The Glenn Beck Program - It's Just Best To Move On？｜ Guest： Andy McCarthy

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00:00:08.560 He doesn't care because he says he's sick, and I don't believe it, but I mean, you know, look, we're going to launch a Mueller investigation to find out what the truth is.

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00:01:41.820 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:43.640 Ah, you see, the arguments go down one by one, don't they?

00:01:48.200 The goalposts get moved, and that's always, always vital.

00:01:53.200 It's going to happen every single time.

00:01:54.660 You know, it was all about collusion.

00:01:55.940 There's two parts of the Mueller report yesterday.

00:01:58.000 Now there's kind of one part.

00:01:59.620 The collusion thing, we never really were focused on that.

00:02:02.600 We're really much more focused on obstruction of justice.

00:02:05.380 We'll get to all of that today.

00:02:06.880 We were told that Barr was going to redact too much information.

00:02:10.520 And then we find out he only redacted about 10% of the report, which was much lower than

00:02:15.160 most people thought.

00:02:16.480 So that, that argument, that one's gone too.

00:02:19.560 And he, executive privilege, they're going to use executive privilege.

00:02:24.000 Trump didn't use any executive privilege on the report.

00:02:27.900 All those arguments come, and then they go.

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00:02:33.120 We'll get to those here in one minute.

00:02:34.960 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:04:29.520 So the spectacle of the Mueller report happened yesterday, and what a spectacle it was.

00:04:46.920 Very proud of the way our nation handled this whole last couple of years.

00:04:50.940 It's worked out very well.

00:04:52.080 We had the big reveal with the press conference with Barr yesterday.

00:04:55.960 Then he put the Mueller report onto CDs, and then it was transferred to cassettes for the congressman to listen on their Walkman.

00:05:06.060 Then each congressman's individual beeper would go off, and that would indicate that the floppy disk copies were ready.

00:05:14.580 And once the floppy disk copies were ready, they were uploaded via 5600-baud modem via America Online to make sure they could get onto the interwebs.

00:05:26.880 And finally, the technologically advanced congressman could read the entire thing on their Palm Pilots, which is pretty great.

00:05:37.420 It really worked out well, and it wasn't an embarrassing procedure at all.

00:05:41.200 This is an incredible kind of thing, because you had two parts of this.

00:05:45.800 Part one, collusion.

00:05:47.920 You're not hearing much about that.

00:05:49.640 There's a couple things in there that the left is trying to hang on to.

00:05:53.860 There's a couple of incidents here and there where they're trying to make it seem as if there was something there.

00:06:01.320 Some of it is just interesting to see what the Russians attempted to do.

00:06:06.180 Some of it you can kind of see an inexperienced campaign, maybe not handling things the right way.

00:06:12.240 Maybe they should have just gone to the FBI with some of these things.

00:06:15.060 Whether they realized them or not, I mean, Mueller quite clearly says there was no intent to do anything wrong here.

00:06:21.420 There was no intent to collude with Russians, which is, again, the title of the report, which you'd never guess.

00:06:28.780 Is the title of the report, how do we figure out if Trump screwed up?

00:06:32.520 Is the title of the report, hey, you know who's awful is Donald Trump?

00:06:37.820 How do we figure out how to get him out of office?

00:06:40.080 Stunningly, that's not the title of the report.

00:06:41.960 The report is, Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 presidential election.

00:06:48.300 And we found that.

00:06:50.060 We have a lot of examples of it.

00:06:51.380 We're going to go through some of those and also some crazy historical examples of when Russia actually did do this.

00:06:57.760 And they were caught.

00:06:59.380 And it's incredible.

00:07:00.980 And they've been doing it the entire time.

00:07:02.260 They've spent billions and billions of dollars.

00:07:04.840 The estimate is in 1980.

00:07:07.800 So go back to the Soviet Union.

00:07:09.020 In 1980, they were spending $3 billion on these practices.

00:07:13.200 Back then, I mean, there's been some inflation since then.

00:07:17.400 Not to mention, it's a lot easier to do these things now.

00:07:20.880 You don't have to spend $3 billion.

00:07:22.260 You can spend a lot less.

00:07:23.460 But they were trying to influence the election.

00:07:25.300 The Mueller report captured that very well in multiple documents.

00:07:27.760 Really, the interesting stuff on that part of the investigation came in the indictments of the 25 Russians.

00:07:33.300 That came out earlier.

00:07:34.400 But this turns now into a political issue.

00:07:38.040 Because you have the collusion thing, which is pretty much dead.

00:07:41.240 But you have the obstruction thing, which they're going to try to keep alive.

00:07:44.460 They're going to try to get as much fuel out of this as possible.

00:07:46.480 And they have this difficult line to walk as Democrats because they have this realization that they want to impeach Donald Trump very badly.

00:07:57.820 They want to remove Donald Trump from office very badly.

00:08:01.160 They realize no matter how badly they want that, they don't have enough to actually achieve it.

00:08:09.220 And the reason they don't have enough to achieve it is the Mueller report quite clearly does not even think obstruction of justice rises to these levels.

00:08:18.660 They didn't exonerate him, but they didn't convict him.

00:08:21.000 They're in the middle there.

00:08:22.140 And we'll get into that a little bit.

00:08:23.260 Andy McCarthy is going to be joining us later, and he's got the legal background to be able to kind of break this down for us.

00:08:33.680 But basically, you look at this and you say he kind of fell in the middle, and it's not a good place for the Mueller report to land.

00:08:40.600 And we'll get into that a little bit later on.

00:08:43.420 But the Democrats now have to figure out politically what they're going to do with this.

00:08:47.440 And you know what they want so badly if they could just get it.

00:08:53.260 It is impeachment.

00:08:55.740 And people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are not going to be able to hold themselves back.

00:09:00.160 The problem here is you're not going to be able to get it through the Senate, even if you wanted to.

00:09:03.800 So you might be able to impeach Trump in the House.

00:09:06.680 It's going to go to the Senate.

00:09:07.500 It's going to fail in the Senate.

00:09:09.000 It's going to become very unpopular.

00:09:10.740 And it's the type of thing that could derail their entire campaign.

00:09:15.820 There is a sect of the Democratic Party that understands this, right?

00:09:20.500 The Nancy Pelosi's of the world, you know, she's got a million flaws.

00:09:25.160 And she tries to cover most of them with Botox.

00:09:27.520 But a lot of them still exist.

00:09:29.540 And the idea that she can come out and understand the fact that this would be unpopular and probably hurt their electoral chances in 2020.

00:09:37.140 She's on that bandwagon.

00:09:40.620 But you have the Ilhan Omar's.

00:09:42.140 You have the Rashida Tlaib's.

00:09:43.740 You have the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:09:46.920 You have all of them who are going to come in here and say, I don't care if it's good electorally.

00:09:51.280 I want to kill.

00:09:52.180 I want to go after him anyway.

00:09:53.920 Just like they wanted to kill the Amazon jobs, right?

00:09:56.120 Like that's not a good position for anybody.

00:09:57.980 People in New York believed that Amazon coming to New York City was a great thing.

00:10:04.440 And she helped kill the Amazon deal because she doesn't care about that.

00:10:12.000 You know, she's in a safe district.

00:10:14.240 As Nancy Pelosi correctly pointed out, a cup of water could run in that district and win.

00:10:19.500 So there's no risk there.

00:10:21.520 What they want is impeachment badly.

00:10:24.180 And you know what they're going to do?

00:10:25.080 They're going to come as close to it as possible without actually doing it.

00:10:31.720 This is what they want.

00:10:32.720 It's like if you are told, the thing you can't do is eat this box of donuts.

00:10:39.720 But you really, really want this box of donuts.

00:10:45.880 You know you can't have them.

00:10:47.780 You know you can't eat them.

00:10:49.220 But you got the giant box of donuts.

00:10:51.680 There's 12 of them in there.

00:10:52.660 They're perfectly glazed.

00:10:54.140 You know what it looks like when someone opens a box of the Krispy Kreme and they just look perfect and you just want to eat all of them.

00:11:00.380 And many times you do.

00:11:01.840 But in this instance, you can't.

00:11:04.740 So what are they going to do?

00:11:05.960 They're going to get in their car.

00:11:07.560 They're going to drive to Krispy Kreme.

00:11:09.380 They're going to go through the drive-thru.

00:11:11.380 They're going to buy the donuts.

00:11:12.960 They're going to bring them back home.

00:11:15.000 They're going to open the box.

00:11:17.120 They're going to look longingly at this box of donuts.

00:11:21.100 They're going to sniff each individual donut.

00:11:26.340 They are going to lick the outside of the glaze of the donuts.

00:11:32.240 They are going to nibble at the edge of the donuts just to get a little taste.

00:11:39.080 They're going to shake the box and then they're going to take their finger and lick it and they're going to slide it around the bottom of the box and pick up all the excess glaze and they're going to taste the excess glaze.

00:11:49.180 They're going to take a bite of the donut.

00:11:53.260 They're going to chew the donut and then they're going to spit it out.

00:11:57.880 What they want the American people to come away with here is that, number one, they absolutely could impeach this president because of the terrible things he's done.

00:12:08.140 And number two, we're just, you know what, it's time for voters to decide.

00:12:14.640 We're so close to the election and we have plenty to get him out of office, but it would be an extended process and we know those Republicans, we know what they would say.

00:12:25.100 So we're going to get really close to these donuts that we want.

00:12:28.400 We might even, might even get into the bathtub naked and cover ourselves in donuts, but the one thing we're not going to do is eat all the donuts.

00:12:35.740 We're going to stay just outside of that area.

00:12:40.700 The one thing we're not going to do is consume the donuts.

00:12:42.940 And if they do decide to eat the box of donuts, in this case impeachment, that is when, you know, they get fat, right?

00:12:49.560 This is when they, they are going to pay a price with the American people because the American people see this for what it is.

00:12:57.440 If it was a criminal action, they would support impeachment.

00:13:02.020 If they caught Donald Trump, you know, texting and saying, you know what, Vlad, honestly, like, can you just come over here and, you know, give me a flash drive.

00:13:10.500 I'll plug it into the, to the digital voting machine myself.

00:13:13.800 We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll win this election.

00:13:15.400 If they had that, if they had something that convinced the American people, they, the American people would come along.

00:13:22.060 I mean, there were, we are pretty much in our silos here and most people didn't, are not going to change their mind because of the Mueller report, but they're really not going to change their mind because of this Mueller report, because of the fact that there's nothing there that's overwhelming or, or convincing.

00:13:35.660 We know that there is, there were some actions that were taken by the Trump administration that I think in retrospect, they probably would have done differently.

00:13:43.580 And we were going to go through a lot of those today, but the way the press is handling this is just utterly insane.

00:13:50.780 There's a story in the New York times about this today and the lines they draw and the way, the way they cover this is incredible.

00:14:02.140 And also exactly what you would expect.

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00:15:48.460 So, Robert Mueller releases this report and the New York Times gets to work.

00:15:52.940 And this is, it was interesting to see how everyone covered this.

00:15:55.700 Everyone jumped into like the mode of this is the biggest breaking news story of all time.

00:16:00.460 And obviously it's very, it's very, it's been on the top of the news cycle for a long time.

00:16:05.040 I expect them to cover it.

00:16:06.620 A lot of resources expended here to do this all in one day.

00:16:09.600 The story comes out today that the Mueller, Mueller reveals Trump's efforts to thwart Russian inquiry and highly anticipated report.

00:16:17.960 It goes through some of the basics here.

00:16:20.140 Mueller laid out how his team of prosecutors wrestled with whether Trump's actions added up to criminal obstruction of justice offenses.

00:16:27.200 They ultimately chose not to charge Mr. Trump, citing numerous legal and factual constraints, but pointedly declined to exonerate him and suggested that it might be the role of Congress to settle the matter.

00:16:40.080 I like the phrasing there.

00:16:41.600 When you don't have the information to convict someone, you could say they didn't do it.

00:16:49.500 You could say, look, maybe they did it, but we don't have enough evidence to show that they did it.

00:16:53.940 The New York Times calls it factual constraints.

00:17:00.320 Factual constraints?

00:17:01.600 What is the, I mean, there are some parts of this that are talking about how, okay, it's the president of the United States.

00:17:07.700 There are different considerations here.

00:17:09.040 Obviously, he has constitutional power to do a lot of these things.

00:17:13.060 And so, if he has constitutional power to do them, well, I mean, is it a crime?

00:17:17.680 Could it be a crime?

00:17:19.440 But no, they say factual constraints were one of the issues.

00:17:23.400 Then they say this, and I love the wording of this.

00:17:26.360 Every once in a while, one word makes the difference.

00:17:29.200 You know?

00:17:30.900 The difference between like and love is really significant, isn't it?

00:17:35.460 I like you, honey.

00:17:37.640 I love you, honey.

00:17:38.560 Those are two big, different things.

00:17:40.160 They make a big difference in the way you say them.

00:17:42.420 And that's the case here.

00:17:44.620 The report laid bare that Mr. Trump was elected with the help of a foreign power.

00:17:49.460 Now, that is, that's a pretty amazing statement, isn't it?

00:17:54.620 And the actual answer to that question is no.

00:17:58.460 It's not an amazing statement at all.

00:18:00.940 Listen to it very carefully.

00:18:02.200 The report laid bare that Mr. Trump was elected with the help of a foreign power.

00:18:08.360 They're not saying he was elected because of the help of a foreign power.

00:18:14.000 They're saying he was elected with the help of a foreign power.

00:18:17.820 Now, we do know that Trump posted a lot of, or the Russia posted a lot of social media thing, campaigns.

00:18:24.620 They did obviously go after Hillary's emails.

00:18:27.140 They did things believing that their interactions with the Trump administration would be better than their interactions with the Clinton administration.

00:18:34.740 And they go through a lot of the details here.

00:18:36.820 And this is not something that is new.

00:18:38.260 It's been out there for a very long time.

00:18:40.400 It wasn't exclusively to help Trump, their efforts, by any means.

00:18:43.660 There was a lot of efforts on both sides just to cause chaos.

00:18:47.480 But some of the things they did, you know, theoretically could have helped Donald Trump.

00:18:51.400 They're not making the case that these actions did help Donald Trump.

00:18:55.100 They're saying he was elected with the help of a foreign government.

00:18:59.020 It's like saying the Golden State Warriors won the NBA championship with the help of the fan in Section 342, Roe W, Seat 11.

00:19:07.860 Right?

00:19:08.020 Like, yeah, that guy was clapping pretty loud, but that didn't make the difference.

00:19:13.420 It was Kevin Durant nailing those threes.

00:19:15.580 Right?

00:19:15.760 It's Steph Curry pulling up on a fast break and making shots.

00:19:18.720 And it had nothing to do with the clapping in Section 342.

00:19:21.960 And there's no evidence whatsoever.

00:19:24.000 And again, this goes through the Mueller report.

00:19:26.100 There's no evidence that this had any effect on what actually occurred in the election.

00:19:32.000 It's an important thing.

00:19:34.220 Everyone knows this, I think, with the exception of people on the far left.

00:19:38.560 I even heard, I mean, I heard James Clapper on CNN yesterday saying the Mueller report shows that the social media outreach from the Russians reached 123 million people.

00:19:47.940 Like, with this idea that you're supposed to say, wow, really, they've reached 123 million people.

00:19:55.520 That's incredible.

00:19:56.760 That shows that they swung the election.

00:19:58.540 That is not what it shows at all.

00:20:00.880 Every, every, I mean, come on.

00:20:02.980 We all know this.

00:20:03.840 People, people with picture, with photographic evidence, with nonstop scientific studies over multiple decades don't change their mind on social media.

00:20:16.320 You think Russian propaganda changed anybody's mind on social media of who to vote for?

00:20:20.860 And it had nothing to do with whether they changed anybody's mind.

00:20:23.840 It has to do with whether they changed the mind of about 80,000 people in three states.

00:20:27.100 And the answer to this is obvious, you're never going to know for sure, you're never going to be able to interview every single person and see all their, all of their social media interactions and go back and retrace their mind mindset.

00:20:41.240 But the bottom line is, it is very difficult to change people's mind on an election like Trump versus Clinton.

00:20:48.120 There weren't a lot of undecideds there.

00:20:49.640 It wasn't like, oh, well, you know what?

00:20:51.520 I really believed in socialized medicine, but wow, this Russian bot just said.

00:20:57.160 I mean, that doesn't happen.

00:20:58.720 These are not things that occur.

00:21:01.040 Later on in the New York Times story.

00:21:05.220 It's amazing.

00:21:06.820 Immediately after learning that the special counsel had been appointed to lead the Russia investigation, the report said Mr. Trump became distraught and slumped in his chair.

00:21:15.580 This is the most prominent piece of the Mueller report.

00:21:19.840 I'm about to read you both the most prominent piece, the most widely distributed line in the entire report.

00:21:27.100 And also the most leading, most misleading line in the entire report.

00:21:31.880 Trump said, quote, oh, my God, this is terrible.

00:21:35.640 This is the end of my presidency.

00:21:37.420 I'm effed.

00:21:38.940 How many times did you see that yesterday?

00:21:40.740 It was the headline.

00:21:41.680 And I can all but guarantee you when you read it, if you read it in the mainstream media, it stopped right there.

00:21:47.820 Right after the big F bomb.

00:21:50.060 I'm effed.

00:21:51.060 This is the president admitting he did something wrong.

00:21:54.600 He's caught.

00:21:57.200 But that's not the context of it at all.

00:21:59.420 If you read three or four sentences later in the Mueller report, it says this.

00:22:04.340 The president returned to the consequences of the appointment and said, everyone tells me if you get one of these independent councils, it ruins your presidency.

00:22:12.580 It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything.

00:22:16.260 This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.

00:22:18.440 Now, you may have heard that last line.

00:22:19.680 This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.

00:22:21.020 But did you hear the lines in between?

00:22:22.480 Because they're pretty important.

00:22:23.980 He wasn't saying he was effed because he was caught in this Russian scandal or that he did committed all these crimes.

00:22:31.440 He was saying it was going to derail his presidency because it was going to be the only thing he was going to be able to deal with the entire time.

00:22:39.600 He says, I won't be able to do anything.

00:22:41.920 He's not going to be able to get his agenda passed.

00:22:43.480 He's not going to be able to get anything done because he's going to be constantly talking about Russia all the time and dealing with that.

00:22:48.720 It had nothing to do with him admitting guilt.

00:22:51.380 But that's the way the media portrayed it.

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00:24:16.540 And I believe the one and only Pat Gray can get his podcast, of course,

00:24:20.140 and watch him every day at BlazeTV.com slash Glenn.

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00:24:26.520 It's Stu in for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.

00:24:29.180 Glenn, of course, after the really amazing mention of Glenn in the Mueller report.

00:24:34.980 I mean, you know, 114 pages on interactions with Glenn Beck in Russia.

00:24:40.180 I'm not surprised he got, quote, unquote, sick.

00:24:43.020 I'm not surprised at all.

00:24:45.140 But thankfully, Pat Gray is here to bring some real perspective to the Mueller report

00:24:50.360 because we know Glenn is compromised.

00:24:52.220 Yeah.

00:24:53.720 This is the report that never ends.

00:24:55.840 Remember the song that never ends?

00:24:57.460 This is the report that never ends.

00:25:00.080 It's just never going to stop.

00:25:01.220 And it's interesting to see because, according to the White House and Fox News,

00:25:08.040 everything's fine, totally exonerated.

00:25:10.760 According to CNN, we're right back on,

00:25:14.740 and it's full steam ahead on prosecution of some kind.

00:25:18.780 Right?

00:25:19.060 They think they're on to something again.

00:25:21.980 Yeah.

00:25:22.720 Their take on it is basically what Mueller did is lay out all the evidence

00:25:27.900 and ask Congress to go after him.

00:25:29.980 Right.

00:25:30.240 That's the perspective of the left and the media right now.

00:25:33.780 Yeah.

00:25:33.920 Which, stunningly, I keep saying those things as if they're separate.

00:25:37.540 Though, the left and the media, I kind of group them together

00:25:41.000 because they tend to have the same take every day.

00:25:43.840 But the left and the media is saying that today.

00:25:45.960 They're saying, okay, well, look, there's a lot of evidence here,

00:25:47.980 and what Mueller wanted was Congress to go after him on obstruction

00:25:52.000 because, look, in the past we've seen impeachment proceedings

00:25:54.540 that have been around obstruction of justice, and this makes lots of sense.

00:25:58.320 Yeah.

00:25:58.540 And you're right.

00:25:59.240 It's never going to end.

00:25:59.820 It's not.

00:26:01.040 And I think if he were to lose in 2020, I think they're going to –

00:26:05.600 because they can't prosecute him.

00:26:07.820 They can investigate him.

00:26:09.380 They can do a lot of things.

00:26:10.200 They can impeach him.

00:26:11.040 They can't prosecute him while he's president.

00:26:14.700 Right.

00:26:15.040 While he's president of the United States.

00:26:16.740 If he were to lose in 2020, I think they'd go after him after his presidency.

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:23.180 And if he – you know, after 2024, I think they'll go after him.

00:26:28.380 They're not fans.

00:26:29.460 No, they're not.

00:26:30.400 No.

00:26:31.100 It's kind of a strong statement, Stu.

00:26:34.340 They're not fans.

00:26:36.340 They're really not.

00:26:37.040 Yeah, they're not.

00:26:37.740 I think you might be right.

00:26:38.860 I mean, what was your – I mean, where do you fall in that, right?

00:26:43.040 You're saying the president and Fox News say there's nothing.

00:26:45.960 The CNN is saying it's everything that we could have wanted and more.

00:26:49.340 I think there's mostly nothing.

00:26:50.880 I – you know, he could have done worse than he did, but he had good people around him

00:26:55.720 that helped him not do worse than he did.

00:26:58.300 And so he was saved from himself, I think, on a few occasions.

00:27:02.520 And so I think – I think it's mostly, as we were told, that there's obviously no collusion

00:27:09.480 and there's no crime here.

00:27:11.100 And so we should be moving on with our lives.

00:27:14.560 Yeah.

00:27:14.700 Let's move on.

00:27:15.940 Yeah.

00:27:16.120 But we're not going to because they see some opportunity for obstruction here.

00:27:23.360 And I don't think they can make anything of it, but they're going to try.

00:27:26.820 Well, they're going to try to, at the very least, make it a big campaign issue.

00:27:29.740 Yeah.

00:27:29.940 Right?

00:27:30.320 For sure.

00:27:30.940 Because you're going to have – it's going to lead them to additional investigations.

00:27:35.040 Mm-hmm.

00:27:35.600 It's going to be –

00:27:37.240 Many, many additional.

00:27:38.340 Mm-hmm.

00:27:38.960 And it's going to make it into giant talking points for all 18 of these ridiculous candidates

00:27:44.500 to go out there and say and try to find what place they can be at to be as far to the side

00:27:50.480 of, you know, wanting him impeached or punished or whatever.

00:27:54.080 They're all going to race to be as hard as possible against Trump because that's obviously

00:27:59.200 just an election ploy.

00:28:01.220 And I think you could realistically go through this and say, I wish Trump handled many of

00:28:06.460 these situations differently.

00:28:07.560 I wish he wasn't so focused on the press and how the press would react all the time

00:28:12.940 because that – I mean, you go through this, all of the problems result from Donald Trump

00:28:17.620 thinking of a particular moment in the context of how the press views it, on how the American

00:28:25.620 people would view it, almost like it's a giant sporting event that he's trying to win

00:28:31.640 every day instead of just, you know, doing the right thing at a particular moment.

00:28:37.160 I mean, because when you see and you look in this and it happens over and over again

00:28:40.940 throughout the Mueller report, when he's faced with actual legal restrictions, he answers

00:28:45.840 everything honestly.

00:28:47.780 Like, you know, this happened multiple times.

00:28:52.020 I've got so many pieces of paper on my desk.

00:28:53.460 But like one of the times he was trying to get – he had avoided trying to release these

00:28:59.520 details and papers to the press and he tried to hide them and to his, you know, people right

00:29:06.520 around him who were with him advising him, just get out in front of it.

00:29:10.220 Just get out in front of it.

00:29:10.900 Release them because they're going to come out anyway.

00:29:13.060 Why not just get out in front of it?

00:29:14.540 And he kept trying to protect whatever press image he was trying to maintain instead of

00:29:20.660 just, you know, let the chips fall where they may.

00:29:23.180 I didn't do anything wrong.

00:29:24.660 Even when he doesn't do anything wrong, his instinct is to fight with the press, which

00:29:28.920 a lot of times is really fun.

00:29:30.820 You know, I mean, it's entertaining and I know it's one of the reasons he got elected.

00:29:36.140 But I think it's also at times like I just feel like he puts himself into these corners

00:29:41.700 where he doesn't need to be.

00:29:44.960 He's his own worst enemy at times.

00:29:47.360 And again, yeah, we like the combative nature of him because who?

00:29:53.180 Who battles with the media like this from the Republican side, from the right?

00:29:58.600 Nobody, nobody, nobody fights back.

00:30:01.520 Nobody wins that war until Donald Trump.

00:30:06.500 And so we appreciate when he fights that battle and when he gets back in their face.

00:30:12.760 But, you know, it's to his detriment from time to time.

00:30:15.700 Yeah.

00:30:16.660 Here's one example.

00:30:17.660 This is if you're reading along at home.

00:30:19.480 A lot of people are keeping the score at home right now.

00:30:21.080 With the full report in front of them?

00:30:23.000 Yeah, they have the full report in front of them.

00:30:24.000 So get to section two.

00:30:25.580 Okay.

00:30:25.840 Okay.

00:30:26.000 That's the obstruction of justice.

00:30:27.280 Get to page 106.

00:30:28.740 106, section two.

00:30:30.080 And you go to paragraph three.

00:30:30.660 Paragraph three.

00:30:30.860 If you could, Pat, just flip over.

00:30:32.080 Okay.

00:30:32.180 Yep.

00:30:32.440 Not there.

00:30:32.860 No, not two.

00:30:33.900 Over two.

00:30:34.820 All right.

00:30:35.540 Three?

00:30:36.060 Three.

00:30:36.300 Paragraph three, yeah.

00:30:36.880 All right.

00:30:37.400 The evidence has not established that the president took steps to prevent emails or other information

00:30:41.580 about the June 9th meeting.

00:30:43.100 This is the famous meeting.

00:30:45.340 From being provided to-

00:30:46.260 Trump Tower?

00:30:46.460 Yeah.

00:30:46.640 From being provided to Congress or the special counsel.

00:30:50.480 Series of discussions in which the president sought to limit access to the emails and prevent

00:30:54.440 their public release occurred in the context of developing a press strategy.

00:30:59.140 So that is a huge part of this.

00:31:01.140 He did things at times to hide these emails, but he wasn't hiding them from investigators.

00:31:05.600 He was hiding them from the press.

00:31:07.680 And while you might think, well, that's dishonest, it's also not a crime to hide things from the

00:31:13.040 press.

00:31:13.760 Right.

00:31:13.900 You can hide anything you want from the press.

00:31:15.220 And you can tell the press whatever you want.

00:31:17.220 You can lie to the press all you want.

00:31:19.640 It's the same thing that protects the press from lying all the time, protects you from

00:31:23.980 lying to the press.

00:31:24.980 You can kind of tell them whatever the hell you want.

00:31:26.880 Now, that might hurt you in a future criminal investigation, but you can say whatever you

00:31:30.440 want to the press.

00:31:31.880 The only evidence we have of the president, this is again from the Mueller report, again

00:31:35.580 page 106, Pat, section two, paragraph three, if you could.

00:31:39.400 Okay.

00:31:39.680 All right.

00:31:40.200 Okay.

00:31:40.960 The only evidence we have of the president discussing the production of documents to Congress

00:31:45.120 or the special counsel is the conversation of June 29th, 2017.

00:31:49.540 Hope Hicks recalled the president acknowledged Kushner's attorney should provide emails related

00:31:54.800 to the June 9th meeting to whomever he needed to give them to.

00:31:57.840 So, the difference between the way he acted with the press and the way he acted in the

00:32:03.220 investigation is the reason why there's no crime here.

00:32:06.660 Because he, at times, took evasive steps to screw with the media, to protect himself, to

00:32:13.720 protect his reputation, to protect his family, to do all these things.

00:32:17.380 But when it came down to the actual investigation, he's like, give him everything.

00:32:21.300 He didn't redact a lot from this.

00:32:23.740 Barr did not redact a lot from this.

00:32:25.560 But the impression from the media you'd get was Barr was going to redact everything.

00:32:29.080 They were going to use executive privilege over and over and over and over again.

00:32:31.960 They didn't use it once.

00:32:34.580 Amazing.

00:32:35.060 These were months.

00:32:35.680 It's amazing.

00:32:36.140 Pat, six months of them telling us this is going to happen.

00:32:39.760 And it just evaporates the moment after they're wrong.

00:32:42.960 We don't get the, wow, we were wrong.

00:32:44.840 They didn't redact anything in here.

00:32:48.440 I'm surprised.

00:32:49.200 We don't get those moments.

00:32:50.740 It's just, he's got to do this terrible thing.

00:32:53.240 He's got to do this terrible thing.

00:32:54.220 He didn't do it.

00:32:55.080 Well, look at what about this other terrible thing.

00:32:56.980 There's never that moment of them saying, okay, yeah, we're sorry about that last six

00:33:00.220 months of coverage.

00:33:01.340 No, right.

00:33:02.260 And to watch CNN right now or MSNBC, they're so gleeful in this.

00:33:07.260 You would think it proved everything they've been saying for the last two years.

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:11.300 They're, they're acting as if they've now been proven right all of a sudden when that

00:33:17.660 is not the case.

00:33:19.000 No, no.

00:33:19.620 I mean, you know, you've seen, in fact, several examples in the Mueller report that disprove

00:33:24.140 previous reporting, probably prime among them, the BuzzFeed report about Michael Cohen,

00:33:30.180 that he, Michael Cohen said, uh, uh, he was told to lie to Congress.

00:33:36.360 And remember, this is the one time the Mueller report actually stepped out and said, yeah,

00:33:39.580 by the way, that's not in our report.

00:33:41.460 BuzzFeed stood by that story.

00:33:43.280 Here's the report.

00:33:44.820 It's not in the report.

00:33:46.740 It's that clear.

00:33:48.320 Um, the other one is the sex tape.

00:33:49.860 Remember the dossier.

00:33:51.340 That started all this, right?

00:33:52.800 Yeah.

00:33:53.140 What, didn't it begin kind of with the, with the dossier?

00:33:56.920 Sort of.

00:33:57.640 Seems like it was.

00:33:58.740 Yeah.

00:33:59.000 I mean, so the, the dossier fueled the application of the, uh, for the FISA report.

00:34:06.040 Right.

00:34:06.320 When they, for, on Carter Page.

00:34:07.940 It wasn't the only thing in there, though.

00:34:09.660 And some of the things in the dossier have been shown to be right.

00:34:13.540 And like, for example, one of the things they brought up in the Carter Page FISA application

00:34:16.860 was he traveled, uh, to Russia at one point.

00:34:20.360 Um, and.

00:34:21.180 That Trump did?

00:34:21.740 No, that Carter Page did.

00:34:23.380 And he did travel to Russia at that point.

00:34:25.160 His argument is, well, it wasn't to do anything.

00:34:28.180 You know, I was just meeting with business people, you know, but that was in the report and

00:34:31.140 that part was true.

00:34:31.900 So, but the, the, the salacious stuff that came out was these, or it was about these

00:34:35.400 sex tapes, right?

00:34:36.460 Mm-hmm.

00:34:36.980 Where Trump, during the Miss Universe thing, he's, he's a billionaire, uh, and he's over

00:34:43.200 there, he's running this thing with Miss Universe contestants.

00:34:46.160 What's he doing?

00:34:46.860 Hooking up with hookers.

00:34:47.800 He's got hookers everywhere.

00:34:48.760 Mm-hmm.

00:34:49.080 Uh, and they're doing nasty things in a hotel room.

00:34:52.640 And I guess we skipped the details of on Good Friday.

00:34:54.720 I think that's maybe a good step here.

00:34:56.680 Good safety tip.

00:34:57.160 Okay?

00:34:57.560 Mm-hmm.

00:34:57.760 But this is interesting.

00:34:58.800 This is a, Pat, if you could, uh, it's, it's section two.

00:35:01.500 Oh, okay.

00:35:02.300 Page 27.

00:35:02.980 Twenty-seven.

00:35:03.600 Footnote 112.

00:35:04.860 All right.

00:35:04.980 If you could join me there for just a moment.

00:35:06.540 If you're, if you're scoring at home, you can get this part.

00:35:09.280 And who isn't?

00:35:10.060 I think everybody's scoring at home.

00:35:11.160 Everyone, yeah.

00:35:11.700 At this point.

00:35:11.860 I did instruct everyone when the show began today to pull out the report and have it ready to flip

00:35:16.200 from page to page.

00:35:17.020 So this is, uh, footnote 112, of course.

00:35:20.160 Comey's briefing included the Steele, uh, reporting's unverified allegation that the

00:35:24.120 Russians had compromising tapes of the president involving conduct when he was a private citizen

00:35:28.900 during a 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant.

00:35:33.280 During the 2016 presidential campaign, a similar, uh, claim may have reached candidate Trump.

00:35:38.480 But October, no, I'm still on the same page.

00:35:40.440 I think you just flipped a page, but I'm still on the same page.

00:35:44.200 I didn't think you'd see that.

00:35:45.560 I did.

00:35:45.940 I just noticed it.

00:35:46.560 You know, it's like, why is he flipping the page?

00:35:48.080 We're still on, we're still on page 27 footnote 112.

00:35:51.860 I apologize.

00:35:52.160 I thought you were.

00:35:53.100 Was I losing you there or something?

00:35:54.320 No, no, no.

00:35:55.420 I want to make sure.

00:35:57.600 So on October 30th, 2016, Michael Cohen received a text from a Russian businessman.

00:36:03.640 Uh, and they give the name, but it's, um, nothing but T, S's and K's.

00:36:07.580 So I'm not going to attempt.

00:36:09.060 I mean, the first four letters are RTSK.

00:36:11.780 You can't put those four letters next to each other.

00:36:14.740 That's not, that's, I don't know what language that is.

00:36:17.060 In fact, I do, but I just don't think that should be a language if you attempt that.

00:36:20.940 So this Russian businessman texts Michael Cohen and says he stopped the flow of tapes from Russia, but he's not sure if there's anything else.

00:36:28.960 Just so you know.

00:36:30.400 So that kind of indicates, wait a minute.

00:36:32.100 I mean, here he is.

00:36:33.080 This is a guy saying there might be tapes in Russia.

00:36:36.500 If you keep reading, however, it gives you detail.

00:36:39.340 That's pretty important.

00:36:40.680 The Russian businessman said the tapes were referring to the compromising tapes of Trump rumored to be held by persons associated with Russian real estate conglomerate, which had helped, uh, which had helped in the, in the Miss Universe pageant.

00:36:53.160 Cohen said he spoke to Trump about the issue after receiving the text from this Russian businessman.

00:36:57.180 You have turned the page now.

00:36:58.680 We're on a different page.

00:36:59.760 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:37:00.140 Yes, we're on now on page 28, continuing, however, the same footnote 112, if you're scoring at home.

00:37:04.940 All right.

00:37:05.520 So the Russian businessman sends this text, says, I've stopped these tapes.

00:37:09.120 Cohen gets the message.

00:37:10.800 They interview the Russian businessman.

00:37:12.420 He says he was told the tapes were fake, but did not communicate that to Cohen.

00:37:18.760 So even the Russians knew.

00:37:21.340 My gosh.

00:37:21.920 That these tapes were fake.

00:37:23.340 I mean, that's a pretty big deal, and I have not heard anybody mention it, but the people, even the Russians, who were trying to use this for influence, even they knew they were taped, yet it's a fake, yet it still made it to our media.

00:37:36.960 It was still covered by everybody here.

00:37:38.860 Even the sources knew this wasn't true.

00:37:42.940 And there it is in the Mueller report.

00:37:44.880 Did you have any subsections you wanted to check before we get on to the next, any footnotes?

00:37:48.920 What page should I flip to?

00:37:50.180 You know what?

00:37:51.740 I think I'll save my subsections for Monday.

00:37:54.020 Oh, okay.

00:37:54.560 For the big show.

00:37:56.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.280 Give people a chance to catch up.

00:37:57.820 All right.

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00:38:12.900 Is it really?

00:38:13.220 That was passed.

00:38:14.200 Trump signed that?

00:38:15.000 It was passed.

00:38:15.340 He did sign it.

00:38:16.660 He's federal law.

00:38:17.460 Wow.

00:38:17.780 Fast-tracked that one.

00:38:18.560 Yeah.

00:38:18.700 I see that.

00:38:19.180 All right, Pat Gray.

00:38:19.860 Thank you very much.

00:38:21.320 All right.

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00:40:31.580 but we are going to have a message from Glenn coming up here in a little bit.

00:40:35.440 It is Easter weekend, so we're going to have our traditional Easter message from Glenn,

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00:42:23.960 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:42:26.400 It's Good Friday.

00:42:27.440 It's Easter weekend.

00:42:28.320 We have Glenn's message for Easter coming up here this hour, so you don't want to miss that.

00:42:34.140 We also have more on the Mueller Report.

00:42:36.160 We're going to go through a couple of other pieces of it, how it's going to be seen and

00:42:39.680 how it's going to go forward.

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00:44:39.380 Now reached the period of time in which the media will teach us about what we're supposed

00:44:45.020 to understand from the Mueller report.

00:44:46.760 Yeah, sure, you could go read it yourself, but let's let the media direct us.

00:44:50.820 And on this Easter holiday, I want to give you a little flashback, a little reminder of

00:44:57.120 the quality of your news media.

00:44:59.880 Listen.

00:45:02.480 In consumer news, economic factors may take some spring out of the Easter Bunny step this

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00:46:14.120 Economic factors may take the spring out of the step of the Easter Bunny's step this year.

00:46:19.180 In consumer news, economic factors may take...

00:46:21.660 You're going to love the person, the one person who occasionally, you know, changes up one word.

00:46:27.020 Like, they're just, the scripts have been handed to them.

00:46:28.660 Like, I can't do that. I can't do this joke. I've got to mix it up a little bit.

00:46:31.840 That's right. Conan O'Brien, he does those every once in a while.

00:46:33.640 And those are all legitimate local news stories from the same couple of days doing the exact same joke.

00:46:42.260 It's amazing how that stuff happens.

00:46:44.540 And he seems to find those over and over again. It's incredible.

00:46:47.780 I mean, we know groupthink is a thing in the media.

00:46:50.580 We know that that's true.

00:46:51.960 But how does the Mueller report actually affect the political situation that we're looking at right now?

00:46:59.080 Because we can all sit here and look at this and say,

00:47:02.700 Well, I think he's guilty and I think he's innocent.

00:47:05.020 But the bigger question is, how does this play on a wider scale?

00:47:10.720 There's basically three groups of people here.

00:47:12.740 You've got people who love Donald Trump and aren't going to change their mind no matter what.

00:47:17.760 I mean, the Mueller report could say, We interviewed Melania Trump.

00:47:21.720 Melania said that Trump and Putin held puppy clubbing parties on alternate Thursdays for the past three years.

00:47:29.120 She actually was there at them.

00:47:30.880 She saw them.

00:47:31.560 She witnessed them.

00:47:32.380 And she videoed them.

00:47:33.740 So here's the video.

00:47:34.600 And you can see Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump clubbing puppies over and over again.

00:47:39.040 We have it right there.

00:47:39.780 In fact, Melania said in the middle of the interview, she interrupted and she said,

00:47:43.180 You know what?

00:47:44.040 One's going on right now in the Oval Office.

00:47:46.900 And she walked the interviewer down the hall into the Oval Office and Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin were wearing diapers and clubbing puppies.

00:47:55.800 I don't know where the diapers thing came in.

00:47:57.620 It just seemed like that was going to be part of it.

00:47:59.780 If that was in there and Melania then went on TV and said, Yes, I said those things.

00:48:03.860 And here's the video I'm showing you right now.

00:48:05.960 There is a percentage of the population that would be like, You know what?

00:48:08.640 I think Trump didn't do that.

00:48:09.640 I don't think there's any evidence.

00:48:11.460 And it's a hoax.

00:48:13.100 Right.

00:48:13.240 There is that part of the population.

00:48:14.480 I doubt that's you as a listener.

00:48:18.440 But there's the other side of this.

00:48:19.960 And you know that this is true as well.

00:48:22.420 If the Mueller report said that we found there is absolutely no collusion whatsoever.

00:48:27.520 In fact, there was no contact between the Trump administration and the Russians.

00:48:33.040 And by the way, Trump has no knowledge of the country of Russia.

00:48:37.980 He's never heard of it.

00:48:39.480 We quizzed him over and over again.

00:48:41.280 We're able to get into the genetics of his mind.

00:48:43.900 And we were able to see the electrical pulses and realize through an MRI that he has no knowledge of the country in Russia.

00:48:51.980 In fact, incredibly, Donald Trump has never seen Rocky IV.

00:48:57.080 He has no knowledge of Ivan Drago.

00:48:59.600 He has no knowledge of the entire plot line.

00:49:02.000 In fact, he was personally responsible, and we did not know this until the Mueller report, he was personally responsible for tearing down the Berlin Wall.

00:49:11.920 That's how against the Soviet Union and Russia that Donald Trump is.

00:49:16.560 There is a percentage of this population that would still say, you know what, he's guilty.

00:49:21.320 I know he's guilty of collusion.

00:49:22.740 I know it.

00:49:24.100 There's plenty of people on Twitter you're going to find that have blue check marks next to that name that fall into that category.

00:49:29.140 And then there's this other category, and I feel like a lot of times we think that these people don't exist.

00:49:34.320 They are widely represented in this audience, which are people who actually wanted to see what the truth was on something like this.

00:49:43.180 They certainly, as I do, suspect that there are political sort of motivations behind a lot of this to try to get out a Republican president.

00:49:52.700 But if Donald Trump really did do something wrong, I would want to know about it, and I know the audience would want to know about it.

00:49:59.180 I know you'd want to know about it.

00:50:00.340 You're driving to your car.

00:50:01.220 You're trying to do your job.

00:50:02.300 You're trying to make a living.

00:50:04.020 The economy's good.

00:50:04.900 You like a lot of things that are going on right now.

00:50:06.680 But if the president of the United States really was engaging in this sort of behavior, you'd want to know about it.

00:50:11.940 And those people are not—they're the persuadables at some level.

00:50:15.980 Even if you have a leaning, you're at least persuadable.

00:50:17.940 You're open to hearing the facts.

00:50:19.100 You're open to call balls and strikes.

00:50:23.020 You know, there's a—right now, Donald Trump, 51% of the American people approve of Donald Trump's handling of the economy.

00:50:30.580 And you could say you think that should be higher.

00:50:32.480 You can say you think that should be lower.

00:50:34.700 But Donald Trump, if you look at the way he's portrayed on media, on the media, you'd say, no way he's got a positive portrayal there.

00:50:42.100 But people realize that the economy is good.

00:50:44.140 Those same people, when asked—because I think he's plus 8 on the economy—he's minus 15 on tariffs.

00:50:51.880 The same people, the same questions, they ask them, hey, do you approve of him on the economy?

00:50:56.380 Yes.

00:50:56.660 Do you approve of the way he's handled tariffs and the trade war?

00:50:59.440 No.

00:51:00.420 There's a chunk there.

00:51:01.500 What is it?

00:51:01.820 10, 15, 20% in the middle.

00:51:03.600 Not in the middle politically, but in the middle of engaging, of engagement, right?

00:51:08.960 People who are there reading this stuff every day and actually care and can say their side does things wrong sometimes, and the other side does things wrong sometimes, and I want to know what the truth is.

00:51:18.480 And those people actually do exist.

00:51:21.320 And that is the question as to how this is going to be handled.

00:51:26.100 You look at this report, and of course the media is going to blow it out of proportion and be crazy.

00:51:30.480 We know that's going to happen, and they are doing that.

00:51:32.600 But when you look at the obstruction section, which is section 2, if you're scoring at home, if you flip to page 147, one thing you'll notice is all of the problems that Trump could have out of this.

00:51:48.120 First of all, they're not criminal.

00:51:50.140 They're not.

00:51:51.760 There are some nuanced explanations as to why they're not.

00:51:56.020 There are things you'll hear in the media, people saying, well, he would have been convicted if, well, if didn't happen, if isn't reality.

00:52:04.240 We are in reality.

00:52:05.600 He's not convicted of these things.

00:52:07.640 He did not do anything that rose to the level of Mueller recommending, not even convicting him, but recommending that people go after him.

00:52:18.940 He didn't do that.

00:52:21.180 But not everything there is wonderful.

00:52:23.260 And all of the problems that Trump has there are largely self-created, and they all flow from the same issue.

00:52:30.420 The issues that have Trump's problems kind of associated with them, they constantly surround Trump's, I'd say, unfortunate and unnecessary view that the press issue of the day is his highest priority.

00:52:45.760 And there are more important things than that.

00:52:50.040 And I swear that if Trump was instead focusing on things he could get done and things that could actually improve his own standing when it comes to policy, rather than whatever the media is saying about him on a given day, things would not only be better for the country, but better for him.

00:53:10.560 In a way, it allows the media to control his narrative.

00:53:15.560 And one of the things we like about Trump, I think, as people who are friendly to conservatism generally, one of the things, one of the reasons he got elected was because he's fighting back.

00:53:24.380 People like that he's fighting back.

00:53:26.320 And that is, generally speaking, I think a good instinct.

00:53:29.080 You don't want someone who's going to sit there and get his teeth kicked in over and over and over again.

00:53:32.680 But there's a limit here to this.

00:53:34.940 And, you know, there's been so much fighting about the Mueller report all of this time.

00:53:38.560 It honestly could have been avoided all of this time until we actually got the information.

00:53:43.160 Now we have the report.

00:53:44.060 We can talk about it or whatever.

00:53:45.400 We can go down those roads if we must.

00:53:47.880 But Trump loves that.

00:53:49.520 He loves fighting with the press.

00:53:50.820 And he views it as a day-to-day sport.

00:53:53.940 It's the slog of summer baseball.

00:53:56.780 Every day there's a new game.

00:53:58.400 Every day you've got to worry about what the result of that game is.

00:54:00.760 And every day, Trump, I think, unfortunately, makes choices based on what wins that day instead of what long-term.

00:54:10.260 There are times in here where he is, I mean, blatantly caught saying things that are untrue.

00:54:17.960 However, over and over and over and over again, when asked to comply with investigators, he tells the truth.

00:54:24.760 He turns over the documents.

00:54:26.240 He acts accordingly as to how he should.

00:54:30.760 But he treats the media and the general narrative as a completely different animal.

00:54:36.140 He'll say whatever he has to do to get through the day to the media.

00:54:39.720 And that instinct at times works.

00:54:42.640 It serves him well.

00:54:44.200 I don't like it, but at times it does work.

00:54:46.700 At other times, this sort of stuff happens.

00:54:48.360 And so now you have situations where because he did things that helped him get through the day of media, it winds up burning him later.

00:55:00.740 And now he's got to deal with this because this is never going to end.

00:55:03.020 Again, in the Mueller report, it over and over says when faced with Congress, like as far as turning over to documents to Congress, he complied to those things.

00:55:12.860 He didn't use executive privilege in an excessive way.

00:55:16.280 They didn't redact too much of the report.

00:55:18.320 They didn't do all the things that were predicted that he was going to do.

00:55:20.820 But instead of just coming out, and he's advised over and over again by people close to him.

00:55:27.400 I'll give you a good example.

00:55:28.560 The statement from Donald Trump Jr. that Donald Trump kind of helped craft about the meeting in Trump Tower.

00:55:39.760 He was advised by people close to him.

00:55:41.420 Very smart people who come off great in these reports and still have very good relationships with Donald Trump.

00:55:46.020 You know, people very close to him, like Hope Hicks and others.

00:55:51.360 Just get out in front of this.

00:55:53.360 Like these, this email is going to come out.

00:55:56.100 Release it.

00:55:56.960 Just release it.

00:55:58.120 You get out in front of it.

00:55:59.200 You control this.

00:56:00.400 Just come out and be honest about it.

00:56:01.700 Look, someone said they might have some things that might help us in the election.

00:56:05.060 We didn't know who they were.

00:56:05.960 They came into the office.

00:56:07.240 They didn't have anything.

00:56:08.140 It was over.

00:56:08.600 It was nothing.

00:56:09.460 Instead, they tried to manipulate it to make it sound like it was primarily, in fact, the initial wording was,

00:56:14.800 it was about adoption, which was only a small part of the meeting.

00:56:18.760 And then they wound up getting in trouble for it later.

00:56:21.000 And that trouble was unnecessary.

00:56:24.420 It didn't, it didn't help them.

00:56:26.860 And in the long term, it winds up hurting.

00:56:28.920 And so I think that instinct is something that the president, because he loves that media battle so much, gets caught up in.

00:56:34.640 It's, it's, it's an, you know, it's an emotional thing.

00:56:36.580 And it's, it's honestly understandable.

00:56:38.000 I mean, Barr listed those, the sort of explanations for some of this behavior.

00:56:42.200 He said he was in the middle of an unprecedented situation.

00:56:44.800 He was under mass news media examination.

00:56:47.580 He was frustrated.

00:56:48.280 He was angry.

00:56:49.180 He was annoyed at the illegal leaks.

00:56:51.520 And he had non-corrupt motives in all of these things.

00:56:54.980 And I think all of those are completely true.

00:56:57.160 And I think all of us would be in the same situation.

00:56:59.840 All of those same emotions would hit us.

00:57:01.960 But you, you know, there were people around him that stopped some of this.

00:57:04.940 And in other places, he stopped himself.

00:57:07.980 And in those circumstances, he's much better off.

00:57:10.700 The ones where he just let himself go with it and just fire away, at times the problems were caused there.

00:57:18.120 We're going to go into a little bit more here in just a second, take a 60-second break.

00:57:21.040 Jason Buttrell is going to be joining us with some more updates.

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00:58:33.620 Jason Buttrell, he got stuck with the 448 pages of the Mueller Report.

00:58:49.280 So there's been some big things.

00:58:51.020 I think you were the first person I heard talk about the context of the biggest quote that was involved and has been proliferated from the Mueller Report.

00:59:00.480 I think we should hit that again because that's a huge one.

00:59:02.520 Everyone seeing this on social media, give me this context.

00:59:05.880 That was the, I think that was the only media reaction that I saw the entire day.

00:59:09.920 Yeah.

00:59:10.220 Because when it came out, I was on with you and then it came out and I just ran out of here like huffing and puffing to try and start reading on this bad boy.

00:59:17.260 Yeah, you should probably jog a little bit more just to get in shape.

00:59:19.260 Right, I know, big time.

00:59:21.180 But yeah, so like I really quickly with it, like I don't know, I was like in 200 pages deep into this bad boy and I was like, I was really quick, I'm going to check the Twitter reaction.

00:59:29.780 And that was the first quote that I saw.

00:59:31.560 It was everywhere.

00:59:32.720 Everywhere.

00:59:33.240 And it still is everywhere.

00:59:34.060 And it's constantly in headlines without the context.

00:59:37.380 Yeah.

00:59:37.620 And so if you actually, like, so if you read that one line and you're like, okay, it sounds like he's saying, crap, I'm guilty.

00:59:44.320 Yeah, here it is the line.

00:59:45.160 Oh my God, this is terrible.

00:59:46.660 This is the end of my presidency.

00:59:48.320 I'm effed.

00:59:49.900 And you might also have heard this.

00:59:52.000 This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

00:59:54.120 In between those two lines, however, belies, I think, the real meaning of what he was talking about.

01:00:01.320 Yeah.

01:00:01.520 And so he follows up with that.

01:00:02.800 If you read, like you said, a couple lines later, everyone tells me if you get one of these independent councils, it ruins your presidency.

01:00:09.800 It takes years and years, and I won't be able to do anything.

01:00:14.240 He was worried about his agenda.

01:00:15.780 That's what he was worried about.

01:00:16.900 And his presidency, like, I want to get some things done.

01:00:19.680 So if you read the entire context, he actually looks like he's incredibly innocent on this.

01:00:25.440 Yeah.

01:00:25.580 He's not worried about collusion.

01:00:27.200 He's not worried about the Russians.

01:00:28.500 He's worried about his agenda.

01:00:29.340 He's not saying Mueller's going to find him having the puppy-clubbing party with Vladimir Putin.

01:00:35.120 He's worried about, I'm not going to be able to, you know, get rid of Obamacare.

01:00:39.620 I'm not going to be ready to stop the stuff at the border.

01:00:41.860 He knows that an independent council can derail a presidency, and that's what he was saying when he was saying, this is the end of my presidency.

01:00:48.580 I'm effed.

01:00:49.380 Yeah.

01:00:49.500 He knew he was going to be having to deal with this for a couple years, and you've got to say, pretty prescient on that one.

01:00:54.340 Right, and, but that really, I mean, the more and more you read this, if you go through a lot of the obstruction cases, that was pretty much what I found, is every time, like, so the special counsel was looking at, I thought it was kind of funny.

01:01:07.980 They were like, this is one of the hardest, basically, in so many words, this is one of the hardest obstruction cases we've ever had to investigate.

01:01:13.780 And their direct quote was, action and intent make it difficult, to say the least.

01:01:19.360 Because every time he would do something, they were like, well, it could be because he wants to impede the election, but then he would say this to somebody else.

01:01:27.820 So the actions and what, you know, the reasoning behind it, the intent never, never matched up.

01:01:33.800 And, but again, that's not really something that, you know, we're reading from, you know, depending on where you get your news, you know.

01:01:39.840 Yeah, you're not getting that from the media at all.

01:01:41.320 Yeah, you're just getting because, oh, well, like, what's the big thing now is like, oh, well, you know, happy people, you know, don't react this way.

01:01:48.980 You know, or, what, what, it is, it's so ridiculous.

01:01:52.040 So ridiculous.

01:01:52.780 So ridiculous.

01:01:53.360 The media, and I heard this this morning, it's seven of the ten things that they talk about that were problematic, that, that Mueller doesn't even say hit the three parts of obstruction of justice that you need to hit.

01:02:03.380 There are three different hurdles you need to clear.

01:02:06.500 And seven of the ten did not clear, did not clear those hurdles.

01:02:11.360 The other three, they leave open.

01:02:13.620 Right?

01:02:14.040 So we're talking about a very small, you know, it's the McGahn firing was one of them.

01:02:17.360 There's a couple of them there, and that one was kind of interesting, too, because there is this, that one is interesting in that, like, Trump, for a guy who is most famous for saying, you're fired, or at least was before he was president, he's probably most famous for being president now.

01:02:31.620 But he's most famous for saying, you're fired, right?

01:02:33.400 That was his gig.

01:02:34.660 And he is not a confrontational guy.

01:02:37.280 He does not like firing people himself.

01:02:39.100 So he keeps trying to call other people to get people fired, and those people kept just not doing it.

01:02:45.020 I mean, it's an amazing picture of what goes on behind the scenes of a White House.

01:02:49.580 Yeah, and it's kind of, it's to the credit of the people around him, actually, at the time, that were like, whoa, you can't do this.

01:02:54.160 And this is very, very characteristic of, you know, someone that's, that is an outsider, you know, that doesn't really know how things work.

01:02:59.760 He's just going off of kind of like how, you know, the appearance of it.

01:03:02.960 I loved the one, actually, where he called in Lewandowski to kind of change the scope of everything.

01:03:08.660 And then Lewandowski's like, I ain't gonna do this.

01:03:10.180 So he just, like, pawns it off on Rick Dearborn.

01:03:13.180 And Doran's like, I don't want you doing it.

01:03:14.360 I ain't doing this.

01:03:15.180 And so eventually, they both decided just to not do anything, which worked out into the president's favor.

01:03:20.140 There you go.

01:03:20.420 It's kind of amazing.

01:03:21.520 All right, Jason Buttrell, thank you very much.

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01:05:10.420 It's Good Friday.

01:05:12.340 Today, we're going on a journey.

01:05:17.180 They say that time itself does not exist as we know it.

01:05:21.900 As we understand it.

01:05:25.320 It only really exists as something called space time.

01:05:29.540 It's really only a point on a giant map.

01:05:33.780 Something that we can use to find out where we are, where we've been, or where we're going.

01:05:41.760 So let's unfold space time and trace our way back.

01:05:47.920 First, maybe just a couple of years.

01:05:52.260 Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world.

01:05:57.800 The United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda.

01:06:01.860 On my orders, the United States military has begun strike.

01:06:04.680 Yes, the al-Qaeda terrorist training camp.

01:06:06.420 The people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.

01:06:10.780 Now back, even further.

01:06:13.620 Princess Diana died around here.

01:06:15.540 I did not have this vast right-wing conspiracy.

01:06:19.680 He is O.J. Simpson.

01:06:21.440 He is armed with a gun.

01:06:22.580 Mr. Gorbachev tears down this.

01:06:25.700 Elvis Presley died today.

01:06:27.820 Well, I'm not a crook.

01:06:29.140 I've earned everything I've got.

01:06:31.240 Because of what has happened in Munich during the past four years, eight or nine terrified living human beings are being held prisoner.

01:06:38.580 A second shot, the third total shot, hit the president's head.

01:06:44.480 Dr. Martin Luther King has been shot to death in Memphis.

01:06:48.160 A short time ago, an American airplane dropped one bomb on Hiroshima.

01:06:53.880 Allied naval forces, supported by strong air forces, began landing Allied armies this morning on the northern coast of France.

01:07:05.120 December 7th, 1941.

01:07:11.060 A date which will live in infamy.

01:07:14.100 Oh, the humanity.

01:07:16.880 Back farther still, even before Marconi, when the air was silent.

01:07:23.880 Back past the signing of the Declaration of Independence, past the Age of Enlightenment,

01:07:33.540 before Martin Luther hung his protest on the church doors,

01:07:37.200 before Columbus rediscovered the fact that the world was round.

01:07:41.400 We go past Newton, Galileo, the Dark Ages, the Crusades,

01:07:45.960 back to a time before books, when most of the world couldn't read nor write, and history was oral.

01:07:53.880 We leave this world now, where we can hear and see a lone protester standing in front of a tank

01:08:01.620 in a country on the other side of the planet, and we can see it live.

01:08:05.720 To a world seemingly simple, yet brutal beyond our understanding, where news was spread from mouth to mouth.

01:08:14.600 We stop here, at approximately 29 of the Common Era.

01:08:22.940 We stop at a small walled city in the Middle East.

01:08:27.060 It's around 10 o'clock at night, just a couple of days before Passover.

01:08:32.720 The meals are being prepared, the night's meal had already been eaten, and most in the city are asleep.

01:08:39.720 One man, however, is not.

01:08:44.380 It's strange.

01:08:46.220 He's younger than I am.

01:08:48.560 He's about 30.

01:08:50.640 He's awake, and alone in a garden.

01:08:54.560 His friends, who have been with him for several years, are just a few yards away.

01:08:58.980 They slumber underneath the star-filled sky.

01:09:01.720 They still don't know that even though they sleep, the world is about to wake.

01:09:11.100 Eleven of twelve men sleep beside a hill.

01:09:15.700 One man awake.

01:09:18.400 He couldn't sleep, for he knew.

01:09:22.980 He was in a garden, in prayer, praying so hard about what he knew was about to come,

01:09:29.560 praying so hard that blood actually dripped from his pores in a place of sweat.

01:09:35.880 Back at the hill, when he returned, he begged his friends to wake and pray with him.

01:09:43.280 They didn't know how serious his request really was.

01:09:47.680 They had no idea what was just to come.

01:09:51.740 He pleaded with his friends,

01:09:53.460 Why will you not rise and pray with me?

01:09:57.120 He asked this again before returning to the garden alone.

01:10:01.160 He knelt there on rocky soil, his hands clasped, his head bowed.

01:10:07.340 Twilight dew draped his neck, the horizon still in black.

01:10:13.060 He prayed.

01:10:14.360 He prayed even harder, for the sky would eventually turn purple, then light blue.

01:10:19.640 And he knew what awaited him.

01:10:23.900 Back to the hill once more, his friends asleep.

01:10:28.140 He begged his friends,

01:10:29.660 Rise, rise and pray with me.

01:10:32.500 I need you now more than ever.

01:10:35.080 They said they would.

01:10:36.760 But shortly after he left, they fell asleep again.

01:10:41.280 The dawn was even closer.

01:10:43.760 And he knew his time was running out.

01:10:47.140 Now, over the hill, they marched like flowing lava burning in the night's solace.

01:10:55.220 The eleven are surely awake now.

01:10:58.360 They have sworn their faith to him.

01:11:00.640 But he knows.

01:11:02.060 He knew this wasn't true.

01:11:04.800 They'll weaken, and he'll be forsaken.

01:11:07.960 Forsaken by the same men who just swore their undying devotion.

01:11:12.840 The torchlights grow brighter,

01:11:14.880 the hourglass running low.

01:11:17.140 The clanging of the metal swords and spears.

01:11:20.000 The sound and the vibration of the march,

01:11:22.200 deep down from their feet to their spine,

01:11:24.740 creating a shallow vibration,

01:11:27.160 leaving them quivering.

01:11:29.140 The soldiers approach.

01:11:32.600 The one is grabbed and kissed.

01:11:37.300 Betrayed with a kiss.

01:11:38.920 A kiss, wearing the mask of loyalty.

01:11:43.880 One of the men leap forward,

01:11:46.260 draws his sword,

01:11:47.240 cutting the ear off one of the soldiers.

01:11:49.540 He raises his hand.

01:11:51.500 No.

01:11:52.940 Peace.

01:11:54.360 Take me now in peace.

01:11:57.160 For this is my purpose.

01:11:59.780 This is my being.

01:12:01.380 This is the reason I came.

01:12:04.820 Now, one of them, Peter, strays.

01:12:11.600 While his friend is being persecuted for crimes he didn't commit,

01:12:16.200 he stands by a fire,

01:12:18.140 denying any relationship he has

01:12:20.260 as he tries to blend in with the common people.

01:12:23.040 A woman approaches.

01:12:25.800 Didn't I see you with him?

01:12:28.020 Peter says,

01:12:28.940 Surely I don't know him.

01:12:30.440 But you're from Galilee.

01:12:32.060 For the third time, Peter says,

01:12:34.260 I do not know this man.

01:12:36.680 Now, Jesus is pulled back and forth

01:12:38.960 between the two who will determine his fate.

01:12:42.260 They can't see any crime.

01:12:44.900 But they still question,

01:12:47.320 scourge, and mock him.

01:12:48.960 Aren't you the king?

01:12:53.240 Silence.

01:12:54.880 Then here is your crown,

01:12:57.140 says one as they give him a crown of thorns

01:12:59.880 and press it into his head.

01:13:02.580 He stands before the judge,

01:13:05.060 who could condemn him for no crime.

01:13:07.800 But it is Passover.

01:13:10.100 He says to the crowd,

01:13:11.780 You, you can choose.

01:13:14.180 One I will release.

01:13:16.620 Him as the king of the Jews,

01:13:18.960 or Jesus, standing silent,

01:13:23.080 his eyes to the ground.

01:13:25.320 He is condemned to death.

01:13:28.840 Jesus now carries his cross

01:13:30.840 through the stone-clad streets

01:13:32.640 to the place known as the Skull.

01:13:36.300 The place where he will soon die.

01:13:39.860 His back torn,

01:13:41.420 his head bleeding beneath his thorny crown.

01:13:44.640 The women cry out loud as he passes.

01:13:46.780 He pauses for a moment and comforts them.

01:13:51.460 Do not weep for me.

01:13:54.240 Rather, weep for yourselves.

01:13:58.380 His mother looks on as huge nails

01:14:01.540 are driven through his hands and his feet.

01:14:04.220 They raise the cross and slam it into the ground.

01:14:07.320 It is at this point

01:14:09.780 that all four writers of the gospel

01:14:12.060 struggled with a description of the crucifixion

01:14:15.060 as I have.

01:14:18.420 They described with the only words

01:14:20.680 that I could use.

01:14:22.300 He now hung on the cross

01:14:30.320 as the soldiers bid lots on his clothing below.

01:14:35.080 Next to him,

01:14:36.380 two criminals hang,

01:14:38.580 but they are simply tied to the cross.

01:14:41.000 One of them says,

01:14:43.400 You're the son of God.

01:14:44.900 Save us now.

01:14:46.080 Save all of us.

01:14:47.940 The man in the middle does nothing,

01:14:50.900 for he had a purpose.

01:14:55.100 The afternoon passes.

01:14:57.820 His skin stretched.

01:14:59.880 He wept.

01:15:01.160 He begged for water,

01:15:02.600 and they gave him a sponge on a reed

01:15:04.540 filled with vinegar.

01:15:05.600 In a moment

01:15:07.660 where he showed us

01:15:09.360 that he was truly human,

01:15:11.780 he cried out and said,

01:15:14.540 My father,

01:15:16.100 my father,

01:15:17.300 why have you forsaken me?

01:15:20.940 The sky began to grow dark.

01:15:24.160 It was approaching three o'clock

01:15:26.340 on a Friday afternoon

01:15:28.620 when Jesus,

01:15:31.380 the carpenter from Nazareth,

01:15:33.860 spoke once more

01:15:35.360 and only once.

01:15:38.460 His last words,

01:15:41.700 It

01:15:42.040 is finished.

01:15:46.360 So today,

01:15:48.440 people all over the world

01:15:50.320 do

01:15:51.520 as I do now.

01:15:54.480 I thank that lone carpenter

01:15:57.040 for dying.

01:15:59.980 Dying

01:16:00.900 on that Friday afternoon.

01:16:03.960 So I

01:16:04.540 may live.

01:16:15.820 That's available up at

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01:17:46.200 We'll get to that,

01:17:46.720 of course, on Monday.

01:17:48.160 But I want to tell you

01:17:49.420 I saw Breakthrough last night,

01:17:51.560 that movie.

01:17:52.340 It's out this weekend

01:17:53.120 in theaters.

01:17:53.680 It's a great,

01:17:54.140 like, uplifting,

01:17:55.360 spiritual movie to see

01:17:56.700 on Easter weekend.

01:17:57.660 I'd definitely recommend it.

01:17:59.320 And it's one of these,

01:18:00.140 now they have, like,

01:18:01.060 you know,

01:18:01.680 it's a Christian sort of movie.

01:18:03.440 It's definitely a faith movie.

01:18:05.420 But it has actual, like,

01:18:06.880 actors and actresses

01:18:07.640 you recognize,

01:18:08.740 which is not easy to do.

01:18:11.600 We actually talked to

01:18:12.940 one of the real people

01:18:14.400 behind this.

01:18:14.960 This is a story

01:18:15.580 about a kid,

01:18:16.620 14 years old,

01:18:17.300 falls through ice

01:18:18.240 in the winter

01:18:19.140 in a pond

01:18:20.320 and stays underwater

01:18:21.360 for a long time.

01:18:23.020 And it was out

01:18:23.480 without a pulse

01:18:24.200 for a long time.

01:18:25.960 And we talked to

01:18:26.800 the real kid

01:18:27.680 who, spoiler alert,

01:18:29.360 is alive.

01:18:31.480 It's kind of the point

01:18:32.240 of the movie.

01:18:32.940 We talked to him,

01:18:33.400 his name is John Smith,

01:18:34.200 and his pastor

01:18:34.960 just a couple of weekends ago.

01:18:37.320 Listen to this.

01:18:37.700 I remember, you know,

01:18:39.240 like, what,

01:18:40.060 the ice kind of breaking.

01:18:41.260 I remember that.

01:18:41.960 And, you know,

01:18:42.180 the screams, you know,

01:18:43.060 fighting, you call 911.

01:18:44.280 I don't want to die,

01:18:45.000 call 911.

01:18:46.160 And then, you know,

01:18:46.660 the water, you know,

01:18:47.580 like the water line,

01:18:48.680 you know,

01:18:48.860 seeing above and below

01:18:50.540 how dirty and brown

01:18:52.220 and green and murky

01:18:53.460 that water was.

01:18:54.780 You know,

01:18:55.020 it was like getting

01:18:55.380 in a fight with a tiger.

01:18:56.460 You know,

01:18:56.680 the ice just piercing your skin.

01:18:57.880 I still have scars to this day.

01:18:59.040 So I do remember

01:19:00.020 a very, very good chunk of it.

01:19:02.220 We also pray

01:19:03.080 that he wouldn't remember

01:19:03.940 because it was so traumatic.

01:19:05.680 And so that's one thing

01:19:07.040 he talks about when he was,

01:19:08.300 because people always ask us,

01:19:09.360 did you go to heaven?

01:19:10.080 And, you know, whatever.

01:19:11.260 And we had prayed

01:19:12.280 that he wouldn't remember it

01:19:13.340 because it was so traumatic.

01:19:14.800 Like, I have the 911 calls

01:19:16.020 on my laptop.

01:19:17.060 And I mean,

01:19:17.520 I can barely listen to them.

01:19:18.820 I mean,

01:19:19.020 they're just so intense.

01:19:19.900 And we felt like

01:19:20.680 what God said is,

01:19:21.620 it's not about one person

01:19:22.740 experiencing me.

01:19:23.540 It's about every person

01:19:24.620 that comes in contact

01:19:25.380 with this story

01:19:26.140 experiencing me.

01:19:27.740 And so that's why

01:19:28.580 we feel like God

01:19:29.480 did it that way.

01:19:31.100 So you were,

01:19:32.780 were you,

01:19:33.160 how long were you

01:19:33.900 under water?

01:19:35.120 He was under water

01:19:35.500 for 15 minutes

01:19:36.360 and without an impulse

01:19:37.200 for additional 45.

01:19:38.920 So a little over an hour

01:19:40.460 without a pulse.

01:19:41.940 And so you're there

01:19:42.900 and in the movie,

01:19:44.400 at least,

01:19:45.000 the fireman

01:19:45.900 that is responding.

01:19:47.600 Yes.

01:19:48.000 He goes underneath the water

01:19:49.460 and he can't find you.

01:19:51.180 And then he,

01:19:53.020 he says later in the movie

01:19:55.340 that, you know,

01:19:56.800 he heard a voice

01:19:57.680 say,

01:19:57.940 go back down one more time.

01:19:59.600 Is that true?

01:20:00.580 Yes.

01:20:01.640 Tell me about him.

01:20:02.740 Tell me about what happened.

01:20:03.960 So his name is Tommy Shine.

01:20:05.240 He's part of the

01:20:05.760 Wentzville Fire Department

01:20:06.520 back home in St. Louis, Missouri.

01:20:08.360 And you know,

01:20:08.720 they took,

01:20:09.480 he got the call

01:20:10.300 and they said

01:20:11.300 when he got the call,

01:20:12.240 he sprinted

01:20:12.820 as soon as the truck stopped.

01:20:14.080 Like the truck,

01:20:14.580 the truck hadn't even stopped

01:20:16.340 and he was running

01:20:16.940 to the scene.

01:20:18.000 And he gets out in the water

01:20:18.940 and he has a pike pull,

01:20:20.280 which a pike pull

01:20:20.740 is a long pull

01:20:21.260 with a big hook at the end.

01:20:22.160 Used to tear drywall

01:20:22.800 down in a fire.

01:20:23.500 And by now

01:20:24.820 I'd been underwater

01:20:25.500 for like three minutes.

01:20:26.560 So it's crucial now.

01:20:27.860 He's timing it.

01:20:29.020 I mean,

01:20:29.400 it's do or die.

01:20:30.060 They actually called

01:20:31.120 the dive team in

01:20:32.420 if he couldn't have found me

01:20:34.060 because I was laying

01:20:35.840 on a cliff.

01:20:36.840 I was on a rocky bottom

01:20:38.160 that was 10 feet deep.

01:20:39.340 If I would have went

01:20:39.900 a little bit,

01:20:40.700 maybe an inch over,

01:20:41.700 I would have fallen

01:20:42.480 into where it was

01:20:43.400 20, you know,

01:20:44.700 to 25 feet deep

01:20:45.800 with a muddy bottom.

01:20:46.960 So I'm right on the edge

01:20:47.920 of, you know,

01:20:48.760 this cliff.

01:20:50.080 And so he gets in the water

01:20:51.260 and he's looking for me

01:20:52.180 and he has this pike pull

01:20:53.280 and it's do or die.

01:20:54.760 And he hears a voice,

01:20:56.160 you know,

01:20:56.620 and in real,

01:20:57.760 in the movie,

01:20:58.740 it says go back.

01:20:59.780 But what he's told us

01:21:00.600 is go two feet to the left.

01:21:02.240 And he does,

01:21:03.560 you know,

01:21:03.840 he's checking.

01:21:05.220 He just sticks it down.

01:21:05.940 He's like,

01:21:06.140 I got to do something.

01:21:06.980 So he sticks it down.

01:21:07.920 He's like,

01:21:08.140 it could be a tire.

01:21:08.940 It could be my boot,

01:21:09.980 but he realizes

01:21:10.500 it can't be his boot

01:21:11.300 because it's too deep.

01:21:12.540 So he pulls something up.

01:21:13.820 He knows it's heavy,

01:21:14.520 but he doesn't know

01:21:15.400 what it is.

01:21:15.860 And it's me.

01:21:16.560 He found me.

01:21:17.260 Right at the last minute.

01:21:19.100 I mean,

01:21:19.280 we're short on time here

01:21:21.260 so we can drop the clip,

01:21:22.560 but it is.

01:21:23.680 It's an amazing story.

01:21:24.600 It really is a miracle.

01:21:25.860 It really is.

01:21:26.480 And it's also a miracle

01:21:27.420 they found a child actor

01:21:28.760 who could actually act

01:21:29.620 in one of these movies.

01:21:30.900 I mean,

01:21:31.100 they couldn't even do that

01:21:31.700 for Star Wars episodes.

01:21:33.800 I mean,

01:21:34.040 the kid's playing basketball.

01:21:35.020 It looks like he's actually

01:21:35.960 played basketball before.

01:21:37.240 It's incredible.

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01:22:53.420 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:22:55.620 If you're like me

01:22:56.420 and you're reading

01:22:56.900 their Mueller report

01:22:57.660 and you're trying

01:22:58.500 to get through it

01:22:59.260 and you're not a lawyer,

01:23:00.980 you may not understand

01:23:02.760 all of it.

01:23:03.460 We decided to bring on

01:23:05.020 someone who was

01:23:05.680 actually smart

01:23:06.300 to help us decipher

01:23:07.460 what actually was

01:23:08.600 in the Mueller report,

01:23:09.420 what it means,

01:23:10.560 what's going to happen next,

01:23:12.040 and maybe the biggest mistake

01:23:14.140 or the, I don't know,

01:23:16.940 the biggest incorrect direction,

01:23:20.280 I guess is the way

01:23:20.720 I would say it.

01:23:21.140 It was the wrong focus

01:23:22.260 and the wrong outcome

01:23:23.480 from the Mueller report.

01:23:25.560 And Andy McCarthy,

01:23:26.640 he's from National Review

01:23:28.420 and New York Post,

01:23:29.480 read a great column on this.

01:23:30.780 We're going to get to him

01:23:31.320 in just a second,

01:23:32.760 right after this quick

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01:25:21.820 All right, Andy McCarthy joins us.

01:25:23.880 He's from National Review,

01:25:24.880 also writing for the New York Post

01:25:26.800 on a really interesting column.

01:25:29.240 Andy, welcome to the program.

01:25:30.100 Stu, great to be with you.

01:25:32.200 How are you?

01:25:32.660 Really well, really well.

01:25:33.860 You had an interesting

01:25:34.840 perspective here,

01:25:35.540 and I think it's different

01:25:36.340 than everyone else

01:25:37.780 I've read so far on this case.

01:25:40.040 So far, let's kind of start

01:25:41.460 at the beginning

01:25:41.800 before we get into

01:25:42.480 the specifics

01:25:44.420 of the legal case here.

01:25:46.600 Right.

01:25:46.920 Kind of the two positions

01:25:48.200 you see thrown about

01:25:49.280 is basically

01:25:50.100 the Mueller report came out

01:25:51.220 and it proves

01:25:51.840 he did everything wrong,

01:25:53.360 and the Mueller report

01:25:54.400 came out and it proves

01:25:55.400 that Trump did nothing wrong.

01:25:56.520 So, right off the start,

01:25:59.800 where do you fall

01:26:00.680 in that little range?

01:26:03.720 Well, maybe it's because

01:26:05.220 I was a prosecutor

01:26:06.020 for a long time.

01:26:08.440 I think that it's always

01:26:11.160 a mistake

01:26:12.080 when we read

01:26:14.780 either like a social phenomenon

01:26:18.240 or a political phenomenon

01:26:19.600 as a legal problem

01:26:21.760 to be resolved

01:26:22.560 by a prosecutor,

01:26:23.460 because if that's what

01:26:25.640 you're going to impose

01:26:26.580 on a prosecutor

01:26:27.420 has basically

01:26:29.140 one of two decisions

01:26:30.960 to make.

01:26:31.460 There's either enough evidence

01:26:32.400 to charge

01:26:33.000 or there's not.

01:26:34.800 And when you decide

01:26:36.520 that there's not,

01:26:37.340 that doesn't mean

01:26:37.920 that somebody's been exonerated.

01:26:39.640 It might.

01:26:40.680 You know,

01:26:40.900 sometimes you do

01:26:41.620 an investigation

01:26:42.180 and you find

01:26:43.060 not only that

01:26:43.800 the person you were

01:26:44.940 investigating

01:26:45.500 didn't do it,

01:26:46.840 but that somebody else did.

01:26:48.680 So you know to a certainty

01:26:49.740 that the person

01:26:50.380 is not guilty, right?

01:26:51.360 And then there's other times

01:26:52.940 when you don't charge

01:26:53.800 because you know

01:26:55.140 in your bones

01:26:55.780 that the guy did it,

01:26:57.400 but you just can't prove it.

01:26:59.000 You don't have enough evidence.

01:27:00.740 So you never,

01:27:01.540 prosecutors,

01:27:02.600 unlike Mueller's report,

01:27:04.540 which I regard

01:27:05.340 in this way

01:27:07.280 as more of a

01:27:08.740 spin document

01:27:11.160 than, you know,

01:27:12.440 a prosecutor's document.

01:27:13.680 Prosecutors never say things

01:27:14.960 like we won't exonerate him

01:27:16.700 or we don't exonerate him.

01:27:18.500 You either charge

01:27:19.380 or you don't charge

01:27:20.040 or you don't charge

01:27:20.060 and everything else

01:27:20.740 is gray area.

01:27:21.860 So I wouldn't run

01:27:23.780 with a prosecutor

01:27:24.540 saying I didn't find

01:27:25.960 enough evidence

01:27:26.620 to indict.

01:27:28.300 I wouldn't run from that

01:27:29.440 and say I've been exonerated.

01:27:32.360 And when you look

01:27:33.440 at what's in the reports,

01:27:34.660 too, I don't know.

01:27:35.460 You know,

01:27:35.760 a lot of that

01:27:36.300 is pretty unsavory behavior.

01:27:37.980 Now, none of it's been proved

01:27:39.280 and it's really against

01:27:41.720 the normal protocols

01:27:44.040 of the Justice Department

01:27:45.900 and prosecutors' offices

01:27:47.280 at every level

01:27:48.260 to publish the information

01:27:50.360 about somebody

01:27:51.640 that you don't charge

01:27:53.060 because the rule of the road

01:27:55.380 is if the government's

01:27:56.220 going to charge someone

01:27:57.240 or the government's

01:27:58.340 going to accuse someone

01:27:59.240 of wrongdoing,

01:28:00.260 you have to do it formally

01:28:01.760 so that the person

01:28:03.100 then has the full array

01:28:04.400 of protections

01:28:04.980 that you get

01:28:05.580 under the Constitution

01:28:06.440 to defend yourself.

01:28:08.200 So when the prosecutor

01:28:09.220 goes out and says,

01:28:10.280 here's all the terrible things

01:28:11.720 I know that he did,

01:28:12.640 oh, and by the way,

01:28:13.300 we're not going to charge him,

01:28:14.580 you've really smeared

01:28:15.280 the person

01:28:16.540 and not given them

01:28:17.460 any opportunity

01:28:18.780 to defend themselves

01:28:20.460 and that's not normally

01:28:21.560 what's done.

01:28:22.160 It was done here.

01:28:23.700 I guess politically

01:28:24.520 this report had to come out

01:28:25.920 because there was no alternative,

01:28:28.260 but I don't think it,

01:28:29.740 you know,

01:28:29.980 I think if you're Trump,

01:28:32.360 you want to say thank you

01:28:33.380 and move on,

01:28:34.320 I wouldn't be running around

01:28:35.720 saying I've been exonerated

01:28:37.360 because there's some

01:28:38.120 icky stuff in there.

01:28:39.580 Yeah, and you get into

01:28:40.280 some of that in your column

01:28:41.120 for the New York Post.

01:28:42.060 It's titled

01:28:42.560 Mueller Completely Dropped the Ball

01:28:43.920 with the Obstruction Punt

01:28:44.920 and I want to get into

01:28:45.640 how he dropped the ball.

01:28:47.680 You mentioned his,

01:28:49.460 Trump's interactions,

01:28:51.280 first of all,

01:28:51.660 on the negative side

01:28:52.420 with things like

01:28:54.580 the McGahn situation

01:28:56.420 where he tried to get him fired

01:28:59.280 and then even went beyond that

01:29:01.240 to try to convince him

01:29:02.180 to lie about

01:29:03.280 that he had called him

01:29:04.460 to fire.

01:29:05.980 He tried to get Mueller fired.

01:29:08.040 Yes.

01:29:08.960 You have that,

01:29:09.900 and you also have

01:29:10.860 some interesting perspective

01:29:13.860 on the other side of this

01:29:15.580 because,

01:29:16.820 and I think this ties

01:29:17.980 to the most prominent thing

01:29:19.280 that's come out of this

01:29:20.140 as far as the media goes,

01:29:21.180 which is this statement

01:29:22.120 that Trump makes

01:29:22.840 at one point

01:29:23.300 where he says,

01:29:24.160 this is the end of my presidency,

01:29:25.400 I'm effed

01:29:25.960 now that there's a council.

01:29:27.460 Right.

01:29:27.780 And you point out

01:29:28.360 that the president's frustration

01:29:29.320 wasn't over fear of guilt.

01:29:31.840 That is a really important

01:29:33.420 part of this

01:29:34.160 and I feel like

01:29:35.200 most people

01:29:36.080 have completely ignored it.

01:29:37.660 In fact,

01:29:37.860 cutting that out

01:29:38.620 of the quote

01:29:39.340 that has been

01:29:40.680 proliferated so widely.

01:29:43.240 Yeah,

01:29:43.780 well,

01:29:44.200 you know,

01:29:44.560 it's funny

01:29:45.200 with obstruction cases,

01:29:46.420 you hear a lot

01:29:47.360 in the commentary

01:29:50.240 that

01:29:51.900 if you have an obstruction,

01:29:55.260 that you can't have

01:29:56.760 an obstruction case

01:29:57.600 unless there's

01:29:58.080 an underlying crime.

01:29:59.560 Right.

01:30:00.140 We've heard that again

01:30:01.200 and again

01:30:01.620 for the last few days.

01:30:03.440 And that's,

01:30:04.260 you know,

01:30:04.640 with due respect

01:30:05.340 to some of the people

01:30:06.220 peddling that,

01:30:07.320 it's just wrong.

01:30:08.600 You know,

01:30:08.840 the classic example

01:30:09.840 is Bill Clinton,

01:30:12.880 right?

01:30:13.220 He didn't lie

01:30:14.880 about what went on

01:30:15.740 in the Oval Office

01:30:16.460 because it was a crime.

01:30:18.100 He lied about it

01:30:19.000 because it would have been

01:30:20.180 embarrassing

01:30:20.960 and politically devastating

01:30:22.600 for it to come out.

01:30:23.600 Right.

01:30:23.860 Right.

01:30:24.360 So people lie

01:30:25.360 for all kinds of reasons.

01:30:27.400 But in certain

01:30:28.520 factual contexts,

01:30:30.500 it is true

01:30:31.480 that if there's

01:30:32.620 no underlying crime,

01:30:33.860 then there doesn't

01:30:34.600 really make much sense

01:30:35.740 for why you would

01:30:36.500 want to obstruct

01:30:37.960 the investigation.

01:30:39.500 And this,

01:30:40.020 I think,

01:30:40.260 was one of those situations.

01:30:41.860 And what Trump

01:30:42.660 was concerned about here

01:30:44.020 was not

01:30:45.640 that he would be found

01:30:47.580 to be involved

01:30:48.500 in an espionage

01:30:50.420 conspiracy

01:30:50.920 with Russia

01:30:51.920 involving hacking

01:30:53.420 of Democratic

01:30:54.160 email accounts.

01:30:55.600 I think he was

01:30:56.240 obviously pretty confident

01:30:57.820 that that hadn't happened.

01:30:59.220 but he was concerned

01:31:01.240 about being portrayed

01:31:02.200 as an agent

01:31:04.720 of the Kremlin

01:31:05.360 and about the fact

01:31:06.980 that, you know,

01:31:08.220 when you have

01:31:09.080 a president

01:31:10.040 who's under a cloud

01:31:10.980 of suspicion,

01:31:12.260 it becomes very hard

01:31:13.300 to govern.

01:31:13.900 It becomes hard

01:31:14.600 to recruit good people

01:31:16.580 into the government.

01:31:17.200 Who wants to go work

01:31:18.120 for an administration

01:31:18.840 and you're going to have

01:31:19.400 to lawyer up

01:31:20.280 the next week?

01:31:20.940 You know,

01:31:21.120 it's pretty expensive

01:31:22.120 stuff.

01:31:23.560 So he's compromised

01:31:24.960 in trying to assemble

01:31:26.160 administration.

01:31:26.960 He's compromised

01:31:27.840 in dealing with Congress,

01:31:29.220 foreign governments,

01:31:30.360 you know,

01:31:30.800 you name it.

01:31:32.120 And it's very frustrating.

01:31:33.600 And we all know,

01:31:34.460 I mean,

01:31:34.660 the Lawrence Walsh

01:31:35.500 investigation,

01:31:36.900 that thing went on

01:31:37.660 for about eight years.

01:31:38.920 You know,

01:31:39.160 so we didn't know

01:31:40.020 when this started

01:31:41.300 that Mueller,

01:31:42.040 I think to his credit,

01:31:42.920 was going to wrap it up

01:31:43.840 in 22 months.

01:31:46.600 And I don't know that,

01:31:48.120 because a lot of people,

01:31:48.840 first of all,

01:31:49.240 have been complaining

01:31:49.780 that it was too long.

01:31:50.840 I mean,

01:31:51.060 it's not long

01:31:52.420 for one of these investigations,

01:31:53.840 is it?

01:31:54.060 I mean,

01:31:54.360 these special counsel,

01:31:56.000 special prosecutor

01:31:57.920 sort of investigations

01:31:58.780 go on a lot longer

01:32:00.040 than this sometimes.

01:32:01.720 Yeah,

01:32:01.880 you know what it is,

01:32:02.620 so Stu,

01:32:03.040 while it's going on,

01:32:04.420 it always seems longer.

01:32:05.720 And it's more vicious now

01:32:07.360 than it ever was before.

01:32:09.360 I mean,

01:32:09.600 you know,

01:32:10.240 the stuff that gets said,

01:32:12.120 you know,

01:32:12.640 I have to say,

01:32:13.960 I've been a prosecutor,

01:32:15.260 I was a prosecutor

01:32:16.240 for 20 years,

01:32:18.740 beginning in the 80s.

01:32:20.260 And,

01:32:21.580 you know,

01:32:22.200 the media was,

01:32:22.960 there was a certain tenor

01:32:24.060 in the media,

01:32:24.940 and there was a certain tenor

01:32:26.020 in public discourse,

01:32:27.000 and it can get,

01:32:27.640 it could get nasty,

01:32:28.940 but I,

01:32:29.480 you know,

01:32:30.280 I never have witnessed it

01:32:32.120 as sort of cavalierly

01:32:33.860 vicious

01:32:34.820 as it is now.

01:32:37.140 And I think

01:32:37.940 the result of that

01:32:38.880 is everything seems

01:32:39.800 like it takes longer,

01:32:41.280 because you just want it

01:32:42.040 to be over.

01:32:42.900 Everything seems like

01:32:43.900 it takes longer

01:32:44.500 than it actually does.

01:32:46.140 So as you compare

01:32:48.100 Mueller's investigation

01:32:50.180 to other

01:32:51.580 independent counsel

01:32:52.800 investigations,

01:32:54.400 I think he wrapped

01:32:55.740 it up pretty quickly.

01:32:57.240 I still think

01:32:58.140 he should have,

01:33:00.020 since it was,

01:33:00.660 it had to have been

01:33:01.420 clear to him,

01:33:02.140 I think,

01:33:02.580 by probably

01:33:03.860 autumn of 2017

01:33:05.200 that there was

01:33:06.120 no collusion case.

01:33:07.260 And I think

01:33:08.000 he would have gotten

01:33:08.560 a lot less bad behavior

01:33:10.200 from Trump

01:33:10.980 if they had just

01:33:12.180 put out an interim report

01:33:13.580 at the end of 2017

01:33:15.480 and said,

01:33:16.240 you know,

01:33:16.480 look,

01:33:17.220 this Steele dossier,

01:33:18.360 we've looked at it,

01:33:19.020 we can't corroborate it,

01:33:20.400 we don't really have

01:33:21.420 anything else

01:33:22.080 that indicates

01:33:22.920 there's this dark conspiracy,

01:33:25.120 so we're going to

01:33:26.120 let you know

01:33:26.780 that the president

01:33:27.580 is not a suspect

01:33:29.320 in a collusion

01:33:32.240 conspiracy case

01:33:33.420 with Russia,

01:33:33.900 but we're going to

01:33:34.500 continue to investigate

01:33:35.580 Russia's interference

01:33:36.800 in the election.

01:33:37.720 I think he would have

01:33:38.400 gotten a lot less

01:33:39.180 bad behavior

01:33:39.940 from Trump.

01:33:41.780 That's not to say

01:33:42.640 that Trump has any excuse

01:33:43.780 for behaving badly,

01:33:44.820 but,

01:33:46.000 you know,

01:33:46.560 I think you would have

01:33:48.160 given him

01:33:48.860 less of a motive

01:33:50.280 to be a jerk.

01:33:51.880 Yeah,

01:33:52.060 probably a lot more

01:33:52.860 goodwill from the

01:33:53.500 American people too.

01:33:54.420 I think that

01:33:54.800 it wound up

01:33:55.540 gragging on

01:33:56.160 to most people

01:33:56.900 for so long

01:33:57.820 and it wound up

01:33:59.220 I think just

01:33:59.920 frustrating people.

01:34:00.860 I know that

01:34:01.220 when this thing

01:34:01.700 came out

01:34:02.000 I was like,

01:34:02.300 oh,

01:34:02.460 finally this is

01:34:03.020 going to be over

01:34:03.460 and you realize

01:34:03.960 it's not even

01:34:04.560 close to over,

01:34:05.480 this is going to

01:34:05.860 go on forever.

01:34:07.460 It is.

01:34:08.240 Yeah.

01:34:08.720 So let me take

01:34:09.780 a quick 60 second

01:34:10.620 break here,

01:34:11.360 Andy,

01:34:11.520 and come back with you.

01:34:12.120 I want to get to

01:34:12.980 the part where

01:34:13.540 the biggest way

01:34:15.280 that Mueller

01:34:15.800 dropped the ball

01:34:16.360 on this.

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01:35:44.980 Pause for 10

01:35:45.780 seconds and

01:35:46.280 station ID.

01:35:46.720 speaking with Andy

01:36:06.880 McCarthy from

01:36:07.820 National Review and

01:36:09.180 New York Post.

01:36:09.940 He's got a great

01:36:10.340 column.

01:36:10.760 Mueller completely

01:36:11.680 dropped the ball with

01:36:12.500 the obstruction punt.

01:36:13.460 And if I understand

01:36:15.180 this right, and I'm

01:36:16.160 sure I don't, there

01:36:17.780 are three hurdles

01:36:18.900 essentially you have

01:36:19.760 to clear to make

01:36:20.900 an obstruction claim

01:36:22.380 real, which is an

01:36:24.240 obstructive act, the

01:36:26.040 nexus to an official

01:36:27.420 proceeding, and the

01:36:29.560 intent.

01:36:30.260 Do you have to clear

01:36:30.920 all three of those

01:36:31.800 hurdles for a claim to

01:36:33.200 qualify?

01:36:34.540 Yes, those are what

01:36:36.340 you would call in the

01:36:37.560 prosecutor biz essential

01:36:39.060 elements of the crime,

01:36:40.400 and they're the things

01:36:41.560 that have to be proved

01:36:42.420 beyond a reasonable

01:36:43.180 doubt to convict someone.

01:36:44.840 So two of them are

01:36:45.700 pretty self-explanatory.

01:36:47.400 Obstructive act, you've

01:36:48.140 got to do something that

01:36:48.860 looks like obstruction,

01:36:49.920 and you've got to have

01:36:50.420 the intent to do it to

01:36:51.960 obstruct something.

01:36:53.100 Can you do a quick

01:36:54.100 minute on what do

01:36:56.000 they mean by nexus to

01:36:57.220 an official proceeding?

01:36:58.880 Yeah, it's actually

01:36:59.800 pretty complicated.

01:37:00.820 In the law, Stu, an

01:37:04.560 FBI investigation is

01:37:05.920 not an official

01:37:06.760 proceeding.

01:37:08.220 An official proceeding

01:37:09.720 is like an

01:37:11.040 adjudicative matter.

01:37:13.440 The most common

01:37:14.960 one is a court

01:37:16.880 proceeding, and that's

01:37:18.240 why we always mention

01:37:19.100 we talk about, we

01:37:20.320 don't just say

01:37:20.800 obstruction, we say

01:37:21.540 obstruction of justice,

01:37:22.820 right?

01:37:23.140 The reason we say that

01:37:24.360 is we're talking about

01:37:25.160 judicial proceedings.

01:37:26.780 So the reason that

01:37:27.920 when you obstruct an

01:37:29.840 FBI investigation,

01:37:30.820 investigation, it can

01:37:32.380 be obstruction of

01:37:33.340 justice, is because

01:37:34.820 derivatively you

01:37:36.100 pervert the judicial

01:37:37.560 process down the

01:37:38.560 road.

01:37:38.920 You know, if you

01:37:39.820 pressure a witness

01:37:42.040 to lie, or you

01:37:43.560 destroy evidence

01:37:44.400 before the bureau,

01:37:45.540 the FBI can grab

01:37:48.160 it, it's not that

01:37:50.020 you're perverting

01:37:50.920 their proceeding.

01:37:52.500 That's not what's

01:37:54.020 cognizable under the

01:37:55.080 law.

01:37:55.400 It's that the

01:37:56.140 eventual judicial

01:37:57.180 proceeding can be

01:37:58.920 frustrated, and that's

01:37:59.720 why it's obstruction

01:38:00.460 of justice.

01:38:01.060 And it seems like

01:38:01.720 throughout the

01:38:02.180 Mueller report, they

01:38:02.760 didn't get there on

01:38:03.720 all three, on most of

01:38:05.180 these instances.

01:38:05.820 There's a couple they

01:38:06.600 seem to leave open.

01:38:08.100 But this doesn't get to

01:38:09.260 the real fundamental,

01:38:10.800 biggest problem here that

01:38:11.960 you point out in the

01:38:12.560 column.

01:38:13.360 And it has to do with

01:38:15.040 burden of proof, a

01:38:16.380 real change that I think

01:38:17.720 is not only happening

01:38:18.400 here, but happening all

01:38:19.240 over the place.

01:38:20.240 Can you walk us through

01:38:21.200 what you found?

01:38:23.300 Yeah, you're right about

01:38:24.400 it's happening all over

01:38:25.380 the place.

01:38:25.720 Just listening to Jerry

01:38:27.060 Nadler, the chairman of

01:38:29.420 the House Judiciary

01:38:30.560 Committee yesterday, this

01:38:32.600 is what he honed in on

01:38:33.800 too, and in a way that

01:38:38.060 suggested that this was

01:38:41.240 proper, which is that it

01:38:42.240 was somehow the suspect's

01:38:46.780 burden to prove that he is

01:38:49.580 innocent rather than the

01:38:50.720 government's burden to prove

01:38:51.840 that you're guilty.

01:38:53.520 What Mueller did was he

01:38:56.580 he marshaled what he tells

01:38:58.320 us up front, which I think

01:39:00.280 was really wormy on his

01:39:02.060 part, is that he's not

01:39:04.580 going to make what he

01:39:05.460 called the traditional

01:39:06.440 prosecutorial judgment,

01:39:09.200 which he says, you know,

01:39:10.160 so quaint.

01:39:10.900 He says that's, you know,

01:39:11.740 this binary judgment where

01:39:13.500 you either charge or you

01:39:14.520 don't charge.

01:39:15.280 So he's going to do

01:39:16.100 something new and

01:39:17.000 innovative.

01:39:19.000 He's going to lay out the

01:39:20.320 evidence on both sides

01:39:21.900 and then dump the matter

01:39:24.000 in the Justice Department's

01:39:26.260 lap.

01:39:27.200 And, you know, I thought

01:39:28.460 that was that was really

01:39:30.120 a dereliction on his part

01:39:34.140 because, you know, he was

01:39:37.380 by the time he came into

01:39:38.740 the case, I think it was

01:39:39.580 already pretty clear there

01:39:40.460 was no collusion case.

01:39:42.180 I didn't think we needed a

01:39:43.240 special counsel, but you

01:39:44.700 can only have a special

01:39:45.560 counsel when the Justice

01:39:46.640 Department is conflicted

01:39:48.080 and obstruction is the

01:39:50.540 only thing arguably you

01:39:51.860 needed him to resolve.

01:39:53.440 So what did he do?

01:39:54.420 He didn't resolve the

01:39:55.400 main question.

01:39:56.060 He was brought in to

01:39:56.800 resolve and he dumps it in

01:39:57.820 the lap of the Justice

01:39:58.580 Department, which is

01:39:59.460 supposed to be too

01:40:00.220 conflicted to decide it,

01:40:01.720 which is why we have him

01:40:02.620 in the first place.

01:40:03.280 Right.

01:40:03.620 The whole thing is just

01:40:04.980 is just wrongheaded.

01:40:07.820 But what he does is he

01:40:09.220 says, I'm just going to

01:40:10.040 marshal the evidence on

01:40:11.320 each side.

01:40:12.260 And then at the very end,

01:40:13.760 what I think is really, I

01:40:18.360 want to say partisan, but

01:40:21.280 it's certainly not

01:40:22.040 prosecutorial use of

01:40:24.220 language.

01:40:24.560 He says that we're not

01:40:27.620 confident that there's no

01:40:30.280 crime here.

01:40:30.920 We're not going to charge a

01:40:31.980 crime, but we're not

01:40:33.380 confident that there's no

01:40:34.580 crime and we're not going

01:40:35.720 to exonerate the

01:40:36.940 president.

01:40:37.760 Well, you know, that's not

01:40:39.060 what prosecutors do.

01:40:40.340 Prosecutors either tell you

01:40:41.620 there is enough evidence

01:40:43.260 to charge, in which case

01:40:44.500 you charge or you at the

01:40:47.520 most say we're not going

01:40:48.700 to charge or you say

01:40:49.800 nothing.

01:40:50.520 But if you've if you've

01:40:51.680 basically made a decision

01:40:53.300 not to charge, then you

01:40:56.720 have no business going on

01:40:58.120 to say, but that's not an

01:40:59.200 exoneration.

01:40:59.800 It's for the public to

01:41:00.980 decide whether it's an

01:41:02.200 exoneration or not.

01:41:03.220 That's not the prosecutor's

01:41:04.520 business.

01:41:05.480 But what by doing that,

01:41:07.040 what he does is he says,

01:41:09.180 we're not confident that

01:41:12.440 there wasn't a crime here.

01:41:15.220 And it's his job to prove

01:41:17.860 that there was a crime.

01:41:19.640 It's not President Trump's

01:41:21.020 no matter what you think of

01:41:22.100 President Trump.

01:41:23.180 It's not his job in a

01:41:25.520 legal context.

01:41:26.660 A political context is

01:41:27.880 different, but it's not his

01:41:29.000 job in a legal context to

01:41:31.400 prove his innocence.

01:41:32.640 And I think you're quite

01:41:33.920 right to say that this is

01:41:35.140 something that we see

01:41:36.040 seeping into the society

01:41:40.160 more broadly.

01:41:41.120 This is not just about

01:41:42.080 President Trump.

01:41:43.460 This is this kind of a

01:41:44.400 conceit out there that,

01:41:46.340 you know, the government

01:41:48.700 can now make serious

01:41:50.140 allegations, whether it's

01:41:53.160 in a regulatory context

01:41:54.560 or whatever context they

01:41:55.620 decide to make it in.

01:41:56.840 And then it's somehow the

01:41:57.920 burden on the citizen to

01:41:59.220 prove that he's not guilty

01:42:01.060 of wrongdoing.

01:42:01.820 And I think that's a

01:42:02.860 dangerous road to go

01:42:03.980 down.

01:42:04.640 Yeah.

01:42:04.740 I mean, certainly you

01:42:05.980 see it all the time in

01:42:06.760 the in the court of

01:42:07.500 public opinion, which I

01:42:08.320 know is different, but

01:42:09.100 it's sort of this

01:42:09.600 Kavanaugh standard where

01:42:10.880 it's like, well, we can't

01:42:12.100 prove he wasn't at this

01:42:13.280 party that we can't name

01:42:14.380 where it was.

01:42:15.300 So therefore, you should

01:42:16.560 probably assume he's

01:42:17.580 guilty.

01:42:18.360 And Trump here, I think,

01:42:19.640 really is the victim of

01:42:21.000 this at some level.

01:42:22.220 I do kind of wonder,

01:42:24.000 though, Andy, how does

01:42:24.940 this work?

01:42:25.740 Let's just say they

01:42:26.400 Mueller does his job

01:42:27.580 correctly.

01:42:28.540 Did he do his job

01:42:29.260 correctly?

01:42:29.680 Let's say on on part

01:42:31.020 one, which was the

01:42:32.220 actual collusion where he

01:42:33.540 pretty much exonerates

01:42:35.100 him of any criminal

01:42:36.120 activity there.

01:42:36.880 Is that what he should

01:42:37.680 have done with part two

01:42:38.780 and leave all that

01:42:40.140 evidence in there and

01:42:41.040 then at the end just

01:42:41.900 conclude we did not

01:42:43.340 have enough to charge

01:42:44.380 him, therefore, he is

01:42:46.740 clear of this particular

01:42:48.100 crime?

01:42:48.740 Or does he just not

01:42:50.180 release all of this

01:42:51.060 detail for everyone to

01:42:52.140 have their political fun

01:42:53.160 with?

01:42:54.480 Yeah.

01:42:54.880 See, there's a limit,

01:42:57.540 I think, to how much

01:42:58.720 I'm not a fan of the

01:43:00.480 investigation.

01:43:00.940 I'm not a particular

01:43:01.880 fan of Mueller,

01:43:02.900 although I think he's

01:43:03.580 a scrupulous guy,

01:43:06.040 notwithstanding what

01:43:06.800 I've said up to this

01:43:08.380 point.

01:43:10.160 Well, I mean, I think

01:43:11.460 in general he's had an

01:43:12.540 admirable career.

01:43:13.640 I don't agree with the

01:43:14.540 way he handled this,

01:43:15.560 but...

01:43:16.480 We've got about 30

01:43:17.040 seconds here, Andy,

01:43:17.720 real quick.

01:43:18.420 Yeah.

01:43:19.160 The idea, still, is

01:43:20.300 you're supposed to give

01:43:20.940 a confidential report

01:43:22.020 to the Justice

01:43:22.580 Department and then

01:43:23.480 they decide how much

01:43:24.800 of it to release.

01:43:26.080 But this certainly

01:43:27.000 reads like it was

01:43:27.940 meant for release,

01:43:29.060 and I think it's

01:43:29.760 meant as a roadmap

01:43:30.720 for Congress more

01:43:32.000 than for the Justice

01:43:33.040 Department.

01:43:34.380 Andy McCarthy, the

01:43:35.320 column is in the

01:43:35.900 New York Post.

01:43:36.380 Mueller completely

01:43:36.880 dropped the ball

01:43:37.440 with the obstruction

01:43:38.060 punt.

01:43:38.760 Thanks so much for

01:43:39.320 coming on, Andy.

01:43:40.100 I appreciate it.

01:43:41.820 Thanks, Stu.

01:43:42.520 Yeah, I can always

01:43:42.960 count on Andy because

01:43:43.560 there's so many people

01:43:44.460 that are just like,

01:43:45.080 okay, well, this is

01:43:46.520 my side of the aisle

01:43:47.280 and I'm just going to

01:43:47.920 say exactly what they

01:43:48.740 want to say or the

01:43:49.900 opposite.

01:43:50.500 You can always trust

01:43:51.540 Andy McCarthy to come

01:43:52.440 out and say, hey,

01:43:53.460 this is the actual

01:43:54.160 truth here.

01:43:55.020 And that's why I love

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01:43:57.020 And he's investigating

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01:44:03.100 Andy McCarthy, back with

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01:44:09.240 You're listening to

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01:44:12.180 Ah, I'm doing the

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01:44:16.820 I think he may have

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01:44:18.080 Mueller report and is

01:44:18.780 in a lot of trouble.

01:44:19.520 We don't know the

01:44:20.120 truth on that one.

01:44:20.820 We may never know.

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01:45:27.340 All right, we've got more

01:45:28.260 coming up here on the

01:45:29.140 other side of the break.

01:45:31.260 We have still more on

01:45:32.320 Mueller to go and a crazy

01:45:35.520 story you're not going to

01:45:36.300 believe.

01:45:38.420 It's due in for Glenn on

01:45:39.440 the Glenn Beck program.

01:45:40.440 He's out sick, should be

01:45:41.320 back on Monday unless, you

01:45:43.360 know, the Mueller report

01:45:43.960 gets him.

01:45:44.720 We don't know on that one.

01:45:46.520 USA Today has an

01:45:47.140 interesting story and I

01:45:48.280 swear this is the, this is

01:45:50.200 the thing that we keep

01:45:51.940 forgetting about the

01:45:53.040 Mueller report.

01:45:54.160 And I am going to be

01:45:55.260 really super happy if we

01:45:56.940 can get to a point in

01:45:58.180 which we're not talking

01:45:58.880 about the Mueller

01:45:59.320 report, although I

01:46:00.320 believe it's going to

01:46:01.100 dominate our lives for

01:46:02.260 many, many years to come,

01:46:03.820 unfortunately.

01:46:05.480 But there's this story

01:46:06.600 about, if you, the kind

01:46:08.020 of this narrative in the

01:46:09.100 media about the Mueller

01:46:10.800 report, which is, this is

01:46:13.380 a thing about Donald Trump

01:46:14.540 and what he did right or

01:46:15.400 wrong, right?

01:46:16.380 Like, did Donald Trump

01:46:17.320 commit crimes?

01:46:18.140 Did Donald Trump lie?

01:46:19.300 Did Donald Trump obstruct

01:46:20.180 justice?

01:46:20.860 Did Donald Trump, did

01:46:21.620 Donald Trump, did

01:46:22.180 Donald Trump, and it

01:46:22.780 fits exactly with what

01:46:24.800 the media does with

01:46:26.160 every other story.

01:46:27.840 When McDonald's releases

01:46:29.520 a new McGriddle flavor,

01:46:31.600 they somehow turn that

01:46:32.880 into a Donald Trump

01:46:33.640 story.

01:46:34.420 That's just what they do.

01:46:35.780 It's constant.

01:46:36.800 And I swear that it's

01:46:38.980 not the obsession with

01:46:41.200 Trump that is, is the

01:46:44.800 focus of the problems,

01:46:46.600 you know, the conservative

01:46:47.560 critique of the media

01:46:48.980 that often.

01:46:50.160 It's more of the bias.

01:46:51.520 And the bias is

01:46:52.140 absolutely there.

01:46:53.700 There's incredible bias

01:46:55.320 against Trump and

01:46:56.700 Republicans in general,

01:46:57.780 and we all know that.

01:46:59.340 But the difference, I

01:47:00.260 think, with Trump is not

01:47:01.260 necessarily the bias, it's

01:47:02.740 the obsession.

01:47:04.040 They cannot stop talking

01:47:06.080 about him.

01:47:07.000 Every single story has to

01:47:09.380 come back to Donald Trump

01:47:10.700 every single time.

01:47:11.800 And sometimes, you know,

01:47:12.840 things just occur in the

01:47:14.660 world that, you know,

01:47:16.120 don't have to lead to

01:47:17.280 Donald Trump's

01:47:17.820 impeachment.

01:47:18.140 I know this sounds

01:47:19.440 shocking to many in the

01:47:21.820 media, but not every

01:47:23.420 story is about that.

01:47:24.580 And the Mueller

01:47:25.440 investigation, while,

01:47:27.080 yes, there are obviously

01:47:28.620 parts of this that relate

01:47:30.440 to Donald Trump, and

01:47:31.280 we've got thousands and

01:47:32.360 thousands of words on

01:47:33.420 448 pages, largely

01:47:35.840 talking about Donald

01:47:37.180 Trump and what Donald

01:47:38.500 Trump did and what his

01:47:39.700 people in his campaign

01:47:40.700 did and what Donald

01:47:41.760 Trump said to them about

01:47:42.700 it.

01:47:43.260 And I know that's going

01:47:43.880 to be the focus of the

01:47:44.560 media.

01:47:45.120 However, the title of the

01:47:45.940 report says where the

01:47:47.380 focus should be.

01:47:48.140 Report on the

01:47:48.940 investigation into Russian

01:47:50.020 interference into the

01:47:51.080 2016 presidential election.

01:47:53.420 A small slice of that,

01:47:54.680 which he was cleared of,

01:47:56.800 was the investigation into

01:47:58.060 Donald Trump and whether

01:47:59.060 people in his campaign

01:48:00.400 dealt with, you know,

01:48:02.860 knowingly colluded or

01:48:05.940 coordinated with Russian

01:48:08.080 officials to affect the

01:48:09.220 election.

01:48:09.520 And as you know, Mueller

01:48:11.200 report came out on that

01:48:12.040 part and was like, no,

01:48:13.440 didn't really happen.

01:48:14.700 You know, there's certain

01:48:15.340 things here that are

01:48:16.340 that are questionable.

01:48:18.400 There's certain things that

01:48:19.540 we don't love.

01:48:20.440 But generally speaking,

01:48:21.340 there's not even close to

01:48:22.180 an amount of evidence to

01:48:23.480 bring a criminal charge on

01:48:25.420 this.

01:48:25.680 There's just nothing there.

01:48:26.720 Part one, the reason you're

01:48:29.100 not hearing about part one,

01:48:30.280 the reason you're not hearing

01:48:31.060 about collusion anymore is

01:48:33.440 because part one came up to

01:48:35.000 be basically good for Trump.

01:48:37.780 He didn't, he didn't do

01:48:38.640 anything wrong.

01:48:39.200 And the entire time,

01:48:40.260 seemingly, of course, he

01:48:41.120 knew he didn't do things

01:48:42.360 wrong on this, which is

01:48:43.640 probably why he was

01:48:44.420 frustrated and got into

01:48:45.400 some problems with

01:48:47.360 obstruction of justice.

01:48:48.880 That doesn't clear him

01:48:49.840 from any of those things.

01:48:50.840 But you've looked at the

01:48:51.940 report and you've heard

01:48:52.500 these things enough.

01:48:53.880 More importantly is this

01:48:55.060 report they released

01:48:55.900 months ago about

01:48:57.180 indicting 25 Russians

01:48:58.520 where they actually looked

01:48:59.760 at the ways Russians were

01:49:01.360 trying to influence the

01:49:02.280 election.

01:49:02.980 There's a story in USA Today

01:49:03.860 that kind of highlights this

01:49:05.280 and tries to remind the

01:49:07.960 media and the American

01:49:08.860 people that, yeah, Russia

01:49:11.140 is actually the focus of

01:49:12.460 this.

01:49:13.180 Let's just say Trump's

01:49:14.740 people did work with the

01:49:16.680 Russians to affect the

01:49:18.060 elections.

01:49:19.380 Certainly, Trump would be a

01:49:20.560 focus of that.

01:49:21.560 But you know what else

01:49:22.120 would be a focus is the

01:49:22.960 fact that the Russians

01:49:23.980 were trying to do it,

01:49:25.220 right?

01:49:25.340 Like, that's a big deal.

01:49:27.120 In this case, the Russians

01:49:28.260 did many times try to work

01:49:30.440 with the Trump

01:49:31.680 administration and largely

01:49:32.580 came up empty.

01:49:33.460 I mean, nothing, they

01:49:34.360 didn't come up with

01:49:34.920 anything.

01:49:36.100 There was a defense against

01:49:37.900 political and press sort of

01:49:39.580 arguments that Trump got

01:49:40.560 into some trouble with,

01:49:41.460 but the collusion thing,

01:49:42.500 it just didn't happen.

01:49:44.640 A lot of people are

01:49:45.720 talking now about Trump

01:49:48.400 and they're just ignoring

01:49:49.480 the Russia part of this.

01:49:51.920 This, Eric O'Neill writes,

01:49:53.340 letting partisanship get in

01:49:54.340 the way of acknowledging the

01:49:55.540 fact that Russia is actually,

01:49:57.320 you know, a big force in this

01:49:58.920 whole situation, is dangerous.

01:50:01.460 Russia sought to undermine

01:50:02.440 our election system the same

01:50:03.780 way they've spread

01:50:04.780 disinformation since the Cold

01:50:06.480 War.

01:50:06.820 They didn't need help from

01:50:08.480 Trump and his campaign to do

01:50:10.280 so in 2016 and they won't

01:50:11.760 need it in 2020 either.

01:50:13.940 The 2016 attacks on the

01:50:15.220 Democratic National Committee

01:50:16.220 and the Hillary Clinton

01:50:17.600 campaign were a modern take

01:50:18.980 on an old Soviet tactic to

01:50:21.360 influence and undermine

01:50:22.400 elections and the political

01:50:23.860 process of rival nations.

01:50:25.800 Some of these stories are just

01:50:28.320 unbelievable.

01:50:29.820 During the Cold War, the

01:50:31.020 Soviet Union pioneered

01:50:32.300 disinformation practices that

01:50:34.280 spread this disinformation in

01:50:36.620 order to take shape and to

01:50:39.460 shape American political

01:50:40.620 decisions.

01:50:42.280 These active measure, these

01:50:44.460 active measures included

01:50:45.400 manipulation of the media, the

01:50:47.980 use of front organizations to

01:50:49.420 sway public opinion, kidnappings,

01:50:52.140 which is really, I kind of

01:50:53.040 escalated that one, and funds and

01:50:55.120 training and such, plus support to

01:50:56.840 terrorist organizations.

01:50:57.620 In 1980, the CIA estimated that

01:51:00.020 the Soviets spent a conservative

01:51:01.680 $3 billion a year pursuing these

01:51:05.640 active measures.

01:51:07.080 That's a lot of money.

01:51:08.900 In 1980 to today, there's been a

01:51:11.320 lot of inflation that's gone on

01:51:12.540 as well.

01:51:13.200 And this is probably at least

01:51:14.300 part of the reason why the

01:51:15.200 Soviet kind of went out of

01:51:16.420 business.

01:51:16.820 I mean, you're spending $3

01:51:17.440 billion a year to affect other

01:51:18.700 people's elections, but it's no

01:51:19.880 longer that expensive.

01:51:22.660 It's a lot cheaper to do now.

01:51:24.240 Listen to some of the things

01:51:25.200 they've tried in the past,

01:51:26.080 though.

01:51:26.160 These are insane.

01:51:27.140 One involves spreading rumors of

01:51:28.660 CIA and FBI involvement in

01:51:30.340 President John F. Kennedy's

01:51:31.460 assassination.

01:51:32.580 Now, maybe you've heard of that

01:51:33.740 one, but it's interesting that a

01:51:35.360 lot of the things about the JFK

01:51:37.860 assassination, a lot of the

01:51:40.020 conspiracy theories, were

01:51:41.000 actually started by Russian

01:51:42.880 propaganda initially.

01:51:44.520 And they were able to spread

01:51:45.360 that around the country, and it

01:51:47.580 took years and years and years

01:51:48.880 before we actually realized that's

01:51:50.520 where it came from.

01:51:51.980 But that's where it came from.

01:51:53.960 And this comes from, you know,

01:51:56.640 some newly unearthed, in the last

01:51:59.460 10 years, unearthed documents from

01:52:01.140 the former Soviet Union.

01:52:02.580 Another seeded foreign newspapers

01:52:04.480 with articles purportedly written

01:52:06.360 by American scientists claiming

01:52:08.660 that AIDS was a result of the

01:52:11.700 Pentagon's experiments to develop

01:52:13.760 biological weapons.

01:52:15.640 So the Soviets are writing op-eds as

01:52:18.820 American doctors and saying, you

01:52:20.400 know, AIDS, and this is also the

01:52:21.920 other part of this, is AIDS was

01:52:23.580 created by the government to kill

01:52:25.020 black people.

01:52:26.060 This is a big, this is like

01:52:27.360 something that, like, Kanye West

01:52:28.700 believed.

01:52:29.800 And, you know, back in the day

01:52:31.240 when he didn't like Bush, I guess

01:52:32.940 now he likes Trump, I don't know

01:52:33.900 what he believes now.

01:52:34.880 But this has been a long-term sort

01:52:37.060 of left-wing conspiracy theory, and

01:52:39.300 you saw it show itself a lot during,

01:52:42.540 you know, the Jeremiah Wright era.

01:52:45.280 Jeremiah Wright preached about this,

01:52:47.900 claimed that the government created

01:52:49.920 AIDS to kill black people.

01:52:52.820 Well, the Soviets planted this, this

01:52:57.240 rumor, this idea initially, and the

01:52:59.400 idea was that it was part of a

01:53:01.300 biological weapon program, not just

01:53:03.760 from the Soviets to kill black

01:53:05.040 people, but to kill anybody else.

01:53:06.440 It was part of their, our defense

01:53:07.920 department, and that AIDS was a

01:53:09.700 disease we created.

01:53:10.960 Of course, obviously not true, but

01:53:13.060 this came from Russian Soviet

01:53:16.220 propaganda.

01:53:18.240 Or how about this one?

01:53:19.200 And in 1984, if you remember 1980, the

01:53:22.940 administration, Carter boycotts the

01:53:26.500 1980 Moscow Olympics.

01:53:29.420 So, 1984, obviously the Soviets boycott

01:53:32.560 the Los Angeles Olympics, but they were

01:53:34.600 not, they were not okay with just

01:53:36.500 boycotting.

01:53:38.060 Instead, during the 1984 Summer Olympics

01:53:41.220 in Los Angeles, KGB spies in Washington,

01:53:43.800 D.C. sent fake letters from the Ku Klux

01:53:47.020 Klan threatening athletes from African

01:53:50.980 countries.

01:53:53.720 I mean, this is bizarre.

01:53:56.560 And they were going to these lengths

01:53:57.860 decades ago.

01:53:59.100 What are they doing now with social

01:54:00.580 networks and all of the rest?

01:54:02.820 In October 2018, the Justice Department

01:54:04.500 indicted seven Russian intelligence

01:54:05.960 officers for launching cyber attacks

01:54:07.720 against international anti-doping

01:54:09.320 agencies and individual athletes.

01:54:11.520 They compromised the medical

01:54:13.140 information of 250 athletes from 30

01:54:15.740 countries, including gymnast, Simone, I

01:54:18.960 don't know, Simone Biles, right?

01:54:20.820 I don't know.

01:54:21.600 I'm not a gym.

01:54:22.220 I'm not a gymnastics fan, but I do

01:54:23.860 know Serena and Venus Williams and

01:54:25.600 they were compromised as well.

01:54:27.100 And they've been doing these things

01:54:28.800 when they want to get their way.

01:54:31.300 They utilize tactics like this to

01:54:34.600 manipulate the public, to manipulate

01:54:36.500 public perception.

01:54:37.540 And to try to move American public

01:54:41.500 opinion.

01:54:42.400 So these risks are real.

01:54:45.180 You know, posting a couple of memes

01:54:46.520 on the internet is, you know, that

01:54:48.180 stuff, a lot of that has been really

01:54:49.760 overblown.

01:54:50.400 The impact on that, it's minimal.

01:54:52.460 But they did a lot of other things as

01:54:54.200 well.

01:54:55.000 These hacks were a legitimate problem.

01:54:58.220 And it didn't have anything to do with

01:55:00.380 Donald Trump.

01:55:01.220 I mean, you know, that is a, it's a

01:55:04.360 sideshow.

01:55:05.240 The media wants to make this

01:55:07.280 completely about Donald Trump because

01:55:08.920 that is their obsession.

01:55:10.060 It's all they care about.

01:55:11.580 But I don't know about you.

01:55:12.840 I care about the country and I care

01:55:14.360 about a foreign power trying to

01:55:16.860 influence our elections.

01:55:17.960 Russia is a legit danger.

01:55:20.580 You know, Vlad, I know he seems like

01:55:22.200 a nice guy when he's riding the horse

01:55:24.180 without his shirt on.

01:55:25.520 I mean, he seems like a hunk and the

01:55:27.740 type of guy you just love to find on

01:55:29.520 Tinder.

01:55:30.580 But I got to say it, he's not a good

01:55:32.440 guy.

01:55:32.660 And the idea that we can have a

01:55:35.260 report like this that really does

01:55:36.500 detail what they tried to do, not the

01:55:38.400 Mueller report released yesterday, but

01:55:39.680 the one from several months ago goes

01:55:41.120 into incredible detail, including IP

01:55:44.500 addresses and Bitcoin transactions and

01:55:46.380 all these really intricate details to

01:55:48.960 show what Russia was doing.

01:55:50.680 That's the value here.

01:55:51.800 So we did get some value out of the

01:55:53.240 Mueller report.

01:55:54.240 It was the Democrats, the media, some

01:55:56.900 even on the right that tried to make

01:55:58.660 this into some partisan circus rather

01:56:00.440 than focusing on the real issue

01:56:02.540 here, which again, it's a report on

01:56:06.040 the investigation into Russian

01:56:07.540 interference into the election.

01:56:09.300 It's not a report on, you know, how

01:56:12.100 much can we ding Donald Trump's

01:56:13.980 approval rating?

01:56:15.420 And unfortunately, that's been lost.

01:56:17.720 Hopefully our intelligence sources and

01:56:21.280 our intelligence apparatus are focusing on

01:56:23.480 the right things here and not the circus.

01:56:26.060 Because I can't take, I can't take

01:56:29.780 another day of the circus.

01:56:31.100 The circus is, you know, I mean, I just

01:56:34.180 will it ever end?

01:56:36.100 And you know what?

01:56:36.660 Democrats are going to take this

01:56:37.640 report.

01:56:38.040 They're going to pick it apart.

01:56:39.320 They're going to take every little

01:56:40.200 strand and thread that they can come to

01:56:42.080 and they're going to investigate it.

01:56:43.460 And you're never going to hear the

01:56:46.560 end of it.

01:56:47.400 So prepare yourself.

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01:58:19.280 But once again, we should underline

01:58:22.060 the Mueller report, two years and

01:58:24.900 countless hours, has concluded that

01:58:27.800 there was no criminal conspiracy between

01:58:30.700 members of the Trump team and the

01:58:32.540 Russian government, which ultimately

01:58:34.560 does clear them on the most important

01:58:37.480 part of this and is good news.

01:58:39.800 It's great news for the country that

01:58:41.280 the President of the United States and

01:58:42.660 the people around him were not actually

01:58:44.260 colluding with an adversary.

01:58:46.820 But for anyone to read these two volumes

01:58:48.840 and say this is a clean bill of health

01:58:50.720 is...

01:58:51.320 Or that the President is completely

01:58:53.540 exonerated and that, you know,

01:58:56.100 exonerated on obstruction of justice,

01:58:58.280 no obstruction.

01:58:59.460 That's not true.

01:59:00.160 That you can't say.

01:59:01.340 It's Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper.

01:59:03.260 I mean, I give him a lot of credit because

01:59:04.520 I'm the only people I actually saw in the

01:59:06.140 media noting that the most important part

01:59:08.860 of this he was, you know, exonerated on

01:59:11.280 largely and, you know, this is good news

01:59:14.400 for the country.

01:59:15.020 We should all be actually happy.

01:59:16.160 You see the depression of the blue

01:59:17.860 check marks on Twitter as the Mueller

01:59:20.260 report didn't give them what they

01:59:21.260 wanted.

01:59:21.660 What they want should be that the

01:59:23.920 President did not collude with an

01:59:25.500 adversary and that part we actually

01:59:27.400 got.

01:59:28.540 To look at what they said at the end

01:59:30.620 there, it goes back to what Andy

01:59:32.180 McCarthy said.

01:59:32.980 If you didn't hear that interview, it

01:59:34.240 happened earlier this hour.

01:59:35.720 The Mueller report does not completely

01:59:36.980 exonerate Trump of obstruction of

01:59:40.140 justice.

01:59:41.000 However, that is not a legal standard.

01:59:43.760 Our system of government and our system

01:59:46.060 of justice is supposed to require guilt

01:59:49.380 beyond a reasonable doubt, not can you be

01:59:52.400 completely exonerated of everything.

01:59:54.720 That is not the way we're doing this.

01:59:56.280 And, you know, this is the Kavanaugh

01:59:57.720 standard in action.

02:00:00.700 Brett Kavanaugh, we can't completely

02:00:03.520 exonerate him from being at a party when

02:00:06.340 he was 17 years old in a location that no

02:00:10.100 one can remember in a year that no one can

02:00:12.240 remember.

02:00:12.920 We can't completely say none of us were

02:00:14.960 there.

02:00:15.640 We can't completely say with 100% certitude

02:00:18.700 he didn't do these things.

02:00:20.080 Therefore, he shouldn't go on the Supreme

02:00:21.540 Court.

02:00:22.680 This new standard of behavior is not okay.

02:00:27.300 And Mueller here, I mean, because a lot

02:00:29.520 of people would say when we were bringing

02:00:30.700 those points up about Kavanaugh, they would

02:00:32.220 say, well, I mean, look, that's illegal.

02:00:35.080 That's not a legal standard.

02:00:35.800 This is a court of public opinion and they

02:00:37.300 have a different standard.

02:00:38.520 Well, okay, maybe.

02:00:39.640 But here, this is a legal standard.

02:00:41.760 And the idea that we're talking about

02:00:43.320 someone not being completely exonerated,

02:00:46.600 we're doing it wrong, guys.

02:00:48.360 This is backwards.

02:00:51.040 Here's Mary Catherine Hamm.

02:00:52.680 She's on CNN.

02:00:53.500 And man, if this point is not 100% accurate,

02:00:58.920 I don't know what is.

02:01:00.140 They found no evidence or insufficient evidence

02:01:02.080 of conspiracy.

02:01:03.520 Right.

02:01:03.840 Look, I hope nobody missed leg day because

02:01:06.860 carrying these goalposts, they're going to

02:01:08.780 be very heavy if you want to do it for the

02:01:10.460 next 18 months.

02:01:11.880 Because the idea of coalescing, that the

02:01:14.460 idea of collusion, which everyone we all

02:01:17.720 know used for two years as a shorthand for

02:01:19.880 a conspiracy in a large criminal sense, the

02:01:24.380 idea that we did not use that for that and

02:01:27.480 that that conclusion does not matter and

02:01:29.060 that therefore it's like somehow improper

02:01:30.600 to point out that there was no collusion as

02:01:32.740 we meant it for the last two years, I think,

02:01:36.220 is an operation in gaslighting.

02:01:39.260 There was no collusion.

02:01:40.800 It is good news.

02:01:42.200 It's great news he wasn't a foreign asset.

02:01:44.280 That's a big deal.

02:01:45.340 And you got to make sure you don't miss the

02:01:46.700 leg day because carrying the goalposts will

02:01:49.760 be a problem for the media coming up.

02:01:51.940 And I think we've learned a lot this week.

02:01:54.620 We've learned a lot about what's important

02:01:57.080 and what isn't.

02:01:58.220 And so hopefully this weekend, Easter weekend,

02:02:00.900 you can embrace your faith if you have it.

02:02:03.980 Embrace your kids if you have them.

02:02:05.760 If not, I mean, Taco Bell's always open.

02:02:07.760 So there's always something good about the

02:02:10.120 weekend.

02:02:11.040 Enjoy it.

02:02:11.700 Glenn will be back on Monday.

02:02:12.800 It's Stu in for Glenn on the Glenn Beck

02:02:14.700 program.

02:02:15.000 Happy Easter.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 19, 2019

It's Just Best To Move On？｜ Guest： Andy McCarthy ｜ 4⧸19⧸19

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