's the candy

01:13:16.560 it's the candy of the cash register on your way out you say i'll have a couple of those while i'm here

01:13:22.860 yeah and so um i always i also cite nespresso as an example of this it's quite an expensive coffee if

01:13:30.340 you compare it to ground coffee it's a cheap coffee if you compare it to starbucks so rory i was um

01:13:37.700 i was against donald trump during the election um and i'm a conservative uh in in uh in radio here

01:13:47.320 and television in america but i was against him and i could not understand how my audience was flocking

01:13:54.940 to him until after the election uh and i started asking the question that i would have asked any of

01:14:04.060 my friends who were acting you know erratically and saying i believe in this but then i'm gonna go

01:14:10.920 vote for this um and i started asking the question what's happening in your life then i began to

01:14:20.460 understand how people felt and i know facts don't care about feelings but feelings especially now in

01:14:29.640 politics are playing the critical role it's how because people on both sides and i think all over

01:14:38.880 europe and in england with brexit there are those people in brexit that are racist but there are also

01:14:46.460 those who feel like they've been left behind not listened to they're losing their culture um and they

01:14:54.900 don't agree with what's going on but nobody's listening to them and i don't care what side you're on but

01:15:02.780 that is a big motivator i think all around the world right now are these people who feel

01:15:08.560 nobody's listening to me i don't matter and i think actually that that feeling of detachment

01:15:14.980 um what you might call the technocratic elites to use the standard term they are to blame for that

01:15:22.400 happening yes yes and it's partly the problem lies not necessarily in them being technocratic or in

01:15:28.820 being an elite it's that they're all technocratic in the same way and they're people who are very

01:15:34.440 similar in terms of their education quite often similar in terms of their background

01:15:38.160 and their capacity to understand someone whose life experience is different from their own

01:15:45.020 seems to me extraordinarily bad i would add to that i think the fact that trump is in many ways

01:15:50.800 a persuasive genius i think he's an instinctive you might expect this in the real estate industry

01:15:55.800 but he's an instinctive salesman of a remarkable kind um if you take something like we're going to

01:16:02.360 build a wall um that's concretization in other words what you say is you you actually take what

01:16:09.260 you're aiming for and you literally make it concrete in this case now if hillary wanted to

01:16:15.320 actually respond to people's concerns over immigration she'd say something like we're going

01:16:19.500 to hold constructive tripartite discussions with our mexican and canadian allies not the same thing

01:16:26.120 and so his ability i think to connect ironically for someone who's a billionaire with a private jet

01:16:31.840 um his ability to connect with a far wider tranche of people than hillary could i think he is

01:16:39.180 remarkable and fascinating i'm not entirely in favor of him either um although i'm probably more

01:16:44.860 forgiving than most europeans are yeah i also do welcome the fact that he's from a slightly different

01:16:50.360 mental mold at least because i do think the political cast essentially certainly on large number

01:16:56.520 of sort of both moral and economic questions they've come to all think the same way and i think you're

01:17:03.720 exactly right and i i've begun to understand him and even appreciate some of the things that uh he does

01:17:10.040 um i would love to have you back rory if or do you ever come to the united states uh quite frequently

01:17:16.480 as often as i can i would love to sit down and talk to you because i i'm i'm very concerned i'm a

01:17:21.920 i'm a i guess an anti-fan in some ways of edward bernay's um and we are entering a time now of

01:17:32.860 of these corporations you know for instance amazon uh they are so driven on data they say that when

01:17:40.500 they can predict us at 95 percent they're going to stop being really a uh a catalog online and more of

01:17:49.240 just a delivery service they're just going to be delivering stuff to us before we even order it

01:17:54.940 uh you look at this becomes on approval that amazon will correct preemptively send us things

01:18:00.320 correct occasion we'll send it back so there's we're entering this time between facebook google

01:18:06.320 amazon where i'm not sure that who's leading who advertising is going to change dramatically

01:18:16.680 and it concerns me and i'd love to have a conversation with you would you would you come

01:18:21.300 back i also think there's real scope for concern because what we tend to think of as impartial such

01:18:27.060 as choosing what to buy online or for example uh an algorithm online because it's numerical and

01:18:34.560 digital we tend to see it as being impartial and objective actually all those things carry with

01:18:40.320 them the prejudices of the people who the unconscious prejudices in many cases of the people who

01:18:45.240 design them yes we find it quite amusing in the uk because if you take google navigation

01:18:50.740 it gives you an option of traveling somewhere by public transport or you can make the same journey

01:18:57.140 by car now in europe if you live just outside london the logical way to get to central london is you

01:19:02.680 drive to a nearby railway station and then take the train into london google can't understand this

01:19:08.180 because it's too californian to understand the concept of driving somewhere and then catching a train

01:19:13.780 right so in lots and lots of cases the way in which things are designed carry with them a lot of

01:19:19.860 um unconscious assumptions about what a good decision is and it may not be true uh rory i i've got to let

01:19:27.700 you go but i really thank you and i hope that we can spend some more time together because i i think you

01:19:32.980 are um uh brilliant and on the the cutting edge of uh the future and and the consequences and what's

01:19:40.480 happening right now um rory sutherland and the name of the book is alchemy definitely a read that you

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01:21:30.000 peterson called up and said hey i i want to start saying some things how do i do it gad sad next

01:21:36.740 thank you so much hillary um freedom works um freedom works is working on something right now

01:21:47.000 because most people don't know that our own hhs secretary alex azar is helping the socialists by

01:21:54.580 trying to let foreign countries dictate the prices of our medicine here in the united states doing this

01:22:01.660 is going to lead to shortages of vital medicines it'll set back medical research decades it'll make

01:22:08.420 it harder for researchers to find cures for horrible diseases like alzheimer's and cancer and diabetes

01:22:14.780 when did we sign up for foreign countries you know setting our drug prices when did when did that happen

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01:22:28.900 understand what's happening with socialized medicine and stopping it in its tracks but boy this is going

01:22:34.360 to be a hard hard battle they are way ahead on the left they need your help at freedom works i would

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01:22:48.560 america first and fix patience not prices freedom works for me.com go there right now it's freedom

01:22:57.660 works for me.com all right coming up in uh just a few minutes i'm really excited to have gad sat on

01:23:03.840 yeah i was i was nervous the first time i talked to him really because you know he's a lot smarter

01:23:09.560 than you that's true i mean he is a lot smarter than me that goes without saying um but you know when

01:23:16.440 you meet somebody that you respect you don't know how it's gonna go you hate to have people you

01:23:22.720 really respect disappoint you and he has done the exact opposite he's an amazing amazing man who i just

01:23:30.900 i just love he's joining us next the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenbeck

01:23:40.600 program a new friend of mine gad sad is uh is in the holding uh pen right now he's about to come on

01:23:50.640 he is an evolutionary behavioral scientist basically he's a professor of marketing um he is

01:24:00.080 one of the greatest thinkers of our time in fact he's the guy that jordan peterson called

01:24:07.060 when jordan said i think i need to speak out because because gad sad had been speaking out and

01:24:14.780 speaking his mind for a very long time he is really they call him the gadfather but the godfather of

01:24:22.220 the intellectual dark web before it had a name he just naturally is that guy you are going to have a

01:24:31.780 wild ride if you've never heard him if you have heard him he's at his best gad sad joins us in one

01:24:42.120 minute this is the glenbeck program we should ask gad what we how we should market uh the x chair

01:24:52.040 stew that's a good point i guess we should have thought of this in advance he'd probably be like

01:24:57.880 you know what you shouldn't do is start an advertisement with a question about how you should

01:25:01.020 talk about it that's that's one thing he would probably recommend yeah yeah all we know is is

01:25:06.320 really comfortable and we sit in it and really enjoy it and when you're working at a home office

01:25:10.720 or you're sitting in a chair all day this is what probably say you should relate to the audience

01:25:16.400 okay yeah so have you ever sat in a chair and your butt falls asleep okay that's that's happened to

01:25:23.720 everyone it's happened to everybody your butt falls asleep and you're like my butt really doesn't

01:25:27.880 do that much all day why does it need to sleep more than i am i feel like it should be awake when

01:25:31.860 i need it to be awake it should be awake right now i'm working i'm sitting and it goes to sleep uh so

01:25:38.880 the one thing that's happened with the next year it's super super comfortable it is like a bed for

01:25:43.640 your butt but your butt doesn't go to sleep how's that what do you think oh i'm sure gad's gonna approve

01:25:48.780 that for sure yeah now that's that's caveman that's that's evolutionary thought right there

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01:26:56.680 good i'm a little offended you've never responded back to me how are you doctor how are you doctor

01:27:03.540 how are you doctor thank you very much i was just like i was just gonna say that it's quite befitting

01:27:09.460 that uh prior to my coming on you discuss but because i've been referred to as the ron jeremy

01:27:17.920 of evolutionary psychology so there's a reference for you really really that's uh fascinating um uh

01:27:25.740 so uh gad i i we just had rory sutherland on do you know who he is he wrote the book what do you think

01:27:32.220 of him i mean i don't know much of his work i i i know of some friends who speak very highly of him

01:27:38.460 and i think we follow each other on social media but i couldn't say more than that to be honest

01:27:43.200 okay he's got a new book out called uh alchemy and we were kind of talking about um the the way that

01:27:51.680 feelings are playing such a role now uh in in marketing and you know how i didn't understand

01:28:00.200 how people were voting for donald trump until i said what's happening in your life and then i then i

01:28:08.780 realized why people were so um strongly behind him they felt that they weren't being heard

01:28:17.940 nobody was listening the the political ruling class was doing the same thing over and over they'll tell

01:28:25.560 you one thing do another he was cut from a different cloth they knew that he was piggish uh but they

01:28:34.340 were they just wanted somebody that would break up this system uh and they thought he could do it and

01:28:42.560 and he was a wise enough businessman that he wouldn't destroy the country that was eye-opening to me

01:28:49.700 uh i mean i mean i think you're right on that of course feelings matter when it comes to marketing

01:28:55.780 products marketing politicians i think the danger is when we people think that feelings and thinking

01:29:02.760 are if you like antithetical to one another and that's not true we're both a thinking animal and a

01:29:07.580 feeling animal yes what matters is that you apply the correct system in the proper you know for the

01:29:15.540 proper decision so for example if i am selling uh perfumes then i need to trigger your hedonic

01:29:22.620 emotional system right i mean i don't i don't sell you a perfume by telling you here's what harvard

01:29:27.360 physiologists think of this chemical compound right i need i need to sell you fantasy so i show you a

01:29:33.200 gorgeous girl on a horse with her hair flowing on the other hand if i'm trying to sell you mutual funds

01:29:38.020 then i need to engage your cognitive system so it's not so much that we are either feelers or thinkers

01:29:43.600 it's that we need to apply the right system in the right condition oh but wait a minute if you're

01:29:48.600 selling me mutual funds um i would still contend because i think this is why conservatives lose the

01:29:54.620 battle uh i contend that the fastest way to a person's brain is through their heart and so you you

01:30:02.920 paint a picture of what people want to be they what they want to do what they want their life to be like

01:30:10.640 and then show them the facts that back up this is how we do it fair enough i mean all that you're

01:30:17.660 saying is that you could never either have a strictly cognitive appeal marketing appeal or a strictly

01:30:23.320 affective appeal and i certainly would concede that and i and i think that's true i mean all the way to

01:30:28.580 brain surgery i mean i my daughter is we're looking at having brain surgery for her and she's been having

01:30:34.780 testing you know like crazy over the last year and uh and it while i want a doctor to be able to

01:30:44.400 explain it and really be precise on exactly what he's going to do and i i need the i need the facts

01:30:52.980 on exactly what's happening i also want to feel from him that he is compassionate and understands this is

01:31:01.480 my daughter absolutely absolutely uh but speaking of physicians now in quebec they are trying they are

01:31:09.480 thinking of changing the medical school curriculum to no longer include grading because too many of the

01:31:18.600 students are getting high stress so i really want a physician who is handling life or death this

01:31:24.860 life or death decisions to to be sufficiently weak that they can't handle an a or a b grade i mean

01:31:32.580 imagine how much you're infantilizing people when even physicians now or physicians to be can no longer

01:31:39.360 handle the indignity of being graded it's insane i saw i saw a report about medical school where people

01:31:45.340 said that there were too many uh too many white people and too many uh men in it or something i can't

01:31:55.200 remember and they said we have to change that and i'm like no let's let's just get the qualified people

01:32:01.580 i don't care what color they are i want the most qualified person to be performing surgery so this is

01:32:09.740 what i call by the way so there's this whole movement of diversity inclusion and equity so i've

01:32:15.880 taken the three letters and created the acronym di it's the di religion right uh shared professorships

01:32:23.660 are now assigned as a function of whether you adhere to the di theology or not i mean imagine right

01:32:30.240 the highest level of excellence in academia is no longer determined by your accomplishments it's

01:32:36.840 determined by your sexual orientation whether you ovulate or not your skin color it's absolutely

01:32:43.180 insane and i truly wonder when it is that most academics are going to have the testicular fortitude

01:32:49.900 to wake up and start speaking out against this well i will tell you i think you guys in canada are way

01:32:55.580 ahead of us i mean i don't i don't honestly i don't know what it is in canada maybe it's because

01:33:00.780 you guys have to fight every step of the way and we have this you know strange belief that

01:33:06.660 our constitution will protect us and our bill of rights but it's not going to protect us because

01:33:11.440 we're not standing up for it um but canada the academics in in canada seem to be

01:33:18.320 being very vocal well certainly the the few canadian academics who are at the forefront of it yes

01:33:25.880 you're right but what i would love to see is the silent majority right i mean i as i've often

01:33:31.400 recounted i i get innumerable emails from fellow professors not just canadians from all over the

01:33:37.980 world saying hey i support you i really support you thank you for being you know an academic hero

01:33:42.300 but please please don't share publicly that i support you well therein lies the problem i know i mean if

01:33:48.040 you can't even have the courage to simply say that you support the guy who's fighting for your rights

01:33:54.620 then we we really have sunk into an abyss of cowardice that's difficult to come out of i just

01:33:59.620 gave a speech last night uh to a jewish and christian organization it was the um anniversary of

01:34:05.580 the establishment of israel yesterday and uh and little did i know a woman who survived the uh holocaust

01:34:13.960 was in the audience and i was talking about how you know how these things happen and they don't they

01:34:22.060 they don't they don't just they don't come as monsters they come first you know kind of wrapped

01:34:28.520 in goodness and justice and everything else and they they start with political correctness

01:34:34.700 and they train you not to feel comfortable to speak out until you are cowering behind your curtains in

01:34:42.860 your front room and you know if i open up those curtains they'll kill me if you don't speak out when

01:34:49.240 it's early you're not going to have the fortitude to to do anything later and we're in this point

01:34:58.160 we're at this flex point now where it's about to go really dark i think and if we don't start standing

01:35:05.700 up now i don't think we're going to make it the knee molar poem becomes true i i i completely agree with

01:35:13.660 you i just in preparation of of our chat since i i thought that we might be talking about anti-semitism

01:35:18.580 i pulled out some stats which i discussed in my forthcoming book so this is from a pew pew research

01:35:25.200 center survey on you know it's an unbiased organization non-partisan they do these you know

01:35:30.600 very exhaustive global surveys opinion of jews and select countries here it here are the stats for

01:35:38.540 unfavorable opinions of jews i'll just list four or five countries okay stop stop stop stop stop let me

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01:37:17.240 today is the anniversary of the embassy opening up in jerusalem the one year anniversary it seems like

01:37:42.200 it's been 15 years in some ways the one year anniversary um we have real problems with iran we have just

01:37:51.260 pulled our people out of iran from the embassy um i don't know what this means um i really don't know

01:38:00.480 what this means we could be going to war with iran and the world will change um and as always when

01:38:08.880 socialism is in vogue so is something else anti-semitism and anti-semitism is on the rampage

01:38:19.000 right now gad sad is with us you have some stats from around the world yeah i'll just give you two

01:38:25.920 quick stats so one is from pew research center here are the percentages of people polled in egypt

01:38:34.460 jordan lebanon and the palestinian territory so the neighbors of israel in terms of their unfavorability

01:38:42.160 scores towards the jews 95 97 98 and 97 i mean let that sink in 98 of people polled in my home country

01:38:54.520 of lebanon hate the jews what a surprise that we had to leave lebanon in 1975 so so wait wait wait so

01:39:02.560 so when you have somebody like rashida to leave come out and say that her grandmother

01:39:09.360 lost her land and many palestinians lost their lives so so the jews could have a homeland

01:39:18.580 what how do you process that this is uh this is what i call i don't know if we discussed this last

01:39:26.260 time that we chatted uh when i came down to dallas this is what i call the collective munchausen syndrome

01:39:31.160 right it's where you gain power by always feigning injury right or in this case you need to be the

01:39:39.460 victim right so she needs to always view the palestinians as the victims and so she constructs

01:39:46.940 a story now where she still remains or her ancestors remain the victims in the grand narrative and it's

01:39:53.400 it's delusional it is absolutely um not anywhere close to actual history and delusional

01:40:02.820 well and i'll give you i'll give you a personal anecdote so we were we were obviously forced to

01:40:08.340 leave lebanon at the start of the 75 1975 lebanese civil war after we left my parents kept returning to

01:40:17.600 lebanon until 1980 when they were kidnapped by fatah a palestinian you know terror group and they found

01:40:24.860 out that our own home in lebanon has now been taken over by palestinian refugees i don't construct today

01:40:32.280 a narrative that you know adheres to my you know you know uh political views i don't hold any ill will

01:40:39.460 towards all palestinians because this happened just be truthful and but she's incapable of being truthful

01:40:45.100 because she always has to create the narrative of the palestinians are the victims and the evil jews

01:40:53.560 are the oppressors you're an atheist gad i am do you believe in evil i do i do uh now i i don't think

01:41:04.460 that one needs to couch the language of you know you know the existence of evil in a theological construct

01:41:12.160 people are born with the random combination of genes that constitute originally their parents

01:41:18.980 and sometimes people are born tall or short or with a blue dot on their face or without a blue dot

01:41:24.420 on their face and similarly through random mutations some people are born for example serial killers are

01:41:31.120 born without the capacity to feel empathy that's not rooted in a theological construct it's just the

01:41:37.300 reality of the random combination of genes so is that but there's a i believe there is a force of evil

01:41:45.300 and you know i don't have to take it to satan or anything like that i can just take it to you know

01:41:51.420 you had these really sick people like uh hitler and goebbels and everybody else they were really

01:41:58.300 disturbed and they their force of will uh became um in infectious and it it spread and that evil force

01:42:12.160 that they had within them uh caught a lot of people up into it that that weren't necessarily evil they just

01:42:21.000 kind of were swept up in it right i mean the some of the most classic and best known

01:42:28.500 experiments in psychology so for example the milgram experiment uh maybe you might know it but if let me

01:42:34.980 just kind of briefly it's the yale experiment exactly the yale experiment well that came as a result of

01:42:41.140 many of the you know foot soldiers the nazi foot soldiers simply saying hey i'm not an evil guy i was just

01:42:46.840 kind of i was caught up in the moment and so what milgram wanted to do was test whether you know

01:42:52.900 there was there was truth to that whether i can take completely normal people put them in a condition

01:42:58.360 where i forced them to conform and then they would do some truly horrifying things and as he found out

01:43:03.520 he could get people without them knowing uh that this was a you know a made-up thing he could get

01:43:09.620 people to administer voltage to fellow students that would kill them simply through his authority

01:43:15.940 hey you agreed to participate in this experiment zap them and so so you're right uh not every single

01:43:22.560 nazi was an evil guy but certainly the ones who orchestrated it were um this is it goes back to and

01:43:29.580 you probably remember this book um i can't remember the name of it i'm looking for it on my ipad here the

01:43:35.500 um the book about the soldiers in um poland that were some of the best policemen

01:43:45.420 in poland not evil and how the germans turned them into just a massive killing machine

01:43:54.780 right and and how and how you do that and i'm i have to tell you with with the anti-semitism that's

01:44:02.240 going on with this new poll that we've talked about earlier this week where um about 40 percent

01:44:09.600 of the population looks at the other side as not human uh 20 percent of the democrats and 13 percent

01:44:19.520 of the republicans say that uh we'd be better off if there was some sort of a mass killing of the other

01:44:27.680 side we're headed towards some really frightening stuff we'll get your opinion on that and so much

01:44:34.300 more with dr gad sad professor at concordia university um and uh just a just a wise wise

01:44:43.860 guy the gad father if you will of the intellectual dark web uh gad sad in more in a minute

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01:46:11.100 so gad sad is with us uh he is the the godfather of the intellectual dark web and a friend and uh just

01:46:20.760 somebody i just really truly admire admire um because he is he is really truly open uh to learning

01:46:30.200 and that's our biggest problem is so many of us are set in our ways and we're like no it's not

01:46:36.080 look if somebody can prevent it can present me with new facts i'll change my mind um i just i just want

01:46:43.400 to see the facts uh behind it um gad we're we're talking about anti-semitism and and i want to kind

01:46:50.460 of broaden this a little bit to where we're headed in the world um because you really are you're a

01:46:57.960 behavioral scientist you're an evolutionary behavioral scientist you're an ad man if you will

01:47:03.380 um and have you read christopher browning's ordinary men i have not okay it's about the uh police

01:47:13.220 battalion uh i think 101 uh the polish police battalion and they were good guys and they none of them

01:47:23.720 wanted to kill jews and before you knew it they were the worst squad out there

01:47:30.520 and so in the 1960s they went back and they talked to these guys what happened how did this happen

01:47:37.180 and it's it's fascinating to see the psychological uh underpinnings on how you go from a good person to

01:47:47.660 a really evil person uh that was you know uh gladly participating in the holocaust over a short period of

01:47:56.860 time we have we have a system now that we're indoctrinating our kids with socialism anti-semitism

01:48:09.240 collectivism we have corporations that michael rechtenwald from nyu has said to me recently

01:48:18.960 it is they're not selling their soul they're not just hitching their star to

01:48:26.200 uh the band the current bandwagon by putting nike by putting uh kaepernick up they are actually

01:48:34.520 pushing for socialism because they believe that there is going to be a corporate united states of

01:48:42.420 america and these corporations that are so big up at the top are going to be able to really control

01:48:48.720 things we get into this place to where where does advertising uh when does it become evil

01:49:00.600 uh propaganda and and when is it just plain old advertising but we are coming to a place to where

01:49:09.940 it's going to be predicting us so much that it will seem totally natural for us to go oh i want to buy

01:49:18.920 that product but it's we're being manipulated well that incidentally i mean that's exactly why i love

01:49:25.680 i mean the scientific discipline of marketing because as i often remark life is marketing and marketing is

01:49:31.780 life so advertising in of itself is just a mechanism to to transmit information now that mechanism can be

01:49:39.580 used for nefarious purposes or it can be used to convince you that you should not lead a sedentary

01:49:45.460 life and stop smoking and stop eating french fries so so there's nothing inherently evil or good about

01:49:52.860 advertising it's really how you use it so in my case the way that i use uh you know some of my

01:49:59.180 marketing know-how is how can i construct messages that are appealing and that will uh sway people

01:50:07.460 to for example get engaged in the battle of ideas so it's not just about marketing of coca-cola and

01:50:13.620 uh starbucks we market ideas i mean if we are good academics we should also be in the business of

01:50:20.520 packaging and selling good ideas so it is in that sense that i use my marketing know-how in selling good

01:50:27.480 ideas and killing bad ones so how are we because i don't hear anybody with a good marketing campaign

01:50:36.040 on the free market i don't hear anybody that's that's presenting that in a way that seems relevant

01:50:43.740 uh or uh or winning well i think i think the reason for that is that the the public discourse

01:50:51.180 is really carried out at such a banal and trivial level right we're still talking about should we be

01:50:58.720 uh uh getting donald trump jr to to you know to to testify and so on rather than talking exactly

01:51:06.600 about the issues that you're talking about i mean is the death penalty a good thing for a civilized

01:51:10.960 society or not what are your views on abortion uh should what should be our proper fiscal policy

01:51:16.180 our monetary policy our foreign policy most people don't want to talk about these things they'd rather

01:51:22.020 engage in gossip even in the context of the political arena and so our discourse is really at

01:51:27.880 the level of a five-year-old rather than elevating it to to that of you know well-thinking adults so how

01:51:33.760 do we get people there we get them to read my books and consume my material that's how we

01:51:39.200 no but really what you what you do is that you you maintain a a discipline of as you said earlier

01:51:48.120 always wanting to learn right i mean one of the things that happens to me whenever we're about to

01:51:52.500 go on vacation with the family is i go through this process in my personal library where i'm in

01:51:58.500 utter panic because i've got three four hundred books that i've yet to read and the question becomes

01:52:03.780 which book am i bringing i know it's sophie's choice i'm doing it today myself i'm going

01:52:09.160 on vacation tomorrow now why is it that you and i are sitting there you know torturing ourselves

01:52:14.360 over this because we are hungry for knowledge so i think if we can get people to you know listen

01:52:19.260 less to ariana grande and worry less about justin bieber and about you know whatever you know mental

01:52:25.120 chips people consume every day uh and elevate the conversation i'm not sure there is a panacea there's

01:52:31.500 a magic pill but uh but but see here's the problem um i remember back in the 90s being so clear

01:52:39.060 and every conservative i know i will never give my fingerprint to the government that's outrageous

01:52:45.000 i won't get facial recognition that's got to be stopped really we're giving our fingerprint to apple

01:52:53.760 and facial recognition gladly the the power of brave new world is so strong that even when people

01:53:04.920 know this is destructive behavior this social media thing that i'm hooked to it's destructive they will

01:53:13.100 not get rid of it you know you know it's and that speaks exactly to the point that people engage in bad

01:53:20.720 behavior not necessarily because they don't know the consequences right this is sort of a classic

01:53:26.340 intervention strategy oh if you want to get people to stop smoking explain to them that smoking is bad

01:53:32.640 for them but i mean which person alive today doesn't know that smoking is not good for you right

01:53:37.840 right here's a great story uh i had a physician once that i went to see i was suffering from bronchitis

01:53:43.880 and i used to suffer from asthma i went to see him because i was suffering from bronchitis

01:53:48.740 he was chain smoking in the consultation room so i asked him hey hey doc do you think it's reasonable

01:53:56.380 for you to be and he just laughed it off and said ah don't worry about it now

01:53:59.940 the disposition not know that it was inappropriate not only to be smoking in front of me but to be

01:54:05.280 smoking for his own lungs of course he knew so it's so it's much more than simply providing people

01:54:11.140 with information it's providing people with information that is actionable let me if i can

01:54:16.500 just give you one quick example using the smoking example uh young men who heavily smoke are the ones

01:54:23.420 most likely to suffer from erectile dysfunction young men usually don't suffer from erectile dysfunction

01:54:27.760 but if they are heavy smoker they are much higher risk to suffer from erectile dysfunction

01:54:32.780 if i want to stop a young man from smoking telling him that he might develop lung cancer or

01:54:39.120 you know heart disease when he is 75 is not going to catch his attention telling him that he won't be

01:54:45.800 able to perform tonight with the gorgeous girl will it doesn't take a fancy evolutionary psychologist

01:54:50.980 to understand that point so it's not so much providing people with information

01:54:54.760 but it's about providing them with the right information however when the pleasure is so great

01:55:01.200 and this is one thing i'm very concerned about when the pleasure or the reward is so great

01:55:07.320 um and it's not real life for instance you can say you know look you playing these uh video games or

01:55:17.580 or or engaging with pornography um it it it's like heroin it's going to rewire your brain and you

01:55:28.440 studies will show that you will have a much less fulfilling sex life in real life if you're doing these

01:55:37.620 things online they don't really care all right well listen the one who crashed that mystery will be

01:55:46.440 booking themselves a ticket to stockholm to pick up the nova prize i mean that that's that really is

01:55:51.840 very much the type of stuff that i do right how can i get people to engage in some action uh using some

01:55:59.400 appropriate persuasion technique what we absolutely know to repeat it's not simply the fact that people

01:56:06.140 do bad things because they don't know any better so for example when it comes to sun tanning women are

01:56:12.380 much more aware of the deleterious consequences of sun tanning yet they do it much more than men

01:56:17.540 so it's not about not having the proper information it's giving them the correct information

01:56:22.280 kid what is your uh feeling on uh on uh edward renee's

01:56:28.580 i think we briefly mentioned him last when i was on your uh long podcast

01:56:34.580 uh i think so uh this is the propaganda guy correct yeah yeah oh you that's right you hadn't

01:56:41.500 really looked at that video exactly i haven't read and i remember someone i think even wrote on your

01:56:47.240 in your comment section what he's a professor of marketing and he hasn't delved into this

01:56:51.760 so maybe i really need to get into this guy right yeah you should you should i'd be fascinated to hear

01:56:57.340 what you think because he's you know he's the reason we have eggs and bacon for breakfast um

01:57:03.720 uh and he was not an ad guy he was he was the father of propaganda he won uh world war one

01:57:11.640 uh for the west uh and and goebbels said it was because he learned from him that the germans did as

01:57:20.820 well as as they did um and i'd i'd be interested in in hearing your your take on on him because

01:57:28.620 we are we're we're we're entering a new world where we're easily manipulated by these giant

01:57:40.420 companies without our knowledge at all and i don't hear anybody talking about this um in in any real

01:57:49.460 terms they'll talk about it as you know fake news etc but that's that's not what that's not the only

01:57:56.300 concern the concern is what these companies are doing with advertising how they're using their

01:58:02.620 their analytics uh and their algorithms to cater directly to us uh and and sell us things that

01:58:12.660 we're just going to find absolutely reasonable and incidentally one of the best ways to get people

01:58:21.760 to become if you like lifelong consumers loyal brand loyal consumers is to get to them when they

01:58:28.960 are very young where they don't get yes cognitive and emotional apparatus to build counter argument

01:58:35.000 against you i mean this is why we have laws that you're not supposed to directly target children you

01:58:40.160 know below a certain age and yet when it comes to forgive me for saying this i know that you are a man

01:58:44.900 a faith when it comes to religion well straight out of the womb i could be selling my product in this

01:58:51.700 case my religious belief to my child and so what do you think is going to happen how likely is my child

01:58:56.880 ever going to develop his own thinking about this particular issue when i am advertising to him straight

01:59:03.740 from the out of the womb but this doesn't only apply to religion now when it comes for example to

01:59:08.240 trans activism now in in you know in grade one we're starting to talk about you know gender fluidity

01:59:14.600 well why is it i mean how come throughout history we haven't had to have that conversation but suddenly

01:59:20.100 now we need to be having these conversations about two-spirited people and gender neutral people

01:59:25.220 when the kids are five years old really well i will tell you gad when it comes to religion and i know

01:59:32.060 you and i disagree on religion and and and i think our disagreement is healthy um but uh uh my son came

01:59:39.380 to me oh six months or so ago and said and he was very nervous and he said uh dad i don't i don't know

01:59:47.920 if i believe in god and i said great and it took him by surprise and and he said what and i said son

01:59:58.020 you shouldn't believe in god because i do i i want you to do your own homework if you find that there

02:00:05.340 is a god great but i'm going to ask you to tell me why you believe that if you decide there is no god

02:00:12.840 i'm going to ask you to tell me why you believe that this is your journey not mine and i think your

02:00:19.960 position is so commendable wow that's brilliant plan that's fantastic i think i but i i don't think i'm

02:00:25.620 alone in that i i hope i'm not i don't think i'm alone in that i think maybe you should have had

02:00:30.100 a conversation with my parents in 1972 you know it's 1972 you should have talked to my parents too

02:00:35.540 so um gad said thank you so much god bless you and and or not you know a universe bless you

02:00:43.780 i think you meant gad gad gad gad bless you yes thank you so much gad said uh you can follow him

02:00:50.480 on uh twitter you can follow him on youtube make sure you you uh look him up because he is he is just

02:00:58.700 truly fascinating uh and you'll learn a lot whether you agree with him or not you will learn a lot

02:01:04.840 from gad sad that's s-a-a-d gad sad

02:01:09.660 you're in constant pain you are not alone and i know because uh i've been in constant pain uh i've

02:01:23.240 been well right now um my arms are uh completely numb and uh i love that i love that it's fantastic

02:01:32.120 better than when they're just shooting pain um i don't have the the pain and the fatigue from the

02:01:41.800 pain that i was having over a year ago um because i take relief factor i didn't think this would work

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 15, 2019

It's Already Happening？｜ Guests： Rory Sutherland & Dr. Gad Saad ｜ 5⧸15⧸19

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