The Glenn Beck Program - 'Little Steps of Courage'？ - 9⧸26⧸18

00:00:00.000 The Blaze Radio Network, on demand, Glenn Beck.

00:00:30.000 That sounds peaceful and nice, doesn't it?

00:00:43.100 That was Washington, D.C., Antifa, harassing Ted Cruz and his wife as they tried to have just a date night in an upscale D.C. restaurant.

00:00:51.300 The group followed Cruz into the building, surrounded them, yelled in their faces, and even surrounded their table.

00:01:00.000 Antifa filmed the entire thing, as one of their members badgered Senator Cruz with a barrage of ridiculous questions about Brett Kavanaugh.

00:01:08.460 The couple eventually had to flee the restaurant.

00:01:13.420 What are we turning into, America?

00:01:16.720 Antifa was very proud of themselves.

00:01:18.660 They, of course, took to Twitter, claiming the entire operation in a long tweet thread, which included the video of the entire event.

00:01:26.880 It concluded with this, quote, 1.00

00:01:29.080 This is a message to Ted Cruz, Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump, and the rest of the racist, sexist, transphobic, and homophobic right-wing scum. 1.00

00:01:37.540 You are not safe. 1.00

00:01:40.280 We will find you.

00:01:42.860 So now let me recap here for a minute.

00:01:44.740 Antifa tracked down a public figure in a public place, harassed him, yelled at both Cruz and his wife, then used the Twitter platform to make it go viral and added a threat to boot.

00:01:58.800 Now, we've been asking Twitter to show us some sort of standard that users can look to so we know what is or isn't suspendable or bannable offense on their platform.

00:02:10.900 It appeared we finally got that when they banned Alex Jones.

00:02:15.640 Now, if you remember right, why was Alex Jones banned?

00:02:19.620 Twitter had claimed that he had engaged and targeted and harassed CNN reporter Oliver Darcy.

00:02:27.860 They stated, and I quote, tweets designed to threaten, belittle, demean, and silence individuals have no place on this platform.

00:02:39.340 So here is a serious question for the CEO of Twitter, Jack Dorsey.

00:02:46.200 How is what Antifa did to Senator Cruz and his wife any different at all to what you banned Alex Jones for?

00:02:54.780 In fact, Alex Jones seems tame in comparison.

00:02:59.720 They targeted two people at a public space.

00:03:03.040 They harassed them, belittled, demeaned, and tried to silence them.

00:03:06.960 They even went a step further and added an actual threat.

00:03:10.840 This is miles worse than what Alex Jones did to Oliver Darcy.

00:03:15.420 As of this morning, the Washington, D.C. Antifa Twitter account at Smash Racism D.C. is still active.

00:03:24.900 Here's another question.

00:03:27.180 But this one is to Silicon Valley or maybe to that young dreamer who's starting a tech company out of their garage.

00:03:33.520 The free market is ripe to completely dethrone the social media landscape.

00:03:40.480 Found a company on the basis of actual freedom and actual free speech.

00:03:46.520 It is way past time for Twitter and Facebook to be pushed off of their pedestal.

00:03:52.980 It's Wednesday, September 26th.

00:04:02.800 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:09.980 What does it take to stand up and what is it going to take in the future?

00:04:13.660 I've told you this for probably 10 years now.

00:04:19.060 Courage is a muscle and you have to exercise that muscle.

00:04:23.480 Otherwise, it will atrophy.

00:04:25.540 And when it comes time to actually use that muscle, you won't be prepared.

00:04:29.940 You won't be able to do it.

00:04:33.700 When muscles atrophy, the entire system is knocked out of balance.

00:04:39.780 The courage that it takes to speak your mind today is pretty heavy.

00:04:57.160 You'll pay a heavy price to stand up for what you really truly believe.

00:05:01.760 But it's worth it.

00:05:05.480 Because in the end, the only thing you're going home with is your integrity.

00:05:11.680 That's the only thing that you have that really means anything.

00:05:14.660 Truly.

00:05:15.580 Take it from a guy who's lost everything before.

00:05:18.520 Your integrity.

00:05:20.080 Your ability to recognize the truth, the hard truth,

00:05:26.480 and say it first to yourself and to your friends and to your family.

00:05:35.320 That's a rare commodity.

00:05:38.800 And it's something that doesn't come without paying a price.

00:05:44.280 Heaven knows how to attach the proper price

00:05:49.280 to whatever it is, courage, freedom, which go hand in hand.

00:05:59.260 The people who are standing up now in Antifa,

00:06:02.380 they're not courageous.

00:06:05.260 Because they're not saying anything that they're having to pay for.

00:06:12.360 They're not going to pay a price.

00:06:14.500 They're beloved by the media.

00:06:16.920 They're protected by the media.

00:06:20.220 They're protected and danced around by anyone in power.

00:06:25.120 Speaking truth to power.

00:06:28.040 That takes courage.

00:06:32.120 The power of the patriarchy.

00:06:35.340 It's.

00:06:36.660 There's no power there.

00:06:38.800 There's no power there.

00:06:40.720 The power of Washington.

00:06:43.440 There's no power.

00:06:46.300 The power is in the mob now.

00:06:49.280 The power to destroy somebody.

00:06:55.120 For the Republicans to stand up against the mob.

00:07:00.240 Knowing that they all have skeletons in their closet.

00:07:02.940 Knowing that they could easily be smeared next.

00:07:05.240 Will they stand up?

00:07:14.800 Basic American principles are at stake.

00:07:19.180 Decency.

00:07:21.200 Kindness.

00:07:24.200 Charity.

00:07:26.200 Honesty.

00:07:28.140 Integrity.

00:07:29.800 Justice.

00:07:30.460 Justice.

00:07:30.680 Justice.

00:07:33.580 Justice.

00:07:37.320 Antifa says this is about Brett Kavanaugh.

00:07:39.420 But it's not.

00:07:40.980 It would have been about something else.

00:07:43.020 If it wasn't Brett Kavanaugh.

00:07:44.140 It would clearly be about something else.

00:07:46.020 They don't care.

00:07:47.840 They're trying to destroy the system.

00:07:49.580 Ted Cruz is viewed as a guy who wants to, you know, keep the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

00:07:59.440 I know that's crazy and outrageous.

00:08:01.460 Wants to keep them intact.

00:08:04.640 He won't fold on Kavanaugh.

00:08:06.800 Unless there's a reason to fold.

00:08:10.560 But one of those principles that we stand up for is innocent until proven guilty.

00:08:19.640 Since when did we become this nation of witch hunters? 0.93

00:08:24.360 Since when did one person's voice matter more than another voice? 0.96

00:08:30.100 Since when have we felt comfortable living in a society that if you can tell a better story, if you can perform better, if you're in the, if you're in the popular group, you can destroy somebody else.

00:08:49.140 Because that's what's happening with Brett Kavanaugh.

00:08:51.520 I don't know if he's guilty or innocent.

00:08:54.120 I have no idea if this happened.

00:08:55.660 I can tell you just looking at the basic facts, there's nothing really there to be able to judge it on.

00:09:03.940 All I have is I have to believe one person over the other.

00:09:08.260 I don't know either of them.

00:09:09.820 How could I possibly make that judgment?

00:09:16.880 If the Republicans, assuming that something new doesn't come out, like, you know, a picture,

00:09:22.660 or all of a sudden, 40 other witnesses say, oh, I remember I was there, which would be pretty hard.

00:09:30.880 They'd have to be cryogenically frozen and de-thawed.

00:09:35.020 And then I would say, oh, okay, I understand why you were busy.

00:09:37.860 That's why you didn't step up earlier.

00:09:41.100 I can't imagine what it would be.

00:09:43.000 But unless new information and pretty really credible information come, if the Republicans

00:09:51.260 don't confirm him, they lose the House and the Senate.

00:09:57.360 Because at least half of this country is tired of the Salem witch trials.

00:10:03.880 And I'm not convinced that it's all the right that's tired of them.

00:10:08.560 Because let's be honest with ourselves, if Chuck Schumer, if this was happening with Chuck

00:10:13.260 Schumer, you'd want this to be true.

00:10:16.620 You'd want it to be true.

00:10:18.620 You'd want to cheer and say he's guilty.

00:10:22.280 Because it would remove him and you see him and I see him as an obstacle to the things that

00:10:27.660 I think are right.

00:10:29.020 So you'd want to believe that.

00:10:31.380 The question is, would we?

00:10:33.000 Would we fight just as hard for the innocent until proven guilty concept if it was on the

00:10:44.960 other side?

00:10:48.160 I would hope the answer is yes, we would.

00:10:51.240 I'm not sure of that.

00:10:52.820 But I think it is with a lot of people in America.

00:10:56.480 I think it is yes.

00:10:58.400 And those are the people who are tired.

00:11:00.060 And those are the people looking for somebody to stand up against this.

00:11:05.640 This is already in our colleges and it's coming to your office soon.

00:11:15.180 The Gulag Archipelago is a very famous book about what happened in communist Russia, the

00:11:24.260 Soviet Union.

00:11:24.940 And I was struck at the very beginning of it.

00:11:28.620 It talks about how people never spoke up.

00:11:34.460 They never spoke up.

00:11:35.880 They were taken to the Gulag in the middle of the night.

00:11:38.400 No charges, nothing.

00:11:40.920 But they never spoke up.

00:11:43.320 And there's a couple of reasons for it.

00:11:45.180 One, even in the Soviet Union, they expected to be exonerated. 0.56

00:11:54.640 They expected that they would be taken.

00:11:57.300 And this was some mistake.

00:11:59.000 It's not me.

00:11:59.740 I didn't do anything.

00:12:00.860 It's not me.

00:12:03.840 And so they didn't kick and scream.

00:12:05.700 They went quietly.

00:12:06.680 It was only until, you know, they saw the show trial where they weren't even allowed to defend themselves.

00:12:18.380 Some charges were made by some people that they don't even know.

00:12:22.500 They may not even have known the charges.

00:12:25.460 They're in jail.

00:12:27.040 There was no innocence until proven guilty.

00:12:29.560 But the people didn't stand up for two reasons.

00:12:34.480 One, they thought it would be fair.

00:12:40.260 They thought that truth would somehow or another prevail.

00:12:56.660 But there was another reason.

00:12:59.560 Because they had been beaten down so much.

00:13:10.200 They had the fight knocked out of them.

00:13:16.440 They knew no one would rise to the occasion and to their side.

00:13:21.400 Because they had allowed things to go so long, so far, that they knew no one would come to their rescue.

00:13:29.560 They knew no one would come to their side.

00:13:30.560 They knew no one would come to their side.

00:13:31.560 They knew no one would come to their side.

00:13:32.560 Now, we're Americans.

00:13:35.520 It's time now for us as Americans to decide who we are, what we believe, and if we're going to allow this kind of bullying to go on.

00:13:49.600 Or are we at least going to take this step and tweet to Jack?

00:13:56.340 I'm a user of yours.

00:13:58.340 I'm a user of yours.

00:13:59.940 Like Twitter.

00:14:01.560 Can't figure out your policy.

00:14:04.060 Can you tell me why Antifa, Washington, D.C. is still on today?

00:14:08.320 Can you tell me doesn't this violate everything you said you stood for?

00:14:14.700 Why is that happening?

00:14:17.360 That's an easy step to take today.

00:14:19.880 Moving your courage muscle.

00:14:23.780 But it's something that has to be done.

00:14:26.000 Something that has to be said.

00:14:27.720 The question is, will you say it today?

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00:16:22.340 I did a podcast with Lewis Howes.

00:16:24.880 He does the number one podcast, The School of Greatness.

00:16:28.960 Fascinating, fascinating conversation with this guy.

00:16:31.860 Really open and honest.

00:16:33.580 I really, really like him.

00:16:35.480 But towards the end, he asked me, what is greatness?

00:16:39.680 What makes greatness?

00:16:41.420 And to me, it is courage.

00:16:44.640 And I want to play just a little bit of it.

00:16:46.220 This podcast just came out, Lewis Howes and The School of Greatness.

00:16:50.920 Here's how I answered that question.

00:16:53.200 My son was probably 10.

00:16:54.780 He was taking karate, taekwondo.

00:16:58.400 He corrects me.

00:17:00.620 And he didn't realize that when he was going to get his first belt, there were going to be parents there.

00:17:05.480 There were going to be crowd.

00:17:07.420 Here's my son who's grown up around me.

00:17:09.920 He's terrified of crowds.

00:17:12.120 Okay?

00:17:12.480 Right.

00:17:13.300 Probably for a good reason.

00:17:14.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:14.940 He's terrified of crowds at this time.

00:17:17.840 And we start walking in and he sees people.

00:17:20.300 He's like, I'm not doing this, Dad.

00:17:21.700 I can't do this.

00:17:22.440 I can't do this.

00:17:23.740 It was the first time I saw my son like that.

00:17:26.360 And I said, son, it's no big deal.

00:17:28.680 It's no big deal.

00:17:29.180 It's just parents.

00:17:30.120 He's like, I can't do this.

00:17:31.240 I said, okay.

00:17:32.420 Let's get in the car.

00:17:33.720 So we get in the car and we're driving back.

00:17:35.540 And I'm thinking, how am I going to teach him this lesson?

00:17:37.520 He said, are you mad?

00:17:41.840 I said, no, I'm not.

00:17:43.640 I'm not.

00:17:44.740 I'm just trying to figure out how I can help you.

00:17:48.180 Get back to the house.

00:17:49.240 I take him into my office.

00:17:50.760 And in my office, I have, you have to come to my house sometime.

00:17:53.900 Yeah, I would too.

00:17:54.880 All over my walls in the office, it's kind of, it's layered.

00:17:59.000 The pictures and the things are all just layered on top of each other.

00:18:03.360 Okay.

00:18:04.720 And they're all people from history and moments and, you know, anywhere from one of the guys

00:18:14.060 who was the guy in Vietnam that was in the Hanoi Hilton who blinked his eyes to say, I've

00:18:20.500 got the stuff he wrote all framed in there next to Winston Churchill, next to Gandhi and

00:18:26.520 Rosa Parks and all of them.

00:18:29.120 And I sat there and I'm trying to think, what do I say to my son?

00:18:32.580 And I look up at all these people and I said, why do I have all of these pictures and all

00:18:40.340 of these items from history on my walls in my office?

00:18:46.740 And he said, because they're all heroes.

00:18:50.820 And I said, yeah, they are, but that's not why I have them.

00:18:55.060 And he said, because they weren't afraid.

00:18:59.800 And I said, oh, son.

00:19:04.040 And I started with Wallenberg, Raoul Wallenberg, who is one of the greatest heroes in history.

00:19:11.980 And I said, I'm guessing he was terrified.

00:19:17.580 I'm guessing, and I know enough because I've read his own words, I know that Winston Churchill

00:19:23.920 was terrified.

00:19:25.300 I know that George Washington was terrified.

00:19:28.300 I know the guy who was having his arms pulled out of his sockets in a Vietnamese prison camp

00:19:34.080 was terrified.

00:19:35.880 But they did it.

00:19:38.180 They did it.

00:19:39.300 That's a great man.

00:19:42.640 Mm-hmm.

00:19:43.620 That's.

00:19:46.920 Exercise.

00:19:48.680 Exercise.

00:19:50.460 And become great.

00:19:52.760 Little steps of courage will make you a great man or a great woman. 0.99

00:20:01.700 Addicted to Outrage.

00:20:03.520 The new book from Glenn Beck, Addicted to Outrage, is available everywhere.

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00:20:12.060 Let's go to Chuck in Ohio.

00:20:13.860 Hello, Chuck.

00:20:14.380 You're on the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:16.400 Hi.

00:20:16.800 Hey, Glenn.

00:20:17.500 I've got a concern.

00:20:18.560 Here's my concern.

00:20:20.660 I have family members who don't even know who Blasey is.

00:20:25.860 Seriously.

00:20:26.980 I've got family members that after everything you see going on, they'll vote Democrat no

00:20:31.780 matter what.

00:20:33.080 And actually, I've got some family members thinking Kavanaugh's guilty.

00:20:36.700 And I forgot what the number was, but there's a percentage of Americans who don't even know

00:20:41.460 who the vice president is.

00:20:43.060 Yeah, that's a good number.

00:20:44.480 Okay.

00:20:45.680 People don't care.

00:20:47.160 Honestly, six months after 9-1-1, everyone went back to their business and no one cared.

00:20:52.560 Yep.

00:20:52.780 But we've got a generation that doesn't care.

00:20:56.160 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:20:57.300 Which generation is that?

00:21:01.100 Honestly, I'm talking, I'm a 56-year-old man, and my wife doesn't even, never even heard

00:21:06.000 of Blasey.

00:21:06.660 Okay.

00:21:07.480 She never even heard of her.

00:21:08.400 Okay.

00:21:08.520 Like, who's that?

00:21:10.200 So, there's something wrong in America.

00:21:13.920 There's something wrong where something like this, where Ted Cruz can go with his wife

00:21:19.440 to a restaurant and cannot sit down and eat.

00:21:22.220 There's something wrong with that.

00:21:23.620 Yes.

00:21:23.900 And nobody cares.

00:21:26.020 Well, it is human nature to not care.

00:21:30.160 And that's one of the reasons why everything is being made about politics now, because that

00:21:35.280 is easy to get away with because people just don't pay attention to politics.

00:21:39.680 But it is, it's the culture that is leading our politics to that destination.

00:21:46.220 Have you talked to your family members about Kavanaugh, and how does that work out?

00:21:51.220 My friend, I've got relatives right now.

00:21:54.520 We cannot speak because they think Hillary Clinton got robbed.

00:21:57.840 Well, calling her Hillary probably doesn't help the argument. 0.97

00:22:02.820 Hillary.

00:22:03.260 Yes, all right.

00:22:04.280 Actually, we can't even speak because they think Hillary Clinton got robbed, and you cannot

00:22:10.500 talk to them.

00:22:11.340 They shout at you.

00:22:12.660 They yell at you.

00:22:13.560 I get cussed at.

00:22:14.740 Yeah.

00:22:15.760 I mean, anger, literally.

00:22:17.480 And I ask them, why are you so angry?

00:22:20.220 You've got cell phones.

00:22:21.420 You've got Walmart.

00:22:22.560 You've got stuff I never had.

00:22:24.260 Why are you people so angry?

00:22:25.940 They don't know.

00:22:28.380 They can't tell you why.

00:22:30.280 They've got an economy that's booming.

00:22:33.080 They've got a record low unemployment, but they're all mad.

00:22:38.760 Everybody's mad at something.

00:22:41.100 Does it sound at all familiar to you, this argument that you're making, that they made

00:22:47.300 to us while we were in the Tea Party under Obama?

00:22:52.500 Do you remember them saying that to us?

00:22:55.020 Look, we've got health care now.

00:22:57.340 We've got all these businesses.

00:22:58.960 Pardon me?

00:22:59.760 We didn't burn down cars.

00:23:02.060 We didn't burn down people's businesses.

00:23:02.980 Yes, I know.

00:23:03.760 We didn't hurt people.

00:23:05.740 I know.

00:23:06.240 They're hurting people.

00:23:07.360 I know.

00:23:07.620 They're destroying property.

00:23:08.800 And I asked my sister.

00:23:12.120 Well, I asked my sister.

00:23:13.120 Do you really think when Obama was spewing his lies and fanning that fire on police officers

00:23:19.500 that it was okay for those people in L.A. to tear those businesses down and burn those

00:23:25.460 police?

00:23:26.140 She said they probably deserved it.

00:23:29.460 That's the mindset.

00:23:30.500 What do you mean they probably deserved it?

00:23:36.260 It's kind of like this.

00:23:37.500 Kavanaugh probably did it.

00:23:39.380 So automatically, he's guilty.

00:23:41.460 Well, so here's the problem.

00:23:43.060 And it is with social justice.

00:23:45.260 And if you remember when I first started taking on social justice, how hard the left put punched

00:23:51.960 back.

00:23:52.600 I mean, I can remember the first punch came in.

00:23:55.900 Do you remember, Pat?

00:23:56.880 We were we were on the air together in New York and the first punches started to come

00:24:01.200 in over social justice.

00:24:02.280 And I was like, whoa, we have hit a nerve.

00:24:05.500 Social justice is what allows people to say, like your sister just did, that, you know,

00:24:12.500 he probably did it.

00:24:13.940 So who cares?

00:24:15.700 Here's what I recommend you do.

00:24:17.440 First of all, go out and buy my new book on page 218, page 218, 219, chapter 25, how to

00:24:29.760 think, not what to think.

00:24:32.100 And in it, it lays out all of the things that you need to look out for and need to be aware

00:24:39.240 of all the little tricks that anybody will play who's trying to steer you away from

00:24:45.020 facts.

00:24:45.520 And it can happen on either side.

00:24:47.500 This is not a partisan issue.

00:24:49.480 This is something that everyone should know.

00:24:52.380 And it's how to argue.

00:24:54.240 It's how to listen to somebody else.

00:24:57.160 And it's also how to watch your language when when and I'm sure, Chuck, that you didn't

00:25:03.520 say it this way to your your sister.

00:25:05.600 But when you said to me, you know, when Obama is spewing his lies, do you think they automatically

00:25:12.320 put shields up?

00:25:13.380 Now, I want you to know that you cannot deal with people who are so far over the edge that

00:25:19.160 they just don't want to listen to any reason.

00:25:21.360 But there are those that you could sit down with and say, OK, on the Kavanaugh thing, can

00:25:28.200 we just talk about this?

00:25:29.160 And let's all try to remember we're family, whether we're legitimately blood relatives or

00:25:36.220 we're just the family of man and Americans.

00:25:39.220 Let's let's just sit down and remember that for a second.

00:25:41.900 So if you have a team jersey and you're just going to play for your team, no matter what,

00:25:47.100 you got to leave the table.

00:25:49.340 Now, for anybody who is left, let's define a win.

00:25:54.860 What is a win?

00:25:56.460 Right now, people will say that Kavanaugh isn't in or Kavanaugh is in.

00:26:01.820 That's not a win.

00:26:03.440 That's not a win.

00:26:04.100 A win is that we have principles that we all want to live under protected.

00:26:11.900 That we take accusers seriously.

00:26:16.600 And then we look for evidence to prove he said, she said or deny he said, she said.

00:26:26.220 That's what we want.

00:26:28.360 And the reason why we want that principle is because you could be next when somebody says

00:26:34.460 to you, well, they probably did it.

00:26:37.520 Let me just ask you this is.

00:26:39.080 In all sincerity, is that the standard you want to live under?

00:26:45.740 Because someone could accuse you of something and people will say, well, she probably did it anyway.

00:26:53.540 And if you dismiss this, let me take you back to the Niemöller poem.

00:26:59.880 You know, first they came for the communist and the capitalist.

00:27:02.280 And I said nothing.

00:27:03.740 Why did the people back then say nothing?

00:27:06.460 Because they were not either a capitalist or a communist.

00:27:09.820 They weren't a Jew. 0.94

00:27:12.140 They weren't a gypsy. 1.00

00:27:14.020 And so they didn't say anything because it's probably they probably did it.

00:27:18.380 You know, Hitler is saying that these guys are really trying to tear down the state.

00:27:22.380 They're probably doing that.

00:27:24.680 Because it didn't involve them.

00:27:26.440 But the last line of the poem is, when they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me.

00:27:34.760 They thinned the herd first.

00:27:36.760 So we have to be very, very careful to not frame this as we are trying to get Brett Kavanaugh to be the the Supreme Court justice or not.

00:27:49.660 Quite frankly, I find this fairly easy with Kavanaugh because Kavanaugh, I don't think, is a real staunch constitutional conservative.

00:27:59.160 I have some problems with Kavanaugh.

00:28:00.540 But he seems qualified.

00:28:04.200 Elections have consequences.

00:28:05.860 I'm not the one picking the Supreme Court.

00:28:08.640 I would have picked somebody a little stronger than I think he is.

00:28:11.260 He might turn out to be great.

00:28:13.160 He might not.

00:28:13.800 I don't know.

00:28:15.360 If I were a senator, I'd be voting for him.

00:28:19.320 Even though I think we could have done better, I'd vote for him.

00:28:23.480 Okay.

00:28:26.260 What are the principles?

00:28:28.540 It's not about Kavanaugh.

00:28:30.540 It's not even about her.

00:28:32.420 The principles are, will we take accusations seriously?

00:28:38.320 Yes.

00:28:40.160 Then will we look for the evidence to prove or deny?

00:28:44.980 I'm going to take a quick break and I'm going to come back with how shoddy the evidence is.

00:28:51.000 Because if you could sit down with your family and say, okay, here's the win.

00:28:57.620 Something that we all want applied to us equally.

00:29:00.880 Social justice will allow you to say, well, he probably did it.

00:29:05.620 And if he didn't do it, somebody like him did it.

00:29:08.320 And if it didn't happen to her, it happened to somebody like her.

00:29:12.120 So it all balances out.

00:29:13.840 That's social justice. 0.98

00:29:15.140 We want actual justice.

00:29:18.880 We're never going to be able to complete it 100%.

00:29:21.960 Only God can give real justice.

00:29:24.760 We have to do our best.

00:29:27.120 And to do our best, we have to stop making it.

00:29:32.300 Justice is blind.

00:29:34.080 Stop making it about the personalities and the political teams.

00:29:37.680 Especially when politics are involved.

00:29:41.140 If politics are involved, go even slower.

00:29:46.360 But we take them seriously and then we look for the evidence.

00:29:50.340 Based on the facts.

00:29:52.240 So based on what we have today.

00:29:57.960 How does this shape up?

00:30:00.920 I'll go over those when we come back.

00:30:03.000 By the way, coming up in a few minutes, Michael Rechtenwald.

00:30:09.260 He is a former New York University NYU professor who did episode number three of my podcast this last Saturday.

00:30:21.140 He is absolutely somebody that you need to know.

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00:30:31.260 Listen to the entire podcast.

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00:30:36.240 Michael Rechtenwald.

00:30:38.440 Trust me.

00:30:39.160 After you hear him for 15 minutes, you're going to want to hear the two hours with him as he explains what's really happening in our society.

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00:33:00.120 There's a couple of things.

00:33:02.900 If we if we say, OK, what's a win?

00:33:05.660 A win is that we have the principles that we all want to live under, that we take accusers seriously.

00:33:11.300 But then we look at the facts and we look for evidence to prove or deny.

00:33:15.980 Let's just go over some of these that she has alleged that Ford has alleged.

00:33:21.700 She can't recall the basic details of what she said is the most traumatic event in her life.

00:33:27.040 She can't remember where the assault took place.

00:33:30.240 She's not sure what house it was at, what street it was on, when it happened.

00:33:35.080 She wasn't sure of the year, let alone the day and the month.

00:33:38.560 She wasn't certain how old she was, what grade she was in.

00:33:43.540 She described having just one beer at the party.

00:33:47.340 So I don't know, was she drunk?

00:33:52.200 Because I've also read that she said she was drunk. 0.66

00:33:55.560 She she also doesn't even remember how she got home. 0.90

00:34:01.300 Pat, how is that possible in in a turning point in your life, in it, in an event that is supposedly so traumatic and it would be that so traumatic and you don't remember any of those details?

00:34:14.460 That's that's hard to believe she told no one at the time, not even her best friend or her mother, and no one can corroborate this for people.

00:34:24.540 She identified as being at the party, including Kavanaugh, all deny knowledge of the gathering in question, including her lifelong friend who says, I don't recall any of this.

00:34:35.680 Her own immediate family doesn't appear to be backing her up.

00:34:40.860 Her mother, her father and her two siblings are all conspicuously absent from a letter of support released by a dozen relatives, mostly on her husband's side of the family.

00:34:52.840 Now, wow.

00:34:54.300 Why wouldn't her parents and her siblings sign this?

00:34:57.900 It's not.

00:34:58.900 Is it possibly because they never heard of such an incident happening in her life?

00:35:02.160 Maybe, maybe, but that just that evidence, that doesn't mean anything either.

00:35:08.380 I don't know that it doesn't mean anything.

00:35:10.520 It's not conclusive.

00:35:12.340 Correct.

00:35:12.720 But you don't condemn her, nor do you condemn him.

00:35:16.860 Right.

00:35:17.100 It's the same kind of evidence.

00:35:19.140 It's the same kind of evidence.

00:35:23.240 She is a Democrat, an anti-Trump marcher.

00:35:27.760 So, we know that politics are involved.

00:35:32.520 Also, there is this.

00:35:34.960 The Washington Post reported that she was upset when Trump won in 2016 because Kavanaugh was mentioned as a Supreme Court pick.

00:35:42.780 Problem with that, Pat?

00:35:46.520 Well, did she say it to somebody?

00:35:48.200 She said, in the Washington Post, she said to the Post, she was upset when Trump won in 2016 because Kavanaugh was mentioned as a Supreme Court pick.

00:36:02.540 Kavanaugh was not mentioned in that first round.

00:36:05.160 He was added to the list.

00:36:07.120 Kavanaugh was not on that.

00:36:12.200 Yes, Kavanaugh was not on that list.

00:36:14.660 He was added to that list in November of 2017, a full year later.

00:36:22.700 Wow.

00:36:23.420 I mean.

00:36:24.680 Wow.

00:36:26.240 You know, there is, there's enough to say, wait, wait, let's not hang a man here.

00:36:34.080 Let's listen to voices and then let the evidence speak for itself.

00:36:43.360 Glenn Beck is coming live to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way.

00:36:48.980 He might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing.

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00:36:58.460 Glenn Beck.

00:37:00.380 It's Wednesday, September 26th.

00:37:02.080 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:37:05.320 So a few weeks ago, I started reading a book called Springtime for Snowflakes, and I stopped about halfway through because I really, really liked it.

00:37:12.760 But I wanted to make sure I knew who this author really was, because if you look at his resume, how's it look, Pat?

00:37:20.520 It looks like he's an atheist, perhaps, extremely liberal.

00:37:28.800 Communist.

00:37:29.440 Communist.

00:37:30.360 Yeah.

00:37:30.740 Not extremely liberal.

00:37:31.940 Communist.

00:37:32.540 Yeah.

00:37:33.120 He was a professor at NYU.

00:37:36.100 Another sign of communism.

00:37:37.900 I mean, it's quite amazing.

00:37:40.940 He described himself in the past as a libertarian communist, which I asked him about in the podcast.

00:37:48.020 But I want to show you the results of this podcast came out last Saturday, and I've been seeing a ton of these letters have come in.

00:37:56.620 Glenn, while listening to Saturday's podcast, I wept.

00:38:00.240 I knew what your guest said was happening, but I didn't know how to put it into words and who to tell.

00:38:06.400 I didn't know what to do.

00:38:08.400 I was too busy working three jobs, raising my daughters, going through a divorce to research it all, let alone.

00:38:14.380 And I just let it control my life.

00:38:16.660 This podcast, all capital letters, must be heard by everyone in the United States.

00:38:21.680 Please don't downplay it or mention it only in passing.

00:38:25.440 This is important.

00:38:26.860 It must be heard.

00:38:27.880 I couldn't agree more.

00:38:29.800 I listened to it twice myself this weekend because I learned so much.

00:38:35.080 Michael Reckenwald is with us now.

00:38:37.820 Michael, how are you, sir?

00:38:40.060 I'm doing very good, Glenn.

00:38:41.420 How are you doing?

00:38:42.260 I'm great.

00:38:43.120 I really enjoyed meeting you and talking to you.

00:38:47.140 Tell me quickly for those who don't know your journey.

00:38:50.980 Tell quickly that story.

00:38:53.620 Okay.

00:38:54.240 Yes.

00:38:54.560 As you said, Glenn, I was a left or libertarian communist, published widely in communist circles, read very widely, looked up to as a kind of an example for what Marxism or communism could be.

00:39:08.680 And then I came out against the social justice movement back in 2016 in October.

00:39:15.760 And I was roundly attacked by thousands of people on the Internet and hundreds of people inside of my university, put on paid leave, quickly damned by a group calling themselves the diversity, equity and inclusion group.

00:39:31.460 And the scales just fell from my eyes, Glenn.

00:39:35.500 Basically, what happened, I started seeing the left for what it really is.

00:39:39.640 And it's just scratch the veneer, the thin veneer of egalitarianism and so forth.

00:39:45.280 What you come up with is a totalitarian left.

00:39:47.740 You told me in the podcast, and I'm paraphrasing here, so let me get your real, you know, your words.

00:39:54.040 But you told me that at one point when you saw what was being done, you know, libertarian communism was more of a theory that it was like, next time we'll do it right.

00:40:03.920 That's right.

00:40:04.500 And you realized at one point, these people will kill people.

00:40:11.520 What we're doing is we're going to do it wrong again.

00:40:14.600 And these people, it'll end up in gulags and mass slaughter.

00:40:19.880 That's right.

00:40:20.680 I mean, I saw, you know, firsthand what communists say to each other in joking and passing.

00:40:26.520 And they relish the idea, Glenn.

00:40:28.200 They relish the idea of putting a gun to somebody's head that they don't agree with.

00:40:32.480 They talk about it in joking all the time.

00:40:35.320 And I was actually threatened with the same. 0.99

00:40:37.820 If I had my way, quote, unquote, I would put a gun to your head and things like that.

00:40:43.580 So the minute I crossed these people, I saw what they were made of. 1.00

00:40:48.060 And it scared the living, damn, living hell out of me, Glenn. 0.98

00:40:51.800 I mean, it was very terrifying. 0.97

00:40:53.100 And it just turned my eyes and turned me around entirely.

00:40:57.780 Tell me about the thing that I laughed at and you said was the beginning of this journey.

00:41:02.480 Um, the, the, you know, genders that you had to be called.

00:41:07.680 And you posted, you posted on your Twitter without comment.

00:41:12.580 And this is what started the ball rolling.

00:41:15.180 Yes.

00:41:15.900 Uh, you know, back in September of 2016, which I call the debuting of, uh, social justice ideology

00:41:23.000 in the university, uh, for a number of reasons, a student at the university of Michigan, when

00:41:28.620 asked what his pronoun choice would be, and, uh, given the option to post it inside of his

00:41:35.560 profile in the Wolverine system there, chose quote, unquote, his majesty.

00:41:40.940 And I thought it was hilarious, the fend up of the craziness and the attempt of these institutions

00:41:46.260 to keep pace with the pronoun and proliferation, as I call it, pronoun and gender proliferation.

00:41:52.560 And so I posted the article with, uh, without a comment to Facebook and I went on to teach

00:42:00.240 a couple of classes back to back.

00:42:01.780 And by the time I got done with those classes, there were thousands and thousands of sub threads

00:42:07.540 started condemning me, uh, calling me up a transphobe and, uh, accusing me of having committed

00:42:15.140 discursive violence and being a traitor and so on and so forth.

00:42:20.420 And discursive violence makes me laugh every time.

00:42:24.240 Sorry about that.

00:42:25.260 I know you have a cold discursive violence, which is a crazy term, but I, you know, it's

00:42:30.780 probably too much to get into now, but, uh, and hundreds of, uh, direct messages from former

00:42:37.480 friends, uh, telling me that I better recant or else and so forth.

00:42:41.860 And I refused, I said, this is completely out of hand.

00:42:45.320 We're, we're talking about a piece of, this is a group of totalitarians dictating everything

00:42:51.080 I can say and do.

00:42:52.640 And I just would have nothing further to do with it.

00:42:54.900 I started that Twitter handle anti PC NYU prof that very night and started tweeting.

00:43:02.860 So Michael, your life has completely changed.

00:43:06.580 Um, you have, you know, all of your friends who you thought were friends are no longer,

00:43:11.820 you're your friends.

00:43:12.540 What do you do for a living now?

00:43:15.660 I'm still an NYU professor.

00:43:17.320 As a matter of fact, instead of getting fired, I think because I stood my ground and I didn't

00:43:22.840 back down and I didn't apologize because I'd done nothing wrong.

00:43:26.100 I was actually promoted to full ranks.

00:43:28.800 Wow.

00:43:30.200 Yes.

00:43:30.840 From assistant to full professor.

00:43:33.580 Now my career here is probably limited.

00:43:36.100 I'm at NYU and I have four years left on a five year contract and I see no way of it

00:43:40.600 getting renewed because the same people that would be, uh, sitting on a committee to renew

00:43:46.040 me are the people that shun me 100%.

00:43:49.260 Now, I mean, these are people that go ahead.

00:43:52.040 Yeah.

00:43:52.840 These are people that won't get on an elevator with me.

00:43:56.040 How are you, how, how are you, um, being viewed by the students?

00:44:00.960 Cause you were very popular.

00:44:03.760 I'm still very popular with students.

00:44:05.920 And one of the main reasons is, is they can tell, and they know that I'm not there to

00:44:09.960 indoctrinate them into some left wing ideology, which is so prevalent.

00:44:14.360 It's unspeakable.

00:44:15.620 I mean, it's just the way things are.

00:44:18.640 Uh, everybody for the most part in the humanities and social sciences is subtly, but ever so, uh,

00:44:24.260 clearly indoctrinating students to become leftists of some stripe or another feminist Marxist,

00:44:29.240 you name it.

00:44:31.360 But, uh, for me, I don't do it.

00:44:33.060 And the students love me.

00:44:34.740 Michael, this is Pat Gray.

00:44:35.600 Um, what, what do you recommend to, uh, parents who are considering sending their kids out to

00:44:42.600 universities like NYU and Ivy league schools?

00:44:45.400 He addresses this in the podcast.

00:44:47.220 Wait, wait for the answer.

00:44:48.360 This is great.

00:44:49.880 I'd say, I'd say I would start thinking about this at kindergarten.

00:44:53.660 Actually, uh, don't wait until they're ready to go to university.

00:44:56.700 The indoctrination is happening at K through 12.

00:45:00.780 Uh, and this may even be taking place at pre-K for all we know, because there are cases in

00:45:06.760 which students in kindergarten are being, uh, being, uh, set up for transitioning to another

00:45:14.760 gender.

00:45:15.200 And there are parties for these transitions going on in kindergarten.

00:45:19.620 There was a case of this in August in California, where a student came home and told their mother

00:45:24.580 or father that they had, uh, one of their friends had a transition party, which is a party to

00:45:30.160 celebrate the transitioning from one gender to another.

00:45:32.800 I have nothing against trans people, but what I'm trying to say here is that transgenderism

00:45:37.840 is an ideology that's being foisted on us.

00:45:40.860 It's being actively promoted and it's starting at the very youngest ages.

00:45:45.760 And so, you know, uh, university level is far too late.

00:45:49.340 We have to start at pre-K probably.

00:45:52.120 So Michael, you're a guy who you believed in Marxism, um, communism, but you, it was the,

00:45:59.540 the heart part that you connected to, is that, is that right?

00:46:05.240 Yes.

00:46:05.680 I mean, I was, uh, you know, I had ideals about, you know, helping the downtrodden and helping

00:46:11.620 those who have less and, you know, ameliorating the suffering of, of millions of people.

00:46:17.300 And I thought this was the best way to go about it because it would equalize, you know, access

00:46:22.320 to resources and so forth.

00:46:23.880 But I realized that as a matter of fact, it never does, uh, and any attempt to, to promote

00:46:30.100 a sort of de facto equality ends in horror every single time, as we've seen historically.

00:46:36.620 And for some reason, I couldn't see this when I was under this ideology, I couldn't see it.

00:46:42.120 And it took this turn, you know, and these scales falling off my eyes for me to be able

00:46:48.340 to see what was so evident to other people, uh, you know, particularly on the other side.

00:46:53.700 And, uh, and once I saw it, I started to research it and I got into the history of communism and

00:46:59.840 I read the black book of communism and it makes it very clear that 94 million people have been

00:47:05.280 killed in communist regimes.

00:47:07.560 People have been killed by every single communist leader that's ever existed.

00:47:12.620 So, I mean, I just don't know how I can explain how, you know, you get indoctrinated through

00:47:18.700 the university system and how difficult it is to break that indoctrination, but I did break

00:47:23.780 it or it was broken for me, I should say.

00:47:26.140 And, uh, everything has changed.

00:47:28.400 Michael, um, the name of the book, springtime for snowflakes, obviously a tip of the hat to

00:47:34.580 Mel Brooks.

00:47:35.520 Why'd you choose that name?

00:47:37.680 It just came to me one day, Glenn, I don't know really when or how, but all of a sudden it

00:47:42.060 came, it just popped into my mind and I said, well, springtime for snowflakes.

00:47:46.880 And, um, it just, it just occurred to me.

00:47:49.620 I have no idea when, how, or, you know, this took place, but it did, it just jumped into

00:47:54.280 my mind, springtime for snowflakes.

00:47:56.500 Uh, and I told other people and they said, that's a great title.

00:48:00.080 That is a great title.

00:48:00.780 Some people, some people tried to dissuade me from using it, saying it was insulting our

00:48:04.720 students, but I don't think so.

00:48:06.060 Cause I'm not really, I'm not really insulting students here.

00:48:08.480 I'm talking about the indoctrinators, not the students as such.

00:48:12.060 Michael, the, um, uh, the, um, transition that you, as you have made, Pat just said,

00:48:20.560 what was the book that you just did brought up off air that he wrote?

00:48:24.960 Uh, something about atheists or agnostics or 19th century British secularism.

00:48:31.620 Yes.

00:48:32.080 Yes.

00:48:33.060 So you were, you were a guy that was agnostic or atheist agnostic.

00:48:39.280 Like, what happened?

00:48:40.540 I would never, well, I, I know I would, first of all, just about agnosticism.

00:48:44.920 It just means I don't know.

00:48:46.040 And I would never have, uh, been so conceited and so, uh, you know, arrogant as to suggest

00:48:51.680 there's no God without, you know, proof because I mean, you have to be God to say there's no

00:48:56.560 God.

00:48:57.060 I mean, really, that's what it comes down to.

00:48:59.020 Yeah.

00:48:59.260 And therefore, they're, therefore the, you know, it's impossible.

00:49:02.420 So I was always agnostic.

00:49:04.820 Um, I was a kind of an agnostic who prayed though.

00:49:08.000 Uh, I didn't know more yet, but I still prayed.

00:49:11.760 And, uh, you know, that entirely changed.

00:49:14.760 I have, uh, with this whole, you know, uh, say this whole conversion, I really, to put it

00:49:21.860 in, there's no better term for it.

00:49:23.920 I've really come to see that, that, uh, you know, I'm not, I'm not an agnostic who prays.

00:49:28.520 I'm a believer who prays at this point.

00:49:30.640 And I think that'll continue to grow.

00:49:33.420 Uh, hang on just a second longer.

00:49:35.580 Cause I'd like to turn our conversations, Michael, to what people do.

00:49:40.060 We just had a call from somebody who said, I can't talk to any of my friends.

00:49:43.320 I can't talk to my, my family, even about this, this Kavanaugh thing, because they're just,

00:49:48.800 they're just angry and they just yell.

00:49:50.480 And we talked a little bit about this, the principles and addicted to outrage.

00:49:54.640 And I'd like to hear your, your view of, um, of what we talked about on how to approach

00:50:02.280 people and who to approach to be able to, uh, start to have a better dialogue.

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00:51:39.180 So glad that you are, uh, you're listening to us today.

00:51:42.820 There's two books that I want to, uh, assign if I may.

00:51:47.560 One is Michael Rechtenwald springtime for snowflakes.

00:51:51.080 It is an in-depth look at exactly what we're talking about.

00:51:55.820 The, the first step into understanding how this is all connected is addicted to outrage.

00:52:02.480 My new book that came out by both of them online now, um, wherever books are sold.

00:52:07.940 And, uh, I promise you, you will not be disappointed and you will understand the world, uh, that you're

00:52:13.360 dealing with a little better and you, it will change your course of action.

00:52:17.660 Michael, welcome back to the program.

00:52:20.100 Thanks Glenn.

00:52:20.880 Okay, so let's talk about how do we deal with, how do we deal with people that, um, are, are not seeing this?

00:52:31.860 And I think there's two groups.

00:52:33.460 One, the people who know exactly what it is and they're knowingly engaging in postmodernism.

00:52:40.720 And as you say, which has now become social justice, uh, and then there's those who just are kind of going

00:52:47.280 along and don't really understand.

00:52:50.880 Yes.

00:52:51.320 I mean, I think that you put a, you put it in a football terms, uh, in a, using a football

00:52:55.940 metaphor, we're standing, let's say at the 50 yard line and we're looking at, uh, people

00:53:00.420 along a spectrum left and right.

00:53:02.620 And we see that, you know, all the way down at the three yard line is standing, you know,

00:53:06.840 on the left side is Antifa and we certainly aren't going to be approaching them, you know,

00:53:11.020 and on the far right, there might be some, uh, unsavory characters like the alt-right that

00:53:15.080 we certainly won't be trying to include in our quorum, but we need to try to build some

00:53:19.980 consensus here by, uh, addressing these issues straightforwardly and also to try to educate

00:53:26.800 ourselves and inoculate ourselves against this postmodern, uh, virus.

00:53:32.020 I say it's really what it is.

00:53:33.480 It's a virus that has transmuted into social justice that is affecting all of us.

00:53:38.660 It's, it's infiltrated almost every institution from Facebook to Twitter, to Google, to YouTube,

00:53:45.860 to, you know, most, most of corporate America and, uh, most of the mainstream media, uh, and

00:53:52.400 a lot of other areas.

00:53:53.680 So we're talking about a very virulent strain of postmodernism that is really broadly infecting

00:54:01.040 the entire population.

00:54:02.220 So how do we deal with it?

00:54:03.560 We have to first recognize it.

00:54:04.960 We have to find out where it's coming from and what their principles are.

00:54:08.660 Then we can rationally oppose them.

00:54:10.940 We have to do that with rational thinking, but also with faith, knowing that we're right,

00:54:15.140 because this is not a, uh, this is not a happy circumstance we're talking about.

00:54:19.420 They want to destabilize the family.

00:54:21.420 They want to destabilize all the ontologies of society.

00:54:24.500 That is all the structures that keep us intact, that keep some adherence, some adhesion, some

00:54:30.520 sort of, you know, order, uh, instead of utter chaos.

00:54:33.920 So this is really what we're up against.

00:54:35.700 I think we need to start talking about it.

00:54:37.400 We need to educate ourselves.

00:54:38.960 We need to inoculate ourselves.

00:54:40.440 We need to also take very close attention to what's happening to our children and our

00:54:45.240 grandchildren in school.

00:54:46.980 You know, watch out for the language. 1.00

00:54:48.940 Look at the books, look at our two books and see the kind of terminology that these students

00:54:53.680 are going to be coming home with.

00:54:55.240 Do you agree with, go ahead, Michael.

00:54:58.020 No, yeah, that's fine.

00:54:58.940 Pay close attention to the, to their, to their utterances.

00:55:01.680 Do, do, do you agree with my thesis that if we don't understand what we're fighting

00:55:06.780 against and we fight it with outrage and anger, that we're actually only making the

00:55:11.760 problem worse?

00:55:13.120 Absolutely.

00:55:13.740 We're just fanning the flames.

00:55:15.300 Uh, that's all we're actually throwing, uh, alcohol or we're throwing gasoline on the

00:55:19.760 flames really is what we're doing.

00:55:21.660 It's just fanning the flames and building the other side's outrage as well.

00:55:26.480 So we just have two outrage groups and it's just a matter of who, who is, who's, you know,

00:55:31.560 going to carry the day, but that's not the way to go about it at all.

00:55:34.460 We'd fan the flames by feeding into it.

00:55:36.920 It's kind of like a reciprocal process by which one side's outrage feeds the others.

00:55:42.560 Uh, it's, it's a kind of back and forth, you know, sort of a dialectic as I would put

00:55:46.420 it between these two groups.

00:55:48.400 And, uh, that's not what we want to do.

00:55:50.260 We, we want to understand and articulate.

00:55:52.660 We need to ask questions of the other side, those who are rational enough to actually

00:55:57.380 listen to us.

00:55:58.120 We need to sort of defuse the situation first and foremost.

00:56:02.640 And how do we deal with being shouted down all the time, uh, being called racist, being

00:56:06.800 called homophobes, transphobes, all of the things that we have to deal with being called

00:56:12.900 when we, when we try to, uh, educate people on what's going on.

00:56:17.020 Try to answer that in 30 seconds, Michael.

00:56:19.240 Yeah, that's a tough one.

00:56:20.320 And we really need to keep talking.

00:56:21.820 We need to point out that this, this left, this illiberal left is what I call them.

00:56:26.580 They are shutting down our, you know, they're shutting down speech, but they're also shutting

00:56:31.140 down thought.

00:56:32.060 They're shutting down different perspectives and they're making it impossible for people

00:56:35.700 from other perspectives to voice anything, but then their ideas, however outlandish they

00:56:40.520 are, succeed regardless.

00:56:42.620 Michael, thank you so much.

00:56:45.300 Anti PC NYU prof is where you can follow him.

00:56:48.980 Michael Rechtenwald, the name of the book, uh, springtime for snowflakes.

00:56:53.300 Also episode number three of the podcast.

00:56:55.540 You can find it where podcasts are done.

00:56:57.540 The Glenn Beck podcast.

00:56:58.700 Mercury.

00:56:59.220 Number three.

00:57:04.300 Welcome to the program.

00:57:05.480 See if you can go find him now.

00:57:09.360 See if we can bring him in.

00:57:10.360 We have, uh, one of the writers for the blaze, uh, just did a story on the New York times

00:57:14.800 that I really want him to tell in his own words.

00:57:16.680 It's, it's, it's really quite incredible.

00:57:18.500 Um, it's on a Kavanaugh story out of the New York times that they changed and then said,

00:57:23.440 no, I didn't change it.

00:57:24.520 Well, the internet just doesn't go away.

00:57:27.020 I mean, you could change it.

00:57:28.340 It was two days ago.

00:57:29.700 Yeah.

00:57:30.040 We saw it two days ago with our own eyes.

00:57:32.420 Yeah.

00:57:32.620 It's not like it's, you know, Oh, in 1840, we never said it.

00:57:36.220 No, it's right here.

00:57:37.920 Anyway.

00:57:38.400 Um, we'll talk to him here in a second.

00:57:39.940 I just got a, um, an email in from somebody, uh, Glenn, I listened to you on the Ben Shapiro

00:57:45.460 Sunday special this last weekend.

00:57:47.360 I want to thank you sharing your experience with addiction.

00:57:50.100 It really resonated with me as I've been struggling with the question of whether I'm an alcoholic

00:57:54.180 over the last few months.

00:57:55.480 Your story seems to be very similar to what I'm going through.

00:58:00.560 This seems so obvious to me now.

00:58:03.640 It didn't when I first started, when I was going through alcoholism.

00:58:10.060 I didn't even understand.

00:58:11.320 I didn't even understand this concept.

00:58:13.480 Now I do.

00:58:14.980 When I went to my first AA meeting and I said, I'm not sure if I am an alcoholic, there was

00:58:20.100 kind of a laughter in the room because then why do you think you should be going to an

00:58:25.560 AA meeting?

00:58:26.520 Yeah.

00:58:27.200 Um, you know, if you're questioning a pretty good, for instance, the theory kind of is

00:58:32.260 if, if you're wondering, yeah, that means you are.

00:58:35.180 Yeah.

00:58:35.620 Right.

00:58:36.000 I mean, have you ever wondered if you're an alcoholic?

00:58:37.720 Not, not ever.

00:58:38.540 No, no.

00:58:38.780 My wife is never wondered if she was an alcoholic.

00:58:41.400 I mean, I know a lot of people who drink, they don't consider, they don't wonder, they

00:58:45.220 don't wonder.

00:58:45.840 Once you start wondering, you gotta, yeah.

00:58:48.500 Anyway, um, I come from a long range, uh, line of raging alcoholics whose lives and

00:58:53.900 families have been deeply affected by alcoholism.

00:58:55.980 I've seen the very dark and public destruction of addiction and because I seem, uh, to have been able to keep it together and no one seemed to notice my drinking problem.

00:59:05.580 I thought maybe I wasn't addicted.

00:59:07.000 I thought maybe this was a normal relationship with alcohol.

00:59:10.740 Brother, can I, I have been there after hearing your story?

00:59:15.700 I decided I'm going to talk to somebody and find a support group.

00:59:18.420 Uh, cause a lot of people probably wouldn't know.

00:59:21.840 I mean, some alcoholics are not functional.

00:59:24.020 You were completely functional.

00:59:25.580 Yeah.

00:59:25.720 You showed up for work every day sober.

00:59:27.740 Yeah.

00:59:28.100 Never drank at work.

00:59:29.200 Nope.

00:59:29.840 You know, waited till five o'clock to start your drinking process.

00:59:32.540 And then isolated myself.

00:59:33.820 So, yeah, you know, but I was a high functioning, uh, high functioning alcoholic.

00:59:38.360 Um, please, if you, if you know somebody in that, uh, in that state, there's a couple of podcasts that I've done for the book, addicted to outrage, which is not about this, but it is about our addiction to other things.

00:59:50.220 So it does have some addiction talk in it, but, um, um, there's a podcast that I did with Ben Shapiro, his Sunday special last Sunday.

00:59:58.580 Also a new one that came out today, uh, the school of greatness, uh, with Lewis house, which is, I think really, really good.

01:00:07.580 And it goes into some things, um, surprisingly, I think it was because I had three hours sleep in 48 hours that I opened up about my dad a little bit more than I ever have.

01:00:18.120 Um, and, um, so you might find some interesting things there or some possibly some roads to healing yourself on, on things.

01:00:25.560 Strangely, we didn't talk about the book, addicted to outrage, which is, uh, kind of the point that I was there for.

01:00:32.080 But, uh, anyway, anyway, so there is a story, uh, on the blaze today.

01:00:38.860 And, uh, Mike is here to talk about it.

01:00:41.260 Mike, how do you say your last name?

01:00:42.620 Chandoa.

01:00:43.180 Okay.

01:00:43.580 So we were pretty close.

01:00:44.920 Um, Mike, you are, um, uh, you wrote a story about the New York times and how they have, um, uh, tried to, tried to, tried to,

01:00:55.560 tried to deny things and make the internet a liar.

01:00:59.280 You know, it's funny with something, uh, a publication like the New York times, you'd think they'd realize how the internet works.

01:01:05.800 The internet is forever.

01:01:07.380 If something has ever been on the internet, there's still a way to access it somewhere on the internet.

01:01:12.600 Right.

01:01:13.320 Yeah.

01:01:13.480 It's incredible that they denied that it was ever in the story originally.

01:01:16.940 Right.

01:01:17.400 And when it was so easily provable.

01:01:19.100 All right.

01:01:19.320 So start with the original story.

01:01:20.900 This story came out about Kavanaugh's accusers, I think Monday, right?

01:01:24.460 Right.

01:01:24.960 Uh, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, the New Yorker piece first broke with Ronan Farrow, uh, and, uh, Jane Mayer, I think was the other, uh, person who wrote it.

01:01:34.100 Um, so that came out the same day, the New York times released their first story.

01:01:37.620 And in it, they admitted that they had tried, uh, to verify the story and could not, but that in the process of that, they had come across people who remembered the, or, or the, the accuser, the second accuser talking after the incident and saying that she couldn't remember if it was Kavanaugh or not.

01:01:53.860 They had included that same paragraph in a story on Monday, following up.

01:02:00.020 And then on Monday, they had edited this story and taken that part out because people started using that.

01:02:07.360 Republicans started using that and being like, Hey, this is the New York times, not a conservative publication saying that there's a chance.

01:02:16.620 The story might not be true.

01:02:17.820 We can't verify it.

01:02:19.140 There are some doubts about it.

01:02:20.340 It was pretty stunning.

01:02:21.520 I thought for the New York times, very honest for the New York times to come out and say, look, we, we talked to the, these people that she said, they said that she had talked to them and said, I'm not even sure if it was Kavanaugh or not.

01:02:34.980 And that's one of the reasons why the New York times added that in.

01:02:38.760 That's kind of some crucial information, right?

01:02:40.780 It was briefly, very good journalism.

01:02:42.700 Yes.

01:02:43.480 Briefly.

01:02:43.980 Yes.

01:02:44.200 And they were apparently ashamed of that because they don't want to do good journalism anymore.

01:02:48.900 So they took it out and then denied it was ever there.

01:02:51.680 Right.

01:02:51.960 Well, that was the craziest part of all this.

01:02:54.840 So I'm tracking down the different things.

01:02:56.760 I'm looking at the old versions of the story was substantially changed, but with no editor's notes saying that anything had been changed.

01:03:03.200 Just the same article, same link.

01:03:05.580 And that is the, that's the amazing thing about it.

01:03:08.620 They always say this article has been updated at the bottom.

01:03:12.300 Always.

01:03:12.920 This article has been updated with much less substantial updates than this.

01:03:16.720 Yeah, sure.

01:03:17.080 Um, but then the, uh, the writer of the article had tweeted out that stop saying this article has been edited.

01:03:25.960 This has never been in there.

01:03:27.560 And I'm looking at the two versions of the article that I was able to get using internet archives and going back and pulling the older version.

01:03:35.460 And I see the one and I see the other, and I clearly see that it's been removed.

01:03:40.040 I make sure read it a couple of times, make sure.

01:03:42.100 Am I missing?

01:03:43.320 Did they just break it up and put in another paragraph or something?

01:03:46.100 No, this is clearly out.

01:03:48.280 And she's still, uh, tweeting that her article that she wrote had never mentioned this thing that it clearly had.

01:03:55.660 It's a full paragraph.

01:03:58.380 Yeah.

01:03:59.200 Now, has there been any response since this has been revealed?

01:04:04.720 And since you've put this out and, and, and it's, you know, it's starting to go around that, oh, wait, it's called the way back machine.

01:04:13.240 Yeah, which is, which has to be something the New York Times knows about because I'm, I assume that their reporters have used it too.

01:04:20.100 I mean, I've used it dozens of times over the course of my journalistic career, which is much less of a career than the New York Times and their reporters.

01:04:28.160 Uh, but as, as of now, the last I checked, the New York Times hadn't come out and, and admitted that they changed it or admitted anything.

01:04:36.920 Um, which is just, I mean, it's, it's, it's a crazy story, especially in how clearly proven,

01:04:43.240 this is, this isn't something where we're just speculating or assuming this is, I have a copy of the old one.

01:04:49.200 I have a copy of the new one.

01:04:50.440 The words are clearly here.

01:04:51.960 They're clearly not here.

01:04:54.260 There's no, that that's, that's as black and white as you're ever going to get.

01:04:57.200 And what's interesting about the times is they initially kind of held off of the story because there wasn't substantiation.

01:05:04.540 At least that's what was claimed in the beginning is that they said that there wasn't enough for them to do the story.

01:05:12.040 Right.

01:05:12.520 And it's so much so that it hacked off the people who, uh, the New Yorker people, Ronan Farrow, who actually wrote the story.

01:05:21.680 And he said, the only reason they didn't do the story was because, um, she wouldn't talk to them specifically.

01:05:28.080 He had the exclusive.

01:05:29.780 And so now it looks like that's even suspect that they were holding off for journalistic integrity because they have none.

01:05:36.540 And they've just shown that again.

01:05:37.880 Right.

01:05:38.340 Yesterday on morning, Joe, the other one, uh, Jane Mayer wrote with Ronan Farrow was on and Joe Scarborough asked her about it.

01:05:45.400 And she was saying, well, I guess the New York times are spec them, but they must not have done their, like she was defending her piece against the New York times.

01:05:51.980 Yeah.

01:05:52.300 Then the New York times does their three or their one 80.

01:05:54.740 And they're like, Oh, we're not, don't use us to attack the New Yorker.

01:05:58.880 We're all for Ronan Farrow.

01:06:00.220 We're all for this piece.

01:06:02.660 Really interesting.

01:06:03.600 There is a, thank you, Mike, for your, your work.

01:06:05.860 Great.

01:06:06.180 So you can find it on the blaze.

01:06:07.620 Uh, just go there now and pass it on because I guarantee it's not going to be passed on by the, uh, the mainstream media.

01:06:13.360 John Ziegler, uh, wrote an op-ed piece on, on some of this as well.

01:06:18.440 He talks about how Ronan Farrow and journalism has just jumped the shark here.

01:06:23.280 Um, he, uh, quotes Farrow, the offices of at least four democratic senators have received information about the allegation and at least two have begun investigating it.

01:06:32.180 The democratic Senate offices reviewing the allegations believe that they might merit further investigation.

01:06:37.640 End quote.

01:06:38.780 He writes, this is what's called the news hook.

01:06:40.820 The basis for why an allegation is newsworthy.

01:06:43.640 The standard here used to be a criminal charge or at least a legitimate lawsuit, but now if an unnamed partisan political operative with huge self-interest to push a damaging story, regardless of its truth, simply get information and say it ought to be looked into further.

01:06:59.700 This now reaches the threshold of publishing and journalism, or more likely, this is a dangerous new rule only in effect when democratic senators want more time to torpedo a damaged Republican Supreme court nominee.

01:07:13.100 He then goes on and says the New Yorker, uh, contacted Ramirez after learning of the possible involvement in the incident involving Kavanaugh.

01:07:20.620 The allegation was conveyed to a democratic seven at Senator by civil rights lawyer, a lawyer.

01:07:24.840 He says, okay, so as I read this, a democratic lawyer gave the allegation from a democratic accuser to democratic senators who then leaked the information to a liberal press.

01:07:36.340 Gee, what could possibly go wrong here?

01:07:39.780 Um, quote, she was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident.

01:07:47.440 Her initial conversations with the New Yorker was she was elected to characterize Kavanaugh's role in the alleged incident with certainty, end quote.

01:07:55.260 He writes, so 35 years after the alleged incident, one which, uh, their accuser admits she was drunk.

01:08:02.940 Sure.

01:08:03.200 Sounds like she has no clear idea what she really, what really did or didn't happen.

01:08:06.420 This moment when Pharaoh and mayor should have moved on from this story, or at least found numerous corroborating witnesses, spoiler alert, they have none quote after six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney.

01:08:21.580 He says, wait, what?

01:08:24.400 35 years after the incident, she can't tell her story, but 35 years and six days later, after speaking with her democratic lawyer, she can suddenly recall the amazing and graphic details.

01:08:35.600 Ramirez apparently is the first person in history to have a far better memory of something that supposedly happened 35 years ago while badly drunk after having spoken to somebody who was not there.

01:08:47.160 She was also parroting the democratic talking points on the FBI investigation.

01:08:52.620 Um, it's a really good article and it talks about how journalism is truly dead.

01:08:59.060 Oh yeah.

01:08:59.780 Because none of these things would have been acceptable.

01:09:02.920 Well, and Ronan Farrow was on with George Stephanopoulos either yesterday or the day before defending the peace and Stephanopoulos asked him point blank.

01:09:12.540 Well, weren't you concerned about this story because there's no eyewitnesses?

01:09:18.080 And he said, no, we've, we corroborated it with people who know her that said, yeah, they've, they've seen Kavanaugh drunk as well.

01:09:25.900 Wait, wait, what?

01:09:28.100 So they weren't at the party.

01:09:30.000 They, they, they're, so they're third hand information.

01:09:34.400 It's called hearsay.

01:09:35.500 And the only evidence is that he's been drunk before?

01:09:37.580 Yeah.

01:09:37.880 So here's the thing.

01:09:39.100 They, they, they, all, a lot of those same people said, I don't have any knowledge of that, but she's credible.

01:09:46.700 Well, wait, that's based on what based based on what she might be credible on other things, but not necessarily on that.

01:09:53.560 This used to be called hearsay.

01:09:55.800 You don't report on hearsay.

01:09:59.200 You cannot convict on hearsay.

01:10:01.380 And what hearsay is, I heard someone say that this happened.

01:10:06.860 How many times do we get ourselves in trouble by saying that?

01:10:09.520 I don't really know, but this is what I heard.

01:10:12.100 We'd be out of business if we did it.

01:10:13.580 Of course.

01:10:14.140 For the left.

01:10:14.640 It's okay.

01:10:15.100 Of course.

01:10:15.660 Don't worry about it.

01:10:16.300 Yes.

01:10:17.540 Unfortunately, it's a ticking time bomb that they just keep speeding up.

01:10:22.600 It's only going to hurt them in the end.

01:10:25.500 As long as we refuse to let go of the truth and the principles that guide us every day.

01:10:32.980 And that is guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion.

01:10:38.400 You don't, you don't accept hearsay.

01:10:41.580 You, you listen to both sides and see who has.

01:10:45.960 Any evidence before you destroy somebody's life.

01:10:50.340 Thanks, Michael.

01:10:51.340 Back in just a second.

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01:12:07.460 We have a great, great guest on next hour.

01:12:10.400 I'm going to kind of let Pat take some of the vocal responsibilities here as my voice is getting weaker and weaker as we go.

01:12:18.500 You want me to sing?

01:12:19.340 I do.

01:12:19.820 I wouldn't mind.

01:12:20.560 Yeah, if you sing.

01:12:21.080 Oh, I think you would mind if I started singing.

01:12:23.040 Actually, I've heard you sing.

01:12:25.940 There is something that we should talk about.

01:12:30.140 Maybe we'll talk about it later in the show or on tomorrow's broadcast where blockchain is now being used for voting.

01:12:36.360 Where is it?

01:12:36.720 West Virginia?

01:12:37.160 West Virginia.

01:12:37.980 Yeah.

01:12:38.260 First time ever.

01:12:39.280 I'm not.

01:12:39.800 If you don't know what's on either end, but blockchain, you can't hack into.

01:12:43.780 So, I'm comfortable with blockchain.

01:12:46.780 Again, I don't know how it gets into the system and what the system is on either end.

01:12:50.360 It opens it up.

01:12:52.240 But this is going to make voting a lot easier.

01:12:57.080 A lot.

01:12:58.000 If you can vote on your phone, how many people?

01:13:01.060 It opens up the whole millennial world, doesn't it?

01:13:03.660 It means people who are watching Ellen for their news, they're voting.

01:13:10.120 They're voting.

01:13:11.020 That's not a good thing.

01:13:12.540 That's not a good thing.

01:13:14.040 Well, I mean, our founders said it was landowners that could vote.

01:13:17.460 Yeah, because they wanted you to have skin in the game. 0.74

01:13:19.780 And people who don't have any skin in the game, they don't make enough to be taxed even.

01:13:26.040 They're not paying taxes.

01:13:27.240 They're getting money back.

01:13:28.880 Do they have skin in the game?

01:13:30.200 And that's something that, you know, our founders thought about, but we don't.

01:13:38.120 Glenn Beck is coming live to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way.

01:13:43.720 He might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing.

01:13:47.320 Glenn Beck Live, the Addicted to Outrage Tour, on tour this fall.

01:13:53.120 Glenn Beck.

01:13:54.920 Pat Gray for Glenn, who just had to step away and get a little rest.

01:13:59.240 So he's not, you know, actually losing his voice for the next month.

01:14:04.020 So hopefully he'll be back again tomorrow.

01:14:08.000 888-727-BECK.

01:14:10.040 We are excited to have Mona Sharon, syndicated columnist and senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, joining us.

01:14:18.640 Mona, welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

01:14:21.440 Thanks.

01:14:22.120 So glad to be here.

01:14:23.160 You, just to refresh people's memory, you were the person who kind of challenged everybody at the CPAC meeting.

01:14:35.680 Was it, was that just this year?

01:14:37.700 Just this last CPAC, wasn't it?

01:14:39.120 It was in February.

01:14:40.640 That's right.

01:14:41.040 So it's really easy to go into a scene like that and say everything they want to hear.

01:14:46.680 We love Trump.

01:14:47.580 This is great.

01:14:48.640 The Republicans are fun and fantastic and doing a wonderful job. 0.89

01:14:53.500 You went a different direction and told them they were hypocrites, in part, among other things.

01:15:01.040 And they didn't seem to appreciate that, did they?

01:15:03.680 What kind of feedback did you get after, during and after CPAC?

01:15:07.160 Right.

01:15:09.040 So, look, it's always easy, as we're now seeing in the Kavanaugh situation, to tell your own side exactly what it wants to hear.

01:15:19.780 And so I chose that moment to say, look, you know, we can't be hypocrites about these issues of, you know, respecting women and so forth.

01:15:33.180 And so I was, you know, it was at that moment that the Roy Moore controversy was at its full boil.

01:15:40.820 And I mentioned that the Republican Party had endorsed Roy Moore, following the president's lead, had endorsed Roy Moore.

01:15:47.060 Here was a credibly accused teenager, a man who dated teenagers and arguably molested young teenagers when he was in his 30s.

01:15:56.880 That's just not acceptable.

01:15:58.860 And people on our side chose not to believe it or chose to overlook it or chose to just, you know, just bat it away.

01:16:05.660 But you can't do that, was what I was saying.

01:16:07.860 And I was also critical of other aspects of our side.

01:16:12.760 But, you know, it's just so rare in America today for anybody to be able to say, I have an open mind about accusations against somebody and I will wait for the evidence.

01:16:26.040 I mean, this week has just been such a nervous breakdown.

01:16:30.860 What the left has done regarding Kavanaugh is just assume that he's guilty based on allegations alone without evidence.

01:16:40.960 I mean, without more evidence, let's put it that way.

01:16:43.380 Yeah.

01:16:43.540 And they seem to be rationalizing it in that this is not a criminal trial.

01:16:48.320 So there's no presumption of innocence.

01:16:51.040 Well, that I don't I don't buy into that because you can't just change every rule because it's not a criminal hearing.

01:17:00.260 No.

01:17:00.920 In fact, you know, let's bear in mind that what we're saying then, if you say, well, you know, it's not a criminal trial.

01:17:08.780 It's just a job interview.

01:17:10.460 And therefore, you know, you can you can engage in full for character assassination and pay no price for it.

01:17:17.960 Is that the kind of society we want to live in where a mere accusation unsupported by convincing evidence will be enough to completely destroy a person's reputation?

01:17:30.560 I mean, you know, people used to fight duels over their reputations.

01:17:34.700 Reputation is still an incredibly important thing.

01:17:39.320 I mean, imagine if you've spent a lifetime, you know, trying to live an upright life and people regard you with respect.

01:17:47.520 And in the Kavanaugh's case, you're a federal judge.

01:17:50.120 And suddenly the whole world thinks of you as a as a would be rapist. 0.92

01:17:53.900 Yeah, it's just it will destroy his life. 0.99

01:17:59.140 It's despicable.

01:18:00.140 And the sad fact of this Me Too hysteria and nobody wants women to be abused or harassed or mistreated in any way.

01:18:12.620 But on the other hand, you can't just start destroying everybody in their career just on an allegation.

01:18:20.240 Right. And we're in a dangerous territory here.

01:18:23.000 Correct. And, you know, what first of all, so what a lot of the feminists and the Democrats are saying is we have to believe women because in the past women were not believed.

01:18:36.920 Well, it's a little more complicated than that.

01:18:39.440 I mean, yes, it is true that that in the past, sometimes women perhaps were not believed.

01:18:48.360 But first of all, we do know that false accusations of rape have been made by women. 0.66

01:18:56.320 Women do sometimes lie about rape and with terrible consequences. 1.00

01:19:00.940 Right. I mean, if you remember the Tawana Brawley episode a few years back, which brought Reverend Al Sharpton to fame, what did he do?

01:19:08.120 He presented this teenage girl who claimed that she had been raped and abused by four New York City cops.

01:19:15.300 And that turned out not to be true.

01:19:18.180 There have been many, many cases where women have alleged things that haven't been true.

01:19:23.980 The other instance that comes to mind more recently was a rape on campus.

01:19:29.740 It's the Rolling Stone story in which a student alleged that she had been gang raped at a fraternity in at the University of Virginia.

01:19:38.700 And, you know, everybody's stereotypes were rolled out.

01:19:41.840 They said, oh, these frat boys, you know, that's just the kind of thing one would expect from them. 0.60

01:19:46.920 The same sort of thing happened at Duke where an exotic dancer or stripper or whatever claimed that the lacrosse team had had raped her. 0.74

01:19:55.960 So so it's not unheard of for women to make false accusations.

01:20:00.120 That's the first thing we have to understand.

01:20:01.820 And the consequence of a rape conviction or a sexual assault conviction or or even a belief that somebody committed that crime are so severe that, of course, we should guard against, you know, flimsy or unproven accusations.

01:20:17.860 Because the consequences are so dire for the person who is accused.

01:20:22.760 But the other thing we have to realize as grownups is, look, in most instances of sexual assault, there are only two witnesses.

01:20:32.060 It does not happen for the most part in a public place.

01:20:36.900 And and because of that, of course, it is hard to parse what really happened.

01:20:43.860 It is he said, she said.

01:20:45.760 And so we do look for other forms of corroboration.

01:20:50.560 And and those include whether the woman sought medical care right away.

01:20:55.440 Did she tell other people at the time?

01:20:58.020 You know, did anybody see them together and so on?

01:21:01.960 And then also you look for patterns of behavior.

01:21:05.940 So in the Me Too movement, which I've been broadly supportive of, you know, I think that men who abuse women should be held to account and they should be shamed and punished.

01:21:18.780 And but what's what's notable in the most high profile cases that we've seen over the past year or so is that there are patterns of behavior that these these men, when they behave this way toward women, it's not just one woman.

01:21:34.140 It's a whole bunch of women who come forward and say, yes, me too. 1.00

01:21:38.800 And and so now this this movement, unfortunately, which was really, I think, a beneficial thing for our society, is being transported, transformed into a partisan cudgel to to go after Kavanaugh.

01:21:55.880 And and these, you know, these supportive statements are just they don't pass the the the minimal standards of evidence of evidentiary trustworthiness.

01:22:09.820 So, for example, the story that the New Yorker ran, which I think is a is a disgrace to journalism.

01:22:15.260 The woman in question there was remembering something that happened more than 30 years ago and was saying that she herself, the person making this accusation, was so unsure of whether it had been Kavanaugh or not, that she had to wait six days and consult her memories and consult her lawyer.

01:22:36.480 Mm hmm. Before she could come forward and say to the New Yorker, yeah, I think it was him.

01:22:42.240 Yeah. The last thirty five years weren't suspicious, weren't sufficient to consult her memories.

01:22:48.780 But the last then the six days were those were those were really helpful.

01:22:53.200 So so as we get as we're on the just the eve, I guess, of the testimony of this woman before the Senate tomorrow, if you had to guess, what will be the outcome of this?

01:23:07.340 Do you do you see Brett Kavanaugh being confirmed?

01:23:12.080 Well, first of all, it's still apparently up in the air as to whether the first whether Christine Lazy Ford will even show up.

01:23:21.180 People are not sure. Dianne Feinstein recently said she wasn't sure.

01:23:26.720 So I think if if she fails to testify, then there's absolutely no question that he'll be swiftly confirmed.

01:23:33.540 But or I shouldn't say no question, but very little doubt in my mind.

01:23:38.480 If she does testify and is extremely persuasive, then the balance might shift.

01:23:44.740 It's it's incredibly high stakes.

01:23:47.040 But but but we will see.

01:23:49.900 Let's by the way, for the sake of our listeners, let's clarify that this accusation is not the one the New Yorker wrote about.

01:23:57.240 This is the one that supposedly happened in high school.

01:24:01.140 And and and she she, too, you know, it said that she that that she did not want to come forward.

01:24:10.620 She made the accusation in an anonymous fashion.

01:24:14.540 And then when her name was outed, she said, yes, she would come forward.

01:24:19.880 But when the committee approached her and said, fine, we will hear your testimony in open session and closed session.

01:24:26.720 We can send a group to California to hear your testimony there.

01:24:32.480 She said no to all these things.

01:24:34.280 She said she didn't want to fly.

01:24:35.940 She said, I mean, she she seemed to be very squirrely about this.

01:24:39.620 I don't know.

01:24:40.660 I mean, it's it's it doesn't sound like she even now is really so sure.

01:24:47.960 We're speaking.

01:24:49.580 Go ahead.

01:24:51.300 No.

01:24:51.660 And therefore, her her her case, you know, I think she should be heard.

01:24:58.140 I think people should make an evaluation.

01:25:00.020 But but it does seem odd the the way she has behaved.

01:25:05.840 And of course, we can get into this later.

01:25:07.660 The Democrats have been appalling in the way they've handled all of this.

01:25:12.240 We're speaking with syndicated columnist Mona Sharon about the outrage culture.

01:25:18.880 Last hour, Mona, we were talking with Michael Recknenwald, who also has seen his his share of vitriol from the left.

01:25:27.740 And we were we were talking about how we can come together in this country and kind of heal the wounds and and move forward as a civilization.

01:25:39.140 And I just we were trying to find our way to getting back to some unity because we're so divided in this country.

01:25:48.020 And there's probably groups of people, at least two groups.

01:25:51.160 The Antifa people are never going to join hands with us.

01:25:53.480 And on the other side of the spectrum, the alt right neo-Nazis aren't going to join hands with us anyway.

01:25:59.900 And we don't want to, frankly.

01:26:01.840 So how do we find a common ground where we can all come together?

01:26:05.940 And is it possible to get there and agree on things like like capitalism, like the Bill of Rights, like the U.S. Constitution?

01:26:13.280 Is that doable from where we are now?

01:26:15.220 Well, we have to pray.

01:26:18.580 I mean, one of the things that that Twitter has done, I think, is amplify and provide a an echo chamber for all of our worst impulses and our most divisive voices.

01:26:34.600 And, you know, people who are on Twitter a lot are the ones who think that we're on the verge of a civil war in this country.

01:26:39.740 It is incredibly, you know, it's incredibly poisonous.

01:26:48.020 At the same time, you're so right to raise the question of whether there are any things that unite us now.

01:26:56.460 Glenn Thrush of The New York Times posted recently, you know, is there any institution or thing about the United States that we all agree on?

01:27:05.320 And somebody said, well, maybe the military, but there has to be more than that.

01:27:09.740 As you say, the Bill of Rights, our history of religious tolerance, you know, the Constitution, the, you know, love of liberty, love of human rights, individual dignity, all those things that we have always prided ourselves on.

01:27:27.820 And, look, one of the reasons that I did what I did at CPAC and some of the other things that I do is in an effort to say, look, I'm willing to criticize my own side.

01:27:41.240 Please step up on the other side.

01:27:43.960 Be willing to be critical of your own side because it has to start there.

01:27:48.100 And once people then give you credit for a certain amount of fair-mindedness, that can be the beginning of a conversation.

01:27:58.220 And some of the conversations that I've had with people who are sort of on the center-left have been very productive in that sense.

01:28:04.700 But I have to say that this week it's been really tough.

01:28:07.960 I would love to see, and I haven't, I would love to see some people on the left saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, let's not railroad Judge Kavanaugh and all men, you know, or men who went to prep school or so on and so forth, because we feel so passionately about, you know, abortion.

01:28:28.720 Let's face it, those are the stakes.

01:28:30.620 That's why this thing has become so rancorous.

01:28:33.180 It's because the stakes are Roe v. Wade being overturned, and the idea on the left seems to be all means, fair or foul, all means have to be employed.

01:28:43.340 If it means destroying someone's reputation, then that's all right.

01:28:48.360 And, you know, some of the people on the left don't even realize that people like us are fair-minded and are just trying to evaluate the evidence dispassionately.

01:29:03.180 They think, how could you possibly believe Brett Kavanaugh?

01:29:06.080 It's just, it's really difficult to bridge that divide.

01:29:10.960 Yeah, we are definitely in a tough place right now.

01:29:16.320 So if people want to have access to your books, your articles, where would you send them?

01:29:21.880 So I have a website, monacharon.com.

01:29:25.980 They can also find me at the Ethics and Public Policy site.

01:29:32.640 My work is published in National Review online.

01:29:35.760 It's available in lots of other newspapers.

01:29:38.540 Recently, I'm a syndicated columnist, and one of my, unfortunately, this past, within the past few weeks, one of my, one of Pat Buchanan's columns was put out under my name.

01:29:52.000 So I'm getting a lot of mail from people.

01:29:53.760 Oh, wow.

01:29:54.260 Whoa, whoa.

01:29:55.200 Yeah, so that was funny.

01:29:56.260 But yes, and people should go to Amazon.com and check out my new book because it's called Sex Matters, and it describes how modern feminism got us into a lot of the difficulties we're facing with sexual behavior and sexuality in general,

01:30:14.140 and differences between men and women, which they were very keen to deny, and I think that will shed some light on where we are.

01:30:23.020 It's called Sex Matters, How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense. 0.99

01:30:29.400 Sounds great.

01:30:30.340 All right, Mona, thank you.

01:30:31.400 Appreciate it.

01:30:32.700 My pleasure.

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01:32:03.320 Just checked out for the day, actually.

01:32:05.620 Pat and Jeffy here to finish up the show.

01:32:09.460 And hopefully he'll be back tomorrow.

01:32:11.480 Yeah.

01:32:11.800 He sounds sick.

01:32:13.300 He does.

01:32:14.260 He does.

01:32:14.820 And I realize that we all have a problem at looking good, but he did not look well.

01:32:21.740 I'm glad that he left.

01:32:22.940 And he needs to get better because he's got the big book tour coming up.

01:32:26.340 Right.

01:32:26.740 I mean, we have the new book, Addicted to Outrage, and he's going to be doing the Addicted to Outrage book tour.

01:32:31.480 I mean, he's traveling the country.

01:32:32.900 You can go to glennbeck.com slash tour and get all the dates.

01:32:39.080 But, I mean, he's going to be in Dallas on October 7th, Tampa November 30th, Orlando December 1st.

01:32:45.020 He's going to be two or three places here in Texas, San Antonio, Houston, and again here in Dallas on October 27th, as I said.

01:32:51.640 So, Addicted to Outrage tour is going on.

01:32:54.320 I think that they're still in talks with adding some more cities, but you can find all of them at glennbeck.com slash tour.

01:33:02.020 It's going to be fun.

01:33:03.220 And this isn't a downer tour.

01:33:05.820 This isn't where Glenn is going around the country preaching about catastrophic failure of the economy.

01:33:11.800 We're talking about the same Glenn Beck, right?

01:33:13.240 Yes.

01:33:13.680 Okay.

01:33:14.060 Which is amazing.

01:33:14.960 This is a, it's going to be funny.

01:33:16.440 It's going to be, it's going to be fun and it will be funny.

01:33:20.160 And I'm begging him not to even say anything about catastrophe.

01:33:24.900 We'll just avoid all catastrophic talk for a while.

01:33:28.320 What about the sale of baby body parts or anything?

01:33:30.760 No.

01:33:31.340 No.

01:33:32.120 You'll save that for the Christmas party.

01:33:33.600 Okay.

01:33:34.300 So, that'll be fun.

01:33:37.380 It all begins.

01:33:38.860 The tour kicks off in San Antonio, October 25th.

01:33:42.060 More of the Glenn Beck program with Pat and Jeffy coming up.

01:33:46.440 This is the Glenn Beck program.

01:33:51.900 With Pat and Jeffy finishing up today because Glenn can barely speak at this point.

01:33:57.980 Hopefully, that'll change.

01:33:59.420 He'll be back tomorrow.

01:34:00.880 One of the least funny people in the history of television to me is Stephen Colbert.

01:34:07.060 He's up there.

01:34:08.320 Yeah.

01:34:08.760 He's up there with the word.

01:34:09.720 Or down there.

01:34:10.280 Or down there.

01:34:10.800 Whatever the case may be.

01:34:11.960 But last night, he was talking about Ted Cruz being accosted at the D.C. restaurant.

01:34:18.600 Tonight on Meanwhile, Texas Senator Ted Cruz had a rough night.

01:34:25.880 They're just chanting Cruz.

01:34:29.520 Cruz is close friends with Brett Kavanaugh and also in a tight Senate race with Democratic opponent Beto O'Rourke.

01:34:35.740 Why would these people who obviously probably live in the Northeast, what do you even care about Beto O'Rourke?

01:34:47.560 You know nothing about him.

01:34:49.140 You know what he looks like.

01:34:50.180 Maybe.

01:34:50.780 Maybe you've heard the name.

01:34:52.380 Well, I mean, of course you know that he's hotter than Ted Cruz.

01:34:54.760 Sure.

01:34:55.240 Dude.

01:34:55.700 Obviously.

01:34:56.600 Cruz and his wife were heckled at a D.C. restaurant by protesters last night.

01:35:00.920 Have a look-see.

01:35:01.440 We believe survivors!

01:35:03.740 We believe survivors!

01:35:05.480 We believe survivors!

01:35:07.420 We believe survivors!

01:35:09.380 Beto is way hotter than you do. 1.00

01:35:12.800 Okay. 0.94

01:35:13.760 First of all, this is not helpful.

01:35:17.960 Don't do this.

01:35:19.260 Thank you.

01:35:20.560 What?

01:35:21.280 Yeah.

01:35:22.140 Kind of a surprise, right?

01:35:24.100 They've gone too far on the left, even for Stephen Colbert.

01:35:28.120 Maybe you dial this thing back a little bit.

01:35:30.180 He's afraid we're going to start doing it to him.

01:35:32.280 He wants to be able to eat by himself at a restaurant.

01:35:34.580 It's not going to end with Ted Cruz, and hopefully he's smart enough to acknowledge that and to realize that.

01:35:41.040 And to know that that's not an American principle, trying to keep people out of a dinner date with their wife. 0.67

01:35:49.300 Sorry, you can't be in here.

01:35:51.700 It's amazing.

01:35:53.640 That sure is.

01:35:54.240 You've got to give credit where credit is due, though, for Colbert to call that out.

01:35:58.160 Because who else has done that?

01:36:00.320 Well, I'll tell you one other person.

01:36:02.660 Beto O'Rourke actually said much the same thing.

01:36:07.420 He tweeted out,

01:36:09.700 It's not right that Senator Cruz and his wife Heidi were surrounded and forced to leave a restaurant last night because of protesters.

01:36:16.740 The Cruz family should be treated with respect.

01:36:20.620 Nice! 0.94

01:36:21.020 It's a class move from Beto.

01:36:24.040 So to Stephen Colbert and to Beto for at least this, thank you for that.

01:36:30.060 Yeah.

01:36:30.500 Thank you.

01:36:31.400 Helping to restore a little bit of sanity.

01:36:33.680 You know, we've been talking with these guests over the last hour about how we come together as an American,

01:36:39.960 as an American people, as a civilization, as a culture.

01:36:43.480 Well, there you go.

01:36:45.020 There's two examples of the left kind of reaching out and saying, yeah, okay, that's not cool.

01:36:50.660 Stop doing that.

01:36:52.800 Let's start treating people with decency again.

01:36:56.920 Wouldn't that be nice?

01:36:57.620 Yeah, it'd be nice.

01:36:58.180 And look, it never was perfect.

01:37:01.200 No.

01:37:01.280 There was always a time when you would say, yeah, you know, I'm trying to think of a good example.

01:37:06.920 I take my car to get fixed by Fred, who's, you know, he's a little crazy, but he's a good guy and he fixes my car good.

01:37:12.800 So we hang, you know, I talk to him when he fixes my car and we're good.

01:37:16.240 In today's world, you know, you can't talk to Fred.

01:37:19.180 No. 0.97

01:37:19.840 He's crazy. 0.99

01:37:20.800 And we can't talk to him. 1.00

01:37:21.540 Fred might hit you with a lug wrench. 0.52

01:37:23.140 Right.

01:37:23.400 He won't work on your car at all.

01:37:25.320 Yeah.

01:37:25.440 I mean, there's got to be some kind of line of discourse because it's definitely gotten worse.

01:37:33.040 Yes, I agree with that.

01:37:34.120 I thought it was bad during the Bush selected, not elected thing, but it's gone so far downhill from that time period.

01:37:43.280 Oh, yeah.

01:37:44.440 You can't even recognize that time period from here.

01:37:48.280 Triple eight, seven, two, seven back.

01:37:50.340 Let's go to Dave in North Carolina.

01:37:52.020 Dave, you're on the Glenn Beck program.

01:37:53.620 Hi, Pat.

01:37:56.280 I think it's time for the U2 movement to start as a contradiction to the Me Too movement.

01:38:03.200 I think that there's been so much that's come out of this Brett Kavanaugh hearing and the two accusers.

01:38:09.380 It's evident that people aren't sharing responsibility for what they do.

01:38:13.740 The U2 movement would be sharing responsibility with women who go into motel rooms with men that know they shouldn't be there.

01:38:21.020 They get drunk at college parties.

01:38:22.560 They know they shouldn't do that.

01:38:24.040 They go into a bedroom and they expect that nothing's going to happen.

01:38:27.820 And they're the ones that are accusing men of being these vile predators all the time, all powerful.

01:38:35.320 It doesn't matter who you look at, the Matt Lauer case or anybody else.

01:38:40.360 It's always man as predator, woman as innocent victim, and they have the right to be heard.

01:38:46.760 But they never share responsibility.

01:38:49.840 No.

01:38:50.460 And I mean, I appreciate the call, Dave.

01:38:52.780 It's never the woman's fault that they've been abused by a man.

01:38:56.160 That should just not happen.

01:39:00.240 But you're right.

01:39:01.040 I mean, you should be wise enough to know not to put yourself into a compromising prediction or predicament, I guess.

01:39:11.980 A compromising position, I think, is the word I'm actually groping for.

01:39:16.600 But in the case of, like he mentioned, Matt Lauer, in the case of Matt Lauer, Matt Lauer would apparently, according to some of the stories.

01:39:25.880 The reports we saw.

01:39:27.140 Yeah.

01:39:27.580 Invite a woman into his office. 0.85

01:39:29.220 She would come in.

01:39:30.040 He would lock the door.

01:39:30.940 He would tell her to bend over, and he would go over and pull down her pants or dress or whatever she was wearing. 1.00

01:39:36.880 And apparently nothing was said about that.

01:39:40.960 According to the woman involved in that particular situation, she didn't say anything.

01:39:45.620 Because she was worried about the power dynamic.

01:39:47.540 Right.

01:39:48.860 Come on.

01:39:49.540 Well, I mean, we talked about that yesterday, right?

01:39:51.200 About the girl on the airplane with the background.

01:39:53.000 She was frozen.

01:39:53.640 She was frozen and too scared.

01:39:55.580 No.

01:39:56.020 No.

01:39:56.560 Mm-mm.

01:39:57.140 Nope.

01:39:57.520 I'm not buying it.

01:39:58.200 And it wasn't her boss.

01:39:59.100 It wasn't anybody she even knew.

01:40:00.360 It's a passenger that's sitting next to her on a plane.

01:40:02.940 You can't say no?

01:40:03.780 Stop.

01:40:04.180 I thought about that.

01:40:05.160 Stop.

01:40:05.860 A couple more times yesterday.

01:40:07.240 Like, I have to be married to a female that is just different from the rest of them. 1.00

01:40:12.400 Because I know.

01:40:13.900 There's no way.

01:40:14.580 I mean, I get told, what the heck do you think you're doing?

01:40:18.080 Mm-hmm.

01:40:18.400 Let alone someone that doesn't even know her.

01:40:20.660 Well, of course you get told that.

01:40:21.720 That's what I mean.

01:40:22.400 You know what I mean?

01:40:22.920 I mean, come on.

01:40:25.720 Just because you've got a piece of paper that says you're married doesn't mean she wants anything. 1.00

01:40:30.360 to do with you.

01:40:31.840 I've come to realize that.

01:40:32.700 You know what I mean?

01:40:33.420 I do.

01:40:33.900 I do, actually.

01:40:34.760 Sadly, I do. 0.85

01:40:36.240 So let's not get silly.

01:40:39.480 Let's keep the discussion within the realm of reality, if we could.

01:40:43.140 I apologize.

01:40:44.380 John in Arkansas.

01:40:45.860 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:40:48.120 Hey.

01:40:48.820 Hey.

01:40:48.960 I'm a big fan of you guys.

01:40:50.880 Thank you guys for all you do.

01:40:52.560 Thank you.

01:40:53.020 I've listened to you guys since the early 2000s.

01:40:55.520 Awesome.

01:40:55.780 Nice.

01:40:56.140 Hey.

01:40:57.200 I wanted to find out, are there any other pictures of Christine Ford?

01:41:02.340 I've, I, all there is is like sunglasses on her face out in the snow somewhere.

01:41:07.680 Yeah.

01:41:07.940 The one shot.

01:41:08.440 It's true.

01:41:09.100 I hadn't thought of that.

01:41:10.420 Uh, and when is that picture?

01:41:11.840 When was that take, with that picture taken?

01:41:14.000 I don't know.

01:41:14.360 If she shows up at the hearing, we'll find out, won't we?

01:41:16.500 I guess so.

01:41:17.200 Yeah.

01:41:17.380 If she shows up.

01:41:18.200 Right.

01:41:18.700 Yeah.

01:41:19.080 So what is your theory on that, John?

01:41:20.860 What's your theory on the one picture situation?

01:41:23.680 Well, I, I don't know.

01:41:25.480 I just was wondering that, uh, for the past couple of days, I was thinking, man, I wonder

01:41:31.400 what she looks like without sunglasses.

01:41:32.960 Is she a real person or, I mean, because even by the photo that you've got, it hides the

01:41:38.340 part of her eyes.

01:41:39.300 So, I mean, she could be any blonde in the United States or around the world anywhere. 0.73

01:41:43.560 Wow.

01:41:44.280 Yeah.

01:41:44.640 How dare you?

01:41:46.080 Wow.

01:41:46.440 I appreciate the call, John.

01:41:47.560 Thanks.

01:41:47.820 I don't know.

01:41:48.320 We'll have to look into that a little bit.

01:41:50.740 Uh, in fact, I'm going to, let's just Google.

01:41:53.340 I know that there's, I know that there's a bunch of, uh, uh, internet pictures of her

01:41:58.060 showing up in other pictures, like with, uh, Hillary and Uma.

01:42:02.960 Where it's been photoshopped or whatever.

01:42:05.280 I personally, I, I, I guess they're photoshopped.

01:42:08.640 I'm guessing they are.

01:42:10.160 I don't think she was around all these, uh, people, but, uh, it's funny to see.

01:42:14.460 I just Googled her name and you got the sunglasses picture and that's it.

01:42:21.720 Well, here's one where she's in a side-by-side.

01:42:23.940 It looks like they're, um, yearbook pictures.

01:42:26.940 It, so somebody got a picture of her apparently from her high school yearbook.

01:42:30.960 So there's that one and there's the sunglasses picture.

01:42:34.200 So there's, a little time has elapsed since a couple of the pictures.

01:42:37.660 Yeah, I would say.

01:42:38.820 And it's interesting too, that there's still doubt as to whether or not she's even going

01:42:42.440 to show up and testify.

01:42:43.660 That hasn't been definitively decided yet.

01:42:47.200 That's amazing.

01:42:47.660 It's tomorrow.

01:42:49.120 She's supposed to testify tomorrow. 0.81

01:42:51.500 And if she doesn't, I say they hold the vote right then and there.

01:42:55.500 If she, if she is a no-show, you just call for the vote and let's get this thing done.

01:42:59.940 Let's get it over with.

01:43:00.780 One way or the other, up or down, give him, give him the vote.

01:43:03.420 I mean, that was the big, uh, the big thing that, uh, what McConnell had said they were

01:43:06.800 going to have the vote, uh, on Friday, right?

01:43:08.860 Yeah.

01:43:09.140 Uh, no matter what.

01:43:09.900 And that's kind of, they were saying that he, you know, was, uh, jumping the gun because

01:43:13.960 we don't know if she's going to testify or not.

01:43:15.680 I mean, maybe he knows.

01:43:16.960 She's not going to show up.

01:43:18.480 Possibly.

01:43:18.800 We're going to have the vote on Friday.

01:43:20.060 Let's go.

01:43:20.340 Derek in Washington.

01:43:22.040 You're on the Glenn Beck program.

01:43:23.220 Hi.

01:43:24.520 Hi.

01:43:24.900 How are you guys doing today?

01:43:25.840 Good.

01:43:26.040 I'm going to make it quick.

01:43:27.300 So, uh, you guys talked about, uh, Bento and, uh, uh, Colbert talking about these people

01:43:34.960 need to stop harassing people like Ted Cruz.

01:43:37.180 You know, that's a good start in the right direction.

01:43:39.320 But I mean, the big thing is we got to, we got to get somebody to, you know, get that

01:43:42.620 message through to Maxine Waters and some of those others that this is not right.

01:43:46.220 This is not civil and this is not the way government was meant to be.

01:43:49.860 I mean, I agree.

01:43:52.360 I agree.

01:43:53.100 And you know, some of the democratic leadership has actually asked her to calm down on that

01:43:57.320 stuff and she's refusing to do it. 1.00

01:43:58.900 That's not going to happen.

01:43:59.620 She believes it.

01:44:00.640 Yeah.

01:44:00.840 Appreciate the call, Derek.

01:44:01.880 She, she believes it.

01:44:02.840 And, and if something bad happens again from these, uh, senators, congressmen, Trump supporters,

01:44:11.300 people in the administration, just supporters of Trump, if something violent happens to one

01:44:16.120 of these people during one of these mob get togethers, she's partially, partially responsible.

01:44:21.480 She'll never own up to it, but she is.

01:44:22.960 But she, she would be.

01:44:24.020 Oh, she absolutely is.

01:44:25.660 You know, this kind of bows to why, you know, this, this action really goes back to one of

01:44:31.780 the reasons and one of the bigger ones of why Donald Trump got elected president in the

01:44:36.460 first place.

01:44:37.420 Right.

01:44:38.140 Is this, this action of, of hatred and we do, we want somebody to fight back.

01:44:42.200 Yeah.

01:44:42.460 And that's, that's what got you down with Trump.

01:44:45.760 So if you're looking to get rid of Trump, you may try a new direction.

01:44:50.220 Yeah.

01:44:50.400 It's, it's not a good way to go about it.

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01:46:49.380 Uh, Pat and Jeffy for the last few minutes of Glenn show.

01:46:51.780 Hopefully he'll be back feeling well enough tomorrow to be back again.

01:46:55.220 Um, Michael Avenatti, the attorney for Stormy Daniels has now produced this so-called, uh,

01:47:01.640 client of his, um, trying to show that this is not a hoax from Chan for, for Chan or Chan

01:47:09.380 for whatever that is.

01:47:10.860 Uh, there was a, there was a rumor that maybe somebody hoaxed him on this.

01:47:14.480 Yes.

01:47:14.820 So he actually tweeted out a, a photo of, of the person involved here that claims that, 0.87

01:47:22.900 uh, Brett Kavanaugh was involved in rape gangs and she was gang raped.

01:47:30.480 That's her, her claim.

01:47:33.100 So Avenatti tweeted out the picture of her, Julie Swetnick.

01:47:37.220 She's, and he said, she is courageous, brave, and honest.

01:47:40.800 We ask that her privacy and that of her family be respected.

01:47:44.080 You just tweeted out her photo and her name.

01:47:48.880 What you, you just showed the world who she is and gave them her name.

01:47:56.040 Only on the internet though.

01:47:57.080 Uh, right.

01:47:58.360 Where does that go?

01:47:59.340 Like three people see that?

01:48:01.900 So in his, uh, tweet, he writes, uh, below is my correspondence to Mr. Davis of moments

01:48:10.520 ago together, uh, with a sworn declaration from my client.

01:48:14.400 We demand an immediate FBI investigation into the allegations under no circumstances should

01:48:20.320 Brett Kavanaugh be confirmed absent of full and complete investigation.

01:48:24.320 Um, how are you going, what are you going to investigate?

01:48:29.480 This supposedly happened in 1982.

01:48:32.920 Wow.

01:48:33.580 She claims in approximately 1982.

01:48:35.720 Now, if this really happened to you, wouldn't that be pretty clear?

01:48:40.180 Wouldn't that be seared into your mind the exact day?

01:48:43.340 The, uh, the way things smelled, the way things looked.

01:48:48.200 Uh, I mean, it's hard to believe that you wouldn't know exactly, but approximately 1982.

01:48:53.780 I became the victim of one of these gang or train rapes where Mark judge and Brett Kavanaugh

01:48:59.240 were present shortly after the incident.

01:49:02.320 I shared what had transpired with at least two other people during the incident.

01:49:07.060 I was incapacitated without my consent and unable to fight off the boys raping me.

01:49:12.460 I believe I was drugged using quaaludes or something similar placed in what I was drinking.

01:49:19.680 Wow.

01:49:20.200 Now she, according to this story alleged, uh, she did not allege that Kavanaugh had sexually

01:49:26.260 assaulted her though.

01:49:27.120 She was just, she, she was present, present.

01:49:30.140 Yeah.

01:49:30.440 But she also says in this, in this article, it talks about her, um, uh, she witnessed efforts

01:49:38.440 by Kavanaugh and Mark judge to get teenage girls inebriated and disoriented so they could 0.93

01:49:44.740 be gang raped. 0.94

01:49:45.920 So she witnessed this and didn't do anything. 1.00

01:49:50.200 Crazy.

01:49:52.480 This is amazing.

01:49:53.580 I mean, people who know him and have known him for most of their lives have just said

01:50:01.820 this is completely out of his character based on his interview the other night on Fox news.

01:50:06.480 It certainly doesn't seem possible.

01:50:07.840 It sure does not.

01:50:09.620 He, he seemed credible and believable to me.

01:50:12.280 Um, but who knows how many more people will jump out of the woodwork to try to stop this

01:50:18.520 guy from being confirmed.

01:50:20.180 Are you going to talk about it more on Pat Gray Unleashed?

01:50:23.060 Uh, it's a good chance that will happen.

01:50:24.420 Yes.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 26, 2018

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