The Glenn Beck Program - 'Leading Libertarian'？

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00:00:08.760 Glenn Beck.

00:00:10.660 It's Monday, October 22nd.

00:00:13.320 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:15.720 All right.

00:00:16.880 Hello, America.

00:00:18.560 Welcome to the program.

00:00:20.460 Election just a few weeks away.

00:00:25.020 And I'm afraid that both sides could become complacent.

00:00:30.000 Because both sides now are revved up, unlike we've ever seen before.

00:00:35.700 It's all going to be about turnout.

00:00:39.240 Who actually, when the day comes, says, yeah, I'm going to go vote.

00:00:45.060 And how many are just revved up now for, you know, valid reasons, but then say, eh, I, you know, speaking out is enough and not going out to vote.

00:00:59.480 It's interesting because we've seen these turnout numbers.

00:01:04.380 Generally, they've been applying lately to presidential elections.

00:01:08.180 Since 2000, we've seen a massive jump in the amount of people who are super passionate and paying attention at high levels to presidential campaigns.

00:01:18.620 That's certainly what happened with Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

00:01:22.940 And it's also one of the things we've noticed is in the off years, that doesn't happen all that much.

00:01:29.400 But midterm elections do not seem to inspire, particularly among Democrats recently, the amount of passion that has been coming from the right.

00:01:39.860 You remember 2010, the Tea Party wave, the biggest wave election in a century, basically.

00:01:45.280 2014 was also a little mini, you know, sort of Tea Party related wave where the candidates weren't maybe as much Tea Party, but they were still a pretty strong year for Republicans in 2014.

00:01:56.260 In 2006, you saw the opposite.

00:01:58.540 You saw Democrats in the last years of the Bush administration have a really strong midterm in 2006.

00:02:04.740 But, you know, generally speaking, people aren't as passionate.

00:02:07.360 The numbers, however, for this midterm election are off the charts.

00:02:11.780 And it's interesting, Glenn was pointing out before the show that when Barack Obama was a sort of celebrity presidential candidate and he would have these huge rallies in 2008.

00:02:23.500 And you remember the one in Denver.

00:02:24.980 I mean, he was the first one.

00:02:26.000 He was a god.

00:02:26.440 He was a rock.

00:02:27.140 It was like watching U2.

00:02:29.800 Right.

00:02:30.300 It's like, remember the Roman.

00:02:31.800 Yeah.

00:02:32.100 Yeah.

00:02:32.380 It was literally like a rock star.

00:02:35.040 Yeah.

00:02:35.180 And then it just disappeared.

00:02:37.000 And if you remember, by midterms, you had these huge turnouts in the street, but no one was going to see the president in those stadiums and arenas.

00:02:48.880 They still would book the arena.

00:02:50.700 But I remember distinctly covering them saying, turn the camera around.

00:02:56.840 And they were half empty rooms.

00:02:59.500 Yeah.

00:02:59.940 The passion was gone.

00:03:00.980 Gone.

00:03:01.700 We are not seeing that with Trump.

00:03:03.280 I mean, these rallies seem to be as well attended as they were during the campaign.

00:03:06.700 If not more so.

00:03:07.700 Sometimes more so.

00:03:08.700 Right.

00:03:09.020 There's supposed to be a huge one here, I think, for Ted Cruz tonight.

00:03:12.160 They are.

00:03:12.740 They've already they've camped out overnight.

00:03:15.680 The line to the stadium is blocks long.

00:03:19.700 Yeah.

00:03:19.960 And people have camped out overnight.

00:03:21.980 So there's no drop in the passion seemingly among Republicans.

00:03:26.260 And the same thing seems to be happening with Democrats as much as it is a positive for for Republicans to keep those crowds.

00:03:35.580 One of the reasons why people are passionate is because the other side is so passionate and we're seeing we're going to see go through some of that mob stuff that's going on right now with Republicans.

00:03:43.900 But the numbers are interesting on this.

00:03:46.140 If you look at the passion among Republicans and Democrats, you kind of can see what happened in the election.

00:03:54.420 Again, we talked about 2006 big win for Democrats.

00:03:57.580 Well, when we went into that election, 69 percent of Democrats said they had the highest levels of interest in the election.

00:04:04.800 Sixty nine percent Republicans.

00:04:06.020 It was only 56 percent and Republicans got smoked.

00:04:08.940 2010, you had a 66 percent Republican percentage of people who were really interested in the election.

00:04:16.920 Only forty nine percent of Democrats.

00:04:19.080 Democrats got smoked.

00:04:20.860 You said the same thing.

00:04:21.980 2014.

00:04:22.800 Remember, Democrats got smoked again.

00:04:24.320 Their Republicans.

00:04:25.540 Fifty nine percent said they were really interested.

00:04:28.540 Only forty eight percent of Democrats said that.

00:04:31.200 And what's interesting is leading up to, I would say, Brett Kavanaugh, you had the same type of thing playing out again in this time in favor of the Democrats.

00:04:44.080 It started to look a lot like 2006.

00:04:47.000 So up until Kavanaugh, you had 63 percent of Democrats, highest levels of interest in the election.

00:04:54.100 Republicans was only 53 percent.

00:04:55.540 So that is, you know, a big it's the type of gap that leads you to lose the Senate and lose the House or at least makes it possible since Kavanaugh.

00:05:05.960 That has changed.

00:05:07.420 Democrats have gone up from 63 to 72 percent.

00:05:12.280 Holy cow.

00:05:12.840 72 is the highest number for any party in all of these elections.

00:05:17.000 However, Republicans have jumped a higher percentage point basis from 53 to 68.

00:05:23.740 So now we have a basically a balance, a very close within the margin of error separation.

00:05:30.960 And both of those numbers, 68, would be the second highest level of interest of all of these elections.

00:05:37.020 So the Democrats are at 72.

00:05:38.820 Republicans are 68.

00:05:40.180 Both of those numbers are the highest of any of these elections going back to 2006 midterms.

00:05:46.760 And I mean, which is which is crazy.

00:05:49.260 It is a we there's a level here that we don't know what's going to happen.

00:05:55.420 This is this is like, you know, this is territory that has not been seen before.

00:06:00.540 And, you know, while you can look at the polls and you can see the polls, as we've talked about over the past couple of weeks, relatively are relatively pointing towards a Republican victory in the Senate where they maybe pick up a couple of seats.

00:06:15.080 And a Republican loss in the House where they would lose a couple of seats.

00:06:19.500 There is a you know, if you want to look at the kind of the optimistic way of looking at the House right now to show you how close this is.

00:06:24.900 If Republicans were to sweep the races they are favored in, OK, that's that it's not going to happen.

00:06:31.320 It never happens.

00:06:31.880 But just kind of generally for understanding, if they would be able to sweep all of the races they're favored in and they will be able to win all of the races that they trail by one point.

00:06:43.080 So all of these races are either victories or toss ups, right?

00:06:47.780 I mean, they could go either way.

00:06:48.860 But if they were to sweep all of those Republicans still hold the House at 220 to 215.

00:06:54.940 Now, the problem is the idea that they're going to sweep all those races is we know that's not going to happen.

00:07:01.460 It never happens.

00:07:02.580 The other thing is they will win some races where they're underdogs by more than one point.

00:07:06.040 They will win some when they're down by five in the polls.

00:07:08.580 They'll wind up winning some of those races.

00:07:10.140 So the split is going to be important here.

00:07:11.920 But just that gets them only to 220 to 215, which is a I think they lose.

00:07:17.600 That's them losing 10 seats from where they are now, but also a very narrow majority to the point where some conservative things could be derailed by just, you know, your generic moderate House member that you've never heard their name before when they decide they're going to vote against the president.

00:07:33.460 So it's an interesting way of looking at it.

00:07:37.200 And it shows that this really could go either way.

00:07:39.620 I mean, when they say that there's about a 20% chance the Republicans lose the Senate and about a 20% chance the Republicans win the House.

00:07:48.000 That's the way that these models are all kind of looking at it.

00:07:50.920 20% is one in five, right?

00:07:53.400 So it is very possible that one of these things could happen.

00:07:57.140 But right now it looks like those are going to wind up getting split.

00:08:00.280 And then, of course, even though you're not going to be able to pass Democratic bills because they would either get vetoed or overturned in the House, you're still going to have investigative power, you're going to have subpoena power, you're going to have impeachment talks.

00:08:09.240 Oh, it's a nightmare.

00:08:10.020 It's a nightmare if they get the House.

00:08:13.300 It's a nightmare.

00:08:13.940 Okay, so here's what I found interesting.

00:08:18.080 In watching the news and watching just the flow of it, have you noticed that, you know, places like the Atlantic and the Times and the Post are now starting to publish stories about, you know, it's an uphill battle to win some of these races in the House.

00:08:40.360 It's an uphill battle.

00:08:41.460 Well, they have changed their tone from, you know, an absolute positive, oh, we're on a blue wave to now almost laying the foundation of, yeah, we lost.

00:08:57.240 But it was, you know, it was really kind of a long shot anyway.

00:09:00.820 Yeah.

00:09:01.040 I mean, that's how badly I think the Kavanaugh thing has backfired on them.

00:09:05.860 I mean, it's made the Senate basically, I mean, again, I just said it's one out of five chance.

00:09:10.400 But, I mean, they had a better chance of this two months ago.

00:09:14.240 I mean, they had a legitimate path to victory.

00:09:17.040 When Cruz was only up by three points, all of these races that looked like leaning Republican were all toss up and some of them looked like they might be leaning Democrat.

00:09:25.620 They had a chance to win the Senate before the Kavanaugh thing.

00:09:28.500 Now, I mean, I think it's a real, real, it's really going to come to the independents.

00:09:34.360 How are the independents feeling?

00:09:36.920 They're an interesting group because they are not as passionate as you would expect in this environment.

00:09:42.640 So, independents in 2006 and 2010 were at 50%.

00:09:47.420 Now, independents are almost always going to be lower in high interest than partisans because partisans engage more, like typically.

00:09:55.740 That's not, of course, a blanket rule, but it's typical.

00:09:59.040 In 2014, it was down to 40%.

00:10:01.100 In 2018, up until Kavanaugh, was 42%.

00:10:04.900 And then the jump now to 46%.

00:10:08.960 So, still, that's not as high as some of the earlier elections among independents.

00:10:12.780 And that may just be because they're overwhelmed with it.

00:10:15.860 They don't like either side.

00:10:17.360 And it just makes them want to withdraw from politics.

00:10:20.180 Yeah, but I wonder, because I would consider myself an independent, and there's no way you're going to keep me away from the polls.

00:10:27.240 And so, I'm wondering, you know, with that 4% jump, was it a 4% jump or 2%?

00:10:31.820 A 4% jump.

00:10:34.160 I wonder how much of that are people like me who are going to vote for the Republican just because the left has gone insane.

00:10:44.820 Right.

00:10:45.100 And there's a lot of independents that I, I mean, I certainly would fall into this category as well.

00:10:49.240 I am not a registered member of any party, nor will I ever be in my entire life.

00:10:53.760 That being said, you know, I vote Republican.

00:10:57.380 I mean, I, you know, I don't vote for Democrats.

00:10:59.740 Right.

00:11:00.240 So, I vote for Republicans, independents.

00:11:02.720 And libertarians.

00:11:03.280 And libertarians.

00:11:04.140 I don't vote for Democrats.

00:11:05.340 But, yeah, I mean, so that's never going to happen.

00:11:07.100 So, the fact that I'm independent, you can't look at that line as, these are people who could go either way at any time between these two parties.

00:11:13.040 That's not what that is.

00:11:14.080 Right.

00:11:14.220 It's people who identify that way.

00:11:15.480 It's a group that's growing and has been growing for quite some time.

00:11:18.840 Yes.

00:11:19.100 People are bailing out of the parties, but the parties themselves are becoming more rigid and more.

00:11:26.680 This one could come down to the independents.

00:11:30.160 This one could come down to, because you can understand the Republicans going up.

00:11:37.660 You can understand if you're on the Democratic side, Kavanaugh driving all those people.

00:11:42.080 But what's driving the independent?

00:11:45.200 Yeah.

00:11:46.480 I mean, I would think they're disgust with what's going on, right?

00:11:50.820 If anything.

00:11:51.960 They don't like the overall system.

00:11:54.220 There's one other interesting stat in here, Glenn, if we could.

00:11:56.540 Yeah.

00:11:56.700 As we're talking about the caravan of immigrants coming, migrants, whatever, which will be illegal immigrants if they get it all the way here.

00:12:07.240 By the way, who said that was coming?

00:12:10.020 Oh, yeah.

00:12:10.360 This program.

00:12:10.960 Yeah.

00:12:11.820 Definitely.

00:12:12.540 We talked a lot about that.

00:12:13.680 A lot about this.

00:12:14.640 Interesting to see the numbers among Latino voters.

00:12:16.820 So, in 2006, we're coming off of the attempt at comprehensive immigration reform that fails.

00:12:24.140 Republicans are very upset about that.

00:12:26.260 Democrats win that election relatively easily.

00:12:29.540 Latinos at 62% high interest in the election.

00:12:33.920 That number in midterm elections has been dismal since.

00:12:37.580 In 2010, it was only 48%.

00:12:39.640 2014, it was 41%.

00:12:41.740 Very low.

00:12:42.780 Well, in 2018, up until very recently, it was at 47%.

00:12:48.820 That number has now jumped in October of 2018 to 71%.

00:12:53.160 From 47 to 71 this year.

00:12:56.960 So, this is whatever the reason.

00:12:59.880 Wow.

00:13:00.620 It's much higher than 2006 for Latino voters.

00:13:03.840 Wow.

00:13:04.500 And again, that was a wave election for Democrats.

00:13:08.920 I mean, these numbers are.

00:13:10.320 The only thing I can think of is the Guatemalan refugees.

00:13:16.040 What else has happened?

00:13:17.200 I mean, you did have also fairly recently the unaccompanied minors situation where they were being, quote unquote, held in cages.

00:13:25.080 Yeah, but that was in July or August.

00:13:27.660 Yeah, but still relatively recently.

00:13:30.480 Yeah.

00:13:30.500 You know, the 2018 polls were taken January to September.

00:13:35.440 So, some of those polls were before that, some after.

00:13:38.640 Okay.

00:13:39.260 All the October ones, obviously, after.

00:13:41.300 And then include the migrant caravan situation.

00:13:44.860 And that might explain the jump.

00:13:46.100 But it's high everywhere.

00:13:47.960 I mean, the only place it's low.

00:13:49.620 And it's not low relative to normal, which is our younger voters, 18 to 34.

00:13:56.040 They're at 51%, which is the lowest number on most of these demographic groups that you can find.

00:14:01.400 However, it's also a lot higher than any other time in all of these elections.

00:14:05.980 The highest they had been before that was 39% in 2006.

00:14:09.520 This is our whole lives now.

00:14:11.740 This is going to be interesting.

00:14:13.880 It is.

00:14:14.280 It's like, you know, back in the 90s, the opening of Star Wars.

00:14:19.160 Yeah.

00:14:19.700 This is now what people care about.

00:14:21.300 And they care about it in almost a cultural entertainment sort of way.

00:14:25.380 Yeah.

00:14:25.940 Which is, I think, fascinating, not necessarily healthy.

00:14:29.020 It's good that people care about these things.

00:14:31.560 But, you know, I don't think that people, a lot of people don't seem to care about them,

00:14:35.660 about the issues as much as they do about just the passionate disagreement with whoever they're on Facebook with.

00:14:40.860 We have Ben Sass joining us in about 40 minutes from now.

00:14:46.600 A lot of questions for Ben Sass.

00:14:48.600 He has poked a hornet's nest, and he's standing fast.

00:14:57.500 I have a lot of questions for Ben Sass.

00:14:59.780 That's coming up in about 40 minutes.

00:15:02.120 Also, Larry Sharp is here.

00:15:04.380 He's running for governor of New York.

00:15:06.340 He'll be joining us in hour three.

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00:16:13.660 I want to talk a little bit about Saudi Arabia and what's happening with this Khashoggi case.

00:16:25.220 It really...

00:16:26.660 Have you noticed anybody who says anything other than,

00:16:32.160 Oh, Khashoggi.

00:16:33.160 Oh, the great one, Khashoggi.

00:16:35.300 Oh, Khashoggi.

00:16:38.060 With the exception of, I hear his name 47 different ways in that sentence?

00:16:41.980 No, I have not heard any difference.

00:16:42.980 So, it's amazing to me how, if you speak out, you're a conspiracy theorist.

00:16:51.600 Now, hold on just a second.

00:16:55.020 Since when is reporting a fact?

00:16:59.080 Since when is quoting him a conspiracy?

00:17:05.900 I mean, I guess it seems like the accusation is,

00:17:08.240 if you're trying to say that he's ever done anything that's questionable in his life,

00:17:12.380 you're making excuses for his murder, which, of course, is not true.

00:17:15.140 That is not...

00:17:15.900 No, no, it's different.

00:17:17.160 That's different.

00:17:18.300 That's the people who are tweeting and saying,

00:17:21.300 Oh, so he deserved to die.

00:17:23.000 No, no, no.

00:17:24.620 No.

00:17:24.900 This is a horrible crime committed by a horrible state who is not our ally.

00:17:34.160 Perhaps we need them.

00:17:36.200 I don't know.

00:17:37.100 I don't like getting into these situations.

00:17:39.660 I wish we weren't there at all.

00:17:41.520 But this was a crime, and it was despicable, disgusting, brutal.

00:17:48.180 I mean, unbelievable to people in the West.

00:17:51.620 But it happened, and I have no doubt that the prince was behind it.

00:17:57.100 Okay.

00:17:58.500 That has no bearing on who he was.

00:18:01.580 We can say that this was a despicable, horrible crime done by the Saudis,

00:18:08.340 and they're horrible people for X, Y, Z.

00:18:11.620 And we can say Khashoggi did not deserve to die this way.

00:18:18.000 Nobody deserves to die that way.

00:18:21.060 However, he's not the guy that everybody in the press is making him out to be.

00:18:27.980 He's not some freedom-loving guy.

00:18:30.360 He's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:18:35.340 The Muslim Brotherhood that he was pushing for was an Islamic state.

00:18:43.440 He wants an Islamic state in his own writings in the Washington Post.

00:18:49.780 Says, yeah, we have to have an Islamicist rule.

00:18:54.740 If you dismiss as Islamicist rule under Sharia law, then you'll never have peace in the Middle East.

00:19:03.560 Well, wait a minute.

00:19:05.100 I'm not against Islam.

00:19:06.740 I am against Islamic rule.

00:19:09.560 Sharia law.

00:19:10.660 Tell me where it's working out.

00:19:12.060 Show it to me.

00:19:12.620 Where is that working out?

00:19:14.880 Where is that protecting human rights?

00:19:17.740 No, thank you.

00:19:19.820 I mean, Islamic rule just by another group of Islamists is what you have in Saudi Arabia.

00:19:27.960 No, thank you.

00:19:28.960 I want to give some of the facts of of this guy.

00:19:35.840 And it's not a conspiracy.

00:19:39.820 There was a conspiracy to commit murder.

00:19:42.400 To hide it.

00:19:45.440 And we have found that.

00:19:48.700 Now America needs some adults in the room to say, OK, that's a separate issue.

00:19:54.380 But let's not paint Khashoggi into some freedom loving prince because that's not true.

00:20:04.020 I want to talk a little bit about this back and forth with Saudi Arabia, because it is important that we get this right.

00:20:17.540 And we don't make this about American politics.

00:20:20.720 We should make this about American interests, but not American politics.

00:20:26.480 Right now, people are saying, I can't believe Donald Trump would.

00:20:31.040 Well, you know what?

00:20:31.800 But George Bush, Bill Clinton, the second George Bush, all the way back, all the way back to FDR, we have been in bed with the Saudis.

00:20:46.160 I don't like this.

00:20:47.760 I think we're in bed with really bad people.

00:20:51.400 Is a rattlesnake a bad pet?

00:20:55.780 I was asked of me once, and I love this.

00:20:58.220 Is a rattlesnake, is it a bad pet?

00:21:02.880 The answer is, no.

00:21:05.760 It's a perfectly fine pet.

00:21:07.740 As long as you always remember it as a rattlesnake or a snake and not a little puppy dog.

00:21:16.640 It's a rattlesnake.

00:21:19.000 It's not a bad pet.

00:21:20.300 Just don't pet it.

00:21:24.420 And don't try to fashion a leash around its neck.

00:21:28.480 Take it for a walk.

00:21:29.740 It ain't gonna do it.

00:21:32.720 So, how do we handle Saudi Arabia?

00:21:36.120 Well, it should be the same way we handle Turkey.

00:21:39.040 But we're not.

00:21:40.300 Because we're looking at Turkey and Saudi Arabia with American eyes.

00:21:46.120 Stop it.

00:21:46.640 These are both Islamic states.

00:21:50.380 Now, they're warring with each other.

00:21:52.400 Why?

00:21:53.520 Because one is Muslim Brotherhood and one is a Wahhabist.

00:21:58.380 They don't like each other.

00:22:00.460 They want death for everybody in the other state.

00:22:06.040 They want the regime of Saudi Arabia.

00:22:07.980 Saudi Arabia stopped Turkey.

00:22:11.300 Because they're Muslim Brotherhood.

00:22:13.440 And Saudi Arabia wants Turkey stopped.

00:22:18.080 Because they're Wahhabists.

00:22:21.000 We're being put in the middle of a fight between two Islamicists.

00:22:27.160 Both of them want the caliphate.

00:22:29.860 Both of them want Islamic rule.

00:22:32.280 Both of them want to rule with jihad.

00:22:36.380 And they also want to rule with Sharia law.

00:22:40.040 We don't.

00:22:41.280 We don't want either of those.

00:22:42.960 So, now, let's put this into perspective.

00:22:47.660 Saudi Arabia.

00:22:48.960 Horrible place.

00:22:50.300 Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible place.

00:22:52.760 They execute kids.

00:22:55.100 As long as you've shown any kind of signs of puberty, you're tried as an adult.

00:23:00.340 They execute through beheading.

00:23:03.220 There was a woman who was raped, gang raped, by seven men.

00:23:07.100 Not sure if one of them was Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh yet.

00:23:11.800 But a Saudi woman was gang raped by seven men.

00:23:16.480 They each got, you know, between two and nine years in prison.

00:23:20.940 However, she received six months in prison and 200 lashings with a whip.

00:23:28.520 Because she was in the car without her husband.

00:23:34.280 And then she dared to take her story to the media.

00:23:38.780 This is the kind of people that we are dealing with.

00:23:43.520 The crown prince.

00:23:44.980 You and I are not going to like this guy.

00:23:49.700 You can say, oh, look at what he's doing.

00:23:51.860 He's making it easier for women to drive without their husband.

00:23:55.280 Yeah, okay.

00:23:56.040 Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

00:23:58.340 He's still a Wahhabist.

00:23:59.680 Let's look at what both sides in this country have done.

00:24:10.740 We are currently fighting a proxy war with Saudi Arabia.

00:24:14.840 We are involved in their war in Yemen.

00:24:17.060 Did you even know that?

00:24:19.580 President Trump announced a $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia last year.

00:24:25.080 It was President Obama that vetoed a bill that allowed families of 9-11 victims to sue the Saudi government.

00:24:35.000 So both sides, everybody is in protecting these guys.

00:24:41.080 When the crown prince came here to America, he met with Donald Trump.

00:24:46.560 Oh, my gosh.

00:24:47.920 But he also met with Oprah Winfrey, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer,

00:24:52.420 Dwayne The Rock Johnson, for some unknown reason, Barack Obama, John Kerry, Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, Michael Bloomberg, Thomas Friedman from The New York Times, Bill Gates, Madeline Albright, Rupert Murdoch, Jeffrey Goldberg from The Atlantic, Tim Cook, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Alan Garber from Harvard, Bob Iger, and Jeff Bezos.

00:25:17.140 So they're all meeting with him.

00:25:20.220 They're all meeting.

00:25:21.000 Let's not pretend we don't know who this guy is.

00:25:25.520 Now, the guy who went missing.

00:25:29.940 He's a reporter for The Washington Post.

00:25:33.260 Is he?

00:25:34.240 Is he?

00:25:35.880 Or does he have a point of view that Washington happens to like about Saudi Arabia?

00:25:44.940 And that is the Muslim Brotherhood perspective.

00:25:47.420 So you remember the Muslim Brotherhood founded in the 1920s in Egypt.

00:25:53.680 The only reason for being was to reject the West and establish global Sharia law.

00:26:01.460 They exported this organization all over the Middle East.

00:26:05.940 Anti-Semitism towards Jews, their biggest and most effective tool at harnessing the Arab rage.

00:26:13.040 Muslim Brotherhood, they're the ones who invented modern day jihadism.

00:26:18.300 They are the ones who inspired Osama bin Laden and the other founding members of Al Qaeda.

00:26:24.160 To any administration member from the Obama administration, you cannot call them a largely secular organization.

00:26:39.240 When you read just their motto, Allah is our goal, the prophet, our model, the Koran, our constitution, jihad, our plan and death for the sake of Allah, the loftiest of our wishes.

00:26:50.880 They are not primarily a secular organization.

00:26:54.820 The Muslim Brotherhood calls jihad the industry of death.

00:27:00.100 And they mean that in a good way, in their own words, to a nation that protects the industry of death and which knows how to die nobly.

00:27:10.000 God gives proud life in this world.

00:27:12.540 Okay, that doesn't sound secular, doesn't sound like somebody we should be in bed with.

00:27:18.100 But the Muslim Brotherhood ran up against a problem.

00:27:22.340 And that was one of them, the kingdom of of Saudi Arabia, because it was backed by the West.

00:27:30.340 Any of these kingdoms in the Middle East that have been backed by the West, Jordan will be next.

00:27:36.840 Anybody who stands in their way, they had to destroy.

00:27:42.680 But these were democracies.

00:27:44.460 So how are we going to do it?

00:27:46.920 Well, the Muslim Brotherhood decided to switch tactics and weaponize democracy.

00:27:53.100 Enter the Arab Spring.

00:27:55.920 The Arab Spring praised by everyone.

00:27:59.300 We told you their goal is a caliphate.

00:28:02.580 Well, it never materialized, did it?

00:28:05.900 No, no, not there.

00:28:09.740 It materialized from the chain of events with ISIS.

00:28:14.160 What, you were talking about the Muslim Brotherhood?

00:28:17.120 Right.

00:28:17.440 And what happened to the Muslim Brotherhood?

00:28:20.120 Did they just choose not to do a caliphate?

00:28:23.220 Oh, no, no.

00:28:24.660 They were overthrown.

00:28:27.600 Oh, the Muslim Brotherhood still wants their caliphate.

00:28:33.380 So now you have two of our allies, Turkey, Muslim Brotherhood, the Saudis, Wahhabists, who are both chasing the same exact dream, a Middle East and a world dominated by Sharia law.

00:28:49.700 Both of them using jihadism as a means to their ends.

00:28:57.080 So, Khashoggi or Khashoggi or whatever you're calling him today.

00:29:06.880 Now we look at him.

00:29:09.140 He is a guy who is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:29:14.080 I want to say this.

00:29:15.660 No one deserves this kind of death.

00:29:17.760 This is not to excuse the Saudis.

00:29:19.760 They're bad guys.

00:29:20.860 But so is Turkey.

00:29:24.300 And so was he.

00:29:27.640 Everybody here, oh, it's a Saudi progressive fighting for democracy.

00:29:32.380 No, no, no.

00:29:35.160 No.

00:29:36.360 He was fighting for the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:29:39.500 In the 1980s and 90s, he was one of the king's main allies.

00:29:43.180 He edited several Saudi newspapers, which he was basically Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984, sitting in the Saudi version of the Ministry of Truth, editing out all thought crime.

00:29:57.580 Make sure that there was never anything hostile said about Wahhabism or the king.

00:30:03.540 During this time, he cozied up to Osama bin Laden.

00:30:06.700 He scored several interviews while al-Qaeda was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

00:30:12.120 Saudi intelligence employed him to be the middleman between bin Laden and the Saudi royal family.

00:30:18.920 Well, in 2003, he fell out of favor with the Saudi royals when he allowed to be published an article critical to the Wahhabist movement.

00:30:30.280 Why did he do that?

00:30:31.820 Because he's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and they were at odds with the Wahhabists.

00:30:43.540 Khashoggi or Khashoggi was cast aside, and that's when the Western media fell in love with him.

00:30:51.960 An active member of the Muslim Brotherhood, not a smear or conspiracy theory.

00:30:57.900 In his own words, yes, I joined the Muslim Brotherhood organization.

00:31:01.620 And I was not alone, end quote.

00:31:05.220 His Muslim Brotherhood friends and clerics were all imprisoned in Saudi Arabia during the Arab Spring.

00:31:11.220 He got out.

00:31:13.020 He came to the U.S.

00:31:14.840 He established a political party while in exile called Democracy for the Arab World Now Party.

00:31:23.040 The liberals, the progressives, the press loved him because they heard the word democracy.

00:31:29.900 It's the Muslim Brotherhood plan to subvert democracy by turning it against itself.

00:31:41.000 He once wanted to establish Sharia law in the region.

00:31:47.120 He was also a wicked anti-Semite who wrote, quote, outside the context of history and logic, the Jews will have to die by force.

00:31:59.300 Oh, Israel's outside the context of history and logic.

00:32:07.460 So we're going to have to kill all of them.

00:32:09.260 This is not a smear campaign.

00:32:13.340 When you hear somebody say that, you make sure you ask them, where are you doing your homework?

00:32:19.100 Where are you getting that?

00:32:20.320 Why is that a smear campaign?

00:32:22.020 To say that he was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, he clearly was in his own words.

00:32:26.560 So why is that a smear campaign?

00:32:28.720 Because I thought the Muslim Brotherhood was largely secular.

00:32:34.740 Ask people, how much do you know about the caliphate?

00:32:37.960 How much do you know about the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood?

00:32:40.840 How much do you really know about what this man wrote?

00:32:44.020 This man wrote that he, it was a mistake to think that you could have any kind of state in the Middle East without some form of Islamicists.

00:33:02.180 Now, that's different, remember, than Islam.

00:33:06.680 An Islamicist believes you have to use Sharia law.

00:33:10.920 That's the constant, wow, it sounds like the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:33:16.700 That's our constitution.

00:33:18.680 That is our law.

00:33:21.240 Sharia law.

00:33:23.680 So, let's just begin to tell each other the truth.

00:33:27.880 And here's the truth.

00:33:29.080 Turkey is not a friend of ours.

00:33:30.960 Turkey is in with the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:33:34.000 Turkey would like to have a caliphate run by them.

00:33:37.900 Saudi Arabia, not good people.

00:33:39.800 Saudi Arabia, huge exporter of Wahhabism, and has done it here in the United States, has spent money building mosques that are very dangerous here in the United States.

00:33:51.920 It's true.

00:33:53.960 They kill him?

00:33:55.580 Could be.

00:33:57.120 Probably.

00:33:58.140 Seems like it.

00:33:59.800 I don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood in Turkey, but I also don't trust those guys.

00:34:04.740 One of them killed him.

00:34:07.300 Probably Saudi Arabia.

00:34:08.640 Did he deserve it?

00:34:10.200 No.

00:34:10.980 Does he deserve to be called a freedom fighter?

00:34:15.540 Ugh.

00:34:16.720 Only by either really uneducated progressives, or just liars.

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00:36:02.640 Welcome to the program.

00:36:04.340 Glad you're here.

00:36:04.860 Ben Sass is coming up in just a minute.

00:36:06.800 He is like a dentist that has just hit a nerve in your mouth, and everybody's like,

00:36:16.220 He's not making a lot of people happy, and I'm really anxious to talk to him, because, you know,

00:36:27.920 I saw something of him on The View, and he's really not being given the time to talk and explain,

00:36:35.460 especially Kavanaugh.

00:36:38.040 He said, yeah, it was for her, and then I saw the additional 140 people the FBI interviewed,

00:36:44.340 and there were severe problems.

00:36:46.960 We'll talk about his vote for Kavanaugh and so much more when we come back.

00:36:52.880 Glenn Beck is coming live to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way.

00:36:58.460 He might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing.

00:37:01.800 Glenn Beck Live, the Addicted to Outrage Tour, on tour this fall.

00:37:08.260 Glenn Beck.

00:37:09.860 It's Monday, October 22nd.

00:37:12.680 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:37:14.680 This is going to be a fascinating half hour.

00:37:17.940 I could spend many hours with him, and I think that's part of the problem.

00:37:23.260 You'll see him on television, and no one is taking the time to actually listen to everything he has to say,

00:37:31.100 and he has a lot to say about things that have been very concerning to me, including deep fakes,

00:37:38.340 which I hope to get into.

00:37:40.220 But I want to start with his book and the thing that everybody is talking about,

00:37:47.700 them, why we hate each other, and how to heal.

00:37:51.240 Ben Sasse.

00:37:53.420 Welcome to the program, Senator from Nebraska.

00:37:56.540 How are you, sir?

00:37:57.520 I'm doing well.

00:37:58.600 Nebraska's got a winning streak going again, so we're happy in the heartland.

00:38:01.640 Ben, I want to talk to you, and I want to ask you the questions, basically, that everyone asks me,

00:38:08.320 because we are on some things in the same pocket.

00:38:13.800 And I just want to hear your response to this, you know, some line of questioning that usually comes my way.

00:38:23.480 We have a situation to where people have felt they have tried to do the right thing.

00:38:29.980 They have tried to do the Tea Party, and they were accused of being racist,

00:38:34.280 and they were accused of being violent, which they weren't.

00:38:36.920 Meanwhile, the press and politicians excuse people like Antifa, and it's getting worse and worse.

00:38:44.240 No, we're not anti-capitalist.

00:38:46.200 We're not anti-American.

00:38:47.840 And then Hillary Clinton says one of the reasons she lost was because she was for capitalism.

00:38:52.680 You have Cortez coming out and Bernie Sanders stating with the DSA that they are against capitalism.

00:39:01.480 You have Antifa taking over the streets.

00:39:04.580 You have Republicans being shot on the ball field.

00:39:09.440 The press is still ignoring all of this, blaming everything on the right.

00:39:14.760 But then Kavanaugh, they're willing to take all the way to, yep, he's a gang rapist, and destroy people.

00:39:24.040 When is enough enough?

00:39:28.220 Well, so first of all, the way we consume politics is a mess,

00:39:33.260 and lots of our political discussion itself is a mess.

00:39:36.980 But I think it's really important to distinguish between two dimensions.

00:39:40.420 One dimension is a continuum from right to left, and on those issues, I'm as conservative as they come.

00:39:46.880 On anybody's scorecard, I'm the second or third most conservative senator in the United States Senate.

00:39:52.840 But the second dimension is about the intensification of politics,

00:39:56.800 and how centrally should politics sit in your worldview.

00:40:01.360 And there, I'm a big skeptic, because I'm a traditional American,

00:40:05.260 of the idea that politics can be near the center of your worldview, and you end up very happy.

00:40:10.420 So I think there's a lot of data now that shows more and more Americans are actually tuning out politics altogether.

00:40:16.920 But the people who are involved in politics, some of the national media sort of purporting to cover it,

00:40:24.420 many of the politicians that sort of run for office and get to Washington, D.C.

00:40:29.380 and never plan to leave again, because they really think politics and power in D.C. are the center of the world,

00:40:34.980 and some subset of the consumers of our political news.

00:40:39.120 It's about 8% on the left that are truly politically addicted,

00:40:43.000 and we have a growing share on the right, now up to about 6% on the right that are politically addicted.

00:40:48.300 These kinds of people are really taking political tribalism to a new and deeper place,

00:40:53.980 and more intense place, where it's crowding out more and more of the things

00:40:57.920 that actually give people's lives meaning and happiness.

00:41:00.560 And so I think it's very important, I'm as far right as they come, on the right versus left continuum,

00:41:05.540 but it's very important to remember that the purpose of politics is to maintain a framework for ordered liberty

00:41:10.560 so that you can go live in the communities of love, where you're actually raising your kids

00:41:15.100 and building a better mousetrapper app, or where you're worshiping,

00:41:18.260 because those are the communities that are going to make you happy.

00:41:20.800 Politics is a means to an end. Politics isn't the end.

00:41:23.240 So, completely agree with you. However, our politicians are becoming more and more extreme,

00:41:30.900 especially on the left. They are anti-capitalist. They're anti-constitution.

00:41:41.460 So, on one hand, I agree with you. We can't be all about politics.

00:41:47.420 But at what point do you see good people say,

00:41:52.660 enough is enough, and I can't take this anymore?

00:41:56.420 Yeah, but then to what end? What do we do next?

00:41:59.080 Because what we don't want to do next is what the weirdos did to Nancy Pelosi in California.

00:42:04.120 100% agree.

00:42:05.240 And what the weirdos did to Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao in Kentucky on Saturday.

00:42:09.080 Because there is no second or third chess move from there that doesn't just end up at violence.

00:42:14.060 And this is not saying, by the way, that people don't have a First Amendment right to protest.

00:42:17.980 They clearly do.

00:42:19.020 But screaming someone down, taking Mitch and Elaine's food off their table and throwing it on the floor

00:42:24.560 and saying, you don't belong in our country, to Leader McConnell or to Secretary Chao,

00:42:29.760 who serves in President Trump's cabinet, that kind of stuff doesn't actually have persuasion as any goal.

00:42:35.660 The only thing there is just sort of symbolic politics as rant, which heads to a pretty dark place, I think.

00:42:43.340 So I agree with you again.

00:42:44.940 But where is the leadership?

00:42:46.700 I've written a book.

00:42:47.560 You've written a book.

00:42:48.760 It's different than actually going out and leading and standing, you know, Martin Luther King marching through Antifa and taking the beating.

00:43:01.380 Yes, but I think we should also recognize that the Antifa phenomenon is really built for short-term media clips.

00:43:10.940 That is what they're doing.

00:43:12.480 I'm in the middle of a little downtown, a sort of restored downtown in Omaha right now, and there's no Antifa here.

00:43:19.880 And yet we've got a whole bunch of people who might be obsessed with thinking about Antifa today

00:43:24.980 when I think we need to be aware of the sort of media ecology in which we live.

00:43:29.520 So in the 1950s, 68% of Americans, any given week, were watching I Love Lucy.

00:43:35.660 So that meant 68% of households, that meant basically 99% of households knew what Lucy and Desi had done that week.

00:43:42.000 It wasn't important content, but it was shared content.

00:43:45.500 There was an American we.

00:43:46.840 When you fought with somebody about some project at work or if you disagreed with them about politics,

00:43:51.080 you could still talk about things that we had in common.

00:43:53.720 What's happening now and why I wrote this book of them is because there is no we right now.

00:43:59.300 And the most watched cable news programming, Sean Hannity is number one and Rachel Maddow is often number two.

00:44:06.240 There's still really only 1.1% and nine-tenths of 1% of the public.

00:44:11.980 And so our world is so fragmented and fractured that I think it's really important to not consume our media

00:44:18.200 as if the people like Antifa who are doing this to hope for viral clips.

00:44:22.940 I think part of what healthy Americans should do is ignore them.

00:44:26.080 So what is our, are we?

00:44:32.560 I mean, I've spent the last two years and the things that I can, I continually come back to every single time is the bill of rights.

00:44:42.600 It's why people came here because they were protected.

00:44:46.360 They knew that they had the right to dream and create and be left alone.

00:44:52.020 Yeah.

00:44:52.860 Is that our, are we or unum?

00:44:56.340 So yes, unum, e pluribus unum, out of the many one, right?

00:45:00.680 We don't have a whole bunch of one right now.

00:45:02.540 We don't have a shared sense of what you've just said.

00:45:04.780 The first amendment is the beating heart of the American experiment, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, right of protest.

00:45:14.420 All of those things flow from a fundamental assumption about the dignity of 320 million Americans, which is we believe imago Dei.

00:45:23.320 We believe that our citizens are created in the image of God with eternal souls and with dignity that's way bigger than their policy preferences.

00:45:32.840 And so what's unique in our moment, I think the grand tension that we as a people are not really wrestling through that is so far upstream from politics is this tension between rootedness and rootlessness.

00:45:43.580 Almost all of the happiness literature, if you will, out there is confirming stuff that wise people, people who've had grandparents have known for millennia, which is that happiness is actually a relatively simple equation.

00:45:56.560 Do you have a nuclear family?

00:45:57.960 Do you have a couple of deep friendships?

00:45:59.860 Do you have a local worshiping community?

00:46:01.760 Do you have a theological framework to make sense of death and suffering?

00:46:04.620 And fourth, and statistically, the number one driver of happiness is do you have meaningful vocation?

00:46:09.920 Do you have shared work?

00:46:11.080 Do you have coworkers?

00:46:11.800 Do you think when you leave home on Monday morning, when you go to do something, not do you make a lot of money or do you have a lot of status, but is there some neighbor who benefits from what I do?

00:46:21.020 If those four things are true, or even if three of the four are true, you're pretty likely to be happy.

00:46:27.080 And those things are all tied to rootedness, but we're living through a technological revolution that's tempting us to believe that we can be rootless, we can be placeless.

00:46:36.240 And so a lot of what's happening is the undermining of local community and the undermining of thick relationships and the undermining of vocation or long work ends up in a world where a lot of people are using political tribalism to fill a void of the loneliness that's actually happening in their local community.

00:46:53.040 And I think we need to reflect more deeply on that challenge of our time.

00:46:55.960 All right, so I'm going to take a quick break, and I want to come back and talk about the press, talk about the new press, if you will, Facebook, and what you write about with deep fakes.

00:47:08.280 You seem to be one of the very few in Washington that really get this, and you're looking over the horizon, and we want to talk about that.

00:47:19.800 We're talking to Ben Sass. His new book is called Them, Why We Hate Each Other and How to Heal.

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00:49:03.400 We're talking to Ben Sass, and I have so many places I would like to go with you and talk to the senator about.

00:49:13.880 We're going to run out of time.

00:49:15.160 I would like to invite you to do an hour-and-a-half uninterrupted podcast with me, Senator, when you have time, because I think your voice needs to be heard and understood and parts of it challenged.

00:49:29.100 Sure.

00:49:29.540 But I would like to just pick up on this point.

00:49:34.000 He said the number one driver of happiness is vocation.

00:49:37.380 You're one guy that will understand this.

00:49:40.100 If that's true, in the next 10 years, we're in deep trouble.

00:49:44.900 We're headed toward a really interesting time in human history.

00:49:49.860 It's both scary and fascinating.

00:49:52.260 So some people's shorthand for this is the uberization of the economy.

00:49:55.920 I think the simpler way to think about it is just the average duration of people's jobs or their relationship at a firm is going to get shorter than ever before in human history.

00:50:04.640 So let's go macro for a minute.

00:50:07.320 Hunter-gatherers throughout most of human history, you don't have any conception of what your job is.

00:50:11.880 You pursue that buffalo.

00:50:13.480 And then 10,000 years ago, people settled down and started planting and harvesting, and we began to farm on a regular cycle.

00:50:20.840 And from 10,000 years ago until 150 years ago, nobody had job choice.

00:50:24.260 They just did with grandma and grandpa and mom and dad and aunts and uncles that had done forever, eternity past.

00:50:29.360 With the Industrial Revolution, we get job specialization, and it was really disruptive.

00:50:33.640 But when people took a job, they still kept it till death of retirement.

00:50:37.660 Not everybody graduated high school at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.

00:50:40.620 By the end, almost everybody does.

00:50:42.340 But you still get one job at some time between 15 and 22 years old, and you keep it for all of your life.

00:50:47.720 I was born in the 1970s.

00:50:49.340 Average duration at a firm for a primary breadwinner then was still 26 years.

00:50:53.600 Now it's four years and getting shorter, and it's going to get shorter forevermore.

00:50:58.120 McKinsey, a firm I used to work with, believes that 50% of the American labor market by three years from now – this is not 20 years in the future – three years from now, they think 50% of the labor market will be primarily freelancers, meaning that most people will cobble together a bunch of different jobs.

00:51:15.540 Not all of them are going to be app-enabled tech jobs like being an Uber driver with the right software that makes you more efficient than an old-school cabbie.

00:51:23.300 But what's really going to happen is we're going to head toward a world where people are going to get disrupted out of their jobs at age 40 and 45 and 50 and 55 forevermore.

00:51:33.140 We've never, ever done that in human history, and so it means all of the angst of what's often called now the quarter-life crisis, this sort of late adolescence crisis of trying to figure out your role in life and how do you go from just being a consumer in mom and dad's house to being a producer that can not just put bread on the table for your kids but can actually have a sense of meaning that you're serving your neighbor.

00:51:53.080 That disruption that most people know in late adolescence, we're going to experience that again every three to five years for our whole life, and that means there's a lot of new potential for upheaval and, frankly, for unhappiness.

00:52:04.920 There's going to be more economic output than has ever been produced before in human history, but it's not at all clear that it will redound to the median family and the median household and the median worker.

00:52:15.620 We're going to have to become a civilization of lifelong workers able to get retrained when you're 40.

00:52:20.740 Nobody's ever done that before.

00:52:21.900 Okay, so there's about an hour of questions just on that one, but I've got about three minutes left.

00:52:28.480 Can you give me your take on the first real political upheaval that we're going to see that I think by 2020, it could change everything, could start global wars, deep fakes?

00:52:43.460 Yeah, so one of the reasons I wrote them is because I spent a lot of time on intelligence issues.

00:52:49.300 And in the intel community, there are people who talk about the perfect storm of deep fakes that we have coming.

00:52:56.100 And the storm is these three ingredients.

00:52:57.900 Number one, new technology makes it possible to sort of narrowcast a world with fake audio and fake video where lots of people can be susceptible to being sort of spoofed or persuaded that things that aren't real are real.

00:53:13.180 There's always been enemies doing malicious actor, you know, information warfare since the beginning of time.

00:53:19.480 You can find it in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, to sow discord in an enemy's tent.

00:53:24.340 But it used to require a prostitute and a honey trap and a fake business partner and a bribery scheme and a mar, right?

00:53:30.420 You had to get people around people.

00:53:31.980 Number one is now we can use technology to surround someone and give them a fake experience.

00:53:36.680 And deep audio and deep video, or fake audio and fake video that are going to seem real are going to make that possible.

00:53:41.520 Number two, Russia is already trying this constantly against us.

00:53:45.420 They're just bad at it.

00:53:46.740 The real reason we need to take the Russia type investigation so seriously is because China is right behind them running scout team offense on them and ready to do big deep fakes, hybrid war information operations against American leaders and business officials and the public at large.

00:54:03.640 And number three, we have so many internal divisions about geography, about race, about gender, about guns.

00:54:12.080 There's many, many issues where Americans are so divided that we are susceptible to these kind of campaigns like Russia is already trying to run on social media.

00:54:20.580 They're just not very good at it where they try to exacerbate and inflame tensions on every side of every issue.

00:54:26.180 The NFL kneeling controversy, majority of the stuff online on social media in the first 72 hours after that flamed last fall, the majority of it on both sides stand for the anthem and take in the NFL.

00:54:38.560 Most of it was Russian on both sides.

00:54:40.840 And so we're going to have a world where you're going to have things like the Kavanaugh hearings where all of a sudden audio will appear of Schumer strategizing with Michael Avenatti or video will appear.

00:54:50.940 It'll be fake, but video will appear and it'll be Kavanaugh partying hard as an undergrad at Yale.

00:54:55.680 It'll be fake, but in our echoed silo chambers of the way we consume media right now, it's going to be potentially much more divisive than what we know today.

00:55:04.940 And so one of the reasons I wanted to write them, why we hate each other, is an awareness that there's actually national security exposures for this country and how much we hate each other around politics.

00:55:15.380 We need communities of people that live in the same neighborhood that believe lots of stuff in common, even when we differ on politics.

00:55:21.920 How come we can't get anybody in Washington or in the media to talk about this, Ben?

00:55:30.800 It took us, what, 25 minutes to unpack some of it.

00:55:35.060 And the business model of selling soap three minutes from now is, let's just say who the bad guy is.

00:55:40.560 You know, there's some nut job somewhere in a McDonald's right now who probably slapped an old man wearing a MAGA hat.

00:55:46.280 And that person is a weirdo and did something wrong, but they don't actually stand in for all the bait.

00:55:52.700 And that's really the way we're consuming most of our media right now is that kind of nut picking.

00:55:57.040 And so it's harder to do 10 and 25 year out issues.

00:55:59.760 But that's the that's the strategic stuff that Washington should be focused on.

00:56:03.680 How are you going to do that when you have I've got 30 I've got 30 seconds.

00:56:08.820 I'm not going to even ask you.

00:56:10.220 I'm not even going to ask you.

00:56:11.400 I would like to ask you to come down, Ben, and and really unpack this, because I think your voice needs to be heard and understood.

00:56:20.100 And I think in soundbites, it's not not always understood.

00:56:26.200 So thank you very much.

00:56:28.000 Thanks for the invite.

00:56:28.680 Good to be with you.

00:56:29.260 I bet Senator Ben Sass.

00:56:31.200 It's why we hate each other and how to heal.

00:56:34.820 I really want to really want to get into him on taking on your own side.

00:56:40.420 How do we heal if we're taking on our own side?

00:56:44.240 I hope that he will come down and and spend some real time with us back in just a second.

00:56:53.060 So I'm hearing people say Ben Sass is torching his career.

00:57:07.400 I don't think that there is a career for Ben Sass that he would be interested in.

00:57:13.320 And if, you know, we become just an uncivil society, he's not going to want to, you know, there wouldn't be a career for him.

00:57:21.380 Would you agree with that?

00:57:22.280 It's not.

00:57:22.560 Yeah.

00:57:22.820 It's not something he would be interested in.

00:57:24.680 It's fair.

00:57:25.440 Yeah.

00:57:25.620 And we kind of forget about who this guy is.

00:57:32.320 I mean, voted with Donald Trump 87% of the time.

00:57:36.520 Yeah.

00:57:36.980 Because there's a, you know, look, personalities a lot of times and media inflammation, kind of a lot of the stuff he's talking about in the book.

00:57:43.240 Right.

00:57:43.620 Wind up summarizing a person.

00:57:45.580 It's like you look at Sass is even with Trump in office and he's seen as this big Trump opponent.

00:57:51.420 It's like, well, I mean, he's voting with him 87% of the time.

00:57:53.760 And look at the stuff he's voting against Trump on tariffs.

00:57:59.060 Now, look, you could say what you want if you want to be, if you're pro tariffs now.

00:58:02.380 I mean, but I mean, the conservative position for multiple decades going back to Ronald Reagan is, is, is, is not protectionist.

00:58:08.980 So he's the one being consistent there.

00:58:11.380 I, you know, whether, you know, I know a lot of people have changed on that at some level.

00:58:15.360 But still, I mean, it's, we were seeing the effects of this in the middle of the country right now.

00:58:19.220 The tariffs are very harmful to the economy.

00:58:21.660 It's about to get worse.

00:58:22.460 The spending bill.

00:58:24.120 He voted against the Trump administration spending bill.

00:58:26.420 Well, I mean, I think everybody knows, including, by the way, Trump even said how bad it was.

00:58:31.000 He's just still voted for it.

00:58:32.160 He still signed it and was, you know, supporting it in the end.

00:58:34.640 But he even said it was terrible.

00:58:35.740 I haven't voted against that.

00:58:36.820 I have a new argument on spending that you have to remind me of scarcity of money.

00:58:42.180 We're about to hit scarcity of money, which is all tied into the spending bill.

00:58:48.680 And it'll boggle your mind when you see, oh, well, you know, it doesn't matter.

00:58:53.680 No, it's going to matter.

00:58:55.020 It's going to matter on whether you can afford to buy a car or not in a way that you've never thought of before.

00:59:00.900 I voted against raising the debt limit, extension of government funding for a couple of weeks and imposing sanctions on Russia, Iran and North Korea.

00:59:09.480 Russia, another separate one imposing sanctions on Russia, another free trade thing opposing the nomination of Lighthizer.

00:59:19.920 I mean, like these are all traditional conservative positions that he took.

00:59:23.620 And I don't think anyone in our audience would be like, oh, well, I'm mad at Ben Sasse for for wanting for opposing additional spending.

00:59:30.780 I think and it is a legitimate.

00:59:32.880 It's not a concern.

00:59:33.920 It's a legitimate concern.

00:59:35.200 And it's a concern about, you know, it's a it's a battle that I have in my own head.

00:59:42.680 You know, when is enough to not still is the press the enemy of freedom, the enemy of freedom?

00:59:53.200 No enemy of of of the people.

00:59:55.940 Yeah, I don't agree with that terminology.

00:59:58.720 I understand there's massive problems with it at times.

01:00:01.140 And, you know, sometimes there's intentional.

01:00:03.360 What would make them the I mean, if you are if you are running things that are not true and they know they're not.

01:00:10.180 If they are silencing and smearing voices on the other side, at what point is there a tipping point?

01:00:18.380 I mean, I agree with the First Amendment.

01:00:21.140 You still have the right.

01:00:22.480 They have a right to do it.

01:00:23.480 But where is the point to where you say you guys are when when you are covering for Antifa, when you are covering for people who say I want an end to the capitalist system and you say she's she's advocating socialism, not can't not Canadian socialism, socialism, communism.

01:00:45.380 She's talking about state run and owned property and businesses.

01:00:49.600 Now, that's that's not a welfare state.

01:00:53.740 Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.

01:00:55.800 Wait, she just said it.

01:00:57.160 At what point?

01:00:58.900 Oh, I mean, first of all, the press is a collection of individuals, some of which do a good job, some of which do not.

01:01:06.460 So it's important to make those distinctions, I think.

01:01:09.620 And, you know, look, that is a this was just this is going on at our founding.

01:01:15.500 You know, people were doing this at our founding and at our founding.

01:01:19.080 But we what we what we what we realize is when we were in a gauged and informed populace, we chose correctly.

01:01:25.680 Right.

01:01:26.140 I mean, I, you know, if we're not.

01:01:29.160 Well, we know what the solution we know a republic if you can keep it right.

01:01:32.900 Like if we don't choose to keep the republic, well, then, of course, it's going to fall apart.

01:01:37.640 We knew this was an experiment and that was the risk of it.

01:01:40.240 And I think we are seeing some some of those risks pop their heads up.

01:01:43.820 But I mean, the whole foundation of this country is to let people come out and make their arguments.

01:01:49.800 And we have to make ours back.

01:01:51.420 That does not mean, you know, the Nancy Pelosi thing.

01:01:54.680 And I was so encouraged.

01:01:56.240 I hope you were to so encouraged by the reaction from conservatives.

01:02:01.660 Nancy Pelosi shouted down and I did not see a peep of support from conservatives over the actions of the people protesting her.

01:02:14.020 I didn't see I was disgusted by it.

01:02:15.720 I was disgusted by it as well.

01:02:16.920 And I didn't see any.

01:02:18.220 I didn't.

01:02:18.840 Now, I'm not saying there were none.

01:02:21.040 I'm sure people will show me a tweet of some nut job who's like, I think they should harass Nancy Pelosi at dinner.

01:02:25.940 But I didn't see one prominent Republican or conservative support those actions.

01:02:31.180 Not one.

01:02:32.420 You could see you.

01:02:33.400 We could.

01:02:33.720 We played dozens of Democrats.

01:02:36.780 No, here's here's here's one from Sean King.

01:02:39.400 I've said it before, but I need to say it again.

01:02:41.740 I'm grateful for Antifa.

01:02:43.160 It's weird that it's politically incorrect for me to say so.

01:02:47.160 But I'm glad we have people in this country who stand up to fascist and bigotry and are willing to confront hate face to face.

01:02:53.860 Right.

01:02:54.060 And you could.

01:02:54.660 There's dozens.

01:02:55.620 Dozens of those.

01:02:56.320 There are prominent politicians.

01:02:58.140 Yeah.

01:02:58.340 I I have not seen one prominent conservative support what happened to Pelosi.

01:03:02.240 And that's right.

01:03:03.320 And I'm glad.

01:03:03.900 I mean, that's that shows that there's still, you know, even though we're divided and even though a lot of things come down to minute emotional politics that go minute to minute, I'm glad to see that there's still principles there.

01:03:14.860 So here's where I think Ben was wrong when he said to deal with Antifa.

01:03:19.920 He was right when he said, you know, it's a small group.

01:03:23.400 It's a small group.

01:03:24.880 He's right.

01:03:25.780 It is a very small group.

01:03:27.180 And they become very, very loud because of social media and because of the media.

01:03:32.200 But it is a small group where I think he's wrong is ignore it.

01:03:37.520 He said part of the solution is ignoring it.

01:03:40.220 Yeah.

01:03:40.520 And I think, you know, because you can get to the point where, like, I would say the same would apply to the alt right.

01:03:45.840 Right.

01:03:46.340 You know, like the Charlottesville situation, you know, there's obviously a crime committed there that you can't ignore.

01:03:53.840 Right.

01:03:53.980 But generally speaking, when a bunch of Nazis or KKK members, this has been happening forever.

01:03:58.440 These stories go back forever.

01:03:59.300 A bunch of KKK members walk through your town.

01:04:02.400 Like, you know, largely speaking, it's great to ignore them because they want attention and they want.

01:04:06.920 But that's not what we have now.

01:04:08.640 We have Antifa breaking laws.

01:04:11.120 You can't ignore that.

01:04:11.840 No, you can't.

01:04:12.280 You can't ignore that.

01:04:13.060 No.

01:04:13.300 I don't care if it's the Nazis or Antifa.

01:04:15.580 You can't ignore that.

01:04:16.660 I don't think Sass would argue ignore.

01:04:18.360 Right.

01:04:18.560 I mean, like, I think he's saying that we get a little bit too wrapped up in the back and forth viral videos and people who are not even really engaged in politics getting freaked out over things that they're never going to have to necessarily deal with.

01:04:33.980 If you dismiss a group like Antifa, though, though, that's how they grow.

01:04:38.880 And at least arguably, that's how they grow.

01:04:41.460 If they're unopposed, you're seeing it happen in Portland.

01:04:43.320 Right.

01:04:43.700 I mean, the mayor is largely just ignoring what they're doing, and it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse.

01:04:48.860 That does not mean our lives have to be ruled by Antifa, though.

01:04:52.120 And I think that was the generalized argument he was going for.

01:04:54.440 Well, the key here is, what do you do about it?

01:05:03.920 And the solution is to not do what people did in Florida with Nancy Pelosi.

01:05:12.140 You don't do that.

01:05:13.620 Because that doesn't give you a side to run to.

01:05:17.320 Yeah.

01:05:17.700 You don't do what the Proud Boys are doing.

01:05:21.180 I'm sorry, but it's just...

01:05:23.180 Man, you've talked to Gavin about that.

01:05:25.340 Yeah.

01:05:25.660 And I think Gavin is even looking at things going, okay, look, we were doing things because it's funny.

01:05:35.220 He's a comedian.

01:05:36.180 Yeah, he's a comedian.

01:05:37.800 But this will grow out of control.

01:05:41.400 You just don't do that because there's nowhere to go.

01:05:44.400 When you're watching that, you're like, well, I don't like what Nancy Pelosi is doing,

01:05:48.780 but I don't like what they're doing.

01:05:50.500 So, who do I go to?

01:05:53.500 And look at, look how the press is treating Donald Trump.

01:05:57.620 Look how the press treated Kavanaugh.

01:06:01.940 Everybody kind of hardened their positions, didn't they?

01:06:05.740 Everybody just hardened their positions and got more outraged.

01:06:10.540 But the only thing that might have happened is independence looked at that and said,

01:06:20.180 you know what?

01:06:21.880 I don't want to be with those people.

01:06:23.720 The left.

01:06:24.640 The left.

01:06:25.880 And I don't want to be with the left.

01:06:28.940 Then look over to the Republicans.

01:06:31.160 They weren't misbehaving during that.

01:06:33.560 But what are we doing to welcome people in?

01:06:40.100 If you're kind of saying, I don't want to be with those guys.

01:06:42.740 And then you see, you know, you commies get out, get out.

01:06:47.020 And they're pounding on Pelosi's door.

01:06:48.700 And you're like, OK, I don't.

01:06:50.700 We can't.

01:06:51.520 We can't get to a place to where people disengage, because if they do completely disengage, then

01:06:58.980 it's just run.

01:06:59.940 The country is run by radicals.

01:07:02.700 We need to be a safe haven.

01:07:05.120 We need to be a place of real thought, real actual kindness and real principles.

01:07:12.980 Yeah.

01:07:13.500 And we have to present a rational, logical alternative.

01:07:16.680 I mean, that is one of the reasons I'm a conservative.

01:07:18.600 Right.

01:07:18.740 Right.

01:07:19.220 I saw the left, you know, early in my life as a group of people who made decisions emotionally.

01:07:25.640 Yeah.

01:07:26.080 And that's not something I wanted to be part of.

01:07:28.140 No.

01:07:28.460 And we can't be a part of that.

01:07:29.760 We can't do that ourselves.

01:07:30.860 Let me go to Andrew in Florida.

01:07:32.180 Hello, Andrew.

01:07:32.740 You're on the Glenn Beck program.

01:07:35.220 Glenn, good morning.

01:07:36.440 First time caller, long time listener.

01:07:38.160 How are you all doing today?

01:07:38.980 Very good.

01:07:40.700 All right.

01:07:41.240 Yeah.

01:07:41.540 You know what?

01:07:42.020 I just wanted to let you know.

01:07:43.300 I mean, I'm here from Florida.

01:07:45.080 I've been an independent most of my adult life.

01:07:47.900 And exactly what you guys just said, the vitriol on both sides is so ridiculous.

01:07:55.080 I think a lot of the independents just stay out of it because it's so immature and it makes

01:08:01.980 everyone on both sides look bad because they just can't talk to each other anymore.

01:08:06.940 It's just that far gone.

01:08:09.560 Now, that being said, everyone that I know that's an independent in the state of Florida

01:08:15.520 will be showing up for the conservatives come November.

01:08:21.700 And why is that?

01:08:23.260 I'll tell you simple reasons.

01:08:26.040 You've got people in the offices right now out there that are fighting for lower taxes.

01:08:32.960 I, myself, I'm bringing home over $3,000 more this year than I did last year, which is a huge deal for me.

01:08:42.140 I've got two little girls and I've got one more.

01:08:44.680 Finally, I've got my first son coming in April.

01:08:47.580 You know what I mean?

01:08:49.880 Yes.

01:08:50.280 And there's things like that that are going on.

01:08:53.180 And I'm a conservative Christian.

01:08:54.840 And so when you're talking about what these people represent and how they force themselves

01:09:03.100 into restaurants, they confront people when they're eating with their family, most of

01:09:07.740 independents think exactly the way I do.

01:09:10.220 They're so disgusted with some of the rhetoric on both sides, we just ignore it.

01:09:16.360 And we've always been independent thinkers and we're going to stay that way.

01:09:19.900 But we also know what's wrong is wrong and what's right is right as far as the big picture

01:09:24.980 is concerned.

01:09:25.600 And I think a lot of people are underestimating that.

01:09:28.080 Well, Andrew, you if what you say is true, then people are then the Republicans will keep

01:09:35.980 the house most likely because it is so close at levels we've never seen of interest and

01:09:42.280 participation in a midterm election ever.

01:09:44.340 Uh, and it's, it's within the margin of error between the two that if the independents come

01:09:51.360 out and they are the, they could be the ones that make all the difference on which direction

01:09:56.220 we go.

01:09:56.960 Thanks so much, Andrew.

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01:11:27.700 Glenn Beck.

01:11:30.500 Welcome to the program.

01:11:33.680 Glad you're here.

01:11:34.840 We have Larry Sharp coming in next.

01:11:38.140 He is a guy who is running for governor of New York, and we talked to him on the phone

01:11:45.500 recently, and I really, really liked him.

01:11:49.080 I thought he was just, I thought he was a guy who didn't sound like any politician I've

01:11:55.340 heard in New York, and a guy who has out-of-the-box answers that are the kinds of things that we

01:12:02.300 should be talking about.

01:12:04.020 You know, you want to fix the roads?

01:12:05.860 Okay.

01:12:06.940 How about renaming the Williamsburg Bridge to the Staples Bridge or whatever it is?

01:12:14.400 Okay.

01:12:14.840 I'm good with that.

01:12:15.680 Anybody else?

01:12:16.360 I mean, why would you be against that?

01:12:18.980 I'm totally for that.

01:12:20.440 Oh, really?

01:12:21.320 Because they'll get their name on traffic updates and everything else?

01:12:25.100 Sure.

01:12:25.540 Yeah.

01:12:25.980 Go for it.

01:12:26.980 I mean, in the situation we're in, the least of our worries is what the name of a bridge

01:12:31.300 is.

01:12:31.620 Yeah.

01:12:32.420 Yeah.

01:12:32.860 No, he's interesting.

01:12:34.340 You know, again, someone advocating for smaller government today is so rare.

01:12:38.640 I know.

01:12:39.060 It's such a freak show.

01:12:40.120 It's kind of nice.

01:12:40.500 So we have the freak here, and we're going to bring him in in a cage.

01:12:42.660 We're going to poke at him once in a while.

01:12:44.420 So watch.

01:12:45.460 He'll say smaller government.

01:12:46.920 Poke.

01:12:48.140 I love it.

01:12:49.400 I support that.

01:12:50.340 Again, I've come to the point in my life, I'd just much rather err on that side.

01:12:54.380 Even if there's certain things that I might disagree with libertarians on, I just would

01:12:59.760 rather err on the side of someone who's saying, take the power away from the government to

01:13:03.520 make those decisions.

01:13:05.340 And, you know, I mean, I'm pretty much a libertarian, at least close to it, as you

01:13:09.820 can be.

01:13:10.560 But still, it's bizarre how many people say they agree with the principles, and then

01:13:15.300 at the end...

01:13:16.200 Yeah, they really don't.

01:13:16.940 Yeah.

01:13:17.540 What it means when it comes to them.

01:13:19.300 Yeah.

01:13:19.460 When it comes to them.

01:13:20.280 It doesn't really...

01:13:20.720 Oh, no, no.

01:13:21.440 Wait a minute.

01:13:22.060 I can get that.

01:13:23.420 So, no.

01:13:25.080 No.

01:13:25.960 It only works if we all are like, no, I'm really good.

01:13:29.760 I'm really going to do it.

01:13:31.400 I'm really going to do it.

01:13:32.380 When it affects me, I'm going to do it.

01:13:34.320 That's when it counts.

01:13:36.880 Larry Sharp, candidate for governor to New York, next.

01:13:40.760 Glenn Beck is coming live to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the

01:13:44.920 people standing in the way.

01:13:46.280 He might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing.

01:13:49.860 Glenn Beck Live, the Addicted to Outrage Tour, on tour this fall.

01:13:54.060 Glenn Beck.

01:13:57.660 It's Monday, October 22nd.

01:14:00.360 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:14:02.600 Libertarian candidate for the governor of New York.

01:14:05.900 Larry Sharp joins us in studio.

01:14:08.280 You can find him at Larry Sharp.

01:14:11.040 That's with an E.

01:14:12.340 LarrySharp.com.

01:14:14.520 Larry, welcome to the program.

01:14:16.040 Thanks for having me again.

01:14:16.800 I appreciate it.

01:14:17.380 So you were on with us for a few minutes, a couple of weeks ago, over the phone, and

01:14:23.020 I was fascinated by you because you think completely out of the box.

01:14:30.320 Yes.

01:14:30.800 You're not thinking like a politician, which is exactly what I think what we need.

01:14:36.520 100%.

01:14:36.920 You are not being heard because, for instance, tomorrow they're having a debate and you're

01:14:44.340 not invited.

01:14:45.100 That's correct.

01:14:45.600 Right.

01:14:46.000 They don't like me.

01:14:47.400 I don't know why.

01:14:48.260 I don't get it.

01:14:48.900 Nobody likes you.

01:14:49.960 Oh my God.

01:14:50.560 Yeah, right.

01:14:51.820 So how does somebody like you get elected?

01:14:54.900 Look, it's establishment with establishment, right?

01:14:59.180 The establishment media stays with the establishment candidates, right?

01:15:04.280 So that's what winds up happening when it comes to debates.

01:15:06.000 They do that.

01:15:07.180 So look, you mentioned the idea that I have Ocasio-Cortez, right?

01:15:11.180 Literally, she's going to be my congressperson.

01:15:13.200 She's my district.

01:15:14.560 Yes.

01:15:14.820 In Queens.

01:15:15.200 Absolutely.

01:15:16.280 And I said, this is a good thing.

01:15:17.980 And this is a good thing because it shows one thing.

01:15:20.240 It shows this is an anti-establishment world right now.

01:15:23.540 She didn't win because she was amazing and smart and knew everything.

01:15:26.540 She wouldn't because she said, I'm not the establishment and people ran to her.

01:15:30.820 That's one of the reasons why Trump won.

01:15:32.380 It's one of the reasons why even Obama won 2008.

01:15:34.460 I mean, anti-establishment is a thing that people tend to like now.

01:15:37.860 Now, the advantage I have is I'm anti-establishment.

01:15:40.820 You're saying, how am I going to win if I can't get the mainstream media?

01:15:43.540 By doing what I'm doing now, doing podcasts, doing Facebook.

01:15:46.660 Look, Trump, one of the reasons why Trump won was Twitter, right?

01:15:50.200 That wasn't the reason, but it was one of the reasons.

01:15:51.760 He used that tool and they didn't see him coming.

01:15:54.380 I use the same tools, right?

01:15:55.920 I use Twitter.

01:15:56.700 I use Facebook.

01:15:57.600 I use podcasts.

01:15:58.660 I use the same tools.

01:16:00.160 They don't like it.

01:16:00.860 It makes them angry.

01:16:02.220 But it's what I'm using.

01:16:03.480 They didn't see them coming.

01:16:05.320 They didn't see Cortez coming either.

01:16:07.300 And they won't see me coming either.

01:16:09.020 However, with Cortez, she was she's been embraced by the establishment on the left.

01:16:17.060 The Democrats have become Democratic Socialists, which is just because you put the word

01:16:23.640 Democrat in Democratic in front of it doesn't mean that it's a really wonderful thing.

01:16:29.660 Yeah, but there's a thing you need to notice now here.

01:16:31.340 Even though a Cortez won, Nixon didn't.

01:16:34.860 And Nixon actually calls herself a socialist.

01:16:37.360 What happened?

01:16:38.460 Once they said, oh, this Cortez person's a different person.

01:16:42.020 Great.

01:16:42.260 Let's vote for her.

01:16:43.280 Then they heard what she had to say.

01:16:45.220 And you found a lot of New Yorkers went, you know what?

01:16:47.640 Maybe this isn't right.

01:16:49.260 And people who voted for Cortez shifted and voted for our current governor, His Majesty

01:16:54.680 King Andrew Cuomo II.

01:16:56.580 So they voted for him again.

01:16:58.440 So they went back to establishment after her.

01:17:00.740 So I think there was a little bit of buyer's remorse there.

01:17:03.300 There was, I'll get you establishment.

01:17:05.200 Oh, wait a minute.

01:17:05.820 No, not that much.

01:17:06.820 And I think they came back.

01:17:07.860 I think there was some buyer's remorse there.

01:17:09.400 And I think you are seeing that sometimes, right?

01:17:11.700 The average youngster, and it's usually youngsters who like socialism, right?

01:17:14.820 Doesn't know what it means.

01:17:15.900 Because there, I'll give you an example.

01:17:18.700 You find in upstate New York, you find often the rebel flag.

01:17:23.200 And some people say, well, that's the Confederate flag.

01:17:24.980 And I say, no, it isn't.

01:17:25.680 It's a symbol of rebellion, right?

01:17:27.860 And it's often a symbol of rebellion, usually on the right.

01:17:30.360 It's a symbol of rebellion.

01:17:31.080 It isn't like the people in upstate New York going, the South will rise again.

01:17:34.100 They're not saying that, right?

01:17:35.420 That's not what they're saying.

01:17:36.660 But they are saying this is a rebellion.

01:17:38.420 It's a flag of rebellion.

01:17:40.160 And Alexander Cortez is, she is a rebellion on the left.

01:17:43.760 Socialism is a rebellion on the left.

01:17:45.320 They don't know what it means.

01:17:46.600 They have no idea what it means.

01:17:47.800 They just know it's not the establishment.

01:17:49.760 The establishment's not working.

01:17:51.080 That's why Che is important.

01:17:53.700 He becomes amazing.

01:17:54.660 They have no idea what he did.

01:17:55.900 They have no idea who he is.

01:17:57.120 But he's the rebellion guy.

01:17:58.580 So he becomes a symbol of rebellion on the left.

01:18:00.900 Don't get me wrong.

01:18:01.800 Are there people on the left who are exactly who these people are?

01:18:04.140 Of course there are.

01:18:05.400 But that's often the leadership.

01:18:06.760 I'm talking the average everyday person who votes.

01:18:09.340 They just know what's happening now isn't working.

01:18:12.100 That's why people listen to me.

01:18:13.180 When I actually talk, I talk about ways of making people better.

01:18:16.760 I focus on something which will sound crazy.

01:18:19.240 I focus on happiness.

01:18:21.060 Because our nation was built on life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

01:18:25.840 And no one talks about this.

01:18:27.460 I do all the time.

01:18:28.540 Everything I'm talking about is to try to make people more happy.

01:18:31.380 Or to at least allow them to pursue happiness.

01:18:34.600 All right.

01:18:34.800 So tell me about that.

01:18:35.760 Let's start there.

01:18:36.600 Sure.

01:18:36.840 I talk about, for example, there are many controversial things that I talk about.

01:18:41.660 Education.

01:18:43.060 I have a complete revamp of the education system.

01:18:45.960 And people just want to keep funding the same system.

01:18:49.860 Making hemp and cannabis legal.

01:18:52.560 Okay.

01:18:52.700 Hang on.

01:18:53.020 Wait.

01:18:53.420 Sure.

01:18:54.200 Let's start with education.

01:18:56.360 Go with education first.

01:18:57.380 Absolutely.

01:18:58.040 I'm the one talking about getting rid of all standardized testing prior to high school.

01:19:02.580 I'm the one talking about doing that because standardized testing is an unfair way of grading teachers.

01:19:07.160 It's an unfair way of rewarding schools.

01:19:10.080 And it makes kids who are 10, 11, and 12 years old feel stupid because they can't test well.

01:19:14.400 And it's no indication of success.

01:19:16.060 And what are we finding?

01:19:16.860 We're finding literally kids.

01:19:18.400 We have a 30% rise in suicide across this entire nation to include children.

01:19:24.780 One of those reasons is family court and how broken that is.

01:19:27.440 But another reason is they're pressured to take tests and to feel stupid and to become successful at 10, 11, 12 years old.

01:19:34.100 Why?

01:19:34.980 Standardized testing is very good when you're in high school and showing where you should go, where your proclivities are.

01:19:39.720 Not a bad idea.

01:19:40.700 But 10 years old?

01:19:41.840 Why?

01:19:42.480 It's to keep control of what's happening in the schools.

01:19:45.960 I'm not okay with that.

01:19:47.140 Now, you have a bit of gray hair as I do.

01:19:49.080 So that means you were in school prior to 1980.

01:19:51.880 So was I.

01:19:53.060 Prior to 1980, there really was a Department of Education.

01:19:55.680 I mean, it existed, but it was basically a repository for information.

01:19:58.960 That's all it really was.

01:19:59.860 You didn't really do anything.

01:20:01.280 Somehow, everyone in the United States somehow learned how to read, write, survive in the world without a Department of Education.

01:20:10.560 Somehow, that worked.

01:20:11.460 Somehow, local school districts did a good job.

01:20:13.700 Somehow, that worked.

01:20:14.900 Now, you add the internet.

01:20:16.260 You add our technology.

01:20:17.920 You think the odds are worse?

01:20:19.480 I'm going to give you a quick rundown of every single time centralized control has made things better.

01:20:24.720 Finished.

01:20:26.620 Right.

01:20:27.260 Yeah.

01:20:27.740 Right.

01:20:28.060 So that's not really what I want.

01:20:29.700 I want to make sure that we have some localized control.

01:20:32.120 I'm the only guy saying, let teachers teach.

01:20:34.680 Then I don't add administrators.

01:20:36.660 Because here's the problem with getting really standardized testing.

01:20:39.080 You will lose about, we will lose in New York State.

01:20:41.380 We will lose about $4 billion in federal funding.

01:20:43.900 That's a lot of money.

01:20:44.520 But isn't that much for us?

01:20:45.680 Our budget is $60 billion.

01:20:47.660 So losing $4 billion, not the end of the world.

01:20:49.520 However, we can still fix that.

01:20:50.800 Here's the issue here.

01:20:51.840 When we lose that $4 billion, we also lose something else.

01:20:53.820 We lose all those strings attached to that $4 billion.

01:20:56.360 And there's lots of strings.

01:20:58.220 Which means administrators go away.

01:21:00.420 Administrators who are writing grants.

01:21:01.680 Administrators who are checking boxes.

01:21:03.100 All those things.

01:21:04.060 We have massive teacher burnout in New York State.

01:21:06.360 Massive.

01:21:07.100 Why?

01:21:07.420 Regulations, rules, checking boxes.

01:21:10.360 I'm the only one saying these things because I crossed the entire state.

01:21:13.760 My state has 62 counties.

01:21:15.040 I crossed all 62.

01:21:16.880 I'm calling it the full sharp, by the way.

01:21:19.220 So now I want teachers to actually want to teach.

01:21:22.060 We actually have districts that have more administrators than teachers.

01:21:25.920 The average teacher, and that's a shameful, by the way.

01:21:28.220 The average teacher makes about $80,000 a year in New York State.

01:21:31.180 And the average administrator makes over $150,000.

01:21:33.320 You dump a couple of administrators, you've hired more teachers, you've given raises,

01:21:37.600 you've bought computers, all these things.

01:21:39.700 But I'm still not done.

01:21:41.180 Why in the world would we have K through 12?

01:21:43.280 We need K through 10.

01:21:44.800 The last two years of high school for too many kids is gym, study hall, video games,

01:21:50.180 and probably smoking weed.

01:21:51.320 That's all they're doing.

01:21:52.280 How do we know this?

01:21:53.200 Because the first year of college for most kids is 13th grade.

01:21:56.620 It's a reboot because they're not ready for it.

01:21:58.480 Correct.

01:21:58.900 So now it takes at least six years for the average kid to graduate college.

01:22:02.340 Well, that's terrible.

01:22:03.580 Now we've got a 24-year-old kid who's never had a job.

01:22:06.340 And we say, I wonder why he has no work ethic.

01:22:09.280 Well, he's never had a job.

01:22:10.860 He's been screwing around for eight years, literally.

01:22:14.140 Now I have people who will tell me, literally, Larry, I will hire anybody with a work ethic.

01:22:18.760 I had one entrepreneur told me, he said, Larry, my interview process is very simple.

01:22:22.980 I tell them to show up at eight o'clock.

01:22:24.680 I open the door.

01:22:25.720 If they're there, they're hired.

01:22:27.600 That's how bad it is for people to show up at eight o'clock in the morning.

01:22:30.360 It is.

01:22:30.740 So we need to break that system.

01:22:33.020 Now, I can't change parenting.

01:22:34.300 That I can't do.

01:22:35.200 But can I change the environment?

01:22:36.920 Of course.

01:22:37.900 At 16 now instead, kids should have five choices.

01:22:41.180 They take a test.

01:22:42.580 They get a high school diploma.

01:22:43.640 Number one, if college is right for you, that's amazing.

01:22:46.560 Go to college.

01:22:47.380 The problem is we've been told a lie.

01:22:49.120 And the lie is the only way to have success in this country is to get a great high school diploma

01:22:53.620 and then go to a great college and then sit behind a desk in a computer all day.

01:22:58.480 That's a way to success.

01:23:00.160 Not even close to the only way to success.

01:23:02.580 Lots of people are happy doing all types of things and we should embrace that.

01:23:06.940 So at 16, let's start making some decisions.

01:23:08.900 If I think college is right for me, I go to a two-year prep school.

01:23:11.900 Two-year prep school is that biology, chemistry, history, whatever.

01:23:15.180 Great.

01:23:15.500 Off to college I go.

01:23:16.520 Two years and I make sure it's working right.

01:23:18.440 So by the time I get into college, I'm ready.

01:23:20.120 I can graduate in three or four years.

01:23:21.760 I can take advantage of internships, incubators.

01:23:24.300 Life is good.

01:23:25.240 I don't like that.

01:23:25.940 No worries.

01:23:26.480 I'm the super smart kid.

01:23:27.800 The kid who loves Doctor Who.

01:23:29.740 I'm teasing my Doctor Who fans.

01:23:31.600 I'm a Doctor Who fan.

01:23:32.500 There we go.

01:23:32.900 Exactly.

01:23:34.820 I'm not sure about the new doctor being a female, but that's a different story.

01:23:38.400 Go ahead.

01:23:38.580 That's okay.

01:23:38.900 Yes.

01:23:39.360 So that kid who's really smart, that kid takes the SAT right away and goes off and gets a two-year degree.

01:23:44.980 Why should they be bored in school?

01:23:46.480 They shouldn't be bored in school.

01:23:47.420 Next, you don't want any of those things?

01:23:49.220 No worries.

01:23:49.760 Go to a two-year trade school.

01:23:51.140 Go to a trade school, become a plumber, a carpenter, whatever you want to be, a mechanic, an HVAC guy.

01:23:55.360 In New York State particularly, we need that desperately.

01:23:58.500 The average tradesman in New York State is over 50.

01:24:01.340 That's a problem.

01:24:02.120 I love my 50-year-olds.

01:24:02.860 I'm 50.

01:24:03.380 I love my 50-year-olds.

01:24:04.440 My problem is they should not be the average.

01:24:06.500 They should not be doing all the work.

01:24:07.980 They should be training the youngsters, and you can't find enough in New York State to do it.

01:24:11.260 It's a problem.

01:24:12.620 So do that.

01:24:13.380 We don't like that.

01:24:13.940 Go get a job.

01:24:14.920 Why not go learn a work ethic?

01:24:16.820 Now at 16, I worked at 16.

01:24:18.720 I know lots of people in my generation worked at 16.

01:24:20.720 Yes.

01:24:21.360 Go work.

01:24:22.220 Learn what it means to have a boss.

01:24:24.120 Learn what it means when your boss says show up at 8.

01:24:26.240 That doesn't mean 930.

01:24:27.860 That actually means 745.

01:24:29.720 Learn that now at 16, 17, 18.

01:24:32.200 Get some experience.

01:24:33.740 But Larry, sounds great.

01:24:34.820 How do you pay for it?

01:24:36.060 New York State Constitution tells me I have to pay for grades 1 through 12.

01:24:39.080 Great.

01:24:39.540 I'll pay for the last two years too.

01:24:40.600 I'll still pay for them.

01:24:41.540 Here's how I do it.

01:24:42.480 I'm a Marine.

01:24:43.120 When I got in the Marine Corps, I had a GI Bill.

01:24:45.540 They gave me X dollars and Y years to use it.

01:24:48.280 Same thing here.

01:24:48.960 You're 16.

01:24:49.680 You got $20,000, seven years to use it.

01:24:52.320 Good luck.

01:24:53.260 Here's what I promise is going to happen.

01:24:55.260 A bunch of cool prep schools will pop up.

01:24:57.560 A bunch of great trade schools will pop up.

01:24:59.840 Guess how much they'll cost for two years?

01:25:01.720 Yeah.

01:25:02.160 $20,000.

01:25:02.940 Of course they will.

01:25:04.040 How do I know they'll pop up?

01:25:05.300 Because it's guaranteed government money.

01:25:06.880 What do banks love most?

01:25:08.720 Guaranteed government money.

01:25:09.980 Yes, they do.

01:25:10.700 So they will absolutely give loans to make these schools pop up.

01:25:12.980 It'll be amazing.

01:25:14.180 But here's the best part.

01:25:15.240 When these schools pop up, now we're spending $10,000 per kid per year for these last two years.

01:25:20.520 New York State spends $22,000 per year per kid.

01:25:24.720 So we're saving $12,000 each.

01:25:27.020 12,000 times the 400,000 11th and 12th graders is more than $4 billion.

01:25:32.140 We've saved all of the federal funds.

01:25:34.060 We've removed tons of administrators.

01:25:36.500 We've given teachers a better chance to actually teach.

01:25:39.760 We've given teachers freedom to do what they feel is appropriate.

01:25:42.420 We've got rid of Common Core.

01:25:44.580 We've made teenagers who are unhappy happier.

01:25:47.640 And this goes to the next level, which is school safety.

01:25:50.840 If you look at all the school shootings we've had, while they are murders, at their core,

01:25:56.720 they're public suicides.

01:25:58.080 They're unhappy kids.

01:25:59.720 That's in their core.

01:26:00.420 They're unhappy kids.

01:26:01.660 Now think about this.

01:26:02.600 11th and 12th grade.

01:26:03.660 You're an 11th and 12th grader.

01:26:05.280 You're in a class with everyone who wants to be there.

01:26:09.140 The bully kid isn't there.

01:26:10.380 The bully kid's in something else.

01:26:11.800 The kid's a bully because he doesn't want to be there.

01:26:13.960 That's why he's a bully.

01:26:15.260 But now he goes someplace else.

01:26:17.000 You're a teacher in 11th and 12th grade.

01:26:18.800 Discipline problems almost go away.

01:26:20.800 Why?

01:26:21.480 All the kids want to be there.

01:26:23.180 They've taught.

01:26:24.040 What's killing our children isn't guns.

01:26:26.120 What's killing our children is lack of community, lack of purpose.

01:26:29.380 And loneliness.

01:26:30.700 That's killing our kids.

01:26:32.160 Put them in these worlds.

01:26:33.520 All that goes away.

01:26:35.220 I can't go shoot my fellow friend.

01:26:37.120 The teacher's having me, you know, build a rocket with my class.

01:26:40.500 I can't go shoot anybody.

01:26:41.560 The farmer needs me to fix a tractor.

01:26:43.700 I've got things to do.

01:26:44.720 I have purpose.

01:26:45.720 I have meaning.

01:26:46.220 I don't do things like that anymore.

01:26:48.380 We are living in a world of massive change.

01:26:52.400 Yes.

01:26:52.720 Massive change.

01:26:53.780 And when's the last time you heard any politician sound anything like this running for governor

01:27:02.560 of New York?

01:27:03.420 His name is Larry Sharp.

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01:29:11.480 I don't know about you, but I'm tired of the same old politics.

01:29:14.740 And Larry Sharp is joining us now.

01:29:17.980 He is running for governor in New York, and I think his ideas need to be heard, and he

01:29:24.020 needs to be introduced to a larger audience.

01:29:29.320 What is your organization like?

01:29:31.020 What's your ground game like?

01:29:32.120 Yeah, we have probably the best libertarian ground game I've seen in a long time, if probably

01:29:37.600 ever.

01:29:38.020 We have over seven or eight directors and campaign manager, about 35 to 50 people who

01:29:43.480 are actively working every day on every aspect of the campaign to include things like scheduling,

01:29:49.260 setting up events, fixing our calendar, making sure people show up, social media.

01:29:54.000 We have a team on Twitter, a team on Instagram, a team on Facebook.

01:29:58.660 We have a team on everything.

01:30:00.060 YouTube.

01:30:00.960 We do video production.

01:30:02.320 We do everything.

01:30:02.780 And you don't have, but you're lacking money.

01:30:05.300 You're up against people who have tens of millions of dollars.

01:30:08.120 Tens of millions of dollars, absolutely.

01:30:09.780 We've raised almost half a million.

01:30:11.520 But to be clear, if in these last couple of weeks, if we raise another $50,000, $100,000,

01:30:17.420 this becomes winnable.

01:30:18.840 I know it sounds crazy, but it is.

01:30:20.400 And the reason is name recognition is my only issue.

01:30:23.500 The last poll we put out, I was at about one third name recognition.

01:30:26.960 And with that, I polled at 13%.

01:30:29.100 So you can do the math on that one.

01:30:31.380 Three times to get to 100% equals 39%, right?

01:30:34.500 Three times 13, 39%.

01:30:36.060 This is a five-way race.

01:30:37.800 30% could win this thing.

01:30:39.760 So I'm nine points above victory, assuming I can get 100%.

01:30:43.800 There's the hard part, right?

01:30:45.260 It's a math equation.

01:30:46.060 Can I get to 100%?

01:30:47.580 And sadly, that's not my message.

01:30:49.220 I've got that down.

01:30:50.360 It's the media.

01:30:51.100 Can I get my name out to enough people to where I cross over that barrier, which gets

01:30:55.040 me over the 30%?

01:30:55.820 I can't believe that there's, I mean, it's like libertarians don't want to win.

01:30:59.140 Yes.

01:31:00.020 It really is.

01:31:01.680 Yes.

01:31:01.860 Well, again, you got to remember, as third party in general, the system is stacked against

01:31:05.620 you.

01:31:06.060 And someone the other day was telling me, they said, you know, only someone who has

01:31:09.020 like a Marine mentality could do this because every day I'm up against failure.

01:31:13.980 But the Marine Corps taught me, take the hill.

01:31:16.080 The captain shot.

01:31:17.300 Take the hill.

01:31:18.220 The machine gun's broken.

01:31:19.520 Take the hill.

01:31:20.840 The radios don't work.

01:31:22.000 Take the hill.

01:31:23.120 Stop giving me excuses.

01:31:24.520 Take the hill.

01:31:25.100 I get it.

01:31:25.840 And that's what I do.

01:31:27.120 I have to take the hill.

01:31:27.700 Does it matter?

01:31:28.820 I get, I literally deal with failure every day, disappointment every day.

01:31:32.060 And when I say that, that's not an exaggeration.

01:31:34.180 That's every single day.

01:31:35.620 As I mentioned earlier, there's going to be a debate coming up here tomorrow at WCBS.

01:31:39.500 And they're only going to include the Democrat Republican.

01:31:42.080 Even though I'm on the ballot.

01:31:43.880 Even though 31,000 New Yorkers signed a petition to get me on that ballot.

01:31:48.900 WCBS, I think a guy named Tim Schell, I think is his name.

01:31:52.900 He there has decided, nope, Larry Sharp doesn't deserve to be on there.

01:31:56.120 He's decided that the establishment is all that matters.

01:31:58.800 This is what I'm up against.

01:32:00.000 It's not going to stop me.

01:32:01.240 I'm still taking the hill.

01:32:02.900 But it's yet another obstacle we have to get over.

01:32:05.740 So if you're a libertarian or you're hearing something that you think should be heard,

01:32:11.540 then you should probably maybe tweet Storm.

01:32:16.140 What's his name again at CBS?

01:32:18.580 WCBS Radio, 880 Radio.

01:32:21.080 I think his name is Tim Schell.

01:32:22.260 So this is a radio debate.

01:32:23.700 Yes.

01:32:24.120 Well, it's going to be televised also now.

01:32:25.460 Okay.

01:32:25.860 It'll be both televised and radio.

01:32:27.720 It'll be both.

01:32:28.600 Okay.

01:32:28.960 So yeah, again, and they're just deciding, no, we don't want, don't get me wrong.

01:32:32.980 There are three other people.

01:32:33.980 It should be me.

01:32:34.620 It should also be the Green Party and also the Sam Party.

01:32:36.720 They should all be there.

01:32:37.720 But this is the norm.

01:32:38.520 And we put up against this, we're up against this constantly.

01:32:41.380 And here's the worst part.

01:32:43.000 With all of this, we're still growing and they're still going down.

01:32:47.320 That's the sad part.

01:32:48.360 They don't realize they're on a sinking ship.

01:32:51.860 Or maybe they don't even care.

01:32:53.740 If people want to donate, how do they donate?

01:32:55.340 LarrySharp.com slash donate.

01:32:57.140 And to be clear, if some of you want to give $45,000, you can't.

01:33:01.500 The maximum is $44,000 by New York state law.

01:33:05.300 I know someone's going, I want to give Larry $45,000.

01:33:08.300 Sorry, you can't do it.

01:33:09.520 $44,000.

01:33:10.100 You only can give $44,000.

01:33:11.620 That's all you can give.

01:33:12.260 Wow.

01:33:12.480 Okay.

01:33:12.640 Yes.

01:33:13.320 LarrySharp.com.

01:33:14.560 That's with an E at the end of sharp.

01:33:16.480 I want to talk to you about some of the issues of the day and how we solve some of the things

01:33:21.740 like, for instance, health care.

01:33:23.380 Yes.

01:33:23.800 How do you solve health care?

01:33:24.940 We'll do that coming up in just a second.

01:33:28.560 Standby.

01:33:28.960 Anyway, on television tonight is tonight Michael Reckenwald.

01:33:33.460 Tonight, Michael Reckenwald from New York University, a fascinating guy.

01:33:39.420 If you haven't met him yet, you will tonight.

01:33:42.460 And it will be something you don't forget.

01:33:44.720 A guy who used to write white papers for the Communist Party, who now says, wait a minute.

01:33:49.620 Let Democratic Socialists scare the hell out of me.

01:33:56.980 We're with Larry Sharp, gubernatorial candidate for New York.

01:34:02.660 He is libertarian and is making waves in New York, and he's a voice that you should hear

01:34:09.920 because his policies are different than the Republican and the Democrat, and I believe

01:34:16.020 they're very workable.

01:34:17.980 In an era when we are changing everything, when technology has changed everything, why

01:34:24.640 we're still looking at a system that feels like the old Soviet-style centralized system

01:34:32.220 is beyond me.

01:34:33.700 But, Larry, let me just run down a couple of things.

01:34:38.100 You are, if you were governor of the state of New York, you are dealing with the big banks.

01:34:45.400 And the big banks, Cuomo is pushing them around quite a bit, especially when it comes to the

01:34:53.380 Second Amendment, and trying to de-platform people.

01:34:58.220 If you do any business with gun manufacturers or gun dealers.

01:35:04.660 Totally unethical for a governor to impede business.

01:35:08.260 Period.

01:35:09.020 No ifs, no ands, no buts.

01:35:10.600 If I don't like an industry or I don't like something, I've ever had to say it if I want

01:35:15.260 to, I have freedom of speech.

01:35:16.420 But when it comes to being governor, I should be the opposite.

01:35:18.860 I should be the facilitator-in-chief.

01:35:20.340 I should be the marketer-in-chief, not his majesty, an emperor who decides these people

01:35:25.380 are evil because I deem it so.

01:35:27.020 That's the wrong answer.

01:35:28.140 That's what he's doing.

01:35:29.140 The reality of it is, he's also-

01:35:30.600 Well, he's not only doing that, he's also threatening another group of business people

01:35:36.100 that you'll be in trouble with the state if you do business with these people.

01:35:40.680 Yes, absolutely.

01:35:42.000 And what winds up happening more than often is the normal thing, which is the small guy

01:35:46.940 gets hurt here because big business will always find a way around his edicts, right?

01:35:51.640 They always, they find a way around it.

01:35:53.420 But how about the guy who, say, for example, just wants insurance for his firearm?

01:35:58.780 Now he can't get it.

01:36:00.200 There's no way that the individual, and there are at least 4 million gun owners in New York

01:36:05.360 State, if not more.

01:36:07.380 Well, how are they going to get insurance now?

01:36:09.300 When insurance companies won't do business in New York State anymore for any kind of firearm.

01:36:13.860 But that's the plan, isn't it?

01:36:15.280 That's the problem, yes.

01:36:16.500 And that's the unethical part.

01:36:18.120 That's the issue, right?

01:36:19.680 And this is, you're making New York State residents criminals overnight.

01:36:24.820 Not just that, if it's a gun violation in New York State, it's by default a violent felony.

01:36:29.880 By default, no matter what you do.

01:36:31.520 That's how it works in New York State.

01:36:33.040 You're turning millions of New Yorkers into violent felons overnight.

01:36:37.040 And we wonder why we're losing-

01:36:37.860 If you have a gun-

01:36:39.860 If you have a firearm that is not SAFE Act compliant, SAFE Act was passed in 2013.

01:36:46.240 And the SAFE Act said that certain aspects of a firearm make it legal or illegal.

01:36:50.880 Literally, what he decided, I think this piece of plastic is evil.

01:36:55.500 So this piece of plastic, which is now evil, which by the way, you purchased the day before

01:36:59.440 completely legally, totally above board.

01:37:02.120 You are now a violent felon.

01:37:04.740 It was so bad that the cops said, wait a minute, now we're all violent felons too.

01:37:09.540 I'm not joking.

01:37:10.100 It's a true story.

01:37:10.980 They had to now revamp the law because all the cops were felons overnight.

01:37:15.400 Yes, all the cops were.

01:37:16.740 So they had to revamp the law because of that.

01:37:18.440 And now the worst part is now if you're a retired cop, once you retire, well, now you're

01:37:21.620 a felon again because you're no longer an activity cop.

01:37:24.600 This is where we are in New York State.

01:37:26.580 This is horribly bad.

01:37:28.240 The answer is, and always the same thing, it is all about projecting how he is helping the

01:37:33.820 little guy.

01:37:35.020 Constantly he will project.

01:37:36.100 I care about the little guy.

01:37:37.300 But in every single aspect, he fails.

01:37:40.240 I'm a businessman.

01:37:41.900 If I lost 100,000 customers every single year for eight years, I should be fired.

01:37:47.380 That's what he's done.

01:37:48.400 We've lost over a million since he's ascended the throne.

01:37:51.780 Over a million.

01:37:52.800 That's a problem.

01:37:53.900 Leaving New York.

01:37:54.180 Leaving New York State.

01:37:55.220 Over a million.

01:37:55.760 Over 100,000 every year for eight years.

01:37:57.920 The total is over a million.

01:37:59.480 Look, they're voting with their feet.

01:38:01.180 We did.

01:38:02.100 Yes.

01:38:02.500 It's so bad.

01:38:03.760 It is so bad that Rick Scott, the governor of Florida, was teasing and said, thank you,

01:38:07.620 Cuomo, because all the retirees we have are going to Florida.

01:38:11.780 And they have pensions that New York State residents are paying for still.

01:38:15.660 And these pensions now aren't being spent in New York State.

01:38:17.980 They're being spent in Florida.

01:38:19.820 We are literally writing checks to Florida every single month.

01:38:24.460 Horrible.

01:38:25.180 That's how bad it is.

01:38:26.140 Yes.

01:38:26.420 So, let's take pensions now.

01:38:29.180 Sure.

01:38:29.700 Pensions are, it's a ticking time bomb.

01:38:32.720 Yes.

01:38:33.000 There's no way to pay for it.

01:38:35.500 Yep.

01:38:36.100 You're going to break all of the promises to people who work their whole life and were

01:38:40.960 promised a lie.

01:38:42.300 Yep.

01:38:42.800 What do you do?

01:38:43.340 You see it here in Texas with your police force.

01:38:45.060 Oh, yeah.

01:38:45.480 You see it right now.

01:38:46.160 Here in Dallas.

01:38:46.580 Yes, here in Dallas.

01:38:47.300 You see it already.

01:38:47.800 Already happening.

01:38:48.380 I bring up all the time.

01:38:49.040 Yep.

01:38:49.140 In New York State, we are the most unionized state in the entire nation.

01:38:53.640 So, pensions are critical.

01:38:54.640 Right now, pensions are about 15 to 16% of our budget.

01:38:57.760 And our budget is $170 billion.

01:39:00.280 It's double Florida.

01:39:01.600 And Florida has more people than us.

01:39:03.300 Wow.

01:39:03.820 Yes.

01:39:04.440 Florida is about $85 billion.

01:39:05.880 And they have more people than us.

01:39:06.700 And we have $170 billion budget.

01:39:08.280 Our budget is massive.

01:39:09.380 And it's getting bigger.

01:39:10.520 The budget is getting bigger.

01:39:11.480 And so are the percentages of the pensions.

01:39:14.140 But on top of that, New York State has about a $300 billion debt and about a $4 to $5 billion deficit.

01:39:20.580 So, it's bad, bad, bad, any way you add.

01:39:22.960 Now, people always tell me, but Larry, the pension fund is good.

01:39:26.140 They're right.

01:39:26.680 The fund itself is doing relatively well.

01:39:28.560 Some of the upstate pensions are doing very well.

01:39:30.660 Some of the city ones are a disaster.

01:39:31.800 But overall, it's doing well.

01:39:32.920 They don't realize it's being also funded by our tax base, our budget that keeps putting money into it.

01:39:38.640 The problem isn't the fund right now.

01:39:40.200 That's great.

01:39:41.220 The problem is the actual budget.

01:39:42.660 At one point, it gets so big that we simply can't pay it anymore, as you're seeing in Dallas.

01:39:47.940 And my response to it all the time is, but Larry, it's in the Constitution.

01:39:50.740 Yeah, I get that.

01:39:51.880 Ask Detroit.

01:39:53.460 Right?

01:39:53.820 Ask Puerto Rico.

01:39:55.100 Right?

01:39:55.340 Ask Venezuela.

01:39:56.260 It was all legal for them, too.

01:39:57.900 When there's no money, it doesn't get funded.

01:40:00.340 When it doesn't get funded, that eventually will collapse.

01:40:02.980 If that collapses, if our pension fund collapses in New York State, we become Somalia overnight.

01:40:08.300 I don't want to become Somalia overnight.

01:40:10.180 I want to stop that.

01:40:10.840 I'm the only guy talking about negotiating our pensions into the right area, which is some type of 401k, 403b, something like that.

01:40:18.640 And I'm going to negotiate with every single union that will take forever, I know.

01:40:22.360 That's why I say it's a four-year plan.

01:40:24.340 It's a four-year plan to make it so that New York State is paying either a flat fee and or a flat percentage that is sustainable.

01:40:31.400 Because the issue we have is we have a lot of people who have pensions who are no longer paying in anymore.

01:40:35.580 So we just simply have to keep paying them until they don't need pensions anymore.

01:40:39.460 So we have to do that also.

01:40:40.940 It used to be like 10 firefighters supporting one.

01:40:43.260 Now it's one supporting 10 firefighters.

01:40:45.160 That's correct.

01:40:45.560 I think actually we're supporting four.

01:40:47.200 I think that's right.

01:40:47.960 I'm not sure.

01:40:48.440 I was making the number up.

01:40:49.260 Yeah, I think we're supporting three or four.

01:40:51.240 So, yeah, it's bad.

01:40:52.440 So now we have to make that change.

01:40:54.380 And the funny thing is people are attacking me saying, Laya wants to get rid of our pensions.

01:40:58.300 I'm like, I'm the only guy trying to keep them.

01:41:01.220 I'm the only one talking about reality.

01:41:02.960 I'm talking about what's actually happening.

01:41:04.380 If you're ready for a pension now, it's 10 or 15 years from now, it's probably not going to be there for you.

01:41:10.400 But why deal with that?

01:41:12.540 I mean, it's human nature.

01:41:13.840 Why deal with that if the two on the other side, GOP and the Democrats, are saying,

01:41:19.440 Oh, he's an extremist.

01:41:21.860 He's trying to spook you.

01:41:24.140 Your pensions are fine.

01:41:25.620 It's human nature to follow them.

01:41:28.500 Agreed.

01:41:28.960 But I have a problem, Glenn.

01:41:31.040 I care.

01:41:32.460 I have a problem.

01:41:33.500 I'm human.

01:41:34.340 I have a problem.

01:41:35.160 I want people to stay in my state.

01:41:36.780 I want people to stay in my state because if they don't, my state's going to collapse and I have to move.

01:41:42.000 And I don't want to move.

01:41:43.100 I'm born and raised in New York State.

01:41:44.580 My family and friends are in New York State.

01:41:45.960 I love my state.

01:41:47.760 People love New York.

01:41:48.920 They hate New York's government.

01:41:50.660 New York State is very special.

01:41:52.540 It has the largest city in the entire nation.

01:41:55.700 It has an amazing waterfall in Niagara Falls.

01:41:57.820 It has mountains as cool as Colorado.

01:41:59.700 It has farmland as cool as, yes, I'm a New Yorker.

01:42:02.300 Yes, as cool as Colorado.

01:42:03.440 Sorry, yes.

01:42:04.940 Farmland as cool as the Midwest.

01:42:07.020 It has amazing rivers and lakes and everything you can imagine in New York State is there.

01:42:10.660 It's a beautiful, diverse state.

01:42:12.060 And we're destroying it because we're letting one city run the entire state.

01:42:15.060 Most of my idea is about happiness, but the other part is about decentralization.

01:42:19.940 It's about letting counties be counties and regions be regions and towns be towns, right?

01:42:24.840 People upstate tend to get upset with people in New York City saying, well, they're running it and they're bad and cut them off.

01:42:30.860 If you ran your own county, you wouldn't care.

01:42:34.540 And that's what I want.

01:42:35.460 Let people in New York City be New York City.

01:42:37.480 Let people in Rochester be Rochester.

01:42:39.140 Isn't that, though, what we're debating now over the Electoral College?

01:42:44.240 Yep.

01:42:44.460 The only reason why we're debating the Electoral College is because it's the original debate.

01:42:48.400 I don't want New York City to tell me in the middle of the country how to live my life.

01:42:54.100 Yes.

01:42:54.200 Don't let San Francisco be San Francisco.

01:42:57.320 Absolutely.

01:42:58.100 You want to poop on the streets.

01:42:59.000 That's fine.

01:42:59.700 Yes.

01:43:00.100 But we're different here.

01:43:02.060 Yes.

01:43:02.860 And maybe you want to visit them once in a while.

01:43:04.760 Right.

01:43:05.080 And look at the poop.

01:43:06.400 Right.

01:43:07.000 I'm good with that.

01:43:07.780 Whatever.

01:43:07.920 Whatever your thing is.

01:43:08.920 And they should be allowed to do to their city, their county, what they want to do.

01:43:13.300 100% true.

01:43:14.260 And it's not happening.

01:43:15.180 And the issue is we're getting more and more centralized control.

01:43:17.620 It happens in any large organization.

01:43:19.480 As I told you, I'm a business guy.

01:43:20.880 Right.

01:43:21.100 And I'm the guy who I will come in sometimes and try to help businesses and fix them, make

01:43:26.260 things better.

01:43:26.840 And the last thing I say is iron fist.

01:43:29.560 It's the last thing I say.

01:43:31.260 I hear all the time.

01:43:32.120 I go to a business owner and he goes, my leaders aren't doing what they should do.

01:43:36.360 I can't get them to innovate.

01:43:37.600 I can't get them to take charge of things.

01:43:40.300 And the last thing I say is iron fist.

01:43:42.460 I say, give them actually more freedom.

01:43:44.640 Here's what I know.

01:43:45.320 It's literally an equation.

01:43:46.320 Personal freedom plus transparency plus accountability equals innovation.

01:43:53.440 That happens all the time.

01:43:55.140 So you give the people a bit more freedom.

01:43:56.860 Let the leaders take charge.

01:43:58.160 Some will make mistakes.

01:43:59.260 But as long as you're transparent, you learn from them.

01:44:01.180 You become humbled by them, which is fine.

01:44:02.680 We all make mistakes.

01:44:04.160 But then which of the ones who simply want to make a mistake, blame someone else?

01:44:08.100 Now you see that.

01:44:09.120 These are the leaders you don't need.

01:44:10.360 Which are the ones who will not make any mistakes?

01:44:12.300 They're doing nothing.

01:44:13.380 Those are the leaders you don't need.

01:44:14.520 You need the ones to get up, try, do well, hit a couple home runs, strike out sometimes, get better, become humbled, and become better leaders.

01:44:22.820 In the long run, that's how you make a better organization.

01:44:25.520 We don't have that now.

01:44:27.680 Larry is going to join me for a podcast.

01:44:30.640 You'll hear about 90 minutes uninterrupted.

01:44:34.360 And we'll put that out on Saturday.

01:44:37.300 Larry Sharp is his name.

01:44:39.160 And you need to listen to him.

01:44:42.360 I have a feeling if he doesn't win New York, we're going to be seeing him again, perhaps elsewhere.

01:44:51.500 But he is worth your time to listen to.

01:44:55.800 And if you're in New York, consider voting for.

01:44:58.860 I can't imagine.

01:45:00.420 I can't imagine what would stop you because it's not working as it is.

01:45:04.480 But that's just me.

01:45:05.980 Larry Sharp.

01:45:07.140 S-H-A-R-P-E.

01:45:09.920 LarrySharp.com is how you can get involved, make a donation, or read more about him.

01:45:15.500 Larry, thank you so much.

01:45:16.800 Thank you.

01:45:17.320 Appreciate it.

01:45:18.480 Again, he'll be on with us Saturday for the podcast.

01:45:23.820 All right.

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01:46:18.700 They're selling you a loan.

01:46:20.320 And you're going to pay through the nose.

01:46:22.500 You need somebody who's not on commission from the banks looking for the best deal for you.

01:46:28.200 It's American Financing.

01:46:29.460 You'll find them at 800-906-2440.

01:46:32.800 800-906-2440.

01:46:35.820 You're looking to finance a home.

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01:46:46.640 There is so much that we have.

01:46:54.360 I want to educate myself on a little bit more before I present to you.

01:46:57.340 But there is a global dollar shortage.

01:47:01.380 And I know that sounds crazy.

01:47:03.400 But all of a sudden, when you understand this one thing, all of a sudden, everything starts to make sense.

01:47:08.000 I'm suffering from a localized dollar shortage.

01:47:10.420 Are you?

01:47:11.180 Yeah.

01:47:11.580 So if you could help me out with that.

01:47:12.800 This will make this worse.

01:47:14.460 Okay.

01:47:14.780 And it has everything to do with our spending.

01:47:16.520 Also, new reports out show that Donald Trump does not have any intention of easing on China.

01:47:23.660 And things are not real good.

01:47:28.060 Have you heard the latest about global warming?

01:47:30.740 No.

01:47:31.280 Oh, yeah.

01:47:31.740 You need to know about this.

01:47:32.780 This is important.

01:47:33.380 Sure.

01:47:34.420 So they are, global warming is going to make species go extinct, as you know.

01:47:40.200 Well, of course.

01:47:41.120 Of course.

01:47:41.700 And so through the global warming from 1970 to today, there's been a big change in the moose population of New Hampshire and Maine.

01:47:49.640 Oh, my gosh.

01:47:50.340 Are we losing moose?

01:47:51.280 Well, we went from, we had 50, only 50 moose in 1970.

01:47:54.680 Oh, my gosh.

01:47:55.140 Now we have between 70 and 80,000 moose in the two areas.

01:47:59.880 So we've gone from 50, not 50,000, but 50 to almost 80,000 in the two areas.

01:48:06.680 And that, of course, was through this huge period of global warming that we all know about.

01:48:11.920 Now, here's the issue, Glenn.

01:48:13.240 And this is why you'll say, well, that means it's doing the opposite.

01:48:16.100 No.

01:48:16.600 No.

01:48:17.140 Global warming is at fault for this population boom, which is at fault for a tick boom.

01:48:26.680 Because now they're saying there's tens of thousands of ticks on all these on each moose.

01:48:31.440 Oh, my gosh.

01:48:32.020 And the global warming is at fault for that, which could start killing mooses in the future.

01:48:40.840 No way.

01:48:41.560 So these extra ticks are killing.

01:48:46.220 You went from 50 to 80,000.

01:48:49.160 Yes, but the ticks are going to kill them now.

01:48:51.200 But now, and they say they found like 70 dead mooses, meeses.

01:48:58.400 Meese.

01:48:58.820 I think it's meese.

01:48:59.720 I'm pretty sure it's meese.

01:49:02.020 They found like 70, and now they think up to 170 may have died because there's too many ticks on them because of all the global warming.

01:49:09.880 After the population has exploded from 50 to 80,000.

01:49:15.620 This is a New York Times story.

01:49:17.760 But there's 70 that have been found dead.

01:49:19.440 It's an epidemic.

01:49:21.040 Wouldn't you say overall, however, the environment for the meeses has improved?

01:49:29.480 No, they have to live with ticks.

01:49:31.300 And they're hot.

01:49:32.520 They're wearing a fur coat all the time.

01:49:34.140 Or they're cold.

01:49:35.360 And they don't have thick enough fur.

01:49:37.360 One of the two.

01:49:38.360 Okay.

01:49:39.000 One of the two.

01:49:39.440 By the way, the 5,000 people that are now making their way to our border.

01:49:46.760 What are the odds that they arrive just in time for the election?

01:49:52.880 I don't know.

01:49:54.140 Is it Donald Trump's birthday?

01:49:55.840 I can't figure out what the point of this is.

01:49:58.480 It seems like if you wanted to empower immigration hardliners, there would be absolutely no better way of doing it than this caravan.

01:50:08.460 They want to empower Hispanics.

01:50:12.020 They want to ignite.

01:50:13.560 They need the Hispanic base to rise up and go to the polls.

01:50:17.100 I'm sure they do.

01:50:18.080 That's exactly what it is.

01:50:18.760 It's a strange calculation.

01:50:19.680 They're just using these people.

01:50:20.640 Oh, absolutely.

01:50:21.500 They're just using people.

01:50:22.500 I mean, just like they did with the Kavanaugh case.

01:50:25.640 It's a gift to Republicans, though.

01:50:26.940 This is a gift.

01:50:28.260 Anyone who's moderate on this issue, I mean, you can't see this as being the right way to go.

01:50:32.080 No, you're going to see the other side.

01:50:33.400 You're going to see the horrible scrambling at the border, and you think people are going to stay at home?

01:50:38.740 No way.

01:50:39.400 No way.

01:50:40.800 Glenn.

01:50:41.680 Back.

01:50:42.740 Mercury.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 22, 2018

'Leading Libertarian'？ - 10⧸22⧸18

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