The Glenn Beck Program - 'Media, You're Better Than This？'

00:00:00.000 The Blaze Radio Network, on demand.

00:00:07.500 Glenn Beck.

00:00:09.500 At a bullfight, there is a palpable twinge to the air.

00:00:15.860 The moment the bull loses its mind, it first stands there.

00:00:20.440 It's lured by the red cape.

00:00:22.140 The bull stomps, howls, shakes his head, prepares to charge.

00:00:26.860 Then it howls again, chuffs, and then charges full bore.

00:00:32.160 And that's what takes your breath away, sprinting at the red like a steam engine that just can't be stopped.

00:00:37.740 Only to have the red yanked away at the last second, if you're lucky.

00:00:45.260 Let me take you to Barnstable, Massachusetts.

00:00:48.460 This was the scene. It was at a red light.

00:00:51.660 A man and his girlfriend waiting patiently at a red light.

00:00:54.660 When all of a sudden, a bull emerged.

00:00:59.020 It was in the form of a 25-year-old woman in a gray Honda Civic.

00:01:03.600 The man and his girlfriend heard banshee-like screaming.

00:01:07.520 And got out of the car, thinking the 25-year-old woman was trying to tell them something was wrong with their car.

00:01:12.540 No, she was blinded like the bull by the red.

00:01:15.940 She was livid.

00:01:16.860 She was in the throes and tosses of bull's rage, fixated on the red cape that was on the back of their car.

00:01:28.580 A Trump bumper sticker.

00:01:31.520 She said, you voted for Trump!

00:01:33.440 He said, yeah, yeah, I did.

00:01:36.960 She called me a racist and all kinds of other names.

00:01:43.220 Well, that did it, apparently.

00:01:45.020 The woman reared her car, chuffed, howled, and then charged at the man's car.

00:01:49.920 Man has it all on video.

00:01:51.940 She bent my door.

00:01:53.040 I had to lean back to avoid getting hit.

00:01:55.940 She also hit the side of my car.

00:01:58.040 Then, with the smoke lingering in the air, the woman raged off, howling and screaming.

00:02:09.140 Apparently, she was easy to spot, even easier to throw in jail.

00:02:13.200 My question is, I'm wondering if CNN is covering this story today.

00:02:18.820 I'm wondering if CNN, you know, because they're all very, very upset about the possible violence that the president is churning.

00:02:28.040 I'm wondering if CNN has a moment of their day to report this story and say, gee, let's make sure we're not revving people up.

00:02:43.480 Where did this woman get her violent tendency?

00:02:46.460 Or, CNN, is it okay for her to do it?

00:02:53.320 And you hold no responsibility.

00:02:58.040 It's Thursday, August 2nd.

00:03:02.480 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:03:05.940 Holy cow.

00:03:07.600 Welcome to the program.

00:03:08.500 So glad you're here.

00:03:09.500 I cannot take the CNN stuff anymore.

00:03:16.300 I just can't.

00:03:17.140 I can't.

00:03:17.660 You know, CNN really blew its chance.

00:03:22.360 A few years ago, CNN had an opportunity.

00:03:26.200 They weren't MSNBC.

00:03:28.220 And they were still left.

00:03:30.160 They weren't crazy, crazy left all the time.

00:03:33.600 But they were still left.

00:03:35.080 They were still Clinton.

00:03:36.580 You know what I mean?

00:03:37.460 But they weren't socialists.

00:03:39.340 And they weren't crazy all the time.

00:03:41.600 When the election happened, I know a lot of people said that we're watching, you know, MSNBC.

00:03:50.360 I can't watch MSNBC anymore.

00:03:52.760 And they went to CNN.

00:03:54.860 And then some people said, I can't watch Fox anymore.

00:03:57.760 They went to CNN.

00:03:58.580 But CNN quickly lost their mind.

00:04:02.240 Did you see the latest poll?

00:04:04.100 Jonathan Turley just did an article on the latest poll.

00:04:08.100 Do you know where the most trusted name in news is now in the top 10 of trusted names of news?

00:04:16.500 Yeah, most.

00:04:17.660 No.

00:04:18.560 No?

00:04:18.860 Well, if you count number nine most.

00:04:21.220 Nine out of ten?

00:04:21.900 Number nine out of ten.

00:04:24.060 This, of course, begs the question, who was number ten?

00:04:26.400 Uh, it was, um, Sinclair.

00:04:30.720 Okay.

00:04:31.440 Okay?

00:04:31.860 So they're down to Sinclair.

00:04:34.220 Mm-hmm.

00:04:35.360 Uh, number one was the BBC.

00:04:37.320 Number two was Fox.

00:04:39.100 Number three was NPR.

00:04:41.280 So, you immediately, I saw people online, because I posted this last night on Twitter, and everyone's like,

00:04:46.460 Oh, yeah, well, that's just a bunch of crazy nutjob right-wing people that were pulled.

00:04:50.840 Really?

00:04:51.420 BBC was number one.

00:04:53.200 NPR or PBS was number three.

00:04:55.220 I don't think so.

00:04:57.000 Shows our faith in government institutions to tell us the truth, though, doesn't it?

00:05:01.600 I mean, BBC and NPR are at the top of the list, but, you know.

00:05:05.700 I would actually go for the BBC more than I would go for an American news source.

00:05:10.360 I trust the foreign news sources a little more than I do American news sources.

00:05:15.760 You big Al Jazeera guy, like Hillary?

00:05:17.980 Yeah.

00:05:18.660 No, I mean, I just, only because we saw this during Barack Obama.

00:05:22.000 They were willing to say it.

00:05:25.320 Everybody here was not willing to go anywhere and say anything or do any kind of real reporting.

00:05:31.280 And remember, all of the real reporting on Barack Obama happened overseas.

00:05:35.120 Yeah, a lot of that was.

00:05:37.220 The other part of that that's interesting is they don't have the same, the feeling of hesitation to say something about Barack Obama.

00:05:47.520 For example, like, they like universal health care, single-payer health care.

00:05:51.400 Right.

00:05:51.480 So they don't feel the need to defend Barack Obama.

00:05:54.580 Whoa, he said that a long time ago.

00:05:56.000 He doesn't mean that anymore.

00:05:57.060 Don't worry, he just, you can keep your doctor.

00:05:58.820 They don't feel that need.

00:06:00.020 Right.

00:06:00.400 Right?

00:06:00.660 Like, because they're already down that road and they think that's a good thing.

00:06:03.120 Right.

00:06:03.400 So they're saying to say, well, he actually wants those things, which, of course, was true.

00:06:06.760 But it was just denied by everybody here.

00:06:08.800 No, it was not, Stu.

00:06:10.580 No?

00:06:10.780 He was not for any kind of socialism at all.

00:06:14.240 You're a racist for even thinking that.

00:06:17.200 Isn't it absolutely incredible how socialism now all of a sudden?

00:06:23.820 When I said on Fox, and we're trying to find the first time I said it, but I remember I said it the first time on Fox.

00:06:29.500 I can see it in my head.

00:06:31.280 I know exactly where I was standing when I said it.

00:06:34.260 Because I think I just said it just off the top of my head.

00:06:37.720 And I'm like, believe me, they were pounding me for saying that Barack Obama was possibly a socialist.

00:06:46.580 And I'm making the case, how is he anything else?

00:06:50.720 Look at the policies.

00:06:52.660 And they were pounding me saying that was racist and no, socialism, that is just a racial slur.

00:06:59.220 No, it's not.

00:07:00.460 No, it's an economic policy.

00:07:02.920 That's what it is.

00:07:03.920 It's an economic system that has failed every time it's tried.

00:07:09.060 So I remember saying, you watch, at some point, they're going to have this thing so screwed up.

00:07:15.780 At some point, they're just going to take off the masks and they're going to be, yeah, I'm a socialist.

00:07:21.080 Damn right.

00:07:21.940 In fact, capitalism doesn't work.

00:07:25.000 We got to try something new.

00:07:27.900 Well, here we are.

00:07:29.440 Is it still racist to call somebody a socialist?

00:07:34.240 I mean, here we are.

00:07:35.660 Did you see the article from Vox?

00:07:40.640 From Megan Day?

00:07:41.680 It's incredible.

00:07:42.560 And really a great piece.

00:07:46.760 Love it.

00:07:47.020 A great piece of writing that was completely necessary for the American people right now.

00:07:55.320 This is something where the mask has come completely off and she's not ashamed of it, nor should she be.

00:08:01.240 I'm not ashamed that I'm a constitutional capitalist.

00:08:04.060 Why should she be ashamed that she's a big state socialist?

00:08:10.880 So she writes a very honest piece.

00:08:15.460 And let me just give you the start.

00:08:17.060 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic socialist who won the New York primary race with New York gubernatorial candidate Cynthia Nixon.

00:08:25.860 Nixon has embraced the political socialist label as well.

00:08:30.060 They are not the traditional socialist.

00:08:32.520 There is no call for communal ownership of production, said MSNBC anchor, while trying to define democratic socialism, a term that has burst into the political scene.

00:08:43.780 I am open to persuasion on this, but my instinct is that if you mean by democratic socialism is stuff FDR proposed, you might be better off using a more all-American reference point like the New Deal or FDR.

00:08:58.800 Now, this is according to the Vox senior correspondent and to MSNBC as they are as they are trying to excuse it and minimize it.

00:09:06.880 Then she quotes me, democratic socialists will not be covered by the media as the radicals that they are, said Glenn Beck.

00:09:14.180 They are they're going to be covered as innovative, millennial friendly upstart with fresh ideas when they're really diet communists.

00:09:23.480 That's a good way of putting it.

00:09:24.760 Right.

00:09:25.040 OK, so the phrase she says is indeed everywhere.

00:09:28.280 So what does it mean?

00:09:30.340 And she starts to tell us exactly what it means.

00:09:33.800 And in a very honest way.

00:09:35.060 Again, this is in Vox.

00:09:36.640 You can read it.

00:09:37.160 We'll tweet it out from Matt World of Stu at Glenn Beck.

00:09:39.660 She writes, I'm a staff writer at the socialist magazine Jacobin and a member of the DSA.

00:09:45.260 By the way, have you ever read Jacobin?

00:09:46.780 I mean, bits and pieces.

00:09:48.480 I just read it two days ago.

00:09:50.660 It is.

00:09:52.040 It is not anything like American philosophy.

00:09:58.580 No, I mean, it is.

00:10:00.080 And look, you know, American philosophy is I certainly appreciate it quite a bit.

00:10:05.200 You know, and I think I tend to go to the idea that it's a miracle.

00:10:08.780 Jonah Goldberg's book talks a lot about that.

00:10:10.620 Yep.

00:10:11.020 But in that doesn't mean it's the only philosophy.

00:10:15.160 And if you're going to believe something else, you should admit it.

00:10:17.400 So she does.

00:10:18.580 I'm a staff writer at the socialist magazine Jacobin and a member of the Democratic Socialist of America.

00:10:22.360 And here's the truth.

00:10:23.520 In the long run, Democrats, Democratic Socialists want to end capitalism.

00:10:28.040 Period.

00:10:29.320 In the long run, Democratic Socialists want to end capitalism.

00:10:34.480 We do that by pursuing a reform agenda today in an effort to revive a politics focused on class hierarchy and inequality in the United States.

00:10:41.560 Isn't that what's happening?

00:10:42.580 We are seeing the end, as I've told you, we are seeing the end now of the progressive movement.

00:10:47.700 It's still progressing towards this, but you're now getting to a place to where it is so juxtaposed to our system that everything is starting to break down.

00:11:00.880 The gears are starting to grind because we're neither a capitalist society and one that follows the Constitution, nor are we a socialist or communist society.

00:11:10.500 We're neither.

00:11:11.780 And these two things do not go together.

00:11:14.720 The age of reason and the age of postmodernism cannot coexist.

00:11:19.980 And so we're at this point of choosing.

00:11:22.800 And it's coming down on us pretty hard soon.

00:11:25.680 Democratic Socialists share goals with New Deal liberals, but they want to go farther.

00:11:30.500 Pooling society's resources to meet people's basic needs is a tenet of social democracy, one that's been advocated domestically by much of the labor movement

00:11:38.260 and by many of its political supporters among New Deal and post-New Deal liberals.

00:11:42.200 This is a vision we share, but we also want more than FDR did.

00:11:46.520 Many observers see groups like the Democratic Socialists pushing for policies like Medicare for All

00:11:52.380 and decide that we must actually be something like New Deal liberals who are simply confused about the meaning of socialism.

00:11:59.140 That's not true, period.

00:12:01.440 Our goal is to rein in the excesses of capitalism for a few decades at a time,

00:12:06.080 and we want to end our society's subservience to the market.

00:12:10.960 Medicare for All is an instructive example.

00:12:13.280 Winning single-payer health care in the U.S. would be enormous relief to millions of Americans.

00:12:18.000 Many progressives and an increasing number of centrist liberals,

00:12:21.540 hell, even a few Trump voters,

00:12:23.460 want private insurance industry to be replaced by a single comprehensive public insurance program.

00:12:28.620 We want that too.

00:12:29.880 But we also know that Medicare for All is not socialism.

00:12:33.100 It would only nationalize insurance, not the whole health care system.

00:12:37.540 Doctors would remain private employees, for example,

00:12:41.760 though under some plans they would be required to restructure their businesses and entities.

00:12:46.620 Democratic Socialists ultimately want something more like the British National Health Service, NHS,

00:12:52.940 in which everyone pays taxes to fund not just insurance, but doctors and hospitals and medicine as well.

00:12:58.940 So it's the VA.

00:12:59.980 Why do people have to go to the NHS?

00:13:02.500 It's just the VA.

00:13:03.800 That's what the VA is.

00:13:06.100 Why do they have to go to the NIH?

00:13:08.820 It's the VA.

00:13:10.760 Everyone works for the government.

00:13:12.580 The government calls the shots.

00:13:15.060 They have eye care.

00:13:16.400 You can get those really nice black glasses, which are coming back in style now.

00:13:20.240 You know, if you're really, really woke, you can have the glasses that the government has been selling to veterans

00:13:27.020 and people of the VA since the 1950s.

00:13:29.400 It's wonderful.

00:13:30.920 Why do you have to go to the NIH?

00:13:33.480 NHS.

00:13:34.140 Or NHS.

00:13:35.040 It already is here.

00:13:39.900 All you want to do is expand the VA system.

00:13:43.800 It's incredible.

00:13:45.140 So why are Democratic Socialists not demanding an NHS right now?

00:13:48.860 It's a good question, right?

00:13:50.780 Because we currently don't have the support to push for and win such an ambitious program.

00:13:55.720 Some people say that this is a Trojan horse, but it's not.

00:13:58.360 It's right there.

00:13:59.780 And he was only talking about single payer in that clip.

00:14:02.580 They're saying here they want to go well beyond that.

00:14:04.720 Of course that is.

00:14:05.520 Of course.

00:14:06.040 They wanted single payer.

00:14:07.040 Why did they want single payer?

00:14:08.280 They wanted single payer because they want.

00:14:10.860 They want NHS.

00:14:12.060 They want NHS here in America.

00:14:13.800 And of course, I don't think that's the end step either, but that's a whole other situation.

00:14:17.600 Again, social democratic reforms like Medicare for all are, in the eyes of the DSA, part

00:14:21.780 of the long, uneven process of building that support and eventually overthrowing capitalism.

00:14:27.400 Period.

00:14:27.980 These are not, I'm not making this up.

00:14:29.620 This is not, this is exactly.

00:14:30.880 I'd love to have her on.

00:14:31.960 This would be great because you know what?

00:14:32.900 She's honest.

00:14:33.380 She's honest.

00:14:34.020 I could talk to an honest socialist all day long.

00:14:37.100 I have absolutely no, I have no argument with an honest socialist.

00:14:42.940 I mean, I have lots of arguments with an honest socialist, but at least it's, at least

00:14:46.280 it's economic arguments, but I don't have any argument of, no, you're trying to twist

00:14:50.620 the word.

00:14:51.180 You're trying to, no, just be honest.

00:14:53.500 Make a good case.

00:14:55.160 At least then the conversation is worth something.

00:14:58.580 Right.

00:14:58.760 So much of the conversation you see on cable news is two people yelling at each other with

00:15:03.180 their little agendas and there's no attempt to get anywhere.

00:15:06.420 Right.

00:15:06.740 This is someone who actually is attempting to get somewhere.

00:15:09.100 I believe in the constitution and I'm willing to have the constitutional argument.

00:15:14.900 I'm willing to say the bill of rights.

00:15:17.280 I'm willing to take very unpopular positions and that is you got, we cannot regulate the

00:15:25.580 guns.

00:15:26.260 You can't, you can't because where do you stop?

00:15:30.240 You can't say, no, you can't put these blueprints out because once you put these, once you say

00:15:36.180 you can't publish this, what else can you not publish in America?

00:15:40.760 It's an absolute right.

00:15:42.920 Now that's not easy to sell.

00:15:44.500 That doesn't make you popular.

00:15:45.780 It's much easier to say, oh my gosh, well, that is just wrong.

00:15:49.740 It's not popular to say, hey, that guy was making a joke.

00:15:54.200 You may not like the joke, but he has a right to the joke.

00:15:58.040 And if you want him fired, that is the company's business.

00:16:02.220 They have a right to fire, but not because of a mob.

00:16:06.500 Okay.

00:16:07.040 That doesn't make you necessarily popular to say those things, but I'm willing to say them.

00:16:11.640 Here is a socialist who is willing to say, this is what we are.

00:16:17.760 This is our end goal.

00:16:20.020 This is why capitalism fails.

00:16:22.600 This is why we need to replace it.

00:16:24.740 And this is the way the world would look if we got our way.

00:16:28.700 Hey, I'm willing to tell you that if I had my way, drugs would be deregulated.

00:16:37.620 Not overnight.

00:16:39.560 Not overnight.

00:16:40.680 We're not a society prepared for that much freedom.

00:16:43.100 Meaning decriminalized?

00:16:44.600 Yeah, decriminalized.

00:16:45.360 And making them available for everybody.

00:16:46.660 Making them available.

00:16:47.060 Why are you regulating?

00:16:49.380 Why are you regulating?

00:16:50.300 Let people make their own decisions.

00:16:53.440 Now, the only way that happens is if we also reduce the state so the state isn't responsible for everybody who's on drugs.

00:17:02.760 That's not the state's jobs.

00:17:03.900 That's your job.

00:17:05.160 And it's your job as a community, your job as a church, your job as a human being to regulate yourself.

00:17:11.520 Well, you're not going to be able to get there right away.

00:17:13.540 That would take decades to reverse this trend.

00:17:18.240 Okay.

00:17:19.240 I'm willing to tell you what the end looks like for me.

00:17:23.700 Here's a socialist who's willing to do the same thing.

00:17:26.440 Apparently, I'd love to have her on the show.

00:17:29.700 Let's see if we can book her.

00:17:31.420 I like that.

00:17:31.860 Okay.

00:17:33.340 That's good.

00:17:33.980 I mean, I just, again, you want to at least have someone who's trying to tell you the truth.

00:17:38.460 I told you.

00:17:39.140 Don't you?

00:17:39.580 If you want to vote for somebody, don't vote for her.

00:17:42.020 Well, yeah, I'm kind of like that, kind of, but not really.

00:17:45.480 I mean, just tell me what you are and what you're not.

00:17:48.880 Stop lying.

00:17:50.560 All right.

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00:18:55.780 Do you hear about the theft of the crown jewels in Denmark?

00:19:03.720 I mean, this is almost like, oh, what's that?

00:19:08.780 What's the movie with the minis?

00:19:11.760 Do you remember?

00:19:12.040 Oh, Italian job.

00:19:13.100 It's almost like the Italian job.

00:19:14.740 So this group of people went and they stole the crown jewels in Denmark.

00:19:24.900 Two crowns, you know, an orb and the, you know, I don't know, staff of you're a dummy, I can hit you over the head, whatever that thing is called.

00:19:35.780 And they haven't found them yet.

00:19:38.320 And they're like, you are not going to be able to sell them.

00:19:42.560 There's a lot to this story.

00:19:43.920 I'll get into it in about a half an hour from now.

00:19:46.960 Stand by.

00:19:50.420 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:19:52.000 So I'm, I'm, I'm learning more.

00:19:56.740 I actually, I should say this.

00:19:58.640 I want to learn more about, you know, my behavior from watching the others.

00:20:05.260 And I suppose, I don't think so off the top of my head, but I, I hope that we never acted like CNN.

00:20:13.700 Do you think we ever did?

00:20:14.940 That we never, we were so blind we couldn't see, we couldn't see what we were doing as well.

00:20:21.080 I mean, when it comes to, right now, CNN is saying, oh my gosh, Donald Trump is causing so much violence.

00:20:28.880 Well, do you remember when CNN used to say that words on radio or on television, my one hour show, would cause violence?

00:20:38.520 Look at what they're doing.

00:20:40.660 They're drumming it into people's heads 24 seven, that this guy is a criminal and dangerous.

00:20:48.700 And there's a distinction there of a way we've talked about CNN in the past in which they, they obviously, I think lean left.

00:20:54.260 They always have, uh, at least to our tastes.

00:20:57.960 But right now, I don't think it's necessarily motivated by liberalism or progressivism.

00:21:02.920 No, it's just, they hate him.

00:21:05.280 Yeah.

00:21:05.460 They really just hate him.

00:21:07.420 Yeah.

00:21:07.680 And they can't, they don't like any of the things he says.

00:21:09.720 They don't like any of the things he does.

00:21:11.100 And like, you know, I don't love them all either.

00:21:12.840 But like, it seems to, to, to send them on this, this run of just out of control, um, hatred.

00:21:21.280 And when they, we've talked about this before, when they think they've got him on something, then they really lose it.

00:21:25.400 Double down.

00:21:25.800 It is double and triple down.

00:21:27.020 And then when it doesn't do anything.

00:21:28.860 They get more angry.

00:21:29.460 They get more angry.

00:21:30.220 I mean, they're just in this cycle where they're just going to snap.

00:21:33.520 Yeah.

00:21:33.680 I mean, like, yes, it's the people at the, you know, Jim Acosta got yelled at and people said, CNN sucks over and over again.

00:21:39.240 Can I tell you CNN, you know, do you know what people said about me in the streets?

00:21:43.300 Do you know what my life was like?

00:21:45.180 Because you and the people on the left were drumming all kinds of nonsense about me.

00:21:52.120 You're the same kind of, did you see what Cuomo was saying last night?

00:21:56.140 Cuomo did like a chalkboard.

00:21:58.100 Cuomo was saying that, what is it?

00:22:01.520 The, the, the letter Q?

00:22:03.460 Oh, yes.

00:22:04.440 17.

00:22:04.880 17.

00:22:05.680 That 17 is some sort of, you know, mystical number that talks and, and is, is shadow communicating.

00:22:13.300 Well, it's that, that Q conspiracy thing that's been going around, uh, the interwebs for a while.

00:22:18.360 Uh, and, and to be fair, a lot of people at the rally were wearing shirts with it.

00:22:22.880 And I mean, it was seemingly a, a relatively popular item, uh, at the, at the rally.

00:22:28.860 What is the Q conspiracy?

00:22:30.700 I'm going to butcher this.

00:22:31.920 So if you're part of this and you love it, uh, forgive me.

00:22:35.480 But basically the idea is there is someone inside the government, high level security clearances whose code name is Q on the internet.

00:22:43.460 And he is, uh, he is battling behind the scenes, uh, to, uh, overturn the deep state on behalf of Donald Trump.

00:22:52.520 And he slowly leaks out little breadcrumbs to the, uh, audience that's following this, you know, anonymous user.

00:23:01.820 Um, and they are, they, uh, interpret what he says and build sort of conspiracy theories around it.

00:23:12.680 Oh, this sounds healthy.

00:23:13.540 Oh no, it's really healthy.

00:23:14.620 Like this is the one, I think we talked about this.

00:23:16.380 Roseanne, uh, is a believer apparently in this.

00:23:20.120 And it's a, it's a, you know, a situation where it started with him making a really innocuous comment in a speech, Trump, where he said, you know, this is the calm before the storm.

00:23:29.680 And that's like the, the genesis of this, that, that something is coming.

00:23:34.340 And honestly, what's really crazy about this is part of this conspiracy theory apparently is that Mueller is actually not investigating Trump.

00:23:43.760 He's not a bad guy as you'd think most Trump people would say these days.

00:23:48.000 Um, because you know, Trump has been saying it for a while.

00:23:50.560 He's actually a good guy working in tandem with Trump under the guise of the investigation to overturn the deep state.

00:23:58.360 Holy cow.

00:23:58.720 So it's, uh, it's pretty involved.

00:24:00.340 So apparently he was, apparently, uh, Trump was communicating by using the number 17, uh, during one of his rallies by saying there were 17 people or 17 Democrats or something.

00:24:11.360 And that means 17 is these, I guess 17th, 17th letter in the alphabet is Q is Q.

00:24:16.460 Yeah.

00:24:16.760 And that was something he talked about on CNN.

00:24:19.060 Yeah.

00:24:19.820 Yeah.

00:24:20.660 Okay.

00:24:21.200 Proudly.

00:24:21.740 Mock the Q conspiracy theory all you want.

00:24:23.840 What is your conspiracy theory on that?

00:24:25.840 I mean, unless he comes, I mean, maybe who knows?

00:24:28.640 Trump might tweet.

00:24:29.300 Yes.

00:24:29.460 That's exactly what I meant.

00:24:30.300 It was the Q conspiracy theory.

00:24:31.600 Who knows?

00:24:32.260 But it's kind of, uh, you know, out there.

00:24:35.300 Yeah, I'd say so.

00:24:36.540 I'd say so.

00:24:37.220 Probably a little more out there than George Soros uses the open society to create a new world that, uh, you know, is borderless, uh, is much more socialistic.

00:24:51.000 I mean, I can show you the accounting of that.

00:24:54.460 Chris Cuomo, where, what, what do I, what am I supposed to do with, um, he said 17 and that's the 17th letter of the alphabet is Q.

00:25:04.980 What am I supposed to do with that?

00:25:06.040 Well, your conspiracy theories went farther than that.

00:25:07.960 For example, you said stuff like in the long run, democratic socialists want to end capitalism and social democratic reforms like Medicare for all, uh, are part of the long, uneven process of building that support and eventually overthrowing capitalism.

00:25:19.560 Well, yeah, okay, so that conspiracy, oh, wait, we just had a democratic socialist print in Vox, that very thing.

00:25:28.820 So, you know, uh.

00:25:30.240 I mean, like, think about this.

00:25:31.680 You, Glenn Beck goes on and does an interview today.

00:25:34.700 You go on CNN, you go on one of these news channels today.

00:25:38.560 And at some point during the interview, they're going to reference the fact that in 2009-ish, you said that you believed, uh, you asked the question,

00:25:49.240 is Barack Obama a racist, does he have a problem with white culture, which white culture being a quote from Barack Obama's book.

00:25:55.500 Um, but you asked that question and you get asked about it about every other interview.

00:25:59.180 Yeah.

00:25:59.460 Um, think about that.

00:26:01.300 That, that little meaningless throwaway comment, which, by the way, uh, we talked about much more in depth later on if you want to go back and listen to the archives.

00:26:09.740 But that throwaway comment on Fox and Friends as a guest gets you asked about it more than a decade or a whole decade later.

00:26:17.600 Still a focus of the media.

00:26:19.080 Today, we hear about Jim Acosta getting yelled, CNN sucks, um, by some people around him that didn't do anything else other than that.

00:26:28.400 They said, CNN sucks and they do believe it.

00:26:30.400 You know, they think CNN sucks, you know.

00:26:32.340 I think CNN sucks.

00:26:33.600 I don't, yeah, and I do a lot of times too.

00:26:35.340 I also, uh, wouldn't want to yell that at reporters who are doing their job.

00:26:40.420 No, no, me too.

00:26:40.580 It's not the way I, but I, but like, let's not overblow it for more than it was.

00:26:44.380 It was a bunch of people chanting at a rally one year ago, a democratic socialist supporter attempted to kill 10% of Republicans that were elected in the United States in Washington, D.C.

00:27:00.360 They were playing softball and a gunman came out and tried to kill all of them one year ago, not 10 years ago, one year ago, this occurred.

00:27:10.680 And it is tossed away as if it was just a little blip on the radar.

00:27:15.000 He tried to kill everyone.

00:27:17.620 He was a Bernie Sanders campaign, uh, volunteer and tried to kill everyone on the Republican side.

00:27:25.680 And we're supposed to get worked up over CNN sucks to a reporter.

00:27:31.500 That is insanity.

00:27:33.320 And of course, of course, they're not going to listen to you when you make points like that.

00:27:37.240 Of course they aren't.

00:27:38.640 Of course, they're not going to take you seriously.

00:27:42.280 I mean, I, that would last if, if God forbid anything happened like this on the other side, God forbid, we would never hear the end of it.

00:27:52.840 Never.

00:27:53.140 In 60 years, they would still be telling it and blaming it on us.

00:27:57.280 Yep.

00:27:57.480 And it's just, you know, I, I want to give the media the benefit of the doubt because some of the things that they do are, are good.

00:28:04.120 And there's some people at CNN and on these other organizations that do a good job.

00:28:07.740 Yes.

00:28:07.880 But man, it's frustrating as an organization to try to take something like that seriously when you treat the other side so absurdly.

00:28:16.360 When you are so focused on, on leaning one way, leaning forward, as MSNBC used to say, when you're looking that way, I mean, you can't be honest.

00:28:28.180 You can't be taken seriously by people that you continually belittle.

00:28:33.120 When we came to the Tea Party, it was, they were constantly being referenced as violent and angry people.

00:28:40.100 We were constantly told that our words mattered so much that in a campaign piece, Sarah Palin could not use, we're targeting this district because that would be a trigger, a silent trigger to people.

00:28:58.480 And how do you know who's listening to you when you say we're going to target?

00:29:03.420 That means we're going to target and we should get a gun and target.

00:29:07.360 No, no, that's not what it means.

00:29:09.400 And look at what you're doing.

00:29:11.980 Look at what you're doing.

00:29:13.440 You said that when we went out in the Washington Mall, that it would be violent, that it would be racist, that it would be hateful.

00:29:20.500 It was none of those things.

00:29:22.760 The left sent the Black Panthers into our crowd.

00:29:30.020 They sent Al Sharpton into our crowd to march.

00:29:35.680 And what did we do?

00:29:37.800 We loved them.

00:29:39.840 We loved them.

00:29:41.560 That's not what they wanted.

00:29:43.920 And you called us all kinds of names.

00:29:47.720 You, CNN, you are preparing this nation for a civil war.

00:29:52.760 You are tilling this ground every day.

00:29:58.620 There is more speculation on CNN day in, day out than I believe in my entire career.

00:30:09.600 Please do not talk to me about speculation.

00:30:12.980 Please do not talk to me about racism.

00:30:15.160 I said, the president, I think, I said, I think he's a racist.

00:30:26.440 And I immediately took that back.

00:30:28.840 No, that's not the right word.

00:30:30.200 But he has a problem with the white culture.

00:30:32.380 From his own book, he calls white culture.

00:30:36.300 Now, tell me, CNN, was that so wrong of me to ask?

00:30:42.660 Because what I was sensing at the time was something I had never felt before.

00:30:47.520 What I felt at that time was someone is coming against and trying to say that white people are bad.

00:30:54.980 White culture is bad.

00:30:57.040 The Western culture.

00:30:59.420 The Judeo-Christian culture.

00:31:01.920 The hierarchy that we have built.

00:31:04.040 Well, gee, CNN, it seems like that's exactly where we are now.

00:31:09.840 That white men are the problem.

00:31:12.740 Men are the problem.

00:31:14.360 That's what I was sensing.

00:31:17.280 I didn't know how to express it.

00:31:19.340 Now, you might be sensing something.

00:31:22.160 You are saying, well, I think all those people are racist.

00:31:25.580 No, that's not what they are.

00:31:29.760 Just like, just like Barack Obama wasn't a racist, but he had a problem with the culture.

00:31:37.160 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:31:38.640 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:31:39.940 Just say it.

00:31:41.780 So we know who you are.

00:31:43.480 So we can have a real conversation.

00:31:46.700 He had a problem with American culture.

00:31:50.240 He did.

00:31:51.940 All universities are teaching that.

00:31:55.340 It's not a secret anymore.

00:31:58.160 There's lots of people that have a problem with the white culture.

00:32:04.840 Now, what you're feeling.

00:32:07.220 Donald Trump is a racist.

00:32:09.100 No.

00:32:09.920 No, I don't believe he is.

00:32:11.900 And I don't believe the supporters of Barack Obama, of Donald Trump are racists.

00:32:16.660 I think that there might be some that are just like, I'm sure there were some Black Panthers that really liked Barack Obama.

00:32:24.580 There's a difference.

00:32:27.340 What you're sensing is people that say, my culture is okay.

00:32:35.340 And my culture is, is homogenous.

00:32:40.220 It is.

00:32:41.020 But it comes from everywhere.

00:32:43.140 And we melt into each other.

00:32:45.520 And we all, our differences make us stronger when they're added to the whole, e pluribus unum.

00:32:54.560 You want to get away from the unum and just leave us as pluribus.

00:33:00.360 As many, many don't create anything.

00:33:05.580 It's one that creates.

00:33:07.700 And you know it.

00:33:09.120 You know it.

00:33:11.220 Why are you so afraid of dividing the country?

00:33:15.040 Why are you so afraid?

00:33:16.200 Dividing the country.

00:33:17.040 They're dividing the country.

00:33:18.200 Of course.

00:33:19.760 Of course.

00:33:20.540 That means destruction.

00:33:22.100 That's why we got to concentrate on the unum.

00:33:26.800 But everything in our society has concentrated only on our differences.

00:33:32.300 And this is what happens when you only concentrate on differences.

00:33:36.740 And you start pointing fingers.

00:33:38.520 That group and that group and that group.

00:33:42.020 I'm part of the human race.

00:33:44.680 I'm a human.

00:33:46.640 I believe humans fail a lot.

00:33:49.880 I know enough about history to know that humans enslave people.

00:33:58.040 All different races have done it.

00:34:01.580 I also am a student of American history to know how bad we have been as a nation.

00:34:07.120 But I also know how great we can be when we come together.

00:34:11.860 And you don't do it the way you are doing it 24-7.

00:34:20.360 Don't you dare talk to me about my three-hour radio show and my one hour on Fox.

00:34:25.260 Don't you dare do it.

00:34:26.660 You do it 24-7.

00:34:31.800 And if there is bloodshed, I'm going to use your words.

00:34:35.580 You will be responsible for a lot of it.

00:34:57.640 Now watch that taken out of context.

00:34:59.540 More on that coming up in a minute.

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00:36:03.460 Glenn Beck.

00:36:04.840 I apologize for letting my anger get the best of me here.

00:36:09.740 We're better than this.

00:36:11.020 I need to be better than this.

00:36:13.060 You know, and CNN, I'm only using your standard.

00:36:17.000 I'm only using the media standard.

00:36:19.400 That's it.

00:36:19.780 You preached to us for eight years.

00:36:22.120 You don't understand why you're making the country mad at you, half of the country, because

00:36:27.280 you told us for eight years anything we say is dangerous and would cause violence and civil

00:36:35.000 war.

00:36:35.180 And look what you're doing today.

00:36:38.000 Use your own standard.

00:36:39.500 Not mine.

00:36:40.240 Yours.

00:36:41.200 Mercury.

00:36:43.920 Glenn Beck.

00:36:45.720 In the next five minutes, I'm going to tell you what is really going on in America.

00:36:49.120 In the next five minutes, you will understand, I believe, why there is a chance of a civil

00:36:56.840 war in America.

00:36:58.180 What is it that really divides us?

00:37:00.400 Is it race?

00:37:01.540 No.

00:37:02.480 It's a tool.

00:37:02.940 Is it income?

00:37:05.360 Nope.

00:37:05.660 It's a tool.

00:37:08.080 Is it left and right?

00:37:10.240 Nope.

00:37:10.680 What is it that is that people have been feeling and they just they can't stop themselves?

00:37:20.440 They cannot stop themselves.

00:37:22.280 And let me explain both sides.

00:37:24.700 But let me start with this example.

00:37:26.080 Right now, CNN is Jim Acosta, you know, was at a Trump rally and he tweeted just a sample

00:37:33.840 of the sad scene we faced at the Trump rally in Tampa.

00:37:36.860 I'm very worried, worried that the hostility whipped up by Trump and some of the conservative

00:37:41.640 media will result in someone getting hurt.

00:37:44.020 We shouldn't treat our fellow human beings this way.

00:37:47.300 The press is not the enemy.

00:37:48.460 Well, I'm a member of the press.

00:37:50.560 I would like to say, do you accept me as a member of the press and that I'm not an enemy

00:37:55.280 because I've been treated as an enemy?

00:37:57.240 In fact, everybody who was involved in the Tea Party was treated by the press as an enemy.

00:38:02.480 We were called revolutionaries, anti-government.

00:38:05.460 We were called dangerous.

00:38:06.900 So I guess, Jim, help me out.

00:38:10.340 Or do you just know what's right and wrong?

00:38:16.140 And that's the beginning of the problem.

00:38:18.480 Let me give you something else.

00:38:19.500 Now, this comes from Mark Caputo, who is a Republican, writes for Politico.

00:38:22.960 He apologized right away, but I just want you to hear because, and I'm using this as an

00:38:27.160 example, both of these tweets, we have to grow a thicker skin, grow a set, man.

00:38:32.480 Good God.

00:38:33.620 Are we this?

00:38:34.520 Are we this bored?

00:38:36.980 Do we not have other things going on in our life?

00:38:40.720 Get over it.

00:38:41.780 It's a tweet.

00:38:43.260 Okay.

00:38:44.320 But I'm using these as an example to illustrate my point.

00:38:48.200 He writes in favor of Jim Acosta.

00:38:52.480 And he says, if you put everybody's mouth together in this video, you'll get a full set

00:38:56.680 of teeth.

00:38:57.800 Okay.

00:38:58.640 So he's making fun of them.

00:39:00.380 All right.

00:39:01.300 Then the next tweet, he says, oh, no, I made fun.

00:39:04.540 I'm quoting.

00:39:05.020 I made fun of garbage people jeering at another person as they falsely accuse him of lying

00:39:12.380 and flipping him off.

00:39:14.020 Someone fetch a fainting couch.

00:39:16.320 Now, again, he's apologized for this.

00:39:18.900 He's taken it back.

00:39:20.080 He says it does no good to do this.

00:39:21.700 It's divisive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:23.700 But it illustrates my point.

00:39:32.820 What is the real divide?

00:39:35.200 The real divide in America is simply this.

00:39:38.640 There is a group of people who think that they are better than another group of people.

00:39:44.980 They're smarter.

00:39:46.360 They're more well-educated.

00:39:48.020 They're more stable.

00:39:50.020 They have all the answers.

00:39:52.660 And they should be in charge.

00:39:55.060 And everyone else is a moron.

00:39:58.080 Then there is another group of people.

00:40:01.040 And that group of people are tired of someone saying, I'm better than you.

00:40:11.020 Someone saying, you're stupid.

00:40:13.100 You don't get it.

00:40:14.080 I can't tell you the truth about this health care.

00:40:16.920 I'm just going to.

00:40:17.580 I'll do it by hook and by crook.

00:40:20.480 They're tired of being looked down on because they look differently, dress differently, live

00:40:26.700 a different lifestyle, go to church.

00:40:28.840 You don't go to church.

00:40:29.660 It doesn't matter.

00:40:30.940 It doesn't matter.

00:40:32.440 Whatever the reason is, because you live in Central Park West, because you're in the

00:40:38.220 media elite, because you went to the right schools, and you are surrounded by people who

00:40:43.980 think like you, you have decided you know best.

00:40:49.000 You're smarter.

00:40:50.160 You're better somehow.

00:40:54.700 Would any of you think about going in, live in these media centers?

00:40:59.260 Would any of you think about just moving into the center of a country and moving into

00:41:03.880 a red neighborhood?

00:41:06.040 Not because of politics.

00:41:07.520 Or is that trailer trash?

00:41:10.140 Garbage people.

00:41:12.380 That's what this is about.

00:41:14.080 And this goes down to progressivism.

00:41:20.500 Progressives have always thought we, the educated, those who have power in the media and in the

00:41:28.520 universities and in the government should look at the rest of the sheep and we know best.

00:41:35.040 That never works out well.

00:41:38.820 So this isn't really about, the anger is only coming from the two Americas and it has nothing

00:41:48.800 to do with money.

00:41:49.760 I'm out busting my ass, working at a 7-Eleven, trying to feed my family, and you somehow are

00:41:57.720 better?

00:41:59.140 You somehow or another know what will fix my life?

00:42:03.920 You can judge me?

00:42:05.860 For me, it's because the elite have such a dismissive view of people who aren't like

00:42:18.580 them, that they aren't listening.

00:42:23.580 They can't even begin to understand it and they don't care.

00:42:28.460 Those people are stupid.

00:42:30.020 They're garbage people.

00:42:30.840 I warn you, they're not garbage people and you're not garbage people.

00:42:38.580 We're all just people.

00:42:41.480 And we need to find a way to live together, side by side.

00:42:45.940 That's crazy, but our founders found a way to do that.

00:42:48.920 It's called the Bill of Rights.

00:42:52.200 And if we would just come back together and respect one another's individual choices and

00:42:59.440 individual life and celebrate that somebody else is different, perhaps we can avoid real

00:43:09.520 trouble in the future.

00:43:10.420 I want to break early.

00:43:19.580 We have Charles Cook coming on with us in just a second.

00:43:23.620 And he's going to talk to us a little bit about what's happening with democratic socialism.

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00:45:10.440 Charles C.W. Cook is the editor of National Review Online.

00:45:15.400 And he's written a really great article, The Unserious Face of an Unserious Movement.

00:45:20.960 And it's all about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:45:24.140 And I think he helps answer a question that at least I have, how does somebody go through

00:45:34.220 and have two degrees, one in foreign affairs and one in economics, and then not be able

00:45:41.160 to answer any of those questions as she is doing?

00:45:45.660 Welcome to the program, Charles.

00:45:46.880 How are you?

00:45:48.300 I'm doing well.

00:45:49.040 Thanks for having me.

00:45:49.880 Sure.

00:45:50.080 So tell me your thoughts on Cortez.

00:45:55.680 Well, I think we should separate out her from the movement she represents.

00:46:00.120 It seems to me undeniable that there is some energy in the Democratic Party behind what

00:46:06.460 they call democratic socialism.

00:46:08.200 Yes.

00:46:08.360 And this is certainly going to come to the fore in the 2020 Democratic primaries, even if

00:46:12.980 it's glossed over now, because there are so many seats in play, you can custom build

00:46:17.840 your candidate for your area.

00:46:19.220 You can't do that in a presidential election.

00:46:21.080 And as we saw in 2016, Bernie Sanders does represent a growing contingent.

00:46:27.540 On the left, that, of course, is a separate question from whether she is any good at her job.

00:46:33.560 And the answer to that is no, she's not.

00:46:38.680 Now, people have asked me, well, why do you care?

00:46:40.960 Why did you bother writing about it?

00:46:42.400 And the answer is because they care.

00:46:43.660 They're promoting her.

00:46:44.440 She's running up and down the country in different jurisdictions, jurisdictions in which she's

00:46:49.160 not running.

00:46:49.860 Kansas, for example, making the case for her ideology and endorsing and supporting candidates.

00:46:56.900 She has been chosen as a young face of a facet of our politics.

00:47:03.060 She's making videos with Bernie Sanders.

00:47:05.140 She's doing the rounds on the Sunday show.

00:47:06.980 She was on Firing Line.

00:47:08.520 She's being name-checked everywhere.

00:47:10.260 So it would be a bit ridiculous to ignore her.

00:47:13.300 And I hope that the public doesn't ignore her, because she's not actually a great saleswoman.

00:47:20.200 No, she's really not.

00:47:21.880 No, she's really not.

00:47:22.880 But, you know, there was a story that came out from Vox yesterday where a Democratic socialist

00:47:29.060 came out and said, look, here's who we are.

00:47:30.880 We are not FDR.

00:47:33.660 It's not who we are.

00:47:34.800 We believe in the end of capitalism.

00:47:37.560 So there are serious people who are Democratic socialists.

00:47:41.560 Are they?

00:47:42.260 Well, they're not necessarily serious.

00:47:44.460 There are certainly people who are Democratic socialists.

00:47:46.560 Why do you say they're not serious?

00:47:50.340 Well, I don't think that that is a serious position.

00:47:53.180 I don't see capitalism as sort of one tool within a toolbox that you can choose, that you

00:47:59.160 can latch on.

00:48:01.120 I don't agree with the contention that you can choose your economic system and you can

00:48:06.400 choose your political system and you can put it together like some sort of candy pick

00:48:13.360 and mix operation.

00:48:14.400 You can't.

00:48:15.080 If you want to have...

00:48:15.880 Wait, isn't that...

00:48:16.360 I know, I mean, I hate to point this out to a man who sounds like you with your accent,

00:48:20.840 but I believe that's what our founders did.

00:48:24.580 No, I don't think they did.

00:48:25.680 I think that you cannot have the American constitutional order without capitalism.

00:48:29.680 Because if you...

00:48:32.860 Oh, I...

00:48:33.260 I agree with you on that.

00:48:36.640 The argument...

00:48:37.800 I mean, they use the words quite deliberately, democratic socialism.

00:48:40.740 What they're trying to do is get over the initial objection, which is, look, socialism

00:48:44.580 tends to lead to an absence of democracy, an absence of political rights, an absence

00:48:48.700 of individual freedom, and so on and so forth.

00:48:50.940 But this time it'll be different because we're not talking about Stalin.

00:48:55.000 We're talking about Norway or what they think Norway is like.

00:48:58.120 Now, I don't want to suggest for a moment that these people want to put people in camps.

00:49:02.060 I really don't think that they do.

00:49:03.500 I also don't think that what they want is achievable.

00:49:06.140 In my view, capitalism...

00:49:08.260 I don't really like the word capitalism.

00:49:09.680 I would say free markets or an open society.

00:49:11.920 These things are a prerequisite to the sort of political order that we want to cherish

00:49:16.800 in America.

00:49:17.720 Because ultimately, you cannot have socialism without increasing government force over every

00:49:24.220 other aspect of human life.

00:49:25.560 I think that's what the grind is right now that people don't really understand.

00:49:31.080 And that is, we are not a constitutional republic, although we are still more of that.

00:49:36.780 We're not fully capitalist.

00:49:38.400 And we're not a socialist or, you know, communistic or fascistic state.

00:49:43.580 We're just a little of all of it.

00:49:46.380 And that doesn't work.

00:49:47.880 It just doesn't work.

00:49:49.060 You've got to choose one or the other.

00:49:50.960 Well, I think that's right.

00:49:54.180 I think that's right, yes.

00:49:55.660 And I'm a conservative and I am a fairly radical, classical liberal, I suppose.

00:50:04.360 You know, I think we've gone far too far.

00:50:06.600 I think that the New Deal didn't just damage the economy.

00:50:10.240 I think it damaged our politics and our institutions as well.

00:50:13.840 So I agree with you on that.

00:50:15.020 But look, this is somebody who is not even capable of defending the position that she is supposed to be advocating.

00:50:25.980 She exposed herself as somebody who does not have a strong grasp of economics or politics.

00:50:32.800 If you were part of the hierarchy of Boston University, wouldn't you want her to kind of sit down and keep quiet?

00:50:43.940 Because honestly, if this is the way someone is churned out from that university with a degree in both economics and foreign policy,

00:50:52.580 and she can't really articulate foreign policy and she can't articulate anything economically, what kind of education did she get?

00:51:04.460 This is a problem in the world.

00:51:07.860 It's startling how much we have turned to what I call credentialism.

00:51:13.340 You know, I often say this to people.

00:51:14.560 My dad left school at 15, served in the Air Force, and he started his own business.

00:51:18.860 And the way we look at human beings now is to assign him less value than me.

00:51:23.260 You know, I went to university.

00:51:24.720 But that's preposterous.

00:51:26.140 That's not how people learn.

00:51:27.460 It doesn't in any way indicate somebody's worth.

00:51:29.900 So it doesn't surprise me that she's ignorant.

00:51:33.580 What does surprise me is that she's willing to embarrass herself in the way that she is by starting sentences.

00:51:39.300 Well, you know, I'm one of the only people with an economics degree in the House.

00:51:42.720 It's also premature.

00:51:43.420 She's not in the House yet.

00:51:44.320 But even if she were, if you start a sentence by making available your credentials, you better damn well back it up.

00:51:53.060 She hasn't.

00:51:54.680 You go through a lot of the mistakes that she made, Charles, just in the first few interviews that she's done.

00:52:00.660 And they're dramatic.

00:52:01.820 I mean, the idea, you know, the one that I caught, you know, when she was saying it initially, the $700 billion increase in military budget.

00:52:08.380 I mean, someone, economics and foreign affairs, how you could not understand right on its face that that's not true, that that is the entire military budget and not just an increase in it.

00:52:20.220 These are the types of things that are, this is surface level information for anyone who would want to participate in this debate.

00:52:27.020 You know, I don't, again, I think credentialism is a great thing to talk about because we really do, we do this all the time.

00:52:34.580 We act as if just because you've got this, you know, this, this degree that you're, you're above the rest of society.

00:52:41.740 And, and, you know, we discussed this with Brian Kaplan before about how we, we now are just striving as a country to show off the pieces of paper that we have rather than actually acquiring knowledge.

00:52:54.280 That's exactly my view.

00:52:57.260 And, and it leads to a classism that I abhor.

00:53:01.300 And as you noted earlier, I'm not originally from the United States.

00:53:04.440 I'm from Britain, which has its own issues with class.

00:53:07.400 And they've got worse and worse and worse.

00:53:08.980 But unfortunately, I do see some of the, the same trends popping in here.

00:53:14.380 If you remember when Scott Walker was, was, was running for president, albeit briefly back in 2015, Howard Dean said on morning, uh, that he couldn't be president, shouldn't be president because he hadn't finished his degree.

00:53:27.820 Now, in what universe could you look at Scott Walker and say, the guy's a failure.

00:53:33.340 Why did it matter that he hadn't done his last credit?

00:53:36.480 It only matters if you judge people, um, in this peculiar, um, sort of credentialized manner.

00:53:43.320 Yeah. If I were a plumber or, uh, uh, an infantryman, uh, or a truck driver, um, I would have looked at that and thought, well, what are you saying?

00:53:53.220 Are you saying that I am a second class citizen?

00:53:55.720 Are you saying that I'm not good enough?

00:53:57.100 Are you saying, in fact, that, uh, America's, um, political institutions should be closed to me because I didn't go, uh, to the right monastery, uh, as a young man?

00:54:07.320 I think it's a big problem.

00:54:08.680 Um, and I, and I think she's probably, um, exposing that as well as anybody could.

00:54:12.740 I think that's, I mean, I just did a monologue, um, Charles on, on the real grind in America.

00:54:20.060 What's really, what's really irritating.

00:54:22.380 So many Americans is there are two groups of people, one that think they're better and they're smarter and they can make all the decisions.

00:54:29.820 And the others who are like, I'm not garbage people.

00:54:32.420 I mean, what do you, I don't feel that way about you.

00:54:35.060 Why are you looking down and trying to tell me I'm stupid or I'm less than, and I think we've lost the message of the Statue of Liberty.

00:54:44.220 I mean, the line of keep your storied pomp.

00:54:47.020 Um, that's why people came here because there were guilds you had to belong to.

00:54:53.060 You had to have the right title.

00:54:54.620 You had to be in the right family before you could do stuff.

00:54:56.940 But we've, we're recreating everything that we tried to get away from.

00:55:03.100 I think that's right.

00:55:04.200 And it's an odd paradox here because we quite like dropouts, but only people who go into fields and make a billion dollars.

00:55:11.740 We like the fact that Bill Gates is a dropout.

00:55:14.080 We like the fact Mark Zuckerberg is a dropout.

00:55:16.040 Tom Hanks is a dropout.

00:55:17.620 We still value that.

00:55:18.960 But if you drop out and you become a plumber and you make good money and you enjoy your work and you're very, very talented in your own field, ah, we put you in the other class, I think.

00:55:29.780 And I really, really don't understand why.

00:55:33.320 Charles, um, where, what are we headed for?

00:55:36.380 How much trouble are we headed for?

00:55:39.360 Well, I think that's the million dollar question.

00:55:41.580 Um, it is always the case that we need to refight the, the, the fights of the past because nothing is ever won.

00:55:51.100 Um, nobody learns the lessons forever.

00:55:53.380 We do seem to be in a period in which we've forgotten some of those hard fought lessons and, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and others demonstrate that.

00:56:02.960 Um, if, if we, if we don't relearn, um, then we, we're in serious trouble.

00:56:10.540 Um, but I, I'm hopeful that we will.

00:56:13.620 And, and I suppose I have to be given my job and what, what I do for a living.

00:56:17.880 I believe that we can, we can win because we are right.

00:56:20.540 And we're, we're more in touch with human nature and reality.

00:56:24.180 I think Charles, thank you very much.

00:56:26.180 Charles CW cook.

00:56:27.400 You can follow him at Charles CW cook with an E.

00:56:31.940 Thanks Charles.

00:56:35.760 There was a, there's a great, a few great articles in a national review.

00:56:40.540 Uh, but, uh, Jim Garrity, uh, has written one that, of course, of course, the headline just caught my eye.

00:56:46.520 The end is nigh.

00:56:47.780 Uh, and I mean, I, now I have to read it.

00:56:50.940 Uh, but I was, I was struck by this article on what he's thinking about on problems.

00:56:58.140 He's, he's thinking deeper than I'd say 90% of the deep thinkers, uh, in America that talk about politics, maybe 99%, uh, on some of the, some of the things that are coming our way and the solution, uh, for it.

00:57:15.300 Jim, how are you?

00:57:17.040 Glenn, it's good to, good to chat with you again.

00:57:19.060 So, uh, let, let's, let's go over the things that keep you up at night that were in this article.

00:57:25.300 Sure.

00:57:25.780 Uh, actually Tyler Cohen, uh, who writes for Bloomberg kind of wrote his, uh, his worries about American decline.

00:57:31.920 And he had a lot of the points that I think most people think about slowing economic growth, uh, addiction, uh, entitlements and globally dominant China and all that kind of stuff.

00:57:42.020 I mean, it was a perfectly fine list, but when I thought about what keeps you up at night, and oh, by the way, I hope everyone doesn't stay up at night and they're not, you know, having too much caffeine late in the day or anything like that.

00:57:52.040 Um, I, I realized that what worried me was kind of a different list, uh, and probably most notably in things that seem like good developments at the time.

00:58:00.680 Um, virtual reality and, and games and all the different ways that we can kind of immerse ourselves into something.

00:58:06.660 Um, and look, I, I say this is a guy who enjoys going to the movies and, and all this thing as much as the next guy.

00:58:12.920 Um, Glenn, I don't know if you've ever played the game Civilization, uh, but it's, I, I used to have one, a version of it a couple of years ago.

00:58:19.840 And it's the sort of thing where you sit down in the evening and say, oh, I'm going to play a video game.

00:58:23.320 And you look up, look up when you, at the clock and it's 3 a.m.

00:58:26.360 Right.

00:58:26.720 You know, that sense of you could lose yourself in this.

00:58:29.620 Fortnite.

00:58:29.940 You know, once we really get virtual reality going, once you can put on those goggles and feel like you're in a totally

00:58:36.660 different place, you know, uh, making out with a movie star, being a race car, all any of that kind of stuff.

00:58:44.360 How much, how many people get tempted to just lose themselves into a virtual world?

00:58:48.580 How many people would rather be in a virtual reality that is full of happiness and all kinds of good stuff

00:58:53.920 and not want to deal with what is admittedly a very, you know, very troubled reality, real world problems?

00:58:59.600 Um, I'm sorry, but when this becomes, yeah, sorry, go ahead.

00:59:02.020 No, I, I, I am, I was so pleased to see you write about this.

00:59:06.120 This is something that has been on my mind for almost a decade now.

00:59:10.000 And it is, uh, you just can't tell me human nature.

00:59:14.620 I mean, why, for instance, Japan, they're having a hard time because sex dolls, sex robots are

00:59:20.260 just going to zero population growth.

00:59:22.620 Now, uh, when that's actually good or when that's actually virtual reality at its, at its

00:59:28.400 apex, why would anyone date?

00:59:31.380 Why, why would any guy say, oh, I, yeah, I want to, I want to come home and have somebody

00:59:37.040 say, uh, oh, you know, you never talk to me.

00:59:40.080 You never do this.

00:59:41.200 You never take the garbage out.

00:59:43.320 I'm going to come home to a virtual reality woman who knows everything that I'm interested

00:59:49.000 in, makes my world wonderful.

00:59:50.780 And I mean, why would you ever leave that world?

00:59:53.880 Why would you ever leave?

00:59:55.280 Back in the late eighties, I remember comedian Dennis Miller doing a joke that said, man,

00:59:59.900 the day that technology allows you to make out with Claudia Schiffer, uh, it's going to

01:00:03.820 make crack look like Sanka.

01:00:05.620 It's true.

01:00:07.700 Once you have that opportunity, you know, like it's going to be a natural inclination.

01:00:12.420 You could argue that's probably part of what's fueling the opioid epidemic, right?

01:00:15.700 I mean, yes, life is going to have really tough problems and the question is, how do

01:00:19.680 you respond to them?

01:00:21.080 And it's kind of tough to begrudge someone for wanting that escape, whether it's drugs,

01:00:24.800 whether it's booze, whether it's a virtual reality.

01:00:26.720 But I look at this, the technology is going to greatly outpace our ability to have good

01:00:31.920 judgment with the technology.

01:00:34.120 And, uh, you know, that could be very big problem.

01:00:36.380 The other thing is that it kind of, I guess it was kind of a common theme that ran through

01:00:40.520 a lot of these.

01:00:41.380 I went through the usual concerns about terrorism.

01:00:43.320 Uh, I also worry about how terrorism will affect us, but I also noticed, Glenn, I think

01:00:48.860 this is really right in your wheelhouse.

01:00:50.640 You look over the last couple of years, you see homegrown ISIS wannabes, uh, the alt-right,

01:00:57.040 the nutjobs.

01:00:58.100 I use the term Charlottesville nutjobs, and I had a few readers say, no, no, Charlottesville

01:01:02.500 people are nice.

01:01:03.280 It's the nutjobs who came here last time.

01:01:05.820 Yes.

01:01:06.220 The nutjobs who came to Charlottesville, not the people of Charlottesville.

01:01:08.500 Right.

01:01:09.300 Uh, incels, which kind of ties into what you were saying about Japan, Columbiners, which

01:01:13.860 are these, you know, deeply troubled young people who kind of get obsessed with, you

01:01:17.160 know, and all of them that collect this list of grievances.

01:01:21.080 Life has not been fair to them.

01:01:22.680 Life has been, maybe it has, but they come to the conclusion that the only real way they

01:01:27.280 can deal with it is to lash out and usually through violence.

01:01:30.160 And I just think, man, you know, the world has never lacked angry young men and the internet

01:01:35.380 and the, the ability to kind of get sucked into this online culture that nurtures those

01:01:40.940 grievances.

01:01:41.640 Instead of saying, you know, hey, snap out of it, suck it up.

01:01:44.160 Your life is tough.

01:01:45.720 You can still do great things with your life.

01:01:47.420 Stop whining.

01:01:48.800 Instead, you get this message of, oh no, you're right.

01:01:51.460 They're out to get you.

01:01:52.700 You know, they are holding you down.

01:01:54.500 None of your problems in life are your fault.

01:01:57.080 You don't even have to go to, you don't even have to go to the nutjobs.

01:01:59.500 Look how outraged we are at tweets, at tweets, we go apoplectic.

01:02:06.200 Yeah.

01:02:07.340 And it's just this nagging, you know, I, I, I was thinking about the, uh, I'm sure you're

01:02:12.920 probably discussing your program permit, Patty, the crazy woman out there who called 9-1-1

01:02:18.320 because there was a child selling, uh, uh, water on the street without a permit.

01:02:23.240 Yes.

01:02:23.640 I don't, you'd see, we get a lot of these stories of people calling 9-1-1 over really mundane

01:02:29.100 problems that you, you figure most grown adults could work out.

01:02:32.720 You know, uh, the, the, the case in Maryland where they, uh, the, the kids who were unattended

01:02:37.540 and somebody called 9-1-1 over them, we've really turned into this quality of, perhaps

01:02:41.900 increasingly paranoid sense of, of regarding our fellow, uh, citizens with suspicion, seeing

01:02:47.580 them as threats.

01:02:48.280 Stranger danger, as we taught our kids and all of a sudden we treat, you know, kids end

01:02:52.680 up with like a ton of, uh, uh, emotional issues and wariness around strangers and stuff.

01:02:57.380 You know, what happens when that happens after God forbid, like another 9-11 style terror attack,

01:03:01.760 right?

01:03:01.960 I mean, or, you know, God forbid chemical, nuclear, biological, I mean, that kind of stuff.

01:03:06.080 I do worry the sense of like people just, the American people might lose their traditional,

01:03:10.960 if not, um, friendliness to strangers, then even let's just say cordialness to strangers.

01:03:16.840 That's when we change.

01:03:18.440 That's, that's when we permanently change.

01:03:20.500 The thing that has always been different is, I mean, Einstein, one of his letters on American,

01:03:26.800 uh, on America and why it was different was because the Americans were always looking forward.

01:03:32.700 They were always looking for the best.

01:03:34.540 They, they accepted the stranger and brought them in and they were warm to them.

01:03:40.620 That that's unique to America.

01:03:43.420 Yeah.

01:03:43.900 And it's one of those things where, um, we, you see the coarsening of our culture,

01:03:48.340 the deepening of our divisions and things like that.

01:03:50.520 And then you kind of wonder what, you know, this, this is a bad situation.

01:03:53.520 And Glenn, I'm writing a piece on, uh, what's going right in the country, uh,

01:03:57.760 the optimistic counterbalance to yesterday's column.

01:04:00.500 This is actually all things considered pretty good times.

01:04:03.120 I don't know that rates fairly low.

01:04:04.680 Um, crime rate is low, but historically speaking, teen pregnancy, abortion rates, uh,

01:04:11.300 almost every measurement you do, we're actually in pretty good times right now.

01:04:14.940 And maybe it doesn't always feel that way.

01:04:16.200 Maybe you look at the news every day and you're like, uh, you know, what has he said today?

01:04:20.340 A sense of, of, you know, exhaustion and frustration, all that kind of stuff.

01:04:25.840 But let's take this current mood of the country and God forbid, there's another actual crisis,

01:04:30.860 you know, another hurricane Katrina, another nine 11, something like that.

01:04:35.120 How do we react?

01:04:36.260 Do we pull together or do we have, do our divisions kind of get the better of us?

01:04:39.320 Jim, do you think the, the, the idea that we actually are in pretty good times right now

01:04:42.860 is, is part of the reason why we are constantly overreacting to these little things like tweets.

01:04:49.800 We're kind of working on this premise here of Glenn's new book, uh, addicted to outrage.

01:04:53.620 And it does seem like part of the reason why we get so fired up and are so angry about such

01:04:58.520 nonsensical things is because times are good and we can't find real problems.

01:05:02.480 We're constantly searching for the outrage.

01:05:04.780 Yeah.

01:05:05.320 One of the points I made in the column, and I was thinking really chewing over back and forth

01:05:08.760 over the last couple of weeks.

01:05:10.440 So one of the lessons of my lifetime, um, is that, you know, the nine 11 teaches us that

01:05:15.180 a problem that seems very far away and isn't really something we have to worry about.

01:05:19.740 There's this nut jobs in a cave and they got funny names and they say they're declaring

01:05:24.520 war against the United States.

01:05:25.740 And what the heck are these going to do?

01:05:27.560 Uh, you know, they just, they're just a bunch of guys with box cutters.

01:05:30.020 And one day they changed the world.

01:05:31.820 And this sense of like this, this, you know, the nine 11 taught us this like really horrifying

01:05:36.020 lesson of something that you think you don't have to worry about can suddenly be the worst

01:05:41.040 thing in the whole wide world.

01:05:42.280 And so now I think there's a kind of, it taught, then you have, okay, well, fine.

01:05:45.960 Well, at least, at least Edron is safe.

01:05:47.820 At least my investment's there.

01:05:48.980 Uh, at least, at least I can trust the leaders of the Catholic church.

01:05:53.440 At least Bill Cosby is on my television to tit.

01:05:56.180 Right.

01:05:57.520 We've had the rug pulled out a lot of time and like that Lehman brothers, you know,

01:06:02.880 okay.

01:06:03.020 It's one big fancy bank on wall street.

01:06:05.100 If that's go down, if that goes down, what's the worst that could happen?

01:06:08.540 Um, so we've had enough experiences in the last, you know, two, three decades or so to

01:06:13.040 kind of make us a little bit paranoid that a small problem could turn into a big problem.

01:06:16.840 And sometimes a small problem is just a small problem.

01:06:19.500 Um, I don't think that every, you know, uh, course tweet has to turn into a federal case

01:06:25.860 or get someone fired or, um, you know, get the full Kevin Williamson treatment or something

01:06:30.340 like that.

01:06:31.020 But at the same time, there's this sense of, you know, you could understand us being a

01:06:35.340 little gun shy, um, when, you know, when you're being told about scandals from the likes

01:06:39.160 of Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose.

01:06:41.440 So we're talking to Jim Garrity, National, um, Review, uh, and he's got a,

01:06:46.840 a new article that's really, really good.

01:06:48.880 The end is nigh.

01:06:49.700 You should, you should read it.

01:06:50.680 You, the, the scariest thing you lay out some really frightening things.

01:06:53.860 Um, but the scariest thing is the last paragraph one in six American express approval of having

01:06:58.640 the army rule more than 40% of wealthy Americans support the idea of a strong leader who doesn't

01:07:04.900 have to bother with Congress or elections.

01:07:07.340 Half of Americans, only half of Americans know that the first amendment protects freedom

01:07:11.760 of speech.

01:07:12.440 Half of us are arguing about what the laws ought to be based upon the constitution.

01:07:17.580 And the other half of us are arguing what the laws ought to be based on how our gut feels

01:07:21.940 that day.

01:07:22.960 Um, our unum used to be the bill of rights and the declaration of independence that there

01:07:28.980 were certain things that we held, um, self-evident and they were unchangeable.

01:07:32.960 And that's what brought us together and made us a melting pot.

01:07:36.120 But we've destroyed that.

01:07:37.920 We don't know it.

01:07:39.140 We haven't, we've been, our, our, our education has been subverted, uh, and there is no civics

01:07:46.420 lessons anymore.

01:07:48.340 That's the real key to fixing this, isn't it, Jim?

01:07:51.460 I was going to say, I think that's a big chunk of the root of the problem.

01:07:55.020 Um, and people have been saying it for a while.

01:07:56.620 We all remember the Jay Leno segments where he would talk to people on the street and show

01:08:00.520 them a picture of the vice president and people have no idea who it is.

01:08:03.300 And then he would say, you know, he'd do some sort of, uh, you know, advertising jingle.

01:08:07.680 And of course they remember that perfectly.

01:08:09.640 Yeah.

01:08:09.900 Um, but again, I think those civics classes gave us a common frame of reference and that

01:08:15.560 sense of like, okay, so if I want to enact a change, I have to do it within the constitutional

01:08:19.940 framework.

01:08:20.500 I have a executive branch, a legislative branch, a judicial branch.

01:08:24.200 It's got, if I want to do this change, it's got to be consistent with the constitution.

01:08:27.820 I got to build a consensus.

01:08:29.180 I got to, you know, and all this kind of understanding of the rules.

01:08:32.000 And, and there's kind of this, you know, you saw this yearning and sad to say, and I

01:08:35.540 know you've talked about this a lot, Glenn, this is not a partisan problem.

01:08:39.380 There are plenty of people left, right, and center who just got to have this instinct of,

01:08:43.900 well, there ought to be a law and they don't even really want to think through the process

01:08:48.160 of, of, you know, how you'd get that law passed.

01:08:50.780 This, this, this, yeah.

01:08:52.440 This whole thing with the 3d printing is driven me out of my mind in the last couple of days.

01:08:57.440 We're talking, we're not even talking about the second amendment yet.

01:09:00.980 They're talking about a violation of the first amendment.

01:09:03.760 It's illegal.

01:09:05.360 You, it will be unlawful for you to knowingly publish fill in the blank.

01:09:10.980 I don't care what it is.

01:09:12.400 A recipe for smallpox.

01:09:14.400 You don't do that in America.

01:09:15.980 You don't say it's unlawful to publish anything.

01:09:18.780 I was going to say, I think the perfect, succinct comment on this came from the wonderful

01:09:23.660 satirical parody site, the Babylon Bee, who observed that after watching Americans handle

01:09:28.320 2d printers, there is absolutely no threat of America.

01:09:32.580 I saw that.

01:09:34.260 It's very funny.

01:09:34.900 What does that mean?

01:09:38.380 Jim Garrity from a national review.

01:09:40.540 Thank you so much, Jim.

01:09:42.080 Appreciate it.

01:09:42.760 Take care.

01:09:43.300 You bet.

01:09:43.860 You just got to love when you can get a, the end is nigh combined with office space

01:09:47.200 references when you can do that.

01:09:48.720 Yeah, that's very solid.

01:09:50.000 Good stuff.

01:09:51.020 All right.

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01:11:33.380 Glenn Beck.

01:11:37.380 Oh man.

01:11:40.420 Play the jingle here, Sarah.

01:11:42.760 Addicted to outrage.

01:11:45.360 Yes.

01:11:45.800 If you haven't had your daily hit of outrage, I'm about to give it to you.

01:11:48.880 And here's the good news.

01:11:51.060 Stu, what have you always wanted to do with your life?

01:11:53.160 My life?

01:11:53.880 I've always wanted to be judge, jury, and executioner of someone else's life.

01:11:57.000 Today is your day.

01:11:58.520 Yes.

01:11:58.900 If you can just become addicted to outrage.

01:12:04.040 So here's our new game today.

01:12:05.700 We have somebody, we have to decide, should she stay?

01:12:09.740 Should she be fired?

01:12:10.980 Should we burn her at the stake?

01:12:12.760 Ooh, I know what I'm going to pick.

01:12:14.100 Okay.

01:12:14.560 Now it's going to be a hard one because it's the New York times.

01:12:18.420 So you have to set your bias aside about how you feel about the New York times or hell,

01:12:24.360 just roll it all into one.

01:12:26.900 And so there is a, there's a new editorial writer for the New York times, and she's made

01:12:34.600 some, uh, some amazing comments on Twitter, uh, dumb ass effing white people marking up

01:12:43.080 the inner, uh, marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants.

01:12:48.680 Oh man, it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men.

01:12:54.840 Uh, as white people, are you genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically only

01:13:02.920 being able to live underground like groveling goblins?

01:13:06.680 Well, yes, that one, the last one is true.

01:13:09.340 Uh, she's got a lot of them.

01:13:11.140 Okay.

01:13:11.320 We're going to, we're going to spin the wheel and we're going to decide her fate.

01:13:16.100 What happens?

01:13:17.780 Addicted to outrage.

01:13:20.580 Beck.

01:13:21.660 Mercury.

01:13:24.420 Glenn Beck.

01:13:25.860 Everybody listen.

01:13:26.520 Shh.

01:13:26.800 Quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet.

01:13:28.060 Listen.

01:13:29.360 Can you hear it?

01:13:31.480 The people who are working on Italian Job 3, the writers of Mission Impossible going to,

01:13:35.880 you've got to be kidding me.

01:13:38.060 How come we didn't think of that?

01:13:38.960 That's brilliant.

01:13:40.500 The perfect heist.

01:13:42.260 It's theatrical.

01:13:43.920 It's historical.

01:13:45.640 It has crips and old, uh, royal jewels and jet skis.

01:13:51.320 This is the ultimate movie.

01:13:54.760 It happened in broad daylight, 14th century cathedral on a sunny day in Sweden.

01:14:01.820 Two men snuck into a cathedral.

01:14:04.460 Somehow, according to the Associated Press, the two men stole a gold crown and an

01:14:08.940 orb dating back to 1611.

01:14:11.860 They were made for a king, King Carl the ninth and his funeral jewel encrusted crown dating

01:14:18.640 back to 1625 that was used with, uh, Queen Christina's funeral.

01:14:23.220 So, they took the orb, the staff, and two crowns.

01:14:28.100 Now, well, let me just give you the rest of the story.

01:14:31.240 The items were on display at an exhibition, uh, and people were inside when all of this was just

01:14:38.660 taken.

01:14:39.980 Two men smashed the security glass protecting the artifacts.

01:14:43.260 Uh, the sirens went off.

01:14:45.740 They grabbed the treasure.

01:14:47.560 They went outside.

01:14:48.660 They hopped onto a couple of bicycles.

01:14:50.180 They, they, uh, they were weighed down by the, by the loot packed on the back, but they were in,

01:14:55.300 they were in custom made baskets for the bikes, um, and infant carriers.

01:15:02.400 Uh, then we're not really sure what happened.

01:15:05.180 Either way, they made it to a nearby dock and hopped onto some jet skis.

01:15:08.900 So, they, they made a heist of the stuff from the 14th century on jet skis.

01:15:14.560 I love this story.

01:15:15.640 I absolutely love this story.

01:15:18.440 Um, they haven't found them.

01:15:20.340 I mean, this is really despicable and it's horrible.

01:15:22.420 Or is it, is it, Stu?

01:15:24.140 I would like you to weigh in on this.

01:15:25.560 All right.

01:15:26.020 Okay.

01:15:28.260 It's, you know, 1600s.

01:15:30.760 You're a king.

01:15:31.720 Okay.

01:15:32.360 They make you a crown and then they put it in a, in a tomb with you.

01:15:37.200 And then they just took it out recently to show it to everybody.

01:15:41.520 It's been in a tomb for like, you know, three, 400 years.

01:15:46.060 I say these guys aren't at robbers as much as they are just the first archeologists.

01:15:53.300 Okay.

01:15:54.060 It's a, I mean, it's, so what's the difference between opening King Tut's tomb and taking

01:15:58.520 everything that they left there that, you know, he's going to take with him and this,

01:16:01.720 you weren't using it.

01:16:02.980 Well, and they're still, it's from someone who they stole it from, huh?

01:16:07.400 They stole it from somebody who already stole it.

01:16:10.080 Right.

01:16:10.480 I mean, they're ripping off a tomb.

01:16:12.720 Right.

01:16:13.180 Right.

01:16:13.460 I mean, they're dead.

01:16:14.500 What are they going to do with it?

01:16:15.400 What are you going to do with it?

01:16:16.400 What?

01:16:16.640 You're not going to take their shoes.

01:16:18.640 I mean, if you need shoes and somebody has been buried in shoes, what?

01:16:22.260 It's a waste of shoes.

01:16:23.620 I need the shoes.

01:16:24.600 Let me have the shoes.

01:16:25.520 You're in your door.

01:16:26.360 It just makes sure you're endorsing grave robbery.

01:16:28.160 I'm just, I'm just saying, well, after a while, I mean, not like shoes would probably

01:16:33.920 be bad.

01:16:35.000 Okay.

01:16:36.080 You open it up for some shoes would be bad and especially new.

01:16:39.400 How nice are the shoes?

01:16:40.920 Some shoes can be quite expensive.

01:16:43.280 Like if they were the Pope shoes, because those always are very fancy.

01:16:47.820 Pope shoes are fancy.

01:16:48.800 I know Pope hats are fancy.

01:16:51.280 Yeah.

01:16:51.720 The shoes are pretty fancy too.

01:16:52.960 And the only reason why I know that is because of a drunken, yeah, drunken mess I was one

01:16:58.700 Christmas Eve, you know, at the Vatican with the Pope and ended up with me standing on

01:17:06.980 a pew pointing at his shoes going, look at his shoes, man.

01:17:12.060 His shoes are fancy.

01:17:14.080 Wait, do we have a new story alert?

01:17:16.380 We should probably not dwell on that story.

01:17:18.240 No, I've never heard this.

01:17:19.820 I think we need to move on.

01:17:21.000 No.

01:17:21.240 We need to move on here.

01:17:22.960 Wait, is that his dream?

01:17:26.580 You know, that was a real story.

01:17:28.120 It's not a proud moment of my life, no.

01:17:31.760 It's Thursday, August 2nd.

01:17:33.860 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:17:35.700 But we can make it into a proud moment of your life right now.

01:17:38.360 No, I don't think you can.

01:17:39.260 It also involves talking nuns out of their tickets to Midnight Mass.

01:17:47.420 You know, I was 20, you know, maybe 25 and maybe 45.

01:17:53.940 No, no, no.

01:17:55.100 I was definitely in my 20s and it's not one of the prouder moments of my life.

01:18:00.300 And I was with a friend and I was with a friend and the story ends with a very terse phone call from his very Catholic father.

01:18:11.780 Oh, who was happening to watch Midnight Mass that year from Chicago.

01:18:19.620 And he called, he called his son and said, was that you and Glenn standing on the chair pointing at the Pope?

01:18:34.780 And all I remember was saying, what are you just talking about?

01:18:40.420 What are you just talking about?

01:18:42.140 It was very, it was...

01:18:43.520 How do we...

01:18:44.080 I don't want to hear anything else you're about to say.

01:18:46.220 No, we don't have to go on to other things, Stu.

01:18:48.500 We just have to go on to other things.

01:18:50.260 Don't act like this is a responsible broadcaster thing to do.

01:18:54.300 You just don't want to tell the story.

01:18:58.540 How have I never heard this story before?

01:19:01.260 I don't know.

01:19:02.340 I don't know.

01:19:03.060 It's, you know, it's not one of those that you pull out like, hey, I just won an award.

01:19:09.320 This is not one that you pull out of the bag.

01:19:14.420 So I was, you want to do this or do you want to go?

01:19:17.280 I mean, we have addicted to outrage to play.

01:19:19.420 We go, we can only do one.

01:19:21.540 What's it going to be?

01:19:22.440 You know, you're trying to get out of it.

01:19:24.400 I'm just saying.

01:19:25.540 I guess it's your personal story.

01:19:27.600 You make the decision.

01:19:28.600 I'll go either way.

01:19:30.320 I don't think there's a question here.

01:19:32.260 I want to know what happened to you at the Vatican on television.

01:19:35.820 Apparently, is there footage of this?

01:19:37.520 Probably at the Vatican archives.

01:19:39.620 Yeah.

01:19:40.660 Okay.

01:19:41.080 So it's, I don't know, the mid or late 80s.

01:19:44.420 And probably 1989, I think.

01:19:48.740 And I had gone over to do a USO thing, you know, on an aircraft carrier.

01:19:56.560 And then I decided to take a few weeks off and just, you know, just hang out in Italy and in Germany and just kind of, you know, do what 20 year olds do, I guess, you know, drink.

01:20:10.240 And so I stayed there.

01:20:14.840 And this is really the beginning, I think, of my alcoholism.

01:20:17.880 Because if you travel Europe, especially Italy alone, and you discover how good red wine is, they serve it by the bottle.

01:20:27.380 And so every meal is another bottle of red wine.

01:20:31.200 So my friend joins me in the last week, and it's Christmas week.

01:20:37.080 And he's very Catholic.

01:20:40.960 And so he says, you know, I really want to go to Christmas Eve mass.

01:20:47.220 And I said, well, I think you need a ticket for that.

01:20:49.660 And we don't have tickets.

01:20:50.480 And he's like, ah, crap.

01:20:51.980 So we spent, you know, all Christmas Eve, you know, just drinking.

01:20:57.420 And, you know, and just kind of going around and just being, you know, Christmas jovial Americans.

01:21:06.620 Okay.

01:21:06.980 Okay.

01:21:07.800 And so about nine o'clock, we're completely hammered.

01:21:16.200 And he says, you want to go?

01:21:19.620 You want to get in?

01:21:20.480 And I'm like.

01:21:21.640 To the mass.

01:21:22.660 We were in St. Peter's Square.

01:21:24.340 It's packed.

01:21:24.920 And I'm like, how are we going to get in?

01:21:26.760 He's like, I have an idea.

01:21:29.260 So he leaves.

01:21:30.420 About 20 minutes later, he comes back.

01:21:32.400 And he's like, I got them.

01:21:35.140 And I'm like, what do you mean?

01:21:36.260 I got two tickets.

01:21:38.400 It's like red on front.

01:21:41.400 And I said, how did you get two tickets?

01:21:42.900 And he said, I talked these two nuns out of their tickets.

01:21:47.220 I said, you what?

01:21:48.980 He said, no, I'm feeling bad now.

01:21:52.480 I'm hammered.

01:21:53.640 And I'm feeling bad.

01:21:54.920 I'm like, you shouldn't have talked to the nuns out of me.

01:21:57.080 He's like, oh, they come all the time.

01:21:58.840 They see the Pope all the time.

01:22:00.380 This is our one chance to see the Pope.

01:22:02.720 And I'm like, this is fantastic.

01:22:05.060 Are you sure the nuns are okay?

01:22:06.940 And he's like, absolutely, they're okay.

01:22:08.780 And I'm like, okay, because if they feel bad, I'll feel bad.

01:22:11.060 But if they don't feel bad, I'm going to see the Pope.

01:22:13.660 So we go in, and you wait, and you wait, and you wait, and you wait, and you sit, and there's nothing to do.

01:22:21.840 And you're like, this is really kind of slow.

01:22:25.160 And then the Pope comes in, and the music starts.

01:22:28.160 Everybody stands up, and it's very, usually very, very restrained.

01:22:34.640 I would think it would be restrained, yes.

01:22:38.140 But we decided we were, because we were about five or ten people away from the aisle.

01:22:45.240 And the Pope was coming, and we couldn't see past the people that were there.

01:22:50.480 So we got up.

01:22:51.740 You wanted to solve a problem.

01:22:52.880 Yeah, we got up on the little folding chairs.

01:22:55.740 Oh, no.

01:22:55.980 Yeah, and stood on the folding chairs, and he started saying, it's the Pope.

01:23:02.600 And I'm like, I can't believe it's the Pope.

01:23:05.500 Look, it's the Pope right there.

01:23:07.400 And he's like, this is incredible.

01:23:10.340 And I said, look at his shoes.

01:23:14.720 Even his shoes are Pope-ish.

01:23:17.300 Look at that.

01:23:19.500 It was.

01:23:21.080 Well, they were.

01:23:22.040 They were like, you know, I don't even know anymore.

01:23:25.280 But they were fancy shoes.

01:23:26.840 They were like, I don't know, red and either velvet or something.

01:23:31.400 And they had Pope signs or something on them.

01:23:34.340 I don't know.

01:23:35.060 But they were fancy shoes, apparently, because that's all I really remember was like, look at his shoes.

01:23:42.500 Were they blurry to your eye?

01:23:45.240 Was everything blurry to your eye at this point?

01:23:47.780 No.

01:23:47.980 For some reason, I can see all of it.

01:23:51.280 But unfortunately, not from my perspective.

01:23:56.060 Somehow or another, my memory is from like a bird's eye view.

01:24:00.560 It's like God gave me a little extra gift.

01:24:03.900 I'm going to make sure you see this the way I saw this.

01:24:08.060 Okay, so you've now stood on a chair and pointed at the Pope's feet.

01:24:15.380 And you think this is over at this point?

01:24:18.680 Did they kick you out?

01:24:19.860 Nothing happened?

01:24:21.000 No.

01:24:22.200 No, not exactly.

01:24:24.980 No.

01:24:25.700 I mean, I don't want to, you know.

01:24:28.520 Let's just say this.

01:24:30.080 Two days later, on the good side.

01:24:32.620 Two days later, we were flying home and we're walking down the streets of Rome.

01:24:41.500 And, you know, there's all these shops that priests shop at, you know, and they have the cassocks and all that stuff.

01:24:48.340 And, you know, we're flying coach.

01:24:49.900 And my friend is a really good con man.

01:24:55.220 And he said, you want to fly first class back?

01:24:59.260 And I said, how are we going to do that?

01:25:03.240 And he's like, I got an idea.

01:25:06.100 Come on with me.

01:25:07.800 Oh, no.

01:25:08.680 And so we get to this store where it's all the, you know, stuff for, you know, bishops and stuff.

01:25:17.780 And I, but to my credit, I said, no, this is going too far.

01:25:25.560 And so we didn't do it, although we, we.

01:25:29.420 He wanted to dress as a bishop to get moved up to first class.

01:25:32.420 Yeah.

01:25:32.700 Yeah.

01:25:33.220 Or just a couple of priests.

01:25:35.140 And I did.

01:25:36.280 I would.

01:25:36.720 We didn't do it.

01:25:38.820 That's good.

01:25:39.680 That's a good choice, Glenn.

01:25:41.360 That was a good choice.

01:25:43.620 And then we.

01:25:44.580 We.

01:25:44.880 We.

01:25:45.040 We.

01:25:45.440 I wish I could tell you that the story ended with us in coach all the way back home, but

01:25:56.500 it doesn't.

01:25:57.780 Oh, my God.

01:25:58.600 It doesn't end in in coach.

01:26:01.860 And I don't think we got on the plane and my friend had to go to the bathroom.

01:26:09.920 And as, you know, just about, you know, after the plane, you know, reaches altitude, I.

01:26:22.380 I hear an announcement that I am on my way home to get married to the love of my life,

01:26:31.840 who we hadn't seen each other forever and had found each other in a, in a very, you

01:26:38.020 know, a very heartwarming way.

01:26:40.080 And all the stewardesses just thought it was this the greatest story ever.

01:26:44.240 So please, everybody, just give a round of applause.

01:26:48.000 And I was asked to come up with my friend and have champagne in first class on the way

01:26:54.000 home.

01:26:55.060 Wow.

01:26:56.640 Congratulations.

01:26:57.380 Yes.

01:26:57.840 Yes.

01:26:58.380 Yes.

01:26:58.820 It was very, uh, that's what happens when you're one with a Pope.

01:27:02.860 That's what happens.

01:27:03.640 I don't think you were one with a Pope.

01:27:05.900 Holy.

01:27:06.960 Thank you.

01:27:07.740 Thank you for bringing that.

01:27:08.620 I have to find this footage.

01:27:09.980 If there's anyone at the Vatican listening, what year was this?

01:27:13.660 I think 1989, 1989.

01:27:16.460 If anyone has 1989 Christmas Eve mass and you'll see us, we were there.

01:27:22.440 We were there.

01:27:24.400 I have to find this footage now.

01:27:26.420 Okay.

01:27:26.640 I no longer have any other career goals.

01:27:28.340 All right.

01:27:29.500 I may not have a career.

01:27:30.980 Here we go.

01:27:31.620 American financing.

01:27:32.740 Owning a home has never been easier.

01:27:35.140 I told you in the past, I was not a good guy.

01:27:37.560 I mean, I've been very clear.

01:27:39.280 I think I've been very clear.

01:27:41.520 I've made some mistakes.

01:27:43.000 You have.

01:27:43.540 And this is one I can't believe I didn't know.

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01:29:01.100 Well, still, you just kind of blew this show all to hell.

01:29:03.940 It's the most important show we've done in years.

01:29:06.320 Somewhere.

01:29:07.160 I got Josh holding in California.

01:29:08.840 He's going to, he's got some important stuff.

01:29:10.400 We have a really important, you know, we have, we have, we have somebody to lynch as a mob

01:29:15.880 today.

01:29:16.780 I was interested in that.

01:29:18.280 I still am.

01:29:19.380 We have to do the lynch mob.

01:29:19.860 But I mean, I just want to make sure that we understand that somewhere out there exists

01:29:23.120 video of the 1989 or 1990 Vatican Christmas Eve mass in which you idiotically are standing

01:29:31.520 on a chair and pointing at the Pope.

01:29:32.920 I'm sure there's not video of that.

01:29:34.240 I looked up Pope shoes, by the way.

01:29:36.360 Do a Google search for Pope shoes.

01:29:38.420 Okay.

01:29:38.740 Okay.

01:29:38.980 Uh, so, uh, the, uh, the papal slippers are made of red velvet or silk and they are heavily

01:29:46.140 decorated in a gold braid with a gold cross in the middle, uh, chosen to, uh, reflect the

01:29:54.220 blood of Christ's own bloody feet as he was prodded and whipped and push, uh, push along

01:29:59.860 the, uh, via, uh, Dolorosa on his way to the crucifixion.

01:30:04.400 I don't think they really reflect Christ's bloody feet.

01:30:07.580 They're nice.

01:30:08.460 You know?

01:30:09.480 Uh, yes, they are red.

01:30:11.460 Um, and I just remember them being very impressed.

01:30:15.520 You know, I am sartorial in nature, so I'm not surprised.

01:30:20.260 Believe me, the shocking part of the story is not the fact that you looked at the dude's

01:30:24.320 shoes.

01:30:24.620 Like that seems very Glenn Beck esque.

01:30:27.380 The fact that you were on video, gone through this entire career in front of the media and

01:30:33.220 no one has been able to unlock video of you at the mass pointing at his shoes and drunkenly

01:30:40.140 yelling.

01:30:40.280 Well, see, as I was telling you this story just a few minutes ago, it really didn't occur

01:30:44.420 to me that you would be pushing for the look for that video.

01:30:48.760 It's interesting because I'm already coming up with a hashtag because I think this is something

01:30:51.820 that, that America can unite on.

01:30:55.280 You know, we talk about what can-

01:30:56.340 I suddenly have a really throbbing headache.

01:30:58.820 I'm not kidding.

01:30:59.360 Just suddenly, it's like right now, a gigantic throbbing headache has become-

01:31:03.740 Because there's a lot of researchers out there that uncover documents, videos, pictures.

01:31:10.720 I was making this whole thing up.

01:31:12.020 It didn't.

01:31:12.660 I mean-

01:31:12.780 Oh, I don't think that's true.

01:31:13.800 You know what?

01:31:14.100 We can figure that out, though.

01:31:15.100 We don't need to-

01:31:15.760 We don't need to take your word for it.

01:31:16.940 You know me.

01:31:17.080 I tell tall tales.

01:31:18.620 See, they have photos, too.

01:31:20.340 So we could probably find you on photos.

01:31:21.880 As you mentioned to me earlier, that you're about, what, a third?

01:31:26.360 I don't remember.

01:31:27.420 I don't recall.

01:31:28.480 On the left side, if you're looking from the back.

01:31:30.540 I do not recall.

01:31:32.280 And you said about nine or ten seats in, I think was the way you described it.

01:31:35.960 I was heavily intoxicated.

01:31:39.680 I thought you said it didn't happen.

01:31:40.880 I don't-

01:31:41.500 In my imagination, I was heavily intoxicated.

01:31:45.920 I'm willing to take your hashtag ideas to get this trending.

01:31:49.280 How do we find the 1989 or 19-

01:31:51.880 This is a long hashtag.

01:31:53.120 1989 or 1990 Christmas Eve mass video at the Vatican.

01:31:57.660 We need something, a catchy hashtag.

01:31:59.420 You know, it was even Pope John Paul.

01:32:01.360 I am so embarrassed.

01:32:02.440 It was Pope John Paul.

01:32:03.360 Oh, yeah.

01:32:04.240 I've seen pictures from the event.

01:32:06.400 Oh, boy.

01:32:06.880 From the mass.

01:32:08.000 And, I mean, it looks like the type of thing that you wouldn't want to stand up on a chair

01:32:11.760 and drunkenly pointed someone.

01:32:13.260 No, it wasn't.

01:32:14.060 No, it really wasn't.

01:32:15.080 I remember his father being very, very clear.

01:32:19.660 Please tell me that was not my son standing on a chair as the Pope came in.

01:32:28.960 That's when it all kind of went-

01:32:31.200 And we realized there were cameras there.

01:32:35.320 It's not good.

01:32:36.900 What have we done as a society in which this video-

01:32:40.440 Think about it.

01:32:40.880 We criticize journalists all the time.

01:32:42.660 How have they not uncovered this already?

01:32:44.080 How has a major journalistic organization not pulled up this video throughout this entire

01:32:52.320 run of you?

01:32:53.460 You know, you were a syndicated radio host 17 years ago.

01:32:57.360 Because until today, I apparently was very good at keeping this secret.

01:33:00.540 I don't even know how it came out now.

01:33:02.720 I don't know how we started down this.

01:33:04.600 But everyone, you should forget this.

01:33:07.480 These are things that did not happen.

01:33:09.940 And this is not the papal story you are looking for.

01:33:17.060 We have something very, very exciting.

01:33:19.880 Are you addicted to outrage?

01:33:22.260 Have you fed that addiction yet?

01:33:24.540 Because we have something that I think is going to really-

01:33:26.600 Just feed the fire of outrage.

01:33:30.680 Right?

01:33:31.780 Hit it, Sarah.

01:33:32.520 Addicted to outrage.

01:33:35.540 Yeah.

01:33:36.980 So I love being addicted to outrage.

01:33:39.800 It just doesn't get any better.

01:33:42.460 So, we haven't gotten somebody fired.

01:33:48.260 Or, you know what, Sarah?

01:33:49.580 We need torches or a bonfire or something.

01:33:53.560 Because we might want to burn a book, too.

01:33:54.860 Oh, good.

01:33:55.840 All right.

01:33:56.400 Thank you.

01:33:57.160 It's been moments since we've forced someone out of their job for something they tweeted or whatever.

01:34:02.680 Correct.

01:34:03.320 So now, I just don't know what to do here.

01:34:05.960 Okay?

01:34:07.140 Sarah Geong, she is now on the Times editorial board, the New York Times.

01:34:12.820 Okay?

01:34:13.860 And she apparently might be joking.

01:34:18.980 Might be totally serious.

01:34:20.460 I don't know.

01:34:20.900 The fire is getting a little-

01:34:22.680 Can we throw-

01:34:23.600 Yeah, thank you.

01:34:24.300 Thank you.

01:34:25.740 We need-

01:34:26.060 I mean, it's got to be roaring a little bit-

01:34:27.480 A little closer to the-

01:34:28.760 There we go.

01:34:29.660 Because we're talking about-

01:34:31.300 You know, we're talking about a mob.

01:34:34.780 Fire needs to be pretty big.

01:34:36.540 Okay.

01:34:37.520 So, she's tweeted,

01:34:41.400 Dumb AF-ing white people.

01:34:44.220 Marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants.

01:34:48.480 Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun,

01:34:52.220 thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins.

01:34:57.200 Uh, she's tweeted,

01:34:58.280 Hashtag cancel white people.

01:35:01.040 Uh, she says, uh, white people have stopped breeding.

01:35:06.380 You'll all go extinct soon.

01:35:08.380 This was my plan all along.

01:35:10.720 Uh, she tweeted,

01:35:12.000 I just realized why-

01:35:13.440 Please throw some more books on the fire.

01:35:16.120 Sarah, please.

01:35:16.840 Thank you.

01:35:18.080 I just realized why I can't stand watching Breaking Bad or Battlestar Galactica.

01:35:22.580 The premise of both is just white people being miserable.

01:35:26.120 Uh, white men are BS.

01:35:28.420 No one cares about white-

01:35:29.820 Uh, no one cares about women.

01:35:31.300 And you can't threaten anyone on the internet except cops.

01:35:34.180 Uh, no wait.

01:35:36.460 You-

01:35:36.660 You can threaten anyone on the internet except cops.

01:35:40.380 Uh, let's see.

01:35:41.960 Oh man, it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men.

01:35:46.100 Okay, so these are her tweets.

01:35:48.440 Now, if you were to-

01:35:49.680 One way to tell if it's racist or not is always to just change the color.

01:35:53.500 Can you imagine some of those with the word black instead of white?

01:35:56.520 No.

01:35:56.860 And what would happen to someone who tweeted that?

01:35:59.960 Pat, do you have another book?

01:36:01.000 Throw on the fire, please.

01:36:01.740 All right.

01:36:02.000 Just throw it.

01:36:02.460 What'd you, uh, what'd you throw into the, uh, uh, your latest book?

01:36:09.480 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:36:09.880 I have a galley of a digit outreach.

01:36:11.500 I got a galley.

01:36:12.280 No, no, no, no.

01:36:12.700 Those apps.

01:36:13.660 No, I don't think you understand how this works.

01:36:15.180 It's pretty long.

01:36:15.780 It's like 468 pages, I think.

01:36:17.720 So it's gonna burn for a while.

01:36:18.780 Yeah.

01:36:19.000 Okay.

01:36:19.280 It's gonna burn for a while.

01:36:20.180 Whoa.

01:36:21.060 Whoa.

01:36:21.640 Okay.

01:36:22.220 Uh, all right.

01:36:22.840 There goes common sense.

01:36:24.060 I just need to know.

01:36:25.280 Wait a minute.

01:36:26.000 No, you're not supposed to burn my books.

01:36:27.940 You're supposed to be burned books that disagree with what we believe in.

01:36:31.780 Oh, okay.

01:36:32.600 All right.

01:36:32.860 Here's an inconvenient book.

01:36:33.920 Here it goes.

01:36:35.100 An inconvenient book.

01:36:36.940 Again, it's my book.

01:36:38.700 All right.

01:36:38.880 Oh, liars.

01:36:39.720 So arguing with video.

01:36:41.100 All right.

01:36:41.540 All right.

01:36:41.920 Enough with the books.

01:36:43.640 Blow the fire out.

01:36:45.560 All right.

01:36:46.240 Now, here's the thing.

01:36:48.360 I don't know if we're supposed to be a mob and get her fired today.

01:36:55.940 If we're supposed to.

01:36:56.880 Do we know what she does?

01:36:57.940 What does she do?

01:36:58.480 She's on the editorial board of the New York Times.

01:37:00.280 Oh, my gosh.

01:37:01.240 Yeah.

01:37:02.140 So we don't know if we should get her fired.

01:37:04.260 We don't know if we should just start taking things out of context and calling her horrible

01:37:08.680 names.

01:37:09.280 Some would say stupid tweet.

01:37:14.380 The New York Times, you know, they knew what they were doing when they hired her.

01:37:17.740 That's who the New York Times is.

01:37:19.040 And you just move on with your life.

01:37:21.120 You know, but I don't really like that one.

01:37:23.120 I don't either.

01:37:23.920 Yeah.

01:37:24.140 It doesn't make me feel good.

01:37:25.860 No, it doesn't.

01:37:27.000 Not at all.

01:37:27.540 You know, it'd make me feel good is she got fired and we burned her at the stake.

01:37:32.720 At the stake?

01:37:33.540 Yeah.

01:37:33.680 Do we have to use my books?

01:37:35.620 No, we don't have to.

01:37:36.540 No, I think we do.

01:37:37.240 I think we do.

01:37:38.440 Okay.

01:37:38.760 I think we should.

01:37:39.560 All right.

01:37:39.760 Stu says we have to, so I'm with him.

01:37:42.040 There we go.

01:37:42.580 We didn't need to start it.

01:37:43.560 We don't even know where she lives or anything.

01:37:45.600 I have a lot of these books.

01:37:47.020 I just need to throw them in there.

01:37:48.000 Oh, wow.

01:37:48.780 Okay.

01:37:49.140 Because that was what made us feel good.

01:37:52.080 If we are addicted to outrage, truly, we have to feed that addiction.

01:37:55.500 Right.

01:37:56.060 We certainly can't overlook someone with terrible opinions and just move on with our lives.

01:38:00.660 We could.

01:38:01.220 I just, I'm throwing this out here.

01:38:02.700 We could just say, I got better things to do with my time.

01:38:06.220 I don't really care.

01:38:07.520 Of course, the New York Times has somebody like that writing for them.

01:38:10.920 And you know what we should do with that information?

01:38:12.700 Not read it.

01:38:14.260 Right.

01:38:14.840 Or maybe read it and make fun of it.

01:38:15.940 Right.

01:38:16.220 We could do that.

01:38:17.380 We could do that.

01:38:19.940 I'm just pitching for that.

01:38:21.000 I don't feel good enough doing that.

01:38:22.000 You don't feel good enough.

01:38:23.060 I don't feel good enough.

01:38:24.260 Mm-mm.

01:38:24.800 I guess there's no visceral release.

01:38:26.680 Right.

01:38:26.980 You know, we have no.

01:38:27.860 Right.

01:38:28.240 But don't you think it would be better if we all just kind of were like, eh, so she's,

01:38:33.860 you know, a dumb racist that's writing for the Times.

01:38:38.440 I'm glad I have this information.

01:38:39.900 I'll know to avoid all of her rantings.

01:38:44.300 I know if I see her name on an opinion, I'll know, well, this is coming from a racist.

01:38:49.140 So I just won't read it.

01:38:51.800 I don't know.

01:38:52.300 It doesn't seem right.

01:38:53.200 It doesn't work.

01:38:53.320 It doesn't seem right.

01:38:54.440 No, let's go the other way.

01:38:55.680 Let's go the other way.

01:38:56.600 I am really trying to, I'm, I'm, I'm, what's her name again?

01:39:01.140 Well, it doesn't matter.

01:39:02.420 Whatever her name is, she needs to burn at the stake.

01:39:05.000 And I'm, I mean, you're pitching for you, but.

01:39:08.640 Well, it's like, uh, we were talking to Kevin Williamson this week.

01:39:11.100 He was in, and he did his first interview, uh, by the way, uh, since he was fired from

01:39:14.760 the Atlantic, right?

01:39:15.280 I think it was his first one where he really talked about it in depth.

01:39:17.940 First interview at all.

01:39:19.300 Before they hired him.

01:39:20.440 Apparently not.

01:39:21.120 Did they know who he was?

01:39:21.380 He said he taught it because I did the first interview with him this week since he left

01:39:25.800 the Atlantic.

01:39:26.360 Yeah.

01:39:26.680 And so this is the first time he's talked about it.

01:39:28.500 And, uh, he, I, that was one of the first questions I asked, did they know?

01:39:32.160 And he's like, oh yeah.

01:39:33.400 He said, I even warned them.

01:39:34.960 I said, they're going to take stuff out of context and they're going to go crazy.

01:39:38.440 And he's like, nah, we're the Atlantic.

01:39:40.320 It's not going to happen.

01:39:41.520 And then it happened.

01:39:42.700 Yeah.

01:39:43.080 And we would have like a, you know, what a week later or 11 days.

01:39:45.800 No, he was, he was a three days in.

01:39:48.080 Yeah.

01:39:48.460 Wasn't he fired before he wrote his first thing for him?

01:39:50.480 I think he wrote one thing.

01:39:51.540 Did he write?

01:39:52.000 Yeah.

01:39:52.220 I won something for about Roseanne was the only thing he actually got out.

01:39:56.040 But as he said in, as you were talking to him, you know, they, the, the outrage mob

01:40:02.220 got what they wanted.

01:40:03.640 And instead they'll have to read what I write at another venue instead of the one, instead

01:40:07.940 of the Atlantic.

01:40:08.400 Like what, what did they even get?

01:40:11.060 You know, it's not like the old days where maybe you could shame someone out of the New

01:40:14.380 York times and then they'd be nowhere and have no career.

01:40:17.220 Like this person, if you shame them out of the New York times, it's just going to go somewhere

01:40:20.700 else and write the same stuff somewhere else.

01:40:22.540 No, hang on.

01:40:23.280 Do you let the fire go out?

01:40:25.020 Oh, yeah.

01:40:26.520 There's a copy of the agenda 21.

01:40:28.680 Hold on.

01:40:28.880 Let me show it in there.

01:40:29.660 Don't look at that.

01:40:31.720 Again.

01:40:32.320 I mean, it's not going to happen, you know, if we burn her at the state.

01:40:38.140 Seems like your Christmas sweater needs to go on there.

01:40:40.220 Wait, that's the real one, too.

01:40:43.600 That's the one my mom made for me.

01:40:45.420 Yeah.

01:40:46.000 Not even the book.

01:40:50.220 This is fun.

01:40:51.040 I like this game.

01:40:51.760 Don't you?

01:40:52.040 Yeah.

01:40:52.500 It's great.

01:40:53.220 Who else?

01:40:53.860 Who else?

01:40:54.240 Is there anything else we can burn at the stake or any books we can burn or ban or anything

01:40:58.520 else?

01:40:59.640 Oh, there's got to be.

01:41:00.540 There's got to be.

01:41:01.340 We could burn Jim Acosta at the stake.

01:41:03.520 Oh, let's do that.

01:41:04.740 Let's do that.

01:41:05.500 He sucks.

01:41:06.180 Oh, don't stop.

01:41:08.900 Blow the.

01:41:10.420 Do not.

01:41:12.300 That will cause violence.

01:41:15.020 Somebody sucks.

01:41:15.880 Right.

01:41:16.060 That's true.

01:41:16.620 Not.

01:41:17.180 I worry.

01:41:18.300 I worry about people's safety when you say things like that.

01:41:22.320 Go ahead, Sarah.

01:41:23.300 Start the fire again.

01:41:24.700 So now we can talk about burning them at the stake, but don't say they suck.

01:41:29.820 Stop.

01:41:30.540 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:41:31.560 I'd stop it.

01:41:32.360 Okay.

01:41:32.720 Okay.

01:41:33.620 We cannot.

01:41:34.240 I'm going to ask you to put your torch down.

01:41:36.880 If you use that kind of language again, go ahead, Sarah.

01:41:40.840 Thank you.

01:41:42.380 Life isn't worth living without the torch.

01:41:44.860 It's really not.

01:41:46.680 I think we're better as a nation.

01:41:49.900 With torches and pitchforks in our hands.

01:41:51.620 When we can execute people in a mob sort of way.

01:41:56.420 For very little reason.

01:41:58.920 Or none at all.

01:42:00.140 Yeah.

01:42:00.460 That's when it's fun.

01:42:01.480 Yeah.

01:42:01.840 That's when it's fun.

01:42:02.580 I got a, I got a, I found a really great, it's probably my favorite tweet.

01:42:07.900 I haven't, I haven't tweeted this out again or retweeted it.

01:42:11.580 I, I, I, I have to.

01:42:14.280 It's this, it's this, I got this.

01:42:16.640 And now it only had six likes.

01:42:18.220 Okay.

01:42:18.640 But, uh, it says a fitting end to fear mongering of Glenn Beck's manifesto of closed mindedness.

01:42:25.880 And it shows my book being burned.

01:42:30.020 But you're close minded.

01:42:33.020 But I'm close minded.

01:42:34.180 You're actually burning a book.

01:42:37.400 Oh my gosh.

01:42:38.360 And you are saying that I am close minded.

01:42:41.560 I, this is, I, I saw this the other day and I thought this is the best.

01:42:46.140 If this doesn't say it all.

01:42:48.460 It literally says a fitting end to fear mongering Glenn Beck's manifesto of closed mindedness.

01:42:53.300 And what is that?

01:42:54.180 That's, that's an inconvenient, inconvenient book, right?

01:42:57.240 And they're, and they're literally burning my book.

01:43:01.040 That is incredible.

01:43:02.460 I mean, we got to fight fascism.

01:43:05.000 Quick, get the torches.

01:43:11.000 Pat, what are you leading today?

01:43:12.320 What's, uh, what's the outrage du jour for you today?

01:43:16.000 Uh, well, I've, I've got some interesting stuff on, uh, Alex Jones again.

01:43:19.280 He, uh, claims that Barack Obama has sex with 10 dudes a day.

01:43:24.260 Stop the music.

01:43:25.060 Just the 10?

01:43:25.560 Stop the music.

01:43:26.300 Just 10.

01:43:26.860 I mean, it's not like it's a hundred.

01:43:28.860 I mean, this is a little Cialis commercial right here.

01:43:31.880 I mean, I don't know how, I mean, Barack, how old is Barack now?

01:43:35.180 He's like 58.

01:43:37.040 58?

01:43:37.440 10 times a day?

01:43:38.660 That's, I don't know what he's doing.

01:43:39.820 Whatever pill he's taking, that's impressive.

01:43:41.580 Right?

01:43:42.720 Right?

01:43:43.840 It's also, does he, does he have any evidence of that?

01:43:48.340 Well, he didn't, if he does, he didn't share any of it.

01:43:51.220 Has he used the 10th letter of the alphabet?

01:43:54.600 Like Donald Trump was using, you know, 17, which the 17th letter in the alphabet is Q.

01:44:01.000 Which means.

01:44:02.240 So what is the 10th?

01:44:03.380 A, B, C, D, A, N, F, G, H, I, J.

01:44:07.320 Has he used the J word?

01:44:08.760 Jobs.

01:44:09.360 Think about how many times he used the word jobs.

01:44:10.760 Oh my gosh.

01:44:11.480 I bet he has.

01:44:11.900 He was signaling 10 guys a day.

01:44:16.120 10 guys a day.

01:44:17.320 What?

01:44:19.500 Is this new or is this an old?

01:44:22.120 It's, it's certainly new to me.

01:44:24.060 I've never heard the claim before.

01:44:25.840 No, no, I meant from Alex Johnson.

01:44:27.760 I don't, I don't think he's.

01:44:28.800 No, I don't think I've heard that either.

01:44:30.020 No, this is new.

01:44:30.640 Yeah, I think this was yesterday.

01:44:32.020 Hmm.

01:44:33.040 So, well, so he's learning his lesson from all the lawsuits.

01:44:35.980 Yes.

01:44:36.360 Yes.

01:44:36.760 He's got it.

01:44:39.100 He's got it.

01:44:39.660 All right.

01:44:39.980 Thanks, Pat.

01:44:41.140 Pat will have all of the details and possibly pictures of the 10 dudes a day coming up in

01:44:49.780 just a few minutes.

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01:45:02.800 Um, you know, and we, we talked about, uh, gold and having gold as a, like a credit card

01:45:08.400 that you could keep and you could, you know, you could give to your, um, college age kids

01:45:12.740 or whatever.

01:45:13.240 If you were traveling, it would be able to get you, get you back, uh, home if there was

01:45:17.460 an emergency, but gold is so darn expensive now.

01:45:21.240 And if things really, really went crazy, you just, I mean, you couldn't break up, uh, you

01:45:27.540 know, a quarter ounce of gold.

01:45:28.720 It would be way too much.

01:45:29.860 You're going to need to deal in silver if things ever, you know, God forbid this ever

01:45:34.500 happens.

01:45:35.440 Um, and so we went to the Canadian Mint and the Canadian Mint has, uh, has made this, it's

01:45:41.500 a bar.

01:45:41.960 It's about the size of a credit card and you can take this and you can actually break it

01:45:47.080 up into smaller pieces.

01:45:50.460 Some of them are like chiclet sizes.

01:45:52.640 Uh, and there's, there's, uh, 10, one 20 ounce bars, five, one 10th ounce bars, and

01:45:59.680 four, one quarter ounce bars.

01:46:01.860 So let's just say everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

01:46:06.400 How are you going to barter?

01:46:08.840 Gold right now?

01:46:10.160 Uh, one of these bars, I don't even know how much they are, that they're, they're not

01:46:13.760 expensive.

01:46:14.220 Um, and you can keep it.

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01:46:58.000 Glenn Beck.

01:46:59.960 No, it's one of those things you'll, you'll forever, you'll be asked, where were you?

01:47:03.960 What were you thinking when you heard the first time that Apple was worth a trillion

01:47:09.420 dollars and you'll say, I don't know, I have no idea, but this is that moment.

01:47:14.640 This is that moment.

01:47:16.540 And it's a glorious one, isn't it?

01:47:18.460 Oh, it sure is.

01:47:19.800 Actually did cross a trillion dollars.

01:47:21.180 Now, of course, that's just a round number.

01:47:22.520 That means nothing, but it is mildly interesting.

01:47:26.120 By the time you have that moment in the future, when you say, where were you when Apple cost a

01:47:30.900 trillion dollars, you'll say to yourself, by the way, you still owe me that trillion

01:47:33.940 dollars for the lunch last week.

01:47:35.720 Right.

01:47:35.920 I mean, it's about how much that will feel like at that time.

01:47:38.700 But it is a pretty amazing thing when you think about it.

01:47:41.700 I mean, a trillion dollar market cap for a company, uh, that makes phones and cables that

01:47:48.120 are annoying.

01:47:49.380 And, uh, I...

01:47:51.120 Please don't, do not get me started.

01:47:52.720 No, aren't you the person, didn't you tell me one time that you weren't appreciative of

01:47:57.220 their cable length, was it?

01:47:59.340 Can you fill me in on the story there?

01:48:00.900 I cannot.

01:48:02.020 I want you to be...

01:48:02.880 You're doing a book, Addicted to Outrage, and I want to see you outraged at the cord that

01:48:09.380 brings the power, the electricity that powers your amazing zillion dollar cell phone.

01:48:15.160 I'm falling into this trap.

01:48:16.220 I've already fallen into one of your spider webs earlier today.

01:48:21.440 By the way, we have not yet uncovered the video of Glenn Beck in 1989 or 1990 at the

01:48:28.160 Vatican Christmas Eve mass, standing on a chair and pointing at the Pope's shoes.

01:48:33.940 Apparently this video does exist.

01:48:35.560 We're hearing rumors of some pictures, uh, from, uh, Michael Opelka, which I really want

01:48:41.140 to see.

01:48:41.860 There are some pretty exciting, uh, developments here.

01:48:44.800 I'm never going to be able to go to the Vatican again.

01:48:47.020 Last time I was at the Vatican, they allowed me to go up onto the scaffolding to where they

01:48:52.480 were, were they redoing, you know, Michelangelo's, okay?

01:48:55.800 I was up on the scaffolding.

01:48:57.160 And, uh, you know, when you're up there and you're that close, I mean, I'm standing right

01:49:03.100 there and, uh, they, you know, they, they, I, all I remember is somebody just saying, don't

01:49:12.660 touch it.

01:49:13.460 And, and I'm like, well, you shouldn't let me up on the scaffolding this close.

01:49:19.800 You touched, you touched the Michael.

01:49:22.580 Yeah, it was pretty cool.

01:49:24.000 It's pretty cool.

01:49:24.680 Have you ever touched it?

01:49:25.420 Do you know anyone who's ever touched the Michelangelo ceiling at the Vatican?

01:49:30.760 Me.

01:49:31.360 I have.

01:49:31.880 Well, Michelangelo, but other than that.

01:49:33.340 What did I say?

01:49:33.980 Well, you said, do you know anyone else?

01:49:35.740 Well, Michelangelo and the people with their snooty, you know, cotton swabs who were up

01:49:41.240 there too.

01:49:41.960 I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.

01:49:43.000 I don't have a cotton swab and a white jacket.

01:49:45.240 Don't change the subject.

01:49:46.340 This video exists.

01:49:47.360 We need to find it.

01:49:48.440 As a country, we can all unite to find this video and embarrass Glenn.

01:49:53.260 All right.

01:49:54.160 Okay.

01:49:54.360 Hey, today, uh, you're going to see some, uh, college professors, some, uh, uh, elementary

01:49:59.900 and high school teachers come to James's on the TV show tonight.

01:50:04.340 You don't want to miss this.

The Glenn Beck Program - August 02, 2018

'Media, You're Better Than This？'

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